Re: [RBW] DIY build or order complete?

[David Ross]

I’d build it yourself if you are mechanically inclined. It’s not that hard,
especially these days with YouTube videos. Rivs are dead simple and don’t
have proprietary parts or hydraulic disk brakes. I built my first bike in
college using a book I picked up and I found it easy, but I too was already
mechanically inclined from building RC cars and working on motorcycles. I
wouldn’t start with wheel building, but the rest of it is a piece of cake.
Buy a decent torque wrench and a Bottom bracket and cassette tool, some
cable cutters. The rest of the stuff you can make like a chain whip and a
headset press. It’s all on YouTube and is simple if you know how to use
tools. The good thing about buying all these tools is that you need most of
them to properly maintain the bike so it’s a good investment.



On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 11:32 AM Michael  wrote:

> Hi all,
> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle
> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike
> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically
> inclined.
>
> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a
> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been
> wiser to just order it complete?
>
> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something
> stupid!
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Cockpit swap on my Sam

[David Ross]

When I ride sweeps I need a different grip than I do with regular flat bars
or I get terrible pain in the heel of my hand. The grips that work for my
are the Bontrager ergonomic mtb grips or something like the really far
Jones bar grips. I think you’ll be fine if you have something that’s a
little bit fatter than regular mtb style grips. Of course, it also depends
a lot on bar height. As your bar height increases, the pressure on the
hands goes down quite a bit.

On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 7:45 AM Tim Bantham  wrote:

> Once again I am considering a cockpit change for my Sam Hillborne. This
> time I am going to upright Billie bars. For simplicity and cost savings I'm
> keeping the current bar end shifters. I'm currently pondering grips. I love
> the way cork grips look but find them to be too slippery. I've been happy
> with Oury grips. I like the way they feel but I don't think they look as
> good when you cut off the end to accommodate  bar ends shifters. I've seen
> the felt and twine DIY grips that Riv promotes but I don't think I have the
> artistic ability and patience to recreate it.
>
> What am I missing? What grips are out there that look good, feel good and
> work with bar ends?
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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[David Hays]

I would buy those hubs.

David Hays
Buffalo, New York

> On May 27, 2024, at 10:13 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
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> The header immediately made me think of "Music With Her Silver Sound;" 
> https://www.discogs.com/master/1425787-English-Consort-Of-Viols-Martyn-Hill-Anthony-Rooley-Music-With-Her-Silver-Sound-Works-By-Bull-Byrd-C
> 
> The founder of the ensemble was Marco Pallis, author of Peaks and Lamas. 
> Remarkable man: https://www.discogs.com/artist/3344162-Marco-Pallis
> 
> Maybe Rivendell could tune the sound of their hubs to the music of John 
> Dowland.
> 
> On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 6:03 AM Brian Turner  <mailto:brokeb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I can’t seem to find the link, but a few years ago, Will posted a video of 
>> the sound of a Silver hub.
>> 
>> I’d say the description of being slightly louder than a Deore XT hub is 
>> accurate. But, nowhere near as loud as a White hub, that’s for sure.
>> 
>> - Brian 
>> Lexington KY
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Re: [RBW] Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[David Ross]

I watched this and thought it made some really valid points. I think the
number one issue is that many riders are aspirational riders and this sort
of drives the industry. I was certainly guilty of this as a younger person.
I’d like to think that I require 200mm of full suspension and 200mm disk
brakes, but I don’t. At my age I’m now cool just riding bikes that address
my actual needs.

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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuO4fV1qq8=3348s
> I thought this was an interesting discussion, certainly for us Rivendell
> owners. I know Russ can be polarizing, but I like his approach to cycling
> and appreciate his thoughts.
> Randy in WI
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Re: [RBW] The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[David I. Ban]

This vibes and views look incredible!  As an east-coaster, this terrain is 
the stuff dreams are made of.

Anyone willing to share a RWGPS link for either the double or triple scoop 
routes?  I found some from '23 but not sure if it's been improved 
meaningfully since. 

Cheers
David

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 9:05:31 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

This looks like it was a great event. Thanks for all the pictures and 
reports. 

Armand, that picture above the clouds is unreal!

On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 10:14:58 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

48s? Try 38s!

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The ride, route and vibes really were all fantastic. 

The final 10mile descent to the 39 was out of this world.

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On May 21, 2024, at 6:55 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:

The ride was fantastic. I had an engagement in the evening so I ended up 
doing the double scoop. Getting above the marine layer was surreal! See the 
pic below at the top of mt. disappointment. Was really great to see so many 
people come out on the ride, with a solid handful of Riv's on the ride too! 
Great to see you Neal, props for doing the full route. 


Put some knobbies on the Platy and really enjoying riding it. Pushed the 
limits of spirited riding on dirt on the descent with it, challenging to 
keep enough weight on the front end for traction up front in the corners 
but it was very smooth and predictable for a rigid bike on 48's. Will 
definitely be dropping down my 28t chainring to a 26t I have in the parts 
bin (11-34 cassette). 

I've got a campsite at Parson's Landing on Catalina June 18-19 if anyone 
wants to get in on it. 

On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 9:30:36 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:

Ted - it was the Rincon Red Box road the entire way. Puts you out on 39 a 
little above the reservoir. My first time doing anything in that area. It 
was tough but none of the grade or surfaces were unreasonable - just long 
and a lot of climbing. 

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 5:44:39 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

On May 19, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Neale S.  wrote:


I had a blast! Did the triple scoop and it was a beast, took me all day. 
The aid station at the top of the single scoop was a mountaintop party. I 
saw Armand and a few other Riv riders. Lots of other cool bikes, and plenty 
of good vibes. 


Wow, I had no idea there were trails connecting Mt Wilson and Glendora. 
That looks like an amazing (ly difficult) ride!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] A. Homer Hilsen Photo Thread

[David Hays]

Thanks. I searched through my old email and found I purchased it new in 2013 as 
a frame set. I’m not sure if it was a leftover at a dealer in Virginia.
I believe it was made in Taiwan. I prefer the classic look of a level top tube.

David 

> On May 22, 2024, at 1:51 PM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> Beautiful Bike. What year? 
> 
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 11:43:22 AM UTC-4 David Hays wrote:
>> My A Homer Hilsen on a ride today at Dann Lake.
>> 
>> 
>> David Hays
>> Buffalo, New York
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 9, 2024, at 8:00 PM, Paul Richardson > wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> best bike in the world!!!  the longer i ride it, the deeper my conviction.  
>>> yours is lookin' great tim--so glad you joined the homer club!
>>> 
>>> and as long as we're on the subject, i've been poring over the 2008 catalog 
>>> that's currently available on the site for $1 (!) and would just like to 
>>> shout into the void that i would love to get my hands on one of these homer 
>>> caps.  or heck maybe enough of us aficionados could pool resources and do a 
>>> small custom run of the same design!  
>>> 
>>> best bike in the world!!!
>>> 
>>> paul
>>> takoma park, md.
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[David Hays]

Beautiful Leica 1A. Love the beausage.

> On May 15, 2024, at 2:59 AM, Keith P.  wrote:
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> <640x962x2.jpeg>
> 
> Eric Norris (cont.) - Lomo LCA120
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Leica IA
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 11:58:09 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>> 
>> Eric Norris - Yashica T4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Olympus XA4 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[David Ross]

I’m a similar rider in terms of age and issues. I just sold my last drop
bar bike and the bars were very neutral and slightly above the saddle. I
absolutely loved that bike but I just can’t ride drops at this point. All
of my bikes now have swept bars and it makes a huge difference. I’m riding
deep sweeps on all my bikes at this point with the bars anywhere from 1-3
inches above the saddle. The reason this works well for me is that I’m able
to move my hands up and down the bars depending on terrain and also move my
hands to stretch my back and prevent pain.

On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 9:58 AM Jason Noonievut 
wrote:

> Thanks for the responses!  Keep’em coming
>
> Tim had some good questions, I’ve tried to answer these below:
>
> “…off the bike?”
> - I have a desk job but I use a sit / stand desk.  Years ago when I got
> this, it was a revelation, and really helped a much worse than now, neck;
> however, I notice my legs get tired when I’m standing, and again, if I go
> for a ride after work, and I’ve been sitting/standing 50-50, my tired legs,
> I believe contribute to feeling sluggish on the bike, and perhaps a poor
> posture as I have limited power
> - I walk a lot, stretch, and practice good posture off the bike
>
>
> I thought I would add that I visit my chiropractor for an adjustment every
> three weeks. The days shortly after, I am more comfortable on the bike.
> For example, two days after my last adjustment I did a road ride with my
> friend, 85km with wind and even snow, I felt great. A few days ago I did a
> 60km ride with my friend on a perfect day with very little wind, and was
> really sore.  I have a chiro appointment tonight.  As I get close to the
> end of that three weeks, I can feel more pain and thus attribute what’s
> happening to the spine in the three weeks in between adjustments.  This is
> the closest I have to a good diagnosis!
>
> Jason
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 7:50 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
> 
>
> There is a lot to unpack here but I think I get the basic gist of what you
> are asking. For reference I ride a drop bar AHH, a drop bar Sam and a
> Billie bar'd Platy. I'm an older rider and I too suffer some aches and
> pains while riding. Nothing debilitating but it is noticeable. Sometimes
> more than others. Like you I experience some aches in my C spine between
> the shoulder blades. This is from holding my head in a position to see the
> road in front of me. I am also seated at a computer most of the day while
> working which can be harmful to your posture if you aren't vigilant.
>
>  I am not so certain your pain is related to not maintaining a good
> posture on the bike while riding. I'm not a medical professional and I
> don't think you would come here for medical advice. At least I hope not
> LOL!
>
> I would want to know what you are doing off the bike. You didn't say what
> you did for work but if are spending your days sitting at a desk and then
> you hop on your bike to go ride. Your body is in a hunched position all day
> long and then you are in the same position while you pedal. If that were
> the case I could see how some aches and pains could crop up.
>
> Riding an upright style bike on days where you aren't feeling it may help
> but I'd be more inclined to shorten your ride or not ride at all. Also pay
> attention to your posture off the bike. Having awareness of your posture
> during your day to day life will be more beneficial then only making those
> adjustments while riding.
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:56:14 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Jay,
>>
>> I have been a roadie for 53 years. I retired my road bike sixteen years
>> ago. I was growing old. I became tired of riding in the drops. I wanted to
>> ride upright. My posture in my neck and shoulders were hunched over.
>>
>> Over the many years, it became a struggle with me trying to find a
>> bicycle that I could fall in love with again. I went through about four
>> different bicycles.
>>
>> In the fall of 2022, I purchased my first Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L"
>> bicycle. It was a 59cm. Over the course of a little over a year, I
>> concluded that the 59cm size was not working for me. It was too large. I
>> sold it. I found and bought a 52cm Clem as a "Demo" at RBW headquarters
>> last November.
>>
>> Since then, I have adapted very well in riding the 52cm Clem. It fits me
>> a lot better than the 59cm. I am very happy with it. I have the Nitto Bosco
>> 58cm handlebars. These bars I really love for an upright riding position. I
>> have zero weight bearing down on them. All my weight is on the seat and
>> back tire. When I come home from my rides, I feel my posture is a lot
>> straighter, than before.
>>
>> I ride mostly pavement on the nearby trails near where I live.
>> Occasionally, I will go off road, when the feeling for adventure strikes me.
>>
>> The only problem I have is a personal issue in discomfort with the loss
>> of subcutaneous fat on my bum riding my saddle at 69 years old. I am
>> 

[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[David B]

Thank you for the responses, everyone. I'm leaning towards getting a size 
60 based on all of the feedback. I do envision running the Hillborne mostly 
with flat or swept bars, and so it makes sense to prioritize that with the 
sizing.

Andrew, your observation comparing the stack and reach of the two sizes is 
really helpful. I'm thinking the added reach/effective top tube length is 
small enough that I could compensate for it with a shorter stem length.

Really appreciate all of your help. Would still love to test ride a 57 or 
60 if anyone in the East Bay has one.

David
Berkeley, CA
On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:52:17 PM UTC-7 awen...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Bike Insights can compare these two sizes side-by-side for you: 
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=638a1581423463001c996235,638a1581423463001c996236
> ,
>
> The 60cm Sam is 30mm taller in stack than the 57, but only 5mm longer in 
> reach. If you had to raise the saddle and bars by a lot on the 57, then 
> maybe the 60 would work better for you.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Andrew
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>
>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>
>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>
>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
>> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
>> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
>> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
>> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>
>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>>get the saddle in a good position.
>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>> bike 
>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>
>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>
>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>
>> David
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
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[RBW] New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[David B]

Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
below my saddle.

I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.

I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
Homers with different cockpit setups. 

   - The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
   and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
   get the saddle in a good position.
   - The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
   comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
   was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
   - The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched out. 
   The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the bike 
   belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
   adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
   lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.

I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second guessing 
whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top tube 
length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, which 
is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 

Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
some other beverage as a thank you!

David
Berkeley, CA

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[David Hays]

Good morning Leah,
I’m not sure where I read it but apparently Grant had at one point been a fan 
of Mercians.
A few years after I bought and built up my 650B Homer I found a used Mercian 
KOM on Craigslist. I’ve since picked up another off the list and had one 
purpose built for me. Very comfortable and fast. Some thing to consider.

Cheers,
David 

> On Apr 21, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Josiah Anderson  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Leah,
> 
> I'm also excited to hear about your journey towards a road bike; you probably 
> don't know it but your writing on this list was one of my main influences 
> towards ending up with a Riv. Drop bars and pavement are very familiar, 
> comfortable territory for me, and – like others have said here – I still 
> enjoy that type of riding at times.
> 
> You're probably already familiar with him, but if not, I'd recommend checking 
> out some of Jan Heine's work – Bicycle Quarterly, The All-Road Bike 
> Revolution, his blog, etc. Bicycle Quarterly was my point of departure from 
> "mainstream" bike culture, and I came around to appreciating Riv a bit later 
> and now enjoy both approaches for different rides. Jan is much more focused 
> on speed than Grant is, but in what feels to me like a healthy way. This is 
> an old blog post that I think may be worth a read, as it's an articulation of 
> the same sort of perspective you seem to be arriving at: 
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/riding-fast-is-fun/ 
> <https://www.renehersecycles.com/riding-fast-is-fun/>. Jan also wrote 
> somewhere (can't find it right now) about how he and Grant are good friends, 
> and he wanted to make it clear he's not dissing Riv by promoting what he 
> likes.
> 
> I currently have two of what I'd call "really nice" bikes, a Gus 
> Boots-Willsen and a Crust Lightning Bolt (alongside moderately nice bikes 
> like a Bridgestone MB-3 and a dumpster-find Bianchi Volpe). The Gus is 
> "full-Riv" – friction shifting, Carradice saddlebag, weird bar wrap, etc – 
> and the Crust is full Bicycle Quarterly, with 42mm extralight tires, 
> low-trail geometry, Gilles Berthoud handlebar bag, and all that. (Jan is not 
> affiliated with Crust, but Crust designed the Lightning Bolt with his 
> preferences in mind). The two bikes are a perfect combination for my current 
> riding: there is enough crossover that both work great for doubletrack rides, 
> and the Gus is ideal for riding singletrack while the Crust excels at long, 
> fast road and gravel rides. Rivendell doesn't make randonneur bikes like my 
> Crust, as it sounds to me like they don't like the lighter-gauge tubing and 
> the handling optimized for drop bars and moderate front loads, but Grant has 
> written (quoting from memory, so hopefully I'm pretty close here) that he's 
> glad companies like Crust exist and do different stuff from Riv. I don't feel 
> like riding my Crust is an insult to Rivendell, just an expression of the 
> fact that my riding conditions are a bit different from theirs, though I 
> totally get it if that's how it feels to you. 
> 
> I've never ridden a Roadeo or Roadini, but I've ridden a LOT of road race and 
> "sport-touring" bikes from the 1960s through 2000s, many of which (like early 
> 80s Trek sport tourers, one of my main rides for a long time) have a lot of 
> similarities to the Roadeo. I prefer my Crust for several reasons: it's 
> designed for bigger tires, which when they're René Herse Extralights are just 
> as fast as 23mm tubulars and far more versatile; it can carry a big handlebar 
> bag for long rides without compromising handling at all; and it feels more 
> "alternative" when showing up to group rides, a feeling we're all used to 
> with Rivendells - but it's still just as fast as the carbon bikes, unlike my 
> Gus. And the biggest factor is that it's made of superlight steel tubing, 
> which I like not for the weight savings (less than a water bottle) but for 
> the flex characteristics – it flexes with each pedal stroke and feeds it back 
> into the drivetrain, taking away the pushing-against-a-brick-wall feeling of 
> hammering up a hill on a stiff bike. Jan calls this "planing," and it's 
> pretty controversial, and others call it a lively frame, a somewhat less 
> controversial term. My personal experience says it works – take that however 
> you want. I do not believe the Roadini would "plane" or be particularly 
> "lively," based on what I've heard, and the slightly lighter Roadeo might or 
> might not depending on how much power you're putting down.
> 
> A classic road bike like the Roadeo is also an aesthetic choice, though, not 
> just a practical one, and if that's the sort of bike you want, I don't want 
> to be the one to ar

[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[David]

Thank you, Bill. This is really helpful.

On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 6:32:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> All that stuff is pretty darn common.  One place to go is eBay.  
>
> cranks: https://www.ebay.com/itm/386838756264
> 40 ring: https://www.ebay.com/itm/255458588990
> 32 ring: https://www.ebay.com/itm/196275801449
>
> People find practically free bike parts at "the bike co-op", or "the local 
> bike kitchen".  That takes effort but you can save a lot.  People post 
> "want to buy" posts on this group, and often somebody has what you seek in 
> their parts bin.  There's a hundred ways to pull a build together.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 6:20:23 AM UTC-8 David wrote:
>
>> This is all really great input. The trouble I'm having is finding a 
>> configuration out there (new or otherwise) that comes close to the  Sugino 
>> 74/110 triple with the original 32/40/guard chainrings. Where would you go 
>> to gather these parts?
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> I have an orange Quickbeam, which I bought new, with the original Sugino 
>>> 74/110 triple with the original 32/40/guard chainrings. I immediately 
>>> removed the provided 18t freewheel and put on a White 17/19t Dos Eno. I 
>>> also put a 22 on the flop side of the flip/flop hub that Riv included with 
>>> the bike.
>>>
>>> With the long dropout, I can use 40/17 (99%+ of my riding), 40/19, 32/19 
>>> or 32/22. I like to say I have the world’s least convenient 4 speed. I 
>>> haven’t “shifted” the bike about 5 years or more, but in the first 8 years 
>>> that I owned it, I would take it for long recreational rides and need to 
>>> downshift for some hills. For the locals: I even rode it up Old La Honda 
>>> years ago, I think in the 32/19, maybe the 32/22. Age and 2 bouts with 
>>> cancer have made a single speed bike only suitable for commuting for me 
>>> now, but it’s great for that.
>>>
>>> I’d definitely recommend 2 chainrings at about 8t difference if you want 
>>> some versatility. I have the pop off SKS fender stay things, and pack an 
>>> old gardening glove in my saddle bag so I can change the gearing without 
>>> getting too messy.
>>>
>>> Drew
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>>>
>>>> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
>>>> too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the 
>>>> classic 
>>>> single speed crankset anymore.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[David]

This is all really great input. The trouble I'm having is finding a 
configuration out there (new or otherwise) that comes close to the  Sugino 
74/110 triple with the original 32/40/guard chainrings. Where would you go 
to gather these parts?

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:

> I have an orange Quickbeam, which I bought new, with the original Sugino 
> 74/110 triple with the original 32/40/guard chainrings. I immediately 
> removed the provided 18t freewheel and put on a White 17/19t Dos Eno. I 
> also put a 22 on the flop side of the flip/flop hub that Riv included with 
> the bike.
>
> With the long dropout, I can use 40/17 (99%+ of my riding), 40/19, 32/19 
> or 32/22. I like to say I have the world’s least convenient 4 speed. I 
> haven’t “shifted” the bike about 5 years or more, but in the first 8 years 
> that I owned it, I would take it for long recreational rides and need to 
> downshift for some hills. For the locals: I even rode it up Old La Honda 
> years ago, I think in the 32/19, maybe the 32/22. Age and 2 bouts with 
> cancer have made a single speed bike only suitable for commuting for me 
> now, but it’s great for that.
>
> I’d definitely recommend 2 chainrings at about 8t difference if you want 
> some versatility. I have the pop off SKS fender stay things, and pack an 
> old gardening glove in my saddle bag so I can change the gearing without 
> getting too messy.
>
> Drew
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>
>> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
>> too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
>> single speed crankset anymore.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[David]

Very creative. Personally looking for simpler, streamlined inspiration, but 
these are nice options you're running.

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I run a Riv Silver triple with 40/37/34 chainrings on my Quickbeam.  I 
> modified a rare and unusual Shimano cassette hub to fit 120 OLD.  On that I 
> run three Problem Solvers cassette cogs at 16/19/22.  As a result I have 
> three single speed "gears" with three chain positions, all with the same 
> wheel position
>
> 34x22 is my climbing gear
> 37x19 is my mellow cruising town gear
> 40x16 is my high gear
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>
>> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
>> too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
>> single speed crankset anymore.
>
>

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[RBW] Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[David]

What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, too, 
if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
single speed crankset anymore.

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Re: [RBW] Roadini Feedback

[David Hays]

If one is considering the Malocchio, I would check out the Romanceur Canti.
Very light weight with the Reynolds 853 tubing, no strange brake matching and 
greater tire compatibility.
I love mine.

