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2020-03-31 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

I’m surprised you’ve succeeded with a 9 speed road shifters with a wide 
cassette and mtb derailler in index mode. My own experience with this didnt 
work very well (and now that I’m reading, most internet advice says this won’t 
work). 

I’m no expert, so I’ll defer, but you are saying a shimano index 9 speed road 
shifter will pull the same amount of cable to work a 42t mtn cassette+xt 
derailler? 

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[RBW] Sew-Ups Anyone?

2020-03-31 Thread Corwin

Hi -

My first really nice bike had sew-up [now usually referred to as tubular]
tires. This was back in the day (mid '70s) of 27" wheels, full campy
grouppo, etc. I recall two things about sew-ups/tubulars:

1) The ride was incredible. Very smooth. Seemed to glide over the pavement.
All this even though the tires were less than 30mm wide.

2) Flats were a major hassle to fix. First you had to get the tire off the
bike. Sew-ups/tubulars are either glued to the rim or secured via two-sided
tape. Then you had to find the leak, pull back the strip covering the seam
in the casing (whence the name - sew-up), cut the seam near the leak, patch
the tube inside, re-sew the seam in the casing, secure the strip covering
the seam and reinstall the tire on the rim.

I had relegated sew-ups to the distant past until I saw Jan's recent post
on tubulars. That got me to thinking about a new set of Rich-built wheels
to go on my Riv custom. I have another bike to put the current set on, and
I would like to recover some of the ride of the old bike.

Which leads me to my question - which rim would be best for my wheels? The
rims need to be compatible with tubulars. Having ridden several sets of
bomb-proof wheels using Velocity rims, I naturally gravitated to the
Velocity Major Tom. Is there a better or more appropriate rim for tubulars?
I'm planning on using Jan's FMB tubulars; probably one of the 33mm tires.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Corwin

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[RBW] Re: FS Albastache & Billie bars (currently out of stock @Riv)

 tip of the iceberg...probably juggled 25 emails today for parts and a 
frame.  Need a respite 

Thanks again Philip!!!

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> Tell ‘em what else ya got! 
> I’m glad I got an Albastache. Thanks! 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS Albastache & Billie bars (currently out of stock @Riv)

2020-03-31 Thread Philip Williamson

Tell ‘em what else ya got!
I’m glad I got an Albastache. Thanks!

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Who needs a custom?

2020-03-31 Thread Philip Williamson

I have a custom built for me, and a custom built for someone else. The other 
man’s custom is flat out the prettiest bike that can exist. The one built for 
me has features that are never ever co-morbid. 

60mm tires and fenders
Rim brakes
31.6 dropper post 
Drop bar specific
Rack built for a basket (no hose clamps)
Wiring runs inside the fork and rack

Custom doesn’t suck. 
Fitz: https://www.instagram.com/p/B15KCAiF6Lj/
Frances: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-VKUACFKMS/

If I got a Rivendell custom it would be a sage green Legolas with Atlantis 
clearance and Golden Age chainstays. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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Re: [RBW] Wildlife on the streets during Stay At Home

2020-03-31 Thread Philip Williamson

“This town is coming up a goat’s town!” 
That was pretty amusing.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: What Fenders Are These?

2020-03-31 Thread Grady Wright

Thanks everyone. Those were the two fenders I had narrowed it down to. The 
Simworks internal measurement seems to small and further inspection of the 
photo on the Blug and your butternut Aapploosa here I think they most 
likely are the VO fenders. 

Thanks for sharing the pictures of your Appaloosas. Those are both great 
builds. 

Happy trails. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

2020-03-31 Thread Grady Wright

Currently out of stock but Rivendell has started selling 9s Chains for 
their long chainstays. 

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/chains/products/long-chain


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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Presale

2020-03-31 Thread lambbo

My LBS installed it, I'm not sure what they used sorry!

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:50:41 PM UTC-4, David Hays wrote:
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> Do you have a recommendation?
>  
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:24 PM, lambbo > 
> wrote:
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> I use an e-bike chain on my cheviot, because they are much longer and fit 
> without putting two together, and they are durable.  No problems so far. 
>
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[RBW] Re: To 10 speed or not? a compatibility question

Hmm, you must not have 9-speed Shimano bar-ends then, maybe it's 8 and that's 
why you're not using the clicky side. In that case you need 9-speed but not 
Advent. You can get Shimano 9 bar-ends, or this Microshift (NOT Advent). 

