date:20091215

Although the RBW site says Power Grips do not work with Grip King
pedals, they do.  I use that setup on three different bikes and they
work well.  I don't understand why Riv makes this disclaimer.

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[RBW] Re: Road Test: New Tektro CR720s on the Quickbeam;Swobo tights

2009-12-15 Thread Dave Craig

I'll weigh in with the opposite opinion on Rainlegs . . .

I bought them because I hate wearing rain pants, but I also dislike
walking into a restaurant on a rainy day  bicycle tour and leaving a
puddle on the floor. So, I tried the Rainlegs on the Oregon coast and
found that within two days, the waterproofing at the crotch had
delaminated where it rubbed the saddle. I'm sure that bicycle tourists
always look a little weird to the locals, but a bicycle tourist who
looks like he's pee'd his pants probably makes folks downright
uncomfortable.

I'm back to high quality rain pants. The durability of the Rainlegs
didn't impress me.

Dave

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 I just l-o-v-e my Rainlegs!
 No more sweaty legs, no more wet legs from the rain. A classic win-
 win.
 And this, from a guy who commutes by bike year-round in Portland, OR.

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Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

Steve -- I should have added that Power Grips DO MOUNT to GripKing pedals.  
Despite what some other posters are saying, mine were mounted quite well with 
just minor alterations. For instance, you must remove the reflectors from each 
pedal, and use a plastic spacer on the strap end side.  I might have some pix 
of the set up. If I find any, I'll post them. 

The other thing I'd like t point out about the Power Grips is that to remove 
your foot -- let's say the right foot -- you need to push the heel out then 
pull the foot back to free the shoe from the strap.  That is the exact same 
movement you do to release from a cleated pedal. There's really no difference.

Ray

--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 6:47 AM

Steve:
  I suffered from cold feet when I was clipped in to either spd or look style 
pedals. I also did not like having my feet locked in just one location on the 
pedals. Thanks to a suggestion from another list member, I tried Power Grip 
straps on MKS touring pedals. They work well. The straps allow me to pull up on 
the pedals and bring hip flexors to bear which is good for climbing in my case. 
The grip kings are no difficulty at all to get out of if you bog down going 
uphill or though sloshy stuff and need to get your feet down fast. RBW sells 
them and you also find them elsewhere. You enter them on a slant, and when your 
feet straighten, they are quite secure.   I've been pedaling the past 6 months 
with nothing at all, which is how Grant
 recommends, but just this weekend put the power grips back on. They just work 
for me. They also work with many other pedals, but not Grip Kings.  Grip Kings 
are great pedals so far. They are on my touring bike and I did a 3 day self 
supported tour with them, and with no straps, clips, etc. Their extra length 
provides excellent support for your entire foot. Contrary to the name, they are 
NOT the kings of grip. MKS calls them Lambdas.  They are fine for temperature 
regulation of your feet in cold weather, which was your original question. That 
is, if you wear the right socks and footwear. 
Tailwinds
From: Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 8:26:17 AM
Subject: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

I would like to get some feedback from the group regarding Grip King  
pedals and their ability to eliminate numb feet on long rides.

I started using clipless pedals about a year ago after my rides  
started increasing in length, and numbness in my feet became a  
problem.  I had been using MKS touring pedals, and really can't use  
those on rides over 30 miles or so.  The switch was extremely  
successful in keeping my feet from going numb, and I like riding with  
the clipless, in general.  However, I have found that I get a little  
uncomfortable being clipped in when going up steep hills.  It's
 always  
in the back of my mind that if I need to bail out because I can't  
pedal anymore, it's gonna be difficult because I'm clipped in.   
Granted, this hasn't happened yet, but why have the anxiety if I don't  
have to?

This is where the Grip Kings come in.  I am hopeful that the increased  
surface area of the pedal will spread the weight out over the bottom  
of my foot enough to keep the numbness at bay.  Does anyone have any  
thoughts on this?  Has anyone had numb feet problems and had them  
relieved by using the Grip Kings?

Like I said, I like the clipless pedals, but am willing to give up  
some of the things I like about them in order to gain a little piece  
of mind.

Thanks,
Steve









  

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[RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet

2009-12-15 Thread Patrick in VT

On Dec 15, 11:35 am, Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com wrote:

 I should have been more clear on the cause of the numbness.  It's not
 cold, but circulation(?) and pressure on the bottom of my foot is
 causing it.

were you using any retention with the MKS touring pedals?  and what
kind of shoes were you using?

with the move to clipless, you made a switch to a pedal with *less*
surface area and most likely a shoe with a stiffer sole.

you might consider whether your shoes are the issue before buying new
pedals.


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[RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet

2009-12-15 Thread Dave Craig

Steve

I was clear on what you were describing. The numbness is usually
directly a cause of pressure that impinges nerve branches in your
foot. The cure for most cyclists is a combination of strategies that
reduces that pressure. Some cyclists are more susceptible than others.
Wearing shoes with a thick sole or a rigid, nylon shank helps (e.g.,
cycling shoes), as does reducing pressure by loosening toe straps. In
your case, it sounds like you were using MKS touring pedals without
clips and you felt numbness. Is that correct? If so, were you using
soft, non-cycling shoes? That would be a reasonable cause. I am prone
to foot numbness, and I can ride MKS touring pedals WITH cycling
shoes, but not without. The other strategy that helps deal with
numbness is moving cleats on clipless shoes back a few mm's - but,
you're not having numbness problems with your clipless set-up.

The Grip King pedals have a long platform and that will disperse the
pressure over a wider area, thus relieving the cause of the numbness
with a wider range of shoe choices.

Dave

On Dec 15, 9:35 am, Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com wrote:
 Thanks for the replies.

 I should have been more clear on the cause of the numbness.  It's not  
 cold, but circulation(?) and pressure on the bottom of my foot is  
 causing it.

 I do like the idea of using Power Grips on the Grip Kings, but also  
 read that doesn't work.  Richard - where to the ends of the straps  
 connect to the pedals?  Any pix?  The main thing I didn't want to give  
 up by using the Grip Kings is the ability to pull up on the pedal  
 stroke.  If the GKs can provide relief from numbness, and can use the  
 Power Grips, while supplying a stable surface, maybe that is the best  
 of both worlds.  It's not too much to ask, right?

 Steve

 On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:16 AM, R Gonet wrote:



  Although the RBW site says Power Grips do not work with Grip King
  pedals, they do.  I use that setup on three different bikes and they
  work well.  I don't understand why Riv makes this disclaimer.

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Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

Steve - These are the shoes I wore on my last tour.  They were very comfy on 
the Grip Kings.

http://www.fiveten.com/

--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

From: Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:51 AM

Steve -- I should have added that Power Grips DO MOUNT to GripKing pedals.  
Despite what some other posters are saying, mine were mounted quite well with 
just minor alterations. For instance, you must remove the reflectors from each 
pedal, and use a plastic spacer on the strap end side.  I might have some pix 
of the set up. If I find any, I'll post them. 

The other thing I'd like t point out about the Power Grips is that to remove 
your foot -- let's say the right foot -- you need to push the heel out then 
pull the foot back to free the shoe from the strap.  That is the exact same 
movement you do to release from a cleated pedal. There's really no difference.

Ray

--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 6:47 AM

Steve:
  I suffered from cold feet when I was clipped in to either spd or look style 
pedals. I also did not like having my feet locked in just one location on the 
pedals. Thanks to a suggestion from another list member, I tried Power Grip 
straps on MKS touring pedals. They work well. The straps allow me to pull up on 
the pedals and bring hip flexors to bear which is good for climbing in my case. 
The grip kings are no difficulty at all to get out of if you bog down going 
uphill or though sloshy stuff and need to get your feet down fast. RBW sells 
them
 and you also find them elsewhere. You enter them on a slant, and when your 
feet straighten, they are quite secure.   I've been pedaling the past 6 months 
with nothing at all, which is how Grant
 recommends, but just this weekend put the power grips back on. They just work 
for me. They also work with many other pedals, but not Grip Kings.  Grip Kings 
are great pedals so far. They are on my touring bike and I did a 3 day self 
supported tour with them, and with no straps, clips, etc. Their extra length 
provides excellent support for your entire foot. Contrary to the name, they are 
NOT the kings of grip. MKS calls them Lambdas.  They are fine for temperature 
regulation of your feet in cold weather, which was your original question. That 
is, if you wear the right socks and footwear. 
Tailwinds
From: Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 8:26:17 AM
Subject: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

I would like to get some feedback from the group regarding Grip King  
pedals and their ability to eliminate numb feet on long rides.

I started using clipless pedals about a year ago after my rides  
started increasing in length, and numbness in my feet became a  
problem.  I had been using MKS touring pedals, and really can't use  
those on rides over 30 miles or so.  The switch was extremely  
successful in keeping my feet from going numb, and I like riding with  
the clipless, in general.  However, I have found that I get a little  
uncomfortable being clipped in when going up steep hills.  It's
 always  
in the back of my mind that if I need to bail out because I can't  
pedal anymore, it's gonna be difficult because I'm clipped in.   
Granted, this hasn't happened yet, but why have the anxiety if I don't  
have to?

This is where the Grip Kings come in.  I am hopeful that the increased  
surface area of the pedal will spread the weight out over the bottom  
of my foot enough to keep the numbness at bay.  Does anyone have any  
thoughts on this?  Has anyone had numb feet problems and had them  
relieved by using the Grip Kings?

Like I said, I like the clipless pedals, but am willing to give up  
some of the things I like about them in order to gain a little piece  
of mind.

