[RBW] Re: Fitting STIs in a 22.2 moustache/albatross inspired handlebar

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Juan Pablo, that's a nice bike! While road levers are nominally for 
bigger bars, they use a band clamp that will snug down tight enough on 
22.2. I did it with Tiagra levers on a flipped Albatross once and it worked 
ok, you just gotta get them far enough around the curve for the brake lever 
to work without bottoming out on the bars. Shifting the paddles that way is 
kinda weird but you get used to it. Give it a try! 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 6:13:11 PM UTC-8 jpoy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> I'm Juan Pablo, from Chile (pardon my not-so-perfect English)...
> I'm riding an old road bike made by Samuel del Valle (a Chilean artisan 
> that was quite renowned back in the day, even by E. Colnago), and the build 
> consists of this old Reynolds lugged frameset, and every other component in 
> the bike is modern (105 groupset and the like).
>
> [image: postmodern-samuel-del-valle-1987-33224_1.jpg]
>
> At this moment, I'm suffering the length of the reach in my hands and 
> never ever find myself riding in the drops, so I'm planning to get a 
> shorter stem and an albatross-like handlebar; I want to keep everything 
> else. 
>
> Locally I only find the soma sparrow; I find it quite comfortable, but the 
> lever-area is 22.2. I found some encouraging experiences online about 
> installing STI (or road) handles in sparrows, both in rideability and 
> feasibility. But I want to get as much advice as I can.. Any tips or 
> insights would be much appreciated, especially about what to use as a shim 
> to keep everything firm and tight.
>
> Thanks!!!
> JP
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 630 wheel size

[Sam Perez]

Figured more tire options moving to a 700c

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 6:13 PM Victor Hanson  wrote:

> Sam,
>
> Be careful, remember its a 4mm radius when replacing 700c with 27 1/4"
> (American size from the 10 spd craze in the 70's.)  Going the other way
> placing 700c wheels on a 27 1/4"  frame is no problem, use a brake with
> greater reach.  BUT WHY?
>
> VTW
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:09 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> 630mm is the actual diameter of the rim nominally known as 27", you see
>> it on a lot of '70s 10-speeds and most of those use centerpulls. 622 is
>> what we call 700c and would be the closest size you could try and possibly
>> get the brake pads to reach.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 7:51:57 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> I am a little confused on what a 630 wheel size is and if the frame hase
>>> center pull brakes and is designed around such a size is it convertible to
>>> 650 b or 700 or 26?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Chambray shirt deal alert

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

I’m not sure if the size refers to the pre-shrink or post-shrunk 
measurements, because if you looking around at the other items, even the 
ones not expected to shrink (like the polyesters), the sizes are all the 
same. So it’s likely the latter than the former.

I’m really just asking if the sizing is correct, because 42.25” is quite 
large for a size small. Maybe they’re intended to be loose, but the 
description also isn’t terribly helpful . I like when sites list the 
model’s height and weight, and the size of the clothing the model is 
wearing, to give a more practical and useful reference.

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 7:16:44 PM UTC-8 velomann wrote:

> "...is the sizing correct? Their small has a chest size of 42.25", which 
> is 21" pit-to-pit and definitely a little large for a small. Is that the 
> "Riv fit" you're talking about?"
>
> The site says the fabric is NOT pre-shrunk. Buy the size you normally 
> wear, wash it, and it should fit like normal after first wash and dry.
>
> Mike "Fan of Levis 501 shrink-to-fit" Mann
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 7:43:52 AM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
>> Hey Dan, is the sizing correct? Their small has a chest size of 42.25", 
>> which is 21" pit-to-pit and definitely a little large for a small. Is that 
>> the "Riv fit" you're talking about?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 7:48:26 AM UTC-8 danmc wrote:
>>
>>> Edgevale has their chambray shirt from last year on close out for $34. I 
>>> have been really happy with this shirt. The fabric is not pre-shrunk but a 
>>> good wash and dry gets it to a perfect Riv fit - not fitted with room to 
>>> move. At $89 they were a good deal. At $34 it is a crazy good deal. 
>>>
>>> https://edgevaleusa.com/collections/sale/products/elwell-chambray
>>>
>>> Sewn in the US from Japanese fabric. 
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> San Rafael CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Leah Peterson]

Yes, Coco, what Roberta said! We’d love to know what you found - color and some 
photos and all that good stuff! I thought you’d have a difficult time finding a 
52, so I’m thrilled to know you snagged one somewhere. I rode 21 miles on my 
Clem today - they’re great bikes. They’re like home.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 7:59 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> I'm so happy for you.  What's the color and be sure to post pictures.   
> Nothing here on the east coast yet.
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:10:18 PM UTC-5 coco...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Looks like I found some luck on a 52cm! Still on the lookout for a 59cm or 
>> 64cm New Gen Clem L.
>> 
>> Thanks for all your help Riv Fam!
>> 
>> Coco
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-5 Coco Menk wrote:
>>> Heck yeah! All the #RivSisters! Glad to learn what you all are riding. The 
>>> Joe's and Atlantis' are definitely other dream bikes I would love to own in 
>>> the future. The Clem is just a financially more realistic option at the 
>>> moment, plus the geo is fairly close to either of the lugged options. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for keeping an eye out for me, Roberta! 
>>> 
 On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:27 PM Roberta  wrote:
 HI,Coco.  Another #RivSister here.  We always are happy when our little 
 group grows.  Why should the men have all the Riv-love?
 
 I am lucky enough to ride on Leah's (formerly husband's, now son's) Clem H 
 when I go to visit my sister, who lives just a few miles from Leah.  My 
 PBH is 83 and this bike/size will be perfect for you!  As you know, nice 
 and smooth. 
 
 I look forward to seeing your soon-to-be-Riv.  BTW, if you cannot get a 
 Clem H, a Joe Appaloosa is a close model.  That is what I have and love 
 (and a Homer).  
 
 I have an ongoing Craigslist search for "Rivendell" and if anything pops 
 up from Washington DC to NY, I'll let you know.
 
 Roberta
 
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Coco Menk wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my 
> boyfriend. 
> 
> We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking 
> for our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this 
> past winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were 
> so many options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own, 
> significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny 
> seascape Riv-less, but hooked.
> 
> The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some miracles 
> in this absurd bike boom.
> 
> More bikes for the people!!
> Coco
> 
> 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Jason Fuller]

Joe P - I expect you're right. I bought an XO-1 and a Sam last year and the
XO-1 didn't last long because despite being a great bike worthy of its
accolades, it's well overshadowed by the Hillborne. It's maybe a bit less
zippy, but the small concession there is paid back tenfold in ride quality.
RBW makes a number of "all rounder" bikes today but I think the Sam is
probably my favourite blend.

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[RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Roberta]

It's a revelation!  I too had one bike for nearly 30 years.  Then I bought 
a Riv.  Then another.  

Start saving your money because you'll start smiling like you never have 
before!



On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:09:42 PM UTC-5 Joe P wrote:

> Really excited that I was able to order a 54 cm Sam, the dark gold. My 
> stalking of the RBW website paid off! I have had only one bike for the last 
> 30 years (an x-03). I love that bike, but I have a feeling this is going to 
> be a whole different thing.
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:34:23 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I recently read in some form of Rivendell communication or 
>> another, that Riv will be getting new shipments of bicycles monthly for the 
>> next several months - starting now. I love this for several reasons. 
>>
>> 1. Rivendell is making money. 
>> 2. People are having New Bike Day. 
>> 3. New Rivendells are arguably the best topic we have on this List. 
>>
>> I think it would be fun to start a thread specific to these new bikes and 
>> see who is getting what. Maybe it’s for you. Maybe it’s a Christmas gift 
>> for your spouse or your kiddo. Today, the dark gold and Rivendell blue Sams 
>> were up for grabs. I would love to celebrate with you if you ordered one 
>> and care to mention it here. 
>>
>> I don’t know what number of frames Rivendell started with, but there were 
>> only a handful left on the site a couple of hours ago. Congratulations if 
>> you are a proud new owner! 
>> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Roberta]

I'm so happy for you.  What's the color and be sure to post pictures.   
Nothing here on the east coast yet.