Be aware that both are technically for Shimano road and I've only ever used the 
Shimanos with mountain derailers (it works). 

https://northwestbicycle.com/products/microshift-bar-end-shifter-set-9-speed-road-double-triple-shimano-compatible-silver-ld0109?utm_medium=cpc_source=google_campaign=Google%20Shopping=Cj0KCQjw1Iv0BRDaARIsAGTWD1ssIAw7ffyMvbpMGqsFqjojwe6U340Z3CDdFwHbtLEMSGERrhMAC64aAq64EALw_wcB

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Re: [RBW] Wildlife on the streets during Stay At Home

2020-03-31 Thread Dorothy C

I just noticed the shop name in the background - "Ewe Felty Thing" very 
appropriate

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Re: [RBW] Wildlife on the streets during Stay At Home

2020-03-31 Thread Dorothy C

In North Wales near where my family live: 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/mar/31/llandudno-goats-herd-running-riot-coronavirus-lockdown

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Re: [RBW] Re: Semi-OT: chambray

2020-03-31 Thread bo richardson

the best denim shirt i ever had was Stronghold denim from LA
hugely expensive but on sale at orvis yers ago.
i lost it half way through its work life. 
they have different colors now.
sizing is wierd, although they may have it straightened out by now
Bo Richardson
Bellingham

so Jay do you ever stop bu Cafe Velo?

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[RBW] Re: To 10 speed or not? a compatibility question

I shouldve been more clear. I can get into the lowest gear just fine, but 
in friction, searching around for those low gears, and knowing your fully 
in them, when you just hit an unexpected steep spot can be tricky...for me. 
id like to just be able to click it and know where im at. 

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[RBW] To 10 speed or not? a compatibility question

Aside from any other compatibility issues - I believe an Advent shifter only 
clicks an Advent derailer - a different bar-end is not likely to solve your 
problem with getting into the largest cassette cog. Something else is 
preventing your derailer from wanting to make that stretch. 

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Presale

2020-03-31 Thread David Hays

Do you have a recommendation?
 

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:24 PM, lambbo  wrote:
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> I use an e-bike chain on my cheviot, because they are much longer and fit 
> without putting two together, and they are durable.  No problems so far. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What Is a Cheviot?

I've been reading back over the two threads I've started recently and 
discovered an hilarious phenomenon: Somehow I keep dragging Riv customs - and 
mine in particular - into the Cheviot discussion, and my attempt to start a 
"Riv customs" thread didn't include Riv in the title and they're talking about 
other bikes. I give up! 藍臘

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who needs a custom?

2020-03-31 Thread Mat Grewe

Swept back bars, yes'ish and no...  I'm running Koga Denham, which are now 
on whatbars if you are curious.  The below pic is just from the internet, 
but pretty similar to what I'm doing.  I have a slightly long torso for my 
height of 6'1", but I like being stretched out with the bars level with the 
saddle.  Top tube is 635mm and I'll use a 100mm stem.  I'll PM you about 
the frame price.

[image: Koga Denham handlebars, Velo Orange stem, Ergon GC1 grips, Shimano 
...]

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[RBW] To 10 speed or not? a compatibility question

ive been running shimano road bar ends, dura ace, i think, in friction mode
with a 9 speed very large cassette and XT mountain derailler. Works fine,
but i have a hard time dropping into a low gear when a steep spot sneaks up
on me. I bought some microshift 10 speed mtn bar ends a while back, not
because i want to go 10 speed, but because i wanted a bar end that would
index with a mountain derailler and large cassette. i was getting ready to
pull the trigger on buying a new 10 speed derailleur/cassette to pair with
the 10 speed shifters...

...Then i realized microshift has their 9 speed advent line. So, questions.

-if its truly compatible, it seems the easiest thing to do would be just
change out my dura-aces for the microshift advent bar ends, and keep my
current cassette and derailler. They say they are shimano compatible, so
that means with shimano derailler pull rations and stuff? am i missing
something? i'd rather not get into any sort of extra bits that make things
compatible. id like a clean system.

-is there a benefit, im not thinking of to go 10 speed? i dont find myself
lacking speeds. indexing is really what im looking for. i know that can be
heresy here, but ive been frictioning for the last decade, so ive done my
time.

-anything else, im not considering?

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Presale

2020-03-31 Thread lambbo

I use an e-bike chain on my cheviot, because they are much longer and fit 
without putting two together, and they are durable.  No problems so far. 


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[RBW] Re: FS cranks new Silver double 178mm, new Sun XCD arms 172.5

2020-03-31 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY

Drat! I really like my 178s, wish I could've snapped up these. If anybody has 
any they don't like, lemme know. I've got a Race Rosco with cranks that seem 2 
millimeters too long..
-Kai

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Re: [RBW] Re: What Is a Cheviot?

2020-03-31 Thread ted

As one who is prone to arguing that shaving a few lbs off a bike won’t make you 
all that much faster up a hill, let me clarify that I’m all in favor of making 
your bike light enough to pick up easily. Particularly if you have to lift it 
frequently.

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Presale

OH yeah, you need more chain, if you ever accidentally shift to big/big you got 
troubles like you don't wanna see! If that's 9-speed I probably have an extra 
bit with quick-links I can mail you. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who needs a custom?

