Re: MZ-S problem

2002-03-25 Thread dave o'brien

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Mike wrote:

 First, thanks to everyone for their efforts.
 
 I've had every lens I own on the camera tonight and they
 all exhibit the same problem. When I move the aperture
 ring off the A setting it either says f64 or f76 

Hmmm, does the displayed aperture depend on the minimum aperture of the 
lens?  

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Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-23 Thread dave o'brien

On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Len Paris wrote:

 I appreciate the verve, enthusiasm, and good intentions with
 which you made that statement but 5 years ago was 1997 and
 computers were a lot more powerful than you give them credit for
 being.  Unless you have some good, recognized references for a
 statement like that, you shouldn't make it.

Five years ago, in 1997, a well specified computer would have been a
Pentium II 350 with 128MB of RAM, about 10Gb hard disk and a hardware
accelerated video card powering a 17 monitor.  

I know this, because I still have the well specified computer I bought in
1997 and I'm using it right now as a mail-server and web-server.

Now maybe his statement would have been true if he'd said ten years ago, 
when a powerful machine would've been a 486 with 32Mb.

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RE: PhotoExpo - so nothing new from Pentax?

2002-03-22 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Bruce Rubenstein wrote:

 To quote an old American baseball player, Deja-vue all over again! There were
 the same exact same posts here several years ago regarding the mythical MZ-1.
 Over the years I have come to the opinion that if Pentax's current products
 satisfy your needs, stay with them. If you need them to come out with something
 new, you will wind up in anticipation purgatory.

Since I first joined this list in about '98 or '99, there's been constant 
new flagship at next show predictions, almost always followed by did I 
say this show? I meant the next show cop-outs.

It's just a 'feature' of the PDML.

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RE: 67 Mania gaining foothold, victim needs help!

2002-03-21 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Malcolm Smith wrote:
 Thank you for this posting. I have been so unsure as to which MF Pentax to
 save up for, but I now think the 67II will suit me fine.
 
 I must say I am still quite shocked at the cost of them; as I will only be
 able to afford one lens to go with the body, I assume I should get the
 equivalent to a 50mm for an LX(?).

The standard lens for the 6x7 is the 105/2.4 - most second hand 6x7s have 
this attached.  It's got a nice feel and is easy to focus.  For wide 
angle, the 55/3.5 is the older model and probably cheaper then the f4.0.  
It's got an enormous front element, though.(100mm or so)  That's about 
28mm in 35mm terms. The 45 is about 22-ish in 35mm terms.
 
There's a 75 (about 35mm) which can usually be quite cheap.

I picked up a 6x7+105/2.5 for about HKD 4,000 a few years ago.  That's 
roughly GBP 400.  You may find a trip to HK pays for itself...

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Re: OT: What Do You See?

2002-03-19 Thread dave o'brien

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, William Robb wrote:
 What about keeping old software versions around that are not
 broken because you don't want to put up with crappy new software
 that is broken out of the box? I find it ludicrous that anyone
 would try to pass off that recent versions of software are
 better than older versions, when often the exact opposite is
 well documented.

In general, newer versions (maybe revisions is a better word) fix bugs in 
earlier versions.  If I have a problem with my existing version of Lynx, 
for example, it may be that going to a more recent version fixes that 
problem.

Of course, you're dead right that many 'new versions' are in fact 
rewritten completely and introduce as many bugs as they remove. 

Some software (like Excel, for example) hasn't really changed at all in 
about five years apart from some minor changes in appearance.

Some other software (Windows, for example) has changed drastically and not 
always for the better.  I remember the change from Win95 to Win98 and the 
drastic loss of stability.

However, if a feature is required but not present, or a particular feature
is broken (like CSS in NS 4.7x) then that problem is most definitely fixed
in the most recent versions which are Mozilla and Netscape 6.  That
problem is also fixed in Opera, Konqueror, Amaya, W3M, Galeon, K-Meleon,
and so on.  Even IE5+ is a better browser.  

Aside: K-Meleon is a very small download and is a web browser which is
very compliant with the most recent standards.  If you're stuck for space
or bandwidth, it's well worth a look.  http://www.kmeleon.org/ If you're
really stuck for power and space, then try lynx (http://lynx.browser.org)  
It doesn't require graphics, but does require Win32.

Should I only provide pictures on my website as .gifs because Netscape 1.x 
doesn't support anything .jpgs?

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Re: Contax Digital SLR

2002-03-19 Thread dave o'brien

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, William Robb wrote:
  And I would hope that request is refused. Attempts at rewriting
 history are pretty contemptable.
 William Robb

So if someone makes an honest mistake, he shouldn't be allowed to try and 
clean up the mess?

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RE: What will Pentax show at the Photo Expo?

2002-03-18 Thread dave o'brien

On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, Alan Chan wrote:

 Something like 100-109/2.8-3 will do.

An 80-200/2.8 without the power zoom would be good.  Hmmm, how about a 
77-150/2.0.  Make a nice portrait length.

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Re: Limited Lens Pool

2002-03-18 Thread dave o'brien

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Steve Larson wrote:

 I`ll guess a 21-43/3.8
 I roll of Supra 400 to the pot.

OK, I'll revise my earlier guess to a 77-143/2.0 with a prize of a cheesy 
postcard from Hong Kong. (Or maybe a roll of [checks freezer] Kodak Portra 
400BW.)

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RE: Call Pentax Demand A Digital SLR/K-Mount

2002-03-16 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Cyril MARION wrote:
 this is exactly what the e-film offers : to allow a replaceable CCD sensor
 into a standard SLR.

*sigh*e-film/imagek/silicon film again.  We ought to put this is the 
'welcome to PDML' email: It doesn't exist!  It's vapourware!  

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Re: Manual downloads from Pentax

2002-03-14 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

 If you are running IE6, 
 it has some settings that are a problem
 with Adobe Acrobat.
 Yes, more MS sabotage.  No doubt in my mind.
 It became evident with their last upgrade.

I se IE6 and Win2k and haven't noticed any problems apart from a 
quirkiness about accepting cookies.

Mind you, I recently installed Win98 to test some legacy software and the 
OS was about as stable as an upside down pyramid.  Awful, absolutely 
awful.  I immediately installed Win2k on that box and that's much, much 
better.

(I'm a Linux guy, unstable software really bugs me.)
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Re: My Morning With BH

2002-03-14 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Joseph Tainter wrote:
[...snip...]
 I'm anxious to see what actually arrives in the box.

This reminds me why I hate buying mail-order.

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Re: planning on photographing w/ IR this weekend?

2002-03-14 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Bill D. Casselberry wrote:
 David wrote:
  Make sure you load the film in the dark...and take it out in the dark. Get
  it processed as soon as you can. Keep it in the fridge until then.
 
   YES!  wait until night in a darkened room, if need be

Heck, I've loaded the stuff in broad daylight (and I'm talking noon in 
Macau, here) and had quite acceptable results.  There was a bit of obvious 
light-leakage though, although it's didn't bother me.  If you're a purist 
carry around a spare black t-shirt and use that as a changing bag.
  
   you will only need to concern yorself w/ this for close-in
   shots and/or wide apertures at modest distance. 
   tight apertures and distance basicly eliminate need for concern.

Yep, set your camera for f8+

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Re: Re[2]: A King is born

2002-03-14 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, David A. Mann wrote:

 Bruce Dayton wrote:
 
  I'm thinking that you name him FA King.  More subtle but easier to
  sell to the wife.  Maybe Fred Albano or something.  :)
 
  Alex, longhand for LX ;)
 
  I can't believe I'm suggesting this.

I think the poor lad will get the stuffing beaten out of him in school 
with some of these names.  Call him Fred sod off or I'll thump ya 
senseless King.  Should keep playground bullies at bay.

Oh, and congratulations!  Childbirth is a quite amazing experience, 
bringing up a child is even more amazing.  Treasure the early days when 
they can't move very quickly.

Then, learn about hyperfocal distance... *grin*

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RE: Still more wide-angle questions

2002-03-14 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Ah, but the special purpose cant be obtained with any
 less expensive lenses. I have the 15mm 3.5 SMCT and the
 contrast, sharpness, freedom from flare and distortion
 is incredible for such a wide lens. I think it's well worth
 the $750-900! Another reason I'm not giving up on 35mm
 just because I bought into the P67 system...

Pentax really needs a lens like the 15/3.5 for the 6x7.  It'd be a 
rectilinear 30/f4 or similar.

