Re: [PEDA] protel crashes in win2000
HP5MP Postscript Cheers Don - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] protel crashes in win2000 > In a message dated 12/31/2001 8:34:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > While on the printer subject, It would be nice if they would fix the bug in > > interacting with the HP Laser driver from Schematic. > > > > The problem has only appeared late in 99SE SP's and it is causing 2 extra > > pages to be printed for each print job. The final page is a postscript > > error from the printer, so it appears that some garbage is being attached > > to > > the end of the print file as the Schematics print OK, or perhaps the file > > is > > truncated and the job is not being finished correctly. > > > > > > Is this with the straight Laserjet driver or with the Postscript driver? A > Laserjet can take a PostScript cartridge which makes it look like a true > PostScript printer, so there are two different driver possibilities. I'm not > clear as to which one you are describing here. > > Steve Hendrix > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] protel crashes in win2000
Re: [PEDA] protel crashes in win2000
While on the printer subject, It would be nice if they would fix the bug in interacting with the HP Laser driver from Schematic. The problem has only appeared late in 99SE SP's and it is causing 2 extra pages to be printed for each print job. The final page is a postscript error from the printer, so it appears that some garbage is being attached to the end of the print file as the Schematics print OK, or perhaps the file is truncated and the job is not being finished correctly. Problem has never occurred with any other program. Cheers Don Ingram CID Leading Edge Design - Original Message - From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] protel crashes in win2000 > Dennis: > > Yeah, that one drove me crazy too. It happened to me when I brought my > workstation back to the office after my surgery recovery. I had been using > Protel with an HP printer in another bedroom on another PC. > > I don't know if this is a Windows problem, HP printer driver problem, Delphi > problem, or Protel problem. But it sucks anyway. You would think after 30+ > years of computer industry, problems like this wouldn't happen. > > Best regards, > Ivan Baggett > Bagotronix Inc. > website: www.bagotronix.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 5:31 PM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] protel crashes in win2000 > > > > a variant of this has been posted before, but i thought it might help > > someone > > > > SE99 SP6 had been working fine in win2k > > suddenly when starting protel and opening a schematic (not pcbs) or when > > a sch was open when the ddb was last closed the following occurred > > sporadically: > > > > a dialog popped up, i think it was a w2k dialog, indicating that protel > > was crashed and would be closed and an error log was being generated > > protel would just not run, many reboots etc. > > > > looking around for .log's i found a few (in \system32\config) but could > > not examine them because of 'sharing violation', the files were always > > open and in use by windows > > (so how do you look at them?) > > > > after a long while i realized i had changed my default printer to one > > which was connected to a machine which was turned off > > (this machine had no local printer) > > > > i reset the default printer to Distiller or something else local and now > > protel would start! > > > > moral of the story: > > if the printer is nonexistent protel will not start a schem! > > > > not too good, lost a lot of time on that one > > > > Dennis Saputelli > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] protel crashes in win2000
Dennis: Yeah, that one drove me crazy too. It happened to me when I brought my workstation back to the office after my surgery recovery. I had been using Protel with an HP printer in another bedroom on another PC. I don't know if this is a Windows problem, HP printer driver problem, Delphi problem, or Protel problem. But it sucks anyway. You would think after 30+ years of computer industry, problems like this wouldn't happen. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] protel crashes in win2000 > a variant of this has been posted before, but i thought it might help > someone > > SE99 SP6 had been working fine in win2k > suddenly when starting protel and opening a schematic (not pcbs) or when > a sch was open when the ddb was last closed the following occurred > sporadically: > > a dialog popped up, i think it was a w2k dialog, indicating that protel > was crashed and would be closed and an error log was being generated > protel would just not run, many reboots etc. > > looking around for .log's i found a few (in \system32\config) but could > not examine them because of 'sharing violation', the files were always > open and in use by windows > (so how do you look at them?) > > after a long while i realized i had changed my default printer to one > which was connected to a machine which was turned off > (this machine had no local printer) > > i reset the default printer to Distiller or something else local and now > protel would start! > > moral of the story: > if the printer is nonexistent protel will not start a schem! > > not too good, lost a lot of time on that one > > Dennis Saputelli * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] protel crashes in win2000
