Re: Pentax WG-8 and WG-1000

[mike wilson]

> On 07/06/2024 16:54 BST Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>  
> > On Jun 6, 2024, at 11:55 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> On 07/06/2024 07:47 BST Henk Terhell  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The new WG-8 may be an attractive pocket camera, though it doesn't have 
> >> RAW.
> >> Compared to competitors, a major advantage of these new camera's is that 
> >> pictures thereof may be placed on PUG.
> >> 
> >> https://www.dpreview.com/news/0404722783/ricoh-pentax-wg-8-and-wg-1000-waterproof-compacts
> > 
> > A waterproof Pentax compact is one of the few cameras I have bought new as 
> > my daughter was, at the time, very interested in playing in water.  The 
> > plan was to use it to document her progress through swimming lessons and 
> > various adventures in waterparks and the sea.
> > 
> > Imagine my pleasure when the waterproofing failed on its second outing, for 
> > no discernable reason.
> 
> That is arguably much better than it failing two days after the warranty 
> expired.
> 

Waterproofing not covered by warranty, as there was no fault found.
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Re: Pentax WG-8 and WG-1000

[Larry Colen]

> On Jun 6, 2024, at 11:55 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 07/06/2024 07:47 BST Henk Terhell  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The new WG-8 may be an attractive pocket camera, though it doesn't have RAW.
>> Compared to competitors, a major advantage of these new camera's is that 
>> pictures thereof may be placed on PUG.
>> 
>> https://www.dpreview.com/news/0404722783/ricoh-pentax-wg-8-and-wg-1000-waterproof-compacts
> 
> A waterproof Pentax compact is one of the few cameras I have bought new as my 
> daughter was, at the time, very interested in playing in water.  The plan was 
> to use it to document her progress through swimming lessons and various 
> adventures in waterparks and the sea.
> 
> Imagine my pleasure when the waterproofing failed on its second outing, for 
> no discernable reason.

That is arguably much better than it failing two days after the warranty 
expired.

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Re: Pentax WG-8 and WG-1000

[mike wilson]

> On 07/06/2024 07:47 BST Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
>  
> The new WG-8 may be an attractive pocket camera, though it doesn't have RAW.
> Compared to competitors, a major advantage of these new camera's is that 
> pictures thereof may be placed on PUG.
> 
> https://www.dpreview.com/news/0404722783/ricoh-pentax-wg-8-and-wg-1000-waterproof-compacts

A waterproof Pentax compact is one of the few cameras I have bought new as my 
daughter was, at the time, very interested in playing in water.  The plan was 
to use it to document her progress through swimming lessons and various 
adventures in waterparks and the sea.

Imagine my pleasure when the waterproofing failed on its second outing, for no 
discernable reason.
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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

[Bob W PDML]

Pentax seem to be running a teaser campaign for the new film camera. Turn the 
sound on to hear them plugging the manual film winding experience. To me it 
sounds like a wheel/dial rather than a crank for winding on.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7EgkWlI22f/?igsh=dnk2aXV3Ym9tMmJn

> On 16 May 2023, at 18:57, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 16 May 2023, at 18:34, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> […]
>> 
>> I think that it is kind of silly for someone to buy a brand new film camera 
>> when perfectly servicable ones are practically being given away.  I 
>> personally bought several when I got back into photography because I wanted 
>> the lens that came with it.  I honestly lost count of the number of spotties 
>> languishing in my drawers, just because I wanted the 50/1.4 supertak that 
>> was attached to them.
> 
> […]
> 
> The young people buying the used cameras don’t necessarily have the 
> experience to know whether they’re buying something that works or not. Last 
> year I had my original MX, which I bought new, repaired after it had been 
> languishing in a cupboard unused for years. I’ve had to have the repair fixed 
> under warranty.
> 
> But I enjoy using the camera so I decided to buy another MX. I tried and 
> returned five, including 2-3 from reputable dealers, not just Joe Random on 
> eBay, before I finally found one that is in perfect condition that had been 
> serviced by somebody competent.
> 
> I also decided I wanted an LX again. I’ve tried two and returned them both, 
> and am now having the third serviced by the same competent person who sold me 
> the good MX. I had sent it to the technicians with the best reputation here, 
> after I shot a roll of ektachrome to flush out any issues. They sent it back 
> unusable, telling me it was already broken when I bought it. My reliable guy 
> assures me I would not have been able to shoot more than one frame, let alone 
> a full roll, if the other tech was correct, and he thinks they broke it. He 
> has told me today that he will have it back in my hands in perfect working 
> order by the end of next week.
> 
> It’s the Wild West out there.
> 
> I think if Pentax comes out with something stylish and simple like the 1960s 
> / 1970s fixed-lens rangefinders (Oly 35 RD et al) at a decent price they’ll 
> be onto a winner with a lot of young people around the world.
> 
> 
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Stan Halpin]

John, in Lightroom Classic, select, e.g., all your Iraq time zoned images. 
Under Metadata menu, choose Edit Capture Time. The sub menu offers the option 
to do a time zone adjustment. There is a warning that you cannot UnDo any 
change. That is only somewhat true. You won’t have an UnDo option per se, but 
you can always repeat the action as many times as needed to get it right. And 
there is an option to reset to original capture time if you need to back off 
and start over.

Stan
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> On Jan 26, 2024, at 3:00 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> …
> 
> So I've got more than a year's worth of photos where the time is off by 12 
> hours. It's not a world shaking problem, but it BUGS ME - like ALWAYS being 
> pursued by a cloud of mosquitos. Low level irritation, but constant and 
> forever.
> 
> Whenever I've tried to fix it in post it ends up screwing with the DATE 
> (trying to change Date Taken to the current computer date/time).
> 
> …

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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Bob W PDML]

> On 26 Jan 2024, at 20:00, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> I have a hard time even remembering to "Spring Forward/Fall Back" ... the 
> "fall back" part isn't that big of a problem, but the week after "spring 
> forward" I'd be late for my own hanging.

It seems to me that that would be a good thing…


> 
> What I've got is I got the *ist-D early in 2004 and set the time to "New 
> York" (aka Eastern US time zone) and shipped out to Iraq a couple of weeks 
> later.
> 
> I didn't notice the time zone setting until I'd been in country for several 
> months. And after I did notice, I was back home for several months before I 
> noticed the camera was still on "Moscow" time (Iraq time zone)
> 
> So I've got more than a year's worth of photos where the time is off by 12 
> hours. It's not a world shaking problem, but it BUGS ME - like ALWAYS being 
> pursued by a cloud of mosquitos. Low level irritation, but constant and 
> forever.
> 
> Whenever I've tried to fix it in post it ends up screwing with the DATE 
> (trying to change Date Taken to the current computer date/time).
> 
> To a lesser extent I've had the same "problems" with the K10D, K20D, K-3 & 
> the K-1.
> 
> A camera that could automagically determine the local time zone & keep the 
> internal clock updated would suit me just fine. My cell phone can do it, why 
> can't my camera?
> 
> I use the cell phone camera occasionally, but I like my DSLRs more. I 
> couldn't have done the eclipse on my cell phone.
> 

I don’t know what date/time format standard the metadata is supposed to use, 
but it really ought* to be in ISO format, which (optionally) includes the 
offset from UTC. This would make your task quite straightforward using the 
method Mark suggested. The thing to be careful about, if you were writing some 
sort of macro to make the change rather than relying on a trusted routine from 
elsewhere, is when the offset takes you forward or back to a different date. 
For example, time showing as 11am on 1 March, subtract 12 hours - was it a leap 
year? Make sure you have a backup!

*a well-designed system would distinguish between the format of the stored date 
time (I would usually use ISO), and the format of the displayed date time, so 
years later when looking at your photos in the comfort of Badiddlyboing, 
Odawidaho you ask yourself, what the hell time was it in Ulan Bator when I made 
this masterpiece? It can tell you without having to change any of your data.

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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Mark Roberts]

John Sessoms wrote:

>What I've got is I got the *ist-D early in 2004 and set the time to "New 
>York" (aka Eastern US time zone) and shipped out to Iraq a couple of 
>weeks later.
>
>I didn't notice the time zone setting until I'd been in country for 
>several months. And after I did notice, I was back home for several 
>months before I noticed the camera was still on "Moscow" time (Iraq time 
>zone)
>
>So I've got more than a year's worth of photos where the time is off by 
>12 hours. It's not a world shaking problem, but it BUGS ME - like ALWAYS 
>being pursued by a cloud of mosquitos. Low level irritation, but 
>constant and forever.

Whenever I travel I start out in my new time zone by taking a
photograph of a clock showing local time. Then when I get home I use
Lightroom to batch change all the photos by adjusting the "Capture
Time" by the number of hours necessary to get the correct time. Takes
just a few seconds.
 
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[John Sessoms]

On 1/23/2024 8:42 AM, Bob W PDML wrote:




On 23 Jan 2024, at 13:30, John Sessoms  wrote:



[…]
I'll have to think about changing over to UTC.

At least then ALL of the times will be "WRONG", rather than just blocks of them.



It doesn’t have to be UTC of course - it could be any time you choose as the 
reference time, eg the time in your home town, or in Ulan Batar, as long as all 
the cameras have the same time. It’s not like you look at the camera to tell 
the time in whatever non-home timezone you may find yourself, you have a watch 
for that, presumably.



I have a hard time even remembering to "Spring Forward/Fall Back" ... 
the "fall back" part isn't that big of a problem, but the week after 
"spring forward" I'd be late for my own hanging.


What I've got is I got the *ist-D early in 2004 and set the time to "New 
York" (aka Eastern US time zone) and shipped out to Iraq a couple of 
weeks later.


