Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Joe Bernard]

I dig your SM, Reed. There was a guy at the RBW Book Talk Ride who had a blue 
Appaloosa with an IGH hub (can't remember what bars). It was gorgeous! 

Speaking of such matters, it's too bad Riv isn't continuing the light blue on 
those Joes. It looks WAY better live in color than it does on the internets. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Has RBW been arund long enough to have a "Renaissance?"

[Joe Bernard]

Ahh, I love Toyo in the summertime ;)

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[David Stein]

It is strange to me that the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa both have fork
crown mounts but there are no pictures or mention of them being used for a
rack mount anywhere on the website. Not very smart people like me don't
even realize they're there (until recently!). Though my hunq came installed
with the 32f front rack which uses something that *looks *more substantial
than the tange piece.

I remember asking someone at rivendell about whether the 4 struts connected
to the same brazeon on the fork made it any stronger or could support a
higher weight limit and the politically correct answer I got was to go by
the weight rating no matter how many struts, but people push it a lot more.

It was at a later point that someone gave me an irish strap. I think for a
company it gets into thorny legal issues if you start officially
 recommending fixes like the irish strap on the website, it could easily
give a false sense of confidence about how much weight you can put on there
and actually does nothing to prevent the rack from failing, just
(hopefully) keeps it from falling forward and causing a crash. I would
assume that legally its best to just state the recommended weight limit
from the manufacturer.

But ultimately, I do agree that a 4 point mount recommendation would go a
long way, you can still overstate the manufacturer weight limit.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> I'm wondering something about the tongue-loop tether strap.  On the Mark's
> rack page, the red strap is looped from the tongue over the handlebar.
> Wouldn't turning the handlebar add tension towards fatiguing the rack
> mount, but in the opposite direction of a load?  Would tension on the strap
> impede turning the handlebars? I can see this varying with different stem
> lengths.  Or, is the loop supposed to be loose enough to still easily turn
> the bars?  If so, would there then be sufficient tension to support the
> rack?
>
> I had an alternative strap mechanism in mind not connected to the
> handlebars.  Why not use a strap behind the head tube (above the top tube)
> instead of over the handlebars?  The strap could loop from one side of the
> rack tongue, behind the head tube, around the other side of the rack
> tongue, and back behind the head tube.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> BTW, this tether issue is making me reconsider getting a Mark's.  Maybe
> I'd be better off just getting a Klick Fix bar bag for when I want to add a
> small front load.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 5:02 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> North wrote:
>> "I find it galling that a couple of posters on this thread have mentioned
>> Riv staff grabbing Irish straps as safeguards for customers on the floor
>> but they don't make that knowledge public via the website. Shame on 'em!"
>>
>> Welcome to RBW Owners Bunch!
>>
>> I'm sure you're a nice guy and the concern you show for the public safety
>> is commendable. But as a new poster, your tone might be overly... what,
>> strident, maybe? Maybe we can channel that Ralph Nader in you a bit and all
>> say hello before ripping into the galling nature of Rivendell's alleged
>> behavior. Especially considering you did not buy the rack from
>> Rivendell--not least because they don't sell that rack.
>> It sounds to me like your gripe is really with Ben's Cycles, who you
>> claim advertised a false load capacity for the rack that you purchased from
>> them, causing you to run it at overcapacity for 1200 miles or so, when it
>> then failed and caused you to crash. Those appear to be the facts. It
>> strikes me as a little boorish to pop in and start ragging on Rivendell
>> based on that. A heads-up regarding your experience, sure, duly noted.
>>
>> Other than posting one of those scrolling, flashing, 90s style messages
>> across the front page of its website, I have to say that Rivendell appears
>> to be rather conscientious about how to install and use the racks that they
>> sell.
>>
>> From the Riv site, rack section, bottom (the top of the page states:
>> Don't buy a rack from us until you read the warning on the bottom of the
>> page.)
>> **ALWAYS use these rack with a tether btw the tall tongue-loop and the
>> handlebar. They're strong little racks, but people do dumb things, and the
>> tether is a safety measure. Make the tether out of cord or any adjustable
>> strap.
>>
>> Along with lots of other recommendations and warnings.
>>
>> Maybe some of this is fairly recent update, as John claims. But maybe
>> that's because something came to their attention and they addressed it. To
>> me, based on the "people do dumb things" they may have seen
>> something...dumb. In any case, Rivendell doesn't strike me as a company
>> that would go out of its way not to warn people about a safety issue. And I
>> have been a customer for many years now.
>>
>> You sound like a not dumb guy who knows quite a lot, so it's doubtful
>> 

Re: [RBW] new to me bike day (the L.A. Quickbeam)

[cyclotourist]

Best bike ever! Congratulations!

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Patch T  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm the one who bought the LA Craigslisted Quickbeam from cool dude John in
> San Pedro recently. Aside from a pretty handbuilt bicycle collection, John
> has a huge record collection; he's also quite nice.
>
> Anyhow, I'm still dialing it in, but thought I'd share my new to me QB.
>
> Basic specs:
>
> Sugino 38/32 and WI Dos 16/18.
>
> Nitto B135 Gran Randonneurs with old Modolo levers
>
> Paul Touring Cantis.
>
> Nanos on Open Pros
>
> I'll put a basket on that rack, get a new light for a generator wheel (which
> was generously included in the sale, not pictured), and switch out the bars
> for Nitto M013.
>
>
> I won't go on about how much fun the QB is; you've either heard it before or
> know it already.
> What a dream!
>
> Love,
> Patch
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



-- 
Cheers,
David

Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Tim Butterfield]

I'm wondering something about the tongue-loop tether strap.  On the Mark's
rack page, the red strap is looped from the tongue over the handlebar.
Wouldn't turning the handlebar add tension towards fatiguing the rack
mount, but in the opposite direction of a load?  Would tension on the strap
impede turning the handlebars? I can see this varying with different stem
lengths.  Or, is the loop supposed to be loose enough to still easily turn
the bars?  If so, would there then be sufficient tension to support the
rack?

I had an alternative strap mechanism in mind not connected to the
handlebars.  Why not use a strap behind the head tube (above the top tube)
instead of over the handlebars?  The strap could loop from one side of the
rack tongue, behind the head tube, around the other side of the rack
tongue, and back behind the head tube.

Thoughts?

BTW, this tether issue is making me reconsider getting a Mark's.  Maybe I'd
be better off just getting a Klick Fix bar bag for when I want to add a
small front load.

Tim


On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 5:02 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> North wrote:
> "I find it galling that a couple of posters on this thread have mentioned
> Riv staff grabbing Irish straps as safeguards for customers on the floor
> but they don't make that knowledge public via the website. Shame on 'em!"
>
> Welcome to RBW Owners Bunch!
>
> I'm sure you're a nice guy and the concern you show for the public safety
> is commendable. But as a new poster, your tone might be overly... what,
> strident, maybe? Maybe we can channel that Ralph Nader in you a bit and all
> say hello before ripping into the galling nature of Rivendell's alleged
> behavior. Especially considering you did not buy the rack from
> Rivendell--not least because they don't sell that rack.
> It sounds to me like your gripe is really with Ben's Cycles, who you claim
> advertised a false load capacity for the rack that you purchased from them,
> causing you to run it at overcapacity for 1200 miles or so, when it then
> failed and caused you to crash. Those appear to be the facts. It strikes me
> as a little boorish to pop in and start ragging on Rivendell based on that.
> A heads-up regarding your experience, sure, duly noted.
>
> Other than posting one of those scrolling, flashing, 90s style messages
> across the front page of its website, I have to say that Rivendell appears
> to be rather conscientious about how to install and use the racks that they
> sell.
>
> From the Riv site, rack section, bottom (the top of the page states: Don't
> buy a rack from us until you read the warning on the bottom of the page.)
> **ALWAYS use these rack with a tether btw the tall tongue-loop and the
> handlebar. They're strong little racks, but people do dumb things, and the
> tether is a safety measure. Make the tether out of cord or any adjustable
> strap.
>
> Along with lots of other recommendations and warnings.
>
> Maybe some of this is fairly recent update, as John claims. But maybe
> that's because something came to their attention and they addressed it. To
> me, based on the "people do dumb things" they may have seen
> something...dumb. In any case, Rivendell doesn't strike me as a company
> that would go out of its way not to warn people about a safety issue. And I
> have been a customer for many years now.
>
> You sound like a not dumb guy who knows quite a lot, so it's doubtful that
> your bolts were too loose or too tight, or you bent the tang too many
> times, or failed to check tightness occasionally. But still, you mention
> big 2"tires and wilderness trails and something called GDMBR which sounds
> super gnarly, and tying fenders of coroplast over the rack making
> inspection difficult, and mud and such. It almost makes me think you need a
> different, more super gnarly rack to suit your needs. My Surly 8-pack on
> my Clementine (which, like your rack, Rivendell also doesn't sell) isn't
> going anywhere off the front any time soon. It's probably overkill for
> holding my basket. But I'm a low maintenance kind of guy and this makes
> it so I don't have to fret about it all that much. The proper tool for
> the job, as they say.
>
> BTW, the subject of the thread is tang bolts coming loose.
>
> There is also the sad fact that the quality of iron ore available to steel
> makers is on the decline globally, due in large part to the massive demand
> created by China in the last decade.
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 6:14:15 PM UTC-4, Northof49ncold wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> One last thing: I forgot to thank Evan Baird for his post on the Manny
>> strap. However his second photo -- with the safety info -- should have been
>> attached instead of the repeat he provided. I've dug that photo out of the
>> archives for your further enlightenment/entertainment. My hope is that
>> folks looking for info on Nitto M18 racks, especially failures, might come
>> across this thread as I did (they are 

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

['Northof49ncold' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 6:02:43 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
>
>
> Welcome to RBW Owners Bunch!
>
> You sound like a not dumb guy  [Not true -- or I wouldn't have ended up 
> on my butt in six lanes of traffic .. or keep missing those Riv strap 
> warnings.]
>
> BTW, the subject of the thread is tang bolts coming loose  [Actually 
> "Mark's/M18 Failures?" Which brought me here although the tang bolts figure 
> in there. Other posters mentioned breakages long before me]
>

Putting the Ralph Nader persona aside for a second, thanks for the welcome. 
I have nothing but the utmost respect for Grant and Riv (regardless of my 
rant) but find it strange that a wee little outfit like Ocean Air Cycles in 
Ventura CA recognized this obvious weakness years ago and addressed it with 
fork crown mounts ie a 4-point connection.  I noticed Surly's 8 and 24 pack 
racks -- 4-pointers again -- but was concerned about actually mounting it 
on a non-Surly fork that doesn't have matching eyelets, especially on the 
crown. How did you rig it on your Clementine? Does that bike have fork and 
crown eyelets? 

On the subject of Ben's Cycle, they sent me a screen grab off Nitto's 
website that states 8kg. Yet the Nitto catalog of this year and last 
clearly states 5kg. So although I'd like to point the finger in their 
direction, I can't (but am trying since they should know the catalog specs, 
too). What they should be doing -- and this goes for other vendors online 
and in brick -- is handing out a strap with any tang-connected front rack 
that they sell (along with Manny-like instructions).  I would just like the 
industry to own up to the perils of a 3-point mount and state the maximum 
payloads that work in the real world. Riv does that but doesn't go the one 
step further and adopt a 4-point mount like Ocean Air uses. Likely due to a 
small market, aesthetics etc. 

I guess I'm being strident again so I'll shut up.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] new to me bike day (the L.A. Quickbeam)

[Patch T]

Hi all,

I'm the one who bought the LA Craigslisted Quickbeam from cool dude John in 
San Pedro recently. Aside from a pretty handbuilt bicycle collection, John 
has a huge record collection; he's also quite nice. 

Anyhow, I'm still dialing it in, but thought I'd share my new to me QB.

Basic specs:

Sugino 38/32 and WI Dos 16/18. 

Nitto B135 Gran Randonneurs with old Modolo levers

Paul Touring Cantis.

Nanos on Open Pros

I'll put a basket on that rack, get a new light for a generator wheel 
(which was generously included in the sale, not pictured), and switch out 
the bars for Nitto M013.


I won't go on about how much fun the QB is; you've either heard it before 
or know it already. 
What a dream!

Love,
Patch






-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Has RBW been arund long enough to have a "Renaissance?"

[iamkeith]

Not all Japanese fabrication is better.  Only the stuff that comes from the 
city of Toyo.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Has RBW been arund long enough to have a "Renaissance?"

[Joe Bernard]

The inference that Japanese-built is somehow more desirable than MUSA is 
amusing. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Lost Boys Ride Rivendells

[cyclotourist]

I spy the Coastal Trail.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:35 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> “To die will be an awfully big adventure.”
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:09:06 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Yes, but uh-oh, right before the awesome grilling footage, a bicycle
>> careening down the road with a fagot of branches precariously perched on a
>> front basket! Dangerous! Wait, Rivendell doesn't sell sticks--at least not
>> yet. (But do its axes come with a warning that you could chop off a toe?) I
>> don't see a key, but shouldn't they tell people not to fly a kite with a key
>> attached, just in case? Oops, wrong thread! Nice little video. You can see
>> how place inspires design.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 9:00:44 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> https://vimeo.com/171478451
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>>
>>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



-- 
Cheers,
David

Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Tandem

[cyclotourist]

The effective top tube measurements on the Hub match those of mountain
bikes almost exactly. Would be easy to set one up with straight bars
at seat level to mimic a MTB feel.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:21 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
 wrote:
> Hi Michael. When I said "tandem rally speedster" I was referring entirely to
> the bicycle. From what I can see, the majority of models from most
> tandem-specific makers are versions of the popular style of bicycle for club
> riding, regardless of age--tires on the skinny side, drop bars, latest bells
> and whistles, etc. T(here are also a few full on high-end mountain
> suspension bikes.)
>
> I hear you on the tandem demographic, and some of the possible reasons.
> (Though there is this.) That's another great thing about the Rivendell
> tandem project, the idea of getting more people to try it. As far as
> discretionary funds, see reason number 2 (strong relationship, good
> communication) for why tandems can sometimes be found at very reasonable
> prices in the used marketplace. Though again I suspect that may not be the
> case so much with the HHH.
>
> I confess that most of my (single bike) longer rides have been with drop
> bars--tradition and the old racing bones, mostly. However, based on reports
> I have read here, and my many years of experience with comfort and hand
> placement on uprights for commuting and town riding, as well as slower but
> long timewise rides on upright singles with my son, I will not hesitate to
> take the upright bar tandem on longer mileage rides once my guy is ready. I
> have plans for at least a 20-miler by end of summer. (Long being relative
> these days.) I suspect as I enter my 60s, if I have the luxury of an
> occasional long recreational ride, it could very well be with upright bars.
> Anyway, I don't really see the HHH as a regular century tandem, though no
> doubt it could easily accomplish one.
>
> As I said about the drops, I think it hasn't dawned on the captains to try
> something else. It's not on the radar. It's not tradition. Look at the
> transition of Riv listers, many of whom probably went from drops, to drops
> with super tall stems, to uprights--and not necessarily because they were
> forced to due to ailment and/or age. And tires. Even though tandems probably
> benefit even more from wider tires, (and I would argue upright bars, too)
> you just don't see a lot of it in the club tandem world--the connotation
> being that fat tires and upright bars equal a not very serious ride with
> degraded performance characteristics. A Schwinn Twinn. That's a belief
> system tough to crack. That's why you should get an HHH and shatter some
> shibboleths and blow some minds!
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:50:39 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Do not associate the term rally with the term speedster.  My experience
>> has been that there are more teams in the 80's than in their 20s, more in
>> their 70s than in their 30's and probably more in their 60's than in their
>> 40's.  My 26 X 1.75 tires may be wider than avg but do not attract much
>> attention.  However, I have not seen many captains with anything other than
>> drop bars.  These are not usually set below saddle height but allow a
>> variety of body and hand positions on three or four hour rides.
>>
>> People don't get into tandems until they have a positive single
>> experience, a strong relationship with good communication, and a good bit of
>> discretionary funds.  By then most are past racing, but not necessarily past
>> the thrill of a fast downhill.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



-- 
Cheers,
David

Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Tandem

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Michael. When I said "tandem rally speedster" I was referring entirely 
to the bicycle. From what I can see, the majority of models from most 
tandem-specific makers are versions of the popular style of bicycle for 
club riding, regardless of age--tires on the skinny side, drop bars, latest 
bells and whistles, etc. T(here are also a few full on high-end mountain 
suspension bikes.)

