Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[LBleriot]

Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but this 
Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the roof.
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> wow
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
 Heron Touring 
 55cm
 $7000
 Walled Lake, Michigan
 Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, and 
 full Campagnolo...

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw

 On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Roadini
> 57cm
> 2000
> Emeryville, CA
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

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I guess the answer depends on your vision/intended use of the rando bike.   
I’ve set up my Bleriot as a traditional fendered dyno lit 650B rando rig, 
but the AHH has front rack eyelets that make use of a front bag easier to 
set up. I also use my MIT Atlantis into a sort of heavy brevet monster.  

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:48:47 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I’ve never owned one, but I’ve always thought the Rambouillet would do 
> well as a Rando bike. 
>
> –Eric N
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2023, at 5:55 PM, Dick Combs  wrote:
>
> Looking for thoughts/opinions on best Riv model for randonneuring. Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[LBleriot]

I own a root beer Ram, but it has S couplers and was repainted by Bilenky 
by its prior owner.  

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:16:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes, I was trying to guess at what kind of custom Curt Goodrich had built. 
> You're probably right that it's a sport tourer; I've always liked his 'own 
> brand' work and would love to score one someday. 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:56:45 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Joe
>>
>> I'm not super clear on what you are asking me to guess about regarding 
>> the Goodrich.  I don't know anything about Goodrich models, or if there is 
>> such a thing as a Goodrich model.  If they are all custom, then my guess is 
>> that the bike pictured with Goodrich decals is in fact a frame made by Curt 
>> Goodrich.  The lugs look "early Rivish", and I know Curt Goodrich made a 
>> lot of the early custom Rivendells.  Maybe it's an early Riv custom, Curt 
>> made it, and then the buyer wanted Curt to repaint it, with Goodrich 
>> decals.  
>>
>> It doesn't look like a cyclocross race bike to me, like a Legolas, for 
>> example.  It looks more like a sport-touring rig, like maybe it's trying to 
>> be a lighter version of an early 2000s 700c Atlantis.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, 
 since the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.

 The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
 explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
 and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
 long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
 suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and 
 that 
 head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
 Almost definitely not a 58.  

 Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
 probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess

 The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
 cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was 
 actually 
 the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, 
 when 
 the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
 ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  

 Those are lovely lovely bikes.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
> 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one 
> likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.



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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift and Acorn bags, Brooks c-17, Rapid rise

[LBleriot]

I’m interested in the tool roll, but the photo link isn’t working for me. 
 Can you re-post link?
On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 6:39:09 PM UTC-4 Drw wrote:

> Selling a few things
>
> *Swift Jr. Ranger panniers- *about a year old, but brand new. never 
> mounted. nice sort of pine greenish color -300$ plus shipping
>
> *Acorn saddlebag- *banana style. has 2 zipped pockets on the side, which 
> is nice. structurally solid, but definitely shows some wear- 60$ plus 
> shipping
>
> *Acorn Toolroll-* a little more than a tool roll. has 3 zipped 
> compartments. can fit on saddlebag loops or over a bar or basket etc. very 
> good condition- 50$ plus shipping
>
> *Deore LX rear derailer Rapid Rise-* long cage. very good condition. 50$ 
> shipped
>
> *Brooks C-17 carved all weather- * this nearly new. has a small scuff on 
> the side. 100$ shipped
>
> Photos HERE 
> There are also other items in that folder that are for sale. I've already 
> listed them, so I wont add them to this thread, but feel free to reach out 
> if you're interested in anything in that folder
>
> Thanks,
> Drew. LA
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[RBW] Re: Repaints

[LBleriot]

I found some blistering on my protovelo Romulus and after getting quotes 
from Coast and Waterford, I decided to have my local auto body shop respray 
the frame.  It’s a single color with no panel on the head tube and no 
decals.  For $75 I got a beautiful respray that matches the original color 
on the fork perfectly.  It took a day and I avoided the hassle of shipping. 
 Something to consider.  If it was my orange Ram, I might get on the Joe 
Bell list and go through the effort. 

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 3:20:23 PM UTC-4 Buck Flagg wrote:

> Hello, group! Help needed!
>
> I am getting to the point with my RivBike that I will soon be needing a 
> repaint. My fifteen year-old Rambouillet is a four-season commuter with 
> around 55K miles on it, 99% racked up on NYC streets and bike lanes. With 
> all that, not to mention daily chaining to a bike rack, it would be 
> impossible to maintain a frame in pristine condition but now my periodic 
> inspections are starting to turn up evidence of corrosion causing wee 
> blisters in the original paint in a few places.
>
> The Rivendell website page on repaints lists a couple of shops in CA and 
> Waterford.
>
> Anyone here have any wisdom/experience/opinions on this subject they'd 
> care to offer regarding these or any other paint shops? Ideally, I'd love 
> to find someone with mad skilz in the greater NYC area who has experience 
> with the Rivendell product and access to the Rivendell decals.
>
> Very grateful, in advance, for any help!
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[RBW] Re: That 54cm Saluki/Heron in Rhode Island

[LBleriot]

The ad says that the price has been reduced, but I thought the seller 
wanted $2600 for the Heron like a month ago.

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 8:29:17 AM UTC-5 mike goldman wrote:

> It belongs to a friend. To clarify, both bikes can be purchased 
> separately. Each is sold complete and wont be parted out or sold as a 
> frameset only. both in great shape. 
>
>
> https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7268236603.html
>
>
> https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/d/north-smithfield-heron-rivendell/7268236375.html
>
> mike goldman
> rhode island
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[RBW] Re: Tubing between Clem H, Atlantis

[LBleriot]

I have both. I kinda think they’re two sides of the same coin.  I use the 
Clem for tooling around town and on local trails with upright bars and 
Cazadero tires.  I use the Atlantis for longer, chill rides with drop bars 
and RH tires.  Both are amazingly comfortable and fun. I can’t ride upright 
bars for more than hour or so before my wrists aches.  I know I’m missing 
something technical, but they seem like very similar frames/geometry.  
On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 6:19:07 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Anyone have experience between the Clem H and the MIT Atlantis frames in 
> terms of the feel and weight of the tubing, and the differences in how they 
> ride?  I am shorter, at 5'8", and ride a 45cm Clem H that fits pretty well, 
> if a touch small.  I have been daydreaming about the 50cm Atlantis frames 
> with 26" wheels that are in the 'Garage Sale' section of the website (3 
> left!) because everything from my Clem would bolt right up. 
>
> However, I also recognize that it's a lot of money to buy a bike that's 
> basically a fancier version of what I have - the ETT measurement is the 
> same, the rear end is a bit longer and the top tube is a bit higher (better 
> aesthetic fit for me, but the touch points would hardly move at all, so 
> really the same fit). Plus I would probably worry about it more. As such, I 
> always ponder it for a short bit then put it out of my mind. 
>
> I am curious though if the assumption that it would ride similar to the 
> Clem (or at least, not different enough to be able to justify the expense) 
> is fully sound. I think it is, but maybe I'm wrong. I use this bike for 
> commuting, errands, shorter rides with friends, but also occasionally for 
> loading up with more stuff than my Hillborne can reasonably carry (ie multi 
> day camping trips).  I find the Clem to be quite heavy-duty and very stiff, 
> moreso than I'd prefer, but it can do whatever I need it to. 
>
> Thanks!
> Jason in Vancouver BC 
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Re: [RBW] WTB: 55cm or 56cm Heron

[LBleriot]

Mike—I bought your Heron Road a few years back. I’d like to be second in 
line to the OP for your friend’s Heron rando. 

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 7:29:12 PM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:

> My buddy in rhode island has 55cm saluki and heron randonneur for sale
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[RBW] Re: What have you learned during the isolation?

[LBleriot]

Having participated in another online memorial for a friend lost to the 
pandemic, I’ve learned to appreciate every day I get to spend with my 
family.  I work for a healthcare system in the middle of the crisis, and 
I’ve learned from doctors and nurses what brave really means.  I’ve learned 
that riding my bike is both meaningless and means everything right now.

