date:20180226

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:21:11 AM UTC+1, [799] wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>  Original-Nachricht 
> An 27. Feb. 2018, 00:59, Yuraeitha schrieb:
> 
> > It is by no means a complete guide as you
> > make it sound though, it's relying overly much
> > on closed code, and Chromium is no good
> > here to look into Google Chrome. I wouldn't
> > call it the "go to" guide to get everything
> > working. 
> 
> Seriously? Do you know how much time it takes to write a how-to? To test all 
> steps and to use the feedback from other committed users to make it better?
> And as mentioned the guide is written for a special use case, playing 
> multimedia on Qubes as I wanted an OS which I can use for everything I'm 
> using a laptop for.
> 
> > Also as far as my opinion goes, Google
> > Chromes one and only strong point is the
> > support of Silverlight content, which is not a
> > technical strength, but monopolize of pure
> > power on a free market in a democracy. It just
> > downright sucks. 
> 
> The good thing is that you are totally free to use whatever you want to 
> choose.
> And yes it would be better if all content and app providers are offering 
> solutions for "the rest of us", but they aren't and the workarround using 
> chrome is good for everyone who likes to use Netflix & Co. I don't think that 
> sucks. It's better (for some) to use chrome on qubes instead of Windows to 
> stream video content.
> But yes, if we could use a default Linux installation to do all this task, 
> this would be great.
> 
> > Firefox will play everything around, as long as
> > the content delivery isn't scamming their
> > customers by using platform monopolized
> > Silverlight. 
> 
> Doesn't make sense to me, as you're saying Firefox plays everything, as long 
> ...
> The fact is: currently Firefox is not playing all content. And yes it sucks.
> 
> > Microsoft's hate towards Linux seems as
> > strong as ever, despite their so called claims
> > for otherwise. 
> 
> Any evidence for this strong argument? As far as I know Microsoft is even 
> using some Linux technologies (Linux on Windows / Linux on Azure / ...)
> 
> > If possible, we really shouldn't support
> > scumbag companies doing something as
> > manipulative like this, which is on a level only
> > a real psychopathic sick person would pull
> > off. 
> 
> the good thing is ... You don't have to.
> 
> > The fact that Firefox isn't even mentioned in
> > that "between the lines self-proclaimed all
> > solution page guide", makes me a bit sad and
> > disappointed in Qubes. I hope this is a
> > mistake. 
> 
> Honestly it was me writing this "self-proclaimed all solution page guide" 
> which took me lots of hours starting from the first version and following the 
> excellent feedback from other users to improve it.
> Maybe you should provide content instead of being sad that others try to 
> contribute to the Qubes project?
> Do you know how motivating it feels if people comment on your work like 
> you're doing?
> The Qubes documentation is done by all of us, if you want to add a section 
> how you can use Firefox to play content, feel free to do so.
> Make a difference!
> And if you think Chrome, closed source content providers are the devil, don't 
> use it, but I think giving users options is always a good thing.
> 
> If my how-to will convince one user to try out Qubes because he can even do 
> the "evil closed source" stuff, I am happy.
> 
> [799]

Okay I may have come on a bit strong worded, I apologize that I ended up being 
rude. Nevertheless I'm not reclaiming my criticism before convinced otherwise.

I didn't know who wrote that guide, or the name awokd mentioned. I didn't 
check, and frankly I don't need to know who wrote it to criticize it, it's not 
that I would have second thoughts about criticizing it if it was someone else 
who wrote it. If you've read some of my other posts here on Qubes user threads, 
I naturally criticize without holding back, it's within my personality to 
oppose institutionalized logic which appear to show flaws, it's not a personal 
attack. My goal is objective truth, I don't care about reputation or things 
like that, we can't live in a functional peaceful world if we don't seek out 
truth. I also expect others to criticism me or my criticism, not only for the 
sake of objective truth, but also because it's the greatest way to learn, to 
learn from mistakes. Being able to admit a mistake, will even accelerate 
learning.

btw I know very well how long it takes to write how to's, as I write how to's 
my self. None of them have been posted to Qubes doc's yet, but I definitely 
have projects I'm working on, such as QubesTV, QubesNAS, Qubes update script, 
Qubes screenshot scripts, etc.

My beef with this is that Qubes is about being open source, decentralization 
(Qubes Air which was planned almost a decade ago now), retaining control of 
ones own system, etc. If there are just as good open source solutions, or even 
nearly just

[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 rc4 / Qubes backup doesn't find the directory

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 8:04:44 PM UTC+1, ThierryIT wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to backup few of my VMs.
> I have mount my external usb (not using sys-usb) HDD.
> From the console where my HDD is attached/mounted, I have access through 
> /mnt/removable to all my previous (3.2) backup files.
> I have created, in /mnt/removable, a new folder.
> When running the Qubes backup, and choosing the newly created folder, I have 
> this error:
> 
> Selected directory do not exists or not a directory
> 
> I have created others folders, I have change permissions ... Same problem.
> Today all my folders are:
> 
> - drwxrwxr-x 3 user:user AppVM_bck
> 
> Same pb if root:root
> 
> ??

Apologies, I overlooked the "- drwxrwxr-x 3 user:user AppVM_bck" line in your 
post. Since your USB controller then must be directly passed into the AppVM, 
you can try create a direct path copy directly in dom0, even though you won't 
be using this path. As suggested in Rusty Bird's link. Does it work for you?

