Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

EPIC bluff-call, Anton!  I gratefully accept your gift of that fine 
Mercian.and true to my word I humbly offer it back to you.  

Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Deacon Patrick]

Ahhh! Yes. I SO wanted those to work when I tried them. As you say: light 
and cheap. For me, if I looked at a tree branch wrong, they suddenly had 
uncontrollable ventilation. If I so dared brush against a branch, I left 
half the jacket behind. Sardonic grin. At which point, if it was 70˚F and 
above, I'd be back to my t-shirt, hat, and shorts. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 8:05:02 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 06/06/2016 09:57 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I agree, Steve. At 70˚F and up if it's raining I'm happy in hat, t-shirt, 
> shorts. What do you wear in rain at 70˚+F?
>
>
> O2 Original Rain Jacket.   At 70 I unzip the zipper much of the way for 
> ventilation.  Light, cheap and pretty decent in warm weather.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Need info on Bottom Bracket for Biopace Triple

[Mike K.]

Hey all,
I'm trying to find the appropriate bottom bracket for a Biopace triple, 
model number FCR-124 or FC-R124, depending on who you ask.

Anyone familiar with it and what length spindle to use?

- Mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Help me decide how to spend a day in Sacramento /San Francisco

[SeanMac]

Thank you all so much for your suggestions.  What a great group of 
friends!  I managed to pick up a few travel guidebooks at my library the 
other day.  So, with your suggestions in mind, I will spend some time 
pouring through the books, studying various maps, trying to make some sense 
of how I should spend my time in the big city.

I appreciate the layering suggestions.  I live in Buffalo, NY, so cold 
weather is not really a concern.  However, if I leave Sacramento and its 
100 degrees (I really hope that will not be the case), I'll be sure to 
carry a nice, cozy Ibex top with me.  

Speaking of Sacramento, I recently read something about the American River 
Trail.  Anyone familiar with this trail?  My hotel is pretty near the 
trail, and it does appear that bike rentals are available.  Perhaps I can 
manage a ride on the trail while I am in Sacramento.

So far, I'm somewhat sold on the idea of riding the ferry from Oakland to 
San Francisco.  Richard, thanks for your suggestions for things to do in 
Oakland.  When I eventually do get to San Francisco, I do want to do a bit 
of walking in the heart of the city.  David - I like your suggestions.  
Blue Bottle Coffee at the ferry station along with some walking / eating / 
shopping sounds like some fun.  If time allows, a walk / ride across the 
Golden Gate Bridge and some time in the park sounds like fun.

At this point, I have moved away from a Giants game.  As much as I would 
like to see the park, I hate to tie up so much time watching a game.  
However, it is good to know that I can sneak a peak inside the stadium for 
free.  That sounds do-able.

A trip to Rivendell still intrigues me.  I'll have to look at the train 
schedules to see if I can catch a train that will get me to Walnut Creek 
early in the morning.  I don't own a Rivendell.  In fact, I've only 
seen/ridden one once - a test ride of a Rambouillet approximately 9 years 
ago at a dealership in Burlington Vt. (the Alpine Shop, I believe).  I 
ended up not buying that bike (a mistake, I now realize - I bought a custom 
frame from Bob Brown Cycles instead).  Hence, I would love the chance to 
see a few frames, get my PBH measured, go for a ride or two and soak up 
some Riv atmosphere.  However, I need to decide how much time I can devote 
to such a visit.  

Another variable is that my seminar group is heading to San Francisco on a 
Thursday to view the San Francisco Maritime National Park.  I don't know 
how long we will be there, but my schedule says that we will also have some 
free time in San Francisco that day.  Perhaps that trip will allow me to 
experience a few of the "to do's" on my list, leaving me time to visit 
Rivendell.  

Thank goodness I have some time to think about the possibilities!

Evan - thanks for your suggestion of contacting you / the list again as I 
get closer to my trip.  I'll definitely do that!  

Thanks again everyone.

Sean

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 2:09:18 AM UTC-4, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> I won't add to your confusion by piling on more suggestions, but I will 
> say that if you decide to ride a bike in SF, let us know. With a few weeks' 
> notice, a few of us could maybe arrange to meet you at the Ferry Building 
> in SF and take you on a ride to the Marin Headlands (yes, the GG Bridge 
> ride can be crowded but it's also beautiful). Or if you prefer to walk, per 
> dstein's suggestion, I live in North Beach and could give you some local 
> tips. Reply off list, or on it if you like.
>
> Evan
>
>
>
>

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[David Hays]

Always love seeing that Mercian Anton.
David


> On Jun 6, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Anton Tutter  > wrote:
> 
> Oh boy. 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 6:00:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> 
> 
> Confession time.  I'm a snob about British Racing Green.  I think BRG is the 
> most overused, ugly and mind numbingly boring color possible for a bicycle.  
> I'm a snob about it.  If you gave me a BRG bicycle, I'd either give it away 
> or take to the painter.  I'm a snob about it, and I'm allowed to be a snob 
> about it.  I realize lots of people love BRG, and they are entitled to love 
> it.  
> 
> 
> 
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/06/2016 09:57 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I agree, Steve. At 70˚F and up if it's raining I'm happy in hat, 
t-shirt, shorts. What do you wear in rain at 70˚+F?


O2 Original Rain Jacket.   At 70 I unzip the zipper much of the way for 
ventilation.  Light, cheap and pretty decent in warm weather.






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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Steve Palincsar]

Nothing boring about that bad boy.

On 06/06/2016 09:52 PM, Anton Tutter wrote:


Oh boy.






On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 6:00:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:



Confession time.  I'm a snob about British Racing Green.  I think
BRG is the most overused, ugly and mind numbingly boring color
possible for a bicycle.  I'm a snob about it.  If you gave me a
BRG bicycle, I'd either give it away or take to the painter.  I'm
a snob about it, and I'm allowed to be a snob about it.  I realize
lots of people love BRG, and they are entitled to love it.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Deacon Patrick]

I agree, Steve. At 70˚F and up if it's raining I'm happy in hat, t-shirt, 
shorts. What do you wear in rain at 70˚+F?

Round these parts (Colorado mountains) rain falls (pun intended) into to 
categories:

-- quick, cool, refreshing. Blown in and through and cools you down 
wonderfully and the sun is out in 10-20 minutes. No jacket required if 
starting temp is 70+ Even in the mountains with limited view of the sky, 
these squalls are easy to see and know there is no need to don a jacket.
-- Instant shift of seasons from summer to late fall or early spring. No 
matter the starting temp (90 even) the temp plummets to 40-50 and it can 
last from 30 minutes to the rest of the day or even several days. This is 
what ventile is for. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 7:45:27 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 06/06/2016 07:26 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
> > Here are shots of the two ventile 
> > jackets. 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157668960378292/with/27411432702/
>  
> > 
> > 
> > Best jackets ever. Period. I've tried every type of system. Got soaked 
> > in every one, either from the inside (sweat), the outside (rain), or 
> > both. Until ventile. Perfect for -20˚F up to 60˚F with any and all 
> > adverse weather conditions (wind, rain, sleet, wet snow, dry snow, 
> > arctic temps. Just regulate with various layers underneath. Good to 
> > go! Grin. 
>
> I agree about Ventile.  Within its range, it's great - and not just as a 
> rain jacket.  Ventile jackets look like perfectly ordinary lightweight 
> jackets, only they happen to be incredibly water resistant.  The trouble 
> is, when it's 70 or 80 they're too warm.  I imagine on their home turf 
> that's seldom a problem. 
>
>

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Anton Tutter]

Oh boy. 





On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 6:00:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
>
> Confession time.  I'm a snob about British Racing Green.  I think BRG is 
> the most overused, ugly and mind numbingly boring color possible for a 
> bicycle.  I'm a snob about it.  If you gave me a BRG bicycle, I'd either 
> give it away or take to the painter.  I'm a snob about it, and I'm allowed 
> to be a snob about it.  I realize lots of people love BRG, and they are 
> entitled to love it.  
>
>
>>
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/06/2016 07:26 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Here are shots of the two ventile 
jackets. https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157668960378292/with/27411432702/ 



Best jackets ever. Period. I've tried every type of system. Got soaked 
in every one, either from the inside (sweat), the outside (rain), or 
both. Until ventile. Perfect for -20˚F up to 60˚F with any and all 
adverse weather conditions (wind, rain, sleet, wet snow, dry snow, 
arctic temps. Just regulate with various layers underneath. Good to 
go! Grin.


I agree about Ventile.  Within its range, it's great - and not just as a 
rain jacket.  Ventile jackets look like perfectly ordinary lightweight 
jackets, only they happen to be incredibly water resistant.  The trouble 
is, when it's 70 or 80 they're too warm.  I imagine on their home turf 
that's seldom a problem.


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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/06/2016 07:42 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Steve retorted:

"No, a thousand times no, that is absolutely not right.  How bloody 
expensive is a fender eyelet or rack mount fitting?  Come on - that 
stuff isn't expensive at all.  But a bicycle meant to take fenders and 
racks should have fender eyelets and rack mounts.  Period.   This has 
nothing to do with being expensive, and everything to do with being 
fully thought out as opposed to half-assed and not finished.   If that 
is snobbery, then so be it.   The Taylor brothers were constructeurs 
too, and god knows they were as down to earth working class as it 
comes (and I have a great reverence for Jack Taylor bicycles)."


Stay on topic, Steve.  We can't insist on debating if you change the 
subject.  The subject, as indicated in the subject line of this very 
post, has nothing to do with mounting racks or fenders to bicycle 
frames.  The subject here is about mounting a Wald Basket to a solid 
front rack.  That's it.  I assert that zip ties are perfectly OK for 
mounting a Wald Basket to a Nitto Front Rack.  If you are agreeing 
with me on that point, then great we agree.


And we do indeed agree, subject to my proviso regard UV resistance.



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Re: [RBW] OT: Mac OS X to Ubuntu question

[Kevin Lindsey]

Boy, this is indeed off topic.
As an alternative, you might simply try installing "Parallels" for OSX.  It 
runs Ubuntu as a virtual machine while leaving OSX intact and still 
accessible.  I run it on my Mac Air and it works flawlessly.
Kevin

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 11:46:13 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks, all. Problem identified, if not solved.
>
>  Garth: that link identified the problem. When I downloaded Ubuntu back 
> circa 2006 onto a PC using Windows something or other, all it took was to 
> click on the download button and follow the instructions; the process 
> erased Windows and substituted Ubuntu. I expected to do the same with this 
> old Macbook but, apparently, with Macs, damn Apple's eyes, it is hardly as 
> straightforward.
>
> Hopefully the video technique will help.
>
> "Apple’s made it difficult to boot non-Mac OS X operating systems off of 
> USB drives. While you can connect an external CD/DVD drive to your Mac and 
> boot from standard Linux live CDs and USBs, simply connecting a Linux live 
> USB drive created by standard tools like Universal USB Installer and 
> uNetbootin 
> 
>  to 
> a Mac won’t work."
>

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[RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Deacon Patrick]

Ha! Yes, eggs are fortunately tougher than we give them credit for. They 
survived some fairly jouncy roads and singletrack (for eggs). No mandatory 
scrambled eggs for dinner! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 6:00:00 PM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I'm amazed, I tell you. There should be a prize for this! 15 dozen eggs?!? 
> And all arrived home whole? You win!

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[RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Joe Bernard]

Someone mentioned I would need fatter tires (Patrick Moore?), and I blew it off 
with "later after the skinny slicks wear out..I'll be fine." Wrong! I greatly 
underestimated how harsh the ride would be on a now-heavy bicycle capable of 
running a consistent 20mph. Sheesh! I have Continental "Traffic II" 2.1-inch 
tires on the way.  

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[RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[LeahFoy]

I'm amazed, I tell you. There should be a prize for this! 15 dozen eggs?!? And 
all arrived home whole? You win!

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[RBW] Re: FS 59cm Rivendell Rodeo

[Jim M.]

