RE: Are you ready to rumble?
I think kids are regressing back to apes with the text language. Al -Original Message- The point is these people started out without a keyboard and it worked for them. Put one in front of them and they struggle a bit. Today's young professional doesn't really need a keyboard, they have been texting for at least 10 years. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/01ce4639$67e627e0$37b277a0$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
So something becomes too old when Microsoft says it is? Al -Original Message- Well, some of us, when we find something, we quit looking for it. +1 Until it gets taken away from us... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000101ce463a$3e557b00$bb007100$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Are you ready to rumble?
Y U fink dat M8.. 8nt nuffin rong wiv dat ... init Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 01 May 2013 07:59 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: Are you ready to rumble? I think kids are regressing back to apes with the text language. Al -Original Message- The point is these people started out without a keyboard and it worked for them. Put one in front of them and they struggle a bit. Today's young professional doesn't really need a keyboard, they have been texting for at least 10 years. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/18725b8cd2d5d247873a2baf401d4ab2011ab...@ex-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Are you ready to rumble?
On Wed, May 1, 2013, at 01:49 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: Voice recognition is never going to work as an all-purpose interface for a computer, just as the mouse won't work as an all-purpose interface for a computer (no matter how much Steve Jobs wanted it to), touch-screen won't work as an all-purpose interface for a computer, just as typing won't work as an all-purpose interface for a computer (command line fanbois back off; try doing CAD or photo editing with a command line). That being said, the keyboard/mouse combination remains the most efficient human/machine interface overall for a general-purpose computing machine. Exactly. If we really wanted to be using large-scale speech recognition we would be using it already. Until we can wire our heads directly into the network the above situation is largely not going to change. We're seeing a shift in the home and some areas of business at the moment away from keyboards and mice towards touch interfaces but once again - touch has been around for years, if it was such a game-changer for business we'd all be wiping our screens clean daily with our bizarrely overmuscled right arms. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1367395987.5367.140661225072165.583da...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Are you ready to rumble?
I think the mistake that is being made in this discussion is the assumption that it is (tablets and touch screens) OR (keyboards and mice) implying that they are mutually exclusive. I believe in horses for courses, select the best technology available for the specific task. My son has a nexus tablet which he thinks is great but has a cover for it which is also a keyboard. Add a touch pad to the keyboard and you have a mouse substitute. I can see a future (in the near future) when we will see conventional desktop PCs doing the grunt work of creating content and tablets for consuming the content with hybrid machines where the detachable screen is a tablet for the in-between work. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000301ce464c$217d6d50$647847f0$@johnweller.co.uk ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Are you ready to rumble?
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:13 AM, John Weller j...@johnweller.co.uk wrote: I think the mistake that is being made in this discussion is the assumption that it is (tablets and touch screens) OR (keyboards and mice) implying that they are mutually exclusive. I believe in horses for courses, select the best technology available for the specific task. My son has a nexus tablet which he thinks is great but has a cover for it which is also a keyboard. Add a touch pad to the keyboard and you have a mouse substitute. I can see a future (in the near future) when we will see conventional desktop PCs doing the grunt work of creating content and tablets for consuming the content with hybrid machines where the detachable screen is a tablet for the in-between work. - Bingo. The conversation was started to try to find an opportunity to fill a void in Apps for a touch screen. Instead everyone just pissed on the ground marking their turf saying that IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN. Also this week same group said that old programmers are better than new ones because they know more over time. Too bad they don't stop to think more as well. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMYLhzx906Nf15Og+ZOipebD=BwVXjZ-Cj2EAAfmUq=s...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Are you ready to rumble?
They did NOT say that old programmers are better than new ones. They said that they had more wisdom. Very BIG difference. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 5:37 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: Are you ready to rumble? On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:13 AM, John Weller j...@johnweller.co.uk wrote: I think the mistake that is being made in this discussion is the assumption that it is (tablets and touch screens) OR (keyboards and mice) implying that they are mutually exclusive. I believe in horses for courses, select the best technology available for the specific task. My son has a nexus tablet which he thinks is great but has a cover for it which is also a keyboard. Add a touch pad to the keyboard and you have a mouse substitute. I can see a future (in the near future) when we will see conventional desktop PCs doing the grunt work of creating content and tablets for consuming the content with hybrid machines where the detachable screen is a tablet for the in-between work. - Bingo. The conversation was started to try to find an opportunity to fill a void in Apps for a touch screen. Instead everyone just pissed on the ground marking their turf saying that IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN. Also this week same group said that old programmers are better than new ones because they know more over time. Too bad they don't stop to think more as well. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/04be01ce465e$8ad2e430$a078ac90$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Worse than that. You become too old to work in software (other than self employed) when Microsoft says you are too old -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:05 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age So something becomes too old when Microsoft says it is? Al -Original Message- Well, some of us, when we find something, we quit looking for it. +1 Until it gets taken away from us... [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/04c701ce465f$3ed00260$bc700720$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Virgil Bierschwale vbier...@gmail.comwrote: Worse than that. You become too old to work in software (other than self employed) when Microsoft says you are too old - Who listens to Microsoft? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmyl+vnw0s2ytqtqc54ftwy36ax6ezajufr6xumssgvd...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Apparently zuckerberg and many other corporate executives. I'd bet that even your HR dept listens to them -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 6:52 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Virgil Bierschwale vbier...@gmail.comwrote: Worse than that. You become too old to work in software (other than self employed) when Microsoft says you are too old - Who listens to Microsoft? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/04dc01ce4662$e93e8110$8330$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Virgil Bierschwale vbier...@gmail.comwrote: Apparently zuckerberg and many other corporate executives. I'd bet that even your HR dept listens to them - You talk about age of employees by M$ being too old. Why would my HR department listen to them? You are not making sense here. M$ has their needs/demand for work and Ring Container has it's own needs. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMYJBU7id9NCT714i7ekebbWiSm18KK87eO8=b2fmqwk...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
ProFox List Statistics for April 2013
== ProFox List Statistics April 2013 == Subscriber Count at End of Month: ProFox: 252 ProFoxTech: 158 == Total Posts: 742 (Up 19.48% from March 2013) Total [OT] Posts: 60 (Up 76.47% from March 2013) Total [NF] Posts: 287 (Up 86.36% from March 2013) Daily Message Counts for April 2013 DOW Date Count --- - M 1 - 32 T 2 - 33 W 3 - 10 T 4 - 5 F 5 - 42 S 6 - 9 S 7 - 8 M 8 - 24 T 9 - 44 W10 - 42 T11 - 10 F12 - 14 S13 - 1 M15 - 32 T16 - 61 W17 - 27 T18 - 13 F19 - 27 S20 - 1 M22 - 36 T23 - 35 W24 - 58 T25 - 34 F26 - 47 S27 - 2 S28 - 9 M29 - 37 T30 - 49 Message Counts By Day of Week for April 2013 DOW Count --- - Sun - 17 Mon - 161 Tue - 222 Wed - 137 Thu - 62 Fri - 130 Sat - 13 Distinct Posters to the List (changes relative to March 2013) Non-OT messages: 71 (Up 4.41%) OT messages: 16 (Up 23.08%) NF messages: 44 (Up 12.82%) Total number: 72 (Up 1.41%) Top 20 Contributors by Number of Non-OT Posts |Posts Contributor | 1. 61Ken Dibble 2. 59Virgil Bierschwale 3. 56Kurt Wendt 4. 42Stephen Russell 5. 36Alan Bourke 6. 32Gene Wirchenko 7. 25Richard Kaye 8. 25MB Software Solutions, LLC 9. 22Dave Crozier 10. 20Ted Roche 11. 16Tracy Pearson 12. 15Mike Copeland 13. 14Dan Covill 14. 11Kurt @ VR-FX 15. 11AndyHC 16. 11Joe Yoder 17. 10Lew Schwartz 18. 10Rafael Copquin 19. 10Frank Cazabon 20.9Kurt Top 16 Contributors by Number of OT Posts |Posts OT% Contributor | 1. 1365% Michael Madigan 2.820% Gene Wirchenko 3.714% Stephen Russell 4.538% Pete Theisen 5.571% Nicholas Geti 6.4 6% Virgil Bierschwale 7.444% Adam Buckland 8.360% Eurico Chagas Filho 9.229% Vincent Teachout 10.220% Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 11.229% lelandj 12.133% Jerry Wolper 13.112% Jean MAURICE 14.1 100% Carl Lindner 15.1 4% Dave Crozier 16.110% Ricardo Aráoz Top 20 Contributors by Number of NF Posts |Posts Contributor | 1. 41Virgil Bierschwale 2. 29Ken Dibble 3. 25Stephen Russell 4. 15Gene Wirchenko 5. 15Alan Bourke 6. 10Dave Crozier 7. 10Mike Copeland 8.9Ted Roche 9.9Kurt Wendt 10.9MB Software Solutions, LLC 11.9Ricardo Aráoz 12.8Pete Theisen 13.8Joe Yoder 14.6Lew Schwartz 15.6Ed Leafe 16.6AndyHC 17.5Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 18.5Allen 19.5Dan Covill 20.5lelandj Top 20 Contributors by Total Number of Posts |Posts Contributor | 1. 63Virgil Bierschwale 2. 61Ken Dibble 3. 56Kurt Wendt 4. 49Stephen Russell 5. 40Gene Wirchenko 6. 36Alan Bourke 7. 25Richard Kaye 8. 25MB Software Solutions, LLC 9. 23Dave Crozier 10. 20Michael Madigan 11. 20Ted Roche 12. 16Tracy Pearson 13. 15Mike Copeland 14. 14Dan Covill 15. 13Pete Theisen 16. 11Kurt @ VR-FX 17. 11AndyHC 18. 11Joe Yoder 19. 10Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) 20. 10Lew Schwartz Top 20 Contributors by Number of New Threads Started |Posts Contributor | 1.7Gene Wirchenko 2.6Virgil Bierschwale 3.4Stephen Russell 4.4Kurt Wendt 5.3Ken Dibble 6.3MB Software Solutions, LLC 7.3Desmond Lloyd 8.2mbabc...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com 9.2James Harvey 10.2Vincent Teachout 11.2Michael Madigan 12.2Ricardo Aráoz 13.2
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
You need to step back and look at the big picture. All of the HR departments are adopting the same set of rules. The bigger ones will lead. The smaller ones will eventually fall in line. One of these days you will quit focusing on the object and realize that if you do not know what all of the pieces are doing, you are going to be on the receiving end of the fallout Simply because the very same rules that apply to software, apply to life as well -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:01 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Virgil Bierschwale vbier...@gmail.comwrote: Apparently zuckerberg and many other corporate executives. I'd bet that even your HR dept listens to them - You talk about age of employees by M$ being too old. Why would my HR department listen to them? You are not making sense here. M$ has their needs/demand for work and Ring Container has it's own needs. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/04e301ce4665$638f25d0$2aad7170$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Like a Fine Wine... :-) -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:16 AM Aging: it's value added. :) Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/37710B48A5504C239059286F62FC2756@Programming2 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Well, I think Microsoft's days are numbered. Windows 8 is a large pile of poo. It is lagging behind Android on the phone. Though I will say that if Samsung and others do not get their support in order people will work out they (phone manufacturers ) are rubbish. What this could also mean is once people realise Android is Linux, then maybe Linux will take off. All we need is decent visual studio like programs for Linux and it could be a going concern. Bye bye Microsoft. Al -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: 01 May 2013 13:30 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Worse than that. You become too old to work in software (other than self employed) when Microsoft says you are too old ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/002201ce466f$a4763ed0$ed62bc70$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Virgil Bierschwale vbier...@gmail.comwrote: You need to step back and look at the big picture. All of the HR departments are adopting the same set of rules. The bigger ones will lead. The smaller ones will eventually fall in line. One of these days you will quit focusing on the object and realize that if you do not know what all of the pieces are doing, you are going to be on the receiving end of the fallout Simply because the very same rules that apply to software, apply to life as well Sorry but I am lost in your description? Our HR department is not following M$ because our leadership had different ideas. I know that you know all things about all companies. Please give me more details. My company expects things of us that no other employer has ever stated. They desire improvement in all employees. To that they suggest all employees take part in physical activity daily by taking group walks. We have won awards for taking stands against heart disease and cancer. We lead the county's sustainability group and have started the recycle program. Just curious how you know so much about what we do? We only have one plant in TX and it is in Ft. Worth. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmyk2kgsgsuia3cughetjtzzjzuvr73q0uhobymknmpp...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Ever heard of the HR industry, and their associations? Here is a good place to start your research. http://www.ere.net/ -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:31 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Virgil Bierschwale vbier...@gmail.comwrote: You need to step back and look at the big picture. All of the HR departments are adopting the same set of rules. The bigger ones will lead. The smaller ones will eventually fall in line. One of these days you will quit focusing on the object and realize that if you do not know what all of the pieces are doing, you are going to be on the receiving end of the fallout Simply because the very same rules that apply to software, apply to life as well Sorry but I am lost in your description? Our HR department is not following M$ because our leadership had different ideas. I know that you know all things about all companies. Please give me more details. My company expects things of us that no other employer has ever stated. They desire improvement in all employees. To that they suggest all employees take part in physical activity daily by taking group walks. We have won awards for taking stands against heart disease and cancer. We lead the county's sustainability group and have started the recycle program. Just curious how you know so much about what we do? We only have one plant in TX and it is in Ft. Worth. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/052601ce4670$734c1310$59e43930$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Steve Are you now in DFW? I will be there in November Al -Original Message- Just curious how you know so much about what we do? We only have one plant in TX and it is in Ft. Worth. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/002901ce4671$1f689740$5e39c5c0$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