This is also why we need a device for mounting K-mount lenses on a 6x7. 
Yeah, I know you won't get the full image circle, but, with an optical 
element to ensure infinity focus is transferred, you'd get at the very 
least a 36x36 image, and probably more.  Anyone done any experiments with 
the *actual* image circles of some lenses?

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Re: flash for a MZ-5

2002-03-14 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Piet Smit wrote:
 I've already used a flash which was not made for pentax, but on auto setting it will 
flash, 
 and there is one shutter speed that I can set so it will also flash.
 
 If I buy a pentax flash or one made for a pentax camera will I be able to flash with 
all 
 shutter speeds? And can anyone suggest a flash?

The first thing to do with this kind of subject is to see if you really 
need a flash.  Set your camera to ISO 800 or ISO1600 and spot-meter on a 
face.  If you can get a reasonable meter reading (say  1/30) you're set.  
Use that film, get and use a monopod, and you'll get some good shots with 
natural light.  You'll see the throwee blurred and the thrower steady - 
looks great if you the one throwing!

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Re: (OT?) PDMLers in the Atlanta Area

2002-03-14 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, William Robb wrote:
 Thats spelt Canadian
 You silly Ameriquan, you.
 WW

That's ok - as the song goes:

he's from Georgia and he doesn't speak the language very well.
  -- Tom Lehrer

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Re: That EOS D60 on ebay

2002-03-13 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Mick Maguire wrote:

 Is now at a cool $14,153,000.12
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1338871855

Does ebay have a 'wasting our time and bandwidth' charge?

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Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread dave o'brien

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Pål Audun Jensen wrote:

If you really want a low impression of the photo.net readership, go read 
the article about his (philip greenspun's) Acura NSX.  I think it may be 
on philip.greenspun.com by now.

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Re: OT: Oh, I get it...

2002-03-11 Thread dave o'brien

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
 Yep, Chris ain't the only one who's brought his 67 to a party for 
 snapshots.

Snapshots, *ptui* My 6x7 gets used in darkened pubs.

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Re: AF speed

2002-03-11 Thread dave o'brien

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
 Perhaps Bruce can enlighten us about the details of his head to head 
 with the Z-1p and 28-105 vs. the Nikon body he used and Nikkor 28-105.

It's been my (albeit limited) experience with Nikons that they'll focus on 
something in the viewfinder with very little hunting.  Whether they focus 
on the right thing, I couldn't say - My Nikon using friend could produce 
equally sharp and well composed pictures with my MZ-5 as with his Nikons. 

I'd be far more inclined to blame different final results with user error 
than with camera error.

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Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread dave o'brien

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Pål Audun Jensen wrote:
 One example of this is that a rank amateur considering a Pentax MZ-5n 
 should buy a Nikon or a Canon because you can't rent a Pentax 600/4 in 
 Florida.
 It is of course of no consequence to this rational argument that 99,99% of 
 the worlds population have never been to Florida or that 99,99% of Pentax 
 users in Florida never considers renting a 600/4.

This is one of the more bizarre photo.net arguments.  You can't rent
Pentax gear.  So what?  I, personally, have never rented any camera gear
at all.  In the monumentally unlikely circumstances that I'd need to rent
a 600/4 lens for something, I'm sure I could rent the Nikon or Canon body
as easily as the lens.

Of course I could always buy one for my 6x7 and use it on my MX with the
6x7 adapter, which is not something you can say for Nikkor (or Canon)  
lenses.

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Re: Stereo Photography

2002-03-10 Thread dave o'brien

On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In general, stereophography works best over a fairly limited
 range of distances -- too far away and the effect is subtle
 enough that it may not be worthwhile.  But what if one moved the
 lenses farther apart than normal eye spacing?  

Aerial stereoscopic photography uses large spaces between the photos to 
give this sort of illusion.  It's ges since I did any work with them, but 
we used to use them for observing large scale geological formations, 
places to put dams, etc.

In this method, the plane moves at a constant velocity taking photos at a 
constant rate.  You need a special viewer to look at them, however.

They're very effective at conveying the illusion that you're 10,000 feet 
up.

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Re: 6x7 questions

2002-03-10 Thread dave o'brien

On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, William Kane wrote:
I'm trying to figure out the major differences between 67 and 645
 setups . . . the newest 645 has AF, but besides that I can't really tell
 any other differences.  Are the interchangable backs/viewfinder options
 the same?  Film types?

The film types are exactly the same as both types of camera use the same 
film type: 120 roll film.  The smaller format gives you more pictures per 
roll.

There are no interchangeable backs for the 6x7 - it's much more like 35mm 
in that respect.  (Other manufacturers systems may have interchangeable 
backs.

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RE: Tripod and head for super telephotos (WAS: Pentax 300mm A 2.8 questions )

2002-03-06 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Alan Abbott wrote:

 How powerful is that flash as well?
 Must be bloody good to illuminate what he is looking at with a 600mm!!!

I remember some thread on photo.net where some goof suggested illuminating 
a whole town with the built in f;lash on his camera...

But it's only for fill flash, it should be okay.

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Re: Just picked up a PZ-1 !

2002-03-06 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, tom wrote:

 On 6 Mar 2002 at 10:35, Joe Wilensky wrote:
 
  I stopped by my local camera shop this morning and found a PZ-1, with
  SMC-F 50/1.7 for $250. I offered $200 and got it. 
 
 Jeez, that's some deal. Congrats.

I've seen a lot of Z-1s and Z-1ps around here (hong kong) for that kind of 
money.  It's a heck of a lot of camera for the price.

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Re: Uh-Oh :^D

2002-03-01 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

 C'mon, Tom, I mean, yeah, they're not huge, but you can't HIDE a 67 on 
 your person, can you?

Sure you can - I'm just very happy to see y'all

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Re: Best portrait lens for Pentax DSLR?

2002-03-01 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 There is the SMC Pentax A 35~70/40 which can be purchased pretty
 reasonably 
 
 What does cracking good mean?  What characteristics do you look for in
 a portrait lens?

It means really rather good, don't you know

As for good portrait lenses, I'm personally rather partial to a 20-35 as a 
lens for getting a pic of people doing things   I doubt any non-full 
frame DSLR will satisfy me for that kind of portrait unless I go back and 
pay that extortionate amount for the 15/35

If Pentax get a reasonable budget DSLR going, they'll have done something 
no one else has  If anyone complains about it, ask to see any other DLSR 
to which you can attach either a 15/35 or an 800/40 or anything in 
between

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RE: Best portrait lens for Pentax DSLR?

2002-03-01 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Ed Mathews wrote:

 The problem with this is that there is no set standard of a multiplier
 that will be agreed upon and standard for any length of time  If there
 ever is a Pentax digital SLR, it might require a 15 X focal length, but
 it might not  And there's no telling what the next one after that would
 require  This is all temporary right now

It really doesn't matter  If Pentax get out an affordable DSLR with the 
promise of better coverage and higher resolution in later versions it'll 
still be a coup  Kodak and Nikon offerings are high-end  If Pentax can 
target the mid-range SLR buyer with affordable second hand lenses for a 
DSLR, they could be onto a winner

Think of an advertising campaign: Remember the Spotmatic camera you
bought when you were in Vietnam?  You know those lenses you've had for
thirty years?  They'll fit your *new* Pentax Digital

Or: We had the first SLR  The first AF lens  Now the first affordable 
DLSR which will use all your lenses you bought for our other cameras

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Re: Uh-Oh :^D

2002-03-01 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Fred wrote:

 (I'd better be careful here, though - they're also the ones with the
 big arm muscles - tremble)

Any resemblance between 6x7 owners and Popeye is purely coincidental  And 
nothing to do with our consumption of spinach in any way shape or form

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Re: Uh-Oh :^D

2002-02-28 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 chanting esoteric, lydian incantations 

Lydia, oh Lydia, 
 That Encyclopedia

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Re: What is it - New products Pentax Japan Site - new products

2002-02-27 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Bob Rapp wrote:

 I give up,
 The picture of a 645 with what looks like 2 backs and a focusing screen.
 What are they??

Without knowing the exact page, it's difficult to find, but Babelfish 
(http://www.babelfish.altavista.com) can translate from Japanese to 
English quite well, although you occasionally get sentences like:

Square Entering of 9 millimeter width. Adjusting horizontality * vertical 
direction accurately, it is convenient to composition decision.

Still, at least you can get a good idea of what's going on.

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Re: sigma 70-300mm 4-5.6 DL macro lens.