Well, there's another good looking 59 Roadeo that I think is still 
available here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/Roadeo%7Csort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/sRpT5p2oB0Q/12dLZQCKDwAJ

Not mine, but I know Forrest is a good guy.

jim m
wc ca

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 8:55:31 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Believe me, if I didn't have a complete, 10 speed index Shimano set up 
> w/bars, saddle & wheels and no frame, I would have purchased it already!
>
> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 11:34:55 AM UTC-4, boomer wrote:
>>
>> This is a duplicate post from the "bob" forum.  As predicted, a lot of us 
>> would want to part this Rodeo out.  Ultimately, it's up to Bruce, but don't 
>> be too quick to want the frame & fork alone.
>>
>> "Someone better grab this complete bike quick.  I've ridden it, and it's 
>> fast and handles great!  The VBC crankset and Campy combo with brifters 
>> makes it a little off the "Riv reservation" but the set up can't be beat 
>> for a truly go-fast and light steel lugged bike.  If you're tempted to ask 
>> for the bike to be parted out, you'll miss out on this terrific build. 
>>  Changing the components may alter it's quickness and feel. " 
>>
>> Dealing with Bruce is great too!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 11:21:39 AM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> For sale is my 59cm Rivendell Rodeo. I've come to the realization that 
>>> it is just a little too big for me and it's time to let it go. It's such a 
>>> beautiful bike and works perfect. I purchased it from fellow group member 
>>> Don Compton and proceeded to pour a considerable amount of money into it 
>>> with multiple upgrades. I can answer any questions you might have and I 
>>> tried to document the condition with my limited photography skills. I'd 
>>> love to sell it local here in San Diego but am willing to pack it and ship 
>>> it via bikeflights.com if necessary. I'm asking $2,300 via paypal 
>>> "friends and family" plus shipping CONUS. Extra discount for local pick up, 
>>> Here are the pictures: https://flic.kr/s/aHskxBeswb
>>>
>>> And here is the build:
>>> 59cm Rivendell Rodeo in baby blue color
>>> White Industries VBC crankset 172.5mm arms & 44/28 rings
>>> White Industries bottom bracket
>>> Campagnolo 10 speed Chorus Carbon shifters/brake levers
>>> Campagnolo 10 speed Chorus cassette 13/27
>>> Campagnolo 10 speed Centaur rear derailleur
>>> Campagnolo 10 speed Centaur front derailleur
>>> Interloc Racing Designs Needle bearing headset
>>> Nitto Noodle handlebar 44cm
>>> Nitto quill stem 90mm
>>> Nitto Seatpost
>>> Brooks B17 Titanium Champion Special saddle black with copper rivets
>>> Campagnolo Record hubs
>>> Velocity Aerohead rims 32 spokes rear & 28 spokes front
>>> Schwalbe Kojak 700c X 35mm tires
>>> Silver long reach brake calipers
>>> Salsa gel bar tape black
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>>
>>> Bruce in San Diego (310) 968-6910
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS 59cm Rivendell Roadeo

[Bruce Smitham]

The Roadeo is sold

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 10:02:23 AM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 8:55:31 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Believe me, if I didn't have a complete, 10 speed index Shimano set up 
>> w/bars, saddle & wheels and no frame, I would have purchased it already!
>>
>> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 11:34:55 AM UTC-4, boomer wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a duplicate post from the "bob" forum.  As predicted, a lot of 
>>> us would want to part this Rodeo out.  Ultimately, it's up to Bruce, but 
>>> don't be too quick to want the frame & fork alone.
>>>
>>> "Someone better grab this complete bike quick.  I've ridden it, and it's 
>>> fast and handles great!  The VBC crankset and Campy combo with brifters 
>>> makes it a little off the "Riv reservation" but the set up can't be beat 
>>> for a truly go-fast and light steel lugged bike.  If you're tempted to ask 
>>> for the bike to be parted out, you'll miss out on this terrific build. 
>>>  Changing the components may alter it's quickness and feel. " 
>>>
>>> Dealing with Bruce is great too!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 11:21:39 AM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:

 For sale is my 59cm Rivendell Rodeo. I've come to the realization that 
 it is just a little too big for me and it's time to let it go. It's such a 
 beautiful bike and works perfect. I purchased it from fellow group member 
 Don Compton and proceeded to pour a considerable amount of money into it 
 with multiple upgrades. I can answer any questions you might have and I 
 tried to document the condition with my limited photography skills. I'd 
 love to sell it local here in San Diego but am willing to pack it and ship 
 it via bikeflights.com if necessary. I'm asking $2,300 via paypal 
 "friends and family" plus shipping CONUS. Extra discount for local pick 
 up, 
 Here are the pictures: https://flic.kr/s/aHskxBeswb

 And here is the build:
 59cm Rivendell Rodeo in baby blue color
 White Industries VBC crankset 172.5mm arms & 44/28 rings
 White Industries bottom bracket
 Campagnolo 10 speed Chorus Carbon shifters/brake levers
 Campagnolo 10 speed Chorus cassette 13/27
 Campagnolo 10 speed Centaur rear derailleur
 Campagnolo 10 speed Centaur front derailleur
 Interloc Racing Designs Needle bearing headset
 Nitto Noodle handlebar 44cm
 Nitto quill stem 90mm
 Nitto Seatpost
 Brooks B17 Titanium Champion Special saddle black with copper rivets
 Campagnolo Record hubs
 Velocity Aerohead rims 32 spokes rear & 28 spokes front
 Schwalbe Kojak 700c X 35mm tires
 Silver long reach brake calipers
 Salsa gel bar tape black

 Thanks, 

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[RBW] Re: FS 59cm Rivendell ROADEO

[Bruce Smitham]

The 59cm Rodeo is sold.

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 10:11:10 AM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> For sale is my 59cm Rivendell Roadeo which I previously mispelled as 
> "Rodeo" so my apologies. I've come to the realization that it is just a 
> little too big for me and it's time to let it go. It's such a beautiful 
> bike and works perfect. I purchased it from fellow group member Don Compton 
> and proceeded to pour a considerable amount of money into it with multiple 
> upgrades. I can answer any questions you might have and I tried to document 
> the condition with my limited photography skills. I'd love to sell it local 
> here in San Diego but am willing to pack it and ship it viabikeflights.com if 
> necessary. I'm asking $2,300 via paypal "friends and family" plus shipping 
> CONUS. Extra discount for local pick up, Here are the pictures: 
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskxBeswb
>
> And here is the build:
> 59cm Rivendell Rodeo in baby blue color
> White Industries VBC crankset 172.5mm arms & 44/28 rings
> White Industries bottom bracket
> Campagnolo 10 speed Chorus Carbon shifters/brake levers
> Campagnolo 10 speed Chorus cassette 13/27
> Campagnolo 10 speed Centaur rear derailleur
> Campagnolo 10 speed Centaur front derailleur
> Interloc Racing Designs Needle bearing headset
> Nitto Noodle handlebar 44cm
> Nitto quill stem 90mm
> Nitto Seatpost
> Brooks B17 Titanium Champion Special saddle black with copper rivets
> Campagnolo Record hubs
> Velocity Aerohead rims 32 spokes rear & 28 spokes front
> Schwalbe Kojak 700c X 35mm tires
> Silver long reach brake calipers
> Salsa gel bar tape black
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Bruce in San Diego (310) 968-6910
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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

Steve recommended: 

"And apropos of the day, you might want to listen to this: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-weBUzQleo   "

For those who don't like clicking links, Steve's link was to a recording of 
the radio message FDR delivered to the American people on the morning after 
Operation Overlord had initiated, the bulk of which was a prayer for the 
brave soldiers and the nation.  I'm very familiar with that message, but 
it's moving to hear it again.  

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

Steve retorted:

"No, a thousand times no, that is absolutely not right.  How bloody 
expensive is a fender eyelet or rack mount fitting?  Come on - that stuff 
isn't expensive at all.  But a bicycle meant to take fenders and racks 
should have fender eyelets and rack mounts.  Period.   This has nothing to 
do with being expensive, and everything to do with being fully thought out 
as opposed to half-assed and not finished.   If that is snobbery, then so 
be it.   The Taylor brothers were constructeurs too, and god knows they 
were as down to earth working class as it comes (and I have a great 
reverence for Jack Taylor bicycles)."

Stay on topic, Steve.  We can't insist on debating if you change the 
subject.  The subject, as indicated in the subject line of this very post, 
has nothing to do with mounting racks or fenders to bicycle frames.  The 
subject here is about mounting a Wald Basket to a solid front rack.  That's 
it.  I assert that zip ties are perfectly OK for mounting a Wald Basket to 
a Nitto Front Rack.  If you are agreeing with me on that point, then great 
we agree.

If you want to close on your change of subject, I'm willing to do that. 

I agree with you that zipties are insufficient to attach a rack to a 
bicycle frame.  Anybody who does that is dumb, in my opinion.  Any 
manufacturer who recommends it is reckless.  

I agree with you that a bike that is designed for fenders should have 
fender eyelets at the dropouts.  Manufacturers who make bikes without 
fender eyelets at the dropouts should not recommend installing fenders.  

If you are double-changing the subject off of zipties entirely, and back to 
your favorite Riv-bashing subject, then I just don't know what to do about 
that.  Please don't tell me we are getting back on to your favorite 
Riv-bashing subject *AGAIN*.Talk about mind-numbingly boring.  That's 
even more boring than a dark green bicycle.  



 
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[RBW] Re: Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Deacon Patrick]

Here are shots of the two ventile 
jackets. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157668960378292/with/27411432702/

Best jackets ever. Period. I've tried every type of system. Got soaked in 
every one, either from the inside (sweat), the outside (rain), or both. 
Until ventile. Perfect for -20˚F up to 60˚F with any and all adverse 
weather conditions (wind, rain, sleet, wet snow, dry snow, arctic temps. 
Just regulate with various layers underneath. Good to go! Grin. 

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Deacon Patrick]

Nah. The Hunqapillar makes the man. Grin.

With abandon,
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On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 5:13:58 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Obviously I am completely outclassed.
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Re: [RBW] Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Patrick Moore]

Obviously I am completely outclassed.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I estimate 80 pounds (eggs are thirty, plus 25 per pannier). I have no
> concept of weight though, as I estimated the eggs to weigh 15 pounds before
> hopping on the scale).  This is tied for my biggest load (I've done three
> 25 pound turkeys plus a few extras that equaled this). No photos of this
> run, but here are two photos. One showing the shopsack strapped to the top
> of the rear rack, and one showing the egg carton and panniers, packed less
> full than today.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157669333519896/with/26901901533/
>
> Just one wee hill on the way home, which I took in my 38x34, I'd estimate
> half a mile and 45-50 mph downhill. My fun with hills comes on the way to
> the store, as the whole 5 miles there is uphill. Grin.
>
> I did delight (not for the first time) in proving my existence at the
> "speed check trailer," which is positioned on a climb in town and only
> registers things going 15 mph or above. 18 mph! "I exist!" Grin.
>
> For this rain I just wore my single layer ventile jacket (water resistant,
> not water proof like my cotton analogy ventile). It did great though and
> kept me completely dry in this.  Here's the link:
> http://www.hillgear.com/acatalog/copy_of_Windshirt.html
>
> Here is the fully waterproof cotton analogy jacket I use bikepacking and
> all day rainy rides:
>
> http://www.hillgear.com/acatalog/Liathach-Cotton-Analogy-Extreme-Smock-.html
>
> My basic speal on ventile: It keep you dry from the inside and and
> outside! meaning you can sweat and it breathes, but keeps out the water.
> Single layer: keeps out the water until a bit seeps through, but in general
> I just wear a t-shirst under it and that nearly eliminates the wicking
> effect. The Cotton Analogy has an additional liner (and thus weights 2x as
> much and twice the bulk) that acts like the fur coat of an animal, meaning
> it uses capillary action to actively push moisture (vapor and liquid!) out
> to the outer layer. Amazing stuff! Keeps my dry despite day and day of rain
> (critical when bikepacking at near freezing temps in the rain).
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 4:30:46 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Photos, please, and a precise weight record of your load. If it wasn't
>> greater tha 45 lb, then I beat you. And this on a 11 oz Fly, *on* a
>> light *tout* 531 racing frame (1973 Motobecane Grande Record), *and* I
>> grunted this load up a 4/10 mile long very steep hill (gauging hills by the
>> downhill, coasting only, whoo hoo speed, this one is a 40-mile-per-hour
>> hill) in a 67" gear; so I am very great and wonderful.
>>
>> Seriously, photos of Shopsack and Sackville panniers will be appreciated.
>>
>> And: what sort of rain cover do you use on your person? I like capes, not
>> that we need them often in 9" per year citywide average abq.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Where to buy RBW Summer Gloves now that they are gone?

[Frank Brose]

As Tim said . They are nice gloves not quite as "puffy" as Rivs but they 
wear like iron unlike Rivs. I like mine. Bought them knowing my Riv stash 
would run out and all good things Riv seem to come to an end.
http://ecom1.planetbike.com/glove9000.html

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 11:26:03 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I love those gloves. Except for the spotty tan they give your hands. Makes 
> you look like you have liver spots or something.
>
> But I really like the terry on the back of the thumbs and the massive 
> cushiness of the huge pad.
>
> They only have those Thinny gloves now. No terrycloth snot/sweat wipers.
>
> Anyone know who manufactured them and where to find now?
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Re: [RBW] Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Deacon Patrick]

I estimate 80 pounds (eggs are thirty, plus 25 per pannier). I have no 
concept of weight though, as I estimated the eggs to weigh 15 pounds before 
hopping on the scale).  This is tied for my biggest load (I've done three 
25 pound turkeys plus a few extras that equaled this). No photos of this 
run, but here are two photos. One showing the shopsack strapped to the top 
of the rear rack, and one showing the egg carton and panniers, packed less 
full than today.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157669333519896/with/26901901533/

Just one wee hill on the way home, which I took in my 38x34, I'd estimate 
half a mile and 45-50 mph downhill. My fun with hills comes on the way to 
the store, as the whole 5 miles there is uphill. Grin.

I did delight (not for the first time) in proving my existence at the 
"speed check trailer," which is positioned on a climb in town and only 
registers things going 15 mph or above. 18 mph! "I exist!" Grin.

