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But I mea culpa'd in the very next message. A true blue American would know that a stars-right flag is correct for the starboard side, while this dinky di Aussie was reacting to a flag that seemed backwards, but has a logical reason for the superficially apparent, but non-existant blunder. regards, Anthony On 17 October 2017 at 10:26, Eric Weir wrote: > >> On Oct 14, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: >> >> I'm Australian and saw it in about ten seconds. How many Americans would it >> have taken before one spotted it. Mike Wilson is English and smelled a rat, >> though I'm not sure he knows why his BS detectors trembled. > > Proof once again that Americans are just not very bright. Certainly not > compared to Australians and Brits. > > -- > Eric Weir > Decatur, GA USA > eew...@bellsouth.net > > (I)t is important that awake people be awake... the darkness around us is > deep. > > - William Stafford > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 17/10/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: >We would have made quite the pair. In 7th grade (72-73) I was about >4'8". I probably came up to about your navel at the time. There were a few girls in a similar situation if I recall... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 18 October 2017 at 02:58 Stanley Halpin > wrote: > > > > > On Oct 17, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > > > > > Steve Cottrell wrote: > >> On 17/10/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> > >>> IIRC Cotty was a year ahead of me in school. If either of us had lived > >>> something less than a mile closer to the other we would have gone to the > >>> same Jr. High School at the same time. > >> > >> Joaquin Miller Jr High. > >> > >> I would have waved hi from the 8th grade lawn ;-) > > > > We would have made quite the pair. In 7th grade (72-73) I was about 4'8". I > > probably came up to about your navel at the time. > > > > I just got to this thread and have read through quickly. Wasn’t it about the > Air Force? What's this about navies? The magnificent dodges and swerves of punning thread drift are both one of the joys of PDML for old hands and, I suspect, why some people last but a fleeting moment. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Steve Cottrell wrote: >> On 17/10/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >>> IIRC Cotty was a year ahead of me in school. If either of us had lived >>> something less than a mile closer to the other we would have gone to the >>> same Jr. High School at the same time. >> >> Joaquin Miller Jr High. >> >> I would have waved hi from the 8th grade lawn ;-) > > We would have made quite the pair. In 7th grade (72-73) I was about 4'8". I > probably came up to about your navel at the time. > I just got to this thread and have read through quickly. Wasn’t it about the Air Force? What's this about navies? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve Cottrell wrote: On 17/10/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: IIRC Cotty was a year ahead of me in school. If either of us had lived something less than a mile closer to the other we would have gone to the same Jr. High School at the same time. Joaquin Miller Jr High. I would have waved hi from the 8th grade lawn ;-) We would have made quite the pair. In 7th grade (72-73) I was about 4'8". I probably came up to about your navel at the time. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 17/10/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: >IIRC Cotty was a year ahead of me in school. If either of us had lived >something less than a mile closer to the other we would have gone to the >same Jr. High School at the same time. Joaquin Miller Jr High. I would have waved hi from the 8th grade lawn ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve Cottrell wrote: On 17/10/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: Cool. You say, "school." High school or college? Made it to the end of my sophomore year at Lynbrook High School IIRC Cotty was a year ahead of me in school. If either of us had lived something less than a mile closer to the other we would have gone to the same Jr. High School at the same time. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 17/10/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: >Cool. You say, "school." High school or college? Made it to the end of my sophomore year at Lynbrook High School -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Speak for yourself. On 10/16/2017 19:26, Eric Weir wrote: On Oct 14, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: I'm Australian and saw it in about ten seconds. How many Americans would it have taken before one spotted it. Mike Wilson is English and smelled a rat, though I'm not sure he knows why his BS detectors trembled. Proof once again that Americans are just not very bright. Certainly not compared to Australians and Brits. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net (I)t is important that awake people be awake... the darkness around us is deep. - William Stafford -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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When painted on the side of ANY vehicle, the US flag is always depicted as if streaming in the wind, i.e. with the field towards the front of the vehicle. Compare the various views shown of left & right sides in Google Images: http://tinyurl.com/yd4dl6ou Nothing in the image is flipped. It's *NOT* a composite. It's a photograph taken by someone who knew the location and knew where to be standing with his camera when Air Force One took off to have a high probability of getting that framing. On 10/14/2017 08:47, Anthony Farr wrote: Recently, because of US flag respect/disrespect controversies, I read the US governments guidelines about the display and handling of the Stars-and-Stripes, or images of it. One of the requirements was that representations of the flag should be imaged as if the flagstaff was on the left, and another was that the starfield should always be on the side nearest the flagstaff. Therefore the starfield should be on the left of the flag on Air Force One's vertical stabiliser. Therefore the image of Air Force One is flipped. However, the image of the Mandalay Bay Hotel is not flipped, because the broken windows are in their correct positions. Therefore, the picture is a composite of a true picture of the hotel and a reversed picture of Air Force One. I'm Australian and saw it in about ten seconds. How many Americans would it have taken before one spotted it. Mike Wilson is English and smelled a rat, though I'm not sure he knows why his BS detectors trembled. regards, Anthony On 14 October 2017 at 08:31, mike wilson wrote: So it looks like the picture is possible after all. I was somethat thrown by the caption, which, as in the article Larry found, says something like "AF1 flies past the broken windows" Clearly, it is flying behind the whole hotel. On 13 October 2017 at 22:18 John wrote: I also found