I didn't notice the time zone setting until I'd been in country for 
several months. And after I did notice, I was back home for several 
months before I noticed the camera was still on "Moscow" time (Iraq time 
zone)


So I've got more than a year's worth of photos where the time is off by 
12 hours. It's not a world shaking problem, but it BUGS ME - like ALWAYS 
being pursued by a cloud of mosquitos. Low level irritation, but 
constant and forever.


Whenever I've tried to fix it in post it ends up screwing with the DATE 
(trying to change Date Taken to the current computer date/time).


To a lesser extent I've had the same "problems" with the K10D, K20D, K-3 
& the K-1.


A camera that could automagically determine the local time zone & keep 
the internal clock updated would suit me just fine. My cell phone can do 
it, why can't my camera?


I use the cell phone camera occasionally, but I like my DSLRs more. I 
couldn't have done the eclipse on my cell phone.



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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Mark Roberts]

Just found a K-3ii with fewer than 3500 shutter actuations on eBay. I
should have it some time next week.
 
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Bob W PDML]


> On 23 Jan 2024, at 01:54, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hmm. I like to keep the camera's date setting current, but rarely ever look 
> at the time my cameras are set to.
> I order things in LR by frame number, not by time, and only very very 
> occasionally use more than one camera at a time, so it's rarely an issue.
> 
> If I do have two cameras output (iphone and m10m, or m10m and m10r), since I 
> don't shoot all that many frames in a session on average, I can usually 
> integrate all the photos together in the right sequence and then rename them 
> into an ordinal sequence, if that seems important. I can also set the capture 
> times into an ordinal range that way.
> 
> Most of the time, I don't worry about time and date very much. Once I've 
> rendered my photos and put together a set to display, whatever order they are 
> in is what I choose, not what the frame numbering or the time/date sequence 
> are.
> 
> Life is sure simpler in the Polaroid instant film world where a pack of film 
> has only eight exposures and I can remember exactly what sequence I shot them 
> in… :D

There’s a lot to be said for that!

I’ve just discovered that the Visoflex 020 has a GPS. So attached to my M10M, 
and after changing a couple of settings in the menu, it can pluck the date and 
time from out of the sky!

As far as I can tell it uses local time, but as I’m in the UTC time zone it’s 
difficult to be sure.
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Bob W PDML]

> On 23 Jan 2024, at 13:30, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> […]
> I'll have to think about changing over to UTC.
> 
> At least then ALL of the times will be "WRONG", rather than just blocks of 
> them.
> 

It doesn’t have to be UTC of course - it could be any time you choose as the 
reference time, eg the time in your home town, or in Ulan Batar, as long as all 
the cameras have the same time. It’s not like you look at the camera to tell 
the time in whatever non-home timezone you may find yourself, you have a watch 
for that, presumably.



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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[John Sessoms]

On 1/22/2024 5:07 PM, Bob W PDML wrote:

On 22 Jan 2024, at 21:36, John Sessoms  wrote:



Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time?

That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different time zone and forgetting to set 
the camera's clock to the correct time zone, i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it 
doesn't have a setting for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or 
halfway round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours.



I’d expect the satellites to transmit UTC. Local time is a function of UTC and 
the time zone offset and savings time, derived from the GPS coordinates.

If I were you I’d set all my cameras to UTC, then you shouldn’t have any 
problems merging image files from different cameras and getting the date/time 
sorting all stuffed up.

Then photograph a town name from time to time so you have an embedded record of 
where you were. Modern operating systems can recognise and select text in image 
files, so you can copy and paste it into the metadata if you want to.



Wouldn't be a problem if it had been in one of the little towns. I'm 
pretty good at sorting out the landmarks.


It's the photos "I know it was out in the middle of nowhere along the 
highway between Stephenville and San Angelo" that give me fits. That's 
where the built in GPS would come in handy.


I'll have to think about changing over to UTC.

At least then ALL of the times will be "WRONG", rather than just blocks 
of them.


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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Jan 22, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2024, at 21:36, John Sessoms  wrote:
>> 
>> Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time?
>> 
>> That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different 
>> time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, 
>> i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting 
>> for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway 
>> round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours.
>> 
> 
> I’d expect the satellites to transmit UTC. Local time is a function of UTC 
> and the time zone offset and savings time, derived from the GPS coordinates. 
> 
> If I were you I’d set all my cameras to UTC, then you shouldn’t have any 
> problems merging image files from different cameras and getting the date/time 
> sorting all stuffed up. 
> 
> Then photograph a town name from time to time so you have an embedded record 
> of where you were. Modern operating systems can recognise and select text in 
> image files, so you can copy and paste it into the metadata if you want to.

Hmm. I like to keep the camera's date setting current, but rarely ever look at 
the time my cameras are set to. 
I order things in LR by frame number, not by time, and only very very 
occasionally use more than one camera at a time, so it's rarely an issue. 

If I do have two cameras output (iphone and m10m, or m10m and m10r), since I 
don't shoot all that many frames in a session on average, I can usually 
integrate all the photos together in the right sequence and then rename them 
into an ordinal sequence, if that seems important. I can also set the capture 
times into an ordinal range that way. 

Most of the time, I don't worry about time and date very much. Once I've 
rendered my photos and put together a set to display, whatever order they are 
in is what I choose, not what the frame numbering or the time/date sequence 
are. 

Life is sure simpler in the Polaroid instant film world where a pack of film 
has only eight exposures and I can remember exactly what sequence I shot them 
in… :D

G
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Larry Colen]

> On Jan 22, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2024, at 21:36, John Sessoms  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time?
>> 
>> That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different 
>> time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, 
>> i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting 
>> for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway 
>> round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours.
>> 
> 
> I’d expect the satellites to transmit UTC. Local time is a function of UTC 
> and the time zone offset and savings time, derived from the GPS coordinates. 
> 
> If I were you I’d set all my cameras to UTC, then you shouldn’t have any 
> problems merging image files from different cameras and getting the date/time 
> sorting all stuffed up. 

I have actually been seriously considering changing my cameras to GMT or UTC, 
and not have to worry about DST, time zones or anything like that.  

I've also taken photos of the time on my phone with the K-3iii or the Lumix to 
help sync the times in lightroom.

> 
> Then photograph a town name from time to time so you have an embedded record 
> of where you were. Modern operating systems can recognise and select text in 
> image files, so you can copy and paste it into the metadata if you want to.

In theory, you can get that information from the GPS you know.


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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Mark Roberts]

Stanley Halpin wrote:

>Long ago and far away (specifically, Northern Italy, 2007) I took a drive from 
>our B lodging around Lago Garda, a beautiful region favored as a vacation 
>spot since the Middle Ages if not earlier. Several small fishing villages 
>around the lake. I of course stopped at every village and took shots of the 
>fishing boats and other boats in the marinas & dock areas.
>
>Two weeks later, back home, scrolling through the images on my 
>computer, I kept thinking to myself: “Self, where were you when you 
>took that  photo? Which village was it? How can I properly caption 
>the image if I don’t know the name of the village!”

This is roughly my situation. Lisa and I are doing a lot more travel
these days and I find it very helpful to have GPS tagging on my photos
to tell where each was taken (there were places in the Czech Republic
that I didn't even know the name of until after the trip when I looked
at the GPS coordinates). I'm not interested in adding to either my
shooting workflow (taking notes and getting left behind by the rest of
the group) or my post-processing workflow (synching up with a separate
file of GPS data). And I certainly don't want any extra dongles or
anything to carry with me. A GPS-enabled camera is the simplest
solution. I'll be getting a K-3ii.

BTW: I just noticed that the K-3ii has dual SD card slots! Bravo!
Another feature made to order for me. With the K-1 I always shoot to
both SD cards at once, just in case of memory card failure or one-off
file corruption, the latter of which has happened to me a few times.
 
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Stanley Halpin]

> On Jan 22, 2024, at 4:36 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> On 1/22/2024 2:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> On Jan 21, 2024, at 11:25 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't NEED it, but if I have it built into the camera I don't have to 
>>> fiddle with the phone whenever I want to use it.
>>> 
>>> I don't use it often, but occasionally I'll want to know where I was (in 
>>> more than a general way) when I took a photo.
>> Another side benefit of it, is that it can set the camera's clock to within 
>> a few nanoseconds, and it makes it easier to keep different camera's clocks 
>> synchronized.
> 
> Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time?
> 
> That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different 
> time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, 
> i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting 
> for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway 
> round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours.
> 

John, I don’t trust the time setting 100%. However, the best hack I have found 
is to take a picture of my watch or nearby clock every morning, with whatever 
cameras I have with me, GPS or not. It is easy to re-set the time in metadata 
in LR Classic later, and so I can correct any wrong time zones by camera for 
all shots in the day, and at the same time it synchs all cameras (eg, mine and 
whatever Meg is using) so that a sort by time-shot puts images into proper 
order. Which greatly facilitates selecting multiple images for keyboarding, etc.

Stan
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Bob W PDML]

> On 22 Jan 2024, at 21:36, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time?
> 
> That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different 
> time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, 
> i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting 
> for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway 
> round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours.
> 

I’d expect the satellites to transmit UTC. Local time is a function of UTC and 
the time zone offset and savings time, derived from the GPS coordinates. 

If I were you I’d set all my cameras to UTC, then you shouldn’t have any 
problems merging image files from different cameras and getting the date/time 
sorting all stuffed up. 

Then photograph a town name from time to time so you have an embedded record of 
where you were. Modern operating systems can recognise and select text in image 
files, so you can copy and paste it into the metadata if you want to.

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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[John Sessoms]

On 1/22/2024 2:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote:




On Jan 21, 2024, at 11:25 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

I don't NEED it, but if I have it built into the camera I don't have to fiddle 
with the phone whenever I want to use it.

I don't use it often, but occasionally I'll want to know where I was (in more 
than a general way) when I took a photo.