For this rain I just wore my single layer ventile jacket (water resistant, 
not water proof like my cotton analogy ventile). It did great though and 
kept me completely dry in this.  Here's the 
link: http://www.hillgear.com/acatalog/copy_of_Windshirt.html

Here is the fully waterproof cotton analogy jacket I use bikepacking and 
all day rainy rides:
http://www.hillgear.com/acatalog/Liathach-Cotton-Analogy-Extreme-Smock-.html

My basic speal on ventile: It keep you dry from the inside and and outside! 
meaning you can sweat and it breathes, but keeps out the water. Single 
layer: keeps out the water until a bit seeps through, but in general I just 
wear a t-shirst under it and that nearly eliminates the wicking effect. The 
Cotton Analogy has an additional liner (and thus weights 2x as much and 
twice the bulk) that acts like the fur coat of an animal, meaning it uses 
capillary action to actively push moisture (vapor and liquid!) out to the 
outer layer. Amazing stuff! Keeps my dry despite day and day of rain 
(critical when bikepacking at near freezing temps in the rain). 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 4:30:46 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Photos, please, and a precise weight record of your load. If it wasn't 
> greater tha 45 lb, then I beat you. And this on a 11 oz Fly, *on* a light 
> *tout* 531 racing frame (1973 Motobecane Grande Record), *and* I grunted 
> this load up a 4/10 mile long very steep hill (gauging hills by the 
> downhill, coasting only, whoo hoo speed, this one is a 40-mile-per-hour 
> hill) in a 67" gear; so I am very great and wonderful.
>
> Seriously, photos of Shopsack and Sackville panniers will be appreciated.
>
> And: what sort of rain cover do you use on your person? I like capes, not 
> that we need them often in 9" per year citywide average abq.
>

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[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

[Evan Baird]

Since we're talking about regional issues, I can give an example from the 
bay area of how this stuff plays out. SF, as must people are aware, is no 
longer affordable by any definition, so the majority of working class folks 
live across the bay. The Golden Gate Bridge has a bike lane, so plenty of 
people commute to work by bike in the morning. The Bay Bridge does not have 
a bike lane, and probably won't get one for at least 10 years. That means 
if you work in SF you either take bart (which is nearly impossible with a 
bike unless you live out in the burbs) or ride a bus (which means crossing 
your fingers and hoping there's space on the front rack) or ride a ferry 
which costs twice as much. There is a special bike shuttle, but the point 
is there are way more barriers to entry if you live in the historically low 
income areas. The only reason this has improved at all is because we have 
kick ass advocacy groups that fight for bicycle access, and the only reason 
they are able to do that is because they raise a lot of money.

Now I don't mean to point any fingers, but when you compare the 
infrastructure development in the wealthy parts of SF to the poorer 
neighborhoods in the southeast SF, you can see who is getting the majority 
of the infrastructure improvements. But if you never go to those areas, 
because you live in a nice part of town so why would you, you'll never 
realize that there are a lot of people who are at risk riding there. Those 
neighborhoods have been neglected due to a lack of anybody with clout 
speaking up about it, and that prevents people that live there from taking 
up bicycle commuting. The office jockey who only rides his road bike on the 
weekends is not going to throw a fit about unsafe rush hour traffic on 
Monday morning, but statistically he is the person that the policy makers 
will here from as he's more likely to write a big check. When people talk 
about the bike lanes of gentrification this is exactly what they mean.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Toe clips, 7 speed mtb wheelset, Brahma Bar/T-Bone stem combo

[Patrick Moore]

*4. Size Small or Med Ideale clips, new, $10 + shipping.*

Sorry, not "Ideale" and French but "Special" and Italian.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Prices do not include shipping.
>
> 1. Pair Avocet L clips, used, $10.
>
> 2. Pair Ideale, SM or M?, $10.
>
> 3. 7 speed mtb wheelset with Deore DX hubs (original '90s version) /Avenir
> Duro 17 rims, rims drilled for Shrader valves:
>
> > No cassette, $50.
> > With 7 speed cassette $60.
>
> Note: Cheap heavy tires, as new, and thorn proof (they feel heavy enough
> for it) tubes included or removed as buyer wishes.
>
> 4. Tioga T-Bone stem, 135 mm, $10.
>
> 5. Brahma Bar, $20.
>
> Take both the stem and bar for $25.
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Re: [RBW] Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Patrick Moore]

Photos, please, and a precise weight record of your load. If it wasn't
greater tha 45 lb, then I beat you. And this on a 11 oz Fly, *on* a light
*tout* 531 racing frame (1973 Motobecane Grande Record), *and* I grunted
this load up a 4/10 mile long very steep hill (gauging hills by the
downhill, coasting only, whoo hoo speed, this one is a 40-mile-per-hour
hill) in a 67" gear; so I am very great and wonderful.

Seriously, photos of Shopsack and Sackville panniers will be appreciated.

And: what sort of rain cover do you use on your person? I like capes, not
that we need them often in 9" per year citywide average abq.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Oh the joyous delight of the everyday ordinary revealing the holy
> extraordinary! Grin.
>
> The plan was to dodge thunder storm waves and pick up a bulk order that
> just came in at noon (what happened to early morning deliveries?!). So I
> left as that pea-sized hail was diminishing. Nice steady rain for the first
> thirty minutes to the store, then it stopped. I arrived at the store, and
> three employees hauled out my load to me. Gadzooks! You know you’re in for
> a packing challenge when three people portage your groceries out to your
> bike when you arrive!
>
> The rain started up again, and I realized I forgot the large Shopsack. The
> case box of 15 doz. eggs would have to ride naked on top of the rack,
> exposed to rain from above and wet, sloppy mud from below (the Shopsack
> doesn’t zip closed over them, but put upside-down protects them nicely. I
> had to repack the Sackville panniers once to get things to fit and be
> balanced. Then I strapped the eggs on top using doubled Irish straps x2,
> snugging them with a horizontal strap around the seatpost for lateral
> stability. Between the fully loaded panniers widening the rack platform and
> that third strap, I was amazed how stable it was.
>
> I LOVE riding in the rain! What a downpour! More sleet and hail, and sheer
> delight in the glorious muck. With all that weight and the well softened
> CR21 mud, I had to take things fast enough not to sink too deep and slow
> enough to keep control — which was a small window of “just right” that
> changed with the inconsistencies of the mud road.
>
> The egg box survived the trip, was soaked through and will never be useful
> in box form again — but it gave it’s all to get those eggs home five miles
> jouncing through the rain. Grin.
>
> Next time I’ll time it to hit the storms, though if I do that I’ll miss
> them completely, and why would I want that??!! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Wald Basket??

[Evan Baird]

The Soma rack has zip tie mounting holes. It's been my experience that it's 
the sliding around that causes zip ties to fail. Of course I usually just 
put on a crap ton to be safe.

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[RBW] Wet and sloppy grocery run!

[Deacon Patrick]

Oh the joyous delight of the everyday ordinary revealing the holy 
extraordinary! Grin.

The plan was to dodge thunder storm waves and pick up a bulk order that just 
came in at noon (what happened to early morning deliveries?!). So I left as 
that pea-sized hail was diminishing. Nice steady rain for the first thirty 
minutes to the store, then it stopped. I arrived at the store, and three 
employees hauled out my load to me. Gadzooks! You know you’re in for a packing 
challenge when three people portage your groceries out to your bike when you 
arrive!

The rain started up again, and I realized I forgot the large Shopsack. The case 
box of 15 doz. eggs would have to ride naked on top of the rack, exposed to 
rain from above and wet, sloppy mud from below (the Shopsack doesn’t zip closed 
over them, but put upside-down protects them nicely. I had to repack the 
Sackville panniers once to get things to fit and be balanced. Then I strapped 
the eggs on top using doubled Irish straps x2, snugging them with a horizontal 
strap around the seatpost for lateral stability. Between the fully loaded 
panniers widening the rack platform and that third strap, I was amazed how 
stable it was.

I LOVE riding in the rain! What a downpour! More sleet and hail, and sheer 
delight in the glorious muck. With all that weight and the well softened CR21 
mud, I had to take things fast enough not to sink too deep and slow enough to 
keep control — which was a small window of “just right” that changed with the 
inconsistencies of the mud road.

The egg box survived the trip, was soaked through and will never be useful in 
box form again — but it gave it’s all to get those eggs home five miles 
jouncing through the rain. Grin.

Next time I’ll time it to hit the storms, though if I do that I’ll miss them 
completely, and why would I want that??!! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Pannier Bungee Cord Size.

[David Banzer]

I got a set of nos Norco panniers from someone on this list I think. 
They're nice and my first go at panniers in a long time. They're pretty darn 
close to what Swift designed up. 
My only peeve is that the strap that secures a hook to the lower part of a rack 
wraps around the entirety of the bag. So if I want to access exterior pockets, 
I have to undo a side release buckle, but then the bag isn't secured to the 
lower portion of the rack. 
I'm converting them to a simple bungee cord system, but don't know what size 
bungee cord to order. 
Long story for a simple question:
What size (thickness) bungee cord is typically used for panniers?
I'll likely buy a bulk roll and make up some small front panniers as well. 
Thanks,
David
Chicago 

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Bill Lindsay]

Steve

My Wald basket is affixed to my Nitto Front rack with 8 orange zip ties. 
 I'll bet you $100 that in 5 years, it will still be there.  If I 
deliberately remove the rack just because I feel like it, I pay you $100. 
 If I sell the bike and/or the rack and/or the basket, I pay you $100.  If 
I replace one single zip tie, I pay you $100.  If I supply you a photo of 
that Wald Basket attached to that Nitto rack, with 8 orange zipties still 
intact, on 6-6-2021, you pay me $100.  It's an easy date to remember, as a 
date of deep reverence and appreciation to you and all other US veterans 
who have ever served (spoiler: Steve served, but is not old enough to have 
stormed the beaches at Normandy).  You know I'm stubborn enough to collect, 
and I suspect you are just as stubborn as I am. Wanna have that friendly 
bet?

I realize that lots of people feel that expensive bicycles should only have 
expensive things on them, and that zipties are not sufficiently expensive. 
 Some people think an Altus rear derailer isn't expensive enough.  Some 
people think a Wald basket isn't expensive enough.  That's an aesthetic 
opinion, and you are entitled to have it.  God knows I'm a snob about many 
MANY things, so I know snobbery when I see it.  I'm not a snob about 
zipties, but I understand that some people want to be a snob about zipties. 
 

Confession time.  I'm a snob about British Racing Green.  I think BRG is 
the most overused, ugly and mind numbingly boring color possible for a 
bicycle.  I'm a snob about it.  If you gave me a BRG bicycle, I'd either 
give it away or take to the painter.  I'm a snob about it, and I'm allowed 
to be a snob about it.  I realize lots of people love BRG, and they are 
entitled to love it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 1:56:07 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 06/06/2016 04:46 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: 
> > Zipties are freaking awesome.  I'll stop using zipties when I stop 
> > appreciating all inexpensive, elegant, reliable, ingenious inventions. 
> > 
> > 
>
> And they are so very Rivendell.  But, some might say they have no place 
> on an elegant, expensive bicycle, especially as a hack substitute for 
> something that should have been there properly as a matter of course 
> (such as fender eyelets, for example); and they're a whole lot more 
> acceptable when they don't deteriorate and fail due to UV exposure. 
>

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[RBW] FS UPDATE: Toe clips, 7 speed mtb wheelset, Brahma Bar/T-Bone stem combo

[Patrick Moore]

The wheelset has been claimed.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Prices do not include shipping.
>
> 1. Pair Avocet L clips, used, $10.
>
> 2. Pair Ideale, SM or M?, $10.
>
> *SOLD! *3. 7 speed mtb wheelset with Deore DX hubs (original '90s
> version) /Avenir Duro 17 rims, rims drilled for Shrader valves:
>
> > No cassette, $50.
> > With 7 speed cassette $60.
>
> Note: Cheap heavy tires, as new, and thorn proof (they feel heavy enough
> for it) tubes included or removed as buyer wishes.
>
> 4. Tioga T-Bone stem, 135 mm, $10.
>
> 5. Brahma Bar, $20.
>
> Take both the stem and bar for $25.
>
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> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
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>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Deacon Patrick]

Learn to feel your shift, both through your shifter and through your pedals 
(riding in minimalist shoes without cushioning will help a LOT with this).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 12:59:41 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Sometimes on descents I get my chain all whacky because with the wind in 
> my ears I cannot hear the drivetrain enough to ensure clean friction 
> shifts. Funny how much audio feedback one relys on for shifting.

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Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/06/2016 04:46 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Zipties are freaking awesome.  I'll stop using zipties when I stop 
appreciating all inexpensive, elegant, reliable, ingenious inventions.





And they are so very Rivendell.  But, some might say they have no place 
on an elegant, expensive bicycle, especially as a hack substitute for 
something that should have been there properly as a matter of course 
(such as fender eyelets, for example); and they're a whole lot more 
acceptable when they don't deteriorate and fail due to UV exposure.


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[RBW] Re: Wald Basket??

[Bill Lindsay]

Zipties are freaking awesome.  I'll stop using zipties when I stop 
appreciating all inexpensive, elegant, reliable, ingenious inventions.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 6:57:43 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> Right, I think the standard Riv setup is to use zip ties, which they 
> recommend on their website (and which I firmly disagree with).
> I've attached Wald baskets using SS wire. This takes more time than zip 
> ties, but is infinitely more reliable (still, good ol' nuts and bolts are 
> best).
>
> Anton
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 12:12:11 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> I think the difference between Walds normal baskets & Rivendells is the 
>> Riv baskets look like they dont have the hangers or struts. 
>
>

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Re: Brake squeal (segway from: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv)

[David Banzer]

I had some squeal and fork judder using them with Tektro CR720 canti's on a 
Clem. I swapped the Koolstop salmons out and put in some generic Tektro 
road pads and it all stopped. In some cases the salmon pads combined with 
high mechanical advantage make the brakes 'grabby' - they're just too 
effective at grabbing the rim. This doesn't sound like what you're 
experiencing though.
David
Chicago

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 1:45:02 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I like them for their dry weather stopping power, too, and that they are 
> the least abrasive is another big plus. Do yours ever squeal?
>
> Do mine squeal when cold simply because they are old?
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 06/06/2016 01:11 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, all. I didn't realize that black was the Kool Stop standard and 
>>> that salmon is for wet weather. I'll remember that when the temps drop 
>>> again.
>>>
>>
>> Well, for wet weather surely -- when they tested brake pads back must be 
>> 20 years ago and more now, they beat everything else hands down in the wet 
>> -- but they also were better for braking in the dry and for having less rim 
>> abrasion than everything else they tested. That's why I use them all year 
>> round... and also because the color looks so good on a black bike...
>>
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> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
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Re: [RBW] Three Things

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/06/2016 04:12 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
Hilarious! Yes, he read something else totally in "HubbahHubbah!" 
Cheap and tacky come on lines are still come on lines in his book!


