[PEDA] Annular Ring design rule
Folks, While currently checking the annular rings of a design, it appears to me as Protel treats vias and pads differently. Following seem to be the calculations for: annular ring of a via = DIAMETER of pad - DIAMETER of hole annular ring of pad = RADIUS of pad - RADIUS of hole Can somebody confirm this? I'm using P99SE, SP6. Thanks Emanuel -- MPL AG www.mpl.ch Emanuel Zimmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager R&D Phone: +41 (0)56 483 34 34 Taefernstrasse 20 Fax: +41 (0)56 493 30 20 CH-5405 Daettwil * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CAM Outputs
Wayne, When using the Access ddb format just unchek the "export copy to" option in the "tools-preferences", rename the CAM-folder after generating the data within the database and export it by a "right mouse click-export..." to your target directory on the disk. Sorry, I'm not aware of a more convenient way! Emanuel Wayne Trow wrote: > Hi > > Sorry - Im wrong - I do use the MS Access Database configuration. > > Wayne -- MPL AG www.mpl.ch Emanuel Zimmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager R&D Phone: +41 (0)56 483 34 34 Taefernstrasse 20 Fax: +41 (0)56 493 30 20 CH-5405 Daettwil * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CAM Outputs
Hi Wayne You can rename the folder in the design explorer, but you have to close the cam output before. Right mouse click and so on. Greetings Wolfgang Geier JUMPtec AG PPC Embedded Components Brunnwiesenstrasse 16 D-94469 Deggendorf Tel +49 (0) 991 37024 601 Fax +49 (0) 991 37024 104 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CAM Outputs
Hi Sorry - Im wrong - I do use the MS Access Database configuration. Wayne -Brad Wrote Hi Wayne, welcome to PEDA. There are no stupid questions, especially when you are just starting with Protel. By your comment I would have to assume that you are using the Windows File System rather then the Access database configuration. It will probably help if you can confirm this because the two different storage systems could influence the answer. Myself I use the Access database storage and this is not an issue as all the files are stored inside the ddb file. I have never looked to see if that directory name can be set or predetermined, especially not in WFS format. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. #300 - 4401 Still Creek Drive, Burnaby, B.C., Canada, V5C 6G9. Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 Website: www.norsat.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] update schematic problem ??
Only schematic pages that are open when you hit "Update Schematics" will be changed. I think it's always been like that. I also found that "Update parts in Cache" only affected the open schematic pages, at least after I was in this 'partially updated' state. -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 3:32 PM Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: > > i built an IC component and i incorrectly numbered the ground pin > as 17 instead of the 7 it should have been. i used three of them > in the schematic and it was flagged when i went to update the > pcb. i changed the component library, updated the schematic, > but only one of the chips got corrected. why wouldn't the other > two chips update to the correct numbering? > When you edit the component library, there is a button in the left pane (when the document manager is on the screen (toggled with the hierarchy symbol on the left side of the toolbar) that says update schematics. If you pushed that button it should update all instances of the schemaic component. In the schematic editor, under the Design pull down menu, there is an entry Update Parts in Cache, that should force the library information onto all matching components. Watch out for libraries that have components of the same name. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] update schematic problem ??
Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: > hello, > > i built an IC component and i incorrectly numbered the ground pin > as 17 instead of the 7 it should have been. i used three of them > in the schematic and it was flagged when i went to update the > pcb. i changed the component library, updated the schematic, > but only one of the chips got corrected. why wouldn't the other > two chips update to the correct numbering? > > i double-checked that the chips were all the same, that they used > the same footprint, and that they came from the same library. > > i guess i'm gonna have to forcefully delete the two that won't up- > date and replace them with the corrected version. When you edit the component library, there is a button in the left pane (when the document manager is on the screen (toggled with the hierarchy symbol on the left side of the toolbar) that says update schematics. If you pushed that button it should update all instances of the schemaic component. In the schematic editor, under the Design pull down menu, there is an entry Update Parts in Cache, that should force the library information onto all matching components. Watch out for libraries that have components of the same name. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CAM Outputs
Hi Brad yes I use the windows file system. I create a copy of the cam's to hardrive - which is part of the preferences of CAM output. Namely in a dir called "c:\camout\" But when generating files Protel places folders in this location called "Cam for x" I cant have spaces in the folder name. Thanks Wayne -- Brad wrote: Hi Wayne, welcome to PEDA. There are no stupid questions, especially when you are just starting with Protel. By your comment I would have to assume that you are using the Windows File System rather then the Access database configuration. It will probably help if you can confirm this because the two different storage systems could influence the answer. Myself I use the Access database storage and this is not an issue as all the files are stored inside the ddb file. I have never looked to see if that directory name can be set or predetermined, especially not in WFS format. Sincerely, Brad Velander. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] update schematic problem ??