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 rc4 / Qubes backup doesn't find the directory

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 8:04:44 PM UTC+1, ThierryIT wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to backup few of my VMs.
> I have mount my external usb (not using sys-usb) HDD.
> From the console where my HDD is attached/mounted, I have access through 
> /mnt/removable to all my previous (3.2) backup files.
> I have created, in /mnt/removable, a new folder.
> When running the Qubes backup, and choosing the newly created folder, I have 
> this error:
> 
> Selected directory do not exists or not a directory
> 
> I have created others folders, I have change permissions ... Same problem.
> Today all my folders are:
> 
> - drwxrwxr-x 3 user:user AppVM_bck
> 
> Same pb if root:root
> 
> ??

I don't think it's a permission issue, it can't find the folder, so it's likely 
not even getting to the point where it's asking the system for permissions.

Missing information:
- If you're not using sys-usb, are you then running backup from dom0 or from an 
USB controller directly pass-through into an AppVM?

- Did you remember to use '' marks for spaces in the address?

- Did you mixup the domain:device flag with the -d flag, such as between 
qvm-usb/qvm-pci and qvm-backup?

- What is the full qvm-backup path you use? By full, I mean the whole thing.

In case you're not doing this from dom0, but from an USB controller directly 
passed into "any" AppVM, then to followup on the answer and link from Rusty 
Bird, to quote mig5 in the link:

"As proof, I can 'cheat' this by running sudo mkdir /mnt/removable on my dom0, 
and then I can proceed to backup my VMs on the disk mounted on sys-usb at 
/mnt/removable"

Essentially, it seems you can bypass this error by making a similar path 
available in dom0, even though the path in dom0 won't be used. Apparently it 
fails if the path isn't available in dom0, despite the path being used is 
actually inside the AppVM.

However, if you're running the USB from dom0 directly, then to my knowledge it 
has never really worked in Qubes 4, be it RC-1 or RC-4, due to the redesign 
including the admin tools, and it seemingly was not made to include dom0 
qvm-backup. I haven't checked, but maybe it was fixed since not all hardware 
can make a sys-usb (for example when touchscreen is tied to USB and the 
controller can't be moved away from dom0 without freezing the entire screen, 
not just touch, but literally freezing the picture <--- which is just one 
example why some still need to run USB controllers in dom0). 

What is your situation? More information?

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AW: Re: AW: Re: [qubes-users] Installing Chrome

2018-02-26 Thread '[799]' via qubes-users

Hello,

 Original-Nachricht 
An 27. Feb. 2018, 00:59, Yuraeitha schrieb:

> It is by no means a complete guide as you
> make it sound though, it's relying overly much
> on closed code, and Chromium is no good
> here to look into Google Chrome. I wouldn't
> call it the "go to" guide to get everything
> working.

Seriously? Do you know how much time it takes to write a how-to? To test all 
steps and to use the feedback from other committed users to make it better?
And as mentioned the guide is written for a special use case, playing 
multimedia on Qubes as I wanted an OS which I can use for everything I'm using 
a laptop for.

> Also as far as my opinion goes, Google
> Chromes one and only strong point is the
> support of Silverlight content, which is not a
> technical strength, but monopolize of pure
> power on a free market in a democracy. It just
> downright sucks.

The good thing is that you are totally free to use whatever you want to choose.
And yes it would be better if all content and app providers are offering 
solutions for "the rest of us", but they aren't and the workarround using 
chrome is good for everyone who likes to use Netflix & Co. I don't think that 
sucks. It's better (for some) to use chrome on qubes instead of Windows to 
stream video content.
But yes, if we could use a default Linux installation to do all this task, this 
would be great.

> Firefox will play everything around, as long as
> the content delivery isn't scamming their
> customers by using platform monopolized
> Silverlight.

Doesn't make sense to me, as you're saying Firefox plays everything, as long ...
The fact is: currently Firefox is not playing all content. And yes it sucks.

> Microsoft's hate towards Linux seems as
> strong as ever, despite their so called claims
> for otherwise.

Any evidence for this strong argument? As far as I know Microsoft is even using 
some Linux technologies (Linux on Windows / Linux on Azure / ...)

> If possible, we really shouldn't support
> scumbag companies doing something as
> manipulative like this, which is on a level only
> a real psychopathic sick person would pull
> off.

the good thing is ... You don't have to.

> The fact that Firefox isn't even mentioned in
> that "between the lines self-proclaimed all
> solution page guide", makes me a bit sad and
> disappointed in Qubes. I hope this is a
> mistake.

Honestly it was me writing this "self-proclaimed all solution page guide" which 
took me lots of hours starting from the first version and following the 
excellent feedback from other users to improve it.
Maybe you should provide content instead of being sad that others try to 
contribute to the Qubes project?
Do you know how motivating it feels if people comment on your work like you're 
doing?
The Qubes documentation is done by all of us, if you want to add a section how 
you can use Firefox to play content, feel free to do so.
Make a difference!
And if you think Chrome, closed source content providers are the devil, don't 
use it, but I think giving users options is always a good thing.

If my how-to will convince one user to try out Qubes because he can even do the 
"evil closed source" stuff, I am happy.