I hear you on the tandem demographic, and some of the possible reasons. (Though 
there is this. 
)
 
That's another great thing about the Rivendell tandem project, the idea of 
getting more people to try it. As far as discretionary funds, see reason 
number 2 (strong relationship, good communication) for why tandems can 
sometimes be found at very reasonable prices in the used marketplace. 
Though again I suspect that may not be the case so much with the HHH.

I confess that most of my (single bike) longer rides have been with drop 
bars--tradition and the old racing bones, mostly. However, based on reports 
I have read here, and my many years of experience with comfort and hand 
placement on uprights for commuting and town riding, as well as slower but 
long timewise rides on upright singles with my son, I will not hesitate to 
take the upright bar tandem on longer mileage rides once my guy is ready. I 
have plans for at least a 20-miler by end of summer. (Long being relative 
these days.) I suspect as I enter my 60s, if I have the luxury of an 
occasional long recreational ride, it could very well be with upright bars. 
Anyway, I don't really see the HHH as a regular century tandem, though no 
doubt it could easily accomplish one.

As I said about the drops, I think it hasn't dawned on the captains to try 
something else. It's not on the radar. It's not tradition. Look at the 
transition of Riv listers, many of whom probably went from drops, to drops 
with super tall stems, to uprights--and not necessarily because they were 
forced to due to ailment and/or age. And tires. Even though tandems 
probably benefit even more from wider tires, (and I would argue upright 
bars, too) you just don't see a lot of it in the club tandem world--the 
connotation being that fat tires and upright bars equal a not very serious 
ride with degraded performance characteristics. A Schwinn Twinn. That's a 
belief system tough to crack. That's why you should get an HHH and shatter 
some shibboleths and blow some minds!

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:50:39 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Do not associate the term rally with the term speedster.  My experience 
> has been that there are more teams in the 80's than in their 20s, more in 
> their 70s than in their 30's and probably more in their 60's than in their 
> 40's.  My 26 X 1.75 tires may be wider than avg but do not attract much 
> attention.  However, I have not seen many captains with anything other than 
> drop bars.  These are not usually set below saddle height but allow a 
> variety of body and hand positions on three or four hour rides.
>
> People don't get into tandems until they have a positive single 
> experience, a strong relationship with good communication, and a good bit 
> of discretionary funds.  By then most are past racing, but not necessarily 
> past the thrill of a fast downhill.
>
> Michael
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Lost Boys Ride Rivendells

[Deacon Patrick]

“To die will be an awfully big adventure.”

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:09:06 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Yes, but uh-oh, right before the awesome grilling footage, a bicycle 
> careening down the road with a fagot of branches precariously perched on a 
> front basket! Dangerous! Wait, Rivendell doesn't sell sticks--at least not 
> yet. (But do its axes come with a warning that you could chop off a toe?) I 
> don't see a key, but shouldn't they tell people not to fly a kite with a 
> key attached, just in case? Oops, wrong thread! Nice little video. You can 
> see how place inspires design.
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 9:00:44 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> https://vimeo.com/171478451
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Has RBW been arund long enough to have a "Renaissance?"

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The seller is no doubt referring to the fact that wool was big business 
during the Renaissance. So big that the pasturing of sheep drove many off 
the land, especially in England, and eventually resulted in enclosure laws, 
complete with hedges. The end of the commons, as it were. Many unhappy 
peasants and farmers.






*Sheep have eat up our meadows and downsOur grain, our wood, whole villages 
and townsYea, they have eat up many wealthy menBesides widows and orphan 
childerenBesides our statutes and our iron lawsWhich they have swallowed 
down into their maws.*

That has to be it, right? Unless. Could they be confusing the Renaissance 
with Middle-earth? Nah. 16th century wool industry reference, for sure.


On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Here's a copy/paste from an ebay ad for a Ram. The contest is: how many 
> inaccuracies are there?
>
> "Here is a rare bicycle designed and sold by Rivendell during their 
> "renaissance period". This was their second production bike sold (the first 
> was the Atlantis). The Rambouillet was hand built in Toyo Japan. Production 
> ended for this bike in around 2010. Subsequent production moved to the US 
> when the exchange rate became unfavorable with Japan. I believe only around 
> 300 were made and sold annually during its production period between 2001 - 
> 2010. Or maybe that number was from when it was first introduced. No 
> matter, it's a special and unique bike."
>
> The 'bay is always good for a smile.
>
> It IS a nice bike. That part is right.
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Lost Boys Ride Rivendells

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yes, but uh-oh, right before the awesome grilling footage, a bicycle 
careening down the road with a fagot of branches precariously perched on a 
front basket! Dangerous! Wait, Rivendell doesn't sell sticks--at least not 
yet. (But do its axes come with a warning that you could chop off a toe?) I 
don't see a key, but shouldn't they tell people not to fly a kite with a 
key attached, just in case? Oops, wrong thread! Nice little video. You can 
see how place inspires design.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 9:00:44 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> https://vimeo.com/171478451
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Tandem

[Tom M]

Cannondale Tandem 29er comes with flattish bars, 2.1 inch tires, triple crank 
and is a blast to ride. DC potholes aren't much of a problem. I commute on a 
drop-bar road bike, but haven't felt the need for them on the tandem yet.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Lost Boys Ride Rivendells

[Pondero]

Delightful.  Seems like a perfect tutorial on how to use a bicycle.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Has RBW been arund long enough to have a "Renaissance?"

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Yeah I read that today and had to chuckle.  You would think anyone that would 
be interested enough in the bike to bid on it would be knowledgeable enough to 
know he was playing fast and loose with some of his declarations.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] WTB: Small SaddleSack, Bar Tube

[ian m]

Looking for one or the other or both. Color not important. Maybe you found 
the small a tad too small? Didn't like the color? Let me take it (them) off 
your hands!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: The "Friend" – a sweet cyclotouring bike

[JohnS]

Thank you Jan for sharing, that's a great looking bike. I really liked the 
front rack's top mounting points, there a two on either side of the fork 
crown. It allows for an open area for the canti yoke cable, no 
interference, nothing in the way. I'm sure that rack is very stable. I 
don't think I've seen a front rack mounting points like that before. The 
closest being top of crown mounts.

JohnS


On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 11:27:20 AM UTC-4, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> In Japan, I saw a bike that, according to my friends, "was every boy's 
> dream". I think it still would be a dream today, and not just for boys...
>
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/06/21/the-friend-an-affordable-touring-bike/
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> www.bikequarterly.com
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Has RBW been arund long enough to have a "Renaissance?"

[Fullylugged]

Here's a copy/paste from an ebay ad for a Ram. The contest is: how many 
inaccuracies are there?

"Here is a rare bicycle designed and sold by Rivendell during their 
"renaissance period". This was their second production bike sold (the first was 
the Atlantis). The Rambouillet was hand built in Toyo Japan. Production ended 
for this bike in around 2010. Subsequent production moved to the US when the 
exchange rate became unfavorable with Japan. I believe only around 300 were 
made and sold annually during its production period between 2001 - 2010. Or 
maybe that number was from when it was first introduced. No matter, it's a 
special and unique bike."

The 'bay is always good for a smile.

It IS a nice bike. That part is right.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Lost Boys Ride Rivendells

[Deacon Patrick]

https://vimeo.com/171478451

With abandon,
Patrick

www.OurHolyConception.org
www.MindYourHeadCoop.org


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Notwithstanding Jeremy's report, which is great to read. Are you intending 
it for mainly traditional singletrack duties, or will you be switching back 
and forth (tires, wheelsets)?Other than dirt paths and a one-mile loop of 
singletrack, I can't really get to mountain biking trails without a car. 
When I go with my son, I take my Raleigh Twenty, because the Clementine, 
with fenders and racks (and probably even without) won't fit in the back of 
the Subaru with also him and his bike. Just got the car, don't have/can't 
really afford/don't like the idea of a bike rack for it. Don't intend to 
keep it past the first repair (has 238,000 miles on it).

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:51:38 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say a noob mistake, Zed. I do think the pedals on the Clems are 
> lower than your average bear, and, perhaps combined with the long cs, might 
> need some getting used to, depending on your riding style/terrain. 
>
> For comparison, the JA in the 52cm 650b size has a bb drop of 68.9, with 
> 52cm stays, the Clem 52cm 650b has a bb drop of 67, also with 52cm stays, 
> very similar specs, though the JA is not for the same range of riders, of 
> course. The larger Joes with 700c wheels, comparable to the largest Clem, 
> have CS lengths around 3cm shorter, and 78bb drop vs. 80 for the large 
> Clems. And though the Clems have a direct bloodline from Mt. Bikes, it is 
> more as they were reimagined/reconfigured for urban/town use, less as full 
> on mt bikes, obviously. And that seems to be how many here are using them, 
> while the Joes seem to see more trail action. All speculation and 
> conjecture on my part, but I wonder if any Joe users have experienced an 
> adaptation period regarding pedal strikes caused by low bb/long cs 
> configuration?
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 6:44:48 PM UTC-4, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> I'm running Switchbacks Mark, but mine's totally just noob mistakes. I 
>> never pedal through turns, but I'd also never had a bike where I had to pay 
>> any particular thought to raising the inside pedal before the turn. 
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I wouldn't say a noob mistake, Zed. I do think the pedals on the Clems are 
lower than your average bear, and, perhaps combined with the long cs, might 
need some getting used to, depending on your riding style/terrain. 

For comparison, the JA in the 52cm 650b size has a bb drop of 68.9, with 
52cm stays, the Clem 52cm 650b has a bb drop of 67, also with 52cm stays, 
very similar specs, though the JA is not for the same range of riders, of 
course. The larger Joes with 700c wheels, comparable to the largest Clem, 
have CS lengths around 3cm shorter, and 78bb drop vs. 80 for the large 
Clems. And though the Clems have a direct bloodline from Mt. Bikes, it is 
more as they were reimagined/reconfigured for urban/town use, less as full 
on mt bikes, obviously. And that seems to be how many here are using them, 
while the Joes seem to see more trail action. All speculation and 
conjecture on my part, but I wonder if any Joe users have experienced an 
adaptation period regarding pedal strikes caused by low bb/long cs 
configuration?

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 6:44:48 PM UTC-4, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> I'm running Switchbacks Mark, but mine's totally just noob mistakes. I 
> never pedal through turns, but I'd also never had a bike where I had to pay 
> any particular thought to raising the inside pedal before the turn. 
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

North wrote:
"I find it galling that a couple of posters on this thread have mentioned 
Riv staff grabbing Irish straps as safeguards for customers on the floor 
but they don't make that knowledge public via the website. Shame on 'em!"

Welcome to RBW Owners Bunch!

I'm sure you're a nice guy and the concern you show for the public safety 
is commendable. But as a new poster, your tone might be overly... what, 
strident, maybe? Maybe we can channel that Ralph Nader in you a bit and all 
say hello before ripping into the galling nature of Rivendell's alleged 
behavior. Especially considering you did not buy the rack from 
Rivendell--not least because they don't sell that rack. 
It sounds to me like your gripe is really with Ben's Cycles, who you claim 
advertised a false load capacity for the rack that you purchased from them, 
causing you to run it at overcapacity for 1200 miles or so, when it then 
failed and caused you to crash. Those appear to be the facts. It strikes me 
as a little boorish to pop in and start ragging on Rivendell based on that. 
A heads-up regarding your experience, sure, duly noted.

Other than posting one of those scrolling, flashing, 90s style messages 
across the front page of its website, I have to say that Rivendell appears 
to be rather conscientious about how to install and use the racks that they 
sell. 

>From the Riv site, rack section, bottom (the top of the page states: Don't 
buy a rack from us until you read the warning on the bottom of the page.)
**ALWAYS use these rack with a tether btw the tall tongue-loop and the 
handlebar. They're strong little racks, but people do dumb things, and the 
tether is a safety measure. Make the tether out of cord or any adjustable 
strap.

Along with lots of other recommendations and warnings.

Maybe some of this is fairly recent update, as John claims. But maybe 
that's because something came to their attention and they addressed it. To 
me, based on the "people do dumb things" they may have seen 
something...dumb. In any case, Rivendell doesn't strike me as a company 
that would go out of its way not to warn people about a safety issue. And I 
have been a customer for many years now.