On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 7:20:52 PM UTC-4, aeroperf wrote:
>
>
> It’s the first time I’ve started a thread, but I’d be interested to hear 
> about what you’ve learned that’s new to you.
>
> I live on a 93 mile bike trail that’s now closed.   The bike trail, being 
> rails-to-trails, had no corners (or real hills).  So for five years I’ve 
> been cranking away in relatively straight lines.
>
> Now that I’m riding 4 laps through a small neighborhood, I’m learning how 
> to take corners at speed without pedal strikes.
> My 2015 Sam had no problem.  My 2019 Homer taught me that you had to 
> either open up the corner a little or “outside foot down, inside foot up” 
> coast through it.  They have the same 170mm crank arms, so it is probably 
> both the bottom bracket drop and the smaller wheels - 650 vs 700 - that put 
> me lower.  And 15mph might not be “speed” for others, but it is interesting 
> in tight quarters for me.
>
> So what have you learned?  Riding Zwift is fun?  Riding solo is no fun?  
> Cleaning clothes is easier without chain grease?
>
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[RBW] Re: Swapping Clem H to Atlantis

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I'm lucky enough to own both a Clem H and an MIT Atlantis.  My Clem has 
swept back bars and Cazaderos so that I can ride trails.  My Atlantis has 
drop bars and front rack for long comfy road rides.  I'm sure there are 
lots of differences in geometry details and other nuances that I don't 
understand, but to me the frames are pretty much the same and are 
interchangeable.  I could swap parts back and forth between the frames, and 
probably wouldn't notice a difference.

Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 12:45:26 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:

> Hey Folks,
>
> I've enjoyed my Clem over the past 2 years, but have always had a nagging 
> desire for an Atlantis or Apaloosa, partly for the differing ride 
> characteristics, but also cause lugs and that creamy blue-green :). I 
> finally realized that one of the updates in the 2020 Atlantis was a switch 
> of tire size from 26" to 650b in the 50cm size. Combined with my missing 
> the latest round of Apaloosas (0 for 2!) Inow see an openning to doing a 
> parts switch from my current 52 Clem H to a 50 cm Atlantis and wanted to 
> pull from the collective experience of the group. I have a few questions 
> for folks:
>
>1. Is the Atlantis more of a hillibike or a country bike? I imagine 
>Hilibike thanks to the now 2.4" tire clearance and how most folks have set 
>theirs up.
>   - Bill's Atlantis and another more recent build post come to mind 
>2. For folks who've run a 2" tire on the atlantis, have you noticed 
>any weird pedal strike or standover issues since the bike is designed for 
>larger tires
>3. What are some of the more unique aspects of the Atlantis that you 
>enjoy or despise?
>4. Seatpost size on the 50cm model? Assuming 26.8 but I can't find any 
>documentation
>5. Is the Atlantis easy to maneuver around the train, apartment, 
>stairwell, etc. or is it still a big bike?
>
> Any other thoughts/differences? I am curious to hear the groups overall 
> impressions of the Atlantis, especially for those who have switched between 
> a few of the Rivendell models.
>
> I'm planning to still keep the Atlantis on the hillibike side of the 
> spectrum and hopefully use it to explore the sierra foothills this summer 
> (or next, if California stays on the current trajectory)
>
> Thanks all,
> Collin in Sacramento
>

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[RBW] Re: Drop bar on MIT Atlantis?

[LBleriot]

I'm not sure this true for every rider/circumstance.  I've purchased a 
couple of custom bikes over my 40+ years of riding and purchased them with 
setback seatposts and shortish stems to accommodate my somewhat long legs 
and short arms.  As I've grown older and suffered injuries which impact how 
I sit on my bikes, my fit has changed.  Rather than discard frames and buy 
new ones, I've been able to successfully move from a 20mm offset to a zero 
offset seapost without discomfort or injury.  In fact, just the opposite 
occurred.  I own and Clem and MIT Atlantis and purchased both using 
guidance from Riv and experience to achieve a comfortable fit on both.  My 
drop bar Atlantis is set up with a zero offset post and a 1 cm shorter 
stem.  My swept back bar Clem has a 20mm set back post and 1cm longer 
stem.  My contact points are nearly identical on the two and I ride both in 
comfort for hours.  I have tried short extension stems (less than 4cm) and 
found that they did strange things to steering and my position on the 
bike.  Just my $.02.

On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 4:33:39 PM UTC-5, James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:
>
> A few things about drop bars on Riv's, shortening reach to bars, and short 
> stems.  
>
>1. Putting a zero offset post on your bike is not a valid way to 
>shorten reach.  It's like cutting the toe box out of your shoes because 
>they're too short.  The answer isn't shoe destruction, it's to get shoes 
>that fit.  Zero offset posts make zero sense unless your bike has a really 
>slack seat angle to begin with.  The following is from a forthcoming 
>article on Tanglefoot Cycles' website, which I wrote.  "
>
> In the years between 1890 and 1905, bike geometry made a shift.  
>Bikes in the early 1890’s had really steep seat angles and really short 
>chainstays, geometry not far from today’s ‘trail bikes’.  In the years 
> that 
>followed, bike geometry grew up. It settled on angles that reflected the 
>use of the bike for longer and rougher trips.  Bike makers needed to 
> modify 
>angles until folks could ride long, hard rides, over really bad terrain. 
>Slowly, then allofasudden, angles looked normal.  The Wright Brothers Van 
>Cleve, a really nice looking all arounder, has a seat angle that we’d 
>recognize today as a normal, riding position. Tanglefoot recognizes the 
>importance of this riding position.  People have not physically changed 
>much in 100 years. The riding position that worked for long, hard rides is 
>still the riding position we need today. Steep seat angles were discarded 
>through 20 years of experimentation a long time ago.  We don’t need to 
>relearn the lesson. It’s already been learned.  
>
>By 1900, cycling had transitioned from a rich person’s hobby to a 
>serious means of transportation.  The first roads in the US to be paved 
>were not paved because of cars, but because cyclists demanded better 
>surfaces to ride on. Bike racing became incredibly popular, including long 
>endurance track races and long distance road races.  Bike riding clubs 
>started up all over the country. Riders routinely rode long distances in 
>these club rides, riding from town to town, city to city. Bike touring 
>became an affordable way to see the country. All of these factors meant 
>people were spending more time on their bikes.  They needed a riding 
>position that allowed them to travel these increased distances 
> comfortably. 
>Seat angles became slacker and chainstays grew longer because of this. By 
>1910 or so, seat angles had more or less settled on the standard that was 
>used as the paradigm for the next 120 years.  
>
>It’s important to note a few things about this seat tube angle. 
>
> For starters, the effective angle between the center of the usable 
>portion of the saddle rails and the center of the bottom bracket is not 
> the 
>seat tube angle.  Let’s call that angle the effective saddle fore and aft 
>position angle, or just saddle angle for short. The saddle angle is 
> slacker 
>than the seat tube angle and that’s important.  It’s roughly 1.5 
>degrees slacker on most bikes. The human body hasn't changed in all 
>these years.. and the sound fit principals that found this happy medium 
>have not changed either. The relationship of the hip/knee/pedal happens to 
>grow as needed by a taller rider’s femur as the saddle goes up and back on 
>this angled axis, the Mezzo Forte Axis.  The Mezzo Forte Axis is the 
>moderate, but powerful riding position that has proven itself over the 
>course of history.  
>
>The fastest riders on the planet, the riders who race the Tour and the 
>Giro and the Vuelta ride this saddle angle.  If there was a faster angle 
> to 
>ride hard then get up the next day and do it again, they’d use it. Look at 
>the pro’s road 

[RBW] Re: Finally getting an actual Rivendell, and the anticipation is BRUTAL

[LBleriot]

Ha!  I had the same thought as a former Queens resident myself.  Rivs are a 
rare site in NYC.  

On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 12:00:29 PM UTC-5, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
> which forest park are you referring to? queens, ny? 
>
> On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 11:03:58 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>
>> Tomorrow I’m going to be teaching my 8th grade students the blessings and 
>> curses of Jacksonian Democracy, but all I’ll really be thinking about is my 
>> orange Sam Hillborne currently under construction at my LBS.  How are the 
>> wheels coming along?  Have the spokes arrived yet?  How will the light 
>> mount to the front rack?  
>> But the build questions are NOTHING compared to the ride anticipations.
>> Where shall I take it first?  The usual loop around Forest Park?  Commute 
>> to school?  Or will it be somewhere new, just between me and Sam?  
>>
>> [image: 06ED93DE-733D-4195-8FEE-DBAE6147C9D1.jpeg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Drop bar on MIT Atlantis?

[LBleriot]

I set up mine with Nitto B135 drop bars and bar end shifters.  First, 
you'll need to add about 8 links to any chain and you might need a longer 
rear derailleur cable to accommodate the longer chainstays.  Second, I used 
a zero offset seatpost and a shortish stem to close up the extended reach 
created by the long top tube.  Other than sliding my Brooks saddle a bit 
forward on the rails, that's all it took to replicate the position from my 
other bikes.  The hardest part was finding a zero offset seatpost in the 
correct diameter (Thomson or Origin 8).