Thanks,
Steve

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Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

2009-12-15 Thread Bruce

Ray:

 The note in my post re:Grip Kings and Power Grips assumed no modifications 
made. For touring, I leave the reflectors in, along with the hi-vis triangle 
and the trouser reflector bands. Being seen is a good thing out on the back 
roads.
  I disagree with your note on foot removing from the straps. It is easier to 
get out straps than cleats. Or perhaps you had your straps tighter than I wear 
mine. As another poster pointed out, added strap benefits are the usability of 
any street shoe and the freedom to slide your foot around on the pedal. You can 
push with the ball of your foot, the arch over the spindle as Dave mentioned, 
or with your heels closer to center which is great for going up hills.

Tailwinds...




From: Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 10:51:31 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet


Steve -- I should have added that Power Grips DO MOUNT to GripKing pedals.  
Despite what some other posters are saying, mine were mounted quite well with 
just minor alterations. For instance, you must remove the reflectors from each 
pedal, and use a plastic spacer on the strap end side.  I might have some pix 
of the set up. If I find any, I'll post them. 

The other thing I'd like t point out about the Power Grips is that to remove 
your foot -- let's say the right foot -- you need to push the heel out then 
pull the foot back to free the shoe from the strap.  That is the exact same 
movement you do to release from a cleated pedal. There's really no difference.

Ray

--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com


...  I've been pedaling the past 6 months with nothing at all, which is how 
Grant
 recommends, but just this weekend put the power grips back on. They just work 
 for me. They also work with many other pedals, but not Grip Kings
   


  

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Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

I see that the link didn't work. The model of the shoe I wore is the Freerider.

--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

From: Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 9:06 AM

Steve - These are the shoes I wore on my last tour.  They were very comfy on 
the Grip Kings.

http://www.fiveten.com/

--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

From: Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:51 AM

Steve -- I should have added that Power Grips DO
 MOUNT to GripKing pedals.  Despite what some other posters are saying, mine 
were mounted quite well with just minor alterations. For instance, you must 
remove the reflectors from each pedal, and use a plastic spacer on the strap 
end side.  I might have some pix of the set up. If I find any, I'll post them. 

The other thing I'd like t point out about the Power Grips is that to remove 
your foot -- let's say the right foot -- you need to push the heel out then 
pull the foot back to free the shoe from the strap.  That is the exact same 
movement you do to release from a cleated pedal. There's really no difference.

Ray

--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet
To:
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 6:47 AM

Steve:
  I suffered from cold feet when I was clipped in to either spd or look style 
pedals. I also did not like having my feet locked in just one location on the 
pedals. Thanks to a suggestion from another list member, I tried Power Grip 
straps on MKS touring pedals. They work well. The straps allow me to pull up on 
the pedals and bring hip flexors to bear which is good for climbing in my case. 
The grip kings are no difficulty at all to get out of if you bog down going 
uphill or though sloshy stuff and need to get your feet down fast. RBW sells 
them
 and you also find them elsewhere. You enter them on a slant, and when your 
feet straighten, they are quite secure.   I've been pedaling the past 6 months 
with nothing at all, which is how Grant
 recommends, but just this weekend put the power grips back on. They just work 
for me. They also work with many other pedals, but not Grip Kings.  Grip Kings 
are great pedals so far. They are on my touring bike and I did a 3 day self 
supported tour with them, and with no straps, clips, etc. Their extra length 
provides excellent support for your entire foot. Contrary to the name, they are 
NOT the kings of grip. MKS calls them Lambdas.  They are fine for temperature 
regulation of your feet in cold weather, which was your original question. That 
is, if you wear the right socks and footwear. 
Tailwinds
From: Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 8:26:17 AM
Subject: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

I would like to get some feedback from the group regarding Grip King  
pedals and their ability to eliminate numb feet on long rides.

I started using clipless pedals about a year ago after my rides  
started increasing in length, and numbness in my feet became a  
problem.  I had been using MKS touring pedals, and really can't use  
those on rides over 30 miles or so.  The switch was extremely  
successful in keeping my feet from going numb, and I like riding with  
the clipless, in general.  However, I have found that I get a little  
uncomfortable being clipped in when going up steep hills.  It's
 always  
in the back of my mind that if I need to bail out because I can't  
pedal anymore, it's gonna be difficult because I'm clipped in.   
Granted, this hasn't happened yet, but why have the anxiety if I don't  
have to?

This is where the Grip Kings come in.  I am hopeful that the increased  
surface area of the pedal will spread the weight out over the bottom  
of my foot enough to keep the numbness at bay.  Does anyone have any  
thoughts on this?  Has anyone had numb feet problems and had them  
relieved by using the Grip Kings?

Like I said, I like the clipless pedals, but am willing to give up  
some of the things I like about them in order to gain a little piece  
of mind.

Thanks,
Steve

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[RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet

2009-12-15 Thread doug peterson

Steve:

My current pedal of choice is the Grip King as it has a large surface
area and good shoe traction, even when wet.  I used Looks for many
years, then SPDs.  SPDs caused hot foot syndrome from too much
pressure on long rides, especially multi-day tours.  As I toured more,
I needed more versatile shoes and went back to MKS platform touring
pedals, sans toe clips.  I have wide feet and the lack of retention
and being able to wear any shoes was a delight.  I've used MKS BMX
pedals (sold by Riv), some other BMX pedals with a rough surface, and
now Grip Kings.  Once I got away from SPDs, the hot foot problem and
tenderness disappeared.  The off-roading I do is mainly fire trails
and similar non-techncial stuff.

dougP

On Dec 15, 6:26 am, Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com wrote:
 I would like to get some feedback from the group regarding Grip King  
 pedals and their ability to eliminate numb feet on long rides.

 I started using clipless pedals about a year ago after my rides  
 started increasing in length, and numbness in my feet became a  
 problem.  I had been using MKS touring pedals, and really can't use  
 those on rides over 30 miles or so.  The switch was extremely  
 successful in keeping my feet from going numb, and I like riding with  
 the clipless, in general.  However, I have found that I get a little  
 uncomfortable being clipped in when going up steep hills.  It's always  
 in the back of my mind that if I need to bail out because I can't  
 pedal anymore, it's gonna be difficult because I'm clipped in.  
 Granted, this hasn't happened yet, but why have the anxiety if I don't  
 have to?

 This is where the Grip Kings come in.  I am hopeful that the increased  
 surface area of the pedal will spread the weight out over the bottom  
 of my foot enough to keep the numbness at bay.  Does anyone have any  
 thoughts on this?  Has anyone had numb feet problems and had them  
 relieved by using the Grip Kings?

 Like I said, I like the clipless pedals, but am willing to give up  
 some of the things I like about them in order to gain a little piece  
 of mind.

 Thanks,
 Steve

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[RBW] Re: anyone notice the subtle change to RBW website

2009-12-15 Thread doug peterson

And when you want to return the photo to the thumbnail, you enlittlen
it.

dougP

On Dec 15, 6:29 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 9:59 PM, manueljohnacosta wrote:

  I like the click to embiggen. Didn't even know that embiggen was a
  word. If it isn't it is now. I shall use it in my classroom!

 Not only is embiggen[1] a word, it's downright cromulent.[2]

 [1], [2] The Simpson's references.  The City of Springfield's motto  
 is A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

 http://fact-archive.com/encyclopedia/Made-up_words_in_The_Simpsons

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Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

All true. I rode GKs on my road bike for a long time. There's nothing wrong 
with them, and they are certainly cheaper than new pedals.  I prefer the 
reversible Shimano pedals, now.  same ease of use, with any shoe, and added 
benefit of the cleats.  With my release settings so low, I snap out with very 
little effort. On my commuter bike, I use standard rat trap pedals, no straps.  
I have moderate climbs to and from the office, and have often thought about 
mounting Power grips to those pedals, but haven't.  I gave my Grip Kings to my 
son.  He uses them sans straps and loves them.  I'm not likely to return to use 
of GKs. I'm quite satisfied with the current set ups.

RS

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From: Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 9:14 AM

Ray:
 The note in my post re:Grip Kings and Power Grips assumed no modifications 
made. For touring, I leave the reflectors in, along with the hi-vis triangle 
and the trouser reflector bands. Being seen is a good thing out on the back 
roads.  I disagree with your note on foot removing from the straps. It is 
easier to get out straps than cleats. Or perhaps you had your straps tighter 
than I wear mine. As another poster pointed out, added strap benefits are 
the usability of any street shoe and the freedom to slide your foot around on 
the pedal. You can push with the ball of your foot, the arch over the spindle 
as Dave mentioned, or with your heels closer to center which is great for going 
up
 hills.
Tailwinds...
From: Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 10:51:31 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

Steve -- I should have added that Power Grips DO MOUNT to GripKing pedals.  
Despite what some other posters are saying, mine were mounted quite well with 
just minor alterations. For instance, you must remove the reflectors from each
 pedal, and use a plastic spacer on the strap end side.  I might have some pix 
of the set up. If I find any, I'll post them. 

The other thing I'd like t point out about the Power Grips is that to remove 
your foot -- let's say the right foot -- you need to push the heel out then 
pull the foot back to free the shoe from the strap.  That is the exact same 
movement you do to release from a cleated pedal. There's really no difference.

Ray

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From: Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com

...  I've been pedaling the past 6 months with nothing at all, which is how 
Grant
 recommends, but just this weekend put the power grips back on. They just work 
for me. They also work with many other pedals, but not Grip Kings  








  

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[RBW] Question for members on converting Tekro/Silver brakes for nutted mounting

2009-12-15 Thread Jim Cloud

Has anyone in this group had experience converting the Rivendell
Silver brake to a nutted mounting?  I've found one reference on a
Google search for the 650B internet list group that indicated it was
possible to swap out the center pivot bolt from a cheap Tektro 800
brake to modify the Tektro R556/Rivendell Silver for nutted mounting.

