[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

Ha...you got that right. We haven't even begun to touch the lenses. 

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 1:05:30 PM UTC-5, Ian A wrote:

> Alright - but which iteration of the M4 was king? The original M4 or one 
> of the post M5 reissued M4 models? And if so which one?
>
> This is a slippery slope for sure! 
>
> IanA
>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis-to-Poster (need not be long thread, just saying this)

[Ryan Merrill]

Looking forward to a new poster...I just recently picked up a Clem and a 
Sam poster from y'all to go with my original Riv/Goines poster; a new one 
will fit in wonderfully. I'm looking forward to the catalog too. 



On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 10:49:40 AM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:

> Some of these questions or just unclear-confusing-redundancy things, like 
> why both the JoeAppa and Atla will be made clearer in the catalog. 
>
> On another note, this time about the Rivendell - David Lance Goines 
> poster: DLG used the same printing device (press?) for almost 50 years, and 
> it was about 50 years old when he got it...as I remember from his telling. 
> Two years ago it crapped out and he had to get another one, 50 years 
> younger but still 50 years old or older, made by another maker and I think 
> in another country. For most of his posters, the newer machine works, he 
> has been able to get good results, but wouldn't you know it--ours, which 
> appears to have at most 9 colors in it, actually has 14, according to the 
> one guy who ought to know, and he's tried and failed three or so times to 
> get the same results.
> I've suggested he dumb it down some to make it easier, it would still look 
> good, but he doesn't do that, so we've been out of posters for about 3 
> years. After I read the thing about the extra poster and the number game, I 
> contacted him again and said, "...still here, still want...wuzzup?"  He 
> assured me he'd try again, and I have no doubt.As I've said before 
> somewhere: (1) He really likes that poster, he has used it as an example in 
> articles and stuff where he could have used any poster in his portfolio; 
> and (2) He likes me and my enthusiasm for the poster---and is about as 
> Unracery as one can get, with all black clothes, black hat, cane, and 
> handlebar moustache. He rode a lot in the '70s, and still feels the kinship.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:14 AM, phil k  
> wrote:
>
>> I view this board as largely people giving their impressions based on 
>> their own experience. It's what I like about it this board. 
>>
>> It's an amalgamation of everyone's experience that may be helpful to 
>> some, not relevant to others. I'm not sure I detect any mansplaining on 
>> this thread (there aren't any women being patronized, or at least I hope 
>> not), merely people giving their first impressions and speculations based 
>> on little information given and trying to parlay their own experience to 
>> how it would translate to the new Atlantis.
>>
>> I'm enjoying the various thoughts on this thread. I'm not sure where else 
>> I would be able to find a 9 page thread about the Atlantis.
>>
>> I really want to buy this Atlantis, but saving up for a wedding at the 
>> moment.
>>
>> As for being redundant with the Appaloosa, I think the Atlantis will work 
>> better with drop bars. I couldn't use drops comfortably on the Appaloosa, 
>> even with a dirt drop bar. Hopefully, the new Atlantis is still made for 
>> touring loads as well.
>>
>> If the Appaloosa ends up being redundant, I would DEFINITELY be stoked 
>> for a Made in Taiwan lugged mountain mixte with the Appaloosa fork crown 
>> and head badge...
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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

Alright...I'm just going to say it...the Leica M4 was and still is king. 

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 5:57:25 AM UTC-5, Max S wrote:
>
> This longer chainstay model is still very much within the dominant design 
> envelope of a chain driven bicycle. We are, like true devotees, splitting 
> hairs. But zooming out of the devotee cubby-hole, and taking a slightly 
> more macro-economic perspective, let’s consider cameras... (see what I did 
> there?) 
>
> The Leica M5 was supposed to be an improved version of the iconic M3, but 
> many Leica fans didn’t go for it. Still, there’s a strong contingent of 
> photogs who loved it from the get-go. Will the Neu-‘tlantis be the M5 to 
> the M3, or will it be the M3 to the cIII?.. 
>
> Leica camera purchases are driven to a significant extent by non-utility 
> (and on top of it, it’s arguably a Veblen good - demand *increases* with 
> price). I suspect that most Rivendell Atlantis purchases are driven by 
> utility (that’s the nature of the bike), so no impact on sales. And for 
> those potential customers with multiple bikes in the stable, why not offer 
> something that’s likely to be *different* from what they already have? 
>
> - Max “who used the M3 plenty but just may go for the Neu-‘tlantis ‘cos 
> the roads aren’t getting any better” in A2. 

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[RBW] Re: Un-unracing again: Wahoo Elemnt Bolt

[Ryan Merrill]

Nice setup. Looks like you got something to motivate you, which is always 
good. 

I've used a bunch of Garmins in the past and now use a Fenix 5 watch to 
track stuff and have not had an issue with any of the units, but I'm glad 
to see Wahoo competing against Garmin. The only Wahoo product I have 
experience with is my Kickr, and I frankly love that thing. 

Next up you will get a power meter and then get crazy geeky about numbers 
like -  FTP, CTL, ATL, TSB, TSS, 6 week TSS average blah, blah, 
blah...which will all tell you that you love to ride bikes. lol 

Seriously though, if you are into training, being able to quantify it with 
good data points is really awesome. 

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 4:21:25 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

>
> I'm mostly an unracer, but I work hard for a Racing Team, and I train with 
> that Racing Team, so I'm a part-time un-unracer.  I count my miles on 
> Strava, and earn badges for climbing and mileage, and I gauge my fitness by 
> setting PR's on segments in the area.  
>
> I've upped my un-unracer game by finally going full-techno, and I spent my 
> REI dividend on a modern cyclometer, the Wahoo Elemnt Bolt.  The local 
> Randos who didn't like Garmin for various reasons all seemed to like the 
> Wahoo, so that's what I bought.  It's a GPS unit, which pairs to my phone 
> over bluetooth, and connects to the internet over my WiFi.  It captures all 
> my ride data and syncs it to Strava on my phone, so I no longer need to use 
> GPS on my phone, which extends my phone battery life.  The Elemnt allegedly 
> has a ~14hr battery life fully active.  Today I did one of my benchmark 
> rides on it, and I used a heart rate monitor, which adds another aspect of 
> entertaining numbers-geekery.  My bundle also came with a separate cadence 
> sensor and a separate speed sensor, but I haven't used those yet, and may 
> not ever.  Whether my fitness is good, or having a cyclometer motivates me 
> to go harder, or my new Black Mountain Monster Cross is simply an 
> extraordinary bike, I can't quite tell, but I set a ton of PRs this 
> beautiful morning, even though I was on 29x2.0 knobbies, on roads that I've 
> ridden numerous times with a "road bike". It definitely makes me feel that 
> "it's mainly the motor".  Since I'm fitter, and since I've lost 20 lbs, and 
> since I had a screen to look at, and since I'm on a cool new bike, I 
> pedaled harder and went faster.  
>
> Here's a shot of my kind of crowded cockpit:
>
>
> 
>
>
> Bill un-unracing Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

Were those pictures shot on film?

Nice thumbie shot!


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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

There is a slight selling point to the long chainstays that I'll point out 
but it isn't at all Riv'ish but I'm gonna say it anyway.

So, I stuck Sram etap on my cross bike and found out rather quickly that 
the battery for the front derailer limits the tire size in the rear, and it 
makes a really nice place for mud and grime to ge all over...basically 
another place where mud can slow you down or even take out the 
batter/derailer and cause some damage. So, on that bike if I were to keep 
the etap on it, I would be limited to a 33mm tire, barely, which is fine in 
a cross race but blows for gravel riding. It's a problem of short 
chainstays (and sram's electronic shifting.) The bike no longer has etap on 
it. 

Now, on a Riv with their nicely spaced out chainstays, running etap poses 
no problems. (not that too many people are going to run etap on a riv, but 
I'm just saying)

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 5:10:48 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
> Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
> tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
> yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
> little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
> from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
> but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
> to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
> hand.  
>
> The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

I love me some disc brakes, but on an Atlantis I really wouldn't want them. 
There are two styles of bikes that I ride where I prefer disc 
brakes...Cyclocross race bike and a pure mountain bike. Although, I could 
deal with v brakes or cantis on each. Actually, the Cyclocross bike being 
canti isn't much of a con and actually makes the race a little more 
traditional and fun I think especially when mud cakes up all over 
everything and the whole race turns into what it was like for me as a kid 
playing on bikesbut I digress. On a modern mountain bike I like to see 
discs. 


Not sure if was already mentioned but does anyone lese wish it was designed 
> around disc brakes? 
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a spare Rivendell mug they're willing to part with?

[Ryan Merrill]

If they do make some more mugs, I'll buy two or even four. I missed out on 
them.

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:55:21 PM UTC-5, thalasin wrote:
>
> My Rivendell mug unfortunately met with its demise thanks to my klutzy 
> ways.  I had one in my cart to order but foolishly waited, hoping that some 
> out of stock stuff would reappear to add to the order.  Alas, not only did 
> that not happen, but now the mugs are gone and removed from the site.  
> Given the current state of affairs, it's probably going to be awhile before 
> any promo stuff shows up (if ever).  Anyway, it was my favorite mug and I 
> miss it dearly.  We can discuss price and I will of course pay shipping.
>
> Tracy
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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

I found a Toyo built Atlantis fully built up for $1600 on this group...keep 
an eye peeled, you can probably get one you like. 

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 7:30:09 PM UTC-5, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> My comments should all be viewed through the filter of someone who really 
> wants an Atlantis, got excited about the prospect of being able to afford 
> one, only to realize that this new version would not work for me. I’m sure 
> it’s a great bike, and don’t mean to poop on anybody’s party lawn. Maybe I 
> can afford a Waterford version in the future. 
>
> Eamon

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

I do think the new Atlantis is going to be a better touring bike than the 
previous versions, not that the previous versions were bad. The one I had I 
liked, but it was mostly a trail bike for me. It excelled in a lot of areas 
even though I wasn't riding it as a touring bike. In a fit of stupidity I 
sold it and I do wish I never did. 

But, the new one with the new price, new feature/benefits and same awesome 
color could entice me to buy one. Stability in a touring rig is a big 
benefit, and a long bike is going to help with stability. Stability does 
not mean sluggish and I don't see this new Atlantis being sluggish. I can't 
wait to hear ride reports on it. 

Just an aside - I'm super happy today...I just picked up my Appaloosa 
frameset from FedEx and I'm just looking at it and how wonderful the frame 
is. I have most of the parts to put it together except for a wheelset. Rivs 
are just great bikes. 

