[RBW] Re: Real width of Schwalbe Big Ben tires and the effect with fenders.

[Jonathan K.]

The tires ride nice, but I've been wondering if they are making the bike 
feel a little more sluggish than it could be. I switched to them very 
shortly after getting the bike, and I didn't really notice much of a 
difference compared to the stock Kendas. I've got over 3000 miles on them 
now. No flats, which is good, but I've been thinking about trying something 
a little more sporty like the G-One series or maybe even the Rene Herse 
Antelope Hills. 



On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 5:29:36 PM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>
> Thank you, everyone! With this information,  I feel comfortable ordering 
> the Big Bens and expecting them to fit.  Jonathan--how do you like the 
> tires on your Appaloosa? 

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[RBW] Re: Real width of Schwalbe Big Ben tires and the effect with fenders.

[Jonathan K.]

I have an Appaloosa and made that same tire swap on mine. Mine is 700c, not 
650b, but I'm not sure that makes a difference in terms of width/clearance. 
I installed the widest SKS fenders Riv sells (B65 I think?) over the stock 
Kendas. When I swapped to the 700x50 (2.0) Big Bens, I didn't need to mess 
with the fenders at all. I have lots of clearance. The Big Bens measured 
quite a bit undersize (on the stock Alex rims that came on the Riv-complete 
Appaloosa).

Jonathan

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 7:52:35 PM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>
> Last week, I rode Leah's (Bicycle Belle Ding Ding) Clem L, which was a 
> lovely ride--limo like, to quote a member here.  She told me she had 
> changed the Kenda tires for Schwalbe Big Ben tires and it improved the 
> already great ride.
>
> I have a 2016 Joe Appaloosa with the the stock Kenda tires on it.  The 
> width is marked on the tire:  1.75".  I'm thinking of changing my tires to 
> the same Big Bens as Leah has.  
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/tires/products/schwalbe-big-ben-wire-raceguard-performance-line-hs439-700c-x-50-50-622-28x2-00-10129?variant=12239848210543
>  
> , which are on Riv's site as this:  650B x 48 (50-584, 27.5x2.00) RaceGuard 
> Performance line 10138.
>
> Does anyone know the actual width?  I'm OK with changing tires, but would 
> this mean I'd need to get my fenders re-aligned? The fenders look pretty 
> big to me, so I don't think I'd need wider ones if the tire is wider (I 
> hope it's not).   Luckily, I live in a city with lots of bike shops (let's 
> hope their businesses survive the Covid-19 shutdown) and a mechanic who 
> knows Rivs and can do fenders well.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: WTT: Handlebars - My Jones/Noodle/Billie for your Bosco/Albastache

[Jonathan K.]

The Jones and Billie bars are spoken for. I have 2 Albastaches inbound, so 
just looking for some aluminum Boscos now. Anyone want to trade their 
Boscos for my Noodles?

In addition to the Noodles in original post, I also have a Nitto B135 
Randonneur bar and a Ritchey Classic short reach drop bar (silver/31.8) in 
case anyone is interested in either of those. (I understand that neither of 
these are worth as much, so would definitely supplement with some cash.)

Thanks,
Jonathan in Milwaukee

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[RBW] WTT: Handlebars - My Jones/Noodle/Billie for your Bosco/Albastache

[Jonathan K.]

I have a few handlebars that I am not planning to use, and I am in search 
of some other bars for current and future projects, so am hoping to find 
someone who wants to trade.

I have:
 - Jones Loop SG 2.5 (Jones Kraton grips and plugs included) - These are 
the loop bars with rise. Very good condition, some light scratching/fading 
on the grip and clamp areas.
 - Nitto Noodle 48cm - Good condition, but have some scratches on the 
curves from wiggling levers back and forth.
 - Nitto Billie Bar - excellent condition

Pictures: https://photos.app.goo.gl/6fPZaH5YRQgA9bLR9

I'm looking for:
 - Nitto Bosco 52cm Aluminum
 - Nitto Bosco 58cm Aluminum
 - Nitto Albastache

Most of these bars sell between $92-$100 (the Jones bars alone are less, 
but with the grips they sell for $99), so hoping for even trades. My Noodle 
is worth a little less, so I'm happy to pay some cash along with that bar. 
If you want to trade, please reply off list.

Thanks,
Jonathan in Milwaukee

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 52 Clem L or 45 Clem H

[Jonathan K.]

According to one of the last emails from Riv, they are not doing any 
preorders for framesets, only for the completes. So, you should still be 
able to get either color frameset whenever they get them in. 

