Re: PESO: Great Blue Heron

[Bruce]

I especially like the bird in flight shot.Nice job! 

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Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>In the Rouge River this morning:
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17549556&size=lg
>
>And departing the Rouge River:
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17549555&size=lg


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Re: PESO - Fly into a New Day

[Bruce]

I like all that sky.   I think that the feeling comes through.   Nicely 
portrayed! 

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knarf  wrote:
>Just a quiet, unaessuming dawn. Hopefully the incredible calm that I
>experienced comes through:
>
>http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/10/fly-into-new-day.html?m=1
>
>Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
>Cheers,
>frank
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Re: PESO - Ken-san

[Bob W]

Nice composition with lots of interesting triangles going on, reflecting the 
main triangle of the bike.

B

> On 7 Oct 2013, at 01:56, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Toronto seems to be attracting quite a few Japanese messengers lately. First 
> Kota then Moto (who's still here) and now Ken.
> 
> Here he is doing his first Alley Cat (messenger race) a couple of weeks ago 
> at a checkpoint, mugging for the camera:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/09/ken-san.html?m=1
> 
> Just havin' a bit of fun. Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel
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facebook post about being the community photographer

[Larry Colen]

This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while.  I didn't 
have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing.  And it
was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as "there are people out there
doing a lot more work than you realize", and not come across as "I do
all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?".  I hope 
I succeeded.  

If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have 
nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not because of 
my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not legendary, but it is no 
secret. The reason that most people connect with me on social networking sites 
is because I'm one of the people that gets decent photos at those events where 
the cell phone photos always look like crap.  In just about any social group 
there are a few of us, generally three or four, that you see at the various 
events, taking photos.
Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past year 
or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them all the 
time.  You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera.  Meanwhile, the 
performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the exponential rate that 
Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago.  So, not only can just about anyone 
take a photo at any time, but there's a decent chance that photo will look OK, 
or at least the objects in it will probably be recognizable.  But in our 
various social groups, there are three or four of us who fairly regularly hear 
someone admit that their photos don't turn out as well as ours.  
There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you.  While 
cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a good grasp 
of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is reasonably well 
exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know your aperture from a 
hole in the ground, chances  are you won't take many good photos.  
Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general 
direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but quite 
frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything but 
favorable light.
What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need good 
(read expensive) cameras and lenses.  This is true to a point.  A good 
photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working 
camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply need 
the right tool for the job.  If you want pictures of people dancing in a room 
that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a pretty good 
camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use them, you're 
going to need a decent computer for processing those photos.  You can get these 
things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're passionate about 
photography chances are that you've spent well over a thousand dollars on your 
kit.  Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a few times that on your 
kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take and process good photos 
in challenging light for under two or three thousand dollars.
So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent the 
time to learn the basics of photography, and they spent more time practicing, 
and they spent a fair chunk of money on decent camera and computer gear. I'm 
not even going to start on the time, expense and effort involved with film and 
darkroom, I've Been There, Done That, and while it has it's appeal, it is 
beyond the scope of this discussion, and possibly even sanity in this day and 
age.
These are arguably reasons enough to appreciate the people taking those photos 
of you dancing, riding bikes, playing guitar. racing cars or whatever.  But 
we've barely even started.
If we're taking photos at an event, there are things that we're not doing, and 
most of them are the reasons that we started going to those events at the first 
place. If it's at a dance, and I'm taking photos, there isn't a pretty girl in 
my arms moving to the music.  If I'm at a class and taking photos, I'm missing 
a lot of what the teacher is saying, because while the teacher is talking, I'm 
also looking at the light, thinking about when something interesting is going 
to happen, taking care not to disturb class myself and very little of my brain 
is left over to absorb what is being taught.
I'm not saying that taking photos isn't fun.  It is a lot of fun, or we 
wouldn't be doing it on our own time, and giving away the photos for free.  
There are a lot of reasons to give them away for free.  The big one is that 
most of us do this as a way to give back to the community and our friends. The 
other reason is that if we tried to sell our photos, we wouldn't get any money 
for them anyways, in no small part because we'd be competing against the people 
who are

Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Bob W]

Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text - 
why should anyone want to read it? 

Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences.

B

> On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while.  I didn't 
> have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing.  And it
> was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as "there are people out there
> doing a lot more work than you realize", and not come across as "I do
> all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?".  I hope 
> I succeeded.  
> 
> If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have 
> nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not because 
> of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not legendary, but it 
> is no secret. The reason that most people connect with me on social 
> networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets decent photos at 
> those events where the cell phone photos always look like crap.  In just 
> about any social group there are a few of us, generally three or four, that 
> you see at the various events, taking photos.
> Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past 
> year or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them 
> all the time.  You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera.  Meanwhile, 
> the performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the exponential rate 
> that Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago.  So, not only can just about 
> anyone take a photo at any time, but there's a decent chance that photo will 
> look OK, or at least the objects in it will probably be recognizable.  But in 
> our various social groups, there are three or four of us who fairly regularly 
> hear someone admit that their photos don't turn out as well as ours.  
> There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you.  
> While cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a 
> good grasp of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is reasonably 
> well exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know your aperture 
> from a hole in the ground, chances  are you won't take many good photos.  
> Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general 
> direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but 
> quite frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything but 
> favorable light.
> What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need good 
> (read expensive) cameras and lenses.  This is true to a point.  A good 
> photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working 
> camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply need 
> the right tool for the job.  If you want pictures of people dancing in a room 
> that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a pretty good 
> camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use them, 
> you're going to need a decent computer for processing those photos.  You can 
> get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're passionate 
> about photography chances are that you've spent well over a thousand dollars 
> on your kit.  Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a few times that 
> on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take and process 
> good photos in challenging light for under two or three thousand dollars.
> So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent the 
> time to learn the basics of photography, and they spent more time practicing, 
> and they spent a fair chunk of money on decent camera and computer gear. I'm 
> not even going to start on the time, expense and effort involved with film 
> and darkroom, I've Been There, Done That, and while it has it's appeal, it is 
> beyond the scope of this discussion, and possibly even sanity in this day and 
> age.
> These are arguably reasons enough to appreciate the people taking those 
> photos of you dancing, riding bikes, playing guitar. racing cars or whatever. 
>  But we've barely even started.
> If we're taking photos at an event, there are things that we're not doing, 
> and most of them are the reasons that we started going to those events at the 
> first place. If it's at a dance, and I'm taking photos, there isn't a pretty 
> girl in my arms moving to the music.  If I'm at a class and taking photos, 
> I'm missing a lot of what the teacher is saying, because while the teacher is 
> talking, I'm also looking at the light, thinking about when something 
> interesting is going to happen, taking care not to disturb class myself and 
> very little of my brain is left over to absorb what is being taught.
> I'm not saying that taking photos isn't fun.  It is a lot of fun, or we 
> wouldn't be doing it on our

Re: Pentax MX-1 advice sought

[Jaume Lahuerta]

- Mensaje original -

De: Aahz Maruch 

>On Fri, Oct 04, 2013, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
>>
>> (it is not true that you have to take the cap off to review pictures,
>> you can start in review mode just pressing the review button for a
>> while, just like almost all current compact cameras)

>Thanks for that tip!  Works nicely on my Nikon P7100.


You are welcome.

For me this discovery was similar to the Ctrl+Enter for a page break...
;-)

Regards,Jaume


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Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Attila Boros]

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Bob W  wrote:

> Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text 
> - why should anyone want to read it?

Sorry Bob, I've already read it before your post showed up:) I guess
I'm used to reading long texts.

Since I'm not doing event photography I don't have much to add. Though
I'm puzzled by your experience.

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Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Boris Liberman]

http://www.achangeinthewind.com/2010/09/war-and-peace-in-53-words-.html

It is approximately 7.5 words per sentence...

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Bob W  wrote:
> Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text 
> - why should anyone want to read it?
>
> Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences.
>
> B
>
>> On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>
>> This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while.  I didn't
>> have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing.  And it
>> was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as "there are people out there
>> doing a lot more work than you realize", and not come across as "I do
>> all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?".  I hope
>> I succeeded.
>>
>> If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have 
>> nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not because 
>> of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not legendary, but it 
>> is no secret. The reason that most people connect with me on social 
>> networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets decent photos at 
>> those events where the cell phone photos always look like crap.  In just 
>> about any social group there are a few of us, generally three or four, that 
>> you see at the various events, taking photos.
>> Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past 
>> year or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them 
>> all the time.  You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera.  
>> Meanwhile, the performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the 
>> exponential rate that Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago.  So, not 
>> only can just about anyone take a photo at any time, but there's a decent 
>> chance that photo will look OK, or at least the objects in it will probably 
>> be recognizable.  But in our various social groups, there are three or four 
>> of us who fairly regularly hear someone admit that their photos don't turn 
>> out as well as ours.
>> There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you.  
>> While cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a 
>> good grasp of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is 
>> reasonably well exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know 
>> your aperture from a hole in the ground, chances  are you won't take many 
>> good photos.
>> Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general 
>> direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but 
>> quite frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything 
>> but favorable light.
>> What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need 
>> good (read expensive) cameras and lenses.  This is true to a point.  A good 
>> photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working 
>> camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply need 
>> the right tool for the job.  If you want pictures of people dancing in a 
>> room that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a pretty 
>> good camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use them, 
>> you're going to need a decent computer for processing those photos.  You can 
>> get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're passionate 
>> about photography chances are that you've spent well over a thousand dollars 
>> on your kit.  Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a few times that 
>> on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take and process 
>> good photos in challenging light for under two or three thousand dollars.
>> So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent 
>> the time to learn the basics of photography, and they spent more time 
>> practicing, and they spent a fair chunk of money on decent camera and 
>> computer gear. I'm not even going to start on the time, expense and effort 
>> involved with film and darkroom, I've Been There, Done That, and while it 
>> has it's appeal, it is beyond the scope of this discussion, and possibly 
>> even sanity in this day and age.
>> These are arguably reasons enough to appreciate the people taking those 
>> photos of you dancing, riding bikes, playing guitar. racing cars or 
>> whatever.  But we've barely even started.
>> If we're taking photos at an event, there are things that we're not doing, 
>> and most of them are the reasons that we started going to those events at 
>> the first place. If it's at a dance, and I'm taking photos, there isn't a 
>> pretty girl in my arms moving to the music.  If I'm at a class and taking 
>> photos, I'm missing a lot of what the teacher is saying, because while the 
>> teacher is talking, I'm also looking at the light, thinking about when 
>> something interesting 

Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[DagT]

I think I will refer to this the next time someone ask me why I don't take 
pictures at some event :-)

DagT

Sendt fra min iPad

> Den 7. okt. 2013 kl. 09:56 skrev Larry Colen :
> 
> This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while.  I didn't 
> have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing.  And it
> was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as "there are people out there
> doing a lot more work than you realize", and not come across as "I do
> all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?".  I hope 
> I succeeded.  
> 
> If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have 
> nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not because 
> of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not legendary, but it 
> is no secret. The reason that most people connect with me on social 
> networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets decent photos at 
> those events where the cell phone photos always look like crap.  In just 
> about any social group there are a few of us, generally three or four, that 
> you see at the various events, taking photos.
> Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past 
> year or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them 
> all the time.  You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera.  Meanwhile, 
> the performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the exponential rate 
> that Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago.  So, not only can just about 
> anyone take a photo at any time, but there's a decent chance that photo will 
> look OK, or at least the objects in it will probably be recognizable.  But in 
> our various social groups, there are three or four of us who fairly regularly 
> hear someone admit that their photos don't turn out as well as ours.  
> There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you.  
> While cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a 
> good grasp of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is reasonably 
> well exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know your aperture 
> from a hole in the ground, chances  are you won't take many good photos.  
> Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general 
> direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but 
> quite frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything but 
> favorable light.
> What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need good 
> (read expensive) cameras and lenses.  This is true to a point.  A good 
> photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working 
> camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply need 
> the right tool for the job.  If you want pictures of people dancing in a room 
> that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a pretty good 
> camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use them, 
> you're going to need a decent computer for processing those photos.  You can 
> get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're passionate 
> about photography chances are that you've spent well over a thousand dollars 
> on your kit.  Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a few times that 
> on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take and process 
> good photos in challenging light for under two or three thousand dollars.
> So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent the 
> time to learn the basics of photography, and they spent more time practicing, 
> and they spent a fair chunk of money on decent camera and computer gear. I'm 
> not even going to start on the time, expense and effort involved with film 
> and darkroom, I've Been There, Done That, and while it has it's appeal, it is 
> beyond the scope of this discussion, and possibly even sanity in this day and 
> age.
> These are arguably reasons enough to appreciate the people taking those 
> photos of you dancing, riding bikes, playing guitar. racing cars or whatever. 
>  But we've barely even started.
> If we're taking photos at an event, there are things that we're not doing, 
> and most of them are the reasons that we started going to those events at the 
> first place. If it's at a dance, and I'm taking photos, there isn't a pretty 
> girl in my arms moving to the music.  If I'm at a class and taking photos, 
> I'm missing a lot of what the teacher is saying, because while the teacher is 
> talking, I'm also looking at the light, thinking about when something 
> interesting is going to happen, taking care not to disturb class myself and 
> very little of my brain is left over to absorb what is being taught.
> I'm not saying that taking photos isn't fun.  It is a lot of fun, or we 
> wouldn't be doing it on our own time, and giving away the photos for free.  
> There are

Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Bruce Walker]

tl;dr

It's missing an intro. There's no clear reason why it would be
fruitful to climb that mountain of text. I got three paras in and gave
up.

Simply leaving a blank line between para's would also help, a bit.

Tell 'em what your're going to say.
Say it.
Summarize what you said.


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Bob W  wrote:
> Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text 
> - why should anyone want to read it?
>
> Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences.
>
> B
>
>> On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>
>> This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while.  I didn't
>> have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing.  And it
>> was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as "there are people out there
>> doing a lot more work than you realize", and not come across as "I do
>> all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?".  I hope
>> I succeeded.
>>
>> If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have 
>> nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not because 
>> of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not legendary, but it 
>> is no secret. The reason that most people connect with me on social 
>> networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets decent photos at 
>> those events where the cell phone photos always look like crap.  In just 
>> about any social group there are a few of us, generally three or four, that 
>> you see at the various events, taking photos.
>> Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past 
>> year or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them 
>> all the time.  You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera.  
>> Meanwhile, the performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the 
>> exponential rate that Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago.  So, not 
>> only can just about anyone take a photo at any time, but there's a decent 
>> chance that photo will look OK, or at least the objects in it will probably 
>> be recognizable.  But in our various social groups, there are three or four 
>> of us who fairly regularly hear someone admit that their photos don't turn 
>> out as well as ours.
>> There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you.  
>> While cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a 
>> good grasp of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is 
>> reasonably well exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know 
>> your aperture from a hole in the ground, chances  are you won't take many 
>> good photos.
>> Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general 
>> direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but 
>> quite frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything 
>> but favorable light.
>> What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need 
>> good (read expensive) cameras and lenses.  This is true to a point.  A good 
>> photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working 
>> camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply need 
>> the right tool for the job.  If you want pictures of people dancing in a 
>> room that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a pretty 
>> good camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use them, 
>> you're going to need a decent computer for processing those photos.  You can 
>> get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're passionate 
>> about photography chances are that you've spent well over a thousand dollars 
>> on your kit.  Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a few times that 
>> on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take and process 
>> good photos in challenging light for under two or three thousand dollars.
>> So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent 
>> the time to learn the basics of photography, and they spent more time 
>> practicing, and they spent a fair chunk of money on decent camera and 
>> computer gear. I'm not even going to start on the time, expense and effort 
>> involved with film and darkroom, I've Been There, Done That, and while it 
>> has it's appeal, it is beyond the scope of this discussion, and possibly 
>> even sanity in this day and age.
>> These are arguably reasons enough to appreciate the people taking those 
>> photos of you dancing, riding bikes, playing guitar. racing cars or 
>> whatever.  But we've barely even started.
>> If we're taking photos at an event, there are things that we're not doing, 
>> and most of them are the reasons that we started going to those events at 
>> the first place. If it's at a dance, and I'm taking photos, there isn't a 
>> pretty girl in my arms moving to the music.  If I'm at a class and taking 
>> photos, I'm 

Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Boris Liberman]

Bruce, I believe Larry copied-and-pasted a post from his Facebook.
Therein I suppose lies the rest of the context. I should be able to
read his message properly when I am on my way home in the train today.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> tl;dr
>
> It's missing an intro. There's no clear reason why it would be
> fruitful to climb that mountain of text. I got three paras in and gave
> up.
>
> Simply leaving a blank line between para's would also help, a bit.
>
> Tell 'em what your're going to say.
> Say it.
> Summarize what you said.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>> Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of 
>> text - why should anyone want to read it?
>>
>> Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences.
>>
>> B
>>
>>> On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>
>>> This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while.  I didn't
>>> have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing.  And it
>>> was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as "there are people out there
>>> doing a lot more work than you realize", and not come across as "I do
>>> all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?".  I hope
>>> I succeeded.
>>>
>>> If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have 
>>> nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not 
>>> because of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not 
>>> legendary, but it is no secret. The reason that most people connect with me 
>>> on social networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets 
>>> decent photos at those events where the cell phone photos always look like 
>>> crap.  In just about any social group there are a few of us, generally 
>>> three or four, that you see at the various events, taking photos.
>>> Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past 
>>> year or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them 
>>> all the time.  You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera.  
>>> Meanwhile, the performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the 
>>> exponential rate that Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago.  So, not 
>>> only can just about anyone take a photo at any time, but there's a decent 
>>> chance that photo will look OK, or at least the objects in it will probably 
>>> be recognizable.  But in our various social groups, there are three or four 
>>> of us who fairly regularly hear someone admit that their photos don't turn 
>>> out as well as ours.
>>> There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you.  
>>> While cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a 
>>> good grasp of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is 
>>> reasonably well exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know 
>>> your aperture from a hole in the ground, chances  are you won't take many 
>>> good photos.
>>> Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general 
>>> direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but 
>>> quite frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything 
>>> but favorable light.
>>> What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need 
>>> good (read expensive) cameras and lenses.  This is true to a point.  A good 
>>> photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working 
>>> camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply 
>>> need the right tool for the job.  If you want pictures of people dancing in 
>>> a room that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a 
>>> pretty good camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to 
>>> use them, you're going to need a decent computer for processing those 
>>> photos.  You can get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if 
>>> you're passionate about photography chances are that you've spent well over 
>>> a thousand dollars on your kit.  Actually, chances are that you've spent 
>>> quite a few times that on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be 
>>> able to take and process good photos in challenging light for under two or 
>>> three thousand dollars.
>>> So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent 
>>> the time to learn the basics of photography, and they spent more time 
>>> practicing, and they spent a fair chunk of money on decent camera and 
>>> computer gear. I'm not even going to start on the time, expense and effort 
>>> involved with film and darkroom, I've Been There, Done That, and while it 
>>> has it's appeal, it is beyond the scope of this discussion, and possibly 
>>> even sanity in this day and age.
>>> These are arguably reasons enough to appreciate the people taking those 
>>> photos of you dancing, riding bikes, playing guitar. racing cars or 
>>> whatever.  But

Re: The kind of HDR I hate

[Darren Addy]

Contrived and unnatural, but in a Thomas Kinkade kind of style. Which,
perhaps, explains the "commercial" appeal.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:42 AM,   wrote:
> Well, since you hate it, what are we supposed to  say?
>
> Huh, not my kind of thing either. Hey, look, you even have star  lights!
> Whee!
>
> Heh. Marnie aka Doe ;-)  Nice composition? Can say  that.
>
> In a message dated 10/6/2013 10:26:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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> ...but it sells, so I need to be able to  teach it to my students.
> Hence this  experiment.
>
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dd06804-hdr.htm
>
> Pseudo-HDR  treatment (it's tone mapped from a single exposure). Lots
> of tweaking with  masks, selective noise reduction and other tricks to
> make look more like an  illustration than a photograph.
>
> Notes:
>
> 1/2-second exposure  obtained without a tripod by bracing camera
> against lamp post.
>
> I love  the sneakers hanging over the phone lines in the upper
> left-hand  corner.
>
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Re: PESO: Great Blue Heron

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Bruce. It's nice when one of these guys takes off in a direction that 
works for me. Usually they duck right in behin dtrees.
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On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Bruce  wrote:

> I especially like the bird in flight shot.Nice job! 
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>> In the Rouge River this morning:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17549556&size=lg
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K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

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http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs

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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Boris Liberman]

Looks totally cool.