Can a person be in The Seated Command position in the back? I call the 
captain's seat!


Another name for the stoker is "Rear Admiral."

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Re: [RBW] Three Things

[Leah Peterson]

Hilarious! Yes, he read something else totally in "HubbahHubbah!" Cheap and 
tacky come on lines are still come on lines in his book!

Can a person be in The Seated Command position in the back? I call the 
captain's seat!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> You know, more folks probably know the term in a very different context than 
> a tandem
> 
> 
> 
> and he may just have thought he was being propositioned...
> 
>> On 06/06/2016 03:34 PM, dougP wrote:
>> "...then walked up to my husband, who was minding his own business getting 
>> ready for work, and said “HubbahHubbah.” His eyes lit up so I’ll take it he 
>> knows I mean we should plunk down big $ on a tandem. Ask for forgiveness 
>> instead of permission???"
>> 
>> Oh, you wicked woman!  Taking bets now on who's captain & who's stoker.  
>> 
>> dougP
>> 
>>> On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 8:08:34 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>>> Mark - I love the Surly racks you mentioned! I don’t at all think the 8 
>>> pack rack is overkill - I actually prefer the 24 pack rack! I’m in the 
>>> process of finding out whether it’s for sale yet or not. I’ll call a dealer 
>>> this morning. 
>>> 
>>> To those of you who explained about having the bars high - I’m going to 
>>> lower them and ride his bike today. I’m very curious to see if that really 
>>> makes a difference. Seems to good and simple to be true. And indeed he 
>>> might notice and insist I put them back. He does love The Seated Command 
>>> Position.
>>> 
>>> I’ll report back about his friction shifting abilities on the Betty Foy, 
>>> but you’ll have to wait until evening for THAT, because that’s when we have 
>>> The Evening Constitutional. 
>>> 
>>> Michael - the tandem. I read this and then walked up to my husband, who was 
>>> minding his own business getting ready for work, and said “HubbahHubbah.” 
>>> His eyes lit up so I’ll take it he knows I mean we should plunk down big $ 
>>> on a tandem. Ask for forgiveness instead of permission???
 On Jun 6, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
 
 Leah, it sounds like you guys are ready for a tandem.  The only 
 significant difference I can see in his set up is the higher bars.  As you 
 raise the stem the angle of the head tube pushes  the handle bars back 
 toward the seat.  The other possibility is your body proportions.  Again, 
 can't tell from the photo, but just because he has longer legs, doesn't 
 mean he has a loner torso or a more forward comfort position.. 
   
 
 I'm putting together a Chevy-ut for my daughter and even though it is one 
 size smaller than Riv's suggestion there is virtually no seat post showing 
 and a good fit to the drop bars.
 
 Enjoy the ride.
 Michael
 
> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 5:20:18 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
> This post is a collection of questions and thoughts. I'm trying to 
> consolidate into just the one post, so sorry if it seems disjointed - I 
> thought maybe one post would be preferable to three.
> 1. First question: Why does my  6 ft husband's 52 cm Clem seem too small 
> and confined to me, who is 5'6"?
> 
> You may remember my zany husband who got a Clem around Christmastime. It 
> was a memorable experience, let me tell you. He isn't Rivy at all, so 
> this was quite the leap for him, and he settled on "matching" his bike to 
> mine more than any other inspiration. We've been having a wonderful time 
> with our bikes, not many lengthy rides, but rather, we do this great 
> thing he calls "Our Evening Constitutional." Every night after dinner, we 
> put on our matching Keens, our matching RayBans, and we take our 
> Rivendell bikes and cruise around the neighborhood and through the park 
> at our leisure. Our kids are big enough to stay home, and we feel like we 
> are really getting away with something. We chat, we laugh, we 
> congratulate ourselves on our fantastic bikes and reflect on 12 years of 
> marriage. This is the kind of date I recommend.
> 
> But I digress.
> 
> One night we decided to switch bikes. I'd made some minor adjustments to 
> his saddle and bars for him and wanted to test them. Secondly, I wanted 
> to gaze upon my lovely Betty Foy while he rode it. (You never get to 
> appreciate how great your own bike looks when you're on it!) I was really 
> expecting his bike to be large and unwieldy but I was shocked to discover 
> it felt cramped! I felt like the bars were squirrely, and that my butt 
> should be way farther back. I wanted to be more stretched out. Now, I 
> have albatross bars and he has whatever the Clems came with, but how can 
> it make that much difference?
> 
> I told him I didn't like his "sit up and beg" positioning. He retorted, 
> "It is not. It's the 'seated 

[RBW] FS: Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork grips grooved and punched for Barend shifters - $20 shipped

[Belopsky]

Never installed. Have no need.

$20 shipped to your door USA.

Thanks!

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Re: Brake squeal (segway from: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/06/2016 02:44 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I like them for their dry weather stopping power, too, and that they 
are the least abrasive is another big plus. Do yours ever squeal?


Sometimes.  Frequently when I wash the wheels - which could be that I 
didn't do a good enough job rinsing them off, and detergent residue is 
present; or it could be as has been postuleted here recently that making 
the rims too clean is the cause.  Also if I'm not careful where I put my 
fingers when removing and replacing a tire and put fingermarks on the 
rims, or get some T9 on the sidewalls when lubing the chain.




Do mine squeal when cold simply because they are old?


Easy and cheap enough to find out, come next winter: just replace them 
and see.   Brake pads, after all, are meant to be a replacement item, 
not a permanent fixture (no matter that on some bikes they seem to live 
forever).



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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud & Brooks Ti & Cambium Saddles, Ortlieb, Tubus, Challenge, SPD Shoes/Pedals

[Jack K]

Forgot to attach photos showing saddles to my original FS post, but here ya 
go!  Happy to provide detailed pics of anything, just ask.

Cheers,

-Jack



Raleigh, NC

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 12:29:47 AM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> Hi RBW-folk,
>
> iBOB is my usual bicycle discussion home on the web, but I lurk here as 
> well and post on occasion. Continuing to sell anything bicycle related in 
> my garage that's not currently rigidly attached to a bicycle. Today's batch 
> of bargains include
>
> *Saddles:*
>
>-  *NEW Ti Brooks B15 Swallow*: Brown, titanium rails, includes only 
>new saddle still mounted on display card, no other paraphernalia. This 
> one: 
>http://tinyurl.com/jxflswg   *$275 + $10 shipping*
>-  *NEW Berthoud Aspin*: New, in original box. Dark brown, very thick 
>leather. This one: http://tinyurl.com/j85ac3a*$180 + $10 shipping*
>- *EC Brooks C17 Cambium Saddle:* Slate color, in original box, very 
>slight use (maybe 75 miles). This actually worked quite well for me, but 
>not as good as some other saddles I was testing at the same time. No 
>scuffs, scrapes, abrasions or sweat stains. This guy: 
>http://tinyurl.com/glpkr6g   *$115 + $10 shipping* 
>- *EC Ti Brooks Team Professional: *Black with large copper rivets, 
>only slight signs of use, copper rivets still shiny, no scuffs, scraps or 
>signs of breaking in. Titanium rails make it surprisingly light. 
>Purchased on iBOB a couple of years ago, but never used, as I had found 
>other good options. This one: http://tinyurl.com/hnpjwfx*$175 + 
>$10 shipping*
>- *EC+ Ti Fizik Arione Classic: *All black, titanium rails (248 grams 
>on my scale), used on two rides, certainly less than 75 miles total. 
> Pretty 
>much indistinguishable from new, except for slight loss of “Arione” 
>lettering screened onto side of saddle from thigh rub. Was suggested on 
>iBOB a few years back, but didn’t work for me. This one: 
>http://tinyurl.com/hpy9x5a   *$80 + $10 shipping*
>- *EC Ti Fizik Aliante Carbon Twin Flex: *All black, titanium rails 
>and carbon shell with carbon/gel trampoline for support (246 grams on my 
>scale), this precise model doesn’t appear to be available anymore. Highly 
>recommended on iBOB and actually worked very well for me over a few 
> hundred 
>miles of use, but I’m using other things now. Very slight marks on rubber 
>side bumpers, no other obvious signs of use except some loss of  “Aliante” 
>lettering screened onto side of saddle from thigh rub.  *$80 + $10 
>shipping*
>
> *Bags and Racks:*
>
>- *NEW Carradice Super-C Saddlepack*:  Mounts to saddle rails, not the 
>transverse style of Carradice bag. Black waterproof cotton duck, lotsa 
>reflective material, 8 liter capacity, This guy: 
>http://tinyurl.com/gwy4mny   *$65*
>- *New Ortlieb Back & Front-Roller Classic Panniers Complete Set *
>*(Black)*:  FrontRollers are new-in-box, while Back-Rollers are used, 
>but out of their box. Back-Rollers were stuffed with pillows, ridden 
>around the block and stored in my garage, so have light dust.  
> Back-Rollers 
>have the hook inserts to fit Tubus diameter racks installed, but I think 
>there was another set of inserts which I have not located. I noticed a 
>used set of these sold on iBOB for $295 last month.  Someone please go 
>touring with these for *$265 + shipping*
>- *New Ortlieb Bike & Sport-Packer Plus Panniers Complete Set** 
>(Yellow/Black):*  Very visible yellow color is no longer available. 
>Like these, with QL2 mounting system: http://tinyurl.com/gt9rmvt  
>   Total retail is $450.   
> *$340 + shipping *
>- *New Tubus Cosmo Stainless Rear Rack* (with low rider mounts): 
>Installed, then removed without ever having a pannier mounted on it. 
>Original version of the Cosmo, so looks like this: 
>http://www.therandonneeshop.com/medi...ubus_Cosmo.jpg 
>
> 
>   
>Included is the $13 Tubus "Lower Rack Mounting Kit", which can be used to 
>position the rack slightly further back to increase clearance for heels or 
>disc brakes, or help on bikes with shortish chainstays. Paid $210+$13=$223 
>at TheTouringStore.Com; say *$165* + shipping for everything.
>
> *Other Good Stuff:*
>
>
>- *NEW Challenge Strada Bianca Open Tubular 700x30c Tires (a pair, one 
>bike’s worth): *Supple, handmade “open tubulars” that measure more 
>like 32-33mm 

Re: [RBW] Three Things

[Steve Palincsar]

You know, more folks probably know the term in a very different context 
than a tandem




and he may just have thought he was being propositioned...

On 06/06/2016 03:34 PM, dougP wrote:
"...then walked up to my husband, who was minding his own business 
getting ready for work, and said “HubbahHubbah.” His eyes lit up so 
I’ll take it he knows I mean we should plunk down big $ on a tandem. 
Ask for forgiveness instead of permission???"


Oh, you wicked woman!  Taking bets now on who's captain & who's stoker.

dougP

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 8:08:34 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:

Mark - I love the Surly racks you mentioned! I don’t at all think
the 8 pack rack is overkill - I actually prefer the 24 pack rack!
I’m in the process of finding out whether it’s for sale yet or
not. I’ll call a dealer this morning.

To those of you who explained about having the bars high - I’m
going to lower them and ride his bike today. I’m very curious to
see if that really makes a difference. Seems to good and simple to
be true. And indeed he might notice and insist I put them back. He
does love The Seated Command Position.

I’ll report back about his friction shifting abilities on the
Betty Foy, but you’ll have to wait until evening for THAT, because
that’s when we have The Evening Constitutional.

Michael - the tandem. I read this and then walked up to my
husband, who was minding his own business getting ready for work,
and said “HubbahHubbah.” His eyes lit up so I’ll take it he knows
I mean we should plunk down big $ on a tandem. Ask for forgiveness
instead of permission???

On Jun 6, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

Leah, it sounds like you guys are ready for a tandem.  The only
significant difference I can see in his set up is the higher
bars.  As you raise the stem the angle of the head tube pushes
 the handle bars back toward the seat.  The other possibility is
your body proportions.  Again, can't tell from the photo, but
just because he has longer legs, doesn't mean he has a loner
torso or a more forward comfort position..

I'm putting together a Chevy-ut for my daughter and even though
it is one size smaller than Riv's suggestion there is virtually
no seat post showing and a good fit to the drop bars.

Enjoy the ride.
Michael

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 5:20:18 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:

This post is a collection of questions and thoughts. I'm
trying to consolidate into just the one post, so sorry if it
seems disjointed - I thought maybe one post would be
preferable to three.

