[RBW] Re: TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[Corwin Zechar]

I'm 6'0", 200 lbs. Both the RRls and Shimano Tiagra (and similar Shimano 
levers) work very well for me.

I find the distinction to be more in the areas of reliablility, ease of 
setup, and usability than comfort. Although I ride in a more "aerodynamic" 
posture than most on this list, the feel of both levers in my hands is not 
significantly different.

Regards,

Corwin
On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 5:58:26 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Folks, 
> Want to give drop bars one more time on my homer. 
>
>  Long background and context , I had drop bars set up TRP RRL but never 
> got comfortable . But I think it had do more with the reach. I had around 
> set back and 7 cm stem . Also I have short torso and long legs. I am 5'8.5 
> but have pbh of 86.5 . Out of curosity I tried Knee over pedal spindle with 
> plumb bob. On my homer I had to set it up with zero set back and push 
> saddle forward. ( interestingly same thing on my Atlantis translates to 
> around 20 mm set back , didn't realize .5 degree change in seat tube could 
> make such difference ). More importantly with  this saddle position it 
> feels like my reach has significantly increased. I can comfortably reach 6 
> -7 cm beyond hooks of albatross set up on 100 mm Nitto faceplater. So I am 
> thinking of trying 52 cm noodles with 7cm stem. 
>
> I like aesthetics of Shimano better than RRL . So folks who have used 
> both? Is there a difference in performance and comfort , to make the 
> upgrade worth it. Also looks like ramps on RRL are longer, does it add to 
> the reach? . My priority is in the following order 1. Comfort 2. Braking 
> performance 3. Asthetics 4. Price. 
>
> I would really appreciate your experience and insights. Happy weekend !
>

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[RBW] Re: Favorite clip-in/flat pedal combo?

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Glen -

I have MKS Ezy pedals on my Dahon Hon Solo. Have not tried clipless. I 
imagine it would work well. The Ezys come off easy once you know the trick.

Regards,


Corwin
On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:42:16 PM UTC-7 Glen wrote:

> Following on to this; has anyone here used the MKS ezy pedal system to 
> easily swap between flats and clipless?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:41:02 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Rivsters: 
>>
>> I've ridden many many years on Speedplay Frogs with great enjoyment.
>> I've also ridden for years on flat pedals (MKS Sylvan Touring are my 
>> favorite) with great enjoyment.
>>
>> I'm now curious about trying something I thought I'd never try: A 
>> clipless-flat combo pedal.  Because there are times  - especially on longer 
>> rides - when I want more foot support than my flat pedals provide. (Yes, 
>> I've used larger flat pedals - VP Vice - and found no effective difference 
>> to my MKS Sylvan in this regard.)
>>
>> So for those of you who still ride clipless, and who in fact use a combo 
>> pedal: What's your favorite?
>>
>> John
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Corwin Zechar]

My orange creamsicle (the fastest color) Ram is currently wearing 38mm 
Schwalbe Marathon Racers. The Racers are mounted on skinny Mavic Open Pro 
rims, but still measure 37.25mm. I would wager, I could mount a pair of 
Schwalbe 40mm tires on the Ram with adequate clearance.

I ride the Ram and my Custom Rivendell (wearing 40mm tires) on club rides, 
keep up with much younger riders, and highly recommend 38 and 40mm tires 
for road riding. As a matter of fact, my Hubbuhubbuh wears Schwalbe 
Hurricanes which measure 71mm mounted on Velocity Cliffhangers. My wife 
refuses to ride anything but roads and we regularly pass most other bikes 
we encounter.

Nothing wrong with riding wider tires.

Regards,

Corwin

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:54:03 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Agreed.  I own a 54cm Ram and it's equipped with fenders.  The max tire 
> that works in this set up is a 32mm.  But without fenders one might be able 
> to get 35mm or more on the wheels, but I still don't recommend it for a 
> "road bike".  While wider tires may be a good thing for general riding 
> purposes they would not work out as well as smaller diameter tires for road 
> riding and for what she'll probably soon be using it for like or not, club 
> rides where she will be burning up the pavement with it.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> The Romulus was essentially just the Rambouillet and I fit Kojaks on it. 
>> Those are stated to be 35 but I think they were actually more like 36. With 
>> that in mind it worked but I am not sure I would have been able to or 
>> wanted to go to 38's. It was probably possible though.
>>
>> Interesting that in reviewing some of those pages Grant said that the AHH 
>> and Rambouillet are the same with the only exception being that the AHH 
>> takes larger tires. I'm not sure I ever knew that before. I thought the AHH 
>> was the same as the Saluki with only the 650B vs 700C tires being the 
>> difference at the beginning.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend 
>>> going there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really need 
>>> any tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going to 
>>> be riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
>>>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should 
>>>> have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of 
>>>> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better" 
>>>> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame 
>>>>> sizing. Here's the geometry: 
>>>>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
>>>>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
>>>>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
>>>>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner <
>>>>> mathiass...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>>>>>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>>>>>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers -mathias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds great, right in and around your

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Corwin Zechar]

Since you could easily put the same components on either a Roadeo or a 
Roadini (with the possible exception of the stem - if you had a Roadeo with 
a threadless steerer), I don't understand how the difference would be in 
the components.

Seems to me that the difference would be mostly in the standover height and 
the wheelbase.

Regards,

Corwin

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 2:16:59 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I doubt the Roadeo is a TON lighter than a Roadini. I think the weight 
> details would be in the build more than anything else. As far as bars are 
> concerned drops are fun on a road bike but not required. My recommendation 
> for a non-drop road setup would be the Albastache bars which are IMO the 
> best road bars out there.
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 5:12:07 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Ryan - sorry.  I don't always see things as clearly with my aged 
>> ready-for-cataract surgery eyeballs.  Nevertheless, it bears repeating.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> 81 PBH was mentioned
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>> There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and 
>>>> you won't go wrong!
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Leah
>>>>>
>>>>> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road 
>>>>> bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  
>>>>> After 
>>>>> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
>>>>> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike 
>>>>> was 
>>>>> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
>>>>> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
>>>>> randonneuse.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
>>>>> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The 
>>>>> newer 
>>>>> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  
>>>>>
>>>>> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
>>>>> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be 
>>>>> had 
>>>>> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
>>>>> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
>>>>> personal shopper.  :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
>>>>> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
>>>>> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
>>>>> then you'll have both!  
>>>>>
>>>>> Do let me know if you want more advice
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>>>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>>>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>>>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>>>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>>>>> ideal. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>>>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
>>>>>> what 
>>>>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
>>>>>> before. 
>>>>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>>>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>>>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it 
>>>>>> out 
>>>>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>>>>>> rate 
>>>>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else 
>>>>>> agreed 
>>>>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
>>>>>> I’m 
>>>>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Leah -

I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge 
the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.

All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I know 
that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
where you point it.

About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them Rivs) 
with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low on 
Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 2) 
on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats 
on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the 
Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.

Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.

Regards,


Corwin
On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:07:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way here 
> - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>
> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>
> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of the 
> bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
> offers? 
>
> I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. It 
> felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or 
> shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of 
> advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large 
> amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle.
>
> I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right 
> road bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that 
> you enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a 
> perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up 
> traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find 
> with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative 
> positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is *more* 
> comfortable, 
> *more* natural, *more* pleasant for energetic riding than other setups; 
> at least, I've always found it so, and there's a reason why the traditional 
> road bike was developed so quickly after the chain-driven safety was 
> invented and why it has remained largely the same for going on for 150 
> years.
>
> Note: I don't say that *everyone* who rides energetically should have a 
> road bike, but everyone who does so and can try ought at least to give one 
> a try. Again, there is an efficiency and comfort -- really, a "fit" like 
> that of a custom suit or perfect tool -- offered by an intelligently spec'd 
> and set up road bike that, you don't -- or at least, *I don't,* -- get 
> with any other sort of bike.
>
> Me, based on my experience, I'd certainly start by keeping my eye out for 
> a used Roadeo or Riv Road or LongLow or Ram or Heron. But for the final and 
> perfect version, I'd not close my mind a priori to other makes. I am 
> guessing, but I would not be surprised if, after your usual rapid learning 
> cycle, this time with a road bike, you end up with a custom. My favorite 
> bike of all time out of several scores is a custom Riv Road, but I've owned 
> 2 other Riv Road customs plus a Ram (and the Sam) not to mention many other 
> road bikes, and I've sold them all on to finally get what for me is belated 
> perfection in the 2 Matthews customs  -- tho' these used the Rivs as 
> general design templ

Re: [RBW] Re: Eroica California

[Corwin Zechar]

According to the website, Eroica California is open to all road racing, 
cyclocross and gravel bicycles with carbon, steel, titanium and aluminum 
frames.

The only requirement left over from prior years appears to be that the bike 
must have drop handlebars.

Regards,


Corwin

On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 8:01:33 PM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:

> I rode it on my Eisentraut with period appropriate Campy Nuovo Record and 
> 30mm tubular tires. As I recall, they allow newer lugged steel bikes, and I 
> definitely saw a few Rivs. There were several folks from this list and 
> I-BOB. There's a bike expo and Concours for people to show off their rides, 
> which is great if you like looking at old steel bikes. There were awards 
> for things like best original Cinelli. Central coast Calif has a lot of 
> beautiful areas for riding. They partnered with local wineries to route 
> through vineyard roads, so there was a lot of strade bianche. Riv content 
> -- I met George Mount, who used to race against Grant back in the day, and 
> I met Andy Hampsten, who has extolled Jack Brown tires. 
>
> jim m
> walnut creek
>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 11:05:59 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> If I decide to gear way lower, I'll swap over a vintage compact double. 
>>  I have a Sugino AT triple converted to Guard/46/30.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 7:59:12 AM UTC-7 Keith Weaver wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, 
>>>
>>> I also have a brown Gran Premio! I especially like the Suntour symmetric 
>>> shifters. Univega was the brand sold in my childhood bike store, so when I 
>>> saw mine in a used bike shop, I had to have it. They'll always have a soft 
>>> spot in my heart. If I were to ride mine in the CA Eroica, I think I'd need 
>>> some lower gearing, maybe the Velo Orange 46-30 crankset.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:28 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got the bike for it, and I'm just waiting for the stars to align 
>>>> to do the ride.  My "Eroica Bike" is a time capsule 1983 Univega Gran 
>>>> Premio.  I've got ~700 miles on it, and will not have any issue using it 
>>>> for an Eroica day.  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/49563967306/in/album-72157713199195553/
>>>>
>>>> BL in EC
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 9:41:21 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Curious if anyone on this forum is also a Vintage enthusiast and has 
>>>>> interest in the Eroica event that is run on the Central Coast of 
>>>>> California. I've ridden it a few times on my PX-10... its a great ride, 
>>>>> although the organization that runs the event has had its ups and downs 
>>>>> over the years. Currently, the website lists September 22, 2024 as the 
>>>>> run 
>>>>> date, but the registration button leads to last year's sign-updoes 
>>>>> anyone have any better intel? 
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] It's New Bike What?

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Patrick -

Thanks for the info. I grabbed those pedals.

I don't think you are a snob. My wife calls me a snob - but I tell her I 
just know what I like, and don't feel bad about going after it. I define a 
snob as someone with strong preferences who looks down on others that do 
not share their preferences.

Regards,


Corwin
On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 11:53:45 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Corwin. I'm a pedal snob and love lightweight SPD-type pedals, and 
> there's a (earlier version?) pair of Micros on eBay for $25, but I just 
> read reviews of the Micros and apparently their cleats and SPD cleats 
> aren't compatible; too bad, since I have SPDs on all my bikes now. 
>
> Bike Radar weighed the Micro version they reviewed at 208 grams, lighter 
> even than the old Xpedo titanium spindle pedals with 180 lb weight limit in 
> my pedal stash, and a good 5 oz lighter than my go-to Dura Ace spds.
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 12:30 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick -
>>
>> Love the Richey Micros. They are one-sided and weighted to be in the 
>> optimal position when you want to clip in.
>>
>> I've had lots of Schwalbe tires. I get flats on almost every ride with 
>> G-Ones. But the Hurricanes have never flatted. I have them on three bikes 
>> now: Hubbuhubbuh, Custom and Quickbeam. I really like the cushy ride of 
>> supple tires. But a tire that flats nearly every time I ride is of no use 
>> to me. Reliability is very important to me.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> CZ
>>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely and intriguing! Certainly an eclectic build -- that's a positive. 
>>> How do you like the Hurricanes and the Ritchey Micros?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 10:42 AM John Bokman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> That ride looks like so much fun! Love the color pop of the Red brakes 
>>>> on Purple frameset. Reminds me of days on my 1994 Maroon mustached XO-3. 
>>>> Also my 1990 MB2 (because it was also purple). Thanks for posting Corwin.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:30:25 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looks great, and I love the color, and the fat tires with 
>>>>> the Albastache combo.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you win the Riv with the lowest bars award!
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 2:03 AM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's definitely not new bike day. That was back in the first week of 
>>>>>> February. Not even New Bike Month. So it's New Bike Quarter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I picked up my much anticipated and long-awaited custom 
>>>>>> Rivendell last month. Some interesting aspects include:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) SRAM drop bar levers mounted on opposite sides (with respect to 
>>>>>> normal drop bar mounting) on Nitto Albastache bars - as suggested by 
>>>>>> Bill 
>>>>>> Lindsay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) A Fizik Aliante Gamma saddle recovered by Mick Peel in Australia 
>>>>>> and sporting the Rivendell logo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) A Rich Lesnik built wheelset with Onyx hubs and Velocity Quill 
>>>>>> rims.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) SRAM rear derailer and SRAM bar-end shifters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5) Shimano Ultegra 6650 compact double crankset with TA Specialities 
>>>>>> chainrings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6) Chris King bottom bracket with outboard bearings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7) DT Swiss skewers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 8) Custom lug carving by Mark Nobilette.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 9) Ritchey Micro Road pedals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 10) Tektro CX 8.4 short-pull V-brakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main difference between my new custom and the old custom are the 
>>>>>> cantilever posts and lug carving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can report that my new custom feels just like my old custom - 
>>>>>> wherever it is. I rode the bike in the Redlands Strada Rossa last 
>>>>>> Saturday 
>>>>>> and it performed flawlessly - despite my lack of experience on dirt 
>>>>>> roa

Re: [RBW] It's New Bike What?

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Jim -

It's been close to three years between the theft of the original custom and 
delivery of the new one. To be honest, the wait was about the same as last 
time. Back then, there was a big backlog of custom frames waiting to be 
built and waiting to be painted.

Regarding the size - it's a 60.2. According to Grant, that 0.2 cm really 
matters. Another difference between the two frames I neglected to mention 
is this one has the minimum upslope: 1.5 degrees. The original had what 
looks like a 3 degree upslope.

Regarding the components -- I will give you a detailed analysis.

Bottom bracket - Original had a Phil Wood with outboard bearings. The new 
one has a Chris King with outboard ceramic bearings.

Headset - Old was a Chris King Nothreadset. New is a Cane Creek 40.

Crankset - both bikes have (or had) the same crankset - Shimano Ultegra 
6650 compact double. As I recall, the original custom had 46/34 chainrings. 
The new chainrings are 48/34.

Pedals - I had Tioga Surefoot 8 pedals on the original. Kept meaning to put 
clipless on, but never got around to it. The new custom has Ritchey Micro 
Road (one sided) clipless pedals.

Stem/Handlebars - I started out with 48cm Noodles and a 13cm Nitto 
threadless stem on the original. By the time I got things dialed in, I had 
switched to an 8cm Nitto threadless stem. The new bars are Albastache. The 
tape is the same between old and new - tan corkish tape.

Seatpost - Same for both - Nitto Frog (NJ-SP72 27.2).

Saddle - Old was a Fizik Aliante Gamma with Kium rails. New saddle is a 
Fizik Aliante Gamma R3 with kium rails. The old saddle had been Recovered 
by Carson Leh in Texas. By the time I contacted him again, Carson was no 
longer recovering saddles. Carson referred me to Mick Peel in Australia who 
recovered the new saddle and embossed the leather with the Rivendell logo.

Front Derailleur - Old was a Campagnolo Mirage. New is a Shimano GX. 
Although the bottom bracket drop and seat tube angles are the same for both 
frames, the new bike is limited in the gears I can use from the big ring. 
This could be due to my choice of a larger chainring.

Rear Derailleur - Old was a Shimano Ultegra 9-speed. New is an SRAM  X0 
medium cage.

Shifters - Old were Shimano 600/Ultegra 9 speed shifting indexed. New are 
SRAM 10 speed bar ends shifting indexed.

Cassette - Old was 11-28 nine speed. New is 11-36 ten speed.

Brakes - Old were Tektro R539 sidepulls. New are Tektro CX8.4 V-brakes. I 
really loved the R539s. But I hate the lawyer tabs they added.

Brake Levers - Old were SRAM 500 aluminum levers. New are SRAM 900 carbon 
levers.

Wheelset - Went through several iterations on the old custom. Started with 
a SON Dynamo hub laced to Velocity Fusion rim in front. The rear was a 
Chris King Classic Cross hub laced to a Velocity Fusion off-center rim. I 
sold the front wheel after a year or so. Then had the rear wheel rebuilt 
with the Chris King hub and Velocity A23 rim. Before the rebuild, I sent 
the Chris King hub off for a new steel driveshell. I had a new front wheel 
built with a Chris King Classic Cross hub and Velocity A23 rim. The new 
wheelset is Onyx hubs laced to Velocity Quill rims. The Onyx rear hub has 
ceramic bearings and a noiseless clutch. It's wild sneaking up on people 
with a noiseless bike (even when coasting).

Tires - My biggest gripe about the old custom was that I had spec'ed it to 
take 35mm tires. Which it did. The new custom was spec'ed for 38mm tires 
and will handle tires wider than 40mm (without fenders).

Regards,

Corwin
On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 6:35:18 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Congratulations, Corwin. It's lovely. It looks like such a fun bike. From 
> what I recall, this has been a long time coming for you after your previous 
> custom was stolen. 
>
> A couple of questions: do you mind sharing what size it is? The slammed 
> bar I think is making it kind of hard for me to ascertain proportions.
> Also, besides the switch to canti posts and V brakes, how does the 
> build/components collection deviate from your previous custom? 
>
> Congrats again.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 4:31:08 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave -
>>
>> It had a lot more dirt on it after last Saturday when I rode the Redlands 
>> Strada Rossa. Ride Report to be posted shortly...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> CZ
>>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 1:10:35 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Corbin, the nice about New Bike What? (as opposed to NBD) is that the 
>>> bike has some dirt on it!
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:50:13 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Rich -
>>>>
>>>> I can't take credit for the build. Mark Abele at Rivendell did it all. 
>>>> 

Re: [RBW] It's New Bike What?

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Dave -

It had a lot more dirt on it after last Saturday when I rode the Redlands 
Strada Rossa. Ride Report to be posted shortly...

Regards,

CZ

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 1:10:35 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:

> Corbin, the nice about New Bike What? (as opposed to NBD) is that the bike 
> has some dirt on it!
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:50:13 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Hi Rich -
>>
>> I can't take credit for the build. Mark Abele at Rivendell did it all. 
>> Including getting the frame built by Mark Nobilette and painted by Joe Bell.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> CZ
>>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Corwin, an adventurous build for an adventure bike. You must have had a 
>>> good time putting that one together. Love the result:-)))
>>> Thanks for showing it off.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 2:53:45 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Corwin. I'm a pedal snob and love lightweight SPD-type pedals, 
>>>> and there's a (earlier version?) pair of Micros on eBay for $25, but I 
>>>> just 
>>>> read reviews of the Micros and apparently their cleats and SPD cleats 
>>>> aren't compatible; too bad, since I have SPDs on all my bikes now. 
>>>>
>>>> Bike Radar weighed the Micro version they reviewed at 208 grams, 
>>>> lighter even than the old Xpedo titanium spindle pedals with 180 lb weight 
>>>> limit in my pedal stash, and a good 5 oz lighter than my go-to Dura Ace 
>>>> spds.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 12:30 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Patrick -
>>>>>
>>>>> Love the Richey Micros. They are one-sided and weighted to be in the 
>>>>> optimal position when you want to clip in.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've had lots of Schwalbe tires. I get flats on almost every ride with 
>>>>> G-Ones. But the Hurricanes have never flatted. I have them on three bikes 
>>>>> now: Hubbuhubbuh, Custom and Quickbeam. I really like the cushy ride of 
>>>>> supple tires. But a tire that flats nearly every time I ride is of no use 
>>>>> to me. Reliability is very important to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> CZ
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lovely and intriguing! Certainly an eclectic build -- that's a 
>>>>>> positive. How do you like the Hurricanes and the Ritchey Micros?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 10:42 AM John Bokman  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That ride looks like so much fun! Love the color pop of the Red 
>>>>>>> brakes on Purple frameset. Reminds me of days on my 1994 Maroon 
>>>>>>> mustached 
>>>>>>> XO-3. Also my 1990 MB2 (because it was also purple). Thanks for posting 
>>>>>>> Corwin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:30:25 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks great, and I love the color, and the fat tires with 
>>>>>>>> the Albastache combo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you win the Riv with the lowest bars award!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 2:03 AM Corwin Zechar  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's definitely not new bike day. That was back in the first week 
>>>>>>>>> of February. Not even New Bike Month. So it's New Bike Quarter?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I picked up my much anticipated and long-awaited custom 
>>>>>>>>> Rivendell last month. Some interesting aspects include:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) SRAM drop bar levers mounted on opposite sides (with respect to 
>>>>>>>>> normal drop bar mounting) on Nitto Albastache bars - as suggested by 
>>>>&

Re: [RBW] It's New Bike What?

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Rich -

I can't take credit for the build. Mark Abele at Rivendell did it all. 
Including getting the frame built by Mark Nobilette and painted by Joe Bell.

Regards,

CZ

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> Corwin, an adventurous build for an adventure bike. You must have had a 
> good time putting that one together. Love the result:-)))
> Thanks for showing it off.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 2:53:45 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Corwin. I'm a pedal snob and love lightweight SPD-type pedals, 
>> and there's a (earlier version?) pair of Micros on eBay for $25, but I just 
>> read reviews of the Micros and apparently their cleats and SPD cleats 
>> aren't compatible; too bad, since I have SPDs on all my bikes now. 
>>
>> Bike Radar weighed the Micro version they reviewed at 208 grams, lighter 
>> even than the old Xpedo titanium spindle pedals with 180 lb weight limit in 
>> my pedal stash, and a good 5 oz lighter than my go-to Dura Ace spds.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 12:30 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Patrick -
>>>
>>> Love the Richey Micros. They are one-sided and weighted to be in the 
>>> optimal position when you want to clip in.
>>>
>>> I've had lots of Schwalbe tires. I get flats on almost every ride with 
>>> G-Ones. But the Hurricanes have never flatted. I have them on three bikes 
>>> now: Hubbuhubbuh, Custom and Quickbeam. I really like the cushy ride of 
>>> supple tires. But a tire that flats nearly every time I ride is of no use 
>>> to me. Reliability is very important to me.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> CZ
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lovely and intriguing! Certainly an eclectic build -- that's a 
>>>> positive. How do you like the Hurricanes and the Ritchey Micros?
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 10:42 AM John Bokman  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That ride looks like so much fun! Love the color pop of the Red brakes 
>>>>> on Purple frameset. Reminds me of days on my 1994 Maroon mustached XO-3. 
>>>>> Also my 1990 MB2 (because it was also purple). Thanks for posting Corwin.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:30:25 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks great, and I love the color, and the fat tires with 
>>>>>> the Albastache combo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you win the Riv with the lowest bars award!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 2:03 AM Corwin Zechar  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's definitely not new bike day. That was back in the first week of 
>>>>>>> February. Not even New Bike Month. So it's New Bike Quarter?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, I picked up my much anticipated and long-awaited custom 
>>>>>>> Rivendell last month. Some interesting aspects include:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) SRAM drop bar levers mounted on opposite sides (with respect to 
>>>>>>> normal drop bar mounting) on Nitto Albastache bars - as suggested by 
>>>>>>> Bill 
>>>>>>> Lindsay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) A Fizik Aliante Gamma saddle recovered by Mick Peel in Australia 
>>>>>>> and sporting the Rivendell logo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) A Rich Lesnik built wheelset with Onyx hubs and Velocity Quill 
>>>>>>> rims.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4) SRAM rear derailer and SRAM bar-end shifters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5) Shimano Ultegra 6650 compact double crankset with TA Specialities 
>>>>>>> chainrings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6) Chris King bottom bracket with outboard bearings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7) DT Swiss skewers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8) Custom lug carving by Mark Nobilette.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9) Ritchey Micro Road pedals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 10) Tektro CX 8.4 short-pull V-brakes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The main differ

Re: [RBW] It's New Bike What?

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Patrick -

Love the Richey Micros. They are one-sided and weighted to be in the 
optimal position when you want to clip in.

I've had lots of Schwalbe tires. I get flats on almost every ride with 
G-Ones. But the Hurricanes have never flatted. I have them on three bikes 
now: Hubbuhubbuh, Custom and Quickbeam. I really like the cushy ride of 
supple tires. But a tire that flats nearly every time I ride is of no use 
to me. Reliability is very important to me.