My sister-in-law and I spent an hour and a half trying to make sense of her new laptop with Windows 8 yesterday. It ended with my brother ordering a copy of Win 7 to put on it instead! Hail the new Vista. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 01 May 2013 14:28 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Well, I think Microsoft's days are numbered. Windows 8 is a large pile of poo. It is lagging behind Android on the phone. Though I will say that if Samsung and others do not get their support in order people will work out they (phone manufacturers ) are rubbish. What this could also mean is once people realise Android is Linux, then maybe Linux will take off. All we need is decent visual studio like programs for Linux and it could be a going concern. Bye bye Microsoft. Al ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/002701ce4676$433dec60$c9b9c520$@johnweller.co.uk ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
A friend of mine bought one. Set up the email for him. It showed that he was receiving the emails. But they were nowhere to be found. But to be fair, click on the desktop icon, install outlook and its basically running the same as always -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of John Weller Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:15 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age My sister-in-law and I spent an hour and a half trying to make sense of her new laptop with Windows 8 yesterday. It ended with my brother ordering a copy of Win 7 to put on it instead! Hail the new Vista. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 01 May 2013 14:28 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Well, I think Microsoft's days are numbered. Windows 8 is a large pile of poo. It is lagging behind Android on the phone. Though I will say that if Samsung and others do not get their support in order people will work out they (phone manufacturers ) are rubbish. What this could also mean is once people realise Android is Linux, then maybe Linux will take off. All we need is decent visual studio like programs for Linux and it could be a going concern. Bye bye Microsoft. Al [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/053201ce4676$c5ad0960$51071c20$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
LOL If I had a million, what makes you think I'd be trying to get more? I'd be building a boat or sailing it. El 30/04/13 13:47, Virgil Bierschwale escribió: I'm trying too.. Can't find investors though... Got a million you want to invest? I want to hire 3 developers, a dba, and a admin person, and myself -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:28 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Yup.. but none of you two old farts is doing the hiring. So suck it! ;cP El 30/04/13 06:08, Dave Crozier escribió: +1 -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: 29 April 2013 23:13 To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Amen. That is why I use the Master to Apprentice thing all the time. I don't care what field it is. Somebody that has been doing things for 40 years or more knows substantially more than a wet behind the ear kid with 4 years of theory and zero years of experience. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:45 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age And in counter-point, Older Is Wiser: Study Shows Software Developers' Skills Improve Over Time http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/wms-murphyhill-age-2013/ There is a perception in some tech circles that older programmers aren't able to keep pace with rapidly changing technology, and that they are discriminated against in the software field. But a new study from North Carolina State University indicates that the knowledge and skills of programmers actually improve over time - and that older programmers know as much (or more) than their younger peers when it comes to recent software platforms. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51812489.9070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Can't say I blame you. But there are many billions of people out there going through what I'm going through and somebody has to step up to the plate Just wish it weren't me as I have neither a pot to pee in nor a window to throw it out of grin -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:20 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age LOL If I had a million, what makes you think I'd be trying to get more? I'd be building a boat or sailing it. El 30/04/13 13:47, Virgil Bierschwale escribió: I'm trying too.. Can't find investors though... Got a million you want to invest? I want to hire 3 developers, a dba, and a admin person, and myself -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:28 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Yup.. but none of you two old farts is doing the hiring. So suck it! ;cP El 30/04/13 06:08, Dave Crozier escribió: +1 -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: 29 April 2013 23:13 To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Amen. That is why I use the Master to Apprentice thing all the time. I don't care what field it is. Somebody that has been doing things for 40 years or more knows substantially more than a wet behind the ear kid with 4 years of theory and zero years of experience. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:45 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age And in counter-point, Older Is Wiser: Study Shows Software Developers' Skills Improve Over Time http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/wms-murphyhill-age-2013/ There is a perception in some tech circles that older programmers aren't able to keep pace with rapidly changing technology, and that they are discriminated against in the software field. But a new study from North Carolina State University indicates that the knowledge and skills of programmers actually improve over time - and that older programmers know as much (or more) than their younger peers when it comes to recent software platforms. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/053601ce4677$539884c0$fac98e40$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Hate to tell you this, as I can see you are in a hard spot, and you mean well. But. There's always been many billions of people in that situation. And even worse. But you just didn't see it. Did you ever look down at them when you were up in the nice horse? Besides which, there is no plate to step up to. This is not an individual issue, this is a system's issue. As long as the system operates on the belief that it can keep misery the other side of the wall and pay no consequences at all (terrorism, economic bubbles, etc., prove that is a fallacy) this will keep getting worse. And Eloii will keep looking away and hoping Morlocks won't get to them. El 01/05/13 11:22, Virgil Bierschwale escribió: Can't say I blame you. But there are many billions of people out there going through what I'm going through and somebody has to step up to the plate Just wish it weren't me as I have neither a pot to pee in nor a window to throw it out of grin -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:20 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age LOL If I had a million, what makes you think I'd be trying to get more? I'd be building a boat or sailing it. El 30/04/13 13:47, Virgil Bierschwale escribió: I'm trying too.. Can't find investors though... Got a million you want to invest? I want to hire 3 developers, a dba, and a admin person, and myself -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:28 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Yup.. but none of you two old farts is doing the hiring. So suck it! ;cP El 30/04/13 06:08, Dave Crozier escribió: +1 -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: 29 April 2013 23:13 To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Amen. That is why I use the Master to Apprentice thing all the time. I don't care what field it is. Somebody that has been doing things for 40 years or more knows substantially more than a wet behind the ear kid with 4 years of theory and zero years of experience. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:45 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age And in counter-point, Older Is Wiser: Study Shows Software Developers' Skills Improve Over Time http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/wms-murphyhill-age-2013/ There is a perception in some tech circles that older programmers aren't able to keep pace with rapidly changing technology, and that they are discriminated against in the software field. But a new study from North Carolina State University indicates that the knowledge and skills of programmers actually improve over time - and that older programmers know as much (or more) than their younger peers when it comes to recent software platforms. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51812ab8.9020...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Yep, I hear you. And I know full well what you say is true. But somebody has to step up to the plate. Just got through reading an interesting article by Ron Unz. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/our-american-pravda/ I believe the system is cracking -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:46 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Hate to tell you this, as I can see you are in a hard spot, and you mean well. But. There's always been many billions of people in that situation. And even worse. But you just didn't see it. Did you ever look down at them when you were up in the nice horse? Besides which, there is no plate to step up to. This is not an individual issue, this is a system's issue. As long as the system operates on the belief that it can keep misery the other side of the wall and pay no consequences at all (terrorism, economic bubbles, etc., prove that is a fallacy) this will keep getting worse. And Eloii will keep looking away and hoping Morlocks won't get to them. El 01/05/13 11:22, Virgil Bierschwale escribió: Can't say I blame you. But there are many billions of people out there going through what I'm going through and somebody has to step up to the plate Just wish it weren't me as I have neither a pot to pee in nor a window to throw it out of grin -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:20 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age LOL If I had a million, what makes you think I'd be trying to get more? I'd be building a boat or sailing it. El 30/04/13 13:47, Virgil Bierschwale escribió: I'm trying too.. Can't find investors though... Got a million you want to invest? I want to hire 3 developers, a dba, and a admin person, and myself -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:28 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Yup.. but none of you two old farts is doing the hiring. So suck it! ;cP El 30/04/13 06:08, Dave Crozier escribió: +1 -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: 29 April 2013 23:13 To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Amen. That is why I use the Master to Apprentice thing all the time. I don't care what field it is. Somebody that has been doing things for 40 years or more knows substantially more than a wet behind the ear kid with 4 years of theory and zero years of experience. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:45 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age And in counter-point, Older Is Wiser: Study Shows Software Developers' Skills Improve Over Time http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/wms-murphyhill-age-2013/ There is a perception in some tech circles that older programmers aren't able to keep pace with rapidly changing technology, and that they are discriminated against in the software field. But a new study from North Carolina State University indicates that the knowledge and skills of programmers actually improve over time - and that older programmers know as much (or more) than their younger peers when it comes to recent software platforms. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/053701ce467b$0d4a54e0$27defea0$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Forgot. As a very young kid (just out of my junior year in high school), I had the great fortune to work in Port Gentil, Gabon, West Africa and to live in Aberdeen scotland and las palmas de grande canaria (spelling) Canary Islands. So yes, I have seen this all my life. Guess that is why I am like I am. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:46 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Hate to tell you this, as I can see you are in a hard spot, and you mean well. But. There's always been many billions of people in that situation. And even worse. But you just didn't see it. Did you ever look down at them when you were up in the nice horse? Besides which, there is no plate to step up to. This is not an individual issue, this is a system's issue. As long as the system operates on the belief that it can keep misery the other side of the wall and pay no consequences at all (terrorism, economic bubbles, etc., prove that is a fallacy) this will keep getting worse. And Eloii will keep looking away and hoping Morlocks won't get to them. El 01/05/13 11:22, Virgil Bierschwale escribió: Can't say I blame you. But there are many billions of people out there going through what I'm going through and somebody has to step up to the plate Just wish it weren't me as I have neither a pot to pee in nor a window to throw it out of grin -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:20 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age LOL If I had a million, what makes you think I'd be trying to get more? I'd be building a boat or sailing it. El 30/04/13 13:47, Virgil Bierschwale escribió: I'm trying too.. Can't find investors though... Got a million you want to invest? I want to hire 3 developers, a dba, and a admin person, and myself -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:28 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Yup.. but none of you two old farts is doing the hiring. So suck it! ;cP El 30/04/13 06:08, Dave Crozier escribió: +1 -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: 29 April 2013 23:13 To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Amen. That is why I use the Master to Apprentice thing all the time. I don't care what field it is. Somebody that has been doing things for 40 years or more knows substantially more than a wet behind the ear kid with 4 years of theory and zero years of experience. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:45 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age And in counter-point, Older Is Wiser: Study Shows Software Developers' Skills Improve Over Time http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/wms-murphyhill-age-2013/ There is a perception in some tech circles that older programmers aren't able to keep pace with rapidly changing technology, and that they are discriminated against in the software field. But a new study from North Carolina State University indicates that the knowledge and skills of programmers actually improve over time - and that older programmers know as much (or more) than their younger peers when it comes to recent software platforms. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/053d01ce467b$67d001d0$37700570$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote: Yes, I'm asking for money again. I'm doing a 70 mile ride (well, technically it's 69.1 miles) in 10 days 7 miles a day doesn't sound all that impressive g -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/capt54rbodvmij89m5sxc25igo1xrkh1jokikggrqnzypk66...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Southwest Fox 2013 Speakers and Sessions Announced