The only Scottish genes I have are Scots Irish ones, greatly diluted with
English on the same side, and with Malay/Chinese/Spanish ones on the other,
so the tendencies are much attenuated.

Looking beyond Chauncey, my outside limit would be $5K for f/f/integrated
racks that fit the existing parts plus the newly-ordered ($92 shipped) VO
fenders. As it is, $3K should more than cover it all.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 5:13 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I'm curious about your budget, mostly just as an extension to your
> narrative.  You've told several times that Chauncey Matthews was really
> slow to build your previous custom, and as a partial apology charged you
> only $1000 for it.  You refused to pay that little and forced him to accept
> $1200, and have repeatedly said it's worth 2x to 3x the price.  Given all
> the special one of a kind fabrication associated with this new frame,
> including a rear spacing that he's likely never done before, it seems to me
> that this new project, with all it's details could be substantially more
> involved than your previous custom Matthews.  If you believe your previous
> Matthews should have cost $2400 to $3600, and if your new Matthews is say
> half-again more involved with details, should your budget be $3600-$5000?
> I was thinking about the numbers when you were asking about giving Bilenky
> the job.  As an urban-location builder, with an international reputation,
> I'd imagine Bilenky could easily cost double Chauncey Matthews, but then
> you'd be looking at a $7200 - $1 frameset, which I just can't imagine
> your Scottish genes allowing you to spend.
>
> What's your budget?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 4:01:07 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> Chauncey picked up the 2003 Curt this morning to use as the model for the
>> clone. At the last minute, we discussed tubing and I said, why not standard
>> gauge 531? I didn't specify "C", if that is even available nowadays, but I
>> told him, no touring-spec tubing, and Chauncey has a predilection for light
>> frames. He texted me just now and said he'd ordered 531. So we'll see if it
>> makes a difference over, say, oversized, thinwall, heat-treated tubing. I
>> expect it won't, but at least I'll have a new tout-531 frame.
>>
>> FWIW, all the light frames I've owned have been 531: 1989 Falcon; 1973
>> Motobecane G Record; and currently owned but not built 19-*old* Libertas
>> that with steel Campy headset weighs 5 lb 9 oz in a 60 X 56 c-c size. So,
>> 531 won't hurt, at any rate. Me, I don't think I've ever experienced
>> "planing", but it won't hurt to try. And, the '03 never has felt as
>> spritely as the '99.
>>
>> Clone will ride like the '99 and '03 with the 559 X 28 wheels -- that is
>> the foundational design principle -- but accept Naches Passes with fenders,
>> God willing. Built for AM-hub wheel and QR trigger shifting system (OEM SA
>> wingnuts), but the Surly fixed wheel will be the mainstay. Integrated racks
>> and fenders, internal wiring (well, I told him to use exterior loops if
>> absolutely necessary). No dt shifter bosses or stops, no derailleur hangar
>> (hope eventually to build the Libertas up as a tubular derailleur retro
>> road bike).
>>
>> All, God willing ...
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Presale

2020-03-31 Thread Jay Lonner

I suspect that you do need a longer chain. Like I said, I've been wrestling
with this question as well, and call your attention to this thread (hoping
that the link works, if not search the RBW-owners-bunch archives for
"Cheviot setup" and and you should be OK)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/cheviot$20chain%7Csort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/Qyp4i567jBU/qbGzAybXGAAJ

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 4:12 PM David Hays <23writ...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks,
> On the Riv website on the Appaloosa as opposed to some other models I saw
> no mention of needing a longer chain but I moved to the middle chain ring
> before before chain to another gear and just have the standard chain length.
> Suggestions? Should I add additional chain?
> David
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> Pretty bike, I really like the color. Those are some looong chainstays -
> approaching Xtracycle territory. The rear derailleur appears to be under
> some stress - how did you determine the appropriate chain length? I've
> wrestled with this recently on a Cheviot build and am still not certain of
> the best way to approach this (although the Riv guidance is working out
> well so far).
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 3:01 PM Davidbea  wrote:
>
>> First ride today on my Appaloosa. Went with Porteur bars and Suntour bar
>> ends for now. A Clem Pletscher ready to install. The Ostrich easily holds a
>> full frame camera.
>> A lot to sort but a nice ride so far.
>> David
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 2:04:09 PM UTC-5, Bill F wrote:
>>>
>>> Appaloosa presale is up today.
>>>
>>> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.
>>
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[RBW] Possibly OT FS: Leather/Canvas Scraps

2020-03-31 Thread David B

As a hobby bag maker and leather worker, I've accumulated a lot of scrap
leather, and bigger pieces of leather that I just want to move out. Working
from home for at least the next couple of months, so tackling some chores
that I don't enjoy - next up is cleaning up my 'crafting' workshop.

Maybe you have some canvas bags that you need to patch - a piece of leather
works as a great patch.
Maybe you're bored inside and want to play around with making something
useful out of leather?
Maybe you want to try your hand at making bags and want to play around with
some canvas/leather before you buy bigger pieces?