Regards,

CZ

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lovely and intriguing! Certainly an eclectic build -- that's a positive. 
> How do you like the Hurricanes and the Ritchey Micros?
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 10:42 AM John Bokman  wrote:
>
>> That ride looks like so much fun! Love the color pop of the Red brakes on 
>> Purple frameset. Reminds me of days on my 1994 Maroon mustached XO-3. Also 
>> my 1990 MB2 (because it was also purple). Thanks for posting Corwin.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:30:25 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Looks great, and I love the color, and the fat tires with the Albastache 
>>> combo.
>>>
>>> I think you win the Riv with the lowest bars award!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 2:03 AM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's definitely not new bike day. That was back in the first week of 
>>>> February. Not even New Bike Month. So it's New Bike Quarter?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I picked up my much anticipated and long-awaited custom 
>>>> Rivendell last month. Some interesting aspects include:
>>>>
>>>> 1) SRAM drop bar levers mounted on opposite sides (with respect to 
>>>> normal drop bar mounting) on Nitto Albastache bars - as suggested by Bill 
>>>> Lindsay.
>>>>
>>>> 2) A Fizik Aliante Gamma saddle recovered by Mick Peel in Australia and 
>>>> sporting the Rivendell logo.
>>>>
>>>> 3) A Rich Lesnik built wheelset with Onyx hubs and Velocity Quill rims.
>>>>
>>>> 4) SRAM rear derailer and SRAM bar-end shifters.
>>>>
>>>> 5) Shimano Ultegra 6650 compact double crankset with TA Specialities 
>>>> chainrings
>>>>
>>>> 6) Chris King bottom bracket with outboard bearings.
>>>>
>>>> 7) DT Swiss skewers.
>>>>
>>>> 8) Custom lug carving by Mark Nobilette.
>>>>
>>>> 9) Ritchey Micro Road pedals.
>>>>
>>>> 10) Tektro CX 8.4 short-pull V-brakes.
>>>>
>>>> The main difference between my new custom and the old custom are the 
>>>> cantilever posts and lug carving.
>>>>
>>>> I can report that my new custom feels just like my old custom - 
>>>> wherever it is. I rode the bike in the Redlands Strada Rossa last Saturday 
>>>> and it performed flawlessly - despite my lack of experience on dirt roads 
>>>> and singletrack.
>>>>
>>>> A few photos illustrating the most salient aspects follow...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Corwin
>>>>
>>>> [image: drivetrain.jpg][image: carvedLugs.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] It's New Bike What?

[Corwin Zechar]

Yeah. Mark claimed no Riv customers slam the bars like me anymore.

CZ 

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:30:25 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Looks great, and I love the color, and the fat tires with the Albastache 
> combo.
>
> I think you win the Riv with the lowest bars award!
>
> Eric
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 2:03 AM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> It's definitely not new bike day. That was back in the first week of 
>> February. Not even New Bike Month. So it's New Bike Quarter?
>>
>> Anyway, I picked up my much anticipated and long-awaited custom Rivendell 
>> last month. Some interesting aspects include:
>>
>> 1) SRAM drop bar levers mounted on opposite sides (with respect to normal 
>> drop bar mounting) on Nitto Albastache bars - as suggested by Bill Lindsay.
>>
>> 2) A Fizik Aliante Gamma saddle recovered by Mick Peel in Australia and 
>> sporting the Rivendell logo.
>>
>> 3) A Rich Lesnik built wheelset with Onyx hubs and Velocity Quill rims.
>>
>> 4) SRAM rear derailer and SRAM bar-end shifters.
>>
>> 5) Shimano Ultegra 6650 compact double crankset with TA Specialities 
>> chainrings
>>
>> 6) Chris King bottom bracket with outboard bearings.
>>
>> 7) DT Swiss skewers.
>>
>> 8) Custom lug carving by Mark Nobilette.
>>
>> 9) Ritchey Micro Road pedals.
>>
>> 10) Tektro CX 8.4 short-pull V-brakes.
>>
>> The main difference between my new custom and the old custom are the 
>> cantilever posts and lug carving.
>>
>> I can report that my new custom feels just like my old custom - wherever 
>> it is. I rode the bike in the Redlands Strada Rossa last Saturday and it 
>> performed flawlessly - despite my lack of experience on dirt roads and 
>> singletrack.
>>
>> A few photos illustrating the most salient aspects follow...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> [image: drivetrain.jpg][image: carvedLugs.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: I have questions

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Leah -

I have been riding 40mm tires on my custom and 44mm tires on my Quickbeam 
and have noticed no difference in performance - only in comfort. I would 
imagine 48mm tires would be no worse in performance and slightly more 
comfortable.

Regarding the light and charging your phone - I have an Edelux II on my 
Hubbuhubbuhz. Given that my wife cannot be without her phone, we have a 
Sinewave Revolution wired directly to the Edelux II. This may eliminate the 
potential of wiring a taillight to the Edelux II - but we use rechargeable 
taillights; that's not a problem for us.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Corwin
On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 6:10:14 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have had some of the same questions tumbling about in my brain as I wait 
> for the last of the parts for my Gravel & Travel Platy. I just got back 
> from a warm and delightful weekend of cycling in Philadelphia. I, a newly 
> minted Michigander, was happy to return to the shire, and for that, I was 
> welcomed with Second Winter. 
>
> Michigan is over here, doing me dirty. 
>
> I’m prevailing upon you to humor me and answer my questions, because a lot 
> of you are having spring and flowers and sunshine, so this is the least you 
> could do!
>
> I got the 50 cm Platy to take on trips. Will fit in the van better, will 
> fit on Amtrak, be easier to shove in elevators, that sort of thing. But the 
> tires I have on hand are 48 mm Gravel Kings. They are almost new. I’m 
> considering taking a train to a ride this summer, but that means no Racing 
> Platypus, only the purple one can fit. Can 48 mm tires do a 15-17 mph road 
> ride pace? I have 42 on all my other bikes. Would 48s be slow? The ride is 
> a 2 day event, 100 miles total. I’d like to keep the tires if I could, 
> because they’re new and they are fat enough to also double as gravel tires, 
> should I decide to do a gravel ride again. But I do more road rides than 
> anything else, and if those 48s will cripple me, I’ll go back to 42s. 
> What’s the consensus?
>
> Basket straps. I have the Nitto Basket Rack and even though I’ve disliked 
> it in the past, I figure it’s pretty and I already own it and I might need 
> a front rack for travel. But do I really have to put the ugly strap from 
> bar to basket? Is the Nitto Basket Rack safer than the Mark’s Rack? I know 
> Sergio was thrown when his Mark’s Rack loosened and hit the front tire and 
> he’s missing significant chunks of front teeth! What is everyone doing 
> about their front racks?
>
> Lights. I have an Edelux light. It’s not the right color for this build, 
> but it’s perfectly good. But sometimes I think, “wouldn’t it be nice to 
> have a light that would charge your phone?” The Sinewave Beacon 2 will do 
> just that, but it sounds like it’s not a great road light. What are people 
> using to charge phones on long rides away from home?
>
> I ordered my wheels today. This, because J at the Velocity booth in Philly 
> talked me into them when he heard about the theme of my build. Here’s a 
> sneak peek.
>
> And thanks for helping me out here! It’s good to hear people’s experiences 
> and points of view!
> Leah
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Leah -

Sorry to be late to the party. I did get the Nitto 52f Basket Rack. In 
fact, I bought two. One is mounted on my Hubbuhubbuh. I have a Wald Racer 
basket zip tied to the rack. The other is mounted on the Cunningham 
Hubbuhubbuh. I really love the rack. It swallows massive loads without 
complaint. I also have a the cargo nets which I use to secure any load I 
put in the basket rack.

I was somewhat confused looking at your post, since the Nitto 52f is not 
the rack mounted to your Betty Foy as shown in the photo.

I do not have much of a problem with wheel flop. But this could be because 
I do not have a kick stand on my Hubbuhubbuh and I never used the kick 
stand on the Cunningham Hubbuhubbuh. I do not find kick stands helpful and 
do not mount them on any of my bikes.

Hope this helps,

Regards,


Corwin
On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 4:52:53 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Do did anyone get this rack and love it? I got a lot of suggestions about 
> how to stop wheel flop but I didn’t read a lot of reviews of this rack. 
> Anyone else?
> 
> I like the Velcro strap idea because it’s easy to take it off me and slap 
> it on the bike. I also think I just have to suffer the annoyance of the 
> front rack one *one* bike. I used to love my Nitto Big Front Rack from my 
> dog carrying days seen here: 
>
> [image: IMG_0488.PNG]
>
> [image: IMG_0486.PNG]
>
> I’m sure I had wheel flop. Did I not notice? Anyway, could one GET a 
> bigger basket? No. And I only had that giant rack so I could take that dog 
> along because he was such a nag. 
>
> Ok, I’ll just put the rack on because I have it and it’s pretty and it’s 
> useful. And then I’ll change my mind all over again and mess up my dyno 
> wiring and come here crying about it. This is the way.
> Leah
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2024, at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> 
>
> The best parking brake, in my opinion, is the sturdy velcro leg band off 
> my pants leg.  I have it, and don't need it on my leg, since I'm parking my 
> bike.  When I take off the parking brake it reminds me to put my leg band 
> back on :). 
>
> For steer-stopping, I keep a longer velcro strap connected to each of my 
> two tandems (one HubbuHubbuH, one beater tandem).  When I park the tandem, 
> I route the velcro strap around the down tube and the front wheel and pull 
> it tight.  Now I can lean the machine against the wall or pole or fence and 
> it stays a single rigid object, and prevents the front wheel turning.  It's 
> a good system for that task.  If "parking flop" is the entirety of the 
> problem, that's a $10 solution to "parking flop".  If "riding flop" or 
> "steering flop" is part/all of the problem, a strap won't help you.  
>
> I bought some Stout 650B tires, and strangely each tire came with this 
> curiously nice long velcro strap.  It was too nice to toss, so I looked for 
> a good reason to use it.  It's ~twice as long as a leg band.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah,
>>
>> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
>> Orange steering damper.
>>
>> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on 
>> the downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
>> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
>> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
>> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>>
>> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
>> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
>> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>>
>> Michael
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Tom,
>>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>> kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
>>>> few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
>>>> anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Corwin Zechar]

Hey Max -

If you are one of two people worldwide that run sew-ups on a Riv, I am the 
other one. I had Rich build a set of wheels for sew-ups so I could run them 
on any of four Rivs (my wife would not tolerate 33mm tires on the 
Hubbuhubbuh after riding 71mm tires).

Regards,

Corwin

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:15:09 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote:

>
> *"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:*
> *Off With 'is 'ead!!!*
> *Pure blasphemy. I love it." *
>
> Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this 
> Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build  :-) 
> BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people worldwide 
> that run sew-up tires on a Riv?.. 
>
> - Max "totally tubular" in A2
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> @Max
>> My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:
>> Off With 'is 'ead!!!
>> Pure blasphemy. I love it.
>>
>> I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels yet. 
>> You're forgiven.
>>
>> [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as far 
>> as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted to go 
>> SS for that purpose. 
>> Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and middle 
>> gears every ride.]
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic 
>>> Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way!
>>>
>>> Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back 
>>> about 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy slicks.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and wheels 
>>>> are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close behind that is 
>>>> picking a reasonably fast color): 
>>>>
>>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever 
>>>>> Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that 
>>>>> pleases 
>>>>> you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that 
>>>>> accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. 
>>>>>
>>>>> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a 
>>>>> broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will 
>>>>> it 
>>>>> be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the 
>>>>> supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a 
>>>>> group? 
>>>>> Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. 
>>>>> This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many 
>>>>> different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a 
>>>>> handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and 
>>>>> knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
>>>>> different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great 
>>>>> suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
>>>>> subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with your search!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar 
>>>>>> alternative, I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto 
>>>>>> Choco bars 
>>>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-choco-norm-bar-alu-ht-54cm-x-25-4-100mm-sleeve-tandem-162491

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Corwin Zechar]

In my opinion, the best value in Rivendell bikes for road (and occasional 
off-road) is the Ram. It has longish chainstays. Not as long as current 
models - but plenty long to support wide tires and a comfy ride. The Ram 
has a rather deep bottom bracket drop (77mm in my 60cm size). The only bike 
I have with more bottom bracket drop (and a better, more stable ride) is my 
custom at 80mm. The Ram has a 2.0 degree upsloping top tube and the 
characteristic tall head tube lug. This is great if you want (like Grant) 
to get the bars up. Not as great if (like me) you want to slam the bars. 
Whereas the Sam (and other current models) have a 6.0 degree upsloping top 
tube. This makes it much easier to get the bars up.

The Roadeo geometry is similar to the Ram. The Roadeo has a 2.0 degree 
upsloping top tube and the characteristic Rivendell tall head lug. The 
Roadeo has a 75mm bottom bracket drop (in my size). I am not cognizant of 
the specs - but I think the Roadeo has lighter tubes.

My take is that if you want to get your bars up - buy a Sam. If you prefer 
a much less upright posture, buy a Ram. I admit that buying a Ram is easier 
said than done. However if you are on this list, you already have a head 
start on an important character trait required to acquire a Ram - patience. 
Rams appear on this list, Craigslist, Ebay, etc. periodically. You need to 
keep your eyes peeled for what you want and beat the bushes!

I got my Ram this way. A first generation cream-sicle Ram in excellent 
condition from the previous owner that passed into the great beyond. I 
joined the precursor to this list (before the Google Group) in '97. I have 
watched lots of bikes come and go. Many, many Rivendells.

Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about what you 
want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the differences. 
And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a Ram.

Regards,

Corwin
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 5:28:11 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Roadeo would be its direct descendant in a lighter frame handbuilt by Mark 
> Nobilette. The other sidepull-brake frames qualify but they're not classic 
> flat-toptube road bikes. 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 5:20:44 PM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Lots of love for the Rambouillet here! What would be the comparable model 
>> in the current lineup? 
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:40:28 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, Rambouillet is the best!
>>> [image: IMG_8283_Original.jpeg]
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patrick -
>>>>
>>>> You forgot the Ram!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Corwni
>>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
>>>>> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
>>>>> (Rivendell 
>>>>> ought to offer it!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
>>>>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology 
>>>>>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>>>>>> rides 
>>>>>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to 
>>>>>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that 
>>>>>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone 
>>>>>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and 
>>>>>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>>>>>> choice, 
>>>>>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini 
>>>>>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>>>>>> me. 
>>>>>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>>>>>> size. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like the bike to work well wit

[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Corwin Zechar]

I'll second the recommendation of White Industries hubs. Phil Wood is also 
a great option if you want your hubs to last forever.

Regards,

Corwin
On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 3:26:15 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for 
> something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. 
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front 
>> wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.
>>> Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and Velocity 
>>> Dyads.
>>> For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable 
>>> and reasonably cheap.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Corwin Zechar]

Patrick -

You forgot the Ram!

Regards,

Corwni
On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>
> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
> Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell 
> ought to offer it!)
>
> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
> road/roady-ish bikes
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  wrote:
>
>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
>> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a 
>> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
>> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
>> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
>> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
>> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
>> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
>> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
>> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
>> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>>
>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the multiple 
>> hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike with swept 
>> bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. And when 
>> riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was going to 
>> catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe there's a 
>> handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?
>>
>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 24 updates in 8 topics

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John Dewey : Jan 30 05:45PM -0800

Troop 21 BSA, many Lake Mills campouts. We even rode our 3-speeds with 
gear

one time.

Brain workin’ hard today, whew  And this after cold dark wet NorCal ride
this aft. I need a long hot shower & nap.

Jock





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[RBW] Re: Schmidt Dyno

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Jock -

I had a Schmidt K179 6V-3W Dyno hub many years ago on my original custom. 
As I recall, I paid about $200 for it. Given the availability of the SON 
Deluxe dyno hub, I would pay about $100 - the middle of the range of a 
Shimano DH-3N72 dyno hub. I've also had the Shimano and currently have a 
couple SON Deluxe hubs.

I've never noticed a difference in drag or output from any of the hubs when 
using the same headlight. Of course I'm a guy that bent the Campy 
chainrings on my Raleigh International just from pedaling.

Regards,


Corwin

On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 12:15:49 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> Y'all, seeking collective wisdom.
>
> What's a new Schmidts K179 6V-3W Dyno hub worth? 
>
> I have one 4 sale, it's takeoff with no evidence of wear / tear @ 32 hole. 
> Not NOS but might a well be.
>
> Best / Jock
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Mainstream press article pushing steel bike?

[Corwin Zechar]

I think Eben Weiss is mainstream. He's owned and ridden carbon bikes. And 
he rides a lot. I think "mainstream" in the context of cylcing encompasses 
a broad spectrum from racer wanna-be's to parents with kids in trailers or 
child seats to people carrying heavy loads on all kinds of bikes.

I don't think of myself as mainstream because I have never and will never 
consider riding carbon. Not that I'm a snob - just that I prefer my steel 
bikes.

Regards,

Corwin

On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 6:41:31 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> My favorite quote:
>
> Unless you spend more time carrying your bike than riding it, a slight 
> weight reduction is utterly meaningless, and foregoing a nice steel bike 
> because the carbon one is lighter is like choosing a single $50 bill over 
> twenty $5 bills because the fifty is easier to fit in your wallet.
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 12:13 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/opinion/theres-no-good-reason-to-buy-a-carbon-bike/?fbclid=IwAR2uIwBwz29AqiFhiVs5TTjdXw2HDNApUOMVh51foKzayEp1u_vB5UMltqU
>>
>> Never thought I'd see this.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Corwin Zechar]

I used to ride 6 miles to MacArthur BART, put my bike in a locker I rented, 
and hop on a train. In San Francisco, I walked a mile to Caltrain, hopped 
on another train and get off at Hillsdale. Then I would get my beater bike 
out of another rented locker and ride 4 miles to my office in Redwood 
Shores.

I think the country is inching toward multi-modal transportation, but it 
may be a long time before we see anything significant.

Regards,

Corwin

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 6:26:12 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> Amen, broke.  When I was still working in the city I used to ride the bike 
> the 2 miles or so the station, take the train downtown, and walk the 4 or 5 
> blocks to the office.  Why others would insist on driving the 25-30 miles 
> in bumper-to-bumper stop/go traffic and then pay big bucks for a monthly 
> parking garage fee was something I never understood.
>
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 7:22:07 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It’s unfortunate that this country never has, and never will embrace 
>> multi-modal transportation. Just think of all the biking possibilities that 
>> could be available to so many more of us, and not just those who live in 
>> major metropolitan areas. 
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2024, at 8:00 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Yes, you remember rightly, George. This was why I had to get a 50 cm 
>> Platy (still waiting for parts to be built) - so that I could put it on 
>> Amtrak; the 55 is just too long. And even then the 50 will be a tight fit, 
>> and you can only have so many bikes on the train, and there’s some other 
>> dumb rules that may or may not be enforced when we get there. It’s not a 
>> bulletproof plan. Marc does it with a Brompton.
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 11:54 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> I hate to throw a wet blanket on this idea, but wasn't there some 
>> discussion on this forum a while back about taking bikes on Amtrak, which 
>> trains allow them and which ones don't, where and how they store the bikes, 
>> etc?  Not sure if that was ever resolved for this route. Has anyone done 
>> this before on this Amtrak Wolverine route?
>>
>> On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 10:42:00 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Marc! You want to do this with me, I’m sure!
>>> The Lone Wolf and The Platypus Rider Ride Across Two States. I can see 
>>> it now.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah, 
>>>
>>>  The ride from Millenium Park sounds like the route I've taken 
>>> several times to and from Chicago, using Indiana Dunes as one of the 
>>> overnights.  It would be a good ride, you could take Amtrak to Chicago and 
>>> return on Amtrak from New Buffalo.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 9:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>>> Leif, I could do this It’s Father’s day weekend, so that is the 
>>>> only possible snag. I’m going to try and make this ride! Thank you!!!
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 8:27 PM, Leif Eckstrom  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Leah, and midwestern riders, 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There’s a well-planned and well-executed ride from Chicago’s Millenium 
>>>> Park to New Buffalo, MI, spread out over 2 days, totalling about 100 miles 
>>>> all told. June 14-15 (Friday and Saturday).  Hundreds of friendly 
>>>> riders—most camp the first night at Indiana Dunes state park, but hotels 
>>>> are another option. Easy pace. Easy route. Food and sag support. 
>>>> There are a number of Ragbrai riders who attend this ride from chicago. 
>>>> Perhaps they could give you a taste of ragbrai without all the logistical 
>>>> headaches. 
>>>> I had a lot of fun last year on this ride and made plenty of new 
>>>> friends. Registration opens Sunday, February 11. There are busses and 
>>>> moving trucks to take you, your luggage, and your bike back to chicago 
>>>> should you like. 
>>>>
>>>> More details here. https://www.bikereg.com/63763
>>>>
>>>> Best, 
>>>> Leif in Chicago
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading 
>>>>> about the various e

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

[Corwin Zechar]

I'm not a fan of long wheelbase bikes either. Although - amusingly, I have 
definitely spent more time on my Hubbuhubbuh and the Cunningham Hubbuhubbuh 
than all my other bikes put togeter.

Try finding a longer wheelbase bike than a Hubbuhubbuh.

Regards,


Corwin

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 12:15:06 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and sweet. 
> And  they all having such a good time. 
>
> Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my switch. 
> This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it. Rather odd I 
> suppose. 
>
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM eddietheflay  wrote:
>
>> All those guys wearing those hats look like a cult :).
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:32:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 
>>> VS--YouTube-BrooksEnglandTheB68isbackftRivendellBicycleWorks-0’45”.jpg]
>>>
>>> Brooks just released the 16mm film they made with the Rivendell staff 
>>> :0) Quite fun! 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIryCWhgBc
>>>
>>> The saddles are now available from Brooks! 
>>> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/b68.html
>>>
>>> I wonder if this means we can buy a B68 directly from Rivendell now? 
>>> Seems like Riv was holding back for Brooks to launch the revived saddle. 
>>>
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[RBW] Brooks B68 Video

[Corwin Zechar]

I no longer ride Brooks saddles, but I am a big fan of this video 
<https://rivbike.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=ad1569fa93a2ab2374ead2fde=a8df5da3db=74457a5080>.
 
My new custom is enshrined in it. Apparently Mark had it in the stand when 
Brian came around filming. You can tell that it's not a purple Platypus as 
it has an RBW custom head badge and is fitted with Tektro red anodized 
V-brakes.

Look for it at 0:51 seconds.

Regards,

Corwin

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[RBW] Redlands Strada Rossa

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi -

Anybody here planning to ride the Redlands Strada Rossa? Happens on 
Saturday, March 16th this year. There are 40, 65 and 90 mile gravel routes. 
Check it out here <https://www.stradarossa.com/>.

Used to be a guy named David - a teacher in the Redlands area, prolific 
poster in this group - often rode the Redlands Strada Rossa.

No posts from David in almost four years.

Anyway, I'm planning to ride the Strada Rossa. I have family down south 
(plus a lot of history in the Redlands area in the 80s and 90s) and need to 
retrieve some stuff relatively near-by. Hoping my Rivendell custom is ready 
by then, but planning to ride my orange Ram if not.

Regards,

Corwin


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[RBW] Grizzly Peak Century

[Corwin Zechar]

I just registered for the Grizzly Peak Century (San Francisco Bay Area - 
East Bay). I've ridden it in the past, but it's been a few years. They now 
have several new routes with a couple gravel routes as well.

I rode the three bears yesterday afternoon. (Sorry, no pics.) It was both 
easier and harder than I remembered. Easier because after captaining a 
tandem for several years, my legs have actually gotten stronger and I can 
use bigger gears on hills. Harder because the hills seemed longer, and they 
just keep coming. I will admit I had to drop into the pedestrian gear on 
Baby Bear. The last part was just a little bit too steep.

Anybody else gonna ride the Grizzly Peak Century this year?

Please forgive the cross-post to the iBOB list.

Regards,


Corwin

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[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Corwin Zechar]

I have not ridden RAGBRAI. I have heard lots about it from people on this 
list as well as Jacquie Phelan. Jacquie and Charlie rode RAGBRAI several 
years ago. There is support for disabled people at RAGBRAI. Even to the 
extent of special meals and lodging. Jacquie was very encouraging about me 
riding RAGBRAI with my disabled wife.

So I sent the disabled group an email message. No response. I admit I was 
somewhat skeptical things would work out given the meals described to me 
were well outside the low-carb requirements of my wife's diet. I would 
still ride RAGBRAI this year if I could get the disabled support people to 
respond. The distances are within my wife's capabilities and I trust the 
hills are no tougher than the stuff we have in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Anyway, have a great ride Leah!

Regards,

Corwin

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 3:33:07 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 
>
> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure 
> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene 
> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even 
> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>
> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a 
> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state 
> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike 
> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with 
> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the 
> others?
>
> Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of 
> dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. 
> This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many 
> riders moving through tiny host towns.
>
> I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really 
> is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s 
> Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.
>
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: RBW HQ visit

[Corwin Zechar]

I have a custom in progress - came back from Joe Bell's a couple months 
ago. Mark and I have been gathering parts since then. I usually go a couple 
times a month. I call or email beforehand to make sure a visit is OK on the 
day I plan. So far, there was only a problem on the day they were shooting 
video for an ad.

I would call ahead. Try to talk to Will. Tell him you want to come. Tell 
him when you want to come. Ask if there are any problems. Then call again a 
week before you arrive just to double check.

I have also been there on Saturdays. Usually not a lot of people - but 
sometimes you get lucky. I have run into Grant on Saturdays. James, Antonio 
and Harry are likely suspects as well. If you want to talk to Rich, be sure 
to show up on a Tuesday or Thursday. If you want to talk to Mark, come 
Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday. And be prepared for some of the people you 
want to see to be off on vacation, sick, etc.