This has been a long standing buglet with Protel.. And, yes it can cause lots of hair pulling and lost time when it flares up. Maybe they will finally fix it with the new "paid" support:-) Regarding crashes with non-existant printer selected.. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] protel crashes in win2000
a variant of this has been posted before, but i thought it might help someone SE99 SP6 had been working fine in win2k suddenly when starting protel and opening a schematic (not pcbs) or when a sch was open when the ddb was last closed the following occurred sporadically: a dialog popped up, i think it was a w2k dialog, indicating that protel was crashed and would be closed and an error log was being generated protel would just not run, many reboots etc. looking around for .log's i found a few (in \system32\config) but could not examine them because of 'sharing violation', the files were always open and in use by windows (so how do you look at them?) after a long while i realized i had changed my default printer to one which was connected to a machine which was turned off (this machine had no local printer) i reset the default printer to Distiller or something else local and now protel would start! moral of the story: if the printer is nonexistent protel will not start a schem! not too good, lost a lot of time on that one Dennis Saputelli -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
> > There is Parity memory and there is ECC memory, > > but when the buyers always want the cheapest ... > > You don't really expect a 500$ PC to have all the stuff > > that is built into a 5000$ machine, do you ? I expect reliability from everything I buy, no matter how cheap or expensive it is. > machine support ECC not parity. Also ECC is not using software to mask > hardware faults, it is using hardware to correct hardware faults. Parity in > PCs, on the other hand, used software to stop the machine after a hardware > fault. I think what the original poster was implying is a shifting of blame, not a prevention. If the software crashes, whatever the reason, people tend to blame software first. This tendency to shift blame to software can be exploited by "ethically challenged" hardware vendors to mask faults in hardware. > Today's memory is much more reliable than it was 15 or 20 years ago so > advantage of ECC to the home user is not worth the cost. I check any new > memory and than I don't worry about it. I did not check once on a non-ECC > memory DIMM and had the memory work fine until I switched to Win2K. > Investigating, I found that there was an unsoldered pin on one of the > chips. Obviously Win 95 didn't actually use that memory, and Win2k/WinNT Perhaps, but as you have documented, the most reliable non-ECC memory chips in the cosmos can't make up for a bad solder connection, broken track, etc. And don't forget the Single Event Upset phenomena, which will become ever more pervasive as geometries shrink. If all memory was ECC, it would no longer be a specialty item, and therefore enjoy the same cutthroat volume pricing that non-ECC memory does now. And that would be a good thing. I refute the notion that home users don't deserve reliability - most home users don't know how to recover their machines after a major system crash. This is like saying that only auto mechanics need reliable cars - everyone else can use lemons. Every "non-techie" I know who has a computer is really frustrated with it. And guess who they call for help? Hint: not Compaq, not Microsoft. If the PC industry wants to revive their sales, they need to start making better machines with better software on them. So far the only advantage I see to the GHz wars is that you can execute your way to the next crash faster than before ;-) Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
