Re: Photo.net no more
From: Stan Halpin What some of us object to is the big pop-up that appears about 1 second into the page-load process. The pop-up covers about 80-90% of the window and (for me at least) is blank. Presumably, if I wait long enough, some advertising pitch will appear in that pop-up. I have never waited long enough to find out, I just close the photo.net window and go on to something else. Ok, I have never seen that. I don't even get the little bar across the top that I occasionally get from other sites that says Firefox has prevented this site from opening a pop-up window. I wonder if maybe I got a pop-up form Photo.net one time years ago just told Firefox I didn't want to allow Photo.net to open pop-up windows. Does anyone know if Firefox will do that; just allow you to designate a site to never open a pop-up and don't ask me again? - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
You need a space in there between 127.0.0.1 and ads.doubleclick.net. The line should read: 127.0.0.1 ads.doubleclick.net Comments in the hosts file begin with '#' There's a good site for pre-written hosts files: http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm Also contains a lot of troubleshooting information. Apparently Windows Vista and Windows 7 don't want to let you make changes to the hosts file. From: Ecke PDML In Windows, open C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts in notepad and add a line that says 127.0.0.1ads.doubleclick.net then restart your computer and links to that server will go straight to nirvana =) 2011/6/29 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Bruce, Oh you gotta give us more details on that! Regards, ?Bob S. On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 11-06-27 1:09 PM, Tim Bray wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. ?It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. [...] I'm no fan of photo.net, but I've never seen these popups and I see very few of the banner ads, so I've been a bit puzzled about all the fuss. So while looking at Dave Brooks' latest shots I investigated to see what was happening -- of course! ?Years ago I configured my DSL router (pfSense) to return host not found replies to all domain-name lookups for doubleclick.net, which happens to cover the majority of ads at photo.net. ?So no popups, and empty whitespace where the banner ads usually go for all the computers in the house. ?DNS proxies are a wonderful thing. ;-) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
From: drd1...@gmail.com I think I'll just continue to cuss at the ad. Carry on, gentlefolk. Or you could go to http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm and download the batch file that will automatically install a new hosts file that has a current list of most abuse sites. If you have an existing hosts file the batch file renames it saves it as a backup before installing the new file. I've been using the mvps.org hosts file for almost 10 years now, and it's saved a lot of aggravation. I try to remember to update it about every six months or so. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3734 - Release Date: 06/29/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:27 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: drd1...@gmail.com I think I'll just continue to cuss at the ad. Carry on, gentlefolk. Or you could go to http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm and download the batch file that will automatically install a new hosts file that has a current list of most abuse sites. Or use Adblock Plus for Firefox or Chrome, which can automatically fetch blocklist updates, and is capable of finer-grained blocking than a hosts file (e.g., blocking the /ads/ subdirectory of a website, without blocking everything else). http://adblockplus.org/en/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
On 2011-06-30 16:40 , John Sessoms wrote: I don't even get the little bar across the top that I occasionally get from other sites that says Firefox has prevented this site from opening a pop-up window. that's because the pop-ups we're talking about aren't actual windows, they are javascript animations that act somewhat like windows -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
On Jun 28, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: We can always count on Robb for a childish personal attack. How trite. On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:14 AM, William Robb wrote: On 27/06/2011 6:44 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: No, I love ads. To a great extent, you are an ad. It was, ahem, ad hominem... I just knew someone would come back with an ad lib comment. Probably some ad hawk. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
On 11-06-29 12:13 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: [...] But we're deviating from the topic here. Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
Godfrey, Juvenile attack. If you can't win on logical arguements, then cloud the waters. I can't be baited on McDonald's. I'm a retiree and stockholder... And yesterday's gain in McD's market price would buy me a 645D. Regards, Bob S. :-) On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Kinda like eating at McDonalds: it tastes so good and fills you full of garbage. On Monday, June 27, 2011, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, clicking on that little box to dismiss the ad is a real time waister. I could probably pull up 3 or 4 pictures on Smugmug or the Pentax Gallery in the same time. ;-) You know, it's gotten so bad that after I click on the link to Smugmug or the Pentax Gallery and get the delay, I just click out of the window all together. The Flicker interface has other problems for me...can never tell which picture I'm supposed to look at. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an annoyance, but not a disabling one. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com Subject: Photo.net no more To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 1:09 PM I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
On 28/06/2011 02:48, Paul Stenquist wrote: It's commerce in a free society, and, for the most part, it works. The evidence of your own eyes here shows that to be incorrect with at least this, admittedly, small and self-selecting sample. The reactions vary from so what to vehement abhorrence. Not the response I would want if I was an advertiser, especially as this demographic is probably better able to participate in the free market than some pimply teenager furtively combing the site for, er, art. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
No, I love ads. To a great extent, you are an ad. It was, ahem, ad hominem... I just knew someone would come back with an ad lib comment. Probably some ad hawk. Adieu believe this thread will continue. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 06:01:32PM +0200, mike wilson wrote: On 28/06/2011 02:48, Paul Stenquist wrote: It's commerce in a free society, and, for the most part, it works. The evidence of your own eyes here shows that to be incorrect with at least this, admittedly, small and self-selecting sample. The reactions vary from so what to vehement abhorrence. Not the response I would want if I was an advertiser, especially as this demographic is probably better able to participate in the free market than some pimply teenager furtively combing the site for, er, art. I'd have to disagree. While we may be more likely to buy Jaguars/BMWs/Lexi, those aren't the products pushed by the most intrusive advertisements. As a group we're far less likely to buy on impulse. In fact, apart from Viagra, hardly any of us meet the key demographics the advertisers look for. Pimply teenagers are far *more* likely to buy pimple cures, cheap auto insurance, grooming products, energy drinks, and trendy clothing - all prducts with a much higher profit margin than most things we buy. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Photo.net no more
It's commerce in a free society, and, for the most part, it works. The evidence of your own eyes here shows that to be incorrect with at least this, admittedly, small and self-selecting sample. The reactions vary from so what to vehement abhorrence. Not the response I would want if I was an advertiser, especially as this demographic is probably better able to participate in the free market than some pimply teenager furtively combing the site for, er, art. I don't think they can comb it any more. They wax lyrical now. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
On 11-06-29 2:08 PM, Bob W wrote: It's commerce in a free society, and, for the most part, it works. The evidence of your own eyes here shows that to be incorrect with at least this, admittedly, small and self-selecting sample. The reactions vary from so what to vehement abhorrence. Not the response I would want if I was an advertiser, especially as this demographic is probably better able to participate in the free market than some pimply teenager furtively combing the site for, er, art. I don't think they can comb it any more. They wax lyrical now. Not even. Now it's just wax off. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
In Windows, open C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts in notepad and add a line that says 127.0.0.1ads.doubleclick.net then restart your computer and links to that server will go straight to nirvana =) 2011/6/29 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Bruce, Oh you gotta give us more details on that! Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 11-06-27 1:09 PM, Tim Bray wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. [...] I'm no fan of photo.net, but I've never seen these popups and I see very few of the banner ads, so I've been a bit puzzled about all the fuss. So while looking at Dave Brooks' latest shots I investigated to see what was happening -- of course! Years ago I configured my DSL router (pfSense) to return host not found replies to all domain-name lookups for doubleclick.net, which happens to cover the majority of ads at photo.net. So no popups, and empty whitespace where the banner ads usually go for all the computers in the house. DNS proxies are a wonderful thing. ;-) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
