Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
Yeah, I really like their projection on the 8mm. Its probably one of the best projections out there. The 10-20 I used was indeed the variable aperture one. Compared to my 12-24, there's just no contest. On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: I have their 8mm, it's actually a nice optic, it's not strictly fish-eye either. It's has a stereographic projection which translates to less objectionable distortion in the corners than a regular fish-eye and when used to shoot multi-image panos a better stitch. On 8 December 2013 06:27, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with their lenses is really build quality. They have really good optics, no doubt about that (especially for the cost), but if you look at lensrentals repair list they are all at the top. If they started making nice metal bodied primes, a lot more people would take them more seriously. Then again their prices would go up as well, so I'm all for the cheap plastic fantastics myself. The 24 they make is kind of interesting, but I really want their 8mm fisheye which is pretty superb. This 10 is very intriguing as well. I can't wait to see some shots with it from a K-3. If they can keep distortion low and give good edge to edge sharpness at middle fstops, they will have a real winner. On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 02:24:16AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote: The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the lack of edge sharpness. On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't great IMO. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual override and is cheaper. I've found that the 2/3 stop between f/1.4 and f/1.7 can make a big difference, and that shooting indoors with my 8/3.5 I tend to get a lot of that artsy subject motion blur. I'll be very interested in seeing how this lens works. If Samyang ever starts putting their optics in lenses with autofocus, Tamron and Sigma will be in serious trouble. Then again, if they start doing that, their lenses won't be nearly so inexpensive. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't great IMO. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual override and is cheaper. On 6 December 2013 16:13, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the lack of edge sharpness. On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't great IMO. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual override and is cheaper. On 6 December 2013 16:13, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
Hm, maybe I had a bad copy, but my Sigma 10-20 gave me so many just not sharp pictures. Now I have the 8-16mm, and it is so nice, sharp, and 8mm is so much more than 10mm when looking for extremes... Greetz, Jos On 7-12-2013 16:24, Rob Studdert wrote: The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the lack of edge sharpness. On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't great IMO. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual override and is cheaper. On 6 December 2013 16:13, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
Its possible the copy I used was bad. The edges looks awful. My Pentax 12-24 is razor sharp across the frame at f11. I have no need to go wider or faster. On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Hm, maybe I had a bad copy, but my Sigma 10-20 gave me so many just not sharp pictures. Now I have the 8-16mm, and it is so nice, sharp, and 8mm is so much more than 10mm when looking for extremes... Greetz, Jos On 7-12-2013 16:24, Rob Studdert wrote: The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the lack of edge sharpness. On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't great IMO. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual override and is cheaper. On 6 December 2013 16:13, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
I think my 15 mm is wide enough for me, though this lens is impressive. On 12/6/2013 7:13 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 02:24:16AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote: The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the lack of edge sharpness. On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't great IMO. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual override and is cheaper. I've found that the 2/3 stop between f/1.4 and f/1.7 can make a big difference, and that shooting indoors with my 8/3.5 I tend to get a lot of that artsy subject motion blur. I'll be very interested in seeing how this lens works. If Samyang ever starts putting their optics in lenses with autofocus, Tamron and Sigma will be in serious trouble. Then again, if they start doing that, their lenses won't be nearly so inexpensive. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
The problem with their lenses is really build quality. They have really good optics, no doubt about that (especially for the cost), but if you look at lensrentals repair list they are all at the top. If they started making nice metal bodied primes, a lot more people would take them more seriously. Then again their prices would go up as well, so I'm all for the cheap plastic fantastics myself. The 24 they make is kind of interesting, but I really want their 8mm fisheye which is pretty superb. This 10 is very intriguing as well. I can't wait to see some shots with it from a K-3. If they can keep distortion low and give good edge to edge sharpness at middle fstops, they will have a real winner. On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 02:24:16AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote: The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the lack of edge sharpness. On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't great IMO. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual override and is cheaper. I've found that the 2/3 stop between f/1.4 and f/1.7 can make a big difference, and that shooting indoors with my 8/3.5 I tend to get a lot of that artsy subject motion blur. I'll be very interested in seeing how this lens works. If Samyang ever starts putting their optics in lenses with autofocus, Tamron and Sigma will be in serious trouble. Then again, if they start doing that, their lenses won't be nearly so inexpensive. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
Might depend on which Sigma 10-20 you had. There are two versions. I think the f/4-f/5.6 version is supposed to be a (teeny-tiny) little bit sharper than the constant aperture f/3.5 version. On 12/7/2013 10:32 AM, Jos from Holland wrote: Hm, maybe I had a bad copy, but my Sigma 10-20 gave me so many just not sharp pictures. Now I have the 8-16mm, and it is so nice, sharp, and 8mm is so much more than 10mm when looking for extremes... Greetz, Jos On 7-12-2013 16:24, Rob Studdert wrote: The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the lack of edge sharpness. On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't great IMO. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual override and is cheaper. On 6 December 2013 16:13, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
I have their 8mm, it's actually a nice optic, it's not strictly fish-eye either. It's has a stereographic projection which translates to less objectionable distortion in the corners than a regular fish-eye and when used to shoot multi-image panos a better stitch. On 8 December 2013 06:27, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with their lenses is really build quality. They have really good optics, no doubt about that (especially for the cost), but if you look at lensrentals repair list they are all at the top. If they started making nice metal bodied primes, a lot more people would take them more seriously. Then again their prices would go up as well, so I'm all for the cheap plastic fantastics myself. The 24 they make is kind of interesting, but I really want their 8mm fisheye which is pretty superb. This 10 is very intriguing as well. I can't wait to see some shots with it from a K-3. If they can keep distortion low and give good edge to edge sharpness at middle fstops, they will have a real winner. On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 02:24:16AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote: The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the lack of edge sharpness. On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't great IMO. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual override and is cheaper. I've found that the 2/3 stop between f/1.4 and f/1.7 can make a big difference, and that shooting indoors with my 8/3.5 I tend to get a lot of that artsy subject motion blur. I'll be very interested in seeing how this lens works. If Samyang ever starts putting their optics in lenses with autofocus, Tamron and Sigma will be in serious trouble. Then again, if they start doing that, their lenses won't be nearly so inexpensive. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
f2.8 @ 10mm doesn't come lightly. 1.5lbs really isn't all that heavy though. I'm very intrigued by this lens! On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Vey interesting. Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
And look, it has nano coatings and that red band on the barrel just like the newest Pentax lenses. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
:-) Nano-shmano..., - says a professor in nano-materials. Those are not red bands, but just very small (micro-? nano-?) red turbans. That's a secret sign of the descendants of Red Turban troops stuck in Korea since 1360. They might have some emissaries embedded in Ricoh. ;-) Igor Fri Dec 6 10:51:52 EST 2013 Bob Sullivan wrote: And look, it has nano coatings and that red band on the barrel just like the newest Pentax lenses. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