[799]

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes 4.0 rc4 / Qubes backup doesn't find the directory

2018-02-26 Thread Rusty Bird

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ThierryIT:
> When running the Qubes backup, and choosing the newly created folder, I have 
> this error:
> 
> Selected directory do not exists or not a directory

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3594

Rusty
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Re: AW: Re: [qubes-users] Installing Chrome

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:56:21 PM UTC+1, awokd wrote:
> On Mon, February 26, 2018 4:48 pm, '[799]' via qubes-users wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > I haven't fully understand what the first post was about, but if it is
> > about how to install chrome... Don't look further, it's all covered:
> >
> > https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/multimedia/
> >
> >
> > The last point covers the complete installation, including setting up the
> > directories and downloading & verifying the public signing keys.
> 
> Thanks @praschdorff and reviewers for putting that document together!

It is by no means a complete guide as you make it sound though, it's relying 
overly much on closed code, and Chromium is no good here to look into Google 
Chrome. I wouldn't call it the "go to" guide to get everything working. 

Also as far as my opinion goes, Google Chromes one and only strong point is the 
support of Silverlight content, which is not a technical strength, but 
monopolize of pure power on a free market in a democracy. It just downright 
sucks.

Firefox will play everything around, as long as the content delivery isn't 
scamming their customers by using platform monopolized Silverlight. Just 
because Google got a piece of the Silverlight working in their closed code 
version (which funnily enough is not included in the open source Chromium 
version), just smells a thousand miles away of these companies scr*wing over 
Linux & Linux users, on purpose. Microsoft's hate towards Linux seems as strong 
as ever, despite their so called claims for otherwise.

If possible, we really shouldn't support scumbag companies doing something as 
manipulative like this, which is on a level only a real psychopathic sick 
person would pull off.

The fact that Firefox isn't even mentioned in that "between the lines 
self-proclaimed all solution page guide", makes me a bit sad and disappointed 
in Qubes. I hope this is a mistake.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: firewall/proxy VM not working with Qubes 4.0-rc4

On Mon, February 26, 2018 11:17 pm, Thorsten Schierer wrote:

>
> So it seems like as soon as I create a new VM with "provides network"
> checked, it can not use the network connection of sys-net. Any other VM
> that does not provide network ifself can use sys-net directly and works
> fine. I think there is a problem with some kind of proxy setup in
> sys-firewall or something. Is there some documentation which steps are done
> regarding networking during the startup of sys-firewall, so I can try to
> do those steps manually one by one to see where the problem appears?

Can you also try doing this against the template you're using for your
sys-firewall?

qvm-features fedora-26-minimal qubes-firewall 1


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[qubes-users] Re: Building Centos template conflict error?

Great that was failing basically on all non standard templates i.e. not fedora, 
debain, or whonix.   They would all fail but it seems each had issues ubuntu, 
centos, arch.  Seems they are each getting fixed for 3.2 and getting updated 
for 4.0 now.  I was just testing to ensure things were still working for 
building as I know many prefer to build their own iso and templates vs binary.  
I am one.  Figured if docs had to be updated I would do that but it seems at 
most just a tweak or two in docs is all thats needed.

Thanks again for you and Marek getting it working

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[qubes-users] Re: Will there be a gentoo template in the plans?

If you get it working I am happy 5o write up a hpw to doc for qubes doc.

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[qubes-users] Re: Will there be a gentoo template in the plans?

I worked on this way back qubes 3.0 but never got it finished a bit of a bear 
compared to others given the nature of build vs install.  I greatly precer 
gentoo over arch but ended up usimg the later.  Still much happier if gentoo 
got working.  

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: firewall/proxy VM not working with Qubes 4.0-rc4

2018-02-26 Thread Thorsten Schierer

 Ok, I set up 2 new VMs (sys-net and sys-firewall) in case something went
wrong during the setup, but the result was the same as before.
Not sure how to enable the clocksync service in sys-net (fedora-26
template) but the date/time settings are correct, so I assume it already is
syncing correctly.

But I did some more research and this is what I found out so far is:

sys-net itself has a working internet connection (I can do "ping
www.google.com" in a terminal and everything is fine).
Also other VMs that use sys-net directly as netVM can access the internet
(i.e. ping a server etc.).
The only exception is sys-firewall, in which a ping just fails due to no
connection.

When sys-firewall starts up, a new vif is created inside sys-net (which was
expected), but there is no route created.
When I tried to create a new route it said "Network is down". So it did
"ifconfig vif8.0 up" and afterwards added a new route with:
"sudo ip route add 10.137.0.15 dev vif8.0 metric 32752"

"route -v" displays:
10.137.0.15   0.0.0.0   255.255.255.255   UH   32752   0   0   vif8.0

So at this point the ifconfig and route entries look exactly like on my
other machine which is working fine out of the box.
Unfortunately sys-firewall still does not have a working internet
connection ("ping www.google.com" results in "Name or service not known"
due to no DNS connectivity).

So it seems like as soon as I create a new VM with "provides network"
checked, it can not use the network connection of sys-net. Any other VM
that does not provide network ifself can use sys-net directly and works
fine.
I think there is a problem with some kind of proxy setup in sys-firewall or
something.
Is there some documentation which steps are done regarding networking
during the startup of sys-firewall, so I can try to do those steps manually
one by one to see where the problem appears?

