Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Steve]

John Rinker,  nice photos!I want to ride that trail !!! (or one like 
it).   Southern Arizona?

Steve (in the leafy North Carolina Appalachians)
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 7:10:17 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Love it, John! 
>
> Here's one from today. Not pictured: noxious smoky air from either 
> wildfires in Madison, VA or a tractor trailer fire on 1-95. 
>
> [image: IMG_8386.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:53:07 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Not too many colorful or falling leaves here: 
>> [image: IMG_2436.jpeg]
>> But about every 200 years, one of these guys falls over. 
>> [image: IMG_2435.jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:28:59 PM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hello JasonR,
>>>
>>> Apologies if I confused your Sam with an Atlantis. Not a bad thing I 
>>> guess:-) Must have looked at your post on my phone. Anyway, from one Sam 
>>> owner to another yours does look really sharp! Enjoy the fall riding.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 3:29 PM Jason R.  wrote:
>>>
 Eric - Nice of you to say. In addition to the little shiny sardine, 
 I've probably taken in some influence of yours somewhere along the way 
 given all your thoughtful contributions and videos. Cheers.

 And Rich - I'm unsure if there's another Atlantis'd Jason in the thread 
 here that I missed (apologies if that's the case) or if my light-blue Sam 
 came off looking sub-green from the surrounding leaves. But thanks so much 
 if your comment was meant for my Riv!

 Beautiful photos and bicycles all around on this thread.
 On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 4:08:08 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Jason R: Nice shots & Hillborne!
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:03:59 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Stephen: Two things, 1) Hi Dan! 2) Nice Stan Rays  3) Oops that's 
>> three, nice pics! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:44:33 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Joined a fun ride up the OCA trail north of NYC this past weekend. 
>>> Super nice late fall day, thanks for the intel Justin.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6202.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6206.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_113727.JPG]
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>>
 Jason, you have good looking Atlantis!

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 2:16 PM, Jason R.  
 wrote:

> A few photos from a weekend ride on the Salt Creek Trail west of 
> Chicago. Peak leaf season has passed here, but a good number of 
> sparsely 
> populated trees with leaves of varying colors keep it going.
>
> [image: R0004237.jpg]
> [image: R0004242.jpg]
> [image: R0004247.jpg]
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>
>> Hello Patrick,
>>
>> Thanks for the introduction and background regarding the Gilbert 
>> House. I had not heard of it but you always have a good story to 
>> tell and 
>> this is certainly one.
>> Here is a link to the Gilbert House:
>>
>> https://www.atlantaga.gov/government/departments/city-planning/office-of-design/urban-design-commission/jeremiah-s-gilbert-house
>>
>> Regarding the cycling environment here: I'm seeing more cyclists, 
>> many group ride opportunities, some infrastructure improvements like 
>> lanes 
>> (still not enough). The ongoing construction of the Beltline; the 
>> Path 
>> Foundation continues its efforts to expand the trail system with the 
>> goal 
>> of connecting to the Silver Comet. Unfortunately, the volume of 
>> traffic has 
>> exploded and with that speeds to match; likely the same in many 
>> large 
>> cities. However, if you know when and where to ride there are plenty 
>> of 
>> options for year round riding. Oh, and hills. Lots of those to get 
>> your 
>> heart rate up.
>>
>> I should add, if you don't mind driving an hour or two in any 
>> direction from the city there are pleasant low traffic rolling 
>> country 
>> roads like this to ride.
>> [image: IMG_0628.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_0689.jpg]
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 5:53 PM Patrick Moore  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rich: It has been decades since I was last in Atlanta, and I've 
>>> never cycled there, but I recall that, at least 20 years ago when I 
>>> last 
>>> visited my sister and bro-in-law (they took to coming out here 
>>> instead), it 
>>> did not look to be a very cycling-friendly city. I 

[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Steve]

https://redshiftsports.com/products/cruise-control-drop-bar-grips

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:31:19 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> Modemmisuser,   have you looked at the Redshift Cruise Control system for 
> drop bars? I've used the upper pads with a VO Porteur bar, so a slightly 
> different application than a drop bar, but I thought they were well made. 
> They're worth considering - link below.
>
> You might also consider reducing your reach to the bars by going to a 
> shorter stem, which would reduce the pressure on your hands. 
>
> Of course, the most budget friendly approach would be to fall in love with 
> the Albastache. Personally, ever since the B'stone XO-1, I dig the look of 
> mustache style bars with road levers.  My motto is 'comfort first and the 
> rest will follow'.
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:12:54 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Soma “three speed 2” bars are the greatest mustache ever! And they use 
>> regular brake levers, so you can toss those road levers in the rubbish. And 
>> run regular thumb shifters, and flip them over if you want. They’re great. 
>> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/moustache-ii-bar
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
>>> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
>>> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
>>> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>>>
>>> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The 
>>> drops didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my 
>>> comfort.  The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty 
>>> part of my hands behind the thumbs.
>>>
>>> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
>>> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
>>> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>>>
>>> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
>>> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
>>> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
>>> behind the thumbs.
>>>
>>> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
>>> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>>>
>>> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
>>> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>>>
>>> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
>>> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
>>> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>>>
>>> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
>>> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Steve]

Modemmisuser,   have you looked at the Redshift Cruise Control system for 
drop bars? I've used the upper pads with a VO Porteur bar, so a slightly 
different application than a drop bar, but I thought they were well made. 
They're worth considering - link below.

You might also consider reducing your reach to the bars by going to a 
shorter stem, which would reduce the pressure on your hands. 

Of course, the most budget friendly approach would be to fall in love with 
the Albastache. Personally, ever since the B'stone XO-1, I dig the look of 
mustache style bars with road levers.  My motto is 'comfort first and the 
rest will follow'.
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:12:54 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

>
> Soma “three speed 2” bars are the greatest mustache ever! And they use 
> regular brake levers, so you can toss those road levers in the rubbish. And 
> run regular thumb shifters, and flip them over if you want. They’re great. 
> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/moustache-ii-bar
> -Kai
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
>> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
>> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
>> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>>
>> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
>> didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
>> The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
>> hands behind the thumbs.
>>
>> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
>> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
>> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>>
>> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
>> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
>> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
>> behind the thumbs.
>>
>> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
>> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>>
>> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
>> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>>
>> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
>> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
>> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>>
>> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
>> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compliments

[WilletM]

This wasn't a Riv compliment, as it happened thirty years ago when my 
acquisition budget was somewhat smaller than it is currently.  But it has 
stuck with me and made me smile for all the years since.

Riding down the road in Lincoln, NE, on my recently acquired Eisentraut 
custom road bike that had been ordered (not by me) with a swirly pink paint 
job that was right out of this year's Barbie movie starring Margot Robbie, 
I heard a voice shout out "nice bike!" from the direction of a corner 
gas station/convenience store.  Thinking that it must be a true aficionado 
who knew of Albert's work and appreciated the thinly-filed lugs and Excell 
tubing, I looked back over my shoulder eagerly to see if it might be 
someone I knew from a local bike shop.  And I saw, standing there with a 
big smile on her face, an 8- or 9-year-old girl who apparently just REALLY 
liked that shade of pink.

Willet M.

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:32:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I often get compliments on my best Rivendells and copies; I say "best" 
> because these are the ones that I build with the nicest -- shiny silver -- 
> parts and keep the cleanest. I got more compliments for my customs than for 
> my Sam or Ram.
>
> Someone said that compliments make him uncomfortable. They don't make me 
> uncomfortable, but I admit that, when I'm in a hurry, as when in a store, I 
> am sometimes not eager for extended conversations, but I am always pleased 
> to hear compliments. People usually assume that the bikes are old and I 
> also admit to a bit of glee when I answer the question, "So, how old is 
> it?" by saying "25 years next year; it was delivered in April 1999" or 
> "Summer 2020."
>
> OTOH, a few years ago I had a rather lame-brained roadie youngster (late 
> 30-something twit!) yell out, "Old steelie! It's an old steelie" That 
> didn't make me so much uncomfortable as annoyed -- the bike was either the 
> 2003 Riv road custom or the 2020 Matthews copy. I did my best to put him 
> down.
>
> I enjoy bike compliments all the more in that my old steelies are 
> generally odd: fixed gear, hub gear, or 50 or 60 mm tires with drops and 
> fenders and rack and road derailleurs and near-corncob cassette.
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 1:20 PM J S  wrote:
>
>> I live in the northeast and after all of these years only had one person 
>> say nice bike. Not sure if it was the Hillborne or the Saluki. This person 
>> did not know it was a rivendell, they were not riding but walking at the 
>> time. Of course there are less Rivs here than in the Bay Area. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our Rivendell 
>>> bikes is that they get compliments.
>>>
>>> I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
>>> For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as 
>>> they called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow 
>>> riders.
>>> Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say - 
>>> Sage Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously hitting 
>>> the trail for exercise.
>>>
>>> Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying 
>>> “Nice bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not 
>>> tough to pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It 
>>> surprises me.
>>>
>>> A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a hard 
>>> leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon 
>>> Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips.  
>>> Maybe he was a fly fisherman?
>>>
>>> It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also 
>>> stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride it 
>>> (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many bikes…”)
>>> It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, and 
>>> on her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came home with 
>>> smiles.
>>>
>>> Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about the 
>>> compliments you get.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Is that Llambo’s cheviot? It is lovely 殺 
-Kai