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:10:18 PM UTC-5 coco...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks like I found some luck on a 52cm! Still on the lookout for a 59cm or 
> 64cm New Gen Clem L.
>
> Thanks for all your help Riv Fam!
>
> Coco
>
> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-5 Coco Menk wrote:
>
>> Heck yeah! All the #RivSisters! Glad to learn what you all are riding. 
>> The Joe's and Atlantis' are definitely other dream bikes I would love to 
>> own in the future. The Clem is just a financially more realistic option at 
>> the moment, plus the geo is fairly close to either of the lugged options. 
>>
>> Thanks for keeping an eye out for me, Roberta! 
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:27 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> HI,Coco.  Another #RivSister here.  We always are happy when our little 
>>> group grows.  Why should the men have all the Riv-love?
>>>
>>> I am lucky enough to ride on Leah's (formerly husband's, now son's) Clem 
>>> H when I go to visit my sister, who lives just a few miles from Leah.  My 
>>> PBH is 83 and this bike/size will be perfect for you!  As you know, nice 
>>> and smooth. 
>>>
>>> I look forward to seeing your soon-to-be-Riv.  BTW, if you cannot get a 
>>> Clem H, a Joe Appaloosa is a close model.  That is what I have and love 
>>> (and a Homer).  
>>>
>>> I have an ongoing Craigslist search for "Rivendell" and if anything pops 
>>> up from Washington DC to NY, I'll let you know.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Coco Menk wrote:

 Hi there!

 On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my 
 boyfriend. 

 We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking 
 for our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this 
 past winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were 
 so 
 many options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own, 
 significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny 
 seascape Riv-less, but hooked.

 The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some 
 miracles in this absurd bike boom.

 More bikes for the people!!
 Coco


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Re: [RBW] Ideas needed for offseting front rack from exposed cable

[Roberta]

Thank you John, Joe, Brian and Eric!

I have two bags but I don't think this one is deep enough to cause a 
rubbing issue:  Carradice Zippered Roll,   
https://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/saddle-packs-sqr-bags/originals-zipped-roll  


It's this VO bag that I got from a member here that I'm concerned about.
I bought it because I can use it without a decaleur.  The bag part is about 
7" deep, but it could hang lower after attachment.   My other Riv is a Joe 
Appaloosa with V Brakes, but Joe makes a good point that I wouldn't want a 
bag marring the head tube.

Eric, that's an interesting look at the item.  John H. also gave it a 
thumbs up for quality.

Roberta

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 5:35:39 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I’ll just chime in to say that the Nitto bag support is indeed very nice. 
> Here’s a photo of the Nitto part holding up a small (Acorn) bag on my 1972 
> Cinelli:
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Nov 18, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> Does anyone have  suggestions for something to "offset" a front handlebar 
> bag from rubbing on the front exposed cable?  
>
> With John H's help, we found this 
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-f16-front-handlebar-hook-bag-supporter-bag-part-nitto--870-288-10/p
>  
> , but it's a bit pricey.  The support "shelf" is nice but not required.
>
> I'm not interested in a permanently fixed item. as I'd move it from Riv to 
> Riv.  Other than the price, I like this item.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
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[RBW] Re: Chambray shirt deal alert

[velomann]

"...is the sizing correct? Their small has a chest size of 42.25", which is 
21" pit-to-pit and definitely a little large for a small. Is that the "Riv 
fit" you're talking about?"

The site says the fabric is NOT pre-shrunk. Buy the size you normally wear, 
wash it, and it should fit like normal after first wash and dry.

Mike "Fan of Levis 501 shrink-to-fit" Mann

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 7:43:52 AM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
CA wrote:

> Hey Dan, is the sizing correct? Their small has a chest size of 42.25", 
> which is 21" pit-to-pit and definitely a little large for a small. Is that 
> the "Riv fit" you're talking about?
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 7:48:26 AM UTC-8 danmc wrote:
>
>> Edgevale has their chambray shirt from last year on close out for $34. I 
>> have been really happy with this shirt. The fabric is not pre-shrunk but a 
>> good wash and dry gets it to a perfect Riv fit - not fitted with room to 
>> move. At $89 they were a good deal. At $34 it is a crazy good deal. 
>>
>> https://edgevaleusa.com/collections/sale/products/elwell-chambray
>>
>> Sewn in the US from Japanese fabric. 
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> San Rafael CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: New list member intro

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Hey Harth, 

Welcome to the group!  Much enjoyed reading your/All-rounder's riding 
history.   With all those dents and scratches in the right places, I'd say 
the All-rounder has aged gracefully.  Or maybe battle-hardened would the 
right term :)   The partnership is nearing a quarter century! 

It would be my dream to put my bike (which is Susie/Wolbis. Before settling 
with it I tried 3 other Riv's over last 4 years.  Feels like this's THE 
one!  I also have a Roadini, but that's more of a fashion bike to ride to 
work and keep it at my cubicle.  Wolbis is doing all the real work) to as 
much use as your All-rounder over next 25 years. 

See you around!
Ash

On Wednesday, 18 November 2020 at 18:10:00 UTC-8 har...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hi folks,
> I'm a longtime lurker who finally signed up.  I was a BOB back in the day 
> and on the ibob list since about 2000, and while I still read ibob daily, 
> they often discuss things I don't pay attention to or care about these 
> days.  Nothing negative about that, just not as much for me to browse in my 
> zone of interests.  Rivendells, however, are always of interest to me, so 
> here I am.
>
> I bought my All-rounder in 1996 and it has been used as my touring bike, 
> gravel "race" bike, commuter, camping bike (which is somehow different from 
> touring bike, maybe), cyclocross "race" bike, and even as my mountain bike 
> with mustache bars when I was replacing a broken one (until I snapped the 
> bars).  It has seen a lot of use and clearly shows its wear, with worn 
> paint, chips, dents, and even some rust quite evident (damn chain suck).  
> It could use some attention, for sure. I recently replaced my Paselas with 
> these Schwalbes, and they are the best riding tires I have had on it by 
> far, including the Compass 1.75s and the RTPs, which had a negative effect 
> on handling and didn't fit with fenders.  New fenders await installation. 
> The bag is old and worn, and I am stoked to be awaiting one of the Route 
> Werks bags that will go well on this.
>
> Three years ago, almost to the day, I crashed hard on it and broke a few 
> bones after hitting some black ice on a descent.  The bars are currently 
> bent and tape is gouged, but it rolls on, as always.
>
> My other connection to Riv and Grant goes back to '95 when I put my RB-1 
> and my mountain bike (Rocky Mtn Blizzard) on top my old Subie and drove 
> around the country.  I ended up on Grant's doorstep, and he invited me in.  
> Together we unboxed two prototype Riv Roads from Waterford and built them 
> up.  We went for a ride, the first time I had ever ridden a road bike 
> offroad.  I'll never forget the looks on the faces of the mountain bikers 
> we came across and definitely will not forget how much fun I had. It 
> changed my riding forever! Grant later wrote about our adventure in the Riv 
> Reader.
>
> That's about it.  Well, my other bikes are an RB-T I use daily for 
> commutes and long rides, the same RB-1 I bought new in '93, and a lugged 
> Vanilla mtb, plus a custom tandem and a couple project bikes that sit 
> unfinished. 
>
> I am glad to be on this list.  The sense of camaraderie is evident, as 
> witnessed by the excitement over the new Platypus and other new bikes, and 
> the appreciation of all things Riv is clear.  There are many familiar names 
> on this list, an obvious crossover from ibob, and many new ones, too.  I'm 
> not too talkative, so I will mostly stay in the background, but I do like 
> to ask questions because I have way more of those than I have answers.
>
> [image: Riv.jpg]
> Cheers,
>
> Harth Huffman
> Portland, Oregon
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 630 wheel size

[Victor Hanson]

Sam,

Be careful, remember its a 4mm radius when replacing 700c with 27 1/4"
(American size from the 10 spd craze in the 70's.)  Going the other way
placing 700c wheels on a 27 1/4"  frame is no problem, use a brake with
greater reach.  BUT WHY?

VTW

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:09 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> 630mm is the actual diameter of the rim nominally known as 27", you see it
> on a lot of '70s 10-speeds and most of those use centerpulls. 622 is what
> we call 700c and would be the closest size you could try and possibly get
> the brake pads to reach.
>
> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 7:51:57 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> I am a little confused on what a 630 wheel size is and if the frame hase
>> center pull brakes and is designed around such a size is it convertible to
>> 650 b or 700 or 26?
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Re: [RBW] Re: 630 wheel size

[Victor Hanson]

Eric yes 27 1/4 was the most popular size think Schwinn Varsity ect.
630mm refers to the bead seat diameter.