By the way, I'm aware that Velo-Orange is presently selling the Tektro
R538/R556 brakes in nutted mount versions, I'd like, however to modify
a set of the Rivendell Silver brakes.  This is intended for a
conversion of my Schwinn Paramount P15 from a 27 wheel size to 700c.

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

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[RBW] Re: ST Glove review - Rivendell winter gloves

2009-12-15 Thread jim_OLP

I don't think I've ever had gloves or mittens where the thumb wasn't
too short. They all seem to be made for the species that came right
before us.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet

2009-12-15 Thread Frederick, Steve

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Patrick in VT
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:57 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet

On Dec 15, 11:35 am, Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com wrote:

 I should have been more clear on the cause of the numbness...

Patrick responded: 

...you might consider whether your shoes are the issue...

Cleat position can contribute to foot numbness, too.  Try moving them back a 
little.  Shoe's not too tight is it?  

Not trying to convince you to stay with them if you don't want to, but if you 
otherwise like the clipless pedals, there are solutions for foot numbness.

steve frederick, east lansing, mi

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[RBW] Re: Question for members on converting Tekro/Silver brakes for nutted mounting

2009-12-15 Thread Phil Brown



On Dec 15, 9:41 am, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:
 Has anyone in this group had experience converting the Rivendell
 Silver brake to a nutted mounting?  I've found one reference on a
 Google search for the 650B internet list group that indicated it was
 possible to swap out the center pivot bolt from a cheap Tektro 800
 brake to modify the Tektro R556/Rivendell Silver for nutted mounting.

 By the way, I'm aware that Velo-Orange is presently selling the Tektro
 R538/R556 brakes in nutted mount versions, I'd like, however to modify
 a set of the Rivendell Silver brakes.  This is intended for a
 conversion of my Schwinn Paramount P15 from a 27 wheel size to 700c.

 Jim Cloud
 Tucson, AZ

Put the front on the rear and put the rear on the front with the nut-
Allen-inside the steerer and accessed through the hole in the rear of
the crown.
Phil Brown

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[RBW] insurance for bikes.

2009-12-15 Thread Seth Vidal

Does anyone know of an insurance company that offers insurance for
bikes stolen when you're out in the world? Theoretically my
homeowner's policy would cover it but I really don't want to test that
and not know. So I'm curious - can anyone think of a company that
explicitly offers bike-theft insurance?

thanks,
-sv

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[RBW] Re: If you haven't done so already, check out our new and improved web catalog

2009-12-15 Thread Chris Miller

Now easily works with Amazon's Universal Wish List button.  Cool.

chris.

On Dec 14, 11:35 am, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's got some cool new features, and we like it a lot.

 Cheers,

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 RBW HQ

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Re: [RBW] insurance for bikes.

2009-12-15 Thread Z

Good question.  Would be helpful info.

From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 12:11:52 PM
Subject: [RBW] insurance for bikes.

Does anyone know of an insurance company that offers insurance for
bikes stolen when you're out in the world? Theoretically my
homeowner's policy would cover it but I really don't want to test that
and not know. So I'm curious - can anyone think of a company that
explicitly offers bike-theft insurance?

thanks,
-sv

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Re: [RBW] calendars?

2009-12-15 Thread CycloFiend

on 12/14/09 11:01 PM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, time is getting kinda tight. Did I miss an email about a current
 classics calendar for 2010?

No.

Here's the plan at this point -

Assuming I can get enough pre-orders (which I _don't_ think will be an
issue), the 2010 calendar will run from February to January 2011. The
turnaround looks to be a mid-January ship date to you.

Email was going to go out tomorrow (work/class crunch right now).

- Jim

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That's why I don't even own a bike light or one of those godawful reflective
suits.  Because if you've put yourself in a position where someone has to
see you in order for you to be safe...you've already blown it.
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[RBW] Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-15 Thread Esteban

I was reading over on the Rene Herse site that they like the Berthoud
stainless fenders with Hetres because they open wider than the
Honjos.

Anyone have any experience?

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Re: [RBW] Question for members on converting Tekro/Silver brakes for nutted mounting

2009-12-15 Thread rswat...@me.com


On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Jim Cloud wrote:

 Has anyone in this group had experience converting the Rivendell
 Silver brake to a nutted mounting?  I've found one reference on a
 Google search for the 650B internet list group that indicated it was
 possible to swap out the center pivot bolt from a cheap Tektro 800
 brake to modify the Tektro R556/Rivendell Silver for nutted mounting.

I've modified a Tektro R556 that way, using R800A bolts. Silver's are  
the same brake with a different logo.
I might have even been the one who first posted that over on the 650B  
list.
It's a little tedious, but nothing major. The bolts have two different  
sized threaded bits on them as well as a little set screw. It takes a  
little fiddling to find the sweet spot where they pivot freely, but  
don't have too much play.

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] insurance for bikes.

2009-12-15 Thread CycloFiend

on 12/15/09 10:11 AM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does anyone know of an insurance company that offers insurance for
 bikes stolen when you're out in the world? Theoretically my
 homeowner's policy would cover it but I really don't want to test that
 and not know. So I'm curious - can anyone think of a company that
 explicitly offers bike-theft insurance?

Renter's/homeowner's should cover it.  There may be limits on the policy
payouts, and pay attention to an specific-item exclusions or limits. But, if
you have documented replacement values, it's hard for them to argue
otherwise. 

A call to your agent (if you have one) or to the company might help.  I'd
verbally give them a general list of items (computers, jewelry, hi-fi,
electronics, oh, and bicycles, a couple of musical instruments...) to
confirm nothing is excluded or needs a specific additional coverage rider.

- Jim

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Re: [RBW] insurance for bikes.

2009-12-15 Thread Seth Vidal

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 on 12/15/09 10:11 AM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does anyone know of an insurance company that offers insurance for
 bikes stolen when you're out in the world? Theoretically my
 homeowner's policy would cover it but I really don't want to test that
 and not know. So I'm curious - can anyone think of a company that
 explicitly offers bike-theft insurance?

 Renter's/homeowner's should cover it.  There may be limits on the policy
 payouts, and pay attention to an specific-item exclusions or limits. But, if
 you have documented replacement values, it's hard for them to argue
 otherwise.

 A call to your agent (if you have one) or to the company might help.  I'd
 verbally give them a general list of items (computers, jewelry, hi-fi,
 electronics, oh, and bicycles, a couple of musical instruments...) to
 confirm nothing is excluded or needs a specific additional coverage rider.


I specifically asked:

I go to a coffee shop. I ride my bike there. I lock my bike up
outside. It gets nicked. What happens?

He said - $500 deductible and the rest is covered for replacement value.

thanks for the suggestion,
-sv

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 27.0 seatpost

2009-12-15 Thread Beardpapa

Thanks all. Can always count on this group.

On Dec 15, 1:00 am, Beardpapa gts...@gmail.com wrote:
 anyone have a 27.0 seatpost (silver) you're looking to get rid of?

 thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-15 Thread rswat...@me.com


On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Esteban wrote:

 I was reading over on the Rene Herse site that they like the Berthoud
 stainless fenders with Hetres because they open wider than the
 Honjos.

 Anyone have any experience?

Not on a Rivendell, but:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556...@n06/1908661660/

Note that there is a 60mm Berthoud as well. And the 58mm Honjos from BQ.

My first choice for the Hetre is the Velo-Orange Zeppelin 52mm. Nicely  
made, good looking, cheap enough, and the fit is perfect. I'm told the  
58mm Honjos are even perfecter, but I'm completely happy with the  
Zeppelins.

Cheers,
Ryan

PS: Esteban, let me know about that fork.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-15 Thread rcnute

I tried with a Bleriot and Saluki (50mm Berthouds).  Front fits fine.
Rear does not (brake bridge won't allow enough clearance).

I second the Zeppelins.

Ryan II

On Dec 15, 11:11 am, rswat...@me.com rswat...@me.com wrote:
 On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Esteban wrote:

  I was reading over on the Rene Herse site that they like the Berthoud
  stainless fenders with Hetres because they open wider than the
  Honjos.

  Anyone have any experience?

 Not on a Rivendell, but:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556...@n06/1908661660/

 Note that there is a 60mm Berthoud as well. And the 58mm Honjos from BQ.

 My first choice for the Hetre is the Velo-Orange Zeppelin 52mm. Nicely  
 made, good looking, cheap enough, and the fit is perfect. I'm told the  
 58mm Honjos are even perfecter, but I'm completely happy with the  
 Zeppelins.

 Cheers,
 Ryan

 PS: Esteban, let me know about that fork.

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Re: [RBW] insurance for bikes.

2009-12-15 Thread Clayton Scott

What about in the case of a crash (assuming it is my fault). Is there any
insurance that would cover that?

Thanks,
Clayton Scott
SF CA

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net
wrote:
on 12/15/09 10:11 AM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

Does anyone know of an insurance company that offers insurance for
bikes stolen when you're out in the world? Theoretically my
homeowner's policy would cover it but I really don't want to test that
and not know. So I'm curious - can anyone think of a company that
explicitly offers bike-theft insurance?

Renter's/homeowner's should cover it. There may be limits on the policy
payouts, and pay attention to an specific-item exclusions or limits. But,
if
you have documented replacement values, it's hard for them to argue
otherwise.