2018-02-26 22:38 GMT+01:00 Alex Dubois :

> On Monday, 26 February 2018 03:48:29 UTC, thorsten...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > I installed Qubes 4.0-rc4 and have a problem with my internet connection.
> > sys-net itself has a working internet connection but sys-firewall does
> not. No need to mention that every other VM that uses sys-firewall as netVM
> does also have no working internet connection.
> >
> > If I switch the default netVM from sys-firewall to sys-net (for
> testing), dom0 can use it to update etc. Also any other VM gets internet
> connection with sys-net as Networking VM.
> >
> > An update of dom0 from testing-repository did not fix the problem.
> > Also switching the sys-firewall template from fedora-26 to debian-9 does
> not help.
> >
> > I found a similar problem here:
> > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2141
> >
> > So I checked the network interfaces and they are like this:
> >
> > sys-net:
> > lo
> > enp0s0
> > vif2.0
> >
> > sys-firewall:
> > eth0
> > lo
> >
> > Not sure, but I guess the vif interface is missing in sys-firewall?
> > How do I fix this problem?
>
> vif interface will appear when a VM connects to it.
>
> Could you clarify the term no internet.
>
> I had a lot of problems solved once sys-net had the service clocksync
> enabled (as it should).
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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS Stable Release 3.2. (Cant up-date template to fedora-26 or fedora-27)

Inhave gotten errors such as those building qubes iso and templates.  I now 
break up the components and bud them in small in order groups so I can start 
where it fails vs running the whole script build.

I would try again and as was said restart the nework vm chain or full 
powercycle the machine.  It really sucks when that happens on a six hour custom 
qubes iso build and you bogger it and have to start over.  Live and learn I 
guess lol

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can't install Qubes, Rebooting after loading initrd.img

On Mon, February 26, 2018 11:01 pm, patelma...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> After following the links, I see that yes I had already visited those,
> however they do lead to other important links to be sure, so thank you.
> The ones you sent me explain how to install through the terminal, I
> believe, whereas I was hoping to simply transfer the file from my stick
> over to the computer and then simply hit install. Is the only option that
> I use the terminal, do you know?

If you're doing it from another Linux machine, then the terminal is the
quickest/most reliable way to do it. You can't just copy the install file
over like you were doing.


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can't install Qubes, Rebooting after loading initrd.img

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:54:00 PM UTC, awokd wrote:
> On Mon, February 26, 2018 10:30 pm,  wrote:
> 
> > The new TPM chips are pretty cool too, will see where that goes. How do
> > you like yours? Did you do it all yourself or get it as is? Was it hard
> > to get to its current state where you feel like you are literally in
> > complete control of everything? Pretty sure Purism is the same but I
> > could be wrong about something. I'm just getting into all this really.
> 
> Mine doesn't have a TPM which is kind of mixed, would be nice to have the
> option at least. The G505s's are a little newer than those other Lenovos
> so a bit faster too, but they also require a couple more blobs to run. It
> was definitely a Do It Yourself thing. Mine took about 3 months before I
> could run Qubes 4 on it but I had to figure out how to get the BIOS
> updated first (it involved patching Coreboot, and I had never hardware
> flashed before!)
> 
> The nice thing about this older laptop is there is no ME or AMD's PSP in
> it. Purism/some Dells/System76 all sell systems with a partially (but not
> completely) disabled ME. Unfortunately, it's the best you can do these
> days if you want new x86 hardware.
> 
> Anyways, just email the list again if you run into problems on the
> install, but could you please start a new thread and subject if you do?
> Makes it easier to follow!

Sorry yes I'll start a new thread in the future, sorry it's just I responded 
while you were responding so I didn't see that you had left your message. I 
thought it had been published so I was busy doing other stuff and when I came 
back I saw that it had detected my email and wasn't actually published, which 
explain the time discrepancy. Thanks, will start a new thread of course. 

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[qubes-users] Qubes 4.0 rc4 / Qubes backup doesn't find the directory

On the last part you are saying even picking root of the removable it still 
fails same error?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can't install Qubes, Rebooting after loading initrd.img

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:08:22 PM UTC, awokd wrote:
> On Mon, February 26, 2018 2:47 pm, wrote:
> 
> > Uman, I saw that you help or sometimes have some time and are willing to
> > help folks with issues setting up Qubes (4.0) on their machines. As it
> > happens I have a purism 13. I've downloaded the latest Qubes and have put
> > it on a stick and tried multiple times to get the Qubes installation to
> > run but nothing on the purism seems able to read or run Qubes
> > automatically.
> 
> Hope you don't mind me butting in, Unman.
> 
> patelmax27, you might need to upgrade your BIOS first- see
> https://puri.sm/posts/qubes4-fully-working-on-librem-laptops.
> 
> Next, have you seen https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/installation-guide/ ?
> 
> First of all, make sure to back up ALL DATA on your system. Installing
> another OS will by default erase everything on your hard drive.
> 
> You then need to write the installer to your USB drive following the
> procedure in that document, then boot your laptop from the USB drive and
> follow the prompts.
> 
> (Personally, I prefer a corebooted Lenovo G505s over other laptops from an
> owner rights perspective.)


After following the links, I see that yes I had already visited those, however 
they do lead to other important links to be sure, so thank you. The ones you 
sent me explain how to install through the terminal, I believe, whereas I was 
hoping to simply transfer the file from my stick over to the computer and then 
simply hit install. Is the only option that I use the terminal, do you know? 

Thanks

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[qubes-users] Re: off topic - invite codes to 'riseup'

2018-02-26 Thread crypto7200

i need only one code please generous people

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can't install Qubes, Rebooting after loading initrd.img

On Mon, February 26, 2018 10:30 pm, patelma...@gmail.com wrote:

> The new TPM chips are pretty cool too, will see where that goes. How do
> you like yours? Did you do it all yourself or get it as is? Was it hard
> to get to its current state where you feel like you are literally in
> complete control of everything? Pretty sure Purism is the same but I
> could be wrong about something. I'm just getting into all this really.