David Hays

> On Jan 5, 2024, at 10:14 PM, eddietheflay  wrote:
> 
> Crust Malocchio. Real lugs, real lightweight tubing, decent clearance. Some 
> things in its favor. Definitely not the looker that most Rivs are and without 
> sloping top tube = good or not so? We could put some blocks on my pedals and 
> you could try it.
> 
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:05:49 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
> The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one reason you 
> like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't fit in my travel bike 
> box.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee  > wrote:
> Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike purchased from 
> a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to Napa. I wanted a RIv so 
> bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps like you), hoping to 
> save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had previously visited HQ and talked 
> with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the cusp between 54 and 57, and 
> that either could be a good fit...I later concluded that I should have gone 
> with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 in "Old Blue", an earlier model 
> which would not accept the larger tire size that the newer models do.  I 
> liked the bike well enough that I considered investing in a brand new frame 
> (that Gold is hot!) but also realized that I didn't love the components that 
> came with that bike in the first place.  And so, since I would have been 
> essentially starting from scratch,  it didn't take much convincing to grab 
> that Homer frame that came up locally, and then build it up with the parts 
> that I wanted. Now I have a bike that I love, love, love, in a size that 
> fits!  I kept it lean, with some Noodles and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and 
> only a spare tire tool kit. The Roadini felt good, but the Homer feels great! 
> And while I'm the first to acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or 
> could comment on flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast 
> when I'm on it. 
> 
> If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But you're close 
> enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike and see what you 
> think. The newsletter that came out today says they discovered one Gold 50 in 
> stock...
> 
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends already claim 
> is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like crazy when I 
> attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. If I was 160 
> pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 pounds I still 
> wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I don't consider 75mm 
> BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. I want 80mm or 85mm drop 
> for a bike built for modern style giant tires where you wouldn't expect to 
> ride anything smaller than 700x30.
> 
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm looking 
> for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires.. Also,  one of 
> my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the tubes will be 
> heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy.. 
> 
> Thoughts? 
> 
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini: 
> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html 
> <https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html>. With 
> 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not built to 
> be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with pedals, bottle 
> cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have probably shaved 
> another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said that, it 
> doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993 Bridgestone 
> RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents (the higher BB on 
> the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm tires it is an 
> excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down single track  
> trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 559s outperform any 
> disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike any disc brakes I've 
> ever ridden).
> 
> I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when he's tall enough 
> to ride it (whic

[RBW] Re: Studs for Winter Riding?

[David Pulsipher]

I've used Schwalbe Winter Marathons for over a decade, and love them.

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:34:32 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
> nothing about them. 
>
> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me have 
> any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>
> Cheers, John
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes

[David Person]

mages can only be viewed by creating a Paceline account.   May have better 
luck if you post pics on this thread.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:10:47 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 centerpull brakes.
> Comes with straddle cables and hangers.
> Recessed nut.
>
> Amazing brakes, but the spring tension was a bit high for me.
>
> $110 for the set, shipped in the L48
>
> Photos are easiest to find here. 
> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=300992
>
> Thanks!
> Ben Adrian
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes

[David Person]

Images can only be viewed by creatine a Paceline account.   May have better 
luck if you post pics on this thread.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:10:47 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 centerpull brakes.
> Comes with straddle cables and hangers.
> Recessed nut.
>
> Amazing brakes, but the spring tension was a bit high for me.
>
> $110 for the set, shipped in the L48
>
> Photos are easiest to find here. 
> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=300992
>
> Thanks!
> Ben Adrian
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[David Pulsipher]

The best mittens, hands down - for warmth and cost are the Kinco Ski Mitt 
. They can be broken in so they aren't super 
dextrous, but as far as warmth goes, I've used them well into the negatives 
(-14 up to -20) and every other mitten breaks down at that point, 
especially cycling specific products.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:29:51 PM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

I've used an older version of these First Lite mittens 

 
for hunting, and they also had enough feel to operate my cameras. 
Obviously, they are expensive. My version was much cheaper! But when 
working for hours in the Dakotas and Minnesota, they were perfect and well 
worth it. Wool still works when damp, and I sometimes used just the outside 
with different liners.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:43:27 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

The trouble with those, besides being bulky looking, is our big temperature 
differentials. I can often leave at 9 am at 18*F and come back at 50*F. I 
daresay that if I were riding long periods at sub 20* I'd think differently.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 9:54 AM Wesley  wrote:

Honestly, Bar Mitts brand neoprene pogies are so amazing that I would 
recommend just buying enough pairs that you can put them on each bike. Or 
swapping one pair between bikes as necessary (that can be complicated on 
the drop-bar version, depending on your cable routing). They are far beyond 
any gloves or mittens worn on the hands because they block the cold wind 
without being bulky or interfering with your handling the controls. I have 
fingers that are quite cold-sensitive, and I used Bar Mitts for seven years 
of commuting in Wisconsin winters. On the below-zero days I would only have 
to add a pair of minimalist knitted gloves (the kind they sell for 99 cents 
at the supermarket checkout.) 

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[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[David Pulsipher]

I started as soon as they could hold their head up to have a helmet on, so 
typically about 5-6 months.

Using a DIY kid seat adapter on my Surly Big Dummy - raving success with 
all four of my children.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Crs5-qwuVxl/

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 8:58:35 PM UTC-6 Kushan wrote:

> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did 
> you use? Where did you ride? 
>
> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[David Pulsipher]

Anyone have experience with the Velo Orange Granola Bar? Looks really close 
to the family.

https://velo-orange.com/products/granola-bar?_pos=1&_sid=492f7836c&_ss=r

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:20:12 PM UTC-6 David Pulsipher wrote:

> That's a great recommendation re: Toscos - and with availability. Thank 
> you!
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 4:24:19 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have both Tosco and Orthos, and they are both very very similar bars. 
>> Orthos have gentler curves… and of course the clamp diameter… but that’s 
>> about the only difference. Aside from stem use, you’re not going to see 
>> much difference in those two.
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 3:53 PM, 'Sean, PNW' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://whatbars.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> We have two bikes with Albatross bars, a 65cm Tosco on my Platypus, and 
>>> recently picked up an Ortho bar for another bike. I like the Albatross bars 
>>> on roadish bikes and wider bars like the Orthos and Toscos on bikes with 
>>> wider tires that see more dirt. 
>>>
>>> The 69cm Orthos are significantly wider than the 55cm Albatross 
>>> throughout the grip range and come back further (they don't extend as far 
>>> forward as the Albatross).
>>>
>>> The Orthos are actually very similar to the 65cm Toscos - just a touch 
>>> wider and with a bit more rise. There'd be nothing in swap between them 
>>> except the stem (26.0 vs 31.8) and some weight.
>>>
>>> Another (inexpensive) bar that is very close to the Ortho (and Tosco) is 
>>> the Wald 896. I mocked up my build using these and was very happy with 
>>> them, though the price difference is apparent in the finish and weight.
>>>
>>> What bike would they be going on? What size tires and how is it used?
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
>>>> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
>>>> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
>>>> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks hive mind!
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[David Pulsipher]

That's a great recommendation re: Toscos - and with availability. Thank you!

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 4:24:19 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have both Tosco and Orthos, and they are both very very similar bars. 
> Orthos have gentler curves… and of course the clamp diameter… but that’s 
> about the only difference. Aside from stem use, you’re not going to see 
> much difference in those two.
>
> On Aug 25, 2023, at 3:53 PM, 'Sean, PNW' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> https://whatbars.com/
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:
>
>> We have two bikes with Albatross bars, a 65cm Tosco on my Platypus, and 
>> recently picked up an Ortho bar for another bike. I like the Albatross bars 
>> on roadish bikes and wider bars like the Orthos and Toscos on bikes with 
>> wider tires that see more dirt. 
>>
>> The 69cm Orthos are significantly wider than the 55cm Albatross 
>> throughout the grip range and come back further (they don't extend as far 
>> forward as the Albatross).
>>
>> The Orthos are actually very similar to the 65cm Toscos - just a touch 
>> wider and with a bit more rise. There'd be nothing in swap between them 
>> except the stem (26.0 vs 31.8) and some weight.
>>
>> Another (inexpensive) bar that is very close to the Ortho (and Tosco) is 
>> the Wald 896. I mocked up my build using these and was very happy with 
>> them, though the price difference is apparent in the finish and weight.
>>
>> What bike would they be going on? What size tires and how is it used?
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
>>> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
>>> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
>>> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>>>
>>> Thanks hive mind!
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[David Pulsipher]

Thanks for all the suggestions guys. Eric - when I put the Albatross and 
Billie on top of each other on Whatbars, they look almost identical in 
width, just with a little more grip area which in turn makes them slightly 
wider. I'm actually ok on grip area, just looking for more width in 
general. I hear you on the bar-ends - I'm currently using the rivendell bar 
ends and would likely convert them to thumbies. Might have to scour the 
interweb to see if anyone is selling them, bummer they are sold out.

While I have you, when do we get your next video? ; )



On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:26:14 PM UTC-6 Paul M wrote:

> Having used the Albatross and Choco-moose handlebars for years and 
> enjoying them, I recently put the Sycip Singles bar on my Kona Dr. Dew. I 
> really like the extra width (650mm) and sweep (45 degree) of this bar. It 
> has 200mm of straight grip area, unlike the Ortho and Tosco that don't have 
> enough grip length before the bend for spreading out the brake and shifter 
> controls. I would ride gravel but not mtb with these bars. Available on 
> Soma Fabrication's web site.
>
> On Friday, 25 August 2023 at 13:03:51 UTC-7 David Pulsipher wrote:
>
>> Man Eric - what an epistle! Truly you have given me some deep things to 
>> ponder.
>> Right now I was thinking of putting them on my Surly Long Haul Trucker - 
>> it's a 62cm. I'm 6'4 (and full of muscles).
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch7Y77ruZob/?img_index=1
>>
>> I ride 45 schwalbe marathons, but am up-sizing to 47's shortly.
>>
>> I use it for a commuter and touring set up - and ride about about 32 
>> miles daily on my commute. Have been intrigued by the wider set up.
>>
>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:37:56 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> We have two bikes with Albatross bars, a 65cm Tosco on my Platypus, and 
>>> recently picked up an Ortho bar for another bike. I like the Albatross bars 
>>> on roadish bikes and wider bars like the Orthos and Toscos on bikes with 
>>> wider tires that see more dirt. 
>>>
>>> The 69cm Orthos are significantly wider than the 55cm Albatross 
>>> throughout the grip range and come back further (they don't extend as far 
>>> forward as the Albatross).
>>>
>>> The Orthos are actually very similar to the 65cm Toscos - just a touch 
>>> wider and with a bit more rise. There'd be nothing in swap between them 
>>> except the stem (26.0 vs 31.8) and some weight.
>>>
>>> Another (inexpensive) bar that is very close to the Ortho (and Tosco) is 
>>> the Wald 896. I mocked up my build using these and was very happy with 
>>> them, though the price difference is apparent in the finish and weight.
>>>
>>> What bike would they be going on? What size tires and how is it used?
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
>>>> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
>>>> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
>>>> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks hive mind!
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[David Pulsipher]

Man Eric - what an epistle! Truly you have given me some deep things to 
ponder.
Right now I was thinking of putting them on my Surly Long Haul Trucker - 
it's a 62cm. I'm 6'4 (and full of muscles).

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch7Y77ruZob/?img_index=1

I ride 45 schwalbe marathons, but am up-sizing to 47's shortly.

I use it for a commuter and touring set up - and ride about about 32 miles 
daily on my commute. Have been intrigued by the wider set up.

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:37:56 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:

> We have two bikes with Albatross bars, a 65cm Tosco on my Platypus, and 
> recently picked up an Ortho bar for another bike. I like the Albatross bars 
> on roadish bikes and wider bars like the Orthos and Toscos on bikes with 
> wider tires that see more dirt. 
>
> The 69cm Orthos are significantly wider than the 55cm Albatross throughout 
> the grip range and come back further (they don't extend as far forward as 
> the Albatross).
>
> The Orthos are actually very similar to the 65cm Toscos - just a touch 
> wider and with a bit more rise. There'd be nothing in swap between them 
> except the stem (26.0 vs 31.8) and some weight.
>
> Another (inexpensive) bar that is very close to the Ortho (and Tosco) is 
> the Wald 896. I mocked up my build using these and was very happy with 
> them, though the price difference is apparent in the finish and weight.
>
> What bike would they be going on? What size tires and how is it used?
>
> -Dave
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
>> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
>> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
>> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>>
>> Thanks hive mind!
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[David Pulsipher]

Hi there,

I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.

Thanks hive mind!

 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti leather cycling shoes

[David Linden]

The shoes have been sold. Thank you all for your consideration.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:37 AM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:

> My apologies! Rereading this posting, I feel that I come across as a 
> know-it-all, while I should realize that I am really preaching to the choir 
> here.
> Bottom line. I,m sorry. Also, let me be more realistic and drop the price 
> of the shoes to $200 shipped. If this too is unrealistic, let me know.
> Dave L
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 5:10:21 PM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:
>
>> I would like to sell a pair of size 45 brown Dromarti  Sportivo cycling 
>> shoes' These are  listed as men's shoes, are new in the box,, never worn. I 
>> purchased these about 4-5 years ago when it appeared that the oriiginal 
>> company owner was going to close the business.
>>
>> I already owned a pair of brown and also black Sportivo's, liked them so 
>> much that I wanted to keep another pair for the future. Little did I know 
>> jjust how long they  lhave lasted with little  signs of wear. Unlike me! 
>> The company has since been taken over by by it's current owner.
>>
>> They are size 45  retro style, nicely adjustable with waxed laces.The 
>> most comfortable cycling shoes in my experience. Soft leather with soft 
>> leather liners. They fit me like Shimano shoes. Would not advise guys with 
>> super wide feet to apply. Check out Dromarti.com for high res photos.These 
>> appear to be Jan Heine's favorite shoe and I learned of them via Jan's 
>> Bicycle Quarterly.
>>
>> Current price is $325 including shipping from the UK. I would like to get 
>> at least $275 including  shipping. Not a big savings from retail, but $50 
>> is $50, if you have been yearning to try these. Thanks for looking.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti leather cycling shoes

[David Linden]

My apologies! Rereading this posting, I feel that I come across as a 
know-it-all, while I should realize that I am really preaching to the choir 
here.
Bottom line. I,m sorry. Also, let me be more realistic and drop the price 
of the shoes to $200 shipped. If this too is unrealistic, let me know.
Dave L





On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 5:10:21 PM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:

> I would like to sell a pair of size 45 brown Dromarti  Sportivo cycling 
> shoes' These are  listed as men's shoes, are new in the box,, never worn. I 
> purchased these about 4-5 years ago when it appeared that the oriiginal 
> company owner was going to close the business.
>
> I already owned a pair of brown and also black Sportivo's, liked them so 
> much that I wanted to keep another pair for the future. Little did I know 
> jjust how long they  lhave lasted with little  signs of wear. Unlike me! 
> The company has since been taken over by by it's current owner.
>
> They are size 45  retro style, nicely adjustable with waxed laces.The most 
> comfortable cycling shoes in my experience. Soft leather with soft leather 
> liners. They fit me like Shimano shoes. Would not advise guys with super 
> wide feet to apply. Check out Dromarti.com for high res photos.These appear 
> to be Jan Heine's favorite shoe and I learned of them via Jan's Bicycle 
> Quarterly.
>
> Current price is $325 including shipping from the UK. I would like to get 
> at least $275 including  shipping. Not a big savings from retail, but $50 
> is $50, if you have been yearning to try these. Thanks for looking.
>

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[RBW] FS: Dromarti leather cycling shoes

[David Linden]

I would like to sell a pair of size 45 brown Dromarti  Sportivo cycling 
shoes' These are  listed as men's shoes, are new in the box,, never worn. I 
purchased these about 4-5 years ago when it appeared that the oriiginal 
company owner was going to close the business.

I already owned a pair of brown and also black Sportivo's, liked them so 
much that I wanted to keep another pair for the future. Little did I know 
jjust how long they  lhave lasted with little  signs of wear. Unlike me! 
The company has since been taken over by by it's current owner.

They are size 45  retro style, nicely adjustable with waxed laces.The most 
comfortable cycling shoes in my experience. Soft leather with soft leather 
liners. They fit me like Shimano shoes. Would not advise guys with super 
wide feet to apply. Check out Dromarti.com for high res photos.These appear 
to be Jan Heine's favorite shoe and I learned of them via Jan's Bicycle 
Quarterly.

Current price is $325 including shipping from the UK. I would like to get 
at least $275 including  shipping. Not a big savings from retail, but $50 
is $50, if you have been yearning to try these. Thanks for looking.

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[David Jones]

Well, Leah, you sure opened up a thread that everyone seems to want to
weigh in on, and a thread that seems to be enjoying a longevity that few
can match.

One thought I had that hasn't been covered by anyone, yet, is:  "What would
your father's wishes be for this bike?  Which of the different actions you
are considering would honor his memory to the fullest degree possible?"

My original, brief, response was to keep it home during college to protect
it from being stolen.  My thinking was that "it's a long life" and your son
will have a better chance of staying connected to his grandfather by having
decades to enjoy riding the bike.  But if your father was a person who was
a "pin your ears back" risk taker who approached life as if there were no
guarantees of tomorrow or appreciated a certain detachment to "things,"
then by all means "seize the day" and send the bike with your son to
college, fully recognizing the inherent risks involved and, hopefully,
having made peace with the possibility of him graduating from college
without the bike in his possession.

David Jones

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 12:52 PM Davey Two Shoes 
wrote:

> Send Grandpa's Clem!
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 6:29:17 PM UTC-4 Will wrote:
>
>> Oh yes it might help a bit if the bike didn't look so new. With a few
>> duct tape patches that can be easily solved without hurting the frame.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 5:24:24 PM UTC-5 Will wrote:
>>
>>> When I was in college I had a Raleigh Competition and a Raleigh RRA
>>> (French metric Raleigh bike). It was a small campus in Williamsburg, VA. I
>>> had no problems with either bike. Yes, I locked them. Yes, I didn't leave
>>> them out at night and so on, but my point is... with a good U lock and
>>> maybe some wheel theft clamps, I think you'll be fine. No one is looking
>>> for a classic steel bike  these days. Now they want carbon and disc brakes.
>>> And there are plenty of those bikes to steal. I'd give him the Clem.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 4:05:31 PM UTC-5 mmille...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been thinking about this situation a lot. (And thinking back about
>>>> 20 years to my time in college.) I was from a small town, and went to a
>>>> large public school. I learned a lot, and a lot of learning is through
>>>> mistakes. I did lots of dumb stuff, and minus the time I went flying over
>>>> the handlebars and got an ambulance ride, I was lucky to escape without
>>>> life-altering implications. My grandpa died when I was in college, and I
>>>> still treasure a few small items I have from him. Ultimately, things are
>>>> things, but some things mean more than others. It will be up to your family
>>>> to decide the best route. I'm not sure it's been mentioned before, but any
>>>> thought to taking an entirely different bike first semester/first year with
>>>> the plan to revisit taking the Clem second semester/sophomore year?
>>>>
>>>> Good luck with your decision.
>>>> Matt in STL
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:56:34 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great story Mackenzy! I think many of us started on BMX bikes. I was
>>>>> an 80s kid and the group of guys in my neighborhood all had BMX bikes. In
>>>>> college I rode a Trek mountain bike (low end) but also had a car so the
>>>>> bike was primarily for exercise. I tried single speed a few years ago and
>>>>> really enjoy the simplicity of it even with the limitations.
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 3:31:13 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Admittedly, I had almost the exact opposite issue as a college
>>>>>> student. I grew up without cyclists in my family, and think it's so rad
>>>>>> that there are parents like Leah to give a good starting point of living 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> happily car free college life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was messy messy messy in my hyperfocus niche interests (bikes). As
>>>>>> an adolescent I got into bmx bikes. I had a very high end BMX I kept in 
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> dorm room under my bunk for the first two years. I worked at a skatepark
>>>>>> and rode with many professional friends. Eventually, a visiting friend
>>>>>> "from the city" br

Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[David Jones]

Let's make it 3 for 3.  Keep the new Clem at home.  There will be plenty of
time for him to enjoy it during college breaks, and post-college.  In 20+
years as a campus pastor at a Big 12 university, I don't ever recall seeing
that nice of a bike on campus.

David Jones


On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 9:56 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college
> in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses,
> bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up
> riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who
> doesn’t ride, sigh).
>
> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020,
> and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I
> lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the
> bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of
> saying…
>
> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if
> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into
> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno
> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the
> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But
> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to
> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe,
> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode
> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees
> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it
> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.”
>
> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because
> it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and
> I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally
> unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the
> kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep
> at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I
> don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But
> as of now, he wants his new bike.
>
> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would
> be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could
> be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey
> through undergrad together.
>
> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college
> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Atlas tubeless?

[David Baldi]

another anecdotal take, for what it's worth: 
I have run a pair Dyads tubeless for about 3 years with no problems at low 
pressure (oracle ridge, ~17-25 psi). But it did take more work and patience 
to set up. As Patrick has already noted, in the absence of a good shoulder 
you can build up the center of the well with Gorilla tape. I prefer 
starting with two layers of tubeless tape to get the seal, and then 
gradually building up the center with a narrower strip of Gorilla tape 
until, with the tire mounted, the bead is super tight even in the well. 
Which also means it sucks getting it over the rim in the first place, and 
that you'll probably need to do it a few times until you nail it. By using 
a thinner width for the gorilla tape, you create, if not a shoulder, at 
least something of a lip to keep the beat from going back to center in the 
case of a flat. Though IME the orange seal connection the forms at the bead 
has always been enough to keep it in place. 
What I decided for myself was: when it is time to rebuild or upgrade the 
wheel, I'll go tubeless compatible for peace of mind, less trouble, and 
easier field service. Until then, I'll stick with the Dyads. I should also 
mention that, once I set up a pair of Oracle Ridge tires tubeless, 
replacing them with new tires (Hatcher Pass) was easy—I didn't have to redo 
that whole process.