A call to your agent (if you have one) or to the company might help. I'd
verbally give them a general list of items (computers, jewelry, hi-fi,
electronics, oh, and bicycles, a couple of musical instruments...) to
confirm nothing is excluded or needs a specific additional coverage
rider.

I specifically asked:

I go to a coffee shop. I ride my bike there. I lock my bike up
outside. It gets nicked. What happens?

He said - $500 deductible and the rest is covered for replacement value.

thanks for the suggestion,
-sv

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Re: [RBW] insurance for bikes.

2009-12-15 Thread Jon Grant

In my only actual bike/car collision, I was clearly at fault. I injured
myself and damaged my bike frame, and the car I hit sustained a dented
fender and hood, and a crushed windshield. My homeowners policy covered it
all, though I don¹t remember whether or not I paid a deductible, or how much
it might have been.

YM definitely MV.

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From: Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com
Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:37:10 -0800
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] insurance for bikes.

What about in the case of a crash (assuming it is my fault). Is there any
insurance that would cover that?

Thanks,
Clayton Scott
SF CA

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
  on 12/15/09 10:11 AM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Does anyone know of an insurance company that offers insurance for
  bikes stolen when you're out in the world? Theoretically my
  homeowner's policy would cover it but I really don't want to test that
  and not know. So I'm curious - can anyone think of a company that
  explicitly offers bike-theft insurance?
 
  Renter's/homeowner's should cover it.  There may be limits on the policy
  payouts, and pay attention to an specific-item exclusions or limits. But,
 if
  you have documented replacement values, it's hard for them to argue
  otherwise.
 
  A call to your agent (if you have one) or to the company might help.  I'd
  verbally give them a general list of items (computers, jewelry, hi-fi,
  electronics, oh, and bicycles, a couple of musical instruments...) to
  confirm nothing is excluded or needs a specific additional coverage rider.
 
 
 I specifically asked:
 
 I go to a coffee shop. I ride my bike there. I lock my bike up
 outside. It gets nicked. What happens?
 
 He said - $500 deductible and the rest is covered for replacement value.
 
 thanks for the suggestion,
 -sv
 
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[RBW] Re: insurance for bikes.

2009-12-15 Thread Ken Yokanovich

I'm a sceptic.  There's a difference between what your agent tells you
and what the insurance adjuster eventually says.  Basically, your
agent is the sales guy... (s)he is going to tell you whatever you
really want to hear.

In the case of my accident, my Quickbeam was destroyed.  I'd rebuilt
my bicycle with dynamo, different wheels, Phil rear hub and bottom
bracket, Nitto front / rear racks, Brooks saddle, lights, pedals,
Brooks bar wrap, etc.  The adjuster offered $400 for the replacement
value of the bicycle. It took over 40 weeks to come to a more
realistic figure of what the bicycle was worth. It was one of the
more miserable experiences I've had to go through.

How does one put a value on a bicycle that one cannot go out and buy?
Given the nature of the Rivendell products, how would I place a value
on my Atlantis?  How about a custom?  How does one go about being
reimbursed for a multi-year wait?  How about parts that you cannot go
out and buy?

If you've ever tried to justify your bicycle expenditures to someone
INTERESTED in your bicycle, just wait until you have to try to justify
it to someone holding the checkbook who's job it is to close the claim
for the least amount possible.

Clearly, there could be a better solution similar to specialty auto
insurance that people might use for collector cars.


On Dec 15, 1:59 pm, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote:
 In my only actual bike/car collision, I was clearly at fault. I injured
 myself and damaged my bike frame, and the car I hit sustained a dented
 fender and hood, and a crushed windshield. My homeowners policy covered it
 all, though I don¹t remember whether or not I paid a deductible, or how much
 it might have been.

 YM definitely MV.

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 Illustration + Information Graphics
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 jgr...@papagrant.com
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 From: Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:37:10 -0800
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] insurance for bikes.

 What about in the case of a crash (assuming it is my fault). Is there any
 insurance that would cover that?

 Thanks,
 Clayton Scott
 SF CA



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  On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net 
  wrote:
   on 12/15/09 10:11 AM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

   Does anyone know of an insurance company that offers insurance for
   bikes stolen when you're out in the world? Theoretically my
   homeowner's policy would cover it but I really don't want to test that
   and not know. So I'm curious - can anyone think of a company that
   explicitly offers bike-theft insurance?

   Renter's/homeowner's should cover it.  There may be limits on the policy
   payouts, and pay attention to an specific-item exclusions or limits. But,
  if
   you have documented replacement values, it's hard for them to argue
   otherwise.

   A call to your agent (if you have one) or to the company might help.  I'd
   verbally give them a general list of items (computers, jewelry, hi-fi,
   electronics, oh, and bicycles, a couple of musical instruments...) to
   confirm nothing is excluded or needs a specific additional coverage 
   rider.

  I specifically asked:

  I go to a coffee shop. I ride my bike there. I lock my bike up
  outside. It gets nicked. What happens?

  He said - $500 deductible and the rest is covered for replacement value.

  thanks for the suggestion,
  -sv

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[RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet

2009-12-15 Thread Patrick in VT

On Dec 15, 12:59 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
wrote:

 Cleat position can contribute to foot numbness, too.  Try moving them back a 
 little.  Shoe's not too tight is it?

 Not trying to convince you to stay with them if you don't want to, but if you 
 otherwise like the clipless pedals, there are solutions for foot numbness.

the way i'm reading the OP's problem is this:

he likes clipless pedals - it remedied the foot numbness experienced
with flat pedals, but he isn't totally comfortable with unclipping,
especially when climbing.

he's now asking whether a flat pedal - Grip Kings - will solve the
numbness he experienced with the MKS touring pedal.

to me, this sounds more like a shoe issue (soft sole v. stiff sole)
than pedal issue.

an easy way to test this would be to do as Dave suggested above:  take
a ride on the touring pedal with the clipless cycling shoes (and
perhaps some power grips/other retention device as the OP would like
to retain power through the entire pedal stroke).




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[RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet

2009-12-15 Thread Mike

Last summer I put in some miles on my Hilsen with Grip Kings. They
were very comfortable. The longest ride I did was 60+ miles (each way)
on an extended S24O. They worked well and I do love the simplicity of
wearing sneakers while out on the bike. Still, to call the pedals Grip
Kings is a bit of a misnomer. While the pedals are comfy I don't know
that I'd use them off road or in situations where I'd be worried about
slipping off the pedal. Prior to putting the Grip Kings on my Hilsen
they had been on my commuter and worked fine for that. I ended up
going with clipless pedals for my tour and was fine with that, no
problems at all. I ended up putting my MKS touring pedals back on the
commuter and realize that those work better for my feet, just a little
more comfortable and grippy.

Next summer I'll definitely be doing more S24Os and I'll definitely be
pedaling free.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] insurance for bikes.

Your homeowner's or rental policy will cover it as with any other property,
but it won't cover it for damages caused by an accident, AFAIK.

You do have to pay the deductible.

OTOH, who is to say what the original price was? I don't recommend lying and
cheating, but I do recommend using full list. After all, the insurance
companies are not Benevolent Societies and one has every right to get one's
money's worth from them.

Patrick ex-personal lines (and small business PC AND Life and Health)
agent who has gleefully let all his licenses lapse and who says,
take this job and shove it' Moore

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Z xodus48...@yahoo.com wrote:
Good question. Would be helpful info.

I just called me insurer again and he said:

1. use of it outside of the home provided that the device is NOT
motorized is covered under your homeowners insurance policy.

2. replacement value is covered

3. under NC law to get replacement value the bike must be replaced,
you cannot take the money and walk away. (for the record the idea of
not replacing a bike when it gets stolen makes me sad)

4. Normal deductible limits apply for stolen goods. In my case a $500
deductible.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 11:35 -0800, rcnute wrote:
 I tried with a Bleriot and Saluki (50mm Berthouds).  Front fits fine.
 Rear does not (brake bridge won't allow enough clearance).

Perhaps the size of the frame matters.  On my 60cm Saluki, Hetres fit
fine.  I'm using 57mm Honjos with them.  I had stainless 50mm Berthouds,
but I thought the clearance with those fenders was insufficient -- and
besides, I had another P/R coming, and I wanted to use the Berthouds on
that bike.  I had to modify the Honjos to get them to fit between the
chainstays.  Photos here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157617915097787/show/




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Re: [RBW] Re: insurance for bikes.

A good agent isn't merely a salesman. How do I know? I was a good agent and
knew many of them who also were good ones. Besides, no agent wants to face a
due diligence lawsuit or complaint to the Insurance Commission.

Your home or renter's insurance will not cover accidents. If you have an
accident and the other party is at fault, then (1) if he has insurance, his
property liability will cover it. If (2) he does not have it, or has too
little, your own auto Uninsured/Underinsured coverage will cover it.

If you know how to talk to an adjuster, you will get your money's worth --
at least, if the company is a reputable one: Hartford, Progessive, Travelers
and the other prime companies I now gleefully forget. Your bottom feeder
companies are often amenable to a letter saying, in effect: I think $
is fair. I have given good reasons why it is fair. if you want to jerk me
around, I will hire a lawyer. If I hire a lawyer, then you can pay $
PLUS my lawyer's fees. Have a nice day. Sincerely yours, etc.

On the two occasions I've had to claim for bicycle losses -- one a theft,
the second an accident -- I got full and prompt settlement -- heck, even
made a bit on the deals.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ken Yokanovich 
reflector.collec...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm a sceptic.  There's a difference between what your agent tells you
 and what the insurance adjuster eventually says.  Basically, your
 agent is the sales guy... (s)he is going to tell you whatever you
 really want to hear.