Another side benefit of it, is that it can set the camera's clock to within a 
few nanoseconds, and it makes it easier to keep different camera's clocks 
synchronized.



Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time?

That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a 
different time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the 
correct time zone, i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it 
doesn't have a setting for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in 
Albuquerque ... or halfway round the world, so the clock may be off 
anywhere 2 to 12 hours.


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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Steve Cottrell]

Mark!

Oh damn.

As you were.

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> On 20 Jan 2024, at 16:32, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
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> I tend to agree with Paul on this


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[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A number of interesting answers to the "why GPS" question, thank you. 

From the answers, I think my long-held workflow practices from non-GPS equipped 
cameras manage to do the same job … when traveling, I keep a journal and update 
it daily with the names and places of everywhere I've visited, any interesting 
sights, any specific photo ops I've made. Since LR came available in 2006, I've 
input a digest of this information with every import operation as IPTC 
information … locations, subjects and notion in keywords, etc. So it's 
typically a lot faster for me to say, "Hmm, where was this photo made and what 
other photos were made around there?" and find the answers by searching IPTC 
metadata rather than depending upon GPS information. GPS information adds to 
that IPTC metadata, but since only one or two of my cameras (and the 
smartphones) have ever had GPS tagging in them, way more of my needs in this 
domain come from the metadata tagging that has been part of my photography 
forever. 

(Older photography from the film era … well, I did the same annotation of the 
negatives with keywords, location, etc on the negative sleeves…)

Since the focus of my photographic efforts is only casually documentarian in 
nature for the most part, the notion of "needing" automated location/time-date 
stamping as part of my photographic efforts has simply never been part of my 
personal work by much. It is something of a curiosity when I go out with only 
the iPhone or the Light L16 cameras and later review the original photos I 
import in the Maps module of LR Classic. 

And of course, I normally strip all metadata in the photos I post to my flickr 
site. To me, the reason for posting photos has little to do, most of the time, 
with where, when, and what equipment was used in the making of the photos. I'm 
interested in the emotional content and expression of photographs, not in the 
literal description of what is imaged… 

Curious stuff to think about. Thank you again. 

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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Stanley Halpin]

Long ago and far away (specifically, Northern Italy, 2007) I took a drive from 
our B lodging around Lago Garda, a beautiful region favored as a vacation 
spot since the Middle Ages if not earlier. Several small fishing villages 
around the lake. I of course stopped at every village and took shots of the 
fishing boats and other boats in the marinas & dock areas.

Two weeks later, back home, scrolling through the images on my computer, I kept 
thinking to myself: “Self, where were you when you took that photo? Which 
village was it? How can I properly caption the image if I don’t know the name 
of the village!”

That’s why I bought a Garmin and used that to track my location until cameras 
started to provide GPS tracking directly or via the O-1. 
Most recently, yesterday I was working on a re-cap of our trip to the Norwegian 
coast last March. Our published itinerary often did not agree with what/where 
actually happened. Weather, ship propulsion issues, etc. The embedded GPS in 
the metadata was hugely helpful!



Stan

> On Jan 21, 2024, at 6:08 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we 
> need GPS location information in our photographs? 
> 
> Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I 
> don't know why I'd want it. 
> I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at 
> the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS 
> location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I 
> haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years. 
> 
> G
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Henk Terhell]

I keep the GPS of my K-1 always on so I don't forget to switch it on.
How much faster this drains my battery, I have no idea.
After a day trip I take the SD card out and also recharge the battery.
Almost never need a spare battery.

Henk

Op 2024-01-22 om 12:04 schreef Bob W PDML:

I can see the value of it even if it’s something that I don’t have much need 
for personally.

To me it would be quite useful sometimes for a camera to connect automatically 
(ie without all the ridiculous faff of camera WiFi connections) using Bluetooth 
or Ant+ or something similar to external devices which have GPS, such as a 
phone, smartwatch or Garmin bike device. So when you press the shutter it can 
just write the current position and time into the image file. I imagine that 
would be less of a drain on the battery than keeping a built-in GPS active.


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[Bob W PDML]

I can see the value of it even if it’s something that I don’t have much need 
for personally.

To me it would be quite useful sometimes for a camera to connect automatically 
(ie without all the ridiculous faff of camera WiFi connections) using Bluetooth 
or Ant+ or something similar to external devices which have GPS, such as a 
phone, smartwatch or Garmin bike device. So when you press the shutter it can 
just write the current position and time into the image file. I imagine that 
would be less of a drain on the battery than keeping a built-in GPS active.

> On 21 Jan 2024, at 23:08, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we 
> need GPS location information in our photographs?
> 
> Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I 
> don't know why I'd want it.
> I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at 
> the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS 
> location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I 
> haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years.
> 
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 22.01.24 um 00:08 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi:

S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we 
need GPS location information in our photographs?


Now, that's an easy one...

Whenever I'm looking for a photo of a particular place or subject to 
accompany one of my blog posts, I can do so using the GPS data. Michael 
has written me a clever little utility that will display a map where I 
can zoom into the wanted area and it will show me the thumbnails of all 
photos taken there. Makes my life a whole lot easier.


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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Henk Terhell]

Well, it is like many other features of a good versatile camera  as weather 
resistance, good AF, tilt screen etc.
I do appreciate these out in the field where I frequently have to sit on my 
knees.
It all depends on the type of photography you are in.

Henk


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S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we 
need GPS location information in our photographs?

Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I don't 
know why I'd want it.
I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at 
the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS 
location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I 
haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years.

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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Larry Colen]

> On Jan 21, 2024, at 11:25 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> I don't NEED it, but if I have it built into the camera I don't have to 
> fiddle with the phone whenever I want to use it.
> 
> I don't use it often, but occasionally I'll want to know where I was (in more 
> than a general way) when I took a photo.

Another side benefit of it, is that it can set the camera's clock to within a 
few nanoseconds, and it makes it easier to keep different camera's clocks 
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[Larry Colen]

> On Jan 21, 2024, at 11:25 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> I don't NEED it, but if I have it built into the camera I don't have to 
> fiddle with the phone whenever I want to use it.
> 
> I don't use it often, but occasionally I'll want to know where I was (in more 
> than a general way) when I took a photo.

Yeah, and sometimes I don't realize that I want to remember where a photo was 
taken until some time later.  Or, I'll just simply forget to use the phone to 
geotag.

It can also be handy to use when looking for a particular photo.



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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[John Sessoms]

I don't NEED it, but if I have it built into the camera I don't have to 
fiddle with the phone whenever I want to use it.


I don't use it often, but occasionally I'll want to know where I was (in 
more than a general way) when I took a photo.


On 1/21/2024 6:08 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we 
need GPS location information in our photographs?

Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I don't 
know why I'd want it.
I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at 
the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS 
location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I 
haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years.

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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[John Sessoms]

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of 
the APS-C cameras have built in GPS.


According to Ricoh, the K-3/K-3 Mark III, K-5/K-5II/K-5IIs can take the 
O-GPS1 module - discontinued according to Ricoh, but if you don't 
already have it you can probably find one NOS or used at KEH ...


They'll all do the GPS function & ASTROTRACER.

On 1/19/2024 6:37 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like
the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like
something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone.



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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we 
need GPS location information in our photographs? 

Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I don't 
know why I'd want it. 
I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at 
the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS 
location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I 
haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years. 

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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

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On 1/21/2024 4:33 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

Good choice, saving the fuzz with handling of the coordinates.
Would also be my choice, however the K-3II is not compatible with my 
favourite lens, the quiet 55-300 PLM version.
The GPS data I need are essential for identification and reporting of 
species in the field. There is a phone app for this, but in many cases 
such as flying insects a long lens is needed.


Henk



According to Ricoh the 55-300 PLM is compatible with the K3II with the 
camera updated to the latest firmware.


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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Henk Terhell]

Correction: the 55-300 PLM can be used on the K-3II with updated firmware.

Henk

Op 2024-01-21 om 11:33 schreef Henk Terhell:

Good choice, saving the fuzz with handling of the coordinates.
Would also be my choice, however the K-3II is not compatible with my 
favourite lens, the quiet 55-300 PLM version.
The GPS data I need are essential for identification and reporting of 
species in the field. There is a phone app for this, but in many cases 
such as flying insects a long lens is needed.


Henk

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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Alan C]

I have a clip-on O-GPS1 which can I use on my trusty K5. Very small & 
easy to use for GPS.


Alan C

On 20-Jan-24 10:41 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 20.01.24 um 21:30 schrieb Larry Colen:
I recently picked up one of these for my bike rides.  It does a nice 
job of logging my rides and doesn't wear my phone batteries down the 
way trying to use the phone GPS apps does.

https://ride.lezyne.com/products/mega-xl-gps

It would be wonderful if I could somehow sync the location data with 
my photos in lightroom.


I use a software called HoudahGeo on my Mac to tag the photos. I'm 
sure there is something comparable for Windows.


Have a look here:

https://alternativeto.net/software/houdahgeo/

Ralf


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[Henk Terhell]

Good choice, saving the fuzz with handling of the coordinates.
Would also be my choice, however the K-3II is not compatible with my 
favourite lens, the quiet 55-300 PLM version.
The GPS data I need are essential for identification and reporting of 
species in the field. There is a phone app for this, but in many cases 
such as flying insects a long lens is needed.


Henk

Op 2024-01-20 om 20:49 schreef Mark Roberts:

Alan C wrote:


It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1.


All right, so the K-3ii it is, then.

A quick look around the web shows they seem to be holding their value
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[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 20.01.24 um 21:30 schrieb Larry Colen:

I recently picked up one of these for my bike rides.  It does a nice job of 
logging my rides and doesn't wear my phone batteries down the way trying to use 
the phone GPS apps does.
https://ride.lezyne.com/products/mega-xl-gps

It would be wonderful if I could somehow sync the location data with my photos 
in lightroom.