-david


On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:56:53 AM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> My Big Bens are nearing end of life and I’m curious about setting up my 
> Hunq tubeless. But I have Atlas rims, which Velocity says is a no-go. 
> However if you scroll through the comments on this article, John Watson 
> from the Radavist says they set up nicely:
>
> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-hunqapillar-review/
>
> So why would I want to do this? Mostly to get experience working with 
> tubeless setups. My full-squish MTB and gravel/bikepacking rig are 
> tubeless, and if/when I encounter issues with either of them (esp. if I’m 
> in a remote locale) I’d like to have some hands-on knowledge with 
> troubleshooting tubeless systems. I already have an air compressor, so 
> basically for the cost of some tape and sealant I’d be good to go.
>
> Anybody have experience with making non-tubeless rims play nicely 
> tubeless? Tips or tricks to share? Or is it just a bad idea, and should I 
> resign myself to getting some new wheels built with Cliffhangers? I’d hate 
> to have the Hunq out of commission that long, but if I timed it to coincide 
> with out-of-town travel it probably wouldn’t be that big a deal.
>
> One last question — Cliffhangers are wider than Atlases by about 4.6 mm. 
> How would that affect fender clearance? My intuition is that wider rims 
> should result in a flatter tire arc, and potentially make it possible to go 
> slightly wider if I wanted to. I have 50s now, and would like to be able to 
> move up to 55s or even 60s.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom

[David Linden]

Let me tell you'all

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:37:20 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I hereby promise I would not scold Patrick Moore for buying a complete 
> used road bike for $2000.  At least that would be action.  All action gets 
> my approval.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:33:15 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Wow, nice build, nice tubing, and just my size. I'm not in the market, 
>> though, and anyway Bill would scold me for one more delay in building that 
>> Libertas.
>>
>> I'll be interested to see if someone onlist buys it and to hear that 
>> person's ride reports.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 2:20 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Linden custom 1.png]
>>>
>>> Hi everyone — I spoke with David Linden on the phone about his custom 
>>> Rivendell yesterday. His wife sent me a few pictures of the bike and I'm 
>>> posting them here to share. It's a beautiful bike in great shape, built in 
>>> 2001. 
>>>
>>> If you have further questions please reach out to David at his email 
>>> address above. 
>>>
>>> David mentioned his PBH is 86cm and that his height is 5' 10.5". 
>>>
>>> Plenty of build details above but here is a more complete build list 
>>> with a few more things added which I learned while chatting with Dave: 
>>>
>>>- Made by Curt Goodrich with Reynolds 531, 753, 525 and 725 (see 
>>>tubing diagram below)
>>>- 59cm frame. Top tube length is 57cm, 1.5% or 2% sloping 
>>>- Never ridden in the rain
>>>- Nitto stem, 110mm
>>>- Nitto Noodle handlebars (unsure of the width) 
>>>- Dura Ace headset
>>>- Mavic Open Pro wheels, Dura Ace hubs. 700c 32/36H. 
>>>- Continental Grand Prix 32mm tires
>>>- Tektro 539 calipers, Tektro levers
>>>- Two Nitto R-style cages
>>>- Dura Ace downtube shifters
>>>- Dura Ace 9-speed rear derailer 
>>>- IRD front derailer (I think? Assuming CD is for "compact double")
>>>- 9-speed Ultegra cassette, 12-27
>>>- Ritchey Logic 48/34 cranks! Cranks are 172.5mm
>>>- Shimano cartridge bottom bracket 
>>>- Shimano SPD pedals
>>>- Brooks B17 special in green
>>>- Velo Orange seatpost
>>>- Two Nitto R-style cages
>>>- Few minor chips to paint, one at the back of the fork crown. Also 
>>>at frame pump mounting locations beneath the top tube (likely on seat 
>>> and 
>>>head tubes). 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Linden custom 5.png]
>>>
>>> [image: Linden custom 3.png]
>>>
>>> More pictures to follow in an additional post! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom

[David Linden]

OK Patrick, here's a ride report of sorts regarding this Rivendell,
actually on our maiden flight together. I finished it's  build 2 days
before leaving for Salida,CO to start that year's sag- supported Bicycle
Tour of Colorado. Drove up from my home in Prescott, AZ, spent the night in
a motel in downtown Salida, ate an early breakfast,and then rode the bike
to Gunnison over Monarch Pass. Set up my tent on the grounds of Western
Colorado college. A nice ride BTW, having previously ridden it going the
other way.

Had  a spaghetti and salad dinner provided by a  local civic group (a big
mistake). Woke up at 0100 hrs with fever, shaking chills, nausea,
vomiting,and diarrhea. I saw no way that I was going to ride another 350
miles that week. Got a sag back to
Salida, packed up the car, drove as far as Cortez,CO, after a few restroom
stops. Thinking about Cortez, do you think this was a case of Montezuma's
revenge??

Well, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!



'

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 4:02 PM jaredwilson  wrote:

> Geez, what a beauty!
>
> Someone will be very happy with this one, best of luck with the sale :)
>
> jared
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:50:15 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> beautiful!
>>
>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 6:37:20 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I hereby promise I would not scold Patrick Moore for buying a complete
>>> used road bike for $2000.  At least that would be action.  All action gets
>>> my approval.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:33:15 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, nice build, nice tubing, and just my size. I'm not in the market,
>>>> though, and anyway Bill would scold me for one more delay in building that
>>>> Libertas.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be interested to see if someone onlist buys it and to hear that
>>>> person's ride reports.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 2:20 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: Linden custom 1.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone — I spoke with David Linden on the phone about his custom
>>>>> Rivendell yesterday. His wife sent me a few pictures of the bike and I'm
>>>>> posting them here to share. It's a beautiful bike in great shape, built in
>>>>> 2001.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have further questions please reach out to David at his email
>>>>> address above.
>>>>>
>>>>> David mentioned his PBH is 86cm and that his height is 5' 10.5".
>>>>>
>>>>> Plenty of build details above but here is a more complete build list
>>>>> with a few more things added which I learned while chatting with Dave:
>>>>>
>>>>>- Made by Curt Goodrich with Reynolds 531, 753, 525 and 725 (see
>>>>>tubing diagram below)
>>>>>- 59cm frame. Top tube length is 57cm, 1.5% or 2% sloping
>>>>>- Never ridden in the rain
>>>>>- Nitto stem, 110mm
>>>>>- Nitto Noodle handlebars (unsure of the width)
>>>>>- Dura Ace headset
>>>>>- Mavic Open Pro wheels, Dura Ace hubs. 700c 32/36H.
>>>>>- Continental Grand Prix 32mm tires
>>>>>- Tektro 539 calipers, Tektro levers
>>>>>- Two Nitto R-style cages
>>>>>- Dura Ace downtube shifters
>>>>>- Dura Ace 9-speed rear derailer
>>>>>- IRD front derailer (I think? Assuming CD is for "compact double")
>>>>>- 9-speed Ultegra cassette, 12-27
>>>>>- Ritchey Logic 48/34 cranks! Cranks are 172.5mm
>>>>>- Shimano cartridge bottom bracket
>>>>>- Shimano SPD pedals
>>>>>- Brooks B17 special in green
>>>>>- Velo Orange seatpost
>>>>>- Two Nitto R-style cages
>>>>>- Few minor chips to paint, one at the back of the fork crown.
>>>>>Also at frame pump mounting locations beneath the top tube (likely on 
>>>>> seat
>>>>>and head tubes).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Linden custom 5.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Linden custom 3.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> More pictures to follow in an additional post!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom

[David Linden]

Thanks, Ryan

Such tips are ver
DAL

On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 5:23 AM Ryan  wrote:

> One of the posters has commented on being unable to reply to a post using
> their phone (Android or IOS) on Google groups. I found this as well...what
> a PITA.
>
> This may help
>
>
> https://support.google.com/groups/thread/123173242/cannot-post-or-reply-via-mobile-by-default?hl=en
>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:29:09 AM UTC-5 Dustin wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> You aren’t the first to engage this struggle with the photos.
>>
>> Try clicking on these for some help:
>>
>> Adding photos to Post
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/KHm7pCW92IM/m/EtJQLwauAgAJ>
>> groups.google.com
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/KHm7pCW92IM/m/EtJQLwauAgAJ>
>> [image: groups_32dp.png]
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/KHm7pCW92IM/m/EtJQLwauAgAJ>
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/KHm7pCW92IM/m/EtJQLwauAgAJ>
>>
>> Plea for help with photos
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/-jcTViJDMXw/m/CVR46BuqCwAJ>
>> groups.google.com
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/-jcTViJDMXw/m/CVR46BuqCwAJ>
>> [image: groups_32dp.png]
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/-jcTViJDMXw/m/CVR46BuqCwAJ>
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/-jcTViJDMXw/m/CVR46BuqCwAJ>
>>
>>
>> Dustin
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2023, at 11:18 PM, David Linden  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I am trying to learn how to take and send pictures,, but iit is going
>> slow. Will try harder,
>>
>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:52:22 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Would lve to see some pics, dalinden36!
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:35:47 PM UTC-4 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Corrections to the above: the seat post is a VO Velo  Orange 27.2mm.
>>>> The B17 saddle has had minimal usage, never wet, treated  only with Brooks
>>>> leather treatment product. I have several other saddles to consider,  and
>>>> we can talk about later.
>>>>
>>>> The tires are Contiinental 700x32 Grand Prix Four Season foldables.
>>>> Also, I have two brand new of these tires, which could be negotiated.
>>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:12:16 AM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a one owner 59cm Road Custom that I need to sell. Built by Curt
>>>>> Goodrich in the mid2001 timeframe. I have the original build sheet, but 
>>>>> not
>>>>> sure how to display that here. It's color code 5056 light  blue metallic.
>>>>> Lighter tube set for my 155 lb. frame. Note: has horizontal rear dropouts.
>>>>> Built for short reach brakes, but currently has Tektro 539 brakes and
>>>>> levers, clearing 32mm tires. Nitto stem and noodles.
>>>>> Dura Ace DT 9 speed shifters, rear DR, headset, hubs laced to silver
>>>>> Mavic Open rims, 32 front, 36 rear. FD is ? CD, I don't remember exactly.
>>>>> Crank is a  silver 48/34 Ritchey Logic.
>>>>> Shimono cartridge BB. ST is a silver Pedal Orange currently carrying a
>>>>> green Brooks B17.
>>>>> Tires are Conti 700-32mm with some useable wear remaining.
>>>>>
>>>>> It shows minimal bearsage! However, I'm tech challenged, and still
>>>>> working on how to take and send photos. Has seen almost no rain, here in
>>>>> AZ. I am thinking around $2000  plus BikeFlight shipping.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I am way off base, please contact me and I'll call you to discuss
>>>>> further. Thank you.
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom

[David Linden]

I am trying to learn how to take and send pictures,, but iit is going slow. 
Will try harder,

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:52:22 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Would lve to see some pics, dalinden36! 
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:35:47 PM UTC-4 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Corrections to the above: the seat post is a VO Velo  Orange 27.2mm. The 
>> B17 saddle has had minimal usage, never wet, treated  only with Brooks 
>> leather treatment product. I have several other saddles to consider,  and 
>> we can talk about later.
>>
>> The tires are Contiinental 700x32 Grand Prix Four Season foldables. Also, 
>> I have two brand new of these tires, which could be negotiated.
>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:12:16 AM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:
>>
>>> I have a one owner 59cm Road Custom that I need to sell. Built by Curt 
>>> Goodrich in the mid2001 timeframe. I have the original build sheet, but not 
>>> sure how to display that here. It's color code 5056 light  blue metallic. 
>>> Lighter tube set for my 155 lb. frame. Note: has horizontal rear dropouts. 
>>> Built for short reach brakes, but currently has Tektro 539 brakes and 
>>> levers, clearing 32mm tires. Nitto stem and noodles. 
>>> Dura Ace DT 9 speed shifters, rear DR, headset, hubs laced to silver 
>>> Mavic Open rims, 32 front, 36 rear. FD is ? CD, I don't remember exactly. 
>>> Crank is a  silver 48/34 Ritchey Logic.
>>> Shimono cartridge BB. ST is a silver Pedal Orange currently carrying a 
>>> green Brooks B17.
>>> Tires are Conti 700-32mm with some useable wear remaining.
>>>
>>> It shows minimal bearsage! However, I'm tech challenged, and still 
>>> working on how to take and send photos. Has seen almost no rain, here in 
>>> AZ. I am thinking around $2000  plus BikeFlight shipping.
>>>
>>> If I am way off base, please contact me and I'll call you to discuss 
>>> further. Thank you.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom

[David Linden]

Corrections to the above: the seat post is a VO Velo  Orange 27.2mm. The 
B17 saddle has had minimal usage, never wet, treated  only with Brooks 
leather treatment product. I have several other saddles to consider,  and 
we can talk about later.

The tires are Contiinental 700x32 Grand Prix Four Season foldables. Also, I 
have two brand new of these tires, which could be negotiated.
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:12:16 AM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:

> I have a one owner 59cm Road Custom that I need to sell. Built by Curt 
> Goodrich in the mid2001 timeframe. I have the original build sheet, but not 
> sure how to display that here. It's color code 5056 light  blue metallic. 
> Lighter tube set for my 155 lb. frame. Note: has horizontal rear dropouts. 
> Built for short reach brakes, but currently has Tektro 539 brakes and 
> levers, clearing 32mm tires. Nitto stem and noodles. 
> Dura Ace DT 9 speed shifters, rear DR, headset, hubs laced to silver Mavic 
> Open rims, 32 front, 36 rear. FD is ? CD, I don't remember exactly. Crank 
> is a  silver 48/34 Ritchey Logic.
> Shimono cartridge BB. ST is a silver Pedal Orange currently carrying a 
> green Brooks B17.
> Tires are Conti 700-32mm with some useable wear remaining.
>
> It shows minimal bearsage! However, I'm tech challenged, and still working 
> on how to take and send photos. Has seen almost no rain, here in AZ. I am 
> thinking around $2000  plus BikeFlight shipping.
>
> If I am way off base, please contact me and I'll call you to discuss 
> further. Thank you.
>

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Road Custom

[David Linden]

I have a one owner 59cm Road Custom that I need to sell. Built by Curt 
Goodrich in the mid2001 timeframe. I have the original build sheet, but not 
sure how to display that here. It's color code 5056 light  blue metallic. 
Lighter tube set for my 155 lb. frame. Note: has horizontal rear dropouts. 
Built for short reach brakes, but currently has Tektro 539 brakes and 
levers, clearing 32mm tires. Nitto stem and noodles. 
Dura Ace DT 9 speed shifters, rear DR, headset, hubs laced to silver Mavic 
Open rims, 32 front, 36 rear. FD is ? CD, I don't remember exactly. Crank 
is a  silver 48/34 Ritchey Logic.
Shimono cartridge BB. ST is a silver Pedal Orange currently carrying a 
green Brooks B17.
Tires are Conti 700-32mm with some useable wear remaining.

It shows minimal bearsage! However, I'm tech challenged, and still working 
on how to take and send photos. Has seen almost no rain, here in AZ. I am 
thinking around $2000  plus BikeFlight shipping.

If I am way off base, please contact me and I'll call you to discuss 
further. Thank you.

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[RBW] Re: New member confession.

[David Linden]

Thank you all. You may find it interesting that forced exercise such as 
cycling is being studied as a way to slow the progression of PD.. Dr Jay 
Albert at the Cleveland Clinic has the Pedaling for PD program. He started 
putting the patients on a tandem and had the captain push the stoker 
patient harder than they would  normally do on their own. NOw he is using 
gear driven bikes .How  hard  you need to ride remains to.be seen.

At least it is something worth trying.

I have several bikes that this group might find of. interest. I'll post 
them over the next few days. It may take me awhile. I am finding that 
typing is difficult and very frustrating due to my PD.

Thanks again.






On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:13:49 AM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> David, sorry to hear about your situation. I hope you can continue to ride 
> for longer than you think you will but understand your concerns as I have 
> seen friends with Parkinson’s and how each person seems to have different 
> challenges. 
>
> Good luck with your sale, try to keep one for as long as you can.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Joel
>
> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 8:47:47 PM UTC-4 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My primary reason for requesting membership to this group is that I must 
>> begin selling all six of my bikes and related bicycle gear. Let me explain, 
>> please. 
>> I was a member of the original Bridgestone Owner's Group, I think #912  
>> ???. I joined the RBW group early on, but eventually dropped active 
>> participation  because I could not keep up with the number of e-mails 
>> involved.
>>
>> I am now a retired, 87 year old, VA physician, living in north central 
>> Arizona. I primarily was a road rider, (non racer, ) with some off road 
>> riding in the national forest  which lies out my front door. I stopped  
>> riding outdoors when we were shut down by the Covid pandemic.
>> I could not risk an injury requiring a hospital ER  visit or 
>> hospitalization, and leaving my wife to fend for herself. Thus, I have only 
>> been riding indoors on my Revmaster Pro stationary bike.
>> I have more recently been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, am on 
>> medication,, but am plagued with extreme fatigue, which limits my rides to 
>> about 30 minutes. PD is a progressive, incurable disease, thus my cycling 
>> situation is not likely to change .
>> Therefore, I an going to try to sell my bikes and miscellaneous gear and 
>> equipment.
>>
>> :I/,m 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] New member confession.

[David Linden]

My primary reason for requesting membership to this group is that I must 
begin selling all six of my bikes and related bicycle gear. Let me explain, 
please. 
I was a member of the original Bridgestone Owner's Group, I think #912  
???. I joined the RBW group early on, but eventually dropped active 
participation  because I could not keep up with the number of e-mails 
involved.

I am now a retired, 87 year old, VA physician, living in north central 
Arizona. I primarily was a road rider, (non racer, ) with some off road 
riding in the national forest  which lies out my front door. I stopped  
riding outdoors when we were shut down by the Covid pandemic.
I could not risk an injury requiring a hospital ER  visit or 
hospitalization, and leaving my wife to fend for herself. Thus, I have only 
been riding indoors on my Revmaster Pro stationary bike.
I have more recently been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, am on 
medication,, but am plagued with extreme fatigue, which limits my rides to 
about 30 minutes. PD is a progressive, incurable disease, thus my cycling 
situation is not likely to change .
Therefore, I an going to try to sell my bikes and miscellaneous gear and 
equipment.

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[RBW] Re: I spy a yellow Platypus

[David Person]

Cool!

On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on 
> Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming for 
> weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike 
> (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight, 
> probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in 
> Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the 
> questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the 
> details. I’m so happy for her! 
> Leah
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and 
>> wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or 
>> so. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!
>>>
>>> Posting here for those without social media accounts
>>>
>>> Max
>>> [image: 351013416_54772725404_237773184394501808_n.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[David Person]

Unfortunately, I'll have to pass.  More climbing than I'm in shape for at 
this time.

David/Thousand Oaks/2015 Hillborne

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:14:15 PM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Great! Looking for to it. Looks like a perfect 71 degree day is in store 
> for us. The 9am start seems like a good balance. Early enough but not too 
> early. Admittedly the starting point is only a 30 min ride from my place.
>
> Brian/Glendale/2015 Hillborne
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for our LA 
>> Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. Originally, 
>> the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an hour to start in 
>> some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can always go back 
>> to the og time, just LMK.
>>
>> *As a reminder, here are the details:*
>>
>> When: 9 AM 
>> Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont Ave, Los 
>> Angeles, CA 90027
>> Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 mi with 
>> 1k ft. of climbing
>>
>> Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at House of 
>> Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign climb for folks 
>> who want to do some more climbing!
>>
>> -Houston
>>
>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the "single 
>>> scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM David Person  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've marked my calendar.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi y'all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 
>>>>>> 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust 
>>>>>> specifics 
>>>>>> closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of the 
>>>>>> 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across 
>>>>>> from 
>>>>>> the Greek at 8 am. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
>>>>>> weekend...it looks so sick! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So excited to meet everyone! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Houston
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but wanted 
>>>>>>> rep the set.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles 
>>>>>>> Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>>>>>>> <https://www.losangelesinvitational.com/>. John Prolly's write 2022 
>>>>>>> write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
>>>>>>> <https://theradavist.com/2022-la-invitational-cub-house/>
>>>>>>> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot at 
>>>>>>> the swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap is 
>>>>>>> really 
>>>>>>> good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end items.
>>>>>>> -Matt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
>>>>>>>> meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
>>>>>>>> Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since 
>>>>>>>> there 
>>>>>>>> are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @bryce -- Yep, that was orange Sam at Palomares Adobe. What a great 
>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] WTB: Roly Poly Tires

[David Harries]

Not my listing, but here is a craigslist posting in 
Philadelphia: 
https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bop/d/philadelphia-rivendell-rolly-poly-tires/7606900224.html

The seller may ship. If push comes to shove, let me know, I may be able to 
facilitate purchase/shipment. 

David in Philly.


