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[RBW] Re: Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

2020-09-13 Thread Collin A

Hooboy, only once and it was quite a strange instance.

It was 10 years ago in college, I had gotten home from an evening run that 
was very hot and warranted tossing my shirt along the bike path (still not 
sure why I did that). I decided to ride back on my beater to retrieve my 
shirt but at this point it was dark, I didn't have lights, I had no shirt 
on, and was wearing short shorts. 

I get to where I tossed my shirt and a cop comes barreling onto the side of 
the bike path/sidewalk and nearly hits me; No sirens, but using the 1000 
lux flashlight right into my eyes. He gives me the speal of riding at night 
without lights (after asking what the hell I was doing) and saying "I'm not 
sure where you are from, but that's not how we do things around here," but 
luckily did not issue me a ticket. Anywho, I grab my shirt and walk about a 
mile home in the dark. I haven't tossed a shirt on a run since...

Collin in Sacramento

On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 4:43:23 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:

> I was out today riding one of my usual routes. I had just gotten back on 
> the bike (my Bleriot) after stopping to adjust the angle of my Albatross 
> bars. I was pedaling and all of a sudden out of my mirror I saw some lights 
> flashing and I pulled over. I got off the bike as a very young officer 
> walked over to me. I asked him if I had done something wrong, maybe riding 
> to fast (yeah I know being a wiseass is not really a good things). He asked 
> me if I had just come from a street which was one I was actually heading 
> towards.. I told him no and explained where I had ridden. It seems some guy 
> asked a lady for directions, there mush have been more to it, he was on a 
> bike, and I fit the description I was told. I was wearing  a short sleeve 
> gray sweat shirts as it was an unusually chilly day today and a Rivendell 
> cycling cap from years ago. Another officer arrived smiling, he was the 
> officer in charge. I put up my hands and said it wasn't me and he started 
> to laugh.He explained to me they were looking for a guy in a gray members 
> only jacket and a baseball cap with dark hair, my hair is silver/white.
>
> We talked for a few minutes, they apologized and I said no need. I went 
> back on my ride and now was on that street wondering if a woman would come 
> out of her house chasing me.  
>
> In a way I had a good laugh but I wonder what this guy did to make this 
> woman call the police. This was not my town but 2 towns away in CT while I 
> live in MA. So something was up.
>
> So I wonder if any of you have ever been pulled over on your bike?
>
> Joel
>

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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur for Riv Silver 34/24 cranks?

2020-09-13 Thread Jim M.

I'm using a Deore XT front derailer, but I'm not sure which model. What 
helped me with the setup was using the Microshift thumb shifters that Riv 
sells.
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/shifting/products/microshift-thumb-shifters-9-speed-sl-t09?variant=41310793549

Works really well for me. I'll see if I can find the model number in the 
daylight.

jim m
wc, ca

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Re: [RBW] Your lockable commuter thread

2020-09-13 Thread Patrick Moore

XO2, not XO1, you are right -- my mistake, sorry.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 7:31 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Steven - I adore your bike with the heavily patina'd fenders. That's
> really the spirit of this thread.
> Lucky - I know that feeling. Heck, that's me with my '71 Raleigh folding
> bike. I use it almost exclusively for locking up where I don't feel
> comfortable locking any other bike up, yet I am highly attached to it. Go
> figure.
>
> Patrick - I can't claim to be an expert on this but my understanding is
> that both '92 and '93 XO-2 are canti, only the '93 is lugged though and
> mine is TIG.  The '92 XO-1 is caliper though.  I do think this '92 XO-2 is
> a bargain though since it has the tire clearance and brakes that separate
> the '93 XO-1 from the '92 model!  All it's missing is the lighter gauge
> tubing, but it's no pig either. The geometry is beckoning for drops, so I'm
> currently searching out a 46 or 48cm Noodle and some TRP levers!
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet/Romulus 650b Conversion

2020-09-13 Thread Sky Coulter

Hi Jonathan,

As it happens, i’ve converted both a romulus and a rambouillet from 700c to 
650b. I had a saluki as well to compare against. I would say both frames 
largely retained similar handling characteristics, with a slight increase in 
‘wanderability’ on the front end and obviously a cushier ride all over.  The 
romulus languishes in a closet as a frameset at present, the ram is presently 
still setup w grand bois hetres at 650b, but hasn’t been out for a ride in half 
a year.

The fact of the matter is I’m completely occupied w my toyo Atlantis. Its the 
bike i use to commute and its the bike i’d pull down to go for a fun ride or a 
short tour.  For me, it makes owning more than one bike just seem wasteful; i 
like it more than any other bike, ever.  In fact, i find myself worrying about 
my tendency to hop curbs and ride rough, if it breaks i’ll need to find 
another.  And sometimes i think i should start stock piling atlanti against 
that future possibility.

In an effort to justify owning more than one bike, i’ve been think about 
electrifying my clementine. It might make a nice commuter for last minute 
overtime shifts or days when i’m just feeling a bit low energy.

But if you want to ride a wider tire, converting to 650b should accomplish that 
for you without drastically altering the ride.

Sky in new west

> On Sep 13, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Jonathan D.  wrote:
> 
> I know there has been this topic before and would be curious what new and 
> prior experiences folks have had converting Rambouillet/Romulus to 650b. How 
> did the conversion impact handling?  Would you recommend making the 
> conversion or did you switch back? 
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Re: [RBW] Your lockable commuter thread

2020-09-13 Thread kim young

Yeah! Really love those ratt fenders, too.



On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:31 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Steven - I adore your bike with the heavily patina'd fenders. That's
> really the spirit of this thread.
> Lucky - I know that feeling. Heck, that's me with my '71 Raleigh folding
> bike. I use it almost exclusively for locking up where I don't feel
> comfortable locking any other bike up, yet I am highly attached to it. Go
> figure.
>
> Patrick - I can't claim to be an expert on this but my understanding is
> that both '92 and '93 XO-2 are canti, only the '93 is lugged though and
> mine is TIG.  The '92 XO-1 is caliper though.  I do think this '92 XO-2 is
> a bargain though since it has the tire clearance and brakes that separate
> the '93 XO-1 from the '92 model!  All it's missing is the lighter gauge
> tubing, but it's no pig either. The geometry is beckoning for drops, so I'm
> currently searching out a 46 or 48cm Noodle and some TRP levers!
>
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Re: [RBW] Your lockable commuter thread

2020-09-13 Thread Jason Fuller

Steven - I adore your bike with the heavily patina'd fenders. That's really 
the spirit of this thread. 
Lucky - I know that feeling. Heck, that's me with my '71 Raleigh folding 
bike. I use it almost exclusively for locking up where I don't feel 
comfortable locking any other bike up, yet I am highly attached to it. Go 
figure. 

Patrick - I can't claim to be an expert on this but my understanding is 
that both '92 and '93 XO-2 are canti, only the '93 is lugged though and 
mine is TIG.  The '92 XO-1 is caliper though.  I do think this '92 XO-2 is 
a bargain though since it has the tire clearance and brakes that separate 
the '93 XO-1 from the '92 model!  All it's missing is the lighter gauge 
tubing, but it's no pig either. The geometry is beckoning for drops, so I'm 
currently searching out a 46 or 48cm Noodle and some TRP levers! 

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Re: [RBW] Platform bike racks, again

2020-09-13 Thread Jan O.

No fenders, but 1UP has you covered.

https://www.1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion/


On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 4:18:54 PM UTC-7, peec...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Fendered.
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 06:18:27 PM CDT, tim petersen <
> peec...@yahoo.com > wrote: 
>
>
> Is your Atlantis tendered?
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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur for Riv Silver 34/24 cranks?

2020-09-13 Thread Nathan F

I had the same issue when setting up my girlfriend's Cheviot last year. She 
runs the Silver 34/24 crank set up with a 9 speed drivetrain, set up with 
trigger shifters. At first I tried a cheap triple, which didn't work as 
well as I'd have hoped (would've been fine if run friction). Then a Sora 
double, which didn't work at all (unique pull ratio, again would've been 
fine if run friction). 