The pic looks like it is M mount and not A. Alas. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
On 06/12/2013 11:17 AM, CollinB wrote: The pic looks like it is M mount and not A. Alas. It looks like they are releasing it in 10 different mounts, what's the problem? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
Igor, It makes me wonder if Samyang isn't manufacturing lenses for Ricoh us. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: :-) Nano-shmano..., - says a professor in nano-materials. Those are not red bands, but just very small (micro-? nano-?) red turbans. That's a secret sign of the descendants of Red Turban troops stuck in Korea since 1360. They might have some emissaries embedded in Ricoh. ;-) Igor Fri Dec 6 10:51:52 EST 2013 Bob Sullivan wrote: And look, it has nano coatings and that red band on the barrel just like the newest Pentax lenses. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
All their lenses are A mount IIRC. I wouldn't worry too much. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Igor, It makes me wonder if Samyang isn't manufacturing lenses for Ricoh us. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: :-) Nano-shmano..., - says a professor in nano-materials. Those are not red bands, but just very small (micro-? nano-?) red turbans. That's a secret sign of the descendants of Red Turban troops stuck in Korea since 1360. They might have some emissaries embedded in Ricoh. ;-) Igor Fri Dec 6 10:51:52 EST 2013 Bob Sullivan wrote: And look, it has nano coatings and that red band on the barrel just like the newest Pentax lenses. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
On 06/12/2013 11:33 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Igor, It makes me wonder if Samyang isn't manufacturing lenses for Ricoh us. Regards, Bob S. Check out the family resemblance between the DA*55/1.4 and this Samyang. Pay particular attention to the cover on the focus ring. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 06/12/2013 11:37 AM, Zos Xavius wrote: All their lenses are A mount IIRC. I wouldn't worry too much. It's being listed as a KaF. The mount shown in the picture is a Nikon mount, which doesn't have an A setting. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/12/2013 11:37 AM, Zos Xavius wrote: All their lenses are A mount IIRC. I wouldn't worry too much. It's being listed as a KaF. The mount shown in the picture is a Nikon mount, which doesn't have an A setting. bill All their Pentax lenses have been KA mount. Contacts and A setting for metering and auto aperture stopdown, but no AF (alas). Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill, Yes, same double row of grip bumps on the DA*55/1.4 and DFA50/2.8 Macro also. Think they have an overstock of the grip rubber or molds??? Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/12/2013 11:33 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Igor, It makes me wonder if Samyang isn't manufacturing lenses for Ricoh us. Regards, Bob S. Check out the family resemblance between the DA*55/1.4 and this Samyang. Pay particular attention to the cover on the focus ring. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC
On Dec 6, 2013, at 6:13 pm, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime I don't think I'd worry too much about a lack of AF at 10mm. It reminds me of the SMC-A 15mm f/3.5... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual override and is cheaper. On 6 December 2013 16:13, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That really is quite interesting. I would have hoped that Pentax would produce something in this focal length as they are still all aps-c. On 12/6/2013 12:13 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Vey interesting. Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang. Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It might of interest to some people here. http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime Cheers, Igor -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bryan Jacoby wrote on Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:39:07 -0700 So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!? I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been optimistic about the future. But these new lens prices seem, shall we say, less than well-considered. I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that. Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA* 16-50mm. Can anybody explain this to me? On the bright side, the price of the FA 31mm Limited hasn't changed, and in comparison it now seems like a heck of a deal. How could I not buy one? I won't try to defend this price increase, as i don't know Pentax' cost structure, but I would wager that their new Ricoh masters took a look at their costs and P/L before deciding to make this move. If you look at Ricoh's existing product prices you see that they price for a niche market, and Pentax has been drifting in that direction for years. That said, if you enjoy reading posters frothing at the mouth (pen?) and having a hissy fit over this issue, take a gander at the Pentax DSLR Forum on DPR… Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Agreed. Some zooms are just Freudian for polite company. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: What Christine said--that's me too on the 16-5mm--I so hate that external zoom. There's something very rude about the way it juts out. :-) Course, I do wish I could replace my DA 16-45mm with a weather sealed lens--I can't deny that, but I've become very skilled at walking between raindrops--so I got me a work-around :-). Cheers, Christine/Chicago On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old price, due to the lens' uneven reputation. I can't imagine shelling out at the new price. I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens. I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-) I remember you telling me how much you like that lens! And a couple of times since then, I've been ready to pull the trigger, and... I see a fresh batch of mixed reviews, and I stop. Beyond that, I don't love the external zoom... The weather sealing is nice, but... really, I'm not much for rainy hikes. All that humidity totally wrecks my hair. :) -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Prices are rising across the board on camera equipment, due to cost of materials, cost of doing business, and the general economic climate. Look at Canon's 5D III .. it's not *that* much more camera than the 5D II yet its intro price is $1000 higher. And Nikon, Canon and Leica have all done lens price revisions lately. Buy less, use it more. G On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Bryan Jacoby bryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!? I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been optimistic about the future. But these new lens prices seem, shall we say, less than well-considered. I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that. Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA* 16-50mm. Can anybody explain this to me? On the bright side, the price of the FA 31mm Limited hasn't changed, and in comparison it now seems like a heck of a deal. How could I not buy one? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Groan. The 16-50 has been on my wish list for a while... I guess I should have bought it $700 ago. I can understand incremental price increases, but almost double? Yikes. For a long time, one of the advantages of Pentax has been the value proposition... if that goes away, then what? Just as expensive as Canikon, but quirkier, and with no FF option? -c On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bryan Jacoby bryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!? I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been optimistic about the future. But these new lens prices seem, shall we say, less than well-considered. I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that. Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA* 16-50mm. Can anybody explain this to me? On the bright side, the price of the FA 31mm Limited hasn't changed, and in comparison it now seems like a heck of a deal. How could I not buy one? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Prices are rising across the board on camera equipment, due to cost of materials, cost of doing business, and the general economic climate. Look at Canon's 5D III .. it's not *that* much more camera than the 5D II yet its intro price is $1000 higher. And Nikon, Canon and Leica have all done lens price revisions lately. Buy less, use it more. The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as its Canon and Nikon equivalents. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as its Canon and Nikon equivalents. Right. So the question is: is that a good idea, given Pentax's position in the market? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Probably a good idea given their cost structure... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Bryan Jacoby bryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as its Canon and Nikon equivalents. Right. So the question is: is that a good idea, given Pentax's position in the market? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The DA 55~300 increase is actually late in coming. A Fan - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 9:13 AM Subject: Re: New lens prices Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Prices are rising across the board on camera equipment, due to cost of materials, cost of doing business, and the general economic climate. Look at Canon's 5D III .. it's not *that* much more camera than the 5D II yet its intro price is $1000 higher. And Nikon, Canon and Leica have all done lens price revisions lately. Buy less, use it more. The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as its Canon and Nikon equivalents. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Bryan Jacoby bryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as its Canon and Nikon equivalents. Right. So the question is: is that a good idea, given Pentax's position in the market? Probably a good idea given their cost structure... Could be. But I note that the Nikon 17-55/2.8 at $1424.00 (BH) isn't weather sealed; the Canon 16-35/2.8 at 1699.00 *is* weather sealed but costs almost $200 more than the Pentax and only goes to 35mm at the long end. At a certain point, Pentax has to price their lenses comparably to the competition because a lot of people will assume that cheaper means inferior and expensive = better. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/3/2012 11:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Bryan Jacobybryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: The Penatx 16-50, for example, is now priced in the same ballpark as its Canon and Nikon equivalents. Right. So the question is: is that a good idea, given Pentax's position in the market? Probably a good idea given their cost structure... Could be. But I note that the Nikon 17-55/2.8 at $1424.00 (BH) isn't weather sealed; the Canon 16-35/2.8 at 1699.00 *is* weather sealed but costs almost $200 more than the Pentax and only goes to 35mm at the long end. At a certain point, Pentax has to price their lenses comparably to the competition because a lot of people will assume that cheaper means inferior and expensive = better. It's a good thing I love the old manual primes so much! Though, I can't help but wonder how much pressure this will put on the vintage glass market. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: At a certain point, Pentax has to price their lenses comparably to the competition because a lot of people will assume that cheaper means inferior and expensive = better. The critical thing is that Ricoh/Pentax increase the build quality (particularly on this specific lens!) so that it's worth the new price point. Based on the problematic history reported here and elsewhere, I wouldn't pay this amount of money for the DA*16-50/2.8 lens. I had one, I sold it to a friend (and I wouldn't do that if I had any reservations about the one I had), but I've seen reports from others on everything from poor centering to failed focus motors, and mixed reviews on warranty service for it too. That could ba a $1400 hassle. I paid a similar price for a couple of the Olympus ZD lenses I've owned. Comparing them to the new Pentax lenses I've owned, I could easily see why they were worth the additional money: far superior construction quality, flawless reliability. (I won't get into debates about their optical performance.) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: The critical thing is that Ricoh/Pentax increase the build quality (particularly on this specific lens!) so that it's worth the new price point. Based on the problematic history reported here and elsewhere, I wouldn't pay this amount of money for the DA*16-50/2.8 lens. I had one, I sold it to a friend (and I wouldn't do that if I had any reservations about the one I had), but I've seen reports from others on everything from poor centering to failed focus motors, and mixed reviews on warranty service for it too. That could ba a $1400 hassle. Agreed. I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old price, due to the lens' uneven reputation. I can't imagine shelling out at the new price. -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-04-03 10:35 Mark Roberts wrote At a certain point, Pentax has to price their lenses comparably to the competition because a lot of people will assume that cheaper means inferior and expensive = better. i can see that working both ways — good equipment at a better price can also build a reputation but i can't say that i understand the shape of the Pentax market; as a single data point myself, i had been cautiously considering purchasing new Pentax lenses, but now i'm not even considering it; to make the price increase logical, Ricoh must expect enough profit from reduced unit sales to offset people like me i think Ricoh missed an opportunity to couple the price increase with a really strong support plan, and/or better warranty; that would have gotten the market's attention in a positive way -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Last year's earthquake tsunami along with other natural disasters in Asia have affected the cost of production. I know that when Thailand flooded last year hard-drive prices spiked. I bought a 1.5TB drive for $60.00 in July and after the floods, the cheapest I could find that same drive was about $200.00. It's back down to $100.00 now. Looks like prices have come down some since they're beginning to recover. Maybe the same will happen with camera lens prices. From: Christine Nielsen Groan. The 16-50 has been on my wish list for a while... I guess I should have bought it $700 ago. I can understand incremental price increases, but almost double? Yikes. For a long time, one of the advantages of Pentax has been the value proposition... if that goes away, then what? Just as expensive as Canikon, but quirkier, and with no FF option? -c On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bryan Jacoby bryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!? I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been optimistic about the future. ?But these new lens prices seem, shall we say, less than well-considered. I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that. Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA* 16-50mm. ?Can anybody explain this to me? On the bright side, the price of the FA 31mm Limited hasn't changed, and in comparison it now seems like a heck of a deal. ?How could I not buy one? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Bryan Jacoby bryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: So, how 'bout them new lens prices?!? I have been pretty impressed with what I've seen in the Ricoh era (yes, I think the K-01 is a great idea) and therefore I've been optimistic about the future. But these new lens prices seem, shall we say, less than well-considered. I guess I can understand a pricing policy designed to give bricks-and-morter shops a chance to compete, but I don't see how it's necessary to nearly double the price of some lenses to do that. Sorry, but I don't see people lining up to pay $1500 for a DA* 16-50mm. Can anybody explain this to me? I sure can't, especially when I can get a tamron 16-50/2.8 for $400 - $500. The weather proofing and the brand name are not worth $1000 to me. --- Sam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old price, due to the lens' uneven reputation. I can't imagine shelling out at the new price. I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens. I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Sam L wrote: I sure can't, especially when I can get a tamron 16-50/2.8 for $400 - $500. The weather proofing and the brand name are not worth $1000 to me. The weather proofing is critical for me. The 16-50 on the K-5 is a nearly perfect daily driver combination. It's fast enough for most lighting situations, it covers the critical zoom range, and in most cases, it's sharp enough that any difference in sharpness between it and a prime is moot, if it's even noticeable. Being able to take my camera out and shoot no matter what the weather, even if it's raining, or a dust storm, is crucial. I've gotten some of my best photos because I didn't need to worry if my camera got wet. I would love to have a DA* (weather sealing and quick shift focus) version of the DA35 macro as a daily driver prime. That would be close to the perfect lens for photo walks in the woods. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens prices
On Apr 3, 2012, at 14:27, Mark Roberts wrote: I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens. I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-) Only problem I've had is when I dropped my camera bag and the lens took the brunt of impact. My fault. Had to get it serviced. Otherwise, I love having this camera out when I'm walking in the rain. It sits over my shoulders on TOP OF the camera bag, so I'm ready even if I'm in a downpour. Effective and entertaining, especially when someone points to my bag and says uhm, sir? your camera's getting wet! Yes, I know. BUT with that being said: I wouldn't pay $1500 for that. Even the approx $800 price was a bit much to swallow way back when. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens prices
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old price, due to the lens' uneven reputation. I can't imagine shelling out at the new price. I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens. I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-) I remember you telling me how much you like that lens! And a couple of times since then, I've been ready to pull the trigger, and... I see a fresh batch of mixed reviews, and I stop. Beyond that, I don't love the external zoom... The weather sealing is nice, but... really, I'm not much for rainy hikes. All that humidity totally wrecks my hair. :) -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens prices
I must have missed that. I'm sure glad I've already got the 16-50, 50-135 60-250; Between them they now add up to around $2000 more than I paid. They're nice glass, but I'd think hard before paying that much. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens prices