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:53:30 PM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I know that bike!  Well loved and well riden with a great owner
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:15:15 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> I think I recognize that bike. Orange Cheviot in Brooklyn? See him around 
>> from time to time. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:10:33 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_6778_Original.jpeg]Here’s a candidate for beausage of the 
>>> month…
>>> Not for sale as far as I know, so the wrong post, but with all the talk 
>>> of tough lockups, this one stood out to me.
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 2:03:50 PM UTC-5 ericf3 wrote:
>>>
 "Who are you going to believe?? Me, or your own eyes??"  -Groucho



 On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:01, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Yeah it's the seller description that annoys me, I don't appreciate 
> being told my eyes don't see what I'm clearly seeing. This happens a lot 
> on 
> Craigslist. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:26:10 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>
>> That's some harsh beausage or what the owner calls "regular scuffs". 
>> YMMV I guess.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 11:02 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> 52cm CLEM "L"
>>>
>>> This one has been abused. I have never seen a Rivendell bicycle with 
>>> so many scratches. YIKES !
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-52cm/7686881119.html
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:40:56 AM UTC-8 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 Good catch, Reeb! Seemed too good to be true, I deleted my post :o) 

 On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:54:21 PM UTC-5 Ryan Ray wrote:

> Here is my Bleriot for sale on CL in Seattle or I will pay my LBS 
> 150 bucks to box it up right. I bought a bigger Homer instead!
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7683878809.html
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-8 reeb wrote:
>
>> could be a scam. same photos from a chicago seller: 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155871116274?hash=item244aa47bf2:g:Gg4AAOSwQglk~fZ4
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:41:01 PM UTC-5 
>> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-09 at 4.32.02 PM copy.jpg]
>>>
>>> Clem H
>>> 52cm
>>> $741
>>> New Jersey
>>> https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m80573702381
>>>
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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Soma “three speed 2” bars are the greatest mustache ever! And they use 
regular brake levers, so you can toss those road levers in the rubbish. And 
run regular thumb shifters, and flip them over if you want. They’re great. 
https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/moustache-ii-bar
-Kai

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>
> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
> didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
> The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
> hands behind the thumbs.
>
> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>
> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
> behind the thumbs.
>
> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>
> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>
> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>
> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Roadini F/F - Dark Gold

[Johnny Alien]

Sadly I am in the same position. So if you have been eying up a roadini in 
this size then I've got the deal for you and you would be helping me out 
immensely. Brand new frame, never built up or ridden. Comes with the stuff 
in the previous post plus a brand new set of Tektro sidepulls.

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:48:41 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I was hoping to maybe be able to hold onto this but it looks like thats 
> not the best path for me right now. No parts left but it will still come 
> with the stock seatpost, the 113 bottom bracket installed, and the extra 
> 110 bottom bracket. Brand new with no issues. I could do *$1000 shipped.*
>
> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 2:50:02 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Will do! The XTR stuff and crankset was claimed but I can post some 
>> photos of the stem and bars and such. I should mention that I will include 
>> Tektro long reach brakes with the frame as well cable stops for the shifter 
>> mounts. The Tektros look new to me. I think I got them from someone here.
>>
>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 2:08:58 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I highly recommend posting photos or a link to same. Someone will snap 
>>> this up once they see it*
>>>
>>> *Someone like me if it was 6-or-so months from now. I don't quite have 
>>> the funds at the moment. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:36:01 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I have parts that I will be selling if you want anything included. I 
 have a Blue Lug power quill stem, wavie bars, xtr rapid rise rd (the gray 
 one from the 90's), matching xtr FD, and a SPA (unbranded Sugino XD2) c165 
 crankset.  Feel free to hit me up for the frame, parts, package deal, etc. 
 Anything will be help. Thanks!

 On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Sadly a family issue with my parents' health has popped up and I won't 
> have time or money to do anything bike build related for quite some time. 
> I 
> just got this frame and was planning on a fall project but as noted above 
> its not happening. This had some parts installed but is pretty much just 
> as 
> it came from Rivendell. Never got to a point far enough to get any dings 
> or 
> marks or anything. The fork is installed and the kalloy seatpost will of 
> course be included. The one thing I did do so far is swap the bottom 
> bracket from a 110 to a 113 so it would work better with a triple (or 
> wide 
> range triple with a guard). I will include the 110 BB that came with it. 
> These cost around $1400 to get shipped to you from Rivendell. I will sell 
> this one for $1100 shipped anywhere in the USA. I really hate to do this 
> but hopefully someone here can help me out and also get a great looking 
> bike.



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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Mackenzy Albright]

I second the Choco-Moose bars! They're everything I wanted the RM-016 
moustache / albastache bars to be. There is a lot of real-estate. Great 
control from the grips - nice position in the hook - and everything in 
between. Plus I'd say they look pretty darn good. 

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:44:39 PM UTC-8 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I find the Choco bar mounted upside-down (as in the moose version on my 
> Hunq) is a great road bar replacement.  I have a modern indexed 10-speed 
> shifter on the right and a SunTour wishbone shifter on the left, under the 
> bar -  really great for this application.  The moose version of the Choco 
> is great for trail rides - no slippage!  Also fun to show off the 
> Fairweather Ongr bag that I finally found to fill the triangle ;)
>
> [image: PXL_20231025_200507783.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:31:10 AM UTC-5 chefd...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> For sure, a drop bar looks great, and as others have already pointed out, 
>> there are several drop bar variations out there besides the Noodle...I've 
>> been curious about the Origin8 Tiki Bar, for example. I'm just now looking 
>> to offload a Roadini that is fit with Noodles and brifters, and I have to 
>> say that while the combination is fun,  I also get sore hands fairly 
>> quickly - say by mile 15.  I've got an Albastache bar on my XO-3, and am 
>> quite happy with that for my around-town riding and daily commute. I'm also 
>> fully behind the idea of saving $, so intra-list sales and swaps, CL and 
>> Facebook marketplace are my main source of parts. 
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:17:20 AM UTC-8 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eh, I'm really thinking of going back to a drop bar of some sort - 
>>> there's 1000 of them out there, and it seems ones with shallower 
>>> drops and mid to high flare are going to make the drops usable.  And I 
>>> probably want something with a longer ramp for even more position 
>>> variability.  There are just. so. many. bars. now.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I love handlebar discussions. I am a pretty big fan of the Albastache 
 bars and generally have moved to them in instances where I would normally 
 use drops. Similar to you I don't really ride in the drops so Noodles just 
 don't have the same amount of options. That said I also love the look and 
 traditional feel of drops. I plan to try out the Blue Lug specific variant 
 of the Noodles. They are the same bar but with shallower drops and less 
 reach. It seems like that could be perfect and make riding in the drops 
 more accessible. As far as anything that would keep you with road levers 
 for brifters thats about the only options. Albastache bars are clunky set 
 up that way because of the way you need to throw the lever to shift. I 
 have 
 only held off trying the BL bars because I am waiting for a stem I want to 
 come in so that shipping makes more sense.

 Now if you do want to move toward a thumb shifter route for road bikes 
 I cannot recommend the Losco bars enough. So good for a sweptback road 
 experience.

 On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>
> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The 
> drops didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my 
> comfort.  The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty 
> part of my hands behind the thumbs.
>
> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>
> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
> behind the thumbs.
>
> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>
> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>
> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others 
> around here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop 
> and 
> we've added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>
> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots 

Re: [RBW] FS: Brooks All Terrain saddle, Technomic 50cm stem, Carradice saddlebag

[Bryan Dalik]

*Technomic Stem SOLD*

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 8:45:58 PM UTC-5 Bryan Dalik wrote:

>
> *SADDLEBAG SOLD.*
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 8:41:45 PM UTC-5 Bryan Dalik wrote:
>
>> Apparently it's an Adam Saddlebag by Rivendell from the Cartwright 
>> series. Price still applies, it's got some life left!
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 8:35:29 PM UTC-5 jbu...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> re: the Brooks ATB, 
>>>
>>> how squeaky is it? I've had a couple, love them EXCEPT for the 
>>> creaky-creaky-creak. 
>>>
>>> I have to wonder, are mine in too used of a condition? Is it just me? 
>>> Would a better one (as yours) be silent? 
>>>
>>> Thanks 
>>> Joe 
>>>
>>> On 11/15/23, Bryan Dalik  wrote: 
>>> > Hi All, 
>>> > 
>>> > Selling the following: 
>>> > 
>>> > Brooks All Terrain Sprung saddle - In good shape, a couple of nicks in 
>>> the 
>>> > leather but I conditioned it with Brooks proofide and it's super 
>>> comfy, 
>>> > just not for me. *90$ shipped* 
>>> > 
>>> > Carradice saddle bag - It's in rough shape, but still perfectly 
>>> useable. 
>>> > This one would need some new straps (can use Voile) for attaching to 
>>> bike. 
>>> > Has a piece of coroplast in there for structure. *30$ shipped* 
>>> > 
>>> > Nitto technomic 50mm stem - Really good shape, this would be great on 
>>> your 
>>> > drop bar bike for a very comfortable ride. 26.0 clamp. *35$ shipped* 
>>> > 
>>> > *LINK TO PHOTOS* 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12hLk-ryIn8ifE0XpKAwDkyLBu4tzCF8X?usp=drive_link
>>>  
>>> > 
>>> > Thanks! 
>>> > Bryan 
>>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compliments

[Patrick Moore]

I often get compliments on my best Rivendells and copies; I say "best"
because these are the ones that I build with the nicest -- shiny silver --
parts and keep the cleanest. I got more compliments for my customs than for
my Sam or Ram.