 Two K-5's that we have in our household still boast more pixels than
one K-3 (not being serious here).

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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Boris Liberman]

Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...

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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Yolanda Rowe]

Wheee! I now believe that there is a K-3. Now where is that dang money tree?

Yonnie

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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Peter Loveday]

Synchronization speed: 1/180 sec


oh FFS :-/  Still?!

Otherwise... looks awesome.


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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Boris Liberman :


Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...



There is, actually:

http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights

in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS"



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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Zos Xavius]

No focus peaking?

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> Quoting Boris Liberman :
>
>> Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...
>
>
>
> There is, actually:
>
> http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights
>
> in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS"
>
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Re: PESO: Black Eagle Palace by Night

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Attila Boros :


One part of a nice building in downtown was recently restored. I took
a quick shot on my way home with a compact (not Pentax).

http://500px.com/photo/48314718



Spectacular lighting. For a quick shot, you've done well.


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Re: PESO: A bit of excitement

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Alan C :

About an hour ago a fire flared up in the unkempt park alongside our  
house. Fortunately the municipality had cut the grass last week for  
the first time in over two years but they had not yet finished  
cleaning up. It took the fire brigade twenty minutes to arrive by  
which time the fire had almost burnt itself out. Only this small  
fire tender was available because there was another large fire on  
the other side of town.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/10118290574/lightbox




That sort of excitement I can do without. Like you, we're coming into  
our fire season, which got off to an unwelcome early start a couple of  
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Re: The kind of HDR I hate

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Mark Roberts :


...but it sells, so I need to be able to teach it to my students.
Hence this experiment.

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dd06804-hdr.htm




It's not my thing either - but I've seen lots of others that I hate more...


Cheers

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Pseudo-HDR treatment (it's tone mapped from a single exposure). Lots
of tweaking with masks, selective noise reduction and other tricks to
make look more like an illustration than a photograph.

Notes:

1/2-second exposure obtained without a tripod by bracing camera
against lamp post.

I love the sneakers hanging over the phone lines in the upper
left-hand corner.

"Gelateria Yogurteria Venexia" (in the center of the photo) makes the
most amazing triple-chocolate gelato in Italy.

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Re: The kind of HDR I hate

[Ann Sanfedele]

Yikes!
Mark,
I hope you also tell your students that (a) you hate it too
and (b) it is a good example of what good photographers (like you) 
don't do and don't need to do.


Please show image before you mangled it

ann



On 10/7/2013 08:08, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Mark Roberts :


...but it sells, so I need to be able to teach it to my students.
Hence this experiment.

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dd06804-hdr.htm




It's not my thing either - but I've seen lots of others that I hate more...


Cheers

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Pseudo-HDR treatment (it's tone mapped from a single exposure). Lots
of tweaking with masks, selective noise reduction and other tricks to
make look more like an illustration than a photograph.

Notes:

1/2-second exposure obtained without a tripod by bracing camera
against lamp post.

I love the sneakers hanging over the phone lines in the upper
left-hand corner.

"Gelateria Yogurteria Venexia" (in the center of the photo) makes the
most amazing triple-chocolate gelato in Italy.

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Re: GESO - Autumn Impressions

[Ann Sanfedele]

Well Daddy Long Legs (grew up calling them that, too) , Late Bloomer and 
Leaves on grass are my faves. Good stuff, Mark


ann

On 10/6/2013 02:58, Mark C wrote:

www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/autumn-impressions

K-01, D-FA 100mm f2.8

C&C always appreciated...

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Re: PESO: Fun Run

[Ann Sanfedele]

What Marnie said
ann

On 10/6/2013 09:53, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

They do don't they? Everyone else looks like  they are grimacing or
something. Fun. Nice grab.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

In a message dated 10/4/2013 12:38:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes:
Grace and her friend, Jasmine, lead the pack  at their school's annual fun
run. They seem to be the only ones who think it's  fun:
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> No focus peaking?

I would like that too!

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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Boris Liberman]

Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> Quoting Boris Liberman :
>
>> Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...
>
>
>
> There is, actually:
>
> http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights
>
> in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS"
>
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Re: PESO: Black Eagle Palace by Night

[Attila Boros]

Thanks Brian.


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:

> Spectacular lighting. For a quick shot, you've done well.

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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[George Sinos]

The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds
interesting from a technical standpoint.  I hope that is something
that can be disabled.  gs
George Sinos

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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian.
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters  
> wrote:
>> Quoting Boris Liberman :
>>
>>> Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...
>>
>>
>>
>> There is, actually:
>>
>> http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights
>>
>> in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS"
>>
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Darren Addy]

I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in
different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is
very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF
that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it
won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each
preset white balance).

Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with "microscopic sensor
vibrations", so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how
it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is
implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF
and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you
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> that can be disabled.  gs
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> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters  
>> wrote:
>>> Quoting Boris Liberman :
>>>
 Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is, actually:
>>>
>>> http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights
>>>
>>> in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS"
>>>
>>>
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[CollinB]

What strikes me most is USB3.  That's fast transfer.
Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ...


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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[George Sinos]

Hi Darren

This is from the "highlights" page of the K-3 page.

"Multi-pattern white balance

When shooting scenes that include multiple light sources, such as
sunlight and shade or flash, light sources are recognized
automatically and the image is separated into different areas. White
balance is adjusted separately in each area according to the different
light sources to achieve optimal color reproduction."

Sounds like it makes more than correction in different parts of the same image.

I agree, like most other adjustments, it probably only applies to
jpgs.  But, it sounds like something I would want to turn off or on as
a creative tool.  I'm thinking of twilight or night shots where you
may have several types of light in the same image.

gs

George Sinos

www.GeorgesPhotos.net
www.GeorgeSinos.com


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in
> different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is
> very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF
> that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it
> won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each
> preset white balance).
>
> Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with "microscopic sensor
> vibrations", so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how
> it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is
> implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF
> and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you
> are shooting a lot of wedding dresses or something).
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
>> The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds
>> interesting from a technical standpoint.  I hope that is something
>> that can be disabled.  gs
>> George Sinos
>> 
>> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
>> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters  
>>> wrote:
 Quoting Boris Liberman :

> Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...



 There is, actually:

 http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights

 in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS"



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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[George Sinos]

that should say "more than one correction".  gs
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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
> Hi Darren
>
> This is from the "highlights" page of the K-3 page.
>
> "Multi-pattern white balance
>
> When shooting scenes that include multiple light sources, such as
> sunlight and shade or flash, light sources are recognized
> automatically and the image is separated into different areas. White
> balance is adjusted separately in each area according to the different
> light sources to achieve optimal color reproduction."
>
> Sounds like it makes more than correction in different parts of the same 
> image.
>
> I agree, like most other adjustments, it probably only applies to
> jpgs.  But, it sounds like something I would want to turn off or on as
> a creative tool.  I'm thinking of twilight or night shots where you
> may have several types of light in the same image.
>
> gs
>
> George Sinos
> 
> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in
>> different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is
>> very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF
>> that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it
>> won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each
>> preset white balance).
>>
>> Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with "microscopic sensor
>> vibrations", so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how
>> it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is
>> implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF
>> and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you
>> are shooting a lot of wedding dresses or something).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
>>> The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds
>>> interesting from a technical standpoint.  I hope that is something
>>> that can be disabled.  gs
>>> George Sinos
>>> 
>>> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
>>> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
 Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian.

 On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters  
 wrote:
> Quoting Boris Liberman :
>
>> Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...
>
>
>
> There is, actually:
>
> http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights
>
> in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS"
>
>
>
> --
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>
> Brian
>
> ++
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Darren Addy]

Thanks for the clarification, George. I agree with you; I would
probably also want the ability to turn that off but it will be
interesting to see what sort of images it produces.
It is amazing to me what is possible with the in-camera horsepower of
the PRIME III.

I will be very interested to see what the dynamic range, etc. is for
this sensor/camera. If it is anywhere close to the K-5/II/IIs it is
probably going to be the *best* APS-C DSLR on the market (at least for
a week or two).
: )

It is worth remembering that other camera manufacturers also use the
Fujitsu Milbeaut image processor and so will be seeing a corresponding
jump in *their* capabilities sooner, rather than later.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:06 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
> that should say "more than one correction".  gs
> George Sinos
> 
> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
>> Hi Darren
>>
>> This is from the "highlights" page of the K-3 page.
>>
>> "Multi-pattern white balance
>>
>> When shooting scenes that include multiple light sources, such as
>> sunlight and shade or flash, light sources are recognized
>> automatically and the image is separated into different areas. White
>> balance is adjusted separately in each area according to the different
>> light sources to achieve optimal color reproduction."
>>
>> Sounds like it makes more than correction in different parts of the same 
>> image.
>>
>> I agree, like most other adjustments, it probably only applies to
>> jpgs.  But, it sounds like something I would want to turn off or on as
>> a creative tool.  I'm thinking of twilight or night shots where you
>> may have several types of light in the same image.
>>
>> gs
>>
>> George Sinos
>> 
>> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
>> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>> I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in
>>> different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is
>>> very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF
>>> that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it
>>> won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each
>>> preset white balance).
>>>
>>> Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with "microscopic sensor
>>> vibrations", so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how
>>> it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is
>>> implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF
>>> and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you
>>> are shooting a lot of wedding dresses or something).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
 The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds
 interesting from a technical standpoint.  I hope that is something
 that can be disabled.  gs
 George Sinos
 
 www.GeorgesPhotos.net
 www.GeorgeSinos.com


 On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian.
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters  
> wrote:
>> Quoting Boris Liberman :
>>
>>> Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...
>>
>>
>>
>> There is, actually:
>>
>> http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights
>>
>> in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS"
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ++
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>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Darren Addy]

AND now the page is a 404 error.
: )



On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Thanks for the clarification, George. I agree with you; I would
> probably also want the ability to turn that off but it will be
> interesting to see what sort of images it produces.
> It is amazing to me what is possible with the in-camera horsepower of
> the PRIME III.
>
> I will be very interested to see what the dynamic range, etc. is for
> this sensor/camera. If it is anywhere close to the K-5/II/IIs it is
> probably going to be the *best* APS-C DSLR on the market (at least for
> a week or two).
> : )
>
> It is worth remembering that other camera manufacturers also use the
> Fujitsu Milbeaut image processor and so will be seeing a corresponding
> jump in *their* capabilities sooner, rather than later.
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:06 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
>> that should say "more than one correction".  gs
>> George Sinos
>> 
>> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
>> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
>>> Hi Darren
>>>
>>> This is from the "highlights" page of the K-3 page.
>>>
>>> "Multi-pattern white balance
>>>
>>> When shooting scenes that include multiple light sources, such as
>>> sunlight and shade or flash, light sources are recognized
>>> automatically and the image is separated into different areas. White
>>> balance is adjusted separately in each area according to the different
>>> light sources to achieve optimal color reproduction."
>>>
>>> Sounds like it makes more than correction in different parts of the same 
>>> image.
>>>
>>> I agree, like most other adjustments, it probably only applies to
>>> jpgs.  But, it sounds like something I would want to turn off or on as
>>> a creative tool.  I'm thinking of twilight or night shots where you
>>> may have several types of light in the same image.
>>>
>>> gs
>>>
>>> George Sinos
>>> 
>>> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
>>> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
 I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in
 different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is
 very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF
 that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it
 won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each
 preset white balance).

 Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with "microscopic sensor
 vibrations", so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how
 it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is
 implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF
 and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you
 are shooting a lot of wedding dresses or something).



 On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
> The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds
> interesting from a technical standpoint.  I hope that is something
> that can be disabled.  gs
> George Sinos
> 
> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters  
>> wrote:
>>> Quoting Boris Liberman :
>>>
 Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is, actually:
>>>
>>> http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights
>>>
>>> in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> ++
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>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>>
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[P.J. Alling]

Seems that someone at Ricoh revealed that a bit prematurely.

Page removed in something less than 2 hours.  So did anyone save a 
screen shot?




On 10/7/2013 7:06 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs




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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu]

Tomorrow it should be back.


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> AND now the page is a 404 error.
> : )

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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Darren Addy]

I saved the whole page on my home computer before leaving for work,
but I'm at work now.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:26 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> Seems that someone at Ricoh revealed that a bit prematurely.
>
> Page removed in something less than 2 hours.  So did anyone save a screen
> shot?
>
>
>
> On 10/7/2013 7:06 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs
>>
>
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[P.J. Alling]

24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more.

On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote:

What strikes me most is USB3.  That's fast transfer.
Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ...





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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Darren Addy]

Not mentioned in the specs, but a big question by many ANSWERED:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29329237@N07/10137365063/

Yee-HAW!

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more.
>
>
> On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote:
>>
>> What strikes me most is USB3.  That's fast transfer.
>> Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ...
>>
>>
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Zos Xavius]

=) YEEE HAW!

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Not mentioned in the specs, but a big question by many ANSWERED:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/29329237@N07/10137365063/
>
> Yee-HAW!
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, P.J. Alling  
> wrote:
>> 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more.
>>
>>
>> On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote:
>>>
>>> What strikes me most is USB3.  That's fast transfer.
>>> Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ...
>>>
>>>
>>
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PESO - Signs of the Season

[George Sinos]

Last week I ran an errand at the local shopping center.  These guys
were busy putting up the Christmas Tree.  I guess I'd better get busy.
 I never put up the tree until after Thanksgiving.  Silly me, I take
my holidays one at a time.



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Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Eactivist]

Actually, Bob, you'd be surprised how many  people on FB WILL read it. For 
one thing, it will be formatted, not a plain text  dump as it is here.

People do occasionally post longer posts on Facebook.  But it is totally a 
if-they-are-in-the-mood thing, whether one's "friends" will  read it or not.

Read the whole thing, Larry, and I do think you are  trying to communicate 
too many different ideas in one post. I mean, Rockwell  country is already 
taken. ;-)

But you make it sound like camera companies  are out to deliberately 
exploit people. Or exploit them into thinking everyone  can take good photos. I 
would disagree with that. Anyone who buys a DSLR will  find out they need to 
know more, if they don't already know about f-stops and  the like.

NOW cell phone companies MAY want to imply to everyone that  they can take 
good shots with no experience, practice, and knowledge. I don't  know.

One of my FB friends, non-PDML-type, has taken fantastic photos  with his 
cell phone and is currently putting together a blurb book of them. He  raised 
funds on Kickstarter and got a lot of donations. But I don't know his  
photographic background, he may have been taking photos for  years.

Marnie

In a message dated 10/7/2013 1:06:44 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
p...@web-options.com writes:
Nobody's going to read that,  whatever it's about. Several long blocks of 
text - why should anyone want to  read it? 

Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short  sentences.

B

> On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen   wrote:
> 
> This is somethingt that has been  brewing in my mind for a while.  I 
didn't 
> have time to do more  than just spew it out, without editing.  And it
> was a real  challlenge trying to phrase it as "there are people out there
> doing a  lot more work than you realize", and not come across as "I do
> all this  stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?".  I hope 
> I  succeeded.  
> 
> If you are reading this, chances are that  I've taken photos of you. I 
have nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm  pretty sure it's not 
because of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness  is not legendary, 
but it is no secret. The reason that most people connect with  me on social 
networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets decent  photos at 
those events where the cell phone photos always look like crap.   In just 
about any social group there are a few of us, generally three or four,  that 
you see at the various events, taking photos.
> Something like half  of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the 
past year or two. To a first  approximation, everybody now has a camera with 
them all the time.  You  might call it a phone, but it's also a camera.  
Meanwhile, the performance  of dedicated cameras have improved at the 
exponential 
rate that Gordon Moore  noticed several decades ago.  So, not only can just 
about anyone take a  photo at any time, but there's a decent chance that 
photo will look OK, or at  least the objects in it will probably be 
recognizable.  But in our various  social groups, there are three or four of us 
who 
fairly regularly hear someone  admit that their photos don't turn out as well 
as ours.  
> There's a  dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you.  
While  cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a 
good grasp  of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is 
reasonably well exposed,  and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know 
your 
aperture from a hole in  the ground, chances  are you won't take many good 
photos.  
>  Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general 
direction  of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but 
quite frankly,  most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything but 
favorable  light.
> What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos,  you need 
good (read expensive) cameras and lenses.  This is true to a  point.  A 
good photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just  about any 
working camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when  you 
simply 
need the right tool for the job.  If you want pictures of people  dancing in 
a room that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need  a 
pretty good camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use  
them, you're going to need a decent computer for processing those photos.   
You can get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're  
passionate about photography chances are that you've spent well over a 
thousand  dollars on your kit.  Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a 
few  times that on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take 
and  process good photos in challenging light for under two or three 
thousand  dollars.
> So, those people getting better photos than you did so because  they 
spent the time to learn the basics

Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Bruce Walker]

I see that 14-bit RAW is a choice for video recording. That's
something that folks have been hacking the firmware of Canons to get.
Nice!


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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Eactivist]

I am actually starting to consider Pentax  again.

OTOH, probably be ages before is actually buyable. Unless Ricoh  has 
changed all that.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

In a message dated  10/7/2013 6:52:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
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I see that 14-bit RAW is a choice for video recording.  That's
something that folks have been hacking the firmware of Canons to  get.
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[P.J. Alling]

Interesting, almost all of the images that show the back of the camera 
have Ricoh under the viewing screen where this one is labeled Pentax.  
Not that that changes the functionality of the camera.


On 10/7/2013 9:35 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Not mentioned in the specs, but a big question by many ANSWERED:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29329237@N07/10137365063/

Yee-HAW!

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more.


On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote:

What strikes me most is USB3.  That's fast transfer.
Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ...




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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Darren Addy]

Reportedly, "PENTAX" below the LCD on pre-production units and "RICOH"
on production units. I think it is a sign of how proud Ricoh is of
this camera.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:02 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> Interesting, almost all of the images that show the back of the camera have
> Ricoh under the viewing screen where this one is labeled Pentax.  Not that
> that changes the functionality of the camera.
>
>
> On 10/7/2013 9:35 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> Not mentioned in the specs, but a big question by many ANSWERED:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/29329237@N07/10137365063/
>>
>> Yee-HAW!
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, P.J. Alling 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote:

 What strikes me most is USB3.  That's fast transfer.
 Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ...


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[Jack Davis]

Thought I saw "8 bit?"

Jack

 

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24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more.

On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote:
> What strikes me most is USB3.  That's fast transfer.
> Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ...
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Darren Addy]

"Native support for both PENTAX PEF and Adobe DNG 14 bit RAW files,
including the ability to retrieve RAW data from JPG files if still
present in buffer memory."

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Thought I saw "8 bit?"
>
> Jack
>
>
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>
> 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more.
>
> On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote:
>> What strikes me most is USB3.  That's fast transfer.
>> Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ...
>>
>>
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Darren Addy]

re: dual slots
"Dual SD card slots allow for greater memory card flexibility, for
separation of JPG and RAW files, and for use with Eye-fi card and new
FLU card technology."

I wonder if how you use the slots is configurable?

Also regarding the FLUCARD, I found the wording interesting:

"With installation of the optional, dedicated 16 GB FLU CARD for
PENTAX in the K-3, the photographer can remotely change settings such
as aperture, shutter speed and ISO, shift the AF focus point, release
the camera shutter, check Liveview image, and browse and download
images to mobile devices and PC. Eye-fi Wireless and standard SDX
Memory cards also compatible."

Note the use of the phrase "dedicated 16 GB FLU CARD for PENTAX". It
appears that Pentax and whoever makes FLUCARD have cooperated together
to make a Pentax-SPECIFIC Flucard. (They may do, or be doing, the same
with other manufacturers, but that makes me more hopeful of the
features really working.)

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> "Native support for both PENTAX PEF and Adobe DNG 14 bit RAW files,
> including the ability to retrieve RAW data from JPG files if still
> present in buffer memory."
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> Thought I saw "8 bit?"
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
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>> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 6:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
>>
>> 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more.
>>
>> On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote:
>>> What strikes me most is USB3.  That's fast transfer.
>>> Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ...
>>>
>>>
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[P.J. Alling]

Tethered operation through WiFi. That should make some people happy.