What Christine said--that's me too on the 16-5mm--I so hate that external zoom. There's something very rude about the way it juts out. :-) Course, I do wish I could replace my DA 16-45mm with a weather sealed lens--I can't deny that, but I've become very skilled at walking between raindrops--so I got me a work-around :-). Cheers, Christine/Chicago On Apr 3, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: I was having a hard time justifying the purchase at the old price, due to the lens' uneven reputation. I can't imagine shelling out at the new price. I bought my 16-50 as soon as the lens was introduced and it's worked without a hitch for years, including several rain-sodden hikes across Grandfather Mountain. It's my most-used lens. I know I'm just one data point but it's the data points that experience a failure that usually make the loudest noises ;-) I remember you telling me how much you like that lens! And a couple of times since then, I've been ready to pull the trigger, and... I see a fresh batch of mixed reviews, and I stop. Beyond that, I don't love the external zoom... The weather sealing is nice, but... really, I'm not much for rainy hikes. All that humidity totally wrecks my hair. :) -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens for all you 645D owners
Hm... I see that dpReview has timed the announcement to general availability. Wonder what the problem with that lens has been. Will query my pusher over the week-end. Ten months' delay between first and second deliveries is quite substantial... I wrote: Well that was about time for dpReview. They're about one year amiss on the launch date. :-) Had my paws on one over here in June last year. Lovely beast, but heavy and big. Just like its price tag... :-( -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens for all you 645D owners
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: 25mm f/4.0 Looks vry nice indeed! At five thousand dollars list price it had better be! http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/03/22/Pentax-announced-25mm-F4-lens-for-645D Colour me unexcited. Where are all the new 150-200mm portrait lenses? My upgrade-from-K20D fund is still safe. Although I did twinge a bit when you were selling that 200mm f/4. Could I hide that somewhere around the house? Hmmm... -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens for all you 645D owners
Bruce Walker wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: 25mm f/4.0 Looks vry nice indeed! At five thousand dollars list price it had better be! http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/03/22/Pentax-announced-25mm-F4-lens-for-645D Colour me unexcited. Where are all the new 150-200mm portrait lenses? My upgrade-from-K20D fund is still safe. Although I did twinge a bit when you were selling that 200mm f/4. Could I hide that somewhere around the house? Hmmm... It's still available ;-) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens for all you 645D owners
Well that was about time for dpReview. They're about one year amiss on the launch date. :-) Had my paws on one over here in June last year. Lovely beast, but heavy and big. Just like its price tag... :-( -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: New lens - 300mm or 400mm - Sigma 135-400mm APO
Hi Jens I had the 135-400 for a while and was quite dissappointed with it, I went back to using the 300/4 APO with 1.4 EX TC and 70-200/2.8. Apparently the new 120-400 HSM is much better, but after seeing samples from one being sold for £400 on Ebay, I resigned myself to sticking with DA*300/4 amd Tamron 1.4 TC I'd love to find a Sigma 400/5.6 APO at a reasonable cost though to get the full benefit of SR, however recently I'xe come to the conclusion thet there's no substitute for fast shutter speeds when shooting wildlife and sports. Regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jens [p...@planfoto.dk] Sent: 27 June 2009 08:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: New lens - 300mm or 400mm - Sigma 135-400mm APO Hello list I was recently recommended, by some og you great guys, buying af Pentax 300mm F4 lens. I decided the cost was too high (considering how litle use this lens would get). So, I got a used Sigma 135-400mm APO lens. I have made som test shots, an I must say I'm not thrilled. Not very sharp, but still much better than my old Tokina 500mm mirror lens. But the Sigma cannot compete at all with neither the M* 4/300mm or the FA* 2.8 80-200mm. But I wanted auto focus and 300mm or more. I will, however do some more test at very short shutter speeds - to see if that helps. Perhaps 1/2000 secs. Regards Jens -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New lens - 300mm or 400mm - Sigma 135-400mm APO
Jens, I never owned any of those telephoto (zom or prime) but spaking Sigma, the 50-500 is said to be better than any other telephoto zoom from Sigma. It is of course more expensive as well. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Jensp...@planfoto.dk wrote: Hello list I was recently recommended, by some og you great guys, buying af Pentax 300mm F4 lens. I decided the cost was too high (considering how litle use this lens would get). So, I got a used Sigma 135-400mm APO lens. I have made som test shots, an I must say I'm not thrilled. Not very sharp, but still much better than my old Tokina 500mm mirror lens. But the Sigma cannot compete at all with neither the M* 4/300mm or the FA* 2.8 80-200mm. But I wanted auto focus and 300mm or more. I will, however do some more test at very short shutter speeds - to see if that helps. Perhaps 1/2000 secs. Regards Jens -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Lens for ZX-5n ?
chuck wrote: The Pentax 28-105 on my ZX-5n got banged by an errant child. Seems to work OK, except the results have gotten darker, less bright, then they used to be. Could this be a damaged lens? In any case I am up for an upgrade. What are suggested lenses for this camera? Either Pentax brand or other? The power-zoom FA28-105 seems to be generally accepted as the best in that range of focal lengths. See also http://www.stans-photography.info S
Re: New Lens for ZX-5n ?
chuck wrote: The Pentax 28-105 on my ZX-5n got banged by an errant child. Seems to work OK, except the results have gotten darker, less bright, then they used to be. Could this be a damaged lens? In any case I am up for an upgrade. What are suggested lenses for this camera? Either Pentax brand or other? There is the SMC Pentax-FA 28-105 f/3.2-4.5 IF AL, which is well-rated for its weight and price. It is definitely an upgrade from the vast array of inferior 28-80 FA lenses out there. If you want higher end than that, there's the SMC Pentax-FA 24-90, which is supposed to be excellent. Beyond that, there's the 28-70 f/2.8, but it's a heavy sucker. I guess you have to ask yourself and answer the question of in what way is the 28-105 not meeting your needs? If it's a matter of low light use, and image quality, get a prime like the SMC Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, or the 35, or 28, or splurge for a Limited lens. If it's not giving you the telephoto range you need, or it isn't wide enough, there are other alternatives to meet those more specific needs too.
Re: New Lens for ZX-5n ?
Find another 28-105. I love mine on the PZ-1 and istD Dave The Pentax 28-105 on my ZX-5n got banged by an errant child. Seems to work OK, except the results have gotten darker, less bright, then they used to be. Could this be a damaged lens? In any case I am up for an upgrade. What are suggested lenses for this camera? Either Pentax brand or other? thanks chuck
Re: New Lens for ZX-5n ?
If you want something a little wider, the FA24-90 seems to have a good reputation or just another FA28-105 used. They are a bargain tho' I don't know which one you have. I have the pz version (heavy but a good lens). I broke it once, and sent it to Pentax for repair and still have it. Check out Stan's site for comments on the various zooms. http://stans-photography.info/ Mark Stringer - Original Message - From: chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: New Lens for ZX-5n ? The Pentax 28-105 on my ZX-5n got banged by an errant child. Seems to work OK, except the results have gotten darker, less bright, then they used to be. Could this be a damaged lens? In any case I am up for an upgrade. What are suggested lenses for this camera? Either Pentax brand or other? thanks chuck
Re: New Lens, Same Story?
The continuation of my quest for a decent F/FA 300 f4.5. Part of my post two days ago: Got back from overnight travel to Denver. The FA* 300 f4.5 had arrived from Vancouver Then I took it out for a quick test -- usual subject, a mud-brick wall shot on a tripod. Result: the lens is softer than the damaged F* 300 f4.5 that I just returned. Okay, I shot some more tests today and re-evaluated the ones I shot two nights ago. Result: On some images the new (to me) FA* 300 f4.5 seems to be giving decent results, on other images seems soft. A month ago I had an F* 300 f4.5 that was perfect on the outside but had spots across the rear element. I tested it pretty thoroughly before sending it back. It seemed to produce some decent images, but those spots bothered me. Anyway, I can take the new FA 300 and duplicate the same tests I did with the F 300. These duplicated tests are what made me doubt the new lens. OTOH, the tests are not exactly the same. I am shooting the same subject, but the position of the sun has changed too much in the past month. So some of the test results are not strictly comparable. So what does one do with an expensive (to me) and increasingly rare lens that is testing inconsistently? 1.Return it? Then I'd have my money back and could keep looking for a good one. 2. Try it some more, possibly miss the opportunity to return it, and try to sell it later if it is indeed unsatisfactory? This might work, but in the meantime I might miss a good one that comes up for sale. I'll probably try it some more. Trouble is, I have one of my travel-months-from-h*** coming up and will be away three of the next five weeks. Arghhh!!! How could I get three bad ones in a row? Incidentally, I tried my tests today with both manual and autofocus, to see if autofocus was causing the problem. Guess what? Autofocus is far more accurate than I am. Joe
Re: New Lens, Same Story?