Jonathan

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 8:23:49 PM UTC-5, Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> I'm not really interested in spending $1650 for a complete because I have 
> a bunch of parts so would prefer not to spend that much for stuff I don't 
> need.  The preorder for frames at Riv is sold out.  There is only completes 
> available AND its only in blue.  Chris offered one AND I contacted him. I 
> found out they only stock them as complete from Riv.  They don't get 
> frames.  The badass one here is used for the same price as a new one 
> because it has a bunch of stuff I don't need like the dyno hub.  So while I 
> would consider a complete one used I don't want to pay top $$ for things I 
> don't need and then would need to resell.  So now you know what's going on 
> here.
>
> On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 9:09:39 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>>
>> There’s a badass one for sale on this list. There is or was a presale 
>> (options all still look available on my browser), and Chris offered you 
>> dibs. I don’t really get what’s going on here. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Blahg No. 21 & Instagram post Sam brake cable thing?

[Jonathan K.]

It appears to be just the cable and hanger "hanging" there after removing 
the rear brake. Maybe some cantilever posts will be added later to match 
the new fork?

Jonathan

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne, Canti posts, 650b

[Jonathan K.]

This file has the geometry for the older Sams. Top of the second page.

Jonathan

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Rivendell Geometry Charts - Sheet1.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

[RBW] Re: Rivendell tandem builds

[Jonathan K.]

Paul, I'm glad you revived this thread. I'm on the preorder list for a 
medium orange Hubbuhubbuh. I also ordered the Silver cranks and the 
Velocity wheels. 

As far as steerer length, why not leave it uncut for now? Just throw some 
spacers on there and cut it later on once you have the bar position dialed 
in.

MG, thanks for the detailed write up and picture. Most builds I've seen 
have some sort of swept back bar. Good to know other bars work well, too. I 
was leaning toward the new Wavie bar for mine. I recently put a set on my 
Surly Big Dummy and really like them on there, so I think I might try them 
on the tandem too. 

I'd like to echo Paul in requesting any build ideas, advice, reviews, 
pictures, etc. The new batch of frames are supposed to be shipping this 
month. Anyone else expecting/planning?

Thanks,
Jonathan

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jonathan K.]

Tried a set of Albatross bars on my Appaloosa, then on my Sam. Wasn't crazy 
about them on either bike, but they sure look nice. 





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[RBW] Re: new bike week

[Jonathan K.]

I have Microshift thumb shifters mounted inboard. The cable exits at a 
downward angle, leaving plenty of room to grab the bars right in front of 
the shifters.


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[RBW] Re: new bike week

[Jonathan K.]

That Appaloosa looks so good! I saw it a few days ago on Utility Bicycle 
Works's Instagram. It looks even better now that it's finished. 

I admit, though, I'm biased. I also have an Appaloosa with Bosco bars. I 
hope you update after you've used them for a while. When I first put them 
on my bike, I almost immediately took them off, they felt so upright and 
bizarre. After a while, though, they became my favorite. I've tried almost 
every bar that Riv sells on my Appaloosa (Choco, Chocomoose, Albatross, 
Billie, Bullmoose), and the Boscos are the ones that are staying. I really 
want to hear how you like them on a longer tour. I ride my Appaloosa a lot, 
but mainly for commuting. I haven't done any really long rides on it. (The 
longest ride on that bike was about 30-40 miles and the Boscos were great.)

How's the fender clearance with those 2.1" tires? I think your pictures 
just convinced me to try some Antelope Hills on my Joe.

Jonathan

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3x9 brifter recommendations? (Sam Hillborne 62cm, Tektro r559, noodles)

[Jonathan K.]

Another option would be asymmetric shifting. Brifter for the rear, bar end 
for the front. He'd have indexed for the cassette, which is where most of 
the shifting happens anyway, and you'd get the trimming and compatibility 
of friction up front.


On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 8:48:38 AM UTC-5, Pancake wrote:
>
> Wow, it's wild how they sorted out getting "Shirmego" to work! 
>
> I'm frustrated that it seems a standard Shimano triple shifter probably 
> won't work with the Sugino XD2 crankset. So the options are:
> (1) get a shimano crankset without the great low range of a the Sugino XD2
> (2) Shirmego that allows the good trim adjustments of Campy and alternate 
> cable routing of the Campy brifters
> (3) Or ... ??? any other suggestions? Any chance the Shimano brifters, 
> like the 105, would just work nicely with the Sugino XD2?
>
> Thanks for the really helpful and thought out suggestions so far everyone!
>
> Abe
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 4:55:25 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>>
>> You need to use the alternate cable routing, clamping the cable on the 
>> opposite side of the pinch bolt to do Campy 10 to Shimano 9
>>
>> Here's a nicely written guide that helped me when I set mine up
>>
>> https://www.cxmagazine.com/shimano-campagnolo-ergopower-compatibility
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 4:30:39 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't you need Campagnolo 11 Ergo to index right with Shimano 9?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/15/19 7:27 PM, Kurt Manley wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd recommend Campy 10 speed shifters set up "Shirmego" style. They will 
>>> work good with noodles since they are shorter and the front shifter has 
>>> very good trim adjustment which is needed when you're trying to run 
>>> chainrings that don't match what Shimano designed into their triple setup. 
>>> I've been running a setup like that for years and it works great. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 10:11:21 AM UTC-7, Pancake wrote: 

 My friend got a Sam Hillborne and wants to swap over to brifters (since 
 he enjoyed them so much on the last bike he rode). What 3x9 brifters would 
 you recommend? 

