Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2017-01-23 Thread Gadgety1

Thank you for the explanation.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2017-01-23 Thread bpa

Gadgety1 wrote: 
> So movie sound, even if it is flac, 2 channel, is heavier to process
> than audio due to larger buffers (i e would get stuck in buffering)?

No - just that the audio data will take a different path than the video
(buffered by Windows, put into packets sent by TCP, received by player )
all takes time and that player neeeds to build up a buffer of audio
before it can be played. The main delay of typically at least 5-10 secs
is usually in Windows - network and processing delays also occur but are
much smaller.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2017-01-23 Thread Gadgety1

Thank you for your reply Mnyb. Thankfully, you are omniposting in all
subforums. So movie sound, even if it is flac, 2 channel, is heavier to
process than audio due to larger buffers (i e would get stuck in
buffering)?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2017-01-22 Thread Mnyb

forget movies the player buffers are quite substantial where talking
15-30 seconds , it's a music player it makes sense to buffer in the
player .




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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2017-01-22 Thread Gadgety1

Very low activity here. I have a few questions. 

1. Is this plugin still active? 

Let's see if I understood how it functions, and whether my planned setup
would work. I want to use this for movies because my integrated
amplifier only has coax SPDIF in. A Squeezebox Receiver is connected to
the amp. I have a professional sound card PCI-E in a PC. 

2. Since sound will be looped back and then sent to the Squeezebox (I
plan to do so over Wifi), I assume I can connect the soundcard, but I
won't have to add any cabling. Is my assumption correct?

3. The soundcard and the movies are on a remote PC. I plan to send the
film to another PC, which is too crowded to mount the soundcard. This
will do processing with madVR and be connected to the TV. Sound will be
sent over wifi to the Squeezebox, connected to the amp. Provided the
wifi can handle it, is this a feasible set up?

4. Alternatively I could send the movie and the sound to the second PC,
and then have it distribute the audio to the Receiver over RJ45. Perhaps
a better alternative, but this second PC won't have the Sound card, so I
believe this makes it impossible to stream the sound via this PC?

Lipsync may be an issue. Probably not the only challenge. So, could any
of these set ups be feasible?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2015-03-16 Thread doubleugk

How stupid of me, I forgot the play wavin on the http player.
I thought the link to http://myLMS:9000/stream.mp3 would grab the stream
anyway.
Thx for bothering.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2015-03-16 Thread doubleugk

I struggle getting stream.mp3 to work, cause I'd like to stream via
http.
My LMS is not running as a service. Transcoding config maintained.
When I open http:myLMS:9000/stream.mp3 while using wavin:0 there is no
sound, but player is showing progress.

Advice appreciated - Cheers wgk



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2015-03-16 Thread bpa

doubleugk wrote: 
 I struggle getting stream.mp3 to work, cause I'd like to stream via
 http.
 My LMS is not running as a service. Transcoding config maintained.
 When I open http://myLMS:9000/stream.mp3 while using wavin:0 there is no
 sound, but player is showing progress.
 
 Advice appreciated - Cheers wgk

what does the log show when trying to play having set logging
player.source to DEBUG



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2013-06-06 Thread ad180

bpa wrote: 
 What version of Windows ?
 Did you check show disabled devices (right click on microphone or any
 device showing) on the Recording tab of the Sound control panel ?
 

Yes, I checked show disabled devices.

I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium on a Sony Vaio VPCEB25FX laptop.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2013-06-06 Thread bpa

ad180 wrote: 
 Yes, I checked show disabled devices.
 
 I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium on a Sony Vaio VPCEB25FX laptop.

It looks like Sony as a matter of policy have ensured that their PCs do
not have the Stereo Mix capability.  The initial workaround I suggest
is to try the last post in this thread as your PC seems to have Realtek
HD audio hardware
http://www.sony.co.uk/discussions/thread/90655?start=27tstart=0



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2013-05-28 Thread ad180

I'm one of those folks that can't get Stereo Mix to appear on his VAIO
laptop.

Is it possible to connect Wave Input with Total Recorder?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2013-05-28 Thread bpa

ad180 wrote: 
 I'm one of those folks that can't get Stereo Mix to appear on his VAIO
 laptop.
What version of Windows ?
Did you check show disabled devices on the Recording tab of the Sound
control panel ?

 Is it possible to connect Wave Input with Total Recorder?
No.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2012-11-28 Thread sle118

For the ones interested, this plugin is perfect to get unsupported
services to work on our beloved hardware.

The perfect companion is an application that allows controlling the
stream remotely, for example through an android phone. I have used
GSRemote and I am pleased with it.

They will see if they can also adapt the product to make it work on
Songza, which would make it even more awesome. 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.co.awesomedigital.gsremotehl=fr



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2012-04-17 Thread cuppa111

Got it! Honestly, it started working during the night without any
reboots or acts. :D Thanks anyways!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2012-04-16 Thread cuppa111

Hi,

so here's basically the problem. I installed the plugin successfully,
but it doesn't play the sounds. The plugin and the connection work,
because if I connect my USB-mic to computer I can hear it's sounds
through the my speakers, but not the actual sounds.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong..


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2012-04-16 Thread bpa

You seem to be looking at the output device page - IIRC the Stereo Mix
you want should be in the the Recording page along side microphone and
aux input.

Test stereo mix as a source for recording  using the Recorder
accessory.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2012-03-08 Thread bpa

OK - I was right about problem with the wavin2cmd - see this post
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=422260postcount=315

Essentially the test command is

Code:

wavin2cmd -o wavin:0 | lame -x -r - capture.mp3



You need to have lame.exe installed and to be on the path.

I think the plugin will not work if LMS is run as a service as services
have no access to the audio h/w.  To use the plugin you need to run LMS
to start on Login or manually.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2012-03-08 Thread msui772

I am so grateful for your help. 
After your pointer - I read through much of the advice that followed
and I have ensured that: 
It is not running as a service
I have removed security (was password protected before)
(I also upgraded last night to the latest nightly build).