Regards,

Corwin

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 6:18:56 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:

> If you can swing it, the Mike Plumpatire is a nice pick up item. I ended 
> up mailing one to Oakland that I had bought for my son, I’m in Los Angeles, 
> so I just kept the extra one to keep at work. They are really efficient, 
> and have the double head for Presta / Schrader
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 6:08:05 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> And in all fairness my aesthetic is like crossing a classy Rivendell bike 
>> with a Lisa Frank Trapper Keeper from the 90s... so his observations are 
>> fair. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey y'all
>>>
>>> I am planning a trip to SF in March, and was thinking of visiting HQ in 
>>> Walnut Creek. I have two Rivs, and no real need to visit, except that I am 
>>> a huge fan of the brand, the employees, the culture, etc. It's always been 
>>> a dream of mine to visit and meet some/all of the crew.
>>>
>>> My dream visit consists of, show up, shoot the shit with the whole crew, 
>>> get a mini tour, and ride off into the sunset on a group ride. I understand 
>>> this is not the reality, and that you need an appointment to go on a 
>>> weekday, and that Saturdays there's likely only 2-4 people there. So I 
>>> would like to hear some experiences of the reality. Has anyone made the 
>>> pilgrimage to RBWHQ "just because"? Did you make an appointment? Go on a 
>>> Saturday?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations

[Corwin Zechar]

I’m partial to the Schwabe Hurricanes. Mine are wider at 2.4 inches. They 
have never flatted on me, and are just now starting to show some wear after 
three and a half years and more than 2000 miles.

I should add that these Hurricanes are mounted on my tandem and endure lots 
of abuse. I feel comfortable riding dirt roads with these tires, but do not 
get the chance to go off pavement often based on objections from my stoker.

I also have a set of Schwabe G-Ones, and like them a lot - but not as much 
as the Hurricanes. Durability, reliability and puncture resistance are 
particularly important to me. I rarely get flats running Schwabe tires. I 
have tried tires fro various other manufacturers such as Rene Herse, 
Panaracer, Continental, etc. with much less favorable results.

Regards,


Corwin in The S.F. Bay Area.

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:03:39 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> I use and like the Schwalbe Marathon Almotion in 55mm. They also make it 
> in 50mm width. They make two variations, one intended for use with tubes 
> (V-Guard) and the other as tubeless (RaceGuard). The V-Guard version is 
> almost 200g lighter.
>
> https://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/marathon-almotion
>
> Nick Payne
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[RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

[Corwin Zechar]

Late to the party here - but I think getting in over your head is one of 
the most exciting things about life.

I find myself getting in over my head at nearly every opportunity.

I've been on club rides where guys twenty years older than me rode away 
from me going uphill, and downhill!

I've ridden a tandem up places like Mt Tam with a half-blind stoker and 
gotten caught in the dark.

I've studied and taught martial arts where a critical part of moving up in 
rank is defending yourself in a "freestyle", where progressively more - 
first time, one; next time, two, etc. until you get to five attackers - run 
at you trying to beat the stuffing out of you. The freestyle was always my 
favorite part of training.

I've been diving at depths of more than 100 feet in places like Lake Tahoe, 
the Pacific and Caribbean Ocean.

I've singlehanded a 50' sailboat in the Caribbean with only my disabled 
wife aboard.

I've been rafting on rivers where others lose their lives.

In order to maintain health insurance, I recently took a job that regularly 
requires me to climb a belt loader (a conveyor belt mounted on wheels) up 
an incline of about 45 degrees to a height of 20 feet and climb into an 
aircraft and unload and/or load bags. The most difficult part is closing 
things up. The veterans like to lower the belt loader to make it easier to 
close the aircraft door. When you're standing on an incline, 20 feet off 
the ground focused on securing the door, the first time someone lowers the 
belt loader, it is truly terrifying.

One of the earliest instances of getting in over my head was during my 
first teaching job, at a high school in the San Fernando Valley. I had made 
it through an undergraduate degree in mathematics without actually 
understanding logarithms. In calculus (and other subjects), various topics 
require manipulating logarithmic expressions. I learned the mechanics of 
these manipulations - but without ever understanding the essence of 
logarithms.

Imagine my heightened excitement on the day we encountered logarithms 
teaching my Algebra II class. As was my custom, I never prepared lesson 
plans (still don't). I merely explained all the tenets of the topic of 
interest, expounded at length on the subtleties, applications, etc. and 
then did several problems.

On that fateful day, I opened the book and discovered we were to discuss 
logarithms. My eyes widened and my pulse raced as I scanned the discussion 
in the book. Miraculously, the essence of the relationships between base, 
exponent and logarithm flashed before my eyes instantaneously providing me 
with a complete understanding of the topic. I proceeded with my usual 
demonstration and discussion of the topic, did several problems, answered 
questions and assigned homework.

It's been more than forty years since that day. I've taught many classes in 
math, physics, computer science, and martial arts. I have never had such a 
revelation since.

I try to get in over my head at every opportunity. I think it offers the 
best chance of learning something.

Regards,


Corwin

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 6:13:53 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I just want to talk bikes. I don’t have anything to post FS or WTB…I just 
> want to tell Riv people this dumb story that happened this morning. You can 
> laugh or you can roll your eyes, or you can chime in with your own dumb 
> story of getting in over your own dumb heads.
>
> This is my second season of club riding. I was new to it last year, and 
> now that our weather is finally cooperating, I’m back.
>
> Last week, our bike club started a new ride. It would be on Monday 
> mornings and only 5 miles from my house. The pace was to be 
> “conversational” which I took to mean ‘riding at a pace you can still have 
> a conversation at.’ (I now know that could not be what it meant.) The route 
> would be new. The details were fuzzy - word was, the ride leader would make 
> decisions about pace and miles once people arrived. Now, I know Platypuses 
> are not going to fare well in the 18-21 mph crowd, but I knew that two 
> women upwards of 70 did this ride last week. I figured I’d be fine.
>
> I was the second to arrive; the first being the president of our bike 
> club. He was pulling his gravel bike out of his truck. He’s a roadie and he 
> leads the 17-18 mph groups. Hmmm.  We’re friendly; I’m glad to know one 
> person on the ride, but if he is here, how fast are we going? Two more 
> people arrive; both men, roadies, and they pull jet-black, lethal-looking, 
> feather-light carbon bikes from their vehicles. They are strangers to me.
>
> Ok, well, it’s going to be fine. Who cares if you’re the only woman. So 
> what if you’re wearing your pink pants. Clutching the wide, sweepy bars of 
> your sparkly pink Platypus. Their eyes are hidden behind their Oakleys, and 
> I imagine what they are t

Re: [RBW] FS 62 cm 2022 MIT Atlantis 4100 OBO

[Corwin Zechar]

Actually, there is one more candidate in the long-pull drop bar brake lever 
category: Dia-Compe 287V levers.

I have a pair. Rivendell has sold them recently as well 
<https://www.rivbike.com/products/brake-levers-drop-bar-dc-v-linear-long-pull>
.

I suggested to Grant that a market exists for a drop bar lever that can 
switch between long and short pull (based on moving the pivot - ala Paul 
Duplex levers). Grant was not inclined toward that idea.

Regards,

Corwin
On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 7:27:45 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Someone should scoop this up! I have a 2022 MIT Atlantis and dig it. 
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 3:03:41 PM UTC-8 e.q.s...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Tekro makes the only pair of drop bar long pull levers. I believe the 
>> model is RL520. I love the XTR V-Brake and I have them on my bridgestone. I 
>> had this bike set up with Tosco bars and there was nowhere near enough 
>> reach for me. Unfortunately, youll have to go with bar-end shifters or 
>> downtube shifters if you go that route. I dont think youll be happy with 
>> the braking if you dont use a long pull lever though. 
>> RE: cliffhangers. Grant has said that there's no need for msw's but I see 
>> what youre saying. Ive only put approx. 200 miles on the bike and it has 
>> been fine for me. I think the rims themselves are a little heavy, but if 
>> you're wanting to do touring they're really a great option. 
>>
>> Personally, this bike's utility was covered by bikes I already own ( A 
>> riv rambouillet for road/rando, and a bridgestone XO-2 for 
>> commuting/touring). I think I really just wanted a full rigid MTB, which 
>> this is not. 
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 4:44 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Emmet:
>>>
>>> Set-up question for ya. I like direction you took your Atlantis build 
>>> (I'm in middle of building a 62 myself). I'm strongly considering exactly 
>>> that route. How do the road brake levers work with the v-brakes? I've read 
>>> road levers don't have enough pull for v-bakes to provide good breaking. 
>>> What's your experience, since your set-up is just that?
>>>
>>> I'm wanting to run Ultegra 600 brifters with XTR v-brakes to get a 
>>> set-up with a cockpit, brakes, and plump tires; like your (for now) 
>>> Atlantis.
>>>
>>> Your thoughts, please?
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 02:10:33 PM MST, Emmet Sheehan <
>>> e.q.s...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Since someone else already posted it, I'd figure i'd put it up here. Can 
>>> maybe do a better deal if I sell it here instead of Ebay, shoot me an offer?
>>>
>>> I’m selling my 2022 MIT 62cm Atlantis built at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown 
>>> (that I posted here a couple months ago). Take a look! 
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wkeNcXbQJR1VStvPA
>>>
>>> Build highlights:
>>> Velocity Cliffhangers 36h - silver rear hub, son dynamo in front
>>> Towel Rack bars with Tekro long pull/shimano brakes
>>> 3x9 drivetrain, silver cranks, deore rear, sun xcd front
>>> Asking 4100 shipped and insured OBO
>>> Never fell in love with this like I thought I would, wasn’t quite 
>>> perfect for twisty, technical singletrack I was wanting, and I have several 
>>> other commuting/touring bikes. It is truly a jack of all trades and someone 
>>> will love it. Maybe you!
>>>
>>> -Emmet
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Re: [RBW] Widest tires on green Quickbeam?

[Corwin Zechar]

I have run 38mm Schwalbe Marathon Supreme Duremes under SKS longboards on 
my green Quickbeam. I think they were P45s. Given that the widest tire I am 
aware of fitting on a Quickbeam (also green) was 44mm, this seems correct.

Regards,


Corwin

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:36:17 AM UTC-8 Dave Grossman wrote:

> I have 42 Soma Grand Vitesse on currently.  I tried Big Apples once but 
> couldn't get them to fit.  I wonder if clearance is much difference between 
> colors at all?  I have a pair of Snoqualmies from my recently sold Homer 
> that I will try once the weather gets nicer.  In the winter I run 35 
> Marathon supremes and fenders and its worked great.  I have Belgiums so I 
> suppose I am maxing out width as well with those.
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:34:13 AM UTC-6 Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for reviving this thread! I started at the beginning, and when I 
>> saw Clayton’s post, I looked at the date. “A… that makes sense.”
>>
>> You revised your question to ask about max fender widths.
>> I run 52mm aluminum Velocity Orange Zeppelins over 38mm RH tires on my 
>> 2004 green Quickbeam. The fenders are crimped a bit to pass between the 
>> chain stays, but not at the seat stays or under the fork. I like the longer 
>> coverage for the chain in front, and I like to be able to wheel the bike 
>> around vertically on the rear tire. Setting the rear fender up normally 
>> shouldn’t need any crimping.
>>
>> I just changed my 37mm tires to these 38s, and had to flip a mounting 
>> bolt for more clearance under the bridge: 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/ClkhqIjr9oU/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=
>> The new tires freshen up the bike, and I should probably straighten or 
>> replace the decade-old stays and add PDW releases:  
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/ClKbS02PGoN/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=
>>
>> I would not put a bigger tire under metal fenders on this bike. Without 
>> fenders, my biggest tire was a 45mm Smoke  with the side knobs cut off. The 
>> hassle there isn’t worth the reward to me, and a (~43?) Bruce Gordon 
>> Rock’n’Road is as big as I’d go in the future. 
>>
>> Philip
>> Sonoma County, Calif 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 11:57:55 AM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>>
>>> My experience too, Eric; thanks.  
>>>
>>> Perhaps the question I should be asking: what's the widest *fender* 
>>> that Quickbeamers reliably run without too much heroics in home-surgery 
>>> fender modifications?  --Will
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 2:29 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
>>>> In my experience (not on a QB) 45mm fenders over 37 or 38mm tires might 
>>>> work, but it’s very fiddly. A minor bump or misadjustment and something 
>>>> will rub. 
>>>>
>>>> A good rule of thumb is max tire = fender -10mm, so 35mm tires for 45mm 
>>>> fenders.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2022, Will M  wrote:
>>>>
>>> Hi all.  Revisiting an oldish thread.  What's the biggest tire you 
>>>>> Quickbeamers are running with SKS P45 longboard feders?  I have an orange 
>>>>> 62cm Quickbeam and wanted to try 700x38mm tires with my P45s.  It's 
>>>>> pretty 
>>>>> clear that the Quickbeam can take 'em.  It's less clear if the P45 
>>>>> longboards can.  (Websites such as REI 
>>>>> <https://www.rei.com/product/871102/sks-p45-chromoplastic-longboard-fender-set>,
>>>>>  
>>>>> etc., say max tire width = 37mm, yet RBW says 
>>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/sks-esge-longboard-fender-p45> 38mm).  
>>>>> Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will M
>>>>> -NYC 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 11:53:35 PM UTC-4 grant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can measure the chainstay width, inside-2-inside, at the point 
>>>>>> where the tire passes, then figure howevermany millimeters you're 
>>>>>> comfortable with for clearance (four is a fine minimum-and the Japanese 
>>>>>> standard, Times 2 that's 8.). Then do the negative arithmetic, and 
>>>>>> blammo--there's your max tire. 
>>>>>> (I know those who ride less than four. if the tire is big and cushy, 
>>>>>> the wheel whill probably stay true forever. Why would it not?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> G
>>>>>>
&

[RBW] Re: What dual short/long pull brake levers are out there?

[Corwin Zechar]

Paul has a lever that's a little overkill for you. It's called the duplex 
lever 
<https://www.paulcomp.com/product-category/components/brake-levers/dual-pull/>. 
If you look at the picture, it gives you an excellent idea of the 
difference between short and long pull levers. It's all in the placement of 
the pivot point. Longer pivot means more cable pull. The duplex lever will 
actually actuate both brakes simultaneously. The duplex lever is made for 
bike polo. So you can ride with one hand and hit the ball (via a long 
handled mallet) with the other.

Another option would be to get two levers - one short pull and one long 
pull - such as the Paul Love lever and the Paul Canti lever. These are 
pricey options, I admit - but stuff like this can often be had for much 
less than the MSRP if you look in places like eBay.

Good luck with your build.

Corwin

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:42:43 PM UTC-8 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Howdy all,
>
> I'm in need of a matching pair of brake levers that are interchangeable 
> between short pull and long pull. Because of a front rack non-compatibility 
> issue with my current canti brakes, I'll have to use a v-brake in front, 
> but I'd to keep the canti brake in the rear.
>
> I'm aware of the Shimano BLR780 which Riv sells, but ideally I'd like 
> something with a longer lever body. Does anyone know of any other levers, 
> by Shimano or any other brand, that has the criteria that I'm looking for? 
> Thanks,
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 1985 Ritchey Ascent (XXL/23”) – $1300

[Corwin Zechar]

If that's a Suntour roller cam brake, it would have been designed by 
Charlie Cunningham.

Regards,

Corwin

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:25:10 AM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

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[RBW] Re: FS: Reyn Spooner, MUSA shorts, gloves, wool, cashmere

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Eric -

Not sure why you say you understand why no one wants it. I would wear it if 
it were my size.

I think it would fit my friend Charlie Cunningham.

If you still have the Costco Cashmere, please send it to me.

Let me know if I can send you some funds to cover postage.

Charlie and Jacquie love to get sweaters - especially Cashmere. And this is 
the right time of year!

Regards,


Corwin

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 6:00:58 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Everything is gone 
>
> except the 
>
> FREE
>
> Costco 
>
> Cashmere 
>
> O la la! 
>
> Okay, I understand why no one wants it! 
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 11:05:41 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone. I have a few things for sale and a few things for free 
>> today. 
>>
>> Prices below do not include actual shipping to you. All prices are net to 
>> me, PayPal Friends & Family or Venmo.
>>
>> Pictures are here. 
>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Hv0lXusJkj4-1rUTzS0QTyssrvlqoK5h?usp=sharing>
>>
>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Hv0lXusJkj4-1rUTzS0QTyssrvlqoK5h?usp=sharing>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> 01. Reyn Spooner pullover, $25
>> Made in Hawaii, blend of cotton and poly. Nice tight floral print. It's a 
>> pullover with a chest pocket, doesn't button all the way down. These have 
>> appeared in the Riv blog and tumblr in the past and maybe Harry has like 70 
>> of them? It's 23" pit to pit and 30" from top of shoulder to bottom hem. 
>>
>> 02. Rivendell MUSA shorts, $40
>> These are a size small and they have been modified for a 6" inseam. Much 
>> less baggy than the standard-issue Riv MUSA shorts as a result. The MUSA 
>> label was lost in the process. While labeled a small I'm a 34" waist and 
>> these fit, a little snug but I did not find them uncomfortable. Good 
>> elastic in the belt. Button missing from rear right pocket, other button 
>> intact. Front pockets are nylon, not mesh like more recent versions. No 
>> issues. Reflectors at back.
>>
>> 03. Bear Bottom shorts, $10
>> A cotton and spandex blend, these have a 5.5" inseam. Pretty trim fit 
>> (not billowy). Lots of stretch at the waist, they measure 13" laid flat. 
>> I'm a 34" waist and they fit me. Good as non-kit riding shorts. 
>>
>> 04. Pearl Izumi Gavia gloves, $15
>> These are in nice shape, labeled a size large. Here's the description 
>> from manufacturer: "Designed with AmFIB® and AmFIB® Block fabric 
>> combination for water and wind protection the Pearl izumi Gavia Glove is a 
>> versatile glove for cooler weather. Made with a Silicone screened palm for 
>> ultimate performance grip and articulated with a Neoprene stretch wrist 
>> gusset for ease of movement. This glove offers both flexibility and comfort 
>> with a low-profile wrist closure and locking zipper. The soft Microfleece 
>> wiping surface makes for easy maintenance.Contents: 60% Nylon / 25% 
>> Polyester / 5% Neoprene / 5% Synthetic Leather / 5% Polyurethane." 
>>
>> 05. Costco/Kirkland Cashmere, free for shipping
>> It's a size medium, 100% cashmere sweater. With plenty of holes! Lots of 
>> holes. More than you're thinking. Still a nice soft layer, good for fall. 
>> Pit to pit is 22", overall length is 27". I got this used, it came with the 
>> holes, I store my wool properly. 
>>
>> 06. Smartwool balaclava, free for shipping
>> It's a 100% merino wool balaclava with lots of holes! I inserted a map to 
>> try and highlight the holes. I've worn this in the cold and the holes don't 
>> actually seem to be a problem. I got this used, it came with the holes. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] New Fork Paint Options!

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Matthew -

That paint job looks really great!

I have a frame at Joe Bell's that I need a color for. I got a look at the 
DuPont Imron color chart - but my understanding is that Imron is no longer 
available. Joe Bell can literally duplicate any color - but I did not see a 
lot of options in the range I was looking for.

Can you give me an idea of where you got your Pantone chips from?

Thanks,


Corwin

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 11:45:05 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Thanks!
>
> I took another look at the Pantone chips. PMS 126 is the closest match.
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2022, at 11:28 AM, brizbarn  wrote:
>
> that looks great! love the appaloosa fork. excited to see it built up.
>
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 8:54:47 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Gotcha. 
>> Well, it turned out great.
>> Love that you have some touch up too.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 8:31 PM Matthew Williams  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! Pantone 7558 is the closest, but Rick matched the color to the 
>>> frame.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 6:44 PM, Keith P.  wrote:
>>>
>>> It just looks dynamite Matthew!
>>> What a fantastic color.
>>>
>>> I can't wait to see it built up.
>>>
>>> I'm on the edge of my chromatic seat though. Which did you end up going 
>>> with?! 126 or 7558?
>>> (My guess is the latter)
>>>
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 3:59:00 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone, 
>>>>
>>>> I just got my fork back from Rick, at D Cycles. After a lot of color 
>>>> explorations, I decided to paint the fork to match the frame--I like 
>>>> the butterscotch/mustard/antique gold color more than I realized!
>>>>
>>>> I gave Rick the frame and a Pantone chip so he could match the color. I 
>>>> found four possible Pantone matches: 126, 132, 7557, and 7558. Of the 
>>>> four, 
>>>> PMS 126 and 7558 appear to be the closest match in both shade and 
>>>> direct sunlight, despite my iPhone camera’s claim to the contrary.
>>>>
>>>> Rick did a fantastic job. Rick absolutely nailed the color, he gave me 
>>>> some leftover paint for touch-ups, and Rivendell picked up the tab. 
>>>> Thanks to Vince & crew at Rivendell, and thanks to Rick for the terrific 
>>>> work.
>>>>
>>>> I’ll rebuild her over the winter so she’s ready to ride in the spring.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: comparison_4682.jpg][image: forkcrown_4661.jpg][image: 
>>>> forks_4660.jpg][image: forks_4663.jpg][image: pantone_4677.jpg][image: 
>>>> touchup_4664.jpg]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

[Corwin Zechar]

Late to the party - but

My favorite non-drop bars for any length ride are Albastache. Close second 
are Mustache bars. Not much difference between the two. Albastache are a 
little wider and have slightly less drop. I find it hard to tell the 
difference when switching between bikes though. Mustache bars can be had 
from suppliers other than Riv.

Corwin

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:20:30 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Thanks for the replies. I guess the answer is... all of the above!
>
> Billie, Choco, Albatross, Bosco, and some non-Riv options.
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 11:39:57 AM UTC-6 David Pulsipher wrote:
>
>> Albatross for everything. Have done four day tours with them, and short 
>> rides. Everything in between. Super super comfortable.
>>
>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 10:23:36 AM UTC-6 larson@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In the past I have ridden mostly with drop bars and still do. I have 
>>> done some touring with Jones loop bars, and like them very much. This 
>>> spring I built up my first Riv, an Appaloosa, and chose Billie bars. I have 
>>> come to believe these bars are the most comfortable of any bar I have 
>>> tried. I have ridden up to about 60 miles, usually mixed terrain, and have 
>>> no soreness in hands, shoulders or neck. I think that the flex in these 
>>> bars with a quill stem is one of the factors. I tried bullmoose bars and 
>>> liked them for off-road riding, but much stiffer and overall less 
>>> comfortable for me.
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:58:24 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been waiting what feels like forever for those Billie bars to 
>>>> come back in stock Eric! I like the Better sco quite a bit, but the 
>>>> forward 
>>>> position isn’t great for me. Still very comfortable overall though. Just 
>>>> can’t wait to try the Billie! I have the Albatross on my Clem H and they 
>>>> are great, slightly more width and room to move should make them even 
>>>> better. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:21:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am happy to report that the 55 wide Bosco has proved itself for me. 
>>>>> I routinely go 40’ish miles of mixed surface & as far as 60. I have felt 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> fresh at the end of these rides as at the start. I have no doubt that it 
>>>>> (Bosco) is but one component of the Clem recipe; geometry, long & high 
>>>>> stem, plush tires.., it seems a perfect blend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle 
>>>>> (which I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
>>>>> Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
>>>>> Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but 
>>>>> with a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
>>>>> Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, 
>>>>> around 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best 
>>>>>> for rides longer than say, 15 miles?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a 
>>>>>> bit, what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run 
>>>>>> bike errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting 
>>>>>> for 
>>>>>> most of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a 
>>>>>> proven 
>>>>>> winner for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides 
>>>>>> further 
>>>>>> afield and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem 
>>>>>> is I 
>>>>>> only have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to 
>>>>>> go 
>>>>>&g

Re: [RBW] Thinking about getting a 62 Quickbeam

[Corwin Zechar]

That is indeed a nice Quickbeam. Still shod with the original Suzue hubs. 
Rich-built to boot!

Seems like the most reasonable deal in the best color.

Corwin

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:43:44 AM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Nice one on Facebook 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1011486256914408/
>
> He says he will take to bike shop.
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:02:04 AM UTC-5 Matt B. wrote:
>
>> The final version of quickbeam, which came with silver paint, did have a 
>> kickstand plate. The QB never had those fork dropouts though as those came 
>> later on the hunqapillar in about 2011 or so.  My guess is that ebay 
>> listing is a simpleone with canti posts removed.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> I think some SO frames had caliper brakes, but they only went up to a 
>>> 62cm size. Though I don’t recall the QB had a kickstand plate. Maybe the 
>>> later ones did. 
>>>
>>> But why would anyone take off canti posts to use caliper brakes? “Hey, 
>>> let’s take off my powerful and light brakes and put on something without 
>>> any power in the wet. That’ll be exciting!”
>>>
>>> Sorry. Don’t get me started on long reach brakes. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not in this size*, and the SimpleOne was canti as well. This appears to 
>>>> be a QB with the canti studs knocked off, then the clearcoat done. Also 
>>>> it's a 64cm. 
>>>>
>>>> *Some small silver QBs had caliper brakes. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 12:14:07 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Did the QB ever come without cantis?  I would assume that is a 
>>>>> Simpleone.  
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 1:02:56 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not mine, but a nice looking 62 QB frame/fork on the bay now...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/364015264475?hash=item54c10022db:g:SzwAAOSwD79jEA9r=enc%3AAQAHoHwOqNWKMXHgc3oWyVn7pYPofBnuW5KG%2BoPQYyGHw3W5Fsfi278BWZin%2FGqnOZzDrWipsEVRl3DPDOIhASKUW968jEuKj49QYo3jTAqPBpMecpPHLrK2mmAyrgkZAI1sTF0XB2epZ4zk52Mkr4rj3WPFqdkj9wfeClKfmTrIuEUKfAJ%2F2QGA18n2Idq1vJd9pnww4UQOZqCh0ds1J9j5jn0%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7CYj8T9YA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 10:17:13 AM UTC-4 tc wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey group,
>>>>>>> If anyone is thinking about selling or trading a 62 Quickbeam in 
>>>>>>> good condition, I'd like to discus with you - thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom
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Re: Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Corwin Zechar]

There's some nice lug work on that Phillips frame Philip.

