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Bob W wrote: You and Subash could have started a Pentax/Enfield owner's club! My Enfield. http://vcrai.com/Lee-Enfield_Rifle.jpg that's what we used to shoot at school. I was a teenage marksman! Hum, did school shoot back? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Subash wrote: On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:30:36 -0400 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: I almost bought an Enfield a few years back. Not because I thought it was a particularly good motorcycle, but simply because it had a kick start. You and Subash could have started a Pentax/Enfield owner's club! perhaps there's a reason why he 'almost' bought one. enfields have an electric start too these days :)) not my 96 model though... Subash, I recall reading (in the mid/late-80's, I think) that an Indian company was going to produce a *diesel* motorcycle called the Sooraj 325 (going from memory here). Any idea if it ever went into production? Here are the specifications: Single cylinder, 325cc, diesel engine, 18:1 compression ratio... kick start only! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: paul stenquist Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Yeah, that's why they went looking for a buyer. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:06:24 -0400 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Subash, I recall reading (in the mid/late-80's, I think) that an Indian company was going to produce a *diesel* motorcycle called the Sooraj 325 (going from memory here). Any idea if it ever went into production? Here are the specifications: Single cylinder, 325cc, diesel engine, 18:1 compression ratio... kick start only! yes, it did get produced and was on the market for about 10 years or so. for some reason was a favourite with foreign tourists touring india on a shoestring budget. it is not produced anymore but you can still see some running on the roads btw, in the nineties royal enfield too came out with a 300-odd cc diesel bullet model called the taurus (they outsourced the diesel engine) which again is no more in the market. extraordinary mileage and lots (relatively speaking) of torque... :) regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/4/09, Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:30:36 -0400 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: I almost bought an Enfield a few years back. Not because I thought it was a particularly good motorcycle, but simply because it had a kick start. You and Subash could have started a Pentax/Enfield owner's club! perhaps there's a reason why he 'almost' bought one. enfields have an electric start too these days :)) not my 96 model though... The reasons I didn't get one at the time were because I needed reliable transportation for frequent interstate highway travel. I wasn't convinced that an Enfield, pushed to 70mph on a daily basis, was a good solution. Now that my needs have changed I may get one with a sidecar and give myself two days or so to get to GFM next year. Skyline Drive and Blue Ridge Parkway all the way, baby! -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Scott, Remember it rains at GFM! Bob S. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Scott Lovelesssdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/4/09, Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:30:36 -0400 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: I almost bought an Enfield a few years back. Not because I thought it was a particularly good motorcycle, but simply because it had a kick start. You and Subash could have started a Pentax/Enfield owner's club! perhaps there's a reason why he 'almost' bought one. enfields have an electric start too these days :)) not my 96 model though... The reasons I didn't get one at the time were because I needed reliable transportation for frequent interstate highway travel. I wasn't convinced that an Enfield, pushed to 70mph on a daily basis, was a good solution. Now that my needs have changed I may get one with a sidecar and give myself two days or so to get to GFM next year. Skyline Drive and Blue Ridge Parkway all the way, baby! -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/5/09, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, Remember it rains at GFM! I've been wet before. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:12 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: paul stenquist Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Yeah, that's why they went looking for a buyer. Which isn't what happened. They went looking for a merger partner and got suckered. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/5/09, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:12 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: paul stenquist Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Yeah, that's why they went looking for a buyer. Which isn't what happened. They went looking for a merger partner and got suckered. Steamrolled is more like it. From what I recall the guy Chrysler sent in to negotiate the merger wasn't quite prepared for what the Germans had in mind and they walked all over him. Hostile takeover is probably a more accurate description of what happened. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Steamrolled is more like it. From what I recall the guy Chrysler sent in to negotiate the merger wasn't quite prepared for what the Germans had in mind and they walked all over him. Hostile takeover is probably a more accurate description of what happened. Sounds like what happened to Canada during NAFTA negotiations. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Malcolm Smith malcolmsmi...@btinternet.com wrote: William Robb wrote: Ford Prefect from the late 40s, early 50s. John Francis gets the canoe on this one. Ah! The only one I've seen has been highly modified by a different generation (V8 Jaguar auto box). So that's what they really look like. UK ford prefect was an entirely different animal. Made from part-recycled bean tins, sidevalve 998cc engine and three speed non-synchro box; 60 mph, 20+(imp)mpg at the very, very best. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/5/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Steamrolled is more like it. From what I recall the guy Chrysler sent in to negotiate the merger wasn't quite prepared for what the Germans had in mind and they walked all over him. Hostile takeover is probably a more accurate description of what happened. Sounds like what happened to Canada during NAFTA negotiations. Not all of us down here are exactly thrilled with it, either. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In truth, Chrysler chairman Eaton and others saw a chance to cash in. They were nearing retirement age and saw an opportunity to walk away with many millions of dollars if they could get another company to buy a controlling interest in Chrysler. And they knew they had something that others wanted: the most refined automotive version of the virtual prototype design and testing software that was pioneered by Dassault and perfected by Boeing. (The second version of the LH cars was fully tested on a virtual proving ground before any real cars were built. That was an automotive first.) I believe that Mercedes wanted the software more than the company. But since the company was more profitable than Mercedes at first, they hung on and drained it. When they had squeezed all the life out of Chrysler, they unloaded it on Cerebus. The fact that it may very well survive is a minor miracle. Paul On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:12 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: paul stenquist Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Yeah, that's why they went looking for a buyer. Which isn't what happened. They went looking for a merger partner and got suckered. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/5/09, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: In truth, Chrysler chairman Eaton and others saw a chance to cash in. They were nearing retirement age and saw an opportunity to walk away with many millions of dollars if they could get another company to buy a controlling interest in Chrysler. Why doesn't that surprise me? And why is that the filthy, stinking rich have a desire to be filthier, stinkier and richer? -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I envy them. :-) On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Scott Lovelesssdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/5/09, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: In truth, Chrysler chairman Eaton and others saw a chance to cash in. They were nearing retirement age and saw an opportunity to walk away with many millions of dollars if they could get another company to buy a controlling interest in Chrysler. Why doesn't that surprise me? And why is that the filthy, stinking rich have a desire to be filthier, stinkier and richer? -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ford Prefect from the late 40s, early 50s. John Francis gets the canoe on this one. Ah! The only one I've seen has been highly modified by a different generation (V8 Jaguar auto box). So that's what they really look like. UK ford prefect was an entirely different animal. Made from part-recycled bean tins, sidevalve 998cc engine and three speed non-synchro box; 60 mph, 20+(imp)mpg at the very, very best. My Dad had one of those when we lived in Singapore. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:12 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: paul stenquist Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Yeah, that's why they went looking for a buyer. Which isn't what happened. They went looking for a merger partner and got suckered. I believe its called takeover. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No, I think he just called you an old fahart... tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I think JCO's calling me silver haired. Ted -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:10 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ Very funny. A beautiful graphics job too. But what I do think we *might* get, after the dunderheads at CRAPysler are canned and out of the way, might be more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i10Xv2_XLQ One can only hope. G You obviously don't realize that the entire bailout is designed to protect the dunderheads... -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: It is much like buying those jeans that are already worn with holes in them as new. This is just doing the same for a car - you can pay new price for a car that looks like it has already rusted away. :) :) -- Best regards, Bruce You say that in jest but, in the early 90's in Central Europe, I had more than one person show me their new-to-them, 10 year old Audi/MB/BMW/whatever and proudly tell me that it cost as much as or more than a new one. New ones being unavailable and unimportable (warranty issues) there for the ordinary citizen. Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 2:02:12 PM, you wrote: MR Keith Whaley wrote: William Robb wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html an old Lancia? MR It's a new Ferrari. Secret test model. Not available until next year. MR -- MR PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List MR PDML@pdml.net MR http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net MR to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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paul stenquist wrote: The 300 was a great car, snip and the styling which came strictly from Chrysler design studios. If not heavily borrowed from Bentley. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/3/09, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Daimler also seriously decontented the Chrysler cars interiors and was repsonsible for absolutely gutting the smaller FWD platforms. Sit in a 300M and a pre-2008 300C sometime. The interior of the 300M is significantly better than even the current 300C let alone the atrocious interiors in the pre-2008 models (the 300M and other 2nd generation LH cars were the last pre-Daimler Chysler designs). The real pity of the death of cab forward is that in most regards other than drivetrain the cab forward designs are flat out better cars than their successors. Even the LX cars (300, Charger, Magnum and Challenger), which are very nice cars for the ost part are in most ways inferior to the LH's which proceeded them. Especially when it comes to view. My 2003 Dakota (purchased new) was a complete POS. The engine was nice, and that was it's only saving grace. The electronic shifter was slow to respond, the AC failed at 3500 miles, the weather stripping around the doors had to be replaced several times, the driver's seat back was loose and wobbly, the parking brake release came off in my hand one day and the cheap, plastic interior was a worst-in-class IMHO. I owned that vehicle for 6 months and traded it in for an American made 2003 Nissan Xterra which has served me relatively trouble-free (a fuel injector replaced under warranty and the AC stopped working last fall) for almost 100k miles. The problem Christie and I encountered with the cab forward design was the wedge shape and the high rear dash. She's 5 feet tall and once seated so that she could reach the controls, she couldn't see anything other than a tail-gating Mack truck in the rear view mirror. Which ruled out Chrysler sedans. GM was worse and she simply refused to even test drive anything they offered due to low seating and a high dash. Ford was a little better with their small cars, but we found that the European and Japanese cars were just about all suitable. The glaring exception at the time was Mitsubishi, who seemed to be following American design trends. So with an abysmal Chrysler experience and a collection of sedans that my wife can't (or at least couldn't) drive, it's going to be a very long time before we even consider anything from the big three. The exception being Ford's other brands, specifically Mazda and Volvo, which we tend to like very much. Now with the bail-out and gov't involvement, I'm tempted to avoid them on principal even if they do come out with something that doesn't suck. Chrysler should have gone to a 3rd generation LH platform as a upper midsize choice rather than the atrocious clunker that is the current Sebring/Avenger. And the less that is said about the Caliber the better. Agreed. That Caliber thing is horrid. Who ever thought it a good idea to replace a popular, fuel efficient car with that piece of crap needs to be made to drive one for the rest of eternity. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At great cost to Chrysler. The retooling alone was enough to bankrupt most companies. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 10:35 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: Daimler did away with the cab-forward design philosophy and predominance of front-wheel-drive that was prevalent at Chrysler and started the trend for rear wheel driven cars. Hence the 300 series, the Magnum, and the Charger. They also contributed to the Chrysler Crossfire design, which I understand was basically a domestic platform for the Mercedes CLK drivetrain. - Original Message From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:48:25 PM Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car The Challenger project only got rolling after Daimler was gone. The 300 benefited somewhat from the Daimler connection, but for the most part, Daimler drained Chrysler resources without contributing a whole hell of a lot. I was there; saw it happen. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:39 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Well, the 300 and the retro Challenger were done with Daimler, both Of which the best things they did in many years. J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:35 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Dodge was one of the world's most profitable brands in the nineties, as was Jeep. And, yes, with a dealership organization, we probably will get Alfas but not from Chrysler. We'll get Dodges, Chrysler, and Jeeps from Chrysler. There will probably be a compact Dodge and Chrysler shared with Fiat, but the brands won't be mixed. That wouldn't make any sense. Very clever of you Godders to be able to make fun of the Chrysler name. You're such a wit. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:10 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ Very funny. A beautiful graphics job too. But what I do think we *might* get, after the dunderheads at CRAPysler are canned and out of the way, might be more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i10Xv2_XLQ One can only hope. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/3/09, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Daimler also seriously decontented the Chrysler cars interiors and was repsonsible for absolutely gutting the smaller FWD platforms. Sit in a 300M and a pre-2008 300C sometime. The interior of the 300M is significantly better than even the current 300C let alone the atrocious interiors in the pre-2008 models (the 300M and other 2nd generation LH cars were the last pre-Daimler Chysler designs). The real pity of the death of cab forward is that in most regards other than drivetrain the cab forward designs are flat out better cars than their successors. Even the LX cars (300, Charger, Magnum and Challenger), which are very nice cars for the ost part are in most ways inferior to the LH's which proceeded them. Especially when it comes to view. My 2003 Dakota (purchased new) was a complete POS. The engine was nice, and that was it's only saving grace. The electronic shifter was slow to respond, the AC failed at 3500 miles, the weather stripping around the doors had to be replaced several times, the driver's seat back was loose and wobbly, the parking brake release came off in my hand one day and the cheap, plastic interior was a worst-in-class IMHO. I owned that vehicle for 6 months and traded it in for an American made 2003 Nissan Xterra which has served me relatively trouble-free (a fuel injector replaced under warranty and the AC stopped working last fall) for almost 100k miles. That was right in the middle of the Daimler cuts. The new interior came in 2001 and is the main reason for at least half the complaints you list. Sounds like you had a serious lemon encounter as well. The problem Christie and I encountered with the cab forward design was the wedge shape and the high rear dash. She's 5 feet tall and once seated so that she could reach the controls, she couldn't see anything other than a tail-gating Mack truck in the rear view mirror. Which ruled out Chrysler sedans. GM was worse and she simply refused to even test drive anything they offered due to low seating and a high dash. Ford was a little better with their small cars, but we found that the European and Japanese cars were just about all suitable. The glaring exception at the time was Mitsubishi, who seemed to be following American design trends. Being 6'3 Cab Forward was an absolute godsend to me, my 94 Eagle Vision is still one of the most comfortable cars I've ever sat in. The full-size LH's were not small-people cars though, no bones about it. The Japanese, designing for a fairly small home audience, do the best small-people cars. So with an abysmal Chrysler experience and a collection of sedans that my wife can't (or at least couldn't) drive, it's going to be a very long time before we even consider anything from the big three. The exception being Ford's other brands, specifically Mazda and Volvo, which we tend to like very much. Now with the bail-out and gov't involvement, I'm tempted to avoid them on principal even if they do come out with something that doesn't suck. Chrysler should have gone to a 3rd generation LH platform as a upper midsize choice rather than the atrocious clunker that is the current Sebring/Avenger. And the less that is said about the Caliber the better. Agreed. That Caliber thing is horrid. Who ever thought it a good idea to replace a popular, fuel efficient car with that piece of crap needs to be made to drive one for the rest of eternity. -- Scott Loveless The worst part is they stuck Jeep with the damned thing too. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/4/09, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Being 6'3 Cab Forward was an absolute godsend to me, my 94 Eagle Vision is still one of the most comfortable cars I've ever sat in. The full-size LH's were not small-people cars though, no bones about it. The Japanese, designing for a fairly small home audience, do the best small-people cars. Christie used to travel on business quite a bit and the company she worked for would authorize mid-size cars from Enterprise. She often downgraded her reservations to the smallest thing they had, which was often a Sentra or something from Hyundai (I think), unless they tried to stick her with a Neon or Cavalier. Then she'd upgrade right past the mid-sized crap (taurus, stratus, etc.), the SUVs and minivans, and rent something in the luxury class like an S60 or that little Jaguar that came out a few years ago. And when her supervisors wanted to know why she thought she could do that, she just pointed out all the money she saved them by driving a Sentra most of the time and that usually shut them up. The worst part is they stuck Jeep with the damned thing too. Jeep should not have anything with a uni-body chassis. Ever. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Scott Loveless wrote: Jeep should not have anything with a uni-body chassis. Ever. You've probably never gotten over them adding electric start, have you? ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My '96 1-ton Dodge Van is pushing 200,000 miles, though I've only put about 120,000 on it in the 8 years I've owned it. I did have to replace the transmission a year or so ago. The fuel injected 360 gets about 13mpg around town and about 10mpg towing. It's been a while since I've checked but it would to over 100MPH, towing. The handling is a lot better than you might expect, I had to keep backing off so my student in a FIAT (to tie the thread back to previous posts) could keep up with me: http://www.red4est.com/lrc/pix/thill030906/1D3F2838N.jpg From the set: http://www.red4est.com/lrc/pix/thill030906/ -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/4/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: Jeep should not have anything with a uni-body chassis. Ever. You've probably never gotten over them adding electric start, have you? ;-) I almost bought an Enfield a few years back. Not because I thought it was a particularly good motorcycle, but simply because it had a kick start. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: The worst part is they stuck Jeep with the damned thing too. Jeep should not have anything with a uni-body chassis. Ever. -- Scott Loveless The best Jeep product of the last 30 years is Unibody. I speak of the Cherokee. -Adam -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Scott Loveless wrote: On 6/4/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: Jeep should not have anything with a uni-body chassis. Ever. You've probably never gotten over them adding electric start, have you? ;-) I almost bought an Enfield a few years back. Not because I thought it was a particularly good motorcycle, but simply because it had a kick start. You and Subash could have started a Pentax/Enfield owner's club! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry Bill, No idea what it is - have I missed the identifying post? On another OT car subject, does anyone know of a website or publication which lists cars (new and old) by dimension? I really want to find a list of cars no wider than 66 inches - a Google search proved fruitless. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith Subject: RE: OT: help identifying this car Sorry Bill, No idea what it is - have I missed the identifying post? Ford Prefect from the late 40s, early 50s. John Francis gets the canoe on this one. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith Subject: RE: OT: help identifying this car Sorry Bill, No idea what it is - have I missed the identifying post? Ford Prefect from the late 40s, early 50s. John Francis gets the canoe on this one. William Robb Funny I was just discussing bogons with some of my co-workers... -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christian wrote: William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith Subject: RE: OT: help identifying this car Sorry Bill, No idea what it is - have I missed the identifying post? Ford Prefect from the late 40s, early 50s. John Francis gets the canoe on this one. William Robb Funny I was just discussing bogons with some of my co-workers... oops vogons -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: Ford Prefect from the late 40s, early 50s. John Francis gets the canoe on this one. Ah! The only one I've seen has been highly modified by a different generation (V8 Jaguar auto box). So that's what they really look like. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I share your pain. While I am only 5'8, I have very short legs and a very tall torso, sitting next to my 6'7 friend on a bench, I am as tall as he is. Finding a vehicle that fits me is hard. As a general rule, if it has a sunroof, I cannot fit (except maybe when the sunroof is open if it is wide enough). Forget wearing a hat. I have my best luck fitting into Scandinavian cars. jm - Original Message - From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:40 PM Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/3/09, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Daimler also seriously decontented the Chrysler cars interiors and was repsonsible for absolutely gutting the smaller FWD platforms. Sit in a 300M and a pre-2008 300C sometime. The interior of the 300M is significantly better than even the current 300C let alone the atrocious interiors in the pre-2008 models (the 300M and other 2nd generation LH cars were the last pre-Daimler Chysler designs). The real pity of the death of cab forward is that in most regards other than drivetrain the cab forward designs are flat out better cars than their successors. Even the LX cars (300, Charger, Magnum and Challenger), which are very nice cars for the ost part are in most ways inferior to the LH's which proceeded them. Especially when it comes to view. My 2003 Dakota (purchased new) was a complete POS. The engine was nice, and that was it's only saving grace. The electronic shifter was slow to respond, the AC failed at 3500 miles, the weather stripping around the doors had to be replaced several times, the driver's seat back was loose and wobbly, the parking brake release came off in my hand one day and the cheap, plastic interior was a worst-in-class IMHO. I owned that vehicle for 6 months and traded it in for an American made 2003 Nissan Xterra which has served me relatively trouble-free (a fuel injector replaced under warranty and the AC stopped working last fall) for almost 100k miles. That was right in the middle of the Daimler cuts. The new interior came in 2001 and is the main reason for at least half the complaints you list. Sounds like you had a serious lemon encounter as well. The problem Christie and I encountered with the cab forward design was the wedge shape and the high rear dash. She's 5 feet tall and once seated so that she could reach the controls, she couldn't see anything other than a tail-gating Mack truck in the rear view mirror. Which ruled out Chrysler sedans. GM was worse and she simply refused to even test drive anything they offered due to low seating and a high dash. Ford was a little better with their small cars, but we found that the European and Japanese cars were just about all suitable. The glaring exception at the time was Mitsubishi, who seemed to be following American design trends. Being 6'3 Cab Forward was an absolute godsend to me, my 94 Eagle Vision is still one of the most comfortable cars I've ever sat in. The full-size LH's were not small-people cars though, no bones about it. The Japanese, designing for a fairly small home audience, do the best small-people cars. So with an abysmal Chrysler experience and a collection of sedans that my wife can't (or at least couldn't) drive, it's going to be a very long time before we even consider anything from the big three. The exception being Ford's other brands, specifically Mazda and Volvo, which we tend to like very much. Now with the bail-out and gov't involvement, I'm tempted to avoid them on principal even if they do come out with something that doesn't suck. Chrysler should have gone to a 3rd generation LH platform as a upper midsize choice rather than the atrocious clunker that is the current Sebring/Avenger. And the less that is said about the Caliber the better. Agreed. That Caliber thing is horrid. Who ever thought it a good idea to replace a popular, fuel efficient car with that piece of crap needs to be made to drive one for the rest of eternity. -- Scott Loveless The worst part is they stuck Jeep with the damned thing too. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 4, 2009, at 11:30 , Mark Roberts wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: On 6/4/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: Jeep should not have anything with a uni-body chassis. Ever. You've probably never gotten over them adding electric start, have you? ;-) I almost bought an Enfield a few years back. Not because I thought it was a particularly good motorcycle, but simply because it had a kick start. You and Subash could have started a Pentax/Enfield owner's club! My Enfield… http://vcrai.com/Lee-Enfield_Rifle.jpg Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You and Subash could have started a Pentax/Enfield owner's club! My Enfield. http://vcrai.com/Lee-Enfield_Rifle.jpg that's what we used to shoot at school. I was a teenage marksman! Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/6/5 Christian christ...@skofteland.net: William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith Subject: RE: OT: help identifying this car Sorry Bill, No idea what it is - have I missed the identifying post? Ford Prefect from the late 40s, early 50s. John Francis gets the canoe on this one. William Robb Funny I was just discussing bogons with some of my co-workers... LOL I so just read that as bogans. :-) Dave (who, for the record, drives a '96 V6 Toyota Vienta) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jun 4, 2009, at 11:30 , Mark Roberts wrote: You and Subash could have started a Pentax/Enfield owner's club! My Enfield… http://vcrai.com/Lee-Enfield_Rifle.jpg Yeah, I'm in the Pentax/Mauser club, among others: http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl02-e.htm Mine's a K model, brought back from the ETO after WW2 by one of my great uncles. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, I have no guns. Used to have a Winchester model 1894 .30-30, but gave it away some 40 years ago. Could have had my father's WWII German Luger, but didn't want it around the house. Both good moves, as I used to have an explosive temper, though not homicidal, because of my ADD (undiagnosed until 1993). Now I'm boringly medicated and socially harmless. Shame. I used to be so much fun to be around. :-) I have, however, retained the ability to interupt, and interject verbage that is only relevant and humerous in my own mind. Like this message, ensconced in help identifying this car. :-) On Jun 4, 2009, at 15:42 , Doug Franklin wrote: Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jun 4, 2009, at 11:30 , Mark Roberts wrote: You and Subash could have started a Pentax/Enfield owner's club! My Enfield… http://vcrai.com/Lee-Enfield_Rifle.jpg Yeah, I'm in the Pentax/Mauser club, among others: http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl02-e.htm Mine's a K model, brought back from the ETO after WW2 by one of my great uncles. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Joseph McAllister Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Like this message, ensconced in help identifying this car. Around here, abandoned cars tend to be used for target practice, so it kind of ties in. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:30:36 -0400 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: I almost bought an Enfield a few years back. Not because I thought it was a particularly good motorcycle, but simply because it had a kick start. You and Subash could have started a Pentax/Enfield owner's club! perhaps there's a reason why he 'almost' bought one. enfields have an electric start too these days :)) not my 96 model though... regards, subash. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:21:07 +0100 Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: You and Subash could have started a Pentax/Enfield owner's club! My Enfield. http://vcrai.com/Lee-Enfield_Rifle.jpg that's what we used to shoot at school. I was a teenage marksman! i studied in a school where we had military training and we had enfield .303 rifles for shooting practice. that pic looks very much like the ones we had. i was never a marksman though. lots of indian policemen still have an enfield .303 as standard issue. it's just symbolic in most places anywaytill the other guy shows up with an ak47 of course, as it happened recently in the mumbai attacks... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/4/09, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: Dave (who, for the record, drives a '96 V6 Toyota Vienta) I thought you had a gigantic 4x4. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Scott Loveless Sent: Friday, 5 June 2009 10:10 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car On 6/4/09, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: Dave (who, for the record, drives a '96 V6 Toyota Vienta) I thought you had a gigantic 4x4. Gawd no. I my go bush on occasion but most of my time is in the city. In the city those things are such a PITA. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/6/5 Christian christ...@skofteland.net: Funny I was just discussing bogons with some of my co-workers... oops vogons Taking into consideration Christian's Australian connection, his slip could be Freudian. 'Bogans', a near match for 'bogons', make up a large percentage of petrolheads (car fanciers) in Australia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/6/5 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: My Enfield… http://vcrai.com/Lee-Enfield_Rifle.jpg Not so strange, remembering that BSA was also an arms manufacturer (British Small Arms). regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html Thanks William Robb Rusty _ Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/3/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html Do you have a better picture of the emblem on the grill? That could potentially be helpful. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html Thanks What does the badge on the side say? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:01 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? Well used.?? Dave http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html Thanks William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Looks like a 2 year old Chrysler PT Cruiser - Of course, this one is in better shape than most... :) -- Bruce Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 7:01:13 AM, you wrote: WR Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? WR http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html WR Thanks WR William Robb WR -- WR PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List WR PDML@pdml.net WR http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net WR to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:01:13AM -0600, William Robb wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html Thanks William Robb CarGeek It's a 1949-1953 Ford Prefect E493A http://www.prefectcar.com/assets/images/cars/al%27s/ford-prefect-1951-E493A-ann.jpg /CarGeek Probably not from Guildford, though. Or Betelgeuse, come to that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: John Francis Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:01:13AM -0600, William Robb wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html Thanks William Robb CarGeek It's a 1949-1953 Ford Prefect E493A http://www.prefectcar.com/assets/images/cars/al%27s/ford-prefect-1951-E493A-ann.jpg /CarGeek Probably not from Guildford, though. Or Betelgeuse, come to that. I knew someone on this list would know. A friend took the shot from quite a distance as he is confined to a wheelchair, so he does all his photography from his car. Consequently, what we had is what we had for ID purposes. Thanks John for the answer. And thanks to everyone who had funny answers. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Please don't put down PT''s, my five year old PT made the trip to GFM without a hiccup. Don't want it's feelings hurt. Ted snip -- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:17:40 -0700 From: Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Message-ID: 152126839.20090603081...@daytonphoto.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Looks like a 2 year old Chrysler PT Cruiser - Of course, this one is in better shape than most... :) -- Bruce Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 7:01:13 AM, you wrote: WR Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? WR http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html WR Thanks WR William Robb WR -- WR PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List WR PDML@pdml.net WR http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net WR to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- snip -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Say what you will about the PT's mediocre design, build or handling, but they lasted as long in Chrysler's catalog for a reason. Useful design and a reasonable balance between reliable and cheap to fix. The PT's arguably the best cheap car of the last decade, especially at current pricing. -Adam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Please don't put down PT''s, my five year old PT made the trip to GFM without a hiccup. Don't want it's feelings hurt. Ted snip -- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:17:40 -0700 From: Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Message-ID: 152126839.20090603081...@daytonphoto.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Looks like a 2 year old Chrysler PT Cruiser - Of course, this one is in better shape than most... :) -- Bruce Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 7:01:13 AM, you wrote: WR Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? WR http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html WR Thanks WR William Robb WR -- WR PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List WR PDML@pdml.net WR http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net WR to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- snip -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The funny part it was aimed at car buffs and young adults But failed there and instead it became a big hit with the silver haired retirees crowd J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Say what you will about the PT's mediocre design, build or handling, but they lasted as long in Chrysler's catalog for a reason. Useful design and a reasonable balance between reliable and cheap to fix. The PT's arguably the best cheap car of the last decade, especially at current pricing. -Adam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Please don't put down PT''s, my five year old PT made the trip to GFM without a hiccup. Don't want it's feelings hurt. Ted snip -- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:17:40 -0700 From: Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Message-ID: 152126839.20090603081...@daytonphoto.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Looks like a 2 year old Chrysler PT Cruiser - Of course, this one is in better shape than most... :) -- Bruce Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 7:01:13 AM, you wrote: WR Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? WR http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html WR Thanks WR William Robb WR -- WR PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List WR PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net WR to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- snip -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Guess I should have made a much bigger smiley on that post - purely in fun - the picture just happens to resemble one. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 10:56:56 AM, you wrote: AM Say what you will about the PT's mediocre design, build or handling, AM but they lasted as long in Chrysler's catalog for a reason. Useful AM design and a reasonable balance between reliable and cheap to fix. The AM PT's arguably the best cheap car of the last decade, especially at AM current pricing. AM -Adam AM On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Please don't put down PT''s, my five year old PT made the trip to GFM without a hiccup. Don't want it's feelings hurt. Ted snip -- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:17:40 -0700 From: Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Message-ID: 152126839.20090603081...@daytonphoto.