Eventually I settled on a 10-speed Deore XT FD-M785. It works perfectly, 
and I found the "low clamp" much easier to set up than other styles, as the 
clamp is below the small chainring. Yes it's not an elegantly forged piece 
of art, but hey it's got a silver cage and the uglier bits are hidden 
behind the crankset.

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[RBW] Rambouillet/Romulus 650b Conversion

2020-09-13 Thread Jonathan D.

I know there has been this topic before and would be curious what new and 
prior experiences folks have had converting Rambouillet/Romulus to 650b. 
How did the conversion impact handling?  Would you recommend making the 
conversion or did you switch back? 

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Re: [RBW] Platform bike racks, again

2020-09-13 Thread 'tim petersen' via RBW Owners Bunch

Is your Atlantis tendered?
On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 10:55:26 AM CDT, Jan O.
wrote:

My MIT Atlantis fits perfectly fine with it's long wheelbase and basket. The
rack accommodates up to 54” wheelbase and up to 3.1” tires in the standard
configuration.
1UP offers a "Fat Tire Spacer Kit" for tires wider than 3.1” up to 4.9”. On a
double rack, you could configure a tray for the Atlantis and the other tray for
a fat bike with tires bigger than 3.1”.
JanSan Francisco, CA

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I’m wondering about the 1Up as well. Specifically whether it’s easy to toggle
between my MIT Atlantis with its long wheelbase, genders and basket and a fat
tire bike, ie haul the Riv one day and fat tire the next. Does this question
make sense? Tim P.

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Re: [RBW] Platform bike racks, again

2020-09-13 Thread 'tim petersen' via RBW Owners Bunch

Fendered.
On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 06:18:27 PM CDT, tim petersen
wrote:

Is your Atlantis tendered?
On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 10:55:26 AM CDT, Jan O.
wrote:

Sent from my iPhone

[RBW] Brooks saddle tension bolt bodge

2020-09-13 Thread dougP

AKA hack in the US.  If you've ever broken the tension bolt on a Brooks 
saddle, over on the ibob site I posted a repair I just did.  There's photos 
and a link to a youtube by an Englishman who says they break all the time.  
I've used Brooks B-17 for decades & this was a first for me.  Loads of fun 
for a smoky Sunday afternoon.

dougP

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv cantilever brakes

2020-09-13 Thread S

Maybe the "slightly longer" stays are truly that. And maybe I could get 
over the ball and socket ends. I hope photos of the actual frame change my 
mind. In any case, more depends on whether or not one of the frame sizes 
happens to fit the sweet spot for me. 

On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 12:37:24 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:

>
> Thanks, I just pulled up the latest email, it got by me.  
>
> “ The seattube sizes are slightly different this time. Here's the PBH 
> range:
>
> 48cm 650b = 77-80cm
> 51cm 650b = 80-83cm 
> 54cm 700c = 84-86cm 
> 57cm 700c = 86-90cm 
> 60cm  700c = 89-94cm
>
> The changes from the last batch are minimal:
>
>- Ball n socket seatlugs
>- Slightly longer chainstays. The 60cm has the longest at 48.5cm. They 
>were too short before.
>
> It's compatible with all of our bars from Bosco to Noodles and is good for 
> just about all reasonable riding.
>
> It's not a full blown trail bike like the Gus/Susie but it'll do just fine 
> on most trails and isn't inappropriate on a road ride either if you're with 
> like-minded people. You can stretch it into almost all types of riding 
> outside of downhill, BMX and road racing.
>
> I used mine for Mt Diablo lunch rides with speedy Mark, one night camping 
> trips on fairly mellow trails, and even unloaded, careful singletrack 
> riding. Most of the time it was a fantastic commuter though.” 
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 2:34 PM S  wrote:
>
>> Yes, quite a few group members have called the SH the "perfect Riv," or 
>> words to that effect, and I was set to buy one when they became available. 
>> No longer. I wish they had left well enough, or maybe even "perfect," 
>> alone. I agree variety would be nice -- I don't think chainstay length is 
>> as cut-and-dried a design decision as the latest email made it sound, "the 
>> chainstays were too short." There are always trade offs in bike design and 
>> although I agree that *longish* stays are good, I think Riv has taken that 
>> idea a bit too far or, at least, applied it too widely. Of course, up to 
>> them. They dig it, I don't, no big deal, I will buy the parts and tools 
>> instead. 
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> S, this is the second time I have heard this in 2 days, here and on the 
>>> FB RBW site.  I would hope the chainstays in the Sam would remain the same 
>>> so we would have some variety.  I found an Orange Sam, new at a decent 
>>> price but I am not sure on the orange, but now it is a big maybe.  
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:40 PM S  wrote:
>>>
 I agree that the design looks very close to the Avid Shorty. I still 
 plan to buy a pair, if they aren't too expensive.

 I like that Riv is offering more original parts and tools. I think this 
 could be a growth area for them, especially the tools, which usually sell 
 out instantly. And since their frame designs have begun to diverge from my 
 tastes -- eg, I am disappointed the new Hillborne will have ball and 
 socket 
 seat stay ends and longer chainstays -- the parts and tools give me a way 
 to keep supporting them.

 On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:29:59 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

>
>
> I was hoping for a simpler, old-school sort of cantilever, more like 
> the Rene Herse version which while wildly priced, ticks all the boxes of 
> what I'd like in a cantilever brake (Post style pads with toe-in washers, 
> pads open up wide past the frame). 
>
> I can't say much about the Riv design though as I've not seem them in 
> person as to how they work, or tire/frame clearance and all. The 
> blueprint 
> appears complicated though. 
>
> Cantilevers matter to me, I prefer what the bike industry must 
> consider "not very user friendly" as I find that comical as they ARE 
> friendly ! The kind with post style pads and washers for toe in. Infinite 
> adjustabilty. 
>
> V-brakes and "user friendly" ?  Nah ... what fun is that ? !!!  
>
>  
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[RBW] Re: FS Compass Stampede Pass tires(x2)

2020-09-13 Thread David Wadstrup

The tires have sold.  Thanks everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

2020-09-13 Thread dougP

Got it.  Thanks.  Just wanted to make sure it wasn't much wider than the 
saddle.  That looks like it'll work quite well.

doug

On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:51:25 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>
>
> Yes   You understand it correctly. I took some pics. Mine is mounted and 
> smushed. Still you’ll see the shape and rough dimensions. You can easily 
> overstuff if needed. 
>
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 5:03:06 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>>
>> So the 9" is from the back opening flap to the front end next to the 
>> seatpost?  
>>
>> And the 7" is width across the saddle?  Looks like it's roughly the same 
>> width as the saddle  My Brooks is just a smidgen less that 7" wide at its 
>> widest point.
>>
>> Thanks for your help on this.
>>
>> doug
>>
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 1:30:13 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> It is longest top to bottom. 
>>>
>>> Roberta 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv. Camping trip, NYC, seeking route advice

2020-09-13 Thread J Schwartz

Also, there's a nice state park near Kent CT..just over the border for New 
York ..called Macedonia State Park 
...with
 
campsites 




On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 6:00:50 PM UTC-4, J Schwartz wrote:
>
> I was going to suggest something similar as Bob.
> Take the Metro North all the way to Wassaic and get off there.  You could 
> do a nice loop in the rolling farmland of eastern Dutchess County and go 
> into NW Connecticut and even Western Massachusetts and make it back to the 
> train station and home in 1 day.
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 1:00:34 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>
>> How about Taconic State Park - Rudd Pond (just north of Millerton, NY), 
>> followed by Bash Bish Falls State Park further north? 
>>
>> (I've been to the former, but not the latter.) You can take the Metro 
>> North train to Wassaic, and a good portion of the route from Wassaic to 
>> Rudd Pond to Bash Bish is on the Harlem Valley Rail Trail.
>>
>> Bob E
>> Cranford, NJ
>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv. Camping trip, NYC, seeking route advice

2020-09-13 Thread J Schwartz

I was going to suggest something similar as Bob.
Take the Metro North all the way to Wassaic and get off there.  You could 
do a nice loop in the rolling farmland of eastern Dutchess County and go 
into NW Connecticut and even Western Massachusetts and make it back to the 
train station and home in 1 day.