2002-02-27 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Nitin Garg wrote:

 hi,
 
 anyone has any experience with this lens ?

Nitin, 

I've had one for a while.  It's not a bad lens and the zoom-range is good
for walking around.  The attached lenshood is pretty deep and seems to
work well - I can't ever recall seeing much flare when using this on
bright sunny days.  The attached lens hood also reverses to store on the 
camera, which is quite convenient.

I think I used the macro mode once - I'm not much of a macro shooter.  
It's only macro at 300 which means you need quite a bit of room.

I don't use it much anymore because my style of photography changed - I 
normally walk around with a 20-35, a 50 and a 135 now.  It's an ok lens, 
though.  

As for the quality of the image - I can't comment on that as I haven't 
used it for a while.   I can't remember ever looking at a pic and thinking 
Man this lens, er, blows!

It works well with my Zs and my MZ-5 - no compatability problems.

(It's the one attached to the camera (z5) in 
http://www.diaspoir.net/dave/davenstef.jpg, although that's an amazingly 
unhelpful picture for camera equipment.  It also looks photoshopped, for 
some reason.)

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Re: Need some advice about a trade..

2002-02-27 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Robert Woerner wrote:

 I highly recommend the AF500FTZ. The guide number is 138 ft., coverage goes
 as wide as 24mm, swivel head, and vari-power in manual mode. BTW KEH has one
 in EX condition for $205.00.  They sell for $284.00 new at BH. I have  the
 500 and it works great.

I've found that if you bounce the flash you can get good coverage down to
about 20mm.  This photo:  http://pug.komkon.org/00dece/synchronicity,html
was taken with a bounce card (just a white piece of plastic velcro'd to
the flash.)

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Re: KMP Copyright Infringement(s)

2002-02-26 Thread dave o'brien

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Bojidar Dimitrov wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 What can I do against this:
 http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1334153963

The Internet Remote Cattle-Prod Transmission Protocal. It transmits a 
short, sharp electric shock to spammers and people who steal your images 
and text.

Damn, that was just wishful thinking, sorry.

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RE: 67 Brotherhood -- a humble question about MLU

2002-02-25 Thread dave o'brien

On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Peifer, William [OCDUS] wrote:

 I now turn my gaze away from the large bodies -- especially Casselberry's
 6x9 -- for fear of turning into a pillar of silver bromide  ;-)

The first time I read that, I read it as Casselberry's body being large...

But the second time, well, the 6x9 Fuji Rangefinders look slightly smaller 
than the 6x7.  Whether they're lighter I don't know, but they won't 
require the big mirror box, so they should be less bulky.  They have a 
good reputation for sharp lenses as well.

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Re: SMC Reflex Zoom

2002-02-24 Thread dave o'brien

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Fred wrote:
 Perhaps, based upon your mention of being an excellent lens for
 flower photo, it is indeed a new lens, because the 400-600/8-12 had
 (like most long telephotos) a rather long close-focus distance
 (about 10 feet), which is a little far for the usual flower photo.
 (And, because of the doughnut bokeh of typical mirror lenses, I
 would think that it might be difficult to use a mirror lens for such
 images.)

Some mirror lenses can focus closer than that.  I've got a 500/f8 Vivitar 
with a macro mode.  It can get down to 1:2.7 at under 6 feet.

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Re: Portra Films

2002-02-23 Thread dave o'brien

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Treena Harp wrote:

 BTW, has anyone here used the Portra chromogenic B+W yet? I was wanting to
 try some for portraits, but was wondering if any of ya'll have any feedback
 on it.

I ran a test on some the other week - exposed the same scene from ISO 25 
to ISO 1600.  There wasn't much of a difference on the negative and none 
of the muddiness you get with T400CN underexposed.

I got mine developed in the minilab downstairs and they came back black 
and white.  None of this brown stuff.  Also, there were none of the usual 
arguments you tend to get when you give a minilab film they haven't seen 
before.

I took some portraits of my daughter with it - it's very smooth and has 
a good range of tones.  Very grainless as well, at least in the prints.

I went out and bought a brick of it straight away.

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Re: PMA News

2002-02-22 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 a faster fps
 fully sealed body
 perhaps a faster film rewinder

Sounds like an F5.
 
 This can be a 12 month task that can involve a team of 3
 An electronics engineer, designer amd moulder/assembler

Are you a camera engineer?

 I am not asking for a complete new body just an improved body of the current mzs.
 
 Are you saying Pentax is so small of a company they can't afford to invest $200,000 
US
 for a body that can last for the next 10 years (if it costs them that much?
 
 Remember all we are talking about is an improvement of the MZS which would be faster 
 fps, fully sealed body and a possible faster film rewind

Which means more power consumption which means more batteries which means 
a larger body, which leads to a redesign...

If you really want 10+fps, then you should look at the Canon with mirror 
which doesn't flip up.  Or maybe a movie camera.  But if you have a 
digital, you can get 25+ fps...

The fundamental question is not whther thay can do it.  It's whether it's 
thr right thing for Pentax to do.  Personally, I don't think they'll ever 
bother with the F5 style of camera.  They started competing with Nikon 
with the Z-1p and they lost that battle even though the Z-1p was far 
better specified that the N90.  I doubt they'd try that again.

 You telling me globally on planet Eart they wouldn't sell 200 bodies @ $1800 us in 
the 
 first 24 months which would tally @ $360,000 plus the on going sales and profits 
they 
 can make for the next 10 years?

Turnover is not the same as profit.  

 Someone needs to sit down and look at the big picture not the picture in the tunnel 
with 
 an attitude We enthusiasts could not provide Pentax with enough cash

Maybe Pentax want to leave the market for Nikon F5s to Nikon?  Pentax's
main market is PS cameras and low end SLRs which can use all the lenses.  
Their SLR customers are generally enthusiasts who appreciate a well made 
camera and not 'professionals' (i.e. sports and photojournalist types).

Basically, if you want an F5, then go and get one.  Pentax aren't going to 
make one - it's just not part of their philosophy.

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Re: Dear Mr Pentax : )

2002-02-22 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Im lossing my patience here after the 15 email in reference to this

So, nobody agrees with you so we're all wrong.

Yeah, right.

Guys, I think the who is back!

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Re: Re: Medium format? Large format? What?

2002-02-22 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, gfen wrote:

 On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, T Rittenhouse wrote:
 
  And you can call yourself a Pro since you use the Pro camera. grin
 
 Now that its mine, I need to get a fedora with a press card in it to
 complete the picture. :)
 
Well, for $70, even if it doesn't work, you've got a fancy dress prop for 
a heck of a lot of parties.

just call me Weegee, baby

I think my sigmonster (the thing which makes my .sigs) is smoking 
something strange... 

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Re: A plea from the heart

2002-02-22 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

WARNING:  This explanation is Not Suitable for British School Kids:

 On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 07:59 AM, Paul F. Stregevsky wrote:
 
  A year or two ago, a PDMLer for whom English was a second language
  criticized a lens with the epithet, It's the socks!
 
 HAR!  I told someone the other day, jokingly, that something was the 
 socks, and they looked at me funny...and then, as I was about to 
 explain myself, I couldn't remember where I had heard the expression.

It may be a bowdlerization of it's the dog's bollocks!, a vulgar English
expression equivalent to it's the bee's knees! or it's brilliant!.
 
 THANK YOU.  I'll call Vanessa and tell her that I'm not a freak.

Jeez, man, you tell her that *after* the wedding.

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Re: 67 Brotherhood -- a humble question about MLU

2002-02-22 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Peifer, William [OCDUS] wrote:

 (As I lay down my puny small-format bodies and take my shoes off to stand in
 your presence)

BOW YOUR HEADS!
 
 What say ye about mirror lock-up bodies -- specifically, which ones have it
 and which don't?  My guess is that bodies marked 67 do not.  Do all bodies
 marked 6x7 have mirror lock-up?  If not, how does a small-format neophyte
 tell the difference?

There's a little switch on the right hand side (when looking forward, i.e.
the shutter release side) of the mirror box which locks up the mirror.  
It's in a portrait orientation (i.e. taller than wide) and about one
centimeter long.  There's a little switch on the left hand side which is
the lens release button.

If you're looking at a body, and the shutter is cocked, pushing up on the 
switch will lock up the mirror.  It can only be release by pushing the 
shutter release or pushing the reset switch (that's the little recessed 
doodad).

The shutter release is on the body part, *not* the mirror box, and is a 
small circular recessed button.  You can't push it by mistake.
 