Ecke PDML wrote: In Windows, open C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts in notepad and add a line that says 127.0.0.1ads.doubleclick.net then restart your computer and links to that server will go straight to nirvana =) Also: 127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad-g.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 googleads.g.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad2.doubleclick.net] 127.0.0.1 ad.3ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.3au.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ae.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ar.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.au.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.be.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.br.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ca.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ch.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.cl.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.cn.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.de.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.dk.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.es.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.fi.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.fr.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.hk.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.hu.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ie.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.in.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.jp.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.kr.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.it.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.nl.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.no.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.nz.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.pl.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.pt.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ro.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ru.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.se.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.sg.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.terra.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.th.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.tw.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.uk.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.us.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.za.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.n2434.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 creatives.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 dfp.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 fls.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ir.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 iv.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ln.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 m.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 m2.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 m3.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 m.us.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 motifcdn.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 n3285ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 n3349ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 n4403ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 n479ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 n609ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 optout.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 optimize.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 optimize.3optimization.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 paypalssl.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 rd.intl.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 se1.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 twx.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 doubleclick.ne.jp 127.0.0.1 www3.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 www.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 doubleclick.com 127.0.0.1 www2.doubleclick.com 127.0.0.1 www3.doubleclick.com 127.0.0.1 www.doubleclick.com 127.0.0.1 www.messagemedia.com 127.0.0.1 www.performics.com 127.0.0.1 doubleclick.shockwave.com For full details and downloadable Hosts file you can use, see http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm Mac users see http://www.techwebtips.com/apple-mac/modify-hosts-file-mac-os-x-leopard-14/ -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
I think I'll just continue to cuss at the ad. Carry on, gentlefolk. -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:12:16 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photo.net no more Ecke PDML wrote: In Windows, open C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts in notepad and add a line that says 127.0.0.1ads.doubleclick.net then restart your computer and links to that server will go straight to nirvana =) Also: 127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad-g.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 googleads.g.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad2.doubleclick.net] 127.0.0.1 ad.3ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.3au.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ae.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ar.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.au.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.be.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.br.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ca.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ch.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.cl.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.cn.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.de.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.dk.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.es.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.fi.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.fr.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.hk.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.hu.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ie.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.in.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.jp.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.kr.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.it.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.nl.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.no.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.nz.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.pl.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.pt.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ro.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ru.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.se.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.sg.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.terra.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.th.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.tw.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.uk.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.us.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.za.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.n2434.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 creatives.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 dfp.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 fls.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ir.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 iv.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ln.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 m.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 m2.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 m3.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 m.us.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 motifcdn.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 n3285ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 n3349ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 n4403ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 n479ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 n609ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 optout.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 optimize.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 optimize.3optimization.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 paypalssl.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 rd.intl.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 se1.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 twx.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 doubleclick.ne.jp 127.0.0.1 www3.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 www.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 doubleclick.com 127.0.0.1 www2.doubleclick.com 127.0.0.1 www3.doubleclick.com 127.0.0.1 www.doubleclick.com 127.0.0.1 www.messagemedia.com 127.0.0.1 www.performics.com 127.0.0.1 doubleclick.shockwave.com For full details and downloadable Hosts file you can use, see http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm Mac users see http://www.techwebtips.com/apple-mac/modify-hosts-file-mac-os-x-leopard-14/ -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT adblocking via hostname poisoning [Re: Photo.net no more]