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 5:10:48 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
> Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
> tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
> yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
> little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
> from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
> but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
> to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
> hand.  
>
> The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

The one thing Rivs are are versatile machines and I don't think the new 
Atlantis can be pigeon holed like that. The original Atlantis was a touring 
bike, but how many people turned it into a trail bike?  That's the way I 
had mine set up and I never once toured on it. Worked pretty well on the 
trails. 

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 3:01:04 PM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Grant wrote, 
>
> "We've ridden a lot of bikes, lots of variations, and we live surrounded 
> by roads and trails no more than 15 minutes by bike away. It's not DP-Rocky 
> Mtn style, but as BL and JW and other locals will attest, it's hard to 
> beat. More important, we ride them. I admittedly don't have the challenges 
> of fitting bikes into elevators or navigating 3-floor walkups, and I'm 
> sympathetic to those who do, but that's what Bromptons are for."
>
>So...the Atlantis is changing from a touring bike to a Mt. Diablo 
> trail/fire road model for East Bay, non-multi-modal commuting, ranch home 
> owners? To me this is clear as mud, and it seems like a very small 
> demographic to be aiming at.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

Thanks for chiming in, Grant. I'm glad to hear that y'all are riding these 
bikes on trails much like I will be riding the Appaloosa on; the gravel 
roads around me present some good riding but have steep hills with deep 
gravel. I do think a longer bike with bigger tires is going to be a huge 
improvement over my cyclocross bike. 

Watching the evolution of Rivendell bikes has been fun for me and it is 
time to try out one of the newer designs. Bike evolution is something I've 
witnessed in the MTB world firsthand. In that world, the builders are 
feverishly working at making the chainstays as short as they can and the 
top tube measurement as long as they can (probably because going downhill 
really, really fast through berms and rock gardens is helped by that kind 
of geometry). I can tell you from my experience owning several recent Mtbs 
and living through the evolution, the geometry changes are making the bikes 
hard to get up a steep hill making the rider fight to keep the front wheel 
down and tracking correctly while keeping forward momentum. Now, they are 
still a lot of fun for bombing down twisty singletrack, popping wheelies, 
and generally acting like a kid who has had too much sugar but it's almost 
a one trick pony. 

The new Atlantis looks good!  I'm really looking forward to getting my 
Appaloosa built up and riding it. 

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 3:18:34 PM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:

> I'm with Ryan. We've ridden a lot of bikes, lots of variations, and we 
> live surrounded by roads and trails no more than 15 minutes by bike away. 
> It's not DP-Rocky Mtn style, but as BL and JW and other locals will attest, 
> it's hard to beat. More important, we ride them. 
>
 

>
> We're not moving away from anything valuable, and an extra inch or two or 
> three of chaintay is still a small percentage of the total. It just seems 
> more when you convert inches to centimeters and focus on the tire-to-seat 
> tube gap. I seriously, honestly believe that our current bikes ride even 
> better than the older ones--which have always been and still are 
> great-riding bikes.  Changes are always tough, we will lose people, it's 
> normal to question why or attribute it to some brain-change or something, 
> but the changes that you see are evolutionary and in a good direction, I 
> think.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

I have a feeling the stability offered by the long chainstays on the 
Appaloosa is going to be pretty nice for the manner in which I'm going to 
ride it. The gravel roads I'm going to take it on could use a little bit 
more stability. I don't know if the bike will fit on my Kuat rack 
though...got to find out about that. I suspect not, so it will be something 
I have to remedy. 

I could see how carrying around a rather long bike could get to be a burden 
in an urban setting. Luckily, I don't live in an urban setting and instead 
am in the country. We'll see. 

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 2:12:39 PM UTC-5, Eric Karnes wrote:

> I agree. It seems that Riv's bikes are moving in a direction that 
> coincides less and less with my own bike needs and preferences. The 
> significantly longer top tubes make it almost impossible for my t-rex-like 
> arms to utilize multiple positions even on very swept-back bars (drops are 
> impossible at any height). And the super-long chainstays are really hard 
> for city-dwellers who have to cart their bike up and down steep and narrow 
> stairs on a regular basis. 
>
> Of course, these are simply my own personal needs and preferences. Grant 
> and Co. should absolutely evolve their offerings in directions that they 
> believe in. This may not jive with what I'm looking for and that's totally 
> reasonable. For everyone who isn't thrilled with the new designs, there is 
> likely someone who it. And who am I to tell someone like Grant to how to 
> design a bike? But from a strictly selfish perspective, I do hope that they 
> keep some offerings (such as the Sam and the MUSA frames) in the more 
> 'traditional' riv model.
>
> Eric
>
> On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-4, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>
>> As a former Appaloosa owner, I'm a little disappointed to see the 
>> extra-long chainstays and 6° TT come to the Atlantis. Although the Joe is 
>> billed as an "all-arounder," IME that is quite a subjective term. I found 
>> climbing unwieldy without a sizable front load (especially on dirt), and 
>> with the long top tube, drop bars are not as feasible for some riders using 
>> Riv's suggested sizing (myself included). I would consider the existing 
>> Atlantis geo to be more all-rounder, a balance of traditional stack and 
>> reach numbers with the mid-length chainstays. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:57:24 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder why they decided to extend the chainstays - that Blug picture 
>>> looks like it has Clem/Appaloosa length stays (maybe it's an illusion from 
>>> 26" wheels?). Didn't the Atlantis already have 48cm chainstays? All the 
>>> other changes seem like a good idea to me, but this just seems like turning 
>>> the Atlantis into an Appaloosa.
>>>
>>> I started a separate thread about super long chainstays and taking your 
>>> bike on buses/trains.
>>>
>>> Eamon
>>>
>>>


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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

Stuart, your comments regarding the ride of the Appaloosa are disconcerting 
since I have one coming to the house today. I hope I get along with it, as 
this will be my first Rivendell with the long chainstays. I never thought 
the Rivs I've owned were bad riding bikes and never twitchy...I do hope the 
long chainstays don't make them handle like barges. 

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 10:30:15 PM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> As a former Appaloosa owner, I'm a little disappointed to see the 
> extra-long chainstays and 6° TT come to the Atlantis. Although the Joe is 
> billed as an "all-arounder," IME that is quite a subjective term. I found 
> climbing unwieldy without a sizable front load (especially on dirt), and 
> with the long top tube, drop bars are not as feasible for some riders using 
> Riv's suggested sizing (myself included). I would consider the existing 
> Atlantis geo to be more all-rounder, a balance of traditional stack and 
> reach numbers with the mid-length chainstays. 
>
>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ryan Merrill]

I own several mountain bikes and it really is my preferred riding 
discipline, but I would be hard pressed to spend money on an mtb that is 
still using cantis or v-brakes. 

Not that I couldn't be down with a nice rivendell mountain mixte, but the 
canti posts would not be in the "pro" column when deciding to buy it. 

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 1:33:09 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:

> ... I mean think of this:  There was a long period of time during which 
> Rivendell was the ONLY bike company who offered road and touring- type 
> bikes with rational tire clearance and a proper fit.  The beautiful frame 
> details and business ethic were simply icing on the cake.  Nowadays, you 
> can't throw a stick without hitting some me-too brand's new  'all-road,' or 
> 'gravel' or 'monster-cross' or 'adventure touring' model.  But try to find 
> a decent, steel, mountain bike that is geared toward actual trail use and 
> geometry, but without going over the tech trend precipice.   Surly krampus 
> perhaps, but they fit like crap.  What else?  Nada.  
>
> Rant over.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Ryan Merrill]

While I agree that we can do without insulting anybody, calling attention 
to an ongoing boycott of a helmet brand (also camelbak brand if you are so 
inclined...and osprey is better anyway), I would think is about as on topic 
as anti-Chinese built stuff which has been known to be a forum subject 
matter. 

I think the Op could have been a bit more clear what was what in the 
original post and thread title though. 

On Saturday, February 24, 2018 at 10:25:42 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Look man, I support the boycott and anyone who follows me on Twitter knows 
> my feelings about guns in general and the NRA specifically, but this is a 
> political topic dishonesty presented as a helmet thread. Which has now led 
> to people agreeing that it's ok to do and insulting those of us who 
> disagree. Which is why the RBW forum is not the place for political 
> discussions. Go to @josephremib on Twitter for all the politics you want, 
> I'm not doing it here. 

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Ryan Merrill]

I’m cool with boycotting and I think it can add up to change. Thanks for the 
link.

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Ryan Merrill]

I went through a time of using varuiys cateye wired computers, then to a 
Garmin 500, a Garmin 1000 explore and now I use a Garmin fenix watch. The 
garmins are nice because you don't have to clutter your bike up with a 
bunch of sensors and they seem to really work well. I've had no issues out 
of them; heck, my wife is using the 500 now. I think I have a few cateyes 
in drawers throughout the house.

I like the watch the best because I always have it with me and I can use it 
when I race cyclocross without fearing losing the garmin on the course (I 
crash a lot). I got my Garmin 1000 explore up for sale (if anybody wants it 
just give me a holler). 

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:44:03 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:

> Next in the series (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20riders%7Csort:relevance
> ):
>
> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>
> I am looking for minimal features:
>
> total distance
> trip distance
> climbing feet
>
>
> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>
>
> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
> my bike.*
>
> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Ryan Merrill]

Well, I just bought a hundred bucks worth...I know I will use it. I might 
do more later after pay day. 

This also got me off my butt to purchase the remaining parts I need for my 
Appaloosa build. Looks like I'm going to be doing the two speed single 
speed thing that the Cheviot on the blug had. It's going to work well for 
the gravel roads I ride, especially the 24 tooth lower on the Silver crank. 
I went with the chaco moose bar that was in the web specials. 

I almost...almost bought that 53cm Frank Jones frame too but I would 
seriously be living in the garage for the year, sent there by the wife, if 
I did that. It's a great looking frame and would make a killer single speed 
fasty bike, but I don't need it and I got too much wrapped up in bikes now. 
If I could sell one of the many mountain bikes I got, I might be able to do 
it butdude, I got an Appaloosa coming

I remember back in the day Riv doing a similar thing by asking people to 
purchase gift cards. I'm happy to help them out. 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:38:03 PM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:

> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Re: Homer +1 discussion

[Ryan Merrill]

I can say that the Wahoo Kickr is the best trainer I've ever owned, and 
I've owned a few of them. Easy to remove a bike on and off and no 
tensioning of the tire needed. Great product.

But, a second rear wheel is really the least expensive and still user 
friendly option. It's the way I did it for years. I had an aftermarket 
wheelset for my roadbike and used the OEM wheel as the trainer wheel. 
Seemed to work well. 

But...a second bike. Who could fault that?  N+1!!! 