On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:36:45 PM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panaracer-Rivendell-Ruffy-Tuffy-Road-Tires-700x28c-Tan-Wall-New-no-packaging/304946354174?hash=item47003817fe:g:k5YAAOSwAkRkaRdk=enc:AQAI4POPQt2hupOFQTiPGtIVEtYMkSp8WKr9Kcw5vX5O/zxld3qxZPr9MjlcGDxEX74OoOcSeHif6AIJ/6i2wS71/e/hi1CMZHJA+XgWJaBx7FbZZwPF/TAtn8PDR/Ic8L15h5diFRM7sZe1gvDHWwC51lGxveqRN4ZkZo9PLnly/kQ3pWikMNA2Nxvnb1gHk5wFzDYlkWWILt/9nA1Dw2wjUJBdkend00o6S1vIWlGjNMppI85uCDUxcgRDzmekWdxgZ4pS+m6o9xXfPejO1BG3pewzY25G2po3T2XCp8L56MJl%7Ctkp:Bk9SR4Cb37qHYg=c51cb47a-a027-4067-b0e5-668bbdc57d41=mobile
>
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panaracer-Rivendell-Ruffy-Tuffy-Road-Tires-700x28c-Tan-Wall/304946254173?hash=item470036915d:g:ElwAAOSwq5RkaPkq=enc:AQAIwE2zZ+2OmcT6/1Hv4Hssi/2LxWZeqvdTyRSGxhQ/vxTF2ewHc+NCg/UFIjmNaIVeEtFn2oKxXMkIOdbuNom+9YJFq0s1kDqIAUvex8y0ymLBxM+Orsaz2rKoEjsIg7CmdrtS1kAPapNZiXFmkY/Xlc1Qs50PAt+bG4Z693laxLWLdv8cudrgHdJV8GNXaJZssTpoSD3/lCfpGcxURLIjjvqbdNCfzdSQfWhZLP5Nzl3hY1pCQVu/XJDrW6vPSgGpQw==%7Ctkp:Bk9SR4Cb37qHYg=9347c951-1531-4fbf-b2c0-7e92c5e78574=mobile
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 8:33 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Can you send a link? Not seeing them when I search for “Rivendell tires"
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On May 20, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Steven Sweedler  wrote:
>>
>> Eric, two listings on ebay under Rivendell
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 8:27 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody have some new or new-ish Roly Poly tires in 700x28 that you 
>>> don’t need?
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Buncha parts...

[David B]

Update to remove sold items or note those that are claimed, pending payment.

(1.) Brooks B17 Honey Brown Saddle – mounted on a Brompton and used for one 
ride before I realized the stock saddle was easier to carry when folded - 
$90 (claimed, pending)

 

(2.) Paul Moon Units – canti/centerpull hangers - silver – typical 
marks/scratches from cables - $35 a pair – 1 pair claimed, have 1 more pair 
available

 

(3.) Nitto Tallux Stem – 12cm reach, 25.4mm clamp, 225mm height – used, 
typical scratches including a spot where I flipped my bike upside down - $50

 

(4.) Campagnolo Triple – logos worn off, not sure the model, 135/74 bcd, 
175mm, no chainrings or bolt - $30

 

(5.) Sakae Triple Crankset – silver, 80s/90s make/model – for a budget 
build – with chainrings and bolts, 130/74 - $20

 

(7.) Shimano Deore (vintage) FC-6206 – was black, removed the paint on the 
outer side, still black on the backside of the driveside, 110/74bcd, comes 
with a very worn 45t chainring and bolts for 110mm - $30

 

(8.) Stock Clem Saddle – these came (come?) on complete Clems, have the 
handle thing on the back side - $20

 

(9.) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers – some scratches from wall rub, but 
otherwise in nice condition - $30

 

(10.) Shimano Tiagra MTB Brake Levers – short pull, silver, some shellac 
residue and typical wear from a few years of regular use - $20

 

(12.) Salsa Polished Silver Chainring – 42t 130bcd, used, decent condition 
- $12

 

(13.) Salsa Silver Chainring – 42t 135bcd, used, decent condition - $12
On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:37:22 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:

> Garage cleaning. Been fairly content with my bike setups and haven’t felt 
> a tinkering need for a bit, so time to move on some stuff.
>
>  
>
> Prices INCLUDE shipping in US, IF you’re okay with my packing parts in 
> bubble-padded envelopes. 
>
>  
>
> It’s been a bit since I’ve sold or been on this list, but I’ve been around 
> for a while if you search the archives. I’m just west of Chicago if you’d 
> prefer to pickup. 
>
>  
>
> Strongly prefer payment via Venmo. I can do Paypal if that’s a 
> dealbreaker, but I’m set up as a business so I get charged fees and there 
> is no Personal (friends/family) option for business accounts.
>
>
> Photos are here (send me a message for photos if you don't do IG):
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CskNGRmp6Td/
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CskM93kJ-GL/
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CskM5gMJLtA
>
>  
>
> Ok… what’s available…
>
>  
>
> (1.) Brooks B17 Honey Brown Saddle – mounted on a Brompton and used for 
> one ride before I realized the stock saddle was easier to carry when folded 
> - $90
>
>  
>
> (2.) Paul Moon Units – canti/centerpull hangers - silver – typical 
> marks/scratches from cables - $35 a pair – have 2 pairs
>
>  
>
> (3.) Nitto Tallux Stem – 12cm reach, 25.4mm clamp, 225mm height – used, 
> typical scratches including a spot where I flipped my bike upside down - $50
>
>  
>
> (4.) Campagnolo Triple – logos worn off, not sure the model, 135/74 bcd, 
> 175mm, no chainrings or bolt - $30
>
>  
>
> (5.) Sakae Triple Crankset – silver, 80s/90s make/model – for a budget 
> build – with chainrings and bolts, 130/74 - $20
>
>  
>
> (6.) Shimano Dura Ace 7410 Crankset – set up with a 130bcd 38t narrow-wide 
> chainring – 170mm - $40
>
>  
>
> (7.) Shimano Deore (vintage) FC-6206 – was black, removed the paint on the 
> outer side, still black on the backside of the driveside, 110/74bcd, comes 
> with a very worn 45t chainring and bolts for 110mm - $30
>
>  
>
> (8.) Stock Clem Saddle – these came (come?) on complete Clems, have the 
> handle thing on the back side - $20
>
>  
>
> (9.) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers – some scratches from wall rub, but 
> otherwise in nice condition - $30
>
>  
>
> (10.) Shimano Tiagra MTB Brake Levers – short pull, silver, some shellac 
> residue and typical wear from a few years of regular use - $20
>
>  
>
> (11.) Sunrace 8-speed Thumb Shifter – M90, just the right/rear side, 
> 8-speed indexed, very little use - $15
>
>  
>
> (12.) Salsa Polished Silver Chainring – 42t 130bcd, used, decent condition 
> - $12
>
>  
>
> (13.) Salsa Silver Chainring – 42t 135bcd, used, decent condition - $12
>
>  
>
> (14.) Canvas Bag Set – I made these (have made and sold several bags in 
> the past) small/medium front bag with rolltop and flap closure, rear saddle 
> wedge with rolltop and flap closure – Martexin field tan waxed canvas with 
> Italian leather (straps, trim) and solid brass rivets and buckles, I used 
> these for a summer or so, then made up a new set for myself - $90 for both 
> bags
>
>  
>
> (15.) Gray cordur

[RBW] Re: FS: Buncha parts...

[David B]

Forgot that link - it's on my IG, but they have sold.
Thanks,
David

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:25:08 AM UTC-5 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey nice to see you around - still using a pair of mudflaps you made :-)
>
> I don't see pictures of the canvas front/rear bags at the link you sent. 
> Are they still available? 
>
> Smitty in DC
>
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 8:37:22 PM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>
>> Garage cleaning. Been fairly content with my bike setups and haven’t felt 
>> a tinkering need for a bit, so time to move on some stuff.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Prices INCLUDE shipping in US, IF you’re okay with my packing parts in 
>> bubble-padded envelopes. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> It’s been a bit since I’ve sold or been on this list, but I’ve been 
>> around for a while if you search the archives. I’m just west of Chicago if 
>> you’d prefer to pickup. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Strongly prefer payment via Venmo. I can do Paypal if that’s a 
>> dealbreaker, but I’m set up as a business so I get charged fees and there 
>> is no Personal (friends/family) option for business accounts.
>>
>>
>> Photos are here (send me a message for photos if you don't do IG):
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CskNGRmp6Td/
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CskM93kJ-GL/
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CskM5gMJLtA
>>
>>  
>>
>> Ok… what’s available…
>>
>>  
>>
>> (1.) Brooks B17 Honey Brown Saddle – mounted on a Brompton and used for 
>> one ride before I realized the stock saddle was easier to carry when folded 
>> - $90
>>
>>  
>>
>> (2.) Paul Moon Units – canti/centerpull hangers - silver – typical 
>> marks/scratches from cables - $35 a pair – have 2 pairs
>>
>>  
>>
>> (3.) Nitto Tallux Stem – 12cm reach, 25.4mm clamp, 225mm height – used, 
>> typical scratches including a spot where I flipped my bike upside down - $50
>>
>>  
>>
>> (4.) Campagnolo Triple – logos worn off, not sure the model, 135/74 bcd, 
>> 175mm, no chainrings or bolt - $30
>>
>>  
>>
>> (5.) Sakae Triple Crankset – silver, 80s/90s make/model – for a budget 
>> build – with chainrings and bolts, 130/74 - $20
>>
>>  
>>
>> (6.) Shimano Dura Ace 7410 Crankset – set up with a 130bcd 38t 
>> narrow-wide chainring – 170mm - $40
>>
>>  
>>
>> (7.) Shimano Deore (vintage) FC-6206 – was black, removed the paint on 
>> the outer side, still black on the backside of the driveside, 110/74bcd, 
>> comes with a very worn 45t chainring and bolts for 110mm - $30
>>
>>  
>>
>> (8.) Stock Clem Saddle – these came (come?) on complete Clems, have the 
>> handle thing on the back side - $20
>>
>>  
>>
>> (9.) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers – some scratches from wall rub, but 
>> otherwise in nice condition - $30
>>
>>  
>>
>> (10.) Shimano Tiagra MTB Brake Levers – short pull, silver, some shellac 
>> residue and typical wear from a few years of regular use - $20
>>
>>  
>>
>> (11.) Sunrace 8-speed Thumb Shifter – M90, just the right/rear side, 
>> 8-speed indexed, very little use - $15
>>
>>  
>>
>> (12.) Salsa Polished Silver Chainring – 42t 130bcd, used, decent 
>> condition - $12
>>
>>  
>>
>> (13.) Salsa Silver Chainring – 42t 135bcd, used, decent condition - $12
>>
>>  
>>
>> (14.) Canvas Bag Set – I made these (have made and sold several bags in 
>> the past) small/medium front bag with rolltop and flap closure, rear saddle 
>> wedge with rolltop and flap closure – Martexin field tan waxed canvas with 
>> Italian leather (straps, trim) and solid brass rivets and buckles, I used 
>> these for a summer or so, then made up a new set for myself - $90 for both 
>> bags
>>
>>  
>>
>> (15.) Gray cordura-like panniers – pair – Norco branded, remind me of 
>> Swift (discontinued) shortstacks – I did some modifications at one point to 
>> make them easier to open while mounted (original system used tension on the 
>> lower hook attached to the main flap closure so opening the bag meant 
>> loosening the lower hook attachment), I didn’t get around to upgrading the 
>> hook/bungee system so these have NO attachment system in place, again these 
>> come with NO rack attachment hardware, so… FREE for shipping – likely fit 
>> in a USPS medium flat rate box
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Buncha parts...

[David B]

Garage cleaning. Been fairly content with my bike setups and haven’t felt a 
tinkering need for a bit, so time to move on some stuff.

 

Prices INCLUDE shipping in US, IF you’re okay with my packing parts in 
bubble-padded envelopes. 

 

It’s been a bit since I’ve sold or been on this list, but I’ve been around 
for a while if you search the archives. I’m just west of Chicago if you’d 
prefer to pickup. 

 

Strongly prefer payment via Venmo. I can do Paypal if that’s a dealbreaker, 
but I’m set up as a business so I get charged fees and there is no Personal 
(friends/family) option for business accounts.


Photos are here (send me a message for photos if you don't do IG):

https://www.instagram.com/p/CskNGRmp6Td/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CskM93kJ-GL/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CskM5gMJLtA

 

Ok… what’s available…

 

(1.) Brooks B17 Honey Brown Saddle – mounted on a Brompton and used for one 
ride before I realized the stock saddle was easier to carry when folded - 
$90

 

(2.) Paul Moon Units – canti/centerpull hangers - silver – typical 
marks/scratches from cables - $35 a pair – have 2 pairs

 

(3.) Nitto Tallux Stem – 12cm reach, 25.4mm clamp, 225mm height – used, 
typical scratches including a spot where I flipped my bike upside down - $50

 

(4.) Campagnolo Triple – logos worn off, not sure the model, 135/74 bcd, 
175mm, no chainrings or bolt - $30

 

(5.) Sakae Triple Crankset – silver, 80s/90s make/model – for a budget 
build – with chainrings and bolts, 130/74 - $20

 

(6.) Shimano Dura Ace 7410 Crankset – set up with a 130bcd 38t narrow-wide 
chainring – 170mm - $40

 

(7.) Shimano Deore (vintage) FC-6206 – was black, removed the paint on the 
outer side, still black on the backside of the driveside, 110/74bcd, comes 
with a very worn 45t chainring and bolts for 110mm - $30

 

(8.) Stock Clem Saddle – these came (come?) on complete Clems, have the 
handle thing on the back side - $20

 

(9.) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers – some scratches from wall rub, but 
otherwise in nice condition - $30

 

(10.) Shimano Tiagra MTB Brake Levers – short pull, silver, some shellac 
residue and typical wear from a few years of regular use - $20

 

(11.) Sunrace 8-speed Thumb Shifter – M90, just the right/rear side, 
8-speed indexed, very little use - $15

 

(12.) Salsa Polished Silver Chainring – 42t 130bcd, used, decent condition 
- $12

 

(13.) Salsa Silver Chainring – 42t 135bcd, used, decent condition - $12

 

(14.) Canvas Bag Set – I made these (have made and sold several bags in the 
past) small/medium front bag with rolltop and flap closure, rear saddle 
wedge with rolltop and flap closure – Martexin field tan waxed canvas with 
Italian leather (straps, trim) and solid brass rivets and buckles, I used 
these for a summer or so, then made up a new set for myself - $90 for both 
bags

 

(15.) Gray cordura-like panniers – pair – Norco branded, remind me of Swift 
(discontinued) shortstacks – I did some modifications at one point to make 
them easier to open while mounted (original system used tension on the 
lower hook attached to the main flap closure so opening the bag meant 
loosening the lower hook attachment), I didn’t get around to upgrading the 
hook/bungee system so these have NO attachment system in place, again these 
come with NO rack attachment hardware, so… FREE for shipping – likely fit 
in a USPS medium flat rate box

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy info request

[David Person]

Doing a search on this site shows the first threads on the Betty Foy at the 
end of 2008 with pictures on the Riv website mentioned in Dec 2008 along 
with mentions of test rides.  Yes, all Taiwan made.  Timing looks to be 
same as the Sam Hillborne.

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/bQZkKv_yoUI/m/B9QC-TmhQSoJ

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:23:41 AM UTC-7 womba...@gmail.com wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what years the Betty Foy was produced? I think 2009 was 
> the first year?
>
> Also, were they all made in Taiwan?
>
> Thanks! Ann
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[David Hallerman]

I think, Luke, part of my response was colored by years of reading some 
fellows -- whether here or other digital bike spaces -- disparage the 
use of torque wrenches. But even though I didn't mean tough guy by my 
use of "masculine," I failed when I put it in gender terms. I'm sorry.


But o'wise, sure, torque wrenches are another tool. And I can see how 
there's virtue in having fewer tools. But since torque wrenches help 
insure correct installation of parts, even with experienced hands, I 
would think many hobbyists who are often less experienced would benefit 
from that kind of accuracy.


Then again, I value accuracy.

Dave, who has carefully assembled over 100 bicycle frames over the years 
for myself my wife and friends and so that's where part of my 
perspective comes from


==

On 5/1/23 12:49 PM, Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Dave -

I guess my comment might have led you to believe that I have a tough 
guy mechanic attitude which just isn’t the case. I have over-torqued 
lockrings, but it’s easy to back off and the issue of over-torquing 
isn’t dire like with over-torquing a threaded bb (I always use a 
torque wrench for that).


Be that as it may, most (not all) bike mechanics I’ve met are not 
tough guys looking to prove a point. My aim with my comment was to 
share my opinion that most hobbyists spend too much time faffing with 
tools and buying tools when that often isn’t needed/is overly expensive.


Luke, a sensitive, approachable bike mechanic who wishes to lower the 
economic entry point for at-home mechanics as much as possible

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:19:20 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a torque
wrench to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet the ring is
typically quite easy to take off, with greased threads of course.

While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of
various bike threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it gets
me closer to exact than hand feel might. For me, the higher the
required Nm value, like a lockring’s 40Nm, the more difficult it
can be to get exact (or close to) without a torque wrench.

Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike mechanics
think working without a torque wrench is somehow more masculine

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque
recommended is 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never
have to remove one torqued to that number!

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson
wrote:

Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for
cassettes and tighten by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a
must for everything in my experience.

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke
Hendrickson wrote:

30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.pngAdam,

I just purchased the attached which can be had for
about $40-50.

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:

Thanks everyone,

I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand
not to have things riding shape) and the case is
closed for now.

It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a
few bits of aluminum, which I cleaned off.
Everything looks fine, so I re-greased,
re-installed and took it a little easier on the
tightening. All seems good to ride.

Thanks all!

Adam

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe
Bernard wrote:

Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling
my procress is to give it a good extra tug
after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start
and call it a day. I've tried removing the
way-too-tight ones and it ain't pretty!

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7
Ian A wrote:

I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring
now, while the grease is fresh. I've
always erred on the side of not tight
enough with lockrings because if they do
unscrew in use the only thing that has
happened for me is the shifting has gone
weird.

When you unscrew it, just be careful the
removal tool is firmly seated. If needed
and just to get it broken loose, you could
   

Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[David Hallerman]

Of course that was an opinion Joe. And because you also noted concern 
about having "to remove one torqued to that number," I thought it useful 
to introduce my direct experience with lockrings, measured torque 
values, and good old Phil grease. Heck, for some reason lately I've been 
installing and removing several. So I come from that.


Anyway, I'm not sure why my experience with these parts and tools made 
my comments seem unaware of your perspective. Sorry about that.


Dave, who finds that using a torque wrench more and more after 30 years 
of wrenching mainly without is like a .725 free throw shooter in the NBA 
working to make himself a .900 shooter on freebies since my hands are 
good enough now but they could be significantly better and in fact my 
hands better learn the various common torques even as I use the tool


P.S. Can you tell I have playoff basketball on my mind?

==

On 5/1/23 1:29 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
Also my "seems crazy high" is an opinion. I didn't realize I needed to 
specify "seems to ME" but here we are.


On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:49:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Dave -

I guess my comment might have led you to believe that I have a
tough guy mechanic attitude which just isn’t the case. I have
over-torqued lockrings, but it’s easy to back off and the issue of
over-torquing isn’t dire like with over-torquing a threaded bb (I
always use a torque wrench for that).

Be that as it may, most (not all) bike mechanics I’ve met are not
tough guys looking to prove a point. My aim with my comment was to
share my opinion that most hobbyists spend too much time faffing
with tools and buying tools when that often isn’t needed/is overly
expensive.

Luke, a sensitive, approachable bike mechanic who wishes to lower
the economic entry point for at-home mechanics as much as possible
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:19:20 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a
torque wrench to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet
the ring is typically quite easy to take off, with greased
threads of course.

While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of
various bike threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it
gets me closer to exact than hand feel might. For me, the
higher the required Nm value, like a lockring’s 40Nm, the more
difficult it can be to get exact (or close to) without a
torque wrench.

Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike
mechanics think working without a torque wrench is somehow
more masculine

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard 
wrote:

I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque
recommended is 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never
have to remove one torqued to that number!

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke
Hendrickson wrote:

Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for
cassettes and tighten by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a
must for everything in my experience.

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke
Hendrickson wrote:

30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.pngAdam,

I just purchased the attached which can be had for
about $40-50.

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7
Adam wrote:

Thanks everyone,

I managed to make time to sort it out (can't
stand not to have things riding shape) and the
case is closed for now.

It came off with a bit of a struggle. There
were a few bits of aluminum, which I cleaned
off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased,
re-installed and took it a little easier on
the tightening. All seems good to ride.

Thanks all!

Adam

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5
Joe Bernard wrote:

Agreed with Ian, when it comes to
reinstalling my procress is to give it a
good extra tug after the clattering "it's
tight" sounds start and call it a day.
I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones
and it ain't pretty!

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM
UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

  

Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[David Hallerman]

40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a torque wrench
to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet the ring is typically quite
easy to take off, with greased threads of course.

While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of various bike
threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it gets me closer to exact
than hand feel might. For me, the higher the required Nm value, like a
lockring’s 40Nm, the more difficult it can be to get exact (or close to)
without a torque wrench.

Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike mechanics think
working without a torque wrench is somehow more masculine

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque recommended is
> 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never have to remove one torqued to
> that number!
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for cassettes and tighten
>> by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a must for everything in my experience.
>>
>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.png]Adam,
>>>
>>> I just purchased the attached which can be had for about $40-50.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>>
 Thanks everyone,

 I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand not to have things
 riding shape) and the case is closed for now.