On 10/7/2013 10:19 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

re: dual slots
"Dual SD card slots allow for greater memory card flexibility, for
separation of JPG and RAW files, and for use with Eye-fi card and new
FLU card technology."

I wonder if how you use the slots is configurable?

Also regarding the FLUCARD, I found the wording interesting:

"With installation of the optional, dedicated 16 GB FLU CARD for
PENTAX in the K-3, the photographer can remotely change settings such
as aperture, shutter speed and ISO, shift the AF focus point, release
the camera shutter, check Liveview image, and browse and download
images to mobile devices and PC. Eye-fi Wireless and standard SDX
Memory cards also compatible."

Note the use of the phrase "dedicated 16 GB FLU CARD for PENTAX". It
appears that Pentax and whoever makes FLUCARD have cooperated together
to make a Pentax-SPECIFIC Flucard. (They may do, or be doing, the same
with other manufacturers, but that makes me more hopeful of the
features really working.)

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:

"Native support for both PENTAX PEF and Adobe DNG 14 bit RAW files,
including the ability to retrieve RAW data from JPG files if still
present in buffer memory."

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:

Thought I saw "8 bit?"

Jack



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24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more.

On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote:

What strikes me most is USB3.  That's fast transfer.
Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ...




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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Bruce Walker]

Pssst:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights

In case anyone missed it.


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> AND now the page is a 404 error.
> : )
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> Thanks for the clarification, George. I agree with you; I would
>> probably also want the ability to turn that off but it will be
>> interesting to see what sort of images it produces.
>> It is amazing to me what is possible with the in-camera horsepower of
>> the PRIME III.
>>
>> I will be very interested to see what the dynamic range, etc. is for
>> this sensor/camera. If it is anywhere close to the K-5/II/IIs it is
>> probably going to be the *best* APS-C DSLR on the market (at least for
>> a week or two).
>> : )
>>
>> It is worth remembering that other camera manufacturers also use the
>> Fujitsu Milbeaut image processor and so will be seeing a corresponding
>> jump in *their* capabilities sooner, rather than later.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:06 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
>>> that should say "more than one correction".  gs
>>> George Sinos
>>> 
>>> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
>>> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
 Hi Darren

 This is from the "highlights" page of the K-3 page.

 "Multi-pattern white balance

 When shooting scenes that include multiple light sources, such as
 sunlight and shade or flash, light sources are recognized
 automatically and the image is separated into different areas. White
 balance is adjusted separately in each area according to the different
 light sources to achieve optimal color reproduction."

 Sounds like it makes more than correction in different parts of the same 
 image.

 I agree, like most other adjustments, it probably only applies to
 jpgs.  But, it sounds like something I would want to turn off or on as
 a creative tool.  I'm thinking of twilight or night shots where you
 may have several types of light in the same image.

 gs

 George Sinos
 
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 On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in
> different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is
> very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF
> that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it
> won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each
> preset white balance).
>
> Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with "microscopic sensor
> vibrations", so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how
> it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is
> implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF
> and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you
> are shooting a lot of wedding dresses or something).
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
>> The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds
>> interesting from a technical standpoint.  I hope that is something
>> that can be disabled.  gs
>> George Sinos
>> 
>> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
>> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters 
>>>  wrote:
 Quoting Boris Liberman :

> Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...



 There is, actually:

 http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights

 in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS"



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[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Looks interesting. Hopefully it will be all that everyone has been hoping for 
... other than full frame, of course. I guess Cotty gets to wear his hat 
another year...  ;-)

G


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> Pssst:
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights
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[Darren Addy]

Ooooh. Under "Drive Modes":  Mirror up (standard, remote)

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> Looks interesting. Hopefully it will be all that everyone has been hoping for 
> ... other than full frame, of course. I guess Cotty gets to wear his hat 
> another year...  ;-)
>
> G
>
>
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>> Pssst:
>>
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Paul Stenquist]

That pleases me greatly. A huge advantage in the studio and even in the field 
using a hotspot for my laptop.

Really excited about this camera. It fits my needs perfectly, at least on 
paper. However, I may want to let the pioneers take some arrows before I buy. 

Paul
On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:31 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

> Tethered operation through WiFi. That should make some people happy.
> 
> On 10/7/2013 10:19 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>> re: dual slots
>> "Dual SD card slots allow for greater memory card flexibility, for
>> separation of JPG and RAW files, and for use with Eye-fi card and new
>> FLU card technology."
>> 
>> I wonder if how you use the slots is configurable?
>> 
>> Also regarding the FLUCARD, I found the wording interesting:
>> 
>> "With installation of the optional, dedicated 16 GB FLU CARD for
>> PENTAX in the K-3, the photographer can remotely change settings such
>> as aperture, shutter speed and ISO, shift the AF focus point, release
>> the camera shutter, check Liveview image, and browse and download
>> images to mobile devices and PC. Eye-fi Wireless and standard SDX
>> Memory cards also compatible."
>> 
>> Note the use of the phrase "dedicated 16 GB FLU CARD for PENTAX". It
>> appears that Pentax and whoever makes FLUCARD have cooperated together
>> to make a Pentax-SPECIFIC Flucard. (They may do, or be doing, the same
>> with other manufacturers, but that makes me more hopeful of the
>> features really working.)
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>> "Native support for both PENTAX PEF and Adobe DNG 14 bit RAW files,
>>> including the ability to retrieve RAW data from JPG files if still
>>> present in buffer memory."
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
 Thought I saw "8 bit?"
 
 Jack
 
 
 
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 Subject: Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
 
 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more.
 
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> What strikes me most is USB3.  That's fast transfer.
> Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ...
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Eactivist]

Thanks.

That looks rather  impressive.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

In a message dated 10/7/2013  7:44:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
bruce.wal...@gmail.com  writes:
Pssst:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!
product-highlights

In  case anyone missed it.


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Darren Addy   wrote:
> AND now the page is a 404  error.
> : )
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:16  AM, Darren Addy  
wrote:
>> Thanks for the  clarification, George. I agree with you; I would
>> probably also want  the ability to turn that off but it will be
>> interesting to see what  sort of images it produces.
>> It is amazing to me what is possible  with the in-camera horsepower of
>> the PRIME  III.
>>
>> I will be very interested to see what the dynamic  range, etc. is for
>> this sensor/camera. If it is anywhere close to  the K-5/II/IIs it is
>> probably going to be the *best* APS-C DSLR on  the market (at least for
>> a week or two).
>> :  )
>>
>> It is worth remembering that other camera  manufacturers also use the
>> Fujitsu Milbeaut image processor and so  will be seeing a corresponding
>> jump in *their* capabilities sooner,  rather than later.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:06 AM,  George Sinos  wrote:
>>> that should say  "more than one correction".  gs
>>> George  Sinos
>>> 
>>>  www.GeorgesPhotos.net
>>>  www.GeorgeSinos.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct  7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, George Sinos   wrote:
 Hi Darren

  This is from the "highlights" page of the K-3  page.

 "Multi-pattern white  balance

 When shooting scenes that  include multiple light sources, such as
 sunlight and shade  or flash, light sources are recognized
 automatically and the  image is separated into different areas. White
 balance is  adjusted separately in each area according to the different
  light sources to achieve optimal color  reproduction."

 Sounds like it makes more  than correction in different parts of the 
same  image.

 I agree, like most other  adjustments, it probably only applies to
 jpgs.  But, it  sounds like something I would want to turn off or on as
 a  creative tool.  I'm thinking of twilight or night shots where  you
 may have several types of light in the same  image.

  gs

 George Sinos
  
  www.GeorgesPhotos.net
  www.GeorgeSinos.com


  On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Darren Addy   
wrote:
> I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from  the RAW image in
> different white balance configurations  easily, in camera (which is
> very cool). ALL of the  information is always there in the RAW file. 
IF
> that is  correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because  it
> won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different  JPEGs at each
> preset white  balance).
>
> Also, the anti-alias  IS accomplished with "microscopic sensor
> vibrations", so  I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how
> it  can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is
>  implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it  
OFF
> and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire  problem (unless you
> are shooting a lot of wedding  dresses or  something).
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos   
wrote:
>> The multiple white balance corrections in a  single photo sounds
>> interesting from a technical  standpoint.  I hope that is something
>> that can  be disabled.  gs
>> George  Sinos
>>  
>>  www.GeorgesPhotos.net
>>  www.GeorgeSinos.com
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman   
wrote:
>>> Yes, I see it now. Thanks,  Brian.
>>>
>>> On Mon,  Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters 
  wrote:
 Quoting Boris Liberman  :

>  Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME  III...



  There is,  actually:

  http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights

  in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at  8.3FPS"



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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[CollinB]

http://www.cameraegg.org/pentax-k-3-full-images-and-price/

I see not only a mic jack but also a headphone jack.  
That's what sits under the bump!


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Now let's start K1 rumors

[CollinB]

I want 3 SD cards with Raid5 storage.
If one card goes bad just swap it and let it rebuild the image on its own.


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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

If they've done it right, the camera creates its own secure WiFi hotspot. That 
way, compatible devices can hook up to it directly without having to manage 
network configuration. 

Godfrey

> On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:02 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> That pleases me greatly. A huge advantage in the studio and even in the field 
> using a hotspot for my laptop.

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K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[CollinB]

>If they've done it right, the camera creates its own secure WiFi hotspot.
That way, compatible devices can hook up to it directly without having to
manage network configuration. 
>
>Godfrey

If they've done it right the camera acts as a stand-alone computing/network
device and not just a peripheral or disconnected entity.
That's got potential.


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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[George Sinos]

That's what I like about the wi-fi Mobi card. gs
George Sinos

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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> If they've done it right, the camera creates its own secure WiFi hotspot. 
> That way, compatible devices can hook up to it directly without having to 
> manage network configuration.
>
> Godfrey
>
>> On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:02 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>
>> That pleases me greatly. A huge advantage in the studio and even in the 
>> field using a hotspot for my laptop.
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Pretty much what I said. That's how Olympus has implemented wireless control 
for the E-M1. Saw it demonstrated, it's impressive. 