I use a software called HoudahGeo on my Mac to tag the photos. I'm sure 
there is something comparable for Windows.


Have a look here:

https://alternativeto.net/software/houdahgeo/

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> On Jan 20, 2024, at 12:14 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 20.01.24 um 11:02 I wrote:
>> I've been using a portable Garmin device that I carry (or rather drive) 
>> along to record my itinerary.
> 
> There were/are also the so-called GPS mice, e.g. the XAiOX iTrackU, small and 
> light-weight devices the size of a mini mouse, logging your itinerary for 
> later automated tagging of your photos back home. Put one in your pocket and 
> forget about it while you shoot with just any camera.

I recently picked up one of these for my bike rides.  It does a nice job of 
logging my rides and doesn't wear my phone batteries down the way trying to use 
the phone GPS apps does.
https://ride.lezyne.com/products/mega-xl-gps

It would be wonderful if I could somehow sync the location data with my photos 
in lightroom.

It does seem that the K-3iii will sync with the phone through the ricoh app.  I 
haven't sorted that out yet, though it can be nice for setting the camera 
clock.  My biggest use for GPS seems to be syncing the camera clocks when using 
multiple cameras.

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[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 20.01.24 um 11:02 I wrote:
I've been using a portable Garmin device that I carry (or rather 
drive) along to record my itinerary.


There were/are also the so-called GPS mice, e.g. the XAiOX iTrackU, 
small and light-weight devices the size of a mini mouse, logging your 
itinerary for later automated tagging of your photos back home. Put one 
in your pocket and forget about it while you shoot with just any camera.


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[Mark Roberts]

Alan C wrote:

>It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1.

All right, so the K-3ii it is, then.

A quick look around the web shows they seem to be holding their value
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[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Henk: smartphones are centered on communications technology, where cameras 
generally are not. Thus the difference … a difference in engineering/design 
focus. 

I tend to agree with Paul on this, however: My favorite cycling camera is my 
now-ancient Light L16. It's like carrying a large cell phone, outputs 50 Mpixel 
raw files, has a zoom range from 28 to 150 mm, and has a full Android OS under 
the covers so it knows all about GPS, WiFi networks, and wireless 
communications. It works well hand-held or on a tripod. A delightful camera … I 
hope the battery lasts a few more years as I'll be sad when it's no longer 
usable. 

G

> On Jan 20, 2024, at 6:22 AM, Comcast  wrote:
> 
> For a bicycle trip all one really needs is a top of the line phone. In good 
> light and with the lens clean (very important with a phone) my iphone 12 pro 
> mac is nearly as good as my Pentax K3, and an iphone 15 pro max is several 
> generations better. And of course it privides GPS and great mapping 
> capability. It can even be used to make a phone call! The era of compact 
> cameras is over. Wrlcome to 2024.
> Paul
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
>> 
>> For me it is incomprehensible that all smartphones have GPS but most DSLRs 
>> and mirrorless not. For landscape and nature pictures it is so useful to 
>> have it on my K-1. If GPS seems to easily fit in a flat phone, why not in an 
>> APSC-C? For me this is another step forward to kill real cameras sales in 
>> favour of smartphones.
>> The use of apps or the clip-on GPS module are cumbersome in the field and 
>> are only stopgaps.
>> 
>> Even adventure cameras like the new Pentax WG-90 do not have GPS.
>> Exceptions are the Ricoh WG-6 (for as long as it is available) and the new 
>> OM TG-7, however their image quality may be on the level of a good phone.
>> 
>> Henk
>> 
>> Op 2024-01-20 om 10:00 schreef Larry Colen:
>>> It seems that the only ones with internal GPS are the K-1, and the K-3II
>>> There might be some mode where you can use the gps off the phone through 
>>> the app on the K-3 III. Or that might be something that I saw my u4/3 can 
>>> theoretically do.
>>> What I have been doing on the K-3 III is just taking photos with phone, 
>>> importing those into lightroom, so I can use those to look on the map to 
>>> see where I took the photos.
> On Jan 20, 2024, at 12:01 AM, Alan C  wrote:
 
 Sorry, none of those - they all need the clip-on O-GPS1 as do the K3i & 
 K3iii, K5 series & a few others.
 
 It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1.
 
 Alan C
 
 On 20-Jan-24 06:30 AM, Alan C wrote:
> https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2
> 
> Alan C
> 
> On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like
>> the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like
>> something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone.
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[Comcast]

For a bicycle trip all one really needs is a top of the line phone. In good 
light and with the lens clean (very important with a phone) my iphone 12 pro 
mac is nearly as good as my Pentax K3, and an iphone 15 pro max is several 
generations better. And of course it privides GPS and great mapping capability. 
It can even be used to make a phone call! The era of compact cameras is over. 
Wrlcome to 2024.
Paul

> On Jan 20, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
> For me it is incomprehensible that all smartphones have GPS but most DSLRs 
> and mirrorless not. For landscape and nature pictures it is so useful to have 
> it on my K-1. If GPS seems to easily fit in a flat phone, why not in an 
> APSC-C? For me this is another step forward to kill real cameras sales in 
> favour of smartphones.
> The use of apps or the clip-on GPS module are cumbersome in the field and are 
> only stopgaps.
> 
> Even adventure cameras like the new Pentax WG-90 do not have GPS.
> Exceptions are the Ricoh WG-6 (for as long as it is available) and the new OM 
> TG-7, however their image quality may be on the level of a good phone.
> 
> Henk
> 
> Op 2024-01-20 om 10:00 schreef Larry Colen:
>> It seems that the only ones with internal GPS are the K-1, and the K-3II
>> There might be some mode where you can use the gps off the phone through the 
>> app on the K-3 III. Or that might be something that I saw my u4/3 can 
>> theoretically do.
>> What I have been doing on the K-3 III is just taking photos with phone, 
>> importing those into lightroom, so I can use those to look on the map to see 
>> where I took the photos.
 On Jan 20, 2024, at 12:01 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, none of those - they all need the clip-on O-GPS1 as do the K3i & 
>>> K3iii, K5 series & a few others.
>>> 
>>> It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1.
>>> 
>>> Alan C
>>> 
>>> On 20-Jan-24 06:30 AM, Alan C wrote:
 https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2
 
 Alan C
 
 On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like
> the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like
> something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone.
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 20.01.24 um 10:37 schrieb Henk Terhell:
For me it is incomprehensible that all smartphones have GPS but most 
DSLRs and mirrorless not.


Might have something to do with battery life, but I'm just guessing.

I've been using a portable Garmin device that I carry (or rather drive) 
along to record my itinerary.


https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/300-kmh-fotoralfbe/44788113

Back at home, photos and GPS data are combined in Houdah Geo. Has been 
working perfectly for many years and it can be used to tag my audio 
recordings as well. Besides, the track data can be viewed in Google Earth.


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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Henk Terhell]

For me it is incomprehensible that all smartphones have GPS but most 
DSLRs and mirrorless not. For landscape and nature pictures it is so 
useful to have it on my K-1. If GPS seems to easily fit in a flat phone, 
why not in an APSC-C? For me this is another step forward to kill real 
cameras sales in favour of smartphones.
The use of apps or the clip-on GPS module are cumbersome in the field 
and are only stopgaps.


Even adventure cameras like the new Pentax WG-90 do not have GPS.
Exceptions are the Ricoh WG-6 (for as long as it is available) and the 
new OM TG-7, however their image quality may be on the level of a good 
phone.


Henk

Op 2024-01-20 om 10:00 schreef Larry Colen:

It seems that the only ones with internal GPS are the K-1, and the K-3II

There might be some mode where you can use the gps off the phone through the 
app on the K-3 III. Or that might be something that I saw my u4/3 can 
theoretically do.

What I have been doing on the K-3 III is just taking photos with phone, 
importing those into lightroom, so I can use those to look on the map to see 
where I took the photos.


On Jan 20, 2024, at 12:01 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Sorry, none of those - they all need the clip-on O-GPS1 as do the K3i & K3iii, K5 
series & a few others.

It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1.

Alan C

On 20-Jan-24 06:30 AM, Alan C wrote:

https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2

Alan C

On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like
the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like
something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone.




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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Larry Colen]

It seems that the only ones with internal GPS are the K-1, and the K-3II

There might be some mode where you can use the gps off the phone through the 
app on the K-3 III. Or that might be something that I saw my u4/3 can 
theoretically do.  

What I have been doing on the K-3 III is just taking photos with phone, 
importing those into lightroom, so I can use those to look on the map to see 
where I took the photos.

> On Jan 20, 2024, at 12:01 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, none of those - they all need the clip-on O-GPS1 as do the K3i & 
> K3iii, K5 series & a few others.
> 
> It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> On 20-Jan-24 06:30 AM, Alan C wrote:
>> https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2
>>  
>> 
>> Alan C
>> 
>> On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>> What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like
>>> the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like
>>> something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone.
>>> 
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Alan C]

Sorry, none of those - they all need the clip-on O-GPS1 as do the K3i & 
K3iii, K5 series & a few others.


It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1.

Alan C

On 20-Jan-24 06:30 AM, Alan C wrote:
https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2 



Alan C

On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like
the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like
something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone.




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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Alan C]

https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2

Alan C

On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like
the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like
something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone.


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Re: Pentax sighting

[Stanley Halpin]

Thanks for the link Paul. That was a good read. I did try to click through his 
17 images, after first 4-5  the next click caused a system restart on my Mac. 
But I saw enough to appreciate his work.