Could the inconsistant results due to less than perfect support or didn't use 2s self-timer with pre-fire? I have found the 2s MLU is a great way to reduce vibration no matter how rigid the tripod is. Have you tried a more stable tripod/head? The best way to make sure precise focus is a magnifier. But if you are certain there is something wrong (left/right sharpness light-fall-off look different are indications), return it to Kerrisdale is the best option imho. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
Re: New Lens, Same Story?
- Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter Subject: New Lens, Same Story? I cannot believe that I could have gotten three bad ones in a row. What a disappointment. What frustration. Joe, I don't think its possible to get three flawed lenses in a row, even from Pentax. I would certainly be looking at other factors. 1/500 second is still shooting at the sync speed is, so don't let that fool you. Try wrapping the tripod legs with a bungee cord to dampen any singing. Better still, try a different tripod, preferably a wood one. Don't extend the legs of the tripod, nor the column if it has one. Attaching the tripod to the camera is always going to produce less vibration effect than attaching the tripod to the lens. William Robb
Re: New Lens, Same Story?
--- Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot believe that I could have gotten three bad ones in a row. What a disappointment. Well, I got four bad FA*200/2.8 in a roll, if that makes u feel better (probably not)... But Pentax Japan finally inspected and sent me a perfect one from Japan eventually. Maybe it is the difference between attaching the tripod in the middle of the lens/camera assembly (F* 300) vs. having to attach the tripod to the camera (FA* 300). At f4.5, though, I was shooting at 1/500 of a second. So I cannot see how the tripod mount could have made the difference. You may be surprised, but I actually discovered all pics are sharper w/o tripod collar at all shutter speed with or without MLU (with Z-1p anyway, a known vibrator). But then I used B1 ballhead which might make the most difference. I would certainly suggest you do more tests before giving up. Maybe you want to check for any sign of repair too. What frustration. I know... Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: New Lens, Same Story?
based on your other msg, time to compare with the lens on another camera. Herb - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:29 PM Subject: New Lens, Same Story? Then I took it out for a quick test -- usual subject, a mud-brick wall shot on a tripod. Result: the lens is softer than the damaged F* 300 f4.5 that I just returned. I am baffled how this could be. Except for just a little typical dust, the optics look fine. The F version that I just returned had the rear element covered in spots of something.
Re: New Lens, Same Story?
On Tue, 17 May 2005 20:29:37 -0600, Joseph Tainter wrote: I cannot believe that I could have gotten three bad ones in a row. What a disappointment. That is really strange to me Joseph, since my F* 300/4.5 is almost as sharp, or maybe as sharp, as my FA* 200/2.8. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: New lens series?
But it might not be that bad if Pentax managed to release a series of affordble DA lenses which keep *istD shooters happy. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan These are lenses particularly suited for digital but it is not lenses with reduced image circle. Typical of my trusted Pentax sources to get details wrong :-( _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: New lens series?
Digital-ready lenses really do contain a difference and it's most evidenced with wide-angle lenses. It has to do with the angle used to provide full coverage. Specifically, straightening out the large angles so that light hits the sensor more vertically. This impoves greately the image quality toward the outside of the sensor. Schneider has been concentrating on this characteristic for several years in the LF arena, but I've not heard talk about it in medium format circles. (When you look at the rear cell to film plane distance perhaps there's less a concern in medium format. LF, on the other hand, likes to emphasize the superiority of the best lenses and so has had to adjust.) For Pentax this would one-up Nikon as they've gone with the smaller-coverage approach. For that the users will pay dearly in the future when larger sensors become more popular/pleantiful. Let's just hope Pentax can ship enough to cover the Christmas/holiday rush. I anticipate sales of DSLR units to be 5x greater than anyone expects. Right now, for the D100 10D, people are buying about as many as are in the stores. Collin mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: New lens series?
Pål Jensen wrote: These are lenses particularly suited for digital but it is not lenses with reduced image circle. Hmmm, sure about that? Dario Bonazza www.aohc.it
Re: New lens series?
These are lenses particularly suited for digital but it is not lenses with reduced image circle. Typical of my trusted Pentax sources to get details wrong :-( Pål
Re: New lens got me thinking
Is this the same analogy as whether to carry a 45-125/f4 zoom or just a plain 135/2.8 prime for the long end? Francis M. Alviar Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:12:06 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New lens got me thinking Plain Text Attachment [ Save to my Yahoo! Briefcase | Download File ] Just picked up a mint SMC M100/2.8 and it got me thinking. (Anything to get my mind off this Digital discussion) I've always had a craving for an 80-200/2.8. They are certainly convenient and very high quality lenses. Problem is, they are big, heavy and very expensive. So I was thinking. Would I rather go out with my miniature 100/f2.8, my 200/f2.5, and maybe the 120/f2.8 or the 80/f2, as opposed to lugging out the 80-200/f2.8. Certainly there would be less changing of lenses with the zoom. But, if you're like me, you often end up using the zoom more or less at its two extremes most of the time — At the 80 end or the 200 end. Not a lot of in between stuff. In fact, I usually end up at the long end wishing for more. The zoom seems like overkill if you're mostly using it at around 80 or 100, surely the 80/f2 or the 100/f2.8 is a better choice. And it's even pretty big at the 200 end compared to say the 200A*/f2.8 or the older 2.5. Maybe I'm better off without the 80-200/f2.8. Just some food for thought. What do you think? Vic __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com
Re: New lens got me thinking
I also tend to use the extremes rather than framing a shot with the zoom capabilities. And there's no question that I would rather spend the money on some good primes than on an expensive zoom. I tend to buy zooms as conveniencelenses so the last thing I want is this expensive heavy thing. I would be tend by high quality slower zooms, however, if they were light enough. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New lens got me thinking
I would be tend by high quality slower zooms, . . . I think I meant to say I would tend to buy high quality slower zooms, . . . (I'll blame the spell checker 8^)
RE: New lens got me thinking
