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RE: [QUAD-L] Gays
Try: HYPERLINK http://joelosteen.lakewood.cc/site/PageServer?pagename=JOM_homepagehttp:// joelosteen.lakewood.cc/site/PageServer?pagename=JOM_homepage Positive affirmation and scripture No judgment _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Gays PQ, I heard about the Word of God by attending church on Sundays and Bible studies on Wednesdays. Now that I don't attend church as much as I used to, I use the audio Bible website to read the Bible. Naomi C4 quadriplegic since July 2005 due to Transverse Myelitis _ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. HYPERLINK http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 00301 \nWatch the video on AOL Home. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM
: [QUAD-L] Gays
Expanded worship service with music online as well -Original Message- From: KK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:09 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Gays Joel has his sermons on tv you can down load his pod cast at iTunes. Free Comments Graphics No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM
RE: [QUAD-L] gardening
Maria found this while computer surfing Try HYPERLINK http://www.peta-uk.com/acatalog/Assistive_Garden_Tools.htmlhttp://www.peta -uk.com/acatalog/Assistive_Garden_Tools.html Take a look at the -support cuff- and ‘Google’ PETA tools your local distributor I haven’t tried them yet -Cameron _ From: Maria [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:13 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] gardening How about gardening tools? Any of you have some tools you'd recommend or some kind of brace support set up? Thanks, Maria No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1331 - Release Date: 3/16/2008 10:34 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1331 - Release Date: 3/16/2008 10:34 AM
RE: [QUAD-L] Gays
J Good for you! It is a non-issue -C _ From: John S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:02 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Gays Cullen, We are kind of teasing the homophobes. I have an aunt and a cousin that are gay. They aren't related to each other, they are on either side of my family. I could care less if anyone was gay. It is a non-issue. john - Original Message From: Cullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quad-lIST quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:40:32 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Gays I guess I'm a bad person, but the fact that someone is gay doesn't bother me. It's more about what kind of person they are. I have a brother that is gay and I love him just as much as I would if he wasn't gay. I don't want to know what gays do behind close doors and he respects my wishes and doesn't go there. Cullen C3 Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No gays at Fox! ROFL Q PS for those of you who, like myself, don't know much about chat, that means rolling on the floor laughing. On 3/12/08, kaye allard HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not for Fox...LOL. 2008/3/11 John S. HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OMG! Homosexuals! That does it. now I can't watch ABC either? Theres homos working for all the stations! john - Original Message From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HYPERLINK mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 6:12:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] FW: Abomination He was working for the part that maintained the website and had no business answering the email. In a message dated 3/10/2008 5:33:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I read snoops and didn't it say TRUE or am I going blind? Sure it was one guy maybe , but he was working for ABC! Bill C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68 Age 57 Leesburg, FL Very funny, Scotty. Now beam up my clothes. _ It's Tax Time! HYPERLINK http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301; \nGet tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. _ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. HYPERLINK http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http:/mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ \nTry it now. -- Our Similarities bring us to a common ground; Our Differences allow us to be fascinated by each other -Tom Robbins Cullen C3/4 _ HYPERLINK http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com/; \nYahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! _ Never miss a thing. HYPERLINK http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http:/www.yahoo.com/r/hsMake Yahoo your homepage. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM
RE: [QUAD-L] Fwd: 10 BEST/WORST of 2008 -- YOUR input requested!
You’re really quite sad No venom, no drama….. just a plain truth Good luck, kiddo _ From: Lori Michaelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:23 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Fwd: 10 BEST/WORST of 2008 -- YOUR input requested! *I* am the one LMAO! Psychology 101 IN HIGH SCHOOL should let you know I do it just to get a rise out of ya's. I always get what I want. :-) Or haven't ya noticed? Hehehehe PWSE, PWEESE, PWEESE reply you Okies from Muskogee. Eric has to stop playing with himself SOMETIMES. So he cums out to play wit me. Hehehehe. Lori On Feb 16, 2008 11:27 AM, Hec HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lmao... That Lori.. she's meaner then a junk yard dog! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1280 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 9:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1284 - Release Date: 2/17/2008 2:39 PM
RE: [QUAD-L] Fwd: 10 BEST/WORST of 2008 -- YOUR input requested!
Lori BLEBITY-BLEE-BLA-BLUE1! Why do you bitch about everything!! So everyone sucks and only you know the RIGHT way Give it a friggan’ rest It’s a POST- that’s all Now I bet you’ll bitch about me -CW _ From: Lori Michaelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Fwd: 10 BEST/WORST of 2008 -- YOUR input requested! Yes...THEY should be finding answers to the questions posed. By asking different individuals... they will get biased or possibly untrue, therefore slanted, information. Specifically because of the actual questions they're asking. It is their job to be doing it. They should not be asking others to do their job. That happens so frequently these days because of laziness or you name it. Lori C4/5 complete On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM, HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is true, but maybe they want client input possibly. They should check out what each state does to verify? Dana In a message dated 2/13/2008 6:35:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not think that ADAPT should be getting input or asking people to do a job that THEY should be doing! Lori On Feb 13, 2008 2:49 PM, HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: ADAPT HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: commchoice-list HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:31:40 -0600 Subject: 10 BEST/WORST of 2008 -- YOUR input requested! - Original Message - From: Bob Kafka Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: 10 BEST/WORST of 2008 Dear Advocate for Home and Community Services: During the week of April 27th-May 1st The ADAPT Community will be announcing the 2008 TEN BEST/TEN WORST STATES for Home and Community Services. We would like your input in making these decisions. Below please find a short informal survey asking your opinions on the home and community programs your State provides to people with disabilities, old and young. This includes all Medicaid waiver programs, Medicaid State Plan programs as well as all other federally and State funded programs that allow people to remain in the community. THIS SURVEY SHOULD ONLY TAKE 30 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME! PLEASE RETURN BY MARCH 15TH to: ADAPT 1640A E. 2nd St Austin, Tx 78702 We will also be looking at statistical data that has been developed by other advocacy/research groups as well as data developed by academic institutions to make our final determinations. Please distribute this survey as widely as possible. The more input we get from y'all the more accurate our results will be. Thank you for your support. Bob Kafka Frank WulleCassie James-Holdsworth Austin, TX Salt Lake City, UT Philadelphia, PA * *** The ADAPT COMMUNITY HOME AND COMMUNITY SERVICES STATE SURVEY2008 ADVOCATE ASSESSMENNT This is an informal survey to get advocates assessment of how your state ranks in providing home and community services and supports. Your answers will give us an advocates view of what is really going on in your state. All answers will be kept confidential. Most of the questions are multiple choice however if you want to write additional information please attach the extra pages. Thank you! NAME ___ ADDRESS CITY, STATE, ZIP ___ e-mail __PHONE __ ORGANIZATION STATE__ If you are on a Home and Community Service Program what is the name? _ 1. From your perspective would rank your state as: a) in the top 10 states providing services and supports b) in the top 20 c) in the top 30 d) in the top 40 e) one of the 10 worst 2. Would you rate your state s ongoing response to the Olmstead decision as: a) excellent b) good c) fair d) poor e) bad 3. Would you rate your state s involvement of advocates and advocate organizations in the development and evaluation of community service programs as: a) excellent b) good c) fair d) poor e) bad 4.. Does your state have waiting lists for home and community services programs? No___ Yes__ If yes: 1.. What programs? ___ 2.. How many people waiting? 3.. How long?__ 5. Would you describe the
RE: RE: [QUAD-L] test-huh?
You are too cute _ From: andrea murray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:27 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Fwd: RE: [QUAD-L] test-huh? I must of miss something too. What does a flag pole have anything to do with sex? Wheelchair Warrior Note: forwarded message attached. _ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! HYPERLINK http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48223/*http:/get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gameke y=monopolyherenowPlay Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.10/995 - Release Date: 9/8/2007 1:24 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.10/995 - Release Date: 9/8/2007 1:24 PM
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[QUAD-L] Hybrid accessible van
Title: Hybrid accessible van Does a hybrid exist? Regards, Cameron
[QUAD-L] P.A.S.S. question
Title: P.A.S.S. question Hello peeps Where can I find an overview of the P.A.S.S. Program? Regards, Cameron
RE: [QUAD-L] Questions People ask us Quads.
Title: Message luke try this I went to 125th st. in Harlem/NYC to videotape the exterior of the Apollo Theater and some guy who looked to be living "al fresco" felt he could vent his anger at "the man" by putting 3 pennies by the joystick on my chair. I resisted the natural reaction to brush them away (after all I was not in the position to return his insult) when I moved my chair back for a wider angle, the pennies fell to the ground. About a minute later, a well kept, Sunday-best / hat wearing little 'ol lady stopped to pick up the money with her clean white gloves. You could almost hear her thinking;"find a penny, pick it up" When my eyes met the idiot who left me the money. There was no need for words. This sent him ranting down the streetand screaming about racial persecution, with no concern that his foul language might be offending the other "little 'ol ladies" in ear-shot. My point is- yeah, the woman at Target was a dweeb, but her heart was in the right place. It's the false concern that is the real insult. Use the incident as a chance to share your perspective so she won't be dweeb again -Cameron -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:46 AMTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Questions People ask us Quads. one day i was sitting outside of Target, minding my own business,waiting for my mom and some old lady walked up and tried to give me ten dollars. she looked like she needed it more than me, though. so i declined. luke In a message dated 8/6/2005 12:33:05 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was in Sams and a kid about 4 years old told his mother he wanted a 'remote control car like that one!' His mother was horrified and it was still pretty soon after my leaving rehab so I did not say anything, but did think it was funny!Dana and Rocco[EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message - From: "QuadPirate" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com; "~LittleQuad~" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 3:14 PMSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Questions People ask us Quads.Kids crack me up, when my nephew seen me for the first time after myaccident he told me "OK get up it's my turn" I was lmao because it was soinnocent because they just don't know but when kids ask questions theyusually ask more intelligent questions than adults and they have a millionof them on your chair.Mark---Original Message---From: ~LittleQuad~Date: 08/02/05 13:41:03To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Questions People ask us Quads.uniformed for sure, even new docs ask crazy questions... airline lady onceasked if i was going to walk onto plane so they could load my chair...my momput her hand over my mouth HAHAI would rather someone asked about why i'm in chair than think i'm just dumband assume the worst.. i like the suprise look on their faces when they findout i wasn't born like this and i can feel things etc.is priceless ;)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Least Once A Month , people in my neighborhood and at church or etc.will ask about my injury---I tell them i'm paralyzed from upper chestdown and a c-6 Quadriplegic from a car wreck on Aug. 3rd 1997.Then they askhow far can I walk on my own without my powerchairAremost people really this dumb or just uninformed ? Danhttp://fly.to/littlequadYahoo ID - littlequad
[QUAD-L] accessibility
Title: accessibility Hello people I know there are ADA parameters as to what is and is not ADA compliant but what are some of your pet peeves when these issues are handled by AB designers/architects. One of mine is the sensitivity of incorporating a retrofit ramp to an older building. Not only the design, but also the location. I do not like entering through a kitchen. -Cameron
RE: [QUAD-L] LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK...
