Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
- Original Message - From: David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM One of my Quanta jobs is to co-ordinate show dates - pity Quanta doesn't set an example by informing me of their plans! Best Wishes, Geoff The AGM 200g will be held on weekwnd of 8th April. That is the week before Easter, the next after that is St George's Day and the next after that is the May Bank Holiday so it is really the only one available. Just in case no one else replies, there is at the moment no date fixed for the 2006 Quanta AGM. If not the same Hymn sheet, perhaps his hers sheets ?? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 06/09/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
Tony The AGM 200g will be held on weekwnd of 8th April. That is the week before Easter, the next after that is St George's Day and the next after that is the May Bank Holiday so it is really the only one available. Regards Sarah - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: [ql-users] Quanta AGM Is there a date for the 2006 Quanta AGM? I can't believe it is not fixed, but the site only shows this year's AGM! It really does need to be fixed to stop clashes in shows. Last year I was in the USA on the date of the AGM. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
- Original Message - From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: [ql-users] Quanta AGM Just in case no one else replies, there is at the moment no date fixed for the 2006 Quanta AGM. There will be an invitation for local groups to make their bids in the next Quanta Magazine due out later this month. This should have been in the last issue, but that was a bit of an emergency issue given the absence of an editor. Having just written that, if everything that we have discussed gets into the next issue, it should be a good one. Mainly devoted to Quanta matters prior to QL is 21. I agree we should really try to fix AGM details up to 12 months in advance. At the moment there are no plans I know of for any shows in 2006, so first come, first served. Unofficially, what's the betting we could be talking Manchester late April, but not 15th/16th as that is Easter? (I'm going to be told off for that!) Best Wishes, Geoff Is there a date for the 2006 Quanta AGM? I can't believe it is not fixed, but the site only shows this year's AGM! It really does need to be fixed to stop clashes in shows. Last year I was in the USA on the date of the AGM. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
On Mon, 9 May 2005 at 23:14:35, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I have at last got around to getting the show photos on line: http://firshman.co.uk/showphotos/Quanta-agm2005/ I need help with a couple of names. Well that was Barbara not Julia! Whoops - of course it is. sorry, Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
On Mon, 9 May 2005 at 00:11:02, John Southern wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Monday 09 May 2005 00:04, Tony Firshman wrote: I need help with a couple of names. Unknown. I am forgetting names in my old age. Help -- Roy Kempton? Thanks. There is another: http://firshman.co.uk/showphotos/Quanta-agm2005/pages/IMG_2724.htm Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
Arrrggg... I have been wrecking my head as to this customers name. He has bought a lot of stuff from me in the past, but his name escapes me. I have an address label he gave me in an old diary at home, but that's in Wicklow 200 miles from here while the house his being done up.. :-(( Darren. -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 May 2005 14:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005 On Mon, 9 May 2005 at 00:11:02, John Southern wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Monday 09 May 2005 00:04, Tony Firshman wrote: I need help with a couple of names. Unknown. I am forgetting names in my old age. Help -- Roy Kempton? Thanks. There is another: http://firshman.co.uk/showphotos/Quanta-agm2005/pages/IMG_2724.htm Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
Re: I have an address label he gave me in an old diary at home, but that's in Wicklow 200 miles from here while the house his being done up.. :-(( Darren Serves you right you rampant two-house capitalist! ;) John in Wales PS I'm chuckling about the RSM at Sandhurst who, when asked about Wales' impending period under his supervision said, I shall call him 'sir'! and he shall call me 'sir'. The difference is - he will mean it! (J in W. Ex very junior staff, Sandhurst) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
On Mon, 9 May 2005 at 21:12:10, hitchies wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: I have an address label he gave me in an old diary at home, but that's in Wicklow 200 miles from here while the house his being done up.. :-(( Darren ... and quite a few have told me it is John Moody Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I have at last got around to getting the show photos on line: http://firshman.co.uk/showphotos/Quanta-agm2005/ I need help with a couple of names. Well that was Barbara not Julia! -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 skype : royqbranch web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM 2005
On Monday 09 May 2005 00:04, Tony Firshman wrote: I need help with a couple of names. Unknown. I am forgetting names in my old age. Help -- Roy Kempton? John S ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
Geoff Wicks wrote: I was surprised that there had been no comment re. the special resolutions - I think that the new clauses 5.3 - 5.6 are a very bad idea and will be voting against the resolution. (If I was a conspiracy theorist I might read something into the fact that they are not mentioned in the relevant section of the Chairman's Report...) I am also surprised that there has not been more discussion of the constitutional amendments. I am not sure what John infers by his conspiracy theorists comments. You know me, Geoff - I would never infer (or imply) anything :-) As it happens, I am _not_ a conspiracy theorist - if anything, I am a cock-up theorist :-) Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence (Napoleon Bonaparte) John ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
- Original Message - From: John Hall To: QL Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM I was surprised that there had been no comment re. the special resolutions - I think that the new clauses 5.3 - 5.6 are a very bad idea and will be voting against the resolution. (If I was a conspiracy theorist I might read something into the fact that they are not mentioned in the relevant section of the Chairman's Report...) I am also surprised that there has not been more discussion of the constitutional amendments. I am not sure what John infers by his conspiracy theorists comments. I was intending to remain silent but, in the absence of official Quanta comment, here is some background information. The first that I and other committee members heard of the amendments was when we were confronted with them at the committee meeting on 5th February 2005. The chairman assures me, and I have no reason to doubt his word, that he had sent the proposals to the Secretary before 1st February in accordance with article 8.3 of the constitution. This does raise the question about why the proposals were not circulated to committee members well before the meeting. At the meeting no formal vote was take, but my impression of the consensus was that members felt the proposals merited more detailed discussion within both committee and wider membership and should lie on the table until the 2006 AGM. I was therefore surprised to find the motions on the 2005 AGM agenda and on 24th February I emailed all members of the committee giving my objections. Only the chairman reacted to this email. In a long telephone discussion with the chairman on, I believe, 25th February we reached a substantial measure of agreement. Namely that whatever the misgivings of the committee members at the meeting, they had had ample opportunity to think about the resolutions and no one had raised any further objections. To be absolutely sure about this the chairman offered to email all members of the committee allowing them to again object to the proposals. This he did on 26th February and no member of the committee reacted to this email. I am therefore satisfied beyond any shadow of doubt that the special resolutions are committee resolutions and that my five committee colleagues actively support them. I shall expect them all to vote for and support the resolutions at the AGM. As the single dissenter on the committee I am allowed some leaway. I shall vote against special resolution 1 and for special resolution 2. I can see some theoretical merits in special resolution 1. Indeed I have tried to persuade other committees I have been on to adopt similar procedures, although I would have preferred elections for a 2 year term with half of the committee to stand down each year. In practice however, given the present reluctance of members to stand for the committee, I find the proposals idiotic and unworkable. Special resolution 2 is the reverse position. I loathe it theoretically, but believe we have no alternative in practice. Given the small size of the present committee the present quorum is unrealistic. I should add that the present proposal is an amendment of an earlier version, and, as it is my amendment, I am duty bound to support it. One final point. At the committee meeting no member of the committee was aware that constitutional amendments require a two-thirds majority. On another issue, I think members should be aware that, whatever the outcome of the AGM, the new committee could be confronted with a major crisis. They have to find a new editor for the magazine, and if this proves difficult or impossible, it could have serious repercussions for the implementation of many of Quanta's aspirations for the future, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
Tarquin Mills wrote: Questions. 1. What would Geoff Wicks do differently as leader? 2. Why should I approve Special Resolution 2 when they can have enough members by co-opting? 3. Why should I approve SP1 when it stops the top posts changing democratically (new clause 5.3), and the burn out has already happened? Imagine if the Magazine Editor post had been done this way. I was surprised that there had been no comment re. the special resolutions - I think that the new clauses 5.3 - 5.6 are a very bad idea and will be voting against the resolution. (If I was a conspiracy theorist I might read something into the fact that they are not mentioned in the relevant section of the Chairman's Report...) John ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM
On Monday 28 March 2005 17:58, Tarquin Mills wrote: Questions. 1. What would Geoff Wicks do differently as leader? 2. Why should I approve Special Resolution 2 when they can have enough members by co-opting? 3. Why should I approve SP1 when it stops the top posts changing democratically (new clause 5.3), and the burn out has already happened? Imagine if the Magazine Editor post had been done this way. 4. Is anyone other than The Chairman of the meeting offering to do proxy voting for me? If you are not going to attend, can I request a proxy form soon? The final date for receipt is Sunday. I have received a few forms that indicate the form is not as clear as it could be. This is where individuals have voted for BOTH John and Geoff as Chairman. While this may be a novel solution, it is unfortunately an OR option. Speaking (typing) as myself and not on behalf of the committee :- 1. Ask Geoff ! 4. If no one else offers, as a last resort, I am happy to act as your proxy as long as you direct me to which way you want to vote. John S ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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4. If no one else offers, as a last resort, I am happy to act as your proxy as long as you direct me to which way you want to vote. John S John, is there a mechanism for people to request a copy of the current constitution if they want it? I'm up to date I think, there may be some who've either mislaid their copy or not sure if they have an up to date copy. To who should they apply if they wish to receive a current copy? (At work, not sure if it says in newsletter or not) Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
- Original Message - From: Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: [ql-users] Quanta 2005 Just a quick comment - one of the reasons that the Quanta committee seemed to want the QL 2005 meeting down south was because they thought that Manchester was not capable of holding such a prestigious event. Well its now apparently good enough for the Labour Party Conference as they are moving there... So why not the QL?? -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ JG Everyone seems to think that Manchester is built out of Scout Huts (or Headquarters as we prefer to call them!) We are already looking for a more prestigious venue for AGM 2006. Rest assured, We'll find one! Regards, John Gilpin Nemqlug Sub-Group. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
At 18:07 16/01/2005 +, you wrote: Everyone seems to think that Manchester is built out of Scout Huts (or Headquarters as we prefer to call them!) We are already looking for a more prestigious venue for AGM 2006. So the 2005 on the very edge of the country, almost as far away from as many members as possible. Should make for a quiet AGM and for the swapping of hats. You could start from the other end, where do members/users live ? Select a location to suit them, the possible visitors rather than a clique. But from a general point of convenience it would surely be Brum or London. For whom is the prestige being sought ? Is it the 300 or so members, or the handful that responded to the survey, what potential or likely attendance ? Perhaps a Scout hut after all. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