 In the case of my accident, my Quickbeam was destroyed.  I'd rebuilt
 my bicycle with dynamo, different wheels, Phil rear hub and bottom
 bracket, Nitto front / rear racks, Brooks saddle, lights, pedals,
 Brooks bar wrap, etc.  The adjuster offered $400 for the replacement
 value of the bicycle. It took over 40 weeks to come to a more
 realistic figure of what the bicycle was worth. It was one of the
 more miserable experiences I've had to go through.

 How does one put a value on a bicycle that one cannot go out and buy?
 Given the nature of the Rivendell products, how would I place a value
 on my Atlantis?  How about a custom?  How does one go about being
 reimbursed for a multi-year wait?  How about parts that you cannot go
 out and buy?

 If you've ever tried to justify your bicycle expenditures to someone
 INTERESTED in your bicycle, just wait until you have to try to justify
 it to someone holding the checkbook who's job it is to close the claim
 for the least amount possible.

 Clearly, there could be a better solution similar to specialty auto
 insurance that people might use for collector cars.


 On Dec 15, 1:59 pm, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote:
  In my only actual bike/car collision, I was clearly at fault. I injured
  myself and damaged my bike frame, and the car I hit sustained a dented
  fender and hood, and a crushed windshield. My homeowners policy covered
 it
  all, though I don¹t remember whether or not I paid a deductible, or how
 much
  it might have been.
 
  YM definitely MV.
 
  --
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  Illustration + Information Graphics
  Austin, Texas
  jgr...@papagrant.com
  512-284-9599
 
  Drawings ‹ all sorts
 
  From: Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com
  Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:37:10 -0800
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [RBW] insurance for bikes.
 
  What about in the case of a crash (assuming it is my fault). Is there any
  insurance that would cover that?
 
  Thanks,
  Clayton Scott
  SF CA
 
 
 
  On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net
 wrote:
on 12/15/09 10:11 AM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Does anyone know of an insurance company that offers insurance for
bikes stolen when you're out in the world? Theoretically my
homeowner's policy would cover it but I really don't want to test
 that
and not know. So I'm curious - can anyone think of a company that
explicitly offers bike-theft insurance?
 
Renter's/homeowner's should cover it.  There may be limits on the
 policy
payouts, and pay attention to an specific-item exclusions or limits.
 But,
   if
you have documented replacement values, it's hard for them to argue
otherwise.
 
A call to your agent (if you have one) or to the company might help.
  I'd
verbally give them a general list of items (computers, jewelry,
 hi-fi,
electronics, oh, and bicycles, a couple of musical instruments...)
 to
confirm nothing is excluded or needs a specific additional coverage
 rider.
 
   I specifically asked:
 
   I go to a coffee shop. I ride my bike there. I lock my bike up
   outside. It gets nicked. What happens?
 
   He said - $500 deductible and the rest is covered for replacement
 value.
 
   thanks for the suggestion,
   -sv
 
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Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

2009-12-15 Thread Dan Abelson

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.comwrote:

 I would like to get some feedback from the group regarding Grip King
 pedals and their ability to eliminate numb feet on long rides.

 I started using clipless pedals about a year ago after my rides
 started increasing in length, and numbness in my feet became a
 problem.  I had been using MKS touring pedals, and really can't use
 those on rides over 30 miles or so.  The switch was extremely
 successful in keeping my feet from going numb, and I like riding with
 the clipless, in general.  However, I have found that I get a little
 uncomfortable being clipped in when going up steep hills.  It's always
 in the back of my mind that if I need to bail out because I can't
 pedal anymore, it's gonna be difficult because I'm clipped in.
 Granted, this hasn't happened yet, but why have the anxiety if I don't
 have to?

 This is where the Grip Kings come in.  I am hopeful that the increased
 surface area of the pedal will spread the weight out over the bottom
 of my foot enough to keep the numbness at bay.  Does anyone have any
 thoughts on this?  Has anyone had numb feet problems and had them
 relieved by using the Grip Kings?

 Like I said, I like the clipless pedals, but am willing to give up
 some of the things I like about them in order to gain a little piece
 of mind.

 Thanks,
 Steve


 --


I really like the Grip Kings.  I had problems with numbness with clipless
pedals mainly due to the fact that I have wide feet and it was difficult to
find cycling shoes that fit well.  With the Grip Kings I can wear pretty
much any shoe.  I also like the large platform.  The longest ride I have
done with Grip Kings is 75 miles and I had no problems with my feet.

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN

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Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 09:26 -0500, Steve Wimberg wrote:

  However, I have found that I get a little  
 uncomfortable being clipped in when going up steep hills.  It's always  
 in the back of my mind that if I need to bail out because I can't  
 pedal anymore, it's gonna be difficult because I'm clipped in.   
 Granted, this hasn't happened yet, but why have the anxiety if I don't  
 have to?

I suggest you practice some emergency bailouts with your clipless
pedals.  It's a useful skill, and it's a lot cheaper than buying new
pedals.



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[RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet

Steve:  I attached the PG's according to the directions.  I don't
think I can write a description, but if you still want, I will take a
pic and send it to you off-list.  As another list member noted, you do
have to pop off the reflectors from the pedal, but when I ride at
night I have blinkies, reflective tape, spoke reflectors, and one of
Grant's reflexite triangles on my back.  The reflectors are nice, but
you do need more.


 I do like the idea of using Power Grips on the Grip Kings, but also  
 read that doesn't work.  Richard - where to the ends of the straps  
 connect to the pedals?  Any pix?  

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[RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet

Ray:  You are correct, you do have to remove the reflectors to use
Power Grips with the Grip Kings.  I didn't need to make any other
alterations, though.  I'm curious about your use of plastic spacers on
the strap end side, since I needed no such modifications.  The
important point to make is that they *DO mount* to the Grip Kings with
little effort.  I'd also like to point out that I used to use the
Power Grips for mountain biking, where you often have to get off the
pedal ASAP with little warning, and I never once got hung up on them.
When you're not thinking about it, it just happens.

On Dec 15, 11:51 am, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Steve -- I should have added that Power Grips DO MOUNT to GripKing pedals.  
 Despite what some other posters are saying, mine were mounted quite well with 
 just minor alterations. For instance, you must remove the reflectors from 
 each pedal, and use a plastic spacer on the strap end side.  I might have 
 some pix of the set up. If I find any, I'll post them.

 The other thing I'd like t point out about the Power Grips is that to remove 
 your foot -- let's say the right foot -- you need to push the heel out then 
 pull the foot back to free the shoe from the strap.  That is the exact same 
 movement you do to release from a cleated pedal. There's really no difference.



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[RBW] Re: insurance for bikes.

Patrick:  Are you sure your auto underinsured coverage covers you
while on a bicycle?  I hope you're correct, but I haven't seen that in
my policy.

On Dec 15, 3:50 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:


 Your home or renter's insurance will not cover accidents. If you have an
 accident and the other party is at fault, then (1) if he has insurance, his
 property liability will cover it. If (2) he does not have it, or has too
 little, your own auto Uninsured/Underinsured coverage will cover it.

 If you know how to talk to an adjuster, you will get your money's worth --
 at least, if the company is a reputable one: Hartford, Progessive, Travelers
 and the other prime companies I now gleefully forget. Your bottom feeder
 companies are often amenable to a letter saying, in effect: I think $
 is fair. I have given good reasons why it is fair. if you want to jerk me
 around, I will hire a lawyer. If I hire a lawyer, then you can pay $
 PLUS my lawyer's fees. Have a nice day. Sincerely yours, etc.

 On the two occasions I've had to claim for bicycle losses -- one a theft,
 the second an accident -- I got full and prompt settlement -- heck, even
 made a bit on the deals.

 On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ken Yokanovich 




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[RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-15 Thread Esteban

I have 50mm fluted Honjos on the bike now, and the fender line is
perfect with CdlVs:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4156647923/

The Protovelo is a custom from Mark Nobilette, built to resemble the
geometry of a Saluki, but its different in small ways (lugs) and maybe
larger ways (the seat stay bridge looks rather low to me).

Of course, this bike is a great candidate for the Pari-Moto, which I
have on order.  But wouldn't it be fun to run some fatter Hetres in
there!?

I have them, and Im going to see if they fit - if not they'll go on
another bike.  Maybe I'll have to buy another bike to fit them :)

Here's where they say 50mm Berthouds are preferable on the Herse site:
http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-144/Berthoud-650b-x-50mm/Detail

But, of course, their bikes are built for the Hetre.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Dec 15, 12:50 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 11:35 -0800, rcnute wrote:
  I tried with a Bleriot and Saluki (50mm Berthouds).  Front fits fine.
  Rear does not (brake bridge won't allow enough clearance).

 Perhaps the size of the frame matters.  On my 60cm Saluki, Hetres fit
 fine.  I'm using 57mm Honjos with them.  I had stainless 50mm Berthouds,
 but I thought the clearance with those fenders was insufficient -- and
 besides, I had another P/R coming, and I wanted to use the Berthouds on
 that bike.  I had to modify the Honjos to get them to fit between the
 chainstays.  Photos 
 here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157617915097787/show/

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Re: [RBW] Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-15 Thread Gino Zahnd

I don't have experience with the Berthouds, but Hetre + Honjo works
just fine on the Saluki.  I had 45mm Honjos on the Saluki, but
recently upped them to the 50mm.