It's not that I didn't want to answer you, but what you are going through the realization phase of quad-dom that makes this list work. The reality check your life has/is going through right now will not ever end. I sear to you-it wont always bethis intense. After your observations get reeeally weird, please know that while every story is different certain parts of human nature rear their ugly head and people do the most heartless thing. Screwing your friend unfortunately is one of those situations where have to say: Damn human nature! My best, best friend-Julie, just disappeared In fact, they all went away but one I used to think about being so wrong about believing those people were my friends I was friggan' bummed. Somehow it becomes OK You will have new friends Better, deeper, more honest friendships Your wife needed her man It's that simple-Damn human nature! At any other time other the last 100+- years, you, I or anybody here would not be posting anywhere Your friend is not a better man than you. Your wife NEEDED a physical mate You'll find there are people who don't, but rarely will someone become converted. You had to change, she didn't Don't give up. Ya' never know Regards, Cameron Wallace -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:47 PM To: quad list Subject: [QUAD-L] LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK... Dear Quad-list, My life has been filled with its biggest challenges in the past year. August 2, 2004 I had a life-changing diving accident that left me paralyzed from my chest down. I'm considered a quadriplegic because I have a little inervasion in my triceps and wrist flexors and I don't have any independent movement of my fingers. I was a 31-year-old, married, father of two, a successful chef, and a modern man of the house. After my accident, it was unclear what I would be able to do. The doctors made no promises, but I was told that my injury is considered incomplete, which means there's a chance to regain at least some movement and sensation. I spent a total of 115 days away from home. Most of that time was spent in rehab learning how to do such simple things as feed myself, bathe myself, sit up, and how to use what movement I have to be as independent as I can. While I was away from home, the community rallied in support. There were several fundraisers, all aimed at renovating my house for me and my wheelchair. There were many volunteers, friends, family, and complete strangers that donated money, time, prayers, or just generous words of support. Every day I looked forward to coming home. I would speak with my wife every evening, and she would come to visit almost every weekend. Even though it was a little rocky, I always thought we would make it work. We'd been together for over 10 years, married for almost six. I always thought we were soul-mates and would grow old together. We are now facing separation. I guess no one knows what they would do if their spouse became permanently handicapped. How do you know if you're not in the situation? Lots of people have told me that life goes on, you can do anything you could before, just a little different. I heard many success stories of people who went on to have successful careers, marriages, and families after a spinal cord injury. I was especially very positive in the beginning, when I had the support of therapists and specialists. My positive attitude faded when I came home, I became very depressed. I stopped exercising except for physical therapy, and began self-medicating. I was very frustrated with the things I used to be able to do at home. There was a friend who had been staying at my house for several months who was helping my wife with many of the things I used to do around the house. I was only home for two weeks before they became intimate. The Monday after New Year's she told me she wanted to move out, a week later she told me what had happened and had been going on for a month. I thought I could share her. It was only a matter of months before I snapped. She has left me the house, and acquired an apartment down the street for her and the kids, so they can come and visit often. I don't know where I would be if it wasn't for a couple of close friends who have moved into my house to help me. How do I move on? I believe I have a lot to offer, I used to think we would be together forever, now I'm craving companionship, intimacy, and someone to be close to. I am grateful for any advice and or feedback, Truly yours, Paralyzed and Confused in the Adirondacks JT... 32 YO... C6... ALMOST 1 YR POST
[QUAD-L] to put it in perspective-with a smile FW: [CONTENT] Fwd: FW: The English Language
Title: Message -Original Message-From: Mary Cano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:56 AMTo: Cerrigone, Pat; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Carol Hyman; elsie; Michelle M. Perrone; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Fw: [CONTENT] Fwd: FW: The English Language from my southern gal pal! - Original Message - From: Candy Roberts To: Recipient list suppressed Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: [CONTENT] Fwd: FW: The English Language This is really interesting, and so RIGHT! Reasons why the English language is so hard to learn:1) The bandage was wound around the wound.2) The farm was used to produce produce.3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.4) We must polish the Polish furniture.5) He could lead if he would get the lead out.6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time topresent the present.8) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.10) I did not object to the object.11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid.12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.13) They were too close to the door to close it.14) The buck does funny things when the does are present.15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail.18) After a number of injections my jaw got number.19) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear.20) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.21) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?Let's face it - English is a crazy language. There is no egg in eggplant norham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine inpineapple. English muffins weren't invented in England or French fries inFrance.Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat. Wetake English for granted. But if weexplore its paradoxes, we find thatquicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig isneither from Guinea nor is it a pig.And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groceand hammers don't ham? If the plural oftooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth beeth? One goose, 2 geese. Soone moose, 2 meese? One index, 2 indices?Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend. If youhave a bunch of odds and ends and get rid ofall but one of them, what do you call it?If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? If a vegetarian eatsvegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed to an asylumfor the verbally insane. In whatlanguage do people:Recite at a play and play at a recital?Ship by truck and send cargo by ship?Have noses that run and feet that smell?How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and awise guy are opposites?You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your housecan burn up as it burns down, in which youfill in a form by filling it out and in which, an alarm goes off by goingon.English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects thecreativity of the human race, which, of course,is not a race at all. That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible,but when the lights are out, they are invisible.PS: Why doesn't "buick" rhyme with "quick"? Candy Roberts, ABR, GRI, RCEExecutive Vice PresidentMiddle Tennessee Association of REALTORSMurfreesboro, TN 37127http://mtar.org[EMAIL PROTECTED]615-893-2242 / fax 615-893-2250
[QUAD-L] Agree to disagree
Title: Agree to disagree People I sent this note today. Duplicity was not my intent, but relieving someone of the feelings of being shunned is our obligation for many reasons but most importantly because needing a haven and a place to grow is why this list exists. -C - Carol I was surprised Jim(the guy who runs the quad list) had taken the strong reaction of removing your name from the list. Others have also expressed strong, unpopular opinions that are subjects that are just avoided. Chalk it up to having a bad day. Whatever the cause, I don't want you to think everybody on the list feels O.K. with this decision and I see it having a dampening effect to future discussions. While I don't think one viewpoint is enough to base an opinion on, exclusion is not the answer. I would rather have people see different viewpoints and that will add balance to anyone's view. Good Luck to you and your son If you have any stroke questions, feel free to write me. Regards, Cameron W
[QUAD-L] Where was I? -oh yeah, Welcome new guy! Paul was it?
Title: Where was I? -oh yeah, Welcome new guy! Paul was it? P I got a little sidetracked, but I saw your post. You will find this forum a good resource for info. And gadgets that will help you out. My memory foam pillow and suggesting cruises for vacation are just two examples -Cameron W strokes in 24 hrs. in 1994
RE: [QUAD-L] RE :forum discussion
Title: Message -Original Message-From: Cameron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:17 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] RE :forum discussion Carol You seem to be missing what myfocus was, I agree with the points in the "letter-to-the editor", but what he states and you state are NOT the same thing. You write illegal, but insinuate total cultural bias (i.e,Some Mexicans are good people I am sure. But so many of them are not. They are ruthless, they will die before they would return to THEIR country. they are breeding like flies. ) FLIES? That you chose towrite that yet again shows an underlying bigotry that is more than "I tell em as I see em" frankness. When earlier immigrants needed help on the farm.presto! they used nature's employment agency. When the newcomers see it's hard to make it financially with more than a couple of kids (around 2.3) watch how quickly those statistics change. About 12 year old mother's, are you kidding? There isn't one person on this list that hasn't at least heard of some stupid little girl who believed a boy's lies of "trust me". And those stories are about American kids. Maybe a band-aid or Robatussin would be better than adequate heath care? Whydoesn't our government immediately send illegals to exportation centers after medical care? They haven't felt the pressure to yet. I just heard about a Governor who sent a bill to Mexico for illegals court and indigent hospital careit's a start. With poverty goes crime. In all cultures Who sells"them" the crappy houses and cars? Who brought "them" here?..maybe American company owners looking for cheap labor from people who weren't able to make it at home. Don't confuse stubbornness with righteous conviction -Cameron -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:58 PMTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: [QUAD-L] RE :forum discussion IMMIGRANTS,NOT AMERICANS,MUST ADAPT. I been watching the opinions and not commenting much. However isn';t this what I said in the 1st place in a nutshell. The only peoples that are coming here in hordes are the Mexicans...soon we will be North Mexico and Mexico will be South Mexico. Some Mexicans are good people I am sure. But so many of them are not. They are ruthless, they will die before they would return to THEIR country. they are breeding like flies.I say if we don't shut the borders now and send the illegals back then the United States as it is now will perish. Here at the hospital we have access to patient information and since this is a University hospital they can't be turned away. You'd be surprised how many hispanic names there are. and many are young girls as young as 12 yrs having babies. If you look at the court dockets you see many hispanic names. They buy houses on land contracts from slum lords at highly inflated prices. They buy cars from weekly pay lots. They have the same privileges as us citizens have and I don't think this is RIGHT. However since most of the National guard is in Iraq I doubt we have enough manpower to send them anyplace. I wonder whose bright idea this was to let them all come here. Carol in KY
RE: [QUAD-L] WAKE UP! Isn't this forum about discussion?
Title: Message
Hey there Lori
I meant there is a word or two missing:
People seem to just be turning a blind eye, Cameron and/or
feel "it doesn't REALLY
affect me NOW."
Were you saying you felt I DID believe in open boarders? 'cause I don't. Quotas and enforcement work for
me.
Why would Americans owe Ethiopians or
Guana-manians(sp) anything?
26? I hope it was a big ass car or a circus
clown car.Do you hear of services being denied at hospitals there? Maybe there
should be a non-resident clinic/hospital.
-C
-Original Message-From: Lori Michaelson
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:54
PMTo: QuadSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] WAKE UP! Isn't this
forum about discussion?
Hi Cameron,
Hmmm, I thoughtmy comment (particularly the line you
ask about)was quite clear
AS WELL ASfollowing along the lines of your
post.
A majority of mankind here in the U.S. don't (or can't) see
the long-term
consequences of opening our borders. Soo, if it
doesn't affect them
personally they shy away from it. Someone else's
problem.
It has affected me in two states. In Va .. the influx
of illegal blacks are coming from
Ethiopia or Guana in huge numbers. And they have the
attitude that SOMEHOW in their narrow
selfish minds ... they feel that the U.S. OWES THEM
everything.
Here in Tucson (an our away from the Mexico border) the
influx of illegal
Hispanics is having it's own issues. Most recently -
TWENTY SIX illegals
were in ONE CAR and I think it caused an accident (Todd or
Julie may add
specifics).
THEN *WE* foot the bill for *their* injuries when OUR OWN
citizens need
care but sometimes don't get it because of overpopulation
now.
We're on the same page, aren't we Cameron?
Lori
---Original
Message---
From: Cameron
Wallace
Lori ... please clarify:
People seem to just be turning a blind
eye, Cameron and/or feel "it doesn't
REALLY
affect me NOW."
-Cameron
RE: [QUAD-L] I'm gone
Title: Message -Original Message-From: Cameron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:17 PMTo: 'Aaron Mann'Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] I'm gone A You aptly wrote:I, for the sake of my kindred disabled, would ask that each of us consider what is being posted before posting. Remember, we have all ages and nationalities in our small percentage of the population thank you, Sir/Ma'am -Cameron -Original Message-From: Aaron Mann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:52 PMTo: Houston809; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quadlistSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] I'm gone Honestly, I must say I am a firm supporter of our 1st amendment rights, but the discussions lately have been such that I've backed off reading as religiously as I once did. I, too, would appreciate the discussions either come to a point regarding our disabilities or take them "off-list". I've seen many things discussed here and certain topics have spun off into a "questionable" realm. I, for the sake of my kindred disabled, would ask that each of us consider what is being posted before posting. Remember, we have all ages and nationalities in our small percentage of the population. I'd like to think we live with enough hardships to want to heap on more would be crazy. A
[QUAD-L] Isn't this forum about discussion?
Title: Isn't this forum about discussion? People Why is the only thing mentioned about my reaction to straight out knee-jerk reaction to a changing society is the ending of the posts, but with sympathy for the author's feelings . I tried to clarify my intent and realize my Enrich my Wordpower approach was not the best choice-should a perceived slight trump the point I was writing about? If you think I'm full of shit-speak up or is this like Bush's cabinet where if your not for us, your against us? This was sent to me. I totally agree, never once mentions pursuing education or reproduction as bad things. Speak your mind. Back it up. Or maybe you might think about a different tact -Cameron PS Carol- at no point did I mean to offend- but it was a bit heavy handed Story in Tampa Newspaper Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of Choice?? Think about it All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings. It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break Isn't it amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday? We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one has a problem with that. This says it all! This is an editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please! IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the politically correct! crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! In God We Trust is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity! to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE. It is Time for America to Speak up If you agree -- pass this along; if you don't agree -- delete it! AMEN I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) it will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers
RE: [QUAD-L] Question about power w/c parts
Title: Message BobbieI know you sometimes go to Kessler West, the wheelchair clinic might help with Medicaid. Good to see you posting again. -Cameron -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 8:03 PMTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: [QUAD-L] Question about power w/c parts OK, I'm now officially in my "new" power chair, it's 5 years old already. I had the locking system placed init so I can drive safely. BUT the arm rests are to long, the foot plates are to big, the back is to big and the canes are to high. The company is out of business where I bought the chair. [not really but they were such a holes that I REFUSE to deal with them] I went to invacare.com to look for the parts I'm going to need - OMG the foot PLATE is over $100 Question: Has anybody here ever gotten parts on Ebay for your chair? Or ever bought a power chair on Ebay? Where would you guys "steer" me to modify my 2001 "new" chair? I'm going to try Medicaid, but I dought it. Help ~ Bobbie
RE: [QUAD-L] MEX Takeover?