Mine doesn't have a TPM which is kind of mixed, would be nice to have the
option at least. The G505s's are a little newer than those other Lenovos
so a bit faster too, but they also require a couple more blobs to run. It
was definitely a Do It Yourself thing. Mine took about 3 months before I
could run Qubes 4 on it but I had to figure out how to get the BIOS
updated first (it involved patching Coreboot, and I had never hardware
flashed before!)

The nice thing about this older laptop is there is no ME or AMD's PSP in
it. Purism/some Dells/System76 all sell systems with a partially (but not
completely) disabled ME. Unfortunately, it's the best you can do these
days if you want new x86 hardware.

Anyways, just email the list again if you run into problems on the
install, but could you please start a new thread and subject if you do?
Makes it easier to follow!

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 without IOMMU/VT-d/AMD-Vi or Interrupt Remapping

2018-02-26 Thread taii...@gmx.com


Sorry wrong link at the bottom, here is the right one.
https://www.coreboot.org/Board_freedom_levels

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 without IOMMU/VT-d/AMD-Vi or Interrupt Remapping

2018-02-26 Thread taii...@gmx.com

On 02/26/2018 03:47 AM, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Utility Panel
wrote:

Meanwhile, the machines I'm currently replacing are both server workstations
with 96 gigs of EEC RAM. I'm looking to upgrade to something comparable, and
I'm pretty certain at this point that I'll start building with either the
KCMA-D8 or KGPE-D16. I've got one year after the release of 4.0 to make the
transition, so I've got time to collect all the bits before 3.2 reaches
end-of-life.

Did you consider Dell workstations? I am also looking for some
high-end workstation and I was considering HP Z8 - thanks for the
warning!
I would go with a D8 or D16 as they have libre firmware available for
both the board and the BMC, they are owner controlled as there is no
hardware code signing enforcement or ME/PSP and thus are a much better
choice for security.

Another excellent choice is the OpenPOWER9 libre firmware/hardware TALOS
2, while xen doesn't support POWER so you wouldn't be able to use qubes
it is a significantly faster and more secure choice than x86_64 even vs
the non ME/PSP stuff like the D8/D16.

It supports IOMMU-GFX so you can attach a video card to a VM, installing
some video cards and having a secure KVM switch would result in a high
level of security.

So maybe Dell T7820? The plus is that you can request them with Linux
- so at least some of the compatibility problems go away.
Not exactly, they will probably require proprietary firmware modules and
or drivers which will stop working once they are out of support.

I am not so eager to build something - as you can get into the same
compatibility issues with any part be it mother board, video etc.
The KGPE-D16 and KCMA-D8 work well with qubes and they support all the
4.0 features (obviously besides intel's dynamic measured launch features
but that is a gimmick, you receive better security by signing your
kernels/initramfs and using a grub that supports the signing as your
coreboot/libreboot payload while disabling internal firmware flash)

I recommend an AMD video card as nvidia adds bugs to their drivers and
does many other things to make virtualization and linux more difficult.

and then the issue just gets more complex (and also the recommended
KGPE-D16 looks old).
While the board is old it supports CPU's which are good enough to play
new video games at max settings with a decent video card (it and the D8
also supports Crossfire XDMA for dual graphics) I recommend either the
6328 (equiv FX-8320) or the 6386SE (equiv dual FX-8300) or with the
KCMA-D8 the 4386
For the KGPE-D16 if you are on a budget the 6282SE is a decent 16 core
deal for around $100 on fleabay.

Newer x86-64 stuff is not and will never will be owner controlled and it
has either Intel ME or AMD PSP which is why for real security either you
need to get POWER (such as the libre firmware/hardware TALOS 2) or
settle for older x86-64 stuff.

A KGPE-D16 with dual 16 core opterons and 128GB RAM will be just as fast
as an equivalently priced brand new non-free dell.

MSRP:
KGPE-D16 $415
KCMA-D8 $315

Used opterons:
(buying a new cpu is pointless)
6386 - $200
6328 - $100
4386 - $80

I highly recommend obtaining a KGPE-D16 while you still can as they no
longer make them and supplies will soon run out, they are the last and
best owner controlled x86-64 devices if you still need to run x86-64
applications (otherwise a TALOS 2 is a much faster and better choice
with a higher freedom level)

https://www.coreboot.org/board_freedom_index

6282SE - $100 (not as fast, but affordable 16 cores)

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can't install Qubes, Rebooting after loading initrd.img

Thank you very much, @awokd, I appreciate the links and the help! My machine is 
totally new. Nothing has been installed on it, whatsoever. I'm just trying to 
get the Qubes on there and to go from there. I'll indeed follow your advice. 

I wanted to go with a Lenova from 2008 or prior, a freedom fighting association 
out of the UK puts them together and sells them and claims that they are pretty 
much the freest thing you can get. But with how slow they likely are I thought 
I'd rather get something a little more modern. The new TPM chips are pretty 
cool too, will see where that goes. How do you like yours? Did you do it all 
yourself or get it as is? Was it hard to get to its current state where you 
feel like you are literally in complete control of everything? Pretty sure 
Purism is the same but I could be wrong about something. I'm just getting into 
all this really. 