Regards,


Corwin

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:55:05 AM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> If anyone needs Speedblend tires for their period-correct 2004 Hillborne 
> or Quickbeam build, these are the first I’ve seen in a decade or so: 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/santa-rosa-58cm-phillips-custom-single/7531796905.html
>
> You might need to buy the patina-bike they’re attached to as well, though. 
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Matt -

I am familiar with the gentleman in Albuquerque. We have traded several 
times (both directions).

I now have options on two sets of 9 speed Dura Ace levers. And both are 
local. So hopefully - no shenanigans required in Albuqurque.

Regards,

Corwin
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:28:18 PM UTC-7 MCT wrote:

> There is a gentleman in the group who lives in Albuquerque.  I don't want 
> to name him and call him out as may not be able to pick up the shifters.  
> He is quite active on the board, so I will not be surprised if he posts on 
> this thread soon.
>
> Matt in OKC
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:20:48 PM UTC-5 Mr. Ray wrote:
>
>> I was not able to locate 9 spd Shimano DS so I bought Microshift 9 spd DS 
>> instead.  Like you, I only require index shifting and having used them for 
>> over 3000 miles, the Microshift have worked very very well.  They are also 
>> cheaper than Dura Ace.
>>
>> https://www.microshift.com/models/sl-d09/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings -
>>>
>>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen 
>>> was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame 
>>> is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
>>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
>>> three options recently:
>>>
>>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
>>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly 
>>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
>>> with a considerable savings.
>>>
>>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque 
>>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
>>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
>>> me.
>>>
>>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
>>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed 
>>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the 
>>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
>>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for 
>>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>>
>>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano 
>>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers 
>>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to 
>>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the 
>>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed 
>>> cassette)?
>>>
>>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
>>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Corwin Zechar]

I agree. Using 10 speed shift levers requires the cable routing hack on the 
rear derailer.

Regards,

Corwin
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something wrong:
>
> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use the 
> alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>
> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other 
> shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?
>
> You don't care if you have a friction option, right?
>
> You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you have.  I 
> kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and cheaper to 
> find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not as pretty.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Greetings -
>>
>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen was 
>> my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame is 
>> now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>
>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
>> three options recently:
>>
>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly 
>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
>> with a considerable savings.
>>
>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque 
>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
>> me.
>>
>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
>> fine.
>>
>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed 
>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the 
>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for 
>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>
>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano 
>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers 
>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to 
>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the 
>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed 
>> cassette)?
>>
>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Bill -

I will gladly take those 9 speed down tube shifters off your hands.

Let me know whenever it's convenient for you. I am in no hurry.

Regards,


Corwin

On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:02:57 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I have a set of used 9sp down tube Dura Ace shifters 
>
> I bought them when it seemed like a good idea because they were getting 
> more rare and expensive. 
>
> Corwin, if you still don’t have a solution in place next to week, I’ll be 
> near my stash and can work something out with you. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca 
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 6:43 PM Ian A  wrote:
>
>> Re the Sunrace option. I noticed SjS Cycles in the UK carry these. They 
>> also have a good selection of square taper bottom brackets.
>>
>> I have always found SJS to be completely honest about what they carry, so 
>> you could email them and request an opinion. Reviews on the SJS site for 
>> the 8 and 9 speed shifters seem positive. The 8 speed version are 
>> particularly low priced.
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 3:15:46 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, interesting - amd I didn't know.  Here's  a set of concave 
>>> baseplates that would presumably be missing from the used thumby/lever 
>>> combo, which could hopefully complete that option.  (The Pauls have the 
>>> "square" milled -in.
>>>
>>> Longer levers are nicer than bar end levers anyway, which would be an 
>>> issue with the microshift option I guess.  
>>>
>>> There appears to be a Sunrace-branded option available, but I have no 
>>> idea about quality.
>>>
>>> Concave plates on ebay:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324819072038?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=101=324819072038=1263104806006=m==9029376==14859008593=130497710760=pla-1263104806006=9300678=116345380=Cj0KCQjwy5maBhDdARIsAMxrkw0q0Dhcv0k34aQiah-q4Qeknx178WIqYsV5rHL0qlA8P4Zyyj_2oUgaAsr8EALw_wcB
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:39:25 AM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:
>>>
>>>> Keith, the Dura Ace bar end shifters bolt right on and look identical 
>>>> BUT the rear shifter pods are different.  The rear bar end shifters cable 
>>>> track begins further away from the shifter cable vs a down tube shifter 
>>>> pod.  What this means is after the 5th or 6th gear, the shifter cable is 
>>>> no 
>>>> longer guided by the groove.  If one is handy with a Dremel or file, you 
>>>> could extend the groove closer to where the shifter cable enters the pod. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:11:59 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was first going to say  what mr ray did:  I'm happy with the quality 
>>>>> of the microshift shifters that I have.  They're thumbie mounts, but the 
>>>>> lever shape really seems to be intended as bar ends, so they probably 
>>>>> work 
>>>>> ok in downtube mode too.  Easiiest thing though would just be to get dura 
>>>>> ace bar end shifter from Rivendell.  They're in stock and bolt right on 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> downtube shifters.
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:39:21 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Keith -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've ruled out 10 and 11 speed as I want to be able to swap wheels 
>>>>>> between bikes and have several bikes with 9 speed setups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I don't care if I have a friction option. Not sure how that 
>>>>>> impacts things unless I was interested in brifters (which I am not).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Corwin
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something 
>>>>>>> wrong:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use 
>>>>>>> the alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other 
>>>>>>> shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?
>>>&

[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Keith -

I've ruled out 10 and 11 speed as I want to be able to swap wheels between 
bikes and have several bikes with 9 speed setups.

And I don't care if I have a friction option. Not sure how that impacts 
things unless I was interested in brifters (which I am not).

Thanks,


Corwin
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something wrong:
>
> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use the 
> alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>
> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other 
> shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?
>
> You don't care if you have a friction option, right?
>
> You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you have.  I 
> kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and cheaper to 
> find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not as pretty.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Greetings -
>>
>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen was 
>> my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame is 
>> now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>
>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
>> three options recently:
>>
>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly 
>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
>> with a considerable savings.
>>
>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque 
>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
>> me.
>>
>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
>> fine.
>>
>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed 
>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the 
>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for 
>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>
>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano 
>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers 
>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to 
>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the 
>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed 
>> cassette)?
>>
>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
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[RBW] Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Corwin Zechar]

Greetings -

About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen was 
my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame is 
now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.

I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
three options recently:

1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on EBay 
for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly at 
something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out with 
a considerable savings.

2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque for 
sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
me.

3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
fine.

A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed bar 
ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the custom. 
I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several wheelsets with 9 
speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for the custom and on 
other bikes.

I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano downtube 
lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers on the 
custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to sell to 
someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the chain 
off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed cassette)?

Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.

Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.

Regards,

Corwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Corwin Zechar]

I "have" two basket racks. Each rack is mounted on a Hubbuhubbuh. One is on 
mine, the other on the Cunningham tandem (basket and rack gifted by me). 
About the weight - I do not notice a difference. But I may not be a good 
judge of any difference in weight. I regularly hoist, throw around, etc. 
these tandems for Charlie and my wife, and pick up lots heavier stuff at 
the gym. And I don't use kickstands - so the bars don't swing.

My sole criteria for keeping or ditching the rack is: Do you carry heavy 
loads? I can recall many pictures of Manny's Bleriot with cases of beer, 
groceries, etc. stacked on a front rack. Not sure which rack it was - but 
the photos predated the Riv basket rack. I would never trust a really heavy 
(more than 10 or 15 pounds) load to something less stout than my basket 
rack.

Given that you have two Platys, I am wondering why you would want to load 
the "heavy" on on the car rack? Why not save it for shopping and use the 
Pink Platy for club rides and car trips?

Just my two cents.


Corwin

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 4:06:44 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> This is fascinating. I’m really interested in these different experiences. 
> So, to those of you who liked the rack: 
>
> 1. You didn’t notice the weight or find it objectionable?
> 2. You weren’t irritated by the bars swinging when parked? 
>
> I even have the same bike as Jared and I have such a different experience!
> L
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 7, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:
>
> I had the basket rack on my Platypus (I think I got it from Max?) and 
> loved it on that frame. Recently moved the basket rack to my SimpleOne with 
> only praises, tho I only use a XS Sackville in the rear (would prefer a 
> banana sack but can't justify more bags right now). I could see a basket 
> rack in front and full size rack in rear being overkill for most people, 
> but if you're doing *only* a front rack I feel the 52F with 139 is hard 
> to beat in terms of utility.
>
> Jared in SLO
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[RBW] Re: WTB Stainless Steel Driveshell for Chris King Classic Rear Hub

[Corwin Zechar]

Greetings!

Yesterday, I found not one, but two new Chris King stainless steel 
driveshells.

A couple weeks ago, a used stainless steel driveshell sold for north of 
$150 on EBay.

I got these for less than $100 each. No sales tax and a small delivery 
charge for the postal service.

Regards,

Corwin

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-7 Corwin Zechar wrote:

> Greetings and Salutations -
>
> I realize this is kind of a longshot. And please excuse the cross post on 
> the BOB group.
>
> Over a year ago, my Rivendell Custom was stolen. It had Chris King Classic 
> hubs with the stainless steel driveshell upgrade.
>
> I recently came into a set of Chris King Classic hubs. Chis King says they 
> can do the upgrade - but they no longer manufacture driveshells for classic 
> hubs.
>
> So - if you happen to have a stainless steel drive shell in new or 
> excellent condition, I will happily take it off your hands.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Corwin
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Re: [RBW] Rides With Charlie...

[Corwin Zechar]

Apparently I posted a link to another thread...

This is the link <https://photos.app.goo.gl/7GgEcrUQfgu2C3Ju7> to photos of 
Charlie...

Sorry for the misdirection.

Corwin

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 1:32:26 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

>   smiling  
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:38:15 PM UTC-4 vhans...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Corwin, 
>>
>> I have heard.  Thanks for all you do! 
>>
>> Victor 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 10:35 AM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> I have posted a couple of times that I spend a lot of time on tandems. 
>>> Mostly with Charlie Cunningham. We have been riding for over a year. Our 
>>> destinations have included Point Reyes, Petaluma, Mt Tam, Samuel P. Taylor 
>>> park, Turtle Island, Sausalito, Richmond, Oakland, San Rafael and San 
>>> Francisco.
>>>
>>> On a tandem, I spend most of my time thinking about traffic, the 
>>> condition of my stoker, hills, stopping, etc. Not much time for pictures. I 
>>> have considered getting a Go-Pro camera to mount on Charlie's helmet. 
>>> Hasn't happened yet. So all my pictures are from rest stops, breaks 
>>> en-route and vista points.
>>>
>>> Some of you have been clamoring to see the photos. Here is a link 
>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/7GgEcrUQfgu2C3Ju7>. Sorry there are not 
>>> more. Charlie is a powerful stoker who rarely gets tired and never gets out 
>>> of breath. We discovered Charlie's love of ice cream (especially chocolate) 
>>> during our first ride. So almost every ride includes a stop at one of three 
>>> purveyors of ice cream (Scoop in Fairfax, San Anselmo Gelato or Double 
>>> Rainbow in San Rafael). Charlie can make a bowl of ice cream last upward of 
>>> 30 minutes.
>>>
>>> Charlie is a renowned inventor and UC Berkeley trained mechanical 
>>> engineer. So I can keep him entertained while he consumes his ice cream 
>>> watching PBS engineering videos and episodes of Jay Leno's Garage.
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy the photos.
>>>
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rides With Charlie...

[Corwin Zechar]

Did a couple more rides with Charlie. Charlie is still recovering from his 
infection, so we are taking things slowly. Yesterday, went to the top of 
Camino Alto between Larkspur and Mill Valley.

More photos posted here 
<https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/fUp4sK4HnxE>.

Regards,

Corwin

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 1:32:26 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

>   smiling  
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:38:15 PM UTC-4 vhans...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Corwin, 
>>
>> I have heard.  Thanks for all you do! 
>>
>> Victor 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 10:35 AM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> I have posted a couple of times that I spend a lot of time on tandems. 
>>> Mostly with Charlie Cunningham. We have been riding for over a year. Our 
>>> destinations have included Point Reyes, Petaluma, Mt Tam, Samuel P. Taylor 
>>> park, Turtle Island, Sausalito, Richmond, Oakland, San Rafael and San 
>>> Francisco.
>>>
>>> On a tandem, I spend most of my time thinking about traffic, the 
>>> condition of my stoker, hills, stopping, etc. Not much time for pictures. I 
>>> have considered getting a Go-Pro camera to mount on Charlie's helmet. 
>>> Hasn't happened yet. So all my pictures are from rest stops, breaks 
>>> en-route and vista points.
>>>
>>> Some of you have been clamoring to see the photos. Here is a link 
>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/7GgEcrUQfgu2C3Ju7>. Sorry there are not 
>>> more. Charlie is a powerful stoker who rarely gets tired and never gets out 
>>> of breath. We discovered Charlie's love of ice cream (especially chocolate) 
>>> during our first ride. So almost every ride includes a stop at one of three 
>>> purveyors of ice cream (Scoop in Fairfax, San Anselmo Gelato or Double 
>>> Rainbow in San Rafael). Charlie can make a bowl of ice cream last upward of 
>>> 30 minutes.
>>>
>>> Charlie is a renowned inventor and UC Berkeley trained mechanical 
>>> engineer. So I can keep him entertained while he consumes his ice cream 
>>> watching PBS engineering videos and episodes of Jay Leno's Garage.
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy the photos.
>>>
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[Corwin Zechar]

I have a pair of Park cable cutters - bought about ten years ago. Then I 
saw Mark Abele using Felco cable cutters. The Felco are not cheap, but they 
cut Yokozuna Reaction cable housing rather handily this week.

Regards,

Corwin

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 8:19:17 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Richard, I have used mine a few times and it cut cleanly. Design reminds 
> me of the Felco cable cutter which costs several times as much. Steve
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 3:42 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> Anyone using this tool? I assume it works on cable housing as well as 
>> inner cables? It does not seem to have the "un-crimping" function of the 
>> Park tool but its only $20.00. The Pedro tool looks ok also. What are folks 
>> using? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[Corwin Zechar]

Here, here JJ! I agree completely. Having Mark do the build and set up my 
bikes is one of the main reasons I buy bikes from Rivendell. Mark raises 
wrenching on bikes to a very high form of art.

Regards,

Corwin

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:15:28 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Believe me...I was not best pleased, you may be sure
>
> BTW, J J, I hope that you presented that bike shop with a bill for that 
> rear brake you went to so much effort to find and they reimbursed you 
> without demur. Those Paul Racers are not cheap. I see on my 2016 invoice 
> for my mixte custom...assembled by Mark Abele (go with the best ) the 
> Racers were 288.00. Mark's labor was 220.00 + 50.00 for fender installation 
> , and in my opinion, worth every penny. I am more than happy to pay  top 
> dollar for first-class work. On the other hand , the vanishing skewer 
> probably speaks to not properly overseeing a junior mechanic's work , if 
> I'm being charitable. I do know the shop's owner and he's a good guy who 
> does a lot for cycling in the city, and I am reasonably sure that if I had 
> been able to source a new rear skewer and showed him a receipt, he would 
> have probably given me credit or cash, which would have been fine. Anyone 
> can make a mistake; it's what the maker of the mistake does to remedy it 
> that's important
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:54:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> That sucks about the 501 skewers, Ryan. Awful. 
>>
>> A local shop once serviced a bike (and did a “safety check”) and when I 
>> picked it up I noticed that the quick release skewer springs and adjusting 
>> nut were missing from the front wheel. They just pushed the skewer through 
>> the axle without clamping it down.
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Yikes! I would be PISSED! That's inexcusable.
>>>
>>> A few years ago I took in a set of wheels with Mavic 501 hubs with a 
>>> couple of other pairs of wheels  for some truing to a local BS and when I 
>>> picked them up, the rear wheel  Mavic QR skewer was inexplicably missing. 
>>> Just...gone. Phoned said bike shop, and no... they couldn't find it. 
>>> Offered a replacement skewer, and BTW , 501 skewers are not easy to 
>>> find...although I have not checked recently, so I just used an old Campy 
>>> skewer. 
>>>
>>> No, I'm not cool with having that bike shop do more work for me
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:21:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
>>>> We lost it, Joe. In the immediate aftermath, a quiet hush descended 
>>>> over the entire shop because everyone was shocked by what happened. And 
>>>> then it was like, wtf?!? 
>>>>
>>>> The shop's first response was an unsatisfying and defensive, "it was an 
>>>> honest mistake," and they would have been content to settle it with a mere 
>>>> apology. After a lot of negotiation, the shop agreed to reimburse for 
>>>> labor 
>>>> and to replace the brakes — but good luck finding polished (or any other 
>>>> finish) NOS Racers. It's been three months since it happened and I've 
>>>> heard 
>>>> nothing but crickets. So I was super pleased with Eric's message about 
>>>> Paul 
>>>> Component resuming Racer production.
>>>>
>>>> It had taken me nine months to find the brakes — scouring the 
>>>> interwebs, cold calling dozens of bike shops all over the country, putting 
>>>> out WTB posts. Finally a set appeared in an eBay auction listing. I 
>>>> preempted the auction by offering the seller a (very) pretty penny for 
>>>> them. I wanted those brakes.
>>>>
>>>> Now... I have not lost perspective. This ordeal was upsetting, but it 
>>>> was not an issue of grave existential importance. Still, these things 
>>>> matter to bike nerds and to nerds in the making.
>>>>
>>>> Getting back to the original theme of this thread, I'll reiterate that 
>>>> if I had the option, I would gladly and enthusiastically pay Rivendell to 
>>>> do any frame prep, builds, etc. over any of my local bike shops, even if 
>>>> it 
>>>> meant waiting a while.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:36 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Indeed. That's really appalling. I'm so glad my LBS is competent like 
>>>>> that and would tell me if they can't actually do the work. T
>>>>>
>>>>

[RBW] Rides With Charlie...

[Corwin Zechar]

I have posted a couple of times that I spend a lot of time on tandems. 
Mostly with Charlie Cunningham. We have been riding for over a year. Our 
destinations have included Point Reyes, Petaluma, Mt Tam, Samuel P. Taylor 
park, Turtle Island, Sausalito, Richmond, Oakland, San Rafael and San 
Francisco.

On a tandem, I spend most of my time thinking about traffic, the condition 
of my stoker, hills, stopping, etc. Not much time for pictures. I have 
considered getting a Go-Pro camera to mount on Charlie's helmet. Hasn't 
happened yet. So all my pictures are from rest stops, breaks en-route and 
vista points.

Some of you have been clamoring to see the photos. Here is a link 
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/7GgEcrUQfgu2C3Ju7>. Sorry there are not more. 
Charlie is a powerful stoker who rarely gets tired and never gets out of 
breath. We discovered Charlie's love of ice cream (especially chocolate) 
during our first ride. So almost every ride includes a stop at one of three 
purveyors of ice cream (Scoop in Fairfax, San Anselmo Gelato or Double 
Rainbow in San Rafael). Charlie can make a bowl of ice cream last upward of 
30 minutes.

Charlie is a renowned inventor and UC Berkeley trained mechanical engineer. 
So I can keep him entertained while he consumes his ice cream watching PBS 
engineering videos and episodes of Jay Leno's Garage.

Hope you enjoy the photos.


Corwin

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno substitute for a while...

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Bill -

I was at Rivendell last week. I saw the Roaduno prototype up close.

Not sure what dropouts they are using - but I recognized the angle on the 
rear dropout as the same angle on the rear dropouts on my Quickbeam.

For me, the angle is not as critical as I thought it would be. I rarely 
change gears (I have a flip/flop hub and had a double crankset). I just 
don't seem to need to change gears to get up the hills I ride.

Your mileage may vary.

Regards,


Corwin

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 10:14:16 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I had been searching for quite a while for a single speed that enabled 
> some derailer-less gear flexibility.  On one hand I searched for a 58cm 
> Quickbeam or SimpleONE.  On the other hand I was/am waiting on the 
> RoadUNO.  I was/am a huge fan of Rivendells rear dropouts with the angle 
> that allows a significant gear change while maintaining brake adjustment.  
>
> In an absolutely perfect world, my Size Large singlespeed would also have 
> been 650B (for fat tires and no TCO).  While I'm sitting here in 
> fantasy-land, I also would have waved my magic wand to have the bike be 
> belt-compatible, and would allow brakes, but have a discreet way to NOT run 
> brakes.  
>
> Over the last 18 months or so, I've been working with placeholders for 
> these things.  I bought a Crust Michigan Man right when they were released 
> and set it up as a strictly 1-speed fixie in my office in Wayne County, 
> Michigan.  Will at Riv also has a Michigan Man.  I also managed to acquire 
> a 58cm Quickbeam, and that is now in my garage as a 8-speed single speed.  
> I slowly acquired some of the parts for a 650B custom, including a pair of 
> Rivendell dropouts.  I even had preliminary conversations with a local 
> builder, and have a tentative spot on his enormous waiting list.  
>
> Then, totally by surprise, a new contender appeared.  Crust released a new 
> variant of their single speed Lightning Bolt.  It's 650B, with clearance 
> for 48mm tires and contemporary Randonneur geometry.  It's belt-compatible 
> and has removable cantilever posts and cable guides.  It's almost exactly 
> what my custom would have been except for the Riv-style ends.  
>
> It's 2022, and the lesson we've all learned is that if the thing you want 
> is available, you buy it, because it may never be available again.  So, I 
> went ahead and bought it, and the frame should arrive today.  I'm pretty 
> excited.  
>
> Whether or not my new Crust will get replaced by a RoadUNO next year 
> remains to be seen.  Will's email updates (plus simple geometry) make it 
> pretty clear to me that the RoadUNO will not have Riv ends.  It'll have 
> some other svelte track ends, so easy gear changes with a rear brake won't 
> be part of the feature list, it seems.  I'm still paying very close 
> attention, but the itch is getting scratched today.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: All Time Best Paint Color

[Corwin Zechar]

My favorite color has to be the deep purple of my original - and soon to be 
reincarnated custom.

I will admit I am a big fan of the orange creamsicle as well. Especially 
now that I have an orange creamsicle Ram to look at every day.

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 4:08:42 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

>
> I've been going down the archive rabbit hole and am curious of the bunch's 
> thoughts (opinions).
>
> *What is the best factory Rivendell paint color to date?*
>
> Give me your hot takes - and photos if you've got 'em.
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Corwin Zechar]

Really hard to make ends meet with a 20% markup. With a 10% or 20% markup, 
you're more likely to be selling groceries than bikes.

I would be discouraged too. Working hard and putting lots of resources 
behind a project you love - only to have it become impossible is really 
tough to deal with.

Regards,

Corwin

On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 6:14:35 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Yeah, I read the blog. The $345 would presumably be Riv's wholesale price, 
> right? So... assuming a nominal retail markup of, say, 20%, the  price 
> would be ~$415 for the end user. No idea if there is a standard industry 
> markup, and we know Rivendell marches to their own rhythm. A 10% markup 
> would be ~$380; 30% ~$450. Grant seemed disheartened. I really appreciate 
> his transparency. 
> (Your build videos are great btw Eric.)  
>
> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great pics, Ana, and yeah, those Nexaves are quite large! 
>>
>> Did you all read the latest Blahg? Seems the prototypes are crazy 
>> expensive. They'll be CNC machined. Here's Grant's quote from the 
>> fabricators: 
>>
>> "50 pieces. These will be made by CNC machining They will cost $345.5 
>> USD each,  total $17,275 USD. The cost base on the QTY"
>>
>> More here.  
>> <https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/done-done-wrong-proably-still-doing-wrong>Um,
>>  
>> does it seem like maybe 50 Rivendell customers would pool together and 
>> chunk in a non-refundable $350 towards getting this project moving in the 
>> (opposite) direction?  
>> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 3:24:45 AM UTC-4 Ana Candela wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, and love it! I got one last year thanks to Grant's suggestion: 
>>> Shimano Nexave RD-C505. It is rather large compared to the other ones I'm 
>>> seeing posted here, but hey, function before form. I am very much looking 
>>> forward to Rivendell's derailer project because function will be enhanced 
>>> by form. I think it's coming along beautifully :)
>>>
>>> My RR der is the #1 upgrade that I've done to my bike, and that's saying 
>>> a lot! The reason is thanks to its logic of shifting: it doesn't twist my 
>>> brain and wreak havoc like "normal" ones do. I always thought the shifting 
>>> in bikes was counterintuitive, but I assumed that was the way of derailers. 
>>> Then at some point Grant brought up the rapid-rise derailers in the Blahg, 
>>> and I almost heard angels sing, haha!
>>>
>>> Now both derailers work with the same logic: if I'm climbing UP a hill, 
>>> I pull either or both shifters UP (easy gear); if I'm going DOWN or flat at 
>>> speed, I push DOWN (hard gear). This just makes sense. And then with 
>>> friction shifters it is just delightful to shift. So smooth and almost 
>>> silent. Bliss!
>>>
>>> Below are a couple photos from last Sunday. Long live the Rapid-Rise 
>>> Derailer!
>>>
>>> -Ana in Seattle
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6954.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6934.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Corwin Zechar]

...forgot a subtle difference - the new custom has hand carved lugs. Mark 
gave me a set of Roadeo lugs and I marked them up for Nobilette to work 
some magic on.