Title: Message YIKES!!! girl "US"- "THEM" "breeding like flies"? Isn't a college education a good thing to gotoward (usually)? remember when "them" were black people now we are on the same American team the only solution is to be afair, God and countryrespecting, inclusive, true American with a moral backbone. To share our culture does not have to mean forsaking our way of life. Avoid beinga isolationist, elitist, xenophobe with feelings of powerlessnessYou mighthave read-the people who Hitler first courted to be of the later mind set H. You can't blame newcomers for taking the easiest path- it's governmental pandering. White male self-serving patriarchal pandering. Right now, these rich-old-white men are treating America as an unlocked candy store. We are all away on lunch break and have the key My great, great grandparents immigrated to Canada not knowing English. Now it's romanticized as "the cute Swedes that faltered in their grasp of this language" Where is your family from? very myopic sentiments in your letter it is not the American way lead by example what you do for your son is beautiful-now THAT'S a goodAmerican!! good luck -Cameron Happy flag day, too (that's fLag day-no jokes from the peanut gallery) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 12:33 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] MEX Takeover? Well maybe not an immediate takeover, but in the years to come. They are breeding like flies, their children ARE getting an education and will end up going to college. They are here to stay whether you like it or not. when you go to McDonalds now they wait on the window. and if you ask for anything extra they can't understand and have to get the manager. We LEGAL Americans may not even be alive when this happens but our children will have to deal with it. I say correct it before it becomes any worse. Send them packing. Quickly. Carol -Original Message-From: Ol' Man River [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Approval Department [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSent: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:51:03 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] MEX Takeover? Carol, I'm not so sure I call the 1st 13 years in school much of an education. I'm thinking anyone who doesn't get a 4 year college degree isn't going to be much a threat to the American way of life. Most US companies won't let you through the front door without a degree. The burger flippers and hammer swingers aren't going to take over America. The rule makers will be taking steps long before the economy collapses to make necessary changes. You aren't thinking the illegals are going to overtake Washington and start passing pro-illegal laws are you? They won't be any more loyal to their respective races than whitey has been. Dave (That isn't the sky falling is it?)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave don't know if you've ever been to Kentucky but it gets hot here in the summer and very cold in the winter and there are plenty of Mexicans here. I don't hold any thing against them as a race. I just don't want them to be here illegally sapping up all our benefits. And think again if you think they are not getting educated. They are breeding like flies and all those children get the same schooling as American children. It's just a matter of time til there is a takeover... -Original Message-From: Ol' Man River [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Approval Department [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSent: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:44:04 -0700 (PDT)Subject: [QUAD-L] MEX Takeover? Carol, I'm not so sure all the Bubas in the south or the yuppies in the north east are going to roll over and let the country go to the mexicans. The frigid north central is safe because mexicans have no interest in freezing their butts off. California isn't worth anything anyway except for the nice weather on the coastline so they can have that. Texas, Arizona and New Mexico are too hot for most Americans so they can have them too. mexicans have no interest inachieving any real social status by legal means so middle and upper america is safe there. looks like it will be a fight of the dirtbags to control the bottom of the pile. i believe there will be more places in america 'we' just won't go because of racial intolerance and social depravity. i won't cry not going to LA again and once i'm done working, i'm out of phoenix. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems you are not looking at all the true facts. all this that you speak of ties right in with the Mexicans being here. It's all of a bigger picture that you don't see yet. It has not happened. I'm sure it will be
RE: [QUAD-L] JERKING PAYPAL SPAMMERS
Title: Message S-gal This allows hackers an open window to your computer. I don't know if a virus protection program or firewall works if you open the link RULE 1 OF COMPUTERS:if you don't know 'em- don't open links. I hope your cc info isn't on your computer history C-guy -Original Message-From: Stacy Harim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 11:41 PMTo: quad-list@eskimo.com; dave oconnellSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] JERKING PAYPAL SPAMMERS I've gotten that as well. What's up with clicking on the link and the page not exist? They must not be getting anywhere with it. Stacy - Original Message - From: dave oconnell To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 11:13 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] JERKING PAYPAL SPAMMERS ok, so i've gotten a few email from paypal-phishersasking me to update my info by logging ONTO a paypallook-alike site. i clicked and noticed the addresswas http://62.251.161.3/cpa/us/ppt.htm - not evenclose to a paypal address. i entered totally bogusinfo and clicked submit - it accepted my input so iclicked BACK. there was my bogus info page so iclicked ENTER again. too easy, so now i wrote alittle program to click ENTER and then BACK. i put itin a loop for 20,000 runs. most people who have thissort of website buy the webpage input from a 3rd partyat some fee per submission. i've driven a fewphishers out of business like this and these clownsare next. there are so many legal and honest ways tomake a living - these guys really torque me off. i see the rest of you went to bed early.sleep tight,daveDave(what's a quad?)Yahoo! MailStay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour:http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
RE: [QUAD-L] About net scams
Title: Message Dan I use Paypal all the time with eBay, it's very safe. For that extra safeguard transfer an amount that works for you into a Paypal account and even with the best hackers, all they could snatch is the money in that account. -Cameron -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:31 PMTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: [QUAD-L] About net scams When Mark mentioned that he had thought he got a scam from the net. It makes me wonder if things like pay pal and etc. are safe ? I found a few items I would like to buy on ebay--but some sellers only use things such as pay-pal. Do any of you use these pay methods , are they safe ? I have bought from 2 stores online after being told those are pretty safe by credit card. Thanks for input from any more familiar with this stuff. Dan
[QUAD-L] Back to school
Title: Back to school Hey peeps How can vocational rehab help out when I take some courses? Is working with online courses a better option? Will a needed HHA's hours/driving be a expense that can be covered? Regards, C
[QUAD-L] Hooked up chair / hey! Ronnie
Title: Hooked up chair / hey! Ronnie I'm buying a camera and recorder that I can use with my wheelchair. The 8 x AA batteries in the unit will allow 4 hrs of shooting/viewing, does anyone know how I could tap into my chair battery? Ronnie Jump right in on any subject or start a new one Regards, Cameron-bi lateral 3x stokes in Oct. 1994 hemiplegic
[QUAD-L] draw sheets
Title: draw sheets Hey people Where can I get draw sheets? Regards, CW
[QUAD-L] Me, me, me, me, me check1, check1
Title: Me, me, me, me, me check1, check1
RE: [QUAD-L] Dave / Nursing Home
Title: Message That was great advice, Tony! This group always has such great ideas, I'm sure we might have suggestions for Dave Stephanie or others out there. Let's hear everybody's ideas. Well wishes are cool but. W. do your magic (if there is an idea). What does anyone know about advocates? -CW -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Dave / Nursing HomeIn a message dated 2/28/2005 4:33:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone, This is my first time posting to the list and what prompted me was Dave's post that he was "probably the only list member in a nursing home". No, you're not, my friend, I have been living in one now for three years having no choice between the messed up policies of Medicaid Medicare here in Florida. Please, don't even bother mentioning the Olmstead Decision I consider that a laugh. Don't get me wrong I actually feel lucky to have found this place and I'm treated well, but I miss having a normal life, going places (live in rural area no affordable public transportion) and feeling like a part of society. As for assisted suicide I certainly understand how one could reach that decision and won't lie have considered suicide many times myself, but am now glad I didn't carry through. As the years go by and physically things continue to deteriorate though I am certain suicide/euthanasia will once again rear its for me and, though it saddens me, if its ever legalized is probably an option I'll take. Off this sad subject: I just want to say I am so pleased to have found this list and am learning much and deriving great hope from all your posts! Thank you, Jim Lubin, you're the bomb, baby. ;-) Stephanie Dialc3/c4 18 yrs post Stephanie n Dave..it truely hurts me that you guys remain locked away; and Steph, i'm forwarding your email to my BSCIP caseworker coz that program, the way i understand it, is for keeping young bright minds out of nursing homes.I'm really happy that this list is here, too. It's my connection to people that understand my life...well, a little bit, anyway.I would love to see you and Dave out of those prisons...Now, here's my take on euthanasia: I'm all for having the right to get out with some dignity. It makes no sense to me that we put animals down to provide mercy, but force people to suffer right to the long drawn out bitter end, no matter how horrible it is.I've thought a lot about this, and i know drug dealers that i'll get enough oxycotins to do the job when i'm ready.;...i just ain't readyi love my life, and see past the bars of prison, but if one day that prison becomes too much, then i want a choice.peacetony
[QUAD-L] Temperpedic bed
Title: Temperpedic bed Had a rough time getting to sleep last night and while channel surfing I stopped on an infomercial for the Temperpedic bed. For years I have been wishing to sleep in my bed without the sound of the air pump connected to my alternating pressure air mattress, would I need the air mattress with this bed? One other concern is when I haven't gotten a urinal in place quick enough, cleaning meant changing sheets and cleaning the plastic mattress with straight vinegar. Does anyone know what would protect this bed and still work for me? -Cameron
[QUAD-L] Starting a business
Title: Starting a business Does anyone know where I might look for help starting a business whether home based or brick and mortar? Information on SBAssociation financing, insurances, equipment, business grants that help the disabled etc. Are there any websites I should check out? - Cameron
[QUAD-L] Comrades on wheels
Title: Comrades on wheels You may have missed this post but I recently was FWD'ed an Asian/Anglo really stupid joke and after editing out the more blatant racism I sent it to the forum to see what reaction it elicited. While most people were effusing their understanding (or being silent) of the gays it was not mentioned at all. Was this just everyone being complacent and even if it was showing intolerance, it was not in to take heed. On the other hand could it have been that I could spew out any crap without comment because it didn't interfere with any active posters agenda and so what if he's being a putz. While finding out relevant information about quad-dom is important, I hope we can all share with each other in order to help each other be better human's. Please don't feel I was testing everyone. I was unsure of how to make a point. It ended up leaving me with more questions. I want the forum to help me advance, not just occupy time -Cameron
RE: [QUAD-L] HARDY-HAR-HAR
Title: Message R- Good answer I'll keep my day job -C -Original Message-From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:00 PMTo: quadlist List; Cameron WallaceSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] HARDY-HAR-HARCameron:I missed this, it's pretty bad :-/On Jan 31, 2005, at 4:58 PM, Cameron Wallace wrote: -Original Message- From: Sipley, Janet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:41 PM To: Debbie Martin; Osmun, Ronald; Stout, Beverly; Cameron Wallace; Daigle, Donna D.; Kristin Bartlow Subject: FW: An Asian man was trying to exchange yen for dollars and asks the American bank teller, "Why it change? Yestoday I get two hunat dolla fo yen - today I get hunat eighty? The bank teller says, "Fluctuations." The Asian man says, "Fluc youguys too!"
RE: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer disabled
Title: Message yes -Original Message-From: Silas Shelburne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:43 PMTo: Brian Stocker; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com; Cameron WallaceSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer disabled Hey guys and gals, Just had to jump in and ask, does SCI eventually cause you to turn gay? I had a real hard time with gays before my accident, if I thought you were gay I would steer clear. Silas - Original Message - From: Brian Stocker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com ; Cameron Wallace Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer disabled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I copy that River. The question that I have though it is, if they're gay people that wish they want to be straight, why can't they? JimThe Answer is easy. ask yourself if you are a straight male, would you want to lie with and make love with another male?We are all wired to what is sexually attractive to us. Some are somewhere in the middle, whereas most are pretty certain about their sexuality.Have a great dayBri
[QUAD-L] agenda
-Original Message- From: Grant Karpik Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: agenda You may have seen this before but just in case you haven't. ;) I know that many of you have heard Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell and others speak of the Homosexual Agenda, but no one has ever seen a copy of it. Well, I have finally obtained a copy directly from the Head Homosexual. It follows below: 6:00 am Gym 8:00 am Breakfast (oatmeal and egg whites) 9:00 am Hair appointment 10:00 am Shopping 12:00 PM Brunch 2:00 PM 1) Assume complete control of the U.S. Federal, State and Local Governments as well as all other national governments, 2) Recruit all straight youngsters to our debauched lifestyle, 3) Destroy all healthy heterosexual marriages, 4) Replace all school counselors in grades K-12 with agents of Colombian and Jamaican drug cartels, 5) Establish planetary chain of homo breeding gulags where over-medicated imprisoned straight women are turned into artificially impregnated baby factories to produce prepubescent love slaves for our devotedly pederastic gay leadership, 6) bulldoze all houses of worship, and 7) Secure total control of the INTERNET and all mass media for the exclusive use of child pornographers. 2:30 PM Get forty winks of beauty rest to prevent facial wrinkles from stress of world conquest 4:00 PM Cocktails 6:00 PM Light Dinner (soup, salad, with Chardonnay) 8:00 PM Theater 11:00 PM Bed (du jour)? ~~ ~~ A good end cannot sanctify evil means; nor must we ever do evil that good may come of it ...William Penn, 1683 Grant Karpik [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ ~~
RE: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer disabled
Title: Message Silas The question seemed mind boggle-ingly obvious. That's why that answer came back. If you believe "those queers" are so different that an injury couldmake you "turn", you are dealing with the brainwashed misconceptions of a society that isjust now dealing with the facts. You should listen to your aide when he talks about being different. When you feel sympathy or compassion, it's not that you are turning gay rather you are seeing that he is not so different from you except in that one area. SCI makes everyone know what understanding from others can mean. Particularly a straight, white, American, rural male don't stop asking questions, OK? -Cameron -Original Message-From: Silas Shelburne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:14 PMTo: Liz; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer disabled I knew I should have kept my mouth shut, lady I wasn't being sarcastic hell im new to this SCI shit. Reading some of the other post on the subject I was just curious. I have a gay attendant he tells me what its like growing up being gay, he's been through pure hell. Makes me feel bad because of my so called ignorance and intolerance. Silas - Original Message - From: Liz To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer disabled I hope you are being sarcastic, if not, some SCI's cause ignorance and intolerance. - Original Message - From: Silas Shelburne To: Brian Stocker ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com ; Cameron Wallace Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer disabled Hey guys and gals, Just had to jump in and ask, does SCI eventually cause you to turn gay? I had a real hard time with gays before my accident, if I thought you were gay I would steer clear. Silas - Original Message - From: Brian Stocker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com ; Cameron Wallace Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer disabled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I copy that River. The question that I have though it is, if they're gay people that wish they want to be straight, why can't they? JimThe Answer is easy. ask yourself if you are a straight male, would you want to lie with and make love with another male?We are all wired to what is sexually attractive to us. Some are somewhere in the middle, whereas most are pretty certain about their sexuality.Have a great dayBri
[QUAD-L] HARDY-HAR-HAR
Title: Message -Original Message-From: Sipley, Janet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:41 PMTo: Debbie Martin; Osmun, Ronald; Stout, Beverly; Cameron Wallace; Daigle, Donna D.; Kristin BartlowSubject: FW: An Asian man was trying to exchange yen for dollars and asks theAmerican bank teller, "Why it change? Yestoday I get two hunat dollafo yen - today I get hunat eighty?The bank teller says, "Fluctuations."The Asian man says, "Fluc youguys too!"