Thanks again for your insight :) 

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[qubes-users] Re: firewall/proxy VM not working with Qubes 4.0-rc4

2018-02-26 Thread Alex Dubois

On Monday, 26 February 2018 03:48:29 UTC, thorsten...@gmail.com  wrote:
> I installed Qubes 4.0-rc4 and have a problem with my internet connection.
> sys-net itself has a working internet connection but sys-firewall does not. 
> No need to mention that every other VM that uses sys-firewall as netVM does 
> also have no working internet connection.
> 
> If I switch the default netVM from sys-firewall to sys-net (for testing), 
> dom0 can use it to update etc. Also any other VM gets internet connection 
> with sys-net as Networking VM.
> 
> An update of dom0 from testing-repository did not fix the problem.
> Also switching the sys-firewall template from fedora-26 to debian-9 does not 
> help.
> 
> I found a similar problem here:
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2141
> 
> So I checked the network interfaces and they are like this:
> 
> sys-net:
> lo
> enp0s0
> vif2.0
> 
> sys-firewall:
> eth0
> lo
> 
> Not sure, but I guess the vif interface is missing in sys-firewall?
> How do I fix this problem?

vif interface will appear when a VM connects to it.

Could you clarify the term no internet.

I had a lot of problems solved once sys-net had the service clocksync enabled 
(as it should).

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[qubes-users] Qubes 4.0 rc4 / Qubes backup doesn't find the directory

2018-02-26 Thread ThierryIT

Hi,

I would like to backup few of my VMs.
I have mount my external usb (not using sys-usb) HDD.
>From the console where my HDD is attached/mounted, I have access through 
>/mnt/removable to all my previous (3.2) backup files.
I have created, in /mnt/removable, a new folder.
When running the Qubes backup, and choosing the newly created folder, I have 
this error:

Selected directory do not exists or not a directory

I have created others folders, I have change permissions ... Same problem.
Today all my folders are:

- drwxrwxr-x 3 user:user AppVM_bck

Same pb if root:root

??

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: POWER9

2018-02-26 Thread David Hobach




On 02/26/2018 04:29 PM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:

On Sun, February 25, 2018 11:33 pm, taii...@gmx.com wrote:



Yeah unfortunately Xen doesn't support POWER and they have rebuffed
advances from IBM and Raptor offering assistance to support it.


Is there a link somewhere to this? I've been searching but not finding it.
I don't see why Xen wouldn't want to increase their user base.


Found 
https://discussions.citrix.com/topic/358571-installation-of-citrix-xenserver-on-ibm-power-server/


Also http://hcl.xenserver.org doesn't mention any POWER server.
Most people seem to use x86 so the POWER arch is unfortunately not that 
well supported.


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Re: AW: Re: [qubes-users] Installing Chrome

On Mon, February 26, 2018 4:48 pm, '[799]' via qubes-users wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I haven't fully understand what the first post was about, but if it is
> about how to install chrome... Don't look further, it's all covered:
>
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/multimedia/
>
>
> The last point covers the complete installation, including setting up the
> directories and downloading & verifying the public signing keys.

Thanks @praschdorff and reviewers for putting that document together!


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AW: Re: [qubes-users] Installing Chrome

2018-02-26 Thread '[799]' via qubes-users

Hello,

I haven't fully understand what the first post was about, but if it is about 
how to install chrome... Don't look further, it's all covered:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/multimedia/

The last point covers the complete installation, including setting up the 
directories and downloading & verifying the public signing keys.

[799]

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[qubes-users] Re: POWER9

On Sun, February 25, 2018 11:33 pm, taii...@gmx.com wrote:

> Yeah unfortunately Xen doesn't support POWER and they have rebuffed
> advances from IBM and Raptor offering assistance to support it.

Is there a link somewhere to this? I've been searching but not finding it.
I don't see why Xen wouldn't want to increase their user base.

Getting Xen running on power would be the most direct route to getting
Qubes running on it. The other option would be KVM, but that's going to be
Hard because Qubes depends on features that don't exist yet in KVM.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can't install Qubes, Rebooting after loading initrd.img

On Mon, February 26, 2018 2:47 pm, patelma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Uman, I saw that you help or sometimes have some time and are willing to
> help folks with issues setting up Qubes (4.0) on their machines. As it
> happens I have a purism 13. I've downloaded the latest Qubes and have put
> it on a stick and tried multiple times to get the Qubes installation to
> run but nothing on the purism seems able to read or run Qubes
> automatically.

Hope you don't mind me butting in, Unman.

patelmax27, you might need to upgrade your BIOS first- see
https://puri.sm/posts/qubes4-fully-working-on-librem-laptops.

Next, have you seen https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/installation-guide/ ?

First of all, make sure to back up ALL DATA on your system. Installing
another OS will by default erase everything on your hard drive.

You then need to write the installer to your USB drive following the
procedure in that document, then boot your laptop from the USB drive and
follow the prompts.

(Personally, I prefer a corebooted Lenovo G505s over other laptops from an
owner rights perspective.)