On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 7:00:13 AM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of parts in need of a 700c frame, so I’ve been pondering my 
> next build. I miss my old Atlantis, though I traded it for my Roadeo, which 
> I love. I’m thinking about getting a MIT Atlantis, but the reach on the MIT 
> model seems longer than the older iterations. Albatrosses aren’t for me—I 
> get wrist pain on longer rides. Has anyone set up their MIT Atlantis with 
> drops or Albastaches? Are they really more intended for bars like the 
> Albastache?

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[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

[LBleriot]

Let me rephrase.  I wouldn't climb any alpine pass unless it's in a 
funicular or a BMW M3.

On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 4:18:28 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> LBleriot said of long chain stay bikes: "I wouldn't climb any alpine 
> passes on these bikes."
>
> Based on what? I've climbed (and descended) countless alpine passes, roads 
> and technical trails, with mine and it climbs and descends brilliantly.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] WTB Hub Area Rack

[LBleriot]

Anyone looking to sell?

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[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

[LBleriot]

I am a convert, sort of.  When I first laid eyes on the MIT Atlantis, I 
recoiled in horror.  I didn't know what to make of the long chainstays and 
the ever more sloping top tubes.  Now, having purchased a Clem H and MIT 
Atlantis I do see benefits, but as everyone is pointing out, there are some 
compromises.  They are BIG frames which require some travel and storage 
modifications, at least in my world.  Also, you'll need to buy a 
chain-and-a-half, or eight more links in my case, and perhaps longer cables 
to accommodate the longer wheelbase.  It may be me, but shifting (both 
index and friction) seems more finicky.  My rear derailleurs rattle around 
more which is surprising given that I'm using basic Shimano 8 speed setups 
on both bikes.  Also, I wouldn't climb any alpine passes on these bikes.  I 
find that these are small inconveniences given the comfort and stability 
both bikes provide on and off pavement. 

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 7:43:56 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I have wanted to start this thread for weeks. Fearing controversy, not 
> desiring to start fights, and worried that staff at Riv will read this, I 
> never mustered up the guts. But the long wheelbase bike topic has come up 
> in several threads now, and maybe we should just have the discussion. 
> People are wanting to buy these bikes, and since most don’t live near a 
> dealer, we need to help each other out regarding bike fit. 
>
> I got a new Clem L (unless you have been living under a ROCK you know this 
> since it’s all I talk about. Go ahead, I dare you to ask me about the color 
> of paint that it has. ) and it’s nothing like the other Clems I’ve known 
> and loved. Why? Because it has an even longer wheelbase than than its 
> long-wheelbase predecessors. 
>
> Recently, Rivendell pointed us to an Ask Me Anything with Grant on Reddit. 
> It was a wall of text and I read it. Folks asked their most pressing 
> questions and Grant graciously answered them. Over and over and over again 
> long wheelbase bikes were brought up, and Grant offered his opinion. Longer 
> bikes are more stable, Cadillac-like, comfortable, etc. The opposite of 
> twitchy, short-wheelbase bikes. We know this and most of us will accept it. 
>
> BUT...what I am dying to know is this: how long can you go before it is no 
> longer an improvement? 
>
> Example: My 52 Clementine was much more comfortable than my 55 Betty Foy. 
> Like it was tailor-made for me alone. The Betz was totally fine, no knocks 
> against it, but the Clementine was just more plush. So, I agree with Grant 
> - longer was better. 
>
> The problem came with my Clem L, the 2019 version that had had its 
> geometry changed. I didn’t know I was getting a different bike. I was 
> surprised when I had to buy (several) different stems and a new long 
> wheelbase bar for my Saris rack. It’s been a lot of adjustment, and I’ve 
> been frustrated. If I understand correctly, several Rivendell models have 
> been lengthened as of late. 
>
> The burning question I have: Can anyone tell us if the new longer bikes 
> are better or worse than the previous (also long) versions? We know the 
> theory, what of the reality? I’m thinking especially of the Clems, as they 
> were already SO long. But I think Atlantis people will also have something 
> to say... 
>
> I wanted to have this discussion because I genuinely want to know how the 
> newest long bikes are working out for folks. But I also want to let others 
> know that there are some things to consider if you get one of these new 
> iterations. Will a 52 Clem fit on public transport? I think no. Will it fit 
> on your vehicle hitch bike rack? Mine won’t. Will it be difficult for you 
> to park your long bike in a public rack? Can you back your bike out of your 
> garage/shed easily at this new length? What if you are right between sizes? 
> Rivendell would have you go up, I’m not sure I wouldn’t have done better on 
> the next size down. 
>
> Of course we can have this discussion and keep it kind, can’t we, Friends. 
> It would be so horrible if Rivendell staff read this and saw a lot of 
> inflammatory remarks. I think we’re allowed to have a decent and 
> informative chat, and undoubtedly some people will find it helpful. Plus, 
> maybe Rivendell will find it useful. If the extra long bikes aren’t meeting 
> expectations, maybe there will be changes to future bikes. 
>
> I did put 9 miles riding up a mountain with groceries in my front basket 
> on the new Clem L, so I’m working our relationship! 
> Leah 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: OT: non-bike hobbies

[LBleriot]

I turned to photography during my riding downturns.  Kids make for ready 
models and the technology scratched the itch to fiddle with something 
mechanical.  Landscape photography got me out and moving again.  When you 
heal, you can combine both hobbies by riding to shoots.

On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 11:19:14 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> I feel like this has come up before but could only find a thread from 
> 2010: what are your non-bike hobbies? Particularly anyone with young kids 
> that suck up all your other time or involve them. I haven't been riding 
> since an accident earlier this year. My wife says I need a hobby. I don't 
> disagree. Bonus points if it's thrifty, because damn I've spent a lot of 
> money at Rivendell over the years.
>

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Re: [RBW] PSA: S Coupled Rambouillet on Craiglist $1000, Montana

[LBleriot]

Joe—I’ve been riding the snot out of the Atlantis and really enjoying it. 

Robert—I owe you a beer for posting the link. It’s a bit of unicorn and the 
seller seems to have taken care with it over the years. 

I will definitely post pics when it lands in my garage.  I love this group. 
Thanks again. 

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Re: [RBW] PSA: S Coupled Rambouillet on Craiglist $1000, Montana

[LBleriot]

Joe—I’ve been riding the snot out of the Atlantis and loving it. 

Karl—I owe you a beer for posting the link.  

I will definitely post pics when it lands in my garage.  The seller seems like 
he took really good care of this Ram. 

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Re: [RBW] PSA: S Coupled Rambouillet on Craiglist $1000, Montana

[LBleriot]

I think I am the new owner.  I took a flyer, exchanged emails with the seller, 
and sent payment.  Fingers crossed.  My wife, having discovered Joe’s Atlantis 
in my driveway, simply arched her eyebrows at this latest adventure.

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[RBW] Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[LBleriot]

People, people.  C’mon.  The orange Rambouillet is the one that should be on 
everybody’s list.

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Re: [RBW] Does anyone have any knobby tire suggestions for a 52 Clem H?

[LBleriot]

Check out Soma Cazaderos. I run them on my Clem from the path to the trail. 

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Re: [RBW] MIT Atlantis and chain length

[LBleriot]

Thanks John and everybody else!  Even with the longer chain and the big pulley 
wheel on the Altus, it gets a little nutty in the big-big and small-small 
combos.  And yes, I think Riv should put a note on website that certain 
drivetrains might require a longer chain.

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[RBW] MIT Atlantis and chain length

[LBleriot]

So, I bought an MIT Atlantis from a fellow member of the bunch, and am learning 
the pros and cons of those eeeaaalllyyy long chainstays.  They provide a 
nice comfy ride, but caused me some head scratching when it came to fitting a 
chain. I set up the Atlantis as traditional rambler/tourer with drop bars, bar 
end shifters, triple crankset, an 8 speed cassette and Altus front and rear 
derailleurs.   After reading that Riv uses KMC 116 link chains, I put one on my 
new ride.  No go; in the big ring, the derailleur stretches too much.  So, back 
to the shop I went for another chain to add 6 links to the original chain.  
Time to bust out the old school skill of breaking and re-pinning the chain.  Am 
I the only one to experience this?

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[RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[LBleriot]

I think 28mm tires is the widest you're gonna be able to safely run on the 
Roadini.  I tried a couple of plastic and metal fenders and found that with 
Soma Vitesse tires Handsome's metal fenders gave me the most clearance, but 
the difference between metal and plastic was negligible; it's all tight.