Leather I'm putting into USPS flat rate envelopes and selling mostly for
$10 shipped.
Leather are typically small pieces - you'll get a variety of sized pieces.
You'll get a buncha leather.
Canvas, same sorta deal, but $15 shipped per option.
Canvas sizes are listed in the webshop description.

If you're interested in leather straps for making bag straps, I have a
buncha options too, just don't have those listed for sale. Contact offlist
and we can discuss further.

To buy, please go through the checkout process in my webshop at the links
for the following:
Leather scraps: https://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/leather-scrap-pieces
Canvas pieces: https://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/canvas-pieces

Thanks everyone.
David
Currently in week 3 of staying at home in River Grove, IL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who needs a custom?

2020-03-31 Thread Bill Lindsay

Ha!  I crassly inquired about your tab while you were crassly inquiring 
about another's.

BL

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 4:05:39 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Mat: That sounds like a killer design; please keep us posted. If it was 
> good enough for Jobst, it probably is good enough for the rest of us.
>
> I suppose that the longer tt is for sweepback bars?
>
> May I crassly inquire about the tab? I'll confess to mine (Chauncey 
> Matthews): he wants $1,800, I told him, $2K if you swap over all the parts, 
> I anticipate $2.5K ceiling for respacing Surly fixed rear hub and other 
> unexpected incidentals; the result being old wine in new skins, to wit, old 
> parts on new frame. (Old wine in new skins is fine; it's new wine that 
> bursts old skins.)
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 4:33 PM Mat Grewe > 
> wrote:
>
>> I've always been a one bike guy and my bike, a Bianchi Super Grizzly from 
>> the early 80's, is needing to get retired.  I had the crack in the 
>> chainstay patched/fixed, the guy did such a great job, I put in an order 
>> for a custom to replace the frame.  It is essentially a fillet brazed 650b 
>> Atlantis with thru-axle disc brakes, longer top tube, slacker seat tube 
>> angle, dynamo routing, threadless headset, and seat stays that join behind 
>> the seat tube rather than the side (big thighs that rub on those 
>> protrusions!).
>>
>> The nice thing about living in southwest Wisconsin, where the cost of 
>> living is pretty darn low, is a custom frame is the same or less than stock 
>> steel frames made in the US.  I tried to avoid going the custom route, but 
>> when I found nothing out there that would quite fit, plus the next best 
>> options were around the same price, oddly enough a custom didn't feel like 
>> such an indulgence.  At 29, I'm looking forward to riding this bike 
>> exclusively for many years to come.  Jobst Brandt got 20+ years out of his 
>> last Peter Johnson frame, so I'm hoping that I can get somewhere in that 
>> ballpark too.
>>
>> Frame should be done and built up in a couple weeks, and if I remember, I 
>> can post a picture here once it is done.
>>
>> Mat
>> Driftless Wisconsin
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Re: [RBW] Wildlife on the streets during Stay At Home

Oddly, the opposite in my neck of the SW high desert woods: fewer coyotes
than during the last few years in our little, infill bosque-side
neighborhood, which I attribute largely to the sudden increase in walkers
and cyclists along the Middle Rio Grand Conservancy District acequia roads
and trails; also, fewer Great Blue Herons and geese and ducks, tho' the
geese usually head north starting about this time.

The only really dangerous area animals (apart from killer cottontails*) are
rattlesnakes, and it's still to early for those.

* https://youtu.be/pmu5sRIizdw?t=44

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:25 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I've been seeing a lot of reports of wildlife reclaiming the empty streets
> as we self-quarantine from COVID19,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who needs a custom?

2020-03-31 Thread Bill Lindsay

I'm curious about your budget, mostly just as an extension to your 
narrative.  You've told several times that Chauncey Matthews was really 
slow to build your previous custom, and as a partial apology charged you 
only $1000 for it.  You refused to pay that little and forced him to accept 
$1200, and have repeatedly said it's worth 2x to 3x the price.  Given all 
the special one of a kind fabrication associated with this new frame, 
including a rear spacing that he's likely never done before, it seems to me 
that this new project, with all it's details could be substantially more 
involved than your previous custom Matthews.  If you believe your previous 
Matthews should have cost $2400 to $3600, and if your new Matthews is say 
half-again more involved with details, should your budget be $3600-$5000?  
I was thinking about the numbers when you were asking about giving Bilenky 
the job.  As an urban-location builder, with an international reputation, 
I'd imagine Bilenky could easily cost double Chauncey Matthews, but then 
you'd be looking at a $7200 - $1 frameset, which I just can't imagine 
your Scottish genes allowing you to spend.  