You sound like a not dumb guy who knows quite a lot, so it's doubtful that 
your bolts were too loose or too tight, or you bent the tang too many 
times, or failed to check tightness occasionally. But still, you mention 
big 2"tires and wilderness trails and something called GDMBR which sounds 
super gnarly, and tying fenders of coroplast over the rack making 
inspection difficult, and mud and such. It almost makes me think you need a 
different, more super gnarly rack to suit your needs. My Surly 8-pack on my 
Clementine (which, like your rack, Rivendell also doesn't sell) isn't going 
anywhere off the front any time soon. It's probably overkill for holding my 
basket. But I'm a low maintenance kind of guy and this makes it so I don't 
have to fret about it all that much. The proper tool for the job, as they 
say. 

BTW, the subject of the thread is tang bolts coming loose.

There is also the sad fact that the quality of iron ore available to steel 
makers is on the decline globally, due in large part to the massive demand 
created by China in the last decade.


On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 6:14:15 PM UTC-4, Northof49ncold wrote:
>
>
>
> One last thing: I forgot to thank Evan Baird for his post on the Manny 
> strap. However his second photo -- with the safety info -- should have been 
> attached instead of the repeat he provided. I've dug that photo out of the 
> archives for your further enlightenment/entertainment. My hope is that 
> folks looking for info on Nitto M18 racks, especially failures, might come 
> across this thread as I did (they are headlined in the title, after all) 
> and learn something from it. In one of the older Riv Readers, Grant wrote a 
> piece up on Secof (spelling?) front brake cable catchers that were part of 
> a safety push after a rider's front cable broke unexpectedly, dropped and 
> caught onto his tire knobs and stopped him dead in his tracks. Well, not 
> quite dead -- he ended up as a quadrapalegic and won a resulting  lawsuit 
> (if memory of that article's contents serves me correctly). The bike 
> industry remade the front brake cable design so the same thing couldn't 
> happen again. I believe there's a lesson in there somewhere for front rack 
> makers that use a bendable/breakable tang in a 3-point connection. A strap 
> should be a mandatory accessory with that kind of rack (with instructions) 
> as happened here: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/zmJGzKSVOvc . As 
> far as Grant's "check every other day" for fatigue cracks etc, I might make 
> the observation that some of these racks are mounted over fat tires (2 
> inches and above) and, at the best of times, do not make examination easy 
> -- especially if you're touring in muddy conditions over great chunks of 
> land (think 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Tandem

[Michael Hechmer]

Do not associate the term rally with the term speedster.  My experience has 
been that there are more teams in the 80's than in their 20s, more in their 
70s than in their 30's and probably more in their 60's than in their 40's. 
 My 26 X 1.75 tires may be wider than avg but do not attract much 
attention.  However, I have not seen many captains with anything other than 
drop bars.  These are not usually set below saddle height but allow a 
variety of body and hand positions on three or four hour rides.

People don't get into tandems until they have a positive single experience, 
a strong relationship with good communication, and a good bit of 
discretionary funds.  By then most are past racing, but not necessarily 
past the thrill of a fast downhill.

Michael

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:59:09 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I don't have a whole lot of tandem experience, but I am looking forward to 
> changing the captain's drop bars on my new-to-me Santana Vision (later 
> changed to Fusion? Anyway, similar 26" bike with fat tire capabilities) to 
> Albatross or similar upright bars. We've tested it enough for me to know 
> that I will much prefer the more upright position (my stoker being my tall 
> for his age six and a half year old). I had a similar dislike of the drops 
> on my 650b Follis. In fact, I think I will not only get more comfort with 
> the uprights, but also* more* control, with very little loss of speed, 
> especially when on the curves. Win win win! I suspect many of the captains 
> with drops ride them because that's what the bicycle came with and the 
> thought of changing them out never crossed their minds. I believe Grant has 
> suggested the lower profile Chocos for the captain and Boscos for the 
> stoker as being one good choice for this bicycle. The Jones bar is also 
> highly regarded on this list, and offers a few hand positions for long 
> rides. I would ask Rivendell directly about how it might work with drop 
> bars.
>
> Obviously the Riv tandem is not going to be a tandem rally speedster. It 
> is falling squarely in the upright Riv category from what I can tell--a 
> deluxe Schwinn Twinn is I think how Grant has referred to it, a family 
> style tandem. Whereas, other than the very low end, the think alike bikes 
> are the go fast, carbon, 11 speed, but with two seats. Even Santana only 
> has one fat tire offering these days, an aluminum single speed cruiser with 
> flat bars, 26" wheels, and belt drive for $3,000. Then the line goes right 
> to 700c racing derived bicycles. Give me an HHH any day.
>
> Long cables are of course not unique to Riv tandems. If there is a lot of 
> the run inside housing, might be worth it to try compressionless.
>
> Right now our main sync problem is the fact that, with the crank 
> shorteners, he is spinning a 100mm crank, vs. the 135 on his single, plus 
> just getting used to having to pedal when I pedal, vs. the Burley Piccolo 
> being independent. By the end of the second test ride, he seemed fine.
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:40:52 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> I have looked at the picture and the specs posted on hubbahubbha and find 
>> myself with three concerns.  First, I hope the bike can handle drop bars. 
>>  Since starting to ride a tandem 6 years ago my wife and I have done a 
>> couple of three day rallies every year.  I have no memory of seeing a 
>> tandem with upright captain bars, other than recumbents.  There may be 
>> a number of reasons for this but in any case all the captains I see, who 
>> are regular riders seem to prefer the added comfort & control of drop bars. 
>>  Second, the stoker compartment looks tight.  We spread our out 6 cm beyond 
>> what Santana & Co-Moion offer and than added Albatros bars.  Pat really 
>> likes the added space and not feeling like she is pressed up against my 
>> back.  Third, tandems create the worst possible case for shifting.  They 
>> have long cables that stretch a lot;  the captain & stoker may have 
>> difficulty coordinating pedal pressure during shifting; they require a 
>> higher hi gear because its easy to spin out and they require a lower low 
>> gear because they don't climb as effectively as a single.  Finally the 
>> captain and stoker often prefer different cadences making big jumps between 
>> gears hard to satisfy both riders.
>>
>> I have wanted to see RBW get into this market because the big players 
>>  make a lot of think alike bikes. 
>>
>> Michael 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 12:46:29 AM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>>
>>> Tandem looks good.
>>>
>>> Rides good with the proper captain and stoker.
>>>
>>> Will and Roman can attest.
>>>
>>> Pictures proved that tandems are not slow up dirt roads (when you have 
>>> the proper captain and stoker)
>>> https://flic.kr/s/aHskCvrS8H
>>>
>>> Manny "The stoker makes no mistakes" Acosta
>>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners 

[RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Michael Hechmer]

To be clear.  The index shifting lifts the chain from 11 to 28 very 
successfully, but when I try to drop the change from the 28 to the 24 and 
then to a 21 it hangs up and then jumps cogs. 

I intend to disconnect the derailler and slide the rear cable housing 
around looking for a hang up.  However I will be surprised to find that is 
the problem because I am pretty careful to both file the housing and open 
it with an awl.

My trip to my favorite mechanic yielded a number of suggestions:
Check the pulleys for side to side play and for ware.  The former, 
especially, will throw indexing out of whack.  I did this and found no side 
to side play but still need to get a new pair of pulleys out to look at the 
difference.
Adjust the B screw.  The closed position may actually be too tight.  This 
too does not seem to be the problem.
My cassette does not need replacing.
Use a Shimano chain.  I think it is unlikely that a Connex 9 spd chain 
works less well than a Shimano. 
The shifter itself may be worn.  If it's really bad you can feel it, but it 
seems to me that it is very possible that one part of the shifter is worn 
enough to throw everything else out of alignment.
We agreed that the length of the cable (I actually have three cables, with 
a splitter at each S coupler to simplify disassembly)  stretches the 
limits of friction shifting.  

I intend to road test the system but it increasingly looks like I will find 
it easier to stay with friction.  I think I have a little room to move from 
a 48 to  a 50 ring without needing to change the derailler, cassette, or 
shifters.

I hope I am not discouraging anyone from trying a tandem; they are great 
fun in spite of the extra challenges.

Michael

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 5:06:53 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> In my humble opinion, NickBull is on the right track.  The symptoms 
> described are 100% consistent with this description
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 1:44:42 PM UTC-7, NickBull wrote:
>>
>> My stoker and I have ridden over 11,000 miles (mostly randonneuring miles 
>> in hilly/mountainous terrain) with 9-speed indexed (bar-end) shifting 
>> (Deore RD), a Sugino 24/36/48 crankset and SRam 11x34 cassette.  The 48-11 
>> combo is high enough, once you get over 30 miles an hour you may as well 
>> tuck.  The 24-34 is low enough for almost any grade you'll encounter.  I 
>> never have problems with downshifts, but for upshifts have to shift 
>> slightly past the "click" wait until I hear/feel that the derailleur has 
>> shifted then let the shift lever fall back to the click.  I suspect that 
>> you may have some cable drag, but it may also be that you've optimized the 
>> shifting for upshifts and that's making it "hang" on the downshifts.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Chris Birkenmaier]

THanks Reed!  I really do like my bike and yours is set up very cool.  I 
approve!  I had a 1974 Raleigh super course redone with urban bars and a 3 
speed. Tons of fun to ride

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[John]

Let's be fair. The photos of the Mark's Rack with the red strap are 
relatively new, as is the warning to use one. If people need to bend the 
metal strip connecting the rack to the crown, the result will be varying 
degrees of metal fatigue, so there should also be a warning not to bend it 
too much (how much is too much?) & check it to make sure this connector 
remains healthy.

So...use a strap, maybe two straps, know the weight of your load, and if 
you already have a medium Wald Basket (1 lb.) & a medium Shop Sack (1 lb.) 
on the rack, you have room for 2.4 lb.'s, or less than three pints of milk, 
before you exceed Rivendell's maximum recommended load for your Mark's 
rack. There you go, easy peasy!

Rivendell sold my wife a new Betty Foy with a Mark's rack without a strap, 
or any warning to use one.

I think there is room for Rivendell to do a wee bit better.

John

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Finding fun in un-un-racing

[Deacon Patrick]

Go for it!

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 3:56:40 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The embroidered badge for the El Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing 
> Team should have the slogan:
>
> "have fun not having fun! Grin."
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 2:40:07 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Ahhh, yes. I suspect that kind of climbing that would justify a 
>> suspension fork. What truly matters, is that you have fun not having fun! 
>> Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 3:00:58 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The Deacon speculated:
>>>  
>>>
  "I would imagine no suspension will speed the climb."

>>>
>>> That's a possibility, but the trail is extremely rocky, so I think the 
>>> suspension fork allows me to plow through things that a rigid fork might 
>>> get bounced off-line.  That's why it's worth experimenting.
>>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[David Person]

A Linus Lunch Rack should work well.

http://www.linusbike.com/products/linus-lunch-rack-1

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 5:46:12 AM UTC-7, Jon Craig wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> So, last Saturday I finally bought a Sam (55, blue, noodle)!  (BTW A1 
> Cyclery in Indianapolis rocks!)  (And truth be told, I'm now a 2-Sam 
> household as on Wednesday we went back and my wife got one too - 51, 
> orange, noodle. :D )
>
> Anyway - I had an old Trek rear rack so I black-nailpolished the Trek 
> logos and put it on - it fits great!   
>
> A front rack I do not have, and I'm wondering what ones fit well on Sam 
> without a lot of bodging.  NIttos, yeah, they're gorgeous, but they're also 
> bordering on blasphemously expensive so I'm looking for lower cost options.
>
> Since someone will demand it, I've attached a pic of my Sam sitting in my 
> office as I type this.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Finding fun in un-un-racing

[Bill Lindsay]

The embroidered badge for the El Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing 
Team should have the slogan:

"have fun not having fun! Grin."



On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 2:40:07 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Ahhh, yes. I suspect that kind of climbing that would justify a suspension 
> fork. What truly matters, is that you have fun not having fun! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 3:00:58 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The Deacon speculated:
>>  
>>
>>>  "I would imagine no suspension will speed the climb."
>>>
>>
>> That's a possibility, but the trail is extremely rocky, so I think the 
>> suspension fork allows me to plow through things that a rigid fork might 
>> get bounced off-line.  That's why it's worth experimenting.
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Eric Karnes]

Sounds like the San Marcos might be a good choice for you. One thing that's 
nice about all Rivendells is how versatile they are...even the 
'road-specific' models. I have a Roadeo and with Jack Browns or 35mm knobby 
cross tires, it handles non-singletrack dirt and gravel trails great. 

Eric

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:00:22 AM UTC-4, PineTarSoap wrote:
>
> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>
> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>
> Questions:
> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page is 
> the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however the 
> 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd to 
> me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Finding fun in un-un-racing

[Deacon Patrick]

Ahhh, yes. I suspect that kind of climbing that would justify a suspension 
fork. What truly matters, is that you have fun not having fun! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 3:00:58 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The Deacon speculated:
>  
>
>>  "I would imagine no suspension will speed the climb."
>>
>
> That's a possibility, but the trail is extremely rocky, so I think the 
> suspension fork allows me to plow through things that a rigid fork might 
> get bounced off-line.  That's why it's worth experimenting.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Squeaka-squeaka basket

[Bill Lindsay]

Braising is what you do to meat.  Brazing is what you do to metal.  :-) 
 Another alternative would be to remove the basket and lay in a plywood or 
similar platform.  Drill throughholes for the unnamed connectors of your 
choice and Robert is your Father's Brother.  

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 2:05:19 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> My new-to-me Hunqapillar came with a nice Wald basket on a Nitto 32F rack. 
> (Attached via a Method That Shall Not Be Named.)
>
> I eventually noticed that when loaded up with mybe a little too much 
> weight and especially on rough roads or trails it likes to squeak as I 
> pedal or go over bumps.
>
> At first I assumed the rack was loose and tightened everything, but no 
> dice.
>
> Next I figured the metal-on-metal contact between the rack and the basket 
> was the likely culprit, but yanking things around didn't make the sounds I 
> expected, so I looked closer.
>
> Turns out the basket wires had snapped in two nearby places! 
>
> I've bent the offending wires out of the way and re-enforce temporarily 
> with more Unnamed Attachers:
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> I imagine it could be braised back together, but I think I'll just replace 
> the basket next time I make it to Walnut Creek.
>
> Just figured I'd share a weird failure case that took a bit of figuring to 
> work out!
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Bill Lindsay]

In my humble opinion, NickBull is on the right track.  The symptoms 
described are 100% consistent with this description

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 1:44:42 PM UTC-7, NickBull wrote:
>
> My stoker and I have ridden over 11,000 miles (mostly randonneuring miles 
> in hilly/mountainous terrain) with 9-speed indexed (bar-end) shifting 
> (Deore RD), a Sugino 24/36/48 crankset and SRam 11x34 cassette.  The 48-11 
> combo is high enough, once you get over 30 miles an hour you may as well 
> tuck.  The 24-34 is low enough for almost any grade you'll encounter.  I 
> never have problems with downshifts, but for upshifts have to shift 
> slightly past the "click" wait until I hear/feel that the derailleur has 
> shifted then let the shift lever fall back to the click.  I suspect that 
> you may have some cable drag, but it may also be that you've optimized the 
> shifting for upshifts and that's making it "hang" on the downshifts.
>
> Nick
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Finding fun in un-un-racing

[Bill Lindsay]

The Deacon speculated:
 

>  "I would imagine no suspension will speed the climb."
>

That's a possibility, but the trail is extremely rocky, so I think the 
suspension fork allows me to plow through things that a rigid fork might 
get bounced off-line.  That's why it's worth experimenting.  To dstein's 
point above, this is an extremely un-fun trail to ride.  If 'mountain 
biking' was exclusively that kind of trail, I also would probably never do 
it.  I think of it purely as a benchmark and a fitness test.  