I increased logging level for player.source; player.streaming;
plugin.waveinput to debug level and this is what I get when I try to
play the favourite which is defined as wavin:0

[12-03-08 13:43:24.5455] Slim::Utils::Misc::fixPath (580) Error:
Dealing with single audiodir (C:\My Music) instead of mediadirs
[C:\\My Music]
[12-03-08 13:43:24.5510] Slim::Utils::Misc::fixPath (580) Backtrace:

frame 0: Slim::Utils::Log::logBacktrace
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Utils/Misc.pm line
580)
frame 1: Slim::Utils::Misc::fixPath
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Control/Commands.pm
line 1411)
frame 2: Slim::Control::Commands::playlistXitemCommand
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Control/Request.pm
line 1884)
frame 3: (eval)
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Control/Request.pm
line 1884)
frame 4: Slim::Control::Request::execute
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Control/Request.pm
line 881)
frame 5: Slim::Control::Request::executeRequest
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Player/Client.pm line
648)
frame 6: Slim::Player::Client::execute
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Web/XMLBrowser.pm line
623)
frame 7: Slim::Web::XMLBrowser::handleFeed
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Web/XMLBrowser.pm line
55)
frame 8: Slim::Web::XMLBrowser::handleWebIndex
(C:/PROGRA~1/SQUEEZ~3/server/Slim/Plugin/Favorites/Plugin.pm line 318)
frame 9: Slim::Plugin::Favorites::Plugin::indexHandler
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Web/HTTP.pm line
1101)
frame 10: Slim::Web::HTTP::generateHTTPResponse
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Web/HTTP.pm line 924)
frame 11: Slim::Web::HTTP::processURL
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Web/HTTP.pm line 734)
frame 12: Slim::Web::HTTP::processHTTP
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Networking/IO/Select.pm
line 139)
frame 13: (eval)
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Networking/IO/Select.pm
line 123)
frame 14: Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Networking/IO/Select.pm
line 184)
frame 15: (eval)
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Networking/IO/Select.pm
line 184)
frame 16: Slim::Networking::IO::Select::loop (slimserver.pl line
695)
frame 17: main::idle (slimserver.pl line 645)
frame 18: main::main (slimserver.pl line 101)
frame 19: PerlSvc::Interactive
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXEPerlSvc.pm line 99)
frame 20: PerlSvc::_interactive (slimserver.pl line 0)
frame 21: (eval) (slimserver.pl line 0)

[12-03-08 13:43:24.5523] Slim::Player::StreamingController::stop (2203)
64:b9:e8:99:2b:2f
[12-03-08 13:43:24.5529]
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_eventAction (271)
64:b9:e8:99:2b:2f: Stop in STOPPED-IDLE -
Slim::Player::StreamingController::_NoOp
[12-03-08 13:43:24.5534]
Slim::Player::StreamingController::resetSongqueue (1843) Song queue is
now 

and then it switches to other logs - the song queue is empty.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2012-03-08 Thread bpa

You've cut out all the interesting message from the log and left them on
your desk.  Complete unedited logs are important as sometimes it is the
messages that are missing that are important.  

There should be at least 100 lines of log messages. Please do the
following.

1. Change the three 3 log settings to debug and click Apply.
2. Note the time on your system as this will be the time of the first
log message that is to be copied.
3. Use Tune-in or your favorites to play wavin:0
4. Wait for 30 secs.
5. Stop the player/Clear the playlist 
6. Note the system time as this is the time of the last message to be
copied.
7. Open the system log and copy all message from the start time (step
2) until the end time (step 6) into a text file. Do not edit the
message in any way.
8. Zip the text file and attach to a post.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2012-03-08 Thread msui772

My mistake - I had incorrectly set my favourite to wavein:0 instead of
wavin:0 when I was doing one of my tests and forgot to restore it. I
realised when I saw that it didn't matter what I put in the tunein url
I received the same cryptic error in the server log related to fixpath.


Thank you so much for your assistance. I just have to work out how to
reduce the delay which is around 16 seconds in mp3 / flac and 7 seconds
in pcm. 

Michael.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2012-03-07 Thread msui772

Sorry if I'm reviving an old thread - should I be creating a new one?
I have been trying to get the waveinput plugin to work on Windows XP
using Logitech Media Server Version: 7.7.1. (Essentially to get it to
work with Shairport4w to play my Audible files from my iPhone). 
As part of the debugging I followed the advice on the Wiki
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/WaveInput_plugin) which is to
say I ran the command wavin2cmd.exe -w -o wavin:0  audiocapture.wav
I waited for a minute or two before stopping it (Ctl-c) Then tried to
listen to the file (VLC and Media Player and Audacity) and there is
only 1 second's worth of music regardless of how big the file is. I
repeated this many times waiting either a short or long time. The file
size is proportional to the wait but there is only ever 1 second's
worth of music. I guess there is no point expecting the plugin to work
if the command line program doesn't deliver. 

In LMS, if I select the favourite I have created with wavin:0 as the
address, The web interface briefly says Connecting at the bottom and
then the squeezebox (or other player) ends up with an empty playlist. 
Checking the server log always shows the following so any hints about
where to look would be gratefully received. 
Server  error log: 

[12-03-07 22:14:22.7447] Slim::Utils::Misc::fixPath (580) Error:
Dealing with single audiodir (C:\My Music) instead of mediadirs
[C:\\My Music]
[12-03-07 22:14:22.7454] Slim::Utils::Misc::fixPath (580) Backtrace:

frame 0: Slim::Utils::Log::logBacktrace
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Utils/Misc.pm line
580)
frame 1: Slim::Utils::Misc::fixPath
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Control/Commands.pm
line 1411)
frame 2: Slim::Control::Commands::playlistXitemCommand
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Control/Request.pm
line 1884)
frame 3: (eval)
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Control/Request.pm
line 1884)
frame 4: Slim::Control::Request::execute
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Control/Request.pm
line 881)
frame 5: Slim::Control::Request::executeRequest
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Player/Client.pm line
648)
frame 6: Slim::Player::Client::execute
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Web/XMLBrowser.pm line
623)
frame 7: Slim::Web::XMLBrowser::handleFeed
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Web/XMLBrowser.pm line
55)
frame 8: Slim::Web::XMLBrowser::handleWebIndex
(C:/PROGRA~1/SQUEEZ~3/server/Slim/Plugin/Favorites/Plugin.pm line 318)
frame 9: Slim::Plugin::Favorites::Plugin::indexHandler
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Web/HTTP.pm line
1101)
frame 10: Slim::Web::HTTP::generateHTTPResponse
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Web/HTTP.pm line 924)
frame 11: Slim::Web::HTTP::processURL
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Web/HTTP.pm line 734)
frame 12: Slim::Web::HTTP::processHTTP
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Networking/IO/Select.pm
line 139)
frame 13: (eval)
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Networking/IO/Select.pm
line 123)
frame 14: Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Networking/IO/Select.pm
line 184)
frame 15: (eval)
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Networking/IO/Select.pm
line 184)
frame 16: Slim::Networking::IO::Select::loop (slimserver.pl line
695)
frame 17: main::idle (slimserver.pl line 645)
frame 18: main::main (slimserver.pl line 101)
frame 19: PerlSvc::Interactive
(/C:\PROGRA~1\SQUEEZ~3\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXEPerlSvc.pm line 99)
frame 20: PerlSvc::_interactive (slimserver.pl line 0)
frame 21: (eval) (slimserver.pl line 0)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2012-03-07 Thread bpa

msui772;694575 Wrote: 
 I guess there is no point expecting the plugin to work if the command
 line program doesn't deliver.