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Re: 67 Brotherhood -- a humble question about MLU

2002-02-22 Thread dave o'brien

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, dave o'brien wrote:

 If you're looking at a body, and the shutter is cocked, pushing up on the 
 switch will lock up the mirror.  It can only be release by pushing the 
 shutter release or pushing the reset switch (that's the little recessed 
 doodad).

I forgot to add: to cock the shutter, you'll either need film in the 
camera or someone who knows enough about 6x7s to do the little trick with 
the exposure count dial.

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Re: 67 Brotherhood -- a humble question about MLU

2002-02-22 Thread dave o'brien

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, dave o'brien wrote:

 The shutter release is on the body part, *not* the mirror box, and is a 
 small circular recessed button.  You can't push it by mistake.

*aaargh!*  I shouldn't be posting.  That's the mirror lockup release 
and reset button, not the shutter release.  You only need this if a 
battery runs out mid-exposure.

The shutter release is the feeping obvious thing on the top of the camera.

If you've ever used a manual camera (or even an MZ style camera, a P6x7 
will be blindingly obvious.

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Re: thankyou

2002-02-22 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, William Robb wrote:

 Were we just insulted?

Trolled, I think.

Hmmm, my sigmonster is on good form today.

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Re: P67 myth rears its ugly head again, was Re: Pentax fast glass?

2002-02-19 Thread dave o'brien

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

 The Pentax 67 is only big or heavy when compared to the smallest and 
 lightest of 35mm cameras.

i.e. those made by Pentax.  It's hard to see how it could be much smaller 
though - it's only a little wider than the film path, and only a little 
taller than the 120 spool.  The big pentaprism and mirror box are that way 
because of the laws of physics and, as any Star Trek fan knows, Ye canna 
change the laws of physics, cap'n!

It's funny seeing those huge nikons with only a small hole in the front.

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Re: manual lenses on pz1p how does it all work

2002-02-18 Thread dave o'brien

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1. With a manual focus lense on a pz1-p you don't have auto focus after all its a 
manual 
 focus lense. If the camera is set on auto will it set the shutter speeds and 
aperture for 
 you or better still will the function of me manually selecting the aparture will the 
pz1 
 automatically set the shutter speed (visa versa?

If the lens is an A, F or FA lens, then the camera can select the
aperture, as long as then the aperture is set to 'A'.  If it's an M or K
lens, then you'll need to set the aperture yourself on the lens.

This assumes that the camera is in P, HyP or HyM modes.

Changing the shutter speed will only change the aperture if the lens is 
set to 'A'.
 
 2. With a screw mount manual focus lense on a pz1-p you don't have auto focus after 
all 
 its a manual focus lense. If the camera is set on auto will it set the shutter 
speeds and 
 aperture for you or better still will the function of me manually selecting the 
aparture will 
 the pz1 automatically set the shutter speed vica versa?

M42 lenses (screwmounts) are similar to M or Kle lenses as above, but you 
also have to stop down to meter at your desired aperture.  i.e., if you 
have an M42 50/f1.4, and you want to take a photo at f8, you need to set 
the little lever on the lens so that it's gets darker when you close the 
aperture, then set the aperture to f8 to meter.  The camera won't close 
the aperture for you when taking the picture like it will with K-mount 
lenses.

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Re: 67 Brotherhood

2002-02-18 Thread dave o'brien

On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, T Rittenhouse wrote:
...I saw Aaron and Bill gathering faggots 

I had to read that twice before my dirty mind gave up making rude
remarks...

I'll just get my pitchfork and join the rabble.

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Re: is something wrong with the list ?

2002-02-16 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Nitin Garg wrote:

 It must have been a different problem in my case. University mailboxes
 dont have notion of full unless the disk gets full if someone else is
 hogging up all space). Must have been that or network issues. I am
 online almost all the time and my inbox has very few mails at a time.

If it's a university system then it's almost certainly a Unix type mail 
system and your email is stored in your home directory.  If your disk 
quote is full with other files, you may not have enough room to get more 
email.  Also, your email may be marked read, but still on the disk.  The 
PDML takes up a lot of space on disk.  My PDML mailbox is only the last 
three months and it's 57Mb!

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Re: For REAL Pentax fans only...

2002-02-16 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Bojidar Dimitrov wrote:

 http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/collection/

Someone *needs* a polariser very, very badly.

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Re: For REAL Pentax fans only...

2002-02-16 Thread dave o'brien

On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Bojidar Dimitrov wrote:

 You don't seem to be a REAL Pentax fan, Dave.  Noticing the technical
 incompetence of the photos means that your heart was not beating fast
 enough while looking at them...

Yeah, I'm definitely waning - I just had a 15/3.5 in my hands and refused 
to buy it, looked at all three limited lenses and decided they were too 
expensive and ignored an 85/1.4 in favour of a quarter pounder with cheese 
from MacDonald's.

But I did think that an FA120/4 (645) with the right adapters was probable 
my next lens, so maybe I'm not completely hopeless.

I'm still weighing up an 800/f4.0 (6x7) vs my wife throwing me out, so
there's hope for me yet.

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Re: Portrait lenses

2002-02-09 Thread dave o'brien

On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Dan Scott wrote:

 My wife has forbidden me to photograph her with the FA 100/2.8 macro. I
 comply, but it baffles me--other than a reversed l/r image what do women
 see in a photo that they haven't seen in a mirror?

Nothing, but at least the mirror image stays in the bathroom.

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Re: (2): OT:first attempt at html page

2002-02-06 Thread dave o'brien

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 And here's a great shareware program for writing and editing HTML:
 
 http://www.studioware.com/

There's a really excellent text editor available at 
http://www.textpad.com.  It supports 'syntax highlighting', which means 
that it can understand certain file formats and colour various words 
differently.  The setting for HTML has the control codes and tags in 
different colours and quoted text in different colours, so that it's 
really obvious when you forget to close a quote.

You can also download little 'clip libraries' of standard phrases, which 
in the HTML library include the standard tags.  i.e., if you double-click 
on 'Text Link' with some highlighted text, it inserts a href=your 
highlighted text/a and all you have to do it type in the link.  

There are clip libraries and syntax highlighing for all sorts of
programming languages as well, and you can even roll your own.  At one 
stage, I used to have a 'fast text file' highlighter which would let me 
whiz through a text file looking for my key words, which would be 
highlighted in red.

It also allows you to search and replace over more than one file, write 
macros, view your files in any program (including web browsers), and a 
myriad of other features.

It's about $30 (US bucks) if you choose to buy it, I think.  I didn't, but 
only because I started running my own webserver under linux and I just use 
vi, instead.

http://www.textpad.com.  Go there, it's damn good.

dave
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Re: Temporary dropout

2002-02-06 Thread dave o'brien

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Quick everyone, post your flower pictures!!

Flowers and cats together, that's what we want.  Where's that triffid 
gone...

dave
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RE: OT -- Really nasty virus around

2002-02-06 Thread dave o'brien

On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Glenn:
 (Yes, I was around for the RTFM worm -- the Morris worm -- but that used
 mail transfer agents, not mail user agents.  It involved sendmail rather
 than /usr/ucb/mail.  As such, it's not comparable to an attack on
 Outlook.)

Yep, I was there too!
 
Len:
  The people running other software should not deceive themselves into
  believing that they have immunity from hackers, crackers, and virus/trojan
  programs.  

On one hand, it's easy to write a little script which will bugger up a
unix system and mail it to someone, *BUT*, the recipient has to:

save it to disk,
change an attribute so that the script is executable,
change to the superuser id (usually root),
run the script.

On the other hand from Outlook, you just have to click on an attachment.  
(I've heard of scripts being able to run from the preview pane in Outlook,
but not seen it seriously documented.) Win2k is better than previous
versions of Windows, in that I frequently have to install, or change
things as the Administrator user (superuser).  This is good.  Win2k is
good.

But on the gripping hand, I'd prefer to not have to worry about these 
things, which is why I read my mail on my linux box, and play games on the 
windows one. :)

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Re: Why do my photos appear in PUG full of artifacts?

2002-02-03 Thread dave o'brien

On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Sid Barras wrote:

 I suppose this is going over my  head when we begin to talk about jpeg 
 compression, but is my file size is 74k when closed, and stored on the 
 server, does  it suddenly take up more space on the server when it is open?

The important size is the size of the file on the disk.  Sometimes the 
editing program (photoshop or paintshop pro) will show an uncompressed 
size, which really has no relation to the compressed size on disk.
 