Corwin

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 11:56:40 AM UTC-7 Corwin Zechar wrote:

> Hi Ryan -
>
> Pictures you say? I have no pictures of the new custom yet. But I do have 
> a few pictures of the original. If you don't look too closely, you can see 
> my new custom in these pictures. Coincidentally, the new custom will be the 
> same color as the original. Mark Nobilette originally sent a threaded fork 
> (a fork for threadless headset was spec'ed), and the fork got painted 
> before anyone realized the error. Instead of getting cranky about the 
> faux-pas, I seized an opportunity for a back-up fork. Mark and I agreed to 
> split the cost of a new fork. So, when the time came to specify the color 
> for Joe Bell, I pulled out the threaded fork (still it's box after 13 
> years) and shot a photo.
>
> The new custom will differ from the old in the following ways:
>
> 1) Albastache bars instead of drops.
> 2) Onyx hubs instead of the Chris King and Schmidt dynohub.
> 3) A custom covered Fizik Aliante saddle by Mick Peele embossed with the 
> Rivendell logo instead of the Berthoud and red Fizik.
> 4) 1x SRAM drivetrain with R2C bar end shifters instead of the 2x Shimano 
> utilizing downtube shifters
> 5) Tektro CX 8.4 V-brakes instead of the R539s.
>
> Check out photos of my original custom here 
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/krnAp7WHxpc6fvPF9>.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 4:58:32 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Well, Corwin,I hope you'll post pictures of this lovely bike once you get 
>> it...long wait for customs but they're worth the wait. It's a bummer that 
>> your first one was stolen and I hope you had good insurance to ease some of 
>> the pain. 
>>
>> 3 Rivendells and 1 93 X0-1 which was my gateway drug
>>
>> 1998 26" all-rounder - Sherwood Forest green
>> 2001 Curt Goodrich custom road - Harvest Gold (like some of the earlier 
>> Clems)
>> 2016 Mark Nobilette custom mixte 
>>
>> Probably either the all-rounder or road if I was forced to pick. Since I 
>> like riding my old 70's PX10 as a singlespeed so much I probably would have 
>> liked to own a Quickbeam or SimpleOne...but not really into acquiring more 
>> bikes at this stage of the game
>>
>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 1:15:36 AM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> My answer is much like Joe Bernard's. I would choose my custom. Either 
>>> the first one (stolen April 2021) or the second one - currently at Joe 
>>> Bell's awaiting paint. My frame (especially the first one) is/was much like 
>>> a Roadeo. So much so, that Mark suggested a Roadeo instead of a custom. I 
>>> decided against it based on a preference for custom paint from Joe Bell and 
>>> the decals associated with the custom.
>>>
>>> This time around, the replacement custom is a carbon copy except for 
>>> cantilever posts for Tektro short-pull V-brakes. Same color even. And now I 
>>> also have a Roadeo at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 12:27:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, how I am loving this thread. JJ’s wife takes the cake with her 
>>>> Wilbury/Glorius pair. Love it, love it. See? It’s a perfectly good idea to 
>>>> have two of the same bike, and she knows it too! I am so enjoying 
>>>> everyone’s photos and descriptions of what they like about their 
>>>> Rivendells, keep them coming. 
>>>>
>>>> My vote - big surprise - goes to the elegant Rivendell Platypus as 
>>>> well. There is no downside to a Platypus. I could not get enough of my 
>>>> raspberry Platy so I searched until I found another Platy frame and then 
>>>> built that one up to haul. Never be without your Platypus, that’s my 
>>>> motto! 
>>>> I find it a great comfort to have a 2nd Platypus; I used to have one bike, 
>>>> a Betty Foy, and had a recurring nightmare that it got stolen. My 
>>>> subconscious was so distressed over the loss of the bike that by the end 
>>>> of 
>>>> the dream I would always miraculously find a spare Betty Foy frame in a 
>>>> box 
>>>> in my garage, this making it all ok.
>>>>
>>>> I love the Rivendell mixtes; Rivendell puts the best of what they are 
>>>> into their mixte line, 

Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Ryan -

Pictures you say? I have no pictures of the new custom yet. But I do have a 
few pictures of the original. If you don't look too closely, you can see my 
new custom in these pictures. Coincidentally, the new custom will be the 
same color as the original. Mark Nobilette originally sent a threaded fork 
(a fork for threadless headset was spec'ed), and the fork got painted 
before anyone realized the error. Instead of getting cranky about the 
faux-pas, I seized an opportunity for a back-up fork. Mark and I agreed to 
split the cost of a new fork. So, when the time came to specify the color 
for Joe Bell, I pulled out the threaded fork (still it's box after 13 
years) and shot a photo.

The new custom will differ from the old in the following ways:

1) Albastache bars instead of drops.
2) Onyx hubs instead of the Chris King and Schmidt dynohub.
3) A custom covered Fizik Aliante saddle by Mick Peele embossed with the 
Rivendell logo instead of the Berthoud and red Fizik.
4) 1x SRAM drivetrain with R2C bar end shifters instead of the 2x Shimano 
utilizing downtube shifters
5) Tektro CX 8.4 V-brakes instead of the R539s.

Check out photos of my original custom here 
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/krnAp7WHxpc6fvPF9>.

Regards,

Corwin

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 4:58:32 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Well, Corwin,I hope you'll post pictures of this lovely bike once you get 
> it...long wait for customs but they're worth the wait. It's a bummer that 
> your first one was stolen and I hope you had good insurance to ease some of 
> the pain. 
>
> 3 Rivendells and 1 93 X0-1 which was my gateway drug
>
> 1998 26" all-rounder - Sherwood Forest green
> 2001 Curt Goodrich custom road - Harvest Gold (like some of the earlier 
> Clems)
> 2016 Mark Nobilette custom mixte 
>
> Probably either the all-rounder or road if I was forced to pick. Since I 
> like riding my old 70's PX10 as a singlespeed so much I probably would have 
> liked to own a Quickbeam or SimpleOne...but not really into acquiring more 
> bikes at this stage of the game
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 1:15:36 AM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> My answer is much like Joe Bernard's. I would choose my custom. Either 
>> the first one (stolen April 2021) or the second one - currently at Joe 
>> Bell's awaiting paint. My frame (especially the first one) is/was much like 
>> a Roadeo. So much so, that Mark suggested a Roadeo instead of a custom. I 
>> decided against it based on a preference for custom paint from Joe Bell and 
>> the decals associated with the custom.
>>
>> This time around, the replacement custom is a carbon copy except for 
>> cantilever posts for Tektro short-pull V-brakes. Same color even. And now I 
>> also have a Roadeo at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 12:27:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, how I am loving this thread. JJ’s wife takes the cake with her 
>>> Wilbury/Glorius pair. Love it, love it. See? It’s a perfectly good idea to 
>>> have two of the same bike, and she knows it too! I am so enjoying 
>>> everyone’s photos and descriptions of what they like about their 
>>> Rivendells, keep them coming. 
>>>
>>> My vote - big surprise - goes to the elegant Rivendell Platypus as well. 
>>> There is no downside to a Platypus. I could not get enough of my raspberry 
>>> Platy so I searched until I found another Platy frame and then built that 
>>> one up to haul. Never be without your Platypus, that’s my motto! I find it 
>>> a great comfort to have a 2nd Platypus; I used to have one bike, a Betty 
>>> Foy, and had a recurring nightmare that it got stolen. My subconscious was 
>>> so distressed over the loss of the bike that by the end of the dream I 
>>> would always miraculously find a spare Betty Foy frame in a box in my 
>>> garage, this making it all ok.
>>>
>>> I love the Rivendell mixtes; Rivendell puts the best of what they are 
>>> into their mixte line, I have always thought. And like the product page 
>>> says, all Rivendells are beautiful, but the Platypus is the *most* 
>>> beautiful Rivendell. Not that it suffers practicality on account of its 
>>> looks - it is dead useful and supremely comfortable. I use mine for club 
>>> rides, errand-running, shopping, and pleasure rides. Smart AND beautiful. 
>>> That’s why it’s my favorite.
>>> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 2:04:55 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, Wilbury/Glorius-Betty Foy/Yves Gomez-Cheviot-Platypus. We got here 
>>>> from there. 
>>>&

Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Corwin Zechar]

My answer is much like Joe Bernard's. I would choose my custom. Either the 
first one (stolen April 2021) or the second one - currently at Joe Bell's 
awaiting paint. My frame (especially the first one) is/was much like a 
Roadeo. So much so, that Mark suggested a Roadeo instead of a custom. I 
decided against it based on a preference for custom paint from Joe Bell and 
the decals associated with the custom.

This time around, the replacement custom is a carbon copy except for 
cantilever posts for Tektro short-pull V-brakes. Same color even. And now I 
also have a Roadeo at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.

Regards,

Corwin
On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 12:27:08 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Oh, how I am loving this thread. JJ’s wife takes the cake with her 
> Wilbury/Glorius pair. Love it, love it. See? It’s a perfectly good idea to 
> have two of the same bike, and she knows it too! I am so enjoying 
> everyone’s photos and descriptions of what they like about their 
> Rivendells, keep them coming. 
>
> My vote - big surprise - goes to the elegant Rivendell Platypus as well. 
> There is no downside to a Platypus. I could not get enough of my raspberry 
> Platy so I searched until I found another Platy frame and then built that 
> one up to haul. Never be without your Platypus, that’s my motto! I find it 
> a great comfort to have a 2nd Platypus; I used to have one bike, a Betty 
> Foy, and had a recurring nightmare that it got stolen. My subconscious was 
> so distressed over the loss of the bike that by the end of the dream I 
> would always miraculously find a spare Betty Foy frame in a box in my 
> garage, this making it all ok.
>
> I love the Rivendell mixtes; Rivendell puts the best of what they are into 
> their mixte line, I have always thought. And like the product page says, 
> all Rivendells are beautiful, but the Platypus is the *most* beautiful 
> Rivendell. Not that it suffers practicality on account of its looks - it is 
> dead useful and supremely comfortable. I use mine for club rides, 
> errand-running, shopping, and pleasure rides. Smart AND beautiful. That’s 
> why it’s my favorite.
> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 2:04:55 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes, Wilbury/Glorius-Betty Foy/Yves Gomez-Cheviot-Platypus. We got here 
>> from there. 
>>
>> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Love that Hunqapillar! I've never heard of the Wilburt/Glorius but looks 
>>> nice - the raw metal is awesome. Looks like the Platypus may be similar, 
>>> albeit with a longer wheelbase?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 11:42 AM J J  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm with Joel in that I prefer shorter-wheelbase, shorter-chain stay 
>>>> Rivendell models, though *shorter* is relative. I favor fully lugged 
>>>> models, though it makes sense for Rivendell to have more accessible 
>>>> offerings (*accessible* is also relative).
>>>>
>>>> For me it's the Hunqapillar all the way. It excels at everything I do 
>>>> with it, whether unloaded and tossing it around on skinny (haha) 42s or 
>>>> hauling 75 pounds of stuff rolling on 55s. It doesn't break a sweat and 
>>>> always feels incredibly stable and ready for more. 
>>>>
>>>> For my partner it's the Wilbury/Glorius, from the era preceding super 
>>>> long wheelbase step-through models. (Her previous bike had a much longer 
>>>> wheelbase, which she found cumbersome and clunky after she road the 
>>>> Wilbury.) She loved the Wilbury ride and lovely construction so much that 
>>>> she got a companion Glorius in raw metal. 
>>>>
>>>> Leah is not the only one to double down on a step-through she loves!! :)
>>>>
>>>> [image: Hunqapillar 1.jpeg]
>>>> [image: Wilbury 1.jpeg]
>>>> [image: Glorius 1.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 11:58:03 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a Sam Hillborne and a SimpleOne, if I did it all over again, 
>>>>> I'd go for a Hunqapillar, but, I'd totally be happy with a Appaloosa. I 
>>>>> also own a Trek 620, Tanglefoot Moonshiner, and a Kogswell PR II.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Hillborne.png]
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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Corwin Zechar]

I generally go as big/wide as the bike will accommodate. For some bikes 
(e.g., my Hubbuhubbuh) this is 75mm. For others (e.g., my Quickbeam) it is 
44mm. I recently came into a Ram. It arrived with 28mm Ruffy Tuffys. I was 
surprised at how good they felt. Reminded me of the sew-ups I rode as a 
younger man.

The Ruffy Tuffys eventually encountered road hazards (a fact of life in the 
San Francisco Bay Area) and we moved to 35mm Schwalbe G-Ones. Still have 
lots of room. No reason to ride with fenders since rain in the drought 
plagued Bay Area is as scarce as hens teeth.

Regards,

Corwin

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:23:03 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>

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[RBW] WTB Stainless Steel Driveshell for Chris King Classic Rear Hub

[Corwin Zechar]

Greetings and Salutations -

I realize this is kind of a longshot. And please excuse the cross post on 
the BOB group.

Over a year ago, my Rivendell Custom was stolen. It had Chris King Classic 
hubs with the stainless steel driveshell upgrade.

I recently came into a set of Chris King Classic hubs. Chis King says they 
can do the upgrade - but they no longer manufacture driveshells for classic 
hubs.

So - if you happen to have a stainless steel drive shell in new or 
excellent condition, I will happily take it off your hands.

Thanks in advance,


Corwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt photo archive on instagram

[Corwin Zechar]

Wow Eric! Those photos are fantastic. I tried to read Jobst' reports, but 
came up short.

Thanks very much.

Corwin

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the tip, Rich, that sounds really cool. 
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:05:34 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Thank you for the photo archive. For more stories and pics -- 
>> specifically about the Bay Area rides Jobst and his pals did check out 
>> Ray Hosler's recent book "Once Upon a Ride". 
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:54:29 PM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Wow Eric, what a resource.
>>> Thank you so much.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Corwin Zechar]

At the outset, I will say that I agree with pretty much everything said so 
far in this thread. I heartily agree with RIDE WHAT YOU LIKE. I will also 
say that I hate riding upright. I have the interesting situation in that I 
captain two tandems every week - once a week for Charlie Cunningham and a 
few times a week for my wife.

Both Charlie and my wife are disabled - each in different ways. My tandem 
sports Albastache bars "slammed". Charlie and Jacquie's tandem sports Bosco 
Bull Moose bars "up high". Every time Charlie and I go out, my backside 
aches. Every time my wife and I go out? Bliss. Saddles? You ask... 
Charlie's tandem has a Brooks C17. Mine has a Fizik Aliante. I've tried 
lots of saddles. Wide ones, narrow ones, soft cushy ones, hard ones, etc. 
The wide ones chafe my thighs. The resulting sores are worse than a sore 
bottom. The saddles I like best are Fizik Aliante and Berthoud Galibier.

Point #1 is: Tolerating others is easy - once you find some common ground. 
Charlie LOVES chocolate ice cream. And Charlie is a Berkeley trained 
engineer who geeks out over fascinating designs. I provide both for him and 
we get along famously. [Charlie and I happen to be rather close in other 
aspects too - so not much of a stretch for me or him]. But it's easy to 
bond with lots of people over this kind of stuff if you focus on 
similarities instead of differences.

Point #2 is: About thirteen years ago, I discovered when riding my drop 
bars, I spend 99% of the time on the top - straight section, hoods, ramps, 
etc. Almost never in the drops or hooks. So I tried Mustache bars. What a 
revelation. Then I ordered our second tandem (a Hubbuhubbuh) for my wife. 
No Mustache bars to be found. Tried the Albastache bars and loved them too. 
So if you pay attention to what you like, you may get some insight into 
related preferences as well.

YMMV.


Corwin

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:05:33 AM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:

> I have an Albastache on an old road bike frame, and an albatross on an old 
> MTB all-purpose tank. The albastache is great! compared to the albatross, 
> it is more comfortable to grab the curve because it conforms to a natural 
> arm posture with the pinky lower than the index (which is opposite to the 
> rise on the albatross.) The albastache lacks an equivalent position to the 
> drops on a drop bar, but over the years I've found that I never get into 
> the drops, anyway. If that doesn't bother you and if your body is like 
> mine, then you'll find that the positions it does have are more comfortable 
> than their drop-bar equivalents.
> -W
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:30:40 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I entirely agree that position or fit generally is the most important 
>> thing in bike comfort and riding efficiently (yes, comfort is relative; but 
>> even a pro will ride faster if he is more comfortable than if he is more 
>> uncomfortable, and bad fit is probably the worst thing for comfort), and I 
>> agree entirely too that the entire virtue of drop bars is that they offer 
>> many different positions for comfort (yes, and efficiency, but believe me, 
>> tucked into the hooks against a 25 mph headwind in a 70-something fixed 
>> gear is a hell of a lot more comfortable than trying to buck that wind 
>> while sitting upright). 
>>
>> But!! Tell me if I am right or wrong: I thought that the entire 
>> smorgasbord of the many different Rivendell upright models came about 
>> precisely to give more comfortable upright riding with multiple hand 
>> positions -- isn't this right?
>>
>> I've not used any non-drop Riv bar since the old Priest and original 
>> edition Moustache bars, but I have been tempted to try an Albastache 
>> precisely because **I thought** that this was an improvement in hand 
>> positions and therefore comfort over the old Albatross and Moustache bars. 
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 2:51 PM George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>>  Consider instead what Nick Payne so clearly underscores in his very 
>>> accurate post above about the multi-position availability that the road 
>>> bars offer a cyclist that upright or flat bars simply cannot.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Three NOS Shimano 7-Speed Rear Derailers and a Suntour Crankset

[Corwin Zechar]

Greetings and Salutations -

Jacquie and Charlie are again seeking to further liquidate their stockpile 
of NOS parts and components. Today we have three 7-speed Shimano rear 
derailers and a Suntour crankset for sale. The asking price for each of the 
derailers is $300. Jacquie is uncertain about the value of the crankset and 
encourages offers. Please contact Jacquie (Jacquie "at" batnet "dot" com) 
directly if you are interested.

Jacquie and Charlie still have lots of Grease-Guard headsets and 
Sachs/Sedis chains available. Headsets are $75 + shipping. Chains are $40 + 
shipping.

I will likely post this message to the BOB list as well. Please excuse my 
cross-posting.

Crankset:

Suntour XC Pro; Chainrings are 42, 32 and 20 teeth. The cranks are marked 
as 177.5

Derailers are as follows:

Shimano 600 EX short cage 7-speed derailer.

Shimano 600 Ultegra short cage 7-speed derailer.

Shimano Deore XT short cage 7-speed derailer.

Photos are here <https://photos.app.goo.gl/cddXbDdbd9J2oKRh6>.

Thanks,


Corwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[Corwin Zechar]

Those Shimano drop-bar levers are still available! Buy them at rivbike.com, 
amazon.com, ebay.com and several other places.

Regards,


Corwin

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 3:52:46 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> I must ride a lot slower than all's y'all's... but I've honestly never had 
> any trouble with my brakes on my AHH. I use the original standard Shimano 
> Lever  that shipped with it in aught-seven (probably discontinued) on a set 
> of Noodle bars. They don't bottom out at full pressure and the wheel will 
> skid. 
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc522-cyclofiend_jim0908.html
>
> - Jim
>
> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 3:41:01 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Laing: Forgive me if you've posted some before, but if not, I'd be 
>> delighted to see photos of your Riv custom "racing bike." 53.4 X 62?? What 
>> sort of bar? Me, I fit almost the diametrical opposite: 60 X 56 c-c for a 
>> drop-bar bike. 
>>
>> To all: I've found this discussion interesting, both regarding braking 
>> effectiveness and road bike aesthetics. I have to say that I myself would 
>> prefer cantis or V brakes, or braze-on centerpulls instead of what appear 
>> to me clunky very-long reach calipers on a "gofast" road bike if medium 
>> reach calipers didn't work; and in fact, I've seen a number of custom or 
>> high-end production road bikes from before WWII built for cantilever 
>> brakes. I think a great many of these were on the Classics Rendezvous and 
>> Classic Lightweights UK websites.
>>
>> IME, I tend to agree with those who say that almost all brakes work 
>> decently, if not brilliantly, if properly set up, and if the levers are 
>> appropriate to the brakes proper. I know that my otherwise wonderful 
>> second-gen (? The tab-operated cam) Dura Ace single pivots worked badly, 
>> even with salmons, pulled by 7410-era levers, while the single pivot (high 
>> end DC? Superbe Pro?) 57 mm reach single pivot on the gofast pulled by the 
>> same levers works very well indeed, for power and for modulation.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> Appearance was a large consideration when I selected the Rene 
>>> Herse braze-on centerpull brakes for my Rivendell Custom that was intended 
>>> as a road bike. I call it a fat man's racing bike. "Racing Bike" as in no 
>>> braze-ons for racks, no fender eyelets, no holes in the "brake" or chain 
>>> stay bridges, - clean stays and forks but a really long wheelbase. The long 
>>> chainstays are balanced by the really long main triangle (62 cm ETT x 53.4 
>>> ST). What I did not realize was how large the Rene Herse brakes are, they 
>>> dwarf my Mafac Competition , DiaCompe, and Weinmann centerpulls. But they 
>>> still have that fifties - sixties racing bike look. The centerpull 
>>> braze-ons are located between the rim and the fork crown/brake bridge, so 
>>> they are a stiffer mount that cantilevers/V-brakes whose braze-ons are 
>>> located below the rim. Another plus for the RH centerpulls is no black or 
>>> plastic parts like the long reach Tektros.
>>>
>>> I have never actually seen another bike with braze-on centerpulls except 
>>> in pictures - some in the book *Japanese Steel*. I have considered at 
>>> times having Dia-Compe braze-ons installed on my Paramount for the original 
>>> Weinmann centerpull brakes.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 7:50:05 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with the sentiment that road bikes look better with calipers on 
>>>> them. Though I find the long-reach caliper brakes (Tektro R559) to be 
>>>> rather ugly looking. Road bikes with disc brakes or v-brakes still look 
>>>> odd 
>>>> to me. I assume they must be gravel or cyclocross bikes. Maybe Rivendell 
>>>> should develop some kick-ass long reach caliper brakes. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daniel M 
>>>>
>>>> Tallahassee Fl
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 10:31:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Part of the Riv association with long-reach calipers (my opinion) is 
>>>>> Grant had them made back in the days when road bikes were closely 
>>>>> associated with calipers and he wanted more room for big tires. We don't 
>>>>> think anything of it now but at the time if your bike had canti posts it 
>>>>> was a tourer or mtb, you couldn't sell it to folks looking for a road 
>>>>> frame. 
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rambouillet 60cm complete

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Frank -

As a new Ram owner with a PBH of 88 (as measured by Grant) and a couple of 
60 cm frames (and one 62), I can say this frame is probably too small for 
you. But that statement is subject to your preferences. My son is two 
inches taller than me and he rides bikes with seat tubes of 57 and 58 cm.

Thanks,


Corwin
On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:03:52 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Best of luck to the new owner.  Pictures of its new home are expected...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 7:59:50 AM UTC-7 Chris Freeman wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the help Bill, the Ram has been sold!
>>
>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:44:24 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> That's a sensational price, and one you should get without issue.  
>>>
>>> That saddle height sounds wrong.  Saddle height in these groups is 
>>> understood to mean the distance from the center of the BB, along the seat 
>>> tube, to the tippy top of the saddle.  It sounds like you've measured from 
>>> the ground.  The saddle height you will be measuring will be something in 
>>> the ballpark of 75-78cm, or around 30".  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 6:37:10 AM UTC-7 Chris Freeman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh geeez... SORRY! The asking price is 1400. I only have a tape with 
>>>> inches and the saddle height is 38 and 3/4" or 98.5 cm if i did my metric 
>>>> conversion right:). I can include the original Nitto Noodles with brake 
>>>> levers and cross interrupters if the buyer would like. Cheers and thanks 
>>>> for the heads up and well-wishing!
>>>> -Chris
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:08:17 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's a lovely build, that I'm sure will be loved.  Very sorry to 
>>>>> hear of the TBI.  Best of luck making it through those challenges.  
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems you've overlooked disclosing your asking price.  Also, maybe 
>>>>> you could include the saddle height shown in the photos so your 
>>>>> prospective 
>>>>> buyer can visualize their setup.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with sale
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:04:44 PM UTC-7 Chris Freeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Super beautiful and well-cared for Rivendell Rambouillet 60cm 
>>>>>> frameset with original Riv spec save for handlebars, bell, fenders, and 
>>>>>> leather-covered toe clips.  Some light examples of beausage (2 faint 
>>>>>> scratches, three tiny nicks, and a faint line of metal on the edge of 
>>>>>> one 
>>>>>> lug) but super clean and dent free. The lugs and craftsmanship of the 
>>>>>> frame 
>>>>>> are a joy to behold. I doubt the pictures will do justice to how 
>>>>>> beautiful 
>>>>>> this bike is. The Handlebars are wrapped in the style suggested in the 
>>>>>> Riv 
>>>>>> Reader and is shellacked to near perfection. Shellacked tape can be 
>>>>>> slippy, 
>>>>>> this fixes that and the result is s beautiful. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don’t know, I love this bike. You can fit 42c 650b’s with ease 
>>>>>> under the fenders and I can provide you with a nearly new handmade 
>>>>>> wheelset 
>>>>>> with highly polished VO rims, Campy front, White Industries rear and a 
>>>>>> brand new Cassette that makes this into a truly go anywhere bike, imho. 
>>>>>>  I 
>>>>>> have tried a ton of bikes and keep coming back to this one. $150 in 
>>>>>> shipping should cover it, or I can deliver in Minneapolis. TBI 
>>>>>> (traumatic 
>>>>>> brain injury) forces sale and a whole bunch of other bikes will be going 
>>>>>> up 
>>>>>> on related google sites (Rawland, RO Harrison, French Rando 650b 
>>>>>> conversion, MB-4, XO-3…). Please wear a helmet.[image: 
>>>>>> 10A05D92-8806-475E-98C0-3173314BDF7F_1_105_c.jpeg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Link to photos <https://flic.kr/ps/3Zc1nP>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The Particulars:
>>>>>>
>>>>&

[RBW] Re: Non-bike but pro-Grant: racial justice.