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can't install Qubes, Rebooting after loading initrd.img

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 1:27:43 PM UTC, Unman wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 05:19:53AM -0800, Daniil .Travnikov wrote:
> > пятница, 23 февраля 2018 г., 15:30:16 UTC+3 пользователь Unman написал:
> > 
> > Thanks for your help!
> > 
> > > Use qvm-block -a to attach the usb disk to a qube.
> > > Open a terminal in that qube.
> > > The disk should have appeared as /dev/xvdi, with partitions as xvdi1
> > > xvdi2 etc. If your EFI partition is the first on the disk:
> > > Just use 'sudo mount /dev/xvdi1 /mnt' to mount the EFI partition. 
> > > Then you can edit the files under /mnt
> > 
> > Is it possible to edit this files only in another qubes? Can I do this in 
> > Dom0?
> > 
> Of course, if your disk is attached to dom0 rather than to a sys-usb
> then you can edit directly in dom0. (I just assumed it wouldnt be.)

Uman, I saw that you help or sometimes have some time and are willing to help 
folks with issues setting up Qubes (4.0) on their machines. As it happens I 
have a purism 13. I've downloaded the latest Qubes and have put it on a stick 
and tried multiple times to get the Qubes installation to run but nothing on 
the purism seems able to read or run Qubes automatically. 

I have put the Qubes in the documents folder and when I try to run anything in 
the boot folder of the Qubes the error messages that is returned is that the 
file cannot be located. Maybe I should put it in program files or something, 
but the problem is the OS is not windows so there is no such folder I can find. 
I'd use the terminal but if even one single command doesn't do the trick I am 
totally at a loss as to what to do, I really know nothing about how to run 
terminal. 

I have looked around on Qubes and Purism and neither seems to have any 
dedicated area for installing Qubes. There is someone on Purism's forum who 
explained how to mount the appropriate Qubes files but that was all through the 
terminal and was for Qubes 3 last year. 

I've also tried installing from the stick itself and that also doesn't work. 
The options I have are pretty simple it would seem. I can click on the Qubes 
icon in the stick and open it with task manager, which shows me the contents. 
If I follow that route, it's just guess and check but nothing works. I can go 
to the boot folder and try getting one of the application files to run, but 
none of them work. If I don't use file manager but try to run the application 
(Qubes the file or any of its internal files) the laptop can't locate it. If I 
try to mount any of said files, they merely show as open in the upper part of 
the screen but nothing happens. 

Clearly you can see that I have no idea what I am doing, so if you do have the 
time, please be patient with me if I don't speak and know any computer 
languages. I'm just starting out really. 

Thank you
Max

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Re: [qubes-users] Intel SGX and Spectre

On Sun, February 25, 2018 9:57 pm, taii...@gmx.com wrote:
> SGX is a DRM anti-feature mechanism that prevents people from inspecting
> what runs on their own computer and it enables malware that is immune to
> antivirus programs because it runs in an ME enclave.
>
> https://software.intel.com/en-us/sgx/details
>
>
> "Hardening DRM for enhanced high definition, 4K ultra high definition
> (UHD) content protection"

That's the part I found amusing. They sold their closed-source,
proprietary code running on ME as a "secure" enclave, but there was
conjecture on this very list two years ago that it was not and it was
proven with the Spectre exploit.


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Re: [qubes-users] win/linux

On Mon, February 26, 2018 3:37 am, Mr SpOn wrote:
> hi guys, i successfully installed/run windows on a standalone vm but im
> having problems booting oracle linux. The installation had no problems
> but when its time to reboot it doesnt start from the hd. i can reboot
> from the cdrom again but not from hd.
>
> what im missing here??

You created a new HVM and installed oracle linux to it? Not familiar with
that distribution but sounds like it didn't write grub. Boot from the
oracle linux CD again and look for a rescue mode, and search their docs on
how to manually install grub to the virtual hard drive.


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Re: [qubes-users] firewall/proxy VM not working with Qubes 4.0-rc4

On Mon, February 26, 2018 3:48 am, thorsten.schie...@gmail.com wrote:
> I installed Qubes 4.0-rc4 and have a problem with my internet connection.
>  sys-net itself has a working internet connection but sys-firewall does
> not. No need to mention that every other VM that uses sys-firewall as
> netVM does also have no working internet connection.
>
> If I switch the default netVM from sys-firewall to sys-net (for testing),
> dom0 can use it to update etc. Also any other VM gets internet connection
> with sys-net as Networking VM.
>
> An update of dom0 from testing-repository did not fix the problem.
> Also switching the sys-firewall template from fedora-26 to debian-9 does
> not help.
>
> I found a similar problem here:
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2141
>
>
> So I checked the network interfaces and they are like this:
>
>
> sys-net:
> lo enp0s0 vif2.0
>
> sys-firewall:
> eth0 lo
>
> Not sure, but I guess the vif interface is missing in sys-firewall?
> How do I fix this problem?

Did the installer run into problems when it was doing the first template
deployment? Did you run it a second time by mistake, possibly?

Try to delete (or rename) your existing sys-firewall, then create a new
AppVM named sys-firewall with the "provides network" box checked.

Then, double-check that your test AppVM is pointing to your new
sys-firewall with qvm-prefs (look for netvm setting), and start it up and
test.


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 without IOMMU/VT-d/AMD-Vi or Interrupt Remapping

2018-02-26 Thread Zbigniew Łukasiak

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:53 AM, Utility Panel
 wrote:
...
> So, I've decided to build with the KGPE-D16. Thus far, I've got the 
> motherboard and two 6386SE CPUs with air coolers. I buy the other components 
> when the pricing is favorable.
>
> Later, when I've got the machine built, I'll figure out how to flash the 
> BIOS. I know it isn't difficult, and I think I've got some good instructions 
> bookmarked. I just haven't done that before, so it will be a learning 
> experience.
>
> Like you, I am a tad concerned about how old the KGPE-D16 is, but it and the 
> 6386SE are both a bit spiffier than the kit in my Z800s, and I was planning 
> on riding them into obsolescence. So, my "new" build should have a bit more 
> life in it than the Z800s, it will support Qubes 4.0, and I will gain the 
> privacy and security benefits from using coreboot.