What's your budget?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 4:01:07 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> Chauncey picked up the 2003 Curt this morning to use as the model for the 
> clone. At the last minute, we discussed tubing and I said, why not standard 
> gauge 531? I didn't specify "C", if that is even available nowadays, but I 
> told him, no touring-spec tubing, and Chauncey has a predilection for light 
> frames. He texted me just now and said he'd ordered 531. So we'll see if it 
> makes a difference over, say, oversized, thinwall, heat-treated tubing. I 
> expect it won't, but at least I'll have a new tout-531 frame.
>
> FWIW, all the light frames I've owned have been 531: 1989 Falcon; 1973 
> Motobecane G Record; and currently owned but not built 19-*old* Libertas 
> that with steel Campy headset weighs 5 lb 9 oz in a 60 X 56 c-c size. So, 
> 531 won't hurt, at any rate. Me, I don't think I've ever experienced 
> "planing", but it won't hurt to try. And, the '03 never has felt as 
> spritely as the '99.
>
> Clone will ride like the '99 and '03 with the 559 X 28 wheels -- that is 
> the foundational design principle -- but accept Naches Passes with fenders, 
> God willing. Built for AM-hub wheel and QR trigger shifting system (OEM SA 
> wingnuts), but the Surly fixed wheel will be the mainstay. Integrated racks 
> and fenders, internal wiring (well, I told him to use exterior loops if 
> absolutely necessary). No dt shifter bosses or stops, no derailleur hangar 
> (hope eventually to build the Libertas up as a tubular derailleur retro 
> road bike).
>
> All, God willing ...
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Presale

2020-03-31 Thread David Hays

Thanks,
On the Riv website on the Appaloosa as opposed to some other models I saw no 
mention of needing a longer chain but I moved to the middle chain ring before 
before chain to another gear and just have the standard chain length.
Suggestions? Should I add additional chain?
David 

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
> 
> Pretty bike, I really like the color. Those are some looong chainstays - 
> approaching Xtracycle territory. The rear derailleur appears to be under some 
> stress - how did you determine the appropriate chain length? I've wrestled 
> with this recently on a Cheviot build and am still not certain of the best 
> way to approach this (although the Riv guidance is working out well so far).
> 
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
> 
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 3:01 PM Davidbea  > wrote:
> First ride today on my Appaloosa. Went with Porteur bars and Suntour bar ends 
> for now. A Clem Pletscher ready to install. The Ostrich easily holds a full 
> frame camera.
> A lot to sort but a nice ride so far.
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 2:04:09 PM UTC-5, Bill F wrote:
> Appaloosa presale is up today.   
> 
> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What Is a Cheviot?

2020-03-31 Thread Roberta

It’s going to be beautiful. I hope this is your everything bike to last you a 
lifetime !

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who needs a custom?

Mat: That sounds like a killer design; please keep us posted. If it was
good enough for Jobst, it probably is good enough for the rest of us.

I suppose that the longer tt is for sweepback bars?

May I crassly inquire about the tab? I'll confess to mine (Chauncey
Matthews): he wants $1,800, I told him, $2K if you swap over all the parts,
I anticipate $2.5K ceiling for respacing Surly fixed rear hub and other
unexpected incidentals; the result being old wine in new skins, to wit, old
parts on new frame. (Old wine in new skins is fine; it's new wine that
bursts old skins.)

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 4:33 PM Mat Grewe  wrote:

> I've always been a one bike guy and my bike, a Bianchi Super Grizzly from
> the early 80's, is needing to get retired.  I had the crack in the
> chainstay patched/fixed, the guy did such a great job, I put in an order
> for a custom to replace the frame.  It is essentially a fillet brazed 650b
> Atlantis with thru-axle disc brakes, longer top tube, slacker seat tube
> angle, dynamo routing, threadless headset, and seat stays that join behind
> the seat tube rather than the side (big thighs that rub on those
> protrusions!).
>
> The nice thing about living in southwest Wisconsin, where the cost of
> living is pretty darn low, is a custom frame is the same or less than stock
> steel frames made in the US.  I tried to avoid going the custom route, but
> when I found nothing out there that would quite fit, plus the next best
> options were around the same price, oddly enough a custom didn't feel like
> such an indulgence.  At 29, I'm looking forward to riding this bike
> exclusively for many years to come.  Jobst Brandt got 20+ years out of his
> last Peter Johnson frame, so I'm hoping that I can get somewhere in that
> ballpark too.
>
> Frame should be done and built up in a couple weeks, and if I remember, I
> can post a picture here once it is done.
>
> Mat
> Driftless Wisconsin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who needs a custom?

2020-03-31 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

Chauncey picked up the 2003 Curt this morning to use as the model for the
clone. At the last minute, we discussed tubing and I said, why not standard
gauge 531? I didn't specify "C", if that is even available nowadays, but I
told him, no touring-spec tubing, and Chauncey has a predilection for light
frames. He texted me just now and said he'd ordered 531. So we'll see if it
makes a difference over, say, oversized, thinwall, heat-treated tubing. I
expect it won't, but at least I'll have a new tout-531 frame.