[Corwin]

Racial injustice has been discussed repeatedly in Grant's blahg.

I think this is a fair topic for this forum. Issues such as low carb diets, 
the advantages and disadvantages of helmets, baseball, fishing, slingshots, 
hatchets and various other topics not directly related to bikes or cycling.

I liked the story as well. My opinion about the appropriateness of this 
topic is not related to my liking the story. I think the topic is fair 
regardless of whether I like the story.

Regards,


Corwin

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:14:40 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> THIS HAS NO PLACE ON THIS FORUM. 
>
> I think Patrick is off the mark on his representation of racism 
> (especially by conflating systemic racism with the personal relationships 
> between individuals and the "surprise" at the fact that violent white 
> supremacy is still very much alive and well in this country), but I agree 
> with George. Please delete this thread ASAP.
>
> Paul "racism is not welcome here" in AR
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 7:20:56 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Patrick - I agree with much that you have to say here, but I'm not sure 
>> it belongs on this blog.  PM me and I'd be glad to discuss further.
>> George
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 5:32:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> In his blahgs Grant has dwelt on racial injustice against blacks, and 
>>> rectification of this injustice. I disagree profoundly with Grant on very 
>>> many things, but I perceive and value Grant's fundamental desire for 
>>> justice -- I think Grant's heart is wiser than his head.
>>>
>>> Whatever, I think this anecdote is close enough to Grant's interests to 
>>> merit posting here. You can always create a filter for my posts.
>>>
>>> A good 8-9 years ago a young man began attending liturgy at our church 
>>> -- All Saints of North America, of the Orthodox Church in America 
>>> jurisdiction (note: not American Orthodox Church" but "Orthodox Church in 
>>> America").
>>>
>>> He's huge; 6'2 or 3" and wide; no fat, just 250 lb of bone and muscle. 
>>> He's pure white; even whiter than my father, who was pure WASP. He's now in 
>>> his 40s; 20+ years ago he was a White supremacist and one of ABQ's most 
>>> violent and wanted criminals. He did time and came out the other end.
>>>
>>> He used to ride to liturgy on a huge, rat-rod Yamaha, and told me he 
>>> delighted in tearing up the roads and scaring other drivers on it. I could 
>>> sense the violence and conflict in him.
>>>
>>> He trained through a state program as a HVAC technician, went through a 
>>> painful divorce, but managed to maintain his equilibrium. 
>>>
>>> Eventually, in ~2017-2018, he married a Black woman, moved to KS City 
>>> MO. I helped him with the move, and he named me best man at his wedding. As 
>>> preliminary and somewhat tongue in cheek wedding present I gave him several 
>>> CDs of origin reggae: Peter Tosh, Toots and the Maytals, Bob Marley, as I 
>>> was converting my collection to MP3. The real wedding gift was a 
>>> hand-painted Orthodox triptych of the Theotokos and Child from Ethiopia.
>>>
>>> I didn't hear from him for several years, but on Sunday 7/3 he showed up 
>>> on a visit, and we talked.
>>>
>>> He's in KS City, MO, thriving, working for a HVAC company he respects 
>>> and likes, and volunteering for the KS City, MO NAACP (which he described 
>>> as largely idle) and for another, smaller Black rights organization, which 
>>> is more active.
>>>
>>> From what he told me, KS City, MO is a lingering bastion of 
>>> white-versus-black racism. This surprised me, even as one whose father (in 
>>> but not of his place and time; hell, he married a Filipina) grew up in 
>>> 1930s Jim Crow Atlanta, and one old enough to remember "Colored" gas 
>>> station bathrooms and drinking fountains, and pickups with signs 
>>> advertising KKK rallies on Stone Mountain, in the Decatur, GA town square. 
>>>
>>> Partly due to his efforts, the racist KS City, MO police chief was 
>>> finally removed from office after many years.
>>>
>>> And this is the kicker and warms my heart: he told me that when he shows 
>>> up in situations where white KS City, MO cops are hassling black citizens, 
>>> "The cops just melt away."
>>>
>>> I don't know if this is because they know he'll cause legal, social, and 
>>> political trouble, o

[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Corwin]

Hi Bruce -

I recently came into a great orange Ram (purchased from a list member 
here). I was wondering how your touch-ups turned out.

My frame is in great shape, but does have a nick or chip in a few places.

I also see on the Cyclofiend site, that Boyd's Roadstar Florida Orange 
Pearl" #52920 is recommended. This seems to be the same as Testor's 52920. 
And does not appear to be readily available.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Corwin

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 7:38:47 AM UTC-7 Bruce Curry wrote:

> I did the 3 tubes with clear coat for $50 less 10% coupon. There were 
> several other options but I didn't need all the extra gloves/sandpaper/etc. 
> Some of the other oranges looked a little closer on the ap but the c5 was 
> recommended. When it arrives I'll repost so all of the other creamsicle 
> Rams can get their orange on. 

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[RBW] Re: 1400 front derailers

[Corwin]

I judge stuff like derailleurs/derailers based on how well they work.

If something works really well, it's appearance actually grows on me. 
Pretty dramatically.

I really hate stuff that looks pretty but does not work - or is difficult 
to setup or maintain, fails frequently, etc.

Thanks,


Corwin

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:55:35 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Bill
>
> The RBW Skeleton Key kinda looks like a MicroShift MarvoFD, see MicroShift 
> link 
>
> Marvo Front Derailleur 2x9 | microSHIFT 
> <https://www.microshift.com/models/fd-m462/>
>
> same funky 48.8mm front chain line & 14T capacity.  If so, at 1,400, RBW 
> must have bought an entire production run.  At least Microshift states this 
> a 2x9, not a One Size Fits All.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown 
>
> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 12:34:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I will go out on a limb here and predict that Rivendell went ahead and 
>> checked whether it would work before buying one thousand four hundred of 
>> them.  They are the ones who have to set up their own bikes.  
>>
>> The chainline on the Black Mountain Monster Cross is standard Shimano 
>> Road Chainline.  43.5mm by the book, or 42mm by my measurement.  The 
>> Skeleton key will either work or I'll be modifying a derailleur.  Besides 
>> the awesome cage shape, I like the 34.9mm clamp.  I may decide to turn an 
>> eccentric spacer set to pull it inboard a few mm.  We'll see.  Summer 
>> projects.  I'm in the thick of making my own front derailleur as well.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 6:56:40 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> My comment on the Skeleton Key FD chain line was meant for a full 
>>> triple, not a XD-2 with a guard for the outer ring.  For a triple set up as 
>>> a double, the chainline should not be problem for Skeleton Key FD, since it 
>>> only needs to move 8 to 10mm to shift the Middle/Inner rings.
>>>
>>> On the Skeleton Key FD webite, RBW states:  "This will work with all 
>>> Silver cranks"  RBW sells a Silver triple with 3 chainrings.   The 
>>> Skeleton Key may have problem with shifting to the Inner ring.
>>>
>>> What is your Rear chain line on your Monster Cross??
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 9:25:27 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also note that this front derailer is intended for a large chainring of 
>>>> 42 teeth or smaller and 14T of total difference.  I doubt there are a lot 
>>>> of people running an XD2 road triple with a 42 tooth big ring and only 14T 
>>>> of difference.  What would that be: 28/34/42?  I doubt there are many 
>>>> people with that setup.  It'll be the perfect FD for a Gus/Susie with a 
>>>> 34/24 double wrapped around huge tires.  
>>>>
>>>> If there's somebody out there running an XD2 triple with two rings and 
>>>> a guard, then that person maybe has a 40/26 or something on their Roadini. 
>>>>  
>>>> If that person has no front derailer, then they might indeed have a hard 
>>>> time getting this one to pull the chain to the small ring.  
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I will give it a look on my Black Mountain Monster Cross, which 
>>>> will have a 38/24 double on it soon.  I've got a few different FD options 
>>>> for that setup, and I'll give the skeleton key FD a look as I dial it in.  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 5:24:50 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>> Great report.RBW had these FD's on the website on Fri, 5/20/22, 
>>>>> and they looked ok to me.
>>>>>   
>>>>> They state a 48.8mm chainline.  This seems excessive if you are 
>>>>> using a 45mmm chainline road triple, like an XD-2.  The FD *may not* 
>>>>> have inward swing to shift to the Inner chain ring. 
>>>>>
>>>>> John Hawrylak
>>>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:07:06 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container 
>>>>>> full of frames would also contain *1400 Front Derailers*.  They 
>>>>>> indicated this model will work with 

[RBW] Re: FS: Two Tandems and Jacquie's First Mountain Bike

[Corwin]

Today I realized there is some skepticism the Raleigh is really Jacquie's 
first mountain bike. It may not be clear from the photo - but that bike is 
equipped with a derailleur and a freewheel with five cogs. I admit it's a 
lot of bike to haul over hill and dale. But Jacquie tells me she did in 
fact ride it regularly from her lodgings in San Francisco to the trails of 
Marin on a regular basis. I don't know if Jacquie ever competed on this 
bike - but I'm sure she was much stronger having trained on this bike.

If there is any interest at all (especially local interest), I suggest you 
make Jacquie an offer.

Jacquie told me to cut the prices in half. So - $600 for the Samson, $300 
for the No Name and $150 for her first mountain bike. If those numbers are 
out of line, or you can use one of the bikes, but cannot afford the price - 
I urge you to make an offer.

Thanks,


Corwin

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:07:22 AM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:

> There's a mistake in this post. Seat tubes were measured center-to-top. 
> Not center-to-center.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:03:11 AM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:
>
>> Posting for Jacquie and Charlie...
>>
>> Jacquie and Charlie have a few bikes to sell:
>>
>> 1) WS Samson Tandem;   
>> A fillet brazed Reynolds 531 frame. The Samson wears Mafac wide profile 
>> cantilever brakes, drop bars with Shimano brifters and a Shimano Deore 
>> derailer. Captain's seat post is 57cm and stoker's seat post is 53cm. This 
>> bike can easily accommodate wider rubber than it is currently wearing. 
>> Asking $1200.
>>
>> 2) No Name Tandem;
>> This is also a fillet brazed steel frame. The frame was originally set up 
>> for cantilever brakes, but currently wears Shimano dual pivot sidepulls. 
>> Rear derailer is an older Shimano Deore. Note the neat elbow cable guide 
>> below the stem. Captain's seat post is 57 cm and stoker's seat post is 
>> 41cm, measured center-to-center. This bike will also easily accommodate 
>> wider rubber than it is currently wearing. Asking $600
>>
>> 3) Jacquie's First Mountain Bike
>> This is a vintage Raleigh Sprite. Sports a Brooks B72 saddle (leather is 
>> rather firm), five cogs in back, a steel cottered crankset, rear rack and a 
>> front basket. The seat post is 53.5cm measured center-to-center. Asking 
>> $300.
>>
>> Jacquie would prefer the bikes find homes locally, but is open to having 
>> any or all of them boxed and shipped provided the buyer pays for boxing and 
>> shipping. If you are interested in any of the bikes, please contact Jacquie 
>> (jacquie "at" batnet.com) directly.
>>
>> I have uploaded several photos here 
>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/3HvetLYvHveNPxPd6>. Let me know if you want 
>> more photos; if so - specifically what you want to see.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Two Tandems and Jacquie's First Mountain Bike

[Corwin]

There's a mistake in this post. Seat tubes were measured center-to-top. Not 
center-to-center.

Thanks,

Corwin

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:03:11 AM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:

> Posting for Jacquie and Charlie...
>
> Jacquie and Charlie have a few bikes to sell:
>
> 1) WS Samson Tandem;   
> A fillet brazed Reynolds 531 frame. The Samson wears Mafac wide profile 
> cantilever brakes, drop bars with Shimano brifters and a Shimano Deore 
> derailer. Captain's seat post is 57cm and stoker's seat post is 53cm. This 
> bike can easily accommodate wider rubber than it is currently wearing. 
> Asking $1200.
>
> 2) No Name Tandem;
> This is also a fillet brazed steel frame. The frame was originally set up 
> for cantilever brakes, but currently wears Shimano dual pivot sidepulls. 
> Rear derailer is an older Shimano Deore. Note the neat elbow cable guide 
> below the stem. Captain's seat post is 57 cm and stoker's seat post is 
> 41cm, measured center-to-center. This bike will also easily accommodate 
> wider rubber than it is currently wearing. Asking $600
>
> 3) Jacquie's First Mountain Bike
> This is a vintage Raleigh Sprite. Sports a Brooks B72 saddle (leather is 
> rather firm), five cogs in back, a steel cottered crankset, rear rack and a 
> front basket. The seat post is 53.5cm measured center-to-center. Asking 
> $300.
>
> Jacquie would prefer the bikes find homes locally, but is open to having 
> any or all of them boxed and shipped provided the buyer pays for boxing and 
> shipping. If you are interested in any of the bikes, please contact Jacquie 
> (jacquie "at" batnet.com) directly.
>
> I have uploaded several photos here 
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/3HvetLYvHveNPxPd6>. Let me know if you want 
> more photos; if so - specifically what you want to see.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Corwin
>

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[RBW] FS: Two Tandems and Jacquie's First Mountain Bike

[Corwin]

Posting for Jacquie and Charlie...

Jacquie and Charlie have a few bikes to sell:

1) WS Samson Tandem;   
A fillet brazed Reynolds 531 frame. The Samson wears Mafac wide profile 
cantilever brakes, drop bars with Shimano brifters and a Shimano Deore 
derailer. Captain's seat post is 57cm and stoker's seat post is 53cm. This 
bike can easily accommodate wider rubber than it is currently wearing. 
Asking $1200.

2) No Name Tandem;
This is also a fillet brazed steel frame. The frame was originally set up 
for cantilever brakes, but currently wears Shimano dual pivot sidepulls. 
Rear derailer is an older Shimano Deore. Note the neat elbow cable guide 
below the stem. Captain's seat post is 57 cm and stoker's seat post is 
41cm, measured center-to-center. This bike will also easily accommodate 
wider rubber than it is currently wearing. Asking $600

3) Jacquie's First Mountain Bike
This is a vintage Raleigh Sprite. Sports a Brooks B72 saddle (leather is 
rather firm), five cogs in back, a steel cottered crankset, rear rack and a 
front basket. The seat post is 53.5cm measured center-to-center. Asking 
$300.

Jacquie would prefer the bikes find homes locally, but is open to having 
any or all of them boxed and shipped provided the buyer pays for boxing and 
shipping. If you are interested in any of the bikes, please contact Jacquie 
(jacquie "at" batnet.com ) directly.

I have uploaded several photos here 
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/3HvetLYvHveNPxPd6>. Let me know if you want more 
photos; if so - specifically what you want to see.

Thanks,

Corwin

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[RBW] Re: FS: Headsets and Chains

[Corwin]

Bump!

Jacquie and Charlie want everyone to know they still have lots of headsets 
and chains for anyone that wants or needs one or both.

Please contact Jacquie (jacquie "at" batnet.com) if you're interested.

Thanks,


Corwin

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:08 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:

> Hi -
>
> Posting this for a couple friends. Charlie Cunningham and Jacquie Phelan 
> have an ample store of spare parts. Today, we offer you WTB headsets and 
> Sachs/Sedis chains. Please send mail directly to Jacquie: Jacquie at 
> batnet.com. Payment should be via paypal using Jacquie's email address. 
> Friends and family only please. Please do not send any money until Jacquie 
> confirms your purchase.
>
> About the headsets... These are WTB Grease Guard headsets. Grease Guard 
> was a "thing" back in the early days of mountain biking. Charlie created 
> Grease Guard and SunTour licensed it. Wilderness Trail Bikes (WTB) is the 
> company Charlie founded and was later forced out of. These are 1" threaded 
> headsets, and are new-in-box. Each box is personally signed by Charlie, so 
> you not only get a great headset - you get a piece of history and a 
> collector's item. The headsets are priced at $75 plus shipping via USPS.
>
> About the chains... These are Sachs/Sedis 6/7/8 speed chains. They measure 
> 57 inches long and therefore have 114 links each. The chains are new and 
> unused. You can buy a less expensive chain elsewhere - or you can buy one 
> of these Sachs/Sedis chains, get a piece of history and help out Jacquie 
> and Charlie. The chains are priced at $40 each plus shipping via USPS.
>
> Link for photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/FMZGGcXysNkzkBBR7
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
>
> Corwin
>

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[RBW] Re: That new rear derailer

[Corwin]

Not to belabor the point - but...

My question was not "Will the new derailer index?". My question was "How 
many people that disdain rapid rise have actually tried it?" Based on my 
experience using drivetrain components not matched [or not quite matched] 
for each other, I am not likely to try indexing on a derailer not 
specifically designed to index. I do think rapid rise is unfairly maligned.

Regards,

Corwin

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 8:33:09 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> iamkeith followed up, saying: "I wish I could find the old Blahg or 
> Peeking through the Knothole or Reader article where they were tossing 
> around the idea of the reversible spring.  It seemed so genius and simple 
> to me.   Though I suspect you're right - it probably wasn't simple at all."
>
> I think the idea of a reversible action rear derailer would be super 
> cute.  As a feature it's a strong 'nice to have'.  The problem is that you 
> can't achieve that feature with a normal Cable+return spring mechanism 
> unless the derailer itself is made up of parts that can be disassembled and 
> reassembled.  If we made that feature (reversibility) a "MUST HAVE", then 
> the way to achieve it would be to ditch the traditional mechanism.  We'd 
> design a desmodrmic actuation method.  This means we actively move it in 
> both directions and there is no return spring.  Old french rear derailers, 
> made famous by Bicycle Quarterly had a continuous loop of cable actuating 
> the rear der.  You could take your 1950's Rene Herse and give it a SICK 
> Grant Pedersen flavor by reinstalling the cable in a figure 8: now it's 
> Rapid Rise Rene!  Alternatively, one could fashion a hydraulic actuation 
> method that pushes the RD in each direction.  It's trivial to insert a 
> control valve that flips this flow and makes it Rapid Rise Hydro!  
>
> Either one would be fun projects.  I've got pretty copious design notes on 
> both of the above.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:49:24 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> iamkeith asked one question and then implied a second question by 
>>> stating a wonder.
>>> The question:
>>>
>>
>> I don't always do as good of a Job as Bill at making the message-posting 
>> sequence as clear as Bill does, but my message - and rhetorical query of my 
>> own - was mostly meant as a response to Corwin's question.  My point was 
>> that I too suspect indexing might actually work for those who want it - 
>> though there's no way I could know for sure yet.   I was just hoping 
>> somebody might.   My other point was that I agree with Corwin saying that 
>> there's absolutely nothing to "hate" about rapid-rise.   But both options 
>> are still nice to have.  Horses for courses.
>>
>>
>>  A convertible Rivendell RD would achieve what?  It would allow people 
>>> who love Rivendell but hate RapidRise to spend extra money on a Rivendell 
>>> RD, but flip it back to work the same as a cheap Shimano Altus that is 
>>> already awesome.  I don't see any point in that.  
>>>
>>>
>> Well, to me, it would offer an option to continue getting what will be 
>> presumably HIGH-quality and presumably polished silver,  normal-rise 
>> derailleurs - as opposed to 
>> perfectly-functional-but-cheap-and-not-attractive Altus derailleurs - which 
>> could help me keep my old (and new) bikes running with my preferred 7, 8 
>> and 9 speed drivetrains.  I've long since tired of cruising ebay, looking 
>> for obsolete parts, but I like what I like.  It would be wonderful to have 
>> a new and in-productcion option available.  And "yes," supporting Riv would 
>> just makes it that much better.  Not saying I won't buy one or more anyway 
>> - just daydreaming out loud.
>>
>> I wish I could find the old Blahg or Peeking through the Knothole or 
>> Reader article where they were tossing around the idea of the reversible 
>> spring.  It seemed so genius and simple to me.   Though I suspect you're 
>> right - it probably wasn't simple at all.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:30:24 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a reason this derailleur couldn't be used with index shifters 
>>>> if someone was so inclined?  Grant said they copied the parallelogram 
>>>> geometry from Shimano.  I assumed that meant it had a 1.66:1 cable pull 
>>>> r

[RBW] Re: That new rear derailer

[Corwin]

I tried rapid rise last time I was in Walnut Creek. I really liked it. I 
ditched friction about ten years ago though. Dislike friction for the same 
reason I like rapid rise: Hills! The San Francisco Bay Area is the home of 
long hills, steep hills and long, steep hills. I can't count the times I 
have been grinding up a hill with a derailleur in friction only to have my 
rear derailleur decide I was in the wrong gear and shift for me.

But rapid rise? It makes it trivial to get to a bigger cog. Just bought a 
rapid rise derailleur for my new Roadeo. Up till recently, I could not see 
any point in rapid rise. Now that I have tried it - it makes perfect sense. 
I wonder how many people that disdain rapid rise have actually tried it?

Namaste,

Corwin

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:33:25 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> I’m definitely in for at least one. 
>
> I’m also curious about the V-brakes. The feature of being able to open far 
> enough to clear a fat tire has me sold. 
>
> Ray
>
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:33:54 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>
>> From the Blahh:
>> “Yesterday our first sample rear derailer was sent to us from ye olde 
>> People's Republic of China, made by the same people who've made the 
>> derailers many of you are riding with now, assuming they are not Shimano or 
>> Microshift or Campagnolo. They made it according to our design, which 
>> borrowed some of its geometry from Shimano's Rapid Rise derailers, which I 
>> ordinarily wouldn't do, but justify now because Shimano has discontinued 
>> this style of derailer, and it's too good to be extinct. If Shimano decides 
>> to make them again, which NO WAY, they'd have to do it before we sink tons 
>> of money and have to stop and disappoint the factory and lose all kinds of 
>> international face. It's complicated. Nobody in Taiwan is interested. 
>> Nobody in America is capable beyond "theoretically." It sure can't happen 
>> in Europe. A small CNC machinist is not going to do it, assembly and all, 
>> for less than a price to us that would mean a price to you of less than 
>> $800. So please don't punch up at your beloved Rivendell or an unbeloved me 
>> for "going to China."  China is the only way these are gonna get made 
>> before Kingdom Come. Your buddy the machinist is not capable of making one 
>> of these in a form and with a price that will work.”
>>
>> I’ll also be ordering at least one of these. I’ve wasted enough dollars 
>> and hours trying to find a RD that will fit a 11-40t cassettes and keep the 
>> chain tight with a double crankset (46/30t). This looks like a shinny 
>> silver bullet solution for a fair price. 
>>
>> Does it look like a 11t jockey and 13t pulley?
>>
>> On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 17:22:13 UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Big pulley and rapid rise. Gonna buy a couple of these.
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-04-29 at 8.21.30 PM.png]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Headsets and Chains

[Corwin]

Hi -

Posting this for a couple friends. Charlie Cunningham and Jacquie Phelan 
have an ample store of spare parts. Today, we offer you WTB headsets and 
Sachs/Sedis chains. Please send mail directly to Jacquie: Jacquie at 
batnet.com . Payment should be via paypal using 
Jacquie's email address. Friends and family only please. Please do not send 
any money until Jacquie confirms your purchase.

About the headsets... These are WTB Grease Guard headsets. Grease Guard was 
a "thing" back in the early days of mountain biking. Charlie created Grease 
Guard and SunTour licensed it. Wilderness Trail Bikes (WTB) is the company 
Charlie founded and was later forced out of. These are 1" threaded 
headsets, and are new-in-box. Each box is personally signed by Charlie, so 
you not only get a great headset - you get a piece of history and a 
collector's item. The headsets are priced at $75 plus shipping via USPS.

About the chains... These are Sachs/Sedis 6/7/8 speed chains. They measure 
57 inches long and therefore have 114 links each. The chains are new and 
unused. You can buy a less expensive chain elsewhere - or you can buy one 
of these Sachs/Sedis chains, get a piece of history and help out Jacquie 
and Charlie. The chains are priced at $40 each plus shipping via USPS.

Link for photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/FMZGGcXysNkzkBBR7

Thanks for looking,


Corwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Corwin]

Thanks very much for all the sentiments about my original custom. The worst 
part about having a bike stolen is not being able to use the same 
components building a replacement because they are no longer available. The 
best part is being able to try new stuff like Onyx hubs with the Spraag 
clutch.

I readily admit there are lots of people who love step-thru and mixte 
frames and prefer them. For whatever reason. I have no problem there. I 
ride several times every week with two of them. I am married to one of 
them. My wife would not ride if it were not for our Hubbuhubbuh. She bugs 
me several times every week to take her out for a ride. She is disabled and 
cannot ride without me. But even before she was disabled, she was not 
interested in exercise in any form. The step-thru stoker position makes it 
easy for her to enjoy a bike ride.