Someone said that compliments make him uncomfortable. They don't make me
uncomfortable, but I admit that, when I'm in a hurry, as when in a store, I
am sometimes not eager for extended conversations, but I am always pleased
to hear compliments. People usually assume that the bikes are old and I
also admit to a bit of glee when I answer the question, "So, how old is
it?" by saying "25 years next year; it was delivered in April 1999" or
"Summer 2020."

OTOH, a few years ago I had a rather lame-brained roadie youngster (late
30-something twit!) yell out, "Old steelie! It's an old steelie" That
didn't make me so much uncomfortable as annoyed -- the bike was either the
2003 Riv road custom or the 2020 Matthews copy. I did my best to put him
down.

I enjoy bike compliments all the more in that my old steelies are generally
odd: fixed gear, hub gear, or 50 or 60 mm tires with drops and fenders and
rack and road derailleurs and near-corncob cassette.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 1:20 PM J S  wrote:

> I live in the northeast and after all of these years only had one person
> say nice bike. Not sure if it was the Hillborne or the Saluki. This person
> did not know it was a rivendell, they were not riding but walking at the
> time. Of course there are less Rivs here than in the Bay Area.
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our Rivendell
>> bikes is that they get compliments.
>>
>> I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.
>> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
>> For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as they
>> called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow riders.
>> Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say -
>> Sage Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously hitting
>> the trail for exercise.
>>
>> Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying
>> “Nice bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not
>> tough to pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It
>> surprises me.
>>
>> A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a hard
>> leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon
>> Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips.
>> Maybe he was a fly fisherman?
>>
>> It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also
>> stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride it
>> (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many bikes…”)
>> It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, and on
>> her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came home with
>> smiles.
>>
>> Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about the
>> compliments you get.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problem solvers front cable hanger?

[Patrick Moore]

One factor in reducing front brake cable friction is a gradual, "natural"
bend in the housing between its exit from the bar tape (aero levers, of
course) and where it meets the stop. If your stem is high so that the
housing leaves the bar tape (I'm assuming you use aero levers) far above
the housing stop then I expect that a hanger with the angled noodle can
actually make the bend tighter and less efficient for cable travel.

Because my errand road bike (2020 Matthews custom) has a high stack --
upsloping tt and extended steerer and head -- the stem and therefore the
bar is positioned relatively low above the headset. When I built the bike I
installed a very nice, stiff, steel Shimano hanger but it has only about 1
cm of drop. Together with the close bar the housing has to bend tightly
when it exits the tape to meet the hanger. In this case, the angled noodle
on the PS hanger would allow a more gradual bend.

I recently bought a Rene Herse cable housing hanger, paying $59 because no
one else offers a stiff, silver, steerer-mount housing hanger with a deep
drop. While the Shimano hanger drops 1 cm, the RH drops fully 3.5 cm and
will allow a much more "natural" bend.

I have to confess that the tight bend with the short Shimano hanger hasn't
caused a great deal of cable friction, but there's room for improvement,
and since this is a "nice" bike I want to reduce it to the minimum
possible. The longer RH hanger will do that. It also makes the housing bend
look nicer.

Tektro offers a deep-drop hanger for about $13 but that one is quill
mounted so that you lose a cm of drop because it is clamped above headset
locknut and a thin spacer. Of course, the PS hanger not only clamps to the
quill but it's about a cm shorter than the Tektro and RH hangers.


On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 10:05:03 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
> Hi all,

> Does anyone have experience with the problem solvers front cable hanger?
The one with a built-in "cable noodle"?

> I had an LBS install Paul racers on my hillborne and they used one of
these. Changing the brake cables this week, I realized what an odd setup
the cable noodle thing is, it puts a 45ish degree bend in the cable for no
real reason. I'm > thinking that I should change the setup, any
recommendations? Or is this not an issue?

> When I changed the cable, the little plastic sleeve inside the cable
noodle was cracked. Seems like a potential issue for no real purpose that I
can see. Unfortunately there isn't an actual cable stop built into the
hanger, so I think the > whole setup may need to be changed.

> Thoughts, advice?

> Here's the part:

>
https://www.thebikerschoice.com/product/problem-solvers-clamp-on-cable-hanger-182078-1.htm?variations=926322,926354?utm_source=google%20shopping_medium=organic_id=18999470602_id===m=CjwKCAiA9dGqBhAqEiwAmRpTCxJ5qK9TD6hipo0RYCdZIeE5F_M3FbHVnzmIbVVSUoKWshTJSoWaCRoCHJMQAvD_BwE

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[RBW] Re: FS: Arkel TailRider Trunk Bag Black

[eddietheflay]

$75

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:32:39 PM UTC-8 eddietheflay wrote:

> offers considered.
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 5:26:52 PM UTC-8 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> This is fine rear rack-mounted bag with lots o room and pockets and an 
>> included rain cover. Used just a few times and in fine condition.
>>
>> Like this:
>> https://www.modernbike.com/arkel-tai...runk-bag-black 
>> 
>>
>> Review:
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=Arke...DQNVX1vSs,st:0 
>> 
>>
>> $100 net to me gets it shipped to you.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Compliments

[J S]

I live in the northeast and after all of these years only had one person 
say nice bike. Not sure if it was the Hillborne or the Saluki. This person 
did not know it was a rivendell, they were not riding but walking at the 
time. Of course there are less Rivs here than in the Bay Area. 

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our Rivendell 
> bikes is that they get compliments.
>
> I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
> For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as they 
> called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow riders.
> Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say - Sage 
> Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously hitting the 
> trail for exercise.
>
> Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying “Nice 
> bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not tough to 
> pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It surprises me.
>
> A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a hard 
> leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon 
> Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips. 
>  Maybe he was a fly fisherman?
>
> It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also 
> stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride it 
> (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many bikes…”)
> It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, and on 
> her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came home with 
> smiles.
>
> Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about the 
> compliments you get.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compliments

[Bob Warner]

I often chuckle when people comment on my Rodeo and Hillborne and make reference of asking how old my bikes are. They instinctively think that they are vintage old bikes, and are surprised when I let them know, they’re relatively new!Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 16, 2023, at 1:55 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:Indeed. Rode along with the SLO bike club one day on my Roadeo (white with blue head tube) with my Sunday riding buddy. A few folks were asking about it, one rider even took some photos. Other comments from strangers have been, "its vintage, how old is it?" or "you have a triple chainring, haven't seen that in a long time." Its nothing special, but it does get attention fur sure. Mike SLO CA On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:36:06 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:Thanks rich...can't bring myself to sell them yet even though I haven't been riding them as muchOn Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:Hey Ryan, nice bikes. Very nice!!!Best,Rich in ATLOn Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:04:36 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:I always admired that bike, jock these 2 always get complimentsOn Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:30:09 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:Y'all, I'm a GA southerner recently displaced in NorCAL and I get tagged for comments damn near every time out it seems. The locals are pretty much dialed in, even folks you'd never guess be interested. I'm guessing the color or the mudguards is the attraction...but the comments aren't so unusual as the recognition as Rivendell. Many say 'ooo, nice Riv." That definitely never happened before. JockOn Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 5:47 AM Nick A.  wrote:I've been lucky enough here in the D.C. area to receive a number of compliments for my Atlantis while out and about. Notably, many of the complimenters are gentleman older than I that always wanted a Riv but for whatever reason never pulled the trigger. Or, have never seen them in real life. They ask if it was worth it, and I say "yes" without hesitation. On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:08 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:My orange Rambouillet draws unsolicited compliments often. When riding The Five Boro Ride in NYC a few years ago my wife was impressed by the number of strangers who pulled alongside, took a long look at my bike and either gave silent thumbs up or gave compliment to it. She noticed the relative anonymity of all the CFRP bikes and how their riders looked dejected when positive comments on my bike came. Near the Verrazano Narrows Bridge she said "It's like we've been riding with 30,000 of your friends."Andy CheathamPittsburghOn Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our Rivendell bikes is that they get compliments.I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkAFor 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as they called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow riders.Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say - Sage Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously hitting the trail for exercise.Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying “Nice bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not tough to pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It surprises me.A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a hard leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips.  Maybe he was a fly fisherman?It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride it (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many bikes…”)It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, and on her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came home with smiles.Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about the compliments you get.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Compliments

[Greg J]

It's actually a big downside for me.  As someone who is generally 
uncomfortable with compliments, I find myself choosing not to ride my Riv 
as much because of the attention it gets.  My other, 
equally-attention-worthy bikes (vintage Ritchey, Eisentraut, Gordon) never 
elicit the level of attention that the Riv does.