FWIW, all the light frames I've owned have been 531: 1989 Falcon; 1973
Motobecane G Record; and currently owned but not built 19-*old* Libertas
that with steel Campy headset weighs 5 lb 9 oz in a 60 X 56 c-c size. So,
531 won't hurt, at any rate. Me, I don't think I've ever experienced
"planing", but it won't hurt to try. And, the '03 never has felt as
spritely as the '99.

Clone will ride like the '99 and '03 with the 559 X 28 wheels -- that is
the foundational design principle -- but accept Naches Passes with fenders,
God willing. Built for AM-hub wheel and QR trigger shifting system (OEM SA
wingnuts), but the Surly fixed wheel will be the mainstay. Integrated racks
and fenders, internal wiring (well, I told him to use exterior loops if
absolutely necessary). No dt shifter bosses or stops, no derailleur hangar
(hope eventually to build the Libertas up as a tubular derailleur retro
road bike).

All, God willing ...

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 62 Sam, 58 Sam, Rosco Babys and some Surly Framesets

Surly Travelers Check is sold...

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[RBW] Re: FS cranks new Silver double 178mm, new Sun XCD arms 172.5

2020-03-31 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

Silver cranks are sold!



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[RBW] Re: Who needs a custom?

2020-03-31 Thread Mat Grewe

I've always been a one bike guy and my bike, a Bianchi Super Grizzly from
the early 80's, is needing to get retired. I had the crack in the
chainstay patched/fixed, the guy did such a great job, I put in an order
for a custom to replace the frame. It is essentially a fillet brazed 650b
Atlantis with thru-axle disc brakes, longer top tube, slacker seat tube
angle, dynamo routing, threadless headset, and seat stays that join behind
the seat tube rather than the side (big thighs that rub on those
protrusions!).

The nice thing about living in southwest Wisconsin, where the cost of
living is pretty darn low, is a custom frame is the same or less than stock
steel frames made in the US. I tried to avoid going the custom route, but
when I found nothing out there that would quite fit, plus the next best
options were around the same price, oddly enough a custom didn't feel like
such an indulgence. At 29, I'm looking forward to riding this bike
exclusively for many years to come. Jobst Brandt got 20+ years out of his
last Peter Johnson frame, so I'm hoping that I can get somewhere in that
ballpark too.

Frame should be done and built up in a couple weeks, and if I remember, I
can post a picture here once it is done.

Mat
Driftless Wisconsin

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

2020-03-31 Thread 'Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch

On the SunTour. Nice. 

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[RBW] Re: Wildlife on the streets during Stay At Home

2020-03-31 Thread Bill Lindsay

Everyone in El Cerrito knows to watch out for the turkeys. Turkeys are 
either confident or dumb enough that they don't give a hoot about cars.  
They will strut down the middle of the road even if there are cars on the 
road.  They act like they own the town, and fact is, they just might.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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>
> I've been seeing a lot of reports of wildlife reclaiming the empty streets 
> as we self-quarantine from COVID19, so I wanted to address it with us 
> riders. In California mountain lions were already becoming more commonplace 
> as the suburbs continue to branch out into their homes, and this will 
> certainly exacerbate now. I'm posting the mountain lion instructions here, 
> but please be aware of bears and any wildlife in general, wherever you are. 
> The streets have gone quiet and they may not expect you to show up on your 
> bike. Eyes forward! 
>
> http://www.backcountryattitude.com/mountain-lion-safety.html
>
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[RBW] Re: Who needs a custom?

Phil definitely married up 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What Is a Cheviot?

2020-03-31 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

I can't wait, either, I feel like I was a much younger man when this project 
started! 

No, I haven't shared the color much, it's going to be a light-ish gray with 
bright red..kind of in the original Hunqapillar mode but brightened up a bunch. 
I found the inspiration in this pic while perusing the Kirkframes site, Joe 
Bell paints all of his. 

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-7, JAS wrote:
> Joe, I am really looking forward to seeing that beauty built up!  What color 
> will it be?  (Maybe you already shared that decision; sorry if I missed it.)
> 
> 
> --Joyce

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Re: [RBW] Re: What Is a Cheviot?

2020-03-31 Thread JAS

Joe, I am really looking forward to seeing that beauty built up!  What 
color will it be?  (Maybe you already shared that decision; sorry if I 
missed it.)

--Joyce

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[RBW] Re: Who needs a custom?

2020-03-31 Thread Roberta

Hi, Phil.

(I'm sure Phil remembers--I bought his AHH this past summer and am loving 
it.)  I'm so glad you are thrilled with your custom.  And, your wife if 
amazing to want you to have the bike of your dreams.

