Re: [PEDA] position dialog
It's not on my menu either, so it's not an isolated case! John Haddy -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 6:23 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog Not necessarily. Since all the menus are configurable, someone possibly could have removed it from your setup. It also could have been wiped out on its own. I've seen this with a custom menu item I've added. At some point it just 'went away' and I had to add it again. (I remember it was Measure/SelectedObjects) -Original Message- From: Tim Exley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:59 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog Hmmm ... interesting, because it isn't on my menus, and before anyone asks ... yes, I have service pack 6. I can get to Tools/InteractivePlacement, but there's no PositionComponentText. You guys have obviously installed something which I haven't, that sets up that option. Tim Exley -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 3:25 p.m. To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog ah so those are the keys i hit! thanks Dennis Saputelli Tony Karavidas wrote: Try: Tools/InteractivePlacement/PositionComponentText. (TIP for short) Tony -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:22 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog i was proteling (PCB) and flailing away at the keyboard i looked up to see a dialog i had never seen before! i don't know the key sequence was anymore it was a kind of cool looking _graphical representation_ of the the autopositioning options for the designator and comment ok, it's only slightly cool looking i couldn't recreate the keys or find it on a menu but the process may be invoked by: PCB:AutopositionComponentTexts when called without parameters it appears to operate on selected objects i know this capability is in the drop lists of the edit comp dialogs, but i never saw this window before wiring it to hot key looks faster and friendlier than the other method have i missed it somewhere? wonder what else is in there under the hood? Dennis Saputelli -- __ _ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] position dialog
I keep receiving this message about every 5 minutes. Are others seeing it as well (a stuck router somewhere, perhaps?) or am i the only one? Steve Hendrix In a message dated 11/22/2002 5:20:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not on my menu either, so it's not an isolated case! John Haddy -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 6:23 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: position dialog - Is it repeating on you, too?
Me too. Damn annoying.. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 22. november 2002 11:08 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] position dialog - Is it repeating on you, too? Hi, Is anybody else seeing repeated messages from Mr. Haddy? I get one about every ten minutes! Steve -Original Message- From: John Haddy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 November 2002 08:00 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog It's not on my menu either, so it's not an isolated case! John Haddy -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 6:23 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog Not necessarily. Since all the menus are configurable, someone possibly could have removed it from your setup. It also could have been wiped out on its own. I've seen this with a custom menu item I've added. At some point it just 'went away' and I had to add it again. (I remember it was Measure/SelectedObjects) -Original Message- From: Tim Exley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:59 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog Hmmm ... interesting, because it isn't on my menus, and before anyone asks ... yes, I have service pack 6. I can get to Tools/InteractivePlacement, but there's no PositionComponentText. You guys have obviously installed something which I haven't, that sets up that option. Tim Exley -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 3:25 p.m. To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog ah so those are the keys i hit! thanks Dennis Saputelli Tony Karavidas wrote: Try: Tools/InteractivePlacement/PositionComponentText. (TIP for short) Tony -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:22 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog i was proteling (PCB) and flailing away at the keyboard i looked up to see a dialog i had never seen before! i don't know the key sequence was anymore it was a kind of cool looking _graphical representation_ of the the autopositioning options for the designator and comment ok, it's only slightly cool looking i couldn't recreate the keys or find it on a menu but the process may be invoked by: PCB:AutopositionComponentTexts when called without parameters it appears to operate on selected objects i know this capability is in the drop lists of the edit comp dialogs, but i never saw this window before wiring it to hot key looks faster and friendlier than the other method have i missed it somewhere? wonder what else is in there under the hood? Dennis Saputelli -- __ _ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] position dialog - Is it repeating on you, too?