Victor

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 07:50 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> 630mm is the same as 27-inch? See this:
>
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rims/630.html
>
> –Eric N
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:09 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> 630mm is the actual diameter of the rim nominally known as 27", you see
> it on a lot of '70s 10-speeds and most of those use centerpulls. 622 is
> what we call 700c and would be the closest size you could try and possibly
> get the brake pads to reach.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 7:51:57 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> I am a little confused on what a 630 wheel size is and if the frame hase
>> center pull brakes and is designed around such a size is it convertible to
>> 650 b or 700 or 26?
>>
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[RBW] Re: My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[dave_manze...@yahoo.com]

Hi Ray-
Yes, I used a simple cordless drill (no tricks, as it is pretty 
straightforward). Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any 
specific questions. Thanks,
Dave 

On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 11:46:25 AM UTC-5 Ray wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Since there has been so much appreciation for your TRP lever hack here, I 
> was wondering if you wouldn't mind sharing your method with us? Did you 
> just use a cordless drill for the hole? Any trick to moving the anchor stop 
> to its new hole?
>
> Ray
> Madison, WI
>
> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 9:47:59 AM UTC-6 Daniel M wrote:
>
>> Wow. I've been looking at my TRP levers and thinking they would be easy 
>> to modify to long pull by doing exactly what you've done. I've been 
>> perfectly happy with the Tektro RL 520, but the TRPs have a really nice 
>> shape so I think this may be the route I take with my MB-1 that has been 
>> converted to drop bars and is awaiting further conversion to V-brakes.
>>
>> This is why I still read bike forums obsessively!
>>
>> Daniel M
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 9:20:34 AM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> Followed your link to your Esty store.  Great patches.  Order a couple 
>>> of Bike Tinkers Union patches.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 6:54:42 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>

 I saw your lever hack and said, “O dude!” California born and bred 
 here. 
 That’s a great addition to the bike tinkering knowledge base. I’m 
 pretty sure I’ll use that in the mid to near future. I’d be honored to 
 send 
 you a free Bike Tinkers Union patch and sticker set for that idea. 
 Pick what you want, and let me know: 
 https://www.etsy.com/shop/philipwilliamson

 Philip
 Santa Rosa, CA
 On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8 dave_m...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:

> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I 
> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a 
> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given 
> the 
> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it 
> would 
> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running 
> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass 
> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used 
> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of 
> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still 
> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project.



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Re: [RBW] Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

Thanks for the tip Matthew! 

On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 7:33:44 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi Coco, here's another 59 Clem Smith Jr.:
>
> $1200
> Indianapolis, IN
>
>
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7230856237.html
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Coco Menk  wrote:
>
> Heck yeah! All the #RivSisters! Glad to learn what you all are riding. The 
> Joe's and Atlantis' are definitely other dream bikes I would love to own in 
> the future. The Clem is just a financially more realistic option at the 
> moment, plus the geo is fairly close to either of the lugged options. 
>
> Thanks for keeping an eye out for me, Roberta! 
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:27 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> HI,Coco.  Another #RivSister here.  We always are happy when our little 
>> group grows.  Why should the men have all the Riv-love?
>>
>> I am lucky enough to ride on Leah's (formerly husband's, now son's) Clem 
>> H when I go to visit my sister, who lives just a few miles from Leah.  My 
>> PBH is 83 and this bike/size will be perfect for you!  As you know, nice 
>> and smooth. 
>>
>> I look forward to seeing your soon-to-be-Riv.  BTW, if you cannot get a 
>> Clem H, a Joe Appaloosa is a close model.  That is what I have and love 
>> (and a Homer).  
>>
>> I have an ongoing Craigslist search for "Rivendell" and if anything pops 
>> up from Washington DC to NY, I'll let you know.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Coco Menk wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there!
>>>
>>> On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my 
>>> boyfriend. 
>>>
>>> We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking 
>>> for our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this 
>>> past winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were so 
>>> many options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own, 
>>> significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny 
>>> seascape Riv-less, but hooked.
>>>
>>> The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some 
>>> miracles in this absurd bike boom.
>>>
>>> More bikes for the people!!
>>> Coco
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: What? No bikes at RBW?

[Andrew Stevens]

Salsa ran out of their 2020 allotment in mid April, purportedly. We ordered 
Surlys in August, and werent given the option of sizes/models, just paid 
for a certain number of bikes, with a delivery timeframe is 
"October-February." All Surly completes have been pre-allotted to bike 
shops through next summer, and aren't being added to distributors websites 
for B2B (business to business) purchases. We were unable to source 26x2" 
tubes for 6 weeks, because production was so backed up in China/Taiwan

I imagine Rivs long distance planning and good relationship with their 
manufacturers keeps their production times more consistent, but everyone is 
feeling the production times slow down. 

Here is a New York Times article about 
it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/nyregion/bike-shortage-coronavirus.html

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 7:26:54 PM UTC-6 Jim M. wrote:

> Anyone else notice that bikes are mostly out of stock at RBW? I'm not sure 
> if that's a good thing (they're successfully selling everything) or bad 
> thing (they're not keeping up with demand.
>
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Re: [RBW] How large of a tire will a Sam Hillborne actually fit

[Ryan Stanis]

David, that build looks super fresh with the Oracle Ridge tires on there!
I'll have to pick up a pair at some point and pull the fenders to give
those a try.

OP, I've been running Panaracer Gravel King SK 700x43s on CR18s with VO
Zeppelin Fenders (52mm wide?) on a Canti Sam and the fit istight.
Fenders can get clogged with debris easily and if the fenders get knocked
around i'll end up getting tire rub when really cranking up climbs.  It
wasn't til I went climbing through some fallen trees after a big storm that
the fender started doing thatShould've taken a hint and turned around.

-Ryan

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 7:07 PM David Baldi 
wrote:

> I just built up a Sam with Rene Herse Oracle Ridge on Velocity Dyads.
> Feels fantastic, and the clearance is perfect for use w/o fenders.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/97k84okvey64VQ6r9
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:06:53 AM UTC-5 diekaiser wrote:
>
>> I have Vittoria Terreno Dry (47) on a Cliffhanger rim and I have minimal
>> clearance in the rear at the brake bridge. Also, the Paul Mini Motos mini
>> cable is ever so close to the tire tread. I also ran the same setup on
>> Velocity Quills and it was a little bit better in both the brake bridge and
>> brake cable clearance of the Mini Motos. I've also ran the GravelKing 1.9's
>> (non-slick) on both the Cliffhangers and Quills. Again, minimal clearance,
>> but it rolled.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:19:31 PM UTC-8 Mark Allen wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's the canti version from the last run (2018/2019) before this
>>> month's release.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>>
 Do you have the canti version? I have side pull, and I don’t think I
 could do fenders with Snoqualmie Pass tires. Fenders and Barlow Pass 38 is
 excellent though.

 On Nov 8, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Mark Allen  wrote:

 For anyone interested in the max size with fenders, the 44mm Rene
 Herse Snoqualmie Pass under Velo Orange 52mm Zeppelin fenders fit my 2018
 Hillborne perfectly, but I don't think I could go any larger for either
 component.

 Mark

 On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:03:19 AM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:

> To repeat what others have said, 48-50 really is the comfortable limit
> on my 18'. I'm running 43mm and the SKS fenders are TIGHT, especially on
> the rear. I know normally bike brands normally pad the max clearance to
> prevent warranty claims, but Riv hasn't on this model. It really can't go
> much bigger.
>
> - Nathan
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[RBW] Wanted: Hub area rack with loop

[Ryan Nute]

Hi folks: Looks like these have been out of stock for awhile.  I'm looking 
for one for my Bleriot if anyone's selling.  Thanks!

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: cold weather winter riding tips

[Coco Menk]

A good thermos and a good vest! If you can find a rain jacket with the 
armpit zippers, those are great too.