On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:55:11 AM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Indeed. Rode along with the SLO bike club one day on my Roadeo (white with 
> blue head tube) with my Sunday riding buddy. A few folks were asking about 
> it, one rider even took some photos. Other comments from strangers have 
> been, "its vintage, how old is it?" or "you have a triple chainring, 
> haven't seen that in a long time." 
>
> Its nothing special, but it does get attention fur sure. 
>
> Mike SLO CA 
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:36:06 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Thanks rich...can't bring myself to sell them yet even though I haven't 
>> been riding them as much
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Ryan, nice bikes. Very nice!!!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:04:36 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 I always admired that bike, jock 

 these 2 always get compliments[image: 20230728_130429.jpg]
 On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:30:09 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> Y'all, I'm a GA southerner recently displaced in NorCAL and I get 
> tagged for comments damn near every time out it seems. The locals are 
> pretty much dialed in, even folks you'd never guess be interested. 
>
> I'm guessing the color or the mudguards is the attraction...but the 
> comments aren't so unusual as the recognition as Rivendell. Many say 
> 'ooo, 
> nice Riv." That definitely never happened before. 
>
> Jock
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-16 at 6.17.45 AM.png]
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 5:47 AM Nick A.  wrote:
>
>> I've been lucky enough here in the D.C. area to receive a number of 
>> compliments for my Atlantis while out and about. Notably, many of the 
>> complimenters are gentleman older than I that always wanted a Riv but 
>> for 
>> whatever reason never pulled the trigger. Or, have never seen them in 
>> real 
>> life. They ask if it was worth it, and I say "yes" without hesitation. 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:08 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> My orange Rambouillet draws unsolicited compliments often. When 
>>> riding The Five Boro Ride in NYC a few years ago my wife was impressed 
>>> by 
>>> the number of strangers who pulled alongside, took a long look at my 
>>> bike 
>>> and either gave silent thumbs up or gave compliment to it. She noticed 
>>> the 
>>> relative anonymity of all the CFRP bikes and how their riders looked 
>>> dejected when positive comments on my bike came. Near the Verrazano 
>>> Narrows 
>>> Bridge she said "It's like we've been riding with 30,000 of your 
>>> friends."
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our 
 Rivendell bikes is that they get compliments.

 I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
 https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
 For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike 
 (as they called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from 
 fellow 
 riders.
 Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say 
 - Sage Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously 
 hitting the trail for exercise.

 Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and 
 saying “Nice bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so 
 it’s 
 not tough to pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year. 
  It 
 surprises me.

 A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a 
 hard leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their 
 carbon 
 Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips.  
 Maybe he was a fly fisherman?

 It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys 
 also stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to 
 ride 
 it (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many 
 bikes…”)
 It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, 
 and on her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came 
 home 
 with smiles.

 Does this happen to you when you ride your 

Re: [RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Oh yes, component specs can also certainly play a factor for anyone wishing 
to adapt things further as the kids grow.  Our REI balance bike frame takes 
a 27.2 seatpost and 1" threaded headset with very short quill stem with 
narrow diameter bar clamp (maybe 22.2 but haven't put calipers to it.) The 
Trek Precaliber takes a 22.2 seatpost, and has a 1" threadless headset and 
stem (I think 25.4 bar clamp but need to double check.)  I figured I could 
find other 22.2 bmx seatposts but guessing my options may still be 
limited.  If it were 27.2 spec instead the post would have likely already 
been swapped with something from the parts box.

This reminds me the convertible balance bike (the one we looked at that 
could convert to a pedal bike) was in fact a newer model Giant Pre as I now 
recall they had an older floor model Giant Pre with some kind of 
proprietary, integrated quill stem/bar/headset with no exposed bolts 
(BULLMOOSE!) as well as hidden bolt wheel axle attachments giving it a very 
seamless look and snag free features vs. the newer model with 1-1/8" 
threadless headset, bottom bracket shell with foot rest insert, threaded 
rear hub for a single speed freewheel (and guessing it was either a coaster 
brake hub or frame drilled for caliper brakes but can no longer remember.)  
Anyway, it was just amusing at how different the same bike models actually 
were just a year or two apart, not just in spec but also in overall design 
and fit.

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 1:37:03 PM UTC-5 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:

> My just-turned-four-year-old has only been interested in the small balance 
> bike for a month or two, but now he's advanced to zipping around quite 
> quickly and easily. 
>
> So, I started looking into Wooms and Clearys here in the Los Angeles area. 
> A shop advised me that while the Wooms are lighter and have lower standover 
> height, the Clearys use a standard threadless stem, so you can replace the 
> stem as the kid grows to get a bit more time out of the frame. Haven't 
> tried it myself, but an interesting thought! We have another kid on the 
> way, so I may just go for a used Woom 3 and hold onto it for the younger 
> one.
>
> Great to read all the helpful advice here! I really appreciate it.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:59:54 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>> Oh, one other benefit of some local shops is they sometimes have a 
>>> guaranteed trade in program for sizing up.  I actually think that is an 
>>> option for our Trek if we wanted to trade in for a bigger size with a 
>>> credit applied.  I still need to look into that as I forget if it was 
>>> something with the shop and the Trek we actually bought or another 
>>> dealer/brand.  We have some younger cousins so have been handing down much 
>>> of our outgrown stuff rather than reselling but will need to see what our 
>>> trade in options are for the 16" bike before making any final decisions 
>>> since it may end up making more sense to trade up vs. swapping components 
>>> and keeping it but will see how the fit is come spring and how much 
>>> adjusting is needed.
>>>
>>> Woom also has an upcycling option: 
>> https://woom.com/en_US/products/upcycling-membership?variant
>>
>> Since we have 2 kids we never made use of it (kid brother got a hand me 
>> down Woom).
>>
>>  I'm not sure the upcycling program makes sense since as someone else 
>> said, selling the bike used locally nets you north of 50% usually. We had 
>> someone drive down from San Francisco just to pick up our used Woom 4 off. 
>> Kids bikes that are actually used for real mountain biking actually don't 
>> wear very much. While I've had to replace chains on the smaller woom 2 and 
>> 3, I discovered that the 4 and 5 just don't seem to wear stuff out as 
>> quickly. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compliments

[Mike Godwin]

Indeed. Rode along with the SLO bike club one day on my Roadeo (white with 
blue head tube) with my Sunday riding buddy. A few folks were asking about 
it, one rider even took some photos. Other comments from strangers have 
been, "its vintage, how old is it?" or "you have a triple chainring, 
haven't seen that in a long time." 

Its nothing special, but it does get attention fur sure. 

Mike SLO CA 
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:36:06 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Thanks rich...can't bring myself to sell them yet even though I haven't 
> been riding them as much
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>
>> Hey Ryan, nice bikes. Very nice!!!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:04:36 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> I always admired that bike, jock 
>>>
>>> these 2 always get compliments[image: 20230728_130429.jpg]
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:30:09 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 Y'all, I'm a GA southerner recently displaced in NorCAL and I get 
 tagged for comments damn near every time out it seems. The locals are 
 pretty much dialed in, even folks you'd never guess be interested. 

 I'm guessing the color or the mudguards is the attraction...but the 
 comments aren't so unusual as the recognition as Rivendell. Many say 'ooo, 
 nice Riv." That definitely never happened before. 

 Jock

 [image: Screenshot 2023-11-16 at 6.17.45 AM.png]

 On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 5:47 AM Nick A.  wrote:

> I've been lucky enough here in the D.C. area to receive a number of 
> compliments for my Atlantis while out and about. Notably, many of the 
> complimenters are gentleman older than I that always wanted a Riv but for 
> whatever reason never pulled the trigger. Or, have never seen them in 
> real 
> life. They ask if it was worth it, and I say "yes" without hesitation. 
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:08 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> My orange Rambouillet draws unsolicited compliments often. When 
>> riding The Five Boro Ride in NYC a few years ago my wife was impressed 
>> by 
>> the number of strangers who pulled alongside, took a long look at my 
>> bike 
>> and either gave silent thumbs up or gave compliment to it. She noticed 
>> the 
>> relative anonymity of all the CFRP bikes and how their riders looked 
>> dejected when positive comments on my bike came. Near the Verrazano 
>> Narrows 
>> Bridge she said "It's like we've been riding with 30,000 of your 
>> friends."
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our 
>>> Rivendell bikes is that they get compliments.
>>>
>>> I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
>>> For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as 
>>> they called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow 
>>> riders.
>>> Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say 
>>> - Sage Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously 
>>> hitting the trail for exercise.
>>>
>>> Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying 
>>> “Nice bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not 
>>> tough to pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It 
>>> surprises me.
>>>
>>> A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a 
>>> hard leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon 
>>> Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips.  
>>> Maybe he was a fly fisherman?
>>>
>>> It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also 
>>> stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride 
>>> it 
>>> (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many 
>>> bikes…”)
>>> It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, 
>>> and on her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came 
>>> home 
>>> with smiles.
>>>
>>> Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about 
>>> the compliments you get.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[Kevin M]

I recently bought a Woom 2 for our son for his 3rd birthday in September. 
Our kid is tall for his age (98th percentile), but he still couldn't fit 
comfortably on our spare 16" Cleary Hedgehog. Didn't stop him from trying 
tho! My impression is that the Woom is a little more upright, better 
specced, and of course much lighter than the Cleary. I don't think our 
Cleary uses a standard stem, so watch out for that if you're in the used 
market. They must have changed the spec at some point. 