On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 1:00:34 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
> How about Taconic State Park - Rudd Pond (just north of Millerton, NY), 
> followed by Bash Bish Falls State Park further north? 
>
> (I've been to the former, but not the latter.) You can take the Metro 
> North train to Wassaic, and a good portion of the route from Wassaic to 
> Rudd Pond to Bash Bish is on the Harlem Valley Rail Trail.
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur for Riv Silver 34/24 cranks?

2020-09-13 Thread Nick Payne

I use MTB 2x FDs for this purpose. Here's a XT 2x10 M786 front derailleur 
that I used on a bike setup with 32-22 chainrings. The FD clears the 
chainstay.




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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

2020-09-13 Thread dougP

So the 9" is from the back opening flap to the front end next to the 
seatpost?  

And the 7" is width across the saddle?  Looks like it's roughly the same 
width as the saddle  My Brooks is just a smidgen less that 7" wide at its 
widest point.

Thanks for your help on this.

doug

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> Doug
>
> It is longest top to bottom. 
>
> Roberta 
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[RBW] Re: MUSA pants and shorts replacement elastic band?

2020-09-13 Thread Edwin W

Patrick,

Thanks man! Got some of that non-roll elastic and it was perfect.

Edwin

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-5, Patrick Cronin wrote:
>
> Edwin,
>
> I've tried two replacements, both 1". One was from Amazon and it was total 
> crap. The other was from JoAnn Fabric and it is perfect! The latter was 
> "non-roll" and after comparing the two, I now understand what that means, 
> i.e. the Amazon one was so thin that it rolls lengthwise, whereas the JoAnn 
> band has ribbing that stops it from rolling or doubling over.
>  Here's a link with different colors:
> https://www.joann.com/sewing/sewing-and-quilting-supplies/elastic/
>
> I've also ditched the buckle and gone with a 1" plastic strap adjuster...
>
> Cheers,
> Patrick
> On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Has anyone replaced the elastic band on their MUSA pants or shorts? I 
>> replaced with climbing webbing, but it has no stretch. I would love to hear 
>> of a tried a true source, as it is hard to see how thick the bands are 
>> online, and I am not sure where to even go in person to find such a thing.
>> I think it is a 15mm elastic band.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice,
>>
>> Edwin
>> Nashville
>>
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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

2020-09-13 Thread Roberta

Doug

It is longest top to bottom. 

Roberta 

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

2020-09-13 Thread dougP

Rivendell lists the dimensions as 7 x 9 x 5 but neglect to say if the 7 & 9 
are width & depth.  At the end of the video, the on-the-bike shots it looks 
deeper / longer than wider, judging by the fit on the saddle.

Is the bag just a bit longer than wide?  Might be just what I need.

dougP

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> I received my Sackville Banana Sack in light gray grid. It's made 
> beautifullyand I adore the wooden toggle for closure it's perfect for my 
> needs. Thanks Riv!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleur for Riv Silver 34/24 cranks?

2020-09-13 Thread Garth

  Jason there was a photo of a Microshift FD in an email or blahg that they 
bought to try for small rings. Looking at their catalog there are 2 such 
FD's . The "s" after the model denotes the "shorter chainstay" models which 
have a shorter cage. Note the 36-50t "top gear" ring. I could only find 
these for sale overseas as I'm not privy to business sources to get them. 
Who knows if they will start selling them. 

https://www.microshift.com/en/product/fd-r74s-bf/
https://www.microshift.com/en/product/fd-r52s-bf/

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>
> I am really hoping Grant is working on a Silver FD to solve exactly this 
> issue - it would be a godsend to have a simple & classy looking front 
> derdeder optimized for low range doubles (ie max 42T).  I would buy 
> several.   

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleur for Riv Silver 34/24 cranks?

2020-09-13 Thread Joe Bernard

"Since it is basically a triple with the large ring not there and a guard 
in it’s place wouldn’t a triple FD work?"

Yes, it just looks odd because it sits so high over a guard barely bigger 
than the "middle" ring. This "problem" started with Grant's original plan 
to have these cranks run without front derailers, we were supposed to kick 
the chain over or use a stick. That idea never made it to new complete Rivs 
nor did it catch on with any of us, so now we have small-ring doubles with 
a small outer guard and big gaps to derailer cages. Whoops!

Joe Bernard 

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> Since it is basically a triple with the large ring not there and a guard 
> in it’s place wouldn’t a triple FD work? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv cantilever brakes

2020-09-13 Thread Joel Stern

Thanks, I just pulled up the latest email, it got by me.

“ The seattube sizes are slightly different this time. Here's the PBH range:

48cm 650b = 77-80cm
51cm 650b = 80-83cm
54cm 700c = 84-86cm
57cm 700c = 86-90cm
60cm  700c = 89-94cm

The changes from the last batch are minimal:

   - Ball n socket seatlugs
   - Slightly longer chainstays. The 60cm has the longest at 48.5cm. They
   were too short before.

It's compatible with all of our bars from Bosco to Noodles and is good for
just about all reasonable riding.

It's not a full blown trail bike like the Gus/Susie but it'll do just fine
on most trails and isn't inappropriate on a road ride either if you're with
like-minded people. You can stretch it into almost all types of riding
outside of downhill, BMX and road racing.

I used mine for Mt Diablo lunch rides with speedy Mark, one night camping
trips on fairly mellow trails, and even unloaded, careful singletrack
riding. Most of the time it was a fantastic commuter though.”
On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 2:34 PM S  wrote:

> Yes, quite a few group members have called the SH the "perfect Riv," or
> words to that effect, and I was set to buy one when they became available.
> No longer. I wish they had left well enough, or maybe even "perfect,"
> alone. I agree variety would be nice -- I don't think chainstay length is
> as cut-and-dried a design decision as the latest email made it sound, "the
> chainstays were too short." There are always trade offs in bike design and
> although I agree that *longish* stays are good, I think Riv has taken that
> idea a bit too far or, at least, applied it too widely. Of course, up to
> them. They dig it, I don't, no big deal, I will buy the parts and tools
> instead.
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>>
>> S, this is the second time I have heard this in 2 days, here and on the
>> FB RBW site.  I would hope the chainstays in the Sam would remain the same
>> so we would have some variety.  I found an Orange Sam, new at a decent
>> price but I am not sure on the orange, but now it is a big maybe.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:40 PM S  wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that the design looks very close to the Avid Shorty. I still
>>> plan to buy a pair, if they aren't too expensive.
>>>
>>> I like that Riv is offering more original parts and tools. I think this
>>> could be a growth area for them, especially the tools, which usually sell
>>> out instantly. And since their frame designs have begun to diverge from my
>>> tastes -- eg, I am disappointed the new Hillborne will have ball and socket
>>> seat stay ends and longer chainstays -- the parts and tools give me a way
>>> to keep supporting them.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:29:59 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>

 I was hoping for a simpler, old-school sort of cantilever, more like
 the Rene Herse version which while wildly priced, ticks all the boxes of
 what I'd like in a cantilever brake (Post style pads with toe-in washers,
 pads open up wide past the frame).

 I can't say much about the Riv design though as I've not seem them in
 person as to how they work, or tire/frame clearance and all. The blueprint
 appears complicated though.

 Cantilevers matter to me, I prefer what the bike industry must consider
 "not very user friendly" as I find that comical as they ARE friendly ! The
 kind with post style pads and washers for toe in. Infinite adjustabilty.

 V-brakes and "user friendly" ?  Nah ... what fun is that ? !!!

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[RBW] Re: Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

2020-09-13 Thread Mike Godwin

Aaron, I've gotta go with Justin. I'm generally pretty accommodating. The 
first instance, mid-morning, no traffic, deep in a a suburban neighborhood, 
the cop could see I was safe. No blowing through the stop sign at full 
speed, etc. I explained I was safe about my riding, my intent is not to get 
smacked by a car. No explanation would sway the cops opinion. Oh well. 

