[RBW] FS: 650b front wheel and tires, plus Berthoud bag with decaleur
Hi all, I bought a 650b randonneur from a very nice seller who had ridden it perhaps three times in the two years he had owned it. I ended up swapping out the front wheel for one with a dynohub, the tires for 42mm Hetres, and the rando bag for something a bit taller. As a result, those items are barely used and for sale: 28 Spoke 650b Front Wheel - Dura-Ace Hub with Velocity Synergy Rim - $100 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/3785535206.html Two 650bx34 Nifty Swifty Tires - $40 (Riv Content!) http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/3785075889.html Gilles Berthoud GB25 Randonee Bag and Velo Orange 1 Decaleur - $200 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/3765181350.html I am in Berkeley, CA and would prefer to sell locally, but the bag would be easy to ship, the tires are wire bead but can be shipped if you don't mind my figure-eighting them, and the wheel could possibly be shipped pending discussion with the buyer. I would love to see these go to a good home rather than gather dust. Get in touch with me if you're interested. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
It takes more than just a fork to transform a Riv into a randonneur, indeed. Most importantly, it takes some kooky person to sit in the saddle and turn the cranks and follow the cue sheet faithfully for between 7 and 90 hours. Anybody who's obsessing over fork rake or any other hardware triviality is missing the point. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
Not a riv but close enough? I just converted a garage sale find trek 520 to a-bars (all my bikes have a-bars!). It's pretty damned upright. https://www.dropbox.com/s/x47bt8g8hntks2l/Photo%20May%2009%2C%2011%2023%2017%20AM.jpg Bolt upright? Well, yeah. I tried it with the original stem and the a-bar (I refuse to call it an alba) was a bit low. I used a dirt drop stem because I had it on hand but for aesthetics, I'd prefer an L-shaped nitto stem that comes up pretty high. The bar position should be roughly he same. My advice for all interested in more upright position is: - go for it! - start with wide saddle - go for as upright as humanly possible and work your way back until you hit your sweet spot Enjoy! - Perry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 22:31 -0500, Alex Zeibot wrote: Low trail fork will not transform Rivendell into a complete randonneur bicycle. It takes more than just a fork. Plenty of Rivendells have been transformed into randonneur bicycles without any changes to the fork at all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
My experience doesn't reflect this. I recently picked up a low trail Rawland Nordavinvden, and it handles very well with no load and high, wide bars (above saddle by maybe 1.5) I actually haven't even ridden it with any front load yet. Though I also like my higher trail, stiffer tubed Crosscheck as well. Eric Daume Dublin, OH On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA benzouy...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know if that is entirely true. Certainly, lower trail bikes favor having a load at the front to feel normal, at least for me. Without a load, low trail bikes are squirrely. That means lower trail bikes favor a more front-biased weight distribution to feel normal, including perhaps by having a lower handlebar. That also means that lower trail bikes will probably feel squirrely with Bosco or other upright bars (speculation; haven't tested). Of course, one can get used to either low or high trail bikes and once that happens, whichever one that's familiar will feel normal. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally
If I get the gist of the itinerary, we are going to camp and stay at Forestville, ride out each day, end up making a loop and return to the campground. So riding loaded with camping gear from place to place is not on the agenda if we are camping there, correct. Marc On Friday, May 10, 2013 12:59:38 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Great! So far I know of three people who reserved sites. Rumor has it that the park rangers are flexible about the number of small tents, so I think you can probably count on sharing a site, if you choose. The campground has a number of non-reservable sites, for those who show up without reservations. Somehow, someway, it'll work. On Friday, May 10, 2013 9:59:21 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote: I intend to come up from Michigan. I'll roll with your plan to get a sight at Forestville for three nights and return Monday. I can get my own or share, if sharing is a possibility, let me know in a few days, Otherwise I will reserve one next Wed. Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.com 269-910-3251 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally
That's right Marc. For those of us camping at Forestville, we can leave our gear there during the day. I'm basing the official start each day in Spring Valley and Preston, respectively, because those towns have services like lodging, groceries, etc. This gives us some bonus miles commuting to the starting points each day. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally
Also, starting in the towns allows one-day ralliers to drive in, park somewhere, and meet us conveniently. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
Comments on two prior posts. Yes Rene, I've enjoyed it also. I drooled over Rivendells when I first saw a Romulus ad. The first production bike that would fit me off the rack though was a smaller Rambouillet, so I got one at the end of 2006. 10,000 miles later, I still love it. Later, I started to read Jan's observations and bought his tires for my 2d bike, a Saluki. They continue to ride well. The next bike was more Jan-ish I think, a late 70s or early 80s UJB crit racer that a prior owner had converted to 650B. It's Riv-sih nod is M-bars on a high Nitto Dynamic stem. Higher BB and lower trail, it's a great bike for shorter, spirited rides. It can't touch the Ram or Saluki for all day comfort though. The Saluki, with lower trail than the Ram, handles a small front load well. I did not like the Ram with a load on the Mark's rack I tried, and then sold. With long chain stays, both bike do rear weight fine. Steve: The Ram has two wheel sets. One has 28mm Conti Gatorskins and the other 37mm Panaracer Paselas. Changing between them gives no noticeable steering feel change to me. The 28s are faster by 1 - 2 mph on avg. I've told a co worker I'd bring fatter tires to work next week so we can do some fire road rides. Which bike/tires to bring? :) A delicious quandary. (Ram with Paselas, Saluki with Oursons, Crit bike with pari motos?) On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:09 PM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: What a great discussion On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Tire width has a small inpact on geometric trail. Tire width has a large impact on pneumatic trail. The two combine to produce overall trail. When you widen the tires and increase pneumatic trail, you need to reduce geometric trail, or else you end up with excessive trail and the bike feel sluggish. When you narrow the tires you need to increase the geometric trail, or you may end up with insufficient stability. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Some thought on my Riv's - Long