Ironically, when I was doing that ride, the thing that occurred to me was 
Grant's writing about exercise in Eat Bacon, Don't Jog.  He say's exercise 
should be intense and unpleasant.  You should be elated that it's over 
with.  I definitely feel that way about this hill climb.  It sucks!  

Regarding rigid-vs-suspended, I also ponied up for a Niner rigid fork, that 
I haven't set up yet.  When set up full rigid, my Niner is expected to 
weigh just a hair over 21 pounds.  So if I can do the climb in 12 minutes 
on a 24lb suspended mountain bike, how fast will I be on a 21.5lb rigid 
mountain bike, and how fast on a 27pound Atlantis with 2" knobbies?  I have 
no idea how it will shake out.  My guess is that my time will have more to 
do with how I'm performing on a given day, and will actually have very 
little to do with the equipment.  All my kids think that the only thing 
slowing them down is the weight of their bike.  I think they are mistaken

Bill

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Finding fun in un-un-racing

[ascpgh]

Very true. Stumbled into Mountain Bike Specialists in Durango, CO, having 
wandered over the mountains from Lake City to Silverton then into town from 
the north, my friend in dire need of some truing work on his RockHopper's 
front wheel. The sign at Lake San Cristobal south of Lake City said 
"SIlverton 28 Miles". How could we go wrong for a lunch and back trip? Look 
at a topographic map, we didn't.

In the store (owner Ed Zink was early advertiser in the Fat Tire Flyer), a 
short, slight guy named Ned helped us and was very nice, knew plenty about 
the area trails and complimented us on our Supra24O that brought us to 
town. Only months later did I put it together that it was Ned Overend who 
helped us. 

Trail damage righted and more climbing and descending than we bargained 
for, we headed to Pagosa Springs on the road and east up Wolf Creek Pass 
hoping to make good distance towards Creede before dark. All the good 
fortune collected on that trip to protect us and a westbound truck stopped 
when they recognized us. They gave us a ride back to Creede and asked 
"how'd y'all get all the way to Pagosa to climb Wolf Creek Pass?"

"These bikes." we said.

"Damn. That must've been a hell of a ride." he said.

It was.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 6:44:12 PM UTC-4, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> Good job! A career change to mountain bike pro may be in order! Or more 
> likely, it's surprising what a lifetime of cycling will give you in skills.
>
> I think what people mostly are reacting to when they identify as 
> "Un-Racers" are the attitudes of racers (or more often, wannabe racers), 
> rather than the fact that pushing yourself a bit can be fun. When we are 
> returning from a long trip in the mountains with panniers on our bikes, and 
> every "racer" on the (flat) bike trail picks us as a target, passing us, 
> and then slowing down exhausted, it gets tiring. 
>
> But that doesn't mean that riding a performance bike isn't fun, and the 
> better the bike performs, the more fun it can be. In fact, I sometimes give 
> in to the temptation and up the pace myself, drop the wannabe racers, and 
> then keep up the pace, if only to get home sooner. Feeling the bike in sync 
> with my pedal strokes and my entire body working hard is fun.
>
> The true high-level racers I've known are usually very pleasant. They 
> don't need to prove to everybody how fast they are – if you want to race, 
> line up at the start line! It's the non-racers who treat every commute as a 
> competition, and every guy (or even better, woman) on a heavily loaded bike 
> as an opportunity.
>
> It's easy to confound "anti-attitude" with "anti-performance", but I think 
> that is a mistake. Cycling is fun in part because of its speed. Otherwise, 
> we could be walking. That doesn't mean that we should prioritize speed over 
> everything else – comfort and fun are more important. But when the gains 
> come without penalties, such as wide supple tires – faster, more 
> comfortable and more puncture-resistant – or frames that get in sync with 
> your pedal strokes ("planing") – lighter, more fun at any power output – 
> then it makes sense to embrace them.
>
> Fortunately, the image of a "performance bike" is changing. No longer is 
> it a harsh-riding machine with skinny tires pumped to 100 psi or more. With 
> the new "Gravel" and "Allroad" bikes, the industry finally is espousing 
> what this group has been about all along.
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> www.bikequarterly.com
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Joe Bernard]

Wait, I'm confused about which way is up now. I thought the problem was 
over-shifting from harder to more-harder gears. To keep everyone on the same 
page, is Michael skipping cogs going to bigger ones or smaller ones?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Finding fun in un-un-racing

[Deacon Patrick]

That will be fascinating! Let us know. I would imagine no suspension will 
speed the climb.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 2:21:40 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> After I've done the hill climb a few times, I'm thinking of tackling it on 
> my FatLantis.  It will be interesting to see the time comparisons.  
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[NickBull]

My stoker and I have ridden over 11,000 miles (mostly randonneuring miles 
in hilly/mountainous terrain) with 9-speed indexed (bar-end) shifting 
(Deore RD), a Sugino 24/36/48 crankset and SRam 11x34 cassette.  The 48-11 
combo is high enough, once you get over 30 miles an hour you may as well 
tuck.  The 24-34 is low enough for almost any grade you'll encounter.  I 
never have problems with downshifts, but for upshifts have to shift 
slightly past the "click" wait until I hear/feel that the derailleur has 
shifted then let the shift lever fall back to the click.  I suspect that 
you may have some cable drag, but it may also be that you've optimized the 
shifting for upshifts and that's making it "hang" on the downshifts.

Nick

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:48:46 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I was really optimistic about this and worked hard at it, even had stoker 
> Pat with her quilters eye confirm my alignment.  It didn't change the 
> outcome.  Then I measured the chain and found it at .75, so cleaned up the 
> rings, cogs, & pulleys and then put on a new chain.  This helped.  Now when 
> I drop down from the largest cogs it simply hesitates until I put a tad 
> more pressure on the shifter.  When I get down to the middle of the 
> cassette, it starts to work perfectly.  I am considering trying a new 
> cassette but would need to buy one and since I have been thinking about 
> moving to 10 speed, hesitate.
>
> As I posted on the tandem discussion "tandems create the worst possible 
> case for shifting.  They have long cables that stretch a lot;  the captain 
> & stoker may have difficulty coordinating pedal pressure during shifting; 
> they require a higher hi gear because its easy to spin out and they require 
> a lower low gear because they don't climb as effectively as a single. 
>  Finally the captain and stoker often prefer different cadences making big 
> jumps between gears hard to satisfy both riders."  So in order to solve 
> some of these problems I am thinking about moving from a 9 speed 48/38/26 & 
> 11/28 to  a 52/38/28 with a 10 speed 11/30 or 32.
>
> Michael
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 6:20:32 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> As you're looking at the bike from behind, your derailer pulleys are 
>> lined up slightly to the right of the center of each cog. In this position 
>> you'll get a clean shift to the left towards bigger cogs, but as it moves 
>> to the right towards smaller, the chain wants to skip too far right to the 
>> next smaller cog.
>>
>> What you want to do is get the chain/derailer/pulleys under the middle 
>> cog, then adjust until everything is directly lined up, or possibly even 
>> slightly biased to the left. If your derailer has an adjuster thingy where 
>> the cable enters derailer, turn it counterclockwise to slightly budge those 
>> pulleys leftward. If not you'll need to mess with the cable anchor until 
>> you have things where you need them. 
>>
>> Hopefully this all makes sense. Good luck!
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Evan Baird]

There are a few frames left, except no 51cm

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Bill Lindsay]

Similar to Patrick Moore, I took some advice and splurged on super high end 
coated Dura Ace shift cables for my next build.  Like PM I can't comment on 
whether or not they are better, or how much better.  It will be a 10sp 
index setup.  

I'll point out that our man Michael has a tandem, though, and AFAIK there 
is no Dura Ace tandem length rear der cable.  So PM's anecdotes and mine 
will not be germane to Michael's issue.  I agree with Mark and Rene that 
Michael's description of symptoms is 100% consistent with a cable friction 
issue.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 12:24:43 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> With the full-length housing for the BB7s and the 9 sp friction shifting 
> system on the Matthews, I splurged and bought high end Dura Ace brake and 
> derailleur wires, upon the advice of the shop that said they do make a 
> difference. I haven't yet installed them yet, and can't pronounce on their 
> efficacy, but the OP might want to consider such top end cable at least for 
> his rear derailleur.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[sameness]

78 degrees. High of 81, low of 66. 60% humidity, winds 9 mph WSW. 
Atypically warm for June on the coast. 

The fires made for a pretty (if End Times-y) strawberry moon last night. 

October's Indian summer will surely lay waste to us all.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Finding fun in un-un-racing

[Bill Lindsay]

Hi Scott

In order to familiarize myself with the equipment my kids are riding, I 
bought a contemporary mountain bike.  It is a Niner RLT9 Carbon hardtail. 
 It's got a 2x10 drivetrain, a suspension fork, hydraulic disc brakes. 
 After I've done the hill climb a few times, I'm thinking of tackling it on 
my FatLantis.  It will be interesting to see the time comparisons.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 1:11:21 PM UTC-7, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
> I think it is great that you are serving you community as a volunteer!  So 
> I am just curious... What kind of bike are you riding the hill climb on?
>
> Scott
>
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 2:08:58 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Being the team mechanic for the local High School Mountain Bike Racing 
>> team has been pretty inspirational.  Seeing the kids set goals and make 
>> competitive progress has been an almost fountain of youth experience for 
>> this 47 year old un-racer.  At the end of season team party, the head coach 
>> announced the kids one at a time, and among other accomplishments kept 
>> referring to the kids' time in "the time trial".  I didn't know what that 
>> was.  The coach pointed me to a Strava segment, called "BHS Time Trial". 
>>  Here's a link:  https://www.strava.com/segments/1963179
>>
>> So, I went ahead and got my free Strava App on my iPhone and went up into 
>> the Berkeley Hills to check it out.  My goal was to beat the time of our 
>> slightly plump 50-something Coach Gary.  I was told he was in the 14:45 
>> range.  The ride is a short but steep climb, and it is extremely rocky. 
>>  Climbing out of the saddle is completely out of the question and it's a 
>> physical challenge maintaining balance and keeping the bike pointed up the 
>> hill.  My first attempt was last week, the 11th, and I did it in 13:32.  My 
>> second attempt was this weekend, and I did it in 12:16.  I'm told that 
>> 12:00 is the traditional cutoff for the A-Group of racers, so I've got a 
>> measurable training goal.  I'm not racing, but I'm not un-racing either, so 
>> I'm going to call it "un-un-racing".  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Anybody attend the Rivendell book reading for Bike Snob?

[Deacon Patrick]

Brilliant, Joe! I love it! I keep wondering when I'm going to see eMTBers 
on trails. It's actually a perfect place for it in our Ute Pass area 
because it's a climb to get to town and then around town (Woodland Park) 
there is no flat. But on trails, most folks drive to the top in a carpool 
and ride to the bottom if that's their thing, so I'm not sure if/when I'll 
see it.

On the plus side, I've seen infinitely more riders on my connector route to 
WP this year than ever before (0). Far more bikes as practical transport 
around town here, people in regular clothes, etc. then ever. I'm a 
trendsetter. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 12:22:46 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I liked the answer on e-bikes 'cause I have one and I knew it wouldn't be 
> a popular subject. Eben was supportive of pedal-assist on hilly commutes, 
> which I agree is the strongest selling point: It gets people riding bikes 
> on routes they would normally use a car for. 
>
> Then he launched into e-mountain biking, which was hilarious. 
> (Paraphrased) "If you want to go mountain biking, go do it! It's 
> recreation!" His point being that if you need a motor to go bomb some 
> singletrack on the weekend, maybe you should find a hobby you can actually 
> DO. Which I agreed with...until I bonked on the dirt ride. I was, like, 
> "Dang, my eCLEM on low-assist for the steepest parts would be GREAT here." 
>
> So yeah, I'll probably do it one of these days because there's plenty of 
> room to move off-trail and away from other riders and hikers, but tight 
> singletrack places like China Camp in Marin would be a no-no. And even if I 
> do the open space trail, he's still right: Electric mountain biking is 
> stupid!
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

['Northof49ncold' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 1:34:33 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Wait, we're talking about a rack Riv doesn't sell, and complaining that 
> they don't put stuff in the description that is clearly in the 
> description?? I give up, I'm going to go ride my bike. With a Nitto rack 
> from Rivendell that was accurately explained and I properly mounted. 
> Toodles!


Good one, Joe. Yes, I am somewhat distracted because I'm dismantling the 
front end of my bike in my exposed backyard before a storm hits here.  I 
posted the photos ASAP as a warning to others while dismantling that bike 
for your enlightenment (and obvious entertainment). My posts seem to be 
time-delayed because I'm a new poster here so bear with me yet again. Is 
there or is there not any mention of tethers in the "Read this before 
proceeding" section of the rack page? I don't see anything -- but, yes, I 
am distracted so maybe I missed it again. (I'd like to get back to my bike 
before it gets rained on.) A poster on this thread mentioned two 32F's 
breaking. Are they not sold by Rivendell? Are they illustrated with a 
tether strap in their description? If you went directly from reading the 
huge warning section on that rack page to the 32F offering and hit the 
order button (because your friend had one and you wanted one) could it be 
possible that you might miss that tether strap suggestion? That safety info 
should be upfront with the rest of the warning spiel. Does that not make 
sense? Now I really have to get back to my bike before it rains

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Finding fun in un-un-racing

[Scott McLain]

Hi Bill,
I think it is great that you are serving you community as a volunteer!  So 
I am just curious... What kind of bike are you riding the hill climb on?

