Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:05 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2011-08-03 09:10 , Igor Roshchin wrote: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). i've been shopping for a calibrator too; i have what i think is the the original Spyder, but i haven't found software that will drive it on Mac OS X 10.5 or above I ran my original spyder on my iMac and it seems to have worked, but it never gave me the oportunity to adjust brightness etc, so may be it did not. Version 3.7.5 Dave the Spyder 3 Express has an attractive price, but i'm put off by notes that none of the Spiders read or adjust luminance; can anyone address how much that might matter? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
On 2011-08-03 09:10 , Igor Roshchin wrote: the Spyder 3 Express has an attractive price, but i'm put off by notes that none of the Spiders read or adjust luminance; can anyone address how much that might matter? The lack of a luminance adjustment hasn't mattered to me, and I wonder if I'm better off without it. I do the color calibration with the Spyder 2 Express, and adjust luminance so that I achieve a correct print when the luminance appears to be right on my monitor. The Spyder software does include a grayscale that at least gets you in the ballpark, and I found that the default luminance on an IMac 27 was also close to correct. I believe I'm just a little bit less bright than the default setting, and I'm just right for printing and apparently fine for web display as well. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I believe I'm just a little bit less bright than the default setting, ... Paul I sometimes feel that way myself. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 09/08/2011 6:09 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I believe I'm just a little bit less bright than the default setting, This explains much. HAR! -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
OK, here are my recommendations for purchasing a monitor profiling and calibration setup: First decide what your goals are: how will you be using your computer and associated imaging software? Consider two extremes: The most basic is someone just browsing the web looking at photographs and posting their own, wanting to be pretty sure they're seeing what the image is supposed to look like (within the limitations of their monitor. The most critical is someone making large, expensive fine art prints through a geographically distant service bureau. In the former case the cheapest hardware and most basic software will suffice just fine. In the latter example an expensive, high end setup is pretty much essential - the print buyer or gallery is going to be very demanding of print quality and the cost (and time delay) of getting a print re-done will be absolutely unacceptable. Most of us fall somewhere in the middle: We have high quality monitors and make our own inkjet prints at least occasionally. The frequency with which we print, the typical size of the prints and their end use (show to friends/hang on wall/sell commercially/show in gallery) will determine how close to either end of the quality spectrum we want to go when purchasing a profiling/calibration kit. Even preparing images for a book isn't as critical as the outsourced-fine-art-printing scenario I chose as the high end example, because time delay (usually) isn't as critical and proof copies can be run at a reasonable price (and include all images in the publication). After evaluating your needs step 2 is to buy a profiling/calibration kit that's a little better than you think you'll need. That'll allow some breathing room for monitor upgrades and changes in your output needs. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
HI Boris - I can only offer my experience - I had a Huey Pro system and never felt like it worked well. The colors were just great in Photoshop but they looked way too dark in other applications (color managed or not) and printed way too dark as well. Now, in fairness, I was running this on WIn XP x64 which was a notoriously buggy OS with a lot of compatibility problems. So maybe the Huey just did not work well with it. I since moved to a WIn 7 machine and I just use the visual calibration utility that comes with that. I installed 32 bit WIn Xp on my old PC (so to run Nikon Scan) and I just use Calibrize on that. While there is still a difference between calibrated and non calibrated apps, when I print with profiles they come out fine. Your post reminds me that I still have to find a calibration system for my new PC - I forgot about it since the visual calibration has been working fine. I probably should try the Huey but to be honest, I don't have confidence in it. - MCC On 8/3/2011 11:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). I didn't have a chance to figure out which features are really helpful, and which are just marketing ploy: http://spyder.datacolor.com/s3compare.php Does the Pro version automatically adjust calibration based on the ambient light in real time, or only during the calibration? Also, - how does the multiple display calibration work? Does anybody know? I think I am ready to bite the bullet, - as the monitors I thought were close to calibrated are actually not. Thank you in advance, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 08/08/2011 7:13 PM, Mark C wrote: Your post reminds me that I still have to find a calibration system for my new PC - I forgot about it since the visual calibration has been working fine. I probably should try the Huey but to be honest, I don't have confidence in it. The Eye1 transitioned very nicely from XP (32) to Win7 64, FWIW. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