All this discussion about trail and this and that and I realized I didn't care. At 6'5 tall and 225 what many want to claim as heavy tubing isn't heavy to me. In my race bike days I liked areo wheels that were very stiff and felt like you were on a rail and instantly put power to the road. Then again it took me 1000 miles at the first of each year to get my neck and back in shape to be comfortable in that aggressive position. I'm very fortunate to have found Rivendell and even more fortunate to have more than one... I can say this, for me they do what I expect and better than any other bike I've tried for the same purpose while giving me the look I want. For me that is not having 1/2 a football field of seat post sticking out. I think my Bombadil has to long a seat post for me but I can't get over how well she rides. Anyway the Bombadil I used to tour on a Giant XL OCR Tour bike which came with Disc brakes. I did thousands of miles of touring the bike and it always got me home. Over the years I went from touring on 700x28 Marathon Plus to 700x35's and then as now I took what I wanted to have not worried about how much weight was on the bike. This is where the Bombadil shines. The Giant with a bit of technique was smooth and handled ok ... the Bombadil doesn't care just pedal, in the saddle, out of the saddle you name it. A typical touring load for me is about 30 lbs give or take on the front. About 12 in each pannier and 6 to 10 on front basket. On the rear Usually about 40 pounds depending on the amount of camera equipment this may end up as high as 50. The Bombadil lets me just ride it and scream on the downhills... I can't tell you the joy of coasting down hill loaded to the hilt in excess of 40 mph with one hand on the handlebar and on holding my hat on while being steady as a rock.. or laying through turns with a solid concise feel. Not to mention the comfort of 700x50 tires.. There may be better bikes out there for some.. but this one has the ability to do what I need. It also does great on those 40 ish mile city rides with just some cameras thrown in the large sackville on the back or in the front basket.. she just doesn't car. My A Homer Hilsen Has turned into the Atlantis i can never find ... front Marks Rack with small bag then an arkel handlebar bag hanging over that with a large saddlesack on the rear which now has foam installed for camera gear.I have 700x37 pasela on the rear and a 700x33.3 JB on the front and drop bars. It's become the duplicate but does so much. It fills in as a tour bike, it handles club rides, it does everything good and fits like a dream. Rambouillet When I couldn't find a 68 cm Atlantis I went the other way and jumped on this frame. At 68cm with brooks saddle and 48cm noodles cages and all it still comes in at 25lbs which is about 6 pounds heavier than my Giant TCR 0 Dura Ace carbon racer.This includes the Rene Herse triple, dyno, supernova headlight and taillight, 700x29 gran boise tires and velo orange raid rims with a b17. As you can see if weight was an issue dropping a few pounds would not be a issue with different stuff. This one of all my Rivs has more of the race bike feel to it. Twichty is the wrong word but more that direction than the Homer. A good feel and it handles fast downhills and sharp turns with precision and grace. (even with me on it) The only time I miss my Giant is when sprinting and then the Ram is just not stiff enough for me. My only real gripe at the moment is that it doesn't have a kickstand. Other than that it is fast, comfortable, and the best event bike / century bike I've ever owned. Quickbeam Fits like a dream and rides like a dream, but sits most of the time. My knees have been bothering me and though no big long climbs short steep ones make this an end of year kinda bike.. for sale too.. just not at the devalued level I've seen Riv's going for lately.. she will collect dust before I give her away. The ride is stable, smooth and a dream ... Everyone likes something different or thinks they know the best. Well you do know what is best for you, but that doesn't make it best for anyone else. Remember that and trust what feels good and works good for you. Just because someone says a bike will wag the tail if you have a seat bag doesn't make it so. Or just because someones decides that because they experienced it one way it's fact for all just laugh and move on. For me and my size most of the information I see and hear has to be taken if a large grain of sand as it doesn't relate. I go through tires faster, bottom brackets faster, brake pad's and the list goes on. I like different bikes and have not found a 68cm bike on the market that does what the bikes I have do ... I'm happy and since I've been riding mine many friends have bought them as well. Which is a bummer in a way because I
Re: [RBW] Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times
I also found the review frustratingly vague. As you said, he talks about geometry, but doesn’t specify what he means. To be fair, most bike reviews are like this one: a gloss over without offering any specifics. He also says, “The San Marcos gets you where you want to go in comfort and style, but it’s not going to be the most racy thing to ride.” I infer from this that he thinks that the San Marcos is a slow bike. But WHY does he feel the San Marcos is slow? Is it the non-aerodynamic upright position? Is it the 6 degree sloping TT? Is it the extra 8 ounces of the double TT on the 63 cm model he was riding? Or is it some other aspect of what he calls “retro geometry”? In the end, we just don’t know why he feels that the Marcos is slow. The lack of specifics in the review is frustrating. The reviewer rode the 63 cm model. The 47cm and 51 cm models have 650b wheels. The 59cm and 63cm models have 700c wheels but they also have the double TT. I’m looking at the 54cm San Marcos and trying to compare it to the 55 cm Roadeo. The 54 cm San Marcos is unique in that it has 700c wheels but no double top tube. It should be fairly easy to compare the 54cm 700c San Marcos to the 55cm 700c Roadeo, both with single top tubes. But this review provides no information to help with that. On Thursday, May 9, 2013 2:38:05 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 10:03 -0600, René Sterental wrote: http://www.bicycletimesmag.com/content/review-soma-fabrications-san-marcos What do you think he means by geometry? For example, the following: For those of us used to more modern geometry, the extra top tube looks like overkill, and Well, it’s mainly about handlebar height and retro geometry to increase comfort. What is retro geometry? 71-72.5 head angle, 71.5-71.8 degree seat angle -- perhaps not as steep as many, even most today, but I think the expectation is the bike will be used with a B.17 and everybody always complains about the short rails on a B.17 not working well with steeper seat angles; and of course, if 72 is too slack the world is chock full of zero offset seat posts. But what's any of that got to do with the double top tube? Would anyone here call that geometry? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: old pasela 37's on the Simpleone and picking up new wheels for the Protovelo
Hey there The Bleriot looks great. I miss that bike..but it was too small. I'm so glad you like it. Looks like it's treating you well. I love awkward bike portage also (as long as it's safe) Best Jason On Monday, May 6, 2013 11:22:29 PM UTC-4, jeffrey kane wrote: Beautiful, man ... I always like seeing the awkward package portage pics ... here's one of your 'ol Bleriot from last October: On Monday, May 6, 2013 6:40:04 PM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote: A couple of phone pics from today I took the Jack Browns off the Simpleone since they will be going on the new Protovelo. I had some Pasela 37's that seem to really beef up my Simpleone. Then picked up some new wheels that the Jack Browns will go onto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 07:45 -0700, Doug Williams wrote: I also found the review frustratingly vague. As you said, he talks about geometry, but doesn’t specify what he means. To be fair, most bike reviews are like this one: a gloss over without offering any specifics. He also says, “The San Marcos gets you where you want to go in comfort and style, but it’s not going to be the most racy thing to ride.” I infer from this that he thinks that the San Marcos is a slow bike. But WHY does he feel the San Marcos is slow? Is it the non-aerodynamic upright position? And it's not like the bike was set up bolt upright. OK, maybe the design doesn't permit you to slam the stem, but then, how many riders actually can ride a bike with a slammed stem? Is it the 6 degree sloping TT? I think we can safely eliminate that, because most racing bikes these days are slopers, too. Is it the extra 8 ounces of the double