On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 6:55:41 AM UTC-6, ted wrote:

> I'd suggest getting a second rear wheel built with the same rim and hub 
> and cassette. Just swapping the wheel is much less trouble than changing 
> the tire, and one wheel and a cassette is much less expensive and takes up 
> a lot less room than another bike. Alternatively, there are fancy trainers 
> that replace the rear wheel (e.g. Wahoo Kicker). Though they are expensive 
> as trainers go, I think they're cheaper than a new Rivendell, and might 
> make your trainer time more enjoyable too.
>
> If you do go the second bike route, I think it's the new one that ends up 
> on the trainer. What with shorter daylight, puddles and whatnot, your Homer 
> is going to be what you want on the road in your use case.
>

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[RBW] Re: last chance for 53cm Frank Jones

[Ryan Merrill]

Your 2 speed setup is awesome...really well done. 

I have a single speed mountain bike that I really love, so when I decide to 
really destroy myself on a trail ride I just take that. The Frank would be 
a pretty fun, and pretty, roadbike oriented SS for sure. 

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 12:19:13 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ryan, I'm in the same boat. My interest in trying fixed has really ramped 
> up recently, but I just bought a Cheviot and 2-speeded it. I'm out!

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[RBW] Re: last chance for 53cm Frank Jones

[Ryan Merrill]

If I didn't just buy an Appaloosa I would be all over it, but sadly there 
is only so much money in my wallet. :(

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:33:32 AM UTC-6, lconley wrote:
>
> There is a 53cm Frank Jones, Sr for sale on the Riv website.
>
> Laing
>

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[RBW] Re: Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Ryan Merrill]

For the most part I no longer ride on the road. I live too far away from 
work to realistically commute, so unfortunately that activity was shelved 
when we moved here. I've had a couple of bad personal experiences riding 
with vehicles (yelled at, honked at, intentionally hit, bottle thrown at 
me), local cyclists have had a slew of others, and we've had a death of a 
cyclist by a man who did not have a license because he was legally 
blind and another doctor left for dead after being hit on his tri 
bike...thankfully alive but had to quit his practice because of the head 
trauma suffered when he was hit. Locally, it has just become too dangerous 
and I opted out. 

I do all my riding now on trails or gravel roads, which thankfully we have 
plenty of. 



On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 11:38:33 PM UTC-6, J Imler wrote:

> I do my best to ride my bike vs drive, mostly because riding is a lot of 
> fun along with personal and enviro benefits. In the last six months I've 
> put 2,000 miles on my car. I'm shooting for a sub 5k year. We'll see. 
> The thing that strikes me more and more is how few people ride in my town 
> and how enclosed everyone appears in their cars. I feel like I'm sticking 
> out like a sore thumb. There's a quote I like, the one that says be the 
> change you wish to see in the world. I feel I'm living that out when I 
> decide to ride vs drive.
> Today there was some enjoyment and connection between myself and the 
> drivers though. Several waved and smiled, like they wanted to be riding 
> too. That made me feel good. 
> I'm sure every place has a different cycling culture but can anyone relate 
> to what I'm talking about?
>

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Ryan Merrill]

You could get a vintage race bike, but then you are buying a used bike that 
may or may not be in your size, or your preferred color, and have wacky 
wheel spacing, or take weird sized seat posts, ect. 

My Roadeo never rode like a vintage race bike. It wasn't near as 
twitchy...that's really the best way I can describe the difference that 
I've felt. It's quite a nice riding bike but I felt like it was unlike 
other race bikes I've ridden. 

I consider the Roadeo a high end road bike frameset, and if you compare it 
price wise against other high end road bike framesets it's price, even the 
current price, isn't that far off. What's the price of a new Trek Emonda 
SLR frameset go for nowadays?  

but still, since I purchased my Roadeo frame, which I did wind up selling 
because I don't road ride anymore, the price has gone up six hundred bucks. 

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 1:12:57 PM UTC-6, Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> I think the real problem here is the Roadeo is simply outclassed in it's 
> price bracket. You could easily get a custom geo steel road bike with a 
> carbon fork fork less. If the plan is a lightweight steel build I'd say 
> there are way better choices for your money.  
>
> If lugs are the the desire, why not get a vintage race bike?
>

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[Ryan Merrill]

Thanks for all the help, everybody. I got some pondering to do on this, but 
I think in the end I will probably end up with a bullmoose bar setup. 

On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:53:20 PM UTC-6, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>
> I'm pondering bars for my Appaloosa I ordered and have a choice to make.  
> I'm thinking about some sort of 'moose bar having already had the Bosco 
> Bullmoose in the past and liked them. My choice for this bike is coming 
> down to the regular Bullmoose bar or the Choco-moose bar but can't figure 
> out if I want a more flattish hand hold like a regular flat mtb bar or one 
> that puts my wrists like they would be on a choco bar...almost like if they 
> were on the drops of a drop bar, I guess. 
>
> I'll be using this bike primarily on gravel roads and singletrack mountain 
> bike trails with very little road riding going on, so quick handling, 
> secure gripping, and easy turning is a plus. 
>
> any ideas?  Do you think the reach to the bullmoose bars will be a bit too 
> dramatic compared to the choco bars on the Appaloosa?
>
> Next decisions will be what tires, what shifting mechanism, what crankset, 
> ect, ect, ect. (the fun part of buying a bike, IMHO.)
>
>
> thanks, 
>
>
> btw, I changed my name so no longer RJM
>
>
>

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[RBW] Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[Ryan Merrill]

I'm pondering bars for my Appaloosa I ordered and have a choice to make.  
I'm thinking about some sort of 'moose bar having already had the Bosco 
Bullmoose in the past and liked them. My choice for this bike is coming 
down to the regular Bullmoose bar or the Choco-moose bar but can't figure 
out if I want a more flattish hand hold like a regular flat mtb bar or one 
that puts my wrists like they would be on a choco bar...almost like if they 
were on the drops of a drop bar, I guess. 

I'll be using this bike primarily on gravel roads and singletrack mountain 
bike trails with very little road riding going on, so quick handling, 
secure gripping, and easy turning is a plus. 

any ideas?  Do you think the reach to the bullmoose bars will be a bit too 
dramatic compared to the choco bars on the Appaloosa?

Next decisions will be what tires, what shifting mechanism, what crankset, 
ect, ect, ect. (the fun part of buying a bike, IMHO.)


thanks, 


btw, I changed my name so no longer RJM


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[RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Ryan Merrill]

I'm still on the fence with the long chainstays Rivendell is making just 
because I haven't ridden them yet. I have high hopes for my coming 
Appaloosa though, so I will reserve mention on the chainstay length. 

What I really want in a custom is a canti post mixte frame that can take at 
least 2.2 inch tires and haul my butt around on fire roads, gravel trails, 
and singletrack mtb trails (the more buff kind, not the dh course at 
worlds) I'd actually rather have 29 er wheel size, but that is because all 
my current mtb's are 29ers and I get along with that size really well on my 
local trails. I'm a rather short dude, rode a 53 Roadeo, Atlantis, and a 
48cm Hillborne and they all fit me well so if it turns out 650b is the 
better choice I will happily go with that...Grant would have that decision. 
I would not want 26" tires though...that size is dead for mtb now and tire 
choice is limited. It will only get worse in the future, unfortunately. I 
would also like the wheels to be tubeless because that is what I run when 
trail riding. I used to have numerous flats on my tubed tires until I went 
tubeless; now flats only happen maybe once a year. Plus, lower tire 
pressure without worrying about pinch flats. It's a total win.

The reason for the mixte frame is standover height. Sometimes you just got 
to plop out of the saddle onto the ground on the trails and it's always 
better when there isn't a bar to come in contact with. Plus, I don't, and 
have never owned a mixte. I need to remedy that. Canti posts because 
v-brakes and cantis are more powerful and easier to deal with large tires 
compared to sidepulls. 

I would want the fancy lugs, Rivendell downtube decal, and that awesome 
headbadge, just because they are really nice looking. color - first choice 
would be a really nice looking purple. Second choice would be some sort of 
butterscotch. 

The silver low double crank Riv has would be a great crank to use on an mtb 
focused machine. 

Bars?  Maybe choco moose bars or just the bullmoose bars. Either one would 
be fine. 

paul brake levers, brakes (touring cantis or even motolites). 
Shifting...man, index shifting would be helpful with the ridiculous rolling 
hills we have locally. If I can get it to work with indexed in the back and 
friction for the front I would call that a win. 



On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 9:39:53 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:

> All this talk of Rivs you'd buy if Grant/Riv made it got me to thinking of 
> what my custom-I'll-probably-never-order would be. This is isn't outside 
> the parameters of what they currently build - no Hunqadiscers or F Frames 
> or cargo bikes - but a custom you can order from Mark Nobilette via Riv 
> today. Here's mine:
>
> I'd like something similar to the original Rivendell Mountain, now with 
> 650B wheels. All the fancy lugs and Joe Bell paint, Candy Apple Red. It'd 
> be a bit of a Suntour celebration with XC Pro cranks, derailers and cantis, 
> but with modern Shimano hubs, 8-speed cassette and Silver 2 shifters. Some 
> kinda retro brake levers from the CNC era, preferably with some red 
> anodizing. Bars are a tossup between original Riv Bullmoose and Nitto 
> Jitensha. Boy, now that I've typed this up it sounds like a really nice 
> bike! Your turn. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Ryan Merrill]

Man, if this fit me I would be all over it, sadly it is at least a size too 
large for me. 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:19:59 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Looks like a proto-Legolas. Buy yourself a Riv cyclocrosser and go win a 
> mountain bike race like Mark @ Riv!

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[RBW] Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Ryan Thompson]

Jeremy, 

Your CLEM is awesome!  

Ryan
Arlington, VA

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[RBW] Re: Who rides an off-roadish Sam?

[It's me Ryan]

I just shoved the 50 Cazaderos in my bronze Rosco Bubbe coming from the 
from the 42's...its so sick!

@neil - get the 42 Cazaderos. 100%.

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[RBW] Re: FS Sim Works Tomboy Stem

[It's me Ryan]

SOLD

On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 9:31:15 PM UTC-8, It's me Ryan wrote:
>
> Hi, I have a Sim Works Tomboy Stem, 80mm, Silver, 10mm rise for sale. Used 
> for about 2 days then decided I didn't like the bars. $50 which included 
> shipping from Los Angeles. Thank you.
>

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[RBW] Re: Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

[Ryan]

Hi Bob

I've found that whatever wheel components you pick, having them built up by 
a good wheelbuilder makes all the difference, unless  you have those skills 
yourself. 