-gino

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was reading over on the Rene Herse site that they like the Berthoud
 stainless fenders with Hetres because they open wider than the
 Honjos.

 Anyone have any experience?

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Re: [RBW] Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-15 Thread nathan spindel

You guys are lucky the Rivs have such generous clearance. Last weekend  
I had to shelve the Hetres on a 650B conversion ('84 58cm Sequoia) in  
order to add fenders. The VO Zeppelins didn't fit (too wide for the  
fork), but 45mm Honjos + Col de la Vies did. Fortunately it's still  
pretty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/4183280562/

But I do miss those ultra cushy 42s! :)

-nathan

On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't have experience with the Berthouds, but Hetre + Honjo works
 just fine on the Saluki.  I had 45mm Honjos on the Saluki, but
 recently upped them to the 50mm.

 -gino

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 I was reading over on the Rene Herse site that they like the Berthoud
 stainless fenders with Hetres because they open wider than the
 Honjos.

 Anyone have any experience?

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Re: [RBW] Re: insurance for bikes.

UIM is meant to cover damages to you that the other party's liability
insurance ought to have covered if he had it, or if he had enough of it. If
someone hits you and is at fault (in the insurance sense, not a legal
sense), then his insurance is contractually obligated to reimburse you. If
he doesn't have it or doesn't have enough, your own UIM coverage takes its
place.

I am sure because (1) I sold the stuff and (2) I received a UIM payout,
temporarily, when I got hit in 2006 and the poleece report said that the
hitter had no insurance. (His momma had insurance, but my UIM kicked in
until my company figured that out.)

Your UIM will cover you in any situation, riding, walking, sitting, lying,
levitating, for which you might have a right to be compensated by someone
else's liability coverage, were he driving his insured vehicle and, at fault
in the insurance sense, did you damages that can be represented in some way
in terms of money.

At fault in the insurance sense doesn't mean he broke some law, it just
means that he and not you or some third party caused the damage to you and
yours.

So yes, I am sure.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:37 PM, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.netwrote:

Patrick: Are you sure your auto underinsured coverage covers you
while on a bicycle? I hope you're correct, but I haven't seen that in
my policy.

On Dec 15, 3:50 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

Your home or renter's insurance will not cover accidents. If you have an
accident and the other party is at fault, then (1) if he has insurance,
his
property liability will cover it. If (2) he does not have it, or has too
little, your own auto Uninsured/Underinsured coverage will cover it.

If you know how to talk to an adjuster, you will get your money's worth
--
at least, if the company is a reputable one: Hartford, Progessive,
Travelers
and the other prime companies I now gleefully forget. Your bottom feeder
companies are often amenable to a letter saying, in effect: I think
$
is fair. I have given good reasons why it is fair. if you want to jerk me
around, I will hire a lawyer. If I hire a lawyer, then you can pay $
PLUS my lawyer's fees. Have a nice day. Sincerely yours, etc.

On the two occasions I've had to claim for bicycle losses -- one a theft,
the second an accident -- I got full and prompt settlement -- heck, even
made a bit on the deals.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ken Yokanovich

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[RBW] Re: insurance for bikes.

2009-12-15 Thread Mark

Ken, you need to quit being cynical about Agents.Patrick is
correct, there are good ones and bad ones. If you have any doubts
about your agent or the carrier, its not too smart to have your HOME
much less your bicycle insured with them. Its not hard to find
reputable agents and good insurance carriers. As mentioned they dont
want to be sued under thier E and O coverage.
So if this is how you feel about your agent, you need to go shopping
today for a good agent and carrier.
Also take pictures of your Riv or whatever you ride. Keep a copy of
the bill of sale from RIV, and the adjuster shouldnt give you grief.

Sincerley, Surf

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[RBW] Re: calendars?

2009-12-15 Thread Mark



Will the bicycles be nude?

I couldnt resist. :))

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Re: [RBW] Re: insurance for bikes.

I will add that the most prosperous agents are those who give excellent
service, including accurate and complete information about coverage and
premium options as well as claims and billing assistance. The most
profitable business is the long term business with clients who want coverage
and not just low price, and if you give good service such clients will come
to you and stay with you. We had a policy of discouraging those who wanted
to buy just on premium -- real money losers, in fact - just as we focused on
selling coverage and not premium.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Mark mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote:

Ken, you need to quit being cynical about Agents.Patrick is
correct, there are good ones and bad ones. If you have any doubts
about your agent or the carrier, its not too smart to have your HOME
much less your bicycle insured with them. Its not hard to find
reputable agents and good insurance carriers. As mentioned they dont
want to be sued under thier E and O coverage.
So if this is how you feel about your agent, you need to go shopping
today for a good agent and carrier.
Also take pictures of your Riv or whatever you ride. Keep a copy of
the bill of sale from RIV, and the adjuster shouldnt give you grief.

Sincerley, Surf

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[RBW] Re: Question for members on converting Tekro/Silver brakes for nutted mounting

2009-12-15 Thread Jim Cloud

Thanks for your suggestion Phil.  I'd seen this on some blog as a
possible solution.  I'm not really certain that this method, however,
it as safe an approach as I'd like.  It seems to me that the brake
would not have as much rigidity as would be needed under hard braking.

Jim

On Dec 15, 11:05 am, Phil Brown philcyc...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Dec 15, 9:41 am, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:

  Has anyone in this group had experience converting the Rivendell
  Silver brake to a nutted mounting?  I've found one reference on a
  Google search for the 650B internet list group that indicated it was
  possible to swap out the center pivot bolt from a cheap Tektro 800
  brake to modify the Tektro R556/Rivendell Silver for nutted mounting.

  By the way, I'm aware that Velo-Orange is presently selling the Tektro
  R538/R556 brakes in nutted mount versions, I'd like, however to modify
  a set of the Rivendell Silver brakes.  This is intended for a
  conversion of my Schwinn Paramount P15 from a 27 wheel size to 700c.

  Jim Cloud
  Tucson, AZ

 Put the front on the rear and put the rear on the front with the nut-
 Allen-inside the steerer and accessed through the hole in the rear of
 the crown.
 Phil Brown

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[RBW] Re: Question for members on converting Tekro/Silver brakes for nutted mounting

2009-12-15 Thread Jim Cloud

I'm glad to find someone who has actually used the approach of
replacing the center pivot bolt.  I'd like to know how difficult it
was to install the pivot bolt on the Tektro R556, did it require a
considerable amount of effort to dismantle the brake assemby?  Or is
this a rather easy Sunday afternoon project?  Did you experience any
particular difficulties in the procedure?

Thanks,
Jim
On Dec 15, 12:01 pm, rswat...@me.com rswat...@me.com wrote:
 On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Jim Cloud wrote:

  Has anyone in this group had experience converting the Rivendell
  Silver brake to a nutted mounting?  I've found one reference on a
  Google search for the 650B internet list group that indicated it was
  possible to swap out the center pivot bolt from a cheap Tektro 800
  brake to modify the Tektro R556/Rivendell Silver for nutted mounting.

 I've modified a Tektro R556 that way, using R800A bolts. Silver's are  
 the same brake with a different logo.
 I might have even been the one who first posted that over on the 650B  
 list.
 It's a little tedious, but nothing major. The bolts have two different  
 sized threaded bits on them as well as a little set screw. It takes a  
 little fiddling to find the sweet spot where they pivot freely, but  
 don't have too much play.

 Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question for members on converting Tekro/Silver brakes for nutted mounting

2009-12-15 Thread Joe Bunik

I've used this front/rear-switcharoo technique before, but also had a
similar concern about the rigidity. The trick I used was:

- clamp one of the recessed bolts in vice
- drill-out the allen-head end
- hold it in place from below the crown using a needle nose plier
- spin the rear-brake down onto this now coupler-bolt
- use a M5 (or whatever it is) allen to tighten things up, as one
would a traditional nutted front brake

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 12/15/09, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:
 Thanks for your suggestion Phil.  I'd seen this on some blog as a
 possible solution.  I'm not really certain that this method, however,
 it as safe an approach as I'd like.  It seems to me that the brake
 would not have as much rigidity as would be needed under hard braking.

 Jim

 On Dec 15, 11:05 am, Phil Brown philcyc...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Dec 15, 9:41 am, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:

  Has anyone in this group had experience converting the Rivendell
  Silver brake to a nutted mounting?  I've found one reference on a
  Google search for the 650B internet list group that indicated it was
  possible to swap out the center pivot bolt from a cheap Tektro 800
  brake to modify the Tektro R556/Rivendell Silver for nutted mounting.

  By the way, I'm aware that Velo-Orange is presently selling the Tektro
  R538/R556 brakes in nutted mount versions, I'd like, however to modify
  a set of the Rivendell Silver brakes.  This is intended for a
  conversion of my Schwinn Paramount P15 from a 27 wheel size to 700c.

  Jim Cloud
  Tucson, AZ

 Put the front on the rear and put the rear on the front with the nut-
 Allen-inside the steerer and accessed through the hole in the rear of
 the crown.
 Phil Brown

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[RBW] Re: ST Glove review - Rivendell winter gloves

2009-12-15 Thread George Millwood

The only time I had a pair of gloves that fit was back in the days
after the pill and before herpes.  I had a pair of gloves made by an
Austrian woman who had a small room in a building full of clothing sub-
contractors and bright young things creating a label on daddy's money
or a loan from the boyfriend.  She made me a pair of motorcycle gloves
which were really a pair of winter riding gloves as worn by the Heavy
Cavalry in Austria.  They really did fit like a glove as she explained
to me, between reminiscinces about life in Vienna when she wore the
Emperor's badge, the human body is not symmetrical and your hands are
different sizes to each other let alone anyone else's hands.  When it
comes to off the shelf gloves, the best you can hope for is a rough
approximation.  Personally, I shop for gloves from german suppliers
which fit on the thumb and first two fingers but the other two
especially the little finger are too long.

regards

George Millwood
Sydney, Australia

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 I don't think I've ever had gloves or mittens where the thumb wasn't
 too short. They all seem to be made for the species that came right
 before us.