- Original Message - From: Rich Mellor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: [ql-users] Quanta 2005 Just a quick comment - one of the reasons that the Quanta committee seemed to want the QL 2005 meeting down south was because they thought that Manchester was not capable of holding such a prestigious event. Well its now apparently good enough for the Labour Party Conference as they are moving there... So why not the QL?? Because as an organisation Quanta is not worried by massive Liberal Democrat gains in the Manchester area. Whilst I would agree there is a general prejudice against Manchester, or anything north of the Thames, in the QL community, that was not relevant to Quanta's decision. It had much more to do with the cock-up theory. Or our old friends, the keywords PISS_UP and BREWERY. Quanta's current aim is to make the AGM the number one UK show each year. In May 2004 the committee decided to hold a two day show (QL2005) to include the AGM somewhere in the south as it was the south's turn. For reasons that are still unclear to me by the end of October 2004 nothing had been done to organise this. By that time it was too late for the deadlines of both the Quanta Magazine and QL-Today to ensure adequate publicity beforehand or to arrange a show programme. The event was postponed until October and for some reason the decision to remain in the south stuck. John Gilpin would like to have a major event (+AGM) in Manchester at the end of April 2006. Let's be positive and make something good of that, Best Wishes, Geoff (personal) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
- Original Message - From: David Tubbs To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005 You could start from the other end, where do members/users live ? Select a location to suit them, the possible visitors rather than a clique. If you are a member of Quanta, you should already know the answer to this question. See my article in the Quanta Magazine Vol 21 issue 5/6 page 14. If you are not a member of Quanta, I am not interested in your opinions about where we hold our AGM, Best Wishes, Geoff (personal) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QUANTA AGM 2005
Well, at least it is several times correct on the last page, isn't it? :-) Jochen William Newell wrote: Have just received my copy of QLToday - Nov/Dec edition and on reading the QUANTA advert was astounded to learn that Portishead has moved from Bristol to Hove or is it only the Town Hall that has moved? Surely this should read PORTSLADE? I think that somebody has lost their sense of direction - hands up the culprit. Bill Newell ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QUANTA AGM 2005
Yes, Jochen, Every is correct at the (End) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and all Qlers Bill. - Original Message - From: Jochen Merz Shareware [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QUANTA AGM 2005 Well, at least it is several times correct on the last page, isn't it? :-) Jochen William Newell wrote: Have just received my copy of QLToday - Nov/Dec edition and on reading the QUANTA advert was astounded to learn that Portishead has moved from Bristol to Hove or is it only the Town Hall that has moved? Surely this should read PORTSLADE? I think that somebody has lost their sense of direction - hands up the culprit. Bill Newell ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 at 11:51:53, Rich Mellor wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) It is nice to know that Quanta are indeed planning on holding a big show in 2005 to celebrate 21 years of the QL. However, what a shame that it is to be held in Portsmouth.. I would have thought that QL 2005 should be held in Birmingham or Manchester snip I agree. I would prefer Birmingham. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005
- Original Message - From: Rich Mellor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: [ql-users] Quanta 2005 It is nice to know that Quanta are indeed planning on holding a big show in 2005 to celebrate 21 years of the QL. However, what a shame that it is to be held in Portsmouth.. I would have thought that QL 2005 should be held in Birmingham or Manchester - Writing personally I am inclined to agree with this, but I think we should be realistic and accept that Portsmouth is the choice. The history was that the show was originally to be part of a weekend in which the Quanta AGM would be held. 2005 was the turn for a southern AGM. For some reason the venue was not booked in time, and as you know, but the rest of the list probably not, about 6 weeks ago we traders said it was too late to combine the show with the AGM because there was no time to organise adequate publicity etc. Quanta has now done its research on the possible venues including visiting the premises and if we were change this there would be further delay and expense. As a point of interest we are already thinking of the 2006 AGM which is likely to be held in Manchester. We are trying to plan the show programme well in advance to avoid clashes like the unfortunate one between the AGM and the USA show earlier this year. (In this way we have just avoided a similar nasty clash between the Quanta show, a USA show and an Eindhoven show in a Autumn 2005.) Just out of interest. How long ago was it that there was a Quanta Birmingham show? I cannot remember a single one in about 15 years, although there was a show in Selston, East Midlands in, I believe, 1998. The West Midlands does have a sub group. Are they not interested in organising a show? Best Wishes Geoff (personal opinion) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:18:20 -, gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cut Writing personally I am inclined to agree with this, but I think we should be realistic and accept that Portsmouth is the choice. The history was that the show was originally to be part of a weekend in which the Quanta AGM would be held. 2005 was the turn for a southern AGM. For some reason the venue was not booked in time, and as you know, but the rest of the list probably not, about 6 weeks ago we traders said it was too late to combine the show with the AGM because there was no time to organise adequate publicity etc. Quanta has now done its research on the possible venues including visiting the premises and if we were change this there would be further delay and expense. Yes, but it might actually be cheaper than the fees for hiring a place in Portsmouth - especially if one has not yet been chosen. The issue of geography was raised some weeks ago on this list (before QL2004). Just out of interest. How long ago was it that there was a Quanta Birmingham show? I cannot remember a single one in about 15 years, although there was a show in Selston, East Midlands in, I believe, 1998. The West Midlands does have a sub group. Are they not interested in organising a show? Don't think there ever has been one in Birmingham (despite the active sub-group), although I remember there being QL stalls at a general vintage computer fair at the staffordshire show ground (in the last days of CGH Services) and also at the Birmingham Motorcycle Museum (what a shame so many of their bikes were destroyed in a fire) Don't forget, there used to be plenty of shows held in Nottingham / Derby as well if memory serves me right. Best Wishes Geoff (personal opinion) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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And if he told you he'd probably have to kill you ;-) Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: Duncan Neithercut [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Quanta Sorry Tarquin but I am not in posession of that exact information. Duncan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tarquin Mills Sent: 26 November 2004 16:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ql-users] Quanta Duncan Neithercut wrote: The final statement is the killer to close down the discussion at a premature stage by requesting volunteers for an unspecified project with no known resources and an indeterminate closure. This is from Classic committee tactics to block something new - read the UK local government and civil servants classified training manual 2005 edition, its on the web. Could we have the URI please. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Quanta
Duncan Neithercut wrote: The final statement is the killer to close down the discussion at a premature stage by requesting volunteers for an unspecified project with no known resources and an indeterminate closure. This is from Classic committee tactics to block something new - read the UK local government and civil servants classified training manual 2005 edition, its on the web. Could we have the URI please. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web site
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony Firshman wrote: I have put a link on my web form to http://www.quanta.org.uk for details of this mailing list (simply copied what was on the paper form). Where is mention of the list? I can't see it anywhere. politician I expected something like this, it was removed because of what is going on this list, Quanta will probably say it was because they realised that it is a non-Quanta owned list now. There is a high likelihood of further action against the people who are anti most of the committee and the mailing list. /politician I have put this link on my form: http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Also http://www.sadeye.co.uk on the workshops page is not HREF linked. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web site
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony Firshman wrote: I have put a link on my web form to http://www.quanta.org.uk for details of this mailing list (simply copied what was on the paper form). Where is mention of the list? I can't see it anywhere. politician I expected something like this, it was removed because of what is going on this list, Quanta will probably say it was because they realised that it is a non-Quanta owned list now. There is a high likelihood of further action against the people who are anti most of the committee and the mailing list, after sundays committee meeting (got dragged to shops before I could complete the last email). /politician I have put this link on my form: http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Also http://www.sadeye.co.uk on the workshops page is not HREF linked. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web site
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 at 12:44:19, Tarquin Mills wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony Firshman wrote: I have put a link on my web form to http://www.quanta.org.uk for details of this mailing list (simply copied what was on the paper form). Where is mention of the list? I can't see it anywhere. politician I expected something like this, it was removed because of what is going on this list, Quanta will probably say it was because they realised that it is a non-Quanta owned list now. There is a high likelihood of further action against the people who are anti most of the committee and the mailing list, How anyone say they are 'against the mailing list'? It is like saying I am against the blackboard or against the post office. after sundays committee meeting (got dragged to shops before I could complete the last email). /politician Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
BTW thanks to Lau for the background. I nicked it from his site in the mid 90s (8-)# Does anyone know the name of the French made floppy disk interface? Tony Datel? Well done for your work on the questionnaire form, Tony. I stayed out of this, as I've had to do a similar large info gathering thing for my employer's website, from scratch. I was lucky, I was able to use a ready to use perl script from the ISP, although there are several almost ready to use ones out there such as the interestingly named tfmail. See www.cartersremovals.co.uk for how I set up the rather large form. For me, the problem was more how to present the data in a readable format to arrive by email. My boss actually wanted to automate the estimating process so that a computer sent the estimate back (validated by a human first!) but that idea was hastilly withdrawn when I managed to show that a £250 estimate was turned into a £25,000 estimate by careful wording to 'trick' the validation process. I was quite glad of that... Maybe somebody will 'break' your work to show there are millions of QLers responding to the Quanta questionnaire ;-) Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web site
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I have put a link on my web form to http://www.quanta.org.uk for details of this mailing list (simply copied what was on the paper form). Where is mention of the list? I can't see it anywhere. I have put this link on my form: http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Also http://www.sadeye.co.uk on the workshops page is not HREF linked. Tony I have just filled in the form. What does this mean ? it is hardly good English : 'Thanks for the input. Please fill in a form if you have problems with filling in the form, or want to make suggestions on improvements.' Also having said I do not have a Minerva 12C expansion it insisted I told it which one I have -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web site
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 at 23:43:46, Roy wood wrote:
(ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I have put a link on my web form to http://www.quanta.org.uk for details
of this mailing list (simply copied what was on the paper form).