I think we paid $250 for the Woom 2 used, and I'm sure we'll be able to 
sell it for around the same price so I'm not stressed about him outgrowing 
it by the Spring. Having him start on a smaller bike was super helpful, as 
he treated it like a balance bike for the first couple weeks until he 
caught on. Our kid is is pretty daring, so he's been riding his Woom 2 on 
mtb trails, paved pump tracks and even rolling over the beginner green jump 
lines, much to my worriment. I bought him a full set of Fox PeeWee 
knee/elbow pads, and they've come in handy many times. 
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:59:54 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>> Oh, one other benefit of some local shops is they sometimes have a 
>> guaranteed trade in program for sizing up.  I actually think that is an 
>> option for our Trek if we wanted to trade in for a bigger size with a 
>> credit applied.  I still need to look into that as I forget if it was 
>> something with the shop and the Trek we actually bought or another 
>> dealer/brand.  We have some younger cousins so have been handing down much 
>> of our outgrown stuff rather than reselling but will need to see what our 
>> trade in options are for the 16" bike before making any final decisions 
>> since it may end up making more sense to trade up vs. swapping components 
>> and keeping it but will see how the fit is come spring and how much 
>> adjusting is needed.
>>
>> Woom also has an upcycling option: 
> https://woom.com/en_US/products/upcycling-membership?variant
>
> Since we have 2 kids we never made use of it (kid brother got a hand me 
> down Woom).
>
>  I'm not sure the upcycling program makes sense since as someone else 
> said, selling the bike used locally nets you north of 50% usually. We had 
> someone drive down from San Francisco just to pick up our used Woom 4 off. 
> Kids bikes that are actually used for real mountain biking actually don't 
> wear very much. While I've had to replace chains on the smaller woom 2 and 
> 3, I discovered that the 4 and 5 just don't seem to wear stuff out as 
> quickly. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[Bryce Dwyer]

My just-turned-four-year-old has only been interested in the small balance 
bike for a month or two, but now he's advanced to zipping around quite 
quickly and easily. 

So, I started looking into Wooms and Clearys here in the Los Angeles area. 
A shop advised me that while the Wooms are lighter and have lower standover 
height, the Clearys use a standard threadless stem, so you can replace the 
stem as the kid grows to get a bit more time out of the frame. Haven't 
tried it myself, but an interesting thought! We have another kid on the 
way, so I may just go for a used Woom 3 and hold onto it for the younger 
one.

Great to read all the helpful advice here! I really appreciate it.





On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:59:54 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>> Oh, one other benefit of some local shops is they sometimes have a 
>> guaranteed trade in program for sizing up.  I actually think that is an 
>> option for our Trek if we wanted to trade in for a bigger size with a 
>> credit applied.  I still need to look into that as I forget if it was 
>> something with the shop and the Trek we actually bought or another 
>> dealer/brand.  We have some younger cousins so have been handing down much 
>> of our outgrown stuff rather than reselling but will need to see what our 
>> trade in options are for the 16" bike before making any final decisions 
>> since it may end up making more sense to trade up vs. swapping components 
>> and keeping it but will see how the fit is come spring and how much 
>> adjusting is needed.
>>
>> Woom also has an upcycling option: 
> https://woom.com/en_US/products/upcycling-membership?variant
>
> Since we have 2 kids we never made use of it (kid brother got a hand me 
> down Woom).
>
>  I'm not sure the upcycling program makes sense since as someone else 
> said, selling the bike used locally nets you north of 50% usually. We had 
> someone drive down from San Francisco just to pick up our used Woom 4 off. 
> Kids bikes that are actually used for real mountain biking actually don't 
> wear very much. While I've had to replace chains on the smaller woom 2 and 
> 3, I discovered that the 4 and 5 just don't seem to wear stuff out as 
> quickly. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[藍俊彪]

>
> Oh, one other benefit of some local shops is they sometimes have a
> guaranteed trade in program for sizing up.  I actually think that is an
> option for our Trek if we wanted to trade in for a bigger size with a
> credit applied.  I still need to look into that as I forget if it was
> something with the shop and the Trek we actually bought or another
> dealer/brand.  We have some younger cousins so have been handing down much
> of our outgrown stuff rather than reselling but will need to see what our
> trade in options are for the 16" bike before making any final decisions
> since it may end up making more sense to trade up vs. swapping components
> and keeping it but will see how the fit is come spring and how much
> adjusting is needed.
>
> Woom also has an upcycling option:
https://woom.com/en_US/products/upcycling-membership?variant

Since we have 2 kids we never made use of it (kid brother got a hand me
down Woom).

 I'm not sure the upcycling program makes sense since as someone else said,
selling the bike used locally nets you north of 50% usually. We had someone
drive down from San Francisco just to pick up our used Woom 4 off. Kids
bikes that are actually used for real mountain biking actually don't wear
very much. While I've had to replace chains on the smaller woom 2 and 3, I
discovered that the 4 and 5 just don't seem to wear stuff out as quickly.

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[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

We went from a 12" balance to 16" pedal and that transition worked out well 
with one caveat - we used both simultaneously.  I'd 100% agree with your 
concern with quickly outgrowing a 14" as the seatpost is already maxed out 
for our 6+yr old on our Trek Precaliber 16.  I'd suggest checking out some 
available options at local shops, if possible... not to sway you from 
ordering a Woom but even with picking out a balance bike I found it helpful 
seeing them up close in store, even if just to help eliminate some options 
and better inform your choices.  One local shop had a couple balance bikes 
and one (Giant Pre, I think?) had a nice option to allow conversion to a 
pedal bike with a foot rest insert for a standard threaded bottom bracket 
shell in balance mode, which could then be swapped out for cranks and a 
rear hub threaded for a single freewheel.  I was initially drawn to this 
option as a bike tinkerer but the frame design had a higher top tube than 
some other 12" purpose built balance options and made it difficult for our 
then 2-3yr old to even straddle the frame.  We ended up with an REI balance 
bike that had a better fit range for the earlier years but that lacked any 
of those pedal add on options.  It continued to work with maxed out 
seatpost and stem until nearly 6yr!  

Our progression was interesting in that our kiddo kind of lost interest in 
the balance bike early on then later took a strong interest in it again 
AFTER we got the bigger 16" pedal bike and right before we were thinking it 
might be time to hand it down to a younger cousin.  So we ended up 
alternating between the balance bike and pedal bike with training wheels 
and quickly progressed to learning to ride this past spring with both 
options available at once.  I think after feeling the limitations of 
steering the  training wheeled pedal bike vs. the more nimble balance bike 
and wanting to ride on our local gravel paths it sparked more of desire to 
learn.  The Trek is also on the heavier side for such a small bike but 
haven't actually weighed it compared to other options in the size range.  
We chose the Trek more or less based on local availability, fit with the 
step through sloping tubes, and of course COLOR to accommodate a specific 
favorite color request!   The Trek comes with widely spaced 2" knobbies 
which I knew would work well on our local trails.  I do like how Woom 
offers the hand brakes with kid sized levers to get them learning that 
early on but with our flat trails and paths the coaster brake has been 
fine.  We were also fortunate to acquire a used tag-along tandem attachment 
to use with one of my own bikes at the same time as we still had the 
balance bike and 16" pedal bike and I think that combination of revisiting 
the balance bike while learning to pedal on both the 20" wheeled tandem 
attachment and 16" pedal bike all played a factor in building the 
confidence to lead up to ditching the training wheels altogether on the 16" 
bike.  It may have been overkill to have all 3 available at once but 
ultimately it gave our child options and to Awentzell's point, it allowed 
the whole experience to remain fun and fluid and to build confidence at 
their own pace.  It also helped mix things up for all of us between longer 
family rides with the tandem attachment vs. short loops with us walking 
along vs. just striding along inside or outside on the balance bike. 

Oh, one other benefit of some local shops is they sometimes have a 
guaranteed trade in program for sizing up.  I actually think that is an 
option for our Trek if we wanted to trade in for a bigger size with a 
credit applied.  I still need to look into that as I forget if it was 
something with the shop and the Trek we actually bought or another 
dealer/brand.  We have some younger cousins so have been handing down much 
of our outgrown stuff rather than reselling but will need to see what our 
trade in options are for the 16" bike before making any final decisions 
since it may end up making more sense to trade up vs. swapping components 
and keeping it but will see how the fit is come spring and how much 
adjusting is needed.

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:01:52 AM UTC-5 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a giant 3yo that has been crushing it on their balance bike. I 
> opted for a 14" Guardian bike based on the reviews from TwoWheelingTots. I 
> can't believe how heavy it is. Even using it as a balance bike my 3yo is 
> unable to control it and has lost interest. Wish I would have sprang for 
> the Woom...
>
> Smitty in DC 
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 9:01:06 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I will second the Woom series of bikes for kids. The owner has been been 
>> very responsive over the years to my complaints about the early wooms and 
>> now there's very little to fault about them. The joy a kid has on a nice 
>> bike coming down an MTB trail cannot be beat: 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wfaaXekGtGojqDoe8, 

[RBW] Re: Problem solvers front cable hanger?

[Adam]

Thanks,

If anyone has recommendations on cable hangers, I'm interested. Is it worth 
the trouble to swap out for one of the Paul, Tektro, or RH options? I'm 
mostly just concerned that this weird bend will cause the cable to break at 
some point, and that the bend is taking away braking function via all the 
friction.

I like the idea of a fork mounted stop, but don't see how that could work 
with centerpulls--the brake cable is too high and the mounting hole already 
in use--am I missing something?