Stan



> On Dec 31, 2023, at 4:25 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> 
> Why photographer Mike De Sisti shot film on a Pentax K1000 for the first time 
> in 20 years
> 
> https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/columnists/2023/12/29/what-i-learned-after-shooting-my-first-roll-of-film-in-over-20-years/7172617/
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Re: Pentax K3 III Monochrome Review

[Henk Terhell]

Their conclusion is that K-1, having a similar cost price as the K-3 III 
monochrome,  provides the same quality in monochrome mode. It would have been 
better to have a monochrome version of the K-1. Otherwise there are no 
important negative comments, except of course the absence of a flippy screen is 
mentioned.

Henk


Van: Larry Colen 

He generally does fair reviews, but I can't take the time at work to watch it, 
though I can get away with occasionally checking email.  Can you summarize?

I'll guess:
If you can afford $2200 for a body that you only use for monochrome, you get a 
stop better performance and better effective resolution.  It'd be great for 
astrophoto buffs that don't care about color.
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Re: Pentax K3 III Monochrome Review

[Larry Colen]

He generally does fair reviews, but I can't take the time at work to watch it, 
though I can get away with occasionally checking email.  Can you summarize?

I'll guess:
If you can afford $2200 for a body that you only use for monochrome, you get a 
stop better performance and better effective resolution.  It'd be great for 
astrophoto buffs that don't care about color.



> On Dec 19, 2023, at 1:38 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Petapixel:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4ZpLIUzjPw 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Cotty
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Re: Pentax MX Film Advance Lever

[Steve Cottrell]

Hi Colin - thanks for the offer but I beg to differ. The MX is unique. The dust 
cap has two small holes for a removal tool (narrow circlip pliers will do) and 
unscrews off the lever to reveal the screw beneath. And it is reverse-threaded 
(don’t ask me how I know ;-)

Third photo down on this page:

https://oldcamera.blog/2015/11/17/asahi-pentax-mx/

Cheers Cotty


> On 28 Jun 2023, at 14:34, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
> 
> Apparently the M series was consistent.
> 
> https://www.ecrater.com/p/42329296/pentax-m-series-original-film-advance?gps=1
>  
> 
> 
> I have one from a trashed ME Super if you’re interested.


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Re: Pentax MX Film Advance Lever

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Apparently the M series was consistent.

https://www.ecrater.com/p/42329296/pentax-m-series-original-film-advance?gps=1

I have one from a trashed ME Super if you’re interested.
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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

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On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 12:47:12PM +0200, Toine wrote:
> even more surprising news: dpreview is still alive!

That's good news!

I had spotted that the archive wasn't going to disappear,
but I wasn't expecting to see any further news items.
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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

[Toine]

even more surprising news: dpreview is still alive!

On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 12:37, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> Another link:
>
>
> https://www.dpreview.com/news/2093227531/pentax-s-first-film-camera-will-be-a-compact-with-a-fixed-lens-but-hints-a-film-slr-may-be-next
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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

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Another link:

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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

[Bill]

Useless for you is not the same as useless.
Just sayin.
More clarity from you when you put your thoughts to words goes a long way
to avoiding misunderstanding.
As for the Corvette, they are all useless, depending on one's POV.

As an aside, on the 2022 Vette, it's 11 hours of book time to change the
water pump. What is GM thinking when they design these things?

bill

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> Thisis all a bit silly. I commented that the camera is useless. That was
> my comment, and it applies to me alone. The Corvette metaphor was over the
> top. Enough of this.
>
>
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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

[Mark Roberts]

I think a new, fixed-lens film camera is the sort of thing a lot of my students 
would go for. They'd never dream of entering the murky world of second-hand, 
30-year-old film cameras. (Nor should they be.)
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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

[Paul Stenquist]

Thisis all a bit silly. I commented that the camera is useless. That was my 
comment, and it applies to me alone. The Corvette metaphor was over the top. 
Enough of this.


> On May 16, 2023, at 1:20 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> Paul  you lose any credibility you might have had when you resort to ad
> hominem attacks.
> 
> bill
> 
> On Tue., May 16, 2023, 10:33 a.m. Paul Stenquist, 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Bill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> One could say the same thing about someone's split window Corvette that
>>> spends it's life locked in a trailer, only to be seen at car shows..
>> 
>> Perhaps, if one were given to exaggeration and fuzzy thinking.
>> Yes, the camera has some value, but I think that for most of us, it’s not
>> particularly useful. You can feel differently of course.
>> Paul
>> 
>>> 
>>> If there is full follow through on this, they will be releasing four film
>>> cameras to go after a resurgent market that is being underserved.
>>> Pentax has also announced that the old FA50/1.4 is being given some
>>> cosmetic updates (sadly, no optical ones from the looks of it), into two
>>> sister models which indicates that they are planning something other than
>>> an inexpensive standard prime for digital.
>>> 
>>> bill
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 4:19 AM Paul Stenquist 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 A useless toy.
 
 Paul
 
> On May 16, 2023, at 5:14 AM, Steve Cottrell 
>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
 
>> https://petapixel.com/2023/05/15/pentaxs-new-film-camera-will-have-a-fixed-non-interchangeable-lens/
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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

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> On May 16, 2023, at 12:34 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> ….
> I have noticed that when there is something that doesn’t appeal to a 
> particular person, they tend to pronounce that it is useless, without 
> considering that it could be a perfect fit for someone else. 
> 
> I think that it is kind of silly for someone to buy a brand new film camera 
> when perfectly servicable ones are practically being given away….

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> On 16 May 2023, at 18:34, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> […]
> 
> I think that it is kind of silly for someone to buy a brand new film camera 
> when perfectly servicable ones are practically being given away.  I 
> personally bought several when I got back into photography because I wanted 
> the lens that came with it.  I honestly lost count of the number of spotties 
> languishing in my drawers, just because I wanted the 50/1.4 supertak that was 
> attached to them.

[…]

The young people buying the used cameras don’t necessarily have the experience 
to know whether they’re buying something that works or not. Last year I had my 
original MX, which I bought new, repaired after it had been languishing in a 
cupboard unused for years. I’ve had to have the repair fixed under warranty. 

But I enjoy using the camera so I decided to buy another MX. I tried and 
returned five, including 2-3 from reputable dealers, not just Joe Random on 
eBay, before I finally found one that is in perfect condition that had been 
serviced by somebody competent.

I also decided I wanted an LX again. I’ve tried two and returned them both, and 
am now having the third serviced by the same competent person who sold me the 
good MX. I had sent it to the technicians with the best reputation here, after 
I shot a roll of ektachrome to flush out any issues. They sent it back 
unusable, telling me it was already broken when I bought it. My reliable guy 
assures me I would not have been able to shoot more than one frame, let alone a 
full roll, if the other tech was correct, and he thinks they broke it. He has 
told me today that he will have it back in my hands in perfect working order by 
the end of next week.

It’s the Wild West out there.

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1970s fixed-lens rangefinders (Oly 35 RD et al) at a decent price they’ll be 
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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

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I think that the serape of snark is large enough to cover more than one person 
in this discussion. 

I have noticed that when there is something that doesn’t appeal to a particular 
person, they tend to pronounce that it is useless, without considering that it 
could be a perfect fit for someone else. 

I think that it is kind of silly for someone to buy a brand new film camera 
when perfectly servicable ones are practically being given away.  I personally 
bought several when I got back into photography because I wanted the lens that 
came with it.  I honestly lost count of the number of spotties languishing in 
my drawers, just because I wanted the 50/1.4 supertak that was attached to them.

However, if Ricoh can start getting some cash flow by leveraging the basic guts 
of an incipient film SLR by putting together a simple rangefinder camera, more 
power to them.

> On May 16, 2023, at 10:20 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> Paul  you lose any credibility you might have had when you resort to ad
> hominem attacks.
> 
> bill
> 
> On Tue., May 16, 2023, 10:33 a.m. Paul Stenquist, 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Bill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> One could say the same thing about someone's split window Corvette that
>>> spends it's life locked in a trailer, only to be seen at car shows..
>> 
>> Perhaps, if one were given to exaggeration and fuzzy thinking.
>> Yes, the camera has some value, but I think that for most of us, it’s not
>> particularly useful. You can feel differently of course.
>> Paul
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[Bill]

Paul  you lose any credibility you might have had when you resort to ad
hominem attacks.

bill

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wrote:

>
>
> > On May 16, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Bill  wrote:
> >
> > One could say the same thing about someone's split window Corvette that
> > spends it's life locked in a trailer, only to be seen at car shows..
>
> Perhaps, if one were given to exaggeration and fuzzy thinking.
> Yes, the camera has some value, but I think that for most of us, it’s not
> particularly useful. You can feel differently of course.
> Paul
>
> >
> > If there is full follow through on this, they will be releasing four film
> > cameras to go after a resurgent market that is being underserved.
> > Pentax has also announced that the old FA50/1.4 is being given some
> > cosmetic updates (sadly, no optical ones from the looks of it), into two
> > sister models which indicates that they are planning something other than
> > an inexpensive standard prime for digital.
> >
> > bill
> >
> > On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 4:19 AM Paul Stenquist 
> wrote:
> >
> >> A useless toy.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
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> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>
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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

[Paul Stenquist]

> On May 16, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> One could say the same thing about someone's split window Corvette that
> spends it's life locked in a trailer, only to be seen at car shows..

Perhaps, if one were given to exaggeration and fuzzy thinking. 
Yes, the camera has some value, but I think that for most of us, it’s not 
particularly useful. You can feel differently of course.
Paul

> 
> If there is full follow through on this, they will be releasing four film
> cameras to go after a resurgent market that is being underserved.
> Pentax has also announced that the old FA50/1.4 is being given some
> cosmetic updates (sadly, no optical ones from the looks of it), into two
> sister models which indicates that they are planning something other than
> an inexpensive standard prime for digital.
> 
> bill
> 
> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 4:19 AM Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
>> A useless toy.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

[Bill]

One could say the same thing about someone's split window Corvette that
spends it's life locked in a trailer, only to be seen at car shows..