Scott


On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 2:08:58 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Being the team mechanic for the local High School Mountain Bike Racing 
> team has been pretty inspirational.  Seeing the kids set goals and make 
> competitive progress has been an almost fountain of youth experience for 
> this 47 year old un-racer.  At the end of season team party, the head coach 
> announced the kids one at a time, and among other accomplishments kept 
> referring to the kids' time in "the time trial".  I didn't know what that 
> was.  The coach pointed me to a Strava segment, called "BHS Time Trial". 
>  Here's a link:  https://www.strava.com/segments/1963179
>
> So, I went ahead and got my free Strava App on my iPhone and went up into 
> the Berkeley Hills to check it out.  My goal was to beat the time of our 
> slightly plump 50-something Coach Gary.  I was told he was in the 14:45 
> range.  The ride is a short but steep climb, and it is extremely rocky. 
>  Climbing out of the saddle is completely out of the question and it's a 
> physical challenge maintaining balance and keeping the bike pointed up the 
> hill.  My first attempt was last week, the 11th, and I did it in 13:32.  My 
> second attempt was this weekend, and I did it in 12:16.  I'm told that 
> 12:00 is the traditional cutoff for the A-Group of racers, so I've got a 
> measurable training goal.  I'm not racing, but I'm not un-racing either, so 
> I'm going to call it "un-un-racing".  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Anybody attend the Rivendell book reading for Bike Snob?

[Nick Huemmer]

I was there - it was a whole lot of fun.  The talk was funny, but a bit 
short considering it started late.

The ride was the more fun part.  There was plenty of stunts and other goofy 
bike nonsense.  The two high points were riding watching people attempt 
riding down a steep downhill near Toad Rock and having walkers chastise us 
for riding on what Grant calls "the best singletrack in the area" (Indian 
Creek Trail), which doesn't allow bikes (but they ride on it anyway).

Nice to meet some other locals that ride Rivvy bikes.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 7:05:20 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Am I really the only Riv Lister who went to this thing? There were a lot 
> of not-Riv bikes on the ride, so maybe it was mostly Bike Snob people. 
> Interesting. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

['Northof49ncold' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 1:48:09 PM UTC-6, Skenry wrote:
>
> I'm still not sure on the complaining of 'could have died'. Seriously? 
>  
>
> A rack breaks, which they do, and it drops down to the tire, you go over 
> the handlebars.   Much like cyclists have been doing for years.It's 
> kinda like a front fender collapsing from a stick or even a dirty Cinzano 
> team member jamming a silca into your spokes.   
>
> Ride a bike and you will go down.   Sometimes slowly and softly but 
> sometimes its bloody and spectacular.
>
> Sorry someone fell over but this was a customer installed rack in which 
> the customer bent a piece of steel to make it fit.   This is the Riv list 
> in which people extoll on the virtues of steels' failure mode.   How long 
> has this tang been cracked and weakened and ignored?
>
> Buy a new tang, or better yet, go to the hardware store and make a new 
> one.  Then ride the bike.
> Scott
>
>
> I really am trying to get out the door! Butwhen I fell it was in a six 
> lane intersection with traffic turning on me. I understand your point but 
> when a load of xxlbs hits the front tire, it ain't quite the same as a 
> stick in the spokes. Now back to the bike and end of public service 
> announcement. I'm hoping that someone finds the info and photos useful. 
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Hi.  I am 5'8" with a pbh of 77.8 so I am right there with you on that.  I 
have a 51 and I feel it is a good fit for me.  Although there isn't a lot 
of clearance I only ride it on the paved road and I've had no problems with 
the higher top tube.  And I'm quite sure I now own the bike that was being 
referred to.  I bought it off Craig's List but it was a new-old-stock frame 
built up by Bicycle Odyssey in Sausalito.  (Nice guys there by the way).  I 
had an albatross handlebar put on instead of the drops.  I really like the 
ride of the San Marcos and would highly recommend the bike.  It does "ride 
big" or perhaps I should say I feel like I am on a large bike when I ride 
it but not in a negative way at all.

To address your other point about availability, I also heard on the 
internet that they would stop producing the San Marcos so I set out to find 
a bike/frame before they all sold out.  There were newer frames with the 
Tiburon blue color but I preferred the Pearl blue of the previous edition.  
As mentioned, I lucked out at finding the CL bike and at a reasonable price 
from the shop.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.
Chris

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 3:43:06 PM UTC-4, Rob H. wrote:

> I've got a "700c" 54 SM (first generation) and like it a lot. It's a 
> little bit odd because I bought it used off CL from some guy and it 
> actually has the shorter fork (650b for the 51cm SM) on it. So my solution, 
> ultimately, after getting tired of only being able to run super narrow 
> tires on it so it would rub up against the underside of the fork and front 
> brakes, was to put a 650b wheel up front. Now i've got 35mm wide tires on 
> it and looks like room for fenders still. 
>
> Also don't know if you're in the SF Bay Area but there was someone trying 
> to sell a built up 51cm SM on CL. I think they were in the South Bay 
> possibly a bike shop. At any rate, the listing expired (not deleted) so it 
> might pop up again and if you've got the cajones you could go give it a 
> test ride / kick the tires so to speak.
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:00:22 AM UTC-7, PineTarSoap wrote:
>>
>> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
>> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
>> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
>> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
>> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
>> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>>
>> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
>> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
>> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
>> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
>> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
>> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page 
>> is the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
>> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however 
>> the 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd 
>> to me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[Deacon Patrick]

80˚ and humid (for here, at that temp) at 33%.
We often plunge to 40-60˚F with afternoon thunder boomers, which then come 
with 100% humidity, and sometimes we get that odd 15 minutes of overlap 
where the humidity hits before the temp plummets, and then I feel like I'm 
in Alabama as a kid visiting my grandparents.

On today's ride, I met a MTB couple on a single track descent and the woman 
was griping about how hot it was but at least it wasn't raining. I wasn't 
even sure how to respond to that. Of course, one of them had been braking 
with their rear break all the way down, creating inch deep furrows. I 
couldn't figure out how to suggest the use their front brake as their 
primary and then there's no need to skid.

With abandon,
Patrick

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Reed Kennedy]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Rob H.  wrote:

> 
> Also don't know if you're in the SF Bay Area but there was someone trying
> to sell a built up 51cm SM on CL. I think they were in the South Bay
> possibly a bike shop. At any rate, the listing expired (not deleted) so it
> might pop up again and if you've got the cajones you could go give it a
> test ride / kick the tires so to speak.
>

It was A Bicycle Odyssey up in Sausalito. No idea if they still have it,
but it's probably worth a phone call!

I remember the build looking pretty solid.


Best,
Reed


> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:00:22 AM UTC-7, PineTarSoap wrote:
>>
>> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this
>> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a
>> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires
>> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like
>> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I
>> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>>
>> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I
>> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a
>> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well
>> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a
>> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
>> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page
>> is the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
>> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however
>> the 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd
>> to me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

['Northof49ncold' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 1:03:07 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Northof49ncold,
>
> Rivendell Bicycle Works sells the Mark's Rack.  Here is a link to the 
> page.  
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r1.htm
>
> The Mark's Rack page has 5 photos of the Mark's Rack.  4 of those 5 photos 
> show the rack installed on the bicycle.  All 4 of those photos show the 
> rack set up with triangulated double struts (which is not possible with an 
> M18) and a Manny Strap installed.  On that page, Rivendell says the rack is 
> rated to carry 4.4lbs.  
>
> Why are you shaming Rivendell Bicycle Works again?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
>
> Sorry, I missed the tether suggestion in the Mark description. However, 
> the sizeable pre-order warning section should also include a mention of a 
> safety tether (with a pointer to the photos in the Mark's rack section).
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Mark Reimer]

I have full length housing for my Paul Klamper disc brakes and Dura Ace bar
end shifters with full length housing. The included JagWire cables had too
much drag in the housing to enable the Klampers to fully open no matter how
I routed the housing. I put in some MEC-branded teflon cables (Canadian
equivalent to REI) and presto, perfect brakes and shifting.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Rene may be onto something with the 9-speed bar-end and long/finicky cable
> routing. I had the same problem on my Bike Friday and couldn't adjust it
> out, either.
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/p4Ne75v5T7s/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Scott Henry]

I'm still not sure on the complaining of 'could have died'. Seriously?

A rack breaks, which they do, and it drops down to the tire, you go over
the handlebars.   Much like cyclists have been doing for years.It's
kinda like a front fender collapsing from a stick or even a dirty Cinzano
team member jamming a silca into your spokes.

Ride a bike and you will go down.   Sometimes slowly and softly but
sometimes its bloody and spectacular.

Sorry someone fell over but this was a customer installed rack in which the
customer bent a piece of steel to make it fit.   This is the Riv list in
which people extoll on the virtues of steels' failure mode.   How long has
this tang been cracked and weakened and ignored?

Buy a new tang, or better yet, go to the hardware store and make a new
one.  Then ride the bike.
Scott





On Tuesday, June 21, 2016, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Wait, we're talking about a rack Riv doesn't sell, and complaining that
> they don't put stuff in the description that is clearly in the
> description?? I give up, I'm going to go ride my bike. With a Nitto rack
> from Rivendell that was accurately explained and I properly mounted.
> Toodles!
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com .
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>


-- 
Cheers,
Scott Henry
Dayton, OH

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Patrick Moore]

Very interesting; thanks for this report. I'll be interested to hear how
the C and the Joe Appaloosa compare off road.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> So I got my Clem set up with tubeless knobbies (Spec. Fast Trak 29x2.2)
> and my wife and I went singletracking with our Clems over the weekend.  In
> general, I was super happy with how the Clem performed as a mountain
> bike--it was exactly what i was hoping for.  Bullet points:
>
> Upsides of long chainstays:
> -Climbing moderately steep stuff, the long chainstays performed exactly as
> intended, allowing me to climb with a relaxed upper body position without
> the front wheel popping up or losing traction.
> -Descending was equally awesome.  Putting my weight back behind the
> saddle, I felt perfectly balanced, with both plenty of front wheel steering
> authority and no feeling like I was going to go over the bars.  As many
> have described with long chainstay bikes, that "sweet spot" of balance was
> really wide.
> -The low bb and big tires gave me a wonderful "in the bike feeling" that
> even other 29er's haven't had for me.
> -One unexpected benefit from the long wheelbase was stability in deep
> sand.  The park where we were riding (Granite Bay on Folsom Lake, CA) has
> plenty of sandy washes and the Clem just plowed through them with none of
> the nervousness that one usually feels in such conditions.
>
> Theoretical downsides:
> -While climbing steep stuff, not once did I feel like the rear wheel
> lacking for traction, at least any more so than normal-chainstayed 29er's
> I've ridden.
> -There were a couple of times where I was "threading the needle" between
> obstacles where I could get the front wheel through but then the rear wheel
> hit the obstacle (but just self-corrected and rolled right over, thanks to
> the big wheels), but honestly that can happen on pretty much any bike.
> -I did smack pedals a couple of times, but again, that happens on most any
> bike, and the handling benefits of long chainstays and low BB make it a
> fine compromise for me.
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 3:44:48 PM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> I'm running Switchbacks Mark, but mine's totally just noob mistakes. I
>> never pedal through turns, but I'd also never had a bike where I had to pay
>> any particular thought to raising the inside pedal before the turn. I mean,
>> I've scraped the end of a few before, but on the Clem that sucker just
>> slammed into the ground and about knocked the bike over the first time I
>> took that little crest lazily. In my case, I guess I didn't so much have to
>> raise my cornering game as bother to bring one at all. Like masmojo, quick
>> to adjust for it, but yeah. It probably does come down to both the lowish
>> BB and the tendency for the wheels to straddle obstacles. No big deal at
>> all, if amusing for trail users when I forget, but definitely a thing I had
>> to start paying attention to for the first time as just a commuter.
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 5:01:29 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm. I have not been riding the Clementine off road and I doubt I have
>>> your off-road skills. I can see where the bike could get "hung up"
>>> especially on a grade. But speed bumps with no lean, that would be purely a
>>> bb height issue, no? Are you guys both running the Compass Switchbacks? Are
>>> they appreciably less tall than the stock Kendas?
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:26:18 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:

 Actually,  the problem I am having is more of an issue with uneven
 surfaces, although the turning plays into it as well. The further the
 wheels are apart the more likely that a bump or object can stick up between
 them and you pedal can hit it while it rotates around.  Generally,  you you
 anticipate this and level your pedals until you clear that area, but in
 said circumstance mentioned earlier with getting the front wheel over
 objects,  many times I will clear it with my front wheel to find my pedals
 strike the object which tends to suddenly stop me dead in my tracks! I used
 to race mountain bikes so I have fair bike handling skills,  I don't have
 this issue on any other bike and generally not on the Clementine,  but it
 does bite me from time to time. I've also scraped the pedals on speed bumps
 which is odd, because I've never had an issue hitting them before.  Ive
 learned my lesson though,  haven't done that in a while.
>>>
>>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>



-- 

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Rob H.]

I've got a "700c" 54 SM (first generation) and like it a lot. It's a little 
bit odd because I bought it used off CL from some guy and it actually has 
the shorter fork (650b for the 51cm SM) on it. So my solution, ultimately, 
after getting tired of only being able to run super narrow tires on it so 
it would rub up against the underside of the fork and front brakes, was to 
put a 650b wheel up front. Now i've got 35mm wide tires on it and looks 
like room for fenders still. 

Also don't know if you're in the SF Bay Area but there was someone trying 
to sell a built up 51cm SM on CL. I think they were in the South Bay 
possibly a bike shop. At any rate, the listing expired (not deleted) so it 
might pop up again and if you've got the cajones you could go give it a 
test ride / kick the tires so to speak.


On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:00:22 AM UTC-7, PineTarSoap wrote:
>
> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>
> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>
> Questions:
> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page is 
> the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however the 
> 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd to 
> me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Ron Mc]

I think it's fair to report a diving board failure - honestly, I would 
thought the steel would bend fine.  I agree the Mark's rack should be 
sturdier with an extra set of stays.  The static load these racks will 
support is 10 times the dynamic load they will safely support, which is why 
they seem to be rated for very low loads.  