RE: [QUAD-L] Scary Movie
R. I heard it was good -C -Original Message- From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 4:52 PM To: Quad List Subject: [QUAD-L] Scary Movie I saw White Noise this weekend, it scared the beejeezus out of me I'm a real sucker for ghosts, and contact with the dead type stuff. I had my eyes covered through many parts. If you like to be scared, go see it. River
[QUAD-L] RESEND*** YO! ,Does no one use this? Oxytrol-patch
Title: RESEND*** YO! ,Does no one use this? Oxytrol-patch Hello peeps What are your feelings about OXYTROL as an alternative to DETROL and other drugs to control urinary urgency? Regards, CW
RE: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer disabled
Title: Message Houston I think you wrote what people feel but don't say. I would much rather have someone be direct about any question about anything. rather than harbor the prejudice in silence and never change.It seems this list is chock full of people ready to give it a shot. We should all steer away from trying to "shut down" anyone dealing with misconceptions..but kill all bigots;) regards, Cameron -Original Message-From: Houston809 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 2:04 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quadlistSubject: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer disabledWell I guess I opened a can of worms or SNAKES this time. I TRULY APPOLOGIZE for anyone that Ive offended. Im usually more thoughtful before I open my mouth, but I slipped up. Things happen... 4 those that dont know me think as U will... 4 those that do know me ... Well U know me theres no need 2 speak up or say anything on my behalf... Im a grown man will stand on anything Ive said...About the movie Ive always loved Clint Eastwood as an actor director ... Morgan freeman I love as an actor ... Hes pretty adamant about picking movie scripts and the characters... Ill have 2 see and judge 4 myself... Clint I didnt know had those views about disabilitiesI dont know what dr. your son had but he shouldve been sued 7 lose his license 2 practice. I wanted 2 die after I 1st became a quad ... But if my Dr. wouldve said it hed have gotten cursed out.On 1/30/05 1:18 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the big deal about being Gay and disabled. I've had many emails that are the same words, do you not know how to copy and paste and why not quit repeating what someone else has already said. I'm sure there are many disabled people that may be gay but that is the lifestyle they choose.As for this movie business, if this is how Clint Eastwood really feels..it will come back to haunt him.My son John who had the stroke was told by his Dr that " he would rather die than live as a quad" but my son believes that would be suicide and chose to live. God gave him another chance to recover and become a Christian. Last year he became a Christian and was baptized in the local rehab's heated pool.Carol in KY
[QUAD-L] Video stuff
Title: Video stuff I tried following my own instructions and it didn't work Don't click the link-put it in the address bar, but it is www.real.com Download free version Next type www.realguide.com Click MUSIC on the left margin I forgot this step- click MUSIC VIDEO SPOTLIGHT Click on Jennifer's new video Suffer through a Listerine commercial Enjoy It's worth it
RE:[QUAD-L] Queer disabled group
Title: RE:[QUAD-L] Queer disabled group Houston Where are you from? How old? Did you choose disability? Do you (anyone) choose to be queer AKA gay? regards, Cameron what are your deep-down, honest feelings? -Original Message- From: Houston809 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:47 PM To: quadlist Subject: [QUAD-L] Queer disabled group Is or rather whom on this list is also member of queer disabled? In queer are they referring 2 being GAY? Im not homophobic but Im not joining any group 4 gays when Im not gay. I dont necessarily see the relationship between being disabled and being queer... Just because Im disabled doesnt mean that I need 2 become a queer 2 get love. 1st let me stop and see if Im not going down the wrong street with this topic
RE: [QUAD-L] Queer and Disability
Title: Message whew! that was a close one ;) -Original Message-From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 6:38 PMTo: Quad ListSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Queer and DisabilityOOOps, so sorry folks I didn't realize that was happening. You have to sub to the list, so don't worry you won't get queer gay stuff (not that it would hurt you).By,ROn Jan 29, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Liz wrote: If you hit reply all to answer River's posts you will be adding your posts to that group. I doubt it goes through as I believe you have to sub to that list. So, Houston I hope that answers your question. - Original Message -From: Cameron Wallace To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 1:50 PMSubject: RE:[QUAD-L] Queer disabled groupHouston Where are you from? How old? Did you choose disability? Do you (anyone) choose to be queer AKA gay? regards, Cameron what are your deep-down, honest feelings? -Original Message- From: Houston809 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:47 PM To: quadlist Subject: [QUAD-L] Queer disabled group Is or rather whom on this list is also member of queer disabled? In queer are they referring 2 being GAY? Im not homophobic but Im not joining any group 4 gays when Im not gay. I dont necessarily see the relationship between being disabled and being queer... Just because Im disabled doesnt mean that I need 2 become a queer 2 get love. 1st let me stop and see if Im not going down the wrong street with this topic
[QUAD-L] Quad list-Sharon
Title: Quad list-Sharon Sharon Welcome to 'ya You'll be able to read or ask about anything. I hope you will feel at ease to jump in at anytime. There is a wide range here Regards, Cameron W. (3 strokes in 24 hrs in 1994)
RE: [QUAD-L] City Grants
Title: Message Greg What dept. in your city government did you speak with? Also, how did you get financing to buy a home with (I assume) having a low income? regards, Cameron -Original Message-From: Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:32 PMTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: [QUAD-L] City Grants To All: Not sure if I sent an e-mail about this, so thought I'd mention it gain incase not. You might look into asking you city if they have grants you might qualify for. I'm getting $5000 to help make my house more accessible. I just bought a house and the doors have a 4 inch step. So I'm getting $5000 to ramp them and use to put in a roll in shower. No hassles, just get 3 bids. I never thought I'd qualify. I found out about it on a fluke. Just saw a story about grants, so I called the city and asked if our city did. Greg
[QUAD-L] Oxytrol-patch to help to stop peeing RIGHT NOW!!!
Title: Oxytrol-patch to help to stop peeing RIGHT NOW!!! Hello peeps What are your feelings about OXYTROL as an alternative to DETROL and other drugs to control urinary urgency? Regards, CW
RE: [QUAD-L] Dining with Dignity - Utensils for the Disabled
Title: Message Ireceived these at Christmas time and was looking forward to using them as soon as I opened the box. They work well and aside from a few minor details (like a case, somewhat like a hard case case for sunglasses) they are a great help. Jim L., thanks for the "heads up". .-Cameron -Original Message-From: QuadPirate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:57 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Dining with Dignity - Utensils for the Disabled I'veordered this product because I hate the contraptionI use now I'll let you know how I like them. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Don and Sharon Hiatt Date: Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:53:06 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com; Jim Lubin Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Dining with Dignity - Utensils for the Disabled Hi All!I use these utensils. They are fantastic! I met the man who makes them at a disability's expo in MD. They fit on your thumb and first finger so easily and noone is any the wiser that you can''t use your hands. No stares while you're eating!Sharon the 'roo slayer- Original Message - From: "Jim Lubin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: quad-list@eskimo.comSent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 1:50 PMSubject: [QUAD-L] Dining with Dignity - Utensils for the Disabled Some may find this useful. Dining with Dignity - Utensils for the Disabled http://www.diningwithdignity.com/.
RE: [QUAD-L] ARE YOU HIV/AIDS PATIENT ???
Title: Message It would be acallous albeitlogical objective of drug companies R Ddepts. to find a drug that suppresses the virus, but does not "cure" AIDS therefore requiring an ongoing need for the drug. Do Iseem pessimistic or pragmatic? regards, CW -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] ARE YOU HIV/AIDS PATIENT ??? If someone had the cure it would be worth millions or billions... The 1st case in the U.S.A. was around 1980 and since then Our nation and very many others have been searching for a cure.so far only drugs that help or slow progress have been discovered. Dan
RE: [QUAD-L] Re: Accessible Home featured on ExtremeMakeover:Home Edition
Title: Message Hey people Do need to/to be transfer into the Sure-Lift? regards, Cameron -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Accessible Home featured on "ExtremeMakeover:Home Edition" I also have the Sure Hands lift. I have the stainless steel sling which, I never use and a nylon sling that I used daily. I've looked into the track system but that was way tospendyfor my blood. Jim
x2 RE: [QUAD-L] Re: Accessible Home featured on ExtremeMakeover:Home Edition
Title: Message Hey again I was just reading their website (Sure HANDS) and it explains all regards, CW -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Accessible Home featured on "ExtremeMakeover:Home Edition" I also have the Sure Hands lift. I have the stainless steel sling which, I never use and a nylon sling that I used daily. I've looked into the track system but that was way tospendyfor my blood. Jim
RE: [QUAD-L] Sci appearances
Title: Message Smurf A cute Gothwho knew there was a possibility!and not severe After living years in NYC, I can say "very East Village(Goth central)" you should give it a go...if that appeals NYUniversity/Washington square is right there separates the East Village from the West Village at the middle of the island where 5th Ave. starts what are you studying again? schools- they got! life is short- you are young-go, girl,go regards, Cameron -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 3:56 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Sci appearances In a message dated 16/01/2005 17:39:50 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Smurf arent you in Australia or England? I thought the Goth look was a New York Fashion Statement!!! :) just joking Im sure you look great in all black I bet it makes it easy going shopping. :) I started classes at Ivy Tech Tuesday theres a whole group of kids that are into The Goth Culture as you said you are who you are. Im sure their parents are thinking differently. And if you were into Grunge that would be cool or if they were into Grunge intentionally instead of just being the UNDESIRED look they have. I wish I was in Australia - it's been a life long dream! I'm in England, about an hour away to the right of London. The whole Goth look isn't something that society agrees with here, but to me I feel normal. There's one place about 40 minutes away called Canterbury, and that's Goth city! I'll paste a piccy of me below of me as a Goth, then you can tell me if I look anything like a NY chick!!! I think too many kids go Goth because it's the fashion; that's usually the time I go sporty, then when the fashion moves onto something else I go back to being Goth. I can't speak for everyone, but the Goth image displays me, it's who I am. One thing I hate though is when people "follow the fashion" - I change styles to remain unique! hehe Rubbish piccy I know, but what do you think?! Bet you never expected ever to see a Gothic Smurf in this lifetime! Love Smurf xxx attachment: Untitled.jpg
RE: [QUAD-L] Global transportation
Title: Message Lori thanks. This is a keeper regards, Cameron -Original Message-From: Lori Michaelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:08 PMTo: QuadSubject: [QUAD-L] Global transportation For those looking for worldwide info on vans (including U.S.) ... Planet Amber has a cool list... http://www.planetamber.com/resources/208.html - From care to equipment to rights to technology to accessible motoring to leisure Lori
[QUAD-L] Delivery of vans
Title: Delivery of vans How much time should be expected between the time of committing to the purchase and getting the van? What is a standard deposit or if not done with deposit how do you have a company start the delivery process? (I've never bought a car, minivan or anything like that before) Regards, Cameron
RE: [QUAD-L] Delivery of vans
W Good to see you back on the list. I thought I was crackin' up, then I was reading others were noticing your absence. As always you offer good advice Thanks Regards, Cameron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Delivery of vans The Time: varies. Depending on the need of, and availability of necessary equipment to adapt the vehicle. Some new vehicles can be purchased off the floor with very little wait. Some adaptive equipment must be added at time of construction. On full size van, 8-12 weeks of normal construction On mini vans, 4-6 weeks from the time the factory starts conversion. Deposits: depends on your relationship with the dealer. If you are providing the chassis, you shouldn't need a down payment. If the chassis is being purchased by the dealer for conversion at the factory, your going to have to pay for the chassis. Remember, if you get angry and want out of the contract, the dealer is stuck with a chassis that has to be sold to someone else. And that takes time and money. Proceed slowly and at YOUR pace. If you are not comfortable with any situation before you are committed to a contract, turn around and stroll out the door. You can always turn around and come back. Once you are committed to a signed contract... your options are few. Best Wishes W In a message dated 1/15/05 3:26:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How much time should be expected between the time of committing to the purchase and getting the van? What is a standard deposit or if not done with deposit how do you have a company start the delivery process? (I've never bought a car, minivan or anything like that before) Regards, Cameron
RE: [QUAD-L] Buying a van
Title: Message E thanksthanksthanksthanksthanksthanksthanks so much. I will be using ez-lock -C -Original Message-From: Eric Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 6:25 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Buying a vanThere isn't a right or wrong van, only what's right or wrong for you. I have a rear entry minivan and will NEVER go back to a side entry. I can park anywhere without worrying about some idiot parking on the striped area. Unless you park on the street, I see no advantage to a side entry. Possibly a bit more space inside. I used to have a 3/4 ton full size van. What a pain in the ass using a lift is compared to just cruising up the short ramp on my minivan. It was also a hassle getting my long chair turned 90 degrees once I rolled into the van from the lift. With my full size van, even if no one was parked in the striped area, my lift and chair were too long for me to get in my van just using the striped area. I had to use part of the next space too. My fiancee hated driving the big full size. However, if you travel a lot you'll appreciate the extra room in a full size. This means nothing though if you have needs that require a particular kind of van. One word of caution though if you want to use an ez-lock with a rear entry minivan. The rear entry minivans have a slight hump in the floor in the rear. If you want to use an ez-lock, your chair and the ez-lock must fit on the level area in front of the hump. The chair will probably fit. I have an older design Ranger X with the old style long frame and size 12 feet and my chair fits fine. I could not use an ez-lock because part of the ez-lock's docking station would have been on the angled part of the hump. Where the docking station ends up being located is going to depend on the design of the chair, your size, and where the pin would be located on your chair. The pin is usually placed between the drive wheels, so, a front wheel or mid-wheel drive chair shouldn't be a problem. If your chair is rear wheel drive, the aforementioned factors come into play. The rear wheel drive chairs from Invacare and Pride today have much shorter frames. The rear wheels are located much closer to the driver, and probably won't be a problem. My old chair has a really long frame. They don't even make it anymore. Unfortunately if you have a rear wheel drive chair, the only way to be sure is have an ez-lock installer look at your chair in the van. Like I said though, chairs designed today have much shorter frames. EricCameron Wallace wrote: Hey people What factors or models of van should be considered when looking for a conversion van? I know I want a lowered floor and an auto chair lock. I will be a passenger -Cameron