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 6:33:02 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> As noted in another post above (quoted below), in cold weather, the 
> trickiest thing other than fluctuating conditions is heat put out by the 
> engine. I find wool layering, from long johns on up, to work well down into 
> the 40s while doing a good job of dissipating extra heat. (Rivendell sells 
> lots of useful wool goodies.) Colder and or windier, and a vest or jacket 
> to break the wind. Something for the head/ears always. On rides of more 
> that five or six miles in more extreme cold, feet and hands need special 
> attention. Frigid temps with bitter wind make sure you have something like 
> Riv's possum neck gaiter to pull over the face.
>
> Perhaps the most important cold riding accessory is some type of luggage 
> on the bike, so that you can take off stuff if you get overheated, and put 
> stuff on if you start to get chilly. I'm not a fan of starting out cold 
> these days. Much happier warming up while warm, then shedding a layer if 
> necessary.m
>
> From Mark in Beacon to Bryan in 12508 ;^)
>
> P.S. Didn't google previously keep hidden the email addresses on these 
> threads unless you received it via email itself?
>
>
> Brian wrote:* I'm a little cold right when I start, but warm up pretty 
> quick once I start pedaling. That's the sweet spot...if you are not cold 
> when you start, you're overdressed and you'll likely overheat and sweat a 
> lot, which will make you cold and clammy.  If you never warm up, you're not 
> wearing enough and you'll be uncomfortable the whole ride. I know I'm doing 
> it right when I'm feeling fairly thermo-regulated on climbs and flats and a 
> little chilly on descents and when I'm stopped at a light.*
>
> [image: IMG_20201108_094601979(1).jpg]
> Me in my WoolyWarm vest, vintage Pendleton, merino skins (not shown) and 
> wool beanie.
> (Yikes, the photos post differently as well!)
> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 9:58:10 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I can go as low as the upper teens (if the windchill is not down in 
>> single digits) on my work commute with the following items...
>>
>> -base layer (top and bottom) that wicks moisture (wool is the best, but I 
>> have cheap Costco thermals that work ok)
>> -Normal work attire (khakis, button shirt)
>> -wool socks and liner gloves
>> -insulated leather mittens
>> -wool gaiter 
>> -thin wool beanie 
>> -light wind breaker
>>
>> I'm a little cold right when I start, but warm up pretty quick once I 
>> start pedaling. That's the sweet spot...if you are not cold when you start, 
>> you're overdressed and you'll likely overheat and sweat a lot, which will 
>> make you cold and clammy.  If you never warm up, you're not wearing enough 
>> and you'll be uncomfortable the whole ride. I know I'm doing it right when 
>> I'm feeling fairly thermo-regulated on climbs and flats and a little chilly 
>> on descents and when I'm stopped at a light.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 7:56:19 AM UTC-6 
>> br...@onenaturellc.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious to know what old time riders used to do to ride in sub 40 
>>> degree f weather. I figure my fellow riv superfans here might have some 
>>> experiences to share. I'm writing from 12508 zip code. We often get a 
>>> precious few sunny hours mid-day when the temps slip into mid-thirties in 
>>> the winter and the heavily salted country roads are for the most part ice 
>>> free. For the record, I already tried this "zwift" thing and it isn't for 
>>> me ha ha.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus Rear Fender Install Help/Suggestions

[Gustavo Vasquez]

On my Specialized Expedition, I bought some aluminum bushings/washers about 1” 
thick from a local hardware store for about $1. 

I would try that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 6:10 AM, RDS  wrote:
> 
> I assume a spacer of some size will be involved to get the fender down under 
> the brake.
> 
>> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 9:08:54 AM UTC-5 RDS wrote:
>> What is the best way to install the rear fender on the Gus (see pic).  I 
>> purchased some SKS Bluemels.  If another type of fender will work better, 
>> let me know.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

Looks like I found some luck on a 52cm! Still on the lookout for a 59cm or 
64cm New Gen Clem L.

Thanks for all your help Riv Fam!

Coco

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-5 Coco Menk wrote:

> Heck yeah! All the #RivSisters! Glad to learn what you all are riding. The 
> Joe's and Atlantis' are definitely other dream bikes I would love to own in 
> the future. The Clem is just a financially more realistic option at the 
> moment, plus the geo is fairly close to either of the lugged options. 
>
> Thanks for keeping an eye out for me, Roberta! 
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:27 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> HI,Coco.  Another #RivSister here.  We always are happy when our little 
>> group grows.  Why should the men have all the Riv-love?
>>
>> I am lucky enough to ride on Leah's (formerly husband's, now son's) Clem 
>> H when I go to visit my sister, who lives just a few miles from Leah.  My 
>> PBH is 83 and this bike/size will be perfect for you!  As you know, nice 
>> and smooth. 
>>
>> I look forward to seeing your soon-to-be-Riv.  BTW, if you cannot get a 
>> Clem H, a Joe Appaloosa is a close model.  That is what I have and love 
>> (and a Homer).  
>>
>> I have an ongoing Craigslist search for "Rivendell" and if anything pops 
>> up from Washington DC to NY, I'll let you know.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Coco Menk wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there!
>>>
>>> On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my 
>>> boyfriend. 
>>>
>>> We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking 
>>> for our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this 
>>> past winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were so 
>>> many options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own, 
>>> significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny 
>>> seascape Riv-less, but hooked.
>>>
>>> The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some 
>>> miracles in this absurd bike boom.
>>>
>>> More bikes for the people!!
>>> Coco
>>>
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[RBW] Re: My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[dave_manze...@yahoo.com]

The brake lever hack It is literally 2 holes drilled with a cordless drill. 
I didn’t even take the levers apart. The part to worry about is where to 
drill and what size holes to make. You need to remove a circlip to remove 
the barrel shaped cable stop. There are 2 bushings, one for each side, that 
determine the required hole sizes. The larger hole has to be positioned so 
that the bushing and circlip can be reinstalled in the new location, and 
there isn’t much room. It is a little fiddly to then install the cables, 
but it’s doable. If there is enough interest I could try to create an 
illustrated guide.

On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:20:34 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:

> Followed your link to your Esty store.  Great patches.  Order a couple of 
> Bike Tinkers Union patches.
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 6:54:42 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>>
>> I saw your lever hack and said, “O dude!” California born and bred here. 
>> That’s a great addition to the bike tinkering knowledge base. I’m pretty 
>> sure I’ll use that in the mid to near future. I’d be honored to send you a 
>> free Bike Tinkers Union patch and sticker set for that idea. 
>> Pick what you want, and let me know: 
>> https://www.etsy.com/shop/philipwilliamson
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8 dave_m...@yahoo.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I 
>>> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a 
>>> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given the 
>>> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it would 
>>> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running 
>>> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass 
>>> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used 
>>> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of 
>>> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still 
>>> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[dave_manze...@yahoo.com]

Yes, the crankset is the Andel 3-pin dressed up with some gold anno bits. I 
was also nervous about drilling the TRP levers, so I bought a cheap set of 
knockoff Lixada levers to practice on first as a “proof-of-concept”. 
On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:35:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Nice Atlantis, and thanks for sharing the tip about the brake lever 
> modification I'll keep that in mind if I swap out my cantis for Vs.
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:02 AM dave_m...@yahoo.com <
> david.h@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I 
>> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a 
>> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given the 
>> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it would 
>> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running 
>> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass 
>> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used 
>> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of 
>> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still 
>> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Joe P]

Really excited that I was able to order a 54 cm Sam, the dark gold. My 
stalking of the RBW website paid off! I have had only one bike for the last 
30 years (an x-03). I love that bike, but I have a feeling this is going to 
be a whole different thing.

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:34:23 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I think I recently read in some form of Rivendell communication or 
> another, that Riv will be getting new shipments of bicycles monthly for the 
> next several months - starting now. I love this for several reasons. 
>
> 1. Rivendell is making money. 
> 2. People are having New Bike Day.
> 3. New Rivendells are arguably the best topic we have on this List.
>
> I think it would be fun to start a thread specific to these new bikes and 
> see who is getting what. Maybe it’s for you. Maybe it’s a Christmas gift 
> for your spouse or your kiddo. Today, the dark gold and Rivendell blue Sams 
> were up for grabs. I would love to celebrate with you if you ordered one 
> and care to mention it here. 
>
> I don’t know what number of frames Rivendell started with, but there were 
> only a handful left on the site a couple of hours ago. Congratulations if 
> you are a proud new owner!
> Leah

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Re: [RBW] My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[Stephen]

Looks like a really fun ride! What color are you going to use for the bars?
On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:35:21 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Nice Atlantis, and thanks for sharing the tip about the brake lever 
> modification I'll keep that in mind if I swap out my cantis for Vs.
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:02 AM dave_m...@yahoo.com <
> david.h@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I 
>> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a 
>> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given the 
>> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it would 
>> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running 
>> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass 
>> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used 
>> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of 
>> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still 
>> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Two Pairs of Panaracer Pasela PT Tires (700x32 and 700x38)

[Ed Carolipio]

Sold pending payment.

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 2:16:11 PM UTC-8 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Posting two sets of lightly used 32mm and 38mm road/touring tires which 
> may be of interest to the group.
>
>- *A Pair of Panaracer Pasela PT 700c x 32mm Tires, Folding Bead, Tan 
>Sidewall. *Great condition. Under 100 miles of asphalt riding on a 
>Roadini. $45/pair, shipped CONUS.
>- *A Pair of Panaracer Pasela PT 700c x 38mm Tires, Folding Bead, Tan 
>Sidewall*. Even better condition. Minimal amount of miles - just short 
>rides around the neighborhood. $45/pair, shipped CONUS.
>
> Photos available here via Google Photos:
>
>- 32mm: https://photos.app.goo.gl/uzq13QmaJkHhTzYc7
>- 38mm: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SQheE7jto6iaEXwU9
>
> Shipping will be via USPS Priority mail. Paypal goods and services 
> preferred: I'll cover the fees. Please reply privately if interested or if 
> you have questions.
>  
> Thanks for looking,
> --Ed C.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Soma Supple Vitesse SL Tires @ Somafab On Sale for $30ea?!

[Paul Brodek]

They kinda grow on ya.