 And one last puzzlement, why isn't the code for the page written so that 
 the thumbnails will show  in both netscape and explorer?

It works fine under Konqueror (a linux browser).  There appear to be
spaces as the first character of the thumbnail filenames, which would seem
to be a mistake of some sort.

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RE: Australian Pentax Market Penetration

2002-01-31 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Alan Chan wrote:

 Thank God for my son in Hong Kong, otherwise I would not have been able to
 justify buying my recent acquisitions.
 
 Still one of the cheapest place to buy if you know where.  :)

...and a very expensive place if you don't know where to go...

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Hong Kong Pentax was RE: Australian Pentax Market PenetrationHong Kong

2002-01-31 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, John Coyle wrote:

 Kevin:
 Quoted from Dave O'Briens message...
 
 
 I saw one on Hong Kong side: Pacific Place in Admiralty.  I don't
 remember the name of the store, but there's only two likely places in
 there.  Possibly Universal Audio/Video.  It's on the ground floor in
 there.
 

It's: 
Universal Audio  Video Centre,
135, The Mall, Pacific Place, 88 Queensway, Hong Kong
Tel: +852 2801 6422
Fax: +852 2801 6424
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I've never dealt with them myself, but that's the only place I've seen an 
MZ-S here.

Another good place is: 
Matsuya Camera: http://home.hkstar.com/~matsuya/

There are good camera shops here, but there are real rogues as well.

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Re: English English speakers--OT

2002-01-30 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Mike Johnston wrote:
 To anyone who speaks English English--can you please enlighten me as to what
 a bedsit is??

A bedsit is a 'bedroom / sitting room'.

Think of a small studio flat, bedroom and kitchen all as part of the main 
room.  Now think of it with old and slightly tired furniture, all gone 
slightly mouldy.  

It used to be a common practice in England that a landlord would split up
a house into seperate rooms, give each room a cooking facility and rent
them out to single people.  
 
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Re: English English speakers--OT

2002-01-30 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, dave o'brien wrote:

 Think of a small studio flat, bedroom and kitchen all as part of the main 
 room.  Now think of it with old and slightly tired furniture, all gone 
 slightly mouldy.  

I forgot to add:
If you look at one of the early episodes of Mr Bean (Rowan Atkinson), he's 
living in a place like this.

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Re: Mangling English (Papped)

2002-01-26 Thread dave o'brien

Bob Walkden wrote:

the one that really makes me grind my
teeth is architect. Not the noun, the verb. To architect something is what
a systems architect is hired for.


any noun can be verbed...


Verbing weirds language  -- Calvin (From Calvin and Hobbes)
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Re: What Have You Learned Here?

2002-01-26 Thread dave o'brien

Cotty wrote:

*I've learned that a lot of PDMLers do not have English as their first 
language...

And frequently they write better English than those who have it as their 
native tongue.

dave yerwhat?
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Re: Metering

2002-01-24 Thread dave o'brien

Pål Audun Jensen wrote:

 Aaron wrote:

 Unless the meter was up on exactly what film you were using and knew all
 of the newest films as they were released, this would be hard to
 implement.  I'm glad it doesn't try, leaving us, once again, in control.

 I think that would be a bloody good idea for an LXII.

Also, it needs to come with an internet connection to download new film 
characteristics.

Well, the LX II, onlhy costs $150, but the satellite phone attachment 
costs the remaining $2000!

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Re: I'm Enabled - Woo Hoo!

2002-01-24 Thread dave o'brien

frank theriault wrote:

Just got an MX with Winder MX that I bought from a list member (thanks
very much, Wheatfield Willie!).

On a related topic, does anyone have a guess for the current market 
value of an MX Winder?  One of the local places has one for sale, but 
with no price.  This normally means *EXPENSIVE*.  (It's Onesto Cameras, 
Kimberly Road, Tsim Sha Tsui, if the other HK based PDMLers want a look.)

thanks,
dave
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Re: What cameras OTHER than the LX rate at least a half wink?

2002-01-10 Thread dave o'brien

On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Dave Weiss wrote:

 Paul,
 
 Aw shucks, I hope I am not the lone pdmler who owns a Mamiya TLR!  Strangely
 enough, I was using it about a week ago and got some real nifty portraits of
 my kids with the 180 super lens.  I had forgotten how good the pictures
 could look with this lens.  Gotta love TLR's for making you take your time
 (parallax corrections, left to right corrections, etc.).

Nope, I've got one as well (A C3).  Lovely camera.  Bit of a brick though.  
Still prefer the 6x7 except for that almighty thump from the shutter.

dave working through  the backlog
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Re: Technical question about the list

2001-12-20 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Levente -Levi- Littvay wrote:

 What does everyone think about adding a [pentax] to the subject
 of each letter so it is easier to filter (both with machine and both by
 eyeballing the mailbox)

Completely unnecessary.

 My understanding is that it is a modest change that is fairly easy.  It
 would help me a lot...

You use Outlook which, despite its many shortcomings, does have a
relatively decent set of filters.  I think they're called Rules in
Outlook. 

Check under the Action menu when you open an email from the PDML.  There
should be an option for creating a rule.  You can either follow the
prompts if they feel sensible or wing it, but what you want to end up with
is a rule which filters everything from [EMAIL PROTECTED] into a
separate folder.  *ALL* mail from the PDML will have the same To: address
or the same Reply-to: address.  Use these to filter it.

Really, you should learn to use rules of this kind to filter as much of
your email as possible, especially if much of it is routine 'general
office info'.  In my last company, I had a set of rules which put all the
'sent to everyone' stuff in one folder, the virus alerts in another,
anything sent from personal friends in a third, the corporate newsletter
in another, etc, and only stuff sent specifically to me landed in my
inbox.  

This cuts down on the interruptions due to email tremendously, as you know 
that the only things which are for your explicit and personal attention 
are those things which are either from your friends or those things which 
are for you personally.  Your mail-thingy goes You've got mail! and you 
can just flick to it with alt-tab and see if it's just routine stuff or 
sent to you personally.

dave
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Re: Technical question about the list

2001-12-20 Thread dave o'brien

On 20 Dec 2001, Johan Schoone wrote:

 There are mailing lists where it is common practice to do this.

I know of at least one newsgroup (alt.fan.pratchett) where it is good 
manners to identify whether your posting is Relevant, Irrelevant, Meta, 
Annotation, Games-related or Fandom-related by a tag (RIMAGF) 
respectively, and this helps tremendously with filtering.  That newsgroup 
is *insanely* high traffic, however (or was the last time I put up with 
it) and ninja filters were the only way to deal with it.

This message, for example, would be [M] for Meta, in that it refers to the 
technical aspects of reading the list.  Something about Pentax would be 
[R] for Relevant, etc.

Folks here are generally pretty good with OT, or FS for Off-Topic or
For-Sale, however, so you could filter on that, if you want.  Personally, 
I keep a few folders for this mailing list:

pentax.active   recent email send from the list to the list
pentax.adminemail sent to me from people on the list
pentax.archive  old email chucked in here when it's a month old
pentax.bozo people I couldn't be bothered reading.

(The archiving stuff is a little esoteric - I have (or will, when I polish
them up a little) some scripts which move everything over about a month
old into a separate folder.  I think Outlook can do this too, although it
might want to archive everything, not just one folder.)

Some folks also consider it useful to filter on people whose ideas or 
emails you don't want to read or whose postings make you want to argue 
with them.  Especially those prone to off topic ranting.

 Mail folders are your friends.

Yep, or at least filters are.

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Re: Technical question about the list

2001-12-20 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Cotty wrote:

 pentax.bozo  people I couldn't be bothered reading.
 
 LOL! That's a real hoot, Dave! Cheered me up no end.

Well, nice to know that at least one person hasn't put me in their bozo 
bin.
 
 (Damn - you won't read this...)

Nope, there's only one person in there at the moment.  No prizes for 
guessing who that is...

dave  :) 
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RE: Technical question about the list

2001-12-20 Thread dave o'brien

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Levente -Levi- Littvay wrote:
(It would be a good idea if the address you give actually worked. This 
bounced, so I'll send it to the list in case it's useful to someone...)

 OK, It was just an idea.  I actually like it on other lists.

yeah, but on this list, everything comes from one address, so you can 
filter on that and it isn't necessary for everyone to remember something.
 
 Well don't judge me based on what you see.  It is a temp setup that alows
 me to sync my PDA until I get a new one and until school will allow me to
 finalize my Linux.  (e-mail is a tough issue with Linux)

email is *easy* with linux.  (I'm a linux consultant.)  Al you need is 
Sendmail (or postfix) configured (it's easier than it looks, really!), and 
it just works.
 