Oh yes! It's not just you :-) -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 November 2002 10:08 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog - Is it repeating on you, too? Hi, Is anybody else seeing repeated messages from Mr. Haddy? I get one about every ten minutes! Steve -Original Message- From: John Haddy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 November 2002 08:00 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog It's not on my menu either, so it's not an isolated case! John Haddy -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 6:23 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog Not necessarily. Since all the menus are configurable, someone possibly could have removed it from your setup. It also could have been wiped out on its own. I've seen this with a custom menu item I've added. At some point it just 'went away' and I had to add it again. (I remember it was Measure/SelectedObjects) -Original Message- From: Tim Exley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:59 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog Hmmm ... interesting, because it isn't on my menus, and before anyone asks ... yes, I have service pack 6. I can get to Tools/InteractivePlacement, but there's no PositionComponentText. You guys have obviously installed something which I haven't, that sets up that option. Tim Exley -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 3:25 p.m. To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog ah so those are the keys i hit! thanks Dennis Saputelli Tony Karavidas wrote: Try: Tools/InteractivePlacement/PositionComponentText. (TIP for short) Tony -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:22 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog i was proteling (PCB) and flailing away at the keyboard i looked up to see a dialog i had never seen before! i don't know the key sequence was anymore it was a kind of cool looking _graphical representation_ of the the autopositioning options for the designator and comment ok, it's only slightly cool looking i couldn't recreate the keys or find it on a menu but the process may be invoked by: PCB:AutopositionComponentTexts when called without parameters it appears to operate on selected objects i know this capability is in the drop lists of the edit comp dialogs, but i never saw this window before wiring it to hot key looks faster and friendlier than the other method have i missed it somewhere? wonder what else is in there under the hood? Dennis Saputelli -- __ _ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] position dialog
No, you are not the only one. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 22. November 2002 11:22 Betreff: Re: [PEDA] position dialog I keep receiving this message about every 5 minutes. Are others seeing it as well (a stuck router somewhere, perhaps?) or am i the only one? Steve Hendrix In a message dated 11/22/2002 5:20:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not on my menu either, so it's not an isolated case! John Haddy -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 6:23 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Gold embrittlement in solder joints
Hi Everyone, Does anyone know the maximum recommended plating thickness you can use for gold with out causing gold embrittlement in the solder joint. My application is for BGAs. I attended a class and PCB east a few years ago and was introduced to a new term Sacrificial Gold platting . I interpreted it to mean the minimum thickness required to prevent oxidation and not cause embrittlement of the solder joint. So does anyone know what thickness I should speck for my boards? Thanks Mark * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion
Dave, My recommendation to make this fool proof ( which is the method I use because, I have volunteered to be the fool before) ... use a split plane , to isolate your channel , then use a 0 ohm device, to act as the power feed into that isolated plane area.The DRC s will work, as long as you don't place the plane directly over a pin associated with the nets used on the plane.Always Print your gerber files and view the split planes. Abdul: I know the drcs are supposed to catch split planes on vias but I have one instance where the drc didn't catch it. As I mentioned it was the only board in my Protel history that showed up with a problem. So I remember it well. I sent that one to Protel several years ago. Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick MD - Original Message - From: Dave Eloranta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion Mike I have no split planes passing thru the hole. I do have traces drawn in the planes that channel currents. Dave -Original Message- From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:25 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion Dave, You didnt mention if this was a result of a split plane passing thru the hole.This is the only time I have ever encountered a short in which the DRC did not catch it. Actually it is the only DRC that has ever failed for me. Mike - Original Message - From: Dave Eloranta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion Hi I just got a 10 layer board back with the +3.3 plane shorted to the ground plane at 2 alignment pins. The design rules were set for a 14 mil power plane clearance. The alignment holes are plated but do not electically connected to any net. The DRC found no problem and the gerber generator did not flash a plane clearout in the plane layers for these 2 holes. We were able to remove the connector and ream the holes to isolate the planes. The other feature of the rules that are different on this board from others that I have done is that I have 3 additional plane clearance rules that apply to regions of the board under BGAs that require a smaller plane clearance of 12mils. I am surprized that I have not run into this problem before. Dave Eloranta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Locus Inc. 5540 Research Park Dr. Madison, WI * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] position dialog