 Current setup: 
 62cm Sam 
 44cm Noodle handlebars 
 Tektro R559 brakes 
 3x9 gearing (Sugino triple 24/36/46 and Shimano cassette 11–34t) 

 What 3x9 compatible brifters do you recommend? 

 Alternately, should he switch everything to a 2x10 or 2x11 drivetrain 
 and compatible brifters? Personally I only like friction with a triple 
 setup, so switching to 2x indexed seems like a reasonable option. 

 Yes: I already tried convincing him to stick with bar ends, but he’s 
 not budging. 
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Steve Palincsar
>>> Alexandria, Virginia 
>>> USA
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

[Jonathan K.]

I haven't used the pricier cantilevers from Rene Herse or Paul, so I can't 
compare to those, but I did install a new set of CX50s on my Sam. They work 
great. I had been running a set of Avid V brakes, and switched solely 
because I wanted to use different set of levers that worked better with my 
Albastache bars. The CX50s were easy to set up and stop every bit as well 
as the v brakes they replaced. They have a much better feel at the lever, 
though, compared to the v brakes. 

It is my understanding that the only difference between the CX50 and CX70 
are the color and the included pad holder on the CX70. So, you could 
essentially turn the 50 into a 70 by purchasing a pad holder after the 
original pads wear out.

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[RBW] Re: Biggest tire/fender combo on a Joe Appa?

[Jonathan K.]

Doug,

I'm sure someone will chime in with bigger tires than me, but I have a 58cm 
Appaloosa with 700x50c Big Bens under SKS fenders. The tires measure 47mm 
on Alex DM18 rims. Plenty of clearance under the fenders, and I'm guessing 
I could go 55mm. The tightest spot appears to be at the chainstay, but I 
definitely have room to go bigger than my Big Bens. I'm thinking about 
trying a set of Antelope Hills. 

I'm also curious how big people have gone with the Appaloosa. Also, I think 
the new Atlantis has the same tire clearance (the geometry chart says 
they're the same), so maybe Atlantis owner experiences would be helpful too?

Jonathan

On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 6:53:35 PM UTC-5, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
> Howdy folks.
>
> I will probably be getting my hands on a JA in the relatively near 
> future.  I think what I'll probably want to do is put some alloy fenders on 
> it that will work with the largest tire that fits with fenders.  I suppose 
> it might matter that I'm talking about 650B.  What is the biggest 
> tire/fender combo that has adequate clearance?
>
> Thanks, Doug
>

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[RBW] Re: what brake levers are these / wow, Roman's pink Legolas / RBW staff bikes

[Jonathan K.]

They're Shimano Tiagra. Rivendell still sells them.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/braking/products/shimano-tiagra-road-brake-levers-15091


On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 10:05:08 AM UTC-6, Patch T wrote:
>
> Roman has built a beautiful Legolas. Excellent mix of beautiful and 
> good-functioning parts. 
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/romans-staff-bikes
>
> I used to have the same Shimano road brake levers but I sold the bike 
> years ago and I cannot recall the model. 
>
> Didn't Rivendell sell these at one time?
>
> Thanks
>
> Patch 
> BK/NY
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Model/Size Recommendations for PBH 82ish -- In between sizes

[Jonathan K.]

There were Appaloosas that were available as completes. I have a dark green 
one that I bought as a complete from Riv. Pretty standard Rivendell build - 
Silver triple crankset, tektro v-brakes, Sunrace thumb shifters, Deore rear 
derailleur, Choco bars, Alex rims, Deore hubs.

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 9:54:27 PM UTC-6, RDS wrote:
>
> I've narrowed my choices down to a 51 appa & 53 Atlantis.  I've sent some 
> feelers out to some riv dealers to see if there are any 51 appa's still 
> available.  Did the appa's come as frame only or did they have a complete 
> option?  If complete does anyone have what the build kit was & pricng?

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jonathan K.]

Sam as a winter commuter with studded tires.





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[RBW] Re: pics of a BoscoMoose on a Saluki/AHH/similar head angled bike?

[Jonathan K.]

Justin, 

Your bike won't look like that Cheviot because those are different bars 
than the regular Boscomoose. There was an early run of the bars that were 
not built to the correct specs and these were referred to as "bad angle" 
Boscos. I know because I started a thread about it here, and then contacted 
Riv, and Dave relayed the above the story. At that time, they still had 
some of the bad angle bars, and I ordered those because I specifically 
wanted that downward angle on the grip area. I love my bad angle Boscomoose 
bars on my Appaloosa, but if you order some off the site, you'll be getting 
the "regular" ones that have a grip area that runs closer to parallel with 
the ground.