No experience, but the reviews are positive on one that is VERY reasonable on price: Huey Pro. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Huey+Prooe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8tbm=shopcid=3001592643111293849sa=Xei=m947Tt2tNIW80AGsgpn2Awved=0CDcQ8wIwAQ and http://www.amazon.com/Pantone-MEU113-huey-Pro/dp/B000OFC1YY Never quite understand these products that some people just love and some people just hate. It sounds like the Huey Pro allows you to compensate for ambient light also. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-08-05 8:18, Darren Addy wrote: No experience, but the reviews are positive on one that is VERY reasonable on price: Huey Pro. I can't help with the Huey products, as I haven't used them. But I've been using the Spider 3 Pro for several wears with good results in a multiple monitor environment. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I wouldn't buy a Huey model. One of my clients had one and we had a lot of difficulty getting two displays on identical systems to match, both situated in the same room. Switching it for my Eye One Display 2, they matched on the first try. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: No experience, but the reviews are positive on one that is VERY reasonable on price: Huey Pro. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Huey+Prooe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8tbm=shopcid=3001592643111293849sa=Xei=m947Tt2tNIW80AGsgpn2Awved=0CDcQ8wIwAQ and http://www.amazon.com/Pantone-MEU113-huey-Pro/dp/B000OFC1YY Never quite understand these products that some people just love and some people just hate. It sounds like the Huey Pro allows you to compensate for ambient light also. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A good how-to video on the X-Rite i1 Display Pro can be found here http://www.xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?id=1454catid=109action=overview Cheers, Christine On Aug 4, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:13 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a brand I knew as one who knows colour. I expect they are all good. X-Rite also makes the ColorMunki, which appears to be the preferred system in the Windoze world. The Eye One Display calibration and profiling package (then sold by Gretag-Macbeth, now Xrite) was recommended to me independently by colleagues on both the Displays and ColorSync engineering teams at Apple when I asked them. They had every calibration tool, from the bottom to the top of the market, at their disposal and said that the Eye One Display was both the most consistent and the most reliable. I bought mine (the Eye One Display 2 model by that time) in late 2004 and have been completely satisfied with its performance despite all the system and technology changes it has been updated to manage over the past seven years. It's been replaced by the i1 Display Pro package, which is just about the same price I paid with much more functionality. I don't know how it compares in detail to the ColorMunki model, but I'll likely do the research soon and pick one or the other as my calibration utility since my Eye One Display 2 hardware is getting old and does not support the integration of ambient room lighting into the calibration and profiling. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Darren Addy Never quite understand these products that some people just love and some people just hate. It sounds like the Huey Pro allows you to compensate for ambient light also. Read the reviews. Most of them are pretty specific about what is liked/disliked about the product. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1391 / Virus Database: 1518/3811 - Release Date: 08/04/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks a lot to all who responded! I've got quite some information to think about and to research further. So far, - Various version of i1 Display, eye-one, etc. as they come up in the search on Amazon are somewhat confusing. Godfrey, - if /when you get to compare i1 Display vs ColorMunki, please post it here (and you can Cc: me, - in case I will be travelling and not reading the list closely). Thank you! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Thanks a lot to all who responded! I've got quite some information to think about and to research further. So far, - Various version of i1 Display, eye-one, etc. as they come up in the search on Amazon are somewhat confusing. Godfrey, - if /when you get to compare i1 Display vs ColorMunki, please post it here (and you can Cc: me, - in case I will be travelling and not reading the list closely). Regards the i1 Display (aka Eye One Display 2) , don't get any of the Lite or Basic packages. They use a less expensive and less capable colorimeter unit. Go for the i1 Display 2 or i1 Display Pro. I have used a ColorMunki once ... Using it seems little different from using the i1 Display, really. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
A couple of comments on the Huey Pro (since I have one): First, it does not measure luminance, and since the BIG difference between my on-screen displays and prints is luminance, I am also in the market for a new calibrator. Second, the Amazon review have something that is a red flag to me: a bimodal distribution of scores. When you look at hotel reviews, the 5-star ones are raves and the 1-star ones often say bedbugs! Guess which I pay more attention to? Third, to be fair, I have been satisfied with the performance of the Huey Pro, given its luminance limitations. An iMac, MacBook Pro, and two 24in Dell monitors calibrated with it look exactly the same--not a mean feat! Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: No experience, but the reviews are positive on one that is VERY reasonable on price: Huey Pro. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Huey+Prooe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8tbm=shopcid=3001592643111293849sa=Xei=m947Tt2tNIW80AGsgpn2Awved=0CDcQ8wIwAQ and http://www.amazon.com/Pantone-MEU113-huey-Pro/dp/B000OFC1YY Never quite understand these products that some people just love and some people just hate. It sounds like the Huey Pro allows you to compensate for ambient light also. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