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Re: [RBW] parts for sale: Xtracycle, nitto, etc.

2009-12-15 Thread David Faller

Is your Nitto stem in really nice shape?  I think I'd like it, unless it's got 
some deep uglies.  Let me know.  I'd be replacing my very clean 9 cm Nitto 
technomic deluxe.

Oh, and payment method?

Thanks!

dfal...@charter.net
Redding Dave
  - Original Message - 
  From: colin p. cummings 
  To: RBW Owners Bunch 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:23 PM
  Subject: [RBW] parts for sale: Xtracycle, nitto, etc.


  Must clear stuff out...

  Xtracycle Free Radical: $140 plus shipping (no accessories included,
  pics/info available)

  Nitto tech stem 8cm extension: $35 shipped

  Nitto Noodle 44cm:  $40 shipped

  Shimano bar ends (friction/index): $40 shipped

  Please contact me off list.

  Cheers,

  Colin Cummings
  Amarillo, TX

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Re: [RBW] parts for sale: Xtracycle, nitto, etc.

2009-12-15 Thread David Faller

Sorry for the off-list blunder...

Dave
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Faller 
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 6:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [RBW] parts for sale: Xtracycle, nitto, etc.

  Is your Nitto stem in really nice shape?  I think I'd like it, unless it's 
got some deep uglies.  Let me know.  I'd be replacing my very clean 9 cm Nitto 
technomic deluxe.

  Oh, and payment method?

  Thanks!

  dfal...@charter.net
  Redding Dave
- Original Message - 
From: colin p. cummings 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:23 PM
Subject: [RBW] parts for sale: Xtracycle, nitto, etc.

Must clear stuff out...

Xtracycle Free Radical: $140 plus shipping (no accessories included,
pics/info available)

Nitto tech stem 8cm extension: $35 shipped

Nitto Noodle 44cm:  $40 shipped

Shimano bar ends (friction/index): $40 shipped

Please contact me off list.

Cheers,

Colin Cummings
Amarillo, TX

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Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

2009-12-15 Thread cyclotourist

Local Redlands company!

Not much of a outlet/seconds presence, so don't make the trip just for that.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Steve - These are the shoes I wore on my last tour. They were very comfy
on the Grip Kings.

http://www.fiveten.com/

--- On *Tue, 12/15/09, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net* wrote:

From: Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net

Subject: Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:51 AM

Steve -- I should have added that Power Grips DO MOUNT to GripKing pedals.
Despite what some other posters are saying, mine were mounted quite well
with just minor alterations. For instance, you must remove the reflectors
from each pedal, and use a plastic spacer on the strap end side. I might
have some pix of the set up. If I find any, I'll post them.

The other thing I'd like t point out about the Power Grips is that to
remove your foot -- let's say the right foot -- you need to push the heel
out then pull the foot back to free the shoe from the strap. That is the
exact same movement you do to release from a cleated pedal. There's really
no difference.

Ray

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From: Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 6:47 AM

Steve:

I suffered from cold feet when I was clipped in to either spd or look
style pedals. I also did not like having my feet locked in just one location
on the pedals. Thanks to a suggestion from another list member, I tried
Power Grip straps on MKS touring pedals. They work well. The straps allow me
to pull up on the pedals and bring hip flexors to bear which is good for
climbing in my case. The grip kings are no difficulty at all to get out of
if you bog down going uphill or though sloshy stuff and need to get your
feet down fast. RBW sells them and you also find them elsewhere. You enter
them on a slant, and when your feet straighten, they are quite secure.
I've been pedaling the past 6 months with nothing at all, which is how
Grant recommends, but just this weekend put the power grips back on. They
just work for me. They also work with many other pedals, but not Grip Kings.
Grip Kings are great pedals so far. They are on my touring bike and I did
a 3 day self supported tour with them, and with no straps, clips, etc. Their
extra length provides excellent support for your entire foot. Contrary to
the name, they are NOT the kings of grip. MKS calls them Lambdas. They
are fine for temperature regulation of your feet in cold weather, which was
your original question. That is, if you wear the right socks and footwear.

Tailwinds

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*Subject:* [RBW] Grip Kings and Numb Feet

I would like to get some feedback from the group regarding Grip King
pedals and their ability to eliminate numb feet on long rides.

I started using clipless pedals about a year ago after my rides
started increasing in length, and numbness in my feet became a
problem. I had been using MKS touring pedals, and really can't use
those on rides over 30 miles or so. The switch was extremely
successful in keeping my feet from going numb, and I like riding with
the clipless, in general. However, I have found that I get a little
uncomfortable being clipped in when going up steep hills. It's always
in the back of my mind that if I need to bail out because I can't
pedal anymore, it's gonna be difficult because I'm clipped in.
Granted, this hasn't happened yet, but why have the anxiety if I don't
have to?

This is where the Grip Kings come in. I am hopeful that the increased
surface area of the pedal will spread the weight out over the bottom
of my foot enough to keep the numbness at bay. Does anyone have any
thoughts on this? Has anyone had numb feet problems and had them
relieved by using the Grip Kings?

Like I said, I like the clipless pedals, but am willing to give up
some of the things I like about them in order to gain a little piece
of mind.

Thanks,
Steve

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[RBW] Re: insurance for bikes.

2009-12-15 Thread Corwin

I have a colleague at work who has a rider on his homeowner's policy
which specifically insures his bikes (he has three high end bikes)
against theft. This colleague has had several bikes stolen and always
gets satisfaction from his insurance carrier (unusual in my
experience). His carrier is State Farm.

The last time he was separated from one of his bikes, he replaced it
with a particularly nice bike built to his specifications including a
Rohloff hub. The bike that was stolen was an older full suspension
Gary Fisher (probably cost $2 - 3K new). This colleague lives in San
Francisco. I do not believe the latest bike was stolen from his
residence - otherwise they probably would have taken one of his other
steeds - the Gary Fisher is not his nicest.

As I recall, the rider to his policy cost something on the order of
$100 - $200 per year extra. I think the rider must provide for
replacement cost. I'm sure he had to pay his deductible - but that is
probably minimal.

My experience with claims adjusters is much closer to Ken's. After a
fire destroyed our house, we had a long fight with the adjusters about
what they would pay. It eventually came down to what you replaced. If
you did not replace something - they might agree on the price you
claimed (all my data was checked against receipts and/or the web) -
but they would counter that by depreciating the item so much that the
original value was insignificant (sometimes we only got 10 cents on
the dollar). If you replaced something, you usually got reimbursed for
the full replacement price up to the policy limit.

I don't think Ken is being cynical. Ken was clearly harassed by a
claims adjuster who mistook holding the line on claims fraud (not that
Ken's claim was in any way fraudulent - just that insurance companies
tend to see fraud or the potential for fraud in many places) as good
customer service.

Please excuse the long rant.


Corwin

On Dec 15, 10:11 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does anyone know of an insurance company that offers insurance for
 bikes stolen when you're out in the world? Theoretically my
 homeowner's policy would cover it but I really don't want to test that
 and not know. So I'm curious - can anyone think of a company that
 explicitly offers bike-theft insurance?

 thanks,
 -sv

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne for a triathlon and a visit to RBWHQ (My first Riv!)

2009-12-15 Thread Lynne Fitz

I participate in one sprint triathlon a year (the Canby Telephone
Gator Grinder).  Way fun.  I am on a steel bike (my Lemond Zurich, not
my Riv), but there is also an MTB category, and I've seen everything
out there.  I think part of it is that many of the participants do not
take this too seriously.

Ride what you want.  Have fun.

Lynne F

On Dec 14, 10:36 am, Jason jasonshaef...@gmail.com wrote:
 Awesome to hear, I'm just starting to see how much variability there
 is. Asking the tri folks so far there hasn't been a single person who
 was riding or suggesting steel. Hopefully someday I'll be in the happy/
 fast/steel ridin' category. Right now I'm 2 out of 3.

 On Dec 14, 9:35 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
 wrote:



  We had a guy come in to the shop a couple years ago to buy some canvas/
  leather bags for his all-carbon bike. Seems strange, but you can't
  exactly clamp any luggage capacity on carbon seatstays, seatpost, or
  handlebar.

  Anyway, he told me about his intention to do at least one brevet
  series leading up to and including PBP 2007. While we were chatting, I
  suggested a test ride on a Rambouillet, which was probably about 8-ish
  lbs heavier than his carbon bike. He liked the ride quality on a short
  test ride, but left without buying the bike. He called a week later to
  tell me he wanted to buy it, but, unfortunately, that bike had been
  sold, and the only one I had left seemed too big. He said he wasn't
  sensitive to bike-fit and decided to buy the bigger bike despite my
  apprehensions. I lowered the saddle as low as it would go, and sent
  him on his way. A few weeks later, he told me he loved the bike and
  was, in fact, noticeably faster on some of his regular training loops
  than he was on the same loops with his lighter bike. I watched the
  brevet results come in all season, and noted that this guy was
  consistently one of the fastest riders. (it should be noted the he
  didn't fit my stereotype of a fast rider: middle-aged, stocky, etc,
  but he is WAY faster than me, and I'm 25 years younger!) He did it all
  on a heavy bike with comparatively wide, heavy tires.