1. First question: Why does my  6 ft husband's 52 cm Clem
seem too small and confined to me, who is 5'6"?

You may remember my zany husband who got a Clem around
Christmastime. It was a memorable experience, let me tell
you. He isn't Rivy at all, so this was quite the leap for
him, and he settled on "matching" his bike to mine more than
any other inspiration. We've been having a wonderful time
with our bikes, not many lengthy rides, but rather, we do
this great thing he calls "Our Evening Constitutional." Every
night after dinner, we put on our matching Keens, our
matching RayBans, and we take our Rivendell bikes and cruise
around the neighborhood and through the park at our leisure.
Our kids are big enough to stay home, and we feel like we are
really getting away with something. We chat, we laugh, we
congratulate ourselves on our fantastic bikes and reflect on
12 years of marriage. This is the kind of date I recommend.

But I digress.

One night we decided to switch bikes. I'd made some minor
adjustments to his saddle and bars for him and wanted to test
them. Secondly, I wanted to gaze upon my lovely Betty Foy
while he rode it. (You never get to appreciate how great your
own bike looks when you're on it!) I was really expecting his
bike to be large and unwieldy but I was shocked to discover
it felt cramped! I felt like the bars were squirrely, and
that my butt should be way farther back. I wanted to be more
stretched out. Now, I have albatross bars and he has whatever
the Clems came with, but how can it make that much difference?

I told him I didn't like his "sit up and beg" positioning. He
retorted, "It is not. It's the 'seated command' position."
Then I rolled my eyes.

I tried grabbing his bars so I was more stretched out. No
improvement. His sprung Brooks is pushed all the way back on
its rails. Is this how the Clem is supposed to feel? Am I
just too used to the Betty Foy? I really thought lggg
chainstays would make a huge difference, but there I was -
cramped. I 

Re: Brake squeal (segway from: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv)

[Garth]

Yes, Patrick mine as I recall are prone to squeal in the cold but not 
always. As for mileage it would be meaningless to give any number as the 
variables of conditions/frequency of use/etc. are innumerable. 

What you may try is some light sand paper on the pads until all the shiny 
is gone so the pad looks "fresh".  Can pads be "too old" ?  I doubt it age 
has anything to do with the noise. 

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Re: [RBW] Three Things

[dougP]

"...then walked up to my husband, who was minding his own business getting 
ready for work, and said “HubbahHubbah.” His eyes lit up so I’ll take it he 
knows I mean we should plunk down big $ on a tandem. Ask for forgiveness 
instead of permission???"

Oh, you wicked woman!  Taking bets now on who's captain & who's stoker.  

dougP

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 8:08:34 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Mark - I love the Surly racks you mentioned! I don’t at all think the 8 
> pack rack is overkill - I actually prefer the 24 pack rack! I’m in the 
> process of finding out whether it’s for sale yet or not. I’ll call a dealer 
> this morning. 
>
> To those of you who explained about having the bars high - I’m going to 
> lower them and ride his bike today. I’m very curious to see if that really 
> makes a difference. Seems to good and simple to be true. And indeed he 
> might notice and insist I put them back. He does love The Seated Command 
> Position.
>
> I’ll report back about his friction shifting abilities on the Betty Foy, 
> but you’ll have to wait until evening for THAT, because that’s when we have 
> The Evening Constitutional. 
>
> Michael - the tandem. I read this and then walked up to my husband, who 
> was minding his own business getting ready for work, and said 
> “HubbahHubbah.” His eyes lit up so I’ll take it he knows I mean we should 
> plunk down big $ on a tandem. Ask for forgiveness instead of permission???
>
> On Jun 6, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Michael Hechmer  > wrote:
>
> Leah, it sounds like you guys are ready for a tandem.  The only 
> significant difference I can see in his set up is the higher bars.  As you 
> raise the stem the angle of the head tube pushes  the handle bars back 
> toward the seat.  The other possibility is your body proportions.  Again, 
> can't tell from the photo, but just because he has longer legs, doesn't 
> mean he has a loner torso or a more forward comfort position..
>
> I'm putting together a Chevy-ut for my daughter and even though it is one 
> size smaller than Riv's suggestion there is virtually no seat post showing 
> and a good fit to the drop bars.
>
> Enjoy the ride.
> Michael
>
> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 5:20:18 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> This post is a collection of questions and thoughts. I'm trying to 
>> consolidate into just the one post, so sorry if it seems disjointed - I 
>> thought maybe one post would be preferable to three.
>>
>> 1. First question: Why does my  6 ft husband's 52 cm Clem seem too small 
>> and confined to me, who is 5'6"?
>>
>> You may remember my zany husband who got a Clem around Christmastime. It 
>> was a memorable experience, let me tell you. He isn't Rivy at all, so this 
>> was quite the leap for him, and he settled on "matching" his bike to mine 
>> more than any other inspiration. We've been having a wonderful time with 
>> our bikes, not many lengthy rides, but rather, we do this great thing he 
>> calls "Our Evening Constitutional." Every night after dinner, we put on our 
>> matching Keens, our matching RayBans, and we take our Rivendell bikes and 
>> cruise around the neighborhood and through the park at our leisure. Our 
>> kids are big enough to stay home, and we feel like we are really getting 
>> away with something. We chat, we laugh, we congratulate ourselves on our 
>> fantastic bikes and reflect on 12 years of marriage. This is the kind of 
>> date I recommend. 
>>
>> But I digress.
>>
>> One night we decided to switch bikes. I'd made some minor adjustments to 
>> his saddle and bars for him and wanted to test them. Secondly, I wanted to 
>> gaze upon my lovely Betty Foy while he rode it. (You never get to 
>> appreciate how great your own bike looks when you're on it!) I was really 
>> expecting his bike to be large and unwieldy but I was shocked to discover 
>> it felt cramped! I felt like the bars were squirrely, and that my butt 
>> should be way farther back. I wanted to be more stretched out. Now, I have 
>> albatross bars and he has whatever the Clems came with, but how can it make 
>> that much difference? 
>>
>> I told him I didn't like his "sit up and beg" positioning. He retorted, 
>> "It is not. It's the 'seated command' position." Then I rolled my eyes. 
>>
>> I tried grabbing his bars so I was more stretched out. No improvement. 
>> His sprung Brooks is pushed all the way back on its rails. Is this how the 
>> Clem is supposed to feel? Am I just too used to the Betty Foy? I really 
>> thought lggg chainstays would make a huge difference, but there I 
>> was - cramped. I knew if I came to you, you all would tell me why. 
>>
>> I felt so disappointed because I was hoping his bike would be as 
>> good/even better than mine. The way I see it, my bike is perfect. I feel 
>> like the bike is part of ME. I get on it and there's nothing I could do to 
>> make it more comfortable. I don't even think about comfort. I fret a little 
>> about the dings in the paint and wish 

[RBW] Re: Drop bars on Roadeo demos. Which make/model?

[CMR]

Thanks for sharing, David!

These look like a great bar to try out, modern shape yet classic looks.

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Re: [RBW] Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Lungimsam]

Sometimes on descents I get my chain all whacky because with the wind in my 
ears I cannot hear the drivetrain enough to ensure clean friction shifts. Funny 
how much audio feedback one relys on for shifting.

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Re: Brake squeal (segway from: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv)

[Patrick Moore]

I like them for their dry weather stopping power, too, and that they are
the least abrasive is another big plus. Do yours ever squeal?

Do mine squeal when cold simply because they are old?

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 06/06/2016 01:11 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, all. I didn't realize that black was the Kool Stop standard and
>> that salmon is for wet weather. I'll remember that when the temps drop
>> again.
>>
>
> Well, for wet weather surely -- when they tested brake pads back must be
> 20 years ago and more now, they beat everything else hands down in the wet
> -- but they also were better for braking in the dry and for having less rim
> abrasion than everything else they tested. That's why I use them all year
> round... and also because the color looks so good on a black bike...
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: BBs, brake calipers, "time trial" or reverse brake levers, M 324 pedals

[Patrick Moore]

Whoopsie! The Soma Fab Silvers are 73 mm; mine are 57.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Am interested in trade/part trade for a clamp on, 31.8 mm diam shifter
> boss.
>
> Prices do *not* include shipping.
>
> Photos below.
>
> 1. 68 mm/113 mm Phil bb, used spindle, brand new cartridge -- 0 miles --
> with steel cups: $70.
>
> 2. 68mm/113 mm Shimano bb, metal cups, used but still good (OEM on Sam
> Hill): $30.
>
> 3. M 324 pedals $25.
>
> 4. Dia Compe 188 reverse levers, vg, $25.
>
> 5. Rivendell Silver  standard reach brakes with original cartridge pads,
> $50. BUT!!! see the photo which shows how I filed the *REAR* arch a wee
> bit in a vain attempt to get a wee bit more fender clearance. I did this
> only on the *REAR* caliper, and I believe that this caliper is perfectly
> safe. YMMV. This was a silly thing to do in retrospect, but there ya go.
> $110 for these brakes at Somafab.
>
> 6. Coming soon: 68/108 Phil bb, used, alum cups, $40.
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS : Price Drop : 60cm SimpleOne / Multi-Speed Mods / Clear Powdercoat

[S. Greco]

Complete bike for $1250
Shipped with everything.
Newish Honey/Brown B17
Silver Paul Components cantilever brakes and levers. 
You can take your pick of bars from 44cm Noodles, MAP Ahearnes, or 
Albatrosses. 
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[RBW] Anybody not receiving RBW digest emails?

[Howard Hatten]

The last e mail I received was on Thursday 

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Re: [RBW] Where to buy RBW Summer Gloves now that they are gone?

[Ken Mattina]

My hands are regular and the medium gloves fit me fine.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:19 AM, John Phillips 
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> Ken,   Do those Veeka gloves fit true to size, or do you recommend buying
> up or down a size or two?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 9:28:05 PM UTC-7, Ken Mattina wrote:
>>
>> http://veeka.cc/usa/product-category/gloves/
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 9:54 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Planet Bike has similar gloves. I would never had gotten them but my
>>> brother in law gave them as a gift. Nice gloves!
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Re: [RBW] Where to buy RBW Summer Gloves now that they are gone?

[Ken Mattina]

No terry on these gloves.

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> My hands are regular and the medium gloves fit me fine.
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:19 AM, John Phillips 
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>
>> Ken,   Do those Veeka gloves fit true to size, or do you recommend buying
>> up or down a size or two?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 9:28:05 PM UTC-7, Ken Mattina wrote:
>>>
>>> http://veeka.cc/usa/product-category/gloves/
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 9:54 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>>>
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[RBW] FS: Phil Wood, VO, Carradice, Pasela & More

[DB]

The following items are for sale.  Pick up in the East Bay is preferred but 
I'm willing to ship anywhere in the US if you pick up the costs.  Photos 
here: https://goo.gl/photos/TG72CVfVPdjMHm2m7

Phil Wood 123 mm, square taper BB (used, thousands of miles of life left in 
it): 60
Velo Orange Randonneur Rack (used): $40
4 Brand New 26x1.5 Panaracer Pasela tires (wire bead): $20 each
Carradice Bagman Quick Release (used, missing jubilee clip): $25
No name saddlebag support: $5
Fizik Aliante saddle (used): $25
Sigma Sport 1600 wireless computer (used): $10
Knog Wireless computer (used- pink) $10
Garmin silicone case for Edge 520: Free with any of the above items



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Re: Brake squeal (segway from: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv)

[Patrick Moore]

Ron and Garth: My salmons -- all ancient -- worked quietly for years in all
temperatures on the same rims; they only started squealing during the cold
months of 2014 or so. They squealed when the rims were cleaned and they
squealed when the rims were left alone -- loud, embarrassing, banshee
shrieks under hard braking. Perhaps it's just age? I have no idea how many
thousands of miles are on these 2 prs of pads.

And above 40*F these same pads on the same rims didn't squeal. All very
odd. And they stop fine, noise or no noise -- I never considered them
grabby.

But the weatherpersons say it will approach 98 today, so I guess I can
procrastinate for a while.

Another question: how many miles do all y'all get from your front brake
pads? Mine seem to be permanent, non-wearing, rather like a frame tube or
seatpost.

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Re: [RBW] VO heads up

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm pretty sure it goes on top in all cases, Rene. I also usually do the 
underside of my Brooks's. But the VO underside is some kind of synthetic, 
so I am skipping it.

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 12:09:59 AM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> I just read that the proofide goes in the underside of the leather, not on 
> top as I thought. Have to remember where I read it. 
>
> René
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> If anybody ordered the VO Model 8 sprung in black and decides they don't 
>> want it, I will be happy to buy it. I saw the sale, snoozed for a day, they 
>> are now out of stock. By the way, does anyone have a theory on whether to 
>> put the saddle treatment on the bottom of these? I do it on all my Brooks, 
>> but this is some kind of soaked resin.
>>
>> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 7:55:21 AM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:
>>>
>>> I jumped on one of those VO saddles a couple years ago for $50. It 
>>> looked so nice I had to try it. The leather was very stiff.  I was never 
>>> able to get it to break in so I gave it away. 
>>>
>>> Howard
>>> Livonia Mi
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Re: Brake squeal (segway from: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/06/2016 01:11 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Thanks, all. I didn't realize that black was the Kool Stop standard 
and that salmon is for wet weather. I'll remember that when the temps 
drop again.


Well, for wet weather surely -- when they tested brake pads back must be 
20 years ago and more now, they beat everything else hands down in the 
wet -- but they also were better for braking in the dry and for having 
less rim abrasion than everything else they tested. That's why I use 
them all year round... and also because the color looks so good on a 
black bike...


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[RBW] Anybody not receiving RBW digest emails?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Or is it just me? I have it set, as always, to the digest form. Double 
checked, still set to that. But I have not received an RBW email for almost 
a week. Not being diverted to my spam, either. Hope it wasn't something I 
wrote!