Where is mention of the list? I can't see it anywhere.
I have put this link on my form:
http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Also http://www.sadeye.co.uk on the workshops page is not HREF linked.
Tony
I have just filled in the form. What does this mean ? it is hardly good
English :
'Thanks for the input.
Please fill in a form if you have problems with filling in the form,
or want to make suggestions on improvements.'
This was linked to a new form. How about this:
Please fill in a different a href=/scripts/form2.cgi
target=Uform/a if you had problems with the questionnaire, or want
to make suggestions on improvements.
Also having said I do not have a Minerva 12C expansion it insisted I
told it which one I have
Corrected.
I had:
if ( $data{aurora} eq yes )
{
getm(i2c_type);
}
... so I only checked for I2C if you had an aurora, which you did (8-)#
Tony
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Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
At 02:09 23/11/2004 +, you wrote: Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi Does it not need the submit button to test breakpoint ? How is it designed to respond to no answer re DateJoined ? A DateOLapse ? Anyway much easier to view now, ta. You still don't like QEP III Qontrol from Care. I presume it will stay on your server for collation, while folk here are fully aware and Members will be (E)mailed(?), will you and other traders mail your own lists so all users are invited to participate ? ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 19:15:47, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:48:49, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) Noted. I have a rehearsal in Berkhamsted at 16:30 so I will be leaving a bit before 15:30. Ken Brickwood - can you please remind me to bring your minisQL nearer the day. I will charge only a standard QL repair cost. The CF reader fitted in very well and it was all working when I did it (months ago!). Better if I remind you to remind yourself to bring the minisQL to Byfleet, as he did mention it at the last London Group meeting. Seriously, please remind me on Saturday. I have been carrying the d*d thing to shows for months, but sods law will say I forget this time. OK. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta
Sorry John, but my strong belief is that, if friends or associates are involved, it is even more important to have a legal agreement when any kind of business and/or financial activities are involved. Otherwise, you are risking some very hard feelings if something is not understood or goes wrong. Unfortunately I have my own personal experience with this and know others who have also gone through some bad stuff. I would hope that any business activity that Quanta undertakes has a legal agreement of some type. Doesn't have to be over bearing or bundled with a bunch of lawyers (after all, the idea is that we do trust each other I would hope), but it does need to be there. This also protects Quanta because, if there are any questions about how something is done, there is a solid paper trail that at least shows the good intent behind the activities. Cheers, jim On Nov 23, 2004, at 10:15 AM, John Taylor wrote: Didn't they extend a loan to DD systems to get the Q60 built (further?). (...) Yes they did, and a very straight forward and successful arrangement it was and fully repaid within 12 months. This is the sort of thing that Quanta would be willing to consider for other projects but no one has come forward with a project. John Gilpin.(Treasurer) It wasn't quite as simple as that John. Dennis and Derek asked me if it were possible to get Quanta to market the Q60 so that they could concentrate on the production. I agreed to approach the committee on their behalf. The Chairman, Robin Barker, called a meeting specifically to discuss that and DD were invited to attend. Previous to the meeting the proposal had already met with a flat refusal from the Chairman. He was however willing to discuss financing DD and to that end John Mason turned up with a two and a quarter page legal agreement. This despite not having put in an appearance at two previous committee meetings. My first reaction was to get up and walk out. If DD were to be trusted, a simple statement, even a verbal one, would have been binding. If they weren't to be trusted then we shouldn't have been dealing with them. Finally it was agreed that DD would submit all invoices to me for payment and I would instruct the Quanta Treasurer to make the required payments. In return, when a sale had been completed they would send the money to me and I would place such money in to the Quanta bank account. I kept records and would have acted on these in the event of a dispute. Trust was not always in evidence I am afraid, especially from Robin Barker and John Mason. The rest of the committee merely acquiesced when requested by the Chairman. If the financing of projects is to be conducted in this manner, then they are dead in the water, for heavens sake, we are dealing with people we have known for years. Therein lies the problem. John Mason has never been active among the Quanta members or the QL community beyond the traders, the Dorset sub group and the committee. I have said it before. Attitudes are too deeply ingrained in the current committee, it has become a little closed shop or mutual admiration society. For a healthy active committee you have got to have conflict. The members must believe in what they are doing even if the others disagree. John Taylor ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 17:16:38, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 02:09 23/11/2004 +, you wrote: Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi Does it not need the submit button to test breakpoint ? It has had a submit button (well two now) since about 2am today. How is it designed to respond to no answer re DateJoined ? A DateOLapse ? It copes (8-)# It is working now, so you can try. Anyway much easier to view now, ta. You still don't like QEP III Qontrol from Care. I ran out of energy and time! In now. I presume it will stay on your server for collation, while folk here are fully aware and Members will be (E)mailed(?), will you and other traders mail your own lists so all users are invited to participate ? Good idea. I will send an emailshot when it is working OK. I will wait for the next bug first (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 21:33:07, P Witte wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tony Firshman writes: I did check it out, and it looks great! My problem is not with your form, but that I dont think the questions have been well enough thought through, and that was not your department. Can the form be filled in off-line and then be uploaded on a second connection? No - it relies on a POST operation. Well, I did fill it in off-line and submitted it on the next dialup. Thank goodness for that! Ah I misunderstood. Yes of course you can do that. It needs no internet connection while you are using the form - it does not check on the fly. I have now corrected today's bugs (I hope). The insisting on 'yes' was down to me using == as a perl string comparitor. It needs eq (8-(# I have now extended it to non-Quanta members, and will then only store in my local database. although, John S, I could easily mail -all- replies to you as well. What do you want me to do? You can easily identify non Quanta members on the form results. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta
- Original Message - From: James Hunkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta Sorry John, but my strong belief is that, if friends or associates are involved, it is even more important to have a legal agreement when any kind of business and/or financial activities are involved. Otherwise, you are risking some very hard feelings if something is not understood or goes wrong. Unfortunately I have my own personal experience with this and know others who have also gone through some bad stuff. I would hope that any business activity that Quanta undertakes has a legal agreement of some type. Doesn't have to be over bearing or bundled with a bunch of lawyers (after all, the idea is that we do trust each other I would hope), but it does need to be there. This also protects Quanta because, if there are any questions about how something is done, there is a solid paper trail that at least shows the good intent behind the activities. Cheers, jim I coundn't agree with you more Jim. I wasn't in office when the D D agreement was formulated, I only had to administer it afterwards. Perhaps that is why I feel that it was so straightforward. I've bee a personal friend of my Bank Manager for many years but I have been unable to get him to give me preferential treatment because of it and I honour his decisions (and the many pages of legalese that I have had to sign during my business life) John Gilpin. On Nov 23, 2004, at 10:15 AM, John Taylor wrote: Didn't they extend a loan to DD systems to get the Q60 built (further?). (...) Yes they did, and a very straight forward and successful arrangement it was and fully repaid within 12 months. This is the sort of thing that Quanta would be willing to consider for other projects but no one has come forward with a project. John Gilpin.(Treasurer) It wasn't quite as simple as that John. Dennis and Derek asked me if it were possible to get Quanta to market the Q60 so that they could concentrate on the production. I agreed to approach the committee on their behalf. The Chairman, Robin Barker, called a meeting specifically to discuss that and DD were invited to attend. Previous to the meeting the proposal had already met with a flat refusal from the Chairman. He was however willing to discuss financing DD and to that end John Mason turned up with a two and a quarter page legal agreement. This despite not having put in an appearance at two previous committee meetings. My first reaction was to get up and walk out. If DD were to be trusted, a simple statement, even a verbal one, would have been binding. If they weren't to be trusted then we shouldn't have been dealing with them. Finally it was agreed that DD would submit all invoices to me for payment and I would instruct the Quanta Treasurer to make the required payments. In return, when a sale had been completed they would send the money to me and I would place such money in to the Quanta bank account. I kept records and would have acted on these in the event of a dispute. Trust was not always in evidence I am afraid, especially from Robin Barker and John Mason. The rest of the committee merely acquiesced when requested by the Chairman. If the financing of projects is to be conducted in this manner, then they are dead in the water, for heavens sake, we are dealing with people we have known for years. Therein lies the problem. John Mason has never been active among the Quanta members or the QL community beyond the traders, the Dorset sub group and the committee. I have said it before. Attitudes are too deeply ingrained in the current committee, it has become a little closed shop or mutual admiration society. For a healthy active committee you have got to have conflict. The members must believe in what they are doing even if the others disagree. John Taylor ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:48:49, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) Noted. I have a rehearsal in Berkhamsted at 16:30 so I will be leaving a bit before 15:30. Ken Brickwood - can you please remind me to bring your minisQL nearer the day. I will charge only a standard QL repair cost. The CF reader fitted in very well and it was all working when I did it (months ago!). Better if I remind you to remind yourself to bring the minisQL to Byfleet, as he did mention it at the last London Group meeting. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership survey
Even better than that with my 1920 x 1200 :) On Nov 21, 2004, at 8:08 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 01:50:03, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 01:14 22/11/2004 +, you wrote: 1680 wide screen. Must be a wet dream for many and it is often on my lap (8-)# 1680 x 1050 is a fabulous size. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership survey