On Aug 5, 2011, at 9:03 PM, Rick Womer wrote: A couple of comments on the Huey Pro (since I have one): First, it does not measure luminance, and since the BIG difference between my on-screen displays and prints is luminance, I am also in the market for a new calibrator. My Spyder 2 doesn't measure luminance either, but I haven't seen this as a problem. First, an illuminated display will never provide a perfect preview of the relative brightness of flat art. They're two different animals. So once I have my monitor's colors dialed in and matching those of the prints, I tweak the brightness until I get a print that I consider perfect. It's just one adjustment, so it's not a big deal to adjust it to a level that yields the correct print brightness. Paul Second, the Amazon review have something that is a red flag to me: a bimodal distribution of scores. When you look at hotel reviews, the 5-star ones are raves and the 1-star ones often say bedbugs! Guess which I pay more attention to? Third, to be fair, I have been satisfied with the performance of the Huey Pro, given its luminance limitations. An iMac, MacBook Pro, and two 24in Dell monitors calibrated with it look exactly the same--not a mean feat! Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: No experience, but the reviews are positive on one that is VERY reasonable on price: Huey Pro. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Huey+Prooe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8tbm=shopcid=3001592643111293849sa=Xei=m947Tt2tNIW80AGsgpn2Awved=0CDcQ8wIwAQ and http://www.amazon.com/Pantone-MEU113-huey-Pro/dp/B000OFC1YY Never quite understand these products that some people just love and some people just hate. It sounds like the Huey Pro allows you to compensate for ambient light also. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
On 03/08/2011 9:22 PM, John Francis wrote: An Eye1 doesn't exactly qualify as cheap, though. Was that one of the criteria? -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Do you need to calibrate your monitor for grayscale? Also Bill, my spell checker keeps suggesting a bunch of expletives for your name... Norm From: William Robb On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a brand I knew as one who knows colour. I expect they are all good. My spell checker wants to make your name Rhinoceros... -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:22 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: An Eye1 doesn't exactly qualify as cheap, though. I suppose that cheap is in the eye of the beholder, but I don't think that $115 is bad: http://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-i1Display-Calibrator-Laptop-Displays/dp/B000JLO31M/ Less expensive than the Spider 3 Pro (with similar 4 star customer reviews). Spider 3 Express gets similar 4 star reviews for $66 at the budget end. For similar reviews I like to breakdown the star ratings to get a better picture. For example, the X-Rite i1 has the most reviews (120). Out of those 120 it got 13 1-star reviews (10.8%) Spider 3 Pro has 79 reviews with 9 1-star reviews (11.4%) Spider 3 Elements has 34 reviews with 1 1-star review (3%). Even if the next person to review gave it 1-star it would only have 6%). I also look at what percentage give it 4 or 5 star ratings, and if there are more 5s than 4s. All are similar in that regard: X-Rite (74%), Spider 3 Pro (76%), Spider 3 Express (78%). I will be needing to make a decision on one of these in the not-too-distant future, so I appreciate this thread. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've also used the Spyder 2 and had no problem matching monitor and prints, especially considering the cheap monitor I'm using. Considering what I paid for it, I think it's the Spyder 2 Pro, but I've used it with good results with the latest versions of both the Spyder 2 Pro and Spyder 2 Express software. I recently upgraded to the Spyder 3, so if anyone is interested in getting a cheap start on monitor calibration with the Spyder 2 contact me off list. -p On 8/3/2011 10:38 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I use the very inexpensive Spyder Express (the older 2 version), and it is quite adequate in that my monitor and my prints are a near perfect match. It will only calibrate one monitor, so I have my large monitor set up as the photo viewing area and use my second monitor just for PhotoShop windows and tools. It adjusts the monitor for the ambient light, so I have to work in the same lighting conditions for best accuracy. I think the main advantage of the Pro device is that it allows more adjustment of gamma and the calibration of multiple monitors. I'd like to have it, but the Express version does the job and does it well. That being said, other calibration systems are more highly rated by reviewers, but the Spyder works well for me and my iMac 27 monitor. (It also worked well with my previous frontline monitor, an Apple Cinema Display.) Paul On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). I didn't have a chance to figure out which features are really helpful, and which are just marketing ploy: http://spyder.datacolor.com/s3compare.php Does the Pro version automatically adjust calibration based on the ambient light in real time, or only during the calibration? Also, - how does the multiple display calibration work? Does anybody know? I think I am ready to bite the bullet, - as the monitors I thought were close to calibrated are actually not. Thank you in advance, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-08-03 09:10 , Igor Roshchin wrote: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). i've been shopping for a calibrator too; i have what i think is the the original Spyder, but i haven't found software that will drive it on Mac OS X 10.5 or above the Spyder 3 Express has an attractive price, but i'm put off by notes that none of the Spiders read or adjust luminance; can anyone address how much that might matter? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-08-04 08:04 , Darren Addy wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:22 PM, John Francisjo...