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> On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:19 AM, CollinB  wrote:
> 
> If they've done it right the camera acts as a stand-alone computing/network
> device and not just a peripheral or disconnected entity.

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Re: K-3: And here WERE your OFFICIAL specs...

[Rick Womer]

404 errors on all of the Ricoh K-3 links...
 
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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Quoting Boris Liberman :

> Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...


There is, actually:

http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights

in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS"



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Re: K-3: And here WERE your OFFICIAL specs...

[Bruce Walker]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights

You're welcome. :-)

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 404 errors on all of the Ricoh K-3 links...
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> - Original Message -
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> Subject: Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
>
> Quoting Boris Liberman :
>
>> Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III...
>
>
> There is, actually:
>
> http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights
>
> in the section headed "Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS"
>
>
>
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Bruce Walker]

According to the Flu website that's how it works. All configuration is
done through the card-in-the-camera's web server and through a couple
of camera menus.

I'm not certain how preview tethering is configured, but they
mentioned an FTP client so it can at least push images to an FTP
server. It shouldn't be too hard to push images through to Lightroom
that way.


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> If they've done it right, the camera creates its own secure WiFi hotspot. 
> That way, compatible devices can hook up to it directly without having to 
> manage network configuration.
>
> Godfrey
>
>> On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:02 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>
>> That pleases me greatly. A huge advantage in the studio and even in the 
>> field using a hotspot for my laptop.
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K-3: it's time ...

[Bruce Walker]

Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging begin.

No cup-holders, damn it!

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K-3: it's time ...

[CollinB]

>Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging
begin.
>
>No cup-holders, damn it!
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Wife says the same thing about my E class.


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Re: K-3: it's time ...

[Darren Addy]

The most whining I've seen is that there is no improvement in the
1/180th flash sync speed.

I find this a bit humorous, being an old fart, and wondering how we
ever got along in the 1/60th of a second film camera X-sync days.
There was a manufacturer that attained 1/125th with a vertical focal
plane shutter, if memory serves.

The way the "problem" was addressed in the old days was to use leaf
shutter lenses. In fact, even the film 645 and 67s had a couple of
leaf shutter lens options. To my knowledge there are no Pentax leaf
shutter lenses in the digital age.  If such a solution were available,
the whining would probably switch to how expensive they were.

Other concerns:
Focus Peaking: Has it
Mirror Lock-up: Has it
Kick-ass FPS: Has it
Improved AF: Has it
Improved video: Has it (still has the 25 minute limitation due to heat).

If there is one feature that would have video geeks and
astrophotographers cheering, it would be a way to add sensor cooling.
I saw one innovative astrophotographer who did this to his camera by
running tiny lines from a CO2 tank through the camera body over (or
was it under) the sensor. AH, here it is:
http://www.ledametrix.com/co2/


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> begin.
>
> No cup-holders, damn it!
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Re: K-3: And here WERE your OFFICIAL specs...

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On 10/7/13 12:04 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights

You're welcome. :-)

Thanks for capping that, Bruce. Would love to get my hands on one.

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Re: K-3: it's time ...

[Bruce Walker]

I have sympathy for the "only 1/180th sec flash sync" whine because I
could benefit from faster there too. It would mean being able to use a
flash or two to overcome bright sunlight. The Fuji x100s has a leaf
shutter and ultra fast x-sync, like 1/2000th sec, and apparently it's
astounding shooting with flash outdoors:

http://strobist.blogspot.ca/2013/05/leaf-shutter-nd-flash-fuji-x100s.html

But I just limit myself to early morning or late afternoon through
evening outdoor location shoots and it's no big deal. Or I just find
some shade and shoot midday.

I very happily trade all these other great new things for the
status-quo flash sync.


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> The most whining I've seen is that there is no improvement in the
> 1/180th flash sync speed.
>
> I find this a bit humorous, being an old fart, and wondering how we
> ever got along in the 1/60th of a second film camera X-sync days.
> There was a manufacturer that attained 1/125th with a vertical focal
> plane shutter, if memory serves.
>
> The way the "problem" was addressed in the old days was to use leaf
> shutter lenses. In fact, even the film 645 and 67s had a couple of
> leaf shutter lens options. To my knowledge there are no Pentax leaf
> shutter lenses in the digital age.  If such a solution were available,
> the whining would probably switch to how expensive they were.
>
> Other concerns:
> Focus Peaking: Has it
> Mirror Lock-up: Has it
> Kick-ass FPS: Has it
> Improved AF: Has it
> Improved video: Has it (still has the 25 minute limitation due to heat).
>
> If there is one feature that would have video geeks and
> astrophotographers cheering, it would be a way to add sensor cooling.
> I saw one innovative astrophotographer who did this to his camera by
> running tiny lines from a CO2 tank through the camera body over (or
> was it under) the sensor. AH, here it is:
> http://www.ledametrix.com/co2/
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging 
>> begin.
>>
>> No cup-holders, damn it!
>>
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Re: K-3: it's time ...

[George Sinos]

Bruce - have you ever tried the high-speed sync option with an
external flash? gs
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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> I have sympathy for the "only 1/180th sec flash sync" whine because I
> could benefit from faster there too. It would mean being able to use a
> flash or two to overcome bright sunlight. The Fuji x100s has a leaf
> shutter and ultra fast x-sync, like 1/2000th sec, and apparently it's
> astounding shooting with flash outdoors:
>
> http://strobist.blogspot.ca/2013/05/leaf-shutter-nd-flash-fuji-x100s.html
>
> But I just limit myself to early morning or late afternoon through
> evening outdoor location shoots and it's no big deal. Or I just find
> some shade and shoot midday.
>
> I very happily trade all these other great new things for the
> status-quo flash sync.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> The most whining I've seen is that there is no improvement in the
>> 1/180th flash sync speed.
>>
>> I find this a bit humorous, being an old fart, and wondering how we
>> ever got along in the 1/60th of a second film camera X-sync days.
>> There was a manufacturer that attained 1/125th with a vertical focal
>> plane shutter, if memory serves.
>>
>> The way the "problem" was addressed in the old days was to use leaf
>> shutter lenses. In fact, even the film 645 and 67s had a couple of
>> leaf shutter lens options. To my knowledge there are no Pentax leaf
>> shutter lenses in the digital age.  If such a solution were available,
>> the whining would probably switch to how expensive they were.
>>
>> Other concerns:
>> Focus Peaking: Has it
>> Mirror Lock-up: Has it
>> Kick-ass FPS: Has it
>> Improved AF: Has it
>> Improved video: Has it (still has the 25 minute limitation due to heat).
>>
>> If there is one feature that would have video geeks and
>> astrophotographers cheering, it would be a way to add sensor cooling.
>> I saw one innovative astrophotographer who did this to his camera by
>> running tiny lines from a CO2 tank through the camera body over (or
>> was it under) the sensor. AH, here it is:
>> http://www.ledametrix.com/co2/
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging 
>>> begin.
>>>
>>> No cup-holders, damn it!
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Re: PESO - Signs of the Season

[Attila Boros]

Interesting. Traditionally we don't put up the tree until Christmas
Eve. Maybe they just want to make sure to finish it on time:)

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Re: Thinking about a new camera

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On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> On 5/10/13, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> A question about the X1/20. When I went through Heathrow on my way home
>> I checked out the X20 in the duty free shop. Between us, neither myself,
>> what seemed to be a camera-wise customer, nor a clerk who seemed to know
>> his stuff could figure out how to focus manually. I assume it can be done. 
> 
> Basically you select manual on the front button (MF)

Thanks for the explanation of manual focusing on the x10, Cotty. 

> The one thing I would say this camera (and the X20) are not very good at
> is manual focus. It is fiddly and slow. If you are looking for good
> manual focus control, perhaps look elsewhere.
> 
> That said, the AF is extremely good - and supposed to be even better on
> the X20. I never use manual focus on my X10, and so far haven't needed
> to. Even in extreme macro, the AF locks on and is accurate. I generally
> focus and recompose. So - a half press with subject in the middle of the
> frame, then recompose, then a full press of the shutter. Works well.
> 
> But a camera liker this is obviously limited. We're probably similar in
> that we both grew up with good old manual focus lenses, and actually
> that's what works for us and we enjoy using them. Not to say autofocus
> doesn't have its place, but for me, I have no need right now.

Well, my first camera was a K1000, but I'm still learning to focus. And I want 
to continue. I think I remember someone, I think Godfrey, talking about getting 
good enough that you could get focus to just "snap into place" without a lot of 
back-and-forth "homing in". I don't know if he meant to suggest that was 
possible in action situations. If so it's where I'd like to get.

That said, and while I'm leaning toward a K-5 as my new camera---all of the 
quality I can afford right now, or am ever likely to---the X10/X20, with its 
manual focus limitations s certainly appealing.

> For my own personal photography, I want studious concentration and just
> a few lenses I know and can use to my liking. But I also want it reduced
> in size. I don't want a camera bag full of stuff. I want one camera *in
> my pocket* and one over my shoulder. And that's it!!

My aspiration, too. Simple and as small as possible. While it had it's 
limitations---I would like to have brought some scenes up closer---I really 
liked going with just the A28/2.8 and *istDS on my trip. The last half of my 
walk I literally had the camera in-hand the whole day. I found it to be the 
most convenient and the most comfortable way of carrying the camera.
 
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Re: K-3: it's time ...

[Paul Stenquist]

i use the high-speed sync function with the K-5 and AF 540. It works well at 
close range. I find it most useful when shooting in daylight where the sun 
direction can't be managed. True sync enables a more powerful flash burst I 
believe, but the high speed option on the AF 540 works well. Plus, it can be 
left turned on, as the flash will revert to normal operation when the shutter 
speed drops to 1/180th or less.