Here's the thread I started a while back because I was curious on why some 
of the bars looked different than the others:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/bad$20angle$20bosco%7Csort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/3fhrkyiTqw4/2GGYCGFJAgAJ

Jonathan 
(who deleted his first post to correct a typo)

On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 2:35:30 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
> Looking for a pic of the BoscoMoose (58cm) on a Saluki/AHH/similarly 
> geometried bike. I have almost talked myself into it for my Saluki to mount 
> my baby seat on. But if it looks like the Cheviot on the product page then 
> that's a No for Me, Dawg.
>
> Thanks ahead of time!
> -J
>

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[RBW] Re: pics of a BoscoMoose on a Saluki/AHH/similar head angled bike?

[Jonathan K.]

Justin, 

You're bike won't look like that Cheviot because those are different bars 
than the regular Boscomoose. There was an early run of the bars that were 
not built to the correct specs and these were referred to as "bad angle" 
Boscos. I know because I started a thread about it here, and then contacted 
Riv, and Dave relayed the above the story. At that time, they still had 
some of the bad angle bars, and I ordered those because I specifically 
wanted that downward angle on the grip area. I love my bad angle Boscomoose 
bars on my Appaloosa, but if you order some off the site, you'll be getting 
the "regular" ones that have a grip area that runs closer to parallel with 
the ground.

Here's the thread I started a while back because I was curious on why some 
of the bars looked different than the others:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/bad$20angle$20bosco%7Csort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/3fhrkyiTqw4/2GGYCGFJAgAJ

Jonathan 

On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 2:35:30 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
> Looking for a pic of the BoscoMoose (58cm) on a Saluki/AHH/similarly 
> geometried bike. I have almost talked myself into it for my Saluki to mount 
> my baby seat on. But if it looks like the Cheviot on the product page then 
> that's a No for Me, Dawg.
>
> Thanks ahead of time!
> -J
>

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[RBW] Re: Self-diagnosed Riv addicts (some) since 1994.

[Jonathan K.]

3 in the house currently - my Appaloosa and Sam and my wife's Clem L. 
1 on order - Hubbuhubbuh

>From the time I came across Rivendell's website 10 or so years ago, I've 
admired the bikes and enjoyed reading Grant's writings but really thought 
that owning a Riv was a pipe dream. Eventually, though, things fell into 
place and I found myself in a position to afford one. So, after years of 
struggling with bike fit, and trying lots of different bikes, I decided to 
buy my first Rivendell - an Appaloosa. I was so amazed by how well it rode 
that I bought a Hillborne a few months later, and then a Clem for my wife, 
and last week I preordered a HHH. Strongly considering a Roadini too...

The bikes are amazing, but the other Rivendell offerings have been just as 
life-changing for me. I can't imagine my Appaloosa without the luxuriously 
comfortable Boscomoose bars. My Sam would be a different bike altogether 
without the Albastache bars. Neither would be nearly as capable commuters 
without the Nitto Racks, Wald baskets, and the Sackville bags. I seriously 
cannot stress enough how much I love my Shopsack, medium Saddlesack, and 
Baggabond. I've tried lots of arrangements for carrying stuff bikes, and 
these are absolutely the best bags for me and my commute, no contest. 

I've always liked riding bikes. I've owned a lot of different types of 
bikes from a lot of different companies. I've never enjoyed riding as much 
as when I am riding one of my Rivendells. What could be a better compliment 
for a bike?


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[RBW] Re: 61.5 Homer on a beautiful December Day

[Jonathan K.]

Beautiful bike! I'd love to hear your impressions of how the Homer compares 
to your Roadini and to the Hillborne you sold a while back. Like Ash, I'm 
also thinking about a third Riv (I have a Joe and a Sam). Was leaning 
toward the Roadini, but every time I see one of these Homers...

Jonathan

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 6:11:58 PM UTC-6, tc wrote:
>
> I'm dumbstruck by the complexity of the blue paint in the new Homer!  It 
> has a depth and almost - almost - an iridescence about it.  You really have 
> to see it in person to appreciate it.  
>
> The light on today's ride highlighted it even more.  It was one of those 
> days when I rode in sunlight for a while, then I entered a more forested 
> part of the trail where it was like I was riding through the faintest, 
> almost completely transparent cloud.  The holly, moss, and tree bark made 
> for great complementary colors:
>
> [image: homer_neuse_21_dec_2018.jpg]
>
> Here are a few more iPhone pics 
> .
>
> This bike is smooth as silk.  I'm running 42 Cazaderos at about 45 lbs (my 
> first pair -- and really impressed with the supple ride and their 
> quietness).  I also realized that the 615 wide Ahearne+Map bar with a 130mm 
> stem on this frame sets the angle of my back at almost exactly the same as 
> when I do squats, which I guess is the reason it felt so dang easy and 
> natural to power up hills seated.  That was kindof an epiphany for me 
> today.  This Homer is slotted right between the 61 Roadini and the 64 
> Atlantis for me.  With the seat and bars almost level, this ain't no slow 
> poke of a bike, by any means.  Like a Blug article Will wrote a while back, 
> upright bars are not 'slow'.  If you feel slow with upright bars, that's 
> you, not the bike :)
>
> Here's hoping you all have some great rides during your holiday break!  If 
> the rain will hold here off for a while, my goal is a ride per day, which 
> is extravagant for me!
>
> Happy Holidays!
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Centerpull/Cantilever brakes and saddle bags

[Jonathan K.]