TT on the 63 cm model he was riding? Or is it some other aspect of what he calls “retro geometry”? Probably in the end, it comes down to it looks slow. In the end, we just don’t know why he feels that the Marcos is slow. He also mentions the 32mm tires in a way that makes me think he believes they'll make the bike slow. However, it's not at all clear to me from reading the review whether he actually ever rode the bike. Wouldn't surprise me at all to find he did not. The lack of specifics in the review is frustrating. The reviewer rode the 63 cm model. The 47cm and 51 cm models have 650b wheels. The 59cm and 63cm models have 700c wheels but they also have the double TT. I’m looking at the 54cm San Marcos and trying to compare it to the 55 cm Roadeo. The 54 cm San Marcos is unique in that it has 700c wheels but no double top tube. It should be fairly easy to compare the 54cm 700c San Marcos to the 55cm 700c Roadeo, both with single top tubes. But this review provides no information to help with that. I can see where that would be useful, but the chances of ever finding a review with that level of specificity are about zero, I'm afraid. But I think there's a lot of specificity missing even in the official brochure about this bike. Does it fit like a Rivendell? How would you size it? Are you really sure you'd take the 54? And why does a 59 cm road frame need a double top tube, anyway? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] protovelo done
The new protovelo build is mostly finished. As I mentioned before, I've never had a proper roadie type bike and I had been collecting parts to build one when this frame came up on the Riv site as a web special. I have no idea what it was a prototype for. I've never ridden with integrated shifters and it's not my first choice but for this build it made sense. I'm interested in learning more about the sport of cycling and not just rambling around or commuting which I normally do on a Hillborne. So far it feels fast and super stable, but I've only ridden it for about 20 minutes. best Jason *http://tinyurl.com/bo563th* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Some thought on my Riv's - Long
Kelly -- very interesting writeup (of course I was particularly interested in that for the Ram). I've not ridden any of Grants later models, but you descriptions of their handling and feel match my own experience with the five Rivs I've owned (with some reservations about the Sam Hill). Great bikes. I have to choose today (light-load errand ride with detour) between the Ram and the '03 fixed. [List: Kelly helped with my Ram build by donating 3/4 of a wheelset that I traded for an Open Pro set. Thanks again!] Patrick Moore, who rode his *58* cm Ram 23 miles yesterday on the new Parigi Roubaix tires ***without a single flat***. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: All this discussion about trail and this and that and I realized I didn't care. At 6'5 tall and 225 what many want to claim as heavy tubing isn't heavy to me. In my race bike days I liked areo wheels that were very stiff and felt like you were on a rail and instantly put power to the road. Then again it took me 1000 miles at the first of each year to get my neck and back in shape to be comfortable in that aggressive position. I'm very fortunate to have found Rivendell and even more fortunate to have more than one... I can say this, for me they do what I expect and better than any other bike I've tried for the same purpose while giving me the look I want. For me that is not having 1/2 a football field of seat post sticking out. I think my Bombadil has to long a seat post for me but I can't get over how well she rides. Anyway the Bombadil I used to tour on a Giant XL OCR Tour bike which came with Disc brakes. I did thousands of miles of touring the bike and it always got me home. Over the years I went from touring on 700x28 Marathon Plus to 700x35's and then as now I took what I wanted to have not worried about how much weight was on the bike. This is where the Bombadil shines. The Giant with a bit of technique was smooth and handled ok ... the Bombadil doesn't care just pedal, in the saddle, out of the saddle you name it. A typical touring load for me is about 30 lbs give or take on the front. About 12 in each pannier and 6 to 10 on front basket. On the rear Usually about 40 pounds depending on the amount of camera equipment this may end up as high as 50. The Bombadil lets me just ride it and scream on the downhills... I can't tell you the joy of coasting down hill loaded to the hilt in excess of 40 mph with one hand on the handlebar and on holding my hat on while being steady as a rock.. or laying through turns with a solid concise feel. Not to mention the comfort of 700x50 tires.. There may be better bikes out there for some.. but this one has the ability to do what I need. It also does great on those 40 ish mile city rides with just some cameras thrown in the large sackville on the back or in the front basket.. she just doesn't car. My A Homer Hilsen Has turned into the Atlantis i can never find ... front Marks Rack with small bag then an arkel handlebar bag hanging over that with a large saddlesack on the rear which now has foam installed for camera gear.I have 700x37 pasela on the rear and a 700x33.3 JB on the front and drop bars. It's become the duplicate but does so much. It fills in as a tour bike, it handles club rides, it does everything good and fits like a dream. Rambouillet When I couldn't find a 68 cm Atlantis I went the other way and jumped on this frame. At 68cm with brooks saddle and 48cm noodles cages and all it still comes in at 25lbs which is about 6 pounds heavier than my Giant TCR 0 Dura Ace carbon racer.This includes the Rene Herse triple, dyno, supernova headlight and taillight, 700x29 gran boise tires and velo orange raid rims with a b17. As you can see if weight was an issue dropping a few pounds would not be a issue with different stuff. This one of all my Rivs has more of the race bike feel to it. Twichty is the wrong word but more that direction than the Homer. A good feel and it handles fast downhills and sharp turns with precision and grace. (even with me on it) The only time I miss my Giant is when sprinting and then the Ram is just not stiff enough for me. My only real gripe at the moment is that it doesn't have a kickstand. Other than that it is fast, comfortable, and the best event bike / century bike I've ever owned. Quickbeam Fits like a dream and rides like a dream, but sits most of the time. My knees have been bothering me and though no big long climbs short steep ones make this an end of year kinda bike.. for sale too.. just not at the devalued level I've seen Riv's going for lately.. she will collect dust before I give her away. The ride is stable, smooth and a dream ... Everyone likes something different or thinks they know the best. Well you do know what is best for you, but that doesn't make it best for anyone else. Remember that and trust
[RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks
Hi, All! I'm Leah, and I'm happy to have discovered you! In November I managed to get my paws on my very own Rivendell Betty Foy. She's the completely perfect answer to my cycling needs. I slapped a gorgeous Brooks B68 in honey on her and it's been great. But yesterday I made the mistake of tooling around on the Brooks site and discovered that they now make a RED B 17...and it would be the exact red that all the decals and fill-ins on the lugwork are. If fit isn't a consideration, what is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible honey color prevail? My other saddle could go to my dad, who is currently suffering with his stock Specialized saddle, so no waste there... I'd love your opinions, so thanks ahead of time! Leah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
Me too! Thanks for the clarification, Steve! On Friday, May 10, 2013 5:28:09 PM UTC-5, Evan wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your answers regarding trail. (Pneumatic trail vs. geometric trail? Whoa. It's even more complicated than I thought!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?