Roberta

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 12:22:31 PM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>
> I went the custom route - though not a Rivendell. I never found Rivendells 
> to fit quite how I wanted with drop bars and a previous custom didn't quite 
> fit me as well. I was very close to pursuing a Riv custom, but was on the 
> fence about another custom.
>
> Then my wife told me if I wanted to get a custom that I look into Grand 
> Bois since we were gonna go to Japan for our honeymoon. She knew I followed 
> them, and she liked the idea of a having a bike as a souvenir from our 
> honeymoon, and she wanted me to go in-person for fitting and also wanted to 
> visit Kyoto.
>
> I walked into the shop, and Ikuo measured me up and fit me on the bike. I 
> had a very particular idea of what I wanted - but it was clear Ikuo was was 
> in charge. It was clear he had been doing this for a long time.
>
> Few months later, my bike came in fully assembled. I was wary because I 
> normally have the tops of my drop bars above my saddle. However, this bike 
> didn't even come with a stem high enough to get the tops above the saddle. 
>
> I kept everything how it was and the bike is amazing.
>
> I feel like with all the money I lost buying and selling all my bikes, I 
> should've gotten my custom sooner and saved money.
>
> On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 3:07:09 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I've banged this drum elsewhere and I figure since I'm about to accept 
>> delivery on one myself, I should ask and answer the question myself and see 
>> what others have to say. 
>>
>> I had a few things involved: 1. The basal arthritis (so far predominantly 
>> in my right hand) has become enough of an issue that I can only ride bolt 
>> upright. I even tried recumbents again but I just can't stick with them. 2. 
>> I saw a custom on the Rivbike site that wasn't quite a diamond frame but 
>> not quite a mixte, the toptube was somewhere in-between. I liked that look 
>> for a low-stepover frame. 3. I'm not getting any younger (57) and my hand 
>> is telling me my "ride a bike every day" years are numbered, so it was time 
>> to jump if I was ever going to get that Rivendell Custom I've always 
>> dreamed of. I asked Grant to design one that would get them Boscos way up 
>> there. 
>>
>> I'd love to hear other's thoughts, plus this thread will serve as a spot 
>> for pics of my new frame when it arrives. Who needs a custom?
>>
>> Joe "I do I do!" Bernard 
>> Marin County CA.  
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What Is a Cheviot?

2020-03-31 Thread Roberta

Joyce,

Funny how everyone loves that mustard color (I call mine butterscotch).  
Not my favorite, either, but I've prettied it up with pink handlebar tape 
and now I'm liking it OK.

I love, love, love the RBW blue of the current Chevs, so I went "window" 
shopping, to my favorite Rivendell reseller, Analog cycles, whom I bought 
my Joe Appaloosa from (when they were Gravel and Grind in MD) 3 years ago.  
That's where I saw they had the current lovely water blue in stock, but in 
a 50. I need a 55.   If anyone is in the market for a current blue Cheviot 
in a 50, here it is:  
https://www.analogcycles.com/product/rivendell-cheviot-frame-and-fork/  
. 

I had a nice conversation with Candice about lightening up the bike.  Yes, 
I know that the bike weight "shouldn't" be a factor, but once it's over a 
certain weight (and one is over a certain age), is just plain hard to pick 
up the bike.  We talked about wheels, tires, and using 1X setup to help 
lighten it up.  I don't mind a heavish bike, but I must be able to lift 
it.  

My Joe A with it's 44.25" wheelbase does fit on a bus bike rack.  A longer 
bike could fit, but not much longer.

Roberta

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 12:20:34 AM UTC-4, JAS wrote:
>
> Leah, count me in!  I want a Cheviot to compliment my Clem that lets me:
>
>- Feel light, agile and "fast" for road riding while upright and 
>seeing everything
>- Put one foot on the pavement when I stop at an intersection without 
>getting off the saddle (love that about Clem)
>- Easily lift the bike onto my One-Up rack or the bus rack (maybe it 
>will fit on the bus rack?)
>- Use fenders with a cushy tire
>- Use V-brakes which I like a lot 
>
> I don't want that awful mustard color that seems to please a lot of people 
> (sorry folks).  Blue is my thing, but I'd be open to something else that's 
> pretty.
> Let's get these Cheviots going and then I could just see us organizing a 
> couple of group rides to gather the sheep. 
>
> Let us know when you get the word from Vince!
> --Joyce  
>
> On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 6:21:46 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> I won’t rehash how *I* feel about the Riv mixtes, because I’ve belabored 
>> that point, but I’d be really excited for you got join the club with the 
>> rest of us. I just don’t see the downside of a mixte. I’m going to start 
>> the hashtag on Instagram - #toptubeswhoneedsem. 
>>
>> Last I heard, YES, there will be a pre-order. And I think we’ll have our 
>> answer about if/when the batch arrives soon. Hopefully Friday. I’ll be 
>> happy to share that info if I hear and if Will says ok. 
>>
>> While I’m at it, should I get a head count here and tell Will how many of 
>> you fine folks want your own Riv Mixte? Maybe that will really encourage 
>> them to make the order... 
>>
>> Joyce, Ann, Leah...and Doug?  That’s 4, and I think that’s a pretty 
>> good start. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPad 
>>
>> > On Mar 30, 2020, at 5:33 PM, DHans  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > I’ve been buying stuff from Joe B. and chatting by text with him about 
>> Riv bikes. I’ve been considering either a Clem L or an Atlantis. But, this 
>> topic is making me strongly consider a Cheviot. I like the idea of a lower 
>> bar as my flexibility ain’t what it used to be. I’m enjoying these comments 
>> too, Leah. I may just get in line when the new batch goes on sale. Will 
>> there be a preorder? 
>> > Doug 
>> > 
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[RBW] Re: FS Albastache & Billie bars (currently out of stock @Riv)