I recently encountered this exact issue on my Sam Hillborne. I mounted my 
Medium Saddlesack, and it pushes pretty hard against the cable (on Shimano 
CX 50 cantilevers), even with the support of a Nitto R14 rack. I just 
ordered a Nitto Saddlebag Wire Guard from Rivendell yesterday to deal with 
the issue.


On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 11:56:03 AM UTC-6, Paul G wrote:
>
> For those of you whole run centerpulls or cantilevers, do you have 
> problems with the rear brake cable and/or straddle cable wearing into 
> saddle bags that rest agains them?
>
> It seems to me that a loaded Saddle Sack without a rear rack would 
> naturally press against the rear brake cable at or below the area of the 
> rear cable hanger. Does this cause and interference with the braking or 
> long term wear of the bag?
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Jonathan K.]

Very nice bike! I've seen that one on instagram. What is the saddle height 
in the picture? I'm trying to decide between a 57 and 61 for me and my 89cm 
PBH. I'm thinking your saddle height looks right around the 78cm that I 
would need.

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 8:54:20 AM UTC-5, JC wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 8:59:52 PM UTC-5, Jonathan K. wrote:
>
>> Would you recommend one over other bikes to someone who wants a simple 
>> road bike for (relatively) fast long distance riding?
>>
>
> Definitely!  I've been on mine since last fall and use it for just that.  
> The bike seems to disappear beneath me until I look down, really lets me 
> just get into my surroundings.  I was on the fence when choosing colors but 
> so glad I went with blue.  Here's my 57:
>
>
> [image: IMG-6976.JPG]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Jonathan K.]

Thanks to everyone who responded. Lots of beautiful bikes, plenty of 
inspiration. I'm really thinking the Roadini will be my next bike. 

TC: What's the saddle height on your bike?

G.E.: What wheels/tires do you have on the Sam and on the Roadini?

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[RBW] Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Jonathan K.]

I'm trying to convince myself that I do/don't need a Roadini. I have a Sam 
that I bought to be my road bike, but it's been gradually taking on more of 
a beast of burden role. Originally quite minimalist, I am now running racks 
and bags fore and aft for commuting. So, I'd like to get a bike to fill the 
role of lightweight, long distance, weekend rider.

The Roadini has been out for a while now, and there seems to be a fair 
amount of them out in the world. So, for anyone who has been riding their 
Roadini for a while, how do you like it? I'm interested in thoughts, 
impressions, reviews, comparisons to other road bikes, etc. Would you 
recommend one over other bikes to someone who wants a simple road bike for 
(relatively) fast long distance riding? Pictures are encouraged, of course!

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[RBW] Re: Best brake fork crown clearance calipers?

[Jonathan K.]

Mike Varley posted a comparison w/pictures between TRP, Velo Orange, 
Shimano, and Tektro calipers on his blog a while back:

http://blackmtncycles.com/clearance-pt-ii-road-frames/



On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 11:09:54 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Current production and under $100 US dollars.
> Cannot dangle below fork crown, stealing needed cm.
>
> Gotta be sidepulls or centerpulls mounted to fork crown. 700c wheel reach. 
> Silver color.
> Thanks for the info.
>

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[RBW] Re: A Bike Rides in Brooklyn

[Jonathan K.]

That looks like the bike posted here:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-m-oQxuUh80/ny6IPWX0AAAJ

I recognized the flipped Albatross bars.



On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Without question the nicest bike a I saw in two days in Brooklyn was this 
> Clem, securely chained to a bike rack. Anybody on this list? 
>
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Bosco, Noodle, B135, Bullmoose, Moustache, stems, Brooks B17, C15, Sackville Banana Sax

[Jonathan K.]

Bullmoose, Moustache, and 25.4 Technomic sold. 
Noodle and 26.0 Technomic pending.
Updated list below.


Nitto Bosco, 58cm,  aluminum  

Excellent condition with one notable scratch on the sleeve, as shown in the 
picture  
$80

Nitto Randonneur B135, 42cm
Very good condition
$40
https://photos.app.goo.gl/bUoEFuixfvLeSYc67

Nitto Stems. Pictures of all stems together are here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CJs3oPAEYkTPdUub9
Specifics:

Nitto Tallux, 110mm, 25.4
Excellent condition, take off from my Appaloosa
$50

Nitto Technomic Deluxe, 100mm, 26.0
Excellent condition, used only on a couple rides
$50

Nitto Dirt Drop stem, 100mm , 
26.0 
good condition, with some marks on the vertical part from mounting
$40




Brooks B17 standard, black  
Like new. This was mounted for one ride, and then removed. Will come in 
original packaging with adjustment wrench. I did apply the Proofide that 
came with the saddle.  
$85