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 2:34:33 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Wait, we're talking about a rack Riv doesn't sell, and complaining that 
> they don't put stuff in the description that is clearly in the 
> description?? I give up, I'm going to go ride my bike. With a Nitto rack 
> from Rivendell that was accurately explained and I properly mounted. 
> Toodles!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Joe Bernard]

Wait, we're talking about a rack Riv doesn't sell, and complaining that they 
don't put stuff in the description that is clearly in the description?? I give 
up, I'm going to go ride my bike. With a Nitto rack from Rivendell that was 
accurately explained and I properly mounted. Toodles!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Philip Kim]

true

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-4, ian m wrote:
>
> It's in the first paragraph of the description. Can't force people to read 
> or pay attention though

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Joe Bernard]

Rene may be onto something with the 9-speed bar-end and long/finicky cable 
routing. I had the same problem on my Bike Friday and couldn't adjust it out, 
either. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Patrick Moore]

With the full-length housing for the BB7s and the 9 sp friction shifting
system on the Matthews, I splurged and bought high end Dura Ace brake and
derailleur wires, upon the advice of the shop that said they do make a
difference. I haven't yet installed them yet, and can't pronounce on their
efficacy, but the OP might want to consider such top end cable at least for
his rear derailleur.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[René Sterental]

Check mate!

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016, ian m  wrote:

> It's in the first paragraph of the description. Can't force people to read
> or pay attention though
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com .
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[ian m]

It's in the first paragraph of the description. Can't force people to read or 
pay attention though

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Michael Hechmer]

The cables and housing are brand new, put on after the frame repaint in 
April. They have a wide loop under the front rack and I was very careful 
with the cut ends, so I doubt that is the problem.  The RD is  an Ultegra 
6700, a road derailler.  When we first got the bike we started with a  used 
54/42/26, a 12/32 cassette, and an XT derailler.  I was never happy with 
either the front or rear shifting. Moving from a 26 to a 54 is 4 teeth out 
of spec for any road FD I know of.  So after a year and a half I bought a 
pair of TA rings  - 48/38 and the smaller cassette and derailler, and an 
Ace chain catcher in the front.  I think that's when I went back to 
friction.  Since then the front shifting has been excellent and until 
recently the rear friction pretty good.

I'm going to take the cassette to my favorite mechanic and get his opinion 
on its wear.

Michael

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 2:41:55 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 06/21/2016 08:48 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
>
> As I posted on the tandem discussion "tandems create the worst possible 
> case for shifting.  They have long cables that stretch a lot;  the captain 
> & stoker may have difficulty coordinating pedal pressure during shifting; 
> they require a higher hi gear because its easy to spin out and they require 
> a lower low gear because they don't climb as effectively as a single. 
>  Finally the captain and stoker often prefer different cadences making big 
> jumps between gears hard to satisfy both riders."  So in order to solve 
> some of these problems I am thinking about moving from a 9 speed 48/38/26 & 
> 11/28 to  a 52/38/28 with a 10 speed 11/30 or 32.
>
>
> 54 x 12 makes a very sweet tandem top gear.  I'm personally not persuaded 
> anything more recent betters the old XTR 8 spd 12-32 for tandem use, esp. 
> when mated with a triple with a 54 x 42 x 26, giving you gearing like this:
>
> 120.4 93.7 58.0 
> 103.2 80.3 49.7 
> 90.3 70.2 43.5 
> 80.3 62.4 38.7 
> 68.8 53.5 33.1 
> 60.2 46.8 29.0 
> 51.6 40.1 24.8 
> 45.2 35.1 21.7 
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

['Northof49ncold' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> They post a weight limit though
>
>
Yes, but they don't carry the M18 only the Mark's -- and looking at the 
photos of that rack that they provide online it does show a safety strap 
yet  no mention of what it's for there or in the humongous"Warning" 
section. Likely due to possible liability claims I'm guessing.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Philip Kim]

They post a weight limit though

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 2:50:42 PM UTC-4, Northof49ncold wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I have pristine unused, unbend diving board that came with my marks rack, 
>> if you need it. 
>>
>>
> Thanks for the offer Ron! I also appreciate you posting your set-ups 
> because I had never seen the Tubus fork mount adapter before. At the 
> moment, I'm dealing with Ben's Cycle to a) get their listed maximum payload 
> reduced from 18lbs to 11lbs -- that seven pounds makes a HUGE difference -- 
> so someone doesn't get killed in action and b) get a diving board 
> replacement under warranty from Nitto. I'll let everyone here know how 
> things work out. I know Riv sells the diving board but they also charge a 
> minimum shipping charge of $35 to Canada -- or at least they did the last 
> time I ordered from them. At any rate, the M18 is going to be replaced by a 
> beefed up VO Porteur rack with the Surly upper rack kit teamed up with 
> p-clamps. And, yes, I'll be adding a strap this time on top of that bit of 
> insurance.
>
> What I would really like to see is Rivendell adding a proviso at the 
> bottom of this page http://www.rivbike.com/Racks-s/114.htm clearly 
> stating the need for a safety strap "just in case". I find it galling that 
> a couple of posters on this thread have mentioned Riv staff grabbing Irish 
> straps as safeguards for customers on the floor but they don't make that 
> knowledge public via the website. Shame on 'em!
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Bill Lindsay]

Northof49ncold,

Rivendell Bicycle Works sells the Mark's Rack.  Here is a link to the page. 
 

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r1.htm

The Mark's Rack page has 5 photos of the Mark's Rack.  4 of those 5 photos 
show the rack installed on the bicycle.  All 4 of those photos show the 
rack set up with triangulated double struts (which is not possible with an 
M18) and a Manny Strap installed.  On that page, Rivendell says the rack is 
rated to carry 4.4lbs.  

Why are you shaming Rivendell Bicycle Works again?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 11:50:42 AM UTC-7, Northof49ncold wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I have pristine unused, unbend diving board that came with my marks rack, 
>> if you need it. 
>>
>>
> Thanks for the offer Ron! I also appreciate you posting your set-ups 
> because I had never seen the Tubus fork mount adapter before. At the 
> moment, I'm dealing with Ben's Cycle to a) get their listed maximum payload 
> reduced from 18lbs to 11lbs -- that seven pounds makes a HUGE difference -- 
> so someone doesn't get killed in action and b) get a diving board 
> replacement under warranty from Nitto. I'll let everyone here know how 
> things work out. I know Riv sells the diving board but they also charge a 
> minimum shipping charge of $35 to Canada -- or at least they did the last 
> time I ordered from them. At any rate, the M18 is going to be replaced by a 
> beefed up VO Porteur rack with the Surly upper rack kit teamed up with 
> p-clamps. And, yes, I'll be adding a strap this time on top of that bit of 
> insurance.
>
> What I would really like to see is Rivendell adding a proviso at the 
> bottom of this page http://www.rivbike.com/Racks-s/114.htm clearly 
> stating the need for a safety strap "just in case". I find it galling that 
> a couple of posters on this thread have mentioned Riv staff grabbing Irish 
> straps as safeguards for customers on the floor but they don't make that 
> knowledge public via the website. Shame on 'em!
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

['Northof49ncold' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I have pristine unused, unbend diving board that came with my marks rack, 
> if you need it. 
>
>
Thanks for the offer Ron! I also appreciate you posting your set-ups 
because I had never seen the Tubus fork mount adapter before. At the 
moment, I'm dealing with Ben's Cycle to a) get their listed maximum payload 
reduced from 18lbs to 11lbs -- that seven pounds makes a HUGE difference -- 
so someone doesn't get killed in action and b) get a diving board 
replacement under warranty from Nitto. I'll let everyone here know how 
things work out. I know Riv sells the diving board but they also charge a 
minimum shipping charge of $35 to Canada -- or at least they did the last 
time I ordered from them. At any rate, the M18 is going to be replaced by a 
beefed up VO Porteur rack with the Surly upper rack kit teamed up with 
p-clamps. And, yes, I'll be adding a strap this time on top of that bit of 
insurance.

What I would really like to see is Rivendell adding a proviso at the bottom 
of this page http://www.rivbike.com/Racks-s/114.htm clearly stating the 
need for a safety strap "just in case". I find it galling that a couple of 
posters on this thread have mentioned Riv staff grabbing Irish straps as 
safeguards for customers on the floor but they don't make that knowledge 
public via the website. Shame on 'em!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Mark Reimer]

Scott, an easy work-around for that is using 10 speed road shifters and 9
speed mountain derailleurs. I'm running that on two bikes. Works 100%
perfectly. One bike has 10sp Dura Ace bar ends mated to an old XTR M950
derailleur. The other to an XT M772.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Scott McLain 
wrote:

> Be careful going to ten speed.  Remember that 9-speed shimano road works
> with 9-speed shimano mountain.  But with ten speed it does not.  I would
> stick with 9-speed.  If you go to 10-speed mountain cassette, you can use
> your same deraileur (probably) but you will need to get the micro-shift
> mountain bar ends.  This what surly is building their new LHT with.
>
> There are great youtube videos out there on how to adjust your rear
> derailleur.  I think your cable just needs adjusted.
>
> Scott
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:05:25 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Ok, this is a bit off topic, my apologies, but I am perplexed.
>>
>> I run 9 speed silver friction shifter on all of my bikes except the
>> tandem, which has Shimano bar ends.  I usually run it in friction, mostly
>> because I don't have regular experience with indexing and when they need
>> adjustment, I struggle until I say, oh the hell with it.  But I have been
>> trying to get this indexing right because I am thinking I want to try 10
>> speed on this bike.  So here's what's happening.
>>
>> I can lift the chain from the outside 11 to the inside 28 in consistent
>> steps, but when I try to drop the chain it hangs up for an extra click
>> right at the start  and then jumps across the 12 to the 11 at the end.
>> Occasionally, it will jump from the 9 to the 7 position on the second
>> click.   Everything works OK in friction mode, although the 9 to 8 did seem
>> a bit wider, so I tightened the low set screw until the chain would just
>> barely reach, then backed it out a couple of degrees.  This made no
>> difference.  It just occurred to me that I have not measured the chain, but
>> it's hard to see how that could cause this behavior.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Hot, even in VT.
>>
>> Michael
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/p4Ne75v5T7s/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Nine Speed Index Setup

[René Sterental]

I converted my Bike Friday from 9 to 10 speed. I always do indexed, but on
that bike I was having a lot of issues with the rear shifting being
"imprecise". No amount of adjustment worked.

I kept the 9 speed XT RD and replaced the barends and chain with the
Shimano 10 speed equivalents. Also replaced the Tiagra triple with a René
Herse 32/48 double crankset and the housing. Rear XT 11/36 cassette.

The shifting is now super precise. The 10 speed indexed barend (rear) has
harder indents than the 9 speed had. Perfect shifting. Very happy.

Still don't know what the issue was with the 9 speed, but it was never as
good.

Go for it!

René

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016, Scott McLain  wrote:

> Be careful going to ten speed.  Remember that 9-speed shimano road works
> with 9-speed shimano mountain.  But with ten speed it does not.  I would
> stick with 9-speed.  If you go to 10-speed mountain cassette, you can use
> your same deraileur (probably) but you will need to get the micro-shift
> mountain bar ends.  This what surly is building their new LHT with.
>
> There are great youtube videos out there on how to adjust your rear
> derailleur.  I think your cable just needs adjusted.
>
> Scott
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:05:25 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Ok, this is a bit off topic, my apologies, but I am perplexed.
>>
>> I run 9 speed silver friction shifter on all of my bikes except the
>> tandem, which has Shimano bar ends.  I usually run it in friction, mostly
>> because I don't have regular experience with indexing and when they need
>> adjustment, I struggle until I say, oh the hell with it.  But I have been
>> trying to get this indexing right because I am thinking I want to try 10
>> speed on this bike.  So here's what's happening.
>>
>> I can lift the chain from the outside 11 to the inside 28 in consistent
>> steps, but when I try to drop the chain it hangs up for an extra click
>> right at the start  and then jumps across the 12 to the 11 at the end.
>> Occasionally, it will jump from the 9 to the 7 position on the second
>> click.   Everything works OK in friction mode, although the 9 to 8 did seem
>> a bit wider, so I tightened the low set screw until the chain would just
>> barely reach, then backed it out a couple of degrees.  This made no
>> difference.  It just occurred to me that I have not measured the chain, but
>> it's hard to see how that could cause this behavior.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Hot, even in VT.
>>
>> Michael
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
> 
> .
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/21/2016 08:48 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:


As I posted on the tandem discussion "tandems create the worst 
possible case for shifting.  They have long cables that stretch a lot; 
 the captain & stoker may have difficulty coordinating pedal pressure 
during shifting; they require a higher hi gear because its easy to 
spin out and they require a lower low gear because they don't climb as 
effectively as a single.  Finally the captain and stoker often prefer 
different cadences making big jumps between gears hard to satisfy both 
riders."  So in order to solve some of these problems I am thinking 
about moving from a 9 speed 48/38/26 & 11/28 to  a 52/38/28 with a 10 
speed 11/30 or 32.




54 x 12 makes a very sweet tandem top gear.  I'm personally not 
persuaded anything more recent betters the old XTR 8 spd 12-32 for 
tandem use, esp. when mated with a triple with a 54 x 42 x 26, giving 
you gearing like this:


120.4   93.758.0
103.2   80.349.7
90.370.243.5
80.362.438.7
68.853.533.1
60.246.829.0
51.640.124.8
45.235.121.7




--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Minh]

i've not installed on my sam, but have installed on a side-pull-braked 
bike, for me (and it was a similiar sized bike to my sam) i had to cut some 
of the bottom tangs off as i wanted to use one of the holes farther up and 
the tangs interfered at the drop-outs.  

you also have to bend that fork tang quite a bit to clear the front brakes. 
 the daruma option will eat up space under the fork crown, so not a perfect 
solution.

i'd still investigate drew's suggestion as that's a much cleaner install 
than the tang behind the brake.

would not have been my first choice given your stated requirements, but 
good luck!

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:40:43 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> O_o
>
> Sounds advanced.
>
> I'll see how it looks/works/feels "stock" first.  
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:37:00 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>
>> You could also use the surly hardware with the vo constructeur to go 
>> laterally to the midfork eyelets and cut off the tang altogether. 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] The "Friend" – a sweet cyclotouring bike

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/21/2016 11:27 AM, Jan Heine wrote:
In Japan, I saw a bike that, according to my friends, "was every boy's 
dream". I think it still would be a dream today, and not just for boys...


https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/06/21/the-friend-an-affordable-touring-bike/

Enjoy!




That's a lovely looking bike.  Sensible and pretty as well.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Anybody attend the Rivendell book reading for Bike Snob?

[Joe Bernard]

I liked the answer on e-bikes 'cause I have one and I knew it wouldn't be a 
popular subject. Eben was supportive of pedal-assist on hilly commutes, which I 
agree is the strongest selling point: It gets people riding bikes on routes 
they would normally use a car for. 