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 11:49:39, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) TF 1640 x 1050 screen Even better than that with my 1920 x 1200 :) Sounds like boasting in the showers (8-)# ... but this is on my laptop. Nasta made a lovely comment once. I said he ought to keep his emails to one page. He said it was on his similar sized screen to yours (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 19:15:47, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:48:49, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) Noted. I have a rehearsal in Berkhamsted at 16:30 so I will be leaving a bit before 15:30. Ken Brickwood - can you please remind me to bring your minisQL nearer the day. I will charge only a standard QL repair cost. The CF reader fitted in very well and it was all working when I did it (months ago!). Better if I remind you to remind yourself to bring the minisQL to Byfleet, as he did mention it at the last London Group meeting. Seriously, please remind me on Saturday. I have been carrying the d*d thing to shows for months, but sods law will say I forget this time. TOny -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 02:09:03, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) snip Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! The underlying code I mean. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
Tony Firshman wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 02:09:03, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) snip Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! The underlying code I mean. Tony Well here it is :-) Didn't break although I overloaded it :-) It even dealt correctly with Greek characters... A couple of comments... 1. The layout is confusing... better choose a more suitable font for it (Verdana 9 comes to mind ) - Sans Serif is better for easier reading of dense questionnaires. 2. It dealt with a faulty email address at variable email but did not check validity (rudimentary at least) on variable oldemail 3. A little more validity checking to avoid messed up results is needed (ie when you ask for if you have A mouse you can select everything. If you want to check every type of mouse a user could have you should ask... do you use MICE? 4. There's a syntax error in software_devlist's question... it should be interest in doing software development instead of interested doing in software development (I'll do you in is a very Pennsylvanian American English expression :-) -Results Congratulations. You got it all right, but the form goes nowhere yet. Thanks for testing Received POST data: first=firstname=testlastname=testemail=test%40test.comoldemail=test%40test1telno=%2B1234567890year=1985main_system=Q40qluse=hobbyqluse=gamesqluse=personal_correspondenceqluse=writingqluse=businessqluse=programmingqluse=dataqluse=controlqluse=faxingqluse=otherqluse_comment=test+testemulator=yesemulator_type=UQLXemulator_type=QXLemulator_type=Qemulatoremulator_type=Atariemulator_type=otherexpansion=yesexpansion_type=SuperGoldCardexpansion_type=GoldCardexpansion_type=TrumpCardexpansion_type=Medicexpansion_type=superQboardexpansion_type=expanderamexpansion_type=cumanaexpansion_type=technology_researchexpansion_type=Qdiskexpansion_type=Qjumpexpansion_type=Sandyexpansion_type=Frenchexpansion_type=othercased_QL=yesbackplane=mplanebackplane=qplanebackplane=otherderivative=yesderivative_type=Thorderivative_type=Q40derivative_type=Q60derivative_type=CSTderivative_type=otheraurora=yesi2c=yesi2c_type=analoguei2c_type=paralleli2c_type=poweri2c_type=temp_sensorromdisq=yesromdisq_size=2mbromdisq_size=4mbromdisq_size=8mbhermes=yessuperhermes=yeskeyboard=yeskeyboard_type=Di-renkeyboard_type=Falkenburgkeyboard_type=Schoenkeyboard_type=keyboard-productskeyboard_type=otherother_keyboard=Testmouse=yesmouse_type=qimimouse_type=sermousemouse_type=superHermesmouse_type=hardwaremouse_type=otherprinter=yesprinter_name=testtestfloppy=yesharddisk=yesharddisk_size=1harddisk_type=qubideharddisk_type=Miracleharddisk_type=CSTharddisk_type=Falkenburgharddisk_type=otherother_harddisk=Derprograms=yeshelpline=yestopics=Blah+testmailing=yesquantasite=yeswrite_articles=yesworkshops=yesbestworkshop=Testwhynot=Testhappy_with_newsletter=yeshow_improved=Testhelp_Quanta=Testquestion=Testoperating_system=QDOSQDOS_version=JSUoperating_system=MinervaMinerva_version=3.00+%26%23946%3Boperating_system=SMSQESMSQE_version=3.07%2C+3.03+Auroraoperating_system=otherother_version=Blah%21office_suite=yesarcplus=yeswordprocessor=yeswordprocessor_type=Quillwordprocessor_type=Perfectionwordprocessor_type=Text87wordprocessor_type=The_Editorwordprocessor_type=Paragraphwordprocessor_type=otherspreadsheet=yesspreadsheet_type=Abacusspreadsheet_type=Qspreadgames=yesother_programs=Blah+Testsoftware_list=Blahhardware_list=Sattelite+controller%2C+Shed+door+remote+opener+%28Tony+has+already+one+%3B-%29software_development=yessoftware_devlist=+++Interest+doing%3F+Is+that+acceptable+syntax%3Fhardware_development=yeshardware_devlist=++Ahhh+so+that%27s+what+you+meant...comments=Man+I+am+pretty+%3A-%29+Phoebus+%28This+is+test+submission+to+break+Tony%27s+code+%3B-%29+heeheeelast= ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:15:50 +,() Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 02:09:03, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) snip Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi Well if you have written it, it won't break (if it's working of course ;-) hint, hint Wrong types in some cgi scripts :-) ) Your code is excellent as always ;-) Can't say the same about the page's readability though... TIMES New Roman? Hehe It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! ...And 30 pints of beer :-) (Oh and some Provolon(e) cheese ;-) ) Didn't expect anything less from you though :-) You either write it or don't :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
Seems to work for me - nice job. jim On Nov 22, 2004, at 6:09 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: There are a few minor issues concerning error reporting of linked items. However I can see nothing wrong in the POST data on a completed form, so I will code the email sending tomorrow. Hopefully tomorrow morning I will get some feedback before I finish the code later today. Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! BTW thanks to Lau for the background. I nicked it from his site in the mid 90s (8-)# Does anyone know the name of the French made floppy disk interface? Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 21 Nov 2004 at 4:30, Tony Firshman wrote: I think after his comments, I really don't feel like putting myself out at all. Tony (and David!) as I said in an earlier email, don't punish this community in its entirety because of one (or several) disparaging comments made on/off this list. C'me on people, this is the real world - some people WILL not like what you say, WILL make fun of you, WILL ignore you etc... That doesn't mean that most of them will think the same. And, David, just because you have no reaction doesn't mean that you haven't be read and aprreciated. This, I think, is part of the nature of this list. Let's not take ourselves too seriously! Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On 21 Nov 2004 at 1:13, Tony Firshman wrote: PS I hope the Quanta committee will comment. I would be happy to finish the code if they will use it. On the subject of the formn isn't that one written by the canadian Paragraph? Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 10:02:50, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On 21 Nov 2004 at 4:30, Tony Firshman wrote: I think after his comments, I really don't feel like putting myself out at all. Tony (and David!) as I said in an earlier email, don't punish this community in its entirety because of one (or several) disparaging comments made on/off this list. C'me on people, this is the real world - some people WILL not like what you say, WILL make fun of you, WILL ignore you etc... That doesn't mean that most of them will think the same. And, David, just because you have no reaction doesn't mean that you haven't be read and aprreciated. This, I think, is part of the nature of this list. Let's not take ourselves too seriously! I mean for the questionnaire. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 10:20:07, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On 21 Nov 2004 at 1:13, Tony Firshman wrote: PS I hope the Quanta committee will comment. I would be happy to finish the code if they will use it. On the subject of the formn isn't that one written by the canadian Paragraph? It is - amended. It the cold light of day, I am not feeling so angry. I am glad the msg I refer to did not actually reach the list, although I think it was meant to. Was it moderated? I hope the sender will not make it public as it too was an angry email which did not help the situation. I don't think he reads the list, but can those on the committee pass the message on please. You know who I am talking about probably. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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At 04:30 21/11/2004 +, you wrote: Tony wrote The -whole- point of doing the on-line survey was to get someone on the Quanta committee to say they would like to use the form. A forlorn hope I am sure. But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so for traders. There has been some pretty sarcastic comment about me personally in a private email (I think) from a Quanta committee member on another matter which, on reflection, has annoyed me more than I thought at the time. I think after his comments, I really don't feel like putting myself out at all. Quite understandable, there seem to be many more knockers than constructivists here. All my inputs here have generated are facile denials of my assertion that no one is without access to the www. If your troglodyte BC chooses not to avail himself then that his choice. My, you must have had a night of it, I find myself living upside down times these nights. DT ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On 21 Nov 2004 at 14:09, David Tubbs wrote: But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so for traders. Yes of course, why didn't I think of that? Why don't you, Tony, make this available on your website and poll the results yourself? I'm sure it would be very interesting for all of us! (...) Quite understandable, there seem to be many more knockers than constructivists here. All my inputs here have generated are facile denials of my assertion that no one is without access to the www. If your troglodyte BC chooses not to avail himself then that his choice. No, actually it isn't. As for the subject matter itself: You said NO one is without access to the Web. I state to you that I know somebody who is. Instead of acknowledging that, thus, the above assertion is not right, you simply say oh this is by his own choice. 1 - Does it matter? the fact is that there is at least one QL person without access to the web, proving your assertion wrong. 2 - How could you possibly know why that person doesn't have access to the web? My, you must have had a night of it, I find myself living upside down times these nights. Move to Australia ? :-) (I include the emoticon to show you that this was supposed to be a joke and not a flippant remark by which I'd disregard your comments - okay) Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:18:38, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On 21 Nov 2004 at 14:09, David Tubbs wrote: But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so for traders. Yes of course, why didn't I think of that? Why don't you, Tony, make this available on your website and poll the results yourself? I'm sure it would be very interesting for all of us! OK that is a good compromise. I will change it to a more general survey and simply manipulate a database myself locally. That will be easier than assembling the results in email form. I will modify the form and invite comments please. This form will be there for years to come, so it is important to get it as complete as possible right from the start. I have to go out today, but will start the job this evening. Still no comment from anyone on the committee about the form detail or whether they want to use it. Mind you come to think of it I have only talked about it on the list - whoops. I will email the committee direct. (Is that phrased better David T (8-)# That is what I meant to say the first time. I have known you too long to imply you don't matter!) Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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Tony Firshman schrieb: OK - I have put my money where my mouth is: http://www.firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi The form is the only thing there that works so far. I would appreciate comments, especially to complete the drop down lists. Some are -very- incomplete! I have added two extra items to section 5, or am I misreading the question on the original form. To me that is asking the questionee whether they want to personally develop software and/or hardware. well done tony! better to do something than just complain! wouldn't it be good to expand the printer-section to esc/p2|pcl|postscript? (relating to the nerver lasting printer discussion in here?) wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 18:58:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I am disappointed at the response to my form. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. I should have gone to bed instead. Give people time to respond ... John Mason had time to write that angry email (8-)# What was the address again ? You have probably seen it a dozen times since you wrote this but it is: http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi Thanks, Tony. And keep up the good work. The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Tony, Guess what, Safari was interpreting your page perfectly and Firefox was being a bit generous. It turns out it is an easy fix (and very easy not too see). Here is what I found. Original code: Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? input type=radio name=mailing value=yesYes input type=radio name=mailing value=noNo nbsp;(see a href=http://www.quanta.org.uk/; target='Uhttp://www.quanta.org.uk//a for details)BR Correction: - where it says target='U - change it to saytarget=U Note that the original page uses a single ' and a double . Safari sees the single ' and then looks for a matching single '. You have it correct elsewhere. Fun stuff :) Could you also ask the following type of questions: Hard Disk - what size Rom Disk - what size SMSQ/E - what rev Memory - what size Thanks! jim ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Either this email is intended to make us all feel really good about how our day is going or to show that you always have backup plans (won't even ask about the spare rear doors :) ). Cheers, jim On Nov 21, 2004, at 12:23 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 14:09:20, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 04:30 21/11/2004 +, you wrote: Tony wrote The -whole- point of doing the on-line survey was to get someone on the Quanta committee to say they would like to use the form. A forlorn hope I am sure. But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so for traders. Quite understandable, there seem to be many more knockers than constructivists here. All my inputs here have generated are facile denials of my assertion that no one is without access to the www. If your troglodyte BC chooses not to avail himself then that his choice. My, you must have had a night of it, I find myself living upside down times these nights. I had just got back from rescuing a worldnews machine. The Linux machines rumble on almost without attention. This is a W2003 machine. Windows locked up on closing. When we did a power cycle, we found that W2003 had successfully managed to destroy the boot sector on both raid mirror disks! Brilliant achievement Bill (8-)# We have so many troubles with windows that we will move this machine to linux and run a Windows emulator under Linux. Ridiculous isn't it. On the way back, I got out of the car to buy petrol, but somehow the door did not unlock. I had to break a window to get back in. Fortunately I have at least 4 spare rear doors at the bottom of the garden! I turned -off- my phone to avoid the 08:30 church alarm. The ry thing turned itself on again to sound the alarm (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 12:27:49, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Either this email is intended to make us all feel really good about how our day is going or to show that you always have backup plans (won't even ask about the spare rear doors :) ). Not just rear doors (8-)# Mind you Bill Cable has spare -cars- Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:48:49, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) Noted. I have a rehearsal in Berkhamsted at 16:30 so I will be leaving a bit before 15:30. Ken Brickwood - can you please remind me to bring your minisQL nearer the day. I will charge only a standard QL repair cost. The CF reader fitted in very well and it was all working when I did it (months ago!). Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Now that is what I call service. The reason I was wondering about the memory size has to do with users who have a modified QL with hard drive or Rom disk who might want to run QDT. While relatively compact, once you start putting alternate backgrounds (screen sizes/themes) and tons of icons, it may have a performance impact (or might not). Also might make a difference if this ghostscript printer conversation goes somewhere. I saw everything but the size of the hard drive in the update. And it works just fine now in Safari - Thanks! Cheers, jim On Nov 21, 2004, at 12:42 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 10:39:54, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hi Tony, Guess what, Safari was interpreting your page perfectly and Firefox was being a bit generous. It turns out it is an easy fix (and very easy not too see). Here is what I found. Original code: Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? input type=radio name=mailing value=yesYes input type=radio name=mailing value=noNo nbsp;(see a href=http://www.quanta.org.uk/; target='Uhttp://www.quanta.org.uk//a for details)BR Correction: - where it says target='U - change it to say target=U Note that the original page uses a single ' and a double . Safari sees the single ' and then looks for a matching single '. You have it correct elsewhere. Whoops - full marks to Safari. There were many more like that which I spotted earlier (under firefox). Fun stuff :) Indeed. MSIE is very bad at 'intelligently' wrong html, much like QDOS and bad basic. Firefox is better, but not a sgood as Safari. Could you also ask the following type of questions: Hard Disk - what size Rom Disk - what size SMSQ/E - what rev Memory - what size Done (except memory - expansion type gets near enough!) Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 13:25:24, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Now that is what I call service. The reason I was wondering about the memory size has to do with users who have a modified QL with hard drive or Rom disk who might want to run QDT. While relatively compact, once you start putting alternate backgrounds (screen sizes/themes) and tons of icons, it may have a performance impact (or might not). Also might make a difference if this ghostscript printer conversation goes somewhere. I saw everything but the size of the hard drive in the update. Done And it works just fine now in Safari - Thanks! Done Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 00:23:42, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) comments to present survey version:- Section 2, I suggest that use for faxing might be in a section on how electronic communication is achieved - QL modem or other means. Also what other computer system might be in use - PC, MAC or UNIX/LINUX ?? Section 3, Other addon cards, E-Progger - A/D card , any others ? Other motherboards ? Section 4, If it is to get a broader circulation - Are you still a mamber, and when did you cease to be ? General - I rarely use a full screen window, plays some havoc with checkbox separating from title. Yes, but I have kept the general width very small. I use a window on my screen, and it doesn't break awkwardly and it is only filling about 1/3 of the screen width on a 1680 wide screen. That is less than 600, and should suit all screens. ... and of course you can always adjust text size. Perhaps Text boxes with the Others I think I will have to draw the line now without your first three good suggestions. Quanta have said they will use the form, and I have to get the core programming done quickly. Once that is done, I may add more. Thanks for all your comments. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 01:14 22/11/2004 +, you wrote: 1680 wide screen. Must be a wet dream for many ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 20 Nov 2004 at 1:10, Tony Firshman wrote: OK - I have put my money where my mouth is: (what you bought more beer?) http://www.firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi The form is the only thing there that works so far. BUT YOU CAN'T SUBMIT IT (...) What year did Quanta start? 1984 Spreadsheet : Add Qspread Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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Tony Firshman wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 20:13:18, gwicks wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership BTW is it now policy not to send the mag to advertisers? The last one I have is April this year. Tony The last one I received was August/September (7/8). Jochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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- Original Message - From: Duncan Neithercut Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Quanta membership Geoff - I thought you are a committee member : customer care would suggest that you should offer to get the potential new member contacted by the correct Quanta membership secretary tonight : he (the membership secretary if this list is an accurate barometer must be thirsting for his first new signing anyway) :) A fair rebuke here. I assume that John Gilpin is already in contact with people who via this list say they have been unable to renew their membership. If there is anyone who still has a problem, could they please email me privately and I will chase it up. Please include a keyword such as Quanta in the subject line so that I don't accidentally delete your message as spam, Best wishes, Geoff gwicks @ beeb.net ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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- Original Message - From: Duncan Neithercut Subject: RE: [ql-users] Quanta SNIP To progress this discussion a moderator or instigator needs to put aside his/her personal individual preferences, listen to all the ideas on the list and dismiss none, but perhaps ask some individuals to explore some aspects of all of the ideas to assess their practicality with a view to producing a manifesto for Quanta regeneration that should be debated on this list but must ultimately be put to the membership committee before the AGM and subsequently resolved at the AGM. SNIP - and Geoff Wicks are you up to the challenge of picking up on this discussion and attempting to moderate it into a realistic consensus manifesto that could be put to Quanta ??? :) Without the support and involvement of a respected figure ( yes I mean you) already within the committee the whole issue could be delayed until its all too late. Thanks for the expression of confidence, but I have already failed as moderator. You may remember that just over a year ago I wrote some very critical comments on this list and in QL-Today about Quanta. In February I had a long and amicable discussion with the Quanta committee about these, and I was impressed with the quality of the discussion. I had the feeling that Quanta was eager to reform and agreed to join the committee. 