On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:24:28 PM UTC-4, Matt D wrote:
>
> My 61 Roadini is set up with 17mm Alexrims G6000 rims, Panaracer 
> Gravelking 32c tires (which run true to size), and Tektro R539 brakes. I'm 
> headed to merrie olde England in June with bicycle in tow and I'd like to 
> prepare for the rain that seems to go along with the island but I'm not 
> sure I can fit them.
>
> My research has only turned up this - Paul Gong on a RBWOB facebook group 
> says:
> *"I have a Roadeo which has the same designed-in clearances. I can just 
> fit Jack Browns and SKS P45 Longboards with careful installation. This was 
> a combo that Rivendell often featured on their website and Instagram. I'm 
> pretty certain metal fenders like VO and Honjo wouldn't fit with Jack 
> Browns. Their design and hardware require more clearance than Longboards."*
>
> Jack Browns, of course, being 33.3mm. That makes me suspect that 
> Rivendell's limit of 28 with fenders might be a little conservative. I 
> don't intend to ride many loose surfaces or gravel so I'm not all too 
> worried about things getting caught under it. Is anyone else running 
> fenders above 28mm on their Roadini or Roadeo and if so, what do you 
> suggest I use?
>

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Re: [RBW] PSA: 2000 58cm Atlantis $675 complete bike

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Darn!  And I live on Long Island!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Touch-up for the mustard/butternut color?

[LBleriot]

RAL 1027 may work for the Appa but it's way too yellow for the Clem.  Back 
to the drawing board or color wheel.


On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 1:10:36 PM UTC-4, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
> Thanks Weston, please send us an update with your impressions!
>
> Doug
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 2:09 PM Weston Hein  > wrote:
>
>> I have a mustard Clem and was going to order a RAL 1027 touch up pen. Not 
>> sure if it's exact but should be close enough for me. Hope this helps!
>>
>> https://www.lvppaints.com/RAL-1027-Touch-Up-Pen.html
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Friction down tube shifters

[LBleriot]

The DiaCompe version sold by Velo Orange has the big barrel on the rear 
shifter that pulls a lot of cable and stays put.

On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 4:08:06 PM UTC-4, PaulS wrote:
>
> I am looking for a set of downtube shifters for my Hunq. Mated to a 3x9-sp 
> Mountain drive train (in case they are both index and friction). What’s a 
> decent set? 
>
> I’ve had Riv Silver in the past. However, I could not get the shifter to 
> stay tight and in gear. I really had to crank on the wing nut to keep it 
> from loosening up. I even contacted Riv and all they suggested was getting 
> some Nord-lock washers. Which I had a hard time finding them in the right 
> size and gave up. 
>
> Any other suggestions?   

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[RBW] Re: Mixed bag results: Fenders on my Leo

[LBleriot]

I use the fuzzy side of a stick on Velcro strip.  The sticky part keeps it in 
place and quiets the vibration from the fender.

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[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?

[LBleriot]

I find that in the NE, once the roads are treated it doesn't take much 
moisture for the brine to coat the drive train and frame even in "dry" 
conditions.  If I ride a bike without fenders, I always wipe the frame and 
cranks down afterwards.

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:07:24 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Yes, fenderless.
>
> I grow increasingly concerned, over  the years, of front end wrecks due to 
> the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them 
> happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so 
> as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the 
> clock will run out.
>
> So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice 
> banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load 
> carrying and no need for racks/fenders.
>
> But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on 
> my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means 
> white with dry salt.
>
> If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they 
> fared?
>
> Thanks for relating your experiences!
>
>

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[RBW] Custom Soma San Marco ?

[LBleriot]

You might want ask Riv if the Roadini would fit the bill. I really enjoy the 
San Marcos and find that the Roadini has a similar but “less stout” feel.  It 
may just be the wheels /tires combo, but that’s my perception.  The Roadeo is 
definitely more “flexible” but different geometry. 

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[RBW] Thanks Grant

[LBleriot]

Bravo Grant!

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[RBW] NYC riders: fenders year-round?

[LBleriot]

For me it comes down to whether fenders means I can ride vs. not ride.  I’m 
lucky enough to have both fendered and non-fendered choices.  I put fenders on 
my go fast Roadini and now I ride it in snotty weather and wet roads which 
means I enjoy it more. 

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[RBW] Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[LBleriot]

I would hate to see legit FS threads chased away.  2 of my beloved Rivs and one 
gem of a Heron found new homes with me through this forum. I do more lurking 
than contributing and I know some good people who sell things here are in the 
same category.  A big part of why I come here is to hit the elusive Riv FS 
lottery and to keep the brand rolling.

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[RBW] ird power ratchet shifters keep loosening

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+1 on the beeswax recommendation.  A tiny piece softened in your fingers and 
pushed into the threads will create the friction you need to keep the bolt from 
loosening.

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[RBW] Riding without fenders on Rivs reviews needed.

[LBleriot]

I endorse this plan. I keep the Bleriot fendered and racked for winter grunge, 
but the Ram must run free!  You’ll feel faster and more carefree. I fendered my 
Roadini as my go fast rain bike.

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[RBW] 57 vs 61 Roadini

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+1.  Call/write to Grant.  I ordered 57 based on my Soma San Marcos sizing and 
Grant called me to switch it to a 54 which fits perfectly.  The geometry is 
unique to that frame.  

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[LBleriot]

They're nicely done with pics and brief write ups, but the catalog is 
nothing like the Riv Reader.

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 10:37:22 AM UTC-4, d2mini wrote:
>
> Is this like the old Riv Reader? I used to LOVE that thing!
>
> I've been away for a spell but I'm just recently back and building up a 
> brand new Sam.
> How can I get one of these???
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>
>> Just got the mail and there it was - the promised Riv catalog!  I'm going 
>> to wait until after work to savor it with a beer in hand on the back 
>> patio.  Just from the cover, it looks to be of high quality.  Much as you 
>> would expect.
>> Chris
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for aerobic base training heart rate monitors?

[LBleriot]

Keene sandals???  Serously, I think this aimed at the wrong crowd.

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>
> What do Rivendell Riders use for aerobic base training  heart rate 
> monitors?

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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[LBleriot]

I'll play.  I own a Bleriot, a custom 650B, an orange Ram, a Rom, a Roadeo, 
a Roadini, a Heron Road and a Soma San Marcos (the last two being Riv 
inspired or designed).  As you can tell, the needle is kinda stuck.  I live 
on Long Island which is mostly flat and paved but punctuated with steep 
short hills on the north shore and pot holes galore in Spring.  My favorite 
is the protovelo Rom.  I don't know why.  They are all built similarly.  
The Rom is silver and with only one decal is the cleanest looking-most 
comfortable-while-sprightly, one of the bunch.  The Heron is a pure joy 
with its "narrow" 28c tires.  The Bleriot gets the least love although it's 
the most dressed up with Berthoud fenders, rack and top shelf components.  
It looks the part, but is a bit sluggish and has been relegated to winter 
riding.  The Roadini and San Marcos fight it out for rainy day rides as 
both are fendered and yet fairly light and snappy.  The creamsicle Ram is 
just plain fun.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Pashley Clubman 54.5-56

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I know it is. I sold it to you.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Pashley Clubman 54.5-56

[LBleriot]

H.  

On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 12:22:31 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Bmp..$1100 shipped. I'm on the verge of losing major cash on this, but 
> whaddyagonnado? It's really nice, but between the eChev and my new Crust I 
> know I'm rarely going to grab this one. Getcher 2-speed on or swap the 
> double roadie stuff back in! 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
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[RBW] Re: My First Rivendell

[LBleriot]

Awesome Ram!  That's a keeper.  Good luck on the ride.  you have the right 
bike for it.

On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 12:18:57 PM UTC-4, Tommy Patterson wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I bought my first Rivendell used at a small shop in western NC a month 
> back and I love it! The price was too good to be true ($850!?!) and after a 
> few hundred in consumable parts (tires, drivetrain, bar tape) and setting 
> it up to my liking it is riding great. I understand why y'all love these 
> bikes to much.
>
> I have a general question to those that might know a thing or two about bb 
> length for rambouillets. The BB that is in there feels wide to me and I 
> have ample crank arm clearance. I have not pulled it out to measure, but I 
> am curious if a standard road width would fit this bike. I have 175 Sugino 
> cranks and could like to reduce my q-factor so I don't feel like I am 
> pedaling bowlegged. Any advice or experience would be helpful. 
>
> Attached are a few photos of the day I bought the bike (with a genuine 
> smile), its current iteration, and the crank-arm clearance. I'm riding a 
> century on it tomorrow, wish me luck. 
>
> Cheers,
> Tommy 
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[RBW] Re: ROADINI

[LBleriot]

28mm Soma Vitesse.  It's a tight fit for the fender/brake combo, but so far 
so good.