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:12:37 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:

> I use one of those Adam and no, they aren't a great design with the sharp 
> bend and all. The plastic brake cable liner isn't necessary, I removed it 
> and just ran the cable as there was less friction that way on my Bombadil. 
>
> I tried running the brake cable direct to it without the noodle, but there 
> was too much play, the hole in the cable stop is too big. You'd need a step 
> down ferrule to even see "if" it would work.  There are flexible noodles 
> available, but those would also need a step down ferrule to even see "if" 
> it would work. 
>
> Nah, too much malarkey for me. Oh the irony of the "Problem Solvers" 
> brand. I haven't ridden the Bombadil since Spring and when I get around to 
> changing to drop bars I'll be using the Tektro 1277A fork mounted cable 
> stop instead. I use one of those on another bike and they're the bees 
> knees. The brake cable goes to it directly like a caliper brake and has an 
> adjuster which also work as a cable release with a few turns. Plus you can 
> angle it slightly off center/vertical if need be and that has no effect on 
> the efficacy of pull to the brakes. Brakes feel firmer than the high drop 
> headset/stem versions. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 10:05:03 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with the problem solvers front cable hanger? 
>> The one with a built-in "cable noodle"?
>>
>> I had an LBS install Paul racers on my hillborne and they used one of 
>> these. Changing the brake cables this week, I realized what an odd setup 
>> the cable noodle thing is, it puts a 45ish degree bend in the cable for no 
>> real reason. I'm thinking that I should change the setup, any 
>> recommendations? Or is this not an issue?
>>
>> When I changed the cable, the little plastic sleeve inside the cable 
>> noodle was cracked. Seems like a potential issue for no real purpose that I 
>> can see. Unfortunately there isn't an actual cable stop built into the 
>> hanger, so I think the whole setup may need to be changed.
>>
>> Thoughts, advice?
>>
>> Here's the part:
>>
>>
>> https://www.thebikerschoice.com/product/problem-solvers-clamp-on-cable-hanger-182078-1.htm?variations=926322,926354?utm_source=google%20shopping_medium=organic_id=18999470602_id===m=CjwKCAiA9dGqBhAqEiwAmRpTCxJ5qK9TD6hipo0RYCdZIeE5F_M3FbHVnzmIbVVSUoKWshTJSoWaCRoCHJMQAvD_BwE
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Toyo Atlantis w/ Clockwork fork. Disc tabs added

[Jacob Tobey]

Bummed I missed it, but glad you were able to sell it quickly. Thanks for
letting me know!

On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 6:50 AM bingomck  wrote:

> This is sold! It's headed to Austin, TX today. Thanks all for your
> interest.
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 12:03:59 PM UTC-8 tob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Just sent you an email
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:01:47 PM UTC-8 bingomck wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I bought this from Chris and then had another (3rd) kid. Life has been
>>> great, but my bike time has suffered. I never even unpacked the
>>> frame/fork/wheels after buying this in 2020--just been sitting in my
>>> garage. I've owned two other Atlantii, but obviously never a disc version,
>>> which is pretty unique. This is my fifth lifetime Rivendell. Just keep
>>> drawing me back...
>>>
>>> I've thought about selling the frame/fork/wheels (what I bought from
>>> Chris) over past few years, but every time I went to do it, I would look at
>>> the pictures of this thing built up and put it off, thinking I would
>>> eventually build it up. Hasn't happened... I bought the full package
>>> shipped for $1,600 (I can find the payment invoice for anyone interested).
>>>
>>> It's time to move this on to someone that will build it up and ride it!
>>>
>>> The original albums with evidence of beausage are here:
>>> https://imgur.com/a/b7SyOZF
>>> https://imgur.com/gallery/cu0A98D
>>>
>>> Would prefer to sell to someone local in the SF Bay Area, but it's
>>> boxed, so will of course consider shipping. I'm in Mill Valley and work in
>>> DTSF right next to Embarcadero BART.
>>>
>>> I think $1,450 local (and + actual shipping if not) makes sense. Would
>>> prefer to avoid Craigslist, but if there's no interest here, will post it
>>> more broadly elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Post here or shoot me an email directly and we can connect by phone.
>>> Thanks!
>>> Bingo
>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 2:09:08 AM UTC-7 chris...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 The bike has been sold, sorry forgot to update this.

 Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compliments

[Ryan]

Thanks rich...can't bring myself to sell them yet even though I haven't 
been riding them as much

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:

> Hey Ryan, nice bikes. Very nice!!!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:04:36 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I always admired that bike, jock 
>>
>> these 2 always get compliments[image: 20230728_130429.jpg]
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:30:09 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Y'all, I'm a GA southerner recently displaced in NorCAL and I get tagged 
>>> for comments damn near every time out it seems. The locals are pretty much 
>>> dialed in, even folks you'd never guess be interested. 
>>>
>>> I'm guessing the color or the mudguards is the attraction...but the 
>>> comments aren't so unusual as the recognition as Rivendell. Many say 'ooo, 
>>> nice Riv." That definitely never happened before. 
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-16 at 6.17.45 AM.png]
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 5:47 AM Nick A.  wrote:
>>>
 I've been lucky enough here in the D.C. area to receive a number of 
 compliments for my Atlantis while out and about. Notably, many of the 
 complimenters are gentleman older than I that always wanted a Riv but for 
 whatever reason never pulled the trigger. Or, have never seen them in real 
 life. They ask if it was worth it, and I say "yes" without hesitation. 

 On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:08 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> My orange Rambouillet draws unsolicited compliments often. When riding 
> The Five Boro Ride in NYC a few years ago my wife was impressed by the 
> number of strangers who pulled alongside, took a long look at my bike and 
> either gave silent thumbs up or gave compliment to it. She noticed the 
> relative anonymity of all the CFRP bikes and how their riders looked 
> dejected when positive comments on my bike came. Near the Verrazano 
> Narrows 
> Bridge she said "It's like we've been riding with 30,000 of your friends."
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our 
>> Rivendell bikes is that they get compliments.
>>
>> I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
>> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
>> For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as 
>> they called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow 
>> riders.
>> Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say - 
>> Sage Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously 
>> hitting 
>> the trail for exercise.
>>
>> Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying 
>> “Nice bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not 
>> tough to pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It 
>> surprises me.
>>
>> A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a 
>> hard leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon 
>> Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips.  
>> Maybe he was a fly fisherman?
>>
>> It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also 
>> stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride it 
>> (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many 
>> bikes…”)
>> It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, 
>> and on her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came 
>> home 
>> with smiles.
>>
>> Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about 
>> the compliments you get.
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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Stephen Durfee]

For sure, a drop bar looks great, and as others have already pointed out, 
there are several drop bar variations out there besides the Noodle...I've 
been curious about the Origin8 Tiki Bar, for example. I'm just now looking 
to offload a Roadini that is fit with Noodles and brifters, and I have to 
say that while the combination is fun,  I also get sore hands fairly 
quickly - say by mile 15.  I've got an Albastache bar on my XO-3, and am 
quite happy with that for my around-town riding and daily commute. I'm also 
fully behind the idea of saving $, so intra-list sales and swaps, CL and 
Facebook marketplace are my main source of parts. 
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:17:20 AM UTC-8 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Eh, I'm really thinking of going back to a drop bar of some sort - there's 
> 1000 of them out there, and it seems ones with shallower drops and 
> mid to high flare are going to make the drops usable.  And I probably want 
> something with a longer ramp for even more position variability.  There are 
> just. so. many. bars. now.
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I love handlebar discussions. I am a pretty big fan of the Albastache 
>> bars and generally have moved to them in instances where I would normally 
>> use drops. Similar to you I don't really ride in the drops so Noodles just 
>> don't have the same amount of options. That said I also love the look and 
>> traditional feel of drops. I plan to try out the Blue Lug specific variant 
>> of the Noodles. They are the same bar but with shallower drops and less 
>> reach. It seems like that could be perfect and make riding in the drops 
>> more accessible. As far as anything that would keep you with road levers 
>> for brifters thats about the only options. Albastache bars are clunky set 
>> up that way because of the way you need to throw the lever to shift. I have 
>> only held off trying the BL bars because I am waiting for a stem I want to 
>> come in so that shipping makes more sense.
>>
>> Now if you do want to move toward a thumb shifter route for road bikes I 
>> cannot recommend the Losco bars enough. So good for a sweptback road 
>> experience.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
>>> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
>>> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
>>> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>>>
>>> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The 
>>> drops didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my 
>>> comfort.  The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty 
>>> part of my hands behind the thumbs.
>>>
>>> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
>>> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
>>> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>>>
>>> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
>>> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
>>> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
>>> behind the thumbs.
>>>
>>> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
>>> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>>>
>>> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
>>> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>>>
>>> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
>>> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
>>> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>>>
>>> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
>>> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compliments

[RichS]

Hey Ryan, nice bikes. Very nice!!!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:04:36 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> I always admired that bike, jock 
>
> these 2 always get compliments[image: 20230728_130429.jpg]
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:30:09 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Y'all, I'm a GA southerner recently displaced in NorCAL and I get tagged 
>> for comments damn near every time out it seems. The locals are pretty much 
>> dialed in, even folks you'd never guess be interested. 
>>
>> I'm guessing the color or the mudguards is the attraction...but the 
>> comments aren't so unusual as the recognition as Rivendell. Many say 'ooo, 
>> nice Riv." That definitely never happened before. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-16 at 6.17.45 AM.png]
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 5:47 AM Nick A.  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been lucky enough here in the D.C. area to receive a number of 
>>> compliments for my Atlantis while out and about. Notably, many of the 
>>> complimenters are gentleman older than I that always wanted a Riv but for 
>>> whatever reason never pulled the trigger. Or, have never seen them in real 
>>> life. They ask if it was worth it, and I say "yes" without hesitation. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:08 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
 My orange Rambouillet draws unsolicited compliments often. When riding 
 The Five Boro Ride in NYC a few years ago my wife was impressed by the 
 number of strangers who pulled alongside, took a long look at my bike and 
 either gave silent thumbs up or gave compliment to it. She noticed the 
 relative anonymity of all the CFRP bikes and how their riders looked 
 dejected when positive comments on my bike came. Near the Verrazano 
 Narrows 
 Bridge she said "It's like we've been riding with 30,000 of your friends."