10 months later hardly anything that I suggested has been implemented and Quanta shows no signs of reforming. Quanta's problem is not what it must discuss or what its policies should be, but its inefficiency and unreliability. I agree with John Taylor that what we need now is not words but action. Sorry if this doesn't answer your well made points, but that is the reality, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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Mike MacNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey At 01:10 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: Nice one Tony. Action better than words. Good to see the year joined question, ofcourse it should not need to be asked. But I think it is important when considering how Q would use accrued capital which should be equitably done in favour of the longest contributors. I fear when you consider the thousands of members, who have contributed over many years, but have now given up, been put off, or not renewed for whatever reason, you may have, quite justifiably, a demand for their inclusion in allocation of funds. Mike ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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I am disappointed at the response to my form. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. I should have gone to bed instead. Pity. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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Hi, Tony Firshman wrote: I am disappointed at the response to my form. You shouldn't be. You have done your best. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. Add 1 to that number. I'm not a Quanta member and I have no intention to become one. It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. I should have gone to bed instead. Isn't that somewhat too early on a Saturday night? :) François Van Emelen Pity. Tony ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 17:43:45, François Van Emelen wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tony Firshman wrote: I am disappointed at the response to my form. You shouldn't be. You have done your best. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. Add 1 to that number. I'm not a Quanta member and I have no intention to become one. You misunderstood. I meant only two have made suggestions on 'corrections' to the form. I still have nothing from the people that matter on whether my form is going to be used. It would be good to hear something though (8-(# It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony Firshman wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 17:43:45, Francois Van Emelen wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tony Firshman wrote: I am disappointed at the response to my form. You shouldn't be. You have done your best. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. Add 1 to that number. I'm not a Quanta member and I have no intention to become one. You misunderstood. I meant only two have made suggestions on 'corrections' to the form. I still have nothing from the people that matter on whether my form is going to be used. It would be good to hear something though (8-(# It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. How do Qx0 and Thor users fill in the form, when all the questions are about black box QLs? -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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- Original Message - From: SMSQ - Jochen Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Tony Firshman wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 20:13:18, gwicks wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership BTW is it now policy not to send the mag to advertisers? The last one I have is April this year. Tony The last one I received was August/September (7/8). Jochen Then you are up to date Jochen.The next one Oct/Nov is at the printers and is due to be distributed any day now. John Gilpin. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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At 09:39 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: There was another mainboard by a guy in Sawston Cambs ? Other add ons - Eprom Progger, A/D Converter Nome brewed stuff I thought drunk Nomes sat in gardens (8-)# Tony Such a dismissive response ! I do beg your pardon, never mind, run the whole thing for a guy with phone line but not prepared like the rest to take up the WWW. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 18:12:10, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 09:39 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: There was another mainboard by a guy in Sawston Cambs ? Other add ons - Eprom Progger, A/D Converter Nome brewed stuff I thought drunk Nomes sat in gardens (8-)# Tony Such a dismissive response ! I do beg your pardon, never mind, run the whole thing for a guy with phone line but not prepared like the rest to take up the WWW. You are touchy David. Maybe too much Nome brew (8-)# I was joking about your mistyping only. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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Hi Tony, Just trying to catch up - had taken a quick glance but wasn't quite clear on if you were asking for input on the form itself or wanting people to fill it in - now I understand. It would be a shame if this form was not used. I had looked at the Quanta location and, believe me, with time constraints, I can't see myself or many others actually taking the time to print it, fill it in, and mailing it (especially from the States). There is a reason why I use email and websites versus snail mail :) By the way, as to the form, the final line shows Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? Yes No (see and then stops there. See what? Also, how would someone submit this (a Submit button?). Is this supposed to be an email submitted form or some other way. If so, what about security (don't want the spammers to latch onto the address)? Cheers, jim On Nov 20, 2004, at 10:23 AM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 17:41:26, Tarquin Mills wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony Firshman wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 17:43:45, Francois Van Emelen wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tony Firshman wrote: I am disappointed at the response to my form. You shouldn't be. You have done your best. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. Add 1 to that number. I'm not a Quanta member and I have no intention to become one. You misunderstood. I meant only two have made suggestions on 'corrections' to the form. I still have nothing from the people that matter on whether my form is going to be used. It would be good to hear something though (8-(# It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. How do Qx0 and Thor users fill in the form, when all the questions are about black box QLs? True. That is a very major omission isn't it. I have added something: http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi However I think this form will not be seeing the light of day. There is a resounding silence from those who matter. I am disappointed. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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At 18:24 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: You are touchy David. Maybe too much Nome brew (8-)# I was joking about your mistyping only. OK, a typo - big deal ! Surely the Tinkerers have been adding bits of their own making ? I thought only to make an intelligent contribution, but evidently I don't matter. But do those who do ? Seems to me as an outsider, more interested in the QL than Quanta that the problems can be divided in two parts. What Quanta can and may do with it's reserves, and should it continue to exist to give committee members titles ? How best to achieve good communication and help between users of the QL family of equipment. The latter is not dependent on the existence or inactivity of Quanta. A decent web site, with a range of info and links to all other resources, would not need itself to hold all files software. Might include a decent forum such as I have seen at PCanswers and Mozilla for example. Where threads are maintained and we don't need to wade across two pages of overblown header an superfluous quoted requoted quotes to find an insignificant response. It could include a shielded area to which users might upload a contribution, wikpedia is clever in that way. The survey does not need the cooperation of those that matter, surely Geoff could legitimately mail the membership and traders could add further users. I have more time than techno competences but would be prepared to undertake compiling the responses. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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Tony Firshman writes: I am disappointed at the response to my form. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. I should have gone to bed instead. Pity. I did check it out, and it looks great! My problem is not with your form, but that I dont think the questions have been well enough thought through, and that was not your department. Can the form be filled in off-line and then be uploaded on a second connection? Since I havent had any response to my reservations, I must assume everyone thinks the survey will provide the sort of answers we can do something with. Or perhaps theyre just being typical, bloody-minded ql-ers, and are just not going to say - but also not going to fill in the form. When the few unsuspecting sheep who neither agree nor disagree have filled it in, someone will no doubt grumble and the form will be changed. When, after much soul-searching, compromise and hard work, the form is finally perfected, no one will bother to fill it in, because the grumblers never intended to fill it in in the first place, and the sheep will be confused and discouraged. Thus another collective QL undertaking will falter, as they almost invariably do. Perhaps Duncan can check his Civil Servant Guide to see if this behaviour is described anywhere? Perhaps under Lemmings? Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 11:19:18, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hi Tony, Just trying to catch up - had taken a quick glance but wasn't quite clear on if you were asking for input on the form itself or wanting people to fill it in - now I understand. It would be a shame if this form was not used. I had looked at the Quanta location and, believe me, with time constraints, I can't see myself or many others actually taking the time to print it, fill it in, and mailing it (especially from the States). There is a reason why I use email and websites versus snail mail :) By the way, as to the form, the final line shows Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? Yes No (see and then stops there. See what? You must have seen a version I was editing. The form does not stop there Also, how would someone submit this (a Submit button?). Is this supposed to be an email submitted form or some other way. If so, what about security (don't want the spammers to latch onto the address)? It is a cgi generated page. The submit button will be just that and nothing more. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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- Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership - Original Message - From: Duncan Neithercut Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Quanta membership Geoff - I thought you are a committee member : customer care would suggest that you should offer to get the potential new member contacted by the correct Quanta membership secretary tonight : he (the membership secretary if this list is an accurate barometer must be thirsting for his first new signing anyway) :) A fair rebuke here. I assume that John Gilpin is already in contact with people who via this list say they have been unable to renew their membership. If there is anyone who still has a problem, could they please email me privately and I will chase it up. Please include a keyword such as Quanta in the subject line so that I don't accidentally delete your message as spam, Best wishes, Geoff Geoff is quite correct. I am in contact with Delwin Vriend who has indicated that he is interested in becoming a Quanta Member and also Mike MacNamara whose renewal was missed causing his membership to lapse some years ago. John Gilpin. Membership Secretary. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 18:58:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I am disappointed at the response to my form. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. I should have gone to bed instead. Give people time to respond ... John Mason had time to write that angry email (8-)# What was the address again ? You have probably seen it a dozen times since you wrote this but it is: http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 20:38:55, P Witte wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tony Firshman writes: I did check it out, and it looks great! My problem is not with your form, but that I dont think the questions have been well enough thought through, and that was not your department. Can the form be filled in off-line and then be uploaded on a second connection? No - it relies on a POST operation. TOny -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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By the way, as to the form, the final line shows Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? Yes No (see and then stops there. See what? You must have seen a version I was editing. The form does not stop there Interesting. In Apple's Safari, I emptied the cache and reloaded it - quit in the same place. But using Firefox, it shows a lot more, presumably all the way to the end. Anything special you are doing with your CGI that might be pseudo standard? I see in your source at this 'stop' point: input type=radio name=mailing value=yesYes input type=radio name=mailing value=noNo nbsp;(see a href=http://www.quanta.org.uk/; target='Uhttp://www.quanta.org.uk//a for details)BR What is the radio name type? This seems to be where Safari stops. I am forwarding this to Apple to see if they have comments. If I hear anything I will let you know but I suspect that I won't. Normally they just fix things if something is broken and it shows up in the next update. Cheers, jim ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 16:04:43, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) By the way, as to the form, the final line shows Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? Yes No (see and then stops there. See what? You must have seen a version I was editing. The form does not stop there Interesting. In Apple's Safari, I emptied the cache and reloaded it - quit in the same place. But using Firefox, it shows a lot more, presumably all the way to the end. Anything special you are doing with your CGI that might be pseudo standard? I see in your source at this 'stop' point: input type=radio name=mailing value=yesYes input type=radio name=mailing value=noNo nbsp;(see a href=http://www.quanta.org. What is the radio name type? This seems to be where Safari stops. Haven't a clue I am afraid. This is all pretty std stuff and I am following the 'camel' to the letter. I am forwarding this to Apple to see if they have comments. If I hear anything I will let you know but I suspect that I won't. Normally they just fix things if something is broken and it shows up in the next update. Looks like Apple is at fault. I am away from base on a crappy small screen and keyboard so cannot easily look at my code. You will see the whole html source under firefox. Thanks for comments, Tony PS I hope the Quanta committee will comment. I would be happy to finish the code if they will use it. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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At 21:59 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: I thought only to make an intelligent contribution, but evidently I don't matter. Who said that? I certainly didn't. Tony OH YES YOU DID ! I still have nothing from the people that matter Added to which both my considered responses merited no comment at all. Two earlier more conversational ripostes failed to gain acknowledgement. I'm sorry , I think I can take the hint. Bye ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 23:53:47, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 21:59 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: I thought only to make an intelligent contribution, but evidently I don't matter. Who said that? I certainly didn't. Tony OH YES YOU DID ! I still have nothing from the people that matter Added to which both my considered responses merited no comment at all. Two earlier more conversational ripostes failed to gain acknowledgement. I'm sorry , I think I can take the hint. This is getting really really silly David. Of course I read and took your comments into account. I was not not not not not not saying you didn't matter. I see what you mean now. The -whole- point of doing the on-line survey was to get someone on the Quanta committee to say they would like to use the form. There has been some pretty sarcastic comment about me personally in a private email (I think) from a Quanta committee member on another matter which, on reflection, has annoyed me more than I thought at the time. I think after his comments, I really don't feel like putting myself out at all. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 03:56:47, Delwin Vriend wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) My first post to this list myself - hello from San Francisco. I had been interested in even just becoming a member of Quanta but when I contacted whomever was provided as the membership contact I never got a response. (8-(# Maybe you should re-send the email. I know the membership secretary was having temporary problems getting emails, as a couple from me bounced. Don't know what sort of time commitment Quanta committee membership would be, but I might be interested. Of course, from the posts that have gone by in this list over the past couple months, it almost sounds as if they are the evil ones... It would be a mite difficult to be an active committee member in San Fransisco - all committee meetings are in the UK as far as I know. I see no reason though why the website could not be run from there. I am myself just getting back to my QL (after 15 years) and am looking at developing some hardware (ethernet connection) and likely some software too; although, other than the ethernet drivers, I don't have many ideas yet. I have seen some of the work done with some of the IP stacks and seen the occassional discussion of some progress but don't see much info on that end either. Any work on getting internet access, browsers etc would be good. Have you seen the efforts of Jon Dent? He has gone quite a long way down the road, but I suspect has not enough time. I wonder, Jon, whether there is scope here for delegation/cooperation? Do your talents stretch to networking/internet drivers etc, Delwin? Tony PS are you still interested in a superHermes? -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 16:59:33, Mike MacNamara wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hmm. Quanta Membership Sec did not respond to my requests to renew, has lapsed for a few years now. Never got any response. I hope that whoever on the Quanta committee reads this (John G and Geoff for two!) will make sure the membership secretary is getting emails. I had similar problems. It seems the re-direction may be dodgy. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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- Original Message - From: Tony Firshman Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 16:59:33, Mike MacNamara wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hmm. Quanta Membership Sec did not respond to my requests to renew, has lapsed for a few years now. Never got any response. I hope that whoever on the Quanta committee reads this (John G and Geoff for two!) will make sure the membership secretary is getting emails. I had similar problems. It seems the re-direction may be dodgy. This is strange because I did a test on what I thought might be an obsolete email address about a month ago and there were no problems. If there is a problem I suggest it is a dodgy rather than a non-existent redirection. Can I suggest that if you do report a contact problem, you always mention the email address you used. The best one is membership @ quanta.org.uk Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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- Original Message - From: John Taylor Subject: [ql-users] Quanta snip There has been little or no evidence of any interest in what the committee are doing and as a consequence the committee have shown very little interest in what the members are doing. Perhaps Quanta has the sort of committee it deserves. Quanta for many years was the backbone of the QL scene and it could be again. You have three months to sort out the mess, and by that I mean, find the right people, elect them, then support them In fact you have had less than three months. It is easy to think of the AGM being 5 months away, but if you want change you have to act now. Nominations for the committee have to be in before 31st January. A little moral tale. Earlier this year a committee nomination was ruled invalid by the committee partly because the member concerned had not renewed his subscription before the end of December. The member concerned pointed out to the committee that it is a little difficult to renew your subscription in December when the renewal forms are only sent out in January. Since the committee were being so legalistic, he also reminded them that as the 2003 AGM was not held within the legally required term, the whole of the then committee was illegal. It would be possible to argue therefore that all Quanta expenditure was not legally authorised and should be paid out of their own pockets. Best Wishes, Geoff PS No prizes for quessing who the member was. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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John Taylor wrote : I like the way all the ideas about what Quanta should be in the future are developing. Haven't we heard it all before? and Believe me, none of the proposals are original, they have all been discussed and muted, in some cases, several times. and What is wanted is someone who is willing and able to stimulate some action. The first two statements run down the present contributors to the debate : its old hat failed before == statements above The final statement is the killer to close down the discussion at a premature stage by requesting volunteers for an unspecified project with no known resources and an indeterminate closure. This is from Classic committee tactics to block something new - read the UK local government and civil servants classified training manual 2005 edition, its on the web. John then goes on to run down the present committee. This is not the point of this discussion about Quanta. Not all of the participants on this list are members, although many probably are. This list or similar is not yet a decision making organ of Quanta yet if more QL Quanta members were on the net it could be. To progress this discussion a moderator or instigator needs to put aside his/her personal individual preferences, listen to all the ideas on the list and dismiss none, but perhaps ask some individuals to explore some aspects of all of the ideas to assess their practicality with a view to producing a manifesto for Quanta regeneration that should be debated on this list but must ultimately be put to the membership committee before the AGM and subsequently resolved at the AGM. Any other process confirms John Taylor's and other's assessment of the triviality and hopelessness of any attempt at this stage to create a further resurgence of QL support. So final comments : I dont see why in the 21st century the new Quanta committee chairman cannot be located in San Francisco ( welcome aboard Delwin) Quanta and QL users are defacto a multinational organisation in the 21st century and must continue to be to survive. - and Geoff Wicks are you up to the challenge of picking up on this discussion and attempting to moderate it into a realistic consensus manifesto that could be put to Quanta ??? :) Without the support and involvement of a respected figure ( yes I mean you) already within the committee the whole issue could be delayed until its all too late. Cheers Duncan Neithercut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Taylor Sent: 19 November 2004 11:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] Quanta I like the way all the ideas about what Quanta should be in the future are developing. Haven't we heard it all before? Believe me, none of the proposals are original, they have all been discussed and muted, in some cases, several times. The last thing the committee