Well, if portability is an issue I'd opt for the 100mm and the 200mm. I wouldn't bother with the 85 or 120, cause they're too close to the 100. I'd go for the zoom if flexibility was most important (and in overt photojournalism - i.e. when you're not bothered that your subject knows you're there). Still, if you don't have the need for autofocus and the 2.8 speed, the Series 1 Vivitars 70-210/3.5 should do well - the second one (with the 62mm filter thread) is supposed to be smaller than the first one, but even the latter isn't that big (sure it's not an M135/3.5 but not a Tokina ATX 2.8 either). Just my two cents, Łukasz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New lens got me thinking Just picked up a mint SMC M100/2.8 and it got me thinking. (Anything to get my mind off this Digital discussion) I've always had a craving for an 80-200/2.8. They are certainly convenient and very high quality lenses. Problem is, they are big, heavy and very expensive. So I was thinking. Would I rather go out with my miniature 100/f2.8, my 200/f2.5, and maybe the 120/f2.8 or the 80/f2, as opposed to lugging out the 80-200/f2.8. Certainly there would be less changing of lenses with the zoom. But, if you're like me, you often end up using the zoom more or less at its two extremes most of the time — At the 80 end or the 200 end. Not a lot of in between stuff. In fact, I usually end up at the long end wishing for more. The zoom seems like overkill if you're mostly using it at around 80 or 100, surely the 80/f2 or the 100/f2.8 is a better choice. And it's even pretty big at the 200 end compared to say the 200A*/f2.8 or the older 2.5. Maybe I'm better off without the 80-200/f2.8. Just some food for thought. What do you think? Vic
RE: New lens got me thinking
P.S. I have just spent a week in Tasmania with my customized backpack and strap set-up, and it worked really well in the field. The pack is about a 45 liter Tatonka pack, which is heaps big enough, and in that I carried a 19-35mm, a 28-80 f2.8, an 80-200 f2.8, an FA 100mm f2.8, and an AF500 flash. One of the lenses was mounted on my z-1 hanging off the shoulder straps of the pack. I probably walked 120 kilometers over the course of the week carrying all this a gore-tex coat some filters, and heaps of film. If all the gear is comfortably seated in the daypack on my back, it really isn't that heavy to carry. The secret is using a pack with a proper harness system. This makes all the difference in weight distribution. Shaun Canning PhD Student Department of Archaeology School of European and Historical Studies La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086. Phone: 0414-967644 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Shaun Canning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 11 October 2002 3:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New lens got me thinking Yep, got to agree with John. I have the Tokina 300mm f2.8 and AF converter combo, and it's a screamer. Works like a charm. Naturally, it is all a little soft wide-open, but stopped down to 5.6 or 8, and its great. Although, even wide open this combo is pretty good. I have a Tokina 80-200mm f2.8 as well, which is also beautiful to use. I am not worried about the weight, as I am no shrinking violet myself and don't feel the weight much. Having said that, I have made up a strap rig that clips onto my camera and the straps of my daypack to take the weight on my shoulders rather than on my neck. It works like a charm. It's amazing what you can do with 4 feet of webbing strap and some tri-glides! Cheers Shaun Canning PhD Student Department of Archaeology School of European and Historical Studies La Trobe University, Bundoora, Vic, 3086. Phone: 0414-967644 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Mustarde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 11 October 2002 12:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New lens got me thinking On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:12:06 EDT, you wrote: Maybe I'm better off without the 80-200/f2.8. Just some food for thought. What do you think? If you're gonna carry the weight, get big glass - 300/2.8. Forget the 80-200/2.8 - you already know you the kit you like, and you already know you want something longer. So for just a little more than a first-rate AF 80-200/2.8 you can get a used Tokina AT-X 300/2.8 and a Pentax 1.7x AF Adaptor which makes a really sharp semi-AF 510/f5 lens. Heck, if you want to ecoomize, just skip the lens and get the Pentax AF adaptor for your 200/2.5. Makes a great combo. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
Re: New lens got me thinking
Just some food for thought. What do you think? Sure you are not alone. The idea of carrying and handholding a 1.5k lens is not much fun in practice. Not to mention it won't be as sharp at the long end wide open. regards, Alan Chan _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: New lens
Bruce Dayton wrote: Congrats! I love mine. I debated long and hard about the IF version but couldn't justify the doubled cost. Although is doesn't focus too close, it takes wonderful pics. I have the Takumar version which I am 99% sure is the same optical formula. Lovely lens - I'm sure you'll get great results from it. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: New lens
William, Congrats! I love mine. I debated long and hard about the IF version but couldn't justify the doubled cost. Although is doesn't focus too close, it takes wonderful pics. Brother Bruce Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 7:46:53 AM, you wrote: WR Well, not new, but new for me. WR I just too delivery of an SMC Pentax 6x7 300mm f/4. WR Nice lens. Minimum focus is a mere 17 feet. Good thing I have WR extension tubes.. WR The 82mm filter that looks so large on my 45mm looks about the WR right size on this bad boy. WR L8R WR William Robb
RE: New lens don't work!
Tell me something I don't know - in the past four weeks I've bought a new tripod, a Super A body, a VS1 70-210, and a M 75-150, and I still haven't had the time to try them out! :((( An no - this time it's not my laziness. I know how you feel... Lukasz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 3:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New lens don't work! Hi, Paul, I like to hear things like that! g The seller said that the lens worked fine when he mailed it out. By the time it got to Shel's, the aperture wouldn't work. So, I figured that a spring or something got jarred in shipping. I guess this is all conjecture at this point, but I've had two soothing posts now, so maybe I can sleep tonight! vbg (you know how it is, you get a new toy, you want to play right away...) thanks, frank Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote: Frank, I had the same problem with a newly bought Kiron 105/2.8 PK (not PKA) macro lens that I bought in 1999 or 2000. I sent it back for repair. The spring had come out of place. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens don't work!
Hi Frank, Sorry to hear about your lens. A CLA should fix it up, most likely the helicoid grease froze up the aperture blades, or the spring broke. Is the lens a 3.5 or 3.8? The 3.5`s were early 1990`s, and the 3.8`s were 1980`s vintage. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:02 PM Subject: New lens don't work! Hi, You may recall that a couple of months ago, I won a Vivitar Series 1 3.5 24-48 on eBay. I finally got it today, thanks to Shel's help. (A bit thank you to Shel, btw!) Unfortunately, the aperture doesn't work. Stays open all the time. Flicking the lever on the back of the lens (the one by the mount) doesn't do anything. Putting it on a body doesn't work. Has this ever happened to anybody? Anyone know if it can be a quick fix? I'm hoping that some little spring inside is just out of whack or broken or something. Just so you know (and so no one says send it back to the vender! or anything), arrangements have been made with the vendor in the event that I can get it fixed - if not, he'll take it back. And, I'll be taking it into my repair shop tomorrow. I'm just wondering if it's something that anyone here can shed some light on, so I know what to expect from Mr. Repair Guy. thanks, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens don't work!
Frank, I had the same problem with a newly bought Kiron 105/2.8 PK (not PKA) macro lens that I bought in 1999 or 2000. I sent it back for repair. The spring had come out of place. frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, the aperture doesn't work. Stays open all the time. Flicking the lever on the back of the lens (the one by the mount) doesn't do anything. Putting it on a body doesn't work. Has this ever happened to anybody? Anyone know if it can be a quick fix? I'm hoping that some little spring inside is just out of whack or broken or something. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens don't work!