 What do you recommend for e-mail? (reply private, decrease of offtopicthx)

what I have setup for linux is very simple. In my .procmailrc I have the 
following lines:

:0:
* ^To:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]*
pentax.active

Which puts everything with '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' in either the To: 
string or the Reply-to: string in the 'pentax.active' folder.

If you want to score by poster or content, then I recommend you search for 
'Timo Saalinen procmail tips'. You'll get tons of info.

(I also have some filters which put the excessively off-topic people in 
another folder and this filter goes *before* the one above:
:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]*
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]*
pentax.bozo

etc, I'm sure you can figure it out.)

regards,
dave
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Re: Quietest AF body

2001-12-19 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Christien Bunting wrote:

 Which of the AF bodies is the quietest and has mirror lockup.

None is the blunt answer, although some have a 2-sec mirror prefire, which 
is close enough.

I've experience of the MZ-5, Z-5 and Z-1p, so I can only answer your 
questions for those three.

 Quietest :
 
 1) Shutter

MZ-5 by a long margin.  It's nice and quiet, unlike the gunshot retort of 
the Zs.

 2) Film Load and Rewind

Still, the MZ-5 I think, although with the Z-1p you can tell it not to 
rewind automatically.  This avoids the situation where you cleverly time 
your shots to match loud parts in a performance so they won't distract 
anyone and then the camera shoots you in the foot with a thirty second 
screaming rewind.

 3) Mirror

Lost in the Shutter noise on all three.

 4) AF

The MZ-5 is quieter, although it has a smaller motor so can be slower.  I 
find it hunts less sometimes.  It does depend on the lens, though.  My 
Z-1p, with a Tokina 28-70/2.8 whacks the lens against its stops when 
focussing: *whirr* THWACK! *whirr* THWACK! *whirr* *beep*

If you're really worried about 'acoustic photography' the MX is a great 
solution, although I'm never very convinced by the meter.

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Re: 6x7 or 645 lenses on 35?

2001-12-17 Thread dave o'brien

On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, William Kane wrote:

 Hey gang,
 
Real quick question . . .  When mounting a 300/4 lens that's designed
 for the 6x7 on a 35 mm camera via the necessary adapter, does the lens
 act like a 300, or is there a conversion factor?

it's still a 300mm lens.  The only real difference is that it's image 
circle covers 60x70 while your negative is 24x36.  If you have the right 
adapter, it'll just be like a 300/F4 for K mount but much heavier and 
bulkier.

When moving from format to format, the changes in focal length do *not* 
affect the focal length, they merely affect the image on the size of the 
film.

That 800/f4.0 you can get for the 6x7 is *still* an 800/f4.0 on 35mm, and 
it's still and enormous bazooka of a lens (I wouldn't point it within 
about two countries of the POTUS[1] without expecting a visit from the 
Secret Service)

Unfortunately, there's no adapter for putting your FA50/1.4 on a 6x7.  
This is an enormous pity, in my estimation, as the market for mounting 
35mm lenses on 6x7 is *far* larger than mounting 6x7 on 35mmm.

Yes, I know you'd need some optical elements to focus it, but *wow* a 15mm 
f3.5 on 6x7 (or any of the sub-100mm lenses on 6x7) would blow away all 
the competition.

If Pentax could sort out an adapter which would allow 35mm lenses on the 
6x7, I think the other MF manufacturers would panic.

dave

[1] POTUS: President Of The United States
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RE: Lens Gallery primary site - down

2001-12-17 Thread dave o'brien

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Valentin Donisa wrote:

 On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:48:20 -0600, Paris, Leonard wrote:
 
 Hi Valentin!  Nice to know that you're still within lurking distance.  Best
 wishes for the holiday season and may the new year see you healthy, wealthy,
 and wise.
 
 Hmmm, Linux crash?  Nah!  Couldn't be.  Must have been a hardware failure.
 
 Hard drive failure (seriously). 

Reminds me of that old story about the Novell server which had been 
running so long that it had gotten covered with concrete and built into a 
wall.  When it was finally found and someone tried to upgrade it, it fell 
to pieces after it was shut off and no-one could get it running again.

I actually had similar happen to me: one of my servers had been running in
a high humidity environment for so long that, when I powered it down (for
the first time in about four years) to upgrade it, the *motherboard* just
rotted away.  The damn thing crumbled away in my hands.  I think the
electrons were the only thing holding it together.

Win2k hasn't been around long enough, but I'd expect similar longetivity.  
I'm doubtful about XP though.

dave a computer jinx
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Re: OT: Re: Australians

2001-12-12 Thread dave o'brien

On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Tom Rittenhouse wrote:

 I probably should refrain from commenting in this thread, but when have I
 ever shown good sense? Here in the US the statistics show when states have
 enacted shall issue concealed carry laws the violent crime rate goes down
 dramatically. A fact the anti-gun people try to cover up. 

Does that mean that the violent crime statistics actually begin to 
approach those of countries without mass gun ownership?

dave
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RE: Photo Greeting Cards

2001-12-09 Thread dave o'brien

On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Malcolm Smith wrote:

 I would like to have Christmas cards made from some slides I took a few
 years back in the forest, lots of snow a festive appeal. I approached a few
 companies who would print the cards, but the minimum order would see me to
 2020 with them!
 
 Would I be better off investing in a good printer and software package?

I did something like this last year - I took a picture someone else had
shot of me, the wife and the little girl (about five months old then) and
just stuck in it a card with no caption.  Sure, it's not the greatest
quality in the world, but it's nice when your little family is halfway
around the world from your relatives - they open the card and there's 
a little picture of us waving at them.

Alternatively, you could print on A5 card and just fold it over.  Any 
reasonable printer would do, really.  If you can double side it, very 
good, but you can just write something on the inside, does the job too.

dave
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Re: OT: The offensive stench of an inkhorn meme (was Re: Virius alert

2001-12-06 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Bob Walkden wrote:

 Hi,
 
 well, since the whole world's gone mad and nothing is on topic
 anymore, I might as well join in.

[snip latin lesson]...
 
 Now let that be a lesson to you, and don't let me catch any of you ever
 using the wrong form again or you'll end up in detention.

Heh, that reminds me of the scene in Monty Python and the Life of Brian...

People called the Romans, they go to the 'ouse?

Very informative Bob. Thank you.

dave
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RE: HELP: my MZ-5 thinks 1/60th is a great flash sync speed!

2001-12-03 Thread dave o'brien

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Kent Gittings wrote:

 Camera doesn't know the focal length of the lens only the amount of light
 getting through which is very low at that end. The lens only sends aperture
 into or in A mode the camera sets the aperture to the lens.
 Kent Gittings

When using the ftz500 with a Z-1p or MZ-5, the flash adjusts to the length 
of the lens and tells you which focal length it is using.  It must be 
getting transmitted somehow.

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Re: Pentax FAQ Looking For a Good Home !!!

2001-12-03 Thread dave o'brien

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Fred wrote:

 I have had to change my web site's host service.  The bad news is that
 the new host service charges for bandwidth as well as for disk space
 (I've never had to deal with that before), and the bandwidth used by
 both my freeware programs and the Pentax FAQ would (if nothing were
 done) cause me to pay considerably more per month for the host service.
 Unfortunately, unlike my shareware programs, neither of these uses help
 to pay for the host service costs, so they've gotta go (elsewhere).
...
 I would prefer that it have some sort of a long-term home, of course,
 especially in the possession of someone intent on updating and improving
 the FAQ.
... 
 The FAQ right now includes 103 files in 11 directories, and involves
 about 1 MB of info.  (However, depending on the cluster size on the hard
 drive, it may need much more physical space for storage - e.g., on the
 Windows FAT32 hard drive that I have here, the actual storage space is
 over 3 MB.)  Zipped up, it can be dispatched to its new home as a 350 KB
 file.

I wouldn't mind giving it a go.  I can't guarantee that I can update it 
immediately, but I can certainly host it.

Disk space isn't a problem and I've got unmetered DSL, so fling it on over 
here.

dave
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Re: OT OT OT

2001-12-02 Thread dave o'brien

On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Jon Hope wrote:

 Erm, if I can't use cheers, do you have a reasonable replacement? :-)

Use boomshanka instead.  It means may the seed of your loins have fruit
in the belly of your woman.

dave bummer
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Re: Viruses Worms Everywhere

2001-12-01 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Anthony Farr wrote:

 I've seen this kind of address on some spam e-mails, and I've read that
 they are sent directly into your mail reader while online, rather than
 being downloaded from your ISP's mail server.  That's why they have the
 strange address details.  Just what I read but as I have no effing idea
 how email works I'd probably believe anything I read :)

It's the Badtrans virus.  More details available from any anti-virus site.