> There is Parity memory and there is ECC memory, > but when the buyers always want the cheapest ... > You don't really expect a 500$ PC to have all the stuff > that is built into a 5000$ machine, do you ? > > I think it way off to use software to mask hardware faults. but when you get to more than 4 bits of parity it is much better to use those bits to do ECC since the cost is the same. This is why all current machine support ECC not parity. Also ECC is not using software to mask hardware faults, it is using hardware to correct hardware faults. Parity in PCs, on the other hand, used software to stop the machine after a hardware fault. Today's memory is much more reliable than it was 15 or 20 years ago so advantage of ECC to the home user is not worth the cost. I check any new memory and than I don't worry about it. I did not check once on a non-ECC memory DIMM and had the memory work fine until I switched to Win2K. Investigating, I found that there was an unsoldered pin on one of the chips. Obviously Win 95 didn't actually use that memory, and Win2k/WinNT uses everything it can get the problem never occured under Win95. This would not have been a problem with ECC memory since the hardware would have used the extra bits to correct the bad data line on every read. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
There is Parity memory and there is ECC memory, but when the buyers always want the cheapest ... You don't really expect a 500$ PC to have all the stuff that is built into a 5000$ machine, do you ? I think it way off to use software to mask hardware faults. Rene Jon Elson wrote: > > Whew! Having worked on a number of mini-mainframe systems over > the years (when they were king) and having gotten used to having > the computer stop rather than blundering on destroying data in > hidden ways, this is really intolerable! It is totally apalling that > modern > computers don't even have parity in most cases, no less ECC memory. > I guess there are "server-grade" motherboards that do have these > features. > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
Motherboards and BIOS settings support both ECC and non-ECC memory in most cases . It's up to whoever assembles the system to decide what to use. Best Regards, Matt Tudor, MSEE- RF Design & Consulting Gigahertz Electronics http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com -Original Message- From: Jon Elson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Protel EDA Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes >Jeff Adolphs wrote: > >> Thanks to all for all the advise!! >> >> My latest theroy is that the extended RAM module was indeed bad. AutoCAD >> 2000 is running good without the RAM module. I am assuming current >> Protel projects may have had the Databases corrupted (when the bad RAM >> card was in place) and why I continue to get Protel crashes (although I >> haven't worked on Protel since using Database repair). >> >> At this point I have been able to get work done in all software >> programs. Time will tell whether I have other issues involved and I will >> keep the info from the group in mind. > >Whew! Having worked on a number of mini-mainframe systems over >the years (when they were king) and having gotten used to having >the computer stop rather than blundering on destroying data in >hidden ways, this is really intolerable! It is totally apalling that >modern >computers don't even have parity in most cases, no less ECC memory. >I guess there are "server-grade" motherboards that do have these >features. > >Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
Jeff Adolphs wrote: > Thanks to all for all the advise!! > > My latest theroy is that the extended RAM module was indeed bad. AutoCAD > 2000 is running good without the RAM module. I am assuming current > Protel projects may have had the Databases corrupted (when the bad RAM > card was in place) and why I continue to get Protel crashes (although I > haven't worked on Protel since using Database repair). > > At this point I have been able to get work done in all software > programs. Time will tell whether I have other issues involved and I will > keep the info from the group in mind. Whew! Having worked on a number of mini-mainframe systems over the years (when they were king) and having gotten used to having the computer stop rather than blundering on destroying data in hidden ways, this is really intolerable! It is totally apalling that modern computers don't even have parity in most cases, no less ECC memory. I guess there are "server-grade" motherboards that do have these features. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