this regarding "right turn" departures from McCarran International Airport. https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/effort-to-change-flights-on-brink/ On 10/13/2017 13:59, mike wilson wrote: On 13 October 2017 at 17:31 John wrote: More likely it would be a right turn departing runway 25R. http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAS Runway 7L/25R (the Airnav sheet has it as 8L/26R) is the longest runway at McCarran. Traffic departing 25R should normally go straight ahead or turn right. It says traffic pattern _left_ which I would expect - away from high population areas. If you do turn right I would expect a very high rate of climb, making the pictures less possible again. Although, as I wrote earlier, traffic rules may not aply to AF1. Some planes are more equal than others, it seems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfield_traffic_pattern You could get that angle of view standing near the Las Vegas Village concert venue's Gate #5 on Giles St and have a pretty good chance that Air Force One would be departing in that direction. 36.095449, -115.170635 -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 9:09 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 17/10/17, ATT, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> But seriously, did you really? > > Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. I was in north > America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which were in Santa > Clara. Cool. You say, “school.” High school or college? Or both? -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net (I)t is important that awake people be awake... the darkness around us is deep. - William Stafford -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 17/10/17, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: >Cotty and I swapped countries (I pretty much left the UK in 1978, and got to >the Us in 1980 with a year-long stopover in New Zealand). But it took me >another 15 years to get to California - I got delayed for a while in New >England. >From hipster to hippy ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty and I swapped countries (I pretty much left the UK in 1978, and got to the Us in 1980 with a year-long stopover in New Zealand). But it took me another 15 years to get to California - I got delayed for a while in New England. On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 09:15:33AM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > Steve said: "Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. > I was in north America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which > were in Santa Clara." > > Oh, you were in Kalifornia. That's not exactly "America" by the standards > of the other states. > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > > On 17/10/17, ATT, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > > >But seriously, did you really? > > > > Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. I was in > > north America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which were in > > Santa Clara. > > > > -- > > > > > > Cheers, > > Cotty > > > > > > ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and > > || (O) |Live Broadcast News > > -- > > _ > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 7:16 AM Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > Steve said: "Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. > I was in north America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which > were in Santa Clara." > > Oh, you were in Kalifornia. That's not exactly "America" by the standards > of the other states. > Yup. California isn’t trying to take the USA back to the 1950s. Lynched any Negros lately? > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Steve Cottrell > wrote: > > > On 17/10/17, ATT, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > > >But seriously, did you really? > > > > Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. I was in > > north America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which were > in > > Santa Clara. > > > > -- > > > > > > Cheers, > > Cotty > > > > > > ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and > > || (O) |Live Broadcast News > > -- > > _ > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > Oh, you were in Kalifornia. That's not exactly "America" by the standards > of the other states. Truer to America than you know who and where. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net “There have to be many commonly accepted truths before we can raise the possibility of error.” - Richard Rorty -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve said: "Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. I was in north America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which were in Santa Clara." Oh, you were in Kalifornia. That's not exactly "America" by the standards of the other states. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > On 17/10/17, ATT, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >But seriously, did you really? > > Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. I was in > north America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which were in > Santa Clara. > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and > || (O) |Live Broadcast News > -- > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 17/10/17, ATT, discombobulated, unleashed: >But seriously, did you really? Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. I was in north America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which were in Santa Clara. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 16/10/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Proof once again that Americans are just not very bright. Certainly not >> compared to Australians and Brits. > > Hey my caveat is that I grew up in the USA. That should count for something > surely. Wow! And yet you thrived. Amazing. But seriously, did you really? -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net "Imagining the other is a powerful antidote to fanaticism and hatred." - Amos Oz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 16/10/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Proof once again that Americans are just not very bright. Certainly not >> compared to Australians and Brits. > > Hey my caveat is that I grew up in the USA. That should count for something > surely. Wow! And yet you thrived. Amazing. But seriously, did you really? Regards, Eric -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 16/10/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: >Proof once again that Americans are just not very bright. Certainly not >compared to Australians and Brits. Hey my caveat is that I grew up in the USA. That should count for something surely. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Oct 14, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: > > I'm Australian and saw it in about ten seconds. How many Americans would it > have taken before one spotted it. Mike Wilson is English and smelled a rat, > though I'm not sure he knows why his BS detectors trembled. Proof once again that Americans are just not very bright. Certainly not compared to Australians and Brits. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net (I)t is important that awake people be awake... the darkness around us is deep. - William Stafford -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What I was confused by are two things: 1. That building corner "flattened" looks too flat. But maybe that's due to the compression by the long lens used. 2. The sape of the broken window on the left. If you compare photos #3 and #4 here: http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-shooting-mandalay-bay-photos-windows-smashed-2017-10 apparently, it looks the shape is the same as in #3, but not as in #4 (and #1), - i.e. it doesn't have the "side" tail. But if you click on #2 to zoom in, - you can see that that triangular "tail" is created by a curtain or something like that. PS. Here is how the window was replaced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgknEkicjIg Igor Paul Stenquist Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:13:58 -0700 wrote: Yep. Still broken when the photo was taken. Paul via phone On Oct 12, 2017, at 9:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: The windows have already been replaced, according to news reports. Ann asked about the article: https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/trump-visits-las-vegas-idUSRTS1F5J0 The caption for the photo says: Air Force One departs Las Vegas past the broken windows on the Mandalay Bay hotel, where shooter Stephen Paddock conducted his mass shooting along the Las Vegas Strip in Las Vegas, Nevada. REUTERS/Mike Blake -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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and I didn't even know it -was- Air Force One - all the stuff on the plane is blurry what bothered me most was the size of the plane and it's proximity to the building and what I already said to mike :-) But if you showed me a photo of Air force one on the ground, without a POTUS emerging from it, all I'd see is "big air plane" ann I On 10/14/2017 8:47 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: Recently, because of US flag respect/disrespect controversies, I read the US governments guidelines about the display and handling of the Stars-and-Stripes, or images of it. One of the requirements was that representations of the flag should be imaged as if the flagstaff was on the left, and another was that the starfield should always be on the side nearest the flagstaff. Therefore the starfield should be on the left of the flag on Air Force One's vertical stabiliser. Therefore the image of Air Force One is flipped. However, the image of the Mandalay Bay Hotel is not flipped, because the broken windows are in their correct positions. Therefore, the picture is a composite of a true picture of the hotel and a reversed picture of Air Force One. I'm Australian and saw it in about ten seconds. How many Americans would it have taken before one spotted it. Mike Wilson is English and smelled a rat, though I'm not sure he knows why his BS detectors trembled. regards, Anthony On 14 October 2017 at 08:31, mike wilson wrote: So it looks like the picture is possible after all. I was somethat thrown by the caption, which, as in the article Larry found, says something like "AF1 flies past the broken windows" Clearly, it is flying behind the whole hotel. On 13 October 2017 at 22:18 John wrote: I also found this regarding "right turn" departures from McCarran International Airport. https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/effort-to-change-flights-on-brink/ On 10/13/2017 13:59, mike wilson wrote: On 13 October 2017 at 17:31 John wrote: More likely it would be a right turn departing runway 25R. http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAS Runway 7L/25R (the Airnav sheet has it as 8L/26R) is the longest runway at McCarran. Traffic departing 25R should normally go straight ahead or turn right. It says traffic pattern _left_ which I would expect - away from high population areas. If you do turn right I would expect a very high rate of climb, making the pictures less possible again. Although, as I wrote earlier, traffic rules may not aply to AF1. Some planes are more equal than others, it seems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfield_traffic_pattern You could get that angle of view standing near the Las Vegas Village concert venue's Gate #5 on Giles St and have a pretty good chance that Air Force One would be departing in that direction. 36.095449, -115.170635 -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 14 October 2017 at 14:31 Steve Cottrell wrote: > > > On 14/10/17, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Well, I just checked images of Air Force One, and it does indeed display > >the flag stars to the right on the starboard side. It must be an exception > >to the protocol so that the flag "flutters" behind the imaginary flagstaff > >in the correct direction of travel. > >Disregard my previous comment, sigh > > I'm surprised Trump's not repealed the flag fluttering direction. > > Or the wind for that matter. As a representation of a flag fluttering in the wind, it's clearly suffering from false wind and therefore entirely in keeping with Tweety's modus operandi. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14/10/17, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed: >Well, I just checked images of Air Force One, and it does indeed display >the flag stars to the right on the starboard side. It must be an exception >to the protocol so that the flag "flutters" behind the imaginary flagstaff >in the correct direction of travel. >Disregard my previous comment, sigh I'm surprised Trump's not repealed the flag fluttering direction. Or the wind for that matter. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, I just checked images of Air Force One, and it does indeed display the flag stars to the right on the starboard side. It must be an exception to the protocol so that the flag "flutters" behind the imaginary flagstaff in the correct direction of travel. Disregard my previous comment, sigh regards, Anthony On 14 October 2017 at 23:47, Anthony Farr wrote: > Recently, because of US flag respect/disrespect controversies, I read the > US governments guidelines about the display and handling of the > Stars-and-Stripes, or images of it. One of the requirements was that > representations of the flag should be imaged as if the flagstaff was on the > left, and another was that the starfield should always be on the side > nearest the flagstaff. Therefore the starfield should be on the left of the > flag on Air Force One's vertical stabiliser. Therefore the image of Air > Force One is flipped. > However, the image of the Mandalay Bay Hotel is not flipped, because the > broken windows are in their correct positions. > Therefore, the picture is a composite of a true picture of the hotel