Another fan of the Hubbuhubbuh step-thru stoker position is Charlie 
Cunningham. We usually ride once each week. Charlie is no slouch (got tenth 
at NORBA). You cannot make him sore or short of breath. An all day bike 
ride with lots of hills (such as climbing Mt Tam, or Fairfax to Petaluma 
and back) will tire him out. But Charlie has pistons for legs. He is a 
powerful stoker. But he prefers riding upright in a step-thru frame.

I care not for step-thru or upright. My Hubbuhubbuh and the 
Cunningham-Phelan Hubbuhubbuh provide me with a stark contrast. Mine is set 
up with Albastache and a Fizik Aliante saddle. When I take my wife out, it 
just feels natural. As if the bike was molded beneath me as I got on. I 
think there is a lot to muscle memory. I spent many years in an aerodynamic 
crouch (but not the aerodynamic crouch of today with arm rests, elbows 
tucked, etc), churning up the hills of southern California. When I'm on the 
Phelan-Cunningham Hubbuhubbuh, I feel as though I have to work much harder 
to climb a given hill or maintain a given pace. I am sure Grant and Mark 
are much faster than me - even riding upright. Speed is not the point for 
me. Riding in drops/mustache/alabstche/etc. just feels right.

Thanks,


Corwin
On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> LOL!   Good joke!  
>
> Patrick Moore himself picked a steel diamond frame to be his only bike. 
> If Patrick Moore won't pick a trike as his forever bike, there is no way 
> in hell I'm going to!  
>
> Seriously though, to repeat, if I could only ride a trike I would rarely 
> ride at all in the Bay Area.  If I could only ride a trike, the logistics 
> of getting the thing into and out of my garage would be a major 
> discouragement.  Even a racing trike which I probably could do a brevet on 
> (and which is steel, let's acknowledge), I wouldn't want to be that wide on 
> a San Francisco Randonneurs event.  If I had to just ride a trike, I would 
> either quit cycling altogether -OR- I would have to build a different life 
> for myself, in a different location.  I'm sure those places exist, but I 
> don't live in one of those places.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 10:05:31 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 10:18 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> .. If I had to give up all my bikes and only use a trike, I'd 
>>> regretfully but probably quickly become much less of a cyclist.  I'd be 
>>> scared to ride in traffic.  It would be a very difficult extraction from my 
>>> garage.  My randonneuring career would be immediately over with.  I 
>>> couldn't handle sacrificing the relatively fit 53-70 years of my cycling 
>>> career in exchange for the insurance of having a trike on hand in my 90s.  
>>> Too high a price. 
>>>
>>
>> Bill: This could be you at 90 (well, you'd have to dye your hair):
>> [image: image.png]
>> Or, more age-appropriate. These guys must be pushing 90:
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> Patrick "the funnest part of riding a trike is cornering" Moore, who sort 
>> of misses his 2.
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Corwin]

I readily admit that mixte and step-through frames serve a valuable purpose 
for those with trouble throwing a leg over the rear wheel, saddle, top 
tube, etc. But I reject the notion that one must slow down just because 
they have achieved a certain age. I have been on numerous club rides in the 
hills of the East Bay where guys as much as thirty years older than me 
simply rode away from me on the hills. I'm a decent climber - and not only 
have they ridden away from me going uphill - they have ridden away going 
down as well!

I think there is a great deal of value in maintaining the flexibility 
required to throw a leg over. I see no reason to stop now or ever. Like 
Grant, I plan to ride (and surf, scuba dive, etc.) right up to the end. We 
need not be stopped by the aging process.

My one bike would be a close contest between my original custom and my 
Bianchi Cross Project. My original custom was stolen a little more than a 
year ago. A new one is in the works. I hope to be on it by the end of the 
year.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:37:02 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> I don't know if I have mentioned this before,  but your green custom 
> Matthews with SA hub is a thing of beauty.
>
> Ian A Alberta Canada
>
>
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 5:09:07 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The apocalypse/age angle came later; the original question was, if one 
>> only, which one?
>>
>> Me, tho' I'm quite clear which "one and only" I'd choose, I'd like to 
>> propose a followup thread: Gunman holds gun to (your) temple, sez: "It's 
>> your life; I don't care. Which *second* bike would you keep, after 
>> relegating #s 3 sq to the abyss?" (Eloquent gunman, that.) I think another 
>> responder already broached this thread extension.
>>
>> I'll lead: My 2020 Chauncey Matthews clone of 2003 Curt Goodrich 26" 
>> wheel Road custom, but tweaked with Grant-forbiddent things like hub gear 
>> and very weird braze-on embellishments (details upon request). The 2003 was 
>> a near clone of the 1999, and the Matthews replicates it in thinner wall, 
>> thinner gauge tubing, for -- Yes! -- that true planing experience. That the 
>> '03 was too stout I realized after 15 years.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, grimly bottom-trimming for the common good, in ABQ, NM.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 4:40 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>
>>> Kinda late to this one, but if the point of the question is to call 
>>> attention to the virtues of step-through frames for the aging cyclist I 
>>> agree with the sentiment that a tadpole-style trike is a better choice for 
>>> those with a whole host of musculoskeletal ailments and/or balance issues. 
>>> Back to the wall, if I could only have one bike for the rest of my life 
>>> it’d be an aluminum e-assist trike, which is about as anti-Riv as you can 
>>> get.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Waterford Roadeo

[Corwin]

Hi Gabriel -

Congratulations on selling the frame. Very glad you were able to sell the 
brakes and headset as well.

Bill's frame is a little bit closer to what I am looking for anyway.

Have a great weekend.

Regards,


Corwin

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:28:21 PM UTC-7 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Corwin, crazy timing.  I just gave up on selling the complete and sold the 
> frame, brakes, and headset earlier this week.  The other parts listed in OP 
> are available if you or anyone else is interested.  Thank you,
> -Gabe  
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 3:51:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Corwin
>>
>> I have a white with red 59cm Roadeo.  I had listed it complete, but I 
>> could consider selling frame and for with a Chris King headset for $1750 
>> plus shipping.  Let me know if you are interested
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:07:37 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Gabriel -
>>>
>>> Do you still have the bike? Any chance you would go for selling the 
>>> frame alone?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 2:32:46 PM UTC-8 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bump
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 11:16:36 AM UTC-6 Gabriel Bruguier 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bump: bike is still available.  I have some offers for the frame and 
>>>>> assorted parts, but would strongly prefer to sell the complete.  Please 
>>>>> make an offer if interested in complete.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 4:12:27 PM UTC-6 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you, Jonathan!!!  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your question, Bill!  Yes, the rear hub is still 135mm.  I 
>>>>>> didn't spread out the rear spacing on the frame to 135mm, but when I was 
>>>>>> initially building up the bike I thought I might have to.  However, I 
>>>>>> found 
>>>>>> that the rear wheel installed with less fight than I expected, or, than 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> have experienced with other frames I've squeezed oversized hubs into.  
>>>>>> And 
>>>>>> the wheel was aligned fine in the stays, at least upon visual 
>>>>>> inspection.  
>>>>>> So I suspected that it might have been spread by a previous owner, 
>>>>>> though I 
>>>>>> never measured or looked into it any further.  It rode beautifully so I 
>>>>>> didn't pursue it further, though I'd be willing to if it is a concern 
>>>>>> for a 
>>>>>> future buyer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 2:45:15 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I own a 59cm Roadeo and it is indeed a terrific road bike.  On 
>>>>>>> behalf of your potential customers, I guess I have a question.  The 
>>>>>>> Roadeo 
>>>>>>> is clearly a straight ahead conventional and contemporary road 
>>>>>>> frameset.  
>>>>>>> As such it is built from the factory with 130mm spacing, to take any 
>>>>>>> normal 
>>>>>>> road wheelset.  Your build list indicates you are running Deore XT 
>>>>>>> hubs, 
>>>>>>> which by definition are 135mm.  Can you clear up that apparent 
>>>>>>> mismatch?  
>>>>>>> Was the frameset spread out by you or a previous owner from 130 to 
>>>>>>> 135mm?  
>>>>>>> Was the rear hub respaced to 130mm by the shop that built the wheelset? 
>>>>>>>  Or 
>>>>>>> are you just squeezing it in there and it seems to work?  Lots of other 
>>>>>>> Rivendells are 135mm in back, like the Atlantis, A Homer Hilsen and 
>>>>>>> Hillborne, among others.  Some historical Rivendells were deliberately 
>>>>>>> made 
>>>>>>> with 132.5mm spacing so they'd take either/or.  The Romulus was one of 
>>>>>>> those.  Perhaps your buyer would like to hear the story there.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 5:07:3

[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Waterford Roadeo

[Corwin]

Hey Gabriel -

Do you still have the bike? Any chance you would go for selling the frame 
alone?

Thanks,

Corwin

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 2:32:46 PM UTC-8 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Bump
>
> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 11:16:36 AM UTC-6 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>
>> Bump: bike is still available.  I have some offers for the frame and 
>> assorted parts, but would strongly prefer to sell the complete.  Please 
>> make an offer if interested in complete.
>>
>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 4:12:27 PM UTC-6 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Jonathan!!!  
>>>
>>> Thanks for your question, Bill!  Yes, the rear hub is still 135mm.  I 
>>> didn't spread out the rear spacing on the frame to 135mm, but when I was 
>>> initially building up the bike I thought I might have to.  However, I found 
>>> that the rear wheel installed with less fight than I expected, or, than I 
>>> have experienced with other frames I've squeezed oversized hubs into.  And 
>>> the wheel was aligned fine in the stays, at least upon visual inspection.  
>>> So I suspected that it might have been spread by a previous owner, though I 
>>> never measured or looked into it any further.  It rode beautifully so I 
>>> didn't pursue it further, though I'd be willing to if it is a concern for a 
>>> future buyer.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 2:45:15 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I own a 59cm Roadeo and it is indeed a terrific road bike.  On behalf 
>>>> of your potential customers, I guess I have a question.  The Roadeo is 
>>>> clearly a straight ahead conventional and contemporary road frameset.  As 
>>>> such it is built from the factory with 130mm spacing, to take any normal 
>>>> road wheelset.  Your build list indicates you are running Deore XT hubs, 
>>>> which by definition are 135mm.  Can you clear up that apparent mismatch?  
>>>> Was the frameset spread out by you or a previous owner from 130 to 135mm?  
>>>> Was the rear hub respaced to 130mm by the shop that built the wheelset?  
>>>> Or 
>>>> are you just squeezing it in there and it seems to work?  Lots of other 
>>>> Rivendells are 135mm in back, like the Atlantis, A Homer Hilsen and 
>>>> Hillborne, among others.  Some historical Rivendells were deliberately 
>>>> made 
>>>> with 132.5mm spacing so they'd take either/or.  The Romulus was one of 
>>>> those.  Perhaps your buyer would like to hear the story there.  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 5:07:33 PM UTC-8 Gabriel Bruguier 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Up for sale is my 59cm Roadeo, built by Waterford, with threaded 
>>>>> fork.  It is the Maroon colorway shown on the Riv product page 
>>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/roadeo> (or very close to that 
>>>>> color).  This frame has mid-fork eyelets installed.  As far as I know, I 
>>>>> am 
>>>>> the third owner.  I bought it off a fellow RBWOB lister last winter, rode 
>>>>> it over the spring and summer, but it has been stored in the garage since 
>>>>> then.  I love the bike but I don't foresee as much use as I'd like, and 
>>>>> would rather send it on to a new home.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frame is in good used shape.  There are plenty of signs of beausage on 
>>>>> the paint, but no dents or rust.  I sprayed it with Boeshield before 
>>>>> building it up.  It has never been crashed to my knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's Riv's geometry chart with a link to PBH sizing recommendations. 
>>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/articles/geometry-charts>  My PBH is 
>>>>> right around 85, and this size worked for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Photos are here. 
>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1rucsfNNurgLFjIWggwqo1wUr9Iqzup1j?usp=sharing>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> The build list is below.  The front der, wheels, brakes, brake levers, 
>>>>> and shifters were from a previous build, but are in good shape.  Though 
>>>>> there is some scraping on shifters and levers.  All other parts were 
>>>>> bought 
>>>>> new.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am asking $3500 for the complete b

[RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Water Bottle Cage

[Corwin]

David -

You got a good deal. Jan wants $79 for them (plus shipping) 
<https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/bottlescages/nitto-r-bottle-cage/>.
 
I have paid $80 in the past.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:27:46 AM UTC-8 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Last year I took a friend to visit Topanga Creek Outfitters, a unique bike 
> shop in the L.A. area.  While we were there I thought I would buy something 
> to help support the shop.  I ran across a shelf in the back with some Nitto 
> stuff and grabbed an R bottle cage without looking at the price tag (hidden 
> under a layer of dust).  It wasn't till I went to pay for it that I was hit 
> with sticker shock.  $75 for a water bottle cage? Yikes.  I figured I'd dip 
> into some of that stimulus money the government was giving out and 
> splurge.  Given the amount of dust that had collected on top of the box, I 
> figured those cages had been sitting around while and at that price would 
> be sitting around awhile longer, so I helped them move one.  I have to say 
> that it does look nice on my Hillborne.
>
> David
>
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:08:27 AM UTC-8 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> Anybody have a couple Nitto R model cages they aren't using? I need a 
>> couple for a Roadeo I just bought.
>> thanks
>> RIchard
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Corwin]

Santa Susana pass. I have not visited the area in many years. But that 
brings back memories of my first century - more than 45 years ago. Started 
at PCH and Topanga Canyon Blvd. Up Topanga Canyon, north to where the 118 
is today. East to Thousand Oaks and back to PCH via Decker Canyon Road. 
Most vivid memories from that ride were a guy smoking a cigarette after we 
climbed Santa Susana pass and my eating five quarter pounders in Thousand 
Oaks (had not eaten anything that day).

Not suggesting Topanga Canyon Blvd (or any other street) is rideable or 
unrideable.


Corwin

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 7:15:30 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:

> I am working from home at the moment but will soon be going back to the 
> office. Unfortunately we had to move from the house we were renting which 
> was 1 1/4 miles from my office, where I could bike every day, to the other 
> side of the Santa Susana pass, in late 2020. My office is in Chatsworth CA, 
> but we now live in Simi Valley. 
> The only bike route through is the Santa Susana pass and SR-27 - Topanga 
> Canyon Blvd, which I am too nervous to ride. It is also very hilly in the 
> middle. 
> I plan to ride to the Metrolink train and take my bike one stop, then ride 
> from there. I love bike commuting, such a great way to start and end the 
> day. 
>
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 5:36:35 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Kudos. It's always nice to have your bike comfortably parked by your 
>> desk. And it's hard to beat Ortliebs for price/performance/durability, even 
>> looks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who works at home, but can sneak out for mid-afternoon 
>> rides in the bosque, as today.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:59 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm finally set up and have been riding the entire week on my Platypus. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Corwin]

The Mountain Bike Museum sells lots more than frames...

Every time I go by there, I am tempted by at least a couple of their bikes.


Corwin
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 5:06:47 PM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Didn't realize the Mountain Bike Museum was selling frames
> Road Standard dimensions are on this never-quite finished resource - 
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/
>
> Here's the direct link to the image
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg
>
> I will say it sort hurts to hear a '95 described as "vintage" but 
> there ya go.
>
> Good frame - won't have quite the tire clearances we're seeing on more 
> recent models, of course. Horizontal dropouts, too. 
>
> Jim
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:49:47 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I saw this ad and I am very tempted: 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html
>>
>> I'm going to see it next week to decide.
>>
>> 1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 
>>
>> 2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other 
>> tips or advice on this particular frame? 
>>
>> -Adrianna
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv backpack?

[Corwin]

Not take anything away from the backpack being offered - but Rivendell 
Mountain Works is in business again:

https://www.rivendellmountainworks.com/

Thanks,


Corwin

On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 12:46:41 PM UTC-8 Norman R wrote:

> RMW backpack (favorably remarked upon by Grant, I recall). Barely used, no 
> blemishes. If this is what you meant, let me know.
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 3:09:19 PM UTC-5 Wally Estrella wrote:
>
>> sorry, I can't recall the name of the RBW backpacks from many moons ago.
>> Anyone have one in decent condition they'd part with?  I'd trade a 
>> new/unworn short brimmed orange RBW hat and $ for one it. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/aug-20-no-26-lugs-new-bikes-used-bikes
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Wally in the land of only one area code.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 61cm Ritchey Road Frame/Fork/ Headset

[Corwin]

Hi Brian -

What are the widest tires this frame will handle?

Thanks,


Corwin

On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 4:53:40 PM UTC-8 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Given the shared DNA between Ritchey & Rivendell, I thought this might be 
> of some interest to RBW members. It is also posted on the i-BOB list.
>
> Selling what I believe to be a 1977 or 1978, Tom Ritchey road frame, fork 
> and alloy Campagnolo Record headset. The frame is fully fillet brazed as 
> was Tom's specialty.
>
> 61cm seat tube c-t
> 57cm top tube c-c
> 1" threaded Campagnolo alloy headset
> 130mm rear spacing
> 27.2 seat post
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WyXABuccLLtM4rR19
>
> I purchased this frame from the second owner (that is what he told me) who 
> moved from Northern California to Swarthmore, Pa to teach at Swarthmore 
> College in the 1980's.
>
> The bike sat in his damp basement for a couple of decades and as such 
> needed a complete restoration to bring it back to riding condition. He also 
> drilled the brake mounting holes so he could mount recessed brake calipers.
>
> I sent it to Franklin Frames where it was stripped, primed and re-painted 
> in Imron Metallic Berry. The decals are vinyl transfers from Velocals.
>
> I had Jack at Franklin Frames inspect the brake mounting holes ( he said 
> they were fine) cold set the rear to 130mm and add a second set of water 
> bottle mounts. The bike was aligned (front & rear) and shifted flawlessly 
> when I had it set up with 10 speed indexed Shimano components.
>
> I am asking $1,000 plus shipping via Bike Flight.  I am in Berwyn PA, 
> 19312. Payment via Paypal or Venmo with the buyer to cover and fees. I am 
> also willing to drive and hour to deliver or have some one pick up if they 
> are local.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Campbell
> Berwyn, PA
>

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Re: [RBW] 8-speed, 12-34 cassette

[Corwin]

$80 is not a problem. Trying to get to a range of 100" to 30" in a 1x setup 
using a 44 tooth chainring. 34 only gets to 35".

Thanks for the data point.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 12:13:14 PM UTC-7 gkmur...@gmail.com wrote:

> IRD has a 12-34 but pricing is like $80. I try to just stick with Shimano 
> or SRAM when I can. 
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 3:27 PM Garth  wrote:
>
>> Sunarace is the only mfr. of the 12-34 8-sp using 12/14/16/18/21/24/28/34 
>> cogs. Microshift has a 12-32 but uses a very wonky 12/13/15/18/21/24/28/32. 
>> A 15 to 18 jump is too much for my riding preference with 24/36/44 rings. 
>> It's like a gear and a half jump where you don't want one. 
>>
>> What I like about Sunrace CSM double-digit mtb cassettes is that they're 
>> held together by a removable torx pin, so if need be I can by another 
>> non-exact cassette with the cogs I ride most, the 14/16/18/21/24 and use 
>> the previous 28 and 32, or if it the other had a 34 I'd be okay with that.
>>
>> This gear calculator is very easy to use and customize even if a specific 
>> cassette isn't listed. Use you mouse and arrange things as you like.
>>
>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/
>>
>> Basically though, cog selection in mfr. cassettes sucks ! I have no use 
>> for 11, 12 or even 13 for that matter. I currently have a Sunrace 12-36 
>> 9-sp that I don't use either the 12 or 36 cogs, so I basically use it as a 
>> narrow spaced 7-speed. The 36 is my "spoke guard" !  I could just as easily 
>> get by with 15/17/20/24/28/32 cogs if anyone offered it. Six cog SS/trials 
>> cassette hubs are made by Hadley, Hope and Onyx. If I had it my way 
>> everyone would choose their cassette cogs that had a mind to, the weight 
>> weenies need not apply because they'll put up with anything as long as the 
>> digits read like tea leaves. 
>> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 10:39:12 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I've been buying the 11-32 Shimano and SRAM.  I think the gearing is 
>>> slightly better on the SRAM.  I like an 11.  32 seems to be sufficient.  
>>>  Look at the gearing calculators on Sheldon Brown.com
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 10:03:40 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is a 13-34 7 speed cassette from IRD, I have had it on my touring 
>>>> bike for the last year.  Steve
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 9:31 AM J Schwartz  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Greetings, 
>>>>> Anyone know if there's an available 12-34, 8-speed cassette out there 
>>>>> besides the Sunrace?
>>>>> Not that I'm opposed to Sunrace.  Just curious if there are other 
>>>>> options.  Looks like Shimano/Sram don't have that in their current lineup.
>>>>> thank you
>>>>> JS
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: 8-speed, 12-34 cassette

[Corwin]

Hi -

While we're at it, I've been looking for a 12-40 9 speed cassette to go on 
a 1x setup for my new custom (replacing the one stolen earlier this year).

I would probably go with an 8 speed cassette except that Shimano 8 speed 
bar end shifters have become rather hard to find.

Thanks in advance,

Corwin

On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 6:31:35 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings, 
> Anyone know if there's an available 12-34, 8-speed cassette out there 
> besides the Sunrace?
> Not that I'm opposed to Sunrace.  Just curious if there are other options. 
>  Looks like Shimano/Sram don't have that in their current lineup.
> thank you
> JS
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: rack for platypus

[Corwin]

Hi -

Sorry. I don't have a basket rack to sell. But I have bought two, and have 
used them for two years now. I recommend the Nitto basket rack sold by Riv 
very highly. The addition of the Captain Hook basket net (and potentially a 
basket as well) makes the rack much more useful.

I will admit to paying the pre-inflationary price of $250 each - which 
seemed high even then.

Namaste,

Corwin
On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi friends, I'm looking for a rack that's suitable for my size 50 
> platypus, which will be here on Tuesday! I'm especially interested in the 
> Rivendell nitto rack that's currently out of stock, but I'm open to others. 
> TIA!

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Corwin]

Hi Johnny -

I have a Hubbuhubbuh with Schwalbe Hurricane Ridge Tires. Mounted on 
Velocity Cliffhanger rims, they measure approximately 61mm from 
sidewall-to-sidewall. This does not include the outside knobs. I have SKS 
Blumels fenders <https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/bluemels-75-u/>. 
Blumels are advertised to take tires up to 65mm. I recommend them highly. 
You might need to do a little carving with a file or dremel to get them to 
fit inside your frame. But the coverage is wonderful.

Be sure to get the "long" version. The ones that are not "long" take 
protect people behind you, but not your drivetrain. I got mine from 
Rivendell. I expect these fenders to last many, many years.

Namaste,


Corwin
On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:45:34 AM UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
> Winter is coming **
>
> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>
> Here's where I'm at... 
>
>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>Californians 
>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>look really short (here 
>
> <https://www.rivbike.com/collections/fenders/products/sks-esge-commuter-ii-silver-fenders-b65-700c-29er>
>  is 
>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>
> <https://velo-orange.com/collections/700c-fenders/products/vo-fluted-63mm-fenders-700c?variant=50650678343>
>
> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>
> thank you,
> Johnny B in Portland
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Free To Good Home - Bars, Levers, Brakes, etc.