Mike SLO CA 

On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 11:50:00 AM UTC-7, Justin Kennedy 
(Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 1:32:26 PM UTC-4 A. Douglas M. wrote:
>
>> I never understood the point of arguing with an officer in these 
>> situations. It only serves to prolong the incident? I also find it 
>> interesting to see animosity towards people doing their job from what is 
>> usually a super friendly group of people. (Cyclists and especially RBW 
>> cyclists)
>
>
> Agree that it's futile to argue w/them, but the animosity stems from a 
> general frustration with NYPD selectively enforcing traffic laws, and 
> specifically 1) not citing drivers when they kill cyclists or pedestrians 
> and 2) targeting cyclists who are violating minor laws in areas where 
> cyclists were recently struck through no fault of their own. Especially a 
> family of three, including a 4 year old on the back of an Xtracycle, just 
> trying to get home on empty streets on a Sunday night. Read plenty more 
> below. 
>
> https://www.outsideonline.com/2390493/nypds-crusade-against-cyclists
>
>
> https://gothamist.com/news/nypd-cracks-down-on-cyclists-not-drivers-where-truck-driver-killed-bike-messenger
>
>
> https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2017/09/12/nypd-ticketing-cyclists-after-a-driver-kills-a-cyclist-is-strategy-not-targeting-victims/
>
>
>  
>
>>  
>
>
>> I’ve never been pulled over on my bike in spite of doing many stop sign 
>> slow rolls. I have however set up many operations where I had a law 
>> enforcement officer on a bike with a radio and a marked car behind them. 
>> The officer would ride and report when vehicles passed too closely in 
>> violation of state law. Then the vehicle would be stopped and driver 
>> educated.  Those quickly got the word out that cyclist safety was being 
>> taken seriously along that busy stretch of highway. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 11:16:15 AM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> Like Justin, I've receive 2 tickets for rolling through stop signs, in 
>>> the middle of suburbia. One was riding to daily class to CSUN in Northridge 
>>> CA, second one coming from a geo friends house, different neighborhood but 
>>> same town. First time I refused to give the cop physical proof of my 
>>> identity because I was so angry that I was being pulled over at a 4-way 
>>> stop you can see 100s of yards in all directions. I think I slowed enough 
>>> to stop but did not put my foot down. Threatened me with jail, so he 
>>> followed me to my house and confirmed by identity with my girlfriend then 
>>> wrote the ticket. Last time, like you Joel, I "matched" the identity of 
>>> someone who just robbed a bank. I wrote that up on the ibob list, the list 
>>> topic was "Do You Have a Name for Your Bike?"  The Schwinn Voyageur was 
>>> then called the Bank Robbery Bike after that traffic stop.
>>>
>>> Mike ticket free Godwin in smokey SLO CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 4:43:23 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:

 I was out today riding one of my usual routes. I had just gotten back 
 on the bike (my Bleriot) after stopping to adjust the angle of my 
 Albatross 
 bars. I was pedaling and all of a sudden out of my mirror I saw some 
 lights 
 flashing and I pulled over. I got off the bike as a very young officer 
 walked over to me. I asked him if I had done something wrong, maybe riding 
 to fast (yeah I know being a wiseass is not really a good things). He 
 asked 
 me if I had just come from a street which was one I was actually heading 
 towards.. I told him no and explained where I had ridden. It seems some 
 guy 
 asked a lady for directions, there mush have been more to it, he was on a 
 bike, and I fit the description I was told. I was wearing  a short sleeve 
 gray sweat shirts as it was an unusually chilly day today and a Rivendell 
 cycling cap from years ago. Another officer arrived smiling, he was the 
 officer in charge. I put up my hands and said it wasn't me and he started 
 to laugh.He explained to me they were looking for a guy in a gray members 
 only jacket and a baseball cap with dark hair, my hair is silver/white.

 We talked for a few minutes, they apologized and I said no need. I went 
 back on my ride and now was on that street wondering if a woman would come 
 out of her house chasing me.  

 In a way I had a good laugh but I wonder what this guy did to make this 
 woman call the police. This was not my town but 2 towns away in CT while I 
 live in MA. So

[RBW] Re: Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

2020-09-13 Thread Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)

On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 1:32:26 PM UTC-4 A. Douglas M. wrote:

> I never understood the point of arguing with an officer in these 
> situations. It only serves to prolong the incident? I also find it 
> interesting to see animosity towards people doing their job from what is 
> usually a super friendly group of people. (Cyclists and especially RBW 
> cyclists)


Agree that it's futile to argue w/them, but the animosity stems from a 
general frustration with NYPD selectively enforcing traffic laws, and 
specifically 1) not citing drivers when they kill cyclists or pedestrians 
and 2) targeting cyclists who are violating minor laws in areas where 
cyclists were recently struck through no fault of their own. Especially a 
family of three, including a 4 year old on the back of an Xtracycle, just 
trying to get home on empty streets on a Sunday night. Read plenty more 
below. 

https://www.outsideonline.com/2390493/nypds-crusade-against-cyclists

https://gothamist.com/news/nypd-cracks-down-on-cyclists-not-drivers-where-truck-driver-killed-bike-messenger

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2017/09/12/nypd-ticketing-cyclists-after-a-driver-kills-a-cyclist-is-strategy-not-targeting-victims/


 

>  


> I’ve never been pulled over on my bike in spite of doing many stop sign 
> slow rolls. I have however set up many operations where I had a law 
> enforcement officer on a bike with a radio and a marked car behind them. 
> The officer would ride and report when vehicles passed too closely in 
> violation of state law. Then the vehicle would be stopped and driver 
> educated.  Those quickly got the word out that cyclist safety was being 
> taken seriously along that busy stretch of highway. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 11:16:15 AM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Like Justin, I've receive 2 tickets for rolling through stop signs, in 
>> the middle of suburbia. One was riding to daily class to CSUN in Northridge 
>> CA, second one coming from a geo friends house, different neighborhood but 
>> same town. First time I refused to give the cop physical proof of my 
>> identity because I was so angry that I was being pulled over at a 4-way 
>> stop you can see 100s of yards in all directions. I think I slowed enough 
>> to stop but did not put my foot down. Threatened me with jail, so he 
>> followed me to my house and confirmed by identity with my girlfriend then 
>> wrote the ticket. Last time, like you Joel, I "matched" the identity of 
>> someone who just robbed a bank. I wrote that up on the ibob list, the list 
>> topic was "Do You Have a Name for Your Bike?"  The Schwinn Voyageur was 
>> then called the Bank Robbery Bike after that traffic stop.
>>
>> Mike ticket free Godwin in smokey SLO CA
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 4:43:23 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:
>>>
>>> I was out today riding one of my usual routes. I had just gotten back on 
>>> the bike (my Bleriot) after stopping to adjust the angle of my Albatross 
>>> bars. I was pedaling and all of a sudden out of my mirror I saw some lights 
>>> flashing and I pulled over. I got off the bike as a very young officer 
>>> walked over to me. I asked him if I had done something wrong, maybe riding 
>>> to fast (yeah I know being a wiseass is not really a good things). He asked 
>>> me if I had just come from a street which was one I was actually heading 
>>> towards.. I told him no and explained where I had ridden. It seems some guy 
>>> asked a lady for directions, there mush have been more to it, he was on a 
>>> bike, and I fit the description I was told. I was wearing  a short sleeve 
>>> gray sweat shirts as it was an unusually chilly day today and a Rivendell 
>>> cycling cap from years ago. Another officer arrived smiling, he was the 
>>> officer in charge. I put up my hands and said it wasn't me and he started 
>>> to laugh.He explained to me they were looking for a guy in a gray members 
>>> only jacket and a baseball cap with dark hair, my hair is silver/white.
>>>
>>> We talked for a few minutes, they apologized and I said no need. I went 
>>> back on my ride and now was on that street wondering if a woman would come 
>>> out of her house chasing me.  
>>>
>>> In a way I had a good laugh but I wonder what this guy did to make this 
>>> woman call the police. This was not my town but 2 towns away in CT while I 
>>> live in MA. So something was up.
>>>
>>> So I wonder if any of you have ever been pulled over on your bike?
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv cantilever brakes