PB

On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 8:00:22 PM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Ha!  I've seen that Kelly!
>
> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 2:39:28 PM UTC-6 Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> Should be pretty close. Just aired up a blk/tan 38 to about 70psi on a 
>> 25mm-outer Ardennes+, 38.21mm. So sez my digicaliper, appending the 
>> tenths/hundreds just to annoy Bulgie. If Bulgie's here, can't keep track of 
>> that kid.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 1:18:51 PM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks
>>> So do you find the 38's true to measurement on those HED rims?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 12:29:34 PM UTC-5 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>>
 Oh yeah, sorry I didn't mention that, they are non-TC. I suspect maybe 
 that's why they're blowing 'em out, to make room for newer TC versions? I 
 have zero knowledge/insider-poop on that, it's just the only thing that 
 makes sense to me re: this sale.

 Might also be worth mentioning that IME these tires are what I'd call 
 slightly undersized, meaning I generally don't get the labeled width until 
 they're on wider modern rims, like 23-25mm outer width. HED 
 Belgium/Ardennes C2/+, H+Sons Archetype mostly for me.

 The all-black can work fine depending on the rest of the bike, and I 
 like not having to worry about tan sidewalls getting funky. They are not 
 the tire for you if you're looking for that understated tiny-label look. 
 They ride real nice.

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA

 [image: 50095493146_d38352ece9_c.jpg][image: 
 50135056208_3f1816cf62_c.jpg]

 On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 12:12:58 PM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:

> Also , I don't think these are Tubeless compatible 
>
> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 12:03:02 PM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Thanks Paul, 
>> Just picked up some black sidewall 700x38's for the Canti-Rom I'm 
>> slowly building 
>> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 11:50:29 AM UTC-5 Sam Kling wrote:
>>
>>> The 23mm EX's are only $15 each, if anyone around here runs 23s.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 9:55:54 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That is a SMOKING hot deal. I need puncture protection riding on 
 city streets most of the time, but if they had black/tan in 700x42, 
 I'd be 
 tempted to get a pair just to try them out. I do use the Shikoro, 
 which to 
 me are basically a heavy-armored SV. 

 Thanks for the heads up, though!
 Ben
 On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 11:14:40 PM UTC-6 Paul Brodek wrote:

> I am completely overloaded on tires, but figured y'all might want 
> to know that Soma looks to be blowing out SV Superlight tires at the 
> low-low price of only $29.99ea. That's ridiculously cheap for such a 
> nice 
> tire IMHO.
>
> Only 28/33 are available in black/tan, most all other sizes in 
> stock in blk/blk. 
>
> I've got no financial/etc connection other than having a metric 
> ton of SV tires in-house, bought at retail. I'm a super-fan.
>
> Seems curious to me, though, why blow out expensive tires when 
> there seems to be a tire shortage, esp at the dealer level? Could 
> they be 
> that over-loaded? New versions on the way/in-house so they want to 
> clear 
> out the old stock? [Note I have absolutely zero knowledge about that, 
> just 
> trying to rationalize in my own brain why they're blowing these out, 
> and 
> priced so cheaply, in the midst of rubber shortages].
>
> I might have missed a blog post from them or whatevs, but I'm left 
> with a whole of "Huh?" in my cranium.
>
> Paul "Huh?" Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
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[RBW] Switch from Brooks B17 to Brooks Cambium C17 - Does the seat slide further back

[James Warren]

Hi All,

I had a Brooks B17 (copper rivet nice one) on my Hunqapillar. I just
changed to a C17. I tried to measure to see if where I sit on the seat is
now further to the rear of the bike if both saddles are as far back on
their rails as they can be. But it's a little hard to measure in order to
be quantitative.

But when riding the bike, I feel like maybe I am sitting further back to
the rear now. Or is it an illusion?

Has anyone else had this feeling or experience or success actually
measuring this comparison?

Thank you,
Jimmy Warren

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[RBW] Re: FS: Premium Parts Bin Blow Out

[Mike Godwin]

Hi Tim

let me know if you got my message

Mike SLO CA spokenhubmg at gmail.com

On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 1:32:23 PM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Maybe you've got a Hilliebike project coming up this winter? Restoring an 
> old Stump Jumper? Maybe you could use something that I have as an upgrade? 
> All parts are gently used, less than a year old and in good condition.. 
> Free shipping to the lower 48 with the exception of the wheelset.  
>
> *Wheelset*: 32H Velocity Cliffhangers black with machined sidewalls. 
> White Industries MI5 135 mm rear hub. Front hub is a SON Widebody Dynohub. 
> Sapim Force spokes with brass nipples. Wheels currently set up tubeless but 
> can be run with tubes if you prefer. Super sturdy build with low mileage. 
> Great for off road or touring. $850 plus actual shipping to the lower 48 
> states. 
>
> *Cranks*: White Industries ENO 175mm Crankset. Black with White 
> Industries 28 tooth single narrow wide chainring. Selling complete for $260 
> shipped or $200 without the ring.
>
> *Paul Love Levers*. Long Pull for V-brakes or mechanical disc. Black $150 
> shipped.
>
> *Brooks B-17* Standard Black $80 shipped.
>
> *Nitto S-92 *Seatpost 27.2 350 mm long. black ceramic finish $100 shipped.
> *Nitto R-10* Rear Bag support works with 27.2 or 26.8 Seatpost black 
> ceramic finish $125 shipped.
>
> *Spank *Oozy Platform Pedals $100 shipped.
>
> *SRAM Rival 1* Rear Derailleur Long Cage 11 speed $100 shipped. Works 
> great With 11 x 50 Cassette if you run a 1X. 
>
> *Sunrace*  11 speed 11 x 50 Cassette $80. Will thrown in a free JTEK 
> cable pull modifier if you are going for turkey vulture gearing and you buy 
> complete set (Derailleur plus rear cassette and chain) 
>
> *Connex 11 Speed Chain *black/brass combo. Looks sharp and in good 
> condition.  Extra-long. Comes with two 11 speed Connex Quick Links $75 
> shipped.
>
> *Shimano* Dura Ace 9 speed Bar Con shifters $90 shipped.
>
> *Crust/Nitto* UI 31.8mm 1” quill stem with removable faceplate Black $75 
> shipped.
>
> 2 *King* Cage Iris $20 for each shipped. 
>
> *Paul Thumbie* Right Side Shimano black $50 shipped. 
>
> *Zefal* HPX No. 2 Pump $30 shipped.
>
> *Swift Zeitgeist* Bag. Black like new condition. $160 shipped. 
>
> PayPal preferred FF. 
>
> You can find a link to the photos below. I still need to add photos of the 
> Swift bag and the wheelset. I'll edit and include when I have time this 
> evening. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xpeaFkCna4QktTou6
>
> Tim
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[Joe Bernard]

The current bid on that cap is proof positive that we've all been in the 
house too long 

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:36:02 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> Well there's your answer--Ugly Rivendell Caps are the new Ugly Christmas 
> Sweaters. Get 'em while the gettin's good.
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:07:05 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett wrote:
>
>> I remember that one. It came in as a surprise. 
>> Grant said it was the ugliest cap he'd ever seen. 
>> We didn't sell them. A few leaked out, I guess. 
>>
>> Used Rivendell caps normally don't sell for anywhere near this amount on 
>> eBay. 
>>
>> John jo...@rivbike.com
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
>> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>
>>> So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction 
>>> . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell cycling 
>>> cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly added up and 
>>> currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already at $51 plus 
>>> $3.95 for shipping.
>>>
>>> Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special about it. 
>>> It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, and it's *used 
>>> *(albeit 
>>> in almost-new condition). Why are people willing to bid this cap up so 
>>> high? And more importantly, am *I* now slightly wealthier because I 
>>> have a stack of similar used Rivendell caps in different colors, including 
>>> this mustard-yellow version? :)
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[Mark Roland]

Well there's your answer--Ugly Rivendell Caps are the new Ugly Christmas 
Sweaters. Get 'em while the gettin's good.

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:07:05 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett wrote:

> I remember that one. It came in as a surprise. 
> Grant said it was the ugliest cap he'd ever seen. 
> We didn't sell them. A few leaked out, I guess. 
>
> Used Rivendell caps normally don't sell for anywhere near this amount on 
> eBay. 
>
> John jo...@rivbike.com
>
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
>> So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction 
>> . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell cycling 
>> cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly added up and 
>> currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already at $51 plus 
>> $3.95 for shipping.
>>
>> Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special about it. 
>> It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, and it's *used 
>> *(albeit 
>> in almost-new condition). Why are people willing to bid this cap up so 
>> high? And more importantly, am *I* now slightly wealthier because I have 
>> a stack of similar used Rivendell caps in different colors, including this 
>> mustard-yellow version? :)
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto HiRise 135, Old Man Mountain rack

[Joe Bernard]

Very good condition quill stem Riv sold until recently, shoots your bars to 
the moon as Grant would say. 
13.5cm along the upjutter part, reach is about like a flat 12cm stem, 25.4 
clamp. 
$50 plus shipping. 