If there is full follow through on this, they will be releasing four film
cameras to go after a resurgent market that is being underserved.
Pentax has also announced that the old FA50/1.4 is being given some
cosmetic updates (sadly, no optical ones from the looks of it), into two
sister models which indicates that they are planning something other than
an inexpensive standard prime for digital.

bill

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 4:19 AM Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> A useless toy.
>
> Paul
>
> > On May 16, 2023, at 5:14 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> > 
> >
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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

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It’s useless to those who, like me, still own plenary of film cameras. I guess 
there will be some market for it. but perhaps not enough to make it profitable 
for Ricoh.

> On May 16, 2023, at 11:10 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> 
> If simply having fun is useless. 
> You could say the same about my argue c3, but I got some of my best photos 
> with it when I took it to burning man years ago
> 
> On May 16, 2023 3:18:43 AM PDT, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> A useless toy.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
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If simply having fun is useless. 
You could say the same about my argue c3, but I got some of my best photos with 
it when I took it to burning man years ago

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>
>Paul
>
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Re: Pentax Film Camera News

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 16.05.23 um 16:54 schrieb Steve Cottrell:


It’s interesting to note that a lot of young people into photography are 
curious about film and want to explore possibilities. My own son has acquired a 
film SLR, and also took an old Olympus XA-2 I gave him on holiday loaded with 
Fujifilm. It seems the retro logistics of film is catching on - who’da thunk 
it?!


Some simple compact cameras from the naughties have acquired cult
status. The Olympus :mju 2 in its simplest incarnation with the 35 mm
lens goes on ebay for hundreds of euros, nowadays. Paid less than 100
new when I offered one to my mother for Xmas, many moons ago.

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I think the point of it, according to what I read, is that the useless toy is a 
test-bed on which Ricoh will develop a film SLR.

It’s interesting to note that a lot of young people into photography are 
curious about film and want to explore possibilities. My own son has acquired a 
film SLR, and also took an old Olympus XA-2 I gave him on holiday loaded with 
Fujifilm. It seems the retro logistics of film is catching on - who’da thunk 
it?!

Cotty

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Am 16.05.23 um 12:18 schrieb Paul Stenquist:

A useless toy.


Very much so.

Then again, as long as it brings money into Pentax' coffers it's just as
fine with me as pink, neon-yellow or textmarker-green DSLRs. No-one
forces us to buy them.

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A useless toy.

Paul

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Re: Pentax K3 Mark III Monochrome Matte Black Edition

[Steve Cottrell]

If I had the buying power, I would definitely have one!

Cotty

On 22 Apr 2023, at 01:37, Bill  wrote:

The Matte Black Edition is the same camera as the K3III monochrome with a
cosmetic change. The regular K3III mono will apparently go on sale very
soon, but it seems a lot of people want to spring for the blacked out
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[Bill]

The Matte Black Edition is the same camera as the K3III monochrome with a
cosmetic change. The regular K3III mono will apparently go on sale very
soon, but it seems a lot of people want to spring for the blacked out
camera.

bill

On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:23 AM Mark Roberts 
wrote:

> From my days as a components engineer at an electronics firm, I would be
> very surprised if the minimum order for a specialized item like this sensor
> wasn't at least 1000 units.
>
> Apr 21, 2023 10:35:47 AM Ralf R Radermacher :
>
> > Am 21.04.23 um 15:28 schrieb mike wilson:
> >> I wonder how big a "run" is.  Not into triple figures, I would guess.
> >
> > Could this be the ‘workshop-like’ approach to production that they
> > announced in January of last year?
> >
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[Mark Roberts]

From my days as a components engineer at an electronics firm, I would be very 
surprised if the minimum order for a specialized item like this sensor wasn't 
at least 1000 units.

Apr 21, 2023 10:35:47 AM Ralf R Radermacher :

> Am 21.04.23 um 15:28 schrieb mike wilson:
>> I wonder how big a "run" is.  Not into triple figures, I would guess.
> 
> Could this be the ‘workshop-like’ approach to production that they
> announced in January of last year?
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Am 21.04.23 um 15:28 schrieb mike wilson:

I wonder how big a "run" is.  Not into triple figures, I would guess.


Could this be the ‘workshop-like’ approach to production that they
announced in January of last year?

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Re: Pentax K3 Mark III Monochrome Matte Black Edition

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I wonder how big a "run" is.  Not into triple figures, I would guess.

> On 21/04/2023 14:16 Bill  wrote:
> 
>  
> Apparently they started taking pre orders for the second run of the new
> Monochrome camera earlier today for deliveries in late May.
> It sold out in a couple of hours, so if you want one and didn't get an
> order in, the next batch is slated for sometime in the summer.
> 
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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[Bill]

They have presold the first production run and are taking orders. As
always, Ricehigh has warped tge facts to his narrative.

bill

On Fri., Apr. 14, 2023, 12:00 p.m. John Francis,  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 10:14:36AM +0100, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> >
> >
> https://www.dpreview.com/news/2780405465/ricoh-announces-pentax-k-3-iii-monochrome-dslr
>
> According to a post from ricehigh (there's a name I haven't seen in years)
> Pentax are no longer accepting new orders for this, so presumably there are
> a lot of people who want it.  Either that or they've given up on the idea
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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hi Mark,

In response to your thoughts, here are the results of using the Leica M10 
Monochrom to image an Xrite ColorChecker. 

Leica M10 Monochrom - ColorChecker to Grayscale :: https://flic.kr/p/2oudh5u
Leica M10 Monochrom - Swatch Comparison :: https://flic.kr/p/2oufwVz

As with using B film, you control spectral response in your captures (and the 
relationship between different colors in grayscale) by using B filtering, not 
with image post-processing. 

An interesting point is that the need to use B filtering to control tonal 
relationships between colors is nicely facilitated by the higher sensitivity of 
the monochrome sensor. I can't say about the Pentax K3-III Monochrome, but 
between the Leica M10-R and M10 Monochrom, both nominally 40 Mpixel FF sensors 
from the same sensor family, the difference in acutance and grayscale dynamic 
range is immediately apparent despite the similarity in size and type of the 
two sensors. 

Enjoy!
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> On Apr 13, 2023, at 2:24 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Steve Cottrell wrote:
> 
>> https://www.dpreview.com/news/2780405465/ricoh-announces-pentax-k-3-iii-monochrome-dslr
> 
> Looks interesting. I'll show it to my Digital Photography I class
> tomorrow (coincidentally, "Black & White" was the assignment for this
> week). It'll be interesting to see what they make of it and if there's
> any interest (I won't mention the price because that alone will kill
> any interest from students).
> 
> My thoughts tend in two directions: 
> 
> The disadvantage is being unable to really control spectral response.
> Since they've actually done away with the RGB filters over the pixels
> you're stuck with the spectral response you're given (other than by
> using traditional colored B filters): There'll be no adjusting the
> response curve in post the way you can with RGB images.
> 
> The advantages are, well first of all you *will* be able to use
> traditional colored B filters (the results when they're put over RGB
> sensors are weird). You'll also get higher sensitivity (no filters
> over the pixels) and lower noise (and no chroma noise at all!)
> Theoretically, you should also get finer detail, though with over 25
> megapixels crammed into an APS-C area I'm not sure how evident that
> will be. I'll wait for real-life tests but I imagine you'll need the
> highest resolution lenses to see much difference.
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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hi Mark,

In response to your thoughts, here are the results of using the Leica M10 
Monochrom to image an Xrite ColorChecker. 

Leica M10 Monochrom - ColorChecker to Grayscale :: https://flic.kr/p/2oudh5u
Leica M10 Monochrom - Swatch Comparison :: https://flic.kr/p/2oufwVz

As with using B film, you control spectral response in your captures (and the 
relationship between different colors in grayscale) by using B filtering, not 
with image post-processing. 

An interesting point is that the need to use B filtering to control tonal 
relationships between colors is nicely facilitated by the higher sensitivity of 
the monochrome sensor. I can't say about the Pentax K3-III Monochrome, but 
between the Leica M10-R and M10 Monochrom, both nominally 40 Mpixel FF sensors 
from the same sensor family, the difference in acutance and grayscale dynamic 
range is immediately apparent despite the similarity in size and type of the 
two sensors. 

Enjoy!
G
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> On Apr 13, 2023, at 2:24 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Steve Cottrell wrote:
> 
>> https://www.dpreview.com/news/2780405465/ricoh-announces-pentax-k-3-iii-monochrome-dslr
> 
> Looks interesting. I'll show it to my Digital Photography I class
> tomorrow (coincidentally, "Black & White" was the assignment for this
> week). It'll be interesting to see what they make of it and if there's
> any interest (I won't mention the price because that alone will kill
> any interest from students).
> 
> My thoughts tend in two directions: 
> 
> The disadvantage is being unable to really control spectral response.
> Since they've actually done away with the RGB filters over the pixels
> you're stuck with the spectral response you're given (other than by
> using traditional colored B filters): There'll be no adjusting the
> response curve in post the way you can with RGB images.
> 
> The advantages are, well first of all you *will* be able to use
> traditional colored B filters (the results when they're put over RGB
> sensors are weird). You'll also get higher sensitivity (no filters
> over the pixels) and lower noise (and no chroma noise at all!)
> Theoretically, you should also get finer detail, though with over 25
> megapixels crammed into an APS-C area I'm not sure how evident that
> will be. I'll wait for real-life tests but I imagine you'll need the
> highest resolution lenses to see much difference.
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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[John Sessoms]

One of the parks I used to frequent trying to photograph birds had a 
children's playground I had to walk past on my way down to the lakes.