2020-09-13 Thread S

Yes, quite a few group members have called the SH the "perfect Riv," or 
words to that effect, and I was set to buy one when they became available. 
No longer. I wish they had left well enough, or maybe even "perfect," 
alone. I agree variety would be nice -- I don't think chainstay length is 
as cut-and-dried a design decision as the latest email made it sound, "the 
chainstays were too short." There are always trade offs in bike design and 
although I agree that *longish* stays are good, I think Riv has taken that 
idea a bit too far or, at least, applied it too widely. Of course, up to 
them. They dig it, I don't, no big deal, I will buy the parts and tools 
instead. 
On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:

>
> S, this is the second time I have heard this in 2 days, here and on the FB 
> RBW site.  I would hope the chainstays in the Sam would remain the same so 
> we would have some variety.  I found an Orange Sam, new at a decent price 
> but I am not sure on the orange, but now it is a big maybe.  
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:40 PM S  wrote:
>
>> I agree that the design looks very close to the Avid Shorty. I still plan 
>> to buy a pair, if they aren't too expensive.
>>
>> I like that Riv is offering more original parts and tools. I think this 
>> could be a growth area for them, especially the tools, which usually sell 
>> out instantly. And since their frame designs have begun to diverge from my 
>> tastes -- eg, I am disappointed the new Hillborne will have ball and socket 
>> seat stay ends and longer chainstays -- the parts and tools give me a way 
>> to keep supporting them.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:29:59 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was hoping for a simpler, old-school sort of cantilever, more like the 
>>> Rene Herse version which while wildly priced, ticks all the boxes of what 
>>> I'd like in a cantilever brake (Post style pads with toe-in washers, pads 
>>> open up wide past the frame). 
>>>
>>> I can't say much about the Riv design though as I've not seem them in 
>>> person as to how they work, or tire/frame clearance and all. The blueprint 
>>> appears complicated though. 
>>>
>>> Cantilevers matter to me, I prefer what the bike industry must consider 
>>> "not very user friendly" as I find that comical as they ARE friendly ! The 
>>> kind with post style pads and washers for toe in. Infinite adjustabilty. 
>>>
>>> V-brakes and "user friendly" ?  Nah ... what fun is that ? !!!  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleur for Riv Silver 34/24 cranks?

2020-09-13 Thread Joel

Since it is basically a triple with the large ring not there and a guard in 
it’s place wouldn’t a triple FD work? 

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[RBW] Re: Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

2020-09-13 Thread Joel

When riding in traffic I always stop at a red and take the lane. As soon
at it turns green I move over to the right, I used to be better about
stopping completely at stop signs, I do slow up a lot to see what is
coming. Even at a 4 way stop I don’t trust most drivers to not try and beat
me on my bike but most wave me on. I never argue with the police, I have
been told to go on but slow down when driving and once given a warning. I
think being a bit older now makes me less of a target as long as I am not
breaking any rules. Drivers I still don’t trust, getting waived on when
there is a car coming up on their right that either does not see me or does
not care.

I did get yelled at by another older cyclist last week as he pointed to his
helmet and I pointed to my Riv cap.

Today I took the day off, I cannot ride more than 2-3 days in a row, if I
do I pay a price. Last week I had a Coolief treatment in my left knee that
has left it pain free but the right knee that had a replacement is not as
happy with too many days in a row.

I know when I am driving and see a bike I always give them the right of way
as I am sure most cyclists do.

Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleur for Riv Silver 34/24 cranks?

2020-09-13 Thread Jason Fuller

I am really hoping Grant is working on a Silver FD to solve exactly this 
issue - it would be a godsend to have a simple & classy looking front 
derdeder optimized for low range doubles (ie max 42T).  I would buy 
several.   

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv cantilever brakes

2020-09-13 Thread Joel Stern

S, this is the second time I have heard this in 2 days, here and on the FB
RBW site.  I would hope the chainstays in the Sam would remain the same so
we would have some variety.  I found an Orange Sam, new at a decent price
but I am not sure on the orange, but now it is a big maybe.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:40 PM S  wrote:

> I agree that the design looks very close to the Avid Shorty. I still plan
> to buy a pair, if they aren't too expensive.
>
> I like that Riv is offering more original parts and tools. I think this
> could be a growth area for them, especially the tools, which usually sell
> out instantly. And since their frame designs have begun to diverge from my
> tastes -- eg, I am disappointed the new Hillborne will have ball and socket
> seat stay ends and longer chainstays -- the parts and tools give me a way
> to keep supporting them.
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:29:59 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I was hoping for a simpler, old-school sort of cantilever, more like the
>> Rene Herse version which while wildly priced, ticks all the boxes of what
>> I'd like in a cantilever brake (Post style pads with toe-in washers, pads
>> open up wide past the frame).
>>
>> I can't say much about the Riv design though as I've not seem them in
>> person as to how they work, or tire/frame clearance and all. The blueprint
>> appears complicated though.
>>
>> Cantilevers matter to me, I prefer what the bike industry must consider
>> "not very user friendly" as I find that comical as they ARE friendly ! The
>> kind with post style pads and washers for toe in. Infinite adjustabilty.
>>
>> V-brakes and "user friendly" ?  Nah ... what fun is that ? !!!
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Simpleone (58 cm) with Rohloff Speedhub

2020-09-13 Thread maxcr

Beautiful bike! I sent a pm, hope you receive it.
Max

On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 11:28:04 AM UTC-6 Steve Cole wrote:

> Please email at Cole dot are at gmail with questions or expressions of 
> interest.  Thanks
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 1:26:55 PM UTC-4, Steve Cole wrote:
>>
>> I am selling my wonderful RBW Simpleone that Cycle Monkey converted for 
>> me from a single speed bicycle to a Rohloff Speedhub driven bike with 14 
>> spaced separated gears.  I had seen that Cycle Monkey had made a similar 
>> conversion for another Simpleone owner.  Since I first learned of Rohloff, 
>> I was fascinated by the Speedhub.  It’s truly a marvel of German 
>> engineering: https://www.rohloff.de/en/.  I knew that world tourers 
>> commonly ride bikes with Speedhubs because they are bullet-proof.  I had 
>> always had as a cycling goal to ride the Great Allegheny Passage/C Canal 
>> paths for years, which seemed like a perfect reason to convert my 
>> Simpleone.  I did, I rode, I had an amazing time, I never looked back.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I’m probably not going on another long tour again soon, if ever.  The 
>> GAP/C were about 350 miles and it took me a year and a half to 
>> prepare.  Day rides and S24Os are now my main cycling pleasures so I’m 
>> offering up my Rohloff Simpleone. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here’s a Rivendell Blug link about the Simpleone: 
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/2349569449/simpleone-update-december-17-2010
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here’s a Cycle Monky link about the conversion:  
>> https://www.cyclemonkey.com/blog/rohloff-equipped-rivendell-simpleone
>>
>>  
>>
>> My Simpleone is in near perfect condition.  You can find several photos 
>> here: 
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13V_EPZ_RttiEHXfQsV7iib51JaOx7jLn?usp=sharing.
>>   I 
>> include a couple of photos that show some nicks but, really, nothing is 
>> hidden.  The bike is fitted out with high-end components which are 
>> reflected in the price.  I will consider any reasonable offer.  Here’s the 
>> build:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Frame: 58cm Rivendell Simpleone
>>
>> Drive: Silver Rohloff Speedhub with preferred external gear mechanism, 
>> Giles Berthoud 
>>
>> shifter and threaded axle
>>
>> Bottom Bracket: Rivendell standard, likely a Shimano UN55
>>
>> Handlebars: Nitto Albatross Alloy with leather Brooks knockoff grips 
>> (Origin8) and Brooks 
>>
>> leather tape
>>
>> Brakes/Levers: Paul Components Touring Cantilevers with Pau Componentsl 
>> Canti Lever Levers
>>
>> Stem: Nitto Technomic 100mm
>>
>> Headset: Standard Rivendell, likely FSA
>>
>> Seatpost: Nitto S83, two-bolt
>>
>> Hubs: rear-Rohloff Speedhub; front-Shutter Precision SV-8 Dynamo Hub
>>
>> Lights: rear-B Secula; front-B+M Eyc T Senso
>>
>> Wheels: rims-700c Velocity Dyad; tires-Compass (Rene Herse) Barlow Pass 
>> 700cx38 standard, 
>>
>> gumwall; butted spokes, fenders-Velo Orange Snakeskin
>>
>> Rack: front-Nitto M12
>>
>>  
>>
>> Asking Price: $2,250, saddle excluded but shipping included
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Riv cantilever brakes

2020-09-13 Thread S

I agree that the design looks very close to the Avid Shorty. I still plan 
to buy a pair, if they aren't too expensive.