Thanks to all for all the advise!! My latest theroy is that the extended RAM module was indeed bad. AutoCAD 2000 is running good without the RAM module. I am assuming current Protel projects may have had the Databases corrupted (when the bad RAM card was in place) and why I continue to get Protel crashes (although I haven't worked on Protel since using Database repair). At this point I have been able to get work done in all software programs. Time will tell whether I have other issues involved and I will keep the info from the group in mind. Jeff Adolphs -Original Message- From: Bob Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:04 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes I too use a Compaq, although not the same as yours, and get maybe 2-5 lock-ups per week. I don't think they are Protel (Altium, whatever) related. I think they may be memory leaks or hardware related. Today, as a matter of fact I've downloaded a program called "Memokit" from MacAfee, suppose to improve memory leaks and memory performance and all that good stuff. I'll try to keep you posted. - Original Message - From: "Jeff Adolphs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:19 PM Subject: [PEDA] Protel Crashes Hello! I have had extended RAM removed from my computer thinking the RAM was bad. Computer is Compaq Ipaq, now with 64 meg of RAM, W2K. Day One: no computer crashes. Day Two: three Protel 99SE crashes. All three gave an error window starting with something like: Access violation at address 00444C65 in module 'Client99... All three crashes were in a span of 5 1/2 hours (10:15 AM EST, 11:15 AM EST, and 3:00 PM EST). Question: Could the 3 Protel 99SE crashes be from running with only 64 meg of RAM, Protel needs reloaded from numerous crashes with bad extended RAM, or other hardware problems suspected? Any guesses? Thank You! Jeff * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
I too use a Compaq, although not the same as yours, and get maybe 2-5 lock-ups per week. I don't think they are Protel (Altium, whatever) related. I think they may be memory leaks or hardware related. Today, as a matter of fact I've downloaded a program called "Memokit" from MacAfee, suppose to improve memory leaks and memory performance and all that good stuff. I'll try to keep you posted. - Original Message - From: "Jeff Adolphs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:19 PM Subject: [PEDA] Protel Crashes Hello! I have had extended RAM removed from my computer thinking the RAM was bad. Computer is Compaq Ipaq, now with 64 meg of RAM, W2K. Day One: no computer crashes. Day Two: three Protel 99SE crashes. All three gave an error window starting with something like: Access violation at address 00444C65 in module 'Client99... All three crashes were in a span of 5 1/2 hours (10:15 AM EST, 11:15 AM EST, and 3:00 PM EST). Question: Could the 3 Protel 99SE crashes be from running with only 64 meg of RAM, Protel needs reloaded from numerous crashes with bad extended RAM, or other hardware problems suspected? Any guesses? Thank You! Jeff * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
At 03:27 PM 11/26/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: >I have seen Protel crash with similar access violation messages when, during >Protel startup, you switch the focus to another application while Protel is >scanning files. I think I've seen that also. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
IIRC, the Ipaq series uses on-board video that shares the main RAM (no dedicated VRAM, yuck). Also I think it has no expansion slots so you can't even try a separate video card with dedicated VRAM. Sharing memory between applications and video is asking for trouble with any graphics intensive programs. It's Ok for word processing, other office type applications and simple children's games but, it is nothing but trouble for serious CAD or, graphics editing (and 3D games too). I think you need a different PC as others have suggested. Paul > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Adolphs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:20 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) > Subject: [PEDA] Protel Crashes > > > Hello! I have had extended RAM removed from my computer thinking the RAM > was bad. > > Computer is Compaq Ipaq, now with 64 meg of RAM, W2K. > > Day One: no computer crashes. > > Day Two: three Protel 99SE crashes. All three gave an error window > starting with something like: Access violation at address 00444C65 in > module 'Client99... All three crashes were in a span of 5 1/2 hours > (10:15 AM EST, 11:15 AM EST, and 3:00 PM EST). > > Question: Could the 3 Protel 99SE crashes be from running with only 64 > meg of RAM, Protel needs reloaded from numerous crashes with bad > extended RAM, or other hardware problems suspected? Any guesses? > > Thank You! > Jeff > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