Correct.

It's been a long time but IIRC there may have been a typo in the
command  wavin2cmd.exe -w -o wavin:0  audiocapture.wav .  I can't
check this at the moment as I'd need to boot up Windows on a system.

Can you record PC audio using the Recorder accessory ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2012-03-07 Thread msui772

bpa;694577 Wrote: 
 Correct.
 Can you record PC audio using the Recorder accessory ?

Yup. No problem with sndrec32.exe - produced a minute's worth of audio
easily.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-12-25 Thread bpa

mishkin;679336 Wrote: 
 But now my question is:  What button in the main Squeezebox web UI do I
 click to -play- to the Squeezebox what the PC is playing? 

As detailed many many times before in this thread

Just create a Favorite (usually wavin:0 but not always as the number
is system dependent) and then play it.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-12-24 Thread mishkin

I just installed the plugin (on my 7.7.1 server) and I get...nothing. 
After restarting the server, I don't see any settings page for the
plugin and when I run winin2cmd -l manually, I get no output (i.e.,
no device names displayed).  I don't see anything interesting in the
server log.  I'm assuming I'm missing something simple.  Help?

Thanks.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-12-24 Thread bpa

There are no settings.

What OS ?
What type of server ?
Does it have audio ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-12-24 Thread mishkin

bpa;679316 Wrote: 
 There are no settings.
Ah, OK.  I thought I saw something about settings when I skimmed
earlier posts in this thread.
bpa;679316 Wrote: 
 
 What OS ?
 
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit.
bpa;679316 Wrote: 
 What type of server ?
Not sure what you mean by this, but this is what I see through the web
UI:

Code:


  Logitech Media Server Version: 7.7.1 - r33750 @ Mon Dec 12 09:42:47 PST 2011
  


bpa;679316 Wrote: 
 Does it have audio ?
Ditto on this question.  The PC the server is running definitely has
audio (e.g., produces sounds out the speakers connected to the PC when
I watch YouTube videos :-).  FWIW, the Device Manager lists:


- Intel Display Audio
- Realtek High Definition Audio
  

Thanks for your help.

Nat


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-12-24 Thread bpa

I think settings were removed/no longer supported at some point to keep
step with SBS/LMS updates.

By what type of server I meant hardware - some servers such as WHS or
or other have embedded Windows or no audio hardware.

The ability to record the audio output of the PC depends on the
capabilities of the driver supplied by the vendor. On many laptops this
functionality is missing and the user has to find a driver with the
required functionality.

To check if your system has this functionality - use the Sound Record
accessory and see if the relevant source is available.

I have no experience with Win 7 but on some Vista systems, the What U
Hear or similar audio source had to be explicitly enabled in the
control panel first before a user could record from PC speaker audio.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-12-24 Thread mishkin

bpa;679328 Wrote: 
 I think settings were removed/no longer supported at some point to keep
 step with SBS/LMS updates.
 
 By what type of server I meant hardware - some servers such as WHS or
 or other have embedded Windows or no audio hardware.
 
 The ability to record the audio output of the PC depends on the
 capabilities of the driver supplied by the vendor. On many laptops this
 functionality is missing and the user has to find a driver with the
 required functionality.
 
 To check if your system has this functionality - use the Sound Record
 accessory and see if the relevant source is available.
 
 I have no experience with Win 7 but on some Vista systems, the What U
 Hear or similar audio source had to be explicitly enabled in the
 control panel first before a user could record from PC speaker audio.

Googling
[what u
hear windows 7 (https://www.google.com/search?q=what+u+hear+windows+7)] 
yielded 'this result'
(http://awesometoast.com/recording-what-you-hear-in-windows-7/) that
explains how to enable the What You Hear feature on Windows 7.  Now
when I run wavin2cmd.exe -l I get one line of output (Stereo Mix
(Realtek High Defini), which seems like a good sign.  But now my
question is:  What button in the main Squeezebox web UI do I click to
-play- to the Squeezebox what the PC is playing?

Thanks again.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-30 Thread Mod74

UPDATE:

Having tested the MP3 stream over the default FLAC it seems to be
holding onto the stream to just the Boom much better. Dare I say even
perfectly.

Takes a little longer to initialise the stream for some reason but once
it's going it's fine. Still drifts but from our conversations I think
that just goes with the territory.

Now to try linking up the two extra software/open peak/Joggler frames.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-25 Thread Mod74

Hi.

I have.

Dedicated P4 media PC
Latest nightly build of SBS
Wavin
Squeezebox Boom
2x Software players (OpenPeak frame running Rhubarbs player)

PC is connected to main router via ethernet. Second router is connected
to that via ethernet. The only devices connected to second router are
the Boom and OpenPeak frames.

At the moment I only have the Boom connected.

Playback is initialised from Zune (DRM files) and then picked up by
wavin.

Playback will be fine but drifts out around a second for every 5 or 6
hours its running. Approximately. 

Over the course of a couple of days it goes up to 10-15 seconds so I
select a radio stream and then reselect wavin (via favourites button on
the boom) and it usually kicks back to 1 or 2 second delay.

Quite a lot of the time even when just streaming to the Boom alone the
stream gets bogged down and is buffering every couple of minutes.

Playback from the main SBS library (non DRM tracks) and radio streams
are almost always fine.

Is there a way to tone down the quality levels the wavin plugin
produces. I know there's command line options but i don't really
understand how they're invoked as the wavin plugin just starts
automatically when I initilise playback. That would probably help the
buffering (which really, is the main problem) but I'm at a loss as to
why it continues to drift.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-25 Thread bpa

Generally sync will not work properly with s/w players.

If you are syncing a h/w player with a s/w player - then for most
configuration there will be always be a problem with sync some users
have attributed the issue to the clock on standard PC audio output not
being as accurate as the SB h/w players.

A drift of 1 sec every 5 hours is very very good compared to what user
often experience.

The wavin plugin takes a PCM stream (44.1/16)  from Windows audio
system.  By default the stream will be converted into Flac to send to
players.  If you do not want Flac - then disable the
Settiongs/Filetypes/ Wave Input for Flac and PCM and only leave the MP3
option enabled.