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh
 On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our 
> Rivendell bikes is that they get compliments.
>
> I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
> For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as 
> they called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow 
> riders.
> Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say - 
> Sage Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously 
> hitting 
> the trail for exercise.
>
> Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying 
> “Nice bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not 
> tough to pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It 
> surprises me.
>
> A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a 
> hard leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon 
> Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips.  
> Maybe he was a fly fisherman?
>
> It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also 
> stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride it 
> (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many 
> bikes…”)
> It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, and 
> on her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came home 
> with 
> smiles.
>
> Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about 
> the compliments you get.

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[RBW] Re: Compliments

[RichS]

Hello Mr. Aeroperf,

It's been awhile but we've encountered each other on the SC and 
corresponded via the list. Last ride on the Comet was in late September. 
Glad to see you're still pedaling the Sam and receiving compliments on the 
bike. Our octagenarian friend Irv is a regular rider on the trail with his 
orange Joe App. He's easy to spot.

If you ride a Riv (or any other well turned out steel frame rider) you'll 
likely get admiring comments. My sage green Sam often gets likes. 
Ditto for Rivs I have previously owned. Remarks have ranged from "nice 
bike" to "I didn't know they still made bikes like that" or "how old is 
that?" 

Next time I'm out your way I will give you a heads up.

Best,
Rich in ATL  

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our Rivendell 
> bikes is that they get compliments.
>
> I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
> For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as they 
> called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow riders.
> Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say - Sage 
> Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously hitting the 
> trail for exercise.
>
> Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying “Nice 
> bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not tough to 
> pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It surprises me.
>
> A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a hard 
> leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon 
> Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips. 
>  Maybe he was a fly fisherman?
>
> It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also 
> stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride it 
> (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many bikes…”)
> It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, and on 
> her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came home with 
> smiles.
>
> Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about the 
> compliments you get.

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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Eh, I'm really thinking of going back to a drop bar of some sort - there's 
1000 of them out there, and it seems ones with shallower drops and 
mid to high flare are going to make the drops usable.  And I probably want 
something with a longer ramp for even more position variability.  There are 
just. so. many. bars. now.

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I love handlebar discussions. I am a pretty big fan of the Albastache bars 
> and generally have moved to them in instances where I would normally use 
> drops. Similar to you I don't really ride in the drops so Noodles just 
> don't have the same amount of options. That said I also love the look and 
> traditional feel of drops. I plan to try out the Blue Lug specific variant 
> of the Noodles. They are the same bar but with shallower drops and less 
> reach. It seems like that could be perfect and make riding in the drops 
> more accessible. As far as anything that would keep you with road levers 
> for brifters thats about the only options. Albastache bars are clunky set 
> up that way because of the way you need to throw the lever to shift. I have 
> only held off trying the BL bars because I am waiting for a stem I want to 
> come in so that shipping makes more sense.
>
> Now if you do want to move toward a thumb shifter route for road bikes I 
> cannot recommend the Losco bars enough. So good for a sweptback road 
> experience.
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
>> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
>> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
>> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>>
>> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
>> didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
>> The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
>> hands behind the thumbs.
>>
>> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
>> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
>> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>>
>> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
>> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
>> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
>> behind the thumbs.
>>
>> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
>> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>>
>> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
>> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>>
>> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
>> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
>> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>>
>> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
>> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[awen...@gmail.com]

Hi Nick and list,

I don't have personal experience with the Woom brand but I can direct you 
to this site, which has a great list of "better" kids' bikes in different 
sizes and types, along with (crucially) the weight of 
each: https://thebikedads.com/

The site's authors have a mountain-biking background, so there's some 
emphasis on bikes that can handle trails, but they have a pretty 
comprehensive listing of kids bikes in different categories.

My own experience having put three kids on bikes is that, if you have more 
than one kid, just invest up front in good bikes and hand them down. You 
will come out even or ahead, money-wise, and they'll enjoy riding more. The 
biggest downside to this approach is that the younger kids don't get to 
enjoy that new bike feeling, but the oldest sibling does. That can be a 
difficult situation to deal with. You can compensate a bit by letting them 
customize their bikes as they inherit them with bells, grips, bags, 
stickers, etc. My kids love that stuff.

As to transitioning from a balance bike to a pedal bike, my advice is to 
introduce the pedal bike as soon as they can physically fit on it (with the 
saddle at the same height from the ground as on their balance bike), but 
let the child decide what they want to ride. My youngest daughter took at 
least six months before she wanted to try to ride "the big bike" over "the 
little bike" (her balance bike). The larger wheelbase, higher handlebar, 
and extra weight made it unfamiliar and a little bit cumbersome at first. 
We always encouraged her to try the big bike, but the choice was hers as to 
what she wanted to ride. The most important thing is to make sure they have 
fun!
On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-5 fiddl...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have to 
> go a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for my 
> son. He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance bike.
>
> Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch from 
> balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), since 
> they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow a 14" 
> bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) Probably 
> also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on trails, so I'm 
> definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, too. 
> Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - thanks 
> in advance for your help!
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Johnny Alien]

I love handlebar discussions. I am a pretty big fan of the Albastache bars 
and generally have moved to them in instances where I would normally use 
drops. Similar to you I don't really ride in the drops so Noodles just 
don't have the same amount of options. That said I also love the look and 
traditional feel of drops. I plan to try out the Blue Lug specific variant 
of the Noodles. They are the same bar but with shallower drops and less 
reach. It seems like that could be perfect and make riding in the drops 
more accessible. As far as anything that would keep you with road levers 
for brifters thats about the only options. Albastache bars are clunky set 
up that way because of the way you need to throw the lever to shift. I have 
only held off trying the BL bars because I am waiting for a stem I want to 
come in so that shipping makes more sense.

Now if you do want to move toward a thumb shifter route for road bikes I 
cannot recommend the Losco bars enough. So good for a sweptback road 
experience.

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>
> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
> didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
> The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
> hands behind the thumbs.
>
> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>
> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
> behind the thumbs.
>
> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>
> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>
> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>
> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>

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[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[Mike Packard]

I've been happy with Woom bikes too. A couple things I liked

- They have good resell value, I've been able to sell them for > 50% of 
what they were new
- They are readily available used. I set a craigslist alert and waited for 
the one I wanted
- They are adjustable enough so I could skip numbers. i.e. went from 
balance bike to woom 3 to 5

mike
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:01:52 AM UTC-6 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a giant 3yo that has been crushing it on their balance bike. I 
> opted for a 14" Guardian bike based on the reviews from TwoWheelingTots. I 
> can't believe how heavy it is. Even using it as a balance bike my 3yo is 
> unable to control it and has lost interest. Wish I would have sprang for 
> the Woom...
>
> Smitty in DC 
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 9:01:06 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I will second the Woom series of bikes for kids. The owner has been been 
>> very responsive over the years to my complaints about the early wooms and 
>> now there's very little to fault about them. The joy a kid has on a nice 
>> bike coming down an MTB trail cannot be beat: 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wfaaXekGtGojqDoe8, 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KzNpJ69adZiCrgxDA
>>
>> We bought Woom 2, 3, and then when the off versions came out the off 
>> versions of the 4 and 5. Rather than get a 6, I found a used Salsa 
>> Journeyman 50cm which worked out well for less money than a new Woom 6.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:39:32 PM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Nick,
>>>
>>> We've been using both the Woom 2 and Woom 3 as first pedal bikes for our 
>>> two kids (now 3.5 and 6.5). My kids are pretty rough on the bikes and I've 
>>> never had any mechanical issues with them aside from adjusting the brakes 
>>> every now and then. We do always keep them in the garage when not in use. 
>>>
>>> My younger just moved from a Woom 2 to a Woom 3 and it seems to fit her 
>>> just fine. She probably could have used the Woom 2 for a few more months, 
>>> but with the slightly lower gearing, she was spinning out on it quite a bit 
>>> and we had the seat almost all the way up. I think you're right that if you 
>>> went with the 14" Woom 2 that your kid would outgrow it pretty quickly. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:55:09 PM UTC-6 fiddl...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have 
 to go a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for 
 my son. He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance 
 bike.

 Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch 
 from balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), 
 since they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow 
 a 
 14" bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) 
 Probably also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on 
 trails, 
 so I'm definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, 
 too. Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - 
 thanks in advance for your help!

 Nick

>>>

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[RBW] YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the bike, 
and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being able to 
ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam too), I 
swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  

The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
hands behind the thumbs.

The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
"hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...

I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on being 
on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put them in a 
spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part behind the 
thumbs.

I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.

I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 

The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)

Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here have 
Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Toyo Atlantis w/ Clockwork fork. Disc tabs added

[bingomck]

This is sold! It's headed to Austin, TX today. Thanks all for your 
interest. 