[Corwin]

Hi -

The frame and components are gone.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 2:57:25 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:

> Hi -
>
> The pics of the frame below show several parts of a Simple One I bought 
> and modified for my son to ride as a commuter. The frame eventually failed. 
> I have discussed this extensively with Grant. This frame did not fail 
> because of any inherent defect. Let's just say my son has a "don't spare 
> the horses" style of riding. I have also discussed repairing the frame. 
> Since all three main tubes are compromised or busted, the cost of a repair 
> is more than the frame is worth.
>
> The [3T/13cm] stem and bottom bracket are intact - but I have neither the 
> time or patience to remove them. They may be seized. A decent pair of 
> Tektro 720 cantilever brakes are also intact. The bars are Nitto. Not sure 
> which model. Definitely not Noodles. They have a horizontal flare at the 
> ends. Levers are Tektro RL520. You could possibly use the fork and headset 
> once you got the stem out.
>
> The whole shebang is available FREE! for pickup in the San Francisco Bay 
> Area. I will not be shipping this collection. We are located in Richmond, 
> California for those of you interested in pickup. Let's be clear about the 
> terms associated with this collection: If you want any part(s) of this 
> collection, you must take all/everything.
>
> Contact me offlist if you are interested.
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Corwin]

Hi Matthew -

I was not in Santa Monica. Great area though. I lived in Westchester. My 
route was bordered on the west by Loyola Marymount, on the east by 
Sepulveda Boulevard, on the north by the bluffs overlooking the Hughes 
property. Most of my route was north of 80th street. I did have about a 
dozen customers south of 80th. Mostly at the start of the route. Since I 
picked up the papers on Dunbarton behind the elementarty school, I usually 
rode the route starting from the southwest corner, working my way east 
riding up one street and down another. Never made much money - but it was a 
lot of fun. Now all the houses there are zero-lot-line McMansions. Were it 
not for the street signs, you could never recognize the area.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:39:58 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:

> Hey Patrick -
>
> Great thread! I was a paper boy. I don't think this contributed to me 
> being a "bikey" - but it definitely required some growing on my part. I was 
> about 12 (circa 1971) when we started. The route was originally my 
> brother's (13 months younger). I took over the route when he decided he no 
> longer wanted it.
>
> The paper was the Santa Monica Evening Outlook. It was a six-day-a-week, 
> evening paper. The weekend edition came out on Saturday. In my 
> neighborhood, the papers were dropped off about 3:30pm behnd the elementary 
> school. Since we got out of [junior high] school at 1:30pm, this was not a 
> problem. We had to fold, rubber band and load the papers into a "bag" - 
> issued by the paper - for delivery. It has always amused me that after a 
> week or two, you could grab a handful of rubber bands and have exactly the 
> right number for your load of papers. The bag was actually two canvas bags 
> connected via fabric in the middle which allowed you to drape it over a 
> rear rack, and had a hole in the middle which allowed you to carry it on 
> your shoulders with one bag in front, and the other on your back. My route 
> varied from 40 to about 85 papers. When the papers were heavy (as on 
> Saturdays), the bag could easily weigh more than fifty pounds. Since 
> draping the bag over the rack caused the bike to fishtail constantly, I 
> always carried the bag on my shoulders.
>
> My paper was $2.25/month. Given I pay about $20/month for the San 
> Francisco Chronicle (hardcopy on Sundays only) and $10/month for the NY 
> Times (online edition only) today - this seems like it was an incredible 
> deal. Especially since many of my customers got the paper for free. We were 
> charged for the number of papers we were given each month. It was up to me 
> to collect in order to make any money. This is probably why my brother 
> pawned the route off on me. Frequently, you would knock on someone's door; 
> you could hear people inside laughing and talking. But they never answered 
> the door. In reality - this probably only happened 15 or 20% of the time. 
> But it was always frustrating. Especially after daylight savings time ended 
> and you were delivering papers in the dark.
>
> It never got cold in Los Angeles, but it did rain occasionally. We got 
> plastic bags to put the papers in on those days. The bike we started out 
> with was supposedly a paper boy's bike. It had a stout (read HEAVY) steel 
> frame, and an equally stout steel rack. The rack was further fortified with 
> plywood on the top and sides to hold the "bag". This bike had one gear and 
> a coaster brake. Since I never used the rack, I quickly switched to my 
> Dad's Royce Union which was a litte bit lighter and also had a coaster 
> brake. I only recall a couple of occasions where the bike got a flat and we 
> had to get help from Mom to deliver the papers. Luckily, there were a 
> copule family friends (one was our little league coach), and we could call 
> for help.
>
> One of the critical aspects of my route was knowing which customers wanted 
> their paper delivered on the porch. We referred to this phenomenon as 
> customers wanting their paper "porched". I never considered throwing any 
> papers on a roof, since customers always called The Outlook and complained 
> if they didn't get their paper. The Outlook would call the local 
> distribution manager (my boss) and he would call me and tell me to get a 
> paper to them. Many times, I would head to their house with another paper 
> (we always got extras for such occasions) to discover the paper I delivered 
> where I had thrown it on their yard or (worse) dropped it on their porch.
>
> In addition to the Saturday paper, there was usually one day when the 
> paper was particularly full of news (read HEAVY). As I recall, Tuesday was 
> the heavy newsday. I was not terribly big at 12 years of age - and the bag 
> hung d

[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Corwin]

the front and back bags, and had to stop in order to use both 
hands. In hindsight, if I had the coordination and confidence to ride 
no-hands, and use both hands to swap the bags - I probably would have had 
an easier time.

I never made more than about $50 in a given month. Since I had to work so 
hard, collecting from people who were either not home or pretended not to 
be, I came to dread collecting. I never dreaded delivering the papers. That 
was more of a challenge. Even when it was raining. Collecting was a drag. 
And tips were rare for me. Even from customers who demanded I "porch" their 
paper. I think one of the objectives of The Outlook (and likely many other 
papers then and now), was to develop their paper boys/girls into young 
businesspeople - what we refer to as entrepreneurs today. We were 
encouraged to canvas our route and try to sign up new subscribers. I was 
never very good at this and did not attempt it very often. Most of the 
time, I got new subscribers when my boss gave me a new address, and told me 
they had taken out a subscription. The Outlook had a sweet deal where you 
could get a month's (or two) subscription for free in an effort to expand 
their subscriber base. One of the main lessons I learned from my paper 
route was that I did not want to be in business for myself. I did 
eventually stumble onto a couple businesses, and did OK in each - but they 
never were my primary source of income. I did well selling women's shoes in 
college - but the customers came to me and handed over their money before I 
parted with the product(s).

Namaste,


Corwin
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:11:33 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
> people in cars.
>
> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>
> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Purple Rivendell Custom - SF East Bay Area

[Corwin]

I put the bike on bikeindex.org.
On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:

> I got the serial number from Mark. A few pictures attached.
>
> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 7:48:03 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:
>
>> A few years ago I had a Trek 720 stolen.  I posted on bikeforums.net and 
>> was advised to list my bike on bikeindex.org.  I did so and did recover 
>> the frame as a result about a year and a half later.  Fortunately, I did 
>> have the serial number to list.  Without that, I suspect the listing would 
>> not have been effective.  Now, if I'm looking at a used bike to buy, I will 
>> search bikeindex to see if it might be listed.
>>
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>>
>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 12:44:34 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> That's a shame.  We should all keep an eye out for this bike.  Bikes 
>>> stolen in LA often go to the Bay Area, &  vice versa, hoping to evade local 
>>> eyes.  Probably a similar problem between Portland & Seattle.  
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 11:32:38 AM UTC-7 Joe M. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So sorry to hear this what a shame. I'm down in Los Angeles but I'll 
>>>> still keep an eye out for it.
>>>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 11:08:53 AM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>
>>>>> While I was out of town, someone entered my garage and made off with 
>>>>> two bikes. One of them was my purple Rivendell Custom. My understanding 
>>>>> from my son is that the theft took place late on Thursday, March 31 or 
>>>>> early on Friday, April 1.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it's reasonable to expect to recover the bike - but just 
>>>>> in case anyone sees it - I will post a few photos after this thread is 
>>>>> established.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Corwin
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Stolen Purple Rivendell Custom - SF East Bay Area

[Corwin]

Hi -

While I was out of town, someone entered my garage and made off with two 
bikes. One of them was my purple Rivendell Custom. My understanding from my 
son is that the theft took place late on Thursday, March 31 or early on 
Friday, April 1.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect to recover the bike - but just in 
case anyone sees it - I will post a few photos after this thread is 
established.

Thanks in advance,


Corwin

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Corwin]

Hi Bob -

Given that I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, I don't experience much in 
the way of cold weather. Your mention of the Wim Hof method piqued my 
interest though. I have been practicing the Wim Hof method for many years 
now. I bathe in cold water. I'm a diver, so I wear much a thinner wetsuit 
than others I dive with - and do not wear a hood. When I told Grant about 
the Wim Hof method, he looked at me as though I was crazy. Most of the 
time, I wear no gloves. Occasionally, I will wear a thin pair of silk or 
polypropylene liners.

Namaste,

Corwin

On Saturday, February 6, 2021 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-8 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> I usually wear three layers of wool (baselayer, jersey, jacket) to keep my 
> core warm but still allow for moisture removal so I don't sweat. (If it's 
> well below freezing, then a rain jacket goes on over a baselayer and a 
> sweater.) For my feet, I wear either trail shoes (adding a layer of saran 
> wrap over my toes above my socks) or insulated Merrell winter boots. A wool 
> watch cap covers my ears underneath a helmet, and a pair of softshell 
> gloves with glove liners underneath for my hands. 
>
> But lately I've found that my index fingers get super cold after a while, 
> no matter what I do. I've been doing the Wim Hof Method ice-cold showers 
> this past year, and I've noticed that I can sometimes get Raynaud-like 
> symptoms like Andy Cheatham, so I guess that explains that!
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ROADUNO - a new singlespeed!

[Corwin]

Hi -

I admit I have an older [coleman green] Quickbeam. My 38mm Schwalbe Dureme 
Supremes fit with room to spare. My Rene Herse 38mm Barlow Pass tires fit 
with OODLES of room to spare. I have seen numerous posts and articles 
ascribing usage of 44mm tires on Quickbeams. Perhaps your Rock'n Roads are 
a little wider (only advertised width I have seen is 43/44mm). Or maybe my 
calipers need to be recalibrated.

Anyway, I will stick with my Quickbeam.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-8 Berkeleyan wrote:

> Okay, after reading the obscure details on the R1, I stand corrected. 
> Despite the shocking shortcoming of its very limited PBH range, it has one 
> great advantage over the QB of yore, and THAT is support for wider tires. I 
> tried running Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Roads (38mm) on my Orange QB, and they 
> just only barely fit. Currently I roll on 38mm Ocean Air Soma C-Lines, 
> which fit just fine without fenders. But if the R1 will go well into the 
> mid-40's, yes, that is an improvement.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>

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[RBW] Tubolito Anyone?

[Corwin]

Hi -

Today walking through REI, I saw an orange plastic-looking tube called 
"Tubolito". I was shocked when I saw the price: $37.95. The Tubolito 
website (http:tubolito.com) claims they are lighter and stronger than other 
tubes.

Personally, I'm not inclined to spend $38 on a tube unless it's the last 
tube I will ever mount on a given wheel. Has anyone on this list has had 
experience with Tubolito tubes? Good? Bad? Unremarkable?

Namaste,

Corwin

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[RBW] Re: FS: September Blow Out

[Corwin]

Hi Luke -

Sorry. Shimano M324 pedals are gone.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 7:30:56 AM UTC-7 lukeheller wrote:

> I'll take the Shimano M324 pedals with powergrips if still available
>
> On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 12:36:45 PM UTC-4 Corwin wrote:
>
>> Hi Again -
>>
>> The pedals fell out. Here's what's left:
>>
>> 1) MKS Track Pedals. In great shape. Lots of miles left. $15 Shipped.
>>
>> 2) Shimano M324 Pedals. Includes the Power Grips attached. These are SPD 
>> pedals on one side, accommodate street shoes on the other. There is an SPD 
>> cleat stuck in one pedal. A great pair of pedals at a rock bottom price in 
>> exchange for your removing the cleat. $5 Shipped.
>>
>> 3) 18 tooth fixed gear cog $5 Shipped.
>>
>> 4) Ritchey 10 and 12cm Threadless Stems. In fantastic shape. Never 
>> mounted. Yours for $5 Shipped (each).
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 6:51:50 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Corwin I sent payment on the Nitto stems not realizing they were 
>>> 26.0 clamp. I'd like to actually pass on these if it's not too late.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 5:35:14 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>> PM sent on shifters.  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 3:31:27 AM UTC-4, Corwin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>
>>>>> In spite of the virus, the fires, etc., 2020 has been really good for 
>>>>> me. I seem to accumulate lots of parts. I have no room for them. So I 
>>>>> want 
>>>>> to send them to you! All prices below include shipping.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Silver friction levers mated to Shimano bar end pods. These are in 
>>>>> great shape and have lots of miles left in them. These are the original 
>>>>> Silver shifters - not the second generation recently released. $10 
>>>>> shipped.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Nitto Campee Rack. Not sure which rack this is - but it came off 
>>>>> the front of my son's SimpleOne. $10 shipped.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) MKS Track Pedals. Great, inexpensive, durable pedals. Also in great 
>>>>> shape. $15 shipped.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Vittoria 700c x 25/32mm tubes. $5 shipped for both.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) Shimano Flat Bar Brake Levers. In great shape. $10 shipped.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6) Park Spanners. 13, 14 and 15mm. One each. $5 shipped for all three.
>>>>>
>>>>> 7) Lumotec IQ Headlight. Plenty of wire here. Was mounted to the Nitto 
>>>>> rack above. Most of the wire ran to the tail light.
>>>>>
>>>>> 8) Velocity Quick Release Skewer. Came on my Hubbuhubbuh. I think the 
>>>>> OLD is 140mm.
>>>>>
>>>>> 9) Tail Light. This went with the Lumotec IQ above. $2 shipped.
>>>>>
>>>>> 10) Third Hand Tool. A piece of ancient history. I used to clamp my 
>>>>> brakes together with this thing to get cable slack, etc. $2 shipped.
>>>>>
>>>>> 11) Couple of sidepull brakes. A Shimano 600 "standard" reach, and a 
>>>>> short reach brake. Not sure where these came from. Throwing in the lever 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> the picture as well $5 shipped for both.
>>>>>
>>>>> 12) Skewers from Schmidt Dynohubs. These take and allen wrench. $2 
>>>>> shipped for both.
>>>>>
>>>>> 13) Riese and Müller Handlebar Mount for Dynamo Light. In great shape. 
>>>>> Used sparingly. $2 shipped.
>>>>>
>>>>> 14) Ritchey 10 and 12cm Threadless Stems. These have two-bolt 
>>>>> faceplates. Not sure about the rise. $10 shipped each.
>>>>>
>>>>> 15) Nitto UI-5GX Threadless Stems. These are some of the most elegant 
>>>>> stems anywhere. Four bolt faceplates. $15 shipped each.
>>>>>
>>>>> 16) 18 tooth cog for your fixed gear. Not much wear on this one. Came 
>>>>> off my son's fixed gear before he rode it. $2 shipped.
>>>>>
>>>>> 17) Nitto R Bottle Cages. These are the light ones. Very sleek and 
>>>>> elegant. The solid ones - not the hollow ones. $20 shipped each.
>>>>>
>>>>> 18) Giant Threadless Stem. Not as pretty as the others - but it's a 
>>>>> long one: 13cm. Two bolt faceplate. $5 shipped.
>>>>>
>>>>> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yQCgqV1kruueocWP8
>>>>>
>>>>> If any of you are in the SF Bay Area and want to come to my house in 
>>>>> Richmond, California to pick up one or more items, I will happily give 
>>>>> them 
>>>>> to you gratis for saving me the time, money and hassle of shipping them.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you want to send me money via Paypal - please use czech "at" 
>>>>> sonic.net.
>>>>>
>>>>> Namaste,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Corwin
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: September Blow Out

[Corwin]

Hi Again -

The pedals fell out. Here's what's left:

1) MKS Track Pedals. In great shape. Lots of miles left. $15 Shipped.

2) Shimano M324 Pedals. Includes the Power Grips attached. These are SPD 
pedals on one side, accommodate street shoes on the other. There is an SPD 
cleat stuck in one pedal. A great pair of pedals at a rock bottom price in 
exchange for your removing the cleat. $5 Shipped.

3) 18 tooth fixed gear cog $5 Shipped.

4) Ritchey 10 and 12cm Threadless Stems. In fantastic shape. Never mounted. 
Yours for $5 Shipped (each).

Namaste,


Corwin

On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 6:51:50 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Corwin I sent payment on the Nitto stems not realizing they were 26.0 
> clamp. I'd like to actually pass on these if it's not too late.
>
> Thanks
> Pat
>
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 5:35:14 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>
>> PM sent on shifters.  
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 3:31:27 AM UTC-4, Corwin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> In spite of the virus, the fires, etc., 2020 has been really good for 
>>> me. I seem to accumulate lots of parts. I have no room for them. So I want 
>>> to send them to you! All prices below include shipping.
>>>
>>> 1) Silver friction levers mated to Shimano bar end pods. These are in 
>>> great shape and have lots of miles left in them. These are the original 
>>> Silver shifters - not the second generation recently released. $10 shipped.
>>>
>>> 2) Nitto Campee Rack. Not sure which rack this is - but it came off the 
>>> front of my son's SimpleOne. $10 shipped.
>>>
>>> 3) MKS Track Pedals. Great, inexpensive, durable pedals. Also in great 
>>> shape. $15 shipped.
>>>
>>> 4) Vittoria 700c x 25/32mm tubes. $5 shipped for both.
>>>
>>> 5) Shimano Flat Bar Brake Levers. In great shape. $10 shipped.
>>>
>>> 6) Park Spanners. 13, 14 and 15mm. One each. $5 shipped for all three.
>>>
>>> 7) Lumotec IQ Headlight. Plenty of wire here. Was mounted to the Nitto 
>>> rack above. Most of the wire ran to the tail light.
>>>
>>> 8) Velocity Quick Release Skewer. Came on my Hubbuhubbuh. I think the 
>>> OLD is 140mm.
>>>
>>> 9) Tail Light. This went with the Lumotec IQ above. $2 shipped.
>>>
>>> 10) Third Hand Tool. A piece of ancient history. I used to clamp my 
>>> brakes together with this thing to get cable slack, etc. $2 shipped.
>>>
>>> 11) Couple of sidepull brakes. A Shimano 600 "standard" reach, and a 
>>> short reach brake. Not sure where these came from. Throwing in the lever in 
>>> the picture as well $5 shipped for both.
>>>
>>> 12) Skewers from Schmidt Dynohubs. These take and allen wrench. $2 
>>> shipped for both.
>>>
>>> 13) Riese and Müller Handlebar Mount for Dynamo Light. In great shape. 
>>> Used sparingly. $2 shipped.
>>>
>>> 14) Ritchey 10 and 12cm Threadless Stems. These have two-bolt 
>>> faceplates. Not sure about the rise. $10 shipped each.
>>>
>>> 15) Nitto UI-5GX Threadless Stems. These are some of the most elegant 
>>> stems anywhere. Four bolt faceplates. $15 shipped each.
>>>
>>> 16) 18 tooth cog for your fixed gear. Not much wear on this one. Came 
>>> off my son's fixed gear before he rode it. $2 shipped.
>>>
>>> 17) Nitto R Bottle Cages. These are the light ones. Very sleek and 
>>> elegant. The solid ones - not the hollow ones. $20 shipped each.
>>>
>>> 18) Giant Threadless Stem. Not as pretty as the others - but it's a long 
>>> one: 13cm. Two bolt faceplate. $5 shipped.
>>>
>>> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yQCgqV1kruueocWP8
>>>
>>> If any of you are in the SF Bay Area and want to come to my house in 
>>> Richmond, California to pick up one or more items, I will happily give them 
>>> to you gratis for saving me the time, money and hassle of shipping them.
>>>
>>> And if you want to send me money via Paypal - please use czech "at" 
>>> sonic.net.
>>>
>>> Namaste,
>>>
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: September Blow Out

[Corwin]

Hi -

Submitting an FS post to this group is like drinking from a fire hose!

Here is the stuff that's still left:

11) Couple of sidepull brakes. A Shimano 600 "standard" reach, and a short 
reach brake. Not sure where these came from. Throwing in the lever in the 
picture as well $5 shipped for both.

14) Ritchey 10 and 12cm Threadless Stems. These have two-bolt faceplates. 
Not sure about the rise. $10 shipped each.

19) [previously not listed] Soma seat bag. A small bag to hold tools, 
saddle cover, etc. Probably about the same or a little smaller than the 
Sackville extra small saddle sack - I think it was known as "Kevin's Bag". 
$5 shipped

20) [previously not listed] One pair Kool Stop cantilever brake pads. See 
the photo. These pads have smooth posts. For old-style cantilever brakes, 
such as Mafac. These pads survived my house fire with nothing more than 
smoke damage. Discolored the packaging. $2 shipped.

21) [previously not listed] Pair of Shimano M324 SPD Pedals. These pedals 
are great if you like to ride clipless and/or in street shoes using the 
same pair of pedals. They have a set of Power Grips attached. The Power 
Grips are easily removed. Not so trivial is the SPD cleat that came loose 
from my son's shoe. Yours for $5 shipped if you choose to sort this out.

Thanks to all for the flood of interest!

Namaste,


Corwin

On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 12:31:27 AM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:

> Hi -
>
> In spite of the virus, the fires, etc., 2020 has been really good for me. 
> I seem to accumulate lots of parts. I have no room for them. So I want to 
> send them to you! All prices below include shipping.
>
> 1) Silver friction levers mated to Shimano bar end pods. These are in 
> great shape and have lots of miles left in them. These are the original 
> Silver shifters - not the second generation recently released. $10 shipped.
>
> 2) Nitto Campee Rack. Not sure which rack this is - but it came off the 
> front of my son's SimpleOne. $10 shipped.
>
> 3) MKS Track Pedals. Great, inexpensive, durable pedals. Also in great 
> shape. $15 shipped.
>
> 4) Vittoria 700c x 25/32mm tubes. $5 shipped for both.
>
> 5) Shimano Flat Bar Brake Levers. In great shape. $10 shipped.
>
> 6) Park Spanners. 13, 14 and 15mm. One each. $5 shipped for all three.
>
> 7) Lumotec IQ Headlight. Plenty of wire here. Was mounted to the Nitto 
> rack above. Most of the wire ran to the tail light.
>
> 8) Velocity Quick Release Skewer. Came on my Hubbuhubbuh. I think the OLD 
> is 140mm.
>
> 9) Tail Light. This went with the Lumotec IQ above. $2 shipped.
>
> 10) Third Hand Tool. A piece of ancient history. I used to clamp my brakes 
> together with this thing to get cable slack, etc. $2 shipped.
>
> 11) Couple of sidepull brakes. A Shimano 600 "standard" reach, and a short 
> reach brake. Not sure where these came from. Throwing in the lever in the 
> picture as well $5 shipped for both.
>
> 12) Skewers from Schmidt Dynohubs. These take and allen wrench. $2 shipped 
> for both.
>
> 13) Riese and Müller Handlebar Mount for Dynamo Light. In great shape. 
> Used sparingly. $2 shipped.
>
> 14) Ritchey 10 and 12cm Threadless Stems. These have two-bolt faceplates. 
> Not sure about the rise. $10 shipped each.
>
> 15) Nitto UI-5GX Threadless Stems. These are some of the most elegant 
> stems anywhere. Four bolt faceplates. $15 shipped each.
>
> 16) 18 tooth cog for your fixed gear. Not much wear on this one. Came off 
> my son's fixed gear before he rode it. $2 shipped.
>
> 17) Nitto R Bottle Cages. These are the light ones. Very sleek and 
> elegant. The solid ones - not the hollow ones. $20 shipped each.
>
> 18) Giant Threadless Stem. Not as pretty as the others - but it's a long 
> one: 13cm. Two bolt faceplate. $5 shipped.
>
> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yQCgqV1kruueocWP8
>
> If any of you are in the SF Bay Area and want to come to my house in 
> Richmond, California to pick up one or more items, I will happily give them 
> to you gratis for saving me the time, money and hassle of shipping them.
>
> And if you want to send me money via Paypal - please use czech "at" 
> sonic.net.
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
>

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[RBW] FS: September Blow Out

[Corwin]

Hi -

In spite of the virus, the fires, etc., 2020 has been really good for me. I 
seem to accumulate lots of parts. I have no room for them. So I want to 
send them to you! All prices below include shipping.

1) Silver friction levers mated to Shimano bar end pods. These are in great 
shape and have lots of miles left in them. These are the original Silver 
shifters - not the second generation recently released. $10 shipped.

2) Nitto Campee Rack. Not sure which rack this is - but it came off the 
front of my son's SimpleOne. $10 shipped.

3) MKS Track Pedals. Great, inexpensive, durable pedals. Also in great 
shape. $15 shipped.

4) Vittoria 700c x 25/32mm tubes. $5 shipped for both.

5) Shimano Flat Bar Brake Levers. In great shape. $10 shipped.

6) Park Spanners. 13, 14 and 15mm. One each. $5 shipped for all three.

7) Lumotec IQ Headlight. Plenty of wire here. Was mounted to the Nitto rack 
above. Most of the wire ran to the tail light.

8) Velocity Quick Release Skewer. Came on my Hubbuhubbuh. I think the OLD 
is 140mm.

9) Tail Light. This went with the Lumotec IQ above. $2 shipped.

10) Third Hand Tool. A piece of ancient history. I used to clamp my brakes 
together with this thing to get cable slack, etc. $2 shipped.

11) Couple of sidepull brakes. A Shimano 600 "standard" reach, and a short 
reach brake. Not sure where these came from. Throwing in the lever in the 
picture as well $5 shipped for both.

12) Skewers from Schmidt Dynohubs. These take and allen wrench. $2 shipped 
for both.

13) Riese and Müller Handlebar Mount for Dynamo Light. In great shape. Used 
sparingly. $2 shipped.

14) Ritchey 10 and 12cm Threadless Stems. These have two-bolt faceplates. 
Not sure about the rise. $10 shipped each.

15) Nitto UI-5GX Threadless Stems. These are some of the most elegant stems 
anywhere. Four bolt faceplates. $15 shipped each.

16) 18 tooth cog for your fixed gear. Not much wear on this one. Came off 
my son's fixed gear before he rode it. $2 shipped.

17) Nitto R Bottle Cages. These are the light ones. Very sleek and elegant. 
The solid ones - not the hollow ones. $20 shipped each.

18) Giant Threadless Stem. Not as pretty as the others - but it's a long 
one: 13cm. Two bolt faceplate. $5 shipped.

Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yQCgqV1kruueocWP8

If any of you are in the SF Bay Area and want to come to my house in 
Richmond, California to pick up one or more items, I will happily give them 
to you gratis for saving me the time, money and hassle of shipping them.

And if you want to send me money via Paypal - please use czech "at" 
sonic.net.

Namaste,


Corwin

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Re: [RBW] Baby Bosco Bars!

[Corwin]

Personally, I think it's a good idea to introduce variety into stuff like 
bikes for kids. If the kid likes the change (say handlebars for example) he 
or she may have found a good fit. If he or she does not like the change - 
they will much better appreciate when they find a good fit.

Namaste,

Corwin

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 9:30:10 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Yes, Dorothy, I suspect you’re right - those Wavie bars a probably a good 
> choice. Alas, I’m done messing around with bar and stem setups so this kid 
> is going to have to live with Boscos, ha! Kids can get used to anything, 
> right? 
>
> This is also where I admit that I have rolled my eyes at those who change 
> around their loved ones’ bikes without the loved ones’ endorsements...I am 
> now just as guilty.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 11, 2020, at 7:13 AM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>
> Might the Wavie bar work? Riv say it works for someone used to a flat bar 
> but comes back more. If it is too wide it could be trimmed. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 8:05:45 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad 
>>
>> > On Sep 10, 2020, at 7:59 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: 
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