 Quite a lot of the time even when just streaming to the Boom alone the
 stream gets bogged down and is buffering every couple of minutes.
Sounds like you have a network issue and cannot deliver sufficient
bandwidth for Flac over a sustained period.  Run the SB network test or
test with wired connection to confirm.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-25 Thread Mod74

Hi,

Sorry to be a div but where are the settings for Wavin?

On SettingsAdvancedfileTypes 

Wave Input:
FLAC ^^Disabled/wavin2cmd-flac
MP3 ^^ Disabled
PCM ^^ Disabled/wavin2cmd

There doesn't seem to an option to enable MP3. If I disable Flac and
PCM does that Enable MP3 by default?

I'm planning on putting HomePlug sockets on all three boxes in the near
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-25 Thread bpa

You need to have lame installed before you can do MP3 encoding.  This
link may help but I've not checked it for accuracy
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/LAME_for_transcoding


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-25 Thread Mod74

Thanks for that. Sorry for the noob question.

LAME seems to have installed by just copying the file as per the Wiki
page and wavin seems to be streaming on a quick test just now. Will
give it a proper road test over the next few days.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-22 Thread Mod74

bpa;639831 Wrote: 
 
 
 All your other playback issues have nothing to do with the plugin -
 they are SBS/network issues.

Yeah, you said it drifted because software players lacked proper
timing, so I bought a Boom and it still drifts.

Is there something specific wrong with SBS or the network you can
suggest as it works fine, then difts, then comes back in if I reset it.


wavin is the only thing that does drift, and reseting fix the problem,
so I'm sorry but I have a hard time seeing the reason it drifts as
being anyting other than the plugin. 

It's got to the point now where it seems to be producing too large a
stream to stream nicely (radio and normal mp3 playback is fine) so
unless I can tweak the setting I'm going to have to give up on Zune
playback and use something else like Spotify.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-22 Thread bpa

Mod74;642486 Wrote: 
 wavin is the only thing that does drift, and reseting fix the problem,
 so I'm sorry but I have a hard time seeing the reason it drifts as
 being anyting other than the plugin. 

Can you describe your setup ?
As I understand it, you have two SB hardware players and they remain in
sync when playing internet radio streams but they do not remain in sync
when playing a wavin stream.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-17 Thread bpa

If timers do not changes after you press the play button - then the
underlying application is not running.

How did you install WaveInput plugin ?
What are the settings for Wave Input in WebUI Settings/Filetypes ?
Get a log of trying to to play wavin:0 with logging player.source set
to INFO and plugin.waveinput set to DEBUG.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-17 Thread nervoteso

bpa;641239 Wrote: 
 If timers do not changes after you press the play button - then the
 underlying application is not running.
 
 How did you install WaveInput plugin ?
 What are the settings for Wave Input in WebUI Settings/Filetypes ?
 Get a log of trying to to play wavin:0 with logging player.source set
 to INFO and plugin.waveinput set to DEBUG.

i've installed plugin on web interface. setitng file are: wavein for
flac and pcm, mp3 are disabled


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-17 Thread bpa

nervoteso;641337 Wrote: 
 setitng file are: wavein for flac and pcm, mp3 are disabled

For WaveInput to work - at least one setting must be enabled so either
* the settings have been disabled manually
* installation is faulty and SBS cannot find the wavin2cmd.exe
application.


Can you check where the file wavin2cmd.exe is installed ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-16 Thread bpa

There is no http in the Favorite - the plugin creates a neew protocol
entry which is equivalent to http so  just use wavin:

Are you running SBS as a service/background ?  If so, the plugin will
not work as services have no access to audio subsystem.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-16 Thread nervoteso

i've set the service off but it doesn't work. it says request not
dispatchable!

here's the log

Cannot request non-HTTP URL URL
[11-07-16 03:25:39.9025] Slim::Web::JSONRPC::requestMethod (383)
request not dispatchable!
[11-07-16 03:25:39.9033] Slim::Web::JSONRPC::requestMethod (383)
request not dispatchable!
[11-07-16 03:25:39.9045] Slim::Web::JSONRPC::requestMethod (383)
request not dispatchable!
[11-07-16 03:25:45.9027] Slim::Web::JSONRPC::requestMethod (383)
request not dispatchable!
[11-07-16 03:25:51.9031] Slim::Web::JSONRPC::requestMethod (383)
request not dispatchable!
[11-07-16 10:08:48.3497] main::init (323) Starting Squeezebox Server
(v7.5.0, r30464, Thu Apr  1 05:51:56 PDT 2010) perl 5.01
[11-07-16 10:08:58.1493] Slim::Utils::PluginManager::load (330)
Warning: Couldn't call Plugins::Spotify::Plugin-initPlugin: write_file
'C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\spotifycache\settings' - sysopen: No
such file or directory at
C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/Spotify/Spotifyd.pm
line 195
[11-07-16 10:16:11.7142] main::init (323) Starting Squeezebox Server
(v7.5.0, r30464, Thu Apr  1 05:51:56 PDT 2010) perl 5.01
[11-07-16 10:16:13.3366] Slim::Utils::MySQLHelper::startServer (288)
Warning: Couldn't install MySQL as a service! Will run as a process!
[11-07-16 10:16:19.6234] Slim::Utils::PluginManager::load (330)
Warning: Couldn't call Plugins::Spotify::Plugin-initPlugin: write_file
'C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\spotifycache\settings' - sysopen: No
such file or directory at
C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/Spotify/Spotifyd.pm
line 195
[11-07-16 10:20:29.1946] Slim::Formats::XML::gotErrorViaHTTP (332)
Error: getting URL
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-16 Thread nervoteso

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-16 Thread bpa

Were you running SBS as a service ?
You have a lot of other error messages in your log file - is SBS
running OK after you make the change ?  if so then the change has not
worked.

I don't use Windows so I cannot debug your situation.

How are you running SBS ? IIRC there were 3 choices - manual, on login
and as a service.  YTou need to stop SBS and then configure it to run
manual or on login.  If you configure on login then you may have to
logout and login again.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-16 Thread nervoteso

bpa;641054 Wrote: 
 Were you running SBS as a service ?
 You have a lot of other error messages in your log file - is SBS
 running OK after you make the change ?  if so then the change has not
 worked.
 
 I don't use Windows so I cannot debug your situation.
 
 How are you running SBS ? IIRC there were 3 choices - manual, on login
 and as a service.  YTou need to stop SBS and then configure it to run
 manual or on login.  If you configure on login then you may have to
 logout and login again.

i've set squeezemysql on manual. i've stopped and started again sbs but
nothing happens


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-16 Thread nervoteso

i've installed cdplayer plugin and it works! i really don't know how to
make this waveinput workit seems i type wavein in tune-in box
nothing happens, it's like it requires http:// form


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-16 Thread bpa

nervoteso;641060 Wrote: 
  it's like it requires http:// form

No it doesn't.