Brooks Cambium C15,  natural  

Excellent condition  
$80

Brooks Team Pro standard, black  

Some rust on the rivets, and the front/nose seems to be tweaked/bent some. 
I bought this new, and I'm really not sure how it happened. Not a lot of 
miles on this. The bend in the nose/rails is hard to show in the picture. 
Basically the front of the saddle appears to be twisted counterclockwise 
when viewed from the back. Still mounts fine, and feels fine to me when I 
ride it. I'm just switching all my saddles to C17's which seem to work 
better for me.  
$50




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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Bosco, Noodle, B135, Bullmoose, Moustache, stems, Brooks B17, C15, Sackville Banana Sax

[Jonathan K.]

Cromo Bosco, 25.4 Dirt Drop stem, and Banana Sax are sold.

On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 5:08:46 PM UTC-5, Jonathan K. wrote:
>
> I've got the following items for sale that might be of interest to the 
> people here.
> I've been a member of the list for a little less than a year, and this is 
> my first time selling stuff here, but I have bought a few items. I have 
> sold lots of stuff on ebay, though. I ship quickly, usually the same day or 
> the following day after receiving payment.
>
> All prices include shipping to the continental US. Payment via Paypal, 
> please. Goods and services is fine. 
> Please reply off list. Thanks!
>
>
> Nitto Bullmoose, fillet brazed  
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/44TW8uDNaC4xzTLi6>
> like new condition, mounted on my Appaloosa and taken for one ride.  
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/44TW8uDNaC4xzTLi6>
> $150
>
> Nitto Moustache, 25.4  <https://photos.app.goo.gl/bmrB4BPa92fFcZvJA>
> good condition, but the clamp area is pretty scratched up  
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/bmrB4BPa92fFcZvJA>
> $35
>
> Nitto Bosco, 58cm,  <https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZXsKvLLSLZCNbw5KA>aluminum  
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZXsKvLLSLZCNbw5KA>
> Excellent condition with one notable scratch on the sleeve, as shown in 
> the picture  <https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZXsKvLLSLZCNbw5KA>
> $80
>
> Nitto Bosco, 55cm, cromo
> Excellent condition
> $50
> *the only picture I have of these is in the above link, pictured next to 
> the aluminum Boscos
>
> Nitto Noodle, 44cm  <https://photos.app.goo.gl/xjgCirdRveCy75Q18>
> Very good condition, some tape residue, a few light scuffs  
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/xjgCirdRveCy75Q18>
> $45
>
> Nitto Randonneur B135, 42cm
> Very good condition
> $40
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bUoEFuixfvLeSYc67
>
> 6 Nitto Stems. Pictures of all stems together are here:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/CJs3oPAEYkTPdUub9
> Specifics:
>
> Nitto Tallux, 110mm, 25.4
> Excellent condition, take off from my Appaloosa
> $50
>
> Nitto Technomic Deluxe, 100mm, 26.0
> Excellent condition, used only on a couple rides
> $50
>
> (2) Nitto Dirt Drop stems, 100mm  
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/HDPMSTaFcPxqhmiD7>
> one is 25.4, one is 26.0, and the 25.4 is taller, as shown in the picture 
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/HDPMSTaFcPxqhmiD7>
> both are in good condition, with some marks on the vertical part from 
> mounting
> $40 each
>
> Nitto Technomic, 120mm, 25.4  
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/YtdW95yP9v2GSbmM9>
> area below minimum insertion line is really scratched up, some scuffs in 
> other places too <https://photos.app.goo.gl/YtdW95yP9v2GSbmM9>
> $25
>
> Nitto Technomic, 120mm, 26.0  
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/PBJKRJqEnan4UUWn8>
> Good used condition with some scratches and marks  
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/PBJKRJqEnan4UUWn8>
> $30
>
>
>
>
> Brooks B17 standard, black  <https://photos.app.goo.gl/AmY2AuQM96YU869Z6>
> Like new. This was mounted for one ride, and then removed. Will come in 
> original packaging with adjustment wrench. I did apply the Proofide that 
> came with the saddle.  <https://photos.app.goo.gl/AmY2AuQM96YU869Z6>
> $85
>
> Brooks Cambium C15,  <https://photos.app.goo.gl/f4X1yh44z2NhmVtbA>natural  
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/f4X1yh44z2NhmVtbA>
> Excellent condition  <https://photos.app.goo.gl/f4X1yh44z2NhmVtbA>
> $80
>
> Brooks Team Pro standard, black  
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZVbEmh7C9x3gESec9>
> Some rust on the rivets, and the front/nose seems to be tweaked/bent some. 
> I bought this new, and I'm really not sure how it happened. Not a lot of 
> miles on this. The bend in the nose/rails is hard to show in the picture. 
> Basically the front of the saddle appears to be twisted counterclockwise 
> when viewed from the back. Still mounts fine, and feels fine to me when I 
> ride it. I'm just switching all my saddles to C17's which seem to work 
> better for me.  <https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZVbEmh7C9x3gESec9>
> $50
>
>
>
>
> Sackville Banana Sax, blue  <https://photos.app.goo.gl/9V71wDpixNtPSr3Y6>
> Like new, used for one ride.  
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/9V71wDpixNtPSr3Y6>
> $80
>
>
>
> One big album with pictures of everything here:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RmB1jGCqdSMefpUW9
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Bosco, Noodle, B135, Bullmoose, Moustache, stems, Brooks B17, C15, Sackville Banana Sax

[Jonathan K.]