My wheels were mostly built by a friend who once owned a bike shop and sold 
me my X0-1 and have held up admirably. When I ordered my mixte from Riv I 
had my wheels built by Rich Lesnick; they were about 900.00 if I recall 
correctly

32 front 36 rear, Velocity 650B with White M15 hubs , DT double-butted 
spokes. 

To my mind, wheels next to the frame , are the foundation of any fine 
bicycle, so paying a premium for a skilled wheelbuilder is worth it to me. 
I know that likely many on the list can probably build excellent wheels; 
Mr. Lindsay comes to mind

Good luck with whatever you go with.

Regards,

Ryan Fleming in Winnipeg




On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 12:29:36 PM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Thanks Jay.  Another worthy contender or possibility...
>
> A general question for all though... Just to show how old fashioned I seem 
> to be, I have always considered 32h rims a little less than truly adequate 
> for a 200lb guy (a little less these days) with some gear and tools added. 
>  I have always had 36h rims (even 40h in something of a mistake).  That 
> said, I know wheels can be magically strong if built correctly, usually by 
> someone talented, patient and practiced in the art.
>
> The R460's seem to max at 32h, and I know others ride 32h, even 28's 
> (front?), but I am curious... Are 32h rims, built well and strong, plenty 
> for the above rider and scenario?
>
> Always (over) thinking...
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
> On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 11:48:46 AM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> I've had a dyno-wheel built with DT R460s. In service for daily commuting 
>> for a year and change now with no issues.
>> +1
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: AHH 47cm

[Ryan]

nice colour

On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 10:20:10 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Not mine, not my size, it sure is pretty. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/rivendell-homer-hilsen/6461279894.html
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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Ryan Fleming]

this is a good thread and Grant,Patrick and Roberta sort of confirm my 
guess that  for the mixte with the choco-norms I should  shift my saddle 
back. Looking again at my bike I am not sure  I have too much rail to play 
with but there is some. I like drops  on  longer rides and my  favourite 
bar   for, oh,  25 years is  the moustache bar for the distances I 
generally ride. I think I'm just one of those folks who likes some lean 
(app 45 degrees)

Upright or not the bars RBW sells do allow a variety of hand positions and 
that  helps a lot.

As usual , interesting insights from the folks on the list

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 11:40:38 AM UTC-6, REC wrote:
>
> Off list I had contacted Patrick about shoulder and neck pain on my non 
> Riv bike asking for recommendations on what changes I could make on it.  
> Saddle and handlebars are about the same height.  His suggestion once he 
> saw picture of the bike setup was to move the saddle back.  I don't know 
> the right terminology, but just as the seat is "behind" the peddles on the 
> OM-1 pictured above, my seat wasn't.  I changed the saddle to one with 
> longer rails and moved it to the most back position.  This removed most of 
> my pain and I felt more balanced on the bike.  It's almost perfect.  In 
> fact, it is so good, that I'm thinking about getting a Selle Anatomica 
> saddle because I heard that because it has longer rails I can move the seat 
> back even more.   Thank you Patrick!
>
> Roberta
>
> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 1:42:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Several people have described this experience on the list. I've found, as 
>> have others, that sometimes you relieve, not only your seat, but your 
>> shoulders, arms, and hands by moving the saddle back to get more of an 
>> angle between hip and pedals, and let your torso muscles hold more of your 
>> torso's weight. 
>>
>> This happens not only with drops but with bars of all sorts, IME.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bartubes discontinued

[Ryan Fleming]

and just for grins I tried filling my cart with the new grey bar tube  and 
it maxed out at 10. All in the interests of research, of course

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:14:19 AM UTC-6, Bob B wrote:
>
> I just ordered an olive one from Riv yesterday morning. At that point 
> there were 6 left after mine. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Bartubes discontinued

[Ryan Fleming]

yeah velcro's not a problem. I have the old V-brand (holier than cow) 
version. Although I am not really a bag person, I was sorta thinking of 
another one of these but I also am thinking that I really like the revival 
of the banana bag so I might hold out for that when it lands

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 5:30:40 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I wouldn't worry about the Velcro. I've taken these bags on and off many 
> many times with no issues. 

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[RBW] Re: Wrapping Albastache Bars

[Ryan Fleming]

Mark Abele's videos make everything he does look  so effortless!  They sure 
are a pleasure to watch (and listen to). Probably not too many takes either

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:18:38 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> It's like watching an artist, isn't it? He's ridiculous!

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[RBW] Re: End of the Trail Letter from IBEX

[Ryan Fleming]

I haven't had the pleasure of owning something from ibex. Wonder what 
brought this on as the email doesn't really say. That's too bad. Sad to see 
good people making good products getting thrown out of work
 

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 3:31:51 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> https://www.ibex.com/end-of-the-trail-letter
>
> Sad day for wool enthusiasts.
>
> -Justin
>

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[RBW] Re: Fall Ride w/ Appaloosa plus random bike thoughts

[Ryan Fleming]

That Mustard Appaloosa sure blends in beautifully with those fall colours, 
doesn't it? Glad you are back on the bike. 

All the best 

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-6, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Back on the bike for the first time in almost two months, the hiatus due 
> to a bout of sciatica.  This lingering effects of this condition encouraged 
> me to ride easier than my normal fairly measured pace. Stuck to the 
> neighborhood. Cruised sedately but attentively and in slowing down got to 
> enjoy the beautiful Fall colors more fully than I otherwise might have. I 
> must say that the Appaloosa is a pleasure to ride at a slowed-down pace. 
> This is a bike whose cream accents are especially appropriate. Describing 
> the riding sensations experienced on riding a given bike is always a 
> difficult task as these impressions are always subjective. Regarding the 
> Appa, some descriptors that come to mind are "smooth,"  "stable" (while 
> remaining nimble) and yes..."creamy."  Suffice to say it is a very 
> pleasurable bike to ride.  Took some pics of the Appaloosa and Fall sites. 
> They can be found at: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmaLMdC4 
> .
> -Happy Trails, Marc
>

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[RBW] Re: Lessons in Singlespeeding

[Ryan Fleming]

Well, ever since my partner resurrected my old PX-10 as a singlespeed (and 
I do mean singlespeed) I've really enjoyed it for a number of reasons and 
I'm really glad I kept  my old Peugeot..heavy on the rotation

Simplicity
Silence
You have to work with what you've got and sometimes as the good Deacon 
observed , you have get off and walk (although not so much in flattish 
Winnipeg...however, we do have winds)
At this stage of the game, though...not ready for fixed  as my 65 year old 
knees will definitely not like it



On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 1:38:38 PM UTC-6, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Love this thread! Love this line from Deacon Patrick: "Ride till you 
> can’t, walk till you can." I like how my single-speed encourages me to 
> pedal harder than I otherwise might, to keep the cadence comfortable. It's 
> training disguised as fun.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Ryan Fleming]

o* I think a nice, light, 2-speed candy apple red Cheviot would be really 
sweet:*


*I think so , too Joe. I can't wait to see it...Ryan in Winnipeg*
On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 3:17:02 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Well now y'all got me thinking (this will be a slight thread diversion). 
> I'm not quite ready for fixed, but Will @ Riv is big on 2-speeds on 
> vertical dropouts with a chain tensioner. My soon to be here Cheviot was 
> going to get the electric treatment, but I've decided to do a different 
> bike next summer for that and focus on full-exercise riding this winter 
> (I'm WAY outta shape). I already have enough all-the-gears bikes, so I 
> think a nice, light, 2-speed candy apple red Cheviot would be really sweet: 
> One cog in the back, one big ring up front for going down my hill, one 
> small for riding back home. I already have the Silver 38-24 cranks and 650B 
> wheels from my Clem L; I just need a single cog, Gear Clamps and Paul 
> Melvin tensioner and I'm good to go. 
>
> Thanks for the idea, Patrick! It's not exactly what you're doing, but it's 
> a similar thought that will work on my terrain while keeping the frame 
> uncluttered and simple looking, a vibe I've always admired. I can't wait!
>

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[RBW] Re: Illustrated Holiday Flyer

[Ryan Fleming]

Made  me smile...I'd like that wool beanie ,too...and one of the 
buttons-of-many-colours  shirtsthe blue one ...and I like the banana 
bag. Plus the nod to Canada of course :)

On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 12:02:56 PM UTC-6, Julian Westerhout 
wrote:
>
> It is a fun flyer. I'd like the Canadian wrestling merino wool beanie 
> listed, but cannot find it on the website. Anyone see the wool beanie on 
> Riv's website? Link? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 11:02:16 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW-Holiday-Flyer-2017-FINAL.pdf?17308995836335189454
>>
>> I got a kick out of this. I really like the illustrations. I don't know 
>> if Grant did them all--there are several different styles going, but I draw 
>> like that too (the Sackvilles look like real-life studies). I like this 
>> kind of comic-y drawings with the little scribbled asides. Anywho, fun 
>> stuff, in my humble opinion. Happy Thanksgiving fellow Rivendell peoples. 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW-Holiday-Flyer-2017-FINAL.pdf?17308995836335189454
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Sam Hillborne complete, a 54cm Rambouillet complete, and a 60cm Saluki frame/fork, w XTR/Schmidt dynamo 650b wheelset, & GB fenders

[Ryan Fleming]

My goodness, those are awfully nice bikes at awfully nice prices and I am 
sure they will make someone very happy. Well-documented (from a photo 
perspective too).

On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 1:28:19 AM UTC-6, Shwangnle wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm Shawn and its time to start selling some of my Rivendell bicycles, 
> bags, clothing, racks, and ephemera. 
>
> My sale starts here with these three lightly ridden bicycles: the full 
> specifications are available at the photo descriptions. 
>
> 60cm Saluki - 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/33551746@N03/albums/72157658218913790   
> 54cm Rambouillet - 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/33551746@N03/albums/72157658611636742
> 60cm Sam Hillbourne - 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/33551746@N03/albums/72157685177639484
>
> All are in excellent condition with minimal signs of wear. You should be 
> able to see nearly everything in my photo albums, however, if you have any 
> specific questions feel free to ask either in the forum or in a private 
> message. All will be (are, to be specific) professionally packaged and 
> shipped via Bikeflights fully insured with a flat fee of $150 in the 
> continental US. 
>
> Pricing is as follows. Saluki $1800.  Rambouillet $1500.  Sam H. $1400.
>
> Thanks for looking and happy Thanksgiving to you and yours,
> Shawn
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[RBW] Re: May be a dumb question but if you've shortened your bars once can you do it again?