Speakers and sessions for Southwest Fox 2013 have been announced: http://www.swfox.net Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/08d501ce4681$dd776d00$98664700$@whitelightcomputing.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request
On May 1, 2013, at 10:37 AM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote: I'm doing a 70 mile ride (well, technically it's 69.1 miles) in 10 days 7 miles a day doesn't sound all that impressive g Well, when you put it that way, it doesn't sound very impressive to me either. But being a procrastinator, I'm sure I'll put it off until the last day and do all 70 at once. ;-) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5842e76b-a22c-4dd1-8389-84a0ce854...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [ADMIN] Donation Request
Ha ha - but, I think he meant in 10 days FROM Today... :-) -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of M Jarvis Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:38 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote: Yes, I'm asking for money again. I'm doing a 70 mile ride (well, technically it's 69.1 miles) in 10 days 7 miles a day doesn't sound all that impressive g -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/A38689C1501F48468E9BE2ADE53CC6B0@Programming2 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Ha ha - but, I think he meant in 10 days FROM Today... Thanks for the clarification Kurt -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAPT54rausoF6jhZuHjOM2t+hC5OGX54HiAccQc98W=2jewe...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [ADMIN] Donation Request
Well - as it is - seems I read it wrong you were Right - its spread across 10 days - as Ed just confirmed. Just goes to show - sometimes how something is written - can have ambiguous meanings... -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of M Jarvis Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:47 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Ha ha - but, I think he meant in 10 days FROM Today... Thanks for the clarification Kurt -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/0DBDEEC0907F4DD0A678B40942C537A3@Programming2 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request
Just to clarify: Matt and Ed are messing with you, Kurt. (Check out the gs) Just sayin' (even though I really don't know what that phrase means.) Ken On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Well - as it is - seems I read it wrong you were Right - its spread across 10 days - as Ed just confirmed. Just goes to show - sometimes how something is written - can have ambiguous meanings... -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of M Jarvis Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:47 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Ha ha - but, I think he meant in 10 days FROM Today... Thanks for the clarification Kurt -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAFyV=lmnn8xky6mlnh4vjj++ks1k4geduzdcen8nwon2cfh...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [ADMIN] Donation Request
That's why its so much fun hanging out here on this list!!! :-) -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 12:03 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request Just to clarify: Matt and Ed are messing with you, Kurt. (Check out the gs) Just sayin' (even though I really don't know what that phrase means.) Ken On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Well - as it is - seems I read it wrong you were Right - its spread across 10 days - as Ed just confirmed. Just goes to show - sometimes how something is written - can have ambiguous meanings... -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of M Jarvis Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:47 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Ha ha - but, I think he meant in 10 days FROM Today... Thanks for the clarification Kurt -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/581FFA17CFB2427EA2C85E6CEF7C4BC6@Programming2 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
On 5/1/13 6:27 AM, Allen wrote: Well, I think Microsoft's days are numbered. Windows 8 is a large pile of poo. It is lagging behind Android on the phone. Though I will say that if Samsung and others do not get their support in order people will work out they (phone manufacturers ) are rubbish. What this could also mean is once people realise Android is Linux, then maybe Linux will take off. All we need is decent visual studio like programs for Linux and it could be a going concern. Bye bye Microsoft. Replace Windows 8 with Windows Vista and Windows 98 and Windows ME and Windows 3.1 and the technologies that Microsoft was lagging behind in those eras. (Linux is everywhere already. Come join us if you want. Or don't. We understand.) :) Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5181427f.7060...@ulmcnett.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
On 5/1/13 7:46 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: There's always been many billions of people in that situation. And even worse. But you just didn't see it. Did you ever look down at them when you were up in the nice horse? Besides which, there is no plate to step up to. This is not an individual issue, this is a system's issue. As long as the system operates on the belief that it can keep misery the other side of the wall and pay no consequences at all (terrorism, economic bubbles, etc., prove that is a fallacy) this will keep getting worse. And Eloii will keep looking away and hoping Morlocks won't get to them. Word. The median worldwide net worth is $3700 USD. $75K USD puts you in the top 10% wealthiest in the world. Just by living in the developed world and barely getting by, we are very fortunate. Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/518144dd.30...@ulmcnett.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Amen When I was in vegas making 2,700 a week I had a guy ask me if I realized I was in the upper ? percent wage wise and I thought he was crazy as there were a lot making more than I was. Ten years later after studying all of the economic reports I can get my hands on, I realize he was right -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:38 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age On 5/1/13 7:46 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: There's always been many billions of people in that situation. And even worse. But you just didn't see it. Did you ever look down at them when you were up in the nice horse? Besides which, there is no plate to step up to. This is not an individual issue, this is a system's issue. As long as the system operates on the belief that it can keep misery the other side of the wall and pay no consequences at all (terrorism, economic bubbles, etc., prove that is a fallacy) this will keep getting worse. And Eloii will keep looking away and hoping Morlocks won't get to them. Word. The median worldwide net worth is $3700 USD. $75K USD puts you in the top 10% wealthiest in the world. Just by living in the developed world and barely getting by, we are very fortunate. Paul [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/059801ce468a$888d8410$99a88c30$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Hard to believe $75K puts us in the top 10% - since it seems like living in NYC/LI area - one can't barely get by when making $70K! :-( -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 12:38 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age On 5/1/13 7:46 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: There's always been many billions of people in that situation. And even worse. But you just didn't see it. Did you ever look down at them when you were up in the nice horse? Besides which, there is no plate to step up to. This is not an individual issue, this is a system's issue. As long as the system operates on the belief that it can keep misery the other side of the wall and pay no consequences at all (terrorism, economic bubbles, etc., prove that is a fallacy) this will keep getting worse. And Eloii will keep looking away and hoping Morlocks won't get to them. Word. The median worldwide net worth is $3700 USD. $75K USD puts you in the top 10% wealthiest in the world. Just by living in the developed world and barely getting by, we are very fortunate. Paul [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/68DCBE29FE294805B5C58FBA99A4FDA1@Programming2 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Here is a video that came across my desk yesterday that will show the difference that some of you might be interested in. http://vimeo.com/63373007 -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:40 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Hard to believe $75K puts us in the top 10% - since it seems like living in NYC/LI area - one can't barely get by when making $70K! :-( -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 12:38 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age On 5/1/13 7:46 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: There's always been many billions of people in that situation. And even worse. But you just didn't see it. Did you ever look down at them when you were up in the nice horse? Besides which, there is no plate to step up to. This is not an individual issue, this is a system's issue. As long as the system operates on the belief that it can keep misery the other side of the wall and pay no consequences at all (terrorism, economic bubbles, etc., prove that is a fallacy) this will keep getting worse. And Eloii will keep looking away and hoping Morlocks won't get to them. Word. The median worldwide net worth is $3700 USD. $75K USD puts you in the top 10% wealthiest in the world. Just by living in the developed world and barely getting by, we are very fortunate. Paul [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/059901ce468a$ed55d6e0$c80184a0$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
On 5/1/13 9:42 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Here is a video that came across my desk yesterday that will show the difference that some of you might be interested in. http://vimeo.com/63373007 That's my bike route. I drive 50 miles from Hollister to South San Jose and then cycle 8 miles up Guadalupe River through downtown by those homeless camps underneath the bridges and then up past the airport and into sprawling office parks in North San Jose packed with Mercedes and BMW's. The juxtaposition is staggering. Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51814870.8080...@ulmcnett.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
What is sad is between all of us (tech types that is), we have the skills to find a way to resolve this and make it better for all. Yet we point fingers like two spoiled brats saying my side is better than your side? Took me a long time (ten years)to understand this game of musical countries and what it is doing to the country. Makes me realize how naïve I was -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:53 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age On 5/1/13 9:42 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote: Here is a video that came across my desk yesterday that will show the difference that some of you might be interested in. http://vimeo.com/63373007 That's my bike route. I drive 50 miles from Hollister to South San Jose and then cycle 8 miles up Guadalupe River through downtown by those homeless camps underneath the bridges and then up past the airport and into sprawling office parks in North San Jose packed with Mercedes and BMW's. The juxtaposition is staggering. Paul [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/05a301ce468c$c6a215c0$53e64140$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
If there was a visual studio for Linux I might. I'm not a python fellow however Al -Original Message- Replace Windows 8 with Windows Vista and Windows 98 and Windows ME and Windows 3.1 and the technologies that Microsoft was lagging behind in those eras. (Linux is everywhere already. Come join us if you want. Or don't. We understand.) :) Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/005f01ce4690$1b679050$5236b0f0$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
You can't make it better if those at the bottom don't want to bother. Al -Original Message- What is sad is between all of us (tech types that is), we have the skills to find a way to resolve this and make it better for all. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/006001ce4690$894c5880$9be50980$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Not sure I buy that. Unemployment in America is 23%. In spain it is what? 25% or greater. It would seem to me that these people are bothering now and a lot of them are at the bottom For instance, I have a project I've been trying to get funded that uses the following: Zoning for solar power to keep costs low Water storage for water Fish farming and square foot gardening for food All of this under one roof with technology to manage it all If something like that were made possible, even though it would not take care of the mad money portion, it would take care of the food and shelter and utilities which many of us are going to need if we keep on this path where we send our high paying jobs to other countries that bid the lowest -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 12:23 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age You can't make it better if those at the bottom don't want to bother. Al -Original Message- What is sad is between all of us (tech types that is), we have the skills to find a way to resolve this and make it better for all. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/05c201ce4691$35ac0030$a1040090$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
At 15:46 2013-04-30, Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com wrote: On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:05 PM, Gene Wirchenko ge...@telus.net wrote: Ironic that this is quoted on a VFP list. ;-) Well, some of us, when we find something, we quit looking for it. Which directly contradicts the study's findings: that older workers continue to learn about more recent improvements, rather than acting as though the state of the art is fixed in time. Not directly. We have found something that works so we use it and continue to use it as long as it does work for us. That does not mean that I will not use other tools that I find useful. In another area, I learned to use a spoon, fork, and knife at an early age, and I continue to use them. That did not stop me from learning to use chopsticks. Some people flit from system to system. That does have a cost. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/ ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Are you ready to rumble?