 It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a few bits of
 aluminum, which I cleaned off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased,
 re-installed and took it a little easier on the tightening. All seems good
 to ride.

 Thanks all!

 Adam

 On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling my procress is to give
> it a good extra tug after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start and 
> call
> it a day. I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones and it ain't pretty!
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>
>> I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring now, while the grease is
>> fresh. I've always erred on the side of not tight enough with lockrings
>> because if they do unscrew in use the only thing that has happened for me
>> is the shifting has gone weird.
>>
>> When you unscrew it, just be careful the removal tool is firmly
>> seated. If needed and just to get it broken loose, you could use a QR 
>> and a
>> couple of washers to make sure it can't slip and strip the female splines
>> on the lockring.
>>
>> IanA
>>
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:06:35 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Asking for thoughts on a silly mistake that I made last night.
>>>
>>> I was in the process of replacing a cassette (had not tried this
>>> myself before) and I cranked way too hard on a fairly long wrench and
>>> over-tightened the lock ring. It dug into the cassette and produced some
>>> little shards. (I did grease the threads, and don't think it's
>>> cross-threaded, all was fine until the END)
>>>
>>> The question: does it make better sense to try to fix this now
>>> (loosen and re-tighten), or should I just save this problem for an 
>>> older,
>>> wiser me in a year or two when I change the cassette again?
>>>
>>> I know I should get a torque wrench, but . . .
>>>
>>> THANKS!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[David Person]

I've marked my calendar.

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:

> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi y'all,
>>
>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 27th 
>> has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust specifics 
>> closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of the 
>> 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across from 
>> the Greek at 8 am. 
>>
>> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
>> weekend...it looks so sick! 
>>
>> So excited to meet everyone! 
>>
>> -Houston
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but wanted rep 
>>> the set.
>>>
>>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles Invitational 
>>> (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>>> <https://www.losangelesinvitational.com/>. John Prolly's write 2022 
>>> write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
>>> <https://theradavist.com/2022-la-invitational-cub-house/>
>>> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot at the 
>>> swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap is really 
>>> good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end items.
>>> -Matt
>>>
>>> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
>>>> @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
>>>> meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
>>>> Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since there 
>>>> are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.
>>>>
>>>> @bryce -- Yep, that was orange Sam at Palomares Adobe. What a great 
>>>> location. My daughter and I were attending the 626 event and happened upon 
>>>> the grounds. Will definitely go back there with the rest of the family in 
>>>> the future. BTW, your Atlantis looks dialed in. Really love the handlebar 
>>>> setup, and will probably go that route once the Roaduno frames come out.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:03:38 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. 
>>>>>
>>>>> David 
>>>>> Black & Tan Sam
>>>>> Thousand Oaks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:54:53 AM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all –– Atlantis rider in the Pomona Valley here. I could likely 
>>>>>> make the 20th or the 27th, with a preference for the 27th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony: I think that was my Atlantis you saw! I'd guess that was your 
>>>>>> parked orange Riv at the Palomares Adobe that I saw too. What a 
>>>>>> coincidence!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Mt. Hollywood route is definitely a climb but it has some great 
>>>>>> payoff! I usually just take a break or two on my way up.
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can make it on the 13th or 27th. Also, I teach for a living so the 
>>>>>>> schedule's wide open during the summer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am available on the 13th, but might be flexible on the 20th
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Brian Cunningham <
>>>>>>>> thisisbria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky 
>>>>>>>> schedule is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends up 
>>>>>>>> being the best date for all parties involved.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[David Person]

Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. 

David 
Black & Tan Sam
Thousand Oaks

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:54:53 AM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all –– Atlantis rider in the Pomona Valley here. I could likely make 
> the 20th or the 27th, with a preference for the 27th.
>
> Tony: I think that was my Atlantis you saw! I'd guess that was your parked 
> orange Riv at the Palomares Adobe that I saw too. What a coincidence!
>
> The Mt. Hollywood route is definitely a climb but it has some great 
> payoff! I usually just take a break or two on my way up.
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> I can make it on the 13th or 27th. Also, I teach for a living so the 
>> schedule's wide open during the summer.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> I am available on the 13th, but might be flexible on the 20th
>>>
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Brian Cunningham  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky 
>>> schedule is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends up 
>>> being the best date for all parties involved.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Houston Wilson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yay, I'm loving hearing from y'all!
>>>
>>> 1. *Anyone have a preference for May 13th, 20th, or 27th?*
>>>
>>> 2. Regarding the route, it seems like most folks are out east, so 
>>> Griffith seems like the best option. 
>>>
>>> Ted D.--point taken about Griffith + Hollywood sign not being very 
>>> chill. So, probably best to just stick to griffith, but if anyone wants to 
>>> ride to the Hollywood sign after, I'd be super down! 
>>>
>>> So, I'm thinking meet by the Greek and do a little loop up to Vista del 
>>> Valle and around to the Observatory. This would be about 8 mi with ~1000 
>>> ft. of elevation. *I don't ride in griffith a ton, so if anyone has 
>>> route suggestions/food spots to hit up before/after...please share haha! *
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 7:24:40 AM UTC-7 Bryan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi! I might be able to make it, schedule permitting. Sounds fun!
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Edgar 
>>>> Valley Village
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:18:43 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Count me in. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in South Pasadena (orange Hillborne bought in 2009). Haven't 
>>>>> browsed this forum in a few years, but decided to check in because I 
>>>>> wanted 
>>>>> to go on a group ride. Oddly enough, I saw a parked Atlantis at the 626 
>>>>> Golden Streets event yesterday. Seems like the perfect time to meet up 
>>>>> with 
>>>>> some other folks, especially since some of the newer Rivs look 
>>>>> drastically 
>>>>> different.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Tony
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:08:22 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all!
>>>>>> I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would 
>>>>>> love to join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done 
>>>>>> around my availability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.
>>>>>>> Has he seen this yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool 
>>>>>>>> to do the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's 
>>>>>>>> or a 
>>>>>>>> Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace 
>>>>>>>> with 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Ramouillet max tire

[David Hallerman]

Thanks Keith, all this is helpful as I’m still tweaking things. I don’t
need fenders right now, so non-rubbing space is my main focus.

Also, I’ve been having fun measuring the same tire on different rims, since
we all know that tire fit depends on more than just the nominal size on the
side of the tire. Here are the actual widths I found for a 700x32 Gravel
King SS tire installed on three different inner diameter rims (in
parentheses), each inflated to 60 psi with tubes.

Mavic Open Pro (15mm) - 30mm wide tire
Velocity A23 (18mm) - 31mm
Velocity Quill (21mm) - 32mm

Obviously, with the exact same amount of rubber, the Quill install that
measured 32 mm wide was less high (I didn’t measure that) than the Open Pro
install at a narrow 30 mm.

Dave, who thinks 700x32 tires are a definite sweet spot

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 5:48 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> David,
>
> You're probably right that they didn't give me more vertical clearance or
> tire clearance for tires "directly."  My recollection is that they gave me
> more room for the fenders, so I could shove them higher, which IN TURN gave
> me more room for the taller tires.  Basically, the shape of the space below
> and between the arms is better.  It's been many years, so all I remenber is
> that I could NOT fit both the 33.33 tires and fenders until I switched from
> the stock shimano brakes.  It might not matter to someone who doesn't want
> to run fenders, but that's not me.
>
> (My wife's bike still has the stock brakes, so I could find the model
> number if ti matters to anyone.  I think they were pretty standard 105
> series medium reach calipers)
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 12:16:09 PM UTC-6 David Hallerman wrote:
>
>> Hi. Not clear how the Tektro R539s give more clearance than, say, Shimano
>> R-600 brakes. Or were you talking about other Shimano brakes?
>>
>> Dave, who has R-600s on his Rambouillet but is always looking for more
>> tire space
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 12:57 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot to mention: I upgraded to the Tektro R539 brakes on my bike which
>>> help alot.  Wife's still has the stock Shmano brakes.  I'm not sure why Riv
>>> doesn't still sell the Tektros.  I thougth that, like the R559, they were
>>> their own design.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 10:28:04 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>>> It changed a little over time, with the later  ones having a bit more
>>>> clearance than the first-run orange ones.   I think the green ones were the
>>>> last (?) so, presumably, they have at least as good as the blue ones.
>>>> Additionally, my own experience tells me that there is a bit of
>>>> difference between the 700c and 559 wheel size frames.
>>>>
>>>> My 60 cm / 700c 2006 blue one has 33.33 jack browns and sks (esge)
>>>> fenders with plenty of clearance.  That's the most I could do though, and
>>>> the brakes are the limiting factor.  As the literature at the time
>>>> suggested, I think it would fit a 37 mm without a fender
>>>>
>>>> My wife has a same-year 50 cm / 559 frame and it would have a little
>>>> less clearance because the rear brake bridge is installed sliightly lower
>>>> relative to the rim.  She's happy with a 1" (28mm) tire and no fenders
>>>> though.   It might fit a 32mm.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 10:07:58 AM UTC-6 cdres...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know this has been covered before but still not quite sure what the
>>>>> max tire size is for a Rambouillet. Mine is a 2003 and right now I run
>>>>> 700x25 with plastic fenders. When I replace those tires with larger ones
>>>>> but it looks pretty tight to go no more than a 28. Herse has the Chinook
>>>>> (28) and the Cayuse Pass (26).
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ramouillet max tire

[David Hallerman]

Hi. Not clear how the Tektro R539s give more clearance than, say, Shimano
R-600 brakes. Or were you talking about other Shimano brakes?

Dave, who has R-600s on his Rambouillet but is always looking for more tire
space

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 12:57 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> Forgot to mention: I upgraded to the Tektro R539 brakes on my bike which
> help alot.  Wife's still has the stock Shmano brakes.  I'm not sure why Riv
> doesn't still sell the Tektros.  I thougth that, like the R559, they were
> their own design.
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 10:28:04 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> It changed a little over time, with the later  ones having a bit more
>> clearance than the first-run orange ones.   I think the green ones were the
>> last (?) so, presumably, they have at least as good as the blue ones.
>> Additionally, my own experience tells me that there is a bit of
>> difference between the 700c and 559 wheel size frames.
>>
>> My 60 cm / 700c 2006 blue one has 33.33 jack browns and sks (esge)
>> fenders with plenty of clearance.  That's the most I could do though, and
>> the brakes are the limiting factor.  As the literature at the time
>> suggested, I think it would fit a 37 mm without a fender
>>
>> My wife has a same-year 50 cm / 559 frame and it would have a little less
>> clearance because the rear brake bridge is installed sliightly lower
>> relative to the rim.  She's happy with a 1" (28mm) tire and no fenders
>> though.   It might fit a 32mm.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 10:07:58 AM UTC-6 cdres...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know this has been covered before but still not quite sure what the
>>> max tire size is for a Rambouillet. Mine is a 2003 and right now I run
>>> 700x25 with plastic fenders. When I replace those tires with larger ones
>>> but it looks pretty tight to go no more than a 28. Herse has the Chinook
>>> (28) and the Cayuse Pass (26).
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[David Wadstrup]

Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for me.  But, 
I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think would be a max pbh 
for this large frame.

Thanks,

David
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bump. $3000 +shipping. 
>
> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
> Nitto S65 seatpost.
> DXR brakes and levers. 
> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
> Silver cranks.
> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit very 
>> often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax return 
>> season is coming. Haha. 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Great bike, great color, it's just kind of a niche within the Riv niche 
>>> so it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Spring is coming! 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:54:38 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Keith, I appreciate that! I feel like it’s a pretty good deal 
>>>> so I’m happy to hear I’m not totally crazy there. Not in a rush for now 
>>>> but 
>>>> if it keeps sitting here I’m going to start riding it again soon! I took 
>>>> the saddle of to help temptation.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:40:50 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don't give up, don't get impatient or desperate,  and don't entertain 
>>>>> low-ball offers.  This bike is almost perfect:  best size, best color, 
>>>>> best 
>>>>> wheels, best crankset, best cockpit.  Someone just needs to realize it.  
>>>>> I 
>>>>> wish I could afford it right now  for a spare to my orange one.  Someone 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> going to be very happy though
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:09:06 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally got it all back together and cleaned up. Put a new Jim 13-42 
>>>>>> cassette on so I didn’t have to swap the other. Bike is ready to go!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking $3000 +shipping OBO
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 11:06:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frameset: $1700 + Shipping  (size large dark gold)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wheels: $650 + Shipping (Rich built Cliffhangers with WI hubs)
>>>>>>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’d definitely prefer to just sell this complete so offers are 
>>>>>>>> welcome! I will entertain offers on the frameset or wheels as well 
>>>>>>>> though. 
>>>>>>>> People have asked but the offer has to be reasonable. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 9:29:10 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I decided not to sell the SimWorks Sugar built wheels so I thought 
>>>>>>>>> I’d post some pictures of it right now. In the middle of cleaning the 
>>>>>>>>> drivetrain so that’s why the cassette and chain are off. I was going 
>>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>>> swap the brake levers for the Shimano DXR to match the brakes and 
>>>>>>>>> lower the 
>>>>>>>>> price. (Ran out of time so the Paul levers are still pictured)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>>>>>>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>>>>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>>>>>>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>>>>>>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>>>>>>>> Silver cranks.
>>>>>>>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Asking $3250 + shipping 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:38:48 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>&

[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Tallux Stem - 11cm, 25.4mm

[David B]

Stem obtained!
Thanks,
David

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:47:48 PM UTC-6 David B wrote:

> Looking to swap up the stem on my Clem - originally built this with 
> Albatross bars, switched to Wavie which I've been running for a few years, 
> but the 12cm stem has always been a touch long. Interested to see how a 
> 11cm would feel. Also doing a canti to v-brake swap so figured this would 
> be a good time to play around with stem reach. But, Rivendell is out of 
> stock in the size I need. So... looking for...
>
> Nitto Tallux stem (the cold forged, 225mm height version that Riv sells)
> 25.4mm clamp
> 11 cm extension.
> Interested in used or new condition.
>
> Thanks,
> David
> River Grove, IL
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Tallux Stem - 11cm, 25.4mm

[David B]

Looking to swap up the stem on my Clem - originally built this with 
Albatross bars, switched to Wavie which I've been running for a few years, 
but the 12cm stem has always been a touch long. Interested to see how a 
11cm would feel. Also doing a canti to v-brake swap so figured this would 
be a good time to play around with stem reach. But, Rivendell is out of 
stock in the size I need. So... looking for...

Nitto Tallux stem (the cold forged, 225mm height version that Riv sells)
25.4mm clamp
11 cm extension.
Interested in used or new condition.

Thanks,
David
River Grove, IL

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[RBW] Re: Single-Bolt Stem Spreading Options

[David Person]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002INOFSA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1

Powerbuilt Internal Snap Ring Pliers

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:25:51 AM UTC-8 MTR wrote:

> Throw some masking tape over a flat head or whatever you use to spread the 
> stem to prevent scratches. I didn’t find the towel rack bars tight to get 
> on a nitto dirt drop stem, but your experience may vary. 
>
> Best, 
> Morgan 
>
>
> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 5:27:37 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've got some towel rack drop bars on the way to me that will be going on 
>> my newly acquired AHH. I was planning on picking up one of the tools nitto 
>> makes specifically for spreading single-bolt stems but Crust was out of 
>> stock. I've installed plenty of bars using the ole flat head method, which 
>> always works, but i usually end up with a scratch or two. Anybody got any 
>> good alternative methods I'm not thinking of?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Brian
>>
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[RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[David Pulsipher]

beautiful work Eric - thank you for sharing with us!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have 
> a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>
> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for 
> the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to 
> Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat 
> stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the 
> downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>
> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>
> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>
> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
> which I shaped and finished. 
>
> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>
> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>
> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed them: 
> Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>
> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
> • Kasai 32H front hub
> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
> • Busch + Müller light mount
> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
> • Suntour Superbe levers
> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
> • MKS XC-III pedals
> • Suntour AR front derailer
> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
> • Brooks Conquest saddle
> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
> • Sim Works x Hoshi
> • M5 brass socket head screws
> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>
> Larger pictures here: 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>
> Thanks for lookin'! 
>

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Re: [RBW] New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[David Hays]

Beautiful build!

David Hays

> On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Here are some close-ups I took once I discovered the "macro" mode on my 
> partner's ancient Nikon DSLR: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have a 
> full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg 
> <https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg>
> 
> 
> 
> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for the 
> saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to Rob 
> Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat 
> stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the 
> downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also stripped 
> the frame to raw steel. 
> 
> 
> 
> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax. 
> 
> 
> 
> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. De-anodized 
> some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR RD-M952. Dead stock 
> WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. Lots of Suntour, some 
> TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto Shaka bars, MKS bear 
> trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
> 
> 
> 
> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo which I 
> shaped and finished. 
> 
> 
> 
> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR M900 
> in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at my 
> local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat Trap 
> Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
> 
> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed them: 
> Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
> 
> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
> • Kasai 32H front hub
> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
> • Busch + Müller light mount
> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
> • Suntour Superbe levers
> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
> • MKS XC-III pedals
> • Suntour AR front derailer
> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
> • Brooks Conquest saddle
> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
> • Sim Works x Hoshi
> • M5 brass socket head screws
> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
> 
> Larger pictures here: 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>  
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing>
> 
> Thanks for lookin'! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Some really nice Rivendell wool…

[David Hallerman]

Yeah, that relisting makes me suspicious about what might have happened the
first time around.

That said, I still love it. Maybe I should buy it and just lose 10 pounds
or so off my already skinny bod. Nah.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:32 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Well, for those of us who missed the jersey now we have the opportunity to
> buy it! For $200 more than before!
>
> They didn't even take new pictures.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/334693544769
>
> On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 3:34:12 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> According to Jim's page on the jerseys these were produced in 2007
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/preview_jersey_olive.html
>>
>> I'm not a jersey guy but I'd like to have one of these.
>>
>> On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 2:47:25 PM UTC-5 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>
>>> That was VERY nice! Would have worked with my green Platypus!
>>> When were those made and sold?
>>> David Lipsky
>>> Berkeley
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 2:38:22 PM UTC-8 David Hallerman wrote:
>>>
>>>> …for the smaller among us. I love the color, would have bought the
>>>> jersey if its fit favored my body.
>>>>
>>>> Dave, who has no connection whatsoever with the seller
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155338119505?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=xVErmBxvSyK=2349624=8RYRb3KuTHC=_ver=artemis=COPY
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Re: [RBW] Riv Silver Rear Hubs

[David Lipsky]

I often feel like, at 120 pounds, I’m in the wrong club. Riv frames are 
over-built for me and wheels are, too!
At least big tires can give a forgiving ride.

David


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[RBW] Some really nice Rivendell wool…

[David Hallerman]

…for the smaller among us. I love the color, would have bought the jersey
if its fit favored my body.

Dave, who has no connection whatsoever with the seller

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Re: [RBW] Is there a 31.8 clamp drop bar comparable to a Nitto Noodle 54cm?

[David Hallerman]

Scott, the Nitto M151 is a new favorite. Somewhat shallower with less reach
than Noodles, but still same basic effects for me.

I have the 31.8 version on my Gunnar Sport, and the 26.0 clamp size
(everything else the same) on my Rambouillet.

https://www.retro-gression.com/products/nitto-m151f-ssb-handlebar

That’s where I bought the bars. Interesting online presence.

Dave

Hudson Valley NY

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 10:07 PM 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hey, all:
>
> I'm wanting to try a 54cm Nitto Noodle drop, but I want to keep my 31.8
> Faceplater to facilitate cockpit changes.
>
> Anyone know of a comparable bar or solution? Maybe I should just get a
> Noodle and stem for change outs...
>
> Also, am I on the right track going with a Noodle (54cm cuz I'm tall)? I
> plan on using it as a cockpit option for my Atlantis build.
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
> Scott
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Re: [RBW] ISO: Missing Link wheel building book

[David Person]

I am unfamiliar with this publication and don't mean to hijack your post, 
but when I took up wheel building two years ago I purchased a copy of Roger 
Munson's "Professional Guide to Wheel Building" and it was the best $12 
I've ever spent.  The book is so well written and laid out that it gave me 
confidence that I could successfully build a set of wheels.  I've since 
built 7 pairs.  The book is not only a great resource, I found it an 
enjoyable read.  I've got copies of other books on wheel building, 
including the classic "The Bicycle Wheel" by Jobst Brandt.  None 'spoke' to 
me like the Munson book (yeah, pun intended).  I can't speak highly enough 
about it.  I've go no financial ties to Roger or his book, I'm just not 
sure I would have take the plunge into wheel building had I not read it.

https://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php



On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:58:02 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> Oooo. I'd sure like same!
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:43 PM, Slin
>  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I was just chatting with Rich Lesnik and he recommended a wheel building 
> book/pamphlet from the Missing Link (sad hearing that shop is closing, btw).
>
> I was wondering if anyone had a copy I could buy or know if there are 
> scans of it somewhere.
>
> Thanks!
> Slin
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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[David Hallerman]

That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the originally
8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact doubles I run
on many of my bikes.

I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact doubles,
like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?

Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks curiosity
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On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th
> century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting
> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>
> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Aaron and Scott,
>>
>> I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a 2005
>> (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one so I
>> bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts
>> beautifully.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by space
>>> between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
>>>
>>> Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm
>>> building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it.
>>> Think I just found some direction...
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> 
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small reminders
>>> are the best.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>
>>>
>>> p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected.
>>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
>>> One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is any
>>> trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have a
>>> special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is
>>> complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.
>>>
>>> It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful
>>> furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While
>>> technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my two
>>> years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the
>>> gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia
>>> racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The
>>> Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, and
>>> the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat their
>>> goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception.
>>>
>>> Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes, while
>>> very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering up the
>>> frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with a
>>> beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech.
>>>
>>> Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my
>>> Atlantis and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works
>>> beautifully with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.
>>>
>>> I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of
>>> countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the
>>> mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>> [image: IMG_0058.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

[David Person]

Yet again, great job and thank you for sharing.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:19:37 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> [image: Riv Badge Poster small 120122.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to keep 
>> things interesting. Hope you all like it.
>>
>>1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front and 
>>center and larger than life.
>>2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top 
>>left - I had not seen this one before. I like it!
>>3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
>>4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time in 
>>blue.  
>>5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being 
>>sold yet. 
>>6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the badges. 
>>Frames are standard for this size print. 
>>
>> I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell continues 
>> to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 
>>
>> As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and 
>> print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride 
>> throughout the year!
>>
>> Rivendell Badge Poster File 
>> 
>>
>> Marty
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: front deraileur dilemma

[David Person]

I have a 44/28 setup on my Hillborne with a Shimano 105 (FD-5700) front 
derailleur.  I can't set it at the recommended height (1-3mm clearance 
above large chainring) due to the rear of the cage hitting the chainstay. 
 It shifts fine without dropping the chain off the large chainring.  In 
fact, I watched a Park Tool video on proper set up of a front derailleur 
and they state that if the gap between the ft derailleur and large 
chainring is more than recommended it can cause the chain to be dropped 
outboard.  Interesting, when I set up my Disc Trucker with a 42/28 and CX70 
front derailleur, I was able to set the hight as recommended and it caused 
problems with the chan being dropped outboard.  When I raised the 
derailleur to create a larger gap to the chainring, it shift perfectly.


On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 9:39:27 AM UTC-8 Bill Schairer wrote:

> Steven,
>
> I am using a Silver crank in conjunction with a Mountain Tamer (
> https://abundantadventures.com/mt_triple.html), which can be used with 
> any crank without modification with a 74bcd that requires chainring 
> spacers.  I have used this set-up on two different tours (about 400 miles 
> on GDMBR, 2800 miles riding to Alaska) without any issues at all, which I 
> mention as evidence of real world practicality/reliability.  I don't know, 
> availability may be an issue?
>
> For kicks, I did experiment briefly with the Mountain Tamer in quad mode.  
> It did work but I abandoned that set-up as too fiddly (as I recall, I had 
> to modify a Silver bar-end shifter and the cage of a Suntour Cyclone 
> derailleur to just barely be able to shift all 4 rings) and it was 
> confusing. Now, as I write this, having a 26t between the 34 and 19 on the 
> last tour almost makes me think the quad might have been worth it?  The 
> 34/19 shift always worked both ways but I didn't really like the jump. Then 
> again, I really did need that 19/36 combo, not just once or twice.  Around 
> town, as a quad it was total overkill.
>
> I'm one who loves playing with my gearing and hates experimenting with 
> handlebars.
>
> Bill S 
> San Diego
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:18:23 AM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> Bill what crank are you using that allows a 19 T and who makes the 19 T.  
>> Thanks, Steve 
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 9:58 AM Bill Schairer  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure I understand the "so any older derailers won't work" 
>>> comment.  My 2014 Atlantis with a Suntour Vx (from the 70's?) front 
>>> derailleur shifts a 42/34/19 flawlessly.  I do use a chain catcher to 
>>> prevent dropping the chain going to the 19.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:01:43 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Two teeth smaller shouldn't require a repositioning of the mech you 
 were using. Did you have a problem with it? 

 On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:50:52 PM UTC-8 chrisd wrote:

> Decided to switch to a 42 big ring from a 44 on a Ritchey Logic triple 
> CS (44/34/26) on my Rambouillet and tried a Skeleton Key FD but can't 
> shift 
> to the granny. My old shimano FD tail barely cleared the chainstay with 
> the 
> 44 so any older derailers won't work. Riv says the Skeleton works on 
> triples but it's probably something to do with geo on the current 
> models.Need a short cage FD. Thought of a mountain FD.  My brifters are 
> old 
> Campy so don't have to worry about indexing. Any suggestions?


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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[David Person]

Can't think of a better way to drift off prior to surgery than sharing Riv 
stories with my nurse.


On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8 Ken Mattina wrote:

> As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.
>
> No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has delayed 
> it.
>
> Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
>
>> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
>> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
>> almost time.
>> Richard
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> Where did my energy go?
> Where did my go go?
> Where did the pleasure go?
> Where did my hair go?
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[RBW] FS: 61 cm Toyo A Homer Hilsen

[David Carroll]

$2450. I am willing to have REI ship it at buyers expense. I will keep my
saddle.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OeefpS48u-wgLaOtDpuYc4HewVltFt1T

I recently purchased a early model, Toyo-built A Homer Hilsen from the
previous owner in Los Angeles.  My goal was to see if I would prefer the
Homer compared to my Romulus enough to justify the expense. I have invested
a few hundred dollars in new Dura Ace bar end shifters, a new XT cassette,
new 35 mm Gravelking slicks, and longer cables and cable housing to be able
to raise and lower the bars so I can find my desired height.

It is a very nice bike, but I realize once I put on larger tires I will not
sufficient standover for my preference, and I can already go up to 38 mm on
my Romulus.

I think the frameset is in very good condition, perhaps excellent. There a
few minor paint chips on a chain stay, and some chipping on the pointed
part of the seat tube / top tube lug pointing towards the saddle. I believe
this is a great opportunity for someone who wants a Toyo Homer in a 61 cm
to get one in terrific shape. It fits very much like my previous 61 cm
Atlantis. It actually handles in a very similar manner and that makes it
difficult to sell, but I want to get a fast drop bar mountain bike and a
slightly smaller 650b rando bike more than I want to have an additional
700c country bike.

If you want to purchase it without pedals, I would sell it for $2400.

I have a 77 cm saddle height set up as pictured. I would suggest this as a
minimum, and if you are a little taller than me you will probably be able
to run 40+ mm tires with zero issues. Please message me directly if you
have serious interest in this bike.

Regarding the rest of the parts -
Nitto Noodle
Technomic stem, 9 cm (I can swap for another length if you prefer, I have a
5, 8 and a 11 cm.
Dura Ace bar end shifters, new
Kickstand
Nitto seatpost
Velocity Dyad rims, XT hubs
XT Rapid Rise rear derailer
IRD Alpina front derailer

If you want to buy without the wheelset, I will sell it for $2100.

David Carroll
Carlsbad, CA

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[RBW] Re: Zero-rise Albatross Bar?

[David Person]

It this. The only issue I have with it is they fold each piece in half for 
packaging and shipping and the foam never returns to normal where it was 
folded.  Thankfully, I don't use one continuous piece on each side of the 
bar, but cut smaller sections that avoid the fold.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PMCV6MR?psc=1=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:53:15 AM UTC-7 Kieran J wrote:

> That grip job looks oh-so-comfy :-P
>
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:18:32 AM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What I like about mounting the Choco bars reversed is it puts my wrists 
>> in a more neutral position when gripped where I ride most often, over or 
>> just ahead of the brake levers.
>>
>> [image: DSCF0067 copy.jpeg][image: DSCF0068 copy.jpeg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kieran, I switched from Albatross to Choco.  Love the Choco bars, much 
>>> more room for your hands and you can reverse them so they go slightly down 
>>> vs. up.  It is a very mild rise.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 2:04:02 PM UTC-4 Kieran J wrote:
>>>
 Honestly, I think the Choco bars are the closest thing out there. Not 
 much else comes close.

 KJ


 On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 5:45:56 AM UTC-7 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
 NY wrote:

> Soma Three Speed bar #2 is fantastic, and while not flat, it’s pretty 
> low profile.
> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/moustache-ii-bar
> -Kai
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:45:41 PM UTC-4 Kieran J wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a handlebar that's very much like the Alba bars but 
>> flat/no rise. Essentially an Alba-size porteur. 
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions? The Choco bars are close but not quite 
>> flat. 
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: 53cm Atlantis

[David]

Hello Riv Bunch -

Thinning the herd, as they say. Never got much time on this one. Would 
prefer to not ship, but willing to work something out.

Built by Garret at Crust Bikes
2019 (fairly certain) Atlantis frame
53cm
650b
Albatross bars, cork grips, 9cm Nitto stem
Brooks Cambium saddle
Paul Touring Cantis w/ matching Love Levers and Moon Units
Bomb proof, Quality Wheels (Cliffhanger rims) w/ Shimano hubs
27.5x2.25 Schwalbe Thunder Burts
New Albion 2x crank, 170 arms
MKS XC-III pedals
Campy Veloce Front Derailleur and Microsoft R10 Rear
S-Ride 11-36t 10 speed cassette
*No front rack/basket

*$3,000*

Please private msg me to discuss - thanks!

David
Sacramento, CA



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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

[David Person]

Eric Marth posted a really nice video of the SR mixte he rebuilt for his 
partner.  Converted the original 27" wheelset to 700c. Came out 
beautifully.  A good reminder of the utility of older bikes, if they were 
well cared for.

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/bBIzsD73S3M


On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 5:48:17 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Those were the early Bettys. The later Bettys came in different sizes. 
> Mine is a 60:
> [image: RIV.JPG]
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 6:07:05 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> Here's the orignal geo for the Foy. Rivendell never posted any 
>> stack/reach info for the Betty. If your wife likes the Betty, stick with 
>> that.  I can see why as the paint job is awesome. There's nothing worse 
>> than asking for cookies and someone offers you saltines. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 10:31:22 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> The World Sport used 1020 stays.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 10:27:06 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 Matt

 Have you considered a 1986 to 1990 Schwinn World Sport or 1986/87 
 Traveler Step Thrus or a 1984 to 1987 Schwinn LeTour Step Thru??  The Step 
 thru looks like a Betty but without the extra set of stays behind the 
 TT/ST 
 lug, scan of 1985 Schwinn catalog of a World Sport step thru

 Schwinn catalogs, 1981 - 1990 (266 of 456) (waterfordbikes.com) 
 

 Both use 4130 double Butted TT/DT (lugged) and a 1020 tubular fork & 
 have 27" alloy rims.   The LeTours used 4130 stays.  Craiglist is a good 
 source with prices in the $125 to $250 range.   Common size frame size is 
 19" C-T (48cm) with some 21" frames.   A 19" should fit her 5'4".   
 Schwinn 
 gave 26# for the LeTour and 27# for the World Sport.   Panaracer still has 
 the Pasela in a 27" tire.

 She may appreciate the lower cost.

 The World model is a 1020 LUGGED frame and weighs about 28# which is 
 not bad and have 27" alloy rims in 1985 and after.   There tend to be more 
 World's vs World Sport/Traveler simply because they cost less

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 3:00:06 PM UTC-4 mmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I've been looking for a step-through for my wife. She specifically 
> likes a Betty Foy, but really anything "pretty" would work. She's not 
> really in to changing gears a lot, and this would also be for commuting 
> and 
> trail rides <10 miles. Does this crew have any ideas/bikes?
>
> Also, it's tough to find sizing on the Betty Foy bikes. Does anyone 
> have old material or could chime in with their size? I've searched and 
> searched, but been coming up empty.
>
> She's 5'4" with a 77 PBH.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt in STL
>


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[RBW] Re: Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[David Person]

Nice build (and video), Eric.

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 8:11:26 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Paul! I do enjoy having a bit of organization going on, it works 
> in my favor. I am getting to the point where I need to think about some 
> further infrastructure and potentially building out some more wall space 
> for shelving and storage. 
>
> Your Nishiki sounds fun. I'm glad I didn't run into any sizing problems 
> with this project, there were enough problems of other kinds to contend 
> with. 
>
> Mel does enjoy the bike, it's a nice change from the Trek Pure 3-speed she 
> had before which was just fine but a little hefty, a little difficult to 
> push up hills and maneuver in general. 
>
> Jim — I appreciate it! Thanks for watchin' 
>
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:21:18 AM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> That was such a great, calming video, fantastic build, beautiful bike. 
>> Thanks Eric. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 8:10:00 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Last fall my partner inherited an old bike. It's an SR frame that her 
>>> dad purchased for her mom brand new in San Diego in 1987. It was 
>>> over-geared, set up with narrow tires on 27" wheels and needed a few more 
>>> changes to make it more comfortable and practical. I set out for nice wide 
>>> gearing, bars with more sweep back and maxing out the clearance for plump 
>>> 38mm tires. 
>>>
>>> The build video is up here , detailing 
>>> all of the changes along the way. 
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> [image: SR1.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: SR5.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: SR7.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

[David Pulsipher]

Albatross for everything. Have done four day tours with them, and short 
rides. Everything in between. Super super comfortable.

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 10:23:36 AM UTC-6 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> In the past I have ridden mostly with drop bars and still do. I have done 
> some touring with Jones loop bars, and like them very much. This spring I 
> built up my first Riv, an Appaloosa, and chose Billie bars. I have come to 
> believe these bars are the most comfortable of any bar I have tried. I have 
> ridden up to about 60 miles, usually mixed terrain, and have no soreness in 
> hands, shoulders or neck. I think that the flex in these bars with a quill 
> stem is one of the factors. I tried bullmoose bars and liked them for 
> off-road riding, but much stiffer and overall less comfortable for me.
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:58:24 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have been waiting what feels like forever for those Billie bars to come 
>> back in stock Eric! I like the Better sco quite a bit, but the forward 
>> position isn’t great for me. Still very comfortable overall though. Just 
>> can’t wait to try the Billie! I have the Albatross on my Clem H and they 
>> are great, slightly more width and room to move should make them even 
>> better. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:21:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am happy to report that the 55 wide Bosco has proved itself for me. I 
>>> routinely go 40’ish miles of mixed surface & as far as 60. I have felt as 
>>> fresh at the end of these rides as at the start. I have no doubt that it 
>>> (Bosco) is but one component of the Clem recipe; geometry, long & high 
>>> stem, plush tires.., it seems a perfect blend.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle 
>>> (which I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
>>> Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
>>> Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but 
>>> with a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
>>> Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)
>>>
>>> I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, around 
>>> 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:
>>>
 Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best 
 for rides longer than say, 15 miles?

 I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a bit, 
 what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?

 Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run 
 bike errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting for 
 most of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a proven 
 winner for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides further 
 afield and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem is 
 I 
 only have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to go 
 on longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come into 
 play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. I 
 don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a 
 Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.

 Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other 
 factors. Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars emerge 
 as favorites for longer riding?

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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[David Person]

It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were sold 
out in mere hours. 

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they did 
> during the pandemic.
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so maybe 
>> supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given 
>>> up trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the 
>>> water, heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of 
>>> the 2020 Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in 
>>> minutes. Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>>
>>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen to 
>>> know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability will 
>>> have evened out by now. 
>>>
>>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>>
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Tire shipping advice

[David Person]

Plus 1 on the Pirateship.com recommendation.  Used to ship via USPS.com but 
Pirateship.com gives the best price between USPS and UPS.  Also, you can 
ship via 1st Class mail if the package is light enough. USPS.com only 
allowed Priority, so you can save a lot on light stuff.

On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:31:02 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Also check out www.pirateship.com, free to make an account and can save a 
> lot in shipping costs!
>
> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 7:38:17 AM UTC-7 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the wonderful advice, this will help tremendously. 
>> Nick, when you say wrapped, you really meant it, that tyre looks like it's 
>> for a Brompton it's so small! Now I'm confident that I can ship these 
>> without damage or an exorbitant shipping fee.
>> Ezri
>>
>> On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 1:24:08 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo7RJqaUdhg. I used to fold wire 
>>> bead touring tyres like this and then wrap them in duct tape to keep them 
>>> folded and protected while being carried on tours until needed. I've 
>>> carried such tyres around for years before needing to use them, and always 
>>> found them in pristine condition when I finally unwrapped them for use. 
>>> Here's one being carried on the outside of my panniers during a 
>>> transcontinental tour across Australia in 1982:
>>> [image: Scan-110420-0053.jpg]
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Converting a T1000 into an Atlantis

[David Person]

Beautiful green paint.  Been having fun looking through your Flickr 
albums.  Bikes and Leica's, whats not to love.

On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 2:38:20 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Mackenzy, 
>
> I have this same soft spot, especially for the old T1000 and 700. This one 
> is amazing! 
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 2:24:46 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> Wow! I have a soft spot for old Cannondales. Generally they seem to be 
>> "sported out" aesthetically which isn't my thing. I am amazed at how slick 
>> and classy it looks built up rivendell-esque. 
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:48:48 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I could never keep the paint on any of my bikes that immaculate! My new 
>>> Roadini already has a paint chipped off the headtube (dunno how!). My 
>>> Co-Motion Periscope Trident @ 12,000 miles has so many patched paint areas 
>>> that there's no spot that hasn't been patched up. It's all beausage but I'm 
>>> guessing if I break my Ti frame my replacement for it better be Stainless 
>>> steel or something else that doesn't need paint! Good thing I live in 
>>> California where it doesn't rain (and when it does I ride Ti or just live 
>>> with the idea that the triplet will rust sooner or later and it's not a 
>>> "forever bike" anyway --- the kids will eventually grow out of it!)
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:39:47 AM UTC-7 Will M wrote:
>>>
 Hi all.  

 S.  If you listen carefully you can hear my 1990s Cannondale 
 T1000 whisper, "I wish I were an Atlantis!"  How many parts you can spot 
 from the Riv catalog in this recent pic? 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52412267528

 Answers:

- Cockpit: Tallux stem, Albastache bars, Dia-Compe long-pull levers*
- Silver2 friction bar-end shifter (right)#
- Downtube friction shifter (left)#
- Jack Brown tires
- SKS 45mm fenders
- Brooks Flyer Special saddle
- Sugino XD2 24/36/46 triple crank (and IRD bottom bracket)
- Nitto 2-strut top rack + Wald 139 basket**
- Nitto Big Back Rack ("large"; 40-pound capacity!)
- Busch & Müller Secula battery light 
- King water bottle cages

 Only 5 original parts remain: generic linear-pull brakes, 105 headset, 
 XT & 105 derailleurs, RSX hubs,## and the CAAD2 Touring frameset.  Got 
 Motolites and a rapid rise in my sights, when the time comes.   And any 
 old 
 61cm Atlantis if the aluminum frame cracks. 

 Backstory: In the 1990s with time for extended self-supported tours, 
 but no dough for the dream bike (Atlantis), I scraped up enough for this 
 US-made Cannondale T1000.  Parts that wore out over the subsequent quarter 
 century were always replaced from the Riv catalog, slowly turning the 
 T1000 
 into an Atlantis.  

 I know this transformation is not unique, but wanted to share. 

 Cheers, 
 Will M 
 NYC

 * Many have written about Albastache bars working/not working for them 
 , but 
 after decades on drop bars, the Albastache for me is a revelation.  A 
 rebirth.  A dramatic improvement.  Thanks to Paul G on this list for 
 shifter cable routing advice. 

 # It was originally spec'ed with 105 STI 9-speed brifters.  Both 
 brifters failed catastrophically after only 10 years.

 ** Back in the aughts, Grant's writing in the* Reader* inspired 
 ditching the low-riders for the two-strut rack and 139 basket. 
  Self-supported touring with 20-30 pounds in low-rider-mounted panniers is 
 amazing, stable, motorcycle-like.  Putting 18 lbs (the max weight) up in 
 the basket is... well... I'll go back to low-riders for the next adventure 
 tour.  

 ## The original Mavic T221 touring rims self-destructed 
 
  
 with cracking between eyelets. Only hubs live on. 




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Re: [RBW] How to bond plastic knob to metal screw?

[David Person]

Epoxy


On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:41:41 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I spoke too soon. Overnight, the loctite cured and now I can turn it (with 
> a ton of effort, but it works!). Now I can build up my wheel.
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:46 AM lconley  wrote:
>
>> Have you lubricated the other items along the threaded rod to reduce the 
>> amount of torque required to rotated the rod? Boeshield would be good for 
>> that. Lubricate the shaft (except for the knob/locknut) and the tighten the 
>> locknut real good against the knob. If that doesn't work, the just keep a 
>> wrench handy to turn the locknut against the knob when wanting to rotate 
>> the shaft the opposite way from the knob.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:54:59 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Already tried red loctite. Doesn't work.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 5:34 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 I'd try something like red Loctite first. Easy to find, easy to apply. 

 If that doesn't work you might try looking for a more robust 
 replacement thread-on knob that has a set screw built in. Find our the 
 pitch of your metal thread and check out McMaster-Carr for "threaded hole 
 knobs." 

 On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:24:49 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I do have the locknut, but it doesn't help. It keeps the knob from 
> turning clockwise once it's snug against it, but counter-clockwise (the 
> unscrewing action) doesn't work.
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 1:31 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> My first question then is "how was the knob attached to begin with 
>> from the factory ?" 
>> According to the photos, that style of knob was used on the TS-2, 
>> this is yours yes ? (Sorry I don't know your name as it was not included)
>>
>> So, ever inquisitive, whenever it comes to parts, I always refer to 
>> original parts documents. According the stock photos and parts pdf, 
>> *there 
>> should have been a locknut for the knob to begin with*.  
>> https://www.parktool.com/assets/doc/product/TS-2_instructions.pdf
>>
>> You may have a suitable nut on hand as Park likely uses common SAE 
>> threading. If not you could contact Park and maybe they'll send you one 
>> or 
>> just go to the local hardware store. 
>>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 11:02:48 PM UTC-4 Josiah Anderson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, rereading I see now that you're actually trying to get the new 
>>> knob to stay put. What if you used that same locknut idea, just with 
>>> one 
>>> nut pushing against the back of the knob? That would probably hold it 
>>> on 
>>> quite securely.
>>>
>>> Le jeu. 13 oct. 2022 à 21:00, Josiah Anderson  
>>> a écrit :
>>>
 The goal is to remove that threaded rod, right? I would try to find 
 two nuts that fit on there and lock them together, like you would on a 
 hub 
 axle, and just use those to turn it. Alternatively you could wrap it 
 in 
 something soft (bar tape?) and turn it with vise grips or something. I 
 don't think the broken plastic knob necessarily has to be involved in 
 this 
 process, unless I'm missing something, which is very possible.