I like that Riv is offering more original parts and tools. I think this 
could be a growth area for them, especially the tools, which usually sell 
out instantly. And since their frame designs have begun to diverge from my 
tastes -- eg, I am disappointed the new Hillborne will have ball and socket 
seat stay ends and longer chainstays -- the parts and tools give me a way 
to keep supporting them.

On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:29:59 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

>
>
> I was hoping for a simpler, old-school sort of cantilever, more like the 
> Rene Herse version which while wildly priced, ticks all the boxes of what 
> I'd like in a cantilever brake (Post style pads with toe-in washers, pads 
> open up wide past the frame). 
>
> I can't say much about the Riv design though as I've not seem them in 
> person as to how they work, or tire/frame clearance and all. The blueprint 
> appears complicated though. 
>
> Cantilevers matter to me, I prefer what the bike industry must consider 
> "not very user friendly" as I find that comical as they ARE friendly ! The 
> kind with post style pads and washers for toe in. Infinite adjustabilty. 
>
> V-brakes and "user friendly" ?  Nah ... what fun is that ? !!!  
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

2020-09-13 Thread A. Douglas M.

I never understood the point of arguing with an officer in these 
situations. It only serves to prolong the incident? I also find it 
interesting to see animosity towards people doing their job from what is 
usually a super friendly group of people. (Cyclists and especially RBW 
cyclists)

I’ve never been pulled over on my bike in spite of doing many stop sign 
slow rolls. I have however set up many operations where I had a law 
enforcement officer on a bike with a radio and a marked car behind them. 
The officer would ride and report when vehicles passed too closely in 
violation of state law. Then the vehicle would be stopped and driver 
educated.  Those quickly got the word out that cyclist safety was being 
taken seriously along that busy stretch of highway. 

Best,

Aaron
On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 11:16:15 AM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Like Justin, I've receive 2 tickets for rolling through stop signs, in the 
> middle of suburbia. One was riding to daily class to CSUN in Northridge CA, 
> second one coming from a geo friends house, different neighborhood but same 
> town. First time I refused to give the cop physical proof of my identity 
> because I was so angry that I was being pulled over at a 4-way stop you can 
> see 100s of yards in all directions. I think I slowed enough to stop but 
> did not put my foot down. Threatened me with jail, so he followed me to my 
> house and confirmed by identity with my girlfriend then wrote the ticket. 
> Last time, like you Joel, I "matched" the identity of someone who just 
> robbed a bank. I wrote that up on the ibob list, the list topic was "Do You 
> Have a Name for Your Bike?"  The Schwinn Voyageur was then called the Bank 
> Robbery Bike after that traffic stop.
>
> Mike ticket free Godwin in smokey SLO CA
>
>
> On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 4:43:23 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:
>>
>> I was out today riding one of my usual routes. I had just gotten back on 
>> the bike (my Bleriot) after stopping to adjust the angle of my Albatross 
>> bars. I was pedaling and all of a sudden out of my mirror I saw some lights 
>> flashing and I pulled over. I got off the bike as a very young officer 
>> walked over to me. I asked him if I had done something wrong, maybe riding 
>> to fast (yeah I know being a wiseass is not really a good things). He asked 
>> me if I had just come from a street which was one I was actually heading 
>> towards.. I told him no and explained where I had ridden. It seems some guy 
>> asked a lady for directions, there mush have been more to it, he was on a 
>> bike, and I fit the description I was told. I was wearing  a short sleeve 
>> gray sweat shirts as it was an unusually chilly day today and a Rivendell 
>> cycling cap from years ago. Another officer arrived smiling, he was the 
>> officer in charge. I put up my hands and said it wasn't me and he started 
>> to laugh.He explained to me they were looking for a guy in a gray members 
>> only jacket and a baseball cap with dark hair, my hair is silver/white.
>>
>> We talked for a few minutes, they apologized and I said no need. I went 
>> back on my ride and now was on that street wondering if a woman would come 
>> out of her house chasing me.  
>>
>> In a way I had a good laugh but I wonder what this guy did to make this 
>> woman call the police. This was not my town but 2 towns away in CT while I 
>> live in MA. So something was up.
>>
>> So I wonder if any of you have ever been pulled over on your bike?
>>
>> Joel
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

2020-09-13 Thread Mike Godwin

Like Justin, I've receive 2 tickets for rolling through stop signs, in the 
middle of suburbia. One was riding to daily class to CSUN in Northridge CA, 
second one coming from a geo friends house, different neighborhood but same 
town. First time I refused to give the cop physical proof of my identity 
because I was so angry that I was being pulled over at a 4-way stop you can 
see 100s of yards in all directions. I think I slowed enough to stop but 
did not put my foot down. Threatened me with jail, so he followed me to my 
house and confirmed by identity with my girlfriend then wrote the ticket. 
Last time, like you Joel, I "matched" the identity of someone who just 
robbed a bank. I wrote that up on the ibob list, the list topic was "Do You 
Have a Name for Your Bike?"  The Schwinn Voyageur was then called the Bank 
Robbery Bike after that traffic stop.

Mike ticket free Godwin in smokey SLO CA

On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 4:43:23 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:
>
> I was out today riding one of my usual routes. I had just gotten back on 
> the bike (my Bleriot) after stopping to adjust the angle of my Albatross 
> bars. I was pedaling and all of a sudden out of my mirror I saw some lights 
> flashing and I pulled over. I got off the bike as a very young officer 
> walked over to me. I asked him if I had done something wrong, maybe riding 
> to fast (yeah I know being a wiseass is not really a good things). He asked 
> me if I had just come from a street which was one I was actually heading 
> towards.. I told him no and explained where I had ridden. It seems some guy 
> asked a lady for directions, there mush have been more to it, he was on a 
> bike, and I fit the description I was told. I was wearing  a short sleeve 
> gray sweat shirts as it was an unusually chilly day today and a Rivendell 
> cycling cap from years ago. Another officer arrived smiling, he was the 
> officer in charge. I put up my hands and said it wasn't me and he started 
> to laugh.He explained to me they were looking for a guy in a gray members 
> only jacket and a baseball cap with dark hair, my hair is silver/white.
>
> We talked for a few minutes, they apologized and I said no need. I went 
> back on my ride and now was on that street wondering if a woman would come 
> out of her house chasing me.  
>
> In a way I had a good laugh but I wonder what this guy did to make this 
> woman call the police. This was not my town but 2 towns away in CT while I 
> live in MA. So something was up.
>
> So I wonder if any of you have ever been pulled over on your bike?
>
> Joel
>

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[RBW] Re: Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

2020-09-13 Thread Ted Durant

On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 6:43:23 PM UTC-5 Joel wrote:

> So I wonder if any of you have ever been pulled over on your bike?
>

Once by a rent-a-cop, once by a random stranger.