Then he launched into e-mountain biking, which was hilarious. (Paraphrased) "If 
you want to go mountain biking, go do it! It's recreation!" His point being 
that if you need a motor to go bomb some singletrack on the weekend, maybe you 
should find a hobby you can actually DO. Which I agreed with...until I bonked 
on the dirt ride. I was, like, "Dang, my eCLEM on low-assist for the steepest 
parts would be GREAT here." 

So yeah, I'll probably do it one of these days because there's plenty of room 
to move off-trail and away from other riders and hikers, but tight singletrack 
places like China Camp in Marin would be a no-no. And even if I do the open 
space trail, he's still right: Electric mountain biking is stupid!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Ron Mc]

I have pristine unused, unbend diving board that came with my marks rack, 
if you need it. 

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 12:59:13 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> the "diving board" broke at the bend
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Mark's/M18 failures?

[Ron Mc]

the "diving board" broke at the bend

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Scott McLain]

Be careful going to ten speed.  Remember that 9-speed shimano road works 
with 9-speed shimano mountain.  But with ten speed it does not.  I would 
stick with 9-speed.  If you go to 10-speed mountain cassette, you can use 
your same deraileur (probably) but you will need to get the micro-shift 
mountain bar ends.  This what surly is building their new LHT with.

There are great youtube videos out there on how to adjust your rear 
derailleur.  I think your cable just needs adjusted.  

Scott

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:05:25 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Ok, this is a bit off topic, my apologies, but I am perplexed.
>
> I run 9 speed silver friction shifter on all of my bikes except the 
> tandem, which has Shimano bar ends.  I usually run it in friction, mostly 
> because I don't have regular experience with indexing and when they need 
> adjustment, I struggle until I say, oh the hell with it.  But I have been 
> trying to get this indexing right because I am thinking I want to try 10 
> speed on this bike.  So here's what's happening.
>
> I can lift the chain from the outside 11 to the inside 28 in consistent 
> steps, but when I try to drop the chain it hangs up for an extra click 
> right at the start  and then jumps across the 12 to the 11 at the end. 
>  Occasionally, it will jump from the 9 to the 7 position on the second 
> click.   Everything works OK in friction mode, although the 9 to 8 did seem 
> a bit wider, so I tightened the low set screw until the chain would just 
> barely reach, then backed it out a couple of degrees.  This made no 
> difference.  It just occurred to me that I have not measured the chain, but 
> it's hard to see how that could cause this behavior.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Hot, even in VT.
>
> Michael
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Ron Mc]

Very good point Mark.  I've saved leftovers of Yokozuna Reaction derailleur 
cables, and every bike around here has those on the RD final bend.  

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 11:27:47 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> One other thing to consider - the quality and condition of cable/housing.
>
> With friction shifting you can get away with poorer quality cables and 
> housing. You can also be a bit sloppier during installation. but I've found 
> that with indexed, particularly 10 speed or higher, and particularly with 
> bar-ends (if you're doing this) it is ESSENTIAL to make sure you've got 
> good quality housing with no little barbs/burrs at the end from cutting. 
> I'll often take a file to clean it up, or even a dremel, then use a needle 
> to open up the squished liner so there is no drag. I only use teflon coated 
> cables, which makes a substantial difference. 
>
> A tell-tale sign of cable drag is perfect shifting as you move up the 
> cassette, but a drag when you move down and release cable tension. 
>
> Something to add to the list to check!
>
>>
>>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Tandem

[tarik saleh]

Manny,

That is a hell of a photo set.  Nice picture proving.

Cheers,

Tarik


On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Manuel Acosta <
manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Tandem looks good.
>
> Rides good with the proper captain and stoker.
>
> Will and Roman can attest.
>
> Pictures proved that tandems are not slow up dirt roads (when you have the
> proper captain and stoker)
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskCvrS8H
>
> Manny "The stoker makes no mistakes" Acosta
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>



-- 
Tarik Saleh
tas at tariksaleh dot com
in los alamos, NM, USA, po box 208, 87544
http://tariksaleh.com
all sorts of bikes blog: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] FS: Original Equipment Quickbeam SR Crankset

[Eric Norris]

I have an original-equipment Quickbeam crankset for sale—the SR version with 
40/32 rings and chain guard. Nice condition, with one exception: There is a 
pedal in the right side crank arm that I can’t get out. I’m not sure how, but 
it’s in there really, really tight. The pedal is a Crank Brothers Candy with a 
grey composite body.

I’ll include both the left and right pedals and sell the whole thing for $75 
shipped in the CONUS. If you like Crank Bros pedals, you’re set, or … you can 
work harder than I did and get that stubborn right side pedal out.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Scott McLain]

I think the San Marcos is going to be a great bike for you.  I also believe 
it takes a quill stem which if you go with the Tallux will let you put the 
bars nice so you can keep your drop bars if you like.

Scott

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:00:22 AM UTC-6, PineTarSoap wrote:
>
> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>
> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>
> Questions:
> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page is 
> the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however the 
> 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd to 
> me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

[Mark Reimer]

One other thing to consider - the quality and condition of cable/housing.

With friction shifting you can get away with poorer quality cables and 
housing. You can also be a bit sloppier during installation. but I've found 
that with indexed, particularly 10 speed or higher, and particularly with 
bar-ends (if you're doing this) it is ESSENTIAL to make sure you've got 
good quality housing with no little barbs/burrs at the end from cutting. 
I'll often take a file to clean it up, or even a dremel, then use a needle 
to open up the squished liner so there is no drag. I only use teflon coated 
cables, which makes a substantial difference. 

A tell-tale sign of cable drag is perfect shifting as you move up the 
cassette, but a drag when you move down and release cable tension. 

Something to add to the list to check!

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:48:46 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I was really optimistic about this and worked hard at it, even had stoker 
> Pat with her quilters eye confirm my alignment.  It didn't change the 
> outcome.  Then I measured the chain and found it at .75, so cleaned up the 
> rings, cogs, & pulleys and then put on a new chain.  This helped.  Now when 
> I drop down from the largest cogs it simply hesitates until I put a tad 
> more pressure on the shifter.  When I get down to the middle of the 
> cassette, it starts to work perfectly.  I am considering trying a new 
> cassette but would need to buy one and since I have been thinking about 
> moving to 10 speed, hesitate.
>
> As I posted on the tandem discussion "tandems create the worst possible 
> case for shifting.  They have long cables that stretch a lot;  the captain 
> & stoker may have difficulty coordinating pedal pressure during shifting; 
> they require a higher hi gear because its easy to spin out and they require 
> a lower low gear because they don't climb as effectively as a single. 
>  Finally the captain and stoker often prefer different cadences making big 
> jumps between gears hard to satisfy both riders."  So in order to solve 
> some of these problems I am thinking about moving from a 9 speed 48/38/26 & 
> 11/28 to  a 52/38/28 with a 10 speed 11/30 or 32.
>
> Michael
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 6:20:32 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> As you're looking at the bike from behind, your derailer pulleys are 
>> lined up slightly to the right of the center of each cog. In this position 
>> you'll get a clean shift to the left towards bigger cogs, but as it moves 
>> to the right towards smaller, the chain wants to skip too far right to the 
>> next smaller cog.
>>
>> What you want to do is get the chain/derailer/pulleys under the middle 
>> cog, then adjust until everything is directly lined up, or possibly even 
>> slightly biased to the left. If your derailer has an adjuster thingy where 
>> the cable enters derailer, turn it counterclockwise to slightly budge those 
>> pulleys leftward. If not you'll need to mess with the cable anchor until 
>> you have things where you need them. 
>>
>> Hopefully this all makes sense. Good luck!
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Finding fun in un-un-racing

[Mark Reimer]

Jan, ya nailed it!

I've been racing for the last 6-7 years, and it's been fun, but lately have 
been focusing much more on pushing myself in other ways - longer distance, 
more consecutive days of long distance, extreme cold s24o's, whatever. Just 
new things to challenge myself. And at the same time, I enjoy putting 
around the park on my albatross atlantis with a beer in hand. Point is, you 
don't have to be a "racer" to enjoy pushing yourself. And you also don't 
have to push yourself to enjoy yourself :) 

Today I rode to work an averaged about 15km/h haha. Smelling the flowers. 
Then on Saturday I'm doing a 180km/h trail ride in the rain, followed by 
another 240km of trails over the next two days, camping, and forecast calls 
for a lot of rain. I like to think I'm a balanced human being. 

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:18:41 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I agree with Jan, but also with Mark -- but then, I see no real conflict, 
> just 2 different populations. Me, I am a recovering compulsive time trialer 
> who used to turn every commute into a record effort, and as I got older -- 
> into my mid 50s -- that became less and less fun. So, over the last 5-7 
> years I've gradually learned to take it easier (I removed all the 
> computers), and I enjoy riding more. 
>
> But, I still like to ride "energetically", still time myself, and 
> especially -- and this is a key point, I think -- I enjoy the *feel* of a 
> bike optimized, at least to a degree, for efficiency and speed. After all, 
> one of the great pleasures of cycling is, to use my brother's phrase, the 
> sensation of *efficient* motion.
>
> I think that even casual riders will get more pleasure from a relatively 
> efficient bike than from one that, say, is needlessly heavy or that has 
> wooden tires.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Tandem

[Kieran J]

That's the way I see it. It's a fun and versatile all-rounder of a bike, 
not a traditional road-touring bike the way most tandems seem to be. That 
said, I do wonder how it would ride with some nice plump Compass Switchback 
Hills on it 

 >>I believe Grant has suggested the lower profile Chocos for the captain 
and Boscos for the stoker as being one good choice for this bicycle. 

I think it's actually the other way around, with the Chocos for the stoker. 
I could also see a moustache or albastache bar being great for the rear 
position. 

Personally, I don't know if I'll ever go back to drops on any of my bikes. 
It's funny - of all the bars I've tried, I found them to provide by far the 
least degree of control. Mind you, I did grow up riding MTBs rather than 
road bikes.

KJ


On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:59:09 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I don't have a whole lot of tandem experience, but I am looking forward to 
> changing the captain's drop bars on my new-to-me Santana Vision (later 
> changed to Fusion? Anyway, similar 26" bike with fat tire capabilities) to 
> Albatross or similar upright bars. We've tested it enough for me to know 
> that I will much prefer the more upright position (my stoker being my tall 
> for his age six and a half year old). I had a similar dislike of the drops 
> on my 650b Follis. In fact, I think I will not only get more comfort with 
> the uprights, but also* more* control, with very little loss of speed, 
> especially when on the curves. Win win win! I suspect many of the captains 
> with drops ride them because that's what the bicycle came with and the 
> thought of changing them out never crossed their minds. I believe Grant has 
> suggested the lower profile Chocos for the captain and Boscos for the 
> stoker as being one good choice for this bicycle. The Jones bar is also 
> highly regarded on this list, and offers a few hand positions for long 
> rides. I would ask Rivendell directly about how it might work with drop 
> bars.
>
> Obviously the Riv tandem is not going to be a tandem rally speedster. It 
> is falling squarely in the upright Riv category from what I can tell--a 
> deluxe Schwinn Twinn is I think how Grant has referred to it, a family 
> style tandem. Whereas, other than the very low end, the think alike bikes 
> are the go fast, carbon, 11 speed, but with two seats. Even Santana only 
> has one fat tire offering these days, an aluminum single speed cruiser with 
> flat bars, 26" wheels, and belt drive for $3,000. Then the line goes right 
> to 700c racing derived bicycles. Give me an HHH any day.
>
> Long cables are of course not unique to Riv tandems. If there is a lot of 
> the run inside housing, might be worth it to try compressionless.
>
> Right now our main sync problem is the fact that, with the crank 
> shorteners, he is spinning a 100mm crank, vs. the 135 on his single, plus 
> just getting used to having to pedal when I pedal, vs. the Burley Piccolo 
> being independent. By the end of the second test ride, he seemed fine.
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] The "Friend" – a sweet cyclotouring bike

[Jan Heine]

In Japan, I saw a bike that, according to my friends, "was every boy's 
dream". I think it still would be a dream today, and not just for boys...

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/06/21/the-friend-an-affordable-touring-bike/

Enjoy!

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
www.bikequarterly.com

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Jeremy Till]

So I got my Clem set up with tubeless knobbies (Spec. Fast Trak 29x2.2) and 
my wife and I went singletracking with our Clems over the weekend.  In 
general, I was super happy with how the Clem performed as a mountain 
bike--it was exactly what i was hoping for.  Bullet points:

Upsides of long chainstays:
-Climbing moderately steep stuff, the long chainstays performed exactly as 
intended, allowing me to climb with a relaxed upper body position without 
the front wheel popping up or losing traction.  
-Descending was equally awesome.  Putting my weight back behind the saddle, 
I felt perfectly balanced, with both plenty of front wheel steering 
authority and no feeling like I was going to go over the bars.  As many 
have described with long chainstay bikes, that "sweet spot" of balance was 
really wide.  
-The low bb and big tires gave me a wonderful "in the bike feeling" that 
even other 29er's haven't had for me.  
-One unexpected benefit from the long wheelbase was stability in deep sand. 
 The park where we were riding (Granite Bay on Folsom Lake, CA) has plenty 
of sandy washes and the Clem just plowed through them with none of the 
nervousness that one usually feels in such conditions.  

Theoretical downsides:
-While climbing steep stuff, not once did I feel like the rear wheel 
lacking for traction, at least any more so than normal-chainstayed 29er's 
I've ridden.
-There were a couple of times where I was "threading the needle" between 
obstacles where I could get the front wheel through but then the rear wheel 
hit the obstacle (but just self-corrected and rolled right over, thanks to 
the big wheels), but honestly that can happen on pretty much any bike.  
-I did smack pedals a couple of times, but again, that happens on most any 
bike, and the handling benefits of long chainstays and low BB make it a 
fine compromise for me.  