@panix.com wrote: An Eye1 doesn't exactly qualify as cheap, though. I suppose that cheap is in the eye of the beholder, but I don't think that $115 is bad: http://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-i1Display-Calibrator-Laptop-Displays/dp/B000JLO31M/ Less expensive than the Spider 3 Pro (with similar 4 star customer reviews). hmmm ... this appears to be a 10-year-old product that is now discontinued and may have problems with current Windows or Mac systems; many of the good reviews are from a few years ago; no wonder it's cheaper Spider 3 Express gets similar 4 star reviews for $66 at the budget end. For similar reviews I like to breakdown the star ratings to get a better picture. i use the reviews on Amazon a lot, but to help avoid being misled i think you have to actually read a good number of them, note when the reviews were posted, look at comments on the glowing or most helpful reviews, and sometimes check the reviewer's other reviews; personally i don't trust the raw star statistics -- often the curve is an inverted bell, with fours, fives, and a cluster of one-star reviews; for the product above the one-stars are where one learns it is discontinued, but often one-stars are whiners who didn't like how something was packaged, had a bad experience with an Amazon partner, or something like that; fives are sometimes useful, and sometimes starry-eyed geek-wannabees or shills; it's the twos, threes and fours from which i often learn the most, and if there are lots of ones but few twos or threes (or none at all), i don't trust the entire spread -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The latest iteration of the Spyder 3 Pro software helps with luminance. It reads it, recommends a target luminance level and walks you through manually adjusting it. Older software versions come on the CD, but after I installed it, I was asked if I wanted to download/install the most recent version. -p On 8/4/2011 1:05 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-08-03 09:10 , Igor Roshchin wrote: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). i've been shopping for a calibrator too; i have what i think is the the original Spyder, but i haven't found software that will drive it on Mac OS X 10.5 or above the Spyder 3 Express has an attractive price, but i'm put off by notes that none of the Spiders read or adjust luminance; can anyone address how much that might matter? -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
From: William Robb On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a brand I knew as one who knows colour. I expect they are all good. My spell checker wants to make your name Rhinoceros... X-Rite also makes the ColorMunki, which appears to be the preferred system in the Windoze world. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3809 - Release Date: 08/03/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:13 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a brand I knew as one who knows colour. I expect they are all good. X-Rite also makes the ColorMunki, which appears to be the preferred system in the Windoze world. The Eye One Display calibration and profiling package (then sold by Gretag-Macbeth, now Xrite) was recommended to me independently by colleagues on both the Displays and ColorSync engineering teams at Apple when I asked them. They had every calibration tool, from the bottom to the top of the market, at their disposal and said that the Eye One Display was both the most consistent and the most reliable. I bought mine (the Eye One Display 2 model by that time) in late 2004 and have been completely satisfied with its performance despite all the system and technology changes it has been updated to manage over the past seven years. It's been replaced by the i1 Display Pro package, which is just about the same price I paid with much more functionality. I don't know how it compares in detail to the ColorMunki model, but I'll likely do the research soon and pick one or the other as my calibration utility since my Eye One Display 2 hardware is getting old and does not support the integration of ambient room lighting into the calibration and profiling. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
Suggestions? I thought those were mandatory, It could be worse I suppose, My spell checker kept wanting to change Theriault to Diphtheria. I never thought Frank was that bad. On 8/4/2011 9:08 AM, Norm Baugher wrote: Do you need to calibrate your monitor for grayscale? Also Bill, my spell checker keeps suggesting a bunch of expletives for your name... Norm From: William Robb On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a brand I knew as one who knows colour. I expect they are all good. My spell checker wants to make your name Rhinoceros... -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). I didn't have a chance to figure out which features are really helpful, and which are just marketing ploy: http://spyder.datacolor.com/s3compare.php Does the Pro version automatically adjust calibration based on the ambient light in real time, or only during the calibration? Also, - how does the multiple display calibration work? Does anybody know? I think I am ready to bite the bullet, - as the monitors I thought were close to calibrated are actually not. Thank you in advance, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
I use the very inexpensive Spyder Express (the older 2 version), and it is quite adequate in that my monitor and my prints are a near perfect match. It will only calibrate one monitor, so I have my large monitor set up as the photo viewing area and use my second monitor just for PhotoShop windows and tools. It adjusts the monitor for the ambient light, so I have to work in the same lighting conditions for best accuracy. I think the main advantage of the Pro device is that it allows more adjustment of gamma and the calibration of multiple monitors. I'd like to have it, but the Express version does the job and does it well. That being said, other calibration systems are more highly rated by reviewers, but the Spyder works well for me and my iMac 27 monitor. (It also worked well with my previous frontline monitor, an Apple Cinema Display.) Paul On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). I didn't have a chance to figure out which features are really helpful, and which are just marketing ploy: http://spyder.datacolor.com/s3compare.php Does the Pro version automatically adjust calibration based on the ambient light in real time, or only during the calibration? Also, - how does the multiple display calibration work? Does anybody know? I think I am ready to bite the bullet, - as the monitors I thought were close to calibrated are actually not. Thank you in advance, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