All, I have an outstanding hitch bike rack (Thule Euroway G2 923), but this option is now gone with our new car. I am looking to buy a roof bike rack that would accommodate nicely a fendered fat-tired bicycle with front rack (Mark's or Mini type), any advice? I've owned in the past a Yakima highroller, it did NOT work well with fenders. Thanks, Pierre PS: my Thule Euroway G2 923 is for sale, make an offer off-list if interest, in the bay area (bought in Europe in 2011, so it has all the wiring for taillights, mandatory over there) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:33:15 PM UTC-4, Doug Williams wrote: I'm leaning strongly toward a San Marcos, but I can't seem to let go of the idea of having a faster Roadeo. I like to do long solo rides. I ride with others on occasion, but I don’t worry about racing or drafting anybody. I want to be fast (doesn't everybody?) but I also want to be comfortable. Not just because I like comfort (I do) but I also think that being comfortable allows me to put in more effort, which makes me faster. Plus, at 55 years old, I don’t recover as quickly as I used to. I want to be able to ride daily. I don’t want to spend days “recovering” from the last ride. So which bike do you guys think would be better for long, comfortable, randonneuring type (but not racing) riding? The San Marcos with the 6 degree slope TT and very upright position? Or the Roadeo with the lighter tubing (a little over half a pound, I think) and more “race bike” geometry? I would put a threaded stem on the Roadeo and build it up pretty much the same as a San Marcos. So I expect that I should be able to get the bars high enough on either bike. But there are still differences in the bikes, and I wonder how much “real world” difference there would be on a long ride. But then I keep going back and forth. The San Marcos can take a back rack that could come in handy on longer rides. But then, I could clamp a rack on the Roadeo if I really had to. The Roadeo is a drop-dead gorgeous “true Rivendell” bike with a great paint job on higher quality steel. But then, the San Marcos is $1,300 less. Analysis paralysis, I know. Hey Doug, Not to complicate matters, but I had rear rack and DT shifter mounts brazed onto my Roadeo at minimal cost/complaints from GP. I haven't used them since buying the San Marcos because in my mind, the SM is the better choice for a rear rack and medium bag. I've kept the Roadeo slim for fast, pavement only rides. You should have no wories about all day comfort on the SM. As long as the geometry fits (slack angles on my 54cm make for a long reach that in my case needed to be compensated with a zero offset seatpost and 1 cm shorter stem). If you're not doing fast club rides (though it's no slug) and you occasionally ride off road or in the rain, I think the SM is your ticket. Good luck. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks
Only On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:43 PM, LeahFoy jonasandle...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome! The initiation for new listmembers requires posting exquisite photos of their Rivendells. Please do so. what is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible honey color prevail? Photos would help. Personally, I think Brooks Honey would go very well with a red frame, but so would a red saddle. I myself am not particularly careful about matching colors, but I do like to see photos of well matched bikes. A honey Brooks with honey bar wrap ? -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs
How about a French style geometry bicycle with a Hobo planaria? Low racks with low trail fork, Newbaum handle wrapped with twin at the end, and shellac in placed. Plastic fenders, dyno wheel for lights in the front and back. Basket up front to hold your things. You could probably play the harmonica while you bicycle down the road. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: Mouth harp would work too. On May 10, 2013 1:39 PM, Lee Legrand krm2...@gmail.com wrote: Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R norr...@gmail.com wrote: I felt it here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/norro/8651662543/in/set-72157633249441487/ On Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:00:17 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote: That last was meant for Tim :-) Hugh On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:58:28 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Hey Norman get out of my head! :-) The greatest Hobo Band ever. RIP Richard, Rick Levon. My sound track through life. Hugh On Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:38:33 PM UTC-7, Norman R wrote: My idea of classy hobo. On Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:14:51 PM UTC-4, PeterG wrote: Love the ClassyHobo thing...I picture a charlie chaplain type leaning against a Homer and contently looking at the world go by On Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:59:00 AM UTC-7, grant wrote: I'm late to this one but jusr read Jan's thing about the way he likes bikes and the way I or Riv does, and so...there's really nothing he left out, or to add. One thing to keep in mind that's easy to not keep in mind is that a group like this has already been filtered through progressively finer sieves until here we all are, comparing two species of planaria, while maybe losing the big picture, which includes tigers, volcanos, vaudeville, and black holes. Jan's planaria is rando; RIV's is kind of classy hobo, but they're both practibo and in such similar ways, beautifo. Rando came in the '40s and no doubt had its own influences, but RHerse was at the center of it, and there were a few others (read Jan's book, omg, if I may!). CHobo bikes like ours wouldn't exist without those. I'd be hooking up with assorted Chinese bike factories looking for the best deals on forks and trying to keep abreast of the lastest nanotechnological progress in carbon, or something. So, when it comes to a little more or less trail, a little more or less integration of racks, and big saddlebags versus big handlebar bags---in the picture that's only slightly bigger than the one outside the powerful microscope, it's all the same. Jan's contribution is like salt's contribution, at least that's one way I think about it. He is thumbs-upping Herse and the old French guys, pointing to them, but in doing that he's actually making a huge contribution to modern bikes and styles and tastes, educating along the way. Of course, there's nothing TO take away from the old Frenchies (as I call them, but I'm sure Jan has never), but because of the size of the bike-riding population today, Jan is himself more influential, and I'm one he's influencing. Periodically, while he's up there doing his thing and I'm down here doing mine/RIV's, we get tossed into the ring as antagonists, which makes us both feel weird, sinceit ain't like that at all. I've known Jan for close to 20 years. What we have in common brought us together and keeps us that way. His book is a masterpiece. I've read the whole thing and have dipped into it many times since. It's soothing to the eyes and feels like a cozy blanket on a chilly evening (the chilliness coming from non-planarial bikes!) G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
[RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs
I'm pretty sure that Grant's and Jan's writings in this thread should be monogrammed and framed, just so it can be easily referenced when future postings try to drive a spike between their ideas. I'm pretty firmly in the camp of The Ride Is What Matters, and if you are comfortable and feel like the bike will do what you request, then politely ask Is that All? you have a winner. Thanks to both Jan and Grant for furthering the discussion with real-world examples. We would be poorer without your contributions. - Jim cyclofiend.com / about.me/cyclofiend -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times
The stiffness of the frame also makes a bike feel fast/reactive versus slow/inert, to me, anyway. In my brief ride on a Roadeo, it felt responsive and springy like a skinny tire road bike. But then again, it's pretty obvious that a lot of perceptions of fastness have a lot more to with looks and familiarity than science. Dan G / pittsburgh pa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks
I vote red! Saddle matching is the new bag matching. I have a blue B17 on one bike, and like the matchy aspect. Brian Seattle, WA On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:05 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Only On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:43 PM, LeahFoy jonasandle...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome! The initiation for new listmembers requires posting exquisite photos of their Rivendells. Please do so. what is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible honey color prevail? Photos would help. Personally, I think Brooks Honey would go very well with a red frame, but so would a red saddle. I myself am not particularly careful about matching colors, but I do like to see photos of well matched bikes. A honey Brooks with honey bar wrap ? -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks
Red saddles look great on many bikes. Go for it! When I built up a repainted bike a while back, a friend donated some Brooks green bar tape. Naturally, I had to get a green B17 to match On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:43 PM, LeahFoy jonasandle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, All! I'm Leah, and I'm happy to have discovered you! In November I managed to get my paws on my very own Rivendell Betty Foy. She's the completely perfect answer to my cycling needs. I slapped a gorgeous Brooks B68 in honey on her and it's been great. But yesterday I made the mistake of tooling around on the Brooks site and discovered that they now make a RED B 17...and it would be the exact red that all the decals and fill-ins on the lugwork are. If fit isn't a consideration, what is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible honey color prevail? My other saddle could go to my dad, who is currently suffering with his stock Specialized saddle, so no waste there... I'd love your opinions, so thanks ahead of time! Leah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks
The Betty Foy owner in the household votes to leave the honey saddle. I vote red as I have done the color matching thing with a blue brooks saddle that perfectly matches the brake cables and headset spacers on my SimpleOne. David Charlotte, NC On Friday, May 10, 2013 4:43:09 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote: Hi, All! I'm Leah, and I'm happy to have discovered you! In November I managed to get my paws on my very own Rivendell Betty Foy. She's the completely perfect answer to my cycling needs. I slapped a gorgeous Brooks B68 in honey on her and it's been great. But yesterday I made the mistake of tooling around on the Brooks site and discovered that they now make a RED B 17...and it would be the exact red that all the decals and fill-ins on the lugwork are. If fit isn't a consideration, what is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible honey color prevail? My other saddle could go to my dad, who is currently suffering with his stock Specialized saddle, so no waste there... I'd love your opinions, so thanks ahead of time! Leah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: protovelo done
Sloping top tube. Slots on the brakes look like med reach. Could be San Marcos ish. On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:59:36 AM UTC-7, jandrews_nyc wrote: The new protovelo build is mostly finished. As I mentioned before, I've never had a proper roadie type bike and I had been collecting parts to build one when this frame came up on the Riv site as a web special. I have no idea what it was a prototype for. I've never ridden with integrated shifters and it's not my first choice but for this build it made sense. I'm interested in learning more about the sport of cycling and not just rambling around or commuting which I normally do on a Hillborne. So far it feels fast and super stable, but I've only ridden it for about 20 minutes. best Jason *http://tinyurl.com/bo563th* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks
Go red! Objective advice from someone who matches green Brooks saddle and bar tape to his green bags on his pewter Hunqapillar! René — Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:56 AM, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com wrote: The Betty Foy owner in the household votes to leave the honey saddle. I vote red as I have done the color matching thing with a blue brooks saddle that perfectly matches the brake cables and headset spacers on my SimpleOne. David Charlotte, NC On Friday, May 10, 2013 4:43:09 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote: Hi, All! I'm Leah, and I'm happy to have discovered you! In November I managed to get my paws on my very own Rivendell Betty Foy. She's the completely perfect answer to my cycling needs. I slapped a gorgeous Brooks B68 in honey on her and it's been great. But yesterday I made the mistake of tooling around on the Brooks site and discovered that they now make a RED B 17...and it would be the exact red that all the decals and fill-ins on the lugwork are. If fit isn't a consideration, what is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible honey color prevail? My other saddle could go to my dad, who is currently suffering with his stock Specialized saddle, so no waste there... I'd love your opinions, so thanks ahead of time! Leah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: protovelo done
Looks like a Bleirot fork with a Hillborne frame. Brake reach is solidly in the 57-59mm reach range. It looks like a fun sporty ride! Have fun! Stephen On Saturday, May 11, 2013 9:16:16 AM UTC-7, ted wrote: Sloping top tube. Slots on the brakes look like med reach. Could be San Marcos ish. On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:59:36 AM UTC-7, jandrews_nyc wrote: The new protovelo build is mostly finished. As I mentioned before, I've never had a proper roadie type bike and I had been collecting parts to build one when this frame came up on the Riv site as a web special. I have no idea what it was a prototype for. I've never ridden with integrated shifters and it's not my first choice but for this build it made sense. I'm interested in learning more about the sport of cycling and not just rambling around or commuting which I normally do on a Hillborne. So far it feels fast and super stable, but I've only ridden it for about 20 minutes. best Jason *http://tinyurl.com/bo563th* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks
Welcome, Leah! Ooooh, go red! And I'm not a matchy person (as my socks will attest!) but I think a red brooks on a Betty would look great. . . plus your dad needs a different saddle, right? :-) Cheers! lyle On 11 May 2013 12:33, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Go red! Objective advice from someone who matches green Brooks saddle and bar tape to his green bags on his pewter Hunqapillar! René — Sent from Mailbox https://bit.ly/SZvoJe for iPhone On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:56 AM, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.comwrote: The Betty Foy owner in the household votes to leave the honey saddle. I vote red as I have done the color matching thing with a blue brooks saddle that perfectly matches the brake cables and headset spacers on my SimpleOne. David Charlotte, NC On Friday, May 10, 2013 4:43:09 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote: Hi, All! I'm Leah, and I'm happy to have discovered you! In November I managed to get my paws on my very own Rivendell Betty Foy. She's the completely perfect answer to my cycling needs. I slapped a gorgeous Brooks B68 in honey on her and it's been great. But yesterday I made the mistake of tooling around on the Brooks site and discovered that they now make a RED B 17...and it would be the exact red that all the decals and fill-ins on the lugwork are. If fit isn't a consideration, what is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible honey color prevail? My other saddle could go to my dad, who is currently suffering with his stock Specialized saddle, so no waste there... I'd love your opinions, so thanks ahead of time! Leah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494 206.794.6937 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Riv Suggestion Box: San Marcos
The Soma badge is merely a cloaking device. Those with the means and ability can see through it and know it is a Riv design. Those who lack the means or ability to see that don't know the difference between a Riv and a Soma design anyway. You will be able to tell in which category to place someone who starts up a conversation based on how they identify it without them even knowing that you are doing so. -jb On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.comwrote: I’m looking at getting a San Marcos from Rivendell soon. Of course, I would REALLY prefer a Roadeo, if only I could find another $1,300. But I digress.** As a big Rivendell fan, I have to say that the one annoying thing about the San Marcos is the lack of anything (other than the very small print on the chainstay) that mentions that it is a Rivendell. Well, we can’t do anything about the decals (they have clear-coat over them) but what about the headbadge? Couldn’t Riv put a Rivendell headbadge on the San Marcos for those frames purchased from Riv HQ and fully assembled by Rivendell elves with all parts purchased from Rivendell? Sounds petty, I know. But reading the web, I am not the only one with this petty hang-up. A Rivendell headbadge could be a big incentive for people to buy the San Marcos from Rivendell instead of Amazon (or wherever). I hear that a blow dryer will soften up the glue and allow the San Marcos headbadge to be easily removed and replaced with a Rivendell one. J Of course, I don’t know what the Riv contract with Soma might say about this. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- John Blish Minneapolis MN USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Riv Suggestion Box: San Marcos