At 16:13 2013-04-30, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 4/30/2013 5:37 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: Today's young professional doesn't really need a keyboard, they have been texting for at least 10 years. Damn kids. GET OFF MY LAWN! That is the low-tech version. The high-tech version might be: Get out of my coffee shop. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/ ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Are you ready to rumble?
At 17:49 2013-04-30, Ken Dibble krdib...@stny.rr.com wrote: Voice recognition should be fine in no time at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ It's not just about dictating text and having the computer type it. That's going to be reasonably fast, once one has the computer trained to recognize one's voice. However, there are many things one can do on a computer via mouse and/or keyboard in much less time than it would take you to tell the computer how to do it using your voice. Various CAD and desktop publishing applications come to mind. User interfaces are very important. Personally, I find touchpads to be very awkward. Many of my mouse actions are point-and-click. With a mouse, it is simple. With a touchpad, I have to move my finger around and then move it around to click the button. (Due to my dry hands, clicking on the pad is not reliable. I have actually caused clicks on my touchpad when I was not touching the touchpad but had my finger just above.) Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/ ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
At 17:53 2013-04-30, Ken Dibble krdib...@stny.rr.com wrote: At 06:05 PM 4/30/2013, you wrote: At 15:00 2013-04-30, Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com wrote: On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote: There is a perception in some tech circles that older programmers aren't able to keep pace with rapidly changing technology, and that they are discriminated against in the software field. But a new study from North Carolina State University indicates that the knowledge and skills of programmers actually improve over time and that older programmers know as much (or more) than their younger peers when it comes to recent software platforms. Ironic that this is quoted on a VFP list. ;-) Well, some of us, when we find something, we quit looking for it. +1 Until it gets taken away from us... Have I whined^Wwritten here yet about my 16-bit utilities that do not run natively under Windows 7? Consider it done. Thank you Microsoft for breaking some of my important development tools. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/ ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request
At 08:39 2013-05-01, Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com wrote: On May 1, 2013, at 10:37 AM, M Jarvis brewda...@gmail.com wrote: I'm doing a 70 mile ride (well, technically it's 69.1 miles) in 10 days 7 miles a day doesn't sound all that impressive g Well, when you put it that way, it doesn't sound very impressive to me either. But being a procrastinator, I'm sure I'll put it off until the last ^^ Hmmph! You can't even spell the word programmer. day and do all 70 at once. ;-) Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/ ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013
At 10:01 2013-05-01, List Administrator Account list...@leafe.com wrote: == ProFox List Statistics April 2013 [snip] Total Posts: 742 (Up 19.48% from March 2013) Ed, I suggest adding stats here about the number of non-[OT], non-[NF] posts (i.e. the main business of this list). Total [OT] Posts: 60 (Up 76.47% from March 2013) Total [NF] Posts: 287 (Up 86.36% from March 2013) [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/ ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
That's my bike route. I drive 50 miles from Hollister to South San Jose and then cycle 8 miles up Guadalupe River through downtown by those homeless camps underneath the bridges and then up past the airport and into sprawling office parks in North San Jose packed with Mercedes and BMW's. The juxtaposition is staggering. Please don't take this as any sort of derision against the homeless I'm guessing our situation here in Eugene is 'better' for these folks than in almost all other places... A couple years I ago I volunteered for the overnight shift at a warming center (when it drops below 38 or so they open various churches and buildings basements etc) to the homeless... get there early and you have a warm place to sleep... drift in later on, you have a warm place to sit. This one guy comes in 3 hours after the shelter was up and running (no room at the inn), and went off on the staff demanding this, demanding that, basically wanting to be outfitted with everything needed to live on the streets... this other dude, a young guy that said he was homeless by choice, starts telling him where he can get a free place to sleep, a free hot shower, a free meal, free clothes, free laudnry services, free haircut. guy blows it off saying he doesn't have time for all that sh!t I was really shocked that all these services were available, for free, but not good enough for this guy... -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAPT54raeLt6JXBhLaU0HGFuMY4xF1fzCiVi0gPA0=nm6__g...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
I've been studying the percentages in America and comparing them against china and india. We have about 47% that are 1040 based We have about 13% that are self employed We have about 13% that are retired The remaining 23% are children and something else that escapes my mind at the moment. After studying the Chinese papers for some time I find that their percentages match as well. And if you really study it, the education percentages are basically a match across all three countries. Sadly there will always be x percent that will never get it. In this man's defense though, he might be scared and trying to bluster his way through something that he has never experienced in his life. But he might be a idiot as well. -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of M Jarvis Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 12:59 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age That's my bike route. I drive 50 miles from Hollister to South San Jose and then cycle 8 miles up Guadalupe River through downtown by those homeless camps underneath the bridges and then up past the airport and into sprawling office parks in North San Jose packed with Mercedes and BMW's. The juxtaposition is staggering. Please don't take this as any sort of derision against the homeless I'm guessing our situation here in Eugene is 'better' for these folks than in almost all other places... A couple years I ago I volunteered for the overnight shift at a warming center (when it drops below 38 or so they open various churches and buildings basements etc) to the homeless... get there early and you have a warm place to sleep... drift in later on, you have a warm place to sit. This one guy comes in 3 hours after the shelter was up and running (no room at the inn), and went off on the staff demanding this, demanding that, basically wanting to be outfitted with everything needed to live on the streets... this other dude, a young guy that said he was homeless by choice, starts telling him where he can get a free place to sleep, a free hot shower, a free meal, free clothes, free laudnry services, free haircut. guy blows it off saying he doesn't have time for all that sh!t I was really shocked that all these services were available, for free, but not good enough for this guy... -- Matt Jarvis Eugene, Oregon USA [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/05e701ce4696$47d6eef0$d784ccd0$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
On 5/1/13 10:58 AM, M Jarvis wrote: I was really shocked that all these services were available, for free, but not good enough for this guy... I wonder how much of the homeless problem comes down to mental health. I have to admit I have a hunch being homeless by choice could be a very satisfying path overall. I've had a few transient periods in my life and I tend to look back at them fondly even though they were hard at the time. Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51815af2.1080...@ulmcnett.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Good point. I camped out one time for about 90 days on 30 acres in between contracts. Loved it But I also wonder about the girl in the video that looks like a druggie now. If she is, could that come from the destitution of having no way out when your job was sent offshore? For nearly ten years now I've been unable to find steady work. Used to think it was only me, but I've heard from many because of my work at KAAW that are experiencing the same. Many have impeccable credentials where as I chose to go into the military and turned my nose up at the certifications. Bottom line, ten years camping out like the Nearings can be wonderful if that is what you want to do. But ten years of your life gone and no way to get back to work when this lifestyle is forced on you can really mess up your head. For me, KAAW has been my therapy -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:12 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age On 5/1/13 10:58 AM, M Jarvis wrote: I was really shocked that all these services were available, for free, but not good enough for this guy... I wonder how much of the homeless problem comes down to mental health. I have to admit I have a hunch being homeless by choice could be a very satisfying path overall. I've had a few transient periods in my life and I tend to look back at them fondly even though they were hard at the time. Paul [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/05fd01ce4698$01c53dc0$054fb940$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Was not really referring to the USA or Spain Al -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: 01 May 2013 19:28 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Not sure I buy that. Unemployment in America is 23%. In spain it is what? 25% or greater. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/006a01ce4698$caffad10$60ff0730$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
On 05/01/13 10:39 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: Have I whined^Wwritten here yet about my 16-bit utilities that do not run natively under Windows 7? Consider it done. Thank you Microsoft for breaking some of my important development tools. Believe it or not, the 16-bit utilities DO work in Windows 7, so long as you have the 32-bit version! My mechanic runs a 20-year-old FP-DOS app I built for him. I told him I couldn't test it any more because it wouldn't run under Windows 7. He went digging in Google, found out how to do it, bought a copy of Win7-32, installed it, and Voila! I was dumfounded. That is also true for Win 8, although there is something in the setup you have to enable/unlock first. Dan Covill ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51816154.8000...@san.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
On 5/1/13 11:39 AM, Dan Covill wrote: On 05/01/13 10:39 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: Have I whined^Wwritten here yet about my 16-bit utilities that do not run natively under Windows 7? Consider it done. Thank you Microsoft for breaking some of my important development tools. Believe it or not, the 16-bit utilities DO work in Windows 7, so long as you have the 32-bit version! My mechanic runs a 20-year-old FP-DOS app I built for him. I told him I couldn't test it any more because it wouldn't run under Windows 7. He went digging in Google, found out how to do it, bought a copy of Win7-32, installed it, and Voila! I was dumfounded. That is also true for Win 8, although there is something in the setup you have to enable/unlock first. I think I'd run the app in a virtual machine running DOS or whatever OS the original application targeted. Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51816292.1010...@ulmcnett.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
I installed a dll recently and windows 8 32 bit asked if I wanted to enable 16 bit. Just said yes of all worked. Al -Original Message- Believe it or not, the 16-bit utilities DO work in Windows 7, so long as you have the 32-bit version! My mechanic runs a 20-year-old FP-DOS app I built for him. I told him I couldn't test it any more because it wouldn't run under Windows 7. He went digging in Google, found out how to do it, bought a copy of Win7-32, installed it, and Voila! I was dumfounded. That is also true for Win 8, although there is something in the setup you have to enable/unlock first. Dan Covill ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/006e01ce469c$f60c8060$e2258120$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