How long did you wait for audio ?  Some users have reported that 10 -
15 secs especially if you have a large Radio Buffer station setting.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-16 Thread nervoteso

bpa;641062 Wrote: 
 No it doesn't.
 
 How long did you wait for audio ?  Some users have reported that 10 -
 15 secs especially if you have a large Radio Buffer station setting.

i'm waiting for minutesbut nothing happens..should i see some icons
appear? should i press play button?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-16 Thread bpa

After you have selected the Favorite you created and pressed Play - the
elapsed timer should start and keep running.

If the timer has stopped then for some reason the support app is not
running and it is necessary to find out why the support app and
possible flac are not running.

If the timer is running but no audio - that is a different problem and
needs checking. A few months ago, one user had a odd WaveInput problem
.. I'll need to look for the to see if it is relevant.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-16 Thread suffix

hey guys!

i'm a new user ... and i tried for 5h now ... but I can't get the
WaveIn plugin to work. maybe one of you can help me out.

the settings are:
-- notebook is a dell inspiron 1520
-- OS is winXP
-- player is a squeezebox boom
-- squeezebox server is version 7.5.5
-- WaveIn is 1.05
-- sounddrivers are sigmaTel, newest version
-- I enabled stereo mix using the registry
-- i checked filetypes ... in wav  flac there is a reference to
wavin2cmd
-- i tried wavin:0 to wavin:3 as favorite-url ... nothing
-- i tried to record localy to a wav-file: WORKED!

but: when i start the squeezebox-server, watch a youtube-video and go
to my wavin:0-favorite ... i hear NOTHIN (not even after waiting 5
mins)

has ANYBODY any idea? thanks in advance!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-16 Thread nervoteso

nothing happens, times doesn't start


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-15 Thread nervoteso

hi,
i0ve installed waveinput plugin on win 7 (sb is 7.5.0), i see plugin
installed but how to enable it? i try to listen to some music on web
but i can't hear anything on SB! stereo mix is set on audio settings.
where are the settings of the plugin?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-15 Thread bpa

No settings - just create a Favorite (usually wavin:0 but not always
as the number is system dependent) and then play it.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-15 Thread nervoteso

bpa;641005 Wrote: 
 No settings - just create a Favorite (usually wavin:0 but not always
 as the number is system dependent) and then play it.

so i should type i nthe url http://wavein:0 ???

or wavein:114 (my ip address)???

i can't hear anything


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-15 Thread bpa

no http (it is not the internet) try wavin:0 but it could be wavin:1,
wavin:2 ... depending on your system.

Is recording setup correctly as per the wiki entry
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/WaveInput_plugin#Configure_Windows_Vista_.2F_7
( ignore install instructions as they are out of date)  

Have you tested with Windows accessory Recorder whether your Stereo
mix is set up correctly ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-15 Thread nervoteso

yes the test recorder is ok, i can record the music. the audio setting
are ok...ma if i type wavein:0, or 1,2,3 on url tune-in i can't hear
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-07-07 Thread Labarum

bpa;635231 Wrote: 
 Many laptop vendors ship a deliberately crippled driver without the
 Stereo Mix or similar facility.
 
 You'll need to google to see if someone has a solution or you may need
 to go the audio chip vendor to see if there is a proper windows driver
 available

My new laptop has got Stereo Mix and I got Wave Input working
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-10 Thread rrand

Okay, I am fairly confident I solved this one now. I only had about 2
rebufferings all day of using wave input. I don't know why this only
happens with wave input and not with live radio streams or streaming
from my own music collection, but maybe it was the size of the streams
that wave input uses?

The problems seems to stem from the use of wireless-N on my network. I
turned Wireless-N off on my router and set it for Network-G only (which
the Squeezebox Boom uses.) That seemed to do the trick. It's been
running pretty flawlessly ever since.

So thanks guys for your help. I guess I can keep using Wave Input at
the expense of not upgrading any of my PC's to N.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-10 Thread bpa

rrand;635698 Wrote: 
 I don't know why this only happens with wave input and not with live
 radio streams or streaming from my own music collection, but maybe it
 was the size of the streams that wave input uses?

Use SBS Network Test to separate problems associated with WaveInput
with general Network problems.

There may be a router traffic issues.  You said your SBS system and
player are both connected using wireless.

Most Live internet radio streams (which are usually less than 320kbps)
will go straight from internet to router and router to Radio. It needs
1 low speed wireless hops. 

Flac file from SBS to player will again only have two wireless hops but
higher speed from SBS to router and router to player - Flac is typically
needs about 700kbps so playing file will need two hops but SBS is
control of the stream.

Waveinput will need 3 wireless hops. It will need a stream from
internet to router and router to PC.  Then Flac from PC to router and
router to player.  If internet stream being played on a browser has
some video content (e.g. ads) this could add up to higher traffic. 
There may be other issue that come into play such as blocking traffic
or router traffic management.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-09 Thread rrand

Okay, I have more information.

I installed SqueezePlay on my mom's iMac and ran Wave Input at the same
time side by side next to my Boom. All three (iMac, Boom, and SBS
laptop) are running wirelessly.

The iMac wave input didn't stutter at all. No rebuffering or
disconnects.

While the iMac was playing at the exact same time, the Boom had only
three incidences of rebuffering in ten minutes. After 10 minutes I
turned off the iMac SqueezePlay and let the Boom run all by itself. I
got about one rebuffering per minute and even a disconnected by remote
which required me to hit play again.

I don't know what this means unless it means the Boom is bad. I hope
not. It seems to run fine for all other purposes. Any input?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-08 Thread PasTim

MrC;635341 Wrote: 
 Try this.  Go to Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Connections,
 right click the LAN connection and select Properties.  Click the
 Configure button and select the Advanced tab.  Scroll down the list to
 Speed  Duplex, and set that to 100 Full duplex and OK your way out. 
 Then test again.
 
 [ edit: am I correct in understanding you're going wireless from the
 desktop where SC runs to the router ?  If so, try wired ]

I wasted many, many, hours of my life testing with my wired NIC at 100
Full Duplex.  I strongly suggest that you do not use this setting,
unless you know that on your NIC and OS this setting also uses
Autonegotiation. On my NIC using XP this setting precludes
Autonegotiation, which is a no-no for almost all systems see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonegotiation).  There is a separate
setting called Autoneg for 100FD which works fine.  Autonegotiation
on it  own also works fine for me.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-08 Thread PasTim

MrC;635431 Wrote: 
 PasTim, different NICs and drivers provide different settings for
 allowing user's to configure NIC speed, duplex and auto-negotiation. 
 For example, mine does not have a separate setting, one each for a
 speed/duplex setting with and without auto-negotiation.
 