Yeah, I use the Pro because I have multiple monitors. I've had good luck, except for the last time I did my mac laptop screen something went horribly wrong and everything became vaguely green. Running for the moment on the default profile that came with it until I figure out what went off the rails. Assume it's temporary because it worked with my wife's HP monitor and another big Dell I have at the office. Kind of horrible software user interface, but usually works. -T On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I use the very inexpensive Spyder Express (the older 2 version), and it is quite adequate in that my monitor and my prints are a near perfect match. It will only calibrate one monitor, so I have my large monitor set up as the photo viewing area and use my second monitor just for PhotoShop windows and tools. It adjusts the monitor for the ambient light, so I have to work in the same lighting conditions for best accuracy. I think the main advantage of the Pro device is that it allows more adjustment of gamma and the calibration of multiple monitors. I'd like to have it, but the Express version does the job and does it well. That being said, other calibration systems are more highly rated by reviewers, but the Spyder works well for me and my iMac 27 monitor. (It also worked well with my previous frontline monitor, an Apple Cinema Display.) Paul On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). I didn't have a chance to figure out which features are really helpful, and which are just marketing ploy: http://spyder.datacolor.com/s3compare.php Does the Pro version automatically adjust calibration based on the ambient light in real time, or only during the calibration? Also, - how does the multiple display calibration work? Does anybody know? I think I am ready to bite the bullet, - as the monitors I thought were close to calibrated are actually not. Thank you in advance, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
When I bought my K100Ds my home computer was a Linux box and the only calibration device that seemed to have any support for Linux was Spyder, so I bought a Spyder II. The software to use the spyder was not written by the folks who make it, I was never able to get it to work, and the folks who sell the spyder are actively hostile to people who use Linux. It turns out that they charge significantly more for software upgrades to use their hardware, and that's a big part of their business model: a hardware company that makes money off the software, so unless you buy the expensive software, you're missing out on things that could make your hardware easier to use. I understand their business model, as a customer I don't like it. If I want to calibrate both screens on my system using the lower end software I have to individually set each screen as the primary screen and run the calibration program. Other than that, the spyder II was relatively inexpensive and seems to work well enough. On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). I didn't have a chance to figure out which features are really helpful, and which are just marketing ploy: http://spyder.datacolor.com/s3compare.php Does the Pro version automatically adjust calibration based on the ambient light in real time, or only during the calibration? Also, - how does the multiple display calibration work? Does anybody know? I think I am ready to bite the bullet, - as the monitors I thought were close to calibrated are actually not. Thank you in advance, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a brand I knew as one who knows colour. I expect they are all good. My spell checker wants to make your name Rhinoceros... -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 06:04:30PM -0600, William Robb wrote: On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a brand I knew as one who knows colour. I expect they are all good. An Eye1 doesn't exactly qualify as cheap, though. I'm trying to finesse one as an expensable item. The setup that can calibrate hard copy devices (i.e. printers) as well as monitors runs something like $1400. You can get a camera for that kind of money :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
WTB Kodachrome color calibration target
Anyone have one of these? Kodak #Q-60K3 Color Calibration Target. If you wouldn't mind parting with it, I'd be interested. Thanks. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: LCD monitor color calibration
no, you can't, but you easily get to the point where what looks good on the monitor looks good on the printer with no surprises without changing a thing. the colors have the right relationship to one another and both highlight and shadow detail come out well when printed if they look good on the monitor. i adjust my images to look their best on the monitor and print without further adjustments knowing that they will look very good on my Epson 1280. if i really want them to look as close as possible, i would calibrate the printer too. right now, they look very good without being an exact match. it's impossible to get an exact match because of the different rendering technology. Herb... - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: Re: LCD monitor color calibration But can I match it exactly to my printer? If so, I would be interested. The Apple Cinema Display and Colorsynch afford me that option. And it's virtually plug and play.