I've got the following items for sale that might be of interest to the 
people here.
I've been a member of the list for a little less than a year, and this is 
my first time selling stuff here, but I have bought a few items. I have 
sold lots of stuff on ebay, though. I ship quickly, usually the same day or 
the following day after receiving payment.

All prices include shipping to the continental US. Payment via Paypal, 
please. Goods and services is fine. 
Please reply off list. Thanks!


Nitto Bullmoose, fillet brazed  

like new condition, mounted on my Appaloosa and taken for one ride.  

$150

Nitto Moustache, 25.4  
good condition, but the clamp area is pretty scratched up  

$35

Nitto Bosco, 58cm,  aluminum  

Excellent condition with one notable scratch on the sleeve, as shown in the 
picture  
$80

Nitto Bosco, 55cm, cromo
Excellent condition
$50
*the only picture I have of these is in the above link, pictured next to 
the aluminum Boscos

Nitto Noodle, 44cm  
Very good condition, some tape residue, a few light scuffs  

$45

Nitto Randonneur B135, 42cm
Very good condition
$40
https://photos.app.goo.gl/bUoEFuixfvLeSYc67

6 Nitto Stems. Pictures of all stems together are here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CJs3oPAEYkTPdUub9
Specifics:

Nitto Tallux, 110mm, 25.4
Excellent condition, take off from my Appaloosa
$50

Nitto Technomic Deluxe, 100mm, 26.0
Excellent condition, used only on a couple rides
$50

(2) Nitto Dirt Drop stems, 100mm  

one is 25.4, one is 26.0, and the 25.4 is taller, as shown in the picture 

both are in good condition, with some marks on the vertical part from 
mounting
$40 each

Nitto Technomic, 120mm, 25.4  
area below minimum insertion line is really scratched up, some scuffs in 
other places too 
$25

Nitto Technomic, 120mm, 26.0  
Good used condition with some scratches and marks  

$30




Brooks B17 standard, black  
Like new. This was mounted for one ride, and then removed. Will come in 
original packaging with adjustment wrench. I did apply the Proofide that 
came with the saddle.  
$85

Brooks Cambium C15,  natural  

Excellent condition  
$80

Brooks Team Pro standard, black  

Some rust on the rivets, and the front/nose seems to be tweaked/bent some. 
I bought this new, and I'm really not sure how it happened. Not a lot of 
miles on this. The bend in the nose/rails is hard to show in the picture. 
Basically the front of the saddle appears to be twisted counterclockwise 
when viewed from the back. Still mounts fine, and feels fine to me when I 
ride it. I'm just switching all my saddles to C17's which seem to work 
better for me.  
$50




Sackville Banana Sax, blue  
Like new, used for one ride.  
$80



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[RBW] Re: Notes on a new Sam Hillborne, Albastache handlebars, and on being "fast enough"

[Jonathan K.]

Chris, have you posted pictures of your Roadini anywhere? I don't recall 
seeing any Roadini builds with Albastaches. I would love to see it. (And 
the Pinarello for that matter!)

On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 10:56:02 AM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> My story unfolded much like yours. Drop bars are something I don’t intend 
> to return to. I have the Albastache bars on my Roadini and love them!  I 
> also put them on my 1986 Pinarello Montello and transformed that bike   
> Seems to be a perfect marriage of comfort and good riding position 

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[RBW] Re: Notes on a new Sam Hillborne, Albastache handlebars, and on being "fast enough"

[Jonathan K.]

Thanks for the kind words everyone. I always enjoy reading about people's 
different setups and the how/why they went with the bike/bars/whatever that 
they did, so that's why I posted mine.

Austin: I saw the pictures of your blue  Sam in a thread a while back, and 
it was definitely one of the bikes I used for inspiration when I was trying 
to get an idea of how my bike would look with the new bars. There aren't a 
lot of people using them (at least of the people who post lots of pictures 
of their bikes.) I also spent an unhealthy amount of time staring at 
Surlyprof's orange Albastached Sam on Flickr, and of course Deacon 
Patrick's two Albastached rivs, as well as countless others. Albastache 
bars seem to be fairly polarizing. Based on what I've read, people seem to 
love them or hate them. Not a lot of in between.

Ron MC: Your bikes are awesome, and certainly a testament to the 
usefullness of non-drops for nice bikes as well.