[QUAD-L] Helping someone get a bed
Title: Helping someone get a bed My mother's friend was on a cruise and was talking with the family of a young man in a chair. They were all very helpful when giving suggestions of things to consider for planning my first cruise. Recently, my mother received a phone call from this family asking her if she knew where they could get one of those beds that rotates along a metal frame. While I don't even know the proper name of this bed, I knew this is where I could get referrals Regards, Cameron
RE: [QUAD-L] feet hopping
Title: Message I have these too and they are not as obnoxiously obvious as they seem when you first think when you first see them without your feet in them. oh! and they're great when you have clonus or are hyper-reflexive as I am/do.regards, Cameron-Original Message-From: Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:06 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] feet hopping I bought these feet plates that screw onto your chairs feetrest. They have 2 velcro straps that go around your feet, plus a 1 inch high edge around the back so your feet don't slide off. They work good, but if you have bad spasms you can lift your foot right out of your shoe. I could not go without them. But not sure where to buy them. I ordered them when I bought my chair. Greg - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] feet hopping anyone know a way to keep your feet from hopping so much? i tried velcroing my shoes down but it didn't last long. luke
[QUAD-L] FW: George Carlin's Views On Aging `````takes a minute to load but worth it
Title: Message George Carlin's Views On Aging ..Do you realize that the only time in our lives when we like to get old is when we're kids?If you're less than 10 years old, you're so excited about aging that you think in fractions. "How old are you?" "I'm four and a half!"You're never thirty-six and a half.You're four and a half, going on five! That's the key. You get into your teens, now they can't hold you back.You jump to the next number ... or even a few ahead. "How old are you?" "I'm gonna be 16!" You could be 13, but hey, you're gonna be 16! And then the greatest day of your life you become 21. Even the words sound like a ceremony . . . YOU BECOME 21. YE!!! But then you turn 30. Oooohh what happened there? Makes you sound like bad milk. He TURNED; we had to throw him out. There's no fun now.You're just a sour-dumpling.What's wrong? What's changed? You BECOME 21, you TURN 30, then you're PUSHING 40. Whoa! Put on the brakes .. it's all slipping away.Before you know it, you REACH 50 . and your dreams are gone. But wait!!! You MAKE IT to 60.You didn't think you would! So you BECOME 21, TURN 30, PUSH 40, REACH 50 and MAKE IT to 60. You've built up so much speed that you HIT 70! After that it's a day-by-day thing; you HIT Wednesday! You get into your 80s and every day is a complete cycle; you HIT lunch; you TURN 4:30; you REACH bedtime. And it doesn't end thereInto the 90s, you start going backwards ... "I Was JUST 92." Then a strange thing happens.If you make it over 100, you become a little kid again."I'm 100 and a half!" May you all make it to a healthy 100 and a half!! ..HOW TO STAY YOUNG 1. Throw out nonessential numbers.This includes age, weight and height.Let the doctors worry about them. That is why you pay "them!"2. Keep only cheerful friends.The grouches pull you down. 3. Keep learning.Learn more about the computer, crafts, gardening, whatever.Never let the brain idle. "An idle mind is the devil's workshop." And the devil's name is Alzheimer's. ..4. Enjoy the simple things...5. Laugh often ... long and loud. Laugh until you gasp for breath. .. 6. The tears happen.Endure, grieve, and move on.The only person who is with us our entire life, is ourselves.Be ALIVE while you are alive. ..7. Surround yourself with what you love ...whether it's ... family, pets, keepsakes, music, plants, hobbies, whatever. Your home is your refuge. ..8. Cherish your health.If it is good, preserve it.If it is unstable, improve it. If it is beyond what you can improve, get help. ..9. Don't take guilt trips.Take a trip to the mall ... even to the next county .to a foreign country, but NOT to where the guilt is. 10. Tell the people you love that you love them ..at every opportunity.AND ALWAYS REMEMBER: Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. And if you don't send this to at least 8 people .. Who Cares!But do share this with someone. We all need to live life to its fullest each day.
[QUAD-L] Buying a van
Title: Buying a van Hey people What factors or models of van should be considered when looking for a conversion van? I know I want a lowered floor and an auto chair lock. I will be a passenger -Cameron
RE: [QUAD-L] Help....
Title: Message heh, heh, heh somehow I think there are 1 or 2 others.maybe :) -Original Message-From: ~LittleQuad~ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 4:36 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'David K. Kelmer'; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] Help well now that you point it out, haha yes you must be.Cameron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only dirty mind here, or was the last line of the letter below -damn funny? -Cameron -Original Message-From: David K. Kelmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:50 PMTo: ~LittleQuad~; Quad-list postSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Help Hi LQ, New surgery takes a little time to heal, but if it stays sore and continues to bleed, have your doc take a look at it. Do you have Home Health Care nurse come out that you can ask what they think? I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Get that hole working right! :-) With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA ~LittleQuad~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey gang! I've had my surgery and my doctor says it was a success. I'm not so convinced! The hole gets clogged up and fluid build-up. It's very sore and bleeds when messed with. I can hardly stand to look at it, much less cath thru it! My mom tried and she couldn't figure it out. So I'm going to try it in a little while. Doc says do it every 4 hours. Ugh, help! Is it supposed to do that??? I'm going to get a pic taken of it and send, hopefully this week. Thanks guys!! Amye http://fly.to/littlequadYahoo ID - littlequad
RE: [QUAD-L] Help....
Title: Message Am I the only dirty mind here, or was the last line of the letter below -damn funny? -Cameron -Original Message-From: David K. Kelmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:50 PMTo: ~LittleQuad~; Quad-list postSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Help Hi LQ, New surgery takes a little time to heal, but if it stays sore and continues to bleed, have your doc take a look at it. Do you have Home Health Care nurse come out that you can ask what they think? I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Get that hole working right! :-) With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA ~LittleQuad~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey gang! I've had my surgery and my doctor says it was a success. I'm not so convinced! The hole gets clogged up and fluid build-up. It's very sore and bleeds when messed with. I can hardly stand to look at it, much less cath thru it! My mom tried and she couldn't figure it out. So I'm going to try it in a little while. Doc says do it every 4 hours. Ugh, help! Is it supposed to do that??? I'm going to get a pic taken of it and send, hopefully this week. Thanks guys!! Amye
RE: [QUAD-L] Help....
Title: Message Amye I don't have a catheter, but oozing or bleeding is never a good thing. Is there warmth or redness around the area? Drs. egos are a factor to consider. Can you get a second opinion from a specialist? regards, Cameron -Original Message-From: ~LittleQuad~ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 6:52 PMTo: Quad-list postSubject: [QUAD-L] Help Hey gang! I've had my surgery and my doctor says it was a success. I'm not so convinced! The hole gets clogged up and fluid build-up. It's very sore and bleeds when messed with. I can hardly stand to look at it, much less cath thru it! My mom tried and she couldn't figure it out. So I'm going to try it in a little while. Doc says do it every 4 hours. Ugh, help! Is it supposed to do that??? I'm going to get a pic taken of it and send, hopefully this week. Thanks guys!! Amye
RE: [QUAD-L] Help....
Amye This is much better than a Dr.s opinion. -Cameron -Original Message- From: Dana Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:33 PM To: Quad-list post Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Help It will be fine! It will produce a lot of mucous at first because part of your intestine was used and that produced mucous! It will bleed, the edge of the hole is tender right now. I kept a SP in for nearly a year before 'trusting' that weird thing in my belly. Make sure you irrigate it!! At least daily. Do not be gentle about it! Put 60cc's of sterile water inn the syringe and shove it in! Then pull 30cc's out! When you pull out, do not pull if you get resistance--the end of the catheter may be against the wall of your new bladder. Irrigate again. I irrigated at least twice or until it pulled back clear. It is amazing how much mucous can build up in 24 hours. Between cathing, cover it with 2 x2's or a 4x4. It will keep the irritation of clothes down. When you do cath, make sure you get far enough in--the first few weeks of cathing, if my doc did it, I would be flabbergasted as far in she would put it. The type of cath I use, only about 5-6 inches sticks out in order to get it all the way in. I really should measure that. I will let you know what kind of cath I use as those red rubber hospital kind might as well be a piece of spaghetti! Plus they drain slowly. Do you still have a SP in? Using that at night gives the hole a chance to rest and the sides to heal a bit. If the cath will not go in easy, if there is resistance, take a deep breath and let it out--relax! And keep your water drinking up! It will help expand the new bladder--altho if you are cathing only every 4 hours, I would cut back on the water, or just sip it now and then. If you drink a whole glass it will hit in about an hour and you will need to cath every 20-30 minutes, if that much, as your bladder will not be able to hold that much liquid at a time. If your are leaking, up the caths to 3 hrs. It will take quite a while to get used to it and to the new feelings you will get. They re-arranged your insides! They will be sore. A picture will help. Sometimes, no matter what you do, the durn thing will 'not' go in. Relax for a bit and have someone else try. The angle of the cath will help. When it goes in the hole have it pointed down a bit towards the new bladder. The main thing is to be patient! It will work--stay on ditropan or whatever you use for bladder relaxation. What kind of cath are you using? The red rubbers are the softest, but because of that it does not have enough stiffness to get thru the tight times, but will eventually if you lubricate. I forgot about lubricating--its been so long since I have used it, I forget about it. Basically its one of those things that the more you 'fight', the worse it is. Then suddenly it will go in, and you have no idea what you did! I will be signing off for the day, but be optimistic, it will work and see ya tomorrow! take care, Dana and ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: ~LittleQuad~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quad-list post quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:52 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Help Hey gang! I've had my surgery and my doctor says it was a success. I'm not so convinced! The hole gets clogged up and fluid build-up. It's very sore and bleeds when messed with. I can hardly stand to look at it, much less cath thru it! My mom tried and she couldn't figure it out. So I'm going to try it in a little while. Doc says do it every 4 hours. Ugh, help! Is it supposed to do that??? I'm going to get a pic taken of it and send, hopefully this week. Thanks guys!! Amye
RE: [QUAD-L] A new movie out about euthanasia
Title: Message "The Sea Inside"? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 4:34 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [QUAD-L] A new movie out about euthanasia Hi All, Did you hear about the new movie out about a quadriplegic who wants the right to die? It dabbles in the euthanasia subject. I don't remember the title. Bobbie
: [QUAD-L] Re: I'm ok....
Title: Message Subject: [QUAD-L] Re: I'm okA I didn't realize your surgery was going to be the type that required tubes and liquid restrictions. Glad to read that you feel positive about the work done and it will only be a minimal amount of after effects. Please keep us "posted" ;) -Cameron In a message dated 12/12/2004 00:01:49 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hey gang...surgery the 7th was great and successful, the nose tubes are out, im holding my own... it will b tuesday before liquids...will keep u all postedi've been getting up in chair since 8th.. love amye Thanks for keeping us poster Amye, good to hear things was a success story!!! Looking forward to having you back chatting to us!! Love Smurf xxx
RE: [QUAD-L] Wanted: Your Opinion on a New Powerchair
Joel This list is open to anyone concerned with quad-opinions/interest. If your reticence to post is out of wanting to honor Rosie's feelings, maybe it's time for Rosie to rethink motivation. I can see a want from you to be accommodating and a desire from Rosie to assert conviction of opinion. This is not meant as a slight to Rosie, but reading between the lines. If I'm inaccurate, I apologize, that is what I've gleaned from both your posts. Regards-Cameron -Original Message- From: joelbennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 8:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [QUAD-L] Wanted: Your Opinion on a New Powerchair Hi Everyone! I know I dont contribute regularly - but I do read through the posts a couple of times a week. I guess I just dont have much to say right now - besides - this is Rosie's list anyway, right? Anyway. since Rosie is entitled to a new wheelchair in 2005 so we are looking into which one we might get and I was wondering if any of you have opinions on the subject. She currently has a Jazzy 1120 (which has worked flawlessly for almost 5 years now). Do any of you have a chair that elevates in height or use a stander chair? Experience with wheel diameters? Anything personal experience you share will help us. Heartfelt thanks. Joel Bennett Greensboro, North Carolina Daughter, Rosie - BS/C1/C2 - 01/00 - Current age 16 Full Time Public High School Student Powerchair and Laptop http://homepage.mac.com/rosiebennett
RE: [QUAD-L] Re: Bored!