A couple years ago - I read this book that was suggested by this Shrink woman I know - she raved about the book - how wonderful it was. It was quite eye opening. It was written by this woman - and growing up for the most part homeless - and that's the way her parents liked it. In the end - even though she ended up making it - and having an appt. paying job - and she invited her parents to live with her - she was in NYC by then - the parents pretty much refused! Very, VERY Intense read! I think the book was title Glass House or Glass Castle - something like that... -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:12 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age On 5/1/13 10:58 AM, M Jarvis wrote: I was really shocked that all these services were available, for free, but not good enough for this guy... I wonder how much of the homeless problem comes down to mental health. I have to admit I have a hunch being homeless by choice could be a very satisfying path overall. I've had a few transient periods in my life and I tend to look back at them fondly even though they were hard at the time. Paul [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/B6D88315F8394E2182C24B06110CD520@Programming2 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Virgil - just curious - in regards to the comments of your's I highlighted below. You mentioned Worked at KAAW. But, I had been assuming lately that KAAW was your own organization/website - as opposed to someone else's outfit - for which you work. So - is it all of your own doing??? Again - just curious... -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:17 PM ... but I've heard from many because of my work at KAAW that are experiencing the same. For me, KAAW has been my therapy ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/0359B0389FBB4BAD9ACBEB50923B3429@Programming2 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote: I'm doing a 70 mile ride (well, technically it's 69.1 miles) in 10 days... Well, that's not very fast... Don't go too fast but I go pretty far... g,dr -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CACW6n4uDiNU5LVs5LahJ4SxP-URc7T_xQOshj=r6bmky3jq...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote: Yes, I'm asking for money again. I'm doing a 70 mile ride (well, technically it's 69.1 miles) in 10 days to help raise money to raise money for Diabetes research. And just like my ride a few months ago, I'm looking to the ProFox community to help me reach the fundraising goal of $200. Given the amazing generosity you showed last time, I have no doubt that we can reach that. And you've reached your goal! -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CACW6n4s1DQtkMbU3sAtwcfSJsmz-UX+HEEgz+jBc+Um5OQru=a...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Keep America At Work - Virgil's own undertaking I believe. Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 On May 1, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Virgil - just curious - in regards to the comments of your's I highlighted below. You mentioned Worked at KAAW. But, I had been assuming lately that KAAW was your own organization/website - as opposed to someone else's outfit - for which you work. So - is it all of your own doing??? Again - just curious... -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:17 PM ... but I've heard from many because of my work at KAAW that are experiencing the same. For me, KAAW has been my therapy [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/aee272ca-ad80-4526-96f0-e24df2b01...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
I read that last summer. Her Dad was nuts and Mom went along for the ride. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: A couple years ago - I read this book that was suggested by this Shrink woman I know - she raved about the book - how wonderful it was. It was quite eye opening. It was written by this woman - and growing up for the most part homeless - and that's the way her parents liked it. In the end - even though she ended up making it - and having an appt. paying job - and she invited her parents to live with her - she was in NYC by then - the parents pretty much refused! Very, VERY Intense read! I think the book was title Glass House or Glass Castle - something like that... -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:12 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age On 5/1/13 10:58 AM, M Jarvis wrote: I was really shocked that all these services were available, for free, but not good enough for this guy... I wonder how much of the homeless problem comes down to mental health. I have to admit I have a hunch being homeless by choice could be a very satisfying path overall. I've had a few transient periods in my life and I tend to look back at them fondly even though they were hard at the time. Paul [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMYJYqX89suGLn18iyEVSXvNBS=7biex9hvbh16ms5kr...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request
On May 1, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote: And you've reached your goal! Thank you to all of the generous people on ProFox - I knew that I could count on you all to help with this worthy cause! Of course, the goal was the *minimum*... ;-) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/b6170c16-9d70-42c9-b492-e0d19de82...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
I want to: SELECT ; dates, ; COUNT (amount) as CNT ; FROM data ; WHERE dates = BETWEEN(dates, dates, dates + 20) = .T. ; GROUP BY 1 ; ORDER BY 1 I also tried instead of the WHERE clause: HAVING BETWEEN(dates,dates,dates + 20 ) = .T. Each dates has a number of amount records. I want to make a count of the number of records for every 21 day range. Thank you. -- -- *Charles* -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51816bb5.80...@uc.edu ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Did I get the Title right? And - yeah - the Dad was the more Nuts. It was Definitely an INTENSE Read - Read like Fiction - yet, going into the book - you know it was Factual. -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:20 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age I read that last summer. Her Dad was nuts and Mom went along for the ride. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: A couple years ago - I read this book that was suggested by this Shrink woman I know - she raved about the book - how wonderful it was. It was quite eye opening. It was written by this woman - and growing up for the most part homeless - and that's the way her parents liked it. In the end - even though she ended up making it - and having an appt. paying job - and she invited her parents to live with her - she was in NYC by then - the parents pretty much refused! Very, VERY Intense read! I think the book was title Glass House or Glass Castle - something like that... -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:12 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age On 5/1/13 10:58 AM, M Jarvis wrote: I was really shocked that all these services were available, for free, but not good enough for this guy... I wonder how much of the homeless problem comes down to mental health. I have to admit I have a hunch being homeless by choice could be a very satisfying path overall. I've had a few transient periods in my life and I tend to look back at them fondly even though they were hard at the time. Paul [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/FC74897A2F984CAC9EE76954E9A6C9FA@Programming2 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
I figured it was as well - but, the wording he did in the posting made it sound like he was working for someone else. Sorry to speak of you in the 3rd person Virgil... Anyway - was just curious... Good thing I'm not a Cat! -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Oke, II Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:13 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Keep America At Work - Virgil's own undertaking I believe. Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 On May 1, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Virgil - just curious - in regards to the comments of your's I highlighted below. You mentioned Worked at KAAW. But, I had been assuming lately that KAAW was your own organization/website - as opposed to someone else's outfit - for which you work. So - is it all of your own doing??? Again - just curious... -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:17 PM ... but I've heard from many because of my work at KAAW that are experiencing the same. For me, KAAW has been my therapy [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/C726A6A038504DABAA3504B3AFB5C168@Programming2 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013
Hmm, let's see: 742 - (60 + 287) = ?? --- Oh, that is way too hard. g I also question the premise. Sure, the list was started as a Foxpro resource. But now? Of the people still hanging on, I suspect it is more for the virtual friendships we have made. I'm surprised how many actual VFP issues there actually are. How many of us still rely on the Fox as our primary development tool? How many of us spend the majority of our day working in it? Of those, is there anyone actually building new programs with it? Most must be adding features to legacy apps or trying to un-break stuff that M$ breaks. I sure don't touch it much. I have several VFP apps I wrote in back in the early 90s that are still in use. Every once in a while, one of those folks asks me a question, most likely something like I can't remember how to configure a workstation. I have my own billing/scheduling system I wrote 20+ years ago. I have one client (for which I do a project once per year) which I wrote in VFP. Other than that, I just don't touch it. You? Ken On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Gene Wirchenko ge...@telus.net wrote: At 10:01 2013-05-01, List Administrator Account list...@leafe.com wrote: ==** ProFox List Statistics April 2013 [snip] Total Posts: 742 (Up 19.48% from March 2013) Ed, I suggest adding stats here about the number of non-[OT], non-[NF] posts (i.e. the main business of this list). Total [OT] Posts: 60 (Up 76.47% from March 2013) Total [NF] Posts: 287 (Up 86.36% from March 2013) [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko __**_ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/**listinfo/profoxhttp://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/** listinfo/profoxtech http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/**search/profoxhttp://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/**byMID/profox/http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/ ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAFyV=L=WXhhrjG4u1x6KX6ZCx8t0mf=+ddtoecpot10v_qf...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [ADMIN] Donation Request
A Melanie quote! -- rk -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:08 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request Don't go too fast but I go pretty far... g,dr -- Ted Roche ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/DF1EEF11E586A64FB54A97F22A8BD0442190E51CC7@ACKBWDDQH1.artfact.local ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
WHERE dates BETWEEN startdate AND enddate is the canonical SQL phrase. I'm not sure it works in all versions of FoxPro. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP charles.en...@uc.edu wrote: I want to: SELECT ; dates, ; COUNT (amount) as CNT ; FROM data ; WHERE dates = BETWEEN(dates, dates, dates + 20) = .T. ; GROUP BY 1 ; ORDER BY 1 I also tried instead of the WHERE clause: HAVING BETWEEN(dates,dates,dates + 20 ) = .T. Each dates has a number of amount records. I want to make a count of the number of records for every 21 day range. Thank you. -- -- *Charles* -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~**enzerch/http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%**7Eenzerch/http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- __**_ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/**listinfo/profoxhttp://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/** listinfo/profoxtech http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/**search/profoxhttp://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/**byMID/profox/51816BB5.80103@** uc.edu http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51816bb5.80...@uc.edu ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Report [OT] Abuse: http://leafe.com/reportAbuse/**51816bb5.80...@uc.eduhttp://leafe.com/reportAbuse/51816bb5.80...@uc.edu -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CACW6n4sYDCR1oJqTsshT13+bOtAsGE76HDaqVEc7n=jxjkb...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013