It comes with an executable program which pretends to be a Word document 
and does something to the registry.

dave
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Re: Spotted on eBay

2001-12-01 Thread dave o'brien

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Mark Roberts wrote:

 And what, exactly, is that particular lazy person selling?
 Tokina makes a 28-70/2.6-2.8 as well as a 28-80/2.8... 
 but they don't make a 28-70/2.8 

Yes they do - I'm holding on in my hand right now.  It's an ok lens, 
usually available quite cheaply for about 20-30% of the cost of the Pentax 
FA* 28-70.  It's a very fast auto-focusing lens as the range from 
close-focus to infinity is only about 90 degrees of rotation.

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Re[2]: Illegal Street Photography?

2001-12-01 Thread dave o'brien

On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Cotty wrote:

 The lack of a seat belt killed Lady Di, not the driver or the Paparazzi.
 
 The seatbelt would have not made any difference, IMHO.

Well, her bodyguard survived and he was wearing a seatbelt...  he was the 
only one who survived and the only one wearing a seatbelt.

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Re: Take cover!

2001-11-28 Thread dave o'brien

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

 On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 10:52  PM, dave o'brien wrote:
 
  There's a place for flames about various hot-button topic and it's 
  called:
  Not Here!
 
 I thought you were going to say Usenet.

I thought about it, but decided that it's innapropriate for most 
newsgroups as well.  Not to say that it doesn't happen, of course.

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Re: Auro Show Snaps

2001-11-17 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from lbparis [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sat, 17 Nov 2001
09:49:52 -0600
Read it? y
That's just your interpretation of the facts.  In actuality,
they are just hoping that, if they pretend you're not there,
perhaps they'll be able to escape with their lives.

I think this is a very harsh response.  I'm guessing you find it very
difficult to get natural, candid shots of people doing their normal
everyday stuff.

I'm similar: I think people will object to me sticking a camera in
their faces and so they do.  Friends who believe that people like
being photographed get much better results.  

I think it's a sort of personality projection.  If you radiate a field
of 'harmless photographer, just an ordinary bloke' you get on better
with people than if you radiate 'big-nose camera man'.

I find that hard to believe.  It's just not the picture of the
Shel Bellicose I've seen in action here in the PDML.  But I'll
grant the possibility that you are unaware of how intimidating
you are.

The most amazing people are capable of 'stealth photography'.  I've
got a friend who's a real dour Scot.  He uses an F5.  He can wander
through a market in Beijing and get real candid shots, even with an
enormous camera rig and the fact that his face doesn't fit.

It's very subtle, the difference in approach/personality, but it's
enough to let my friend get pictures of an old woman stirring roasting
chestnuts in a Hong Kong market, and I just get pictures of her
attacking me with a stick!

If you look at yer typical Photo Journalist (PJ) shot
(http://www.dirckhalstead.com the seven by seven article has some
superb examples), a PJ uses a 24mm lens and gets really close to the
subject, certainly close enough to get thumped.  How come all these
PJs get great pictures?  I think they're projecting a vibe which says
Your job is unbelieavably important.  It's so important that the
presence of a guy like me is of no importance and you should pay me no
attention. And they fade into the background.

Probably more like an eye-closing experience, isn't that what
you mean?  No thanks, I have to wear glasses in order to see.
The shards would be way too sharp and painful.

Once I was out with my friend mentioned above.  We were taking
pictures in one of Hong Kong's red light zones.  Two large men covered
in tattoos came up and asked us to stop taking pictures.  (Covered in
tattoos in HK means Triads, organised crime.)  My friend puts on a
dopey face and goes we wanted to take some pictures of the night
market and someone told us it was here, but we can't find it.  Now
bear in mind that we both have 6 foot tall tripods, huge bags (Domke
J2) full of cameras, at least one camera slung around the neck, light
meters, etc.  A blind man would decide that we were a pair of pro
photogs on a job.  So this thug, with a knife in his belt, who would
normally kill anyone who talks back, gives us directions back to the
night market (a big tourist attraction) and, with a big smile, says I
hope you like Hong Kong!

It's a skill. Blending in, getting the it's that bloke with the
camera again! rather than get that F@#$ing thing out of my F%$^ing
face! response.  It's a tremendous talent and, from seeing pics on
Shel in action, I think he has it.  Indeed, from seeing his pictures
where his subjects are aware of him and draw him in, he definitely has
it.

dave
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Re: Auro Show Snaps

2001-11-17 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sat,
17 Nov 2001 07:25:42 -0800
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Len, you'd be very surprised at how unobtrusive I can be.  I've stood
within a foot or two of people and gotten off half a dozen frames
without them being aware.  If you look through Juan's photos you'll see
one or two that exemplify just that.

I'm reminded here of the film Leon with Jean Reno.  He describes the
training of an assassin.  A begriming  'cleaner' uses a high power
rifle and a telescopic sight.  An experienced cleaner may use a hand
gun and shoot from the hip, but a master gets right in there with a
knife.

When you're a street photographer, it's easy to start with a 200mm
lens and stay away.  As you get better, it'll get down to an 85 or
even a 50.  But a master is someone who can use a 20mm lens, inches
from someone's face and not be noticed.

dave
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Re: Corporate Arrogance

2001-11-13 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] on
Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:26:58 -0600
Read it? y
Unfortunately, the product was just out, and the idiots at manufacturer DIDN'T 
EVEN
HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT IT UP ON THEIR WEBSITE yet. 

Sounds like Pentax USA.  Or many other manufacturers.

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Re: Please, folks, take your OS concerns elsewhere.

2001-11-13 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 12 Nov
2001 17:52:05 -0700
Read it? y
Granted this a Pentax list... we all have computers and are concerned about
their use as tools in general and in their photographic uses.

I personally don't find the thread TOO off-topic.

While random off-topicness is discouraged, the regulars who contribute
all the time to the group are given a lot of leeway.  Personally, I
think this is right and proper, although t can go a little over the
top.  A discussion of OS merits is ok, as long as it doesn't dominate
the list and as long as useful information is disseminated in a
civilised way.

If the PC/OS thread had ended up as Mac SUX! No! PC SUX then it
would have been poor, but I though there was a good exchange of
information.

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Re: OT: Re: www.pdml.net getting worse

2001-11-13 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] on
Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:15:06 -0500
Read it? y
On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:49:46 -0500, Doug Brewer wrote:

 Well, duh. Of course they are. 

 You forgot to mention that the conspiritors are stationed in satellites
 positioned in geosynchronous orbits.

I thought they were at L1, L2, and L3?  Boy do I feel stupid! :-)

Isn't it cathouses at LaGrange?  Or is that just an old ZZ Top song?

dave how how how ho-oow
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Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)

2001-11-13 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 12 Nov 2001
19:50:57 +
Read it? y
These days it's more to do with what you're weened with, computer-wise. 
If you grow up with PCs, you tend to stay with them. 

I've found that people who are weaned with only PCs tend to be very
wary of anything else.  Those weaned with Macs/Unix/anything else are
better at dealing with non-windows.

Those of us who grew up with every computer having a different
interface seem to be better at dealing with computers than those who
grew up with windows and nothing else.

People use the Mac because they *want* to. Most people use a PC because 
they have to...

True.  Same for Linux or alternative OSes.  People want to try
something else.

dave
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Re: Second hand Pentax gear in Oz?

2001-11-13 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 13
Nov 2001 18:55:59 +1000
Read it? y
Sorry John, can't remember the name of the shop, and can't find it in my 
archived mail.   Possibly Universal Audio/Video in Pacific Place, in Admiralty, 
if that's any help.  About the only dealer in HK who sells the full Pentax 
range, my son tells me.

http://www.pacificplace.com.hk/shopping/mall/body_funa.html

HTH, HAND,

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Re: OT: Ill-timed failures

2001-10-23 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from David A. Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon,
22 Oct 2001 11:52:24 +1300
Read it? y
 I believe that MS pulled a fair bit of networking code off one of the free BSD 
variants for use in NT.  They'd rip stuff off Linux as well but the GPL (license) 
won't let them, which is why they complain about it.