 The more important point is to understand the link partner's
 capabilities.
 
 The problem that was trying to be tested and excluded (if I recall
 correctly in your case, and for some others) was that certain NICs and
 their drivers did not reliably support gigabit Ethernet on Windows 7,
 particularly x64, and thus must be downgraded speed-wise to 100mbit. 
 The nVidia 4 chip series was just such a platform, as are certain
 Realtek chips.  Other people had problems with TCP checksum
 offloading.
 
 There were also some wireless connectivity issues with DLink's DIR655
 and DIR855 models and some of the Logitech music devices.  The duet
 would not maintain a connection to a DIR855 in the same room.
 
 So the suggestion to try was to a) remove wireless entirely, and b)
 reduce the Ethernet connection rate as necessary.  It is not clear
 which tests have been performed yet, and which variables have been
 eliminated.

Agreed.  However, it is important to know that such settings can (but
may not) make matters worse, and if at all possible one should use a
setting that includes autonegotiation.  I believe (but can't prove)
that on systems where there is no separate option, autonegotiation is
included all the time.

What is still very puzzling is why some systems have problems with
wavin using flac transmission, but not playing other flacs.  This is
true for rrand as well me. (I managed to get myself into an additional
but separate set of problems by sending flacs from my library in PCM
format.)

Could the wavin problem be related to some form of duplex handling
issue - receiving over the internet and sending out to the
Boom/Touch/whatever at the same time?

rrand - what is your music source when using wavin?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-08 Thread bpa

PasTim;635440 Wrote: 
  This is true for rrand as well me. (I managed to get myself into an
 additional but separate set of problems by sending flacs from my
 library in PCM format.)
 

rrad has a basic network problem as the network test proved.  It is not
related to wavin or anything else.

If there are problem with Flac but not PCM - I think the problem would
be related to the transcoding process such as processor not powerful
enough (unlikely with modern x86 CPUs) more likely is something is
affecting in ter process comms (from wavin2cmd to Flac) using Pipe. You
could try set Wavin to use MP3 rather than Flac and I would expect to
see the same problem.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-08 Thread PasTim

bpa;635447 Wrote: 
 rrad has a basic network problem as the network test proved.  It is not
 related to wavin or anything else.
 
 If there are problem with Flac but not PCM - I think the problem would
 be related to the transcoding process such as processor not powerful
 enough (unlikely with modern x86 CPUs) more likely is something is
 affecting in ter process comms (from wavin2cmd to Flac) using Pipe. You
 could try set Wavin to use MP3 rather than Flac and I would expect to
 see the same problem.

I went through a range of checks on my PC (easily powerful enough - it
ships out 24/96 PCM files with no problem), security software
(including disabling it), using MP3, etc.  The only thing that would
make wavin work on my PC with my Touch was using PCM.  I had, on
occasion, 2 minute delays between the source and the Touch playing. 
The data seemed to go out to the Touch (according to the logs) but it
didn't play for a long time.  All I know for sure is that something
very strange can happen with wavin.

So I have a system that works, but have no idea of the cause of the
original problem. This nags at my brain, but I try to ignore it as much
as I can.

rrand may have a less than perfect network, but it isn't obvious to me
why it only affects wavin. No matter, if improving the network fixes
it, then fine.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-08 Thread MrC

PasTim;635451 Wrote: 
 
 rrand may have a less than perfect network, but it isn't obvious to me
 why it only affects wavin. No matter, if improving the network fixes
 it, then fine.

Less than perfect in Ethernet is unacceptable.  A 1% or 2% packet loss
can cause catastrophic issues due to exponential back-off / retries.

Such problems would typically be experienced by users, for example, on
web page loads that hang while other network traffic appears to be
fine.  Users will Stop the page load, hit refresh, and notice it loads
w/out issue the next time.

(btw. PasTim, I've written a number of high-performance NIC drivers for
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-08 Thread PasTim

MrC;635463 Wrote: 
 Less than perfect in Ethernet is unacceptable.  A 1% or 2% packet loss
 can cause catastrophic issues due to exponential back-off / retries.

Not doubting your expertise, but I'd like to make sense of the reported
problems with only one type of playback.  Maybe when using wavin it's
more real-time, in which case a loss is more likely to create a
problem than with a file on disk that can be read again if necessary. 
I'll be interested to know the source of the sound rrand is using for
wavin.

I used Microsoft Network Monitor to look at snapshots of network
traffic, which showed me where some of my other problems lay.  rrand
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-08 Thread bpa

PasTim;635468 Wrote: 
 I'll be interested to know the source of the sound rrand is using for
 wavin.

rrand ran the SBS Network test where TCP packets are generated from
inside SBS with no music source.  The test had errors even at low
speeds and the the level of errors seem to vary. Wavin was not
involved.

Wavin depends on PC audio driver and the PC audio subsystem which can
do weird things (e.g. resampling, add sound effects) depending on the
audio hardware. The wavin2cmd application justs copies bytes from a
Window PCM stream.  The SBS transcoding uses the socketwrapper.exe and
named pipes.  Socketwrapper had to be rewritten because many security
s/w app thinks named pipes are non safe and so they examine the
bytes - sometimes holding onto bytes for a indeterminate periods.  Some
users have have adjusted (or 3rd part apps have done) the Windows TCP
settings in the registry and this can also cause odd problems. 

There are so many variables with Windows that tracking the down the
problem PasTim experiences really depends on the user themselves
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-08 Thread PasTim

bpa;635473 Wrote: 
 rrand ran the SBS Network test where TCP packets are generated from
 inside SBS with no music source.  The test had errors even at low
 speeds and the the level of errors seem to vary. Wavin was not
 involved.
 
 There are so many variables with Windows that tracking the down the
 problem PasTim experiences really depends on the user themselves
 tediously changing one things at a time to find the critical element.
I give up  give in.   Nothing I hear says why rrand experiences
problems with wavin but not other flacs.  Network problems presumably
apply in either case.  If he has problems with wavin, there's an issue
related to (but not necessarily caused by) wavin.  It may be a general
problem but there's got to be a reason why it manifests itself to the
listener with one sort of traffic and not another.

As far my wavin problem was concerned I could see the flac message
being sent from the PC to the Touch (by looking at the Microsoft
Network Monitor, and graphically using Task Manager, and by process
activity).  I could play a 30 second track.  See the data go out.  Wait
for the Touch to play it, and see no more data being sent after the
first batch. The Touch just didn't play them for tens of seconds up to
2 minutes (at one point I thought the data could be going out to the
internet and back in, but I proved that wasn't true).