If I tried to photograph anything along the path I'd sometimes get 
"concerned parents" wanting to know what I was up to and was I 
photographing their kids?


I developed a standard response:

"Photographing kids? Sure - $300 for a 2 hour session and a minimum 
$1,000 print order."


"I'm not working today & I don't have a business card with me, but give 
me your email address/telephone number and we can set up an appointment."


That was usually enough to make them shut up, go away & leave me alone.

On 4/15/2023 8:59 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

Under Dutch/EU privacy legislation the approval of parents is required
before taking pictures of kids at school (or elsewhere).

Op za 15 apr 2023 om 02:46 schreef :



In another thread, people on the small island where I lived are now saying
that news outlets cannot publish photos taken at school events, because the
kids are identifiable.  Has this madness gone too far?


John in Brisbane





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[Henk Terhell]

Under Dutch/EU privacy legislation the approval of parents is required
before taking pictures of kids at school (or elsewhere).

Op za 15 apr 2023 om 02:46 schreef :

>
> In another thread, people on the small island where I lived are now saying
> that news outlets cannot publish photos taken at school events, because the
> kids are identifiable.  Has this madness gone too far?
>
>
> John in Brisbane
>
>
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> On Apr 14, 2023, at 5:57 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> I guess we’re more fortunate in the UK. My whole ethos is about communicating 
> with people and making them feel at ease. Not always convenient of course but 
> without it people do feel threatened. Difficult with cityscape photography I 
> grant you.

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[jcoyle]

Years ago I went back to the UK and as part of the trip was showing my (second) 
 wife places where I used to live.
Outside one house I'd lived in as a teenager, I took a couple of frames with my 
Pentax, at which a woman came storming out telling me I had no right to take a 
picture of her house - fortunately, she calmed down when I explained why. I did 
not attempt to use the reasoning that, being in a public place, I could 
photograph anything ( but not necessarily a person) I wished.
Strangely, in the same trip, I visited my former RAF station and all I needed 
to do was to check with the MP on duty at the guardhouse, to get permission to 
wander around ad take as many as I liked!  It was, though, a medical unit, not 
an operational fighter or bomber unit.
In another thread, people on the small island where I lived are now saying that 
news outlets cannot publish photos taken at school events, because the kids are 
identifiable.  Has this madness gone too far?


John in Brisbane



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Wow!

I guess we’re more fortunate in the UK. My whole ethos is about communicating 
with people and making them feel at ease. Not always convenient of course but 
without it people do feel threatened. Difficult with cityscape photography I 
grant you. Sheesh!

Cotty

On 14 Apr 2023, at 10:38, Ralf R Radermacher mailto:fotor...@gmx.de>> wrote:

Things have definitely taken a turn for the worse since Dutroux in Belgium and 
the accident of an estranged British housewife in Paris.
Today, we're the perverts trying to snatch pics of their kids.

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[Steve Cottrell]

Wow!

I guess we’re more fortunate in the UK. My whole ethos is about communicating 
with people and making them feel at ease. Not always convenient of course but 
without it people do feel threatened. Difficult with cityscape photography I 
grant you. Sheesh!

Cotty

On 14 Apr 2023, at 10:38, Ralf R Radermacher mailto:fotor...@gmx.de>> wrote:

Things have definitely taken a turn for the worse since Dutroux in
Belgium and the accident of an estranged British housewife in Paris.
Today, we're the perverts trying to snatch pics of their kids.

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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[John Francis]

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 10:14:36AM +0100, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> 
> https://www.dpreview.com/news/2780405465/ricoh-announces-pentax-k-3-iii-monochrome-dslr

According to a post from ricehigh (there's a name I haven't seen in years)
Pentax are no longer accepting new orders for this, so presumably there are
a lot of people who want it.  Either that or they've given up on the idea ...
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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[Mark Roberts]

I just read through the comments section on DPreview. Reminded me of
why I haven't looked at DPreview for years.
 
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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 14.04.23 um 10:33 schrieb Steve Cottrell:


Interesting. I guess it’s an aspect of different cultures’ perceptions.


Different cultures and, most of all, different times. There was a time
when a photographer was the friendly guy with a camera who took nice
pictures and people were glad when someone photographed them.

Things have definitely taken a turn for the worse since Dutroux in
Belgium and the accident of an estranged British housewife in Paris.
Today, we're the perverts trying to snatch pics of their kids.

I've taken photos of the blast furnace plant in Seraing with a few
buildings behind me when a crowd emerged from those houses and almost
lynched me because they "knew what's going on with the houses and the
children and all that...".

Another time, some guy with a bad case of testosterone poisoning
followed me in his car all across Liège and insisted on seeing my ID
because I had taken photos in his neighborhood and my car had foreign
numberplates.

I won't mention the guy who stormed out of his house wanting to know why
I had taken pictures of it (I hadn't) or the woman who kicked my Zoom
audio recorder off a sea wall in Ostend because she thought I had
photographed her with it.

I've all but given up taking photos when there are people and, worse
still, children around. It's just not worth it anymore.

HCB would have a hard time nowadays and our museums would be a lot emptier.

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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[Steve Cottrell]

Having to send this again as the previous attempt went over the 10Kb limit for 
size. 10Kb?!??


Interesting. I guess it’s an aspect of different cultures’ perceptions. 
Generally speaking I have no problems photographing in public. Mind you, I have 
been doing it with big video cameras for over 30 years! I find that 
photographing with a phone, nobody cares at all - so probably the best street 
camera is in fact a phone!! I do like a small camera for street though, all set 
up with a deep depth of field and pre-focussed ready to go so it just needs 
lifting to the eye or even shooting from the hip.

Years ago, a pap told me that it was getting ever more difficult to photograph 
celebs and royalty on holiday at the beaches of the rich and famous. They used 
to keep their DSLRs and long lenses hidden under towels until the last second 
to getb their sordid images. Security wisened up to this ploy and it became 
‘difficult’… One bright spark had a change of plan - he would take a more 
consumer -type camera with a fixed zoom lens with him, as well as his 
girlfriend. They would make a holiday of it themselves, and on the beach he 
would stand her between his camera and the subject, so it looked like he was 
snapping her instead of the lazing entourage beyond!

If one really wanted to be incognito on the street, just wander about with an 
Insta360 on a stick, recording video, and choose the still frames afterwards on 
a rainy day. But where’s the skill in that??

Cot

On 13 Apr 2023, at 22:07, Henk Terhell mailto:henk.terh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This video puts the finger on the weak spot in that for street photography
a bulky DSLR nowadays upsets  a lot of people. [snip]
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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Apr 13, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> ...
> Basically, the technical arguments would be “are the tradeoffs worth it?”.  
> You are losing all of your color channel information in exchange for a little 
> bit better performance in other areas.  I suspect that the improved 
> performance (in monochrome) is about on par with the improved performance 
> gained by shooting full frame, or about one sensor generation worth of 
> performance. ...

You underestimate the gains quite a lot. I have both Leica M10 Monochrom and 
M10-R.. both full frame, both 40 Mpixel FF sensors. The M10-M outperforms the 
M10-R very noticeably on both acutance and dynamic range, on usable ISO as 
well... and the M10-R is no slouch either. The M10-M outperforms my MFD 
Hasselblad 907x with 33x44, 50 Mpixel sensor as well, despite the Hassy's full 
16-bit raw files.  

If your interest is the best quality B photography, there is little to 
compete with the M10-M until you get to the much, much more expensive (and 
slower operating), large format MFD back and a technical camera. 

I hope the Pentax KIII monochrome achieves something near the M10-M performance 
as its price will make it a much more accessible choice for those who are 
interested in this kind of work. 

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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

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Steve Cottrell wrote:

>https://www.dpreview.com/news/2780405465/ricoh-announces-pentax-k-3-iii-monochrome-dslr

Looks interesting. I'll show it to my Digital Photography I class
tomorrow (coincidentally, "Black & White" was the assignment for this
week). It'll be interesting to see what they make of it and if there's
any interest (I won't mention the price because that alone will kill
any interest from students).

My thoughts tend in two directions: 

The disadvantage is being unable to really control spectral response.
Since they've actually done away with the RGB filters over the pixels
you're stuck with the spectral response you're given (other than by
using traditional colored B filters): There'll be no adjusting the
response curve in post the way you can with RGB images.

The advantages are, well first of all you *will* be able to use
traditional colored B filters (the results when they're put over RGB
sensors are weird). You'll also get higher sensitivity (no filters
over the pixels) and lower noise (and no chroma noise at all!)
Theoretically, you should also get finer detail, though with over 25
megapixels crammed into an APS-C area I'm not sure how evident that
will be. I'll wait for real-life tests but I imagine you'll need the
highest resolution lenses to see much difference.
 
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This video puts the finger on the weak spot in that for street photography
a bulky DSLR nowadays upsets  a lot of people.
 I do recognize however the beauty of B/W for such type of photography.
Speaking to a street photographer the other day he told me that he mostly
shoot from the hip with a tilted screen so it looks like he is inspecting
his gear or his stored pictures. The X100V would be my choice if I was
serious in this type of photography.

Henk

Op do 13 apr 2023 om 22:50 schreef Steve Cottrell :

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ5LtayQrpo
>
> This guy is very watchable, good video. Speaks from the heart.
>
> Cotty
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Interesting what he says about optical viewfinders and monochrome cameras - 
exactly what I felt.

Actually very interested in this camera after seeing that video.

Paired up with the A*85/1.4 that would be a killer concert camera for shooting 
at music gigs etc.




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ5LtayQrpo

This guy is very watchable, good video. Speaks from the heart.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ5LtayQrpo

This guy is very watchable, good video. Speaks from the heart.