Re[2]: LCD monitor color calibration
David wrote: DM The Spyder can profile an LCD if you select native as the white DM point. Then colour-aware applications (eg Photoshop) can use that DM profile as the preview device. Applications that don't support colour DM management won't be helped by profiling. With Win XP, the colour profile generated with the spyder can be assigned to the Display Properties / Colour Management. The change in display is immediate for all applications that can now show correctly images created in sRGB colour space. Of course only colour management enabled applications are capable to display for instance AdobeRGB/ images or to do print preview. DM I don't know how well software-based calibration (eg Adobe Gamma) works DM with LCDs. It doesn't work at all. LCD pixels are too sharp and well separated to obtain true gray; neither can be each channel profiled individually with accuracy. Servus, Alin
Re: LCD monitor color calibration
On 21 Sep 2004 at 18:33, Shel Belinkoff wrote: The Apple Cinnamon is a GREAT monitor. Two other very fine choices are the Sony Artisan and the LaCie Blue. The Artisan is given especially high marks by many. The LaCie electronblue IV is a rebadged NEC Mitsubishi Diamondtron 2070SB that Herb and I have, nice monitor (I also moved up from an NEC 5FG like Herb), Sony stopped importing CRT monitors into Australia over 6 months ago. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: LCD monitor color calibration
On 21 Sep 2004 at 19:26, Matjaz Osojnik wrote: So, what do you guys and gals do? Is the spider the only solution and does it work well with LCD? Any other tips? Any help is really appreciated. The curve required to correctly simulate gamma 1.8 or 2.2 on an LCD is of different shape than those suitable for CRT monitors (most software gamma adjustment tools). Calibration devices designed specifically for LCD like the Colorvision Spyder and the Gretag Eye-One Display will do a much better job but don't expect it to rival a late CRT. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: LCD monitor color calibration
Thanks. I was hoping there is some magic touch out there which can get you closer to a proper calibration. But obviously there are no shortcuts. It is a pity because I really don't have a proper feeling for postprocessing on LCD right now. On CRT I was able to adjust a photograph close to my liking within minutes. Not anymore. Oh, well, I might try with a spyder. Matja On 21 Sep 2004 at 19:26, Matjaz Osojnik wrote: So, what do you guys and gals do? Is the spider the only solution and does it work well with LCD? Any other tips? Any help is really appreciated. The curve required to correctly simulate gamma 1.8 or 2.2 on an LCD is of different shape than those suitable for CRT monitors (most software gamma adjustment tools). Calibration devices designed specifically for LCD like the Colorvision Spyder and the Gretag Eye-One Display will do a much better job but don't expect it to rival a late CRT. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: LCD monitor color calibration
Dave, thanks for reply. LCDs are pretty difficult to calibrate. In general you don't get any control over the colour temperature - it's fixed by the backlight. Yep. I've noticed that. Poor temperature control. Seems now that a LCD dedicated spyder is the only way to go. Al least for a PC based system I have. The Spyder can profile an LCD if you select native as the white point. Then colour-aware applications (eg Photoshop) can use that profile as the preview device. Applications that don't support colour management won't be helped by profiling. As for Gamma calibration tools, on an LCD they seem pretty much useless to me, just like Alin wrote. If you try to repeat the procedure a few times, it just doesn't get any closer. Matja I don't know how well software-based calibration (eg Adobe Gamma) works with LCDs. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: LCD monitor color calibration
Yes, I have a PC machine. Mac tools just can't help me. Matja I guess you're talking about PC monitors?? I'm using an Apple Cinema Display on a Mac G4 dual 1.25. I set my color space to Colorsynch Generic RGB. My monitor is an exact match for my prints. I previously used a CRT, a Sony Trinitron clone. It was okay, but my Apple Cinema Display flat panel shows far more detail. I can see the grain on 4800 dpi scans of 6x7 Ektachrome 100 VS film. I am totally satisfied with this combination. Paul On Sep 21, 2004, at 9:07 PM, Herb Chong wrote: very hard to do on an LCD and that is why i replaced my recently deceased NEC 5FG (13 years old) with a CRT, the NEC Mitsubishi 2070SB. CRTs still give the best color fidelity and dynamic range without viewing angle problems. your LCD is properly calibrated for the correct viewing angle. Herb - Original Message - From: Matjaz Osojnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:26 PM Subject: LCD monitor color calibration So, what do you guys and gals do? Is the spider the only solution and does it work well with LCD? Any other tips? Any help is really appreciated.
Re: LCD monitor color calibration
But can I match it exactly to my printer? If so, I would be interested. The Apple Cinema Display and Colorsynch afford me that option. And it's virtually plug and play. Paul On Sep 21, 2004, at 9:32 PM, Herb Chong wrote: detail isn't what was being talked about. color fidelity was. all LCDs calibrate properly only for the right viewing angle, and the very best LCDs are still noticeably worse than the average CRT for dynamic range. in terms of detail, you have a large display running at high resolution. with my new monitor, i run my desktop at 2048x1536. the detail is there too. LCDs give a slightly crisper image because the discrete pixels are very sharp. a CRT can't match that, but they can be made at higher resolutions than an LCD can be, right now. you haven't see the IBM 200dpi monitors. they are about the same visual resolution as a high quality print. Herb - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:22 PM Subject: Re: LCD monitor color calibration I guess you're talking about PC monitors?? I'm using an Apple Cinema Display on a Mac G4 dual 1.25. I set my color space to Colorsynch Generic RGB. My monitor is an exact match for my prints. I previously used a CRT, a Sony Trinitron clone. It was okay, but my Apple Cinema Display flat panel shows far more detail. I can see the grain on 4800 dpi scans of 6x7 Ektachrome 100 VS film. I am totally satisfied with this combination.