hello, i built an IC component and i incorrectly numbered the ground pin as 17 instead of the 7 it should have been. i used three of them in the schematic and it was flagged when i went to update the pcb. i changed the component library, updated the schematic, but only one of the chips got corrected. why wouldn't the other two chips update to the correct numbering? i double-checked that the chips were all the same, that they used the same footprint, and that they came from the same library. i guess i'm gonna have to forcefully delete the two that won't up- date and replace them with the corrected version. thank you, miker * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CAM Outputs
Hi Wayne, welcome to PEDA. There are no stupid questions, especially when you are just starting with Protel. By your comment I would have to assume that you are using the Windows File System rather then the Access database configuration. It will probably help if you can confirm this because the two different storage systems could influence the answer. Myself I use the Access database storage and this is not an issue as all the files are stored inside the ddb file. I have never looked to see if that directory name can be set or predetermined, especially not in WFS format. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. #300 - 4401 Still Creek Drive, Burnaby, B.C., Canada, V5C 6G9. Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 Website: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Wayne Trow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] CAM Outputs Hi Everyone. Im fairly new to Protel - so bear with me for this newby question. CAM Outputs - Protel puts these in folders called "Cam for " Is there a way to change the settings in Protel so that the output folder is a single word. I use Isolator for Windows and it wont except spaces in words Thanks in advance Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton New Zealand * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] CAM Outputs
Hi Everyone. Im fairly new to Protel - so bear with me for this newby question. CAM Outputs - Protel puts these in folders called "Cam for " Is there a way to change the settings in Protel so that the output folder is a single word. I use Isolator for Windows and it wont except spaces in words Thanks in advance Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton New Zealand * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] pld design
we've done 22V10 pals. be glad to help you out. miker > -Original Message- > From: david lawson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:47 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] pld design > > anyone done a pld using 99se? if you have i'd like to speak with you. > thanks, > david lawson > > david lawson > rf technologies > 12 foss rd > lewiston, me 04240 > 207 777 7778 v > 207 777 7784 f > www.rftechnologies.net > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] pld design
anyone done a pld using 99se? if you have i'd like to speak with you. thanks, david lawson david lawson rf technologies 12 foss rd lewiston, me 04240 207 777 7778 v 207 777 7784 f www.rftechnologies.net * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file?
Rob, If you send me the file I have a PCAD file convertor, you may lose some hole information but most everything comes across okay. What ever doesn't can be fixed in Protel. Regards, Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Substation Automation Systems 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, Alberta, Canada T1Y 7J7 Tel: (403) 214-4777 Fax:(403) 287-7946 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:28 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file? Will the latest version pull in a PCAD binary file? My current problem is we have the old PCAD binary file, but no machine running the old PCAD, and the old file would take a week to pull in to the new PCAD and check . Since the board house lost the program for the flying probe tester, I'd rather make them upgrade their software than have to go back and try to regenerate a PDIF file. In the future we intend to supply IPC-D-356A files unless we really have to supply the PCB file. Thanks, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/25/2001 06:21:41 PM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file? Yes very familiar with Genrad. Unless you have the latest version which includes the new Protel file convertor, you need to export your Protel PCB file out in Version 2.8 ASCII format. Then Genrad has a program convertor called Alchemist which converts to GenCad.cad files. Hope that helps Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Substation Automation Systems 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, Alberta, Canada T1Y 7J7 Tel: (403) 214-4777 Fax:(403) 287-7946 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:20 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file? Our board house is asking for a GENCAD.CAD file for their flying probe tester which I believe is made by GenRad. Has anyone ever heard of this format? Is this actually a format that Protel will produce, but named wrong? GenRads web site is less than usefull since anything that might have information in it is login protected. The current board that is at issue was done in an OLD version of PCAD which we don't have running and PCAD 2001 doesn't like the design because the people who did it thought they were clever and combined power planes and signal layers in a painful way. So we can't generate the GENCAD.CAD file for them or the PDIF file they say they could also take. Of course if they hadn't lost the program they did a year and half ago for this board they wouldn't have this problem. thanks, Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Windows 2000
Brian Guralnick wrote: > > news.creativelabs.com -> is not a url, but a news group which you need to add to your > Outlook Express news groups. > > Brian Guralnick > Sounds more like a news server, which probably carries several newsgroups related to Creative Labs products. -- Peter Bennett TRIUMF 4004 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, BC, Canada GPS and NMEA info and programs: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/index.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file?
Will the latest version pull in a PCAD binary file? My current problem is we have the old PCAD binary file, but no machine running the old PCAD, and the old file would take a week to pull in to the new PCAD and check . Since the board house lost the program for the flying probe tester, I'd rather make them upgrade their software than have to go back and try to regenerate a PDIF file. In the future we intend to supply IPC-D-356A files unless we really have to supply the PCB file. Thanks, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/25/2001 06:21:41 PM Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: Rob LaMoreaux/DSPT) Subject: Re: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file? Yes very familiar with Genrad. Unless you have the latest version which includes the new Protel file convertor, you need to export your Protel PCB file out in Version 2.8 ASCII format. Then Genrad has a program convertor called Alchemist which converts to GenCad.cad files. Hope that helps Lloyd Good Engineering Systems Co-ordinator GE Substation Automation Systems 2728 Hopewell Place NE Calgary, Alberta, Canada T1Y 7J7 Tel: (403) 214-4777 Fax:(403) 287-7946 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:20 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Anyone heard of a GENCAD.CAD file? Our board house is asking for a GENCAD.CAD file for their flying probe tester which I believe is made by GenRad. Has anyone ever heard of this format? Is this actually a format that Protel will produce, but named wrong? GenRads web site is less than usefull since anything that might have information in it is login protected. The current board that is at issue was done in an OLD version of PCAD which we don't have running and PCAD 2001 doesn't like the design because the people who did it thought they were clever and combined power planes and signal layers in a painful way. So we can't generate the GENCAD.CAD file for them or the PDIF file they say they could also take. Of course if they hadn't lost the program they did a year and half ago for this board they wouldn't have this problem. thanks, Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Windows 2000
Yes. I do not know what is causing it yet. This is not only Protel but other Programs like AOL. Dave -Original Message- From: Ron Tupa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers Subject: [PEDA] Windows 2000 Just loaded Service Pack 6 for Protel 99SE under Windows 2000. When we shut down, it hangs there for about a minute, then a message, Program not responding , Program will be shut down and then shuts down. Has anyone else seen this? -- Ron Tupa ElectroMechanical Engineer Adtron Corporation 3710 East University Phoenix, Arizona 85034 Telephone 602-735-0335 Fax 602-735-0359 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