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 12:03:59 PM UTC-8 tob...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just sent you an email
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:01:47 PM UTC-8 bingomck wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> I bought this from Chris and then had another (3rd) kid. Life has been 
>> great, but my bike time has suffered. I never even unpacked the 
>> frame/fork/wheels after buying this in 2020--just been sitting in my 
>> garage. I've owned two other Atlantii, but obviously never a disc version, 
>> which is pretty unique. This is my fifth lifetime Rivendell. Just keep 
>> drawing me back... 
>>
>> I've thought about selling the frame/fork/wheels (what I bought from 
>> Chris) over past few years, but every time I went to do it, I would look at 
>> the pictures of this thing built up and put it off, thinking I would 
>> eventually build it up. Hasn't happened... I bought the full package 
>> shipped for $1,600 (I can find the payment invoice for anyone interested). 
>>
>> It's time to move this on to someone that will build it up and ride it! 
>>
>> The original albums with evidence of beausage are here: 
>> https://imgur.com/a/b7SyOZF
>> https://imgur.com/gallery/cu0A98D
>>
>> Would prefer to sell to someone local in the SF Bay Area, but it's boxed, 
>> so will of course consider shipping. I'm in Mill Valley and work in DTSF 
>> right next to Embarcadero BART. 
>>
>> I think $1,450 local (and + actual shipping if not) makes sense. Would 
>> prefer to avoid Craigslist, but if there's no interest here, will post it 
>> more broadly elsewhere. 
>>
>> Post here or shoot me an email directly and we can connect by phone. 
>> Thanks!
>> Bingo
>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 2:09:08 AM UTC-7 chris...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The bike has been sold, sorry forgot to update this.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Long chainstay content: Esker Hayduke LVS review at The Radavist

[Chris K]

Thanks for the link.

I saw a solo rider on a tandem the other night. Rally long 
chainstay on that ride, haha

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 2:07:31 PM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:

> I thought some on here might be interested in The Radavist's review of 
> the Esker Hayduke LVS 
> , 
> which they posted last week. The Hayduke LVS is a new titanium hardtail 
> mountain bike with long (600mm) chainstays. 
>
> I though it would be of interest for a number of reasons: 
>
>1. Another company (aside from Rivendell and Jeff Jones) thinks long 
>chainstays are a good enough idea to build a production model around them.
>2. The reviewer, John Watson (owner of the Radavist), gives Grant his 
>due credit for some of the thinking behind long chainstays, although it's 
>unclear to me if Esker themselves credit him for influencing the design. 
>3. The review is favorable (to put it mildly) and everything John says 
>about riding the Hayduke LVS reflects my feelings about riding my 59cm 
> Clem 
>H (with 56cm chainstays) off-road. I don't do it much anymore, but back 
>before I had a kid I did a fair amount of mountain biking on it and I 
> loved 
>the sure-footed feeling on climbs and the long wheelbase stability on the 
>descents, compared to other hardtails and full-suspension bikes I had 
>ridden with more "standard" MTB geometry (read: short chainstays). In 
> fact, 
>I would argue that the fact that the Esker is completely otherwise a 
>standard hardtail with suspension fork, disc brakes, and dropper seatpost 
>points to the fundamental soundness of the long-chainstay design, given 
>that it seems to work even if you don't buy into all of Grant's 
>particularities when it comes to component selection.  
>
> I hope others enjoy reading it too! The accompanying video of the 
> bikepacking trip they took is also fun.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[Pat Smith]

I have a giant 3yo that has been crushing it on their balance bike. I opted 
for a 14" Guardian bike based on the reviews from TwoWheelingTots. I can't 
believe how heavy it is. Even using it as a balance bike my 3yo is unable 
to control it and has lost interest. Wish I would have sprang for the 
Woom...

Smitty in DC 

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 9:01:06 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I will second the Woom series of bikes for kids. The owner has been been 
> very responsive over the years to my complaints about the early wooms and 
> now there's very little to fault about them. The joy a kid has on a nice 
> bike coming down an MTB trail cannot be beat: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wfaaXekGtGojqDoe8, 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KzNpJ69adZiCrgxDA
>
> We bought Woom 2, 3, and then when the off versions came out the off 
> versions of the 4 and 5. Rather than get a 6, I found a used Salsa 
> Journeyman 50cm which worked out well for less money than a new Woom 6.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:39:32 PM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Hi Nick,
>>
>> We've been using both the Woom 2 and Woom 3 as first pedal bikes for our 
>> two kids (now 3.5 and 6.5). My kids are pretty rough on the bikes and I've 
>> never had any mechanical issues with them aside from adjusting the brakes 
>> every now and then. We do always keep them in the garage when not in use. 
>>
>> My younger just moved from a Woom 2 to a Woom 3 and it seems to fit her 
>> just fine. She probably could have used the Woom 2 for a few more months, 
>> but with the slightly lower gearing, she was spinning out on it quite a bit 
>> and we had the seat almost all the way up. I think you're right that if you 
>> went with the 14" Woom 2 that your kid would outgrow it pretty quickly. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:55:09 PM UTC-6 fiddl...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have to 
>>> go a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for my 
>>> son. He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance bike.
>>>
>>> Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch 
>>> from balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), 
>>> since they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow a 
>>> 14" bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) 
>>> Probably also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on trails, 
>>> so I'm definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, 
>>> too. Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - 
>>> thanks in advance for your help!
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Compliments

[Nick A.]

I've been lucky enough here in the D.C. area to receive a number of 
compliments for my Atlantis while out and about. Notably, many of the 
complimenters are gentleman older than I that always wanted a Riv but for 
whatever reason never pulled the trigger. Or, have never seen them in real 
life. They ask if it was worth it, and I say "yes" without hesitation. 

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:08 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> My orange Rambouillet draws unsolicited compliments often. When riding The 
> Five Boro Ride in NYC a few years ago my wife was impressed by the number 
> of strangers who pulled alongside, took a long look at my bike and either 
> gave silent thumbs up or gave compliment to it. She noticed the relative 
> anonymity of all the CFRP bikes and how their riders looked dejected when 
> positive comments on my bike came. Near the Verrazano Narrows Bridge she 
> said "It's like we've been riding with 30,000 of your friends."
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our Rivendell 
>> bikes is that they get compliments.
>>
>> I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
>> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
>> For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as they 
>> called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow riders.
>> Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say - 
>> Sage Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously hitting 
>> the trail for exercise.
>>
>> Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying 
>> “Nice bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not 
>> tough to pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It 
>> surprises me.
>>
>> A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a hard 
>> leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon 
>> Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips. 
>>  Maybe he was a fly fisherman?
>>
>> It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also 
>> stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride it 
>> (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many bikes…”)
>> It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, and on 
>> her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came home with 
>> smiles.
>>
>> Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about the 
>> compliments you get.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Problem solvers front cable hanger?

[Garth]

I use one of those Adam and no, they aren't a great design with the sharp 
bend and all. The plastic brake cable liner isn't necessary, I removed it 
and just ran the cable as there was less friction that way on my Bombadil. 

I tried running the brake cable direct to it without the noodle, but there 
was too much play, the hole in the cable stop is too big. You'd need a step 
down ferrule to even see "if" it would work.  There are flexible noodles 
available, but those would also need a step down ferrule to even see "if" 
it would work. 

Nah, too much malarkey for me. Oh the irony of the "Problem Solvers" brand. 
I haven't ridden the Bombadil since Spring and when I get around to 
changing to drop bars I'll be using the Tektro 1277A fork mounted cable 
stop instead. I use one of those on another bike and they're the bees 
knees. The brake cable goes to it directly like a caliper brake and has an 
adjuster which also work as a cable release with a few turns. Plus you can 
angle it slightly off center/vertical if need be and that has no effect on 
the efficacy of pull to the brakes. Brakes feel firmer than the high drop 
headset/stem versions. 

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 10:05:03 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone have experience with the problem solvers front cable hanger? 
> The one with a built-in "cable noodle"?
>
> I had an LBS install Paul racers on my hillborne and they used one of 
> these. Changing the brake cables this week, I realized what an odd setup 
> the cable noodle thing is, it puts a 45ish degree bend in the cable for no 
> real reason. I'm thinking that I should change the setup, any 
> recommendations? Or is this not an issue?
>
> When I changed the cable, the little plastic sleeve inside the cable 
> noodle was cracked. Seems like a potential issue for no real purpose that I 
> can see. Unfortunately there isn't an actual cable stop built into the 
> hanger, so I think the whole setup may need to be changed.
>
> Thoughts, advice?
>
> Here's the part:
>
>
> https://www.thebikerschoice.com/product/problem-solvers-clamp-on-cable-hanger-182078-1.htm?variations=926322,926354?utm_source=google%20shopping_medium=organic_id=18999470602_id===m=CjwKCAiA9dGqBhAqEiwAmRpTCxJ5qK9TD6hipo0RYCdZIeE5F_M3FbHVnzmIbVVSUoKWshTJSoWaCRoCHJMQAvD_BwE
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Compliments

[ascpgh]

My orange Rambouillet draws unsolicited compliments often. When riding The 
Five Boro Ride in NYC a few years ago my wife was impressed by the number 
of strangers who pulled alongside, took a long look at my bike and either 
gave silent thumbs up or gave compliment to it. She noticed the relative 
anonymity of all the CFRP bikes and how their riders looked dejected when 
positive comments on my bike came. Near the Verrazano Narrows Bridge she 
said "It's like we've been riding with 30,000 of your friends."

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our Rivendell 
> bikes is that they get compliments.
>
> I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
> For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as they 
> called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow riders.
> Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say - Sage 
> Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously hitting the 
> trail for exercise.
>
> Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying “Nice 
> bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not tough to 
> pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It surprises me.
>
> A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a hard 
> leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon 
> Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips. 
>  Maybe he was a fly fisherman?
>
> It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also 
> stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride it 
> (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many bikes…”)
> It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, and on 
> her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came home with 
> smiles.
>
> Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about the 
> compliments you get.

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