Paul
On Oct 7, 2013, at 12:55 PM, George Sinos  wrote:

> Bruce - have you ever tried the high-speed sync option with an
> external flash? gs
> George Sinos
> 
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> www.GeorgeSinos.com
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> I have sympathy for the "only 1/180th sec flash sync" whine because I
>> could benefit from faster there too. It would mean being able to use a
>> flash or two to overcome bright sunlight. The Fuji x100s has a leaf
>> shutter and ultra fast x-sync, like 1/2000th sec, and apparently it's
>> astounding shooting with flash outdoors:
>> 
>> http://strobist.blogspot.ca/2013/05/leaf-shutter-nd-flash-fuji-x100s.html
>> 
>> But I just limit myself to early morning or late afternoon through
>> evening outdoor location shoots and it's no big deal. Or I just find
>> some shade and shoot midday.
>> 
>> I very happily trade all these other great new things for the
>> status-quo flash sync.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>> The most whining I've seen is that there is no improvement in the
>>> 1/180th flash sync speed.
>>> 
>>> I find this a bit humorous, being an old fart, and wondering how we
>>> ever got along in the 1/60th of a second film camera X-sync days.
>>> There was a manufacturer that attained 1/125th with a vertical focal
>>> plane shutter, if memory serves.
>>> 
>>> The way the "problem" was addressed in the old days was to use leaf
>>> shutter lenses. In fact, even the film 645 and 67s had a couple of
>>> leaf shutter lens options. To my knowledge there are no Pentax leaf
>>> shutter lenses in the digital age.  If such a solution were available,
>>> the whining would probably switch to how expensive they were.
>>> 
>>> Other concerns:
>>> Focus Peaking: Has it
>>> Mirror Lock-up: Has it
>>> Kick-ass FPS: Has it
>>> Improved AF: Has it
>>> Improved video: Has it (still has the 25 minute limitation due to heat).
>>> 
>>> If there is one feature that would have video geeks and
>>> astrophotographers cheering, it would be a way to add sensor cooling.
>>> I saw one innovative astrophotographer who did this to his camera by
>>> running tiny lines from a CO2 tank through the camera body over (or
>>> was it under) the sensor. AH, here it is:
>>> http://www.ledametrix.com/co2/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Bruce Walker  
>>> wrote:
 Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging 
 begin.
 
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Re: K-3: it's time ...

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Anyone know what it will be selling for?

Dan Matyola
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Re: K-3: it's time ...

[Bruce Walker]

Absolutely, George, and it works great -- but only with a single
flash, triggered optically or on-camera. But I'm strictly using radio
triggers now and often multiple lights, so HSS is unfortunately just a
novelty act for me now.

Here's a macro shot I took using HSS with off-camera flash, triggered
from the camera. It was taken in full noon-day sun in my front yard. I
don't recall now if it was triggered with the popup or a 2nd AF540 in
the hotshoe. Doesn't matter; both work. I think the key flash was
bare, mounted on a mini-tripod on the ground.

http://flic.kr/p/6i5Msb

K20D, DA 35/2.8 @ f:4, 1/2500th sec, ISO 200.

Actually pretty crappy shot now that I look back on it, but that was
4.5 years ago when I was very wet behind the ears.


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:55 PM, George Sinos  wrote:
> Bruce - have you ever tried the high-speed sync option with an
> external flash? gs
> George Sinos
> 
> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> I have sympathy for the "only 1/180th sec flash sync" whine because I
>> could benefit from faster there too. It would mean being able to use a
>> flash or two to overcome bright sunlight. The Fuji x100s has a leaf
>> shutter and ultra fast x-sync, like 1/2000th sec, and apparently it's
>> astounding shooting with flash outdoors:
>>
>> http://strobist.blogspot.ca/2013/05/leaf-shutter-nd-flash-fuji-x100s.html
>>
>> But I just limit myself to early morning or late afternoon through
>> evening outdoor location shoots and it's no big deal. Or I just find
>> some shade and shoot midday.
>>
>> I very happily trade all these other great new things for the
>> status-quo flash sync.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>> The most whining I've seen is that there is no improvement in the
>>> 1/180th flash sync speed.
>>>
>>> I find this a bit humorous, being an old fart, and wondering how we
>>> ever got along in the 1/60th of a second film camera X-sync days.
>>> There was a manufacturer that attained 1/125th with a vertical focal
>>> plane shutter, if memory serves.
>>>
>>> The way the "problem" was addressed in the old days was to use leaf
>>> shutter lenses. In fact, even the film 645 and 67s had a couple of
>>> leaf shutter lens options. To my knowledge there are no Pentax leaf
>>> shutter lenses in the digital age.  If such a solution were available,
>>> the whining would probably switch to how expensive they were.
>>>
>>> Other concerns:
>>> Focus Peaking: Has it
>>> Mirror Lock-up: Has it
>>> Kick-ass FPS: Has it
>>> Improved AF: Has it
>>> Improved video: Has it (still has the 25 minute limitation due to heat).
>>>
>>> If there is one feature that would have video geeks and
>>> astrophotographers cheering, it would be a way to add sensor cooling.
>>> I saw one innovative astrophotographer who did this to his camera by
>>> running tiny lines from a CO2 tank through the camera body over (or
>>> was it under) the sensor. AH, here it is:
>>> http://www.ledametrix.com/co2/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Bruce Walker  
>>> wrote:
 Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging 
 begin.

 No cup-holders, damn it!

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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/10/13, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Looks interesting. Hopefully it will be all that everyone has been
>hoping for ... other than full frame, of course. I guess Cotty gets to
>wear his hat another year...  ;-)

Well, I guess when the FF K-1 is released in 2015, it'll probably be
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Re: K-3: it's time ...

[Jack Davis]

I saw an "about" of $1,300.
 
Jack


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Anyone know what it will be selling for?

Dan Matyola
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Re: PESO - Signs of the Season

[Jack Davis]

..or they are planning a "long winters nap."


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Subject: Re: PESO - Signs of the Season

Interesting. Traditionally we don't put up the tree until Christmas
Eve. Maybe they just want to make sure to finish it on time:)

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Re: K-3: it's time ...

[Paul Stenquist]

That would be outstanding.

On Oct 7, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

> I saw an "about" of $1,300.
>  
> Jack
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
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> 
> Anyone know what it will be selling for?
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
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>> begin.
>> 
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Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Bob W]

The inverted pyramid is the writer's friend as far as this sort of thing is 
concerned.



> On 7 Oct 2013, at 10:25, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> tl;dr
> 
> It's missing an intro. There's no clear reason why it would be
> fruitful to climb that mountain of text. I got three paras in and gave
> up.
> 
> Simply leaving a blank line between para's would also help, a bit.
> 
> Tell 'em what your're going to say.
> Say it.
> Summarize what you said.

Or indeed:

Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em
Tell 'em
Tell 'em what you just told 'em

(Which is not the same as the inverted pyramid)

> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>> Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of 
>> text - why should anyone want to read it?
>> 
>> Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>> On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen  wrote:

Stuff
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Re: PESO - Signs of the Season

[Bob W]

They should be burned at the stake. We haven't even had Diwali yet.

> On 7 Oct 2013, at 14:45, George Sinos  wrote:
> 
> Last week I ran an errand at the local shopping center.  These guys
> were busy putting up the Christmas Tree.  I guess I'd better get busy.
> I never put up the tree until after Thanksgiving.  Silly me, I take
> my holidays one at a time.
> 
> 
> 
> gs
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Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Bruce Walker]

Bob, here's a counter technique that would've worked, if used:

"So when you start with that agenda slide (tell ‘em what you’re going
to say) their attentions immediately wander, they pick up their
phones, and you’ve lost ‘em.

Instead, launch right in with a framing story or an idea that will
grab their attention and at the same time tell them why they’re there.
 That’s what audiences want to have answered right away – not what
you’re going to say, but _why they’re there_."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorgan/2012/04/02/giving-a-presentation-dont-tell-em-what-youre-going-to-say/


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> The inverted pyramid is the writer's friend as far as this sort of thing is 
> concerned.
>
> 
>
>> On 7 Oct 2013, at 10:25, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> tl;dr
>>
>> It's missing an intro. There's no clear reason why it would be
>> fruitful to climb that mountain of text. I got three paras in and gave
>> up.
>>
>> Simply leaving a blank line between para's would also help, a bit.
>>
>> Tell 'em what your're going to say.
>> Say it.
>> Summarize what you said.
>
> Or indeed:
>
> Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em
> Tell 'em
> Tell 'em what you just told 'em
>
> (Which is not the same as the inverted pyramid)
>
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>>> Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of 
>>> text - why should anyone want to read it?
>>>
>>> Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences.
>>>
>>> B
>>>
 On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> Stuff
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Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Bob W]

Indeed.  The point is - anything but the Larrathon...

Sorry, Larry!

B

> On 7 Oct 2013, at 20:09, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Bob, here's a counter technique that would've worked, if used:
> 
> "So when you start with that agenda slide (tell ‘em what you’re going
> to say) their attentions immediately wander, they pick up their
> phones, and you’ve lost ‘em.
> 
> Instead, launch right in with a framing story or an idea that will
> grab their attention and at the same time tell them why they’re there.
> That’s what audiences want to have answered right away – not what
> you’re going to say, but _why they’re there_."
> 
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorgan/2012/04/02/giving-a-presentation-dont-tell-em-what-youre-going-to-say/
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> The inverted pyramid is the writer's friend as far as this sort of thing is 
>> concerned.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Oct 2013, at 10:25, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> tl;dr
>>> 
>>> It's missing an intro. There's no clear reason why it would be
>>> fruitful to climb that mountain of text. I got three paras in and gave
>>> up.
>>> 
>>> Simply leaving a blank line between para's would also help, a bit.
>>> 
>>> Tell 'em what your're going to say.
>>> Say it.
>>> Summarize what you said.
>> 
>> Or indeed:
>> 
>> Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em
>> Tell 'em
>> Tell 'em what you just told 'em
>> 
>> (Which is not the same as the inverted pyramid)
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Bob W  wrote:
 Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of 
 text - why should anyone want to read it?
 
 Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences.
 
 B
 
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Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Attila Boros]

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> Instead, launch right in with a framing story or an idea that will
> grab their attention

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_medias_res

I've been using this a lot in high school without the "tell them why
they’re there" part (in writing, I weren't giving presentations). I
thought I'm being original until my teacher told me it's the oldest
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Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Larry Colen]

On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 08:19:11PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
> Indeed.  The point is - anything but the Larrathon...
> 
> Sorry, Larry!

Like I said, I started it way too late at night, I thought it was 
going to be a couple of paragraphs.  I posted it on facebook to 
start a conversation about appreciating the work that goes into
being the unofficial community photographer.  