and a > reversed picture of Air Force One. > I'm Australian and saw it in about ten seconds. How many Americans would > it have taken before one spotted it. Mike Wilson is English and smelled a > rat, though I'm not sure he knows why his BS detectors trembled. > > regards, Anthony > > On 14 October 2017 at 08:31, mike wilson wrote: > >> So it looks like the picture is possible after all. I was somethat >> thrown by >> the caption, which, as in the article Larry found, says something like >> "AF1 >> flies past the broken windows" Clearly, it is flying behind the whole >> hotel. >> >> > On 13 October 2017 at 22:18 John wrote: >> > >> > >> > I also found this regarding "right turn" departures from McCarran >> > International Airport. >> > >> > https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/effort-to-change-flights-on-brink/ >> > >> > >> > On 10/13/2017 13:59, mike wilson wrote: >> > >> On 13 October 2017 at 17:31 John wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> More likely it would be a right turn departing runway 25R. >> > >> >> > >> http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAS >> > >> >> > >> Runway 7L/25R (the Airnav sheet has it as 8L/26R) is the longest >> runway at >> > >> McCarran. Traffic departing 25R should normally go straight ahead or >> turn >> > >> right. >> > > >> > > It says traffic pattern _left_ which I would expect - away from high >> > > population >> > > areas. If you do turn right I would expect a very high rate of climb, >> > > making >> > > the pictures less possible again. Although, as I wrote earlier, >> traffic >> > > rules >> > > may not aply to AF1. Some planes are more equal than others, it >> seems. >> > > >> > >> >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfield_traffic_pattern >> > >> >> > >> You could get that angle of view standing near the Las Vegas Village >> > >> concert >> > >> venue's Gate #5 on Giles St and have a pretty good chance that Air >> Force >> > >> One >> > >> would be departing in that direction. >> > >> >> > >> 36.095449, -115.170635 >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > -- >> > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >> > Religion - Answers we must never question. >> > >> > -- >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> > PDML@pdml.net >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow >> > the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Recently, because of US flag respect/disrespect controversies, I read the US governments guidelines about the display and handling of the Stars-and-Stripes, or images of it. One of the requirements was that representations of the flag should be imaged as if the flagstaff was on the left, and another was that the starfield should always be on the side nearest the flagstaff. Therefore the starfield should be on the left of the flag on Air Force One's vertical stabiliser. Therefore the image of Air Force One is flipped. However, the image of the Mandalay Bay Hotel is not flipped, because the broken windows are in their correct positions. Therefore, the picture is a composite of a true picture of the hotel and a reversed picture of Air Force One. I'm Australian and saw it in about ten seconds. How many Americans would it have taken before one spotted it. Mike Wilson is English and smelled a rat, though I'm not sure he knows why his BS detectors trembled. regards, Anthony On 14 October 2017 at 08:31, mike wilson wrote: > So it looks like the picture is possible after all. I was somethat thrown > by > the caption, which, as in the article Larry found, says something like "AF1 > flies past the broken windows" Clearly, it is flying behind the whole > hotel. > > > On 13 October 2017 at 22:18 John wrote: > > > > > > I also found this regarding "right turn" departures from McCarran > > International Airport. > > > > https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/effort-to-change-flights-on-brink/ > > > > > > On 10/13/2017 13:59, mike wilson wrote: > > >> On 13 October 2017 at 17:31 John wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> More likely it would be a right turn departing runway 25R. > > >> > > >> http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAS > > >> > > >> Runway 7L/25R (the Airnav sheet has it as 8L/26R) is the longest > runway at > > >> McCarran. Traffic departing 25R should normally go straight ahead or > turn > > >> right. > > > > > > It says traffic pattern _left_ which I would expect - away from high > > > population > > > areas. If you do turn right I would expect a very high rate of climb, > > > making > > > the pictures less possible again. Although, as I wrote earlier, > traffic > > > rules > > > may not aply to AF1. Some planes are more equal than others, it seems. > > > > > >> > > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfield_traffic_pattern > > >> > > >> You could get that angle of view standing near the Las Vegas Village > > >> concert > > >> venue's Gate #5 on Giles St and have a pretty good chance that Air > Force > > >> One > > >> would be departing in that direction. > > >> > > >> 36.095449, -115.170635 > > >> > > >> > > > > -- > > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow > > the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So it looks like the picture is possible after all. I was somethat thrown by the caption, which, as in the article Larry found, says something like "AF1 flies past the broken windows" Clearly, it is flying behind the whole hotel. > On 13 October 2017 at 22:18 John wrote: > > > I also found this regarding "right turn" departures from McCarran > International Airport. > > https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/effort-to-change-flights-on-brink/ > > > On 10/13/2017 13:59, mike wilson wrote: > >> On 13 October 2017 at 17:31 John wrote: > >> > >> > >> More likely it would be a right turn departing runway 25R. > >> > >> http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAS > >> > >> Runway 7L/25R (the Airnav sheet has it as 8L/26R) is the longest runway at > >> McCarran. Traffic departing 25R should normally go straight ahead or turn > >> right. > > > > It says traffic pattern _left_ which I would expect - away from high > > population > > areas. If you do turn right I would expect a very high rate of climb, > > making > > the pictures less possible again. Although, as I wrote earlier, traffic > > rules > > may not aply to AF1. Some planes are more equal than others, it seems. > > > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfield_traffic_pattern > >> > >> You could get that angle of view standing near the Las Vegas Village > >> concert > >> venue's Gate #5 on Giles St and have a pretty good chance that Air Force > >> One > >> would be departing in that direction. > >> > >> 36.095449, -115.170635 > >> > >> > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I also found this regarding "right turn" departures from McCarran International Airport. https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/effort-to-change-flights-on-brink/ On 10/13/2017 13:59, mike wilson wrote: On 13 October 2017 at 17:31 John wrote: More likely it would be a right turn departing runway 25R. http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAS Runway 7L/25R (the Airnav sheet has it as 8L/26R) is the longest runway at McCarran. Traffic departing 25R should normally go straight ahead or turn right. It says traffic pattern _left_ which I would expect - away from high population areas. If you do turn right I would expect a very high rate of climb, making the pictures less possible again. Although, as I wrote earlier, traffic rules may not aply to AF1. Some planes are more equal than others, it seems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfield_traffic_pattern You could get that angle of view standing near the Las Vegas Village concert venue's Gate #5 on Giles St and have a pretty good chance that Air Force One would be departing in that direction. 