I'm well aware no one believes me (except for me myself), but I
repeated the experiment and I believe in the evidence.  I just don't
have a theory to explain it, nor to explain my solution. :-)

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-08 Thread bpa

PasTim;635474 Wrote: 
  Nothing I hear says why rrand experiences problems with wavin but not
 other flacs.  Network problems presumably apply in either case. 

AFAICT rrand's SBS is on a laptop wirelessly connected to router and
the player was also connected using wireless.  The wavin stream is an
internet stream whereas playing other Flac was from the SBS disk. 
Playing an internet stream and using wavin to stream to player will
make more use of the network than streaming Flacs file. 

My first instinct would be to test with another router as a dying
router can be a source of errors.

 I'm well aware no one believes me (except for me myself)
PasTim, I know you have a real problem which could be investigated
further (e.g. I have a version of socketwrapper which produces data
throughput logs  )  but I'm not optimistic a solution will be found and
so it is better to use your time enjoying music.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-08 Thread rrand

Last night I thought I would give it another go and I tried connecting
the laptop by wire again. I ended up screwing everything up so bad I
got blue screen of death errors every time I logged in after about a
minute of use. I tried going back to a restore point which failed which
caused me to not be able to log into Windows at all. Today I downloaded
a Windows 7 disk and did a system restore from there and now I'm back
up again.

I'm a little hesitant to try connecting by wire again on this computer.
I had to reinstall SBS after the system restore so I installed 7.5.4.

I don't know if, like you said, the router is dying or not. But it
shouldn't be because it's brand new.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-08 Thread rrand

I tried it again. It resulted in another BSOD and required another
restore, but only this one said it was not able to complete the restore
which means this restore may have destabilized my system. Unfortunately
I don't think I'll be able to test that route anymore. I don't know if
this will prevent me from diagnosing or using Wave Input.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread Labarum

The link higher up this thread to the Wave Input Wiki returns an error

It's here

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/WaveInput_plugin

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread bpa

Many laptop vendors ship a deliberately crippled driver without the
Stereo Mix or similar facility.

You'll need to google to see if someone has a solution or you may need
to go the audio chip vendor to see if there is a proper windows driver
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread Labarum

bpa;635231 Wrote: 
 You'll need to google to see if someone has a solution or you may need
 to go the audio chip vendor to see if there is a proper windows driver
 available

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread bpa

If it is HD audio make sure you are using it in 2 chan mode.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread rrand

Hello, not sure what is going on...I've been up and down this thread so
I apologize if I missed a fix for this. When I'm using this Wave Input
plugin my Squeezebox Boom goes into buffering maybe 10 times per
song. It's so annoying as to make the plugin unusable. Can anyone give
me some direction? I don't know where to start.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread bpa

rrand;635265 Wrote: 
 I don't know where to start.Thanks.
Give some info about your system, player and setup.

WaveInput normally uses Flac between PC and player. If your network is
not capable of Flac or your PC is not up to transcoding then you will
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread PasTim

rrand;635265 Wrote: 
 Hello, not sure what is going on...I've been up and down this thread so
 I apologize if I missed a fix for this. When I'm using this Wave Input
 plugin my Squeezebox Boom goes into buffering maybe 10 times per
 song. It's so annoying as to make the plugin unusable. Can anyone give
 me some direction? I don't know where to start.
 
 Thanks.

My problems were solved by changing the File Types settings (Server
Settings, Files Types).  Make a note of the settings you have for Wave
Input, and then try:

FLAC - Disabled
MP3 - Disabled
PCM - Wavin2cmd

Every system seems to be different, but that completely fixed my
problems.  If it doesn't work, change the settings back to what they
were.

My Other problems with re-buffering were related to my PC's Network
Interface Card, which was not set to use 'Autonegotiation', and that
affected high quality PCMs.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread rrand

bpa;635269 Wrote: 
 Give some info about your system, player and setup.
 
 WaveInput normally uses Flac between PC and player. If your network is
 not capable of Flac or your PC is not up to transcoding then you will
 get buffering.

Windows 7, Squeezebox Boom, SqueezeBox Server 7.5.4

I know it is using FLAC because I changed a couple of settings in the
custom-convert.conf file and they took. (I changed them back to default
as they didn't help.)

I can actually hear a good portion of the song. Doesn't that mean my
network is capable of FLAC? The song just stops in the middle of
playing and rebuffering appears at the top of the Boom's display.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread rrand

PasTim;635274 Wrote: 
 My problems were solved by changing the File Types settings (Server
 Settings, Files Types).  Make a note of the settings you have for Wave
 Input, and then try:
 
 FLAC - Disabled
 MP3 - Disabled
 PCM - Wavin2cmd
 
 Every system seems to be different, but that completely fixed my
 problems.  If it doesn't work, change the settings back to what they
 were.
 
 My Other problems with re-buffering were related to my PC's Network
 Interface Card, which was not set to use 'Autonegotiation', and that
 affected high quality PCMs.

I tried using PCM only. The same thing happens. The song is playing but
many times per song the audio stops and begins rebuffering before
playing again.

I don't know where you find autonegotiation on Windows 7 though. Is it
a wireless NIC?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread PasTim

rrand;635281 Wrote: 
 
 I don't know where you find autonegotiation on Windows 7 though. Is it
 a wireless NIC?
Are you wireless or wired?

On a wired connection you should be able to see the properties of the
NIC device.  I'm still on XP, and am not sure how you find the
properties on Windows 7.

On XP, my NVIDIA Ethernet NIC device had a number of 'Advanced' options
for speed and full/half duplex.  I needed to select Autonegotiation to
get it to work properly.  Depending on your NIC you may have other
options.

On Wireless you probably don't have those options.

I'm also using a Touch, and don't know much about the Boom.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread rrand

PasTim;635284 Wrote: 
 Are you wireless or wired?
 
 On a wired connection you should be able to see the properties of the
 NIC device.  I'm still on XP, and am not sure how you find the
 properties on Windows 7.
 
 On XP, my NVIDIA Ethernet NIC device had a number of 'Advanced' options
 for speed and full/half duplex.  I needed to select Autonegotiation to
 get it to work properly.  Depending on your NIC you may have other
 options.
 
 On Wireless you probably don't have those options.
 
 I'm also using a Touch, and don't know much about the Boom.