Long ago I did Wednesday night rides that left from UW-Milwaukee's student
union. One night I was at the front of the pack as we rolled to the 4-way
stop at the NE corner of the campus. I signaled a stop, briefly stopped
(didn't put down a foot), and proceeded. No cars were at the intersection.
Around 20 other bikers followed me through. A UWM security "officer" was
behind us, gunned the engine to pull around the group, and swerved and
braked right in front of me. He jumped out of the car and started screaming
at us. I calmly told him that I stopped, it was clear, and I proceeded. I
then rode away as he kept screaming.

On a commute home one night, not far from that spot, I stopped in a line of
cars at a red light. It's a 2-lane, with left turn only in the left lane,
and I was going straight. As is my habit, I took the lane (there's zero
shoulder there), positioning myself a bit right of the center of the car in
front of me. After we started moving again, on the other side of the
intersection the car that had been behind me pulled up beside me and waved
me over. Needless to say, I was ready for a fight. Instead, the guy said "I
just want to thank you for riding correctly. Most bikers blow through that
intersection." Took me aback, but he's right. It's a T-intersection, and
we were going across the top of the T. Cyclists frequently bomb down the
right past the line of waiting cars and blow the red light.

Cyclists blowing stop signs is a pandemic around here. I'm not talking
about slowing and rolling, or Idaho stops. I'm talking about full speed
through the intersection without a hint of slowing or looking. Even people
I ride with, and know and like, seem to have decided that stop signs are
irrelevant in the last couple of years. Amusingly, they have their helmets
and their blinky lights, so they must be safe, right? Well, it's not
really that funny. A few weeks ago I saw a racer boy blow through a couple
of stop signs at fairly busy intersections and was pretty steamed. Later
that afternoon I saw that a bicyclist was killed right around that time, 20
miles north of us. I know the intersection pretty well. The bicyclist blew
through a stop sign, crossing a rural road where people regularly drive
60mph (and don't have a stop sign there). The corn was high, so I'm
guessing the driver and the cyclist didn't see each other until too late.
There's a good chance the cyclist never saw the car.

Humans are incredibly bad at calculating risk - reward ratios.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleur for Riv Silver 34/24 cranks?

2020-09-13 Thread Lyman Labry

Riv set up a Homer for me this spring using a FD-CX70 with the Silver 34-24
x 9spd and non-indexed shifters. Works fine.
Lyman in Austin

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 4:20 AM brendonoid  wrote:

>
> I currently have a FD-CX70 (that riv used to sell) running indexed with a
> 3x LX trigger shifter from the 90s. Works great but like others said you
> have to have a big gap. Align it with an imaginary 3rd ring in the crank
> and you'll be fine. If you aren't trying to index just about any old
> derailleur can be made to work.
>
> Love this crank for its Hillibiking competence. and the steel chainrings
> are super strong to boot.
> On Sunday, 13 September 2020 at 16:46:07 UTC+8 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>>Yes to what DougP has stated. Relax the FD gap !   I have a seeming
>> large gap also on my Bombadil 24/36/44 crank with a road FD, whose radius
>> doesn't really match at all.  On top of that the flat regular 44t ring is
>> reversed, as 44t rings are designed for middle/small use. So in "theory"
>> it's just all messed up, but reality isn't a theory. I use a little more
>> finesse to shift to the big ring, and it just works. That's the beauty of
>> all this manual shifting stuff, it's very fluid and adaptable and friendly.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv. Camping trip, NYC, seeking route advice

2020-09-13 Thread Bob Ehrenbeck

How about Taconic State Park - Rudd Pond (just north of Millerton, NY), 
followed by Bash Bish Falls State Park further north? 

(I've been to the former, but not the latter.) You can take the Metro North 
train to Wassaic, and a good portion of the route from Wassaic to Rudd Pond 
to Bash Bish is on the Harlem Valley Rail Trail.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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Re: [RBW] Platform bike racks, again

2020-09-13 Thread Jan O.

My MIT Atlantis fits perfectly fine with it's long wheelbase and basket. 
The rack accommodates up to 54” wheelbase and up to 3.1” tires in the 
standard configuration.

1UP offers a "Fat Tire Spacer Kit" for tires wider than 3.1” up to 4.9”. On 
a double rack, you could configure a tray for the Atlantis and the other 
tray for a fat bike with tires bigger than 3.1”.

Jan
San Francisco, CA

On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 7:51:34 AM UTC-7, peec...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I’m wondering about the 1Up as well. Specifically whether it’s easy to 
> toggle between my MIT Atlantis with its long wheelbase, genders and basket 
> and a fat tire bike, ie haul the Riv one day and fat tire the next. Does 
> this question make sense?  Tim P. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Platform bike racks, again

2020-09-13 Thread 'timothy petersen' via RBW Owners Bunch

I’m wondering about the 1Up as well. Specifically whether it’s easy to toggle 
between my MIT Atlantis with its long wheelbase, genders and basket and a fat 
tire bike, ie haul the Riv one day and fat tire the next. Does this question 
make sense?  Tim P. 

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> 
> 1up usa is the only way to goI have had Yakima, thule and Kuat 1 up usa 
> wins nole contentdre
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 6:02 PM Lucky  wrote:
>> I've read a few of the conversations about best platform rack for hitch, but 
>> to be honest, my head is spinning! Just when I think I have narrowed down 
>> what to get, I run into another issue with the rack for one reason or 
>> another. 
>> 
>> SO, who is using *which* platform rear rack for bikes with front racks and 
>> baskets? I was just about to buy the Thule rack and then it occurred to me 
>> that the hook over the wheel might not work with my bikes, all but my son's 
>> have a front rack and basket. 
>> 
>> The One Up looks nice? 
>> 
>> I need to carry four bikes on the back as I can no longer lift them to the 
>> rooftop. And don't want to scratch up my nice Riv and Riv-adjacents. 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

2020-09-13 Thread Patrick Moore

Long ago I rode carefully, as usual, through a 4-way stop and got lights
and siren. I was annoyed; said, pompously: "I've been riding in urban
traffic for over 30 years (I think I was 35 at the time and I was 11 when
my parents first let me ride to school downtown -- but in sleepy if crowded
Bangalore of the mid 1960s); but I can't blame the cop, who wouldn't be as
aware of how safe this is on a bike, compared to a car, as a cyclist.

A pretty woman cop used her radar gun on me and yelled, "19!" ... but I was
married at the time.

I have to say that I've been let off enough times by cops with warnings
after Idaho stops or crashing yellows in cars to have gotten away with more
than I paid for.

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> I was out today riding one of my usual routes. I had just gotten back on
> the bike (my Bleriot) after stopping to adjust the angle of my Albatross
> bars. I was pedaling and all of a sudden out of my mirror I saw some lights
> flashing and I pulled over. I got off the bike as a very young officer
> walked over to me. I asked him if I had done something wrong, maybe riding
> to fast (yeah I know being a wiseass is not really a good things). He asked
> me if I had just come from a street which was one I was actually heading
> towards.. I told him no and explained where I had ridden. It seems some guy
> asked a lady for directions, there mush have been more to it, he was on a
> bike, and I fit the description I was told. I was wearing  a short sleeve
> gray sweat shirts as it was an unusually chilly day today and a Rivendell
> cycling cap from years ago. Another officer arrived smiling, he was the
> officer in charge. I put up my hands and said it wasn't me and he started
> to laugh.He explained to me they were looking for a guy in a gray members
> only jacket and a baseball cap with dark hair, my hair is silver/white.
>
> We talked for a few minutes, they apologized and I said no need. I went
> back on my ride and now was on that street wondering if a woman would come
> out of her house chasing me.
>
> In a way I had a good laugh but I wonder what this guy did to make this
> woman call the police. This was not my town but 2 towns away in CT while I
> live in MA. So something was up.
>
> So I wonder if any of you have ever been pulled over on your bike?
>
> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