Old Man Mountain front rack that came off my now-Jason-has-it Bombadil, 
made in Santa Barbara CA., I didn't know anything about these and 
discovered holy crap they're expensive! Fixins for mounting to fork 
dropouts and canti mounts which makes it a good candidate for v-braked 
bikes, the company sells a bunch of kits to fit it to just about anything. 
$50 plus shipping. 

Hollaback at joeremi62 gmail com
Socially distanced pick up at front door and pop the cash in the mailbox 
also doable. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/k9FprJ7g8wX4zgZr5

Thanks,
Joe Bernard
Marin County CA. 

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Re: [RBW] Ideas needed for offseting front rack from exposed cable

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’ll just chime in to say that the Nitto bag support is indeed very nice. 
Here’s a photo of the Nitto part holding up a small (Acorn) bag on my 1972 
Cinelli:



--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have  suggestions for something to "offset" a front handlebar bag 
> from rubbing on the front exposed cable?  
> 
> With John H's help, we found this 
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-f16-front-handlebar-hook-bag-supporter-bag-part-nitto--870-288-10/p
>  
> 
>  , but it's a bit pricey.  The support "shelf" is nice but not required.
> 
> I'm not interested in a permanently fixed item. as I'd move it from Riv to 
> Riv.  Other than the price, I like this item.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roberta
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[RBW] FS: Two Pairs of Panaracer Pasela PT Tires (700x32 and 700x38)

[Ed Carolipio]

Posting two sets of lightly used 32mm and 38mm road/touring tires which may 
be of interest to the group.

   - *A Pair of Panaracer Pasela PT 700c x 32mm Tires, Folding Bead, Tan 
   Sidewall. *Great condition. Under 100 miles of asphalt riding on a 
   Roadini. $45/pair, shipped CONUS.
   - *A Pair of Panaracer Pasela PT 700c x 38mm Tires, Folding Bead, Tan 
   Sidewall*. Even better condition. Minimal amount of miles - just short 
   rides around the neighborhood. $45/pair, shipped CONUS.

Photos available here via Google Photos:

   - 32mm: https://photos.app.goo.gl/uzq13QmaJkHhTzYc7
   - 38mm: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SQheE7jto6iaEXwU9

Shipping will be via USPS Priority mail. Paypal goods and services 
preferred: I'll cover the fees. Please reply privately if interested or if 
you have questions.
 
Thanks for looking,
--Ed C.

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[RBW] FS: Yepp Maxi Easyfit Rear Child Seat with Easyfit Rack - $140 plus shipping

[David B]

Kids are outgrowing this one and we're switching over to tag-a-long bikes, 
so no need for this to just sit in the garage.

Yepp Maxi Easyfit Rear Seat - gray
Steco 'Power Safety Carrier' Rear Rack - silver, burly steel, has Easyfit 
window so seat mounts directly to rack

Both used on my Clem for a few years. Photo on my Clem from a couple years 
ago (same condition overall now): 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BjgPAmzBkDe/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Selling both together. Shipping won't be cheap, but I do have a box ready 
to go.
$140 plus shipping for the set.
Contact off list if you can.
Paypal for payment.


Pickup near River Grove, IL is an option - though please make arrangements 
to pay first with PayPal, and pickup within a week - doing some garage work 
so clearing things out.

Thanks,
David

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[RBW] Re: Ideas needed for offseting front rack from exposed cable

[Joe Bernard]

Roberta,

What handlebar bag are you using? I've never worried much about cable rub, 
I actually like that a centerpull (or canti) brake puts a cable through the 
center so it acts as a block to keep the bag off the headtube. 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 12:44:24 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> Does anyone have  suggestions for something to "offset" a front handlebar 
> bag from rubbing on the front exposed cable?  
>
> With John H's help, we found this 
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-f16-front-handlebar-hook-bag-supporter-bag-part-nitto--870-288-10/p
>  
> , but it's a bit pricey.  The support "shelf" is nice but not required.
>
> I'm not interested in a permanently fixed item. as I'd move it from Riv to 
> Riv.  Other than the price, I like this item.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: Ideas needed for offseting front rack from exposed cable

[Brian Campbell]

Roberta,

What front bag is being used?


On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:44:24 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Does anyone have  suggestions for something to "offset" a front handlebar 
> bag from rubbing on the front exposed cable?  
>
> With John H's help, we found this 
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-f16-front-handlebar-hook-bag-supporter-bag-part-nitto--870-288-10/p
>  
> , but it's a bit pricey.  The support "shelf" is nice but not required.
>
> I'm not interested in a permanently fixed item. as I'd move it from Riv to 
> Riv.  Other than the price, I like this item.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 630 wheel size

[Sam Perez]

I see thanks for the quick response everyone

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 7:50 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> 630mm is the same as 27-inch? See this:
>
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rims/630.html
>
> –Eric N
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:09 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> 630mm is the actual diameter of the rim nominally known as 27", you see
> it on a lot of '70s 10-speeds and most of those use centerpulls. 622 is
> what we call 700c and would be the closest size you could try and possibly
> get the brake pads to reach.
>
> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 7:51:57 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> I am a little confused on what a 630 wheel size is and if the frame hase
>> center pull brakes and is designed around such a size is it convertible to
>> 650 b or 700 or 26?
>>
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[RBW] Ideas needed for offseting front rack from exposed cable

[Roberta]

 Does anyone have  suggestions for something to "offset" a front handlebar 
bag from rubbing on the front exposed cable?  

With John H's help, we found this 
https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-f16-front-handlebar-hook-bag-supporter-bag-part-nitto--870-288-10/p
 
, but it's a bit pricey.  The support "shelf" is nice but not required.

I'm not interested in a permanently fixed item. as I'd move it from Riv to 
Riv.  Other than the price, I like this item.

Thanks,
Roberta

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[RBW] Ideas for front handlebar bag offset from the exposed cable

[Roberta]

Does anyone have a suggestion for something to "offset" a front handlebar 
bag from rubbing on the front exposed cable?  

With John H's help, we found this 
https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-f16-front-handlebar-hook-bag-supporter-bag-part-nitto--870-288-10/p
 
, but it's a bit pricey.  The support "shelf" is nice but not required.

I'm not interested in a permanently fixed item. as I'd move it from Riv to 
Riv.  Other than the price, I like this item.

Thanks,
Roberta


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[RBW] Re: "Cross-training" for cycling: walking? Also: Inexpensive but large and practical backpack?

[Robert Hakim]

Patrick,  not sure if you are an app guy or not, but I found the Nike 
Training Club app to be helpful to get me motivate to maintain my body. It 
helps to motivate by breaking down the barriers I perceive and removing 
most excuses. (Only excuse left now is me being a lazy, lazy man) 

I was working on a project documenting construction errors and it’s fix 
which required me to take thousands upon thousands of photos with a dslr 
mounted with a telephoto lens and large flash unit every day for months. 
The majority of the photos were on very high ceilings, you can imagine the 
havoc this unleashed on my young neck and back, constantly craning upwards 
and compensating for whatever pain developed the day before... 

A friend recommended me the app and told me to ignore my disdain for 
traditional athletics and standard exercise. I heeded the advice and was 
quite pleased what great leaps and bounds of progress I made with 
relatively little commitment. The app is nice because you can select the 
body group you want to maintain and they have encouraging guided videos 
that walk you through the process and show you how to modify the drills for 
comfort or lack of equipment. 

Best of all, no gym required! It removes that huge barrier for me, I can 
now flail in my living room with nary a soul to cast judgment on my lack of 
strength or strings of winded expletives muttered throughout the event.

I liken the improvements to finally changing the cable housing on your 
shifting and braking system after a few years of dealing with dwindling 
performance. It will make you feel crisp and refreshed! 