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Re: Brake squeal (segway from: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv)

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. I didn't realize that black was the Kool Stop standard and
that salmon is for wet weather. I'll remember that when the temps drop
again.

I found this in case others are not aware of the model lineup and purposes.

http://www.koolstop.com/english/compounds.html

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I don't use centerpulls, cantilevers, or V brakes, and the only rim brakes
> I have are high quality, cold forged single pivot sidepulls (wait -- the
> very possibly not-cold-forged cheap Tektros on the Dahon are dual pivot) --
> anyway, about squeal: For the last 2 or 3 years the single pivot fronts on
> both road bikes, both with Matthauser or Kool Stop salmon pads, start
> squealing when the temperatures drop down toward 40*F. Sanding the pads,
> cleaning the rims and pads with alcohol, don't stop it.
>
> When the temperature rises once again, the squeal goes away.
>
> The rims in both cases were or are* old Sun semi aeros: M14A and 571
> ME14A, the only difference being, as far as I can see, that the MEs have
> eyelets while the M's don't.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> * This query may be moot or at least academic, in that earlier this year,
> after the cold months, I had the 650C ME14As rebuilt with 559 M14As, so I
> could use the Compass Elk Passes. But the point remains, that these rims
> are almost identical.
>
> Patrick Moore, who does get squeal also with his BB7s, but only after the
> discs and pads get thoroughly dusty, in hot and dry and dusty ABQ, NM
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Three Things

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I second the notion of a HubbahHubbah tandem for you guys. 

I got my 8 pack from Modernbike.com, as the shops that stock decent racks 
are few and far between in these parts. I've had no problems with them, and 
they offer free shipping. Unfortunately, they are currently out of stock on 
both the 8 and 24, in both silver and black. Might take a little hunting to 
find one.

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 9:17:31 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Leah, it sounds like you guys are ready for a tandem.  The only 
> significant difference I can see in his set up is the higher bars.  As you 
> raise the stem the angle of the head tube pushes  the handle bars back 
> toward the seat.  The other possibility is your body proportions.  Again, 
> can't tell from the photo, but just because he has longer legs, doesn't 
> mean he has a loner torso or a more forward comfort position..
>
> I'm putting together a Chevy-ut for my daughter and even though it is one 
> size smaller than Riv's suggestion there is virtually no seat post showing 
> and a good fit to the drop bars.
>
> Enjoy the ride.
> Michael
>
> O
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Re: [RBW] Tubeless 24 pound Sam Hillborne, plus "how to easily QR your CX70 brakes"

[Bill Lindsay]

Good eye Tarik, as usual. Yes that is a Haulin' Colin. I picked it up second 
hand from a rack-addict that had ordered it custom. One of these days I will 
get it powder coated. 

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Re: [RBW] Tubeless 24 pound Sam Hillborne, plus "how to easily QR your CX70 brakes"

[tarik saleh]

Sweet little hack Bill, is that a haulin colin rack?  bike looks nice with
those tires on it.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I built a road wheelset around the HED Belgium C2 Plus rims, wanting to
> get the plumpest tubeless road tires on my road bike.  It turns out I went
> too wide, both in the tire and in the rim, and it just was not going to
> work.  I took a half-step down in rim width to the normal HED Belgium C2 on
> the road bike.  The happy consequence was my Hillborne got a nice wheel
> upgrade, and now sports Compass Barlow Pass Extralights, tubeless, and now
> weighs 24 pounds.
>
> Tubeless Hillborne
> 
>
> In the process of wanting to run really fat tires on a roadish bike, I
> decided I wanted cantilever brakes that would open WIDE, so I picked up a
> set of Shimano CX70 brakes here on the list, only to find how hard it is to
> actually QR them.  It's quite difficult to get the cable head out of it's
> little receptacle.  I suspect that might have been part of why the seller
> sold them.  Anyway, I stared and thought, and cogitated, deliberated, and
> ruminated, and came up with a solution.  First, here's a photo of the cable
> end we're talking about:
>
> CX70 brake 
>
> The issue is that the cylindrical head fits into the ROUND recess in the
> front part of the brake arm, and there's a LONG finger on the back part.
> Un-modified you have to have enough slack to get the cable part all the way
> around that back finger, so the cylindrical head can pop out.
>
> My modification involved filing the front face of that cylinder.  I
> tapered the non-load bearing end quite a bit so now you can push the cable
> straight down (in-line with the cable itself) and the cylindrical head just
> pops out of that round hole, and frees right up.
>
> Close-up of the mod
> 
>
> So, if you are like me and bought CX70s for the express purpose of being
> able to remove fat-tired wheels without deflating a tire, and you are like
> me and dislike how hard it is to QR your CX70s, then consider this mod.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Tubeless 24 pound Sam Hillborne, plus "how to easily QR your CX70 brakes"

[RichS]

Bill, that's a neat workaround. I too have CX-70s on my Atlantis. Love the 
brakes but same issue with releasing to remove a wheel. Thanks for sharing!
Awesome looking Sam too. Love it!

Kind regards,
Richard

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 5:50:41 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I built a road wheelset around the HED Belgium C2 Plus rims, wanting to 
> get the plumpest tubeless road tires on my road bike.  It turns out I went 
> too wide, both in the tire and in the rim, and it just was not going to 
> work.  I took a half-step down in rim width to the normal HED Belgium C2 on 
> the road bike.  The happy consequence was my Hillborne got a nice wheel 
> upgrade, and now sports Compass Barlow Pass Extralights, tubeless, and now 
> weighs 24 pounds.
>
> Tubeless Hillborne 
> 
>
> In the process of wanting to run really fat tires on a roadish bike, I 
> decided I wanted cantilever brakes that would open WIDE, so I picked up a 
> set of Shimano CX70 brakes here on the list, only to find how hard it is to 
> actually QR them.  It's quite difficult to get the cable head out of it's 
> little receptacle.  I suspect that might have been part of why the seller 
> sold them.  Anyway, I stared and thought, and cogitated, deliberated, and 
> ruminated, and came up with a solution.  First, here's a photo of the cable 
> end we're talking about:
>
> CX70 brake 
>
> The issue is that the cylindrical head fits into the ROUND recess in the 
> front part of the brake arm, and there's a LONG finger on the back part.  
> Un-modified you have to have enough slack to get the cable part all the way 
> around that back finger, so the cylindrical head can pop out.  
>
> My modification involved filing the front face of that cylinder.  I 
> tapered the non-load bearing end quite a bit so now you can push the cable 
> straight down (in-line with the cable itself) and the cylindrical head just 
> pops out of that round hole, and frees right up.  
>
> Close-up of the mod 
> 
>
> So, if you are like me and bought CX70s for the express purpose of being 
> able to remove fat-tired wheels without deflating a tire, and you are like 
> me and dislike how hard it is to QR your CX70s, then consider this mod.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: Brake squeal (segway from: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv)

[Ron Mc]

My experience is cleaning of the rims makes them squeal until you get a new 
pad-wear deposit on the rim.  

Rather than sanding, I would be going with new pads, especially Kool Stop, 
to get the new self-adjusting toe that's designed into them.  

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Re: [RBW] Where to buy RBW Summer Gloves now that they are gone?

[John Phillips]

Ken,   Do those Veeka gloves fit true to size, or do you recommend buying 
up or down a size or two?

Thanks,

John

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 9:28:05 PM UTC-7, Ken Mattina wrote:
>
> http://veeka.cc/usa/product-category/gloves/
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 9:54 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Planet Bike has similar gloves. I would never had gotten them but my 
>> brother in law gave them as a gift. Nice gloves!
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Re: Brake squeal (segway from: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv)

[Garth]

 FWI, KS salmon pads are the only pad I have used in decades of using 
cantilevers that have squealed. They seem to be most prone to this from my 
experience with new rims and new pads. Very grabby. My suggestion is don't 
clean the rims with anything but water and vinegar as needed, and not to 
the point of super clean, just a quick clean to remove some residue 
sometimes. Nothing squeaky clean !  

   I just about gave up on salmons on the Bombadil but instead just said f' 
it and rode on. Whaddaya know it just went away. Once in a while they make 
some noise in certain climatic conditions but only briefly and not as bad 
was when new with new rims, that was other worldly loud !  

   My next pads may be SwissStop green as now that I've tried salmons on 2 
bikes I would call them a bit overrated compared to their blacks or red. 

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[RBW] Re: Drop bars on Roadeo demos. Which make/model?

[David Banzer]

I emailed Mark and he promptly responded:

Those are the M151F bars from Nitto.  Not sure if we will stock them, but 
our local wholesaler (Merry Sales) has them and we can order as needed.  
Retail on these is probably around $60.

Details:  Compact bar with front indent cable routing.  Sleeved center in 
26.0mm or 31.8mm.  Reach 76mm, Drop 128mm.  Sizes 36cm - 46cm in 2cm 
increments.  Weight 340g - 380g





On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 10:55:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
> It's probably not a Hwy One, but why pay more for the same bar considering 
> that the Hwy One bar is an extremely durable bar. There's a connection 
> between SOMA and Riv. 
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 8:13:49 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> I remember riv talking about developing a drop bar with nitto awhile 
>> back. Could these be it? 
>>
>> Definitely not a soma highway as it has the nitto stamp sleeves at the 
>> bar clamp
>>
>

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Re: Brake squeal (segway from: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv)

[Brian Campbell]

Switch to black Kool Stops. Less grabby and less squeal.

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 3:50:36 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I don't use centerpulls, cantilevers, or V brakes, and the only rim brakes 
> I have are high quality, cold forged single pivot sidepulls (wait -- the 
> very possibly not-cold-forged cheap Tektros on the Dahon are dual pivot) -- 
> anyway, about squeal: For the last 2 or 3 years the single pivot fronts on 
> both road bikes, both with Matthauser or Kool Stop salmon pads, start 
> squealing when the temperatures drop down toward 40*F. Sanding the pads, 
> cleaning the rims and pads with alcohol, don't stop it.
>
> When the temperature rises once again, the squeal goes away.
>
> The rims in both cases were or are* old Sun semi aeros: M14A and 571 
> ME14A, the only difference being, as far as I can see, that the MEs have 
> eyelets while the M's don't.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> * This query may be moot or at least academic, in that earlier this year, 
> after the cold months, I had the 650C ME14As rebuilt with 559 M14As, so I 
> could use the Compass Elk Passes. But the point remains, that these rims 
> are almost identical.
>
> Patrick Moore, who does get squeal also with his BB7s, but only after the 
> discs and pads get thoroughly dusty, in hot and dry and dusty ABQ, NM
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>> I can virtually induce squeal on demand on four of my bikes.  All I need 
>> to do is let my hands get a little dirty or greasy and then touch the rims, 
>> or get a stray drop of T9 on the rim while lubricating the chain.  Two of 
>> those are centerpulls, one RAID and one Paul Racer; the other two are 
>> cantilever, one classic long arm XT, the other Avid Shorty 4.  The 
>> field-expedient cure in all cases is to squirt some water on the pads and 
>> the rims, and then ride for a bit with the brakes on hard.  This wipes the 
>> schmutz off the rims.
>>
>> I've tried that on other people's bikes, too: stopped once to take a 
>> break on the little bridge next to the Eisenhower farm up in Gettysburg one 
>> time and along comes this guy on a rusty old touring bike, brakes squealing 
>> like banshees loosed upon the world, and I stopped him and said for God's 
>> sake let me try to quiet that hdious shrieking.  A couple of squirts, 
>> rode once down the length of the bridge, and blissful peace and quiet.  So 
>> it's not just mine that respond to this.
>>
>> The comment re: precise location of the braze-on posts is a restatement 
>> of something Jan said in a discussion of the Compass brakes, and why there 
>> is no toe-in adjustment, to the effect that the builder should set the 
>> location of the pad correctly by proper and perfect placement of the posts 
>> while brazing them on.  Can't recall where this was, probably on the iBOB 
>> list but possibly here or in the blog, time frame certainly within the past 
>> 30-45 days.  Don't have time to hunt for it now.
>>
>> If I had to do it again, I'd get brazed-on centerpulls on my MAP.  That 
>> wasn't on offer when I got it, although evidently a couple of people that 
>> year pleaded and begged and talked Mitch into doing it for their bikes; 
>> subsequently it became a standard feature.  I'm not sure if I'd have done 
>> it then had I known, because I had the canti brakes, take-offs from my 
>> Saluki, along with the wheels and the entire drivetrain, and at that moment 
>> I felt as though I had to put a cap on the cost of the bike.  Today, I'd 
>> just go for it and let the (financial) chips fall where they may.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/05/2016 12:45 PM, William deRosset wrote:
>>
>> re: squeal on brazed-on centerpulls:
>>
>> Dear Steve,
>>
>> In my experience, it is related to the amount of slop in the pivot and 
>> how much toe-in is required to offset that slop. Misalignment of the brakes 
>> make setup harder, too. 
>>
>> The MAFAC brakes had a lot of play in their pivots--the plastic bushings 
>> were worse than the brass ones given the deformation under load, but harder 
>> to set up given that you have to offset the extra deformation when toeing 
>> the brakes in.
>>
>> Once toed-in appropriately they all seem to play well. My Alex Singer was 
>> toed-in by the builder, and never made a peep; my René Herse brakes howled 
>> until I (who assembled the bike) took a crescent wrench to the arms. My 
>> brother's Kelpie (Dia-Compe 610s) required no modification at all to be 
>> silent.  
>>
>> The Paul brakes have a fair bit of play in their adjustable pivots, and 
>> required an exaggerated toe-in to (mostly) eliminate it. The sticky Salmon 
>> pads don't help (but improve ultimate braking capacity). 
>>
>> The Compass brakes have less play in the pivots than do any of the MAFAC, 
>> Paul, or Dia-Compe/Weinmann brakes I've had to mess with, and, assuming the 
>> pivots are properly brazed (the tolerances are tight for brazed-on 
>> centerpulls vs a cantilever brake), they don't 

Re: [RBW] Three Things

[Leah Peterson]

Mark - I love the Surly racks you mentioned! I don’t at all think the 8 pack 
rack is overkill - I actually prefer the 24 pack rack! I’m in the process of 
finding out whether it’s for sale yet or not. I’ll call a dealer this morning. 