wants is a list of items for future discussion. What is wanted is someone who is willing and able to stimulate some action. This, it must be admitted will be impossible with the present committee. Attitudes there are too deeply ingrained. To put it simply, they have lost the plot. So too have the members of Quanta. There has been little or no evidence of any interest in what the committee are doing and as a consequence the committee have shown very little interest in what the members are doing. Perhaps Quanta has the sort of committee it deserves. Quanta for many years was the backbone of the QL scene and it could be again. You have three months to sort out the mess, and by that I mean, find the right people, elect them, then support them Launching QL2005 could be a start. John Taylor ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 20:13:18, gwicks wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 16:59:33, Mike MacNamara wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hmm. Quanta Membership Sec did not respond to my requests to renew, has lapsed for a few years now. Never got any response. I hope that whoever on the Quanta committee reads this (John G and Geoff for two!) will make sure the membership secretary is getting emails. I had similar problems. It seems the re-direction may be dodgy. This is strange because I did a test on what I thought might be an obsolete email address about a month ago and there were no problems. If there is a problem I suggest it is a dodgy rather than a non-existent redirection. That is what I said (see above). It got through on the third attempt. The irony was that I was asking for a Quanta ad for the emailshot. All I got was a description of the show location, directions etc which I already have. I got no reply to the follow-up request for the ad, so Quanta yet again was not in the emailshot. Can I suggest that if you do report a contact problem, you always mention the email address you used. The best one is membership @ quanta.org.uk ... but that was presumably the one used. I used secretary @ quanta.org.uk BTW is it now policy not to send the mag to advertisers? The last one I have is April this year. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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Geoff - I thought you are a committee member : customer care would suggest that you should offer to get the potential new member contacted by the correct Quanta membership secretary tonight : he (the membership secretary if this list is an accurate barometer must be thirsting for his first new signing anyway) :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gwicks Sent: 19 November 2004 20:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 16:59:33, Mike MacNamara wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hmm. Quanta Membership Sec did not respond to my requests to renew, has lapsed for a few years now. Never got any response. I hope that whoever on the Quanta committee reads this (John G and Geoff for two!) will make sure the membership secretary is getting emails. I had similar problems. It seems the re-direction may be dodgy. This is strange because I did a test on what I thought might be an obsolete email address about a month ago and there were no problems. If there is a problem I suggest it is a dodgy rather than a non-existent redirection. Can I suggest that if you do report a contact problem, you always mention the email address you used. The best one is membership @ quanta.org.uk Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
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Geoff, It is at least 7 or so yrs since my membership lapsed. I returned the S O form, if I remember they stopped taking from my bank, then I tried by credit card . Despite letters, requests, attempts by any means available, I have had no return contact. - I did try and try and try I have always supported the QL, and was most miffed by this and the quality of the 'management' Regards Mike MacNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 16:59:33, Mike MacNamara wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hmm. Quanta Membership Sec did not respond to my requests to renew, has lapsed for a few years now. Never got any response. I hope that whoever on the Quanta committee reads this (John G and Geoff for two!) will make sure the membership secretary is getting emails. I had similar problems. It seems the re-direction may be dodgy. This is strange because I did a test on what I thought might be an obsolete email address about a month ago and there were no problems. If there is a problem I suggest it is a dodgy rather than a non-existent redirection. Can I suggest that if you do report a contact problem, you always mention the email address you used. The best one is membership @ quanta.org.uk Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
- Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 16:59:33, Mike MacNamara wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hmm. Quanta Membership Sec did not respond to my requests to renew, has lapsed for a few years now. Never got any response. I hope that whoever on the Quanta committee reads this (John G and Geoff for two!) will make sure the membership secretary is getting emails. I had similar problems. It seems the re-direction may be dodgy. This is strange because I did a test on what I thought might be an obsolete email address about a month ago and there were no problems. If there is a problem I suggest it is a dodgy rather than a non-existent redirection. Can I suggest that if you do report a contact problem, you always mention the email address you used. The best one is membership @ quanta.org.uk Best Wishes, Geoff Apart from the address that Geoff recommends above, I am still receiving on [EMAIL PROTECTED] but if you want to be absolutely sure, use [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem is that if emails go astray, the intended recipient is not aware that they were ever sent in the first place so doesn't report it. I have had one request for membership today and already responded with full details. Lapsed membership? Surely we can put that right. John Gilpin, Quanta Membership Secretary. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 01:10:53, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) OK - I have put my money where my mouth is: http://www.firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi The form is the only thing there that works so far. I would appreciate comments, especially to complete the drop down lists. They are now (correctly) checkboxes! Some are -very- incomplete! Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
Cool! I know when I was just out of high-school with the QL in Edmonton, AB (Canada), I was very much alone with my QL. So good to know its not complete isolation here. :-) Caught me by surprise! Another QL person in northern California? Hi Delwin, I am down in Redwood City and Tim is over in the East Bay. There may be a few other stragglers around too. Welcome back to the QL scene. Cheers, jim ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta ISSN there
Dilwyn Jones wrote: as is Sinclair QL World (it's ISSN is still current publication status), BTW Arcwind still exist and are publishing other mags from their old address. Windsurfing magazines by any chance? Yes ISSN numbers are free and available from the British Library, the are given to magazines and are what the bar codes are produced from. I can't remember how Jochen got the ISSN number originally. I think Bruce had an input somewhere, perhaps that was from his QReview mag days, the ISSN number 1351-1343 comes to mind from somewhere and i know it's not Toady! 1351-1343=QReview Is Quanta's non ISSN number status linked to the fact that it is only sold to members, even though it has been in print for over 20 years? BTW I am right in thinking there are no QL disczines at the moment? Well, QL Hackers Journal and Q40/Linux Journal from Tim Swenson make an occasional appearance, though the last was some time ago. I have been trying BBS on my Q60 resently, I will put the results on the ACCUS website, results so far: Works TF Service Pbox +44 (0)1442-828255 QBOX (JMS) Pbox +49 (0) 203-502014 Failed so far QBOX (USA) +1 810 254 9878 = number not recogised, BTW I can ring the USA for 3p a minute anytime and Holland 2p minute. QLCF +33 (0) 498-430320= engaged first time, did not answer 2nd time Holbern View = gone Add Nene Valley (Phil Borman) and QUBBE (Ron Dunnett) to the ones gone. Beginners Club 0039161262752 = gone QItaly 0039342590451 = gone Quasar 0049511407827 = gone SyncNet0031356239291 = Linux Box with BBS software No BBS on this port allowed Nene Valley01933-389482 = gone Ergon 0039522300509 = gone 4th Dimension 01202-770515 = gone Alba Maximus 0141-8807863 = gone SyncNet0031356237178 = gone QLCF 003329840320 = gone Engine Arts 004331332813 = gone SBOX 003167966854 = gone In the QBOX (USA) adverts it mentions the Th0r, what files etc. for the Th0r did it have, the QItaly website's copy of the QBOX file list is a broken link. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta ISSN there
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 at 19:55:29, John Impellizzeri wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 11/12/2004 4:13 PM, Tony Firshman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 at 18:59:37, Tarquin Mills wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I have been trying BBS on my Q60 resently, I will put the results on the ACCUS website, results so far: Works TF Service Pbox +44 (0)1442-828255 Great. QBOX (JMS) Pbox +49 (0) 203-502014 Will die soon Failed so far QBOX (USA) +1 810 254 9878 = number not recogised, BTW I can ring the USA for 3p a minute anytime and Holland 2p minute. Ended quite a few years ago (seven?) QBox-USA started operating in Sept 1993 and shut down around April 2002. It had a good run but it was getting hard to justify the $30 a month to keep the phone line for one or two callers every other month or so. Sorry John, it lasted much longer than I thought. The QBBS line is also my fax line. I also now have two ADSL lines (bonded) so QBBS lives on. I too get very few callers. One from France though has no internet (or PC) so QBBS is his sole point of QL electronic contact. It is also used for testing modems, most often by Roy. I once had a message from a lecturer at Glasgow University. He had used it during his lectures as a demonstration of what used to be before the internet. It has now been running 24hrs a day since 1988. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta ISSN there
According www.issn.org the international centre for ISSN numbers in Paris, of the 1 million periodicals it has registered, Quanta magazine is not one of them. QL Today (English, German and Welsh ;-) versions are) Welsh??? When did we ever apply for a Welsh one??? as is Sinclair QL World (it's ISSN is still current publication status), BTW Arcwind still exist and are publishing other mags from their old address. Windsurfing magazines by any chance? ISSN numbers are free and available from the British Library, the are given to magazines and are what the bar codes are produced from. I can't remember how Jochen got the ISSN number originally. I think Bruce had an input somewhere, perhaps that was from his QReview mag days, the ISSN number 1351-1343 comes to mind from somewhere and i know it's not Toady! Is Quanta's non ISSN number status linked to the fact that it is only sold to members, even though it has been in print for over 20 years? BTW I am right in thinking there are no QL disczines at the moment? Well, QL Hackers Journal and Q40/Linux Journal from Tim Swenson make an occasional appearance, though the last was some time ago. I have been trying BBS on my Q60 resently, I will put the results on the ACCUS website, results so far: Works TF Service Pbox +44 (0)1442-828255 QBOX (JMS) Pbox +49 (0) 203-502014 Failed so far QBOX (USA) +1 810 254 9878 = number not recogised, BTW I can ring the USA for 3p a minute anytime and Holland 2p minute. QLCF +33 (0) 498-430320= engaged first time, did not answer 2nd time Holbern View = gone Add Nene Valley (Phil Borman) and QUBBE (Ron Dunnett) to the ones gone. -- Dilwyn Jones -- Tarquin Mills (Quanta member) ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