Best of luck 
Robert 
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:40:25 AM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Patrick, 
> there's gotta be others here with lower disc issues, L5-6 for me. It seems 
> like once you start feeling those twinges, it "suggests" other issues are 
> going on. Stretching moves every day keeps the discs flexible, it helps get 
> fluids into the discs, and minor benefit it helps the core muscles by 
> equalizing the tension. Mix in with different body exercises (specific leg 
> lifts, other things, planks, push ups).  Push-ups help me with riding on 
> drops.  Bike riding actually causes tightening of the muscles that connect 
> into the lower back, so you want to even things out and keep loose. Walking 
> is a very good way of keeping things loose. Unlike Jack, if I'm doing 
> construction projects, it really aggravates the lower back, but gotta keep 
> stretching.  I had an episode last summer where my right leg was going 
> numb, but on the inside - hip to ankle - stabbing hot pain that kept me 
> from sleeping for 3 days. Now I know what true sciatic pain is, it is 
> brutal. Its from compression of the spine on nerves where the discs are 
> damaged. I don't like doing the exercises either, but I do like being able 
> to ride and walk and hike. Don't let it get away from you. 
>
> Check out The Back Mechanic by Stuart McGill for self-help regimes.
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 8:21:22 AM UTC-8 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick,
>> Late to the party here. I do a short intense work out of pushups, squats, 
>> and planks. 10 minutes maximum. Start with pushups by doing as many as I 
>> can, switch to squats, usually about 20, do a 30 second plank, back to 
>> squats 20 or as many as I can, pushups again, and rotate. The key is very 
>> little rest between sets. If I had a pull up bar I would do those in the 
>> rotation too. 
>> I have inflammation issues and if I do this a few times a week an dstay 
>> away from sugar and grains, I feel great. my riding is way stronger too.
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 12:56:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I should be doing more of other sorts of exercise besides cycling 
>>> anyway, but what brings this to mind is that my lower back -- center, just 
>>> above hips -- has been moderately painful off and on for the last 7-10 
>>> days; I think that the cause or occasion was insufficient muscle tone while 
>>> spending too much time all at once bent over working on the Monocog and 
>>> other things; this exacerbated by bending over too forcefully a couple of 
>>> times afterward to reach things on the ground (dog shit, if you must know). 
>>> It's not more than mild, and for a long time I've been stiff down there 
>>> after sitting (I do try to sit straight) or bending, and it has been worse 
>>> in the past; generally my back is fine, thank God; but I'd like to nip it 
>>> in the bud.
>>>
>>> Besides cycling, I do pushups, but that aside, I despise "exercise." 
>>> I've heard, read, and felt when I do it that simple walking is a good 
>>> all-over exercise and that, in particular, it strengthens your core -- of 
>>> course, it will do this only moderately but moderately is all I want.
>>>
>>> Can anyone comment on walking for general health and, in particular, to 
>>> keep your core in basic tone? I have 

[RBW] Re: "Cross-training" for cycling: walking? Also: Inexpensive but large and practical backpack?

[Mike Godwin]

Patrick, 
there's gotta be others here with lower disc issues, L5-6 for me. It seems 
like once you start feeling those twinges, it "suggests" other issues are 
going on. Stretching moves every day keeps the discs flexible, it helps get 
fluids into the discs, and minor benefit it helps the core muscles by 
equalizing the tension. Mix in with different body exercises (specific leg 
lifts, other things, planks, push ups).  Push-ups help me with riding on 
drops.  Bike riding actually causes tightening of the muscles that connect 
into the lower back, so you want to even things out and keep loose. Walking 
is a very good way of keeping things loose. Unlike Jack, if I'm doing 
construction projects, it really aggravates the lower back, but gotta keep 
stretching.  I had an episode last summer where my right leg was going 
numb, but on the inside - hip to ankle - stabbing hot pain that kept me 
from sleeping for 3 days. Now I know what true sciatic pain is, it is 
brutal. Its from compression of the spine on nerves where the discs are 
damaged. I don't like doing the exercises either, but I do like being able 
to ride and walk and hike. Don't let it get away from you. 

Check out The Back Mechanic by Stuart McGill for self-help regimes.

Mike SLO CA

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 8:21:22 AM UTC-8 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> Late to the party here. I do a short intense work out of pushups, squats, 
> and planks. 10 minutes maximum. Start with pushups by doing as many as I 
> can, switch to squats, usually about 20, do a 30 second plank, back to 
> squats 20 or as many as I can, pushups again, and rotate. The key is very 
> little rest between sets. If I had a pull up bar I would do those in the 
> rotation too. 
> I have inflammation issues and if I do this a few times a week an dstay 
> away from sugar and grains, I feel great. my riding is way stronger too.
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 12:56:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I should be doing more of other sorts of exercise besides cycling anyway, 
>> but what brings this to mind is that my lower back -- center, just above 
>> hips -- has been moderately painful off and on for the last 7-10 days; I 
>> think that the cause or occasion was insufficient muscle tone while 
>> spending too much time all at once bent over working on the Monocog and 
>> other things; this exacerbated by bending over too forcefully a couple of 
>> times afterward to reach things on the ground (dog shit, if you must know). 
>> It's not more than mild, and for a long time I've been stiff down there 
>> after sitting (I do try to sit straight) or bending, and it has been worse 
>> in the past; generally my back is fine, thank God; but I'd like to nip it 
>> in the bud.
>>
>> Besides cycling, I do pushups, but that aside, I despise "exercise." I've 
>> heard, read, and felt when I do it that simple walking is a good all-over 
>> exercise and that, in particular, it strengthens your core -- of course, it 
>> will do this only moderately but moderately is all I want.
>>
>> Can anyone comment on walking for general health and, in particular, to 
>> keep your core in basic tone? I have noticed that, when I walk more, my 
>> trunk and legs feel less "tight."
>>
>> Once again, I am not likely to do stretching or any methodical program of 
>> exercise, so advice in regimens is likely wasted effort. (That's why God 
>> invented bikes, fer heaven's sake!! To make "exercise" -- and "saving the 
>> planet" -- fun.)
>>
>> If anyone has general useful information on lower back pain, I'll be 
>> grateful to hear it.
>>
>> Next question: Can anyone recommend an inexpensive large backpack for 
>> grocery runs? It should hold, and hold with reasonable comfort to the 
>> wearer, at least a full paper grocery sack's worth of groceries, including 
>> the weight of cans and bottles. Longest distance loaded will be 1 mile -- I 
>> have 1 grocery store 1/4 mile away, another 7/10 mile away, even though I 
>> live in a bosque enclave. 
>>
>> I just walked to and from the further one -- Sprout's -- and carried home 
>> 36 lb of groceries, 29 lb in a very large Timbuktu courier bag; not the 
>> best method. Carrying 36 lb of groceries on a bike is a lot easier! But the 
>> wheels of my grocery bike are waiting at the bike shop for the rim tape 
>> needed to make the Naches Pass tires tubeless.
>>
>> Patrick "18.53 minutes per mile outbound empty, 23.04 minutes per mile 
>> return under load" Moore
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: "Cross-training" for cycling: walking? Also: Inexpensive but large and practical backpack?

[Tom Palmer]

Hi Patrick,
Late to the party here. I do a short intense work out of pushups, squats, 
and planks. 10 minutes maximum. Start with pushups by doing as many as I 
can, switch to squats, usually about 20, do a 30 second plank, back to 
squats 20 or as many as I can, pushups again, and rotate. The key is very 
little rest between sets. If I had a pull up bar I would do those in the 
rotation too. 
I have inflammation issues and if I do this a few times a week an dstay 
away from sugar and grains, I feel great. my riding is way stronger too.
Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI
On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 12:56:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I should be doing more of other sorts of exercise besides cycling anyway, 
> but what brings this to mind is that my lower back -- center, just above 
> hips -- has been moderately painful off and on for the last 7-10 days; I 
> think that the cause or occasion was insufficient muscle tone while 
> spending too much time all at once bent over working on the Monocog and 
> other things; this exacerbated by bending over too forcefully a couple of 
> times afterward to reach things on the ground (dog shit, if you must know). 
> It's not more than mild, and for a long time I've been stiff down there 
> after sitting (I do try to sit straight) or bending, and it has been worse 
> in the past; generally my back is fine, thank God; but I'd like to nip it 
> in the bud.
>
> Besides cycling, I do pushups, but that aside, I despise "exercise." I've 
> heard, read, and felt when I do it that simple walking is a good all-over 
> exercise and that, in particular, it strengthens your core -- of course, it 
> will do this only moderately but moderately is all I want.
>
> Can anyone comment on walking for general health and, in particular, to 
> keep your core in basic tone? I have noticed that, when I walk more, my 
> trunk and legs feel less "tight."
>
> Once again, I am not likely to do stretching or any methodical program of 
> exercise, so advice in regimens is likely wasted effort. (That's why God 
> invented bikes, fer heaven's sake!! To make "exercise" -- and "saving the 
> planet" -- fun.)
>
> If anyone has general useful information on lower back pain, I'll be 
> grateful to hear it.
>
> Next question: Can anyone recommend an inexpensive large backpack for 
> grocery runs? It should hold, and hold with reasonable comfort to the 
> wearer, at least a full paper grocery sack's worth of groceries, including 
> the weight of cans and bottles. Longest distance loaded will be 1 mile -- I 
> have 1 grocery store 1/4 mile away, another 7/10 mile away, even though I 
> live in a bosque enclave. 
>
> I just walked to and from the further one -- Sprout's -- and carried home 
> 36 lb of groceries, 29 lb in a very large Timbuktu courier bag; not the 
> best method. Carrying 36 lb of groceries on a bike is a lot easier! But the 
> wheels of my grocery bike are waiting at the bike shop for the rim tape 
> needed to make the Naches Pass tires tubeless.
>
> Patrick "18.53 minutes per mile outbound empty, 23.04 minutes per mile 
> return under load" Moore
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Want to Buy or Trade for Brown Riv back o bike bags (set) and Steiner headset tool

[Garth]

Oh boy, I purchased the last one in stock for the long head tubes !   I had 
not really planned on buying one but after struggling with DIY hacks I 
rather had enough of that. 