John: I don't have toe overlap on the Sam. On the Appaloosa, I do 
occasionally, but not enough to be bothered about. I guess it's because of 
the large tires (Schwalbe Big Ben 700x50c) and fenders. As far as deciding, 
Sam is more of the recreational ride that I use when I have free time and 
want to just take off. Joe is my everyday commuter, and load hauler. They 
are both such amazing bikes.

Tim: I look forward to seeing pictures of the new build. Your comment here, 
and on my instagram picture about your ego allowing you to give up on drops 
really speaks to me. I love going out for long solo rides, but I have been 
fighting discomfort on drops on different road bikes for years. Right now, 
I only have one bike with drops, and I honestly don't see myself riding it 
much now that I have the Sam. I should probably sell it, but it's like 
there is some psychological hold on me saying "you need a drop bar bike." 
We've been conditioned over the years to believe that "real" or "good" 
bikes have drop bars. I'm becoming convinced that while tons of people are 
happy and comfortable with drop bars, I am not one of those people. There 
was a great quote from Grant in the Sam Hillborne catalog from a few years 
ago: "We're not against drops, just the idea that good bikes warrant them 
on principle." Like always, Grant was/is right.

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[RBW] Notes on a new Sam Hillborne, Albastache handlebars, and on being "fast enough"

[Jonathan K.]

I just became a Rivendell owner last fall when I bought a new Appaloosa. I 
was so impressed with that bike, and loved riding it so much, that I wanted 
to replicate that super comfortable, smooth ride on my long-distance road 
bike. I wanted to try a more road-ish Riv, and when the pre-sale for the 
new canti-Sams opened up, I couldn't resist. I had intended Sam to be a 
straight up replacement for my current drop bar road bike that I really do 
like, but that I had struggled to get comfortable on. Sam had other ideas, 
though...


I first built it with 44cm Noodles that I had on hand, but even with the 
Riv-recommended 8cm stem (that I worried would be too short), I felt way 
too stretched out and uncomfortable. The first few rides I took on this 
setup were not fun. I thought the bike handled weird - the front end felt 
sort of squirrely. To be honest, I was pretty disappointed. After a quick 
mock up with some old Nitto moustache bars I had, I decided to order a set 
of Albastache bars from Riv. 

Sam Hillborne with Albastache bars is the most comfortable, fun bike I have 
ever ridden. (Right next to my Appaloosa, of course.) I love the more 
upright position, the sweep, the angles, the width, everything. The curves 
are great to sit and grind out the miles, but the ends offer a very 
comfortable upright position to alternate with as well. I was nervous that 
my enthusiasm would be squashed once the rides got longer, but I've done 
enough long rides in the last few weeks to be confident that these are the 
bars for this bike. I have no desire to go back to drops. These bars 
changed the bike, and my whole outlook on bikes in general. I realize that 
I don't have to have drop bars to ride long distances, or to be a "serious" 
cyclist (whatever that means). This is such a big deal to me, because my 
biggest struggle since I started riding has been fit/comfort on longer 
rides. 

This bike was originally intended to be just another road bike. I feel like 
what I have is so much more. At first I was worried, because I was not as 
fast on the Sam as my lighter drop bar bike, but who cares? Now, I only 
want to ride the Hillborne. When I ride this bike, I find myself not caring 
how fast I'm going, or about anything except enjoying the ride. When I'm on 
it, I just want to keep going. I can't think of a better compliment for a 
bike. This bike (and these bars) have completed my transformation to 
unracer.

I realize after re-reading the above that it might sound like I am saying 
Sam Hillborne is a slow bike. It is not. The Sam that I built, with heavier 
touring style wheels, and upright-ish bars is definitely not as fast as my 
more traditional stripped down drop bar road bike, but it's a heck of a lot 
more comfortable, useful, and fun. How fast is Sam Hillborne? My answer 
after putting a few hundred miles on it: Fast enough.













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[RBW] Re: rear racks and long chainstays

[Jonathan K.]

I have the medium Big Back Rack on my Appaloosa (58) and it works great for 
supporting a medium Saddlesack. 





On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 6:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> Finishing up a build for my wife -- a 46cm joe appaloosa --  and I'm 
> finding the long chain stays leave quite a bit of a gap between the saddle 
> and the front of the rack.  My concern is that the back rack won't 
> adequately stabilize and support her saddlebag if only part of the bag 
> makes contact with the rack.  To remedy this, I've switched from the big 
> back rack that Rivendell sells to the r-15 - which is easier to move 
> forward.  But ideally I'd like her to be able to have both a saddle bag and 
> panniers on a back rack. I'm wondering if anyone out there has suggestions 
> regarding a back rack that reduces the gap between the saddle and the rack 
> on a long chainstay bike and that can support heavy panniers.  I think 
> there was a brief moment in time that riv was selling a 'long boy' big back 
> rack that addressed just this issue but it seems to have disappeared.
>
> Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>
> Sky
>
> I've attached a photo of the bike in current configuration - still needs a 
> front rack and dyno light.
>

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