+1 On May 11, 2013, at 10:23 AM, John Blish jbl...@gmail.com wrote: The Soma badge is merely a cloaking device. Those with the means and ability can see through it and know it is a Riv design. Those who lack the means or ability to see that don't know the difference between a Riv and a Soma design anyway. You will be able to tell in which category to place someone who starts up a conversation based on how they identify it without them even knowing that you are doing so. -jb On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote: I’m looking at getting a San Marcos from Rivendell soon. Of course, I would REALLY prefer a Roadeo, if only I could find another $1,300. But I digress. As a big Rivendell fan, I have to say that the one annoying thing about the San Marcos is the lack of anything (other than the very small print on the chainstay) that mentions that it is a Rivendell. Well, we can’t do anything about the decals (they have clear-coat over them) but what about the headbadge? Couldn’t Riv put a Rivendell headbadge on the San Marcos for those frames purchased from Riv HQ and fully assembled by Rivendell elves with all parts purchased from Rivendell? Sounds petty, I know. But reading the web, I am not the only one with this petty hang-up. A Rivendell headbadge could be a big incentive for people to buy the San Marcos from Rivendell instead of Amazon (or wherever). I hear that a blow dryer will soften up the glue and allow the San Marcos headbadge to be easily removed and replaced with a Rivendell one. J Of course, I don’t know what the Riv contract with Soma might say about this. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- John Blish Minneapolis MN USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?
Hi Pierre,
The only roof racks that work well with fendered bikes are those that grab
the frame via the downtube. Of the few available, the one I like the most
is the Thule Criterium:
http://www.thule.com/en-us/us/products/bike-carriers/roofcarriers/598-criterium-_-598
The other one is the Yakima Raptor Aereo, but its design isn't as refined
as the Criterium.
I'm assuming you are using long fenders, such as Honjo or Berthoud. If you
are using shorter plastic fenders that don't reach so low behind the front
wheel, then any rack that holds the fork after you remove the front wheel
might do.
René
On Saturday, May 11, 2013, Pierre wrote:
All,
I have an outstanding hitch bike rack (Thule Euroway G2 923), but this
option is now gone with our new car.
I am looking to buy a roof bike rack that would accommodate nicely a
fendered fat-tired bicycle with front rack (Mark's or Mini type), any
advice?
I've owned in the past a Yakima highroller, it did NOT work well with
fenders.
Thanks,
Pierre
PS: my Thule Euroway G2 923 is for sale, make an offer off-list if
interest, in the bay area (bought in Europe in 2011, so it has all the
wiring for taillights, mandatory over there)
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[RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks
Welcome! And red saddle for sure. I still enjoy seeing the green saddle on my green Quickbeam after 9 years. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks
Go red and while you're at it get some cool red foot ware along with red bottle cages and blue bottles...why stop with the saddle? Then of course lots of pictures. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] 1987 Bridgestone MB-1, 50cm, for sale
Greetings Riv folk. Now that I am the proud owner of a new RBW Legolas, I'm letting go of my Bridgestone MB-1. It's one of the coolest MB-1s ever, in my opinion, being one of the few production mountain bikes made for, and spec'ed with, Dirt Drop handlebars. The size is 50cm, good for someone 5'8 to 5'10 or so. Since I have *inside access*, I had Rich Lesnik build me a set of Hands On Wheels with a NOS Shimano 600 8-speed hubset and Velocity Aeroheat rims. There are some other anachronistic parts, but this bike is meant for riding, not collecting, so changes were made to increase utility. So before you ask, know that it's not a completely stock bike. Bars, brakes, maybe brake levers, shifters, are all that remain from the original spec. See it here on CL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/3799217477.html I'm asking $650 to start. I'd really like it to go to someone who will ride it as it was intended to be ridden! If you are in the Bay Area, you can see it and ride it at RBW HQ. Thanks for looking! -Brian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks
Welcome! Are you aware of how differently the B17 rides than the B68? The B17 can be too narrow for a more upright position, which I presume you have on the Betty? An upright position has us sitting on the wider part of our sit bones, so saddle width makes a big difference. Aside from that, I haven't an opinion one way or the other. Go for what gives you delight, first to ride, second to look upon. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks
I went through the same debate with a Brooks B17 Electric Blue saddle for my Atlantis - it matched the lettering outline perfectly. I added some chainstay wrap in blue to touch it off and am very happy with the results. If you like it, go for it! There is no wrong answer in personlizing. On Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:15:51 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: Welcome! Are you aware of how differently the B17 rides than the B68? The B17 can be too narrow for a more upright position, which I presume you have on the Betty? An upright position has us sitting on the wider part of our sit bones, so saddle width makes a big difference. Aside from that, I haven't an opinion one way or the other. Go for what gives you delight, first to ride, second to look upon. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks
Rock the red! The fact that you asked makes the answer self evident. -Jimmy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks
Not to mention that the B-17 comes in a lady's model as well On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Welcome! Are you aware of how differently the B17 rides than the B68? The B17 can be too narrow for a more upright position, which I presume you have on the Betty? An upright position has us sitting on the wider part of our sit bones, so saddle width makes a big difference. Aside from that, I haven't an opinion one way or the other. Go for what gives you delight, first to ride, second to look upon. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions
Once the Large SaddleSacks are back in stock I plan on getting one as my everyday bag on the bike. It will rest on a Nitto Large Rear Rack. I plan on strapping it down with 1-2 short Irish Straps. For camping, I will put the Sackville Panniers under it and am hoping the lashing points match up all right. I often lay the bike down, especially when loaded as the kickstand and dirt just do not hold it upright and there may not be a tree where I am stopping. My questions: -- What kinds of loads do you carry? -- Do you anchor it down and if so, how? -- How does it handle being laid down? Does it lay down better anchored or unanchored? -- If unanchored, how does it ride on rough roads when loaded? Thanks! With abandon, Patrick www.MindYourHeadCoop.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions
Patrick, I carry all sorts of loads from a medium backpack full of clothes and a laptop computer, to six-packs of 12-oz bottled beverages, to box of Dunkin Coffee, to camping gear. (not all at one time:) ) I could easily exceed weight limit of wheel and rack before capacity of the bag. I love the bag and leave it attached all the time. I strap mine down with leather straps purchased, I believe, from Acorn Bags. (see poor quality photo) Strapped down, it takes being laid down fine. It actually helps buffer other parts of the bike from the ground and adds some beausage (sp?). Best wishes, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8O7OmPX6_Cw/UY7X79JJ2OI/ANg/5pPE4FGKJ0k/s1600/Saddlesack.JPG Erl On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:25:39 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: Once the Large SaddleSacks are back in stock I plan on getting one as my everyday bag on the bike. It will rest on a Nitto Large Rear Rack. I plan on strapping it down with 1-2 short Irish Straps. For camping, I will put the Sackville Panniers under it and am hoping the lashing points match up all right. I often lay the bike down, especially when loaded as the kickstand and dirt just do not hold it upright and there may not be a tree where I am stopping. My questions: -- What kinds of loads do you carry? -- Do you anchor it down and if so, how? -- How does it handle being laid down? Does it lay down better anchored or unanchored? -- If unanchored, how does it ride on rough roads when loaded? Thanks! With abandon, Patrick www.MindYourHeadCoop.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?