[Ryan Fleming]

this is maybe one instance where  trying it out might have been a great idea

when I ordered my mixte  I originally thought moustache or albastache. 
Grant said I might like Bosco but I wasn't sold on them - too high and too 
wide and then we went with Choco-norm bars flipped down and Mark did have 
to tweak things a little (chop bars and 12 or 13cm stem instead of reg 8 or 
9 cm stem) and they did offer to swap cockpits for shipping for the 1st 6 
months...one of their swaps was an albatross if I wanted.

BTW no complaint about RBW customer service here...not making this about 
that

Just want to get that beautiful custom dialed in to my riding style while 
I'm still stylin :)

 

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 12:51:54 PM UTC-6, Les Lammers wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> FWIW, I've had a hard time getting the bars 'right' for me on my Cheviot. 
> *I* never could get comfortable with the Choco Norm bar. I stumbled on this 
> http://zedmartinez.com/2016/06/rivendell-clem-smith-jr/ Perhaps it will 
> help. I got Bosco bars and am setting them up as in the article. Good luck.
>
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 11:47:33 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
>> This is about my Choco-norm bars on my mixte
>>
>> Mark at RBW chopped about 15mm or so off the ends. I still find them  
>> kinda twitchy with the longer stem...or I'm just so used to moustache bars 
>> I have trouble adapting to other bars.
>>
>> That being said, if you've chopped off your bars once, can you chop off 
>> more? Somehow I suspect  it  might not be a good idea  to take more off the 
>> ends of the same  handlebar but I'm not sure
>>
>> Thanks in advance for advice
>>
>> Ryan Fleming in Winnipeg
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: May be a dumb question but if you've shortened your bars once can you do it again?

[Ryan Fleming]

Thank you Joe; that is very  kind of you and I appreciate the offer...but 
this is probably something I'll want to let my LBS handle...probably is 
best if my partner doesn't do it. So potentially  a little shop labour and 
I'll probably need another set of the cork grips punched and grooved that 
Riv put on the bars. 

LOL once I retire I'll be able to fiddle to my heart's content. Also, still 
the option of shoving the saddle back and it might even be that the 
twitchiness will go away with the addition of something like a bar tube 
that I normally use on longer rides with the tube, simple tools ,cell, 
wallet and mini-pump.
.
On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 11:27:17 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hey Ryan, here's a thought: My pipe cutter should fit in a USPS Small Flat 
> Rate box. Send me an address and I'll ship it to you, then you can ship it 
> back when you're done fiddling with bars. It seems silly to have it just 
> laying around when most of us are only going to use these things a couple 
> times. Holla back!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo CA. 
>

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[RBW] May be a dumb question but if you've shortened your bars once can you do it again?

[Ryan Fleming]

This is about my Choco-norm bars on my mixte

Mark at RBW chopped about 15mm or so off the ends. I still find them  kinda 
twitchy with the longer stem...or I'm just so used to moustache bars I have 
trouble adapting to other bars.

That being said, if you've chopped off your bars once, can you chop off 
more? Somehow I suspect  it  might not be a good idea  to take more off the 
ends of the same  handlebar but I'm not sure

Thanks in advance for advice

Ryan Fleming in Winnipeg
 

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[RBW] Re: Banana Bag Coming Back

[Ryan Fleming]

not much of a bag person; I do have one of the bartubes before it was 
Sackville branded , but I am tempted by the new banana bag...I'll probably 
try and buy one before I retire next June

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 6:38:56 AM UTC-6, islaysteve wrote:
>
> I was glad to see that the Banana Bag is going to make a comeback in the 
> Sackville line: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/asst-mid-nov-notes-on-bike-gear-here-for-the-most-part-but-miscellaneous-things-will-creep-in
>
> I also had to laugh as the new improved Banana includes a toggle closure 
> which similar to a mod that I did on my old Banana last year.  The toggle 
> closure will make access to contents much easier (replaces a strap with 
> buckle).  The bag is great and I was thinking that Riv really should bring 
> it back so that folks here wouldn't have to find a similar one elsewhere.  
> And of course there's always bagmatching.  Will I buy one?  Good 
> question
> Reading the post about other changes to the line, I hope that the 
> Saddlesack XS doesn't go away.  I love this bag--it's my primary since my 
> rides are mostly short and it carries everything I need.  And it looks 
> great on the bike.  Cheers,
> Steve Alkire
> Kensington, MD
>   
>

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[RBW] Re: Middle of Nowhere Cycling Club

[Ryan Fleming]

hey marc...thanks for the tip. my partner's daughter has a vw van that she 
got back in running order doing a lot of the work herself. 1 xmas gift 
solved ! 

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 1:52:38 PM UTC-6, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Here is a bunch who could probably benefit from support by the people 
> around here.   I don't know how 
> I found them but they have some cool stuff.  I ordered a packet of their 
> patches, they are in Scotland so it took a couple of weeks to receive the 
> order, but I got a nice little bag with 4 interesting 2" patches and 3 
> stickers which will probably end up on my water bottles.  The patches will 
> end up on various bags (with the help of Shoe Goo), I don't know what I'll 
> do with the bag.   It might make a nice coin purse when I'm traveling.
>
>
> 
> They have T-shirts and stuff too!
>
> Marc
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Ryan Fleming]

sure are...they make me almost  want to clean up my record hubs on my 
peugeot (which are frankly disgusting   right now) but that ain't happening 
before spring. 

I've always loved the older classic campy hubs up to and including 1990 
C-record hubs. They are s smooth and so pleasing to the eye in a way 
that a lot of modern hubs are not..a .lot of the modern hubs are kind of 
boxy where these older hubs with the hourglass bodies and those curved 
skewers...man I could go on and on. 

Laing , you have to put those on a bike or at least  keep them as a desk 
ornament :)

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 10:55:03 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Oh, purty!
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 6:33 AM, lconley  
> wrote:
>
>> I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would be 
>> a good place to use them.
>>
>> Laing
>>  
>>
>>
>> 
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Ryan Fleming]

Ooops missed org post. Those are mighty pretty hubs

*NOS Campagnolo  Record Hi-Lo Hubs. They made a couple of runs of these in 
the seventies. Fairly rare. The rear is a wide six at present, I have a new 
5 speed Campy axle and a variety of Campy axle spacers that I will use,*


 I had to have my rear wheel redished  and I'm using a Velo-orange 
threadless bottom bracket(stronglight BB and 93 cranks threads were 
toasted). Point is older record hubs will work just fine for a single-speed 
application

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:50:25 AM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> those look like Campy hi-lo flange Record hubs. Very pretty. I wonder what 
> the functional reason is for the hi-lo rear hub.
>
> I use record low flange 36-hole with a 126 OL on my PX-10 (horizontal 
> dropouts) which is now a single-speed with some original French parts , 
> some Japanese , a little of this, a little of that, ratty white paint.  . 
> Sure, I wouldn't mind a QB or SO from Riv ...or this new iteration, but I 
> think the PX-10  rides and works great as a single-speed.In spite of the 43 
> or 44 old paint job  Enough so that I'm not jonesing for a 4th Riv with all 
> due respect to RBW.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:33:29 AM UTC-6, lconley wrote:
>>
>> I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would be 
>> a good place to use them.
>>
>> Laing
>>  
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QcS1cVkB5a8/Wg2TaP0eHsI/AFY/FyX8uEhigI8uScLXfMCRYhZY-xxh0XRqwCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_1615s.jpg>
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Ryan Fleming]

those look like Campy hi-lo flange Record hubs. Very pretty. I wonder what 
the functional reason is for the hi-lo rear hub.

I use record low flange 36-hole with a 126 OL on my PX-10 (horizontal 
dropouts) which is now a single-speed with some original French parts , 
some Japanese , a little of this, a little of that, ratty white paint.  . 
Sure, I wouldn't mind a QB or SO from Riv ...or this new iteration, but I 
think the PX-10  rides and works great as a single-speed.In spite of the 43 
or 44 old paint job  Enough so that I'm not jonesing for a 4th Riv with all 
due respect to RBW.



On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:33:29 AM UTC-6, lconley wrote:
>
> I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would be 
> a good place to use them.
>
> Laing
>  
>
>
> 
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Ryan Fleming]

you might wanna recheck your math 
;)

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 1:41:25 PM UTC-6, tc wrote:
>
> Singlespeeders, is your single worth $2,000 to you?
>
> Assuming whatever the 'classic single' is to be, the frame with headset 
> and seatpost are included.  Toying around with what a parts list would be, 
> and cost, assuming buying all new.  Here's what I came up with doing a very 
> quick survey of pretty good parts:
>
> 1.  Headset: ($150) Included with frame?
> 2.  Stem ($115)
> 3.  Handlebar ($125)
> 4.  Grips and/or tape ($50)
> 5.  Front/Rear caliper brakes & pads ($125)
> 6.  Front/Rear brake levers ($50)
> 7.  Brake cables and end caps ($20)
> 8.  Bottom bracket threaded English ($125)
> 9.  Single-speed Crank / spindle / arms $175
> 10. Pedals ($60)
> 11. Chain ($20)
> 12. Front wheel:  rim, spokes, 100mm hub ($200)
> 13. Rear wheel: rim, spokes, 120mm flip-flop hub (single or dingle?) ($200)
> 14. Front/rear tires & tubes (38mm w/out fender, 32 w/fender) ($100)
> 15. Seatpost: 27.2mm ($85) Included with frame?
> 16. Saddle ($150)
>
> Total parts: $1,515 ($1,750 if headset and seatpost not included with 
> frame)
>
> Frame, headset, seatpost:  $1,400 (?)
>
> Total bike & parts:  ~ $1,915
>
> Shipping: $170 East of Mississippi
>
> TOTAL bike, parts, shipping:  ~ $2,085
>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Please help me empty the bike closet

[Ryan Fleming]

That is  too bad. These are terrific brake levers at a great price. If I 
hadn't bought them I probably would have ditched my drop bars long ago

On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 11:28:00 PM UTC-6, Doug Bloch wrote:
>
> Argh! Why did the TRPs show up right after I emptied my PayPal to buy a 
> Riv-made 650b wheelset?
>
> I have a stuff I need to sell so I can get that account refilled!
>
> Doug
>
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[RBW] Re: Enjoying autumn colors

[Ryan Fleming]

Next fall for Autumn shots...earlier winter than last year :)

On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 7:35:58 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote:
>
> Thank you Ryan.
> I suppose that your mixte would look very pretty beneath leaves of 
> Canadian trees.
> I'd like to see pictures of your ride!
>
> Takashi
>
> Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> I love your pictures. So evocative! Autumn is my favourite season, but in 
>> Winnipeg , MB the autumn colours maybe last 6-7 weeks. Depending on the 
>> weather, especially the wind our trees can be pretty naked by Halloween. I 
>> do love the colours while they last though in cloudy or clear conditions
>>
>> *"A**utumn...the year's last, loveliest smile"*  From "Indian Summer" by 
>> William Cullen Bryant (or John Howard Bryant who was his brother)
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone know about cycling Death Valley

[Ryan Fleming]

Who's the scruffy character? Is it you? Whoever it is the  scenery looks 
like something out of Mad Max or High Plains Drifter or something

On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 1:17:41 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:
>
> Just took the time to find a couple of photos.  This was April 2013.  You 
> have to track it down but there is a "Stovepipe Well" and a story 
> explaining the name.  My notes show that the climb from Texas Spring to 
> Dante's View is 5,400' in approx 25 miles.  One of the guys who attempted 
> the climb noted he was doing 4 mph with 4 miles to go; should be there in 
> an hour.  Then at 3 miles to go he was down to 3 mph; still another hour.  
> He did the math & decided the downhill option was more attractive.
>
> dougP
>
> On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-8, Tim wrote:
>>
>> I'll be taking the Hunqapillar, Roadeo and either the Hilsen or MAP out 
>> there for some camping and cycling here in the next couple of weeks camping 
>> and doing a lot of riding. Any advice?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Cheviot dreaming

[Ryan Fleming]

Porsche Ruby Red  by Rivendell's current painter. I thought about this 
colour myself. Very classy!