36.095449, -115.170635 -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 13 October 2017 at 17:31 John wrote: > > > More likely it would be a right turn departing runway 25R. > > http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAS > > Runway 7L/25R (the Airnav sheet has it as 8L/26R) is the longest runway at > McCarran. Traffic departing 25R should normally go straight ahead or turn > right. It says traffic pattern _left_ which I would expect - away from high population areas. If you do turn right I would expect a very high rate of climb, making the pictures less possible again. Although, as I wrote earlier, traffic rules may not aply to AF1. Some planes are more equal than others, it seems. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfield_traffic_pattern > > You could get that angle of view standing near the Las Vegas Village concert > venue's Gate #5 on Giles St and have a pretty good chance that Air Force One > would be departing in that direction. > > 36.095449, -115.170635 > > > On 10/12/2017 17:19, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> Photoshopped or not, I don't get the point other than it's Air Force One > >> and the hotel. Is it meant to imply that Trump dropped this guy off and > >> told him to kill 58 country music fans, most of whom I would guess are > >> Trump voters? > > > > The article it's from was about Trump visiting Las Vegas. It's a photo that > > captures both Trump and the reason he was in Las Vegas. > > > >> > >> Paul via phone > >> > >>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 4:59 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > >>> > >>> The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction > >>> given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than > >>> that.. but it is surely a photoshop paste job. > > > > I'm not so sure of that. I took a look on the map > > https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mandalay+Bay/@36.0869256,-115.1810502,14.63z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x80c8c5cffb824261:0x97f68a25c5b4ddef!8m2!3d36.0918777!4d-115.175245 > > > > and taking off from 1R or 1L could have the plane in that configuration > > compared to the hotel. A sufficiently long lens could give the compression > > of perspective that would make the plane seem a lot closer than that. > > > > > >>> > >>> ann > >>> > On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: > What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? > > https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Reuters is probably more sensitive since they've already been burned a couple of times in the 2006 Lebanon War. On 10/12/2017 19:37, Paul Stenquist wrote: I see some leaping to conclusions here, but it's not important. I know I wouldn't risk faking a photo for the Times. They would pull my credentials permanently if I were caught. Don't know what Reuters policy is, but I would think it's similar. Of course that doesn't mean someone wouldn't make the attempt for a good payday. Paul via phone On Oct 12, 2017, at 6:27 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: Well I did kinda live there for a while so had some advantage ann On 10/12/2017 6:14 PM, mike wilson wrote: On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so the plane should be much larger. Naughty Reuters. On 12 October 2017 at 21:59 ann sanfedele wrote: The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than that.. but it is surely a photoshop paste job. ann On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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McCarran International has more than one runway. On 10/12/2017 18:14, mike wilson wrote: On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so the plane should be much larger. Naughty Reuters. On 12 October 2017 at 21:59 ann sanfedele wrote: The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than that.. but it is surely a photoshop paste job. ann On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/12/2017 17:29, Larry Colen wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Okay. So the debate is in regard to whether or not it's photoshopped. Why do we care? There is some aspect of "can we trust the news?", but for me it's mostly interesting as a puzzle. Could that picture have been taken? Yes. Stand here 36.095449, -115.170635 Focus on that corner of the building and you've got a good chance any aircraft departing runway 25R at McCarran International Airport will turn right and be framed by the Mandalay Bay hotel as it climbs out. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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More likely it would be a right turn departing runway 25R. http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAS Runway 7L/25R (the Airnav sheet has it as 8L/26R) is the longest runway at McCarran. Traffic departing 25R should normally go straight ahead or turn right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfield_traffic_pattern You could get that angle of view standing near the Las Vegas Village concert venue's Gate #5 on Giles St and have a pretty good chance that Air Force One would be departing in that direction. 