Wow Ken - your seriously Threw me into the Minority group! Yeah - I do VFP by day - although - if I truly had my way - which I hope I can do soon enough - I'd rather be doing all Rapid prototyping/3D Printer work by day! As its MUCH More fun to me - and doing 3D CG Design - than programming... :- -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:27 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013 Hmm, let's see: 742 - (60 + 287) = ?? --- Oh, that is way too hard. g I also question the premise. Sure, the list was started as a Foxpro resource. But now? Of the people still hanging on, I suspect it is more for the virtual friendships we have made. I'm surprised how many actual VFP issues there actually are. How many of us still rely on the Fox as our primary development tool? How many of us spend the majority of our day working in it? Of those, is there anyone actually building new programs with it? Most must be adding features to legacy apps or trying to un-break stuff that M$ breaks. I sure don't touch it much. I have several VFP apps I wrote in back in the early 90s that are still in use. Every once in a while, one of those folks asks me a question, most likely something like I can't remember how to configure a workstation. I have my own billing/scheduling system I wrote 20+ years ago. I have one client (for which I do a project once per year) which I wrote in VFP. Other than that, I just don't touch it. You? Ken On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Gene Wirchenko ge...@telus.net wrote: At 10:01 2013-05-01, List Administrator Account list...@leafe.com wrote: ==** ProFox List Statistics April 2013 [snip] Total Posts: 742 (Up 19.48% from March 2013) Ed, I suggest adding stats here about the number of non-[OT], non-[NF] posts (i.e. the main business of this list). Total [OT] Posts: 60 (Up 76.47% from March 2013) Total [NF] Posts: 287 (Up 86.36% from March 2013) [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko __**_ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/**listinfo/profoxhttp://mail.leafe.com/mailma n/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/** listinfo/profoxtech http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/**search/profoxhttp://leafe.com/archives/search/p rofox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/**byMID/profox/http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/pr ofox/ ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/B197FF7454704CF9A9F12FFD23E8474F@Programming2 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Allen pro...@gatwicksoftware.com wrote: Well, I think Microsoft's days are numbered. All things made by man have numbered days. Windows 8 is a large pile of poo. Which differentiates it from Microsoft Vista, Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, how, exactly? This is a pattern, not an anomaly. It is lagging behind Android on the phone. Which in turn is lagging behind Apple iOS. Your point? MS has more experience shipping bad tablet OSes than any other vendor out there. Though I will say that if Samsung and others do not get their support in order people will work out they (phone manufacturers ) are rubbish. Phone OEMs sell disposable consumer devices, not personal general-purpose computers. Disruptive companies (Apple iPhone, Google Nexus) sell general-purpose computers with phones in them. What this could also mean is once people realise Android is Linux, then maybe Linux will take off. You mean, like, become the dominant OS on the Internet? (Done.) on routers? (Done.) BSD with a proprietary desktop (Apple). All we need is decent visual studio like programs for Linux and it could be a going concern. Bye bye Microsoft. I'm sorry, a decent visual studio? Have you seen one yet? I'd argue Komodo (http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide) or Eclipse are competitive, though I don't use either. I don't think IDEs are relevant for the kind of development I do. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cacw6n4u1hwimhaqbwct6a6zxx6vh0mjuiuqn7mzbvuonbks...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
All mine. All 20,000 plus hours. The original intent was to get my name in front of people so I could get back to work. What has happened is I have heard from many of the people that are going through what I am and working together, we put together the BIG PICTURE and documented it at http://keepamericaatwork.com/significant-milestones Think of these as the Touch Points between systems. It has now led to : http://www.MomAndPopAds.com (in progress) http://www.BuriedWhere.com (would like to develop in VFP with Google Maps API and a sql server back end just to make a point) http://www.FAUFF.com (Food and Utilities For Free) found the property, just about have the deal worked out, but need a little bit better job (one that pays) to finalize the deal For what it is worth, work does not have to be paid to be meaningful, but it sure would be nice grin -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Wendt Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:04 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age Virgil - just curious - in regards to the comments of your's I highlighted below. You mentioned Worked at KAAW. But, I had been assuming lately that KAAW was your own organization/website - as opposed to someone else's outfit - for which you work. So - is it all of your own doing??? Again - just curious... -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Virgil Bierschwale Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:17 PM ... but I've heard from many because of my work at KAAW that are experiencing the same. For me, KAAW has been my therapy [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/063401ce46a3$59c5ec80$0d51c580$@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
For one thing, I liked XP and 7. 8 would be ok if they had left the start menu as an alternative and left out those cruddy apps. Mail is the worse mail prog I have seen. IOS is awful too. That's why I mentioned Android and not apples do what we say OS. The point was that Android could do a lot of good for Linux on the desktop. And no I won't touch apple. I already wasted my money on an ipants. Well good for you if that's what you want. I like VS and I would say so do many other people. If something came up on Linux making programming easier (for me) I would certainly think on it. Sorry not to crop but the email needs to be intact this time. Al -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: 01 May 2013 21:33 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Allen pro...@gatwicksoftware.com wrote: Well, I think Microsoft's days are numbered. All things made by man have numbered days. Windows 8 is a large pile of poo. Which differentiates it from Microsoft Vista, Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, how, exactly? This is a pattern, not an anomaly. It is lagging behind Android on the phone. Which in turn is lagging behind Apple iOS. Your point? MS has more experience shipping bad tablet OSes than any other vendor out there. Though I will say that if Samsung and others do not get their support in order people will work out they (phone manufacturers ) are rubbish. Phone OEMs sell disposable consumer devices, not personal general-purpose computers. Disruptive companies (Apple iPhone, Google Nexus) sell general-purpose computers with phones in them. What this could also mean is once people realise Android is Linux, then maybe Linux will take off. You mean, like, become the dominant OS on the Internet? (Done.) on routers? (Done.) BSD with a proprietary desktop (Apple). All we need is decent visual studio like programs for Linux and it could be a going concern. Bye bye Microsoft. I'm sorry, a decent visual studio? Have you seen one yet? I'd argue Komodo (http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide) or Eclipse are competitive, though I don't use either. I don't think IDEs are relevant for the kind of development I do. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/007601ce46a3$d7af3340$870d99c0$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013
On May 1, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) foxh...@information-architecture.com wrote: I also question the premise. Sure, the list was started as a Foxpro resource. But now? Of the people still hanging on, I suspect it is more for the virtual friendships we have made. I'm surprised how many actual VFP issues there actually are. How many of us still rely on the Fox as our primary development tool? How many of us spend the majority of our day working in it? Of those, is there anyone actually building new programs with it? Most must be adding features to legacy apps or trying to un-break stuff that M$ breaks. Good questions. How about we find out? http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/F3SHBB6 It will take you all of a minute to complete. I'll give it a few days and then post the results here. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/c36fcd21-2b60-49ef-9e06-e1de2e5d8...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013
OH Man - Now that was a FAST One Ed! Or - was this survey something you had been working on for a little while - and just decided to publish today? I shall look at doing the survey tomorrow during my lunch break. I look forward to see what you put into it! -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:44 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013 On May 1, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) foxh...@information-architecture.com wrote: I also question the premise. Sure, the list was started as a Foxpro resource. But now? Of the people still hanging on, I suspect it is more for the virtual friendships we have made. I'm surprised how many actual VFP issues there actually are. How many of us still rely on the Fox as our primary development tool? How many of us spend the majority of our day working in it? Of those, is there anyone actually building new programs with it? Most must be adding features to legacy apps or trying to un-break stuff that M$ breaks. Good questions. How about we find out? http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/F3SHBB6 It will take you all of a minute to complete. I'll give it a few days and then post the results here. -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/D375011A71A94F49871DD00881970436@Programming2 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013
On May 1, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: Or - was this survey something you had been working on for a little while - and just decided to publish today? It took about 5 minutes to create. Surveymonkey rocks! -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/0e6d5085-55b2-45d7-a023-f86105c62...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
On 05/01/13 11:44 AM, Paul McNett wrote: On 5/1/13 11:39 AM, Dan Covill wrote: On 05/01/13 10:39 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: Have I whined^Wwritten here yet about my 16-bit utilities that do not run natively under Windows 7? Consider it done. Thank you Microsoft for breaking some of my important development tools. Believe it or not, the 16-bit utilities DO work in Windows 7, so long as you have the 32-bit version! My mechanic runs a 20-year-old FP-DOS app I built for him. I told him I couldn't test it any more because it wouldn't run under Windows 7. He went digging in Google, found out how to do it, bought a copy of Win7-32, installed it, and Voila! I was dumfounded. That is also true for Win 8, although there is something in the setup you have to enable/unlock first. I think I'd run the app in a virtual machine running DOS or whatever OS the original application targeted. Paul We tried that, Paul, but we couldn't get the printing to work. It used the HPL laserjet command set thru a serial port, and the XP Mode did nothing. He found out how to disable the printer driver for the Serial port (in Win7-32) and then everything worked! Dan ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51817409.8080...@san.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
On 05/01/13 12:33 PM, Ted Roche wrote: Windows 8 is a large pile of poo. Which differentiates it from Microsoft Vista, Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, how, exactly? This is a pattern, not an anomaly. Terrific, Ted! Dan ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5181754b.7070...@san.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
Dear Ted: Thank you for replying. I am trying to get aTable of amounts over a 21 day period. I think that the problem is theEnddate: Gluctmp1.date + 20 Even though [Gluctmp1.date + 20] is a valid date, SELECT I get the [unrecognized command] error with this: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; Gluctmp1.date BETWEEN Gluctmp1.date AND (Gluctmp1.date + 20) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date -- Charles -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** On 5/1/2013 3:32 PM, Ted Roche wrote: WHERE dates BETWEEN startdate AND enddate is the canonical SQL phrase. I'm not sure it works in all versions of FoxPro. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP charles.en...@uc.edu wrote: I want to: SELECT ; dates, ; COUNT (amount) as CNT ; FROM data ; WHERE dates = BETWEEN(dates, dates, dates + 20) = .T. ; GROUP BY 1 ; ORDER BY 1 I also tried instead of the WHERE clause: HAVING BETWEEN(dates,dates,dates + 20 ) = .T. Each dates has a number of amount records. I want to make a count of the number of records for every 21 day range. Thank you. -- -- *Charles* -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~**enzerch/http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%**7Eenzerch/http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- __**_ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/**listinfo/profoxhttp://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/** listinfo/profoxtech http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/**search/profoxhttp://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/**byMID/profox/51816BB5.80103@** uc.edu http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51816bb5.80...@uc.edu ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Report [OT] Abuse: http://leafe.com/reportAbuse/**51816bb5.80...@uc.eduhttp://leafe.com/reportAbuse/51816bb5.80...@uc.edu --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51817a54.2020...@uc.edu ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