On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 8:53:20 PM UTC-4, lambbo wrote:
>
> LBerliot, what size tires do you have on there?
>
> On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 3:08:23 PM UTC-4, LBleriot wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 9:09:17 PM UTC-4, LBleriot wrote:
>>>
>>> I built mine with VO wheels, Nitto stem and bars, Brooks B17, Shimano DT 
>>> shifters, Sun 8 spd derailleurs, Shimano medium reach side pulls and 
>>> levers.  I added grilver matching Mud Butler hammered fenders.  It’s become 
>>> my fastest/lightish rain bike.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: ROADINI

[LBleriot]

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 9:09:17 PM UTC-4, LBleriot wrote:
>
> I built mine with VO wheels, Nitto stem and bars, Brooks B17, Shimano DT 
> shifters, Sun 8 spd derailleurs, Shimano medium reach side pulls and 
> levers.  I added grilver matching Mud Butler hammered fenders.  It’s become 
> my fastest/lightish rain bike.

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[RBW] Re: I think I'm going to throw up

[LBleriot]

It's definitely worth fixing.  I was heart broken when my first Ram was 
smooshed by a carless driver with me aboard.  I'm on my second orange Ram.  
I'd have the brake bridge repaired and come up with some funky solution to 
the repaint of the area.  Think of it as a war wound and wear it with pride.

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 4:06:13 PM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Tuesday afternoon I put my Rambouillet in the work stand to check 
> everything over before the inaugural ride of the neighborhood coffee shop 
> group ride and I noticed my rear brake caliper moving way too much when I 
> stopped the rear wheel. I thought that my mounting bolt was loose.
>
> Upon closer examination I realized the tubular bridge between the stays 
> has completely broken its brazing and is free to rotate when the back brake 
> is applied. Not a little bit, a lot.
>
> Scientific analysis couldn't determine a worse day of the year to be 
> looking for frame repair/repaint or get a new one. I know the paint alone 
> is going to be big if I have the original finish replicated. 
>
> I'm just sick about it.
>
> Andy Cheatham 
> Pittsburgh
>

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[RBW] ROADINI

[LBleriot]

I built mine with VO wheels, Nitto stem and bars, Brooks B17, Shimano DT 
shifters, Sun 8 spd derailleurs, Shimano medium reach side pulls and levers.  I 
added grilver matching Mud Butler hammered fenders.  It’s become my 
fastest/lightish rain bike.

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[RBW] Nitto F-16 Handlebar Bag Support

[LBleriot]

I’ve used one of those on my Ram with an Ostrich bag.  It’s okay but there are 
limits.  Since the bag sits high and hangs off the bars, it can effect 
steering/wheel flop.   Also, the platform is small, so you can’t load up the 
bag with heavy items or the bag will sag.  It’s good to carry light loads on 
longer rides on your road bike.

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[LBleriot]

I've always wanted an Atlantis, but couldn't justify it because I have a 
Bleriot.  I was excited to read about a lower cost alternative, but then I 
saw those chain stays.  Um. Yeah.   A bit of an outlier those,  Pay a few 
hundred less than the MUSA build and get a few more inches of rear end on a 
drop bar tourer.  I just can't stop staring at that gap between the tire 
and the seat stay.  Oh well.  I hope they sell a bunch, but not my cup of 
tea.

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 6:10:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
> Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
> tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
> yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
> little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
> from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
> but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
> to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
> hand.  
>
> The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>

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[RBW] Fender width on a Roadini

[LBleriot]

I have 35s on mine with 28 tires under Shimano medium reach brakes.  You can 
probably go wider with Tektro brakes but it’s tight at the fork crown.  Flat 
woodies would require some carving methinks.

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[RBW] Have you loved your model of Rivendell so much that you bought one of every color?

[LBleriot]

Sorta. It started with an orange Ram.  That led to a silver Rom. Then I ordered 
a blue Roadeo.  I rounded the “same bike’ collecttion With a Bailey Falls Blue 
(green) Heron.

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[LBleriot]

My dentist and my ortho love it when I do my blind tests.

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>
> I want to watch that blindfolded test ride where you try to tell the 
> difference. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca
>

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[RBW] Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[LBleriot]

Depends on the wheels/tires and cockpit IMHO.  I run lighter wheels, narrower 
tires and brifters on my Roadeo so it feels it bit more lively than my Toyo 
Ram. Blindfolded, I’d be hard pressed to tell the difference.  

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[RBW] Re: Tektro R559 vs. Dia-Compe 750 centerpulls.

[LBleriot]

IMHO they're both speed adjusters rather than brakes.  The CPs are a tad 
mushier in response, but look nicer and allow more room for fenders 
particularly at the fork bridge.

On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 4:16:48 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Any opinions from those who have used both on the same bike?
> Which do you like better?
>

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[LBleriot]

Without the B17 and enormously heavy Crane bell, this gets pretty close 20 
lbs.

On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 6:21:48 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Reading Grant interview where he was saying they were shooting for sub-20 
> wihen they developed  the Roadeo and was wondering if anyone here has 
> realized this on their Roadeo.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendered Roadini

[LBleriot]

No spacer, cork or otherwise, needed on my build.  I just used one of the 
leather washers at the chainstay bridge.  The cork spacer is a nice included 
item with the Mud Butlers. The other nice thing about these fenders is that the 
seat stay clamp is plasti-wrapped making for a silent install.  Every set of 
metal fenders should include this thoughtful part.   Well done Handsome. 

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[RBW] Re: Fendered Roadini

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Thanks folks!  I love this bike.  The color match is uncanny. 

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[RBW] Fendered Roadini

[LBleriot]

I promised myself that I would keep the Roadini svelte and unburdened, but 
the crap weather in the Northeast pushed me to fender it up.  I mounted 
28mm tires and graphite Mud Butler fenders that match the grilver frame.  
May never take them off.

  

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[RBW] Re: NYC 5 Boro ride

[LBleriot]

Can be lots of fun.  Be prepared for stops/stalls/waiting.  It's more of a 
rolling hipster fest.

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:42:55 AM UTC-5, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Did anybody else sign up? My brother in law and I signed up...
>
> Alex Wirth
> Rochester, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Heron ephemera

[LBleriot]

Thanks for posting this.  I love my Heron Road that I purchased from an 
iBob member last year.  There's something about it, the narrower tires or 
the wheels or the tubing, that makes this bike feel a bit snappier than any 
of my Rivs.  Plus, the Bailey Falls Blue is an awesome color, and the DT 
decal is a cool tri-color resurrected today on the Roadini.

I own a Bleriot too and going from it to the Heron is like going from Land 
Rover to Jag; both good in different ways.

On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 11:26:27 AM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:
>
> Something about Heron bikes I've always liked. Never found one my size 
> sadly, (although I did own a beautiful too-small touring model for a while) 
> but if one ever shows up I'll be tempted. This brochure popped up recently, 
> and I thought it might interest some here:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[LBleriot]

Patrick, my Roadeo is built up with Campy 10 Speed brifters and lightweight 
pacenti wheels and supple tires.  My Roadini is built up with 8 Speed DT 
shifters, box rims and 32 pasela tires. So, the comparison is influenced more 
by components than frame design. I liken the Roadini to the San Marcos, Ram and 
Rom.

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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[LBleriot]

I haven’t raced in over twenty years, but when I did it was not with DT 
shifters, 32 Paselas, and 36 spoke box rims.  So, in my mind the Roadini is not 
a “stripped down racer.”  I can put fenders, lights and a rack on it, but that 
doesn’t make it a randonnuese or touring bike either.  YMMV.

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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[LBleriot]

I agree with Mark.  I would not describe the Roadini as a “stripped down race 
bike’” at least not in the modern racer sense.  To me, the Roadini is a basic, 
not too light/ not too heavy road bike.  I think of it as a partially lugged 
San Marcos; maybe a little more sprite.  I’ve been riding the snot out of it on 
the road, paths, and smooth single track.  It’s my fender less winter road 
bike.  I use it when I don’t want risk messing up the paint and parts on my 
Roadeo.  Sorry I can’t compare it the other bikes mentioned by the OP. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[LBleriot]

Hey, my kvetching about cable pull on Silver Shifters resulted in a BLUG 
hack!  How cool is that?

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 12:50:28 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG today documents a method to get slightly
> more cable pull out of a Silver shifter.  
>
> BL
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[RBW] Roadini pics with saddle height? - 61cm and 57cm frames?

[LBleriot]

So much depends on the wheels and tires, but the Roadini rides more like the 
Soma San Marcos than the Ram. 