These are sold, thanks all!! 

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[RBW] Re: FS cranks new Silver double 178mm, new Sun XCD arms 172.5

2020-03-31 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

XCD cranks are sold...

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[RBW] Re: FS cranks new Silver double 178mm, new Sun XCD arms 172.5

2020-03-31 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

That's a typo on the XCD cranks they are 172.5 like the title suggests 
邏邏邏


Sorry for the confusion...

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[RBW] Wildlife on the streets during Stay At Home

I've been seeing a lot of reports of wildlife reclaiming the empty streets as 
we self-quarantine from COVID19, so I wanted to address it with us riders. In 
California mountain lions were already becoming more commonplace as the suburbs 
continue to branch out into their homes, and this will certainly exacerbate 
now. I'm posting the mountain lion instructions here, but please be aware of 
bears and any wildlife in general, wherever you are. The streets have gone 
quiet and they may not expect you to show up on your bike. Eyes forward! 

http://www.backcountryattitude.com/mountain-lion-safety.html

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a few Nitto bits, kickstand, fenders, wheels, etc.

2020-03-31 Thread Michael Baquerizo

Update as i've found a bit through you guys and am very appreciative. 

wondering if anyone is selling NON bar end shifting meisha's cork grips 
(riv variety) 

would love to have a pair on deck as i'm torn currently between bar ends 
and thumbies.

thanks!

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 10:57:56 PM UTC-4, bo richardson wrote:
>
> michel 
> talked to kim
> she is holding on to the bag
> your email address dissapearedratyed google
> do you still want a photo of the rack?
> i think i can grab it tomorrow
>
> thanks
>
> bo
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What Is a Cheviot?

2020-03-31 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

I hope so, Joyce, I think the road calipers are the big weakness on the current 
Cheviot. I opted for v-brakes on my 
sorta-maybe-looks-like-a-Cheviot-without-the-mid-stays custom because my old 
arthritic hands want to STOP something when I grab those levers! 

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 12:36:10 PM UTC-7, JAS wrote:
> Joe, the v-brakes are on my personal wish list for the bike because they work 
> so well on my Clem.  I have no idea if that will come true.
> 
> --Joyce

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Re: [RBW] Re: What Is a Cheviot?

2020-03-31 Thread Leah Peterson

Joyce, is that what we have on our Clems? 藍藍藍 Ok, then I want those on our 
Cheviots, too.

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 12:36 PM, JAS  wrote:
> 
> 
> Joe, the v-brakes are on my personal wish list for the bike because they work 
> so well on my Clem.  I have no idea if that will come true.
> 
> --Joyce
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Re: [RBW] Re: What Is a Cheviot?

2020-03-31 Thread JAS

Joe, the v-brakes are on my personal wish list for the bike because they 
work so well on my Clem.  I have no idea if that will come true.

--Joyce

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[RBW] Re: Rides Report - New MIT Atlantis

2020-03-31 Thread Steve Cole

It's a SteerStopper.  It is a not inexpensive way to hold the front wheel 
in place.  I find it especially useful when loading my bike onto my roof 
rack or stowing it in our garage where, to save space, it hangs from the 
rear wheel from a ceiling hook.

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 1:23:55 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>
> Good reading/thanks for sharing. What is the device connecting from the 
> top tube to the stem?

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[RBW] FS cranks new Silver double 178mm, new Sun XCD arms 172.5

Hey now, two cranks for sale both BNIB

-Riv Silver double, 38/24 w/guard, 178mm arm length, brand new never used $180 
shipped conus (these are currently out of stock at Riv)

-Sun XCD arms only 127.5 mm, brand new, $130 shipped conus, fits 50.4 bcd 
rings, readily available through Peter White (TA rings), or I have a 110/74 
ring adapter $10.

Cheers!


Alex in Rochester, NY

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[RBW] WTB: Clem L 52

2020-03-31 Thread BRETT ROBINSON

Looking for a Clem L, size 52. Complete (or frame, or frame +). Let me know 
if you're looking to sell.

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[RBW] Re: Rides Report - New MIT Atlantis