2020-09-13 Thread Joel Stern

When I was in grad school in St. Louis I learned to call that a St. Louis
stop.  Can’t believe they actually ticketed you vs. a warning.  Good luck
when this comes before a judge.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 10:01 AM Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
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> My wife, daughter, and I were coming back from a friends's house late one
> Sunday night this past February in Brooklyn. My daughter and I were on our
> Xtracycle and my wife was on her bike. Two cops pulled all three of us over
> for running a red light—it was 10p and no cars on the road and we did an
> Idaho stop (slowed down, looked all ways, and took a right on red, which is
> illegal in NYC). The cops were adamant that they were pulling us over for
> our own safety b/c there had been a spate of bicycle-car collisions in the
> neighborhood recently. I mouthed off about that being cars' fault rather
> than cyclists'. The cops were pretty much mum but still gave both my wife
> and I summonses that totaled about $490. (I sarcastically asked why they
> weren't giving my daughter one too; probably not a good look but I was
> pretty upset at the ridiculousness of the situation.) We're currently
> appealing and b/c of covid the case has been pushed back to next March. So
> it will be over a year since the actual incident. Fingers crossed the judge
> will throw it out or at least reduce it.
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 8:00:10 AM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>
>> I slow down always and stop when I cannot see far enough.  I find most
>> but not all drivers waive me through and are pretty considerate.  Then
>> there are those that have to beat a bike at a 4 way stop.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:05 PM 'Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was stopped once for blowing a stop sign in a wealthy “hills“
>>> neighborhood of Alexandria, Virginia. I was pretty peeved even though I was
>>> “only” given a warning.
>>>
>>> I stop at stop signs now, at least sufficiently to avoid another
>>> situation like that.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 9:47:09 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>>>
 Perfect.


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> one of those 8 sided signs you see at intersections and said, "You know
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Re: [RBW] Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

2020-09-13 Thread Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)

My wife, daughter, and I were coming back from a friends's house late one 
Sunday night this past February in Brooklyn. My daughter and I were on our 
Xtracycle and my wife was on her bike. Two cops pulled all three of us over 
for running a red light—it was 10p and no cars on the road and we did an 
Idaho stop (slowed down, looked all ways, and took a right on red, which is 
illegal in NYC). The cops were adamant that they were pulling us over for 
our own safety b/c there had been a spate of bicycle-car collisions in the 
neighborhood recently. I mouthed off about that being cars' fault rather 
than cyclists'. The cops were pretty much mum but still gave both my wife 
and I summonses that totaled about $490. (I sarcastically asked why they 
weren't giving my daughter one too; probably not a good look but I was 
pretty upset at the ridiculousness of the situation.) We're currently 
appealing and b/c of covid the case has been pushed back to next March. So 
it will be over a year since the actual incident. Fingers crossed the judge 
will throw it out or at least reduce it. 

On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 8:00:10 AM UTC-4 Joel wrote:

> I slow down always and stop when I cannot see far enough.  I find most but 
> not all drivers waive me through and are pretty considerate.  Then there 
> are those that have to beat a bike at a 4 way stop.  
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:05 PM 'Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>> I was stopped once for blowing a stop sign in a wealthy “hills“ 
>> neighborhood of Alexandria, Virginia. I was pretty peeved even though I was 
>> “only” given a warning. 
>>
>> I stop at stop signs now, at least sufficiently to avoid another 
>> situation like that. 
>>
>> On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 9:47:09 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>>
>>> Perfect.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:28 PM Fullylugged  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not pulled over, but a deputy pulled along side after I rolled through 
 one of those 8 sided signs you see at intersections and said, "You know 
 those STOP signs are for you too."  I said, "yes officer thank you for 
 reminding me." He waved and sped off.

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Re: [RBW] Platform bike racks, again

2020-09-13 Thread Bruce Baker

1up usa is the only way to goI have had Yakima, thule and Kuat 1 up usa
wins nole contentdre

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> I've read a few of the conversations about best platform rack for hitch,
> but to be honest, my head is spinning! Just when I think I have narrowed
> down what to get, I run into another issue with the rack for one reason or
> another.
>
> SO, who is using *which* platform rear rack for bikes with front racks and
> baskets? I was just about to buy the Thule rack and then it occurred to me
> that the hook over the wheel might not work with my bikes, all but my son's
> have a front rack and basket.
>
> The One Up looks nice?
>
> I need to carry four bikes on the back as I can no longer lift them to the
> rooftop. And don't want to scratch up my nice Riv and Riv-adjacents.
>
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[RBW] Re: Platform bike racks, again

2020-09-13 Thread 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch

I have a 1 Up and it is great. They also just came up with an attachment 
that allows you to carry a bike with fenders which I just tried out this 
weekend. It works really well.

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> I've read a few of the conversations about best platform rack for hitch, 
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> another. 
>
> SO, who is using *which* platform rear rack for bikes with front racks and 
> baskets? I was just about to buy the Thule rack and then it occurred to me 
> that the hook over the wheel might not work with my bikes, all but my son's 
> have a front rack and basket. 
>
> The One Up looks nice? 
>
> I need to carry four bikes on the back as I can no longer lift them to the 
> rooftop. And don't want to scratch up my nice Riv and Riv-adjacents. 
>
> Thanks for any advice! 
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Re: [RBW] Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

2020-09-13 Thread Joel Stern

I slow down always and stop when I cannot see far enough.  I find most but
not all drivers waive me through and are pretty considerate.  Then there
are those that have to beat a bike at a 4 way stop.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:05 PM 'Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> I was stopped once for blowing a stop sign in a wealthy “hills“
> neighborhood of Alexandria, Virginia. I was pretty peeved even though I was
> “only” given a warning.
>
> I stop at stop signs now, at least sufficiently to avoid another situation
> like that.
>
> On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 9:47:09 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>
>> Perfect.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:28 PM Fullylugged  wrote:
>>
>>> Not pulled over, but a deputy pulled along side after I rolled through
>>> one of those 8 sided signs you see at intersections and said, "You know
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[RBW] Re: New Riv cantilever brakes

2020-09-13 Thread Garth



I was hoping for a simpler, old-school sort of cantilever, more like the 
Rene Herse version which while wildly priced, ticks all the boxes of what 
I'd like in a cantilever brake (Post style pads with toe-in washers, pads 
open up wide past the frame). 

I can't say much about the Riv design though as I've not seem them in 
person as to how they work, or tire/frame clearance and all. The blueprint 
appears complicated though. 

Cantilevers matter to me, I prefer what the bike industry must consider 
"not very user friendly" as I find that comical as they ARE friendly ! The 
kind with post style pads and washers for toe in. Infinite adjustabilty. 

V-brakes and "user friendly" ?  Nah ... what fun is that ? !!!  

 

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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur for Riv Silver 34/24 cranks?

2020-09-13 Thread brendonoid

I currently have a FD-CX70 (that riv used to sell) running indexed with a 
3x LX trigger shifter from the 90s. Works great but like others said you 
have to have a big gap. Align it with an imaginary 3rd ring in the crank 
and you'll be fine. If you aren't trying to index just about any old 
derailleur can be made to work.

Love this crank for its Hillibiking competence. and the steel chainrings 
are super strong to boot.
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>Yes to what DougP has stated. Relax the FD gap !   I have a seeming 
> large gap also on my Bombadil 24/36/44 crank with a road FD, whose radius 
> doesn't really match at all.  On top of that the flat regular 44t ring is 
> reversed, as 44t rings are designed for middle/small use. So in "theory" 
> it's just all messed up, but reality isn't a theory. I use a little more 
> finesse to shift to the big ring, and it just works. That's the beauty of 
> all this manual shifting stuff, it's very fluid and adaptable and friendly. 
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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur for Riv Silver 34/24 cranks?

2020-09-13 Thread Garth


   Yes to what DougP has stated. Relax the FD gap !   I have a seeming 
large gap also on my Bombadil 24/36/44 crank with a road FD, whose radius 
doesn't really match at all.  On top of that the flat regular 44t ring is 
reversed, as 44t rings are designed for middle/small use. So in "theory" 
it's just all messed up, but reality isn't a theory. I use a little more 
finesse to shift to the big ring, and it just works. That's the beauty of 
all this manual shifting stuff, it's very fluid and adaptable and friendly. 

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