On Cyclofiend


http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc095-cvanorsdol0406.html  


On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 10:52:51 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ooh, a red Glorius. That's sweet!

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Re: [RBW] Re: The RBW Website has a new look...

[Ryan Fleming]

I think a pride of Rivendells is certainly aptor  maybe an exaltation 
of Rivendells 

I just googled this but I remember reading Conan Doyle's White company 
trilogy; especially Sir Nigel when he's quizzed about hunting terms by his 
true love;s father

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_terms_of_venery,_by_animal  


Slightly OT but fun anyway if you love language...as I do

On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 1:28:37 PM UTC-6, lconley wrote:
>
> Is there an accepted collective noun (murder of crows, pod of whales, 
> etc.) for a group of Rivendells? If not, I would propose "fellowship" of 
> Rivendells in keeping with the Tolkien theme.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 1:57:01 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Why not start a list thread: "Post photos of all your current Rivendells, 
>> with build descriptions."
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Cheviot dreaming

[Ryan Fleming]

yeah...I'm not riding this bike thru Death Valley(which is an adventure, 
just not mine) or anything so it's not really a concern

On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 4:42:46 PM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> My custom mixte did have 2 water-bottle mounts; the 1st is topside ,the  
> 2nd is on the underside of the downtube.  To be fair here, I said 2 bosses 
> on the form but I didn't say where
>
> On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 4:25:22 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> But Mark, you don’t understand. The dream Cheviot HAS to have two bottle 
>> mounts because the Dream Cheviot is the world’s most over-prepared bike. At 
>> least according to The Book of Leah, it is. The bike would have dyno 
>> lighting and the heaviest-duty racks and giant Wald baskets and Sackville 
>> bags everywhere. Also, the Dream Cheviot would go perfectly with my red End 
>> of the World Boots - the boots I would grab if everything was falling 
>> apart. You know, like in The Walking Dead. Two bottle mounts would be 
>> mandatory if I had to outride the zombies. You can’t just have the Two-Fish 
>> thing jiggling around on the frame like that, no sir. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2017, at 1:57 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> How much more tire would that get you, front and rear? The specs say it 
>> can take a 650B/45 or a 700c/50. That is a ton o' tire. If you really need 
>> more, brake reach is listed as 65 (Tektro 559?), but if you went with Dia 
>> Compe 750 centerpulls, would that get you more height (which I assume is 
>> the limiting factor here?)
>>
>> Also, complaints about only one water bottle mount on the Cheviots are 
>> popular. I have lots of bikes with none. Most of my rides I only need  one 
>> bottle, so I have some version of a clamped on holder. If I figure I will 
>> be out all of a summer's day, I sometimes supplement with the twofish 
>> bottle thing. Not the most elegant, but for occasional use it works just 
>> fine. Or if all your riding is 40+ miles, you could use a clamped cage. The 
>> Zefal vintage cages are pretty.  I'm about to install one on my dress-up 
>> bike. Or go super duper old school retro and get a handlebar mounted cage. 
>> Fun! Or ride with a domestique or two. It's up to you.
>>
>> BTW, tip of the hat to Joe B for alerting me to the Harris Cheviot. I in 
>> turn told my friend, and she bought it then hopped in the car and drove 
>> three hours to pick it up. I'll be seeing it and helping her get fitted 
>> this Friday. Looking forward to it. Of course I will need to take a bit of 
>> a test ride!
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 1:24:34 PM UTC-8, spru...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Joe,
>>> This will be a cool bike. As long as you're getting the custom paint, 
>>> did you consider have canti posts added? That's the one thing I wish my 
>>> Cheviot had but doesn't. The frame has generous clearance, but tire size is 
>>> limited by the brake calipers. (It's certainly easier to spend your money 
>>> than my own.)
>>> David Sprunger
>>> Fargo, ND
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 12:42 AM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whelp, this started as a "let's jump on that sale" journey towards a 
>>>> Cheviot frame at a pre-sale price in a nice Roadini/RBW Blue...then I lost 
>>>> my mind. Someone on a Roadini thread mentioned getting a custom color and 
>>>> I 
>>>> thought, HEY! So I chatted with Will @ Riv and determined I could get 
>>>> anything I wanted (that fit the bike/decals) from Rick at D I pondered 
>>>> on this a while and looked at a lot of colors on the internets and decided 
>>>> a Candy Apple Red Cheviot would be the cat's pajamas. Now my pre-sale 
>>>> bargain Chev is..not such a bargain! Oops ;-)
>>>>
>>>> It's going to be just gorgeous with the cream contrasts, and is sort of 
>>>> my shot at a poor man's custom 'cause I know I'll never buy (or need) a 
>>>> true custom. It's also a bit of an homage to the Jimmy Carter bike. His 
>>>> was 
>>>> an Atlantis and a different shade of red, but that bike is what got me 
>>>> thinking about a red Riv the other night. I can't wait!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=jimmy+carter+rivendell+bike=jimmy+carter+bik=chrome.2.69i57j0l3.16939j0j7=ms-android-verizon=chrome-mobile=UTF-8#imgrc=vzkGNutcbKY_9M
>>>&

Re: [RBW] Cheviot dreaming

[Ryan Fleming]

My custom mixte did have 2 water-bottle mounts; the 1st is topside ,the  
2nd is on the underside of the downtube.  To be fair here, I said 2 bosses 
on the form but I didn't say where

On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 4:25:22 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
>
> But Mark, you don’t understand. The dream Cheviot HAS to have two bottle 
> mounts because the Dream Cheviot is the world’s most over-prepared bike. At 
> least according to The Book of Leah, it is. The bike would have dyno 
> lighting and the heaviest-duty racks and giant Wald baskets and Sackville 
> bags everywhere. Also, the Dream Cheviot would go perfectly with my red End 
> of the World Boots - the boots I would grab if everything was falling 
> apart. You know, like in The Walking Dead. Two bottle mounts would be 
> mandatory if I had to outride the zombies. You can’t just have the Two-Fish 
> thing jiggling around on the frame like that, no sir. 
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 1:57 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> How much more tire would that get you, front and rear? The specs say it 
> can take a 650B/45 or a 700c/50. That is a ton o' tire. If you really need 
> more, brake reach is listed as 65 (Tektro 559?), but if you went with Dia 
> Compe 750 centerpulls, would that get you more height (which I assume is 
> the limiting factor here?)
>
> Also, complaints about only one water bottle mount on the Cheviots are 
> popular. I have lots of bikes with none. Most of my rides I only need  one 
> bottle, so I have some version of a clamped on holder. If I figure I will 
> be out all of a summer's day, I sometimes supplement with the twofish 
> bottle thing. Not the most elegant, but for occasional use it works just 
> fine. Or if all your riding is 40+ miles, you could use a clamped cage. The 
> Zefal vintage cages are pretty.  I'm about to install one on my dress-up 
> bike. Or go super duper old school retro and get a handlebar mounted cage. 
> Fun! Or ride with a domestique or two. It's up to you.
>
> BTW, tip of the hat to Joe B for alerting me to the Harris Cheviot. I in 
> turn told my friend, and she bought it then hopped in the car and drove 
> three hours to pick it up. I'll be seeing it and helping her get fitted 
> this Friday. Looking forward to it. Of course I will need to take a bit of 
> a test ride!
>
> On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 1:24:34 PM UTC-8, spru...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Joe,
>> This will be a cool bike. As long as you're getting the custom paint, did 
>> you consider have canti posts added? That's the one thing I wish my Cheviot 
>> had but doesn't. The frame has generous clearance, but tire size is limited 
>> by the brake calipers. (It's certainly easier to spend your money than my 
>> own.)
>> David Sprunger
>> Fargo, ND
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 12:42 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Whelp, this started as a "let's jump on that sale" journey towards a 
>>> Cheviot frame at a pre-sale price in a nice Roadini/RBW Blue...then I lost 
>>> my mind. Someone on a Roadini thread mentioned getting a custom color and I 
>>> thought, HEY! So I chatted with Will @ Riv and determined I could get 
>>> anything I wanted (that fit the bike/decals) from Rick at D I pondered 
>>> on this a while and looked at a lot of colors on the internets and decided 
>>> a Candy Apple Red Cheviot would be the cat's pajamas. Now my pre-sale 
>>> bargain Chev is..not such a bargain! Oops ;-)
>>>
>>> It's going to be just gorgeous with the cream contrasts, and is sort of 
>>> my shot at a poor man's custom 'cause I know I'll never buy (or need) a 
>>> true custom. It's also a bit of an homage to the Jimmy Carter bike. His was 
>>> an Atlantis and a different shade of red, but that bike is what got me 
>>> thinking about a red Riv the other night. I can't wait!
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=jimmy+carter+rivendell+bike=jimmy+carter+bik=chrome.2.69i57j0l3.16939j0j7=ms-android-verizon=chrome-mobile=UTF-8#imgrc=vzkGNutcbKY_9M
>>> :
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot dreaming

[Ryan Fleming]

Well! Pictures of both, please ...So Chris, what colour did you end up 
going with?