If this is a VFP select statement, then try this out. LOCAL ldStartDate, ldEndDate ldStartDate = DATE()-20 ldEndDate = DATE() SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; AND BETWEEN( Gluctmp1.date, ldStartDate, ldEndDate ) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date ; ORDER BY Gluctmp1.date ; INTO CURSOR c_Gluctmp1 On 05/01/2013 04:25 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP wrote: Dear Ted: Thank you for replying. I am trying to get aTable of amounts over a 21 day period. I think that the problem is theEnddate: Gluctmp1.date + 20 Even though [Gluctmp1.date + 20] is a valid date, SELECT I get the [unrecognized command] error with this: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; Gluctmp1.date BETWEEN Gluctmp1.date AND (Gluctmp1.date + 20) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51817b83.9060...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
You need an AND after your Glucos to add the additional BETWEEN condition. Fred On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP charles.en...@uc.edu wrote: Dear Ted: Thank you for replying. I am trying to get aTable of amounts over a 21 day period. I think that the problem is theEnddate: Gluctmp1.date + 20 Even though [Gluctmp1.date + 20] is a valid date, SELECT I get the [unrecognized command] error with this: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; Gluctmp1.date BETWEEN Gluctmp1.date AND (Gluctmp1.date + 20) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date -- Charles -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~**enzerch/http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%**7Eenzerch/http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** On 5/1/2013 3:32 PM, Ted Roche wrote: WHERE dates BETWEEN startdate AND enddate is the canonical SQL phrase. I'm not sure it works in all versions of FoxPro. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP charles.en...@uc.edu wrote: I want to: SELECT ; dates, ; COUNT (amount) as CNT ; FROM data ; WHERE dates = BETWEEN(dates, dates, dates + 20) = .T. ; GROUP BY 1 ; ORDER BY 1 I also tried instead of the WHERE clause: HAVING BETWEEN(dates,dates,dates + 20 ) = .T. Each dates has a number of amount records. I want to make a count of the number of records for every 21 day range. Thank you. -- -- *Charles* -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/http://homepages.uc.edu/~**enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.**edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/http://homepages.** uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/** **listinfo/profox http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/**listinfo/profox http://mail.**leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/**profoxhttp://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/** listinfo/profoxtech http://mail.leafe.com/**mailman/listinfo/profoxtechhttp://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profoxhttp://leafe.com/archives/**search/profox http://leafe.**com/archives/search/profoxhttp://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/ byMID/profox/51816BB5.80103@**http://leafe.com/archives/**byMID/profox/51816BB5.80103@** uc.edu http://leafe.com/archives/**byMID/profox/51816BB5.80103@**uc.eduhttp://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51816bb5.80...@uc.edu ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Report [OT] Abuse: http://leafe.com/reportAbuse/*** *51816bb5.80...@uc.eduhttp://leafe.com/reportAbuse/**51816bb5.80...@uc.edu http://**leafe.com/reportAbuse/**51816bb5.80...@uc.eduhttp://leafe.com/reportAbuse/51816bb5.80...@uc.edu --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- __**_ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/**listinfo/profoxhttp://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/** listinfo/profoxtech http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/**search/profoxhttp://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/**byMID/profox/51817A54.2020407@** uc.edu http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51817a54.2020...@uc.edu ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---
Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013
Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox) wrote: I sure don't touch it much. I have several VFP apps I wrote in back in the early 90s that are still in use. Every once in a while, one of those folks asks me a question, most likely something like I can't remember how to configure a workstation. I have my own billing/scheduling system I wrote 20+ years ago. I have one client (for which I do a project once per year) which I wrote in VFP. Other than that, I just don't touch it. You? It's my bread and butter. And about 5 or 6 times a year, I get stuck to the extent that I cry for help, and about 5 of those times get it. I help out when I can, as well, but usually several people have beaten me to the answer. (Or I don't know it!) Great resource. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51817be1.4010...@taconic.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013
On 5/1/2013 3:43 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: Good questions. How about we find out? http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/F3SHBB6 It will take you all of a minute to complete. I'll give it a few days and then post the results here. Done! -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51817c54.2030...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
The BETWEEN a AND b syntax should work fine in VFP as it's standard SQL, and yet leave it agnostic in case you need to use it against a different backend later. As for the OP's code below: I get the [unrecognized command] error with this: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; Gluctmp1.date BETWEEN Gluctmp1.date AND (Gluctmp1.date + 20) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date ...looks like he's just missing the AND word between his 2 where conditions. It should be: WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; AND Gluctmp1.date BETWEEN Gluctmp1.date AND (Gluctmp1.date + 20) ; --Mike On 5/1/2013 4:30 PM, Kevin Cully wrote: If this is a VFP select statement, then try this out. LOCAL ldStartDate, ldEndDate ldStartDate = DATE()-20 ldEndDate = DATE() SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; AND BETWEEN( Gluctmp1.date, ldStartDate, ldEndDate ) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date ; ORDER BY Gluctmp1.date ; INTO CURSOR c_Gluctmp1 On 05/01/2013 04:25 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP wrote: Dear Ted: Thank you for replying. I am trying to get aTable of amounts over a 21 day period. I think that the problem is theEnddate: Gluctmp1.date + 20 Even though [Gluctmp1.date + 20] is a valid date, SELECT I get the [unrecognized command] error with this: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; Gluctmp1.date BETWEEN Gluctmp1.date AND (Gluctmp1.date + 20) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51817dad.8040...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
Dear Kevin: Thank you. The SELECT give the COUNT of the records for individual date. I want a rolling TotalCount for each succeeding 21 days over the entire range of the table -- about two years. I am using FPW2.6a -- *Charles* -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** On 5/1/2013 4:30 PM, Kevin Cully wrote: If this is a VFP select statement, then try this out. LOCAL ldStartDate, ldEndDate ldStartDate = DATE()-20 ldEndDate = DATE() SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; AND BETWEEN( Gluctmp1.date, ldStartDate, ldEndDate ) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date ; ORDER BY Gluctmp1.date ; INTO CURSOR c_Gluctmp1 On 05/01/2013 04:25 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP wrote: Dear Ted: Thank you for replying. I am trying to get aTable of amounts over a 21 day period. I think that the problem is theEnddate: Gluctmp1.date + 20 Even though [Gluctmp1.date + 20] is a valid date, SELECT I get the [unrecognized command] error with this: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; Gluctmp1.date BETWEEN Gluctmp1.date AND (Gluctmp1.date + 20) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51817ed2.7020...@uc.edu ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
Dear Fred: Thank you. I did add the AND. Continue to get the [unrecognize. . ..] error: *SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; AND BETWEEN( Gluctmp1.date, Gluctmp1.date, Gluctmp1.date + 20 ) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date ; ORDER BY Gluctmp1.date * I think that the problem is the end date: * * *Gluctmp1.date + 20* -- *Shai* -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** On 5/1/2013 4:31 PM, Fred Taylor wrote: You need an AND after your Glucos to add the additional BETWEEN condition. Fred On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP charles.en...@uc.edu wrote: Dear Ted: Thank you for replying. I am trying to get aTable of amounts over a 21 day period. I think that the problem is theEnddate: Gluctmp1.date + 20 Even though [Gluctmp1.date + 20] is a valid date, SELECT I get the [unrecognized command] error with this: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; Gluctmp1.date BETWEEN Gluctmp1.date AND (Gluctmp1.date + 20) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date -- Charles -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~**enzerch/http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%**7Eenzerch/http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** On 5/1/2013 3:32 PM, Ted Roche wrote: WHERE dates BETWEEN startdate AND enddate is the canonical SQL phrase. I'm not sure it works in all versions of FoxPro. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP charles.en...@uc.edu wrote: I want to: SELECT ; dates, ; COUNT (amount) as CNT ; FROM data ; WHERE dates = BETWEEN(dates, dates, dates + 20) = .T. ; GROUP BY 1 ; ORDER BY 1 I also tried instead of the WHERE clause: HAVING BETWEEN(dates,dates,dates + 20 ) = .T. Each dates has a number of amount records. I want to make a count of the number of records for every 21 day range. Thank you. -- -- *Charles* -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/http://homepages.uc.edu/~**enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.**edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/http://homepages.** uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/** **listinfo/profox http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/**listinfo/profox http://mail.**leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/**profoxhttp://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/** listinfo/profoxtech http://mail.leafe.com/**mailman/listinfo/profoxtechhttp://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profoxhttp://leafe.com/archives/**search/profox http://leafe.**com/archives/search/profoxhttp://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/ byMID/profox/51816BB5.80103@**http://leafe.com/archives/**byMID/profox/51816BB5.80103@** uc.edu http://leafe.com/archives/**byMID/profox/51816BB5.80103@**uc.eduhttp://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51816bb5.80...@uc.edu ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Report [OT] Abuse: http://leafe.com/reportAbuse/*** *51816bb5.80...@uc.eduhttp://leafe.com/reportAbuse/**51816bb5.80...@uc.edu http://**leafe.com/reportAbuse/**51816bb5.80...@uc.eduhttp://leafe.com/reportAbuse/51816bb5.80...@uc.edu --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- __**_ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/**listinfo/profoxhttp://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list:
Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