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Looks like a 2 year old Chrysler PT Cruiser - Of course, this one is in better shape than most... :) -- Bruce Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 7:01:13 AM, you wrote: WR Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? WR http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html WR Thanks WR William Robb WR -- WR PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List WR PDML@pdml.net WR http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net WR to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- snip -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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i had one on lease. It was excellent. No problems in 45,000 miles. And it had enough cargo area to carry a ladder and all my gear. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Say what you will about the PT's mediocre design, build or handling, but they lasted as long in Chrysler's catalog for a reason. Useful design and a reasonable balance between reliable and cheap to fix. The PT's arguably the best cheap car of the last decade, especially at current pricing. -Adam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Please don't put down PT''s, my five year old PT made the trip to GFM without a hiccup. Don't want it's feelings hurt. Ted snip -- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:17:40 -0700 From: Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Message-ID: 152126839.20090603081...@daytonphoto.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Looks like a 2 year old Chrysler PT Cruiser - Of course, this one is in better shape than most... :) -- Bruce Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 7:01:13 AM, you wrote: WR Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? WR http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html WR Thanks WR William Robb WR -- WR PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List WR PDML@pdml.net WR http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net WR to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- snip -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The PT did reasonably well in Europe, where it was available with a Daimler diesel, as well as the two gas engines. I worked on that biz for a while. it did quite well in South Africa, where it as considered a chick car. One never knows. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 1:59 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: The funny part it was aimed at car buffs and young adults But failed there and instead it became a big hit with the silver haired retirees crowd J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Say what you will about the PT's mediocre design, build or handling, but they lasted as long in Chrysler's catalog for a reason. Useful design and a reasonable balance between reliable and cheap to fix. The PT's arguably the best cheap car of the last decade, especially at current pricing. -Adam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Please don't put down PT''s, my five year old PT made the trip to GFM without a hiccup. Don't want it's feelings hurt. Ted snip -- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:17:40 -0700 From: Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Message-ID: 152126839.20090603081...@daytonphoto.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Looks like a 2 year old Chrysler PT Cruiser - Of course, this one is in better shape than most... :) -- Bruce Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 7:01:13 AM, you wrote: WR Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? WR http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html WR Thanks WR William Robb WR -- WR PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List WR PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net WR to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- snip -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html Thanks William Robb an old Lancia? keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think JCO's calling me silver haired. Ted -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Keith Whaley wrote: William Robb wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html an old Lancia? It's a new Ferrari. Secret test model. Not available until next year. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It is much like buying those jeans that are already worn with holes in them as new. This is just doing the same for a car - you can pay new price for a car that looks like it has already rusted away. :) :) -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 2:02:12 PM, you wrote: MR Keith Whaley wrote: William Robb wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html an old Lancia? MR It's a new Ferrari. Secret test model. Not available until next year. MR -- MR PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List MR PDML@pdml.net MR http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net MR to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I guess thats better than calling you an auld phart. jm - Original Message - From: tbei...@sbcglobal.net To: pentax Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: RE: OT: help identifying this car I think JCO's calling me silver haired. Ted -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ jm - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Keith Whaley wrote: William Robb wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html an old Lancia? It's a new Ferrari. Secret test model. Not available until next year. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ It's going to take me a while to wipe the coffee off my monitor... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/3/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ It's going to take me a while to wipe the coffee off my monitor... Sweet. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:10 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ Very funny. A beautiful graphics job too. But what I do think we *might* get, after the dunderheads at CRAPysler are canned and out of the way, might be more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i10Xv2_XLQ One can only hope. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Dodge was one of the world's most profitable brands in the nineties, as was Jeep. And, yes, with a dealership organization, we probably will get Alfas but not from Chrysler. We'll get Dodges, Chrysler, and Jeeps from Chrysler. There will probably be a compact Dodge and Chrysler shared with Fiat, but the brands won't be mixed. That wouldn't make any sense. Very clever of you Godders to be able to make fun of the Chrysler name. You're such a wit. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:10 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ Very funny. A beautiful graphics job too. But what I do think we *might* get, after the dunderheads at CRAPysler are canned and out of the way, might be more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i10Xv2_XLQ One can only hope. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, the 300 and the retro Challenger were done with Daimler, both Of which the best things they did in many years. J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:35 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Dodge was one of the world's most profitable brands in the nineties, as was Jeep. And, yes, with a dealership organization, we probably will get Alfas but not from Chrysler. We'll get Dodges, Chrysler, and Jeeps from Chrysler. There will probably be a compact Dodge and Chrysler shared with Fiat, but the brands won't be mixed. That wouldn't make any sense. Very clever of you Godders to be able to make fun of the Chrysler name. You're such a wit. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:10 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ Very funny. A beautiful graphics job too. But what I do think we *might* get, after the dunderheads at CRAPysler are canned and out of the way, might be more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i10Xv2_XLQ One can only hope. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: John Mullan It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ How'd they do that? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Challenger project only got rolling after Daimler was gone. The 300 benefited somewhat from the Daimler connection, but for the most part, Daimler drained Chrysler resources without contributing a whole hell of a lot. I was there; saw it happen. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:39 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Well, the 300 and the retro Challenger were done with Daimler, both Of which the best things they did in many years. J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:35 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Dodge was one of the world's most profitable brands in the nineties, as was Jeep. And, yes, with a dealership organization, we probably will get Alfas but not from Chrysler. We'll get Dodges, Chrysler, and Jeeps from Chrysler. There will probably be a compact Dodge and Chrysler shared with Fiat, but the brands won't be mixed. That wouldn't make any sense. Very clever of you Godders to be able to make fun of the Chrysler name. You're such a wit. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:10 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ Very funny. A beautiful graphics job too. But what I do think we *might* get, after the dunderheads at CRAPysler are canned and out of the way, might be more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i10Xv2_XLQ One can only hope. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm afraid I must plead ignorance, as it was sent to me by a friend, whose graphics skills are nil, so I know he had to have gotten it from another source. However having seen 124s and 128s on the salted winter roads of New England back in the 70's, that is a fairly factual representation. jm - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car From: John Mullan It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ How'd they do that? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't see how you can say that when the 300 was well received. I didn't buy one, but it was one of the few newer cars that I actually Liked and would have bought. J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:48 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car The Challenger project only got rolling after Daimler was gone. The 300 benefited somewhat from the Daimler connection, but for the most part, Daimler drained Chrysler resources without contributing a whole hell of a lot. I was there; saw it happen. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:39 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Well, the 300 and the retro Challenger were done with Daimler, both Of which the best things they did in many years. J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:35 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Dodge was one of the world's most profitable brands in the nineties, as was Jeep. And, yes, with a dealership organization, we probably will get Alfas but not from Chrysler. We'll get Dodges, Chrysler, and Jeeps from Chrysler. There will probably be a compact Dodge and Chrysler shared with Fiat, but the brands won't be mixed. That wouldn't make any sense. Very clever of you Godders to be able to make fun of the Chrysler name. You're such a wit. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:10 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ Very funny. A beautiful graphics job too. But what I do think we *might* get, after the dunderheads at CRAPysler are canned and out of the way, might be more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i10Xv2_XLQ One can only hope. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The 300 was a great car, and it benefited from some E-Class chassis technology. Although it's most valuable asset is the Chrysler designed and engineered 5.7 litre hemi V8, and the styling which came strictly from Chrysler design studios. My point was that Daimler drained Chrysler resources in the early years of the alleged merger. Mercedes sales were hurting at the time, and a lot of dollars went to Germany. When the tables turned, Daimler bailed. It was ugly, and it left Chrysler at the mercy of Cerebus, a sleezeball equity firm. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 10:00 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: I don't see how you can say that when the 300 was well received. I didn't buy one, but it was one of the few newer cars that I actually Liked and would have bought. J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:48 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car The Challenger project only got rolling after Daimler was gone. The 300 benefited somewhat from the Daimler connection, but for the most part, Daimler drained Chrysler resources without contributing a whole hell of a lot. I was there; saw it happen. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:39 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Well, the 300 and the retro Challenger were done with Daimler, both Of which the best things they did in many years. J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:35 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Dodge was one of the world's most profitable brands in the nineties, as was Jeep. And, yes, with a dealership organization, we probably will get Alfas but not from Chrysler. We'll get Dodges, Chrysler, and Jeeps from Chrysler. There will probably be a compact Dodge and Chrysler shared with Fiat, but the brands won't be mixed. That wouldn't make any sense. Very clever of you Godders to be able to make fun of the Chrysler name. You're such a wit. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:10 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ Very funny. A beautiful graphics job too. But what I do think we *might* get, after the dunderheads at CRAPysler are canned and out of the way, might be more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i10Xv2_XLQ One can only hope. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Daimler did away with the cab-forward design philosophy and predominance of front-wheel-drive that was prevalent at Chrysler and started the trend for rear wheel driven cars. Hence the 300 series, the Magnum, and the Charger. They also contributed to the Chrysler Crossfire design, which I understand was basically a domestic platform for the Mercedes CLK drivetrain. - Original Message From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:48:25 PM Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car The Challenger project only got rolling after Daimler was gone. The 300 benefited somewhat from the Daimler connection, but for the most part, Daimler drained Chrysler resources without contributing a whole hell of a lot. I was there; saw it happen. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:39 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Well, the 300 and the retro Challenger were done with Daimler, both Of which the best things they did in many years. J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:35 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Dodge was one of the world's most profitable brands in the nineties, as was Jeep. And, yes, with a dealership organization, we probably will get Alfas but not from Chrysler. We'll get Dodges, Chrysler, and Jeeps from Chrysler. There will probably be a compact Dodge and Chrysler shared with Fiat, but the brands won't be mixed. That wouldn't make any sense. Very clever of you Godders to be able to make fun of the Chrysler name. You're such a wit. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:10 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ Very funny. A beautiful graphics job too. But what I do think we *might* get, after the dunderheads at CRAPysler are canned and out of the way, might be more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i10Xv2_XLQ One can only hope. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Daimler also seriously decontented the Chrysler cars interiors and was repsonsible for absolutely gutting the smaller FWD platforms. Sit in a 300M and a pre-2008 300C sometime. The interior of the 300M is significantly better than even the current 300C let alone the atrocious interiors in the pre-2008 models (the 300M and other 2nd generation LH cars were the last pre-Daimler Chysler designs). The real pity of the death of cab forward is that in most regards other than drivetrain the cab forward designs are flat out better cars than their successors. Even the LX cars (300, Charger, Magnum and Challenger), which are very nice cars for the ost part are in most ways inferior to the LH's which proceeded them. Especially when it comes to view. Chrysler should have gone to a 3rd generation LH platform as a upper midsize choice rather than the atrocious clunker that is the current Sebring/Avenger. And the less that is said about the Caliber the better. -Adam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Brendan MacRae brendanmacrae1...