Title: Message Gale You didn't mention how your surgery went, but if a laptop is on your mind-I assume you feel it went well. I hope you're allowed to go home soon. -Cameron -Original Message-From: Gale See [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:03 PMTo: Quad ListSubject: [QUAD-L] Re: Bored! Hello everyone, I am laying in bed bored to tears trying to heal the pressure sores on my backside. I have borrowed my wife's laptop and through a Remote Desktop Control I am operating my regular computer which is in the next room. It is very slow operating as my head mouse doesn't work on the laptop, (I can get one that will work on here, but I haven't got one yet). So I have to operate everything my voice or "mouse grid" which is very slow and aggravating. However, I have ordered a new laptop with a head mouse, and Bluetooth technology. Hopefully I will have this set up within the next 10 days. I hope everyone has a great day. Gale :-) :-( :-)
RE: [QUAD-L] Fwd: Yahoo is checking up on us
Title: Message R thanks -CW -Original Message-From: Rosie Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:14 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [QUAD-L] Fwd: Yahoo is checking up on usBegin forwarded message: From: nooz4sooz [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: December 4, 2004 11:57:52 AM ESTTo: Undisclosed-Recipient:;Subject: Yahoo is checking up on usFYI -Yahoo is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track Yahoo Group usersaround the net and see what you're doing and where you are going - similarto cookies.Take a look at their updated privacy statement:http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacyAbout half-way down the page, in the section on cookies you will see a linkthat says "web beacons." Click on the phrase "web beacons."That will bring you to a paragraph entitled "Outside the YahooNetwork." In this section you'll see a little "click here to opt out" linkthat will let you "opt-out" of their new method of snooping.Once you have clicked that link, you are opted out. Notice the "Success"message on the top of the next page. Be careful because on that page thereis a "Cancel Opt-out" button that, if clicked, will *undo** the opt-out.Feel free to forward this to other groups.Rosie www.cafepress.com/anandarosewww.homepage.mac.com/rosiebennett
RE: [QUAD-L] Re: Bored!
Title: Message Lori- Here's some interesting news that is not going to be offered up by Dr.s because there are no follow-ups or prescriptions formedicine involved. It is something told to me by my HHA who has been doing this job since the 1960's and had very practical and effective advise. For litigious reasons I have to write that professionals should be contacted (by phone or whatever) to searchout valid contrary opinions. This method should only be done to closed sores This is surprisingly simple: Have a basin of hot water (as hot as possible without scalding you) With a hot, wrung out, slightly wetfresh face cloth-warmand open the pores of the area and it also helps increase blood circulation too. If the skin is very thin -just hold the cloth there. If you can massage the area without tearing your skin, do soAs the cloth starts to cool, redip the cloth, wring it out and reapplyAfter 3-4 times,put Epson salt (plain 'ol Epson salt) on a hot,slightly wet face cloth and make a poultice (loose sandpaper). Either place or massage area (remember, it's like sandpaper) redip cloth and slightly wring out and reapply more Epson salt leave skin with salt alone for 2-3 minutes With a wet, wrung out , slightly wet fresh cloth-wipe away saltpat dry bath as usual if you have sensation on your butt, you will know if it's working I had 2 or 3 sores start in the past 4 years that never get beyond the red skin stage when that itch starts do this to cut the sore off at the knees :) good luck-Cameron -Original Message-From: Lori Michaelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:37 PMTo: QuadSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Bored! I resorted to books on tape. Still, even that gets old day after day. We have that Bluetooth technology too but it's not easy to learn. Have it but not using it. On this list and the SCIC list ... this has been a year for sores! Geeez. Mine is closed but the area around it now stays red, rashy or seepy. Different every day. No idea what is causing it all. But it's either horomonal, fungal or my exzema. Thought when the wound closed I'd be scot-free. Nope. I need a dermatologist who'll do a home visit. uh-huh. Lori ---Original Message--- From: Gale See Date: 12/04/04 11:03:38 To: Quad List Subject: [QUAD-L] Re: Bored! Hello everyone, I am laying in bed bored to tears trying to heal the pressure sores on my backside. I have borrowed my wife's laptop and through a Remote Desktop Control I am operating my regular computer which is in the next room. It is very slow operating as my head mouse doesn't work on the laptop, (I can get one that will work on here, but I haven't got one yet). So I have to operate everything my voice or "mouse grid" which is very slow and aggravating. However, I have ordered a new laptop with a head mouse, and Bluetooth technology. Hopefully I will have this set up within the next 10 days. I hope everyone has a great day. Gale :-) :-( :-)
[QUAD-L] Where is the River?
Title: Where is the River? Has anyone kept in touch with River? I liked reading her posts. Maybe there was not enough belief in her election conspiracy worries. I was hoping to hear more of her Buddhist teachings as they related to quad-hood. -Cameron
RE: [QUAD-L] Where is the River?
Title: Message ha-ha :) -Original Message-From: David K. Kelmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 5:30 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Where is the River? Hi Cameron, I too would have enjoyed hearing about her experiences and thoughts on Buddhism and living life as a Quad. Maybe now that the political season has passed we can discuss something less controversial, like religion! :-) With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA Cameron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone kept in touch with River? I liked reading her posts. Maybe there was not enough belief in her election conspiracy worries. I was hoping to hear more of her Buddhist teachings as they related to quad-hood. -Cameron
[QUAD-L] RE: ~ Bobbie here ~
Title: Message Bobbie It's me, Cameron. I have gotten comfort in knowing your letter was always at the beginning of the active letters pile in my emails, but when I wanted to send birthday salutations, I was a little embarrassed to realize that it has been 7 months before I wrote back. I have been remiss and I am sorry. My schedule is not as crowded as it might be to cause this gap. My rational in the past has been that I was waiting for something worth mentioning before I wrote. I thought writing Happy Birthday was a really good way of letting you know I was thinking of you. The other week, I was talking about you(objectively) to my speech therapist, as an example of someone who is self-possessed and exudes a confident aura (and on wheels). I hadn't said your name, but Angela (from VNA) askedyour nameand that confirmed she knew you. We both agreed that you are a ray of sunlight to others and we touched on the fact that you take time to visit "new members" to this club that no one would seek to join. I would feel judged and too afraid of a negative reaction to do that. People might not see it at first, but you help ease the transition of people entering into a new, alien and trying world. I hope your effect on these scared people is also seen/felt by you. I wish for you all the hope and good feelings you inspire, ten fold. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, KIDDO!!! xxx, Cameron PS You were the first person I did not know, who actively sought me out, to engage me in conversation since my "change" - years before. I hope you don't mind my sharing this letter with everyone on the list so they will know there's an angel among us. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: ~ Bobbie here ~ Hi Cameron, How have you been? How was your winter? How's your health? Pete and I are doing great. I left the choir in Feb. because it was to damm cold and 10:00 was to late to get home. I'm enjoying this warmer weather, I love spring and fall. I would love to come to your place and talk to you face to face sometime soon. What do you think? I don't want to push myself onto you either. So, you let me know if or when. Keep in touch, Bobbie
[QUAD-L] Hot seat
Title: Hot seat Hey people-es This talk about alternating cushions is great! I didn't know they existed, but had wished they did. I was wondering if there is a cushion (like those being advertised on TV as a feature on the new model of Ford(?) truck/car/SUV) that has an element that keeps you cool? That would be great when I'm outside. regards -Cameron
RE: [QUAD-L] helping people
Title: Message It is a good thing that you are able to look beyond your own needs and help someone that can benefit from your insight. Though I can not help with specifics, I would suggest you have him look to ADAPT's main site(if he has computer access)where there is a state-by-state listing of individual offices to find the one closest to him in order to make inquires...and suggest he post his questions here on this forum regards, Cameron -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:04 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [QUAD-L] helping people I went to Lawrenceburg, IN, and I was transferring into my wheelchair from my car with my Mom in a parking garage. I heard someone sitting behind our car, and when I was situated, I turned around and saw a young black man in a wheelchair (a regular hospital chair not evaluated and fit to his needs). He said, "How do you do that, get out of you car like so?" I said, "It has taken hard work to learn the sliding technique. I slide on a transfer board to the front seat." He then said, "Do you think you could help me? I do not have a chair like that so I can go out to the mall and stuff like that. I told him to give me his phone number and I would call him with resources, a way to do things, and that I would walk him through this and get him the things that he needed to become independent. I had never seen this person in my entire life, but he needed help and he called upon a stranger in a parking garage. God works in mysterious ways. My question to everyone is if you know about any good support groups, or Independent Living Centers in Hamilton Co., OH? I will be calling him to discuss his situation, and his different needs, and I want to be prepared to answer all his questions thoroughly. I am not familiar with the State of Ohio, so if anyone can send me info, it would be appreciated. ***Hello everyone! I hope you are doing fine. Keep your heads up, because tomorrow the sun will rise again.
RE: [QUAD-L] ...river
Title: Message Eric You're being obtuse the nature VS nurture debate is for an "Oprah" episode nice tits and round butt or big shoulders and muscular ass does it matter whose lookin' or why? don't pass judgment on something you don't know about or do you? -Cameron -Original Message-From: Eric W Rudd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:01 PMTo: 'quad'Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] ...river You gotta be kiddin...did someone tell you to be? Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 4:53 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quadSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] ...riverI certainly didn't choose to be gay.
[QUAD-L] A list
Title: A list Here is a list of Prominent Democrats, Prominent Republicans, and Prominent Pundits Preachers... and their Military Service Records. Democrats Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71. David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72. Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72. Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade. Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam. Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII. John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts. John Edwards: did not serve. Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea. Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star Bronze Star, Vietnam. Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953. Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91. Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal. Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit. Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart. Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V. Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star. Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57 Chuck Robb: Vietnam Howell Heflin: Silver Star George McGovern: Silver Star DFC during WWII. Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments.Entered draft but received 311. Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953 John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters. Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg. Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general. John Dingell: WWII vet John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea Republicans Dennis Hastert: did not serve. Tom Delay: did not serve. House Whip Roy Blunt: did not serve. Bill Frist: did not serve. Rudy Giuliani: did not serve. George Pataki: did not serve. Mitch McConnell: did not serve. Rick Santorum: did not serve. Trent Lott: did not serve. Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage. John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business. Jeb Bush: did not serve. Karl Rove: did not serve. Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. Bad knee. The man who attacked MaxCleland's patriotism. Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve. Vin Weber: did not serve. Richard Perle: did not serve. Douglas Feith: did not serve. Eliot Abrams: did not serve. Richard Shelby: did not serve. Jon Kyl: did not serve. Tim Hutchison: did not serve. Christopher Cox: did not serve. Newt Gingrich: did not serve. Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight instructor. George W. Bush: six-year Nat'l Guard commitment(incomplete). Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies. Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII Phil Gramm: did not serve. John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Bob Dole: an honorable veteran. Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986 JC Watts: did not serve. Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer. G.H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese. Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam. Antonin Scalia: did not serve. Clarence Thomas: did not serve Pundits and Preachers Sean Hannity: did not serve. Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.') Bill O'Reilly: did not serve. Michael Savage: did not serve. George Will: did not serve. Chris Matthews: did not serve. Paul Gigot: did not serve. Bill Bennett: did not serve. Pat Buchanan: did not serve. Bill Kristol: did not serve. Kenneth Starr: did not serve. Michael Medved: did not serve. So we can all contemplate who has the right and the knowledge and the experience to lead us in war...and who has not! Thought that you might enjoy this bit of information.
[QUAD-L] Tony from Fla.
Title: Tony from Fla. I just wrote to Tony Starez in Fla. And the address is no-more. Does anyone know what happened to him?
RE: [QUAD-L] vote for the right man for the right reason
Title: Message
Sherry
Nicely, compassionately, objectfully,
thoughtfully and non-partisan-ally(I knowI know) said.
Feels too close to the evolution VS creationism debate.
Your "evolutionary" stance seems so obvious.
I'm glad to read/hear those truths written down. There
will always be a chasm between those who concentrate on either
reality/ delivery or status quo
/advancement of medical knowledge.
-Cameron
-Original Message-From: Sherry
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004
10:07 PMTo: Stuntman; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re:
[QUAD-L] vote for the right man for the right reason
Sorry, but no.
"If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do
when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of
that wheelchair and walk again," Edwards said."
"IF we do the work
in this country..."
Which means, the
research work we, as a nation, are capable of. The proper funding of all
medical research,. "IF"
We= the nation,
Do the
work..
" the work that we
will do when John Kerry is President"
A continuation of
that same thought, funding research, in this instance stem cell as CR
advocated for.
"people like
Christopher reeve will get out of that wheelchair and walk
again."
Yes..again note "IF
WE DO the work this country is capable of"
He is not promising
a cure...he is not saying if Kerry is elected quads will walk...Words have
meaning..,..how can anyone, yes anyone, not understand this sentence? He
is saying, we as a nation can find cures, but only so long as research is
allowed...
This part of his
statement, is only saying, that a continuation of the same sentiment.
(thusly a comma) That only with research, are cure possible. I shan't go
into that stem search is the only hope..or the only way or the only cause...It
is an example that medical research is needed as well as the work, we as a
country can do..to even effect a change.
Flying to the Moon
was once considered impossible as well.
Had we not had
funding..it never would have happened. Back then, was it promised
we actually would be able to do so? No. (This reminds me of the CR
superbowl commercial that was pulled because people actually thought he had
been cured...I couldn't believe that mentality either)
How many illnesses
have been cured, by good ole US of A research?
The general public
can identify with CR ..moreso than if he said a quadriplegic will get
out of their chairs and walk." How many AB's know what being a quad is?
yet, they can make the basic connection if CR is used as the example. Which is
what Edwards did.
{{The best to you,}} Sherry' To be willing to March into Hell for a
Heavenly cause"
- Original Message -
From:
Stuntman
To: Sherry ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:19
PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] vote for the
right man for the right reason
Looks like I was right."Will" in the context he used it. Yes I was
being a bit sarcastic. I may have paraphrased, but it was
accurate.BTW it is time to start up "the Apathetic" party.We could
really get out the vote.However, there is a little problem with global
terrorism that needs to be eradicated first.I have no faith in a man
who wants to run on his military record but refuses to release
it.Bush inherited a lot of trouble.Had we not gone into Iraq, the
O.F.F. Scandle might not have been uncovered.I'm not surprised
France got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, along with Germany,
Russia, China, and the head of the UN's O.F.F.These are the people
komrade kerry wants for allies.Of course what can one expect from the
ONLY US servicman honored in the Vietnam Communist mueseum.
