Re: Where is everyone?
Forget it Bob, it's the internet. On 3/23/2015 12:10 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT! WHO'S A RAVING LUNATIC. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Tom Reese tomreesep...@gmail.com wrote: it's interesting how these internet forums and anonymity bring out the worst in those with personality disorders. These people seem normal (based on the fact that they're apparently still running around loose) but they turn into raving lunatics when they get behind a keyboard. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website. There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) and many flame wars, which I participated in and even prolonged in many cases. Bill Robb became a special friend as he refused to suffer fools in silence, or intolerant remarks. I think I arrived a bit too late to have experienced the who and the other fruitcakes. One I do remember was Antonio who was probably the last true troll on the list. I recall some memorable exchanges between him and Bill Robb. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT! WHO'S A RAVING LUNATIC. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Tom Reese tomreesep...@gmail.com wrote: it's interesting how these internet forums and anonymity bring out the worst in those with personality disorders. These people seem normal (based on the fact that they're apparently still running around loose) but they turn into raving lunatics when they get behind a keyboard. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website. There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) and many flame wars, which I participated in and even prolonged in many cases. Bill Robb became a special friend as he refused to suffer fools in silence, or intolerant remarks. I think I arrived a bit too late to have experienced the who and the other fruitcakes. One I do remember was Antonio who was probably the last true troll on the list. I recall some memorable exchanges between him and Bill Robb. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website. There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) and many flame wars, which I participated in and even prolonged in many cases. Bill Robb became a special friend as he refused to suffer fools in silence, or intolerant remarks. But it was a friendly place where folks answered my dumb questions and knew Pentax cameras. I found the PUG was a monthly challenge to improve my photography and think we need more of it. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Where is everyone? Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I don't recall the exact year, but I was around for Shel, and The Who. Probably read something on UseNet in one of the photo gathering spots. My memory banks are not as nimble as they once were, especially for people's names, for which I apologize. The years have been interesting on PDML. I learned a lot by asking questions. Even more by viewing the interesting panorama of presented photographs. I have often wished I was with each of you in your travels, seeing, and capturing my own flavor of the same menu. PDML FOREVER ! ! Sent from my iPad -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 22 March 2015 16:05 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website. There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) [...] I remain convinced that the Who was not a human being but some PhD student's doctoral work in AI. (Obviously without the I). B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Where is everyone?
Quoting Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website. There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) and many flame wars, which I participated in and even prolonged in many cases. Bill Robb became a special friend as he refused to suffer fools in silence, or intolerant remarks. I think I arrived a bit too late to have experienced the who and the other fruitcakes. One I do remember was Antonio who was probably the last true troll on the list. I recall some memorable exchanges between him and Bill Robb. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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it's interesting how these internet forums and anonymity bring out the worst in those with personality disorders. These people seem normal (based on the fact that they're apparently still running around loose) but they turn into raving lunatics when they get behind a keyboard. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website. There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) and many flame wars, which I participated in and even prolonged in many cases. Bill Robb became a special friend as he refused to suffer fools in silence, or intolerant remarks. I think I arrived a bit too late to have experienced the who and the other fruitcakes. One I do remember was Antonio who was probably the last true troll on the list. I recall some memorable exchanges between him and Bill Robb. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Tom Reese tomreesep...@gmail.com wrote: it's interesting how these internet forums and anonymity bring out the worst in those with personality disorders. And Canadians, its maple syrup season people. Dave These people seem normal (based on the fact that they're apparently still running around loose) but they turn into raving lunatics when they get behind a keyboard. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website. There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) and many flame wars, which I participated in and even prolonged in many cases. Bill Robb became a special friend as he refused to suffer fools in silence, or intolerant remarks. I think I arrived a bit too late to have experienced the who and the other fruitcakes. One I do remember was Antonio who was probably the last true troll on the list. I recall some memorable exchanges between him and Bill Robb. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 22/03/2015 4:27 PM, Tom Reese wrote: it's interesting how these internet forums and anonymity bring out the worst in those with personality disorders. These people seem normal (based on the fact that they're apparently still running around loose) but they turn into raving lunatics when they get behind a keyboard. I resemble that remark. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve Harley wrote: it's not private, it's just that the archives are not well-positioned for search engines, but i get hits on them sometimes http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/ and there is also a non-official archive: https://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/ ...and I wonder what they then think? The PDML is like a manned mission to the Sun. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Google buying the archive didn't kill UseNet, but combining it with Gmail their own non-Usenet Google Groups didn't help. I think what may have really done it was the difficulty of creating a killfile that would work with the web interface. It was my own ISP's decision to no longer provide newsgroup access that did it for me. On 3/20/2015 5:11 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2015-03-20 14:23 , John wrote: Some time in (I believe) late 2006 Google bought out the UseNet Archive and my ISP (Time-Warner Roadrunner) announced they were going to shut down their news servers. Google bought the archive (which means they will probably delete it someday), but doesn't control Usenet, just provides probably the most-used interface to it these days in the early days (pre-web) access to nntp content was a given, and then in the middle years my ISPs had solid nntp servers, but these days it looks like it is pay to play if you want to avoid google i just took a peek into rec.photo.digital and to see what we are missing, and felt no desire to stick around ;? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Ralf R Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote: The PDML may not be as active as it used to be, but it still is a wonderful place and let's all hope it is here to stay for a long time. Ralf I just did five cartwheels and a reverse triple twist pointy toe back flip in agreement with Ralf! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: It's the Hotel California of mail lists. All we need to do is wave the warm smell of Colitas and the promise of a dark desert highway in front of them and they will see our shimmering light. And then, they are ours. Definitely on the MARKish side! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I must have heard about it on the Pentax web site—or maybe I did a search and found it—not sure exactly. I probably subscripted around late 2007 or early 2008, but I lurked for a bit. I might have started participating in late 2008ish. I just did a search: pentax cameras, pentax forums, pentax, pentax users, and, lastly, pentax discussion. The only search term that came up with PDML was pentax discussion. I did learn about a Pentax museum in Japan! http://www.filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=aev3gumfq333m40gd02thsjs14topic=1849.msg16045#msg16045 Cheers, Christine On Mar 19, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote: On 19/03/15 14:39, Rick Womer wrote: I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in 1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details. I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea? #I #think #we #should #try #to #look #cooler #by #using #a #certain #characters #a #lot. I have hashtag allergies! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. Interesting statistics, it would seem the remaining members are trying to make up for it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? Strange of you to ask :) I was searching on the interwebs and found this page with some useful links: http://www.robertstech.com/pentax.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/21/2015 09:45, Christine Aguila wrote: On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Ralf R Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote: The PDML may not be as active as it used to be, but it still is a wonderful place and let's all hope it is here to stay for a long time. Ralf I just did five cartwheels and a reverse triple twist pointy toe back flip in agreement with Ralf! Cheers, Christine a, -virtual- reality is wonderful :-) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 21/03/15 14:56, Christine Aguila wrote: On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote: On 19/03/15 14:39, Rick Womer wrote: I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in 1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details. I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea? #I #think #we #should #try #to #look #cooler #by #using #a #certain #characters #a #lot. I have hashtag allergies! Cheers, Christine So do I, really. Made myself slightly ill, there. Still trying to recover:-) - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I found the PDML via a Pentax site search in the early 90s. Always enjoyed the flame wars---some of them anyway, but never enough time to read all the messages back then. Stated with Kodak brownies in grade school. Graduated to an Argus C3 in High School. Picked up a Petri () in college. In 1968, when my career started taking me to many foreign destinations, I picked up a Spotmatic along at 28mm and 135mm lens. In 1974, I picked up a Spotmatic F (which I still have, its been rebuilt a couple times) no change in lenses. In the 90s, I picked up a 300mm and 100mm Macro, some other odds and ends, and a couple of ESIIs on ebay while the F was in the hospital, which I'll probably give away one of these days. I went digital early in the 2000s with a Coolpix 990 followed by a 5000, two 8400s and finally a 7700. Still have all but the 5000, which wore out.I found that the small size and reasonable price of these fit well into the field work environment I used them for---need for mobility made it hard to carry a large bag of equipment, leaving anything unattended risked damage and/or theft. I also found that I very much like the Nikon Speedlight flash system. I currently have a couple of SB800s. Am currently toying with the idea of picking up a K3 for existing light work and to possible get to use a few of my old Pentax lenses again. Drawback is size, need to go to a new flash system, and much less field work where I really needed better existing light capability. Otis Wright On 3/19/2015 10:41 AM, Alan C wrote: I found the PDML via Bojidar Dimitrov's k-mount pages. He gives a glowing recommendation. Alan C -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Where is everyone? Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-Original Message- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Where is everyone? Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I don't recall the exact year, but I was around for Shel, and The Who. Probably read something on UseNet in one of the photo gathering spots. My memory banks are not as nimble as they once were, especially for people's names, for which I apologize. The years have been interesting on PDML. I learned a lot by asking questions. Even more by viewing the interesting panorama of presented photographs. I have often wished I was with each of you in your travels, seeing, and capturing my own flavor of the same menu. PDML FOREVER ! ! Sent from my iPad -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv: On 20/3/15, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed: Anyway, here it is: http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.htm If anyone cares to update the link in 'Cotty's Hat' section, here you go: http://www.seeingeye.tv/pages/yum.html Anyone? That would be me Done!! -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bruce wrote: Man you mentioning Who and Bill mentioning Mafud brings back memories that had been successfully suppressed. Alas, I may not sleep too well tonight. The PDML is a far less volatile place than it once was. I used to wake up, switch on the dial up internet connection and gaze into the battlefield of postings where stands were taken, lines were crossed and some downright astonishing things were said. Many members fell in these wars. Of course, the greatest of them all created an alter ego to argue with himself. Whack jobs aren't what they used to be. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20/3/15, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed: Anyway, here it is: http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.htm If anyone cares to update the link in 'Cotty's Hat' section, here you go: http://www.seeingeye.tv/pages/yum.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Man you mentioning Who and Bill mentioning Mafud brings back memories that had been successfully suppressed. Alas, I may not sleep too well tonight. -- Bruce On March 19, 2015 8:13:32 PM PDT, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: You mention of Shel and meals in the same sentence... He once said (paraphrasing from memory here) - When you eat an excellent meal do you ask the chef what kind of pots and pans he used to cook it? Why then do you ask photographers what camera and lens they used to make a photo? I often think of that line, to this day.. I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a memorable character. There were others, much much worse, whoo shall not be named... Mark On 3/19/2015 11:36 AM, Bruce wrote: I had several meals with Shel over the time he spent on the list. I can certainly relate to the statement. He was a 'unique' character. Very agreeable as long as you saw things his way... -- Bruce On March 19, 2015 6:27:49 AM PDT, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Sent from Kaiten Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I found PDML in fall 2004. After two years of dealing with the frustrations of a digital PS, I started my search. The catalogs were filled with digiR*b*l information. I was leaning in that direction because it's what was readily available. I decided to check to see if Pentax had an offering. The *istDS was the latest, but the *istD was still being sold. I was glad to see that I wouldn't have to change systems to get into serious digital. Ordered my first DSLR from BH in November 2004 and have never looked back. My CBA is almost as bad as my LBA. I do more lurking than posting, but this list has provided lots of information and entertainment in the past 10.5 years. Cheers to many more years. Yonnie On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:36 AM, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote: Bruce wrote: Man you mentioning Who and Bill mentioning Mafud brings back memories that had been successfully suppressed. Alas, I may not sleep too well tonight. The PDML is a far less volatile place than it once was. I used to wake up, switch on the dial up internet connection and gaze into the battlefield of postings where stands were taken, lines were crossed and some downright astonishing things were said. Many members fell in these wars. Of course, the greatest of them all created an alter ego to argue with himself. Whack jobs aren't what they used to be. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 21:15:46 +0100 Toralf Lund wrote: On 19/03/15 14:27, Paul Stenquist wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Thought I hadn't been here *that* long, but I think I know. I remember Shel too, joined in the late nineties, still using film (MX and LX). Later I went digital with the original *istD, and also got a 67II for film. I assisted Bill Robb with getting the PUG up every month, for a year or two, and started contributing to the PUG again a few years back ... Don't post much to the PDML, but read most of it :) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com Flickr : jvw_pentax -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul via phone On Mar 20, 2015, at 5:48 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: steve harley wrote: On 2015-03-20 14:23 , John wrote: Some time in (I believe) late 2006 Google bought out the UseNet Archive and my ISP (Time-Warner Roadrunner) announced they were going to shut down their news servers. Google bought the archive (which means they will probably delete it someday), but doesn't control Usenet, just provides probably the most-used interface to it these days Yep. The old web archiving service was called DejaNews. Google bought them out and then was even more lax than DejaNews in enforcing their TOS. This predictably led to even more trolling and other abuse, which is probably exactly wanted to drive traffic away from Usenet and toward web sites. Not that it wouldn't have happened anyway, but Google certainly helped it happen faster and to a greater extent. i just took a peek into rec.photo.digital and to see what we are missing, and felt no desire to stick around ;? You're a brave man. ;-) I still have a usefilm account Dave Ditto. But I'm not sure what my password might be. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob Blakeley is still around - his Facebook page showed his birthday was on March 11. He is now retired. John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 10:02 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Where is everyone? On 19/03/2015 6:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. Through the Pentax USA website, sometime in 1998. What ever became of Bob Blakely? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark C wrote: I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a memorable character. I'd say buying an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it goes a bit beyond memorable. There were others, much much worse, whoo shall not be named... Oh come on, let's name them! I think I joined the PDML just after the character who called himself The Who left. I got to see a little of the wreckage he left in his wake. Suda Mafud/Kirkland Ramsey/M.T. Green was one of the least offensive (and longest lasting) oddballs we had. Most amusing when he posted as one identity when accidentally using the email address of another (Doug Brewer tells me he signed onto the list under several more aliases, albeit briefly). He was one of the characters suited to a text-only medium because he didn't want anyone to see what his photography looked like. He hated digital on principle (though what principle was never clear) and kind of faded away when the web and digital got so widespread and inexpensive that he couldn't think up any plausible excuses for not showing his photography to anyone. I think it was Brad Bobo (am I getting that name right?) who set a kind of benchmark for offensiveness. One year at Grandfather Mountain we got a (very welcome) surprise visit from one-time PDML regular Norm Baugher. When Tom Van Veen (another PDML stalwart who's no longer on the list) approached him Norm stuck out his hand and introduced himself as Brad Dobo, causing Tom to literally step back and prepare for a possible fist fight. Really. Then Norm revealed his true identity and collapsed in a fit of laughter. (Later, some time around 1:00 in the morning, we phoned up Cotty to say hello... and ni!) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark C wrote: I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a memorable character. I'd say buying an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it goes a bit beyond memorable. Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/20/2015 8:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark C wrote: I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a memorable character. I'd say buying an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it goes a bit beyond memorable. I was off list for a year or two in the early aughts and missed that particular battle. I'm sure I would have recalled it if it played out in the list. There were others, much much worse, whoo shall not be named... Oh come on, let's name them! I think I joined the PDML just after the character who called himself The Who left. I got to see a little of the wreckage he left in his wake. I recall him as Whoo with two o's but I'd rather not recall him at all. Suda Mafud/Kirkland Ramsey/M.T. Green was one of the least offensive (and longest lasting) oddballs we had. I forgot about Mafud. And then there was the nice guy Valentin who transformed into Caveman and sorta went off the rails. Mark --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Brian Walters wrote: There is an info page of sorts - the PDML FAQ. It was put together originally by Graywolf and updated by Scott when he was PUGmeister. I sort of inherited it when I took over the PUG. I tinkered with it a bit and used to post the link from time to time but I've omitted to do so for a few years. Anyway, here it is: http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.html Also, tangentially related, is the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend: http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=58 -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20/3/15, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Brad Bobo (am I getting that name right?) Dobo. I like Bobo better though -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Mark C wrote: Then Norm revealed his true identity and collapsed in a fit of laughter. (Later, some time around 1:00 in the morning, we phoned up Cotty to say hello... and ni!) I think it was closer to 2 am.:-) and yes it was brad Dobo. I had fear in my heart for a while after distributing Dario's Pentax poster one year. I mailed his to Brads home and in a moment of stupidity attached my return address. I seated that for month. ans he only lived a few hours west of me. Dave -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2015-03-19 17:41 , Bill wrote: Because it's a private email list, I suspect we would have to involve Doug and see if we can get ourselves on some search engines. it's not private, it's just that the archives are not well-positioned for search engines, but i get hits on them sometimes http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/ and there is also a non-official archive: https://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/20/2015 8:53 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 20/3/15, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Brad Bobo (am I getting that name right?) Dobo. I like Bobo better though It's not nice to make fun of the clinically insane, not that I wouldn't do it. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/20/2015 8:37 AM, Bill wrote: On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark C wrote: I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a memorable character. I'd say buying an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it goes a bit beyond memorable. Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we? bill I never realized he /never/ paid you. If I'd known I'd have thought a lot less of him. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com: Brian Walters wrote: There is an info page of sorts - the PDML FAQ. It was put together originally by Graywolf and updated by Scott when he was PUGmeister. I sort of inherited it when I took over the PUG. I tinkered with it a bit and used to post the link from time to time but I've omitted to do so for a few years. Anyway, here it is: http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.html Also, tangentially related, is the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend: http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=58 Link added to the FAQ under the GFM acronym. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2015-03-20 14:23 , John wrote: Some time in (I believe) late 2006 Google bought out the UseNet Archive and my ISP (Time-Warner Roadrunner) announced they were going to shut down their news servers. Google bought the archive (which means they will probably delete it someday), but doesn't control Usenet, just provides probably the most-used interface to it these days in the early days (pre-web) access to nntp content was a given, and then in the middle years my ISPs had solid nntp servers, but these days it looks like it is pay to play if you want to avoid google i just took a peek into rec.photo.digital and to see what we are missing, and felt no desire to stick around ;? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Most email clients seem to default to a HTML/MIME interface now-a-days, and people coming to the internet lately don't even know about plain text. The PDML's plain text requirement may pose problems for such Know Nothing Newcomers. I prefer plain text, but it's getting increasingly difficult to get others to use it when sending me emails. Now-a-days I get a lot email that just consists of a message telling me I don't have my email client configured correctly a link to some site where I'm supposedly able to read the email in a browser. Pretty much I just delete them. If they're that stupid, they don't really have anything I want to hear about anyway. If I wanted to read emails in a browser, I'd be using web-mail. PDML's plain text only format suits me just fine. On 3/19/2015 7:25 PM, John Coyle wrote: -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 8:05 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think I found it in 1997, probably by doing a search for Pentax information on the Web - whether it was Google or not I can't now remember. I stay with the group because: I am still a self-confessed fan boy. This group can answer more questions and provide more real-world guidance than any other group I have come across. I've owned and used Pentax cameras almost exclusively for 47 years (OMG!!), and probably always will. I like the plain text, it's easy, and there is no chance of some pest slipping in malware via HTML: I like too the fact that I can choose which messages to retain, and just delete the rest. On another photo group Facebook hosted, the messages just accumulate, seemingly forever. I've only physically met a couple of other PDML-ers (living in Australia it tends to be hard to meet up with others), but I feel I know most of the people in this group reasonably well from their input over the years. Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/19/2015 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. I used to participate in UseNet discussions on rec.photo.equipment.35mm (among others). Some time in (I believe) late 2006 Google bought out the UseNet Archive and my ISP (Time-Warner Roadrunner) announced they were going to shut down their news servers. The Google Groups interface just didn't work for me, so I was looking for an alternative. I don't remember how I found out about mailing lists, but I do remember that once I did I already knew there was one for Pentax. So I Googled for it found PDML. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: steve harley wrote: On 2015-03-20 14:23 , John wrote: Some time in (I believe) late 2006 Google bought out the UseNet Archive and my ISP (Time-Warner Roadrunner) announced they were going to shut down their news servers. Google bought the archive (which means they will probably delete it someday), but doesn't control Usenet, just provides probably the most-used interface to it these days Yep. The old web archiving service was called DejaNews. Google bought them out and then was even more lax than DejaNews in enforcing their TOS. This predictably led to even more trolling and other abuse, which is probably exactly wanted to drive traffic away from Usenet and toward web sites. Not that it wouldn't have happened anyway, but Google certainly helped it happen faster and to a greater extent. i just took a peek into rec.photo.digital and to see what we are missing, and felt no desire to stick around ;? You're a brave man. ;-) I still have a usefilm account Dave -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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steve harley wrote: On 2015-03-20 14:23 , John wrote: Some time in (I believe) late 2006 Google bought out the UseNet Archive and my ISP (Time-Warner Roadrunner) announced they were going to shut down their news servers. Google bought the archive (which means they will probably delete it someday), but doesn't control Usenet, just provides probably the most-used interface to it these days Yep. The old web archiving service was called DejaNews. Google bought them out and then was even more lax than DejaNews in enforcing their TOS. This predictably led to even more trolling and other abuse, which is probably exactly wanted to drive traffic away from Usenet and toward web sites. Not that it wouldn't have happened anyway, but Google certainly helped it happen faster and to a greater extent. i just took a peek into rec.photo.digital and to see what we are missing, and felt no desire to stick around ;? You're a brave man. ;-) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19 March 2015 at 23:42, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/2015 6:12 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: Seriously if I hung out regularly at any of the other Pentax fora or for that matter Nikon or Canon groups I'd have invented a way to teleport bombs through the internet by now. That's a Mark. There seems to be about two years' worth of reMARK!able comments in this thread. I'm another joiner from the Pentax USA days. Can only think of four (maybe five) present day contributors who were here when I started. I'm not too bothered about active recruitment - I would prefer to meet those who actively search and join, as I did. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20 March 2015 at 15:44, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/20/2015 8:37 AM, Bill wrote: On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark C wrote: I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a memorable character. I'd say buying an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it goes a bit beyond memorable. Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we? bill I never realized he /never/ paid you. If I'd known I'd have thought a lot less of him. Not his only offence, unfortunately. Me being particularly stupid, I was stung twice - albeit for substantially less, I suspect. And no, you can't sell me a bridge. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:03 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 19 March 2015 at 23:42, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/2015 6:12 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: Seriously if I hung out regularly at any of the other Pentax fora or for that matter Nikon or Canon groups I'd have invented a way to teleport bombs through the internet by now. That's a Mark. There seems to be about two years' worth of reMARK!able comments in this thread. I'm another joiner from the Pentax USA days. Can only think of four (maybe five) present day contributors who were here when I started. I'm not too bothered about active recruitment - I would prefer to meet those who actively search and join, as I did. I met Cotty, be careful of what your request, :-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:12 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 20 March 2015 at 15:44, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/20/2015 8:37 AM, Bill wrote: On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark C wrote: I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a memorable character. I'd say buying an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it goes a bit beyond memorable. Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we? bill I never realized he /never/ paid you. If I'd known I'd have thought a lot less of him. Not his only offence, unfortunately. Me being particularly stupid, I was stung twice - albeit for substantially less, I suspect. And no, you can't sell me a bridge. What about rent a bridge Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20 March 2015 at 22:16, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:12 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 20 March 2015 at 15:44, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/20/2015 8:37 AM, Bill wrote: On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark C wrote: I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a memorable character. I'd say buying an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it goes a bit beyond memorable. Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we? bill I never realized he /never/ paid you. If I'd known I'd have thought a lot less of him. Not his only offence, unfortunately. Me being particularly stupid, I was stung twice - albeit for substantially less, I suspect. And no, you can't sell me a bridge. What about rent a bridge Tell me more. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:12 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 20 March 2015 at 15:44, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/20/2015 8:37 AM, Bill wrote: On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark C wrote: I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a memorable character. I'd say buying an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it goes a bit beyond memorable. Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we? bill I never realized he /never/ paid you. If I'd known I'd have thought a lot less of him. Not his only offence, unfortunately. Me being particularly stupid, I was stung twice - albeit for substantially less, I suspect. And no, you can't sell me a bridge. For me, just once. He bought an LX from me, then claimed it wasn’t working. [He claimed the film advance was not working properly.] I should have had him just send it back but I gave him 50% off even though I knew that it had been working when I sent it and the packaging had been beyond careful. But I didn’t want to go through the selling process again and let him get away with it. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:18 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 20 March 2015 at 22:16, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:12 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 20 March 2015 at 15:44, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/20/2015 8:37 AM, Bill wrote: On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark C wrote: I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a memorable character. I'd say buying an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it goes a bit beyond memorable. Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we? bill I never realized he /never/ paid you. If I'd known I'd have thought a lot less of him. Not his only offence, unfortunately. Me being particularly stupid, I was stung twice - albeit for substantially less, I suspect. And no, you can't sell me a bridge. What about rent a bridge Tell me more. I will but it spans a few storys Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just glanced at this thread. There are 98 posts in it. Whew! Now I know where everyone is: sitting at their computers, smart phones, or tablets… G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. If the members of this list do a good job of showing off the PDML annual, and mentioning that the photos are done by the members of a very good online photo discussion forum, we might be able to both raise more money with the book, and possibly get a few new members. I also suspect that with the changes from the Ricoh purchase, Pentax as a brand will gain a lot more visibility, particularly with the incipient full frame camera. It's one of those features that a lot of people seem to think that they need. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/03/2015 8:44 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Yeah, I got a bit of Shel shock early on, but soon felt the warmth of some fellow posters. Can everyone please just stop mentioning him? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Top up my pension fund for me and I'll post until your eyes bleed. On 19 March 2015 at 02:03, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Part of the problem is we're not Pentax Fanboys here. On a lot of the Fora, brand is everything, id doesn't matter what the brand ultimately does to you, and some users will even advocate for changes that will render their previous investment at worst useless. Now that's brand loyalty. I stick with Pentax because I have a raft of Pentax lenses, replacing them would be just too painful financially. I stick with the PDML because seriously/ I love you guys, even when I want to throttle some of you. Seriously if I hung out regularly at any of the other Pentax fora or for that matter Nikon or Canon groups I'd have invented a way to teleport bombs through the internet by now. On 3/18/2015 10:03 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? Rick -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What do you mean starting? On 3/18/2015 11:55 PM, David Mann wrote: I've noticed the same thing. I put it down to the spam filtering issues that have been affecting users of some ISPs lately but maybe it's just that we're starting to smell bad. Cheers, Dave On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:03 pm, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/03/2015 6:12 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: Seriously if I hung out regularly at any of the other Pentax fora or for that matter Nikon or Canon groups I'd have invented a way to teleport bombs through the internet by now. That's a Mark. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 8:05 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think I found it in 1997, probably by doing a search for Pentax information on the Web - whether it was Google or not I can't now remember. I stay with the group because: I am still a self-confessed fan boy. This group can answer more questions and provide more real-world guidance than any other group I have come across. I've owned and used Pentax cameras almost exclusively for 47 years (OMG!!), and probably always will. I like the plain text, it's easy, and there is no chance of some pest slipping in malware via HTML: I like too the fact that I can choose which messages to retain, and just delete the rest. On another photo group Facebook hosted, the messages just accumulate, seemingly forever. I've only physically met a couple of other PDML-ers (living in Australia it tends to be hard to meet up with others), but I feel I know most of the people in this group reasonably well from their input over the years. Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I stumbled into the PDML from the official Pentax website as well. The first post I read was by the now keeper of the list regarding shooting an alligator That was a while ago. On 3/19/2015 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 22:03:42 -0400 Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: How do we keep both new and existing members? i joined sometime late 2006 when i had got myself a k50/1.2 without having a pentax camera and googled for info about the lens and came upon pdml archives. well, one difference between then and now is that the list seems to have become a lot more sanitised in recent years (the kind of, err, interactions that used to happen between Bill and JCO or instance don't happen anymore). not sure whether that's good or bad but it certainly made for interesting reading then. i very rarely post here because i've hardly touched my camera in two years. but am still here. not really sure why. regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/03/2015 6:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. Through the Pentax USA website, sometime in 1998. What ever became of Bob Blakely? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: On Mar 19, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: ... Unhappily, my tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore… OK, so I mostly do Nature and Scenic shots, with Wildlife thrown in. Sometimes the shapes and forms are my focus, sometimes it is the vibrant colors on the trees. Sometimes the trees have no leaves. You do Nature and Scenic shots, with wildlife thrown in. Sometimes the shapes and forms are your focus, sometimes the vibrant colors of the accessories. Sometimes your “trees have no leaves. It seems to me that our tastes are very similar. Seriously, I think this is one of the aspects that I really enjoy about PDML. I am not likely to follow you or Bill into the studio. I am not likely to follow Larry or Igor onto the dance floor. I am not likely to follow Rob or Dario onto stage. But I do enjoy and believe I learn something from the challenges you face and the steps you take to overcome those challenges. If PDML was all about birds or Nature photography it would be rather boring. Very well put, Stan! I'm glad you put it that way. I hang around and post the odd thing assuming that somebody will find it interesting. But it seems like a pretty one-sided conversation much of the time, and I've been seeking encouragement elsewhere. And quite so: at the root of it I'm looking for form, texture, line, colour, ... just like most of the rest of us. Those who aren't just looking for gear anyway. ;) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Tom Reese tomreesep...@gmail.com: to reduce the slide: remember that rudeness turns people off (not aimed at anyone at all - a general observation from many forums over many years) try to help when people ask for it people participate because the list is informative, entertaining and it provides social interaction - any others? no one likes to be ignored - everyone needs to be acknowledged once in a while to increase the profile: put it out there on the social media sites. Not changing the format of the list but adding a pdml information page with the stuff necessary to make sure it pops in searches. Add keywords like photography Pentax and various related subjects. There is an info page of sorts - the PDML FAQ. It was put together originally by Graywolf and updated by Scott when he was PUGmeister. I sort of inherited it when I took over the PUG. I tinkered with it a bit and used to post the link from time to time but I've omitted to do so for a few years. Anyway, here it is: http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.html -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Bruce Walker wrote: I was never much of a gear head, and I'm even less so now, so gear chat generally bores me. My chief reason for hanging out in any photography forum is images; both viewing and sharing. Unhappily, my tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore. I've been enjoying your recent work, and have been very interested in how you go about it, since it intersects very closely with a lot of the stuff I'm working on. I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to decide whether or not sharing photographic interests with me is a good thing. Appreciated, Larry. It doesn't concern me that we share photographic interests. Perhaps it should? ;) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You mention of Shel and meals in the same sentence... He once said (paraphrasing from memory here) - When you eat an excellent meal do you ask the chef what kind of pots and pans he used to cook it? Why then do you ask photographers what camera and lens they used to make a photo? I often think of that line, to this day.. I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a memorable character. There were others, much much worse, whoo shall not be named... Mark On 3/19/2015 11:36 AM, Bruce wrote: I had several meals with Shel over the time he spent on the list. I can certainly relate to the statement. He was a 'unique' character. Very agreeable as long as you saw things his way... -- Bruce On March 19, 2015 6:27:49 AM PDT, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 18/03/2015 8:03 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. Heck, I bet when Bruce R. and Pseudo Mafud were posting we'd be getting in a day what we now get in a month, There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. Because it's a private email list, I suspect we would have to involve Doug and see if we can get ourselves on some search engines. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? Rick It's the Hotel California of mail lists. All we need to do is wave the warm smell of Colitas and the promise of a dark desert highway in front of them and they will see our shimmering light. And then, they are ours. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/03/2015 1:18 PM, wendy beard wrote: I bet that's how I found the PDML too. Through Boz's page. I've been on the list for at least 15 years, mostly lurking. I have also met 3 PDMLers. And you were very brave about it too. The boy has settled down a lot, but he is still an ass with strangers. I managed to put 3 points on him before he snapped in the ring and got really belligerent. I think the Special Bitch that was in the ring with us was in season, and poor little Bug didn't know what was going on. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 19.03.15 um 03:03 schrieb Rick Womer: So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. In the early days of the PDML (don't even remember when I joined), there were very few internet forums. Now, there are dozens. They seem to have more appeal, not lastly because photos can be included right in the individual messages, which certainly is a plus for a photo forum. On the downside, the admins and moderators are back. I still remember the olden days when we had dial-up mailboxes run by owners and admins who thought they were God's gift to the online world and everybody had to be of their opinion or better leave. The same attitude is to be found in most forums nowadays. Some time ago, I joined one on a transport theme and unkowingly dared question a statement by someone I didn't know was the owner of the forum. My further contributions were immediately set to moderated and when I asked for the reason I received a long tirade about cyber bullying, bickering and snyde remarks and daring to bite the hand that fed me this wonderful forum. I'm way out of kindergarten age and had my account deleted at once. Another reason may be the fact that some mail and news cleint software has been made obsolete. I still miss MacSoup and the fact that I'm quite unhappy with Thunderbird also shows in the number of my contributions on here. For the same reason I've quit Usenet altogether. The PDML may not be as active as it used to be, but it still is a wonderful place and let's all hope it is here to stay for a long time. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea? If we require all members to post 3 times a a day we could get to the 2010 monthly total ! ;+)! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in 1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details. I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea? Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The PDML is like an overnight bus journey with a garrulous drunk. Yeah but the scenery has been pretty interesting ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com Subject: Re: Where is everyone? On 19 Mar 2015, at 13:33, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. So very long ago, I can't remember. Many folk now seem to like web based forums. Many of these are very strict about keeping to topic and camera brand, and about as much fun as falling off a cliff. On the PDML list, someone will probably know the answer to a question regardless of camera brand - or topic! And you'll probably get a long rambling detour through the arcane mysteries of some barely-related side-issue before you even get close to the answer. The PDML is like an overnight bus journey with a garrulous drunk. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've been reduced to taking cat photos. Yo... MARK ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca Subject: Re: Where is everyone? It’s been so cold the last few months I haven’t even wanted to go outside, let alone take any photos Same here. We're up to our eyeballs in snow here in Nova Scotia, too. I've been reduced to taking cat photos. --- Steven Sharpe - The Office Gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca wrote: I've been reduced to taking cat photos. Your Auto-Correct must have been off ... I'm privileged to be able to take cat photos. That's better. :) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm privileged to be able to take cat photos. Ahem. MARK ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Where is everyone? On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca wrote: I've been reduced to taking cat photos. Your Auto-Correct must have been off ... I'm privileged to be able to take cat photos. That's better. :) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 19, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: ... Unhappily, my tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore… OK, so I mostly do Nature and Scenic shots, with Wildlife thrown in. Sometimes the shapes and forms are my focus, sometimes it is the vibrant colors on the trees. Sometimes the trees have no leaves. You do Nature and Scenic shots, with wildlife thrown in. Sometimes the shapes and forms are your focus, sometimes the vibrant colors of the accessories. Sometimes your “trees have no leaves. It seems to me that our tastes are very similar. Seriously, I think this is one of the aspects that I really enjoy about PDML. I am not likely to follow you or Bill into the studio. I am not likely to follow Larry or Igor onto the dance floor. I am not likely to follow Rob or Dario onto stage. But I do enjoy and believe I learn something from the challenges you face and the steps you take to overcome those challenges. If PDML was all about birds or Nature photography it would be rather boring. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think it was Google for me. I’d never owned a Pentax camera, but in early 2005, while deciding what was to be my first DSLR, I met a friend of mine from Japan at a trade how and he’d just bought an *istDS and let me hold it and it just felt “right.” So I got one. I must have found the PDML pretty quickly after that, as within two weeks of receiving the camera I attended a PDML get together in San Jose and met quite a few of the local members. (I also spent a couple of interesting afternoons with Shel during his occasional visits to Santa Cruz.) The time I’ve had to dedicate to photography has varied wildly over the years. There have been periods when I turned off the list because the volume of traffic was overwhelming, but I always turned it on again when I got back to shooting. Hopefully once again on the upswing. - Marco On Mar 19, 2015, at 5:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in 1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details. I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea? Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I googled (or whatever passed for googling in those days - it was through the PDML that I learned about Google's early existence) because the mirror in my LX kept sticking up. I should have let it be. B On 19 Mar 2015, at 12:54, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Same here. Found it on the Pentax website. Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. I was resting at home after my heart attack in 2000. Friend lent me a computer to access the inter web. I just did a search for Pentax to see whats out there and found this place. I've been writing cheques ever since. Dave -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. So very long ago, I can't remember. Many folk now seem to like web based forums. Many of these are very strict about keeping to topic and camera brand, and about as much fun as falling off a cliff. On the PDML list, someone will probably know the answer to a question regardless of camera brand - or topic! Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out about the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com When I gave up video and rediscovered photography in the mid-late ‘90s, I moved from my old ME-Supers to Pz-1p. The whole autofocus, Power Zoom etc were a mystery to me. But most importantly, I wanted to buy lenses. Particularly a “modern” 135mm lens. Looking on eBay, I was totally confused by the vast numbers of different 135mm lenses. So I went to the Pentax site looking for information, found a link to this group, and the rest is history. I remember that one reason people used to give for not staying with PDML once they found us was that they couldn’t deal with the high volume of messages. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. That's the way I found out about the PDML, must have been in the early 90's. Mainly stayed interested early on for the equipment info I could get here. There was no other source of info/expertise related to Pentax products then. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Subject: Re: Where is everyone? Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I read about the PDML in Tim Bray's blog, back when he was a Pentax user. It was summer 2007, and I had just bought (or was just about to buy) my first DSLR, a K100D Super, and I could see that the level of discourse here was smarter than dpreview et al. I was never much of a gear head, and I'm even less so now, so gear chat generally bores me. My chief reason for hanging out in any photography forum is images; both viewing and sharing. Unhappily, my tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/19/2015 08:53, Mark Roberts wrote: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) Piping in seriously... I sold a 300mm Pentax lens I couldn't handhold anymore back in 1999 to a man named Terry in British Columbia.. we chatted a bit - he sent me an email that was subject-lined Published, sort of and a link to his frog photo on the PUG. Don't know what happened to him.. but when I realized it was an email discussion list I hopped on with a techy question about shooting with polarized light sources as well as filter on camera and got answers. Liked the PUG so submitted a photo of Capitol Reef. Wheatfield was pug-meister at the time.. (Bill Robb, to you young'uns) Although there are not a lot of posts compared to a couple of years ago I do notice that when I post a photo I get a few comments from chums but the stats on smugmug tell me I have a few hundred views over a couple of days. That suggests a lot of lurkers to me. Made good friends here over the years. ann annsan.smugmug.