I concur. By default (on a clean, full install and sp6) only the following entries are avaiable from (Tools-Interactive Placement-) within Protel 99SE w/SP6 - Align... - align left align right align top align bottom center horizontal center vertical - horizontal spacing make equal increase decrease vertical spacing make equal increase decrease - Arrange within room Arrange within rectangle Arrange outside board - Move to grid -- aj From: Tim Exley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hmmm ... interesting, because it isn't on my menus, and before anyone asks ... yes, I have service pack 6. I can get to Tools/InteractivePlacement, but there's no PositionComponentText. You guys have obviously installed something which I haven't, that sets up that option. Tim Exley * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion
Mr. Lomax Bingo You identified my problem. The pads are top Layer with a hole specified. Does DXP have this fixed? thank you Dave Eloranta [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5540 Research Park Dr. Madison, WI -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:40 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] shorted planes due to alignment pin holes with no plane expansion At 12:25 PM 11/21/2002, Mike Reagan wrote: You didnt mention if this was a result of a split plane passing thru the hole.This is the only time I have ever encountered a short in which the DRC did not catch it. Actually it is the only DRC that has ever failed for me. If I am correct, such a split plane will generate a warning; since most such warnings are spurious, 'tis easy to ignore There are other aspects to the problem that were not mentioned. In particular, what were the exact specifications of the alignment pin holes that caused the short. I can reproduce the problem if I make them surface pads with holes. The left hand of Protel assumes that a surface pad has no hole nor any other presence on inner layers, therefore no blowout is generated in planes. The right hand cheerfully generates the hole in a drill file, with the nuisance results reported. Usually it can be fixed by drilling out the hole a bit. It's a bug, albeit a well-known one. (Protel should either lock out holes from surface pads or properly treat them. In general and in the long run, holes as primitives should become logically separate from pads, so that off-center holes become easy. That is, a pad may have a hole associated with it but holes could also exist independently, plated or non-plated. And a plated hole is essentially a padless via) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] virus WAS: What else is under the hood
were generally flawless.The reason I did this reinstall is because I had virus and after spending some time hunting it down, it was quicker for me to reformat my drive, then re load software . Mike: 1) What virus did your PC get? 2) What were the symptoms? 3) How did you get it? Just curious. I want to know if it's something to watch out for. If it's the latest gaping security hole in IE (trojan signed ActiveX controls), then I recommend you switch to some other browser, such as Mozilla. I started using Mozilla about 4 months ago and it rocks, I haven't used IE since. Mozilla doesn't do ActiveX, so it is not at risk. I still haven't switched e-mail from OE to Mozilla yet. I tried, but there is a bug in the e-mail import that can't seem to handle 1000's of messages without crashing. I have heard others advocate Eudora for e-mail, but I also heard that Eudora still uses IE to render HTML e-mail (evil!), so the IE security risk would still remain. Other Mozilla advantages: tabbed browsing, pop-up ad blocker. Great features! How did computers get so unsecure? It seems like the software advances of the last decade were all about making computers less secure! What's next, unsecure hardware? I can see it now: Announcing LawnPC, the first PC that doesn't clutter your house! You can just leave it in the yard. Solar powered see-through case, wireless networking, no messy cables! And forget passwords - you don't need them with LawnPC! No installation required - weighs only 30 lbs., just place it in a wide open sunny spot in your front yard and you're done! Available in these bright showy colors: orange, yellow, red, green, purple, blue. Sorry for OT, but this is crucial. I don't want to have to re-format and re-install Protel either! Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Gold embrittlement in solder joints
Mark, this is something that I had looked into closely over the years. We have posted previously about this on the PEDA group so you may be able to search the PEDA Yahoo archives and find more but here are my comments from a previous thread on this issue. April 23 2002, Re: [PEDA] Gold is not evil, it just has a mischievous side to it . Linden, here is the study that I have found to be the best available for quantifying the gold embrittlement issue. According to the findings of this study, if you gold is less then 30 micro inches thick then there should not be any solder joint embrittlement using only regular Lead-Tin solder. This equates to the gold being less then 3% by weight of the solder joint, if this volume is not exceeded then there should be no embrittlement problem. The article was titled Effect of AU on the Reliability of Fine Pitch Surface Mount Solder Joints by Judith Glazer, HP, Palo Alto, California. It was published in Proceedings, Surface Mount International Conference, Aug 25 - 29 (1991), San Jose, CA. It was republished in Circuit World 18, pg 41-46 1992 and Surface Mount Technology 4, pgs 15 - 28 (1992). There are also several books by John Lau which deal with this issue, sorry can't recall the titles but the issue is dealt with just as an issue within various books of his. I got my copy of the HP article directly from HP, possibly if you ask real nice you can find someone at HP who will also find it for you. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com Check out our fall promotion at www.norsat.com. Limited quantities. Sale ends December 24, 2002. Contact your Account Manager or call 1-800-NII-4LNB or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark witherite [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 3:56 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Gold embrittlement in solder joints Hi Everyone, Does anyone know the maximum recommended plating thickness you can use for gold with out causing gold embrittlement in the solder joint. My application is for BGAs. I attended a class and PCB east a few years ago and was introduced to a new term Sacrificial Gold platting . I interpreted it to mean the minimum thickness required to prevent oxidation and not cause embrittlement of the solder joint. So does anyone know what thickness I should speck for my boards? Thanks Mark * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] virus WAS: What else is under the hood
Ivan, Mozilla user here too. Actually, I just switched to Phoenix, which is a browser-only branch on the Mozilla tree. Amazingly fast and very stable for a 0.4 release! As far as email goes, you might look at Pegasus Mail or PocoMail (which is what I use). I'm not sure about Pegasus, but I know PocoMail uses it's own HTML engine and *cannot* execute ANY active HTML scripts of any kind. There has never been a script related virus infection reported with PocoMail. PocoMail also lets you turn off any external links in HTML email, so no snoopy spam tracking gets by it either. In fact, I have a couple email accounts that get no spam -- amazing in this day and age. Pegasus Mail is freeware, PocoMail is shareware but reasonably priced. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:18:46 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: If it's the latest gaping security hole in IE (trojan signed ActiveX controls), then I recommend you switch to some other browser, such as Mozilla. I started using Mozilla about 4 months ago and it rocks, I haven't used IE since. Mozilla doesn't do ActiveX, so it is not at risk. I still haven't switched e-mail from OE to Mozilla yet. I tried, but there is a bug in the e-mail import that can't seem to handle 1000's of messages without crashing. I have heard others advocate Eudora for e-mail, but I also heard that Eudora still uses IE to render HTML e-mail (evil!), so the IE security risk would still remain. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Gold embrittlement in solder joints
Hi Mark, Here are two links to papers that discuss the subject of soldering to gold plated PCB's. The first is theoretical, and the second is practical (they agree with one another). The guidelines you are looking for are on the last page of the second paper. http://www.npl.co.uk/ei/documents/gold.pdf http://www.alphametals.com/products/solder_solutions/pdf/soldergld.pdf Regards - Harry At 06:56 AM 11/22/02 -0500, you wrote: Hi Everyone, Does anyone know the maximum recommended plating thickness you can use for gold with out causing gold embrittlement in the solder joint. My application is for BGAs. I attended a class and PCB east a few years ago and was introduced to a new term Sacrificial Gold platting . I interpreted it to mean the minimum thickness required to prevent oxidation and not cause embrittlement of the solder joint. So does anyone know what thickness I should speck for my boards? Thanks Mark * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] virus WAS: What else is under the hood
Mike: 1) What virus did your PC get? 2) What were the symptoms? 3) How did you get it? Just curious. I want to know if it's something to watch out for. it was a klien (my spelling could be wrong) worm virus, I had received months ago from an email. I thought I had disposed of it several months ago. The symptoms were creating dll files in many subdirectories then embedding itself in other email including zipped emailI had stored on my machine.It was dormant for a while until I found a file called LOAD.exe in my windows/system. If couldn't get rid of it so I said screw it , I dot have time for this, reformat the drive and reload again, I was up and running in an hour. Subsequently, I have my IPS service scrub and sanitize all of my files before they reach my system now. It is amazing how many files sent to me have macros embedded in them. They get stopped at the front door now Mike Reagan EDSI * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Viewing gerber files
Hi all On several occasions I've seen postings here, that suggest checking Gerber files for nefarious errors. I've examined these files and found them to be text files full of data (a lot like EPS files). I'm hoping that checking Gerber files doesn't mean understanding the data! 8-) My question is how do you view and/or check the gerber? Is there some gerber viewer program out there that I need to know about, or perhaps a feature in protel99se that I'm not aware of. Regrads Alfonso Baz * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Viewing gerber files
Hi all On several occasions I've seen postings here, that suggest checking Gerber files for nefarious errors. I've examined these files and found them to be text files full of data (a lot like EPS files). I'm hoping that checking Gerber files doesn't mean understanding the data! 8-) My question is how do you view and/or check the gerber? Is there some gerber viewer program out there that I need to know about, or perhaps a feature in protel99se that I'm not aware of. I think that this is one feature that Protel is really missing. The ability to preview (in a graphical sense) the produced gerber file. There are free downloadable gerber previewers available just by doing a google search. The one I've got on my machine here is PentaLogic ViewMate. Although I don't really use it as much as I should... I think that perhaps the print(ing) in Protel should be done using the Gerber interface as this way it will force a correct Gerber interpreter into the program, as well as correct Gerber creation. :) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