StuntmanSgt SAC USAF 1971-75(Yes when it comes to Kerry it's
personal) No, http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/12/edwards.stem.cell/index.html
The Comment was " Edwards said Reeve, who died Sunday, "was
a powerful voice for the need to do stem cell research and change the
lives of people like him. "If we do the work that we can do
in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president,
people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and
walk again," Edwards said."WHICH, proves
my point on the pertinent wording. He did not say " If Im elected,
the lame shall walk" or anything close to it. Now..I can
respect most anyoneand their views. They do not have to agree with
mine to be credible in any form. But I will say this,
I have gone face to face, head to head many a time with Frist. And I can
say, in him I see pure evil and pure self motivation. AND fact is, he
has more "power' in our congress than Bush. I once appeared
RE: [QUAD-L] Re: funny funny
Title: Message truly arrogant reply,Boyd Advanced years and flexing your vocabulary muscle to appear learned and somehow above it all rather than succinct is a cop-out. It is not a race that YOU are running in. Don't give in to the urge to get personal. We all get enough crap in our lives. This forum is supposed to be a sanctuary from that crap. It will all be history in 2 weeks. Than the real work begins. Right-wrong, left-right,Democrat-Republican will not stop being. A youngster , any youngster, shouldn't need to contend withmyopic ( good word, huh?) oldsters -Cameron -Original Message-From: Boyd Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:12 PMTo: Rosie BennettCc: Joel Bennett; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: funny funnyOn 10/20/04 9:28 PM, "Rosie Bennett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yes, I agree. It is a shame that George Bush Jr. won the 2000 presidential election.Rosiewww.cafepress.com/anandarosewww.homepage.mac.com/rosiebennettThe affectation of youth as it stumbles upon itself in the amusing effort to appear urbane and knowledgeable in such affairs as national politics, is pathetic at best, butobsequiously humorous in fact. So prepare yourself Rosie. Youre facing another four years of shame as DuBaYa puts this one away also.But youre lucky, by then youll be old enough to go tothe poll all by yourself. :-)Boyd
RE: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves / Go ahead yell at me now
Title: Message yeah! good analogy, Dave :) -Original Message-From: David K. Kelmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:14 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves / Go ahead yell at me now Hi Glenn, There is no reason to yell. You haveevery right to express your opinions here. That is why we are such a great country.That is whySuperman "fights a neverending battle for Truth, Justice, and the American Way." :-) With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry for his family's loss, sorry for his untimely accident and death.I may be in the minority, but I don't remember one interview that he advocated putting money into research for the existing quads as far as the betterment of our care.Every time I saw him interviewed, it was "a cure for him" and I applaud him for that.The truth is that someday there may be a cure, but I am not sitting around focusing on that cure.I am living my life to the fullest and enjoying all the things I can. I enjoy the blue sky, the turning of the leaves in autumn, the first crocus flowers to appear in spring, the big beautiful Monarch ButterflyYes, if I would have unlimited funds, I may have started therapy 3-4 hours per day, but look what he missed out on. OK, go aheadYELL!GA
RE: [QUAD-L] The L word is not a dirty word
Title: Message River and Jim You're both kinda' right, but seeing it with partisan slant it seems. The content of Kerry's response was completely within an inclusive, democratic, vote-getting (maybe a bit of pandering) agenda. But that has to be better than Bush's "usVS those queers whochose a god-hated, ostracized, unworthy of being acknowledged, hedonistic, diseased deserved" life style. By concentrating on lesbians it was both an attempted slight by Kerry toward Bush because , after all, Kerry is ready to deal, but knew it was still a bit "untidy" for the Bush camp and he was testing the waters of the voting pool to gauge the acceptable level of mud-throwing the voting public will accept. This unneeded addition of Kerry adding "who is a lesbian", rightfully may have elicited a groan- rest assured Kerry's future comments on this subject will be much more polished. The question answered by my vote is no pro- Kerry vote, but rather a more hopeful for the future, first step on a new path vote CW -Original Message-From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 2:24 PMTo: River WolfeCc: quadSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] The "L" word is not a dirty word What BS. He could have just as easily used New Jersey Gov. James McGreevey or Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank who are openly gay public officials if he wanted to personalize his answer. Mary Cheney is the vice-president's daughter and also a private citizen. Reporters at the debate reported that the audience (of college students) "moaned" when Kerry gave his response. At 04:25 AM 10/15/2004, River Wolfe wrote: Here is the statement released by GLAAD the prime media organization representing GLBT people in the media. The Human Rights Campaign's statement is similar in tone. "Bush's answer to Bob Schieffer's question about sexual orientation and Kerry's invocation of Mary Cheney -- whether you agree or disagree with that decision as a political matter -- crystallized a key difference between the candidates. One continues to talk about us in the abstract. The other went out of his way to present us as real people -- to acknowledge our lives, our families, and our humanity. It's clear from their answers last night that these two candidates have very different visions of our place in the life of our nation. "I would imagine that Kerry is as surprised as I am by the firestorm over his reference to Mary Cheney. Gay people are part of our nation, our families, our circles of friends. For anyone to suggest that mentioning us is somehow wrong or off-limits says more about their discomfort with gays and lesbians than it does about Kerry's decision last night to include and acknowledge us." peace and justice, River /blockquote/x-html Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED]Bothell, WA, USA http://makoa.org/jim disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.orgTransverse Myelitis Association: http://www.myelitis.org/HowToHelp
FW: [QUAD-L] Lynn Cheney authored lesbian novel !!! true
Title: Message -Original Message-From: Cameron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:03 PMTo: 'Jim Lubin'Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Lynn Cheney authored lesbian novel !!! true great site! the chickenhead productions -Original Message-From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:36 PMTo: River Wolfe; quadSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Lynn Cheney authored lesbian novel !!! trueAt 09:30 AM 10/16/2004, River Wolfe wrote: This is true folks, the hypocrisy never ends ;-)http://www.whitehouse.org/administration/sisters.asp2001-2004 - a chickenhead productions parody
RE: [QUAD-L] American eagle
Title: Message S It would have been nice, but it did seem a tad convenient C -Original Message-From: Stacy Harim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:43 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] American eagle That is a hoax. It is at www.snopes.com. There is not passage in the Islamic bible that says that. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Cameron Wallace To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:22 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] American eagle The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken afearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout thelands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despairstill more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands ofAllah; and there was peace. My hope -Cameron
[QUAD-L] American eagle
Title: American eagle The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible) Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace. My hope -Cameron
[QUAD-L] Wireless DVD
Title: Wireless DVD Hey people I've seen the posts about environment controls and similarly I have been looking for a wireless transmitter and signal receiver in order to be able to change DVD disks when I'm in bed Anybody know of one? Cameron
RE: [QUAD-L] Hello, I moved to AZ
Title: Message G Glad you dig your new digs. Congratulations C -Original Message-From: Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:57 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [QUAD-L] Hello, I moved to AZ Hey all fellow quads and quadets, I finely did it, I moved from the Seattle area to the Phoenix area. I've been here for 6 weeks staying at a hotel until I bought a house. I just got in and got my cable and Internet setup today. My house is filled with boxes, but I'm an offical Arizonian now. It's cooled down to the mid 90sthis week,but it's been about 105 since I got here. The afternoons were to hot to stay out, but after the sun went down it was so perfect. The warm air was so relaxing. I thought I'd subscribe again now that I have a home... Greg
RE: [QUAD-L] ADAPT magic
Riv The idea that an issue that is so important to me personally, can be a topic that is on the table for discussion by a presidential candidate, gives me cautious optimism. Reading those minutes/newsletter of events- made me feel as though the guy that happened to have 8 extra tickets sounds like an angel bearing gifts GBAmerica for her opportunities REALLY! -CW -Original Message- From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 3:40 PM To: quad Subject: [QUAD-L] ADAPT magic Ok folks, please read this through. Mr. Kerry clearly understands the issue of community support AND isn't afraid to let our people speak in his rallies. WOW, this brought me to tears, simply knowing that a leader will let someone speak in public and isn't afraid of their free speech rights Friday September 17, 2004: ADAPT magic happened again at the Town Hall Meeting in Aurora, Co with presidential candidate John Kerry. The local ADAPT group had spent the week trying to get tickets to attend the rally for Mr. Kerry on Friday and had been unsuccessful. On Friday at 2PM a decision was made and eight of us loaded up in a van to attempt to get into the meeting without tickets. The magic started immediately. The parking lots were full so we asked one of the police officers if we could unload the van before parking. You have two minutes to unload, he said, and don't go past the cones. As we pulled into the parking lot another officer said, You need to pull around right in front. But we were told not to go past the cones. And I'm telling you to go past the cones and unload. Past the cones we went. As we got to the doors we asked several people to find a specific individual, as she was to have the tickets for us. Of course, she couldn't be located, but a group of us sitting to the side were offered tickets by a man and coincidentally he had exactly eight tickets. Inside we went. We were able to pass security without too much hassle, and were directed to the side of the gym with a good view of the podium where Mr. Kerry would be speaking. The group in the wheelchairs moved up the aisle, where they were stopped by one of the union women sitting on the aisle who explained they could move no closer. As soon as she had lost interest in them and moved her foot Dawn Russell took them to the very front of the row. In his speech Mr. Kerry was very up front about the problems he saw with the present administration and the changes he was prepared to initiate. The main focus of his speech was health care and his healthcare plan for the nation, and we were clear we had come to the right place at the right time. After his speech Mr. Kerry took and responded to questions from the audience. He handed the microphone to a woman sitting next to Dawn and her question was about what would happen to her Medicaid with all of the budget cuts that were going on. As Mr. Kerry stepped back to begin his answer quiet Dawn Russell said, I have an answer to the Medicaid problems, Senator Kerry. And the Senator kneeled down and held the microphone for her. ADAPT magic at work. Senator Kerry, there are over 1 million people in nursing homes across the United States. It would cost one-third less to support them in the community. Colorado is one of the best in the country at community supports, but across the country people are having to leave their home states to come to places like Colorado to live in our own homes in the community and receive services, said Dawn. Senator Kerry responded, This is Dawn Russell from ADAPT, and she is right. No one should be forced to live in a nursing home. Mr. Kerry went on to remark on ADAPTs 14 year battle to pass legislation that would assist individuals including the elderly and the coming Baby Boomers to continue to live in their own homes. He stated that children should not have to work extra to take care of or pay for their parents. Services in the home with attendant care will not only save money, but increase jobs and pay a living wage for attendants. People should have the choice of where they live and should all be able to live independently and with dignity. ADAPT magic, Senator Kerry. Thank You -- Housing Disability Issues (formerly NHOYO) is a moderated informational list. It consists of disability issues concerning, but not limited to: Individuals, Home ownership, and Affordable housing. If you would like to be on our mailing list, send an email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] stating your wishes. Since this is not a discussion list, you will not be able to send questions directly to the list. However, if you have any information that you feel is relevant to this list, please feel free to send this information to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If we feel this
RE: [QUAD-L] PIE BOWEL SYSTEM
Title: Message or will Medicaid pay/help? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:53 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [QUAD-L] PIE BOWEL SYSTEM [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/9/2004 12:20:55 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone out there have a PIE unit? Lana I am interested in this unit also, would also like to know if Medicare will cover any expenses. Jimmy
RE: [QUAD-L] Vacation
Title: Message A See/read you soon, kiddo C -Original Message-From: ~LittleQuad~ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:45 PMTo: Quad-list postSubject: [QUAD-L] Vacation Hey gang, I'm going to take a break and get some personal affairs in order. I'll be back soon as I get school under control. Talk soon..Amye http://fly.to/littlequadYahoo ID - littlequad
RE: [QUAD-L] hello again + ?