@yahoo.com wrote: Daimler did away with the cab-forward design philosophy and predominance of front-wheel-drive that was prevalent at Chrysler and started the trend for rear wheel driven cars. Hence the 300 series, the Magnum, and the Charger. They also contributed to the Chrysler Crossfire design, which I understand was basically a domestic platform for the Mercedes CLK drivetrain. - Original Message From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:48:25 PM Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car The Challenger project only got rolling after Daimler was gone. The 300 benefited somewhat from the Daimler connection, but for the most part, Daimler drained Chrysler resources without contributing a whole hell of a lot. I was there; saw it happen. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:39 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Well, the 300 and the retro Challenger were done with Daimler, both Of which the best things they did in many years. J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:35 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Dodge was one of the world's most profitable brands in the nineties, as was Jeep. And, yes, with a dealership organization, we probably will get Alfas but not from Chrysler. We'll get Dodges, Chrysler, and Jeeps from Chrysler. There will probably be a compact Dodge and Chrysler shared with Fiat, but the brands won't be mixed. That wouldn't make any sense. Very clever of you Godders to be able to make fun of the Chrysler name. You're such a wit. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:10 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ Very funny. A beautiful graphics job too. But what I do think we *might* get, after the dunderheads at CRAPysler are canned and out of the way, might be more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i10Xv2_XLQ One can only hope. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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All true. Daimler didn't want the top of the line Chryslers to be too close to Mercedes in content. And they imposed the rear-drive platforms on Chrysler engineering, despite the fact that the existing Chrysler FWD platforms were very good. The changeover was very costly. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Daimler also seriously decontented the Chrysler cars interiors and was repsonsible for absolutely gutting the smaller FWD platforms. Sit in a 300M and a pre-2008 300C sometime. The interior of the 300M is significantly better than even the current 300C let alone the atrocious interiors in the pre-2008 models (the 300M and other 2nd generation LH cars were the last pre-Daimler Chysler designs). The real pity of the death of cab forward is that in most regards other than drivetrain the cab forward designs are flat out better cars than their successors. Even the LX cars (300, Charger, Magnum and Challenger), which are very nice cars for the ost part are in most ways inferior to the LH's which proceeded them. Especially when it comes to view. Chrysler should have gone to a 3rd generation LH platform as a upper midsize choice rather than the atrocious clunker that is the current Sebring/Avenger. And the less that is said about the Caliber the better. -Adam On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Brendan MacRae brendanmacrae1...@yahoo.com wrote: Daimler did away with the cab-forward design philosophy and predominance of front-wheel-drive that was prevalent at Chrysler and started the trend for rear wheel driven cars. Hence the 300 series, the Magnum, and the Charger. They also contributed to the Chrysler Crossfire design, which I understand was basically a domestic platform for the Mercedes CLK drivetrain. - Original Message From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:48:25 PM Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car The Challenger project only got rolling after Daimler was gone. The 300 benefited somewhat from the Daimler connection, but for the most part, Daimler drained Chrysler resources without contributing a whole hell of a lot. I was there; saw it happen. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:39 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Well, the 300 and the retro Challenger were done with Daimler, both Of which the best things they did in many years. J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:35 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Chrysler did just fine until Daimler got involved. Dodge was one of the world's most profitable brands in the nineties, as was Jeep. And, yes, with a dealership organization, we probably will get Alfas but not from Chrysler. We'll get Dodges, Chrysler, and Jeeps from Chrysler. There will probably be a compact Dodge and Chrysler shared with Fiat, but the brands won't be mixed. That wouldn't make any sense. Very clever of you Godders to be able to make fun of the Chrysler name. You're such a wit. Paul On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:10 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: John Mullan wrote: It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ Very funny. A beautiful graphics job too. But what I do think we *might* get, after the dunderheads at CRAPysler are canned and out of the way, might be more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i10Xv2_XLQ One can only hope. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss
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FIAT = Fix It Again Tony Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: John Mullan k...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car I'm afraid I must plead ignorance, as it was sent to me by a friend, whose graphics skills are nil, so I know he had to have gotten it from another source. However having seen 124s and 128s on the salted winter roads of New England back in the 70's, that is a fairly factual representation. jm - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car From: John Mullan It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ How'd they do that? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dead. David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:01 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? Well used.?? Dave http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html Thanks William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Fixer upper? -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:59 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car Dead. David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:01 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Title is self explanatory. Does anyone know what it is? Well used.?? Dave http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/mysterycar.html Thanks William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had a 132 (the followon to the 128, but with an adequate engine) which served me quite well in New England - better, in the winters, than the car which replaced it (a 1986 Mustang GT convertible which I drove for 20 years) On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:51:41PM -0400, John Mullan wrote: I'm afraid I must plead ignorance, as it was sent to me by a friend, whose graphics skills are nil, so I know he had to have gotten it from another source. However having seen 124s and 128s on the salted winter roads of New England back in the 70's, that is a fairly factual representation. jm - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: Re: OT: help identifying this car From: John Mullan It is really a prototype for the first Chrysler now that the majority is owned by FIAT. See this link for a road test. http://www.flickr.com/photos/36674...@n07/3593664412/ How'd they do that? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