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[RBW] Roadini pics with saddle height? - 61cm and 57cm frames?

[LBleriot]

Can’t help with your sizes, but thanks to Grant I went from a 57 to 54 and it’s 
right on the money.  I have an 85 Pbh and ride a 58 Ram with bars level to 
saddle.   The head tube and angles bring the bars up and back on the Roadini.  
Hope this helps a bit. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[LBleriot]

As a devout sub-10 speed DT friction shifter retro grouch, I hope Rivendell 
sells a ton of these thumb shifters and prospers, then takes some of the 
profit and "improves" the beautiful Silver shifters by making the groove 
diameter a little larger!
 
Now, I gotta go and buy up all the existing stock of Silver shifters.

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 12:51:01 PM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell 
wrote:
>
> Sentence 3 should be "..we CAN'T afford to do everything."
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 9:37:12 AM UTC-8, Grant @ Rivendell 
> wrote:
>>
>> All is well here with the SS2 thing. We're not oblivious to double-digit 
>> speed cassettes and the 1xwhatevers, and aren't even dismissive of them. We 
>> can afford to address everything and we can't afford to do most of what we 
>> do that makes us good or special. Nothing we do makes sense financially, 
>> and at some point when I'm gone or RIV's gone and somebody sees an 
>> opportunity to write the story of our demise, they'll have tons of 
>> low-hanging fruit to pluck. MUSA, SACKVILLE, STEEL. THere are all kinds of 
>> external forces threatening us that we can't control. A huge rent raise in 
>> a few years? NITTO bars on Amazon at our cost? A young and irreplaceable 
>> workforce hoping to settle down in life and pressured to make more money in 
>> another field? 
>> Those are everyday pressures, not always front-burner, but always not far 
>> from it, and so there's only so little I can fret about somebody 
>> double-after-the-facting saying we should do the SS2 this way or that. 
>> The S1 groove diameter is 20.5. Campy NR was 16. Simplex Alfred E. 
>> Neumanns were 14. Dia-Compe makes an 11-speed that's 30, but it won't fit 
>> into a pod or thumb-mount, and it pulls a lot of cable way fast, which has 
>> its own drawbacks when you're shifting 9. The amount of lever-tip movement 
>> required to move the derailer X depends on the length of the lever. It's 
>> not obvious unless mentioning it forces you to thing of the physics, or 
>> until you mount one and try it, but it's there. 
>> We experiment a lot with shifters, modifying one mount to fit another 
>> shifter, putting them different places, trying out with diff 
>> cassettes...and we do it as users-riders, not as marketers. The SS project 
>> started out a dumb lark in the early 2000s, and has been tremendously 
>> successful. Not financially, but from the point of view that lots of riders 
>> have been given the chance to learn friction shifting, and if no SILVER, no 
>> chance. That's not important in the big picture, but to me, personally, it 
>> is huge. I'm really proud of it, not in an outward chest-thump way or a 
>> smug way, but in an inward way. Friction shifting (or, more accurately, 
>> shifting with a micro power-ratchet that is better than pure friction, but 
>> is so similar to it, and "friction" flows off the tongue better) isn't 
>> every going to come out of its flatlining and make a blip, but at some 
>> level below the visible blip, it's pretty fantastic. When you move the 
>> lever and pull the cable and make that not-guaranteed shift, in a tiny way 
>> you're resisting the powerful forces of modern times that tell you you're 
>> smarter when you remove skill and feel from the bike riding experience. You 
>> WILL miss some shifts and go KLUNK now and then. Your wingnut will loosen 
>> and you'll have to snug it. There's no "auto-snug" feature to do it for 
>> you, and so the bike fantastically nags at you and reminds you that you and 
>> it are dancing or interacting and are interdependent. That's not the force 
>> and direction that flies in the mainstream. 
>> When SS2 comes out--March, if I can believe what I'm told—it won't be 
>> news in any bike magazine (maybe our never having written a press release 
>> isn't helping us). But on the other hand, can you imagine a 26-year old 
>> rookie former intern journalist getting a press release about that shifter 
>> and knowing what to do with it? Or getting a sample for test purposes?
>> We survive because of our current and repeat customers, and this forum 
>> has been key. For me, it's super important, because even when there's 
>> swatting and squawking, it's about stuff I can relate to and love, and it's 
>> among geeky bike riders (like I am!) who feel strongly about insignificant 
>> stuff (like I do!). Everybody here knows all of your names. Igor, Steve, 
>> Patrick, Joe, the Deacon, many more. We know your quirks and sensitivities. 
>> Yay to all!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

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Did you wake up on the wrong side of the shifter today?  Relax man. It’s a 
little piece of metal. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[LBleriot]

In order to shift my chain to the largest cog of a 10 Speed cassette using a 
Silver shifter, I need to move the lever almost parallel to the down tube.  
Enlarging the barrel, like the VO version of the DiaCompe shifter, requires 
less travel of the lever.  I happen to like the look of the Silver shifter 
better than the VO version and if it was made with a larger barrel, I’d buy it 
and use it. Does that make a lick of sense to you now?

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[LBleriot]

I thought this was a forum where we are free to express and share our opinions 
of Riv products in a respectful and open manner.  Is there some rule that I 
haven’t read requiring only positive reviews?  I buy Riv products that I like; 
quite a lot of them actually.  I don’t buy their products that I don’t like and 
when I disagree with Riv marketing I believe I have the right to share that 
here.  If you don’t agree with my opinion that’s fine, but  I don’t think it’s 
appropriate to stifle any opinion you don’t like.  

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[LBleriot]

'cause then I'd be posting to another Google group, right?

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 3:41:39 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Why not buy a different shifter you don't think is yucky?

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[LBleriot]

I said it before and I'll say it again.  As DT shifters, these look as bad 
as the old Silver shifters used as thumbies.  Yuck.  Why not do something 
innovative and make the barrel on the right shifter larger to pull more 
cable/shift more than 8 speeds easily?

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:12:54 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Interesting piece on the blug about the Silver Shifter 2 project coming 
> back to life.  Prototypes in house at RBWHQ, with photos.  
>
> "It’ll work fine on the downtube and better (than ever, than original 
> SILVER shifters) as a thumby or a bar-end shifter, because of the new 
> shape, heavily influenced by the 1983 SunTour XC thumb shifter. Slight 
> differences."
>
> IIRC, Grant had posted something a while back about this project fizzing 
> out for unstated reasons, so it's good to see it coming back to life.  I 
> was pretty interested so looking forward to seeing the production version.  
> These look to have much more character than the stand-by Shimano bar end on 
> Paul thumbie mount.  
>
> dougP
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

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I have a Ram, a Rom, A Roadeo, a Soma San Marcos (see a pattern here?) and 
I find that the Roadini is closest to the San Marcos, then the Ram/Rom, and 
least like the Roadeo.  YMMV.

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:59:16 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Don: I'm at least somewhat personally interested, having owned and sold a 
> Ram and yearned after a Roadeo. Are you saying (I want to be very clear) 
> that the Roadini is closer in design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?
>
> The reason: I thought the Ram was a very nice bike, but it was a wee bit 
> sedate and stoutish to fill a useful niche in my stable alongside 2 Riv 
> Road customs. 
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Don Compton  > wrote:
>
>> I currently own a 59cm Roadeo and owned a 60cm Rambouilet in the past. 
>> With the exception of the sloping top tube and the extra space for fat 
>> tires, the Roadini's geo looks very similar to a Ram.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 12:21:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
>>> looming build.
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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[LBleriot]

My grilver was delivered a few days ago and to my surprise came with a 
packing tape gun inside the main triangle!  I know that the seatpost, HS 
and BB were included, but the tape gun was a nice extra.  Anyways, after 
collecting all of the various and sundry parts I built it up over the 
holiday weekend and took it for the maiden voyage.  I built it with 8 speed 
bits and leftover wheels.  I'm not a big fan of the 31.8 DT which required 
a jury rigged clamp, and the Panaracer tires will not last long.  The ride 
was as expected; a fun do all, go anywhere but large rock gardens bike.  A 
nice, long wheel base and extra tall HT.   Just the way I like it.  Thanks 
Grant for calling me to switch my size from 57 to 54!  The fit is spot on.



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> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
> looming build.
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 650b Wheel/set

[LBleriot]

I have a set of as new Riv Budget 650B Wheels (Velocity Twin Hollow rims 
laced to Deore hubs).  $200 plus Bikeflights shipping for the pair.