Hi, Steve, It's a constant aperture 3.8, which I understand may be a sharper lens. Other than the aperture, it seems in real good shape. Glass clean and clear, little or no wear on the barrel, and the rings have little or no play. I have no idea what the shop will charge for a CLA, but I guess I'll find out tomorrow. I just hope they can get it done by next Thursday. Going on vacation, and I was really hoping to bring the new toy! You have a 3.8, don't you? I seem to recall you like it! regards, frank Steve Larson wrote: Hi Frank, Sorry to hear about your lens. A CLA should fix it up, most likely the helicoid grease froze up the aperture blades, or the spring broke. Is the lens a 3.5 or 3.8? The 3.5`s were early 1990`s, and the 3.8`s were 1980`s vintage. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:02 PM Subject: New lens don't work! Hi, You may recall that a couple of months ago, I won a Vivitar Series 1 3.5 24-48 on eBay. I finally got it today, thanks to Shel's help. (A bit thank you to Shel, btw!) Unfortunately, the aperture doesn't work. Stays open all the time. Flicking the lever on the back of the lens (the one by the mount) doesn't do anything. Putting it on a body doesn't work. Has this ever happened to anybody? Anyone know if it can be a quick fix? I'm hoping that some little spring inside is just out of whack or broken or something. Just so you know (and so no one says send it back to the vender! or anything), arrangements have been made with the vendor in the event that I can get it fixed - if not, he'll take it back. And, I'll be taking it into my repair shop tomorrow. I'm just wondering if it's something that anyone here can shed some light on, so I know what to expect from Mr. Repair Guy. thanks, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens don't work!
Hi, Paul, I like to hear things like that! g The seller said that the lens worked fine when he mailed it out. By the time it got to Shel's, the aperture wouldn't work. So, I figured that a spring or something got jarred in shipping. I guess this is all conjecture at this point, but I've had two soothing posts now, so maybe I can sleep tonight! vbg (you know how it is, you get a new toy, you want to play right away...) thanks, frank Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote: Frank, I had the same problem with a newly bought Kiron 105/2.8 PK (not PKA) macro lens that I bought in 1999 or 2000. I sent it back for repair. The spring had come out of place. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: new lens - Vivitar Ser 1 105/2.5 Macro
You'll love it! Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: new lens - Vivitar Ser 1 105/2.5 Macro Just got it in the mail. Boy, it is a beauty! Rock solid build, wonderful finish... were it not that heavy, but I guess that's the price for a fast macro. Now need to get out and shoot some pictures this weekend. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens
Tuesday, April 09, 2002, 7:43:59 AM, Artur wrote: AL As usually the PDML-ers provided the solution for my problem - THANKS:) AL Of course I did the same thing you did:)) I removed the filter, thinking why the ^%$^% it should be there:) After putting the filter back on the lens, everything works AL fine, of course:) AL BTW, so why the ... this filter is needed to focus on infinity? What's the idea? AL Greetz AL Artur Well, it was calculated to be in the lens light path. The manufacturer wanted to provide possibility of using filters with a fisheye, and you just can't put them on the front :) So they computed the lens with the filters on back in mind. It's like some of the big telephotos with filter drawers, they are computed for filter in the drawer at all time, it's a part of the optical path. Without it, the lens will of course work but might not focus on inf, or be worse or whatever (some big lenses don't require it). If you have priced 112mm or 136mm front filters lately, you will understand why the put the drawer there ;-) Good light, Frantisek Vlcek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New lens
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, [iso-8859-2] £ukasz Kacperczyk wrote: A simple bottleopener should do the job. The friend who's been doing it for the last few months now suggested that I use a sturdy, locking, knife and just jam it down through the side and top cap. He had said he could never use a bottle opener. I tried with a bottle opener first, and managed to do three rolls in three attempts or less. Now, tonight its scanning time. I really need an enlarger. :) -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New lens
As usually the PDML-ers provided the solution for my problem - THANKS:) Of course I did the same thing you did:)) I removed the filter, thinking why the ^%$^% it should be there:) After putting the filter back on the lens, everything works fine, of course:) BTW, so why the ... this filter is needed to focus on infinity? What's the idea? Greetz Artur - Artur, Are you sure you have the filter attached at the back? I had the same when I thought to be smart and remove it to reduce any more glass then what is really needed. In this case, it is really needed. Frits Wüthrich -- Okresl Swoje potrzeby - my znajdziemy oferte za Ciebie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens
- Original Message - From: Artur Ledóchowski Subject: Re: New lens Is your Zenitar also unable to focus on infinity? Mine is:( I have a recently-bought K-mount version and when wide open and focused on infinity, all distant elements look unsharp. Strange that when I use any aperture smaller than f8 and use DOF preview, those elements do look sharp. I test the first roll of film with this lens so I have no results so far but it seems to me that on small apertures the infinity is covered by DOF. Perhaps this will be even more advantageous - I suspect that the lens may be actually focused on the hiperfocal distance in such case. However, it seems to be no way to use large apertures (below f/8) Sounds like the mount isn't shimmed correctly. I bet putting another few thousandth of an inch os shim in there would fix it up for you. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New lens
Artur, Are you sure you have the filter attached at the back? I had the same when I thought to be smart and remove it to reduce any more glass then what is really needed. In this case, it is really needed. Frits Wüthrich Artur Ledóchowski ASKED: Is your Zenitar also unable to focus on infinity? Mine is:( I have a recently-bought K-mount version and when wide open and focused on infinity, all distant elements look unsharp. Strange that when I use any aperture smaller than f8 and use DOF preview, those elements do look sharp. I test the first roll of film with this lens so I have no results so far but it seems to me that on small apertures the infinity is covered by DOF. Perhaps this will be even more advantageous - I suspect that the lens may be actually focused on the hiperfocal distance in such case. However, it seems to be no way to use large apertures (below f/8) Greetz Artur - While on Grandfather Mountain yesterday, I had an opportunity to play with my new Zenitar 16mm fisheye. Bill KG4LOV - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Artur [ISO-8859-2] Ledóchowski wrote: Is your Zenitar also unable to focus on infinity? Mine is:( I have a recently-bought K-mount version and when wide open and focused on infinity, all distant elements look unsharp. Strange that when I use any Mine works fine, however, I've heard you MUST have a filter, even if it sonly the clear one, in the lens itself. I've barely used mine to date, but with Bill's aquisition and mention, I decided I would make a concerted effort to bring something out with it today. So I used only it and my 40A 1.4 today. The other benefit is that the Zenitar is the only one I have any contrast filters for, and thus until today I never used a red or yellow filter. Lots of pictures taken, can't wait to see how they turned out.. now, if only I knew how to OPEN a 35mm cartridge. In high school, we had reloaded ones you just had to bang on a table. Hmm. :) -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New lens
A simple bottleopener should do the job. Lukasz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New lens
Perhaps it is like some large format wide angle lenses in that they are actually designed to use the hyperfocal distance for distance focusing and are noticeably less sharp if actually focused to infinity. BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself Hermann Hesse (Demian) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New lens
A beer bottle opener does the trick for opening film canisters if you haven't got a leader extractor. Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens
Out of curiosity, I took the clear filter off and, yes, focus was not as good as with it. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Artur Ledóchowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: Re: New lens Is your Zenitar also unable to focus on infinity? Mine is:( I have a recently-bought K-mount version and when wide open and focused on infinity, all distant elements look unsharp. Strange that when I use any aperture smaller than f8 and use DOF preview, those elements do look sharp. I test the first roll of film with this lens so I have no results so far but it seems to me that on small apertures the infinity is covered by DOF. Perhaps this will be even more advantageous - I suspect that the lens may be actually focused on the hiperfocal distance in such case. However, it seems to be no way to use large apertures (below f/8) Greetz Artur - While on Grandfather Mountain yesterday, I had an opportunity to play with my new Zenitar 16mm fisheye. Bill KG4LOV -- Okresl Swoje potrzeby - my znajdziemy oferte za Ciebie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens
Check with your local minilab. They will probably give you 2 or 3 inches of the tape used to extract leaders from cassettes. I plan to bring some to the Grandfather Mountain Photo Weekend for those that may need some. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mick Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: RE: New lens A beer bottle opener does the trick for opening film canisters if you haven't got a leader extractor. Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens
So, what do you think? Well worth the money, right? I like mine. Len --- - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 6:49 AM Subject: New lens While on Grandfather Mountain yesterday, I had an opportunity to play with my new Zenitar 16mm fisheye. http://communities.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=S howPhotoPho toID=5 Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens
Definitely well worth the money. I also took several distant landscape shots and the distortion is not really all that bad in that situation. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: Re: New lens So, what do you think? Well worth the money, right? I like mine. Len --- - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 6:49 AM Subject: New lens While on Grandfather Mountain yesterday, I had an opportunity to play with my new Zenitar 16mm fisheye. http://communities.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=S howPhotoPho toID=5 Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Bill Owens wrote: Okay everybody, all this recent talk about Russian lenses made me want to try one. FedEx just delivered my new Zenitar 16mm f2.8-22 fish eye. Looking forward to trying it out tomorrow. I may even slip up to Grandfather Mountain and see what it will do. I have one of these, its a total one trick pony, but I do love that trick. I think when I first got it, I became mesmerized with it and shot it constantly.. since then, I used it once. Its a shame, I love the effect, but there's so little use for it. -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens
Sure, why not! Thanks! Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:18 PM Subject: Re: New lens Okay everybody, all this recent talk about Russian lenses made me want to try one. FedEx just delivered my new Zenitar 16mm f2.8-22 fish eye. Looking forward to trying it out tomorrow. I may even slip up to Grandfather Mountain and see what it will do. Wanna try my SMC-K 15/3.5 in June? ;-) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Lens Woe
Well, I think I got it fixed now. It seems that the flange that protects the diaghragm lever has a little 45 degree notch, right where the lever sits when the lens is off the body. Lining the lens up to the body, it looks very much like the notch is there for mirror clearance purposes. The Soligor doesn't have the notch. So, I carefully filed it down, took one test shot with the MX (there's film in the body, so I couldn't take a bunch), and - huzzah! - it works! Problem with your advice to sell the thing, Brendan, is that the crooks that I'd sell it to would turn around and ask well over $100 for it (of course, it may well sit in their window for years, waiting!). As I said in a post last night, answering Pat, I saw a Hanimex zoom at Downtown (probably still there) for something like $175! I know this little Soligor may be no world-beater, but I'm guessing it's better than a plastic Hanimex! Anyways, thanks again for the advice I got from everyone. If my quick fix don't work, you'll hear from me. I think I'll go outside and shoot some piccies. regards, frank the cheapskate ;-) Brendan wrote: Humm Frank I'd sell it to a down town pawn shop for $20 first. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Lens Woe
Hi Frank, I would say it`s time to get the file out. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 7:35 AM Subject: New Lens Woe Hi, I told you all about my new Soligor zoom last night. Took her out with the MX this morning, and it causes the mirror to hang up. Crap, thinks I. Don't tell me the MX is up to it's old tricks again! Nope. Put the 50mm back on when I got home, and all's well with the MX (whew). Put the zoom on the SV (for which I finally bought batteries for today, and it seems to work, although I haven't had a chance to shoot any film yet), and it works fine. So, worse comes to worse, I've got a cheap ($20) zoom to go with the cheap ($20) SV I got on eBay. But here's my real question. Looking at the mounting end of the zoom, the flange that protects the diaphragm lever is much longer on the zoom than it is on my other two k-mount lenses. It looks to be the same depth, but it's wider along the arc described by the diaphragm lever, if you know what I mean. I'm guessing that it could be filed down a bit to give the mirror some clearance. I'm always loathe to try such remedies myself, but hey, for what I paid for the lens, I don't have that much to lose. Anyone else come across such a dilemma? If so, what do you think of my proposed solution? Any thoughts would be appreciated. thanks, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Lens Woe
I had a similar question some time back. Here is the most helpful response i got. In my case, i havent filed it yet because i like the lens and it works fine with my manual focus cameras. == On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:04:05 -0500, you wrote: he metal stub thingie which extends inner to the lever (which keeps the aperture open for open aperture metering) on the mount is too wide on this lens: almost a semi-circle. Now on the zx5n because of some contacts inside (power zoom?), the base portion of the mount is not all empty (like in my ricoh) but a only a small arc is deep enough. So, lens wont mount :( So question -- Anyplace i can get this stub cut off ? sounds risky to the health of rear glass. Or, get the mount thing replaced to a shorter one someplace ? I had a Vivitar K-mount lens with a larger than needed flange. I just carefully cut off the excess metal with a small file. I used a Pentax lens to give me a guide for the final size of the flange, then marked the vivitar with pencil where I wanted to remove metal. I covered the glass with a post-it note (sticky stuff comes off easy, and protected the glass from the metal filings) and kept a vacuum handy to remove the filings as they accumulated. The final result was perfect, but I took it real slow and easy every step of the way. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . === On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 10:35:40AM -0500, frank theriault wrote: Hi, I told you all about my new Soligor zoom last night. Took her out with the MX this morning, and it causes the mirror to hang up. Crap, thinks I. Don't tell me the MX is up to it's old tricks again! Nope. Put the 50mm back on when I got home, and all's well with the MX (whew). Put the zoom on the SV (for which I finally bought batteries for today, and it seems to work, although I haven't had a chance to shoot any film yet), and it works fine. So, worse comes to worse, I've got a cheap ($20) zoom to go with the cheap ($20) SV I got on eBay. But here's my real question. Looking at the mounting end of the zoom, the flange that protects the diaphragm lever is much longer on the zoom than it is on my other two k-mount lenses. It looks to be the same depth, but it's wider along the arc described by the diaphragm lever, if you know what I mean. I'm guessing that it could be filed down a bit to give the mirror some clearance. I'm always loathe to try such remedies myself, but hey, for what I paid for the lens, I don't have that much to lose. Anyone else come across such a dilemma? If so, what do you think of my proposed solution? Any thoughts would be appreciated. thanks, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Lens Woe
Frank, I can see putting really cheap lenses on an old Praktica or something, but you've got an MX! I think you can find old Pentax lenses for not much more that will actually fit, will work properly, and will also take much better pictures. I lucked out at Vistek a few years ago, and got an F50/1.7 in top shape for $50. Have you checked out International Camera Repair at 816 the Queensway, west of Royal York, at (416) 255-3072? They have a lot of old stuff, some at good prices. I like bargains, too, but 1 $50 lens can be a much better deal than 3 $20 lenses. Just my opinion. Pat White - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