It was a lot longer than I intended, but I needed to go to bed, 
so I just posted what I had. I thought that some people on this
list might be interested in the subject and discussion, because
they ended up being the parent that gets the shots everyone uses
of the kids soccer games, or school plays, or like me, in the dance
community.  

As was observed, I just copied it from facebook and pasted it into 
my text editor mail client. 


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Peso The Game

[Don Guthrie]

Here is one I've been meaning to post for a week or two. Don't ask me 
what camera I used. It wasn't k-3. C&C etc.



https://plus.google.com/100687245332697763729/posts/GKQfMf8e9s7

http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/10143301786/

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Arca-Swiss P0 arrives...

[Darren Addy]

And this image sums up my opinion of it:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5046748928/h717AD82F/

Looks like clear skies, so hoping to take another whack with the O-GPS
AstroTrack tonight.



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Re: Is there a way to speed up uploads to Flikr?

[Eric Weir]

On Oct 6, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> So you have to make the best of what you've got and that means
> reducing the amount of data you are sending. I noticed that you are
> uploading your full-sized camera images: 2008x3008 pixels. Do you
> really need to do that? Would 684x1024 be good enough? This depends on
> who you are uploading these for.

Thanks, Bruce. My apologies for taking so long to respond, but  do appreciate 
the suggestions.

I didn't realize  was exporting full-size images. My settings have resize to 
1000H X 1000W pixels at 240 pixels per inch. I'll give some thought to whether 
I want to continue doing that. Probably not. A hesitation concerns setting the 
H/W ratio. Is there a way to get LR to do that?
 
> I also noticed that your images are noisy (based on your PESO image
> 20130916-IMGP6886 at 2008x3008). You may not care about a little noise
> but it makes your JPEGs larger. This is because the more high
> frequency content in an image the less the JPEG compression algorithms
> can squeeze it. Noise is useless high frequency content.
> 
> You're using Lightroom 5 so you should apply some noise reduction to
> all your images. You can make it a default setting applied during
> import.

I'm aware of the noise, especially, as is often the case, especially indoors, 
when I've used high ISO.  I've rarely done more than the simple editing 
provided under Quick Develop in the Library module. Time venture out and learn 
to do something new. I'll start experimenting with the settings under 
Detail/Noise Reduction in the Develop module.

> After that, well if you can't make the uploads any faster, then at
> least make them more convenient -- make them run in the background.
> Since you're using Lightroom, you should configure the builtin Flickr
> Exporter (uploader). It will let you down-size the uploaded images,
> compress them more, convert them to sRGB, etc, all automatically
> during the upload.

I've uploaded one set using the built-in uploader. Once I get the hang of it I 
can see it will be more convenient. I see how to resize, but not compress or 
set the color space. The options under file settings are greyed-out and do not 
include setting the color space.

> Hope that helps, Eric.

It will take some practice, but it certainly does.

Sincerely,
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K-3 musings

[Larry Colen]

Looking at:
http://www.cameraegg.org/pentax-k-3-full-images-and-price/

Note that there seems to be a dedicated button for switching the fiveway
switch between focus point selection and the other functions.

Looking at:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-box

Battery Charger Kit K-BC90 is the same battery charger for the K-5 and K-7.

Focusing Screen MF-60 Frame Matte, is also the same as for the K-5 and K-7.

Optional BG-5 Battery Grip

The BG-5, designed exclusively for the K-3, is not backward compatible.
 optionally accepts six AA-sized batteries as well as the standard lithium-ion 
rechargeable battery

Comparing this picture of the K-3:
http://www.cameraegg.org/pentax-k-3-full-images-and-price/
and this of the K-5
http://www.ephotozine.com/articles/pentax-k5-ii-review-20717/images/highres-pentax-k-5-II-16_1352979281.jpg

Does there seem to be more room around the sensor in the K-3 than in the K-5?
Or is that just a trick of the light?

K-5 Dimensions  5.2 x 3.8 x 2.9 in

K-3 Dimensions 5.17in x 3.94in x 3.05in

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Re: Is there a way to speed up uploads to Flikr?

[Bob W]

On 7 Oct 2013, at 21:24, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> So you have to make the best of what you've got and that means
>> reducing the amount of data you are sending. I noticed that you are
>> uploading your full-sized camera images: 2008x3008 pixels. Do you
>> really need to do that? Would 684x1024 be good enough? This depends on
>> who you are uploading these for.
> 
> Thanks, Bruce. My apologies for taking so long to respond, but  do appreciate 
> the suggestions.
> 
> I didn't realize  was exporting full-size images. My settings have resize to 
> 1000H X 1000W pixels at 240 pixels per inch. I'll give some thought to 
> whether I want to continue doing that. Probably not. A hesitation concerns 
> setting the H/W ratio. Is there a way to get LR to do that?

On the export dialog box you can tell it the maximum dimensions to apply to one 
of the sides. I have it set to the long side. You'll need to be judicious about 
choosing a number that's neatly divisible so that the system doesn't have to do 
any thinking and mangling to fit the common ratios, such as 1:1, 1:2, 2:3, 3:4.

960 is a good number. The duodecimal system is much better than the decimal 
system in many ways.

B


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PESO: Too much post-processing?

[Ciprian Dorin Craciun]

Hello there!  (I hope to keep this mail short...)

Two weekends ago during a rainy day I was out photographing.
Unfortunately I didn't got too many photos, and none that I'm too glad
of.  However I found one that during post-processing made me wonder
about how visible or heavy my "retouches" are...

Thus I would like some help in this matter:  do you think I've
overdone the "fine touches"?

http://data.volution.ro/ciprian/bdf753de58c560bc/747077f330c992ad-a.jpg

http://data.volution.ro/ciprian/bdf753de58c560bc/747077f330c992ad-b.jpg

For comparison I've included the two variants of the same photo
above:  one obtained with a simple `dcraw` from the RAW (auto
white-balance, etc. plus resize), and the second one my "retouched"
variant in RawTherapee.  However I won't say which is which just to
keep the experiment unbiased.  (But just don't peek into the Exif
info.) :)

Thanks,
Ciprian.


P.S.:  I must note that by "post-processing" I mean just raw
conversion in RawTherapee with LAB touches, sharpening and noise
reduction.  No tone-mapping and other "color" madness.

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Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Bill]

On 07/10/2013 1:29 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 08:19:11PM +0100, Bob W wrote:

Indeed.  The point is - anything but the Larrathon...

Sorry, Larry!

Like I said, I started it way too late at night, I thought it was
going to be a couple of paragraphs.  I posted it on facebook to
start a conversation about appreciating the work that goes into
being the unofficial community photographer.
Generally, you will find that the Reader's Digest version is the way to 
go. If you can't do that, you need to be funny.


bill

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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Bill]

On 07/10/2013 5:06 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs


You got a link that works?

bill

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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Bill :


On 07/10/2013 5:06 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs


You got a link that works?




Bruce posted this earlier:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights


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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Bill]

On 07/10/2013 8:43 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Pssst:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights

In case anyone missed it.



You are what is known as a God.
Thank you

bill

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Re: Peso The Game

[Attila Boros]

The kids seem to be tied up in the game. I like the big guy, it's like
he has it all figured out but won't say a thing:)

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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> Here is one I've been meaning to post for a week or two. Don't ask me what
> camera I used. It wasn't k-3. C&C etc.
>
>
> https://plus.google.com/100687245332697763729/posts/GKQfMf8e9s7
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/10143301786/
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs

[Carlos R.]

El 07/10/2013 23:50, Bill escribió:

On 07/10/2013 8:43 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Pssst:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights


In case anyone missed it.



You are what is known as a God.
Thank you

bill


There is some more info in this link (in Spanish);

http://www.pentax-k3.com/

Carlos

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Re: facebook post about being the community photographer

[Christine Nielsen]

So... as a parent who does shoot a fair amount of photos of kids at
games,  recitals, etc., I think I understand what you are driving at.
I do not want to be in the position of feeling taken advantage of, or
taken for granted as the "community photographer."  Especially since,
I am a photographer in my community, and I would like people in my
community to occasionally pay me for taking photographs.  Here is how
I approach photo-taking & sharing at these kind of events:

- Unless asked (paid) to shoot an event, I attend, and shoot, as a
parent. I'm taking photos of my kid, and his/her friends.  I shoot for
the enjoyment, the family album, and the practice.  Once or twice a
season, I will try to get photos of everyone at the track meet, for
example... just as a courtesy, or contribution, to the
team/organization that my child is part of... I share a link to the
photos on my website, in web-size, often with my watermark.  Kids &
families can share, link, download, post to facebook, whatever. They
can order prints, too... which rarely happens, btw.

-That should tell you something right there.  Even well-executed
photos of kids  (or dancers) doing their thing, aren't really selling
like hotcakes.  (Unless you are a pro, hired to shoot the
competition/performance, and you are hard-selling parents on prints
before they leave the event. I'm not interested in that.)  So, I don't
spend a ton of time making these photos for others.

-Often at these events, there is someone (a parent), who is in charge
of getting photos of the team doing their thing... that's fine. (see
above, why nobody buys photos)   I try very hard not to be that
parent.  They are there at every event, shooting away, and then
usually dump their images onto the team website.  Those images are
different than mine... they are fine snapshots, but not what you or I
would want to show as representative of our work.  (If I can say so
without being arrogant) I like to think that how I share & present my
images communicates that I value them differently.

-For friends... actual friends... I will share digital files for
printing, or send them prints.

So... my advice to you (it's worth what it costs) is shoot as much as
you like at dance events.  Process & post as much as you want, as much
as you feel it is worth.But no more than that.

:)
-c

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 08:19:11PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
>> Indeed.  The point is - anything but the Larrathon...
>>
>> Sorry, Larry!
>
> Like I said, I started it way too late at night, I thought it was
> going to be a couple of paragraphs.  I posted it on facebook to
> start a conversation about appreciating the work that goes into
> being the unofficial community photographer.
>
> It was a lot longer than I intended, but I needed to go to bed,
> so I just posted what I had. I thought that some people on this
> list might be interested in the subject and discussion, because
> they ended up being the parent that gets the shots everyone uses
> of the kids soccer games, or school plays, or like me, in the dance
> community.
>
> As was observed, I just copied it from facebook and pasted it into
> my text editor mail client.
>
>
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