I'm wireless. That's why I couldn't find it. Sorry, I should have said.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread PasTim

If you can't find the source of the problem you may have to go back to
basics.  I connected my Touch directly to my PC via an Ethernet cable. 
To do this I had to use a fixed IP address - I don't know if you can do
this with a Boom.  I managed to show that my problems were not in the
network switches or network cabling.  Since there is little one can
change on the Touch I then worked back into the PC, looking at the NIC,
and found a problem there.

If that doesn't help, the next thing I'd look at would be security
software.  If you can test with a direct connection (and no internet
connection) it should be safe to turn off all security software and see
whether that helps.

You might also check the CPU and Network loads using whatever Windows 7
has for Task Manager.  The network load should be trivial for flacs
(1-2%), and the CPU shouldn't be busy.

I assume you have set your sound card to record 'Wav'?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread PasTim

rrand;635287 Wrote: 
 I'm wireless. That's why I couldn't find it. Sorry, I should have said.
Can you try it wired?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread rrand

PasTim;635290 Wrote: 
 Can you try it wired?

I wired the SqueezeBox Boom and now it's playing perfectly.

Previously I had the Boom in the same room as the router so I don't
think it was a question of distance. Maybe I have a wireless router
settings issue? I still am not sure what the problem could be. The
problem doesn't seem to be the laptop (Squeezebox Server) because I
still have that wireless.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread rrand

I don't know if this helps anybody but my router is a D-Link DIR-655.
Maybe there is a compatibility table somewhere?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread PasTim

rrand;635292 Wrote: 
 I wired the SqueezeBox Boom and now it's playing perfectly.
 
 Previously I had the Boom in the same room as the router so I don't
 think it was a question of distance. Maybe I have a wireless router
 settings issue? I still am not sure what the problem could be. The
 problem doesn't seem to be the laptop (Squeezebox Server) because I
 still have that wireless.
Not something I know a lot about.  I do use wireless a bit (for a
laptop I use to control my PC server which is in another room), but I
spent most of my time on security rather than performance.  

You need to be be getting a decent speed from laptop to router and
thence to Boom, at least a reliable 10Mbps, preferably 40-50Mbps so
there's a load of spare capacity. 

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread rrand

PasTim;635296 Wrote: 
 Not something I know a lot about.  I do use wireless a bit (for a laptop
 I use to control my PC server which is in another room), but I spent
 most of my time on security rather than performance.  
 
 You need to be be getting a decent speed from laptop to router and
 thence to Boom, at least a reliable 10Mbps, preferably 40-50Mbps so
 there's a load of spare capacity. 
 
 You might try asking on the Boom section of the forum.

I guess I spoke too soon. It's still rebuffering while wired, but only
much less frequently.

The reason I'm here and not in the Boom section is because it only
happens when I'm using the Wave Input plugin. When I'm streaming my
music collection from the laptop to the Boom I don't have any problems
with rebuffering at all.

Do you think it might be that the flac stream is too big? Maybe I
should make it into a smaller stream and see if that helps, but I'm not
sure of the right settings.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread PasTim

rrand;635297 Wrote: 
 I guess I spoke too soon. It's still rebuffering while wired, but only
 much less frequently.
 
 The reason I'm here and not in the Boom section is because it only
 happens when I'm using the Wave Input plugin. When I'm streaming my
 music collection from the laptop to the Boom I don't have any problems
 with rebuffering at all.
 
 Do you think it might be that the flac stream is too big? Maybe I
 should make it into a smaller stream and see if that helps, but I'm not
 sure of the right settings.
What's the CPU load?
What's the network speed shown on the laptop, and network load?
Are these loads level or spikey?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread rrand

PasTim;635298 Wrote: 
 What's the CPU load?
 What's the network speed shown on the laptop, and network load?
 Are these loads level or spikey?

By CPU Load, I assume you mean on the Laptop.
CPU Usage: between 5-10%
Network speed: 54Mbps
Network Utilization: 1.82-2.0%
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread bpa

rrand;635297 Wrote: 
 Do you think it might be that the flac stream is too big? 

Delete or rename the custom-convert.conf file just in case there is
some residual effects and then restart SBS.

Then run the network speed test on the boom
(Settings/Information.Network test) and find the max speed at which
your boom can sustain at 100% (i.e. no errors) for 15 mins
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread PasTim

rrand;635301 Wrote: 
 By CPU Load, I assume you mean on the Laptop.
 CPU Usage: between 5-10%
 Network speed: 54Mbps
 Network Utilization: 1.82-2.0%
 They look pretty level.
Sounds OK to me.  

I assume you are playing something over the Internet that you can't
pick up direct on the Boom so have to use Wavin?  As I reported earlier
I never found the underlying cause of my wavin problem, just a workable
solution.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread rrand

bpa;635308 Wrote: 
 Delete or rename the custom-convert.conf file just in case there is some
 residual effects and then restart SBS.
 
 Then run the network speed test on the boom (on Boom
 Settings/Information/Network test) and find the max speed at which your
 boom can sustain at 100% (i.e. no errors) for 15 mins continuously.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread bpa

So your problem is networking.

You are going to have to test all components to isolate the problem 
- verify boom can play fast internet streams (e.g. 320k) through
Mysb.com
- changes cables between PC and router and router and player.
- check TCP and IP stat on PC net interface to see if there are errors
- check PasTim suggestion about NIC interface autoneg settings on PC


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread MrC

Do we know what NIC rrand has on the server?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread rrand

The NIC is an Intel(R) Centrino(R) Advanced-N 6200 AGN.

I upgraded the SqueezeBox Server to 7.6.0. Now I'm able to make it
through multiple songs with maybe only a single Buffering. (Actually,
I don't even know if it says buffering anymore, as it happens so
infrequently. I just hear it stop playing for a few moments.)

I'm running the streaming test again and at 500 kbps I average 99%
which is much better than the earlier test.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread rrand

It just rebuffered, then it said Connection reset by remote. Then it
stopped and now it's just waiting for user input. :(


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread MrC

Try this.  Go to Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Connections,
right click the LAN connection and select Properties.  Click the
Configure button and select the Advanced tab.  Scroll down the list to
Speed  Duplex, and set that to 100 Full duplex and OK your way out. 
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread rrand

MrC;635341 Wrote: 
 Try this.  Go to Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Connections,
 right click the LAN connection and select Properties.  Click the
 Configure button and select the Advanced tab.  Scroll down the list to
 Speed  Duplex, and set that to 100 Full duplex and OK your way out. 
 Then test again.
 
 [ edit: am I correct in understanding you're going wireless from the
 desktop where SC runs to the router ?  If so, try wired ]

I'm trying this. But can anyone tell me what SC means?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Wave Input plugin v1.00

2011-06-07 Thread MrC

Sorry, old habit.  Squeezebox Server.


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