color calibration under Windows
the February Shutterbug magazine has an article on configuring your Windows system for the right color profiles for your monitor, printer, and scanner. he leaves out a lot more than i would like, but it is the best article i have seen in one of the photo magazines recently. http://www.shutterbug.net/features/storyb4ef.html?StoryID=4673 Herb
Re: Color Calibration
Rob Studdert wrote: You'll find that the files probably aren't interchangeable, each batch 35mm or otherwise has it's own specific cal files. Yes, someone else pointed that out earlier. The reference files are on Kodak's FTP site at the following address: ftp://ftp.kodak.com/gastds/q60data/ This address was provided on the info sheet which came with the slide. I seem to recall finding the files after searching Kodak's site (in other words, like a true engineer I didn't read the info sheet). The Index file explains the file naming convention. According to this, mine is an Ektachrome 35mm target manufactured in August 2000. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Color Calibration steps
I just took the first step in color calibration - bought a CRT to run on my laptop. Partly due to the LCD is starting to have a few pixel problems and partly to deal with color calibration. As a side note - I remember when inkjet printers were just coming on strong and rapidly pushed the dot matrix ones out. In looking at monitors, it sure appears that the same thing is occurring. CRT prices are way down and display models are as common as before. Most places I looked had as many LCD's as they did CRT's, if not more. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next year or two, that most CRT's are gone except for a few high end ones. Anyway, back on track - this new KDS XFlat CRT has a color temperature settings for 9300, 6500 and User - set your own mix of colors. If I pick the 6500 setting (supposed daylight - I think), it is quite a bit more yellow than my LCD was. I'm wondering if there are any quick and dirty places to look to just spot check for general color cast before I get into full/real calibration? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Bruce
Re: Color Calibration steps
Bruce Dayton wrote: I'm wondering if there are any quick and dirty places to look to just spot check for general color cast before I get into full/real calibration? Compared to 9300K, which is the usual setting for monitors, 6500K does look very yellow; 5500K even more so. 6500K is recommended as this is the white point for both the sRGB and Adobe RGB working colour spaces. At least one calibration package (OptiCal, which you can get bundled with the Spyder) allows you to do this as a pre-calibration step before calibrating and profiling. You adjust the R/G/B controls on your screen until both the colour temperature and luminance are correct. After that you proceed through the actual calibration and profiling steps. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Color Calibration steps
David, Thanks for the tip. I guess I'm going to have to hurry along with this calibration thing. Bruce Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 9:53:54 PM, you wrote: DAM Bruce Dayton wrote: I'm wondering if there are any quick and dirty places to look to just spot check for general color cast before I get into full/real calibration? DAM Compared to 9300K, which is the usual setting for monitors, 6500K does DAM look very yellow; 5500K even more so. 6500K is recommended as this is DAM the white point for both the sRGB and Adobe RGB working colour spaces. DAM At least one calibration package (OptiCal, which you can get bundled with DAM the Spyder) allows you to do this as a pre-calibration step before DAM calibrating and profiling. You adjust the R/G/B controls on your screen DAM until both the colour temperature and luminance are correct. After that DAM you proceed through the actual calibration and profiling steps. DAM Cheers, DAM - Dave DAM http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Color Calibration
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Could you post a link or two for such free software. Whenever I google for color calibration stuff all I find is service bureaus and (usually expensive) commercial calibration packages. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ try these to start with. http://www.khk.net/color/links.html http://www.targets.coloraid.de/ http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/calibration/kodak_q60/ Herb... If anybody needs an IT 8.7 Scanner Calibration Targets (see http://www.targets.coloraid.de/) I have one for sale at $5 + about $1.50 ship (I paid fifteen with shipping). I bought it for Wiziwyg and found out I needed the one made by Wiziwyg (a lot more expensive). Andre --
Re: Color Calibration
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have one for sale at $5 + about $1.50 ship (I paid fifteen with shipping). I bought it for Wiziwyg and found out I needed the one made by Wiziwyg (a lot more expensive). Andre these have to come with the calibration data. does yours or do you have a place to download it? Herb...