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Shhh - let that can of worms alone :-) ann On 3/19/2015 09:27, Paul Stenquist wrote: Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19 Mar 2015, at 13:33, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. So very long ago, I can't remember. Many folk now seem to like web based forums. Many of these are very strict about keeping to topic and camera brand, and about as much fun as falling off a cliff. On the PDML list, someone will probably know the answer to a question regardless of camera brand - or topic! And you'll probably get a long rambling detour through the arcane mysteries of some barely-related side-issue before you even get close to the answer. The PDML is like an overnight bus journey with a garrulous drunk. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: And you'll probably get a long rambling detour through the arcane mysteries of some barely-related side-issue before you even get close to the answer. The PDML is like an overnight bus journey with a garrulous drunk. That was very sneaky. Now we're already off topic :-) Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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MARK! On 3/19/2015 06:53, mike wilson wrote: Top up my pension fund for me and I'll post until your eyes bleed. On 19 March 2015 at 02:03, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, I got a bit of Shel shock early on, but soon felt the warmth of some fellow posters. I really didn't need that memory recalled. Jack - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 6:27:49 AM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-) Paul via phone On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show. I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so i pretty much gave that place up. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine. Interest peaks have flattened. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM Subject: Re: Where is everyone? I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. The web-based DP Review Pentax Forums are easy to find for people looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems. Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except when a new model is rumoured or released. Perhaps we're all so familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance. I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was well down the list. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Quoting Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My photography was going in a direction that wasn't pleasing me. I decided to cut back on interaction with photography sites, the camera club and, in general, photo enthusiast stuff. So much of what is discussed is only of interest to other photography hobbyists and isn't even on the radar for most folks. I still scan list but don't look at photos much these days. I have three significant hobbies and moving between them seems cyclical. More time is spent on others as interest in one decreases. For now I'm contended with other things and will return to more active photographic efforts in time. Just an aside: email lists seem to be a hangover from the past. Lists seem to be populated by older folks that discovered the Internet before things like forums and Facebook were around. As only one example, I listen to a very popular podcast for one of my other hobbies. Each episode is downloaded around 100,000 times. It's rare that the associated email list for discussion sees more than half a dozen posts each week. On the other hand, the Facebook group will see about 50 new posts every day. There is very little overlap between the two. You can sense the age divide when reading both. Don't care much for Facebook as a company, but that seems to be where the majority of people are these days. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Serious question: How did you find out about the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com When I gave up video and rediscovered photography in the mid-late ‘90s, I moved from my old ME-Supers to Pz-1p. The whole autofocus, Power Zoom etc were a mystery to me. But most importantly, I wanted to buy lenses. Particularly a “modern” 135mm lens. Looking on eBay, I was totally confused by the vast numbers of different 135mm lenses. So I went to the Pentax site looking for information, found a link to this group, and the rest is history. I remember that one reason people used to give for not staying with PDML once they found us was that they couldn’t deal with the high volume of messages. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I found the PDML via Bojidar Dimitrov's k-mount pages. He gives a glowing recommendation. Alan C -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Where is everyone? Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It’s been so cold the last few months I haven’t even wanted to go outside, let alone take any photos Same here. We're up to our eyeballs in snow here in Nova Scotia, too. I've been reduced to taking cat photos. --- Steven Sharpe - The Office Gallery d...@eastlink.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I’ve had difficulty posting for the longest time. 6 months or more - even after I’d switched e-mail addresses for the list subscription. I still can't post from Apple Mail - even with the format set to plain text. It doesn't bounce back, just never appears. I think I found the magic button on the gmail web interface to make it work. I'll soon find out :) It’s been so cold the last few months I haven’t even wanted to go outside, let alone take any photos Wendy On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So, being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in the archives. In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members. In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members. In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members. In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members. In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members. In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members. So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of posts is down by 3/4. There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently, from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn around this decline. How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I bet that's how I found the PDML too. Through Boz's page. I've been on the list for at least 15 years, mostly lurking. I have also met 3 PDMLers. Wendy On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: I found the PDML via Bojidar Dimitrov's k-mount pages. He gives a glowing recommendation. Alan C -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Where is everyone? Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com: Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML? (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.) Googling - or more likely, since it was around 2002-3, AltaVista-ing. I must have lurked for a while because my first post wasn't until April 2004. Took me that long to work up the courage to dive in. (Bloody hell - that means I've been hanging around here for over 10 years...) -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/3/15, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: breath of fresh air to find a group of photographers who generally knew their aperture from a hole in the ground Mark! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