 Josiah
 Missoula, MT 

 Le jeu. 13 oct. 2022 à 20:53, Piaw Na  a écrit :

> I broke the plastic knob on my truing stand (see attached photo). 
> I have a replacement knob from Park, but am discovering that just 
> threading 
> it on doesn't work --- when I need to turn the shaft 
> counter-clockwise it 
> comes off the shaft instead of turning it. I've already tried red and 
> blue 
> loctite and those don't work on metal/plastic interfaces. Should I 
> try 
> epoxy next?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[David Hallerman]

I entirely agree. I mostly successfully avoid giving those unskilled auto
drivers the finger. However, as I wave in a friendly way, but with my heart
burning, I think how I’m still giving the rotten person my middle finger,
just camouflaged by its four friends.

Dave, who does not trust any driver even in this relatively calm section of
exurbia

On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 1:40 AM Pam Bikes  wrote:

> I never use the one finger salute, I always use the friendly wave and
> smile tactic.  (I don't give anyone the power to ruin my ride.) … [lots of
> good stuff]


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Re: [RBW] Carradice Bagman quick-release brackets and adapters

[David Lipsky]

Hi Jim,

I could use another clamp setup.
Reply to this email with your PayPal address or other details and I’ll send 
payment and physical address.

Thanks much,
David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA


> On Oct 10, 2022, at 3:20 PM, Jim S.  wrote:
> 
> bump. 2 of these are still available. Price drop to $45 each, shipping 
> included.
> 
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 3:29:35 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
> yup, all 3 are available. 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 2:53:35 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> Hi, Jim - any of these still available?  I would take one.
> 
> James
> 
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:30:28 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
> bump. $45 each, shipping included.
> 
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:16:16 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:
> I have three of these for sale. $50 each, shipping included. 
> 
> You get both the bracket, and new adapters and big thick zipties that attach 
> the adapter to your saddle bag so that it fits the quick-release bracket. 
> These work great, if you have a saddle bag that you want to easily switch 
> among bikes, or if you have a saddle bag that you remove when you reach your 
> destination.
> 
> Here's a pretty good product description:
> 
> https://www.perennialcycle.com/bagman-quick-release-clamp.html 
> <https://www.perennialcycle.com/bagman-quick-release-clamp.html>
> 
> Please note: these are not Bagman Expeditions. That is, there is no metal 
> support piece that your saddle bag rests on. I think these are most useful if 
> you have a rear rack that your saddle bag can rest on.
> 
> Here are photos:
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/oBtUWJnL2qvhdj5e7 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front low rider rack for Sam Hillborne

[David Pulsipher]

I don't have a Sam - but I do have two Surly front racks and love their 
ruggedness and function. Perfect for lowrider, and also mounting a basket.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 3:45:12 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:

> I've been super pleased with the Tubus Tara setup on my Sam (converted to 
> cantilevers). I know you want to use the existing bosses for your rack set 
> up; I did too. But in practice, the fork clamps for the Tara are excellent 
> - like everything else they do. They haven't budged in the 7 or so years 
> I've had them installed - and this is an everyday ride.
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-7 Scott wrote:
>
>> Bob:
>>
>> Have you tried the Tubus Grand Expedition front rack? It's not a tiny 
>> rack. I've been running it for dirt touring/bikepacking and am very pleased 
>> with it (as well as the rear counterpart).
>>
>> Good luck in your search.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 04:15:44 PM MDT, BobW  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the input.  Ideally, I'm looking for a rack where the 
>> attachment point align with the standard Riv braze on point at the dropout 
>> and mid-fork.  It appears that the Nitto Mark's MF2 rack that Rive carries 
>> works, but is kind of pricey @ $221 (
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-marks-hub-area-rack-with-hoop-mf2-20236?_pos=6&_sid=f551ef3e9&_ss=r
>> )
>> So looking for less expensive alternatives to this.  Thanks!!
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:36:29 AM UTC-4 brianmark...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not that it's entirely helpful, but when I had a buddy add canti posts to 
>> my Sam for a 650b conversion, I also had him add lowrider bosses for a 
>> Tubus Tara. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:13:45 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here's how I did it:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bQ6G2tBKHaWeErrr8
>>
>> I never really used it, but I don't like racks and prefer large front 
>> handlebar bags.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:55:28 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>>
>> I'm considering taking my Sam on some bike tours so looking into from 
>> lowrider rack for front panniers.  I already have a rear Tubus rack, so 
>> would be wanting to utilize the low riders for additional panniers.  
>> Looking for suggestions for proven solutions that fit the same well.   BTW, 
>> my Sam is a non-canti model - sidepull calipers.
>>
>> Thanks!!
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[RBW] Re: New Fork Paint Options!

[David Person]

Love the red.

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 1:37:21 PM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I vote for keeping the 2-tone. Get some panda pedals (
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pedals-mks-new-2018?variant=32047969697903) 
> and some Oveja Negra wack pack bags (
> https://www.ovejanegrabikepacking.com/collections/wack-pack-color-collection) 
> and just fully embrace the patchwork style.  :) Really glad you were easily 
> able to get a new fork for it though.
>
> Mike 
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:04:16 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> My Appaloosa has a new blue fork! I’m now considering the options:
>>
>>
>>1. Leave the fork as-is so the bike is two-tone
>>2. Repaint the fork to match the existing frame color
>>3. Repaint the fork and the bike: either metallic red to match my old 
>>Schwinn, or a blue-gray gunmetal
>>
>> If you’ve replaced a fork, what did you do? 
>>
>> I thought you might like to see how those options might look:
>>
>> Existing frame and fork:
>>
>> [image: bike_mustard_bluefork_small.jpg]
>>
>> Fork painted to match frame:
>>
>> [image: bike_existing_small.jpg]
>>
>> Schwinn red metallic:
>>
>> [image: bike_red_black_small.jpg]
>>
>> Blue-gray gunmetal:
>>
>> [image: bike_bluegray_honey.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[David Person]

With the Shimano's I find I often shift with the lever between my pinkie 
and ring finger.   Almost effortless and one of those things one does 
without thinking.


On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 3:14:15 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I can't comment on the Shimano comparison but I've used Silver1 and 2 as 
> bar-ends and liked that long blade better. The way you can drop your whole 
> hand and pull up on the ratcheting direction with your two rear fingers 
> (pinkie and the other one) can't be beat for friction shifting. 
>
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 3:07:00 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Adding to Ben's comments.  I've been running Shimano Dura-Ace 9-speed bar 
>> ends on my bikes for awhile, in friction mode.  Recently wanted to see 
>> what, if any, difference Silver2 shifter would be.  So last week I 
>> purchased one Silver2 lever for the rear to try on one bike.  Yes, had to 
>> use my Dremel to shave off the little nub on the Shimano pod, which doesn't 
>> affect the ability to go back to using the Shimano shift lever.  After a 
>> few days of riding with the Silver2 lever the verdict is in and I've 
>> switched back to the Shimano lever.  Smoother operation and more 
>> comfortable ergonomics, in my opinion.
>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:40:38 AM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I love this conversation and have learned alot from it.  I'm not the 
>>> only one to be bothered w/cable routing, etc.  There is no perfect solution 
>>> - long cables, impaired shifting, down tube or stem shifters...  I have bar 
>>> ends (friction) on albatross bars and long cables which sometimes get in 
>>> the way of closing my front
>>>
>>>  bag.  [image: fanny.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:57:10 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Since I didn't REALLY want to mangle the pods, I decided to dremed the 
 square centered washer spacers. A few minutes carefullt carving on each 
 and 
 I got the stopper washers to fit over the indexing alignment bump.

 Here's hoping for the best on my ride this evening. 
 I really live in a charmed world... Amixing shifting on the downtube 
 where I have to lean dow a couple inches vs quick-access bar end with 
 MAYBE 
 a bit of bonus friction from the housing. 

 Cheers!
 Ben

 On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> The half-round function is to locate the indexing function of the 
> indexing shifters correctly. Not strictly necessary, but it makes it 
> impossible to install an indexing shifter incorrectly - idiot proofing. 
> It 
> is easily removed with a file or Dremel to allow silver or Dia-Compe 
> friction shifters to be installed.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:00:01 PM UTC-4 
> bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> More shifter nerd talk!
>>  
>> Attemped to mount the silver shifter onto the shimano pod this 
>> morning and ran into a snag. Many of you probably know this, but if not, 
>> here's the deal.
>>
>> Here's a photo of the Shimano Pod. Thanks Park Tool!
>> https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/barendshifter44.jpg
>>
>> There is a little extra half-circle of metal on the little square 
>> area where one fits a spacer/washer. The shimano spacer fits right over 
>> it. 
>> The standard square-hole washer does not. Riv obviously knows ths=is 
>> because their silver pods do not have this half-circle.
>>
>> The only reason I can fathom why this is there is to make the Shimano 
>> pods not be compatible wiuth other bands of shift levers. They probably 
>> don't want people futzing around. I believe I can dremel that 
>> half-circle 
>> off and fit my washer, and it will also not affect the shimano 
>> performance 
>> in any way if I want to put the Shimano shifters back on. 
>>
>> For now, I will remain a downtube shifter user and see if/when I go 
>> crazy ;)
>>
>> Ben
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am with you Ben! First 20+ mile ride with the Silver thumbie rear. 
>>> Shifting is buttery smooth - love it! It is so responsive & precise 
>>> feeling.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>
>>> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
>>> However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters 
>>> and 
>>> I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
>>> gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, 
>>> and 
>>> tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT 
>>> boss 

Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[David Person]

Adding to Ben's comments.  I've been running Shimano Dura-Ace 9-speed bar 
ends on my bikes for awhile, in friction mode.  Recently wanted to see 
what, if any, difference Silver2 shifter would be.  So last week I 
purchased one Silver2 lever for the rear to try on one bike.  Yes, had to 
use my Dremel to shave off the little nub on the Shimano pod, which doesn't 
affect the ability to go back to using the Shimano shift lever.  After a 
few days of riding with the Silver2 lever the verdict is in and I've 
switched back to the Shimano lever.  Smoother operation and more 
comfortable ergonomics, in my opinion.
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:40:38 AM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I love this conversation and have learned alot from it.  I'm not the only 
> one to be bothered w/cable routing, etc.  There is no perfect solution - 
> long cables, impaired shifting, down tube or stem shifters...  I have bar 
> ends (friction) on albatross bars and long cables which sometimes get in 
> the way of closing my front
>
>  bag.  [image: fanny.jpg]
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:57:10 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Since I didn't REALLY want to mangle the pods, I decided to dremed the 
>> square centered washer spacers. A few minutes carefullt carving on each and 
>> I got the stopper washers to fit over the indexing alignment bump.
>>
>> Here's hoping for the best on my ride this evening. 
>> I really live in a charmed world... Amixing shifting on the downtube 
>> where I have to lean dow a couple inches vs quick-access bar end with MAYBE 
>> a bit of bonus friction from the housing. 
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> The half-round function is to locate the indexing function of the 
>>> indexing shifters correctly. Not strictly necessary, but it makes it 
>>> impossible to install an indexing shifter incorrectly - idiot proofing. It 
>>> is easily removed with a file or Dremel to allow silver or Dia-Compe 
>>> friction shifters to be installed.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:00:01 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 More shifter nerd talk!
  
 Attemped to mount the silver shifter onto the shimano pod this morning 
 and ran into a snag. Many of you probably know this, but if not, here's 
 the 
 deal.

 Here's a photo of the Shimano Pod. Thanks Park Tool!
 https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/barendshifter44.jpg

 There is a little extra half-circle of metal on the little square area 
 where one fits a spacer/washer. The shimano spacer fits right over it. The 
 standard square-hole washer does not. Riv obviously knows ths=is because 
 their silver pods do not have this half-circle.

 The only reason I can fathom why this is there is to make the Shimano 
 pods not be compatible wiuth other bands of shift levers. They probably 
 don't want people futzing around. I believe I can dremel that half-circle 
 off and fit my washer, and it will also not affect the shimano performance 
 in any way if I want to put the Shimano shifters back on. 

 For now, I will remain a downtube shifter user and see if/when I go 
 crazy ;)

 Ben
 On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I am with you Ben! First 20+ mile ride with the Silver thumbie rear. 
> Shifting is buttery smooth - love it! It is so responsive & precise 
> feeling.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 19, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>
> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
>
>
> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
> However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and 
> I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
> gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, 
> and 
> tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT boss 
> an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And 
> the 
> direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 
>
> So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try 
> mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 
>
> Ben
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, 
>> front shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  
>> You 
>> can just leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a 
>> neater appearance
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>>
>>> I have a 

[RBW] Re: Seeking rim input

[David Person]

For rim brake bikes, I prefer rims with machined sidewalls.  Velocity 
Quills are my fav.

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:55:27 AM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Velocity A23 can also be had in 650b.
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:36:20 AM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've got an odd wheelset that's Surly disc brake fixed-gear hubs laced to 
>> Velocity Quills. Had them a year or two now, and like them. Highest optimal 
>> tire width is 47mm according to Velocity, but I'm running 50mm G-Ones and 
>> they've worked well. Probably wouldn't want to go too much bigger but I 
>> don't have any more room so that wasn't a concern for me anyway.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:19:05 AM UTC-5 Brent B wrote:
>>
>>> Crust's Rim Brake Rims are really working out for me on my Atlantis and 
>>> at $105 per rim, they're a pretty good deal. They're very similar to the 
>>> Pacenti Brevets, but with a slightly wider profile and without the 
>>> eyelets. Slightly lighter than Brevets and Velocity Quills. I wouldn't put 
>>> them on a bike that was going to see a lot of rocky trails, but they're 
>>> stout enough for normal road/trail touring. Only available in 32h, but they 
>>> are in stock! 
>>>
>>> -Brent
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 25 August 2022 at 09:39:57 UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 My currently installed 650 B rims:
 Velocity Quill, polished 36 hole on my Riv custom.
 Velocity Cliffhanger, polished 40 hole on my Bombadil.
 Velocity Cliffhanger, polished 48 hole on my Riv Keven's Mixte Cargo 
 bike.
 Alex DM-23, silver 40 hole on my Hubbuhubbuh.
 Alex DM-23, silver 36 hole on my Medium Mountain Mixte.
 Velocity Cliffhanger, black 36 hole on the rear of my Crustendell 
 Clementine Clydesdale Cargo Cycle.
 Velocity Atlas, silver 40 hole on my Rosco Baby.

 I also have some VO Diagonale, polished 36 hole VO touring wheels in 
 the stash, I have had them installed on various bike in the past, they 
 were 
 the 1st wheelset on the Bombadil.

 All are good. The Velocity Quills are the lightest. Many of my Velocity 
 rims were custom ordered due some combination of spoke holes and/or 
 polishing being non-stocked items.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 8:51:15 PM UTC-4 plumber...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hello everyone hope you've all enjoyed a casual ride this weekend!
>
> I'm looking for some input on rims. I recently purchased a Bombadil 
> from a member on here and am planning on having new wheels built up. 
> After 
> enduring a painful wait I have received my rear hub from White Industries 
> front will have a generator. Thankfully they were ahead of the initial 
> estimated wait time. I have a set of 48mm RH knobbies that I plan on 
> running once the wheels are build but might switch it up.  
>
> What 650B rims are you running these days? 
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Vern
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Atlantis 61cm Toyo

[David Pulsipher]

Weird - I wonder if it was optional - I swear based on that link that I can 
see dual fork-tip eyelets, but some without. A mystery!

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:50:55 AM UTC-6 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes, I think that is the original fork. I think the bike on eBay is an 
> early Atlantis -- the early ones did not have mid-fork braze-ons and dual 
> fork-tip eyelets. See photos in the Riv brochure linked here:  
> http://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Atlantis%2001.pdf
>
> (I tried to attach the PDF but Google Groups says it is too big.)   :(  
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Atlantis 61cm Toyo

[David Pulsipher]

Is that the original fork? It doesn't have mid-fork brazeons - or eyelets 
on the top of the axle like most? Odd.

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-6 Will M wrote:

> Vince,
>
> Did you see?  Posted Monday.  And located in Minneapolis. 
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/115481524046
>
> (Not mine.)
>
> Will
> NYC
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:29:11 PM UTC-4 vince.a...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone, 
>>
>> Probably a long shot but I am hoping to track down a Toyo built 61cm 
>> Atlantis. Ideally F/F/H but would be open to a full build. I am located in 
>> Minnesota. Let me know if you have any leads please!
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Vince 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: odds & ends parts

[David B]

Here is what's left:

Nitto 32F Front Rack - lightly used, will include mounting bolts (this one 
- https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-mini-front-rack-32f-20020) - $110

Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers - some marks on levers, work as intended 
though - levers only, no cables/housing (these ones - 
https://www.rivbike.com/products/shimano-tiagra-road-brake-levers-15091) - 
$25
 
SKS Fender Lot - gotta take them all - includes a NEW 65mm set for 26” 
wheels (B65 version w/ mudflaps), P45 version without flaps, P50 that I 
chopped the front and rear (at mixte lower bridge) to get larger tire 
clearance - all are silver - includes stays and hardware for attaching 
stays to fenders - I’ll check for bridge mounts but might now have those - 
$20 

Black Stock Saddle - came on complete Rivendells at some point, version 
with the ‘handle’ to mount bags, lightly used great condition - $15

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 4:33:13 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:

> whoops! typo on the crank arms. $150 - and I'll cover shipping on those 
> since I'm taking up more list bandwidth.
> Thanks,
> David
>
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 3:40:09 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> David
>>
>> That's either one helluva price drop on those Riv Silver cranks. OR 
>> it's a typo.
>>
>> You were asking $230 for arms with rings.  Now it's arms only for $15?  
>>  You're gonna crash the market!!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:34:27 PM UTC-7 David B wrote:
>>
>>> A single bump for this thread, some lowered prices too - some things 
>>> have sold. Added a couple things too.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 4:26:35 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cleaning out the garage! Did a switcheroo on some parts for my Clem and 
>>>> it’s time to move on the things I’m not using. 
>>>> Shipping is not included in the below prices. PayPal (friends/family) 
>>>> or Venmo for payment please. I’ve not been active recently if my name 
>>>> seems 
>>>> unfamiliar but if you search the list you’ll see I’ve been a longtime 
>>>> member. 
>>>> Photos available. 
>>>> Shipping is from 60171. Local pickup also an option - I’m in River 
>>>> Grove, IL. 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Interested in trading for Rene Herse Oracle Ridge tires (knobby 700 x 
>>>> 48mm).
>>>>
>>>> What I have…
>>>>
>>>
>>> Widefoot LiterCage - polished stainless steel - $20
>>>
>>> Velo Orange Narrow-Wide Chainring - 110bcd, 42t, polished aluminum - $40 
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nitto 32F Front Rack - lightly used, will include mounting bolts (this 
>>>> one - https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-mini-front-rack-32f-20020) 
>>>> - $110
>>>>
>>>> Riv Silver Crank Arms - now ARMS only -  178mm - crank arms were 
>>>> mounted and test ridden a few miles - $15
>>>>
>>>> Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers - some marks on levers, work as 
>>>> intended though - levers only, no cables/housing (these ones - 
>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/shimano-tiagra-road-brake-levers-15091) 
>>>> - $25
>>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>> SKS Fender Lot - gotta take them all - includes 65mm set for 26” 
>>>> wheels, P45 version without flaps, P50 that I chopped the front and rear 
>>>> (at mixte lower bridge) to get larger tire clearance - all are silver - 
>>>> includes stays and hardware for attaching stays to fenders - I’ll check 
>>>> for 
>>>> bridge mounts but might now have those - $20 
>>>>
>>>
>>> Black Stock Saddle - came on complete Rivendells at some point, version 
>>> with the ‘handle’ to mount bags, lightly used great condition - $15
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: odds & ends parts

[David B]

whoops! typo on the crank arms. $150 - and I'll cover shipping on those 
since I'm taking up more list bandwidth.
Thanks,
David

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 3:40:09 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> David
>
> That's either one helluva price drop on those Riv Silver cranks. OR 
> it's a typo.
>
> You were asking $230 for arms with rings.  Now it's arms only for $15?  
>  You're gonna crash the market!!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:34:27 PM UTC-7 David B wrote:
>
>> A single bump for this thread, some lowered prices too - some things have 
>> sold. Added a couple things too.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 4:26:35 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:
>>
>>> Cleaning out the garage! Did a switcheroo on some parts for my Clem and 
>>> it’s time to move on the things I’m not using. 
>>> Shipping is not included in the below prices. PayPal (friends/family) or 
>>> Venmo for payment please. I’ve not been active recently if my name seems 
>>> unfamiliar but if you search the list you’ll see I’ve been a longtime 
>>> member. 
>>> Photos available. 
>>> Shipping is from 60171. Local pickup also an option - I’m in River 
>>> Grove, IL. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> David
>>>
>>> Interested in trading for Rene Herse Oracle Ridge tires (knobby 700 x 
>>> 48mm).
>>>
>>> What I have…
>>>
>>
>> Widefoot LiterCage - polished stainless steel - $20
>>
>> Velo Orange Narrow-Wide Chainring - 110bcd, 42t, polished aluminum - $40 
>>
>>>
>>> Nitto 32F Front Rack - lightly used, will include mounting bolts (this 
>>> one - https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-mini-front-rack-32f-20020) 
>>> - $110
>>>
>>> Riv Silver Crank Arms - now ARMS only -  178mm - crank arms were mounted 
>>> and test ridden a few miles - $15
>>>
>>> Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers - some marks on levers, work as 
>>> intended though - levers only, no cables/housing (these ones - 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/shimano-tiagra-road-brake-levers-15091) 
>>> - $25
>>>
>>  
>>
>>> SKS Fender Lot - gotta take them all - includes 65mm set for 26” wheels, 
>>> P45 version without flaps, P50 that I chopped the front and rear (at mixte 
>>> lower bridge) to get larger tire clearance - all are silver - includes 
>>> stays and hardware for attaching stays to fenders - I’ll check for bridge 
>>> mounts but might now have those - $20 
>>>
>>
>> Black Stock Saddle - came on complete Rivendells at some point, version 
>> with the ‘handle’ to mount bags, lightly used great condition - $15
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: odds & ends parts

[David B]

A single bump for this thread, some lowered prices too - some things have 
sold. Added a couple things too.