On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> That was me getting the Roadini painted.  Should be there right now in 
> fact.  I also considered a red but more like a deep Merlot shade.  Bright 
> red should be very pretty

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[RBW] Re: Enjoying autumn colors

[Ryan Fleming]

I love your pictures. So evocative! Autumn is my favourite season, but in 
Winnipeg , MB the autumn colours maybe last 6-7 weeks. Depending on the 
weather, especially the wind our trees can be pretty naked by Halloween. I 
do love the colours while they last though in cloudy or clear conditions

*"A**utumn...the year's last, loveliest smile"*  From "Indian Summer" by 
William Cullen Bryant (or John Howard Bryant who was his brother)

On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 8:13:12 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I visited Aizu area in October and had great time riding there, so I 
> thought I'd share.
> Aizu is located at northern part of Japan.
> It seems that living in the area is tough (not enough flat land for 
> agriculture, heavy snowfall during winter, etc), but oh the sceneries were 
> so beautiful.
>
> I was there for two days, cloudy on Saturday and raining all day on Sunday.
> I enjoyed on both days, even during rain. Quietness, chilly and damp air, 
> they made sceneries look even more beautiful. (I'm pretty sure that Deacon 
> Patrick agrees!)
>
> Pictures:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsm787CSr
>
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The RBW Website has a new look...

[Ryan Fleming]

I like their new bike day pictures a lot. Nice to see all the rivs going 
out the door to new homes

On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 9:54:48 AM UTC-6, David B wrote:
>
> The @rivbike Instagram is used for this purpose - it's not solely owner 
> bikes, but there's a good deal of Rivs in use on there.
> David
>
> On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 2:01:38 PM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> Where they could feature a few owners bikes from all over tge world. 
>> Rotate monthly.
>> Then people could see all the different and interesting ways  Rivendells 
>> are used outside of the Creek.
>
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot dreaming

[Ryan Fleming]

I think a dark red really makes the cream pop. Actually Candy apple red 
sounds appealing. So... metallic?

And don't they say red bikes are faster?

On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 12:42:09 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Whelp, this started as a "let's jump on that sale" journey towards a 
> Cheviot frame at a pre-sale price in a nice Roadini/RBW Blue...then I lost 
> my mind. Someone on a Roadini thread mentioned getting a custom color and I 
> thought, HEY! So I chatted with Will @ Riv and determined I could get 
> anything I wanted (that fit the bike/decals) from Rick at D I pondered 
> on this a while and looked at a lot of colors on the internets and decided 
> a Candy Apple Red Cheviot would be the cat's pajamas. Now my pre-sale 
> bargain Chev is..not such a bargain! Oops ;-)
>
> It's going to be just gorgeous with the cream contrasts, and is sort of my 
> shot at a poor man's custom 'cause I know I'll never buy (or need) a true 
> custom. It's also a bit of an homage to the Jimmy Carter bike. His was an 
> Atlantis and a different shade of red, but that bike is what got me 
> thinking about a red Riv the other night. I can't wait!
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=jimmy+carter+rivendell+bike=jimmy+carter+bik=chrome.2.69i57j0l3.16939j0j7=ms-android-verizon=chrome-mobile=UTF-8#imgrc=vzkGNutcbKY_9M
> :
>   
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini build and first ride report!

[Ryan Fleming]

nice post and bike...need some green candy pedals. Actually really nice 
looking and boy, Riv sure packs their bikes well, don't they

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 3:06:21 PM UTC-5, William R. wrote:
>
> Ha! You know it Mark. That is easily done on this one!

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[RBW] Re: Oh Boy Got the '96 All Rounder Repainted

[Ryan Fleming]

Craig...that looks great! now when you put it back together , I'm sure 
there has to be some blue accessorizing or blue ano'd components or 
something to pick up that elegant box-lining.

Please show us the pictures when you have it all built up !

On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 10:45:12 PM UTC-5, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
> After 2 decades of beating the doo-doo out of my All Rounder I broke down 
> and got it repainted. Omar at Oasis Custom Cycles in Glendale (100 miles 
> away because Tucson doesn't have a frame painter) did an excellent better 
> than original job of doing the classic XO-1 burnt orange. And then I got 
> this bug up my derriere. My recessive anglophile genes started mutating 
> into dominance.I think my soul was invaded by some ancient Druidic spirit 
> and I decided to try box lining the frame (to the notes of Rule Britannia 
> pounding my psyche). Spent hours staring at the Bicycle Pin Striping 
> Flickr  https://www.flickr.com/groups/971940@N22/ and my Jack Taylor, and 
> Condor, and Holdsworth, and Mercians, and my Bates. So I grabbed a paint 
> pen from Hobby Lobby and went to town. Enjoy Rivophiles. 
>
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> Craig in Tucson
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Re: [RBW] 10x200 challenge complete

[Ryan Fleming]

Congratulations ,Bill on doing your 200K rando. And no, your 10 X 200  
challenge reports were not tiresome in the least!

On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 12:08:17 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Ian
>
> I think the Hillborne is the ideal Rivendell rando frame.
>
> I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that anybody would want or 
> expect out of a randonneuse that the Hillborne does not deliver.  Some 
> people like to do brevets on ultra light carbon road bikes, and perhaps 
> those people would gripe that a light Hillborne build is like 23 lbs 
> instead of 17, but that's definitely not me.  For a long distance road 
> bike, 622x38s are ideal.  Wider than that on 622 rims is cool for bumpabout 
> riding, or dirt, but not paved brevets.  Narrower doesn't get you anything, 
> either, so a bike with clearance for 622x38s plus fenders is perfect, for 
> me. 
>
> You want something reliable, comfortable, stable, and efficient.  The 
> Hillborne is all those things.  You want attachment points for necessary 
> rack and fenders.  Having something that is well made and beautiful to look 
> at is a bonus.  If we were to take up a collection and rounded up $3500, 
> and you all insisted that I buy a custom Rivendell identical to my 
> Hillborne but a pound and a half lighter, I'd happily do it, but $3500 to 
> save the weight of half a bottle of water is a dear price.  That pound and 
> a half would save me, what, a minute or two per 100 miles?  
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 6:17:02 PM UTC-7, Ian A wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations on surpassing your distance goal. I am curious to know 
>> what it is about the Hillborne that makes it suitable for the SR series? Is 
>> it mostly a matter of it fitting most comfortably? I've heard so many good 
>> things about the Hillborne, but never really as a randonneur. 
>>
>> IanA (who also likes being 155lb, but is carrying an extra 20lb right 
>> now). 
>>
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[RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

[Ryan Fleming]

Good luck on your ride Saturday; it is still Saturday, correct? Let us know 
how it goes

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:12:47 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I was at Riv HQ yesterday and had a longish chat with several of the 
> staff.  Will, Corey, Roman, Mark, and I waved hi to Vince.  They had been 
> paying attention to my 10x200 thing, and we talked a little bit about that, 
> and we also talked about the Marin Mountains 200k that had been a big part 
> of the focus of my training.  That ride was scheduled for Oct 14, but got 
> moved to the 28th because of the fires, so it's just a few days away.  
> I was telling Will about the bike I'm going to be using, with it's carbon 
> fiber shock fork and disc brakes.  Here's a link to the photo for those who 
> didn't see it before:
>
> NINER 
> 
>
> I made the comment to Will that it's probably my least Rivvish bike, 
> meaning that it's aluminum, with a carbon shock fork, with disc brakes, 
> etc.  It's 'modern'.  It's 'contemporary', etc.  Will disagreed.  Will said 
> he thinks it is totally Rivvish, because I've considered every part on the 
> bike, and decided on what will work for me, with zero consideration about 
> what others expect me to run.  This fork works for me, so I'm running it.  
> I want shifters on the steertube, so I made a shifter mount.  I think 
> hydraulic discs are the best, so I'm running them.  I think brifters are 
> lame, so I'm not running them.  I want 650B wheels on a Niner, so there.  I 
> want a dynamo hub, even though I'm running 15mm through axle.  I 
> commissioned a custom lamp mount.  Etc etc. The upshot is that "being 
> Rivvish" does not mean blindly following Riv's style. It means freeing 
> yourself from style-following.  
>
> Since Will is young, pale and bald, I thought we should paraphrase 
> spoon-boy
>
>
> 
>
> Do not try and bend the *style*, that's impossible. Instead, only try to 
> realize the truth...*there is no style*. Then you'll see that it is not 
> the *style* that bends, it is only yourself.
>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm toyo atlantis in oregon for 1250

[Ryan Fleming]

At least 3X

I hope someone buys it.

On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 9:28:10 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Nice that seller listed the serial number.  It does look like a good 
> deal.  A comparable new one would be at least 3X as much.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> What seems like the deal of the year to me. No relation to the sale, I'm 
>> just hoping one of you buy it so I can quit trying to rationalize having a 
>> saluki, an appaloosa, a romulus and a clementine.
>>
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/nco/bik/d/rivendell-atlantis/6353223520.html
>>
>>
>> Sky in new west  
>>
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[RBW] Re: New (old) bike day? An Eroica bike

[Ryan Fleming]

Yes it does look like one of those bikes they don't make like they used to. 
Nice find!

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 9:22:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Bob B asked whether I can fit on it.  
>
> Yes, I definitely can.  In the photo, the saddle height is set correctly 
> at 75.5cm.  The standover is around 84cm and my PBH is around 86, so I've 
> got a bit of room.  The top tube + stem length is about an inch shorter 
> than any of my other road bikes, so I'm on the lookout for a SR Custom 
> model stem in 100mm extension.  
>
> The seller of this bike had no clue how to determine frame size, and kept 
> giving me measurements that I was sure were wrong.  This model came in a 
> 57cm and a 60cm, and when I pulled the trigger I still was not certain 
> which it was, but I hoped it was a 60, and it is.  This is really one of 
> those "they don't make them like they used to" bikes.  I'm really happy 
> about it.  
>
> Bill
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 7:05:22 PM UTC-7, Bob B wrote:
>>
>> Awesome bike. Can you fit on it Bill? Looks so much bigger than your 
>> other bikes. I love the univegas of this period. Tend to have really 
>> understated but pretty colors.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[Ryan Fleming]

and I would agree that the Rivendells (I have a 97 A/R) are better bikes. 
Certainly better cosmetically. I don't think functionally my 97 Riv is 
several magnitudes better than the X0-1. The X0-1 is a fine, no frills 
bike. I'm glad I bought it and I have no intention yet of flea baying it. 
It's a fine commuter and it's fun to ride. Probably snappier than my A/R 
but I think the geometry's a little more aggressive