To those of you who explained about having the bars high - I’m going to lower 
them and ride his bike today. I’m very curious to see if that really makes a 
difference. Seems to good and simple to be true. And indeed he might notice and 
insist I put them back. He does love The Seated Command Position.

I’ll report back about his friction shifting abilities on the Betty Foy, but 
you’ll have to wait until evening for THAT, because that’s when we have The 
Evening Constitutional. 

Michael - the tandem. I read this and then walked up to my husband, who was 
minding his own business getting ready for work, and said “HubbahHubbah.” His 
eyes lit up so I’ll take it he knows I mean we should plunk down big $ on a 
tandem. Ask for forgiveness instead of permission???
> On Jun 6, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> 
> Leah, it sounds like you guys are ready for a tandem.  The only significant 
> difference I can see in his set up is the higher bars.  As you raise the stem 
> the angle of the head tube pushes  the handle bars back toward the seat.  The 
> other possibility is your body proportions.  Again, can't tell from the 
> photo, but just because he has longer legs, doesn't mean he has a loner torso 
> or a more forward comfort position..
> 
> I'm putting together a Chevy-ut for my daughter and even though it is one 
> size smaller than Riv's suggestion there is virtually no seat post showing 
> and a good fit to the drop bars.
> 
> Enjoy the ride.
> Michael
> 
> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 5:20:18 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
> This post is a collection of questions and thoughts. I'm trying to 
> consolidate into just the one post, so sorry if it seems disjointed - I 
> thought maybe one post would be preferable to three.
> 1. First question: Why does my  6 ft husband's 52 cm Clem seem too small and 
> confined to me, who is 5'6"?
> 
> You may remember my zany husband who got a Clem around Christmastime. It was 
> a memorable experience, let me tell you. He isn't Rivy at all, so this was 
> quite the leap for him, and he settled on "matching" his bike to mine more 
> than any other inspiration. We've been having a wonderful time with our 
> bikes, not many lengthy rides, but rather, we do this great thing he calls 
> "Our Evening Constitutional." Every night after dinner, we put on our 
> matching Keens, our matching RayBans, and we take our Rivendell bikes and 
> cruise around the neighborhood and through the park at our leisure. Our kids 
> are big enough to stay home, and we feel like we are really getting away with 
> something. We chat, we laugh, we congratulate ourselves on our fantastic 
> bikes and reflect on 12 years of marriage. This is the kind of date I 
> recommend.
> 
> But I digress.
> 
> One night we decided to switch bikes. I'd made some minor adjustments to his 
> saddle and bars for him and wanted to test them. Secondly, I wanted to gaze 
> upon my lovely Betty Foy while he rode it. (You never get to appreciate how 
> great your own bike looks when you're on it!) I was really expecting his bike 
> to be large and unwieldy but I was shocked to discover it felt cramped! I 
> felt like the bars were squirrely, and that my butt should be way farther 
> back. I wanted to be more stretched out. Now, I have albatross bars and he 
> has whatever the Clems came with, but how can it make that much difference?
> 
> I told him I didn't like his "sit up and beg" positioning. He retorted, "It 
> is not. It's the 'seated command' position." Then I rolled my eyes.
> 
> I tried grabbing his bars so I was more stretched out. No improvement. His 
> sprung Brooks is pushed all the way back on its rails. Is this how the Clem 
> is supposed to feel? Am I just too used to the Betty Foy? I really thought 
> lggg chainstays would make a huge difference, but there I was - 
> cramped. I knew if I came to you, you all would tell me why.
> 
> I felt so disappointed because I was hoping his bike would be as good/even 
> better than mine. The way I see it, my bike is perfect. I feel like the bike 
> is part of ME. I get on it and there's nothing I could do to make it more 
> comfortable. I don't even think about comfort. I fret a little about the 
> dings in the paint and wish I had the Big Back Rack to match my Big Front 
> Rack, and I wish that I had the gray medium Saddleback instead of the tan - 
> all stupid cosmetic stuff. But I couldn't be happy on his bike, and that 
> seems odd to me. Rivendells are comfortable and useful. It's their trademark; 
> what am I missing? My husband is not a bike person, so he's just happy 
> cruising around and looking alike. He thinks his bike feels fine, but he 
> calls mine "more plush." He'll happily roll along in 

[RBW] Re: Three Things

[Michael Hechmer]

Leah, it sounds like you guys are ready for a tandem.  The only significant 
difference I can see in his set up is the higher bars.  As you raise the 
stem the angle of the head tube pushes  the handle bars back toward the 
seat.  The other possibility is your body proportions.  Again, can't tell 
from the photo, but just because he has longer legs, doesn't mean he has a 
loner torso or a more forward comfort position..

I'm putting together a Chevy-ut for my daughter and even though it is one 
size smaller than Riv's suggestion there is virtually no seat post showing 
and a good fit to the drop bars.

Enjoy the ride.
Michael

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 5:20:18 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> This post is a collection of questions and thoughts. I'm trying to 
> consolidate into just the one post, so sorry if it seems disjointed - I 
> thought maybe one post would be preferable to three.
>
> 1. First question: Why does my  6 ft husband's 52 cm Clem seem too small 
> and confined to me, who is 5'6"?
>
> You may remember my zany husband who got a Clem around Christmastime. It 
> was a memorable experience, let me tell you. He isn't Rivy at all, so this 
> was quite the leap for him, and he settled on "matching" his bike to mine 
> more than any other inspiration. We've been having a wonderful time with 
> our bikes, not many lengthy rides, but rather, we do this great thing he 
> calls "Our Evening Constitutional." Every night after dinner, we put on our 
> matching Keens, our matching RayBans, and we take our Rivendell bikes and 
> cruise around the neighborhood and through the park at our leisure. Our 
> kids are big enough to stay home, and we feel like we are really getting 
> away with something. We chat, we laugh, we congratulate ourselves on our 
> fantastic bikes and reflect on 12 years of marriage. This is the kind of 
> date I recommend. 
>
> But I digress.
>
> One night we decided to switch bikes. I'd made some minor adjustments to 
> his saddle and bars for him and wanted to test them. Secondly, I wanted to 
> gaze upon my lovely Betty Foy while he rode it. (You never get to 
> appreciate how great your own bike looks when you're on it!) I was really 
> expecting his bike to be large and unwieldy but I was shocked to discover 
> it felt cramped! I felt like the bars were squirrely, and that my butt 
> should be way farther back. I wanted to be more stretched out. Now, I have 
> albatross bars and he has whatever the Clems came with, but how can it make 
> that much difference? 
>
> I told him I didn't like his "sit up and beg" positioning. He retorted, 
> "It is not. It's the 'seated command' position." Then I rolled my eyes. 
>
> I tried grabbing his bars so I was more stretched out. No improvement. His 
> sprung Brooks is pushed all the way back on its rails. Is this how the Clem 
> is supposed to feel? Am I just too used to the Betty Foy? I really thought 
> lggg chainstays would make a huge difference, but there I was - 
> cramped. I knew if I came to you, you all would tell me why. 
>
> I felt so disappointed because I was hoping his bike would be as good/even 
> better than mine. The way I see it, my bike is perfect. I feel like the 
> bike is part of ME. I get on it and there's nothing I could do to make it 
> more comfortable. I don't even think about comfort. I fret a little about 
> the dings in the paint and wish I had the Big Back Rack to match my Big 
> Front Rack, and I wish that I had the gray medium Saddleback instead of the 
> tan - all stupid cosmetic stuff. But I couldn't be happy on his bike, and 
> that seems odd to me. Rivendells are comfortable and useful. It's their 
> trademark; what am I missing? My husband is not a bike person, so he's just 
> happy cruising around and looking alike. He thinks his bike feels fine, but 
> he calls mine "more plush." He'll happily roll along in his "seated 
> command" position regardless of what we say here, but I'm hoping you'll 
> have some rationale. 
>
> 2. It's his birthday next week. Do you remember his obsession with getting 
> a bamboo crate for the front of his Clem? Well, he ordered one from the 
> company Bamboobee on Amazon. They said it would be here anywhere in a 4 
> week timeframe. That timeframe came and went and after a lot of 
> back-and-forth, I was just refunded my money. I want to get him a rack and 
> different crate for his birthday. I have no idea what front rack the Clem 
> takes. Who can say, and does anyone have one for sale on the list? He has 
> the mousetrap rack on the back.
>
> Also, does anyone have a recommendation for a crate? He loved that the 
> Bamboobee looked modern and had a built in cup holder. He envisions himself 
> riding his Clem with this contraption and a handlebar speaker on the beach. 
> He lives in the desert.
>
> 3. His gears ghost shift. And there's lots of chatter in his gears. Is it 
> possible the REI mechanic didn't install the gearing correctly? Do they 
> need adjustment 

Re: [RBW] Three Things

[Philip Kim]

Leah these were Rivendell's "friction" shifters for the Clem and Appaloosa, 
made by Sunrace. They are essentially index parts modded for friction 
shifting. They click, but technically can be friction shift. However, the 
slight index can make it hard to get into the right gear, and can create a 
type of ghost shifting. I test rode an Appaloosa and hated these shifters. 
I would just get him Ultegra bar ends for better shifting.

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 5:25:44 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Those oddball thumbies the Clem came with stock. 
>
> > On Jun 5, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote: 
> > 
> > What shifters do you have? 
> > 
> > On 06/05/2016 05:20 PM, LeahFoy wrote: 
> >> 3. His gears ghost shift. And there's lots of chatter in his gears. Is 
> it possible the REI mechanic didn't install the gearing correctly? Do they 
> need adjustment after a while? 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Patrick Moore]

Well done, and very well written - a pleasure to read.

If your chain "bunched" during high speed descents, that seems to me as if
there is too much drag in the freewheel. I've never had a chain do that.

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 7:53 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm exhilarated at having completed the 72 mile bike ride around Lake
> Tahoe today! I was quite apprehensive last weekend, but then took control
> over my negative thoughts and decided to just ride it and see how far I
> got. And I got to the end!
>
> I drove to LT yesterday and brought my Homer. Just for kicks, the Homer is
> equipped with 35mm Bon Jon tires with latex tubes, Honjo fenders, Compass
> Rando 44mm bars taped with Brooks leather tape, C17 Cambium rust saddle,
> front Sackville Trunksack small, rear Acorn large original tan saddlebag,
> standard Sugino triple crankset 24/36/46 and 9 speed 12-34 cassette (o how
> I love thee), DuraAce down tube shifters and flat pedals.
>
> I transported the bike on my new 1UP 2" Super Duty Single Bike Rack (first
> time I use it) with the adapter for bikes with fenders. The rack is
> outstanding! The bike didn't budge the whole way even when I hit 85+mph on
> the freeway. I also got the extension to be able to carry a second bike,
> but don't need it right now. An additional benefit of the single rack is
> that even when stored up, it doesn't interfere with the trunk door on my
> Highlander. https://www.1upusa.com/product-SDquikracksilver.html
>
> Wasn't sure about how I would do on the ride with my LCHF diet, so after
> mulling my options and getting discouraged to bring hard boiled eggs by a
> friend who said they go bad very quickly and easily, I decided to bring
> sardines in olive oil instead. I got them out of the can and into a ziplock
> bag and brought a spork. I also bought a bag of smoked almonds for the salt
> and taste and backed it all up with a couple of packets of GU chomps, just
> in case.
>
> I only had a black coffee in my room before leaving at 6:06 am and rode
> without eating anything for the first two hours, including the Emerald Bay
> climb. At hour two I decided to start taking the GU chomps (only one at a
> time) to ensure I had enough carb support and wouldn't bonk later on.
> Honestly, I think I could have done without them, at least until the second
> half of the ride when the climb to Spooner almost got me. I refilled my
> water bottles with just plain water at the first rest stop and had a banana
> on the second rest stop as well as a handful of almonds. On the third rest
> stop (lunch rest stop) at mile 42 I had my sardines with just some water
> and promptly continued. There's a water stop half-way up the climb to
> Spooner at mile 54 which I almost thought I wouldn't make. I had more Gu
> chomps (I had been eating them throughout the ride), but had to stop
> regularly during the climb. The sun was hot, my Garmin read all the way up
> to 107.4 degrees and there was no shade. I would stop when I felt my butt
> and legs needed a rest, wait a bit, and then continue. All throughout the
> ride I had made it a goal to pedal at a high cadence (for me) between 85 -
> 95 and that helped "save" my legs tremendously. Additionally, since there
> was very little load on the pedals, my feet didn't hurt until the very end
> when I was pedaling harder on the series of climbs you hit on the last 12
> miles. Then they bothered me a bit. It also helped that I found a pair of
> really comfortable wide shoes in the Shimano Click'R CT71 with the SOLE
> Dean Karnazes custom foot beds reinforced with the Pedag Metatarsal Pads
> from Natural Footgear. I don't wear the shoes clipped in, but they offer
> the option. These are now my favorite shoes enhanced as described above.
>
> I wore my MUSA RBW wool zip top (black) under my MUSA RBW blue thin wool
> jersey. I was planning on removing the zip top when it got warm, but I
> actually kept it the whole time, even when during the Spooner climb when
> the temps hit 107.4. The breeze was cool and I just didn't feel the need. I
> wore AeroTech Designs (excellent for the larger among us) knickers for the
> whole day as well. Thin wool socks to complete my outfit. I forgot to bring
> a wool beanie and long fingered gloves, but even with the 41F morning
> temperatures, I did fine with my short fingered classic gloves.
>
> Now for some interesting (for me) stuff I discovered. As you may know,
> I've been training using the Maffetone method for the past 8 weeks and it's
> been great, coupled with the LCHF diet. You know the piece about how the
> diet worked during the ride, or better yet, how I managed it. On my next
> long events, I'll just do the almonds and the sardines, plus the bananas
> available at the rest stops. On my regular rides I don't eat, just drink
> water.
>
> The Maffetone method has you training exclusively at your MAF (Maximum
> Aerobic Function) heart rate, which you estimate by substracting your age
> 

[RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Thomas Perkins]

Less young?  Nice to meet  you and well done.