At 03:19 PM 11/26/01 -0500, Jeff Adolphs wrote: >Hello! I have had extended RAM removed from my computer thinking the RAM >was bad. > >Computer is Compaq Ipaq, now with 64 meg of RAM, W2K. As I recall, this has Compaq on-board video? >Day One: no computer crashes. >Day Two: three Protel 99SE crashes. All three gave an error window >starting with something like: Access violation at address 00444C65 in >module 'Client99... All three crashes were in a span of 5 1/2 hours >(10:15 AM EST, 11:15 AM EST, and 3:00 PM EST). > >Question: Could the 3 Protel 99SE crashes be from running with only 64 >meg of RAM,... Possibly. But I would not think of that first. > Protel needs reloaded from numerous crashes with bad >extended RAM, Possibly. Not likely, but possible. Uninstalling Protel and reloading would rule this out (especially if the ini and rcs files are also made new. No harm in keeping the old ones somewhere else if you have some customization you'd like to get back.) > or other hardware problems suspected? Any guesses? CPU socket bad. If symptoms can be seen to change, at least temporarily, from reseating the CPU, this would indicate a bad socket (or CPU pin or other motherboard defect). Video bad or incompatible. Other malfunctioning memory. Aren't intermittent failures wonderful? Protel, in a fully functioning system, does not crash like Mr. Adolphs reported, with the exception of certain buggy areas of the program, which will be associated with the use of these areas, which are not your common, everyday tools for most people. So the problem is almost certainly bad hardware or a software interaction. One could try running Protel as bare as possible. Ah, yes. Turn off video acceleration, its an easy step. In Windows 98SE, this would be Start/Settings/Control Panel/Display/Settings/Advanced/Hardware Acceleration/, set the slider to None. If this improves the program behavior, it may not prove that the video hardware is the problem, but it would certainly be a clue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
Jeff: I have seen Protel crash with similar access violation messages when, during Protel startup, you switch the focus to another application while Protel is scanning files. This happened to me last week. For some reason, the day after, it was "healed" and didn't do it anymore. If that describes what happened with you, it's probably some Delphi nonsense. It can't be due to insufficient RAM - I've got 512MB. If that's not what happened with you, it could be insufficient RAM. Of course, with Compaq, everything is suspect. I'm running W2K SP2 on dual-PIII generic white box PC. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: "Jeff Adolphs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:19 PM Subject: [PEDA] Protel Crashes Hello! I have had extended RAM removed from my computer thinking the RAM was bad. Computer is Compaq Ipaq, now with 64 meg of RAM, W2K. Day One: no computer crashes. Day Two: three Protel 99SE crashes. All three gave an error window starting with something like: Access violation at address 00444C65 in module 'Client99... All three crashes were in a span of 5 1/2 hours (10:15 AM EST, 11:15 AM EST, and 3:00 PM EST). Question: Could the 3 Protel 99SE crashes be from running with only 64 meg of RAM, Protel needs reloaded from numerous crashes with bad extended RAM, or other hardware problems suspected? Any guesses? Thank You! Jeff * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Crashes
Though 64MByte are lower than the recommended size it shouldn't crash. It could also be caused by faulty drivers, be it graphics drivers, USB drivers, whatever. Rene Jeff Adolphs wrote: > > Hello! I have had extended RAM removed from my computer thinking the RAM > was bad. > > Computer is Compaq Ipaq, now with 64 meg of RAM, W2K. > > Day One: no computer crashes. > > Day Two: three Protel 99SE crashes. All three gave an error window > starting with something like: Access violation at address 00444C65 in > module 'Client99... All three crashes were in a span of 5 1/2 hours > (10:15 AM EST, 11:15 AM EST, and 3:00 PM EST). > > Question: Could the 3 Protel 99SE crashes be from running with only 64 > meg of RAM, Protel needs reloaded from numerous crashes with bad > extended RAM, or other hardware problems suspected? Any guesses? > > Thank You! > Jeff * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Protel Crashes
Hello! I have had extended RAM removed from my computer thinking the RAM was bad. Computer is Compaq Ipaq, now with 64 meg of RAM, W2K. Day One: no computer crashes. Day Two: three Protel 99SE crashes. All three gave an error window starting with something like: Access violation at address 00444C65 in module 'Client99... All three crashes were in a span of 5 1/2 hours (10:15 AM EST, 11:15 AM EST, and 3:00 PM EST). Question: Could the 3 Protel 99SE crashes be from running with only 64 meg of RAM, Protel needs reloaded from numerous crashes with bad extended RAM, or other hardware problems suspected? Any guesses? Thank You! Jeff * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