On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 4:01:56 PM UTC-5, Paul Choi wrote:
>
> I need 135 spacing for the rear. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 2:33:29 PM UTC-7, Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>> I have a Sam coming from the pre-sale so I need a 650b wheelset. Does 
>> anyone have one they are willing to part with?
>>
>> Paul 
>>
>> Santa Clara CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 650b Wheel/set

[LBleriot]

PM sent on Riv Budget Wheelset.

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 5:33:29 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
>
> I have a Sam coming from the pre-sale so I need a 650b wheelset. Does 
> anyone have one they are willing to part with?
>
> Paul 
>
> Santa Clara CA
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[RBW] Re: Another orange bike - Holey Hillborne Build

[LBleriot]

Why not drill out that second top tube?

On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 8:43:56 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>
> This is as close as I get to a racing bike these days. Kind of an tribute 
> to the drillium bikes of my youth. I love the giant drilled high flange 
> hubs. This is my default “event” bike, rode the Cross Florida on it this 
> year. Very comfortable and fast, even on brick roads. 
> Frame: 56 cm metallic orange double TT Sam Hillborne. Nitto WB cages.
> Wheels: built by me. 36 spoke. Curtis Odom Holey high flange, 11 speed 
> hubs. Velocity Synergy rims, OC rear. Wheelsmith double butted spokes, 3 
> cross, Paul skewers. Compass Snoqualmie Pass standard weight tires. 
> Drivetrain: 2 x 11, indexing. Dura-Ace bar end shifters, Shimano 105 
> derailleurs, Shimano Ultegra chain, Shimano Ultegra 12-25 cassette. 
> Crank: VO Drillium 34x48. 
> Pedals: VO Sabot platform 
> Seatpost: Nitto 27.2 S-83 two bolt
> Saddle: Brooks B-68, black 
> Stem: Nitto lugged
> Handlebars: Nitto Noodle
> Handlebar Tape: Brooks Cloth
> Brakes: Tektro R559 sidepulls, TRP RRL SR drilled levers. 
> Weight: 26 lb. 15 oz.
>
> Laing
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[LBleriot]

Grant called me yesterday.  We switched up the size based on our 
discussion, and my frameset should be shipping out this week.

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> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
> looming build.
>

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[RBW] Need help with Romulus Decals

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I bought the original proto Rom built by Nobilette a couple of years back.  Its 
seat tube decal was a paper transfer that basically disintegrated.  When I 
contacted Riv for decals, they sent me protovelo decals but no Rom decals.  I 
hope they find some for you. Please let us know how you make out. 

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[RBW] Re: 9 vs 10 speed bar end shifters

[LBleriot]

Friction shifting more than 9 sprockets is too much of a pain for me.  Even 
with a 9 speed cassette, I find that friction shifting is a bit finicky.  I 
use the DiaCompe 11 spd DT shifter on my 9 speed setup and find that the 
big barrel of the shifter makes for easier/smoother shifting.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 12:20:50 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Hargrove wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I'm setting up a 2x10 drive train and was hoping to benefit from any 
> experience out there using either Shimano 9 speed bar end shifters in 
> friction mode or move into the Shimano 10 speed bar end shifters (STI 
> only). Given the narrowness of the 10 speed chains, is it that finicky 
> trying to find the right gear in a friction set up? Perhaps it is quieter 
> in properly dialed in on the 10spd shifter. I don't plan on swapping out 
> the levers for Silver shifters anytime soon, if that makes a difference for 
> those in favor of the 9spd set up. 
>
> Other details:
> 2007 26" Atlantis
> 10 speed rear cassette
> SunXcd double Crankset 46/26
> Shimano CX70 FD
> SunXcd RD
>
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[RBW] OT, sorry, but somewhat urgent question about car trouble

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My money is on a tank of ‘bad’ gas. 

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[RBW] Re: My roadini build list

[LBleriot]

Isn't the seat post diameter 26.8?  Not really sure who thought this one 
up, but so much for using one of my stashed 27.2 Nittos.

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 1:48:29 PM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> My build list for my 50cm Blue Roadini.  Sensible thing would've been to 
> wait to see what riv would be offering.  But I was antsy this week so away 
> shopping I went...
>
> Maybe you guys will spot something off
>
> Still need a handlebar shim.  Already had a nib fulcrum racing 7 cx 
> wheelset and nib b17 select sitting around.  Either using my old speedplay 
> frogs or nib vp-vice pedals
>
> Rivendell S!lver  wide/low crankset 
> Ultegra CX70 front derailleur
> M952 xt rear derailleur 
> KMC 9 Speed Chain 
> XT M770 9 Speed 11-34 MTB Cassette 
>
> Microshift  2/3-9 speed bar end shifters
>
> Trp RRL SL brake levers 
> TRP - RG957 brake calipers, my two sexiest choices.
>
> Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX Tire 700x33
>
> nitto b-132 randonneur handlebars
> Nitto NTC-DX Technomic Deluxe Stem 
> NITTO NJ-SP72 Jaguar seatpost  
>
> Yokozuna reaction cable and housing set
> Fizik Superlight Classic Bar Tape metallic blue, hm questioning this 
> color choice
> King Iris cages
> crane e-ne copper bell 
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Help from coastal riders: how to deal with sand?

[LBleriot]

Well, that's better than actually riding on the beach, but a fender and 
flap is not going to help much since the sand will blow onto the drive 
train.  A fender and flap will cut down on spray, but not so much flying 
sand.  You could try a dry wax lube and regular brushing of the chain and 
cassette.  I'm more concerned with keeping the rust at bay.

On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:25:37 PM UTC-4, Ann L wrote:
>
> I am riding on a paved boardwalk on the beach.  Sand drifts accumulate 
> regularly and are hard to avoid, hence the need for fat tires.
>
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 3:04:48 PM UTC-5, LBleriot wrote:
>>
>> I'm no authority on this, but I like 5-8 mm of clearance between tire and 
>> fender; not so much for sand or mud, but more for sticks and other debris 
>> that might jam the fenders.  You could go without fenders, but unless you 
>> brush the sand out of the waxed drive train, the grit will prematurely wear 
>> the chain/cassette. 
>>
>> Are you riding on the beach, or just near it?  If you're riding on the 
>> beach no fender is going to keep the grit off.  
>>
>> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 7:55:04 PM UTC-4, Ann L wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.  
>>>
>>> Matt B and LBieriot:  I'm a fan of fenders, both for prolonging the life 
>>> of bike and tires and also for completing the look of the bike.  Currently, 
>>> I'm running 52 mm Big Bens and have little give for fender clearance.  Part 
>>> of the point of getting this bike was the ability to have big fat tires I 
>>> could run at a low psi.  I would be willing to drop to a 48 mm but am 
>>> concerned about other aspects of sand, i.e.clogging the fenders.  How much 
>>> clearance space is recommended?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Help from coastal riders: how to deal with sand?

[LBleriot]

I'm no authority on this, but I like 5-8 mm of clearance between tire and 
fender; not so much for sand or mud, but more for sticks and other debris 
that might jam the fenders.  You could go without fenders, but unless you 
brush the sand out of the waxed drive train, the grit will prematurely wear 
the chain/cassette. 

Are you riding on the beach, or just near it?  If you're riding on the 
beach no fender is going to keep the grit off.  

On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 7:55:04 PM UTC-4, Ann L wrote:
>
>
>
> Thank you.  
>
> Matt B and LBieriot:  I'm a fan of fenders, both for prolonging the life 
> of bike and tires and also for completing the look of the bike.  Currently, 
> I'm running 52 mm Big Bens and have little give for fender clearance.  Part 
> of the point of getting this bike was the ability to have big fat tires I 
> could run at a low psi.  I would be willing to drop to a 48 mm but am 
> concerned about other aspects of sand, i.e.clogging the fenders.  How much 
> clearance space is recommended?
>

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[RBW] Re: Help from coastal riders: how to deal with sand?

[LBleriot]

Fenders should take care of most of the grit, but the drivetrain is cheap 
to replace compared to the frame.  Riding and storing your steel frame near 
the sea will result in corrosion.  And quick.  Make sure that you treat the 
inside of your frame.  Also, rinse and wax the frame and lube all of the 
bolts.  I usually soap and hose off the cassette after it cruds up. 
 Regularly pulling and lubing the BB shell is also a good idea.

On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 10:55:35 PM UTC-4, Ann L wrote:
>
> I recently relocated due to work and now do the majority of my riding by 
> the beach.  I love the natural beauty of sand, surf, ospreys, and pelicans 
> but hate what the sand is doing to my gears.  A gritty crust rapidly 
> develops on my cassette and chain.  I have been cleaning the chain weekly 
> and wiping the bike down daily.  Any advice from beach riders as to what I 
> should be doing to maintain the bike?
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a Sackville trunksac on a Bleriot?