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X100

> On 13 Apr 2023, at 21:08, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Is it an X100, X100S, X100T, X100F or the unobtainable X100V :-)
> 
> 
> 
> On 13 Apr 2023, at 21:04, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
> I have an original X100 which I never use, hardly used at all really, if 
> you’re interested when the dust settles I’m sure we can figure something out.
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Is it an X100, X100S, X100T, X100F or the unobtainable X100V :-)



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I have an original X100 which I never use, hardly used at all really, if you’re 
interested when the dust settles I’m sure we can figure something out.


> I really like an optical viewfinder for mono, so in theory the Pentax wins on 
> that score. The Fuji X20 has an optical viewfinder. I suppose a Leica mono 
> would be pretty good really - a lottery win for me tho! When the dust settles 
> later this year I might pick up an X100 incarnation. I’ve always fancied one 
> :-) I don’t use zooms (for stills) so that would be quite good I think. And 
> when I did use the Pen F, my go-to lens was always the Voigtlander 15mm/4.5 
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> On Apr 13, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I've been working with the Leica M10 Monochrom for about a year now. 
> 
> Larry has it correct ... Think of a monochrome camera's output as a simple 
> recording based on the sensor's spectral sensitivity curve, just as you do 
> with B film, and use B color filters to modify the translation of color 
> tones to grayscale in the same manner that you do with B film. 
> 
> I don't know what "technical arguments" one might have against the notion of 
> a monochrome camera. There are obviously trade-offs ... you don't get color 
> recordings, you do get more dynamic range, acutance, and an increase in 
> sensitivity. You don't have access to 'recovery' tools that will rebuild 
> detail from overexposed data in two of three channels, so getting the 
> exposure right without blowing highlights is important.

Basically, the technical arguments would be “are the tradeoffs worth it?”.  You 
are losing all of your color channel information in exchange for a little bit 
better performance in other areas.  I suspect that the improved performance (in 
monochrome) is about on par with the improved performance gained by shooting 
full frame, or about one sensor generation worth of performance. 

It might actually be closer to comparing one of my Miatas (Mx-5/Eunos) with my 
Mazda 3, or maybe comparing a Fulvia with a Mercedes.  I would not want a Miata 
as my only car again, it has too many limitations, but for when I don’t need 
the room, fuel economy etc. of the 4-door hatchback, there are times when 
driving the Miata is more enjoyable.  Similarly, when you need that last little 
bit of performance for a monochrome image, that you’ll be making wall sized 
prints out of, it’s not much more expensive than buying many of the top end 
Pentax lenses.


> The only 'marketing choice' about it is that monochrome-only cameras have 
> proven to be a pretty popular niche product; offering one if you want to 
> cater to niche audiences is a calculation of what profit you might make from 
> the offering. 

Exactly.


> 
> Photographically, it's just as valid a notion as only buying B film for 
> your film camera when you have a dozen choices of color film available right 
> alongside. And if the advantages of the monochrome-only sensor speak to your 
> work in a better way than B rendering of RGB channel data does, it's a good 
> choice. 

It’s really strange, Godfrey and I seem to basically agree on something.

> 
> I've been rendering B images from color capture data for 45 years. I still 
> do today when I'm not using the M10-M. But that said, the output of the M10-M 
> puts B capture quality at a different level of technical quality: it makes 
> noticeably better quality B photographs compared to the best of 
> RGB->monochrome rendered images. I hope the Pentax KIII Mono does as well. 
> The monochrome-only digital camera suits me very well, but I understand 
> completely that it does not suit all photographers or photographic purposes. 
> :)
> 
> G
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 10:42 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think it is firmware on this one, I think it comes down to the 
>> response of the silicon since it doesn't have a Bayer filter. You would have 
>> to choose a color filter when shooting, just as with black and white film. 
>> I could make all sorts of technical arguments against it, but it's really 
>> just a marketing choice.  
>> ...
>> 
>>> On April 13, 2023 7:27:23 AM PDT, Paul Stenquist  
>>> wrote:
>>> PhotoShop is my monochrome kit. I’d rather control how the various tones 
>>> are rendered in grayscale rather than living it up to the camera and the 
>>> techs who deisgned the firmware.
>>> 
>>> 
> On Apr 13, 2023, at 9:32 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
 
 Nice! If they've done a good job of it, this is a much less costly entry 
 point into a dedicated monochrome kit. 
 
 It's entertaining that its announcement happened within a day of Leica's 
 M11 Monochrom announcement, too.  
 
 G
 
> On Apr 13, 2023, at 5:14 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[Steve Cottrell]

I’m in the process of selling my Olympus Pen F - I haven’t used it hardly at 
all in quite a while, but that’s down to being busy in other areas like music, 
boat-building, oh yeah and work! I still have my trusty little Fuji X20 which 
incidentally I am going to build a custom power supply for as the stupidly tiny 
NP-50 batteries are about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. Found a 
power bank that measure the same width as the camera so will attach underneath 
like an old motor drive.

When I use the X20, there are 2 custom settings on the main dial on top which I 
have set to mono (C1) and colour (C2) with a few tweaks on the mono to boost 
contrast. I’ve always said that I like to carry a camera with me that I have to 
’think’ in black and white with. It works for me. A camera devoted to mono 
would be right up my street, but with heavy expense elsewhere, ain’t no Leica 
on my horizon right now!

Would I be interested in the Pentax? Possibly but I’m into a smaller form 
factor. Really, the Pen F is the perfect size and I shouldn’t be selling it but 
I want to fund an Irish bouzouki (like a mandolin with a long neck). I used the 
Pen F in the same way as the Fuji, with mono output (large/fine jpegs), except 
that being a mirrorless camera the viewfinder was then in monochrome - an 
interesting aspect - thinking in mono and actually ’seeing’ in mono. Not sure 
that it helps the cause or not.

I really like an optical viewfinder for mono, so in theory the Pentax wins on 
that score. The Fuji X20 has an optical viewfinder. I suppose a Leica mono 
would be pretty good really - a lottery win for me tho! When the dust settles 
later this year I might pick up an X100 incarnation. I’ve always fancied one 
:-) I don’t use zooms (for stills) so that would be quite good I think. And 
when I did use the Pen F, my go-to lens was always the Voigtlander 15mm/4.5 
(same angle of view as a 30mm on full-frame) so not far off the X100’s lens.

Hey ho, all the gear and no idea! ;-)

Hope everyone’s well

Cotty






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I've been working with the Leica M10 Monochrom for about a year now. 

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[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I've been working with the Leica M10 Monochrom for about a year now. 

Larry has it correct ... Think of a monochrome camera's output as a simple 
recording based on the sensor's spectral sensitivity curve, just as you do with 
B film, and use B color filters to modify the translation of color tones to 
grayscale in the same manner that you do with B film. 

I don't know what "technical arguments" one might have against the notion of a 
monochrome camera. There are obviously trade-offs ... you don't get color 
recordings, you do get more dynamic range, acutance, and an increase in 
sensitivity. You don't have access to 'recovery' tools that will rebuild detail 
from overexposed data in two of three channels, so getting the exposure right 
without blowing highlights is important. The only 'marketing choice' about it 
is that monochrome-only cameras have proven to be a pretty popular niche 
product; offering one if you want to cater to niche audiences is a calculation 
of what profit you might make from the offering. 

Photographically, it's just as valid a notion as only buying B film for your 
film camera when you have a dozen choices of color film available right 
alongside. And if the advantages of the monochrome-only sensor speak to your 
work in a better way than B rendering of RGB channel data does, it's a good 
choice. 

I've been rendering B images from color capture data for 45 years. I still do 
today when I'm not using the M10-M. But that said, the output of the M10-M puts 
B capture quality at a different level of technical quality: it makes 
noticeably better quality B photographs compared to the best of 
RGB->monochrome rendered images. I hope the Pentax KIII Mono does as well. The 
monochrome-only digital camera suits me very well, but I understand completely 
that it does not suit all photographers or photographic purposes. :)

G

> On Apr 13, 2023, at 10:42 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> 
> I don't think it is firmware on this one, I think it comes down to the 
> response of the silicon since it doesn't have a Bayer filter. You would have 
> to choose a color filter when shooting, just as with black and white film. 
> I could make all sorts of technical arguments against it, but it's really 
> just a marketing choice.  
> ...
> 
>> On April 13, 2023 7:27:23 AM PDT, Paul Stenquist  
>> wrote:
>> PhotoShop is my monochrome kit. I’d rather control how the various tones are 
>> rendered in grayscale rather than living it up to the camera and the techs 
>> who deisgned the firmware.
>> 
>> 
 On Apr 13, 2023, at 9:32 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice! If they've done a good job of it, this is a much less costly entry 
>>> point into a dedicated monochrome kit. 
>>> 
>>> It's entertaining that its announcement happened within a day of Leica's 
>>> M11 Monochrom announcement, too.  
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
 On Apr 13, 2023, at 5:14 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
 
 https://www.dpreview.com/news/2780405465/ricoh-announces-pentax-k-3-iii-monochrome-dslr
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> On 13 Apr 2023, at 17:12, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 13.04.23 um 17:11 schrieb Bob W PDML:
>> That would be only 1,220.
> 
> Is anyone seriously expecting more than that?
> 
> Ralf

Their finance director?


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Am 13.04.23 um 17:11 schrieb Bob W PDML:

That would be only 1,220.


Is anyone seriously expecting more than that?

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That would be only 1,220. 

> On 13 Apr 2023, at 16:05, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> I hope they sell a ton of them.
> 
>> On 4/13/2023 5:14 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[John Sessoms]

I hope they sell a ton of them.

On 4/13/2023 5:14 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:


https://www.dpreview.com/news/2780405465/ricoh-announces-pentax-k-3-iii-monochrome-dslr


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