Why are you so committed to a roof rack? I use a Saris hitch rack and like it much better than any roof rack I have owned - which is a lot. Michael On Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:19:28 AM UTC-4, Pierre wrote: All, I have an outstanding hitch bike rack (Thule Euroway G2 923), but this option is now gone with our new car. I am looking to buy a roof bike rack that would accommodate nicely a fendered fat-tired bicycle with front rack (Mark's or Mini type), any advice? I've owned in the past a Yakima highroller, it did NOT work well with fenders. Thanks, Pierre PS: my Thule Euroway G2 923 is for sale, make an offer off-list if interest, in the bay area (bought in Europe in 2011, so it has all the wiring for taillights, mandatory over there) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions
Here is a photo of the beverages: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZaeY65IqQtM/UY7ZZjzdMKI/ANs/SpNq8WJEs_I/s1600/saddlesack2.JPG Best regards, Erl On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:25:39 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: Once the Large SaddleSacks are back in stock I plan on getting one as my everyday bag on the bike. It will rest on a Nitto Large Rear Rack. I plan on strapping it down with 1-2 short Irish Straps. For camping, I will put the Sackville Panniers under it and am hoping the lashing points match up all right. I often lay the bike down, especially when loaded as the kickstand and dirt just do not hold it upright and there may not be a tree where I am stopping. My questions: -- What kinds of loads do you carry? -- Do you anchor it down and if so, how? -- How does it handle being laid down? Does it lay down better anchored or unanchored? -- If unanchored, how does it ride on rough roads when loaded? Thanks! With abandon, Patrick www.MindYourHeadCoop.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs
I don't know if Rob would agree, but that sounds like an Ocean Air Rambler to me! http://oceanaircycles.com/bicycles/rambler/ Cheers, David On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Lee Legrand krm2...@gmail.com wrote: How about a French style geometry bicycle with a Hobo planaria? Low racks with low trail fork, Newbaum handle wrapped with twin at the end, and shellac in placed. Plastic fenders, dyno wheel for lights in the front and back. Basket up front to hold your things. You could probably play the harmonica while you bicycle down the road. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: Mouth harp would work too. On May 10, 2013 1:39 PM, Lee Legrand krm2...@gmail.com wrote: Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R norr...@gmail.com wrote: I felt it here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/norro/8651662543/in/set-72157633249441487/ On Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:00:17 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote: That last was meant for Tim :-) Hugh On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:58:28 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Hey Norman get out of my head! :-) The greatest Hobo Band ever. RIP Richard, Rick Levon. My sound track through life. Hugh On Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:38:33 PM UTC-7, Norman R wrote: My idea of classy hobo. On Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:14:51 PM UTC-4, PeterG wrote: Love the ClassyHobo thing...I picture a charlie chaplain type leaning against a Homer and contently looking at the world go by On Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:59:00 AM UTC-7, grant wrote: I'm late to this one but jusr read Jan's thing about the way he likes bikes and the way I or Riv does, and so...there's really nothing he left out, or to add. One thing to keep in mind that's easy to not keep in mind is that a group like this has already been filtered through progressively finer sieves until here we all are, comparing two species of planaria, while maybe losing the big picture, which includes tigers, volcanos, vaudeville, and black holes. Jan's planaria is rando; RIV's is kind of classy hobo, but they're both practibo and in such similar ways, beautifo. Rando came in the '40s and no doubt had its own influences, but RHerse was at the center of it, and there were a few others (read Jan's book, omg, if I may!). CHobo bikes like ours wouldn't exist without those. I'd be hooking up with assorted Chinese bike factories looking for the best deals on forks and trying to keep abreast of the lastest nanotechnological progress in carbon, or something. So, when it comes to a little more or less trail, a little more or less integration of racks, and big saddlebags versus big handlebar bags---in the picture that's only slightly bigger than the one outside the powerful microscope, it's all the same. Jan's contribution is like salt's contribution, at least that's one way I think about it. He is thumbs-upping Herse and the old French guys, pointing to them, but in doing that he's actually making a huge contribution to modern bikes and styles and tastes, educating along the way. Of course, there's nothing TO take away from the old Frenchies (as I call them, but I'm sure Jan has never), but because of the size of the bike-riding population today, Jan is himself more influential, and I'm one he's influencing. Periodically, while he's up there doing his thing and I'm down here doing mine/RIV's, we get tossed into the ring as antagonists, which makes us both feel weird, sinceit ain't like that at all. I've known Jan for close to 20 years. What we have in common brought us together and keeps us that way. His book is a masterpiece. I've read the whole thing and have dipped into it many times since. It's soothing to the eyes and feels like a cozy blanket on a chilly evening (the chilliness coming from non-planarial bikes!) G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: [RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs
and don't forget the bandana's on Rob's site. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
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[RBW] Re: Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?
Sounds like, the new car doesn't have a hitch... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?
Check this one out.. Just what your looking for http://www.atoc.com/biketopper.php Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
Alba's look cool with the black grips. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Just how dark do Brooks honey saddles get?