I don't think you can do what you are asking for unless you use a subquery. Something along the lines of this might get you going: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, SELECT COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) FROM GlucTmp1 GlucTmp2 WHERE GlucTmp2.Date BETWEEN GlucTmp1.Date AND GlucTmp1.Date + 20); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date Frank. Frank Cazabon On 01/05/2013 04:45 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP wrote: Dear Kevin: Thank you. The SELECT give the COUNT of the records for individual date. I want a rolling TotalCount for each succeeding 21 days over the entire range of the table -- about two years. I am using FPW2.6a -- *Charles* -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** On 5/1/2013 4:30 PM, Kevin Cully wrote: If this is a VFP select statement, then try this out. LOCAL ldStartDate, ldEndDate ldStartDate = DATE()-20 ldEndDate = DATE() SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; AND BETWEEN( Gluctmp1.date, ldStartDate, ldEndDate ) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date ; ORDER BY Gluctmp1.date ; INTO CURSOR c_Gluctmp1 On 05/01/2013 04:25 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP wrote: Dear Ted: Thank you for replying. I am trying to get aTable of amounts over a 21 day period. I think that the problem is theEnddate: Gluctmp1.date + 20 Even though [Gluctmp1.date + 20] is a valid date, SELECT I get the [unrecognized command] error with this: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; Gluctmp1.date BETWEEN Gluctmp1.date AND (Gluctmp1.date + 20) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5181848c.3070...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013
Done! -K- -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:34 PM On 5/1/2013 3:43 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: Good questions. How about we find out? http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/F3SHBB6 It will take you all of a minute to complete. I'll give it a few days and then post the results here. Done! -- Mike Babcock, MCP ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/DC113705F8154E8AB48D9AD2B35CAAAF@Programming2 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
Dear Frank: Thank you. The SELECT also gives the [Unrocognized Command] error: *SELECT Gluctmp1.date, SELECT COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) FROM GlucTmp1 GlucTmp2 WHERE GlucTmp2.Date BETWEEN GlucTmp1.Date AND GlucTmp1.Date + 20); ** ** FROM Gluctmp1; ** ** WHERE ; ** **Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; ** ** GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date * So I changed it to: *SELECT ; Gluctmp1.date AS Rollingdate, ; COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) AS Totals ; FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; AND Gluctmp1.amount in ; (SELECT ; COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) ; FROM GlucTmp1 ; WHERE GlucTmp1.Date BETWEEN GlucTmp1.Date ; AND GlucTmp1.Date + 20 ); GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date * And got an empty Cursor. -- *Charles* -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** On 5/1/2013 5:09 PM, Frank Cazabon wrote: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, SELECT COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) FROM GlucTmp1 GlucTmp2 WHERE GlucTmp2.Date BETWEEN GlucTmp1.Date AND GlucTmp1.Date + 20); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51818b7d.8090...@uc.edu ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: ProFox List Statistics for April 2013
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Wendt k...@isssusa.com wrote: your seriously Threw me into the Minority group! I ain't throwin' nobody nowheres! Just suspectin' and askin'. Ed's survey will answer. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAFyV=Lm5R3OuK=9q2QQ0NnJOdCDgjO7aDFAZs=qNn0exZ8C7=a...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
Charles, Could you write a program which creates a cursor with some sample data and post it here and let us know what the expected output is and I'm sure one of us will be able to give you the working code Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP charles.en...@uc.edu wrote: Dear Frank: Thank you. The SELECT also gives the [Unrocognized Command] error: *SELECT Gluctmp1.date, SELECT COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) FROM GlucTmp1 GlucTmp2 WHERE GlucTmp2.Date BETWEEN GlucTmp1.Date AND GlucTmp1.Date + 20); ** ** FROM Gluctmp1; ** ** WHERE ; ** **Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; ** ** GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date * So I changed it to: *SELECT ; Gluctmp1.date AS Rollingdate, ; COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) AS Totals ; FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; AND Gluctmp1.amount in ; (SELECT ; COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) ; FROM GlucTmp1 ; WHERE GlucTmp1.Date BETWEEN GlucTmp1.Date ; AND GlucTmp1.Date + 20 ); GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date * And got an empty Cursor. -- *Charles* -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** On 5/1/2013 5:09 PM, Frank Cazabon wrote: SELECT Gluctmp1.date, SELECT COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) FROM GlucTmp1 GlucTmp2 WHERE GlucTmp2.Date BETWEEN GlucTmp1.Date AND GlucTmp1.Date + 20); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/12e932c9-8b3e-4402-9925-6e34f9c06...@email.android.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
Charles, Unless I'm missing something, you're asking for a Date 'between' itself and itself + 20. ??? The 'Between' value should be a constant. Also, why are you 'counting' the Amount? StartDate = whatever EndDate = StartDate + 20 SELECT Date, COUNT(*) from Gluctmp1 ; WHERE Category = 'Glucos' ; AND BETWEEN (Date, StartDate, EndDate) ; GROUP BY Date ORDER BY Date Dan Covill On 05/01/13 02:02 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP wrote: *SELECT Gluctmp1.date, COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount); FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; AND BETWEEN( Gluctmp1.date, Gluctmp1.date, Gluctmp1.date + 20 ) ; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date ; ORDER BY Gluctmp1.date * ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/51819608.5000...@san.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
Well, some of us, when we find something, we quit looking for it. +1 Until it gets taken away from us... So something becomes too old when Microsoft says it is? Al No, it gets too old when people who drink the Microsoft koolaid, and who do things that we depend on, say it is. For example, I would still be running Windows 2000 today if I could get network-managed anti-virus software, and a version of Firefox that complies with modern AJAX-type requirements, to run on it. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.1.1.1.20130501201159.020d8...@pop-server.stny.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [ADMIN] Donation Request
A Melanie quote! Dang, you beat me. I was gonna ask him which brand new key he was singing that in. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.1.1.1.20130501202416.020bc...@pop-server.stny.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: SELECT (SQL) Date Range Problem
Dear Frank: As the saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words. *Raw Data: * DATE TIME AMOUNT 01/08/2001 6:21 pm 130 01/09/2001 10:46 pm148 01/09/2001 6:08 pm 116 01/10/2001 11:07 pm148 01/10/2001 6:18 pm 138 01/10/2001 1:11 pm 122 01/10/2001 7:31 am 135 01/11/2001 9:53 pm 141 01/11/2001 5:56 pm 167 01/11/2001 7:36 am 141 01/12/2001 6:55 pm 131 01/12/2001 8:02 am 156 01/13/2001 6:21 pm 111 01/13/2001 12:16 pm138 01/13/2001 8:34 am 175 01/13/2001 1:50 am 189 01/14/2001 6:07 pm 109 01/14/2001 11:58 am 95 01/14/2001 11:51 am149 01/14/2001 8:06 am 151 01/14/2001 12:06 am144 01/15/2001 11:28 pm143 01/15/2001 6:18 pm 103 01/15/2001 12:04 pm 90 01/15/2001 7:44 am 116 01/15/2001 2:33 am 160 01/16/2001 11:28 pm156 01/16/2001 11:04 pm126 01/16/2001 6:01 pm 156 01/16/2001 7:57 am 156 01/17/2001 10:18 pm111 01/17/2001 6:13 pm 126 01/17/2001 1:11 pm 158 01/17/2001 8:01 am 142 SELECT ; Gluctmp1.date AS DailyDate, ; COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) AS DayCount; FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date ; ORDER BY Gluctmp1.date *Yields:* DAILYDATEDAYCOUNT 01/08/2001 1 01/09/2001 2 01/10/2001 4 01/11/2001 3 01/12/2001 2 01/13/2001 4 01/14/2001 5 01/15/2001 5 01/16/2001 4 01/17/2001 4 To simplify, Here is the Cursor for *Rolling Five Days*. RollingDATERolling5DayCOUNT 01/08/2001 01/09/2001 01/10/2001 01/11/2001 01/12/200112 01/13/200115 01/14/200116 01/15/200118 01/16/200117 01/17/200117 How to I program this: Here is a table will all the columns for: * Raw Data * Count per day * Count per 5 days DATE TIME AMOUNTDayCount Rolling5DayCOUNT 01/08/2001 6:21 pm 1301 01/09/2001 10:46 pm148 01/09/2001 6:08 pm 1162 01/10/2001 11:07 pm148 01/10/2001 6:18 pm 138 01/10/2001 1:11 pm 122 01/10/2001 7:31 am 1354 01/11/2001 9:53 pm 141 01/11/2001 5:56 pm 167 01/11/2001 7:36 am 1413 01/12/2001 6:55 pm 131 01/12/2001 8:02 am 1562 12 01/13/2001 6:21 pm 111 01/13/2001 12:16 pm138 01/13/2001 8:34 am 175 01/13/2001 1:50 am 1894 16 01/14/2001 6:07 pm 109 01/14/2001 11:58 am 95 01/14/2001 11:51 am149 01/14/2001 8:06 am 151 01/14/2001 12:06 am1445 16 01/15/2001 11:28 pm143 01/15/2001 6:18 pm 103 01/15/2001 12:04 pm 90 01/15/2001 7:44 am 116 01/15/2001 2:33 am 1605 18 01/16/2001 11:28 pm156 01/16/2001 11:04 pm126 01/16/2001 6:01 pm 156 01/16/2001 7:57 am 1564 17 01/17/2001 10:18 pm111 01/17/2001 6:13 pm 126 01/17/2001 1:11 pm 158 01/17/2001 8:01 am 1424 17 -- *Charles* -- Website: http://homepages.uc.edu/~enzerch/ http://homepages.uc.edu/%7Eenzerch/ *Medicine is a science of uncertainty and an art of probability *William Osler, M.D. ***Stop **Spammers**and **Virus Propagation*** ***Before **forwarding**, please **delete**the history of all email address*** On 5/1/2013 5:52 PM, Frank Cazabon wrote: Charles, Could you write a program which creates a cursor with some sample data and post it here and let us know what the expected output is and I'm sure one of us will be able to give you the working code Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACP charles.en...@uc.edu wrote: Dear Frank: Thank you. The SELECT also gives the [Unrocognized Command] error: *SELECT Gluctmp1.date, SELECT COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) FROM GlucTmp1 GlucTmp2 WHERE GlucTmp2.Date BETWEEN GlucTmp1.Date AND GlucTmp1.Date + 20); ** ** FROM Gluctmp1; ** ** WHERE ; ** **Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; ** ** GROUP BY Gluctmp1.date * So I changed it to: *SELECT ; Gluctmp1.date AS Rollingdate, ; COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) AS Totals ; FROM Gluctmp1; WHERE ; Gluctmp1.category = Glucos; AND Gluctmp1.amount in ; (SELECT ; COUNT(Gluctmp1.amount) ; FROM GlucTmp1 ; WHERE GlucTmp1.Date BETWEEN GlucTmp1.Date ;
Re: [ADMIN] Donation Request
And I'm in, putting you officially over the top... where I often can be found. :) Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.1.1.1.20130501202852.02108...@pop-server.stny.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Are you ready to rumble?
User interfaces are very important. Personally, I find touchpads to be very awkward. Many of my mouse actions are point-and-click. With a mouse, it is simple. With a touchpad, I have to move my finger around and then move it around to click the button. (Due to my dry hands, clicking on the pad is not reliable. I have actually caused clicks on my touchpad when I was not touching the touchpad but had my finger just above.) Touchpads are demons from hell! The first thing I do when I get a laptop is disable tapping on the touchpad so I can keep it from doing something I don't want it to do long enough for me to jam a USB mouse into it. That is, when I deal with laptops at all, which I also hate... Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.1.1.1.20130501203646.01fd6...@pop-server.stny.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
I wonder how much of the homeless problem comes down to mental health. I have to admit I have a hunch being homeless by choice could be a very satisfying path overall. I've had a few transient periods in my life and I tend to look back at them fondly even though they were hard at the time. I bet if you spend an hour talking with the guy who is homeless by choice and ask the right questions, you will find out that he is, indeed, mentally ill and unable to cope with the demands of maintaining the sort of self-organization that is necessary in order to keep a roof over one's head. Having worked in the disability services field for a very long time, I can tell you that probably 99% of the people who are chronically homeless have psychiatric or intellectual disabilities, or both. Those who are temporarily homeless (for a few months) are a different group. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.1.1.1.20130501204037.01f8d...@pop-server.stny.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The Tech Industry's Darkest Secret: It's All About Age
I camped out one time for about 90 days on 30 acres in between contracts. Loved it But I also wonder about the girl in the video that looks like a druggie now. If she is, could that come from the destitution of having no way out when your job was sent offshore? For nearly ten years now I've been unable to find steady work. Used to think it was only me, but I've heard from many because of my work at KAAW that are experiencing the same. You might find this interesting--from the current issue of Atlantic Monthly: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/05/the-slacker-trap/309285/ Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.1.1.1.20130501204523.01fcc...@pop-server.stny.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