On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 2:46:04 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> I did get one, thank you! Let the headset cup pressing begin! (It's so 
> much less unwieldy than the Park.) Also make a DIY remover out of 3/4" 
> electrical conduit and a fork crown putter on-er out of 1 1/4" pvc.
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-5 m.sah...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Mark, I'm not sure if you already ordered one or not, but Riv has two 
>> headset tools in stock right now... I ordered one yesterday, excited to get 
>> it and use it!
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:04:11 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>> NY wrote:
>>
>>> Nope, I saw that they only had five to begin with. Still a much better 
>>> ratio than the sad 58cm to 68cm frame availability. 
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:57:30 PM UTC-4 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 You're seeing 5 of the longer head set tool still in stock? All my 
 computers (so not a browser refresh issue) show both sizes out of stock 
 since not long after the newsletter hit. 

 On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:29:08 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. 
 -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
> And only five of the longer for the taller...
> -Kai
>
> On Friday, October 23, 2020 at 3:16:17 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Mark, 
>>
>> I managed to snag one on the second round of these -- it is a truly 
>> lovely tool that works extremely well. I had a home made headset press 
>> made 
>> with large washers, nuts, and all thread, which was functional but 
>> finicky. 
>> It is now at my local co-op -- I donated it. I've used the Stein on two 
>> headsets so far...Wow!   It is worth the wait. Sooner or later 
>> supply 
>> will catch up with demand, or you'll just happen to be on the Riv site 
>> when 
>> they get restocked or juat after (which is what happened to me). 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>> Holy Cow. I missed out on the Head set tool again. Sold out. I even 
>>> signed up for the email alert, never got one, just the mass newsletter 
>>> announcing they were back in stock, but did not see it until after work 
>>> and...gone.
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 2:19:09 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:




 I have twiced missed out on the head set tool Rivendell is selling. 
 If you have one and maybe having second thoughts, I would love to buy 
 it. I 
 have a few builds coming up where I will need it. Despite being on the 
 notification email, the instagram feed, and the newsletter, I have 
 missed 
 it twice. I think they've sold out both times within a couple of hours.

 I know, these are out there, but I've seen it work before! Please 
 reply off list. Thanks!

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[John A. Bennett]

I remember that one. It came in as a surprise. 
Grant said it was the ugliest cap he'd ever seen. 
We didn't sell them. A few leaked out, I guess. 

Used Rivendell caps normally don't sell for anywhere near this amount on 
eBay. 

John j...@rivbike.com


On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
CA wrote:

> So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction 
> . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell cycling 
> cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly added up and 
> currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already at $51 plus 
> $3.95 for shipping.
>
> Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special about it. 
> It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, and it's *used 
> *(albeit 
> in almost-new condition). Why are people willing to bid this cap up so 
> high? And more importantly, am *I* now slightly wealthier because I have 
> a stack of similar used Rivendell caps in different colors, including this 
> mustard-yellow version? :)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 630 wheel size

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

630mm is the same as 27-inch? See this:

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rims/630.html

–Eric N


> On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:09 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> 630mm is the actual diameter of the rim nominally known as 27", you see it 
> on a lot of '70s 10-speeds and most of those use centerpulls. 622 is what we 
> call 700c and would be the closest size you could try and possibly get the 
> brake pads to reach. 
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 7:51:57 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>> I am a little confused on what a 630 wheel size is and if the frame hase 
>> center pull brakes and is designed around such a size is it convertible to 
>> 650 b or 700 or 26?
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Re: [RBW] How large of a tire will a Sam Hillborne actually fit

[Joseph Willms]

Thanks, Scott. I appreciate that. That's a good-looking bike!

Joe

On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 1:57:36 PM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Just had a pair of the V/O 52mm Zepplin fenders installed on my SimpleOne 
> over top of 42mm Compass Hurricane Pass tires. The clearance kinda seems 
> about the same +/– compared to my Sam thats running 43mm BG R'n R's. 
> Clearance is pretty good, you'll def. hear and feel peddles on rougher 
> roads. here's a link to a insta gallery of the build: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CHdvFFoF-CO/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
>
> Scott
>
> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 11:48:57 PM UTC-5 willms...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Mark, that's the ticket! Looks like I found one 
>>  using 42 mm Soma Cazaderos and 
>> Sim Works by Honjo Fenders (Turtle 58 mm from the looks of it) with a 
>> Minimoto! Thank you!
>>
>> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 10:31:49 PM UTC-6 Joseph Willms wrote:
>>
>>> Mark, I'll look through there now. Thank you!
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 5:09:24 PM UTC-6 Mark Allen wrote:
>>>
 Joe – I'm using Paul Touring Cantis, haven't tried them with V brakes. 
 Looking at Blue Lug's Hillborne gallery 
 ,
  
 they seem to have a few builds with Minimotos and 40mm+ tires and some 
 with 
 fenders, maybe that will give you some clues as to what is possible.

 On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 12:35:01 PM UTC-5 willms...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Mark, 
>
> What brakes are you running on your Sam?  I was thinking about doing 
> the Snoqualmie Pass on mine, but thought fenders would be a no-go if I 
> wanted to use Paul Minimotos.  Based on the 52mm fender size though, I'm 
> now wondering if it isn't actually possible.  Paul said 44mm tires are 
> the 
> max for the Minimotos, but I think their video also had 50 or 52 mm 
> fenders 
> with the brakes as well.  
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 6:07:39 PM UTC-6 David Baldi wrote:
>
>> I just built up a Sam with Rene Herse Oracle Ridge on Velocity Dyads. 
>> Feels fantastic, and the clearance is perfect for use w/o fenders. 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/97k84okvey64VQ6r9
>>
>> On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:06:53 AM UTC-5 diekaiser wrote:
>>
>>> I have Vittoria Terreno Dry (47) on a Cliffhanger rim and I have 
>>> minimal clearance in the rear at the brake bridge. Also, the Paul Mini 
>>> Motos mini cable is ever so close to the tire tread. I also ran the 
>>> same 
>>> setup on Velocity Quills and it was a little bit better in both the 
>>> brake 
>>> bridge and brake cable clearance of the Mini Motos. I've also ran the 
>>> GravelKing 1.9's (non-slick) on both the Cliffhangers and Quills. 
>>> Again, 
>>> minimal clearance, but it rolled.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:19:31 PM UTC-8 Mark Allen wrote:
>>>
 Yes, it's the canti version from the last run (2018/2019) before 
 this month's release.

 On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote:

> Do you have the canti version? I have side pull, and I don’t think 
> I could do fenders with Snoqualmie Pass tires. Fenders and Barlow 
> Pass 38 
> is excellent though.
>
> On Nov 8, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Mark Allen  wrote:
>
> For anyone interested in the max size with fenders, the 44mm Rene 
> Herse Snoqualmie Pass under Velo Orange 52mm Zeppelin fenders fit my 
> 2018 
> Hillborne perfectly, but I don't think I could go any larger for 
> either 
> component.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:03:19 AM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:
>
>> To repeat what others have said, 48-50 really is the comfortable 
>> limit on my 18'. I'm running 43mm and the SKS fenders are TIGHT, 
>> especially 
>> on the rear. I know normally bike brands normally pad the max 
>> clearance to 
>> prevent warranty claims, but Riv hasn't on this model. It really 
>> can't go 
>> much bigger. 
>>
>> - Nathan
>>
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[RBW] Re: Chambray shirt deal alert

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

Hey Dan, is the sizing correct? Their small has a chest size of 42.25", 
which is 21" pit-to-pit and definitely a little large for a small. Is that 
the "Riv fit" you're talking about?

On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 7:48:26 AM UTC-8 danmc wrote:

> Edgevale has their chambray shirt from last year on close out for $34. I 
> have been really happy with this shirt. The fabric is not pre-shrunk but a 
> good wash and dry gets it to a perfect Riv fit - not fitted with room to 
> move. At $89 they were a good deal. At $34 it is a crazy good deal. 
>
> https://edgevaleusa.com/collections/sale/products/elwell-chambray
>
> Sewn in the US from Japanese fabric. 
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Dan
>
> San Rafael CA
>

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