On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 4:26:35 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:

> Cleaning out the garage! Did a switcheroo on some parts for my Clem and 
> it’s time to move on the things I’m not using. 
> Shipping is not included in the below prices. PayPal (friends/family) or 
> Venmo for payment please. I’ve not been active recently if my name seems 
> unfamiliar but if you search the list you’ll see I’ve been a longtime 
> member. 
> Photos available. 
> Shipping is from 60171. Local pickup also an option - I’m in River Grove, 
> IL. 
>
> Thanks!
> David
>
> Interested in trading for Rene Herse Oracle Ridge tires (knobby 700 x 
> 48mm).
>
> What I have…
>

Widefoot LiterCage - polished stainless steel - $20

Velo Orange Narrow-Wide Chainring - 110bcd, 42t, polished aluminum - $40 

>
> Nitto 32F Front Rack - lightly used, will include mounting bolts (this one 
> - https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-mini-front-rack-32f-20020) - $110
>
> Riv Silver Crank Arms - now ARMS only -  178mm - crank arms were mounted 
> and test ridden a few miles - $15
>
> Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers - some marks on levers, work as intended 
> though - levers only, no cables/housing (these ones - 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/shimano-tiagra-road-brake-levers-15091) 
> - $25
>
 

> SKS Fender Lot - gotta take them all - includes 65mm set for 26” wheels, 
> P45 version without flaps, P50 that I chopped the front and rear (at mixte 
> lower bridge) to get larger tire clearance - all are silver - includes 
> stays and hardware for attaching stays to fenders - I’ll check for bridge 
> mounts but might now have those - $20 
>

Black Stock Saddle - came on complete Rivendells at some point, version 
with the ‘handle’ to mount bags, lightly used great condition - $15

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Re: [RBW] Bike rack

[David Person]

Hollywood Sports Rider SE works will for me.  Bike with and without 
fenders.  But all my bikes have a normal top tube.  A step thru requires 
their Bike Frame Adapter Bar to create a fake top tube.

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:37:48 AM UTC-7 Colville wrote:

> I highly agree, I love the options to fit many different wheelbases and 
> sizes and types, fenders too!
>
> They also have a simple classic look, nothing fancy, just work well.  If 
> you get the big 4 bike one like I have, i recommend the floor dolly for 
> that sucker to store it, its a bit heavy.  
>
> You can go to their website, get the model numbers and what not, amazon 
> has them mostly all in stock. 
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:24:21 PM UTC-4 peec...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I agree.  Hollywood racks are quite good and reasonably priced.  Tim 
>> Petersen
>>
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-5 Colville wrote:
>>
>>> Hollywood Racks make excellent racks that fit all types of bicycles, 
>>> vintage to modern to everything in between.
>>>
>>> https://hollywoodracks.com/
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:42:30 AM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Siris is good if you have fenders.
 Only weighs 25lb

 On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 7:38 AM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> Depending on your vehicle
> Siris. Freedom 2 . 
> It's a hitch rack.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 7:30 AM katherine Evanskbe  
> wrote:
>
>> Looking for recommendations to haul my Cheviot? 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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[RBW] Re: FS: odds & ends parts

[David B]

Forgot the RH tire price. $110 plus shipping for pair. 

On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 4:26:35 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:

> Cleaning out the garage! Did a switcheroo on some parts for my Clem and 
> it’s time to move on the things I’m not using. 
> Shipping is not included in the below prices. PayPal (friends/family) or 
> Venmo for payment please. I’ve not been active recently if my name seems 
> unfamiliar but if you search the list you’ll see I’ve been a longtime 
> member. 
> Photos available. 
> Shipping is from 60171. Local pickup also an option - I’m in River Grove, 
> IL. 
>
> Thanks!
> David
>
> Interested in trading for Rene Herse Oracle Ridge tires (knobby 700 x 
> 48mm).
>
> What I have…
>
> (1.) Nitto 32F Front Rack - lightly used, will include mounting bolts 
> (this one - 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-mini-front-rack-32f-20020) - $120
>
> (2) Riv Silver Crankset - 42/28/chainguard version, 178mm - crank arms 
> were mounted and test ridden ~5 miles with different chainrings, chainrings 
> are new/unused (this one - 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/crank-silver-double-42-28-with-guard) - 
> $230
>
> (3) Nitto Technomic Deluxe Stem - 70mm reach, 26.0mm clamp this is the 
> 190mm tall version of the Tallux, some marks on the top from flipping bike 
> upside down - $35
>
> (4) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers - some marks on levers, work as 
> intended though - levers only, no cables/housing (these ones - 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/shimano-tiagra-road-brake-levers-15091) 
> - $30
>
> (5) Velo Orange Rando Drop Bars - 50cm, 26.0, mounted in a stem and with 
> brake levers but new, never used - I intended to swap these occasionally on 
> my Clem but ended up sticking with the Wavie bar full time - $40
>
> (6) Schwalbe Thunder Burt Tires - 29 x 2.1 - liteskin version from several 
> years back - no flat protection so really smooth - minimal wear but dried 
> mud residue on them - $50
>
> (7) Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Tires - 700 x 55mm knobby tires, standard 
> version - light use but minimal tread wear - these are wonderful, only 
> selling as I’m going to size down to the Oracle Ridge 
>
> (8) SKS Fender Lot - gotta take them all - includes 65mm set for 26” 
> wheels, P45 version without flaps, P50 that I chopped the front and rear 
> (at mixte lower bridge) to get larger tire clearance - all are silver - 
> includes stays and hardware for attaching stays to fenders - I’ll check for 
> bridge mounts but might now have those - $20 
>
> (9) Shimano Deore XT Rear Derailleur - RD-M750, silver, some scratches on 
> body and dirty but works as intended - $20
>
> (10) Black Stock Saddle - came on complete Rivendells at some point, 
> version with the ‘handle’ to mount bags, lightly used great condition - $20
>

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[RBW] FS: odds & ends parts

[David B]

Cleaning out the garage! Did a switcheroo on some parts for my Clem and 
it’s time to move on the things I’m not using. 
Shipping is not included in the below prices. PayPal (friends/family) or 
Venmo for payment please. I’ve not been active recently if my name seems 
unfamiliar but if you search the list you’ll see I’ve been a longtime 
member. 
Photos available. 
Shipping is from 60171. Local pickup also an option - I’m in River Grove, 
IL. 

Thanks!
David

Interested in trading for Rene Herse Oracle Ridge tires (knobby 700 x 48mm).

What I have…

(1.) Nitto 32F Front Rack - lightly used, will include mounting bolts (this 
one - https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-mini-front-rack-32f-20020) - 
$120

(2) Riv Silver Crankset - 42/28/chainguard version, 178mm - crank arms were 
mounted and test ridden ~5 miles with different chainrings, chainrings are 
new/unused (this one 
- https://www.rivbike.com/products/crank-silver-double-42-28-with-guard) - 
$230

(3) Nitto Technomic Deluxe Stem - 70mm reach, 26.0mm clamp this is the 
190mm tall version of the Tallux, some marks on the top from flipping bike 
upside down - $35

(4) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers - some marks on levers, work as 
intended though - levers only, no cables/housing (these ones 
- https://www.rivbike.com/products/shimano-tiagra-road-brake-levers-15091) 
- $30

(5) Velo Orange Rando Drop Bars - 50cm, 26.0, mounted in a stem and with 
brake levers but new, never used - I intended to swap these occasionally on 
my Clem but ended up sticking with the Wavie bar full time - $40

(6) Schwalbe Thunder Burt Tires - 29 x 2.1 - liteskin version from several 
years back - no flat protection so really smooth - minimal wear but dried 
mud residue on them - $50

(7) Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Tires - 700 x 55mm knobby tires, standard 
version - light use but minimal tread wear - these are wonderful, only 
selling as I’m going to size down to the Oracle Ridge 

(8) SKS Fender Lot - gotta take them all - includes 65mm set for 26” 
wheels, P45 version without flaps, P50 that I chopped the front and rear 
(at mixte lower bridge) to get larger tire clearance - all are silver - 
includes stays and hardware for attaching stays to fenders - I’ll check for 
bridge mounts but might now have those - $20 

(9) Shimano Deore XT Rear Derailleur - RD-M750, silver, some scratches on 
body and dirty but works as intended - $20

(10) Black Stock Saddle - came on complete Rivendells at some point, 
version with the ‘handle’ to mount bags, lightly used great condition - $20

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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[David Person]

Just means one more frame will be available for someone who truly wants one 
and will appreciate it.

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Now if I start getting a bunch of spam emails from Helm Watches, I'll make 
> sure to find the Helm Watches Google Group and bash the company as 
> sanctimonious and greedy.  
>
> Bill "customer number five thousand nine hundred and ninety five" Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 
>>
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it 
>> costs me nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  
>>
>>
>> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether 
>> #5995 corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...
>>
>> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are available 
>> to pre-order right now...  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. 
>>> They cannot keep up with demand. 
>>> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They 
>>> even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
>>> successfully purchase a watch. 
>>> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a few 
>>> minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old days of 
>>> calling into a radio station for tickets. 
>>> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale 
>>> never went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone what 
>>> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t 
>>> get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were not 
>>> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better 
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name 
>>> to the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when 
>>> its your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 
>>> 48-hr window to make the purchase.
>>>
>>> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support 
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down 
> to 2-3 left though. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm 
>> going to leave it for you to buy though
>>
>> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>>>
>>> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
>>> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>>>
>>> I want no part of this.
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the 
>>> page you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this 
>>> thread has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
 Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
 I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. 
 I was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet 
 until 
 this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
 Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot 
 order enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another 
 shipment. No financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
 I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked 
 for money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. 
 I’ve 
 bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
 visit many times. 
 But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Platypus Mods

[David Person]

Though not identical, a SimWorks Obento rack is similar.

On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:59:16 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:

> Who makes the front rack?
> Jon
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 3:52 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
>
>> Last Saturday was rainy around here. I spent most of the day making some 
>> changes on my Platy.
>>  Swapped out the wheels, Schmidt front, White ind. rear, Mavic A719 rims. 
>> New tires, Soma Vitesse 700x42's. Added Paul cross levers. I like to hold 
>> the bars in the center going downhill and feel a lot safer with brake 
>> levers under my hands. Lots of deer in the State park where I ride and I've 
>> almost had a couple collisions on downhills.
>> I installed lights. Eldelux 2 front, B tail light and fenders. V.O 63mm 
>> fluted.
>> Took me most of the day but it turned out pretty good. Photos attached.
>> Took her out for a ride on Sunday. Picked up a dozen ears of Maryland 
>> sweet corm. The more I ride this bike, the more I like it.
>> Before and after shots of the bars. Added Ergon grips too. Moved the bell 
>> to the stem.
>> I like to hold the bars forward of the shifters sometimes.
>> Richard
>> [image: IMG_3396.JPG][image: IMG_3391.JPG][image: IMG_3394.JPG][image: 
>> IMG_3395.JPG][image: IMG_3397.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[David Person]

I have 559s (with salmon Yokozuna pads) on my Hillborne.  When I built up a 
second bike for wetter conditions I went with a Surly Disc Trucker with 
Yokozuna Ultimo hybrid disc brakes.  I have to say that the difference in 
braking feel and performance, even in dry conditions, is quite noticeable.  
I wasn't sure about disc brakes, but I'm a convert.  I do notice that rims 
with machined sidewalls (like Velocity Quill or Dyad rims) do improve the 
performance of the 559s vs non-machined like Velo Orange Voyager rims.  I'm 
using the same brake lever on both bikes, what Riv used to sell as the 
Tektro Mtn Lever (FL540).

On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:25:04 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:23:48 PM UTC-5 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> I've noticed that it seems like many of the people who like the 559s ride 
>> in relatively dry places and many of us who regularly deal with wet and 
>> freezing conditions find them inadequate. That's just my hypothesis on the 
>> wide variety of opinions on these brakes; I know not everyone fits this 
>> pattern. 
>>
>
> Well, sample n=1, I did many a winter commute in Wisconsin with them and 
> never had a problem.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Handlebars, Racks, Assorted Parts...

[David B]

The Crust Shaka bars have sold. Everything else is available. 
David

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 10:18:54 AM UTC-5 David B wrote:

> Did a re-working of my bikes recently and have a few extra things 
> available.
> Prices do not include shipping - I am in the Chicago area (just west of 
> the city) if you'd like to pick up. Photos available. Send a message if 
> you're interested in anything.
> For payment - PayPal or Venmo work.
> Thanks!
> David
>
> 1. Crust x Nitto Shaka Drop Handlebar - silver, 26.0mm, 54cm width, 
> lightly used, normal light wear from mounting brake levers/wrapping with 
> tape - $90
>
> 2. Velo Orange Rando Bar Set Up - 50cm bar with Nitto Technomic Deluxe 
> Stem (70mm, 190mm height), and Shimano Tiagra Road Levers - bar is 
> essentially new, stem has some scratches on the top, marks on lower quill 
> from installation, otherwise in nice condition - $125
>
> 3. Nitto 32-F Front Rack - this one (
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-mini-front-rack-32f-20020) - 
> lightly used, nice condition - $125
>
> 4. Velo Orange Narrow-Wide Chainring - 110, 42t, silver - new, came on a 
> new crankset, so mounted but never used - $50
>
> 5. Riv Silver Chainring Set - 42/28/Chainguard - these came on a new 
> Silver crankset that I just needed the crank arms for (these cranks: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/crank-silver-double-42-28-with-guard) - 
> set includes chainrings (42 and 28), the outer chain guard, chainring bolts 
> for the 110 and 74 chainrings, and spacers for the inner ring - $80
>
> 6. Soma Lucas Front Rack - version without the mid-fork struts, mounts to 
> fork crown and dropout eyelets - silver, used this on a few bikes over the 
> years but in perfectly functional shape and nice cosmetic condition - $20
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[David Hallerman]

Maybe kick-ass long reach caliper brakes are inherently unlikely because
the needed length alone - no matter what great brake pads are installed -
makes the brake arms less forceful than, say, medium reach brakes (like on
my Ram).

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 7:50 AM Daniel MacPherson 
wrote:

> I agree with the sentiment that road bikes look better with calipers on
> them. Though I find the long-reach caliper brakes (Tektro R559) to be
> rather ugly looking. Road bikes with disc brakes or v-brakes still look odd
> to me. I assume they must be gravel or cyclocross bikes. Maybe Rivendell
> should develop some kick-ass long reach caliper brakes.
>
>
> Daniel M
>
> Tallahassee Fl
>
> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 10:31:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Part of the Riv association with long-reach calipers (my opinion) is
>> Grant had them made back in the days when road bikes were closely
>> associated with calipers and he wanted more room for big tires. We don't
>> think anything of it now but at the time if your bike had canti posts it
>> was a tourer or mtb, you couldn't sell it to folks looking for a road
>> frame.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:24:33 PM UTC-7 A. D. M. wrote:
>>
>>> I assume the folks at Rivendell find them adequate. I’ve used the 559s
>>> (with kook stop pads) on a fixed gear with a front brake only in the
>>> mountains and found it worked fine. I’ve actually done this on multiple
>>> 650b fixed conversions. I’ve even used DC750s in this setup.
>>>
>>> I’ve also used the Mafac Raids and thought they were fine (but finicky
>>> to set up sans squealing).
>>>
>>> I like v brakes the most for ease of setup and stopping power but many
>>> people find them “grabby.” I have yet to find a brake I find inadequate
>>> (with kool stop pads).
>>>
>>> I think brake performance expectations vary quite a bit.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2022, at 18:52, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I didn't realize those brakes would not work. They were marked as long
>>> reach. I can't remember what I used them on before but it must have been
>>> something for mid-reach brakes.
>>>
>>> IMO I am just baffled they keep making bikes for those brakes when there
>>> are no great options with great stopping power. Especially when there are
>>> so many nice V, mini-V and canti brakes out there.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 8:28:16 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 Yes, the AHH in question uses long reach calipers, not mid reach like
 the VO.

 My experience with long reach calipers has been universally bad
 (Tektro, DC centerpulls). They're adequate in the dry, but with wet rims,
 there is no stopping power at all.

 I like a lot about the AHH, but I wouldn't get it due to the brakes.

 Eric
 Plain City, OH
 where I'm not really satisfied with the mid reach Tektros on my current
 Trek,either

 On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 8:21 PM  wrote:

> The issue with the VO is they are only midreach (47-57). Many Riv
> bikes require longer reach.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
> On Jul 9, 2022, at 17:55, Forrest  wrote:
>
> Johnny, I had those brakes on a bike once. Very good stopping power;
> they seemed a little stouter than other sidepulls.
>
> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:43:41 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Forgot the link.
>>
>>
>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/brakes/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes
>>
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 7:43:25 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> If I had a bike that needed long sidepulls these are the ones I
>>> would have. I have used them before and I don't think there is a long 
>>> reach
>>> that is as strong.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:58:27 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 8:37:19 AM UTC-5 Pierre wrote:

> Not super happy with the original Silver calipers raw stopping
> power (admittedly quite spoiled by excellent hydro discs on other 
> bikes).
>

 I had mixed results with Silver/Tektro long-reach dual-pivot
 brakes. On my Bleriot, with some dual-compound pads, they were 
 brilliant.
 On other bikes I had less brilliant experiences. I suspect it had 
 something
 to do with the levers I was using, but I never did a full, controlled
 experiment. The levers on my Bleriot were older Aero Gran Compe. I 
 also can
 suggest that low-compression cable housing made a difference for me.

 That said, the Yokozuna hybrid disc brakes on my newest bike (which
 replaced the Bleriot) are a very different feel. I can't definitely say
 they have more ultimate power, but it takes a lot less hand power to 
 get to
 max.

 I have the Dia Compe 610-N calipers 

[RBW] Re: BB spindle length question

[David Person]

FWIW, when the BB on my Hillborne needed replacement, I swapped out the 
Tange 107mm BB with a Shimano UN300 107mm BB and the inner chainring made 
contact with the chainstay.  I though, no problem, I'll install a 110mm.  
However, the additional 3mm spindle length was all on the non-drive side.  
I had to go with a 113mm.  Something to be aware of.  I had assumed that 
when going to a longer spindle, the extra length would be added to each end 
of the spindle equally.


BB-UN300  
  
*68x113*
  
Spindle Length 
114mm 
Body Width 
62.9mm 
Drive Side Taper Length 
19.7mm 
Left side Taper Length 
31.4mm 
  
 
   
*68x110 * 
  
Spindle Length 
111.5mm 
Body Width 
63.0mm 
Drive Side Taper Length 
17.1mm 
Left side Taper Length 
31.4mm 
   
   
  
*68x107*  
  
Spindle Length 
108.1mm 
Body Width 
63.0mm 
Drive Side Taper Length 
17.1mm 
Left side Taper Length 
28.0mm 

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 5:42:56 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Unfortunately, the arithmetic does not always add up. 
>
> 22.5 + 20.5 + 68 = 111, not 110. This means that the Q is 4mm less with 
> the 107, not 3; this makes sense as the JL difference (22.5 - 18.4) is also 
> 4mm.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 8:14:58 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> I agree with Bill & George.  The chart George provided, shows a 107 gives 
>> the same front chain line and C/S clearances as a 110 since the JR 
>> dimension is the same for the 107 and the 110.   The 107 gives a 3mm lower 
>> Q.I believe George's chart is for IRD BBs.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 5:12:43 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Agree with Bill.  I took a look at my Ram with a two-chainring crank and 
>>> that's what it has.  But attached is a chart that you might find handy in 
>>> making the decision.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> [image: image.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 1:45:30 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I would expect a 107 would be the best choice.  I'm pretty sure I had a 
 107 on both of my recently parted out Silver-cranked bikes.  My Atlantis 
 had a 38/24, and my wife's Yves Gomez had a triple.  

 I just built up a Quickbeam with a 38/35 on the big and middle ring 
 positions and I'm running a 103mm BB.  

 On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 10:46:55 AM UTC-7 Forrest wrote:

> If I want to put an RBW Silver double crank (42/28) on a Rambouillet 
> (with an Ultegra front derailer), do I need a 110 spindle bottom bracket? 
> Thanks.
>
>

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