Apparently there are some problems with the 63xx series Opterons and
coreboot: https://www.coreboot.org/Board:asus/kgpe-d16#CPUs_recommended_by_users

I was also thinking about using a PCIe drive - but it looks like that
would not work on KGPE-D16 (or maybe require another adapter +
complications).

Z.


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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS Stable Release 3.2. (Cant up-date template to fedora-26 or fedora-27)

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 11:23:57 AM UTC+1, The Hermit wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I've installed Qubes OS and I'm having trouble installing the fedora-26 and 
> fedora-27 template. I've tried minimal and the full 1.5 G I believe. The 
> template is downloading but I'm getting an error when it attempts to install. 
> the temple. 
> 
> "Failed to synchronize cache for repo 'qubes-dom0-cached' -disabling
> 
> I've installed the 3.2 Release stable from qubes-OS web-site.
> 
> Any one able too help.
> 
> 
> Thanks.

btw you can also try restart sys-net and sys-firewall. I've recently had 
similar yet slightly different cache issues in regard to GPG checks. Restarting 
sys-net/sys-firewall always fixed it for me. 

I suggest you try that first since it's a quick confirmation if it works or not.

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS Stable Release 3.2. (Cant up-date template to fedora-26 or fedora-27)

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 11:23:57 AM UTC+1, The Hermit wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I've installed Qubes OS and I'm having trouble installing the fedora-26 and 
> fedora-27 template. I've tried minimal and the full 1.5 G I believe. The 
> template is downloading but I'm getting an error when it attempts to install. 
> the temple. 
> 
> "Failed to synchronize cache for repo 'qubes-dom0-cached' -disabling
> 
> I've installed the 3.2 Release stable from qubes-OS web-site.
> 
> Any one able too help.
> 
> 
> Thanks.

To my understanding, it could be server issues, DNS issues, cache issues, or 
wrong repository issues. I'm no expert though, but it's the gist I get of the 
issue.

What did you type in the dom0 terminal? Something like this?

sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-template-fedora-26 
sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-tempalte-fedora-26-minimal

I don't think the fedora-27 is officially ready on Qubes yet? But I have not 
checked recently either.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 4.0 without IOMMU/VT-d/AMD-Vi or Interrupt Remapping

2018-02-26 Thread Utility Panel

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:47:07 AM UTC-5, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Utility Panel
>  wrote:
> 
> > Meanwhile, the machines I'm currently replacing are both server 
> > workstations with 96 gigs of EEC RAM. I'm looking to upgrade to something 
> > comparable, and I'm pretty certain at this point that I'll start building 
> > with either the KCMA-D8 or KGPE-D16. I've got one year after the release of 
> > 4.0 to make the transition, so I've got time to collect all the bits before 
> > 3.2 reaches end-of-life.
> >
> 
> Did you consider Dell workstations? I am also looking for some
> high-end workstation and I was considering HP Z8 - thanks for the
> warning!
> So maybe Dell T7820? The plus is that you can request them with Linux
> - so at least some of the compatibility problems go away.
> 
> I am not so eager to build something - as you can get into the same
> compatibility issues with any part be it mother board, video etc. -
> and then the issue just gets more complex (and also the recommended
> KGPE-D16 looks old).
> 
> 
> -- 
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> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/

I did consider Dell server workstations, but I was buying used on that big 
auction site, and the Z800s were available at my price point. At the time, I 
thought I was saving myself the trouble of tracking down all the minute details 
pertaining to compatibility, but no such luck. 

Now, it actually seems easier to find data sheets on individual components 
(motherboards, CPUs, GPUs, and the like) than on the total builds offered by 
Dell, HP, Lenovo, and the like. The problem with the large assemblers is that 
their supply chains vary enough from run to run that the fine details about 
individual components are often not readily available, at least not on the used 
market. Sellers typically don't know how (or don't want) to give me the 
identifying information on their machines before purchasing, so all I could do 
is cross my fingers and roll the dice, which I'd rather avoid as much as 
possible from now on. But all of this may only apply to the used market. I 
can't speak to buying new, as I've only done it once or twice, decades ago.

Meanwhile, my interest in hardware has been rekindled, now that I better 
understand some of the privacy and security implications, and I've been 
inspired by the open-source hardware community to learn more by doing.

So, I've decided to build with the KGPE-D16. Thus far, I've got the motherboard 
and two 6386SE CPUs with air coolers. I buy the other components when the 
pricing is favorable.

Later, when I've got the machine built, I'll figure out how to flash the BIOS. 
I know it isn't difficult, and I think I've got some good instructions 
bookmarked. I just haven't done that before, so it will be a learning 
experience.

Like you, I am a tad concerned about how old the KGPE-D16 is, but it and the 
6386SE are both a bit spiffier than the kit in my Z800s, and I was planning on 
riding them into obsolescence. So, my "new" build should have a bit more life 
in it than the Z800s, it will support Qubes 4.0, and I will gain the privacy 
and security benefits from using coreboot.

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing Chrome