36.095449, -115.170635 On 10/12/2017 17:19, Larry Colen wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Photoshopped or not, I don't get the point other than it's Air Force One and the hotel. Is it meant to imply that Trump dropped this guy off and told him to kill 58 country music fans, most of whom I would guess are Trump voters? The article it's from was about Trump visiting Las Vegas. It's a photo that captures both Trump and the reason he was in Las Vegas. Paul via phone On Oct 12, 2017, at 4:59 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than that.. but it is surely a photoshop paste job. I'm not so sure of that. I took a look on the map https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mandalay+Bay/@36.0869256,-115.1810502,14.63z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x80c8c5cffb824261:0x97f68a25c5b4ddef!8m2!3d36.0918777!4d-115.175245 and taking off from 1R or 1L could have the plane in that configuration compared to the hotel. A sufficiently long lens could give the compression of perspective that would make the plane seem a lot closer than that. ann On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 13 October 2017 at 01:33 ann sanfedele wrote: > > > Yeah - kinda what I said... but there is another reason... The planes > _usually_ take off to the west, because of the prevailing winds ... > > Mike - where is the article that these photos were in? It was on the BBC news site. I can't find the article on a quick search. > > ann > > On 10/12/2017 6:54 PM, John Francis wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so > >> the photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from > >> day to day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. > > The hotel may have been close to the airport, but from the news coverage we > > learn that the shooter was able to fire rounds that struck fuel storage > > tanks on the airport. This means the fuel storage would be visible from the > > side of the hotel with the broken windows. Air Force One appears to be on > > the other side of the hotel. As the hotel is on the Las Vegas strip, and > > not in the middle of the airport, this strongly suggests that to get such a > > photograph isn't actually possible. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 13 October 2017 at 00:07 Larry Colen wrote: > > John Francis wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so > >> the photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from > >> day to day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. > > > > The hotel may have been close to the airport, but from the news coverage we > > learn that the shooter was able to fire rounds that struck fuel storage > > tanks on the airport. This means the fuel storage would be visible from the > > side of the hotel with the broken windows. Air Force One appears to be on > > the other side of the hotel. As the hotel is on the Las Vegas strip, and > > not in the middle of the airport, this strongly suggests that to get such a > > photograph isn't actually possible. > > > > What if the photo was taken from between the airport and the hotel, and > the plane took off from runway 19, flying past the hotel and over the strip? > I wondered about that but a) I think it would be much higher and b) most planes seem to turn left, away from travelling further over high density population. Normal rules may not apply to AF1, of course. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 12 October 2017 at 23:27 Steve Cottrell wrote: > > > On 12/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so > >the plane > >should be much larger. > > Did you not know that a half-scale replica model of Air Force One always flies > 30 seconds in front of the real Air Force one to act as a decoy in the event > of a missile strike? And that a half-scale replica of the replica actually > flies in front of that replica just for show? No; but I understand the replanned new one will have exceptionally small wings. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yep. Still broken when the photo was taken. Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 9:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: >> The windows have already been replaced, according to news reports. > > Ann asked about the article: > https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/trump-visits-las-vegas-idUSRTS1F5J0 > > The caption for the photo says: > Air Force One departs Las Vegas past the broken windows on the Mandalay Bay > hotel, where shooter Stephen Paddock conducted his mass shooting along the > Las Vegas Strip in Las Vegas, Nevada. REUTERS/Mike Blake > >> >> Paul via phone >> On Oct 12, 2017, at 6:54 PM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so the photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from day to day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. >>> The hotel may have been close to the airport, but from the news coverage we >>> learn that the shooter was able to fire rounds that struck fuel storage >>> tanks on the airport. This means the fuel storage would be visible from the >>> side of the hotel with the broken windows. Air Force One appears to be on >>> the other side of the hotel. As the hotel is on the Las Vegas strip, and >>> not in the middle of the airport, this strongly suggests that to get such a >>> photograph isn't actually possible. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote: The windows have already been replaced, according to news reports. Ann asked about the article: https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/trump-visits-las-vegas-idUSRTS1F5J0 The caption for the photo says: Air Force One departs Las Vegas past the broken windows on the Mandalay Bay hotel, where shooter Stephen Paddock conducted his mass shooting along the Las Vegas Strip in Las Vegas, Nevada. REUTERS/Mike Blake Paul via phone On Oct 12, 2017, at 6:54 PM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so the photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from day to day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. The hotel may have been close to the airport, but from the news coverage we learn that the shooter was able to fire rounds that struck fuel storage tanks on the airport. This means the fuel storage would be visible from the side of the hotel with the broken windows. Air Force One appears to be on the other side of the hotel. As the hotel is on the Las Vegas strip, and not in the middle of the airport, this strongly suggests that to get such a photograph isn't actually possible. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah - kinda what I said... but there is another reason... The planes _usually_ take off to the west, because of the prevailing winds ... Mike - where is the article that these photos were in? ann On 10/12/2017 6:54 PM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so the photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from day to day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. The hotel may have been close to the airport, but from the news coverage we learn that the shooter was able to fire rounds that struck fuel storage tanks on the airport. This means the fuel storage would be visible from the side of the hotel with the broken windows. Air Force One appears to be on the other side of the hotel. As the hotel is on the Las Vegas strip, and not in the middle of the airport, this strongly suggests that to get such a photograph isn't actually possible. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John and I came to same conclusion from slightly different , um, angles... OTOH.. couldn't it be that Reuter's never intended the photos to be viewed as one? ann On 10/12/2017 6:54 PM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so the photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from day to day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. The hotel may have been close to the airport, but from the news coverage we learn that the shooter was able to fire rounds that struck fuel storage tanks on the airport. This means the fuel storage would be visible from the side of the hotel with the broken windows. Air Force One appears to be on the other side of the hotel. As the hotel is on the Las Vegas strip, and not in the middle of the airport, this strongly suggests that to get such a photograph isn't actually possible. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The windows have already been replaced, according to news reports. Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 6:54 PM, John Francis wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so the >> photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from day to >> day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. > > The hotel may have been close to the airport, but from the news coverage we > learn that the shooter was able to fire rounds that struck fuel storage tanks > on the airport. This means the fuel storage would be visible from the side of > the hotel with the broken windows. Air Force One appears to be on the other > side of the hotel. As the hotel is on the Las Vegas strip, and not in the > middle of the airport, this strongly suggests that to get such a photograph > isn't actually possible. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I see some leaping to conclusions here, but it's not important. I know I wouldn't risk faking a photo for the Times. They would pull my credentials permanently if I were caught. Don't know what Reuters policy is, but I would think it's similar. Of course that doesn't mean someone wouldn't make the attempt for a good payday. Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 6:27 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > Well I did kinda live there for a while so had some advantage > > ann > >> On 10/12/2017 6:14 PM, mike wilson wrote: >> On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so the >> plane >> should be much larger. Naughty Reuters. >> >>> On 12 October 2017 at 21:59 ann sanfedele wrote: >>> >>> >>> The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction >>> given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than >>> that.. but it is surely a photoshop paste job. >>> >>> ann >>> On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow >>> the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Francis wrote: On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so the photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from day to day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. The hotel may have been close to the airport, but from the news coverage we learn that the shooter was able to fire rounds that struck fuel storage tanks on the airport. This means the fuel storage would be visible from the side of the hotel with the broken windows. Air Force One appears to be on the other side of the hotel. As the hotel is on the Las Vegas strip, and not in the middle of the airport, this strongly suggests that to get such a photograph isn't actually possible. What if the photo was taken from between the airport and the hotel, and the plane took off from runway 19, flying past the hotel and over the strip? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 05:29:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so the > photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from day to > day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. The hotel may have been close to the airport, but from the news coverage we learn that the shooter was able to fire rounds that struck fuel storage tanks on the airport. This means the fuel storage would be visible from the side of the hotel with the broken windows. Air Force One appears to be on the other side of the hotel. As the hotel is on the Las Vegas strip, and not in the middle of the airport, this strongly suggests that to get such a photograph isn't actually possible. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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mike wilson wrote: >On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so the >plane >should be much larger. Naughty Reuters. Oh, and Reuters is the agency that banned their photographers from shooting raw in the name of photographic integrity. That makes it a double LOL. >> On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: >> > What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? >> > >> > https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes - that is how I viewed it - a picture puzzle. ann On 10/12/2017 5:29 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Okay. So the debate is in regard to whether or not it's photoshopped. Why do we care? There is some aspect of "can we trust the news?", but for me it's mostly interesting as a puzzle. Could that picture have been taken? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 12/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: >On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so >the plane >should be much larger. Did you not know that a half-scale replica model of Air Force One always flies 30 seconds in front of the real Air Force one to act as a decoy in the event of a missile strike? And that a half-scale replica of the replica actually flies in front of that replica just for show? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well I did kinda live there for a while so had some advantage ann On 10/12/2017 6:14 PM, mike wilson wrote: On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so the plane should be much larger. Naughty Reuters. On 12 October 2017 at 21:59 ann sanfedele wrote: The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than that.. but it is surely a photoshop paste job. ann On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul - the side of the building with the broken pieces are facing the runways on Mccaren.. the plane would not be going up from where there was not airport I didn't know it was air force one - can only see it is a plane... On 10/12/2017 5:29 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so the photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from day to day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. Paul via phone On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Photoshopped or not, I don't get the point other than it's Air Force One and the hotel. Is it meant to imply that Trump dropped this guy off and told him to kill 58 country music fans, most of whom I would guess are Trump voters? The article it's from was about Trump visiting Las Vegas. It's a photo that captures both Trump and the reason he was in Las Vegas. Paul via phone On Oct 12, 2017, at 4:59 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than that.. but it is surely a photoshop paste job. I'm not so sure of that. I took a look on the map https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mandalay+Bay/@36.0869256,-115.1810502,14.63z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x80c8c5cffb824261:0x97f68a25c5b4ddef!8m2!3d36.0918777!4d-115.175245 and taking off from 1R or 1L could have the plane in that configuration compared to the hotel. A sufficiently long lens could give the compression of perspective that would make the plane seem a lot closer than that. ann On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On the nail. The runway is on the same side as the photo was taken so the plane should be much larger. Naughty Reuters. > On 12 October 2017 at 21:59 ann sanfedele wrote: > > > The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction > given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than > that.. but it is surely a photoshop paste job. > > ann > > On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: > > What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? > > > > https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think it could have been taken, given the location of the airport and the three tower architecture of the hotel. The DOF seems about right for a lens of 300 to 400 mm. Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:29 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Okay. So the debate is in regard to whether or not it's photoshopped. Why do >> we care? > > There is some aspect of "can we trust the news?", but for me it's mostly > interesting as a puzzle. Could that picture have been taken? > > >> > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote: Okay. So the debate is in regard to whether or not it's photoshopped. Why do we care? There is some aspect of "can we trust the news?", but for me it's mostly interesting as a puzzle. Could that picture have been taken? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Google maps shows the hotel within a quarter mile or so of the hotel, so the photo is obviously possible. Take off runways and direction vary from day to day and even hour to hour depending on wind direction and velocity. Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Photoshopped or not, I don't get the point other than it's Air Force One and >> the hotel. Is it meant to imply that Trump dropped this guy off and told him >> to kill 58 country music fans, most of whom I would guess are Trump voters? > > The article it's from was about Trump visiting Las Vegas. It's a photo that > captures both Trump and the reason he was in Las Vegas. > >> >> Paul via phone >> >>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 4:59 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: >>> >>> The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction >>> given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than that.. >>> but it is surely a photoshop paste job. > > I'm not so sure of that. I took a look on the map > https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mandalay+Bay/@36.0869256,-115.1810502,14.63z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x80c8c5cffb824261:0x97f68a25c5b4ddef!8m2!3d36.0918777!4d-115.175245 > > and taking off from 1R or 1L could have the plane in that configuration > compared to the hotel. A sufficiently long lens could give the compression of > perspective that would make the plane seem a lot closer than that. > > >>> >>> ann >>> On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Okay. So the debate is in regard to whether or not it's photoshopped. Why do we care? Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Photoshopped or not, I don't get the point other than it's Air Force One and >> the hotel. Is it meant to imply that Trump dropped this guy off and told him >> to kill 58 country music fans, most of whom I would guess are Trump voters? > > The article it's from was about Trump visiting Las Vegas. It's a photo that > captures both Trump and the reason he was in Las Vegas. > >> >> Paul via phone >> >>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 4:59 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: >>> >>> The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction >>> given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than that.. >>> but it is surely a photoshop paste job. > > I'm not so sure of that. I took a look on the map > https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mandalay+Bay/@36.0869256,-115.1810502,14.63z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x80c8c5cffb824261:0x97f68a25c5b4ddef!8m2!3d36.0918777!4d-115.175245 > > and taking off from 1R or 1L could have the plane in that configuration > compared to the hotel. A sufficiently long lens could give the compression of > perspective that would make the plane seem a lot closer than that. > > >>> >>> ann >>> On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote: Photoshopped or not, I don't get the point other than it's Air Force One and the hotel. Is it meant to imply that Trump dropped this guy off and told him to kill 58 country music fans, most of whom I would guess are Trump voters? The article it's from was about Trump visiting Las Vegas. It's a photo that captures both Trump and the reason he was in Las Vegas. Paul via phone On Oct 12, 2017, at 4:59 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than that.. but it is surely a photoshop paste job. I'm not so sure of that. I took a look on the map https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mandalay+Bay/@36.0869256,-115.1810502,14.63z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x80c8c5cffb824261:0x97f68a25c5b4ddef!8m2!3d36.0918777!4d-115.175245 and taking off from 1R or 1L could have the plane in that configuration compared to the hotel. A sufficiently long lens could give the compression of perspective that would make the plane seem a lot closer than that. ann On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Photoshopped or not, I don't get the point other than it's Air Force One and the hotel. Is it meant to imply that Trump dropped this guy off and told him to kill 58 country music fans, most of whom I would guess are Trump voters? Paul via phone > On Oct 12, 2017, at 4:59 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction > given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than that.. > but it is surely a photoshop paste job. > > ann > >> On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: >> What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? >> >> https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The plane could not be at that altitude and going -up- in that direction given where the hotel is and the airport is.. may be more wrong than that.. but it is surely a photoshop paste job. ann On 10/12/2017 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_hi042190292.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There's no convenient line of sight that includes the flight path of Air Force One and Mandalay Bay? On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:18 PM, mike wilson wrote: > What's wrong with this Reuter's pic? > > https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8A4C/production/_98140453_ > hi042190292.jpg > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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