Bob, as Ecke and Mark point out, you can poison hostname lookups to doubleclick.net (and any other ad-domain hostname you please) right on your local workstation by adding entries to the HOSTS file. That's /etc/hosts on UNIX offspring (Linux, *BSD, and Mac OS X). It's C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts on recent Windows variants; elsewhere on older Windows. This method works because when the browser tries to fetch a doubleclick.net resource (URL) it will be told to get it from the workstation itself (127.0.0.1 is the loopback address that always means *this* host). That will invariably fail and the browser will substitute some default image where the ad would have been. Trouble is it can fail in various ways depending on how the workstation is setup. What may happen is some delay opening the web page as each of these ad fetches tries, fails, possibly retries, and eventually times-out. What I did was to poison the hostname lookups that occur as they pass through my internet router. That way, all lookups for doubleclick that come from Windows PCs, Macs, iPads and iPod Touch's in the house will all return the DNS code NXDOMAIN, meaning no such host (Non-eXistent domain). The nice thing about that is the browser will not retry but fail immediately and usually nicely. Safari, Firefox and Chrome all substitute whitespace of the appropriate size. I think IE does that too, but at worst shows a small missing-object icon. As to how one accomplishes this, that depends on what you've got. Being a networking guy (and FreeBSD hacker) with a tinkering bent, I've got a homebrew router setup that consists of an old PC running free software called pfSense [ http://pfsense.com/ ]. I installed the optional DNS forwarder/proxy package dnsmasq, and manually configured options for it in /usr/local/etc/dnsmasq.conf . In that file I put one line: local=/doubleclick.net/ That has the effect of catching all attempts to lookup anything in the doubleclick.net domain (ie all subdomains like ads.doubleclick.net) and returning NXDOMAIN to the inquirer. If you have one of the many consumer WiFi routers like a Linksys/Cisco WRT54G there may be menus for adding in custom hostname entries. Or if you're brave you can replace the firmware in it with Tomato ... http://lifehacker.com/344765/turn-your-60-router-into-a-user+friendly-super+router-with-tomato Then follow these instructions ... http://lifehacker.com/5060053/set-up-universal-ad-blocking-through-your-router This probably more intricate than you wanted ... :-) -bmw On 11-06-28 9:06 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Bruce, Oh you gotta give us more details on that! Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Bruce Walkerbruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 11-06-27 1:09 PM, Tim Bray wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. [...] I'm no fan of photo.net, but I've never seen these popups and I see very few of the banner ads, so I've been a bit puzzled about all the fuss. So while looking at Dave Brooks' latest shots I investigated to see what was happening -- of course! Years ago I configured my DSL router (pfSense) to return host not found replies to all domain-name lookups for doubleclick.net, which happens to cover the majority of ads at photo.net. So no popups, and empty whitespace where the banner ads usually go for all the computers in the house. DNS proxies are a wonderful thing. ;-) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Photo.net no more
On 28 June 2011 11:43, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: (snip) I assume you're a flickr members, so that's why the ads are inconspicuous. They're not inconspicuous for non-members. The same is true of photo.net for the most part. However, I think photo.net should avoid pop-ups and stick with banners exclusively, although banners don't generate as many hits as pop-ups, so most websites now employ pop-ups. Paul Just what are non-members seeing on Flickr that members aren't? Has anybody ~really~ tested it or are they just guessing and assuming? To test Paul's claim I walked over to my son's computer and viewed my Flickr photostream. My son isn't a Flickr member, and I never use his computer so it doesn't have any cookies for Flickr or Yahoo that would give him members privileges. Neither my computer's nor my son's have any ad-blocking software at work. Flash and Java are enabled for us both. The pages I saw were ~absolutely~ 100 percent identical to the pages I see on my own computers. Every part of the page layout was the same down to the smallest detail, including the single ad panel below and to the right of the display picture. Then I viewed Godfrey's photostream at my son's computer. No ads at all, just as it should be because Godfrey is a paid subscriber. On Flickr that doesn't just mean no ads for Godder's eyes, it also means no ads for his viewers. Not even paid subscribers to photo.net can make that claim. I can't imagine what some people are seeing that makes them believe Flickr is as bad as photo.net. Flickr advertising is smaller and less prominently placed than photo.net ads. There is only one ad on the standard Flickr photo page against three ads on a standard photo.net photo page. Other Flickr display pages such as Lightbox or All Sizes don't have ads. If you choose the first link that Godfrey always supplies you'll get a Lightbox page so you won't need to bitch about any perceived Flickr crapulence. For my part I'll tell you which is the clean page when I supply links. I reckon people hate Flickr because they've just gotta hate something, and there's no Mac vs PC debate going on today. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:12 -0700, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: the tectonic launch time of the Pentax Gallery Mark! (Rick is obviously a master of understatement...) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ , or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an annoyance, but not a disabling one. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com Subject: Photo.net no more To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 1:09 PM I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't want to be forced to go shopping first. A fallacious argument. You won't have to go shopping, but you will see ads on the side of the bus, on the bus shelter, and perhaps on the interior of the bus as well. And if they weren't there, you'd probably have to pay twice as much to ride that bus. It's commerce in a free society, and, for the most part, it works. Paul OK, I'm not forced to read or avoid the ads before I can get on the bus. I don't strongly object to sites, or buses, carrying ads, what I object to is the in-yer-face intrusive approach that photo.net have taken with theirs which spoils the experience of looking at your photos and those of others, so I won't go there. I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think that works? B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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We can always count on Robb for a childish personal attack. How trite. On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:14 AM, William Robb wrote: On 27/06/2011 6:44 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: No, I love ads. To a great extent, you are an ad. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 28, 2011, at 3:10 AM, Bob W wrote: If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't want to be forced to go shopping first. A fallacious argument. You won't have to go shopping, but you will see ads on the side of the bus, on the bus shelter, and perhaps on the interior of the bus as well. And if they weren't there, you'd probably have to pay twice as much to ride that bus. It's commerce in a free society, and, for the most part, it works. Paul OK, I'm not forced to read or avoid the ads before I can get on the bus. I don't strongly object to sites, or buses, carrying ads, what I object to is the in-yer-face intrusive approach that photo.net have taken with theirs which spoils the experience of looking at your photos and those of others, so I won't go there. I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think that works? Unfortunately, the advertisers don't lose. Pop-ups score more hits than banner ads. I don't know why. Like you, I click them off immediately. Paul B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just for information purposes, I get a pop up window with an ad that I have to close in order to see the picture. I use a MacBook with Safari. -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:35:12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Photo.net no more On 28 June 2011 11:43, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: (snip) I assume you're a flickr members, so that's why the ads are inconspicuous. They're not inconspicuous for non-members. The same is true of photo.net for the most part. However, I think photo.net should avoid pop-ups and stick with banners exclusively, although banners don't generate as many hits as pop-ups, so most websites now employ pop-ups. Paul Just what are non-members seeing on Flickr that members aren't? Has anybody ~really~ tested it or are they just guessing and assuming? To test Paul's claim I walked over to my son's computer and viewed my Flickr photostream. My son isn't a Flickr member, and I never use his computer so it doesn't have any cookies for Flickr or Yahoo that would give him members privileges. Neither my computer's nor my son's have any ad-blocking software at work. Flash and Java are enabled for us both. The pages I saw were ~absolutely~ 100 percent identical to the pages I see on my own computers. Every part of the page layout was the same down to the smallest detail, including the single ad panel below and to the right of the display picture. Then I viewed Godfrey's photostream at my son's computer. No ads at all, just as it should be because Godfrey is a paid subscriber. On Flickr that doesn't just mean no ads for Godder's eyes, it also means no ads for his viewers. Not even paid subscribers to photo.net can make that claim. I can't imagine what some people are seeing that makes them believe Flickr is as bad as photo.net. Flickr advertising is smaller and less prominently placed than photo.net ads. There is only one ad on the standard Flickr photo page against three ads on a standard photo.net photo page. Other Flickr display pages such as Lightbox or All Sizes don't have ads. If you choose the first link that Godfrey always supplies you'll get a Lightbox page so you won't need to bitch about any perceived Flickr crapulence. For my part I'll tell you which is the clean page when I supply links. I reckon people hate Flickr because they've just gotta hate something, and there's no Mac vs PC debate going on today. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Unfortunately, the advertisers don't lose. Pop-ups score more hits than banner ads. I don't know why. Like you, I click them off immediately. Maybe some people have bad aim. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Sandy Harris On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an annoyance, but not a disabling one. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW I've never seen an intrusive ad on that site. I just tested by clicking on Rick's link (Some nice photos there, by the way.) and got no ads. I'm using Firefox on Linux with so ad-blocking and script-blocking add-ons. I do not recall which, but could look it up if anyone needs to know. There is a banner at the top a banner at the bottom. Don't know what they're for because the ads are on sites that are apparently in my hosts file. All I see of the ads is Unable to connect Even if I could see the ads they're not overly obtrusive. I've never seen any pop-ups from PESOs on photo.net. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3730 - Release Date: 06/27/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bob W If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't want to be forced to go shopping first. A fallacious argument. You won't have to go shopping, but you will see ads on the side of the bus, on the bus shelter, and perhaps on the interior of the bus as well. And if they weren't there, you'd probably have to pay twice as much to ride that bus. It's commerce in a free society, and, for the most part, it works. Paul OK, I'm not forced to read or avoid the ads before I can get on the bus. I don't strongly object to sites, or buses, carrying ads, what I object to is the in-yer-face intrusive approach that photo.net have taken with theirs which spoils the experience of looking at your photos and those of others, so I won't go there. I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think that works? I understand what you're saying, but I just don't see the in-yer-face intrusive nature of the advertising at photo.net. I am not a member of photo.net, so if it's bad I should be getting the brunt of it. Right? I don't see the ads, but I can see the frames where the ads are located, and there's less advertising on the page than in the average newspaper or magazine. There's a banner at the top, and a banner at the bottom, and on some pages there's a box off to one side more or less in the middle. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3730 - Release Date: 06/27/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I understand what you're saying, but I just don't see the in-yer-face intrusive nature of the advertising at photo.net. I am not a member of photo.net, so if it's bad I should be getting the brunt of it. Right? I don't see the ads, but I can see the frames where the ads are located, and there's less advertising on the page than in the average newspaper or magazine. There's a banner at the top, and a banner at the bottom, and on some pages there's a box off to one side more or less in the middle. There's almost certainly a random component to the advertising. You can't conclude that pop-over ads don't exist just because you haven't seen one (yet). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 28 June 2011 20:50, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Just for information purposes, I get a pop up window with an ad that I have to close in order to see the picture. I use a MacBook with Safari. Are you referring to Flickr or photo.net? I get an occasional pop up at photo.net but never at Flickr. Occasionally the ad-server doesn't insert the ad into the windows at either site. As an free Flickr member I see the same ad windows that any other visitor will see whether a member or not, although the ad content is localised. Paying subscribers are excused from seeing ads, apparently at both sites. They won't be aware of any advertising unless they logout, delete their cookies, and then return as a visitor.. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) On 28 June 2011 20:50, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Just for information purposes, I get a pop up window with an ad that I have to close in order to see the picture. I use a MacBook with Safari. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: ... I assume you're a flickr members, so that's why the ads are inconspicuous. They're not inconspicuous for non-members. ... Again, if I send you the links to photos like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5865448384/lightbox/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5865448384/ What advertisements do you see? If I log out of flickr.com and look at the links, I'm operating as if I had no account there and I see NO advertisements at all. I despise advertisements when I'm trying to look at photographs. I'd use ad blockers to remove them, but they screw up other things that I need to have working. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What some of us object to is the big pop-up that appears about 1 second into the page-load process. The pop-up covers about 80-90% of the window and (for me at least) is blank. Presumably, if I wait long enough, some advertising pitch will appear in that pop-up. I have never waited long enough to find out, I just close the photo.net window and go on to something else. Ads on the side, flashing banners, billboards on buses . . . all of that I can ignore. The photo.net approach which visually blocks my screen and prevents me from seeing anything while they leisurely load an ad for me to ignore, that is something with which I do not care to put up. stan On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:40 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Bob W If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't want to be forced to go shopping first. A fallacious argument. You won't have to go shopping, but you will see ads on the side of the bus, on the bus shelter, and perhaps on the interior of the bus as well. And if they weren't there, you'd probably have to pay twice as much to ride that bus. It's commerce in a free society, and, for the most part, it works. Paul OK, I'm not forced to read or avoid the ads before I can get on the bus. I don't strongly object to sites, or buses, carrying ads, what I object to is the in-yer-face intrusive approach that photo.net have taken with theirs which spoils the experience of looking at your photos and those of others, so I won't go there. I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think that works? I understand what you're saying, but I just don't see the in-yer-face intrusive nature of the advertising at photo.net. I am not a member of photo.net, so if it's bad I should be getting the brunt of it. Right? I don't see the ads, but I can see the frames where the ads are located, and there's less advertising on the page than in the average newspaper or magazine. There's a banner at the top, and a banner at the bottom, and on some pages there's a box off to one side more or less in the middle. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 28/06/2011 3:35 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: We can always count on Robb for a childish personal attack. How trite. A wee testy today? That wasn't an attack any more than saying you are an American from Detroit is an attack. Well, I suppose that might be an attack. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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flickr is way cleaner than photo.net for showing a single photo. just check out godfrey's examples. habit is another thing tough, your eyes immediately knowing where to look is always a help. but it usually takes only a couple dozen visits to get used to any layout. f On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:03 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/06/2011 3:35 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: We can always count on Robb for a childish personal attack. How trite. A wee testy today? That wasn't an attack any more than saying you are an American from Detroit is an attack. Well, I suppose that might be an attack. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jun 28, 2011, at 3:10 AM, Bob W wrote: I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think that works? Unfortunately, the advertisers don't lose. Pop-ups score more hits than banner ads. I don't know why. Like you, I click them off immediately. Paul Perhaps, because a significant number of people trying to close the ad accidentally click on it as if they wanted to see it. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Photo.net no more I can relate to Paul Stenquist here, who has great many pictures on photo.net and re-uploading them may be a big effort for him. Likewise, I am bloggin' on Google Blogger since October 2006. So to have to migrate would be a big bummer. FWIW I've created folders on an external hard drive containing copies of all images I've posted on the various internet venues sorted by each posting spot so migrating wouldn't be much of an issue. These copies are all web sized jpegs, so total size of these files is not an issue. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: OK, I'm not forced to read or avoid the ads before I can get on the bus. I don't strongly object to sites, or buses, carrying ads, what I object to is the in-yer-face intrusive approach that photo.net have taken with theirs which spoils the experience of looking at your photos and those of others, so I won't go there. I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think that works? What's simply astonishing is that anyone is even using pop-up ads at all in 2011. Research by the Norman/Nielsen group has shown that not only do consumers *hate* pop-ups, they transfer that hatred to the product. What's more, they also transfer the hatred to the site on which the ads appear. This has been known since around 2003. I can only assume they're counting clicks rather than sales. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 28, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: OK, I'm not forced to read or avoid the ads before I can get on the bus. I don't strongly object to sites, or buses, carrying ads, what I object to is the in-yer-face intrusive approach that photo.net have taken with theirs which spoils the experience of looking at your photos and those of others, so I won't go there. I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think that works? What's simply astonishing is that anyone is even using pop-up ads at all in 2011. Research by the Norman/Nielsen group has shown that not only do consumers *hate* pop-ups, they transfer that hatred to the product. What's more, they also transfer the hatred to the site on which the ads appear. This has been known since around 2003. I can only assume they're counting clicks rather than sales. That is probably true. I haven't done any real research, but it seems that even many of the major news organizations use pop-up ads. I'm forever clicking ads out of the way it seems, and I have occasionally linked to one by accident. Perhaps we'll soon be rid of them. All of the web ads I've written in recent years have been banner style, although clients frequently ask to see pop-ups or other invasive page takeover concepts. But I've never had to produce one. Paul -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It was, ahem, ad hominem... We can always count on Robb for a childish personal attack. How trite. On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:14 AM, William Robb wrote: On 27/06/2011 6:44 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: No, I love ads. To a great extent, you are an ad. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: We can always count on Robb for a childish personal attack. How trite. On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:14 AM, William Robb wrote: On 27/06/2011 6:44 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: No, I love ads. To a great extent, you are an ad. It was, ahem, ad hominem... I just knew someone would come back with an ad lib comment. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Bob W wrote: We can always count on Robb for a childish personal attack. How trite. On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:14 AM, William Robb wrote: On 27/06/2011 6:44 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: No, I love ads. To a great extent, you are an ad. It was, ahem, ad hominem... I just knew someone would come back with an ad lib comment. They will likely continue ad nauseam. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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the thread will continue until someone invokes Godwin's Law and takes it ad olf 2011/6/29 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Bob W wrote: We can always count on Robb for a childish personal attack. How trite. On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:14 AM, William Robb wrote: On 27/06/2011 6:44 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: No, I love ads. To a great extent, you are an ad. It was, ahem, ad hominem... I just knew someone would come back with an ad lib comment. They will likely continue ad nauseam. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11-06-27 1:09 PM, Tim Bray wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. [...] I'm no fan of photo.net, but I've never seen these popups and I see very few of the banner ads, so I've been a bit puzzled about all the fuss. So while looking at Dave Brooks' latest shots I investigated to see what was happening -- of course! Years ago I configured my DSL router (pfSense) to return host not found replies to all domain-name lookups for doubleclick.net, which happens to cover the majority of ads at photo.net. So no popups, and empty whitespace where the banner ads usually go for all the computers in the house. DNS proxies are a wonderful thing. ;-) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bruce, Oh you gotta give us more details on that! Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 11-06-27 1:09 PM, Tim Bray wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. [...] I'm no fan of photo.net, but I've never seen these popups and I see very few of the banner ads, so I've been a bit puzzled about all the fuss. So while looking at Dave Brooks' latest shots I investigated to see what was happening -- of course! Years ago I configured my DSL router (pfSense) to return host not found replies to all domain-name lookups for doubleclick.net, which happens to cover the majority of ads at photo.net. So no popups, and empty whitespace where the banner ads usually go for all the computers in the house. DNS proxies are a wonderful thing. ;-) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kinda like eating at McDonalds: it tastes so good and fills you full of garbage. On Monday, June 27, 2011, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, clicking on that little box to dismiss the ad is a real time waister. I could probably pull up 3 or 4 pictures on Smugmug or the Pentax Gallery in the same time. ;-) You know, it's gotten so bad that after I click on the link to Smugmug or the Pentax Gallery and get the delay, I just click out of the window all together. The Flicker interface has other problems for me...can never tell which picture I'm supposed to look at. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an annoyance, but not a disabling one. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com Subject: Photo.net no more To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 1:09 PM I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/28/2011 23:18, Ken Waller wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Photo.net no more I can relate to Paul Stenquist here, who has great many pictures on photo.net and re-uploading them may be a big effort for him. Likewise, I am bloggin' on Google Blogger since October 2006. So to have to migrate would be a big bummer. FWIW I've created folders on an external hard drive containing copies of all images I've posted on the various internet venues sorted by each posting spot so migrating wouldn't be much of an issue. These copies are all web sized jpegs, so total size of these files is not an issue. Ken, all images that I posted to my blog throughout the years are marked with the respective keyword in my LR catalog. It will be a matter of minutes to produce them in exact the same manner they were produced for upload each at its time. In case of blog there is more to it than just images. But we're deviating from the topic here. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Really, it can't be that difficult or tiring to actually click on a x, is it? Oh well. Dan On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I told those idiots to shove it a year or more back when they started censoring posts in threads, in addition to annoying me with stupid advertising all the time. It's become a waste of time and energy to deal with photo.net: they've become a crass marketing organization, not a photography site. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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it's not difficult, but it's behaviour from photo.net that's in your face and offensive. More often than not when I click to see someone's picture on photo.net and the ad pops I just think 'Well, fuck you', and click out. There are plenty of hosting sites that don’t shove this crap down viewers' throats. It can't be that difficult or trying to change, can it? B Really, it can't be that difficult or tiring to actually click on a x, is it? Oh well. Dan On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an annoyance, but not a disabling one. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com Subject: Photo.net no more To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 1:09 PM I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I concur with Rick. Dan On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an annoyance, but not a disabling one. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com Subject: Photo.net no more To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 1:09 PM I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Rick Womer wrote: Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an annoyance, but not a disabling one. Rick Every time the photo.net ad pops up, I grumble to myself, never again, but forget before clicking on one of the links the next time. How much would people be willing to pay for a photo hosting site that didn't suck? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ya, clicking on that little box to dismiss the ad is a real time waister. I could probably pull up 3 or 4 pictures on Smugmug or the Pentax Gallery in the same time. ;-) You know, it's gotten so bad that after I click on the link to Smugmug or the Pentax Gallery and get the delay, I just click out of the window all together. The Flicker interface has other problems for me...can never tell which picture I'm supposed to look at. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an annoyance, but not a disabling one. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com Subject: Photo.net no more To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 1:09 PM I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: The Flicker interface has other problems for me...can never tell which picture I'm supposed to look at. If I send you the links http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5865448384/lightbox/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5865448384/ how it is ambiguous as to which photo I'd like you to look at? There's only one photo on the screen in the case of the first, and the primary image is pretty obvious in the case of the second ... ??? -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Each time I see said adds, I wonder why the user would tolerate it. I'll continue to click on the X, but I imagine it will discourage some from using Photo.net. Jack --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Photo.net no more To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 10:25 AM Really, it can't be that difficult or tiring to actually click on a x, is it? Oh well. Dan On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Apparently it isn't universal - I don't get the pop up ad. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com Subject: Photo.net no more I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27/06/2011, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an annoyance, but not a disabling one. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW I made a decision years ago not to use any photo sharing sites. I want control of where my images are stored and how they're displayed. My ISP provides 2Gb of storage (plenty for low res PESOs and GesoS) and Jalbum is a slick way of creating them - with a very good built-in FTP processor. Works for me. Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11-06-27 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Rick Womer wrote: Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an annoyance, but not a disabling one. Every time the photo.net ad pops up, I grumble to myself, never again, but forget before clicking on one of the links the next time. How much would people be willing to pay for a photo hosting site that didn't suck? I expect the answer to that is, not much; zero preferred, at least for us amateurs. Professionals are much more willing to pay for a site, but are also much more likely to create or commission a custom one, especially since the portfolio capabilities and design of all the photo service sites I've seen are, in a word, crap. One solution employed by a few PDMLers that looks pretty good is to publish a gallery directly from Lightroom to Dropbox. That gives you full control over the look'n'feel with no annoying ads or any intrusive server-owner stuff at all. You don't get comments ability or any statistics though. I've done that with a number of galleries that I just wanted to share with family, friends and/or PDMLers alone. I actually like the stats and some of the social features of Flickr so I paid the $25 Pro tax and am in general happy with it. I don't like that they foist ads on innocent casual viewers of my photo-stream though. It seems the only way to avoid seeing ads is for the viewer to buy a Pro account. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have to say that I'm tired of the ads and the attitude. Too commercial for me. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I have over 3000 images on photo.net, and Im paid up through 2012. Plus, I don't really have time go fool around with something new. I really don't like the flickr interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe some day. Paul On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Each time I see said adds, I wonder why the user would tolerate it. I'll continue to click on the X, but I imagine it will discourage some from using Photo.net. Jack --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Photo.net no more To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 10:25 AM Really, it can't be that difficult or tiring to actually click on a x, is it? Oh well. Dan On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-27 15:26, Larry Colen wrote: How much would people be willing to pay for a photo hosting site that didn't suck? I pay about US$ 10 a month for mine. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Den 27. juni 2011 kl. 21.26 skrev Larry Colen: How much would people be willing to pay for a photo hosting site that didn't suck? I think I pay about $80 a year to the web hotel and made everything in Rapidweaver (about $60 on apple app store). A nice thing is that if it sucks at least it is my own fault. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I have over 3000 images on photo.net, and Im paid up through 2012. Plus, I don't really have time go fool around with something new. I really don't like the flickr interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe some day. Adding my 2 cents. Just because. I'll look at photos on photodotnet if it's a PESO, GESO, or whatever, but I never just go poke around there like I used to. It's a shame. There was, at one time, a thriving community at photo.net. I don't much care for the interface at flickr. It was never all that great and IMHO it gets worse with every revision. But if someone posts a link to a photograph, I'll look at it. Flickr's also nice, due to the sheer volume, for searching for a particular subject, e.g. if I wanna look at pictures of orange fixed-gear bicycles, or nudes taken on 4x5 Tri-X and processed in XTOL, or whatever. Smugmug is really nice for hosting photos and absolutely dreadful for viewing them. It's S L O W E R T H A N S N O T, those silly photo rating pop-up thumb thingies that I have to wait for just to change the size of the picture are awful, and I simply don't look at photos hosted there. Ever. Photo bucket is fine if you're hosting photos there and displaying them elsewhere, but I won't actually go to photobucket address to look at a photo. I had more or less settled on PIcasaweb for photo hosting, but I really don't think the UI is as good as it used to be for viewing purposes. It's fine for embedding links on the blog, etc. I may start hosting my own again, because the photo hosting sites are like operating systems - they all suck. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Scott Loveless [...] I may start hosting my own again, because the photo hosting sites are like operating systems - they all suck. Hear, hear! B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 27 June 2011 21:38 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Photo.net no more Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I have over 3000 images on photo.net, and Im paid up through 2012. Plus, I don't really have time go fool around with something new. I really don't like the flickr interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe some day. Paul why not tell them that you've been a member a long time, you have all these photos with them, but your viewers are now complaining about the intrusiveness of the ads and going elsewhere, and that you are thinking of going elsewhere too. If they see that the style of the ads is counter-productive they will change them, or go bust. But if nobody tells them, they won't do anything. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You post a photo of salt shakers and people start commenting on the Buskers. Often the comments don't seem to follow the pictures. And the damned interface is still slow!!! Do they think they are tricking me with those rotating red black balls? How about just using the old spinning hourglass. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: The Flicker interface has other problems for me...can never tell which picture I'm supposed to look at. If I send you the links http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5865448384/lightbox/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5865448384/ how it is ambiguous as to which photo I'd like you to look at? There's only one photo on the screen in the case of the first, and the primary image is pretty obvious in the case of the second ... ??? -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 27 June 2011 21:38 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Photo.net no more Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I have over 3000 images on photo.net, and Im paid up through 2012. Plus, I don't really have time go fool around with something new. I really don't like the flickr interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe some day. Paul why not tell them that you've been a member a long time, you have all these photos with them, but your viewers are now complaining about the intrusiveness of the ads and going elsewhere, and that you are thinking of going elsewhere too. If they see that the style of the ads is counter-productive they will change them, or go bust. But if nobody tells them, they won't do anything. Good point. I did complain once, but it's about time I complain again. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote: Photo.net members don't see the ads. Apparently, non-members who visit photo.net with JavaScript turned off (use Firefox with the NoScript plug-in) don't see ads either. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Paul Stenquist wrote: Photo.net members don't see the ads. Apparently, non-members who visit photo.net with JavaScript turned off (use Firefox with the NoScript plug-in) don't see ads either. well, like it or not Javascript, and other forms of client-side processing, is essential to producing some of the good bits of the web, so disabling it just to get rid of intrusive ads is throwing the baby out with the bath water. The way to stop this sort of crap is to refuse to visit the sites which are pushing it, and let them know. Hit them where it hurts. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On top of which, photo.net is butt-ugly to look at these days. I pay the $25 to flickr for ad-free photo-sharing with family friends. For the stuff I care about, I host on my own blog. But to make it work the way I like it, I had to write a whole bunch of software, so I can't in good conscience recommend that approach. -T On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Paul Stenquist wrote: Photo.net members don't see the ads. Apparently, non-members who visit photo.net with JavaScript turned off (use Firefox with the NoScript plug-in) don't see ads either. well, like it or not Javascript, and other forms of client-side processing, is essential to producing some of the good bits of the web, so disabling it just to get rid of intrusive ads is throwing the baby out with the bath water. The way to stop this sort of crap is to refuse to visit the sites which are pushing it, and let them know. Hit them where it hurts. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Paul Stenquist wrote: Photo.net members don't see the ads. Apparently, non-members who visit photo.net with JavaScript turned off (use Firefox with the NoScript plug-in) don't see ads either. well, like it or not Javascript, and other forms of client-side processing, is essential to producing some of the good bits of the web, so disabling it just to get rid of intrusive ads is throwing the baby out with the bath water. With the NoScript plug-in you disable JS only on sites where you want to disable it. Doing so on photo.net has no negative effect that I can detect. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hey Paul, would it cost you severe personal or business pain if photo.net declared bankruptcy tomorrow and shut down on Thursday? If so, you might want to have a Plan B in place, because it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Yeah, I know, migrating thousands of pix is a major pain in the butt. -T On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I have over 3000 images on photo.net, and Im paid up through 2012. Plus, I don't really have time go fool around with something new. I really don't like the flickr interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe some day. Paul On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Each time I see said adds, I wonder why the user would tolerate it. I'll continue to click on the X, but I imagine it will discourage some from using Photo.net. Jack --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Photo.net no more To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 10:25 AM Really, it can't be that difficult or tiring to actually click on a x, is it? Oh well. Dan On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Paul Stenquist wrote: Photo.net members don't see the ads. Apparently, non-members who visit photo.net with JavaScript turned off (use Firefox with the NoScript plug-in) don't see ads either. well, like it or not Javascript, and other forms of client-side processing, is essential to producing some of the good bits of the web, so disabling it just to get rid of intrusive ads is throwing the baby out with the bath water. With the NoScript plug-in you disable JS only on sites where you want to disable it. Doing so on photo.net has no negative effect that I can detect. Fine, but it shouldn't be necessary, and not everyone using the internet is a professional programmer or website teacher who knows about this sort of stuff. We shouldn't be getting into an arms race with people who want to shove their shit in our faces. If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't want to be forced to go shopping first. If I clink a link I want to go to that page directly, I don't want to have to wade through a trough of pigshit to get there. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A few of us use Zenfolio. Basic ($25/yr), Unlimited ($50/yr) and Premium ($100/yr) plans available. Customizable, park your own domain there, unlimited traffic, unlimited storage for all plans above the Basic . . . http://www.zenfolio.com/zf/all-features.aspx stan On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:54 PM, DagT wrote: Den 27. juni 2011 kl. 21.26 skrev Larry Colen: How much would people be willing to pay for a photo hosting site that didn't suck? I think I pay about $80 a year to the web hotel and made everything in Rapidweaver (about $60 on apple app store). A nice thing is that if it sucks at least it is my own fault. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 28/06/11 8:16 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Hey Paul, would it cost you severe personal or business pain if photo.net declared bankruptcy tomorrow and shut down on Thursday? If so, you might want to have a Plan B in place, because it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Yeah, I know, migrating thousands of pix is a major pain in the butt. -T On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Paul Stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I have over 3000 images on photo.net, and Im paid up through 2012. Plus, I don't really have time go fool around with something new. I really don't like the flickr interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe some day. Paul On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Each time I see said adds, I wonder why the user would tolerate it. I'll continue to click on the X, but I imagine it will discourage some from using Photo.net. Jack --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Photo.net no more To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 10:25 AM Really, it can't be that difficult or tiring to actually click on a x, is it? Oh well. Dan On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Braytb...@textuality.com wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. I had this happen to me with fotopic - suddenly the site was no longer there -- Philip Northeast www.aviewfinderdakly.com.au -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Ken Waller Apparently it isn't universal - I don't get the pop up ad. I don't think I've ever seen a pop-up ad on photo.net - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1513/3728 - Release Date: 06/26/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't want to be forced to go shopping first.: Never go to London with my daughter, then. I'm just saying . . . On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Paul Stenquist wrote: Photo.net members don't see the ads. Apparently, non-members who visit photo.net with JavaScript turned off (use Firefox with the NoScript plug-in) don't see ads either. well, like it or not Javascript, and other forms of client-side processing, is essential to producing some of the good bits of the web, so disabling it just to get rid of intrusive ads is throwing the baby out with the bath water. With the NoScript plug-in you disable JS only on sites where you want to disable it. Doing so on photo.net has no negative effect that I can detect. Fine, but it shouldn't be necessary, and not everyone using the internet is a professional programmer or website teacher who knows about this sort of stuff. We shouldn't be getting into an arms race with people who want to shove their shit in our faces. If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't want to be forced to go shopping first. If I clink a link I want to go to that page directly, I don't want to have to wade through a trough of pigshit to get there. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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They know you're too cheap to buy anything, John. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:27 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Ken Waller Apparently it isn't universal - I don't get the pop up ad. I don't think I've ever seen a pop-up ad on photo.net - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1513/3728 - Release Date: 06/26/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Hey Paul, would it cost you severe personal or business pain if photo.net declared bankruptcy tomorrow and shut down on Thursday? That's a hoot. It isn't going to happen. I am amused by those who believe photo.net is suffering because they get a lot of ads! It's ads that bring in the revenue. Membership fees are peanuts in comparison. Photo.net gets lots of play from Canon, Nikon and a range of non-photo advertisers as well. I'm not worried about having to change in a hurry. But if it suits my purposes, I will change. By the way, I create some of those internet ads you hate, although not for photo sites. I just produced a number of banner ads for an automotive equipment site. I like ads. No, I love ads. Paul If so, you might want to have a Plan B in place, because it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Yeah, I know, migrating thousands of pix is a major pain in the butt. -T On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I have over 3000 images on photo.net, and Im paid up through 2012. Plus, I don't really have time go fool around with something new. I really don't like the flickr interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe some day. Paul On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Each time I see said adds, I wonder why the user would tolerate it. I'll continue to click on the X, but I imagine it will discourage some from using Photo.net. Jack --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Photo.net no more To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 10:25 AM Really, it can't be that difficult or tiring to actually click on a x, is it? Oh well. Dan On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Bob W wrote: If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't want to be forced to go shopping first. A fallacious argument. You won't have to go shopping, but you will see ads on the side of the bus, on the bus shelter, and perhaps on the interior of the bus as well. And if they weren't there, you'd probably have to pay twice as much to ride that bus. It's commerce in a free society, and, for the most part, it works. Paul If I clink a link I want to go to that page directly, I don't want to have to wade through a trough of pigshit to get there. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-27 16:16 , Tim Bray wrote: Hey Paul, would it cost you severe personal or business pain if photo.net declared bankruptcy tomorrow and shut down on Thursday? photo.net is among the oldest community websites around; i was once fond of it and used to read Greenspun's articles and look at photos; on a lark i just rediscovered the fact i've been a member since 1998, though my account has been unused the fact that Philip Greenspun sold it out four years ago probably has much to do with the ads and could also indicate how little we should trust the sense of stability such a venerable site can seem to have (i hate the ads too; i only go there for PESOs) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 28 June 2011 10:44, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: (snip) I like ads. No, I love ads. Paul I'm not against ads. They let me have a service which costs me nothing, at the small cost of some inconspicuous advertising on the page where my work is displayed. But let me qualify that statement. The ad is inconspicuous when I'm displaying via Flickr. It's to the right of, and below my photo, and in most cases you would need to scroll down to see it. You will probably see the ad if you run a very high screen resolution, but as I said, it's underneath and displaced to the right. It's not a banner ad sitting close above the picture, like on photo.net. It never appears as a pop-up in front of the picture, like on photo.net. In my early internet days I was a photo.net free subscriber and displayed my pictures there, but then they brought down a severely small display limit for the freeloaders, so I jumped ship. Also, I never liked their critique and rating system. I objected to being scored by nincompoops whose only qualification is that they can afford a camera and a computer. The flickr social structure is much kinder. You can comment or award badges, but nobody issues scores. And for the most part it's still afriendly society. YouTube style hate mail hasn't found it's way to flickr, thank God. I use Picasa Web as well, but find it a bit plain when I want to show off, so it's just a place where I share my happysnaps. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-27 18:48 , Paul Stenquist wrote: A fallacious argument. You won't have to go shopping, but you will see ads on the side of the bus, on the bus shelter, and perhaps on the interior of the bus as well. And if they weren't there, you'd probably have to pay twice as much to ride that bus. It's commerce in a free society, and, for the most part, it works. around here (Denver) ads are about 1% of total operating expenses; fares cover about 20% i'm very good at ignoring ads, but for many people, and especially when pop-ups are involved, viewing an ad is fairly akin to forced window-shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Anthony Farr wrote: On 28 June 2011 10:44, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: (snip) I like ads. No, I love ads. Paul I'm not against ads. They let me have a service which costs me nothing, at the small cost of some inconspicuous advertising on the page where my work is displayed. But let me qualify that statement. The ad is inconspicuous when I'm displaying via Flickr. It's to the right of, and below my photo, and in most cases you would need to scroll down to see it. You will probably see the ad if you run a very high screen resolution, but as I said, it's underneath and displaced to the right. It's not a banner ad sitting close above the picture, like on photo.net. It never appears as a pop-up in front of the picture, like on photo.net. In my early internet days I was a photo.net free subscriber and displayed my pictures there, but then they brought down a severely small display limit for the freeloaders, so I jumped ship. Also, I never liked their critique and rating system. I objected to being scored by nincompoops whose only qualification is that they can afford a camera and a computer. The flickr social structure is much kinder. You can comment or award badges, but nobody issues scores. And for the most part it's still afriendly society. YouTube style hate mail hasn't found it's way to flickr, thank God. I use Picasa Web as well, but find it a bit plain when I want to show off, so it's just a place where I share my happysnaps. That's how I use photo.net. I don't request critiques, and I don't get any mail -- hateful or otherwise. I also use it for client proof displays, which I can make invisible to others. Haven't had a single complaint from clients. I assume you're a flickr members, so that's why the ads are inconspicuous. They're not inconspicuous for non-members. The same is true of photo.net for the most part. However, I think photo.net should avoid pop-ups and stick with banners exclusively, although banners don't generate as many hits as pop-ups, so most websites now employ pop-ups. Paul regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an annoyance, but not a disabling one. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW I've never seen an intrusive ad on that site. I just tested by clicking on Rick's link (Some nice photos there, by the way.) and got no ads. I'm using Firefox on Linux with so ad-blocking and script-blocking add-ons. I do not recall which, but could look it up if anyone needs to know. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 07:20:55PM -0600, steve harley wrote: On 2011-06-27 18:48 , Paul Stenquist wrote: i'm very good at ignoring ads, but for many people, and especially when pop-ups are involved, viewing an ad is fairly akin to forced window-shopping And forced-to-watch ads are akin to mandatory sensitivity training. Nobody enjoys them, and they won't change anybody's opinion. Thje main reason I purchased a VCR (and, later, DVRs) was so that the ads became, once more, things I could watch wnen *I* chose. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 28 June 2011 12:50, Sandy Harris sandyinch...@gmail.com wrote: I've never seen an intrusive ad on that site. I just tested by clicking on Rick's link (Some nice photos there, by the way.) and got no ads. I'm using Firefox on Linux with so ad-blocking and script-blocking add-ons. I do not recall which, but could look it up if anyone needs to know. Adblock Plus and Flashblock Mozilla plugins seem to keep all but the most virulent ad nasties at bay. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/27/2011 20:09, Tim Bray wrote: I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net. It popped up an interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the picture. This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't clicking on any more photo.net links. FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art, because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long to live. -T For a moment you had me scared, Tim. I interpreted your messages as in the photo.net was actually closing down. On a purely technical side of this coin, I am using FireFox on Windoze and the NoScript plugin. NoScript is good but it takes long time to configure as it works in white/black list manner. Specifically, I have photo.net white listed but all other sites it refers to (also for ads) blocked. So I see the pictures but see no shit that comes along. I can relate to Paul Stenquist here, who has great many pictures on photo.net and re-uploading them may be a big effort for him. Likewise, I am bloggin' on Google Blogger since October 2006. So to have to migrate would be a big bummer. Yet, I see the point in others' opinions - Carthage must be destroyed. I did not realize that photo.net was sold by its creator so many years ago. May be I should simply close that free account that I am having there in hyb. Finally, consider this, ladies and gentlemen. Here, anything public has huge amount of ads. Even 3 min long news update every hour will have at least one this program is sponsored by ... and a following jingle moment. So, for example, if I want to know the weather update whilst driving my car, I have to suffer through this, as I cannot possibly know when to turn radio back to that station. Somehow I simply ignore these - they don't register on any of my senses, so to say. YMMV, of course. But NoScript is a great piece of freeware... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27/06/2011 6:44 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: No, I love ads. To a great extent, you are an ad. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/27/2011 23:06, Chris Mitchell wrote: I made a decision years ago not to use any photo sharing sites. I want control of where my images are stored and how they're displayed. My ISP provides 2Gb of storage (plenty for low res PESOs and GesoS) and Jalbum is a slick way of creating them - with a very good built-in FTP processor. Works for me. Chris Indeed. I owe you at least one drink for patiently helping me through with JAlbum. Great pity they stopped their printing service. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