They used a lot of the BSD code in the winsock.  You can find it if
you open ftp.exe in a text editor.  There are strings saying
copyright regents of the university of california.  It's legal to do
that with BSD code, however.

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Re: OT: Ill-timed failures

2001-10-21 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Sat, 20 Oct 2001 19:46:29 -0400
Read it? y
It seems I've been running the NT box closer to its performance
limits than I'd realized, and when I added a couple more 
tasks I discovered how abysmally slow NT4 can be when a 
process gets wedged.  

If you don't mind warez[1], then Win2k is *far* superior to NT.  It
seems to have a smaller memory footprint as well and it's much more
stable.  About the only thing I've ever found that'll crash it is
flaky drivers on my GeForce 2. While the NT4 box at work falls over at
least once every two days, the Win2k box at home only falls over when
doing serious benchtesting or updating to Beta drivers.  When it was a
Pentium II/350, it had a six month uptime.  Now that's it's a Celeron
800, I keep fiddling with it, so it goes down (ooerr missus) whenever
I want to change things.

The Win98 box at home used to crash *at* *least* twice a day. Win98
was just a shocking product.  My cousin who works for Microsoft used
to look embarrassed when I mentioned it.  I think he used the phrase
'Ford Pinto' when describing it.

Win2k is a very good mix of Win9x and NT.  It's got the driver support
of Win9x and far more stability and the solid networking of NT.

Quite frankly, I'd say that someone in Microsoft played with Linux or
FreeBSD and said Cripes, the competition makes us look like
incompetent idiots.  We'd better come up with something with gets us a
little street cred.

If I hadn't tried Win2k, I'd be a completely Linux/BSD shop right now,
it's really that good.

Repairing the 95 box just became a lot more urgent -- either
that or start rearranging hardware, because it's what the
scanner is plugged into.

Newer Linuxes (2.4.xx) are supposed to handle scanners better.  I
haven't tried this myself as the Win2k box handles it just fine.  You
can get RedHat 7.1 with the 2.4 kernel from http://linuxcentral.com
for very little outlay, and FreeBSD 4.2 from the same place for even
less.

Okay, after being interrupted by the largest moth I've ever
seen indoors (why no, I have only seen Luna moths _outdoors_),

Get yourself a large lizard to eat the Moths.  Something Godzilla
sized should do the trick for even the largest moths.  Or so this
Japanese Documentary I just saw said.

Gosh, my belongings have annoying timing.

   -- Glenn

Wait till you have in-laws, they'll be even worse.

dave

[1] and quite frankly, taking money out of Bill Gates' wallet doesn't
disturb me very much.
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-21 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 21 Oct
2001 09:25:30 +0100
Read it? y
Ricoh GR-1

Oh, yeah, I should add to the list my wife's R-1s.  It's a tiny
rangefinder/PS with a 24mm/30mm lens and AF.  Someday I'm going to
put a roll of Tri-X in it and put an end to my wife saying that my
bigger cameras take better pictures.

dave
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Re: MIME, DEMIME, Paal, Pel, Pal, and digests

2001-09-14 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Paris, Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu,
6 Sep 2001 13:43:26 -0500 
Read it? y
There is a way to set up Outlook to only send in plain text, regardless.  On
the screen where you can see all of your message subject lines, pull down
the Tools menu, select options, and then select the tab that says Mail
Format.  The top entry there will let you select plain text as your send
mode.  That should fix your problem.

It is possible, however, that, if you're posting via a corporate
Exchange server, your sysadmin has set all outgoing mail to be RTF or
HTML.  

It happened to me, and I just couldn't make them see that there was a
problem.  They'd tell me that the problem was with my mail reader at
the other end which couldn't understand HTML mail.  Eventually, I
found a workaround, and (even more eventually) they set it up
properly.

I'm presuming someone objected to the cost of the international links
being twice what they should have been due to every message
effectively being sent twice.

dave
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Re: Pentax - [small] size matt ers?

2001-09-14 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 7 Sep 2001
13:04:09 -0400
Read it? y
Exactly. An F5 with a 600mm f4.0 isn't significantly bigger and heaver a
setup than an ME Super with a 600mm f4.0. Heck, even with an 80-200/2.8
the difference is less significant and this is the kind of setup used by
many of the working professionals who use the F5. 

Subjectively, my mate's F5 with 80-200/2.8 was about the same burden
around the neck as my PZ-1p with FA*80-200/2.8.  I don't know if
they;re exactly the same weight, but they felt about the same.  Mind
you, this was after a whole morning in 30+degrees C heat at a Macau
Grands Prix.

And almost all the *real* motorsports pros there had 600/f4.0 or
bigger lenses over one shoulder, so I guess small lightweight bodies
don't mean much in those circles.

Me, I didn't have a track pass and was reduced to taking pictures of
the girls in bikinis draped across the cars in the paddock.  

Hard work, huh?

dave
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Re: OT- let's pray 2-

2001-09-14 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Scooterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 13
Sep 2001 22:39:03 -0400
Read it? y
Hey... maybe it was *coincidence* that the turban wearing managers/owners
of the gas station hired American looking attendants  started giving
them instructions by phone. I dunno. They may be on vacation.

If they're wearing turbans then they're almost certainly Sikhs and not
Muslims.

Can you Klan members at least get your bigotries sorted out?

dave
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Re: Have a heart!

2001-09-14 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] on
Sat, 08 Sep 2001 16:57:30 -0400
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Yes, but, those of us who have been following the thread don't want to have to wade 
through all that
stuff again to see your comment. 

If you trim enough of it, then it isn't a problem.  You don't have to
scroll to read this line, do you?  And it's obvious what I'm referring
to.

Of course people have been so brainwashed by the 'Outlook Way' that
some just can't follow the traditional method of quoting.  

When I say traditional, There was almost 20 to 25 years of precedent
in quoting style before Microsoft came along and insisted on the
top-quoting style.

...But, I agree trimming the irrelevant stuff is just
simple courtesy.

Yes it is.  Simple basic good manners.  Something which is nice to
come across, even though it seems rarer and rarer these days.

dave I remember when I were a lad...
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Re: Further 67 enablement for Toronto people

2001-09-14 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 7 Sep 2001
13:13:10 -0400 (EDT)
Read it? y
STOP ENABLING ME. I want a MZ-S damnit don't make me
change my mind.

for the cost of an MZ-S, you can get a nice 6x7 with 105-2.4 lens and
maybe even the TTL viewfinder.  

you wants it, my precious, it's your birthday. 

dave *gollum*
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Re: Silent Lenses

2001-09-14 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Ivan Prenosil [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 13
Sep 2001 15:40:06 +0200
Read it? y
You can easily hear what noise is produced by operating diaphragm
(i.e. without film advance, mirror slap, shutter noise, AF) - just press DOF button.

If you are after silence, why not use digital ?

Shel? Digital?

I think an easel and paints are closer to Shel's technology level.
*grin*

dave nice and quiet too
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Re: OT: America's suffering

2001-09-14 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri,
14 Sep 2001 07:19:44 -0500
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To become a Muslim one needs simply to say:  There is
one God, Allah, and Mohammed is His prophet.

Lah Allah Il Allah, if my arabic is remembered well.
There is no god but God

That's the reason for getting rid of Jews and Christians.  To
Islam we are false inheritors of the promise of Paradise and
infidels to be dealt with.

According to most Muslims I've met, Christians and Jews are People Of
The Book (i.e. the Old Testaments plus some texts about Jesus as a
prophet), and worthy of respect.

At this point, I've unfortunately found no orthodox Muslim
who does not want to destroy both.  That's an essential part
of the belief system.  Book 4 of the Q'ran calls us scum.

Can you provide a quote for that?  I have a really hard time believing
it.

Right now the Taliban has a group of Christians in jail,
scheduled for beheading, because they practice their Christianity.

But they're quite an extreme branch of Islam.  Kind of like judging
Christians by Jerry Fallwell, or Americans by the Ku Klux Klan.

dave
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Re: Photo of the week...

2001-09-14 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from David A. Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri,
14 Sep 2001 08:13:51 +1200
Read it? y
 Yeah I found a few interesting characteristics of Netscape that way.  Funnily 
enough HTML is supposed to be platform-independent...

Yes, but sadly, the viewers are not really faithful to it and all have
their own biases.  Having said that, IE 5.5+ and Mozilla 0.93+ are
both pretty good at adhering to the standard.  NS 4.7 is pretty woeful
sometimes, especially with HTML 4.0+ and CSS

dave
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