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 3:44:48 PM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> I'm running Switchbacks Mark, but mine's totally just noob mistakes. I 
> never pedal through turns, but I'd also never had a bike where I had to pay 
> any particular thought to raising the inside pedal before the turn. I mean, 
> I've scraped the end of a few before, but on the Clem that sucker just 
> slammed into the ground and about knocked the bike over the first time I 
> took that little crest lazily. In my case, I guess I didn't so much have to 
> raise my cornering game as bother to bring one at all. Like masmojo, quick 
> to adjust for it, but yeah. It probably does come down to both the lowish 
> BB and the tendency for the wheels to straddle obstacles. No big deal at 
> all, if amusing for trail users when I forget, but definitely a thing I had 
> to start paying attention to for the first time as just a commuter.
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 5:01:29 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Hmm. I have not been riding the Clementine off road and I doubt I have 
>> your off-road skills. I can see where the bike could get "hung up" 
>> especially on a grade. But speed bumps with no lean, that would be purely a 
>> bb height issue, no? Are you guys both running the Compass Switchbacks? Are 
>> they appreciably less tall than the stock Kendas?
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:26:18 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually,  the problem I am having is more of an issue with uneven 
>>> surfaces, although the turning plays into it as well. The further the 
>>> wheels are apart the more likely that a bump or object can stick up between 
>>> them and you pedal can hit it while it rotates around.  Generally,  you you 
>>> anticipate this and level your pedals until you clear that area, but in 
>>> said circumstance mentioned earlier with getting the front wheel over 
>>> objects,  many times I will clear it with my front wheel to find my pedals 
>>> strike the object which tends to suddenly stop me dead in my tracks! I used 
>>> to race mountain bikes so I have fair bike handling skills,  I don't have 
>>> this issue on any other bike and generally not on the Clementine,  but it 
>>> does bite me from time to time. I've also scraped the pedals on speed bumps 
>>> which is odd, because I've never had an issue hitting them before.  Ive 
>>> learned my lesson though,  haven't done that in a while. 
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Tandem

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't have a whole lot of tandem experience, but I am looking forward to 
changing the captain's drop bars on my new-to-me Santana Vision (later 
changed to Fusion? Anyway, similar 26" bike with fat tire capabilities) to 
Albatross or similar upright bars. We've tested it enough for me to know 
that I will much prefer the more upright position (my stoker being my tall 
for his age six and a half year old). I had a similar dislike of the drops 
on my 650b Follis. In fact, I think I will not only get more comfort with 
the uprights, but also* more* control, with very little loss of speed, 
especially when on the curves. Win win win! I suspect many of the captains 
with drops ride them because that's what the bicycle came with and the 
thought of changing them out never crossed their minds. I believe Grant has 
suggested the lower profile Chocos for the captain and Boscos for the 
stoker as being one good choice for this bicycle. The Jones bar is also 
highly regarded on this list, and offers a few hand positions for long 
rides. I would ask Rivendell directly about how it might work with drop 
bars.

Obviously the Riv tandem is not going to be a tandem rally speedster. It is 
falling squarely in the upright Riv category from what I can tell--a deluxe 
Schwinn Twinn is I think how Grant has referred to it, a family style 
tandem. Whereas, other than the very low end, the think alike bikes are the 
go fast, carbon, 11 speed, but with two seats. Even Santana only has one 
fat tire offering these days, an aluminum single speed cruiser with flat 
bars, 26" wheels, and belt drive for $3,000. Then the line goes right to 
700c racing derived bicycles. Give me an HHH any day.

Long cables are of course not unique to Riv tandems. If there is a lot of 
the run inside housing, might be worth it to try compressionless.

Right now our main sync problem is the fact that, with the crank 
shorteners, he is spinning a 100mm crank, vs. the 135 on his single, plus 
just getting used to having to pedal when I pedal, vs. the Burley Piccolo 
being independent. By the end of the second test ride, he seemed fine.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:40:52 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I have looked at the picture and the specs posted on hubbahubbha and find 
> myself with three concerns.  First, I hope the bike can handle drop bars. 
>  Since starting to ride a tandem 6 years ago my wife and I have done a 
> couple of three day rallies every year.  I have no memory of seeing a 
> tandem with upright captain bars, other than recumbents.  There may be 
> a number of reasons for this but in any case all the captains I see, who 
> are regular riders seem to prefer the added comfort & control of drop bars. 
>  Second, the stoker compartment looks tight.  We spread our out 6 cm beyond 
> what Santana & Co-Moion offer and than added Albatros bars.  Pat really 
> likes the added space and not feeling like she is pressed up against my 
> back.  Third, tandems create the worst possible case for shifting.  They 
> have long cables that stretch a lot;  the captain & stoker may have 
> difficulty coordinating pedal pressure during shifting; they require a 
> higher hi gear because its easy to spin out and they require a lower low 
> gear because they don't climb as effectively as a single.  Finally the 
> captain and stoker often prefer different cadences making big jumps between 
> gears hard to satisfy both riders.
>
> I have wanted to see RBW get into this market because the big players 
>  make a lot of think alike bikes. 
>
> Michael 
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 12:46:29 AM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> Tandem looks good.
>>
>> Rides good with the proper captain and stoker.
>>
>> Will and Roman can attest.
>>
>> Pictures proved that tandems are not slow up dirt roads (when you have 
>> the proper captain and stoker)
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHskCvrS8H
>>
>> Manny "The stoker makes no mistakes" Acosta
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Anybody attend the Rivendell book reading for Bike Snob?

[David Stein]

I don't remember too many of the questions now, something like 'what is the
craziest city for bicycling' or 'what is the future of cycling'.
PineTarSoap's description is pretty accurate, he comes off in person as a
pretty dry, sarcastic, funny guy who lucked into making money off the blog
(he actually did have a funny anecdote about this - with the blog writing
being a step up from his day job), and his answers to the questions
reflected that. You can see him hesitate a little bit on each question,
thinking 'how the hell am i going to answer that?!?!'

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:06 PM, PineTarSoap  wrote:

> I went as well and the above descriptions are accurate. His blog
> (BikeSnobNYC) is hilarious and while I go months forgetting to look at it,
> whenever I do, I am always very amused. His focus is bikes of course, but
> you wouldn't have to be that into bikes to enjoy it. He is simply a good
> writer.
>
> You sort of expect him to have some sort of life plan or be on a mission
> about bicycles, but what comes out when he speaks is that he is just a guy
> who fell into writing a blog that became a hit and his world is about
> amusing vignettes rather than crusading for bicycle advocacy.
>
> Grant's rambling but hilarious anecdote about the traffic ticket stole the
> show for me however!
>
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:35:15 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Lungimsam: I think the movie was a Grant thing. It's his vibe, and Eben
>> isn't old enough to remember it ;)
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iCZ8OHUh41c/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Philip Kim]

For reference, I'm 5'6", 78cm PBH, and 150lb.

I don't think Rivendell carries it anymore. I ordered my frame through a 
Soma dealer, make sure you ask for the nice bend fork, instead of the 
banana fork if those things matter to you.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:00:22 AM UTC-4, PineTarSoap wrote:
>
> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>
> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>
> Questions:
> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page is 
> the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however the 
> 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd to 
> me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Philip Kim]

for reference my PBH is 78cm, I'm 5'6", and abuot 145-150lb.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:24:45 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've rode/owned all those bikes you've mentioned at one time or another. 
> IMO, the San Marcos is just the ticket. It handles the same as the Sam, but 
> made of heat treated, and lighter tubing. So it's just as stable, but a 
> more "spirited" ride. Still can carry a good load (I've hauled about 15lb 
> on a basket up front no problems), and has brazeons for a rear rack. At the 
> end of the day though, the San Marcos is more of a road bike, and I think 
> it would be perfect for your commute. I used it commute from DC to VA and 
> it's mostly uphill for about a mile into Virginia. Climbs better than the 
> Sam Hillborne and Cheviot, IMO.
>
> I have the same PBH and the 51cm is perfect size. Don't size down, if 
> you're using it for road use, no need for too much standover. The sloping 
> top tube will get your handlebars up nice and high. The 47cm will be too 
> small, and the reach to the handlebars will be a bit cramped because of the 
> slacker headtube angle and sloping top tube. The way the top tube and 
> angles all work, it can easily be changed from drop to upright cockpit. 
> I've found 70-80mm stem with drops are nice, and 110mm with Albatross 
> handlebars work well for me.  If you're planning on using Albatross bars, 
> definitely don't size down.
>
> Mine is outfitted with Hetres, which are a dream to ride. Though for more 
> pure pavement use, the Compass 650bx38's feel a bit faster (i'm sure it's 
> just in my head as commute times were the same), and will work better under 
> fenders.
>
> I used to have a Sam, sold it for a Chev out of curiosity. Eventually sold 
> it for a San Marcos because I put an order in for a Hunqapillar and seemed 
> like too much overlap. Hunqapillar is now my only bike, but gave the Soma 
> to my girlfriend, so it's easily accessible for me to ride.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:00:22 AM UTC-4, PineTarSoap wrote:
>>
>> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
>> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
>> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
>> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
>> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
>> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>>
>> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
>> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
>> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
>> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
>> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
>> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page 
>> is the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
>> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however 
>> the 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd 
>> to me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Philip Kim]

Hi,

I've rode/owned all those bikes you've mentioned at one time or another. 
IMO, the San Marcos is just the ticket. It handles the same as the Sam, but 
made of heat treated, and lighter tubing. So it's just as stable, but a 
more "spirited" ride. Still can carry a good load (I've hauled about 15lb 
on a basket up front no problems), and has brazeons for a rear rack. At the 
end of the day though, the San Marcos is more of a road bike, and I think 
it would be perfect for your commute. I used it commute from DC to VA and 
it's mostly uphill for about a mile into Virginia. Climbs better than the 
Sam Hillborne and Cheviot, IMO.

I have the same PBH and the 51cm is perfect size. Don't size down, if 
you're using it for road use, no need for too much standover. The sloping 
top tube will get your handlebars up nice and high. The 47cm will be too 
small, and the reach to the handlebars will be a bit cramped because of the 
slacker headtube angle and sloping top tube. The way the top tube and 
angles all work, it can easily be changed from drop to upright cockpit. 
I've found 70-80mm stem with drops are nice, and 110mm with Albatross 
handlebars work well for me.  If you're planning on using Albatross bars, 
definitely don't size down.

Mine is outfitted with Hetres, which are a dream to ride. Though for more 
pure pavement use, the Compass 650bx38's feel a bit faster (i'm sure it's 
just in my head as commute times were the same), and will work better under 
fenders.

I used to have a Sam, sold it for a Chev out of curiosity. Eventually sold 
it for a San Marcos because I put an order in for a Hunqapillar and seemed 
like too much overlap. Hunqapillar is now my only bike, but gave the Soma 
to my girlfriend, so it's easily accessible for me to ride.

Hope that helps.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:00:22 AM UTC-4, PineTarSoap wrote:
>
> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>
> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>
> Questions:
> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page is 
> the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however the 
> 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd to 
> me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: If you happen to live in Portland, Oregon...

[John A. Bennett]

Excellent suggestion, but I believe the Kenton PO is closed on Saturday.

Heading East by South East and then South.

On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 9:47:30 AM UTC-7, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> Any hints on where the ride is headin', John?  I'll guess we may swing by 
> the Kenton USPS to tip our hats to Leo?
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 7:28:10 AM UTC-7, John A. Bennett wrote:
>>
>> ...and like Rivendell Bicycle Works, our 1st Anniversary Ride & Party is 
>> next Saturday, June 25. 
>>
>> It would be great to see you.
>>
>> Details in this link:
>>
>>
>> http://us10.campaign-archive1.com/?u=ee06522cb612a1b08f4cb63b1=be9011e131=[UNIQID]
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Soma San Marcos questions....

[PineTarSoap]

I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.

I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
Rodeo would as well but at more cost.

Questions:
1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page is 
the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however the 
51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd to 
me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Anybody attend the Rivendell book reading for Bike Snob?

[PineTarSoap]

I went as well and the above descriptions are accurate. His blog 
(BikeSnobNYC) is hilarious and while I go months forgetting to look at it, 
whenever I do, I am always very amused. His focus is bikes of course, but 
you wouldn't have to be that into bikes to enjoy it. He is simply a good 
writer. 

You sort of expect him to have some sort of life plan or be on a mission 
about bicycles, but what comes out when he speaks is that he is just a guy 
who fell into writing a blog that became a hit and his world is about 
amusing vignettes rather than crusading for bicycle advocacy.

Grant's rambling but hilarious anecdote about the traffic ticket stole the 
show for me however!

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:35:15 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Lungimsam: I think the movie was a Grant thing. It's his vibe, and Eben 
> isn't old enough to remember it ;)

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[Jon Craig]

Yeah that's pretty dry. Makes things feel not-as-bad though 100 is still 
fairly nasty.

Karachi... Pakistan?  Seems like that would be a hell hole for lots more 
reasons than just the climate.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 9:33:08 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> It's at 41% right now, if WU can be believed, and bottoms out at a 
> relatively high -- for us, mid day, summer -- 15%. But yes, it is in the 
> general sense of the word, dry. I used to live in W DC (and Karachi, what a 
> hell hole -- no rain and high humidity).
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[Patrick Moore]

It's at 41% right now, if WU can be believed, and bottoms out at a
relatively high -- for us, mid day, summer -- 15%. But yes, it is in the
general sense of the word, dry. I used to live in W DC (and Karachi, what a
hell hole -- no rain and high humidity).

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:30 AM, Jon Craig  wrote:

> It's dry in NM though isn't it?
>
> (I'm from California originally and have been to the Mojave desert often.
> 110 there isn't as bad as 90 is here - humidity sucks!)
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 9:25:35 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> 104 outside my door yesterday afternoon, but only briefly, and today is
>> claimed to peak at about 98.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, in ABQ, NM
>>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>



-- 
Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
Other professional writing services.
http://www.resumespecialties.com/
www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
**
**
*The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu

*Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
world revolves.) *Carthusian motto

*It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart

*Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[Jon Craig]

It's dry in NM though isn't it?

(I'm from California originally and have been to the Mojave desert often. 
110 there isn't as bad as 90 is here - humidity sucks!)

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 9:25:35 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 104 outside my door yesterday afternoon, but only briefly, and today is 
> claimed to peak at about 98.
>
> Patrick Moore, in ABQ, NM
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[Patrick Moore]

"The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco." Mark Twain

Not too long ago on the Lovely Bicycle blog, I had to laugh when the
writer, living in Northern Ireland, complained about the heat at 20*C --
68*F.

104 outside my door yesterday afternoon, but only briefly, and today is
claimed to peak at about 98.

Patrick Moore, in ABQ, NM

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> Just to give you folks something pleasant to think about, it was 65F here
> in Anacortes, WA today.  I meandered through town on a nine mile ride after
> work; still managed to work up a slight sweat.  I'll be glad when I can do
> this on a Riv in a few months.  It's supposed to be up to 67 tomorrow.
>
> Tim
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>



-- 
Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
Other professional writing services.
http://www.resumespecialties.com/
www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
**
**
*The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu

*Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
world revolves.) *Carthusian motto

*It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart

*Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.