On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 6:53:10 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm exhilarated at having completed the 72 mile bike ride around Lake 
> Tahoe today! I was quite apprehensive last weekend, but then took control 
> over my negative thoughts and decided to just ride it and see how far I 
> got. And I got to the end!
>
> I drove to LT yesterday and brought my Homer. Just for kicks, the Homer is 
> equipped with 35mm Bon Jon tires with latex tubes, Honjo fenders, Compass 
> Rando 44mm bars taped with Brooks leather tape, C17 Cambium rust saddle, 
> front Sackville Trunksack small, rear Acorn large original tan saddlebag, 
> standard Sugino triple crankset 24/36/46 and 9 speed 12-34 cassette (o how 
> I love thee), DuraAce down tube shifters and flat pedals.
>
> I transported the bike on my new 1UP 2" Super Duty Single Bike Rack (first 
> time I use it) with the adapter for bikes with fenders. The rack is 
> outstanding! The bike didn't budge the whole way even when I hit 85+mph on 
> the freeway. I also got the extension to be able to carry a second bike, 
> but don't need it right now. An additional benefit of the single rack is 
> that even when stored up, it doesn't interfere with the trunk door on my 
> Highlander. https://www.1upusa.com/product-SDquikracksilver.html
>
> Wasn't sure about how I would do on the ride with my LCHF diet, so after 
> mulling my options and getting discouraged to bring hard boiled eggs by a 
> friend who said they go bad very quickly and easily, I decided to bring 
> sardines in olive oil instead. I got them out of the can and into a ziplock 
> bag and brought a spork. I also bought a bag of smoked almonds for the salt 
> and taste and backed it all up with a couple of packets of GU chomps, just 
> in case.
>
> I only had a black coffee in my room before leaving at 6:06 am and rode 
> without eating anything for the first two hours, including the Emerald Bay 
> climb. At hour two I decided to start taking the GU chomps (only one at a 
> time) to ensure I had enough carb support and wouldn't bonk later on. 
> Honestly, I think I could have done without them, at least until the second 
> half of the ride when the climb to Spooner almost got me. I refilled my 
> water bottles with just plain water at the first rest stop and had a banana 
> on the second rest stop as well as a handful of almonds. On the third rest 
> stop (lunch rest stop) at mile 42 I had my sardines with just some water 
> and promptly continued. There's a water stop half-way up the climb to 
> Spooner at mile 54 which I almost thought I wouldn't make. I had more Gu 
> chomps (I had been eating them throughout the ride), but had to stop 
> regularly during the climb. The sun was hot, my Garmin read all the way up 
> to 107.4 degrees and there was no shade. I would stop when I felt my butt 
> and legs needed a rest, wait a bit, and then continue. All throughout the 
> ride I had made it a goal to pedal at a high cadence (for me) between 85 - 
> 95 and that helped "save" my legs tremendously. Additionally, since there 
> was very little load on the pedals, my feet didn't hurt until the very end 
> when I was pedaling harder on the series of climbs you hit on the last 12 
> miles. Then they bothered me a bit. It also helped that I found a pair of 
> really comfortable wide shoes in the Shimano Click'R CT71 with the SOLE 
> Dean Karnazes custom foot beds reinforced with the Pedag Metatarsal Pads 
> from Natural Footgear. I don't wear the shoes clipped in, but they offer 
> the option. These are now my favorite shoes enhanced as described above.
>
> I wore my MUSA RBW wool zip top (black) under my MUSA RBW blue thin wool 
> jersey. I was planning on removing the zip top when it got warm, but I 
> actually kept it the whole time, even when during the Spooner climb when 
> the temps hit 107.4. The breeze was cool and I just didn't feel the need. I 
> wore AeroTech Designs (excellent for the larger among us) knickers for the 
> whole day as well. Thin wool socks to complete my outfit. I forgot to bring 
> a wool beanie and long fingered gloves, but even with the 41F morning 
> temperatures, I did fine with my short fingered classic gloves.
>
> Now for some interesting (for me) stuff I discovered. As you may know, 
> I've been training using the Maffetone method for the past 8 weeks and it's 
> been great, coupled with the LCHF diet. You know the piece about how the 
> diet worked during the ride, or better yet, how I managed it. On my next 
> long events, I'll just do the almonds and the sardines, plus the bananas 
> available at the rest stops. On my regular rides I don't eat, just drink 
> water.
>
> The Maffetone method has you training exclusively at your MAF (Maximum 
> Aerobic Function) heart rate, which you estimate by substracting your age 
> from 180 and fine tuning it for your state of fitness, illness, etc. For 
> me, at 56, it meant that my maximum HR 

[RBW] Re: Three Things

[Garth]

As to number one, the spec seat tube angle on the Clem is 71.5 and the 
Betty Foy 72. To confirm this you can set each bike against a wall next to 
each other in parallel as best you can and they Clem seat tube should look 
just a little more relaxed.  This at least confirms the actuality of the 
specification.  

The head tube angle on the Betty is 70 and the Clem 71 so this too should 
be visible. 

Seat posts are different. The Betty has a Nitto of some sort ?  The Clem 
has a generic. The setback on them is likely different in some way but you 
should be able tell if they are "very" different by eye.  Any glaring 
difference ? 

You mentioned the sprung Brooks for the Clem, you Betty has what, a B17?   
Do they use the same rails and offer the same adjustments fore/aft ?

Cranks a same length ?
Pedals similar thickness ?

The seat fore/aft in relation to the BB is most important as this is really 
the foundation of bike control and feel.  You should be able to take your 
hands off the bars and be able to pedal it with feeling like you are 
falling forward.  

Once you get the saddle in a similar position as the Betty you have a base 
from which to compare reaches.  Measure the distance for the tip of the 
Betty saddle to the middle hand position of your Alba bars.  Now measure 
the Clem the same way. Any difference ?  

Measure the middle saddle to floor on each bike.  Now measure middle grip 
to floor on each.  What are the differences if any in the differentials ? 

I am not familiar with the Clem bar but am with Albas. It appears the Clem 
bars go back at least a couple of cm's compared to the Alba ? 


That's all I have for now ! 
Cheers 




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[RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Ron Mc]

good job Rene

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[RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[WETH]

Congratulations!  I, too, look forward to the photos.
Erl

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 9:53:10 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm exhilarated at having completed the 72 mile bike ride around Lake 
> Tahoe today! I was quite apprehensive last weekend, but then took control 
> over my negative thoughts and decided to just ride it and see how far I 
> got. And I got to the end!
>
> I drove to LT yesterday and brought my Homer. Just for kicks, the Homer is 
> equipped with 35mm Bon Jon tires with latex tubes, Honjo fenders, Compass 
> Rando 44mm bars taped with Brooks leather tape, C17 Cambium rust saddle, 
> front Sackville Trunksack small, rear Acorn large original tan saddlebag, 
> standard Sugino triple crankset 24/36/46 and 9 speed 12-34 cassette (o how 
> I love thee), DuraAce down tube shifters and flat pedals.
>
> I transported the bike on my new 1UP 2" Super Duty Single Bike Rack (first 
> time I use it) with the adapter for bikes with fenders. The rack is 
> outstanding! The bike didn't budge the whole way even when I hit 85+mph on 
> the freeway. I also got the extension to be able to carry a second bike, 
> but don't need it right now. An additional benefit of the single rack is 
> that even when stored up, it doesn't interfere with the trunk door on my 
> Highlander. https://www.1upusa.com/product-SDquikracksilver.html
>
> Wasn't sure about how I would do on the ride with my LCHF diet, so after 
> mulling my options and getting discouraged to bring hard boiled eggs by a 
> friend who said they go bad very quickly and easily, I decided to bring 
> sardines in olive oil instead. I got them out of the can and into a ziplock 
> bag and brought a spork. I also bought a bag of smoked almonds for the salt 
> and taste and backed it all up with a couple of packets of GU chomps, just 
> in case.
>
> I only had a black coffee in my room before leaving at 6:06 am and rode 
> without eating anything for the first two hours, including the Emerald Bay 
> climb. At hour two I decided to start taking the GU chomps (only one at a 
> time) to ensure I had enough carb support and wouldn't bonk later on. 
> Honestly, I think I could have done without them, at least until the second 
> half of the ride when the climb to Spooner almost got me. I refilled my 
> water bottles with just plain water at the first rest stop and had a banana 
> on the second rest stop as well as a handful of almonds. On the third rest 
> stop (lunch rest stop) at mile 42 I had my sardines with just some water 
> and promptly continued. There's a water stop half-way up the climb to 
> Spooner at mile 54 which I almost thought I wouldn't make. I had more Gu 
> chomps (I had been eating them throughout the ride), but had to stop 
> regularly during the climb. The sun was hot, my Garmin read all the way up 
> to 107.4 degrees and there was no shade. I would stop when I felt my butt 
> and legs needed a rest, wait a bit, and then continue. All throughout the 
> ride I had made it a goal to pedal at a high cadence (for me) between 85 - 
> 95 and that helped "save" my legs tremendously. Additionally, since there 
> was very little load on the pedals, my feet didn't hurt until the very end 
> when I was pedaling harder on the series of climbs you hit on the last 12 
> miles. Then they bothered me a bit. It also helped that I found a pair of 
> really comfortable wide shoes in the Shimano Click'R CT71 with the SOLE 
> Dean Karnazes custom foot beds reinforced with the Pedag Metatarsal Pads 
> from Natural Footgear. I don't wear the shoes clipped in, but they offer 
> the option. These are now my favorite shoes enhanced as described above.
>
> I wore my MUSA RBW wool zip top (black) under my MUSA RBW blue thin wool 
> jersey. I was planning on removing the zip top when it got warm, but I 
> actually kept it the whole time, even when during the Spooner climb when 
> the temps hit 107.4. The breeze was cool and I just didn't feel the need. I 
> wore AeroTech Designs (excellent for the larger among us) knickers for the 
> whole day as well. Thin wool socks to complete my outfit. I forgot to bring 
> a wool beanie and long fingered gloves, but even with the 41F morning 
> temperatures, I did fine with my short fingered classic gloves.
>
> Now for some interesting (for me) stuff I discovered. As you may know, 
> I've been training using the Maffetone method for the past 8 weeks and it's 
> been great, coupled with the LCHF diet. You know the piece about how the 
> diet worked during the ride, or better yet, how I managed it. On my next 
> long events, I'll just do the almonds and the sardines, plus the bananas 
> available at the rest stops. On my regular rides I don't eat, just drink 
> water.
>
> The Maffetone method has you training exclusively at your MAF (Maximum 
> Aerobic Function) heart rate, which you estimate by substracting your age 
> from 180 and fine tuning it for your state of fitness, illness, etc. For 
> me, at 56, it meant that my 

Re: [RBW] Three Things

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/06/2016 01:05 AM, LeahFoy wrote:

The comment about the Miata home. That's EXACTLY how it felt to me on his bike.

I took his bike for a short ride and it was shifting fine for me. I *think* he 
knows how to friction shift, but I'm going to test him by having him do it on 
my bike - I know my bike works, so if he messes that up his problems are 
clearly manufactured - by him! On previous rides, I heard his Clem pop into 
other gears when he rode it uphill, and sometimes the gears would chatter and 
I'd tell him to nudge it a bit but it would remain noisy until he chose a whole 
different gear.


If it doesn't do it when you shift the bike and it does do it when he 
shifts the bike it's a compelling argument for lack of user skill on his 
part.  If it's foolproof operation you want for him, put the proper 
indexed shifters on the bike and be done with it.



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Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Help me decide how to spend a day in Sacramento /San Francisco

[Evan E.]

Sean,

I won't add to your confusion by piling on more suggestions, but I will say 
that if you decide to ride a bike in SF, let us know. With a few weeks' 
notice, a few of us could maybe arrange to meet you at the Ferry Building 
in SF and take you on a ride to the Marin Headlands (yes, the GG Bridge 
ride can be crowded but it's also beautiful). Or if you prefer to walk, per 
dstein's suggestion, I live in North Beach and could give you some local 
tips. Reply off list, or on it if you like.

Evan



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