Re: Color Calibration
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have one for sale at $5 + about $1.50 ship (I paid fifteen with shipping). I bought it for Wiziwyg and found out I needed the one made by Wiziwyg (a lot more expensive). Andre these have to come with the calibration data. does yours or do you have a place to download it? Herb... Yes, the calibration data comes on a disc with the printed target. They form a pair. Andre --
Re: Color Calibration
Andre Langevin wrote: Yes, the calibration data comes on a disc with the printed target. They form a pair. That's better than the Kodak IT8 slide (Q60 E3A) I ordered last year, and I got received a slide but no reference file. I wasn't impressed as these slides aren't cheap (I'd hate to think of what the 4x5 slide costs). Luckily the obtainable from the Kodak website somewhere but I had to look pretty hard to find it. If anyone is missing this file I am willing to make it available. It will only be useful if you already have both the slide and the software to make a colour profile for your scanner. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Color Calibration
Anyone heard of the Monaco system? Or are there others that are recommended to investigate? Cost is a consideration as is Laptop/flat panel display - high end Sony. Thanks, Bruce
Re: Color Calibration
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone heard of the Monaco system? Or are there others that are recommended to investigate? Cost is a consideration as is Laptop/flat panel display - high end Sony. Thanks, Bruce very few professionals use LCD panels for photo editing because when you move your head, the color you see changes. as for Monaco, i returned their software after i found it would not calibrate a scan of a photo of a color target, just scans of original color targets. Herb
Re: Color Calibration
Herb, I am aware of the LCD issue, but I have to work on laptops and have not felt like buying a monitor besides. I'm assuming Gamma is the biggest problem with them - at least that seems to be what I notice most. I'm thinking that if I looked at a brightness scale before each time I did work that I could get myself positioned properly. I am curious if any of the spyders work on LCD's? I'm not sure I understand the difference between the photo and the actual color target. Is it something they supply or something you are supposed to buy? Are there other recommendations? Thanks, Bruce Monday, January 13, 2003, 2:44:24 PM, you wrote: HC Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone heard of the Monaco system? Or are there others that are HC recommended to investigate? Cost is a consideration as is Laptop/flat HC panel display - high end Sony. HC Thanks, HC Bruce HC very few professionals use LCD panels for photo editing because when you HC move your head, the color you see changes. as for Monaco, i returned their HC software after i found it would not calibrate a scan of a photo of a color HC target, just scans of original color targets. HC Herb
Re: Color Calibration
Yes, now do yourself a favor and go here: http://www.photonews.net/forums/forums.html and search in Photo Digital. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone heard of the Monaco system? Or are there others that are recommended to investigate? Cost is a consideration as is Laptop/flat panel display - high end Sony.
OT: Color Calibration Question
Thw question is : How do I effectively match color on screen with color on paper? the question is 1/3 solved already. your printer comes with color profiles that you should use to start with. they are designed for the majority of inks and paper combinations made by Epson. your calibration requirements are to calibrate your scanner and monitor until you are getting consistent results from an arbitrary scan through to printed output. until then, stick with Epson's color profiles. you need to pick an RGB working profile for your work. this profile is what all your input gets converted into and what you keep files in. sRGB is standard but lowest in color gamut of the common profiles. Adobe RGB is wider in gamut but is commonly perceived as being flat and less contrasty. there are other ones out there, but until you learn the differences between them, pick one. for output to inkjet printers, there are advantages to using sRGB for a while, but it may mean that if you decide you want another one, you may have to convert ones done using sRGB the next time you work on them or to rescan, depending on how important the loss of gamut is to you. you need to know the color profiles of your scanners. 3rd party scanned files should contain their internal color profiles embedded in the TIFF, JPEG, or Photoshop file. you need a copy of that profile on your computer so that color-aware applications (Photoshop) can use it. if your scanning service bureau can't provide you images with embedded profiles, you will have to be prepared to adjust each image you receive to get good color. if you yourself are scanning negatives, the color profile isn't nearly as important as you have to manipulate the scans so much to get good positives. (subtracting the orange mask, inverting, and then contrast enhancement do a lot of things). if you are scanning positives, a good color profile is crucial. you will need to create a color profile for each film/scanner/filter combination you use. setting up your monitor to display colors accurately also requires a color profile generated for your specific monitor, although if you are fussy enough to care, you will buy a monitor with vendor supplied color profiles as a starting point. no generic monitors here, only top notch brands and upper part of their product lines. whether you get a color profile from the vendor or not, you will want to get a color calibration device and software for calibrating the monitor and the scanner. you have to use software that does color management. for all intents and purposes, that means you use PhotoShop, although Corel PhotoPaint is a well known alternative. you have to set up its color management so that it matches what how you want your images to appear when it has to convert color profiles to and from your working profile. when you are ready to, you will need to use your calibrated scanner to scan printouts of special color targets and create your own color profiles for ink/paper combinations that you use. this may mean doing a lot of printouts on expensive paper and possibly with expensive ink. oh, and BTW, if you do more than a small amount of image manipulation, be prepared to have to work in 16-bit/channel mode in Photoshop. this doubles the size of your files and they can't be saved as JPEGs until you are finished all your manipulations and convert back to 8-bit/channel mode. i don't know if your scanner outputs more than 8-bit/channel, but if it doesn't, you should serious consider getting one that does a lot more. Herb...