[LBleriot]

Here's mine with a grey trunksack...



On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 7:12:27 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I want to get one but wondering what the color looks like against the 
> Bleriot paint?
>
> Does the new blue look right? Brown? Gray? Green? Tan?
> Anyone got pics?
>
> Only bag I have seen that color looks good against a Bleriot so far are 
> Nigel Smyths. Just from pics, though. Haven;t seen the sacvilles.
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[RBW] Re: Bike Swapping? Manhattan (NYC) and Portland (OR)

[LBleriot]

Why not just rent a CitiBike up near the Park?

On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 4:37:56 PM UTC-4, John A. Bennett wrote:
>
> Darby and I are going to be in* New York *from the 14th to 19th of 
> September (which is more like the 15th to the 18th).
>
> We are looking to find bikes for a day to tool around Central Park, and 
> the Waterfront Greenway. 
>
> We're on a shoestring budget for this trip, so I thought I'd see if anyone 
> would be interested in a bike swap. (We won't have a car, so the bikes 
> would probably need to be somewhere *in* Manhattan.) 
>
> We ride your bikes (Rivendell or Riv-like) for a day in New York and then 
> you ride our bikes (Atlantis, Betty Foy, Saluki) for a day when you come to 
> Portland. 
>
> My PBH: 92.5 cm Darby: 80 cm
>
> In any case, if it sounds interesting, let me know. Barring that, if you 
> live in New York and can recommend a good bike rental place, that would be 
> cool, too. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> John at Rivelo in PDX
>

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[RBW] Roadini Gray vs Blue?

[LBleriot]

I'm going with the grey because of the tricolor DT decal.  Just like the Heron 
Road.  A great little detail.  I've got a silver Rom, a blue Bleriot, a darker 
blue 650B custom, a blue/green San Marcos and a French blue Roadeo.  So, I 
thought I'd gravitate back to the grey.  I'm thinking eggplant tape and a black 
Brooks.  Then off to therapy for buying the same bike in many variations.  

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[RBW] Re: Roadini at RBW

[LBleriot]

That looks like Bleriot blue to me.

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[RBW] Re: Breaking in a leather Brooks

[LBleriot]

I'd go easy on the Proofhide, and would not use it until you've ridden the 
saddle a bit.  The "new" B17 uses a less thick hide than the older version 
IMHO, so they tend to break in quicker.  Also, resist the urge to touch the 
tension bolt.

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:12:14 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> I have decided to take the plunge into the world of leather saddles with 
> the purchase of a Brooks B17. I am in search of one now and decided to buy 
> used. There is a variety of information regarding proper break in. I have 
> read using mink oil, baseball glove oil and various other methods some of 
> which seem like gimmicks. I am more into the keep it simple approach of 
> applying a good reputable oil and simply going out and riding. The only way 
> to break it in is time. Can anyone share their real world experience with 
> breaking in a leather saddle?

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[RBW] Re: Wrapping handlebars

[LBleriot]

Wrap up from the end leaving a bit to tuck so as to avoid that unsightly 
bulge.

On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 10:43:52 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am wrapping my handlebars on a bicycle that I rebuilt but I wanted to 
> ask a question about the ends.  This bicycle has Riv bar ends and typically 
> youtube videos show that the wrap without these bar ends but tucked into 
> the ends with plugs.  My question is, how is it typically done when using 
> bar end shifters when this fit looks to be really tight?  Do you tape it at 
> the ends with electric tape or is it do able to tuck it in with bar 
> shifters?
>
> Thanks,
>

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[RBW] I need a Roadeo, right?

[LBleriot]

How have you gotten this far in life without one?

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Brooks Cambium C17 Carved

[LBleriot]

You can get 'em for about $100 on Fleabay.

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>
> Subject says it all, don't really care about the color. I'd prefer one 
> that hasn't been used too much. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: BLUG?

[LBleriot]

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 4:48:44 PM UTC-5, LBleriot wrote:
>
> Okay, I'm not seeing the BLUG link on Riv's new website.  What am I 
> missing?
>

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[RBW] Re: BLUG?

[LBleriot]

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 1:42:33 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>
> I had the same problem I think it's falling off the edge of my screen?


Now there's BLUG and Grant's Blahg... 

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[RBW] BLUG?

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Okay, I'm not seeing the BLUG link on Riv's new website.  What am I missing?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[LBleriot]

I think Bill Lindsay was making a kind offer to buy and hold a backup set 
of the V1 shifters for me.  It's nice to know the Walnut Creek Gang has my 
back.  Call me a crank, but I just hate when good things are "improved" out 
of their original purpose.  Ah well.  Progress.

On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 2:08:33 PM UTC-4, Julian wrote:
>
> Patrick, 
>
> Who is whom talking to? 
>
> Are you asking about Bill Lindsay's post about buying and holding? If so, 
> I think, (but am not positive), that he is responding to LBleriot's 
> (whoever that is) posts lamenting the end of the road for Silvers V1. 
>
> It does get a bit confusing in the Google interface when folks do not 
> include the post to which they're responding in their replies. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il 
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 12:50:14 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Who is he talking to?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[LBleriot]

It's all good, but for me the originals epitomized an "ah, brilliant!" 
moment you guys are known for.  The replacements, for me, for my use, for 
my style of riding not so much.  



On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 10:49:52 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell 
wrote:
>
> Downtube shifters are so much better than the original Campy shifters that 
> were mounted on the seat stays. But even they were breakthroughs for the 
> time--for the first time ever, a rider should shift remotely. We have a 
> bike here with those "Cambio Corsa" shifters, and anybody who comes by can 
> try it. It's a mindblowing.crackup.
>
> But it WAS the first cable-actuated shifter, so you didn't have to get off 
> the bike and change gears on a stopped bike with your fingers.
>
> Putting shifters on the downtube made shifting 10,000 percent easier, and 
> if you think that's an exagerration, you just haven't shifted the Cambio 
> Corsa.
>
>
> Shifters could have stopped at the downtube, but whether it's a good, 
> excellent, or fantastic place to shift depends on how far away they are, 
> the state of your lower back, and how smooth the terrain is. They're pretty 
> good for low-bar road bikes, because you're already leaning, and reaching 
> down there is actually relaxing. 
>
> But whether you ride an upright or a drop bar, when the bars are higher 
> the reach is longer and they're less convenient. So, as you do the things 
> that generally increase comfort and get the bars higher, your hands get 
> farther away from them, so it's less convenient.   Since our bikes are 
> skewed for comfort (at no expense anywhere else, of course I'd say...), it 
> wouldn't make sense to invest in a "classically shaped" downtube shifter.
>
> We do have Silver-1's in...and Dia-Compe has the Campyish ENE downtuber, 
> and Shimano still makes 'em--probably for triathletes--and those are all 
> great shifters. 
>
> So it just made sense for us to develop a shifter that works on the 
> downtube while looking out of place with the classics; and works great as 
> inboard or outboard thumbies, bar-ends, or the underestimated 
> ultra-position on the sleeves of a drop bar.
>
> Anyway...they're not meant to be divisive. We sunk our loot and time into 
> a shifter we're jazzed about, and it will do no harm and won't exactly 
> duplicate what's already out there, which is also key..!
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Dave Johnston  > wrote:
>
>> For the downtube you could always get the ENE Ciclo Gran Compe Downtube 
>> Shifters. I think they look cooler and they haven't been made for 17 yrs so 
>> presumable the mold isn't near wearing out.
>>
>> http://store.somafab.com/enecidosh.html
>>
>> Hard to believe we have choices in new friction shifters.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.  
>>> One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
>>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
>>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
>>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
>>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
>>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
>>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
>>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
>>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
>>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
>>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>>>
>>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[LBleriot]

Bill--Actually, I do think I get the point.  My friends at Riv decided to 
change the shape of the shifter in light of the fact that the original mold has 
worn out. They could have simply made a new mold in the shape of the original 
which, I believe, is optimized for DT mounting and more than acceptable for 
barend mounting.  Instead they changed the shape of the mold which, as Grant 
points, is no longer optimal for DT mounting, but is optimized for thumbies.  
To me this is a disappointment since I use them as DT shifters.  So, like it's 
predecessor, a beautiful piece of kit that works flawlessly is now lost to 
posterity.  Meh.

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[LBleriot]

Meh.  I can't get excited about this version since it seems that given the 
new shape DT mounting is an afterthought.  To my eye, these are thumbies 
and would look silly on a Ram, Rom, Homer or Roadeo DT.

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters. 
>  One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>
> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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