I like the honey, but torn between honey and dark brown. The Brown looks kinds reddish in pics i have seen. The honey looks great, but would love it to darken up a bit. Anyone got any pics of one or 'tother to share? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] WTT: My B17 for your Imperial.
Looking to try an Imperial - black or browns, honey, etc. I have a black B17 that has probably less than 200 miles on it. In very good shape. I can send pics if interested. Let me know. john11.2...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?
If indeed the problem is no hitch in the new car, then I would suggest considering getting a hitch installed or doing it yourself. I put a hitch on my minivan and it was really pretty easy. I got the hitch from Amazon and found an install video on YouTube. Cost was about $150. I'm not sure what a roof rack costs, but if you still have the bike rack a hitch install might be cheaper than a new roof rack. Also, if you don't want to do it yourself I think Uhaul will install a hitch for about $200. Aaron Young in Vancouver, WA On Saturday, May 11, 2013, Kelly wrote: Check this one out.. Just what your looking for http://www.atoc.com/biketopper.php Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:;. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comjavascript:; . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?
What Aaron said. These people are HIGHLY recommended. All their installations are viewable on youtube and it's really straightforward. That's presuming your vehicle isn't an outlier that doesn't have the capacity, or a work vehicle or similar. Re roof racks: If you have the choice between clamp on or hard-mount screw on type, definitely going with the screw on. The clamp on ones are incredibly easy to pull off. There has been a rash of rack thefts at one of our local trailheads. Cheers, David On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote: If indeed the problem is no hitch in the new car, then I would suggest considering getting a hitch installed or doing it yourself. I put a hitch on my minivan and it was really pretty easy. I got the hitch from Amazon and found an install video on YouTube. Cost was about $150. I'm not sure what a roof rack costs, but if you still have the bike rack a hitch install might be cheaper than a new roof rack. Also, if you don't want to do it yourself I think Uhaul will install a hitch for about $200. Aaron Young in Vancouver, WA On Saturday, May 11, 2013, Kelly wrote: Check this one out.. Just what your looking for http://www.atoc.com/biketopper.php Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?
These people, of course being http://www.etrailer.com/ Cheers, David On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:18 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: What Aaron said. These people are HIGHLY recommended. All their installations are viewable on youtube and it's really straightforward. That's presuming your vehicle isn't an outlier that doesn't have the capacity, or a work vehicle or similar. Re roof racks: If you have the choice between clamp on or hard-mount screw on type, definitely going with the screw on. The clamp on ones are incredibly easy to pull off. There has been a rash of rack thefts at one of our local trailheads. Cheers, David On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote: If indeed the problem is no hitch in the new car, then I would suggest considering getting a hitch installed or doing it yourself. I put a hitch on my minivan and it was really pretty easy. I got the hitch from Amazon and found an install video on YouTube. Cost was about $150. I'm not sure what a roof rack costs, but if you still have the bike rack a hitch install might be cheaper than a new roof rack. Also, if you don't want to do it yourself I think Uhaul will install a hitch for about $200. Aaron Young in Vancouver, WA On Saturday, May 11, 2013, Kelly wrote: Check this one out.. Just what your looking for http://www.atoc.com/biketopper.php Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Just how dark do Brooks honey saddles get?
Here's some pictures of my 6yr old Honey B17. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/8142953377/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/8577884068/in/set-72157633053478798 I really like the way this saddle looks. Still, if I were going to buy a new Brooks, I'd probably get a brown one. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions
Patrick, once you get your large SS be sure to post pictures and impressions. I'm curious as to how the bikes perform with those bags out in the wild. On the one hand it puts a lot of weight up high but perhaps this isn't an issue. The bags are beautiful for sure and easy to access. I totally regret selling my medium SS a few years back. I'll say this. The medium bag was fine unanchored but was excellent when attached to a Nitto Top Rack as it stayed in place. I imagine the large ones attached to a rack with zip ties or straps is similar. I'm hoping to treat myself to a replacement Sackville saddlebag later this year and am considering going with the large. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions
My Large Saddlesack is permanently on my bike. I was using zipties to attach bag to rack, but some people say that the zipties damage the bag, so currently it's only attached to the saddle, and it rests on the rack. I need to figure out some new attachment solution. I don't understand why one would use Irish straps to attach bag to rack. Irish straps are great, but where do you use them and doesn't it block the handy big opening? I take my bike on fire roads frequently. Those fire roads are either steep themselves, or found at the top of steep paved roads. So I go up and down steep roads all the time; the Atlantis and Saddlesack handle flawlessly. Weight up high has not proved to be a problem for me. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, once you get your large SS be sure to post pictures and impressions. I'm curious as to how the bikes perform with those bags out in the wild. On the one hand it puts a lot of weight up high but perhaps this isn't an issue. The bags are beautiful for sure and easy to access. I totally regret selling my medium SS a few years back. I'll say this. The medium bag was fine unanchored but was excellent when attached to a Nitto Top Rack as it stayed in place. I imagine the large ones attached to a rack with zip ties or straps is similar. I'm hoping to treat myself to a replacement Sackville saddlebag later this year and am considering going with the large. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] WTT: My B17 for your Imperial.
Michael - just make your own out of the B17: http://wp.me/p1kJzU-5S Brian Hanson Seattle, WA On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Looking to try an Imperial - black or browns, honey, etc. I have a black B17 that has probably less than 200 miles on it. In very good shape. I can send pics if interested. Let me know. john11.2...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions
I'll second the zip-tie advice. I have the medium and just use 2 zip-ties to steady it on the rear of the bag at the rack. Brian Seattle, WA On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: My Large Saddlesack is permanently on my bike. I was using zipties to attach bag to rack, but some people say that the zipties damage the bag, so currently it's only attached to the saddle, and it rests on the rack. I need to figure out some new attachment solution. I don't understand why one would use Irish straps to attach bag to rack. Irish straps are great, but where do you use them and doesn't it block the handy big opening? I take my bike on fire roads frequently. Those fire roads are either steep themselves, or found at the top of steep paved roads. So I go up and down steep roads all the time; the Atlantis and Saddlesack handle flawlessly. Weight up high has not proved to be a problem for me. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, once you get your large SS be sure to post pictures and impressions. I'm curious as to how the bikes perform with those bags out in the wild. On the one hand it puts a lot of weight up high but perhaps this isn't an issue. The bags are beautiful for sure and easy to access. I totally regret selling my medium SS a few years back. I'll say this. The medium bag was fine unanchored but was excellent when attached to a Nitto Top Rack as it stayed in place. I imagine the large ones attached to a rack with zip ties or straps is similar. I'm hoping to treat myself to a replacement Sackville saddlebag later this year and am considering going with the large. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