  The point is that the weight of the bike and the width of the tire is
  way less important than people think it is. I know guys who go ga-ga
  over 16-lb bikes with all the trimmings and then ride long 20-mile
  flat-terrain rides all-out at 12 mph, and I know others who ride 38-lb
  super-commuters with big tires and cruise long distances closer to 20
  mph.

  On Dec 13, 11:55 pm, Jason jasonshaef...@gmail.com wrote:

   This is a follow up to the post Visit to RBWHQ and Sam Hillborne
   purchase (It's a little long but I wanted to include everything I
   wish I'd known when I started looking at the Hillborne)

   After much resistance my wife got me to take a Sam Hillborne for a
   test ride and the next thing I knew I'd handed over a credit card for
   a deposit.

   I'm new to cycling, in November I signed up with team-in-training to
   do a triathlon and raise money for cancer research. Up until this
   point I've been happy with any bike that rolls, but I've never really
   enjoyed riding.

   The tri that I'm doing is an Olympic, so the biking distance is only
   25 miles. That said, I have a hard time being passed, so I didn't want
   to get a bike that would slow me down too much. The bike that I've
   been riding is an aluminum Giant with really compact geometry.

   As soon as I test rode the Hillborne I noticed that I could breath
   better (and I was smiling). My posture felt much more natural, chest
   more open. I think the combination of a longer top tube, a higher/less
   aggressive handlebar height, and wider handle bars made for much
   better breathing (and probably more belly room).

   The Hillborne rides beautifully, and the feel of the steel is much
   more humane than what I'm used to with my aluminum bike.

   The tires on the shop bike were chubby and plush. I was initially
   talked out of getting thinner tires and ended up calling back to
   meekly request the the Ruffy Tuffy tires (it felt like ordering a
   steak at a vegan restaurant). The Ruffys are a great ride and all the
   reviews say they are nearly impossible to puncture. They feel faster
   than the larger tires, and even though everyone at Rivendell said they
   looked strangely thin, they're 28mm and do a good job on the
   treacherous San Francico streets.

   Notes on the rest of the build:

   Wheels: I went for the budget wheel set. I met Rich Lesnik on my first
   visit and he couldn't have been nicer. If you don't know about Rich,
   he builds all the Riv custom wheel sets (here's his 
   website:http://handsonwheels.com/). What I didn't know is that Rich also 
   tunes
   all of the budget wheel sets. There's some cache with getting Rich
   to build your wheels from scratch, but the budget set is fantastic and
   they won't get out the door without Rich's approval.

   Shifters: I

[RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet

2009-12-15 Thread charlie

I don't use GK pedals because they don't appear wide enough for my
wide feet. I had been using Crank Bros. 50/50 pedals and now use a
Taiwanese brand magnesium pedal with sealed bearings. These grip a
little better than the Crank Bros. and seem to be of higher quality. I
have been riding retentionless now for about 15,000 miles on various
pedals and I don't get numb feet. I ride with Tevas and now with my
LaCrosse duck boots for winter. I also ride with any other shoe I own
depending on where I am going or what I need to be wearing when I get
there. There just is no reason in my experience to use any form of
retention when a large surface area pedal with traction pins works
just as well. Its just common sense that a large surface area pedal
will distribute the pressure out on my feet no matter what shoe I
wear. If I had rubber covers I could ride barefoot. I never have
dismount problems either  unlike when I feel over ( three times) when
using clip in shoes.

On Dec 15, 6:26 am, Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com wrote:
 I would like to get some feedback from the group regarding Grip King  
 pedals and their ability to eliminate numb feet on long rides.

 I started using clipless pedals about a year ago after my rides  
 started increasing in length, and numbness in my feet became a  
 problem.  I had been using MKS touring pedals, and really can't use  
 those on rides over 30 miles or so.  The switch was extremely  
 successful in keeping my feet from going numb, and I like riding with  
 the clipless, in general.  However, I have found that I get a little  
 uncomfortable being clipped in when going up steep hills.  It's always  
 in the back of my mind that if I need to bail out because I can't  
 pedal anymore, it's gonna be difficult because I'm clipped in.  
 Granted, this hasn't happened yet, but why have the anxiety if I don't  
 have to?

 This is where the Grip Kings come in.  I am hopeful that the increased  
 surface area of the pedal will spread the weight out over the bottom  
 of my foot enough to keep the numbness at bay.  Does anyone have any  
 thoughts on this?  Has anyone had numb feet problems and had them  
 relieved by using the Grip Kings?

 Like I said, I like the clipless pedals, but am willing to give up  
 some of the things I like about them in order to gain a little piece  
 of mind.

 Thanks,
 Steve

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[RBW] Quickbeam Chainring Clearance

2009-12-15 Thread Eric Norris

Just wondering how much clearance other QBs have between the inner chainring 
and the chainstay on their stock bikes (first gen).

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Re: [RBW] calendars?

2009-12-15 Thread Seth Vidal

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 on 12/14/09 11:01 PM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, time is getting kinda tight. Did I miss an email about a current
 classics calendar for 2010?

 No.

 Here's the plan at this point -

 Assuming I can get enough pre-orders (which I _don't_ think will be an
 issue), the 2010 calendar will run from February to January 2011. The
 turnaround looks to be a mid-January ship date to you.

 Email was going to go out tomorrow (work/class crunch right now).


Cool. Count me in for a pre-order.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: calendars?

2009-12-15 Thread Horace

I'm sure it will be in good taste.


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 Will the bicycles be nude?

 I couldnt resist. :))

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[RBW] Re: parts for sale: Xtracycle, nitto, etc.

2009-12-15 Thread colin p. cummings

The shimano bar ends are 9 speed.  The Xtracycle is for 26 wheels,
though I run 650b on it now.  Includes only the extension, no bags or
other accessories.

On Dec 15, 7:23 pm, colin p. cummings colinthehip...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Must clear stuff out...

 Xtracycle Free Radical: $140 plus shipping (no accessories included,
 pics/info available)

 Nitto tech stem 8cm extension: $35 shipped

 Nitto Noodle 44cm:  $40 shipped

 Shimano bar ends (friction/index): $40 shipped

 Please contact me off list.

 Cheers,

 Colin Cummings
 Amarillo, TX

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[RBW] Re: insurance for bikes.

Thanks.  I thought that you had to be operating a motorized vehicle
for your UM/UIM coverage to kick in, but apparently not.  That gives
me a better feeling of security.  My widow and children can benefit
from my bike riding.

On Dec 15, 5:26 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 UIM is meant to cover damages to you that the other party's liability
 insurance ought to have covered if he had it, or if he had enough of it. If
 someone hits you and is at fault (in the insurance sense, not a legal
 sense), then his insurance is contractually obligated to reimburse you. If
 he doesn't have it or doesn't have enough, your own UIM coverage takes its
 place.

 I am sure because (1) I sold the stuff and (2) I received a UIM payout,
 temporarily, when I got hit in 2006 and the poleece report said that the
 hitter had no insurance. (His momma had insurance, but my UIM kicked in
 until my company figured that out.)

 Your UIM will cover you in any situation, riding, walking, sitting, lying,
 levitating, for which you might have a right to be compensated by someone
 else's liability coverage, were he driving his insured vehicle and, at fault
 in the insurance sense, did you damages that can be represented in some way
 in terms of money.

 At fault in the insurance sense doesn't mean he broke some law, it just
 means that he and not you or some third party caused the damage to you and
 yours.

 So yes, I am sure.

 On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:37 PM, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.netwrote:





  Patrick:  Are you sure your auto underinsured coverage covers you
  while on a bicycle?  I hope you're correct, but I haven't seen that in
  my policy.

  On Dec 15, 3:50 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

   Your home or renter's insurance will not cover accidents. If you have an
   accident and the other party is at fault, then (1) if he has insurance,
  his
   property liability will cover it. If (2) he does not have it, or has too
   little, your own auto Uninsured/Underinsured coverage will cover it.

   If you know how to talk to an adjuster, you will get your money's worth
  --
   at least, if the company is a reputable one: Hartford, Progessive,
  Travelers
   and the other prime companies I now gleefully forget. Your bottom feeder
   companies are often amenable to a letter saying, in effect: I think
  $
   is fair. I have given good reasons why it is fair. if you want to jerk me
   around, I will hire a lawyer. If I hire a lawyer, then you can pay $
   PLUS my lawyer's fees. Have a nice day. Sincerely yours, etc.

   On the two occasions I've had to claim for bicycle losses -- one a theft,
   the second an accident -- I got full and prompt settlement -- heck, even
   made a bit on the deals.

   On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ken Yokanovich 

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[RBW] Re: calendars?

Sign me up.  You can even make the calendar run from January to
January.  I just look at the pictures.

On Dec 15, 1:46 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 on 12/14/09 11:01 PM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

  So, time is getting kinda tight. Did I miss an email about a current
  classics calendar for 2010?

 No.

 Here's the plan at this point -

 Assuming I can get enough pre-orders (which I _don't_ think will be an
 issue), the 2010 calendar will run from February to January 2011. The
 turnaround looks to be a mid-January ship date to you.

 Email was going to go out tomorrow (work/class crunch right now).

 - Jim

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 My nighttime attitude is anyone can run you down and get away with it.
 That's why I don't even own a bike light or one of those godawful reflective
 suits.  Because if you've put yourself in a position where someone has to
 see you in order for you to be safe...you've already blown it.
 -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Chainring Clearance