Title: Message L You are right to ask your questions here. Pneumonia , I c can't suggest anything, but as far as an intestinal blockage -I've read many posts about P.I.E. -check it out http://www.piemed.com/ regards, CW -Original Message-From: Lana Baugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:30 PMTo: QuadlistSubject: [QUAD-L] hello again + ? Hello again! Weleft the list for a number of years. NowWe're back and I hope you still allow parents to participate. My son cannot participate fully due to other disabilities. I will try and get him as involved as he is willing too and can (This will be his decision) My son's name is Gabe and I am Lana. Gabe is 31 and had his injury 9 years ago. The product of a surgery gone bad. He has a C-5 SCI.He lives with us. But has his own suite and 24-7 attendant care. He comes and goes as he pleases. Weneed help-advice on several things. Gabe had pneumonia this summer for the first time. Hospital acquired pneumonia (HAP) He went in for a simple procedure and ended up in ICU. The question I have for you all is. While this pneumonia was picked up in the hospital, do you have any advice on prevention.(besides stay out of the hospital)This has beenthe current planGabe is busy and moving, his suitehas a HEPA filter and humidifier with eucalyptus oil in it. A real basic respiratory therapy happens 2 x a day. Anything else? Bowel motility. The painful swollen gut. complicated by a partial bowel obstruction. Gabe usually has shakes, smoothiesor yogurt. Stuff that's easy on the gut. reduce air whenever possible. However a guys got to eat a burger now and then.He uses Miralax, Citrucel and uses a biscodyl mini enema (30cc) 2x aday. The gut still grows. Any ideas?( We have used fleets basic enema, digital stimulation, bycodyl supp, glycerin supp) Thanks, Lana
[QUAD-L] FW: SEVEN WONDERS OF THE WORLD
Title: Message -Original Message-From: Diane Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:46 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tom and June Wilson; d mcc; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Beth Sullivan; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Fw: SEVEN WONDERS OF THE WORLD - Original Message - From: Jacqui To: Kaye ; Joie Ayala ; Diane Ward ; christy ayres ; Benita Federle Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:56 PM Subject: Fw: SEVEN WONDERS OF THE WORLD SEVEN WONDERS OF THE WORLD A group of students were asked to list what they thought were the present "Seven Wonders of the World." Though there were some disagreements, the following received the mostvotes:1. Egypt's Great Pyramids 2. Taj Mahal 3. Grand Canyon4. Panama Canal 5. Empire State Building 6. St. Peter's Basilica 7. China's Great WallWhile gathering the votes, the teacher noted that one student had notfinished her paper yet. So she asked the girl if she was having troublewithher list. The girl replied, "Yes, a little. I couldn't quite make up my mindbecausethere were so many."The teacher said, "Well, tell us what you have, and maybe we can help."The girl hesitated, then read, "I think the 'Seven Wonders of the World'are:1. to see 2. to hear3. to touch 4. to taste5. to feel 6. to laugh 7. and to love."The room was so quiet you could have heard a pin drop. The things we overlook as simple and ordinary and that we take for granted are truly wondrous! A gentle reminder -- that the mostpreciousthings in life cannot be built by hand or bought by man. They are giftsfrom God.
RE: [QUAD-L] If you are in NYC
-Original Message-From: Cameron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:02 PMTo: 'Liz'Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] If you are in NYC Liz Have you seen this before or are you involved in the production? regards, Cameron -Original Message-From: Liz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:41 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [QUAD-L] If you are in NYC Send this one please, the original deleted the dates. Thank you! NEWNEWSNEWSNEWSNEWSNEWSNEWSNEWSNEWSNEWSNEWSNEWSNEWSNEWS VISIBLE THEATRE'S TRUE STORY PROJECT PERFORMSFOR IMAGINE FESTIVAL 04 Actors humanize disability through autobiographical storytelling WHEN: Saturday, August 28th, 8pm Tuesday, August 31st, 8pm Thursday, August 2nd, 8pm WHERE: chashama - 217 East 42nd Street (between 2nd and 3rd Ave.) FREE ADMISSION - NO RESERVATIONS REQUIRED - WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE For more information and full schedule, visit: www.visibletheatre.org www.imagine04.org www.chashama.org Visible Theatre has been granted an AREA space grant by chashama and will be presenting 6 days of programming for the Imagine Festival, 24 hours a day, August 28th - September 2nd. attachment: Blank Bkgrd.gif
RE: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message: [QUAD-L] this is bullshit!
Title: Message
D
why, thank you, sir
I
thought it was clear, but-who knows :)
C
-Original Message-From: David K. Kelmer
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 23,
2004 11:04 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Stacy Harim';
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message:
[QUAD-L] this is bullshit!
Hi Cam,
I'm glad you replied to Stacy because I'd read both posts and thought you
hadn't meant to show Stacy and disrespect, so I was going to jump in to let
her know how I read it. It's better coming from you though, and I hope
Stacy understands you meant no harm! :)
With Love,CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28
Year PostTexas, USA Cameron Wallace
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
S
On
the contrary, as I wrote in the past- I read very introspective and up-front
posts from you and enjoy them. I guess you didn't read the post I sent
directly to you a week or two agobut it's OK,
really.
What
I meant by "Oscar night" is that I was relating a list of names that sounded
like the the litany of 'Thank you(s) actors run through when receiving
an Oscar. Chill :) Being a bit touchy, aren't we? I know you post often with
something to relate.
Tony
is still in there swinging and lusting and has a good sense of
humor
Smurf
is starting a great time of her life and has kept us
updated
'W' has always got good info to
share
everyone here has something to offer
and if someone, like Lori, says the thing that illicits
a response-God bless her for her convictions
regards, C
-Original Message-From: Stacy Harim
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004
12:33 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'River Wolfe';
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message:
[QUAD-L] this is bullshit!
Cameron,
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that. Oscar night?
I'm sensing that your last post was because you feel that I am not
contributing to the list. Could I be wrong perhaps? If I took
it the wrong way, I apologize, but I would still like to know what you
meant by your post.
Stacy
"People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you
destroy yourself"
- Original Message -
From: Cameron Wallace
To: 'River Wolfe' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 3:59
PM
Subject: RE: eScribe:
Quadriplegics: Message: [QUAD-L] this is bullshit!
RiverWhat a thing to say! Your insights are one of
the only times I've saveda post that wasn't an informational
resource. Or were you fishingfor
compliments? You must realize you've got lots to offer.Likewise
Stacy, Tony, Smurf, W,(why do I feel I'm at the podium on
Oscarnight)And let's not forget the devil's advocate:)- Lori,
who starts a gooddialog exchangeRegards,
Cameron-Original Message-From: River Wolfe
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:08
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:
Re: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message: [QUAD-L] this is
bullshit!Hi,When I subscribed awhile back, I got
the same message about being a spammer and not allowed, you have to
investigate and do all of the things the message suggests to get
in. I did, and ! here I am. I SURE no one would miss me
if I unsubbed (probably have a party though;-)Ruff and ready
River
;-)
RE: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message: [QUAD-L] this is bullshit!
Title: Message S On the contrary, as I wrote in the past- I read very introspective and up-front posts from you and enjoy them. I guess you didn't read the post I sent directly to you a week or two agobut it's OK, really. What I meant by "Oscar night" is that I was relating a list of names that sounded like the the litany of 'Thank you(s) actors run through when receiving an Oscar. Chill :) Being a bit touchy, aren't we? I know you post often with something to relate. Tony is still in there swinging and lusting and has a good sense of humor Smurf is starting a great time of her life and has kept us updated 'W' has always got good info to share everyone here has something to offer and if someone, like Lori, says the thing that illicits a response-God bless her for her convictions regards, C -Original Message-From: Stacy Harim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:33 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'River Wolfe'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message: [QUAD-L] this is bullshit! Cameron, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that. Oscar night? I'm sensing that your last post was because you feel that I am not contributing to the list. Could I be wrong perhaps? If I took it the wrong way, I apologize, but I would still like to know what you meant by your post. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Cameron Wallace To: 'River Wolfe' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: RE: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message: [QUAD-L] this is bullshit! RiverWhat a thing to say! Your insights are one of the only times I've saveda post that wasn't an informational resource. Or were you fishingfor compliments? You must realize you've got lots to offer.Likewise Stacy, Tony, Smurf, W,(why do I feel I'm at the podium on Oscarnight)And let's not forget the devil's advocate:)- Lori, who starts a gooddialog exchangeRegards, Cameron-Original Message-From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message: [QUAD-L] this is bullshit!Hi,When I subscribed awhile back, I got the same message about being a spammer and not allowed, you have to investigate and do all of the things the message suggests to get in. I did, and here I am. I SURE no one would miss me if I unsubbed (probably have a party though;-)Ruff and ready River ;-)
RE: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message: [QUAD-L] this is bullshit!
River What a thing to say! Your insights are one of the only times I've saved a post that wasn't an informational resource. Or were you fishing for compliments? You must realize you've got lots to offer. Likewise Stacy, Tony, Smurf, W,(why do I feel I'm at the podium on Oscar night) And let's not forget the devil's advocate:)- Lori, who starts a good dialog exchange Regards, Cameron -Original Message- From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message: [QUAD-L] this is bullshit! Hi, When I subscribed awhile back, I got the same message about being a spammer and not allowed, you have to investigate and do all of the things the message suggests to get in. I did, and here I am. I SURE no one would miss me if I unsubbed (probably have a party though;-) Ruff and ready River ;-)
RE: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message: [QUAD-L] this is bullshit!
R No sexual agenda C -Original Message- From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 4:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message: [QUAD-L] this is bullshit! Awww, shucks CAmeron, you gay guys know how to make a girl feel good ;-). Thanks for the kudos, Riv On Aug 20, 2004, at 3:59 PM, Cameron Wallace wrote: River What a thing to say! Your insights are one of the only times I've saved a post that wasn't an informational resource. Or were you fishing for compliments? You must realize you've got lots to offer. Likewise Stacy, Tony, Smurf, W,(why do I feel I'm at the podium on Oscar night) And let's not forget the devil's advocate:)- Lori, who starts a good dialog exchange Regards, Cameron -Original Message- From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eScribe: Quadriplegics: Message: [QUAD-L] this is bullshit! Hi, When I subscribed awhile back, I got the same message about being a spammer and not allowed, you have to investigate and do all of the things the message suggests to get in. I did, and here I am. I SURE no one would miss me if I unsubbed (probably have a party though;-) Ruff and ready River ;-)
[QUAD-L] FW: McGreevey jokes
Title: Message -Original Message-From: pat berkery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:29 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Fw: McGreevey Subject: Fw: McGreevey Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:11:22 -0400 I'm surprised it took this long! TOP 10 McGreevey jokes... 10nj state bird is now the swallow 9 nj tpke renamed Hershey highway 8 nj raises terror alert level to lavender 7 we know he didn't like bush, but this is ridiculous 6 now we know why mcgreevey enjoyed "polling" so much 5 what does McGreevey and the Israeli navy have in common? Jewish seaman. 4 nj dmv to now call rear end accidents, a mcgreevey 3 gives new meaning to stuffing the ballot box 2NY post headline...McGreevey goes down 1 shouldn't take McGreevey long to get out of the governor's mansion, he's already got his shit packed! Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE!
[QUAD-L] Houston
Title: Message Houston When I reread my letter, it made feel as though I should also be apologizing for appearing so professorial, the B.S. of writing "blindsided means" could have been expressed without coming across so curt. I didn't feel insulted by your first email. The reason I felt the need to say anything at all was because it is me or no one. I need to say something when I hear old ideas being passed as accepted truth. You are a honest guy with an open-minded outlook and still thought it was OK to write about things that perpetuate the myths that make 90% of the world see gay males as sick, dirty,child molesting and different from normal. Let's face it- how can another personrespond to or accept anything that they know nothing about? I have been challenging statements like yours since I was 17. Not that it makes me immune to feelings of underlying shame and secretiveness. I have always been happy to "pass" as straight if only because it was easier. I was envious of the fact my ex felt at ease with .shall we say ..being light in his loafers- because it was natural for him. I'm sure it was madeless confrontational by being 6'2" and being built like a brick s**thouse. It's not much different than comments about Jews, blacks, Latinos, Muslims or whatever. The people saying them haveno ill intent.but. This is what political correctness really is and not the hyper-cautious bull that's parroted by people claiming to be inclusive. We all have stories to relate, who we screw(or get get screwed by)and/or who we love should only be one facet. I have read River also show this by what she writes and I'm all for it That's all my time on the soapbox. Houston, no offence taken regards, C -Original Message-From: Houston Leek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 9:16 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [QUAD-L] GAY/Str8 CameronYeah youre right I wasnt maliciously trying 2 make any statement... accept my apology if I offended you. True there's enough controversial issues of the past. And my short sided thinking I wasnt thinking about how that story touched on gay borders. But I dont know if I led the topic that way... Initially I was just asking about P.I.E. Than posted the story I found. Stated something about knowing that theres a spot in a mans rectem that if hit right or touched right will make you cum. Im not homophobic or have anything against gays... U know the rest of the story 1 of my best friends is gay... I love Karen and Im in the company of gays regulary... I have 4 children but Ive thought a couple times about what it would be like 2 be with a man. Especially when I did those yrs in prison a lil more time Id had probably had a jail house fling..:) Who knows but I knock noone for who they LOVE as long as theyre happy I LOVE IT!!! The worlds BIGGEST problem being in others peoples business.On 8/13/04 2:57 PM, "Cameron Wallace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HoustonBeing blindsided means not having a clue. Which would be devastating. To follow your logic about skid marks, since "normal" sex involves only a penis-the grand finale involves peeing on your date. Personally for me and for (almost) anyone, the involvement of excrement in sexual matters is abhorrent. The sex roles (active/passive) are much stronger then sexual persuasion (straight/gay/bi) while I would agree that allot of gay men could imagine themselves in a passive situation... someone's doing the screwing. That other person is still gay, right? A man with 3 children is probably not passive, but who knows and if he is does that mean he's not a 'real' man and isn't that a subtle case of misogyny?I know from your letter that your statement wasn't malicious, there have been statements made that you have taken exception with that were racial related but not racially based. Likewise, I'm not the "queer" spokesman, there is no such thing. Perceptions are changed on the "one person at a time" level.I know I need to stop being a "I was here first" guy when I think about Latin people immigrating here. Remember when the only issue was black people and white people? Gay/straight wasn't even a topic for discussion. Americans are trying to move forward. I have faithsigned-the gay guy-Original Message-From: Houston Leek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:38 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Governor New Jersey Comes out Closet I dont know if she was blindsided but Im sure she knew. Your husband got them big skid marks in those tighty whities, instead of boxers. Yeah the Gay marriage thing love is love marriage is a bond between 2 people the state license