On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 5:54:23 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Joe: I owned a '92, and built and rode it in several configurations.* 
> Don't spend a great deal of money on one. As in my immediately earlier 
> post, any number of later, Rivendell-branded models are better than the 
> XO-1.
>
> I'm not saying the XO-1 was a bad bike, but it was a first attempt at 
> what, later, became much better.
>
> Now, if you collect frames like some people collect stamps, then yes, the 
> XO-1 deserves a pedestal for being an early '90s attempt at an all 
> rounder/country bike-type design. But for road riding, gravel road riding, 
> touring, urban commuting, what have you, the XO-1 has been surpassed long 
> since.
>
> *One build, which I recall fondly, was as my gofast: 28/38/48 Topline 
> Superlight triple, 12-19 7 speed cassette, road f and r derailleurs, 
> Cinelli Giro d'Italia 26.4 squeezed into T-Bone upjutter 25.4 (or did this 
> build have a custom Salsa?), very, very light sun M14A 559, 19 mm rims in 
> anodized purple with 8-speed Ultegra hubs, Revolution spokes, very nice 
> Specialized Turbo 559 X 22 tires (if these had been 1 cm larger, I'd still 
> be riding them), Syncros ti sp, original issue Flite (still love 'em), 
> Speedplay X-1 pedals, 7402 Dura Ace levers pulling some high end, normal 
> reach, cold forged, silver only calipers, and -- get this -- 
> GripShift-for-drop-bar shifters, big clunky grippers that fit onto the tail 
> end of your drop bar -- all plastic clicky bits.
>
> This bike had the kudos of hitting 48 mph at the bottom of a hill in a 48 
> X 12 X 24" tire (96" gear) while chasing an errant Range Rover -- 170 rpm!
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> There's one on SF Craigslist now in my size, but somebody painted it red. 
>> It's been there forever, nobody wants a non-original-color XO-1, including 
>> me. My Holy Grail -1 is the '92 tusk one with road brakes. By today's/Riv's 
>> standards of gearing, brakes and tire clearance it's a silly bike, but I 
>> think it's cool beans. But they must not have sold many 'cause I haven't 
>> seen a 48 or 52cm one for sale in years.
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[RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[Ryan Fleming]

BTW, interestingly enough the product page for Tanaka water bottle cages at 
RBW shows a well-broken in 1993 X0-1

https://www.rivbike.com/products/tanaka-stainless-water-bottle-cage-sandblast  


I wonder whose  bike...is it a customer's or employee's?

It is interesting that after 24 years these  bikes still  pop up here and 
there.Rusty or not, they seem to attract attention; even people who don't 
know anything about their cult status are intrigued by them.

In Winnipeg, MB I have only seen 1 other 1993 X0-1 besides mine.

On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 2:45:37 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm all for folks spending whatever they want for an old bike, I'm just 
> concerned about the condition of this one. But hey, if someone wants to 
> chase rust, have at it!

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[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen 65 Bike

[Ryan Fleming]

from tenor to soprano?

On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 11:05:18 PM UTC-5, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> Absolutely 65 cm. But what's a couple of cm anyways?

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Re: [RBW] XO-1 frame for sale

[Ryan Fleming]

And speaking of rust...I suspect there's a fair bit. and yeah, $950 is an 
optimistic price to say the least; especially for a frame. Hey they are 
great bikes, but it's a 24 years old frame. 

$200 and it might be a good foundation for a  great rider

On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 4:21:29 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Rust never sleeps. 

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Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

[Ryan Fleming]

Well,  very impressive

And I have been quite worried about the news of the annual wildfire scourge 
in northern California; devastation sounds appalling and from what I hear , 
these fires were the worst .  I hope California RBW ers stay safe. So 
thanks for updating us about that, Bill. Unfortunately , I guess this is a 
dry time of year  in a state that is quite dry as is evident in some of the 
photos I see.

As you may know in Canada , in BC and last year Northern Alberta we have 
had some horrific fires. My heart grieves for those folks whose homes and 
lives are threatened.

On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 2:57:59 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> This has been my first week back at work. I had gotten quite comfortable 
> with not working. 
>
> 8 bikes were in the books as of October 5 last week, and I was primarily 
> riding my "Doublespeed" over the weekend.  I did a ~30 mile hilly ride on 
> that bike on Monday, the first really bad day of the California wildfires. 
> I planned the ride to get just over 200 and I took the "finishing photo" of 
> the bike:
>
>
> 
>
>
> Starting with bike #1, I got in the habit of taking a gratitude shot of 
> the bike posing in a memorable spot on the UC Berkeley campus.  Maybe I'll 
> do a little photo-essay of all of them when I'm finished.  Anyway, I got 
> home and uploaded my Strava data and found I'm not at >200 miles, but only 
> 198 miles on the Doublespeed.  So, I'll run some quick errand soon to 
> finish that bike up.  That will leave me with just bike number 10 to finish 
> up the challenge.  Bike #10 is my Rosco Bubbe Road bike, whose primary role 
> is my daily commuter to work.  So things have fallen right into place.  
> I'll easily accumulate 200 miles over the remainder of October with my 
> daily work-commute and it'll all be done.  
>
> The California Wildfires that are still blanketing the entire Bay Area 
> with smoke have caused San Francisco Randonneurs to reschedule the Marin 
> Mountains 200k.  That event will happen on October 28th instead of 
> tomorrow.  I hope I can maintain my fitness sufficiently without doing 
> anything hazardous in this bad air.  For a couple reasons, the delay might 
> help me out.  I just invested in a new pair of cycling shoes, and so I'll 
> have time to break those in and make sure they are dialed.  I also finally 
> invested in a set of prescription sunglasses for riding, but they haven't 
> come in yet.  The delay will allow me to receive them and likely use them 
> on the 200k.  
>
> On the weight-management front I've lost 8lbs, and would like to lose 
> another 7.  
>
> So, it's all good (except for the smoke in the air, and the stupid having 
> to work thing)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 10:00:01 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Towards my preparation for the Marin Mountains 200k, I pre-rode the 
>> second half of the course today, which was really fun. The highlights were 
>> the Inverness Ridge Trail and Bolinas Ridge Trail and the near perfect 
>> weather.  It ended up being just a hair over 100 miles, with over 8000 feet 
>> of climbing.  I'm pretty tired. I don't think I've ever done a solo century 
>> before, except doing a few 200k permanents.  
>>
>> Strava does monthly distance challenges and a monthly climbing 
>> challenges. You can earn "badges" that document your accomplishments. I've 
>> been joining those challenges during this time off of work. As a fleeting 
>> moment of glory, as of right now, I'm 19th in the United States for 
>> climbing in October, out of 11,000 American Strava users who have joined 
>> this challenge. That won't last long as I head back to work, but it's fun 
>> seeing my name on a leaderboard.   
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, Ca
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 4:40:30 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> It's been worth it on many levels. Maybe on more levels than I expected. 
>>>
>>> - It's been worth it from a cycling/fitness perspective. I'm getting a 
>>> lot stronger, and a lot faster. 
>>> - I'm feeling prepared for the Marin Mountains 200k, which as far as I 
>>> can tell, might be the hardest 200k brevet on the RUSA calendar. 
>>> - I'm feeling prepared for the 2018 Mountain bike racing season, even 
>>> though I'm not one of the racers. Maybe I'll ride as a sweeper at the 
>>> races. Most of "my" racers follow me on Strava and/or Instagram and I hope 
>>> my work inspires them to work.  
>>> - I'm seeing weight loss results. There's a scale at the office that 
>>> measures your weight and estimates your body composition from electrical 
>>> impulses through your feet. At the beginning of this, I was 180lbs, 25% 
>>> body fat. I'm excited to weigh in next Tuesday. I haven't stepped on a 
>>> scale, but I see how I look different in the mirror and I see how tight 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

[Ryan Fleming]

I do like the cream with darker colours so you get the contrast. But that 
silver one-colour looks really good

On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 4:57:59 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I agree about the one-color treatment..I think the Cheviot Green on my 
> Clem L (and original Cheviot) looks great without the cream contrast 
> headtube. I actually think this about most Rivs anymore, which I know is 
> heresy. If I ordered a custom I would do the fancy cream cutouts, but pass 
> on the headtube treatment. Heresy!

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Re: [RBW] Re: SOLD; not only cheap, but fast! [FS, Pedals, Cheap, But Good!]

[Ryan Fleming]

you know I'm a software developer and we only get 2 :) 

the best cheap thing I got from Riv was that XC9000 suntour hub for ...like 
...20USD.Damnother cheap but good was Deore XT 7-speed cassette hubs 
from MEC for about 20 CDN a pop. which leads me to my next question 
...what's the best bike thing you bought that was high quality and 
inexpensive? Garage sale finds qualify

On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 4:04:22 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Cheap, good, and fast! Choose 3!
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Ryan Fleming <ryanmallo...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> goes to show that cheap is not the enemy of the good
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 2:28:35 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1. Shimano M 737, the grandaddy (or grandmama if you prefer) SPD pedal, 
>>>> a bit dirty and a little scuffed, but with bearings and clip-in bits as 
>>>> good as new. (I mean that last; the bearings, in particular, have not even 
>>>> a slight roughness.)
>>>>
>>>> $10 + shipping.
>>>>
>>>> 2. MKS GR-9, the older cousin if not the grandparent of street shoe 
>>>> pedals; bearings *better than new.* 
>>>>
>>>> Also $10 + shipping
>>>>
>>>> Takem both for $16 net + shipping.
>>>>
>>>> * Bearings manually, well, actually, pedially ("pedialy"?, polished: 
>>>> When first received, upended, filled with Phil Oil, rotated, and let sit 
>>>> for 12 hours, then rode the roughness away. Better than new! They rotate 
>>>> smoother than my new MKS Esprits.
>>>>
>>>> Residual Phil Oil included at no additional charge.
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

[Ryan Fleming]

You sure gotta love that packing job. Jenny and the rest of the crew do a 
beautiful job in that regard. Those bikes are coddled. No, they're swaddled 

BTW the seat lug looks like the one on my (custom) mixte.  It looks really 
delicate doesn't it?  You know, I really like that grey as a single colour 
without the cream. And /or it also looks really good with darker blue 
accents like the silver quickbeams or the older A/R one of the floows on 
this list has...think he posts under WETH

Nice !

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 6:13:06 PM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:
>
>
>>
> As promised. I'll ease into the build tomorrow, but wanted to savor the 
> moment. New bike days like this are rare. You can see more, and watch the 
> full build over here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/albums/72157686923388681
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: SOLD; not only cheap, but fast! [FS, Pedals, Cheap, But Good!]

[Ryan Fleming]

goes to show that cheap is not the enemy of the good

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 2:28:35 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> 1. Shimano M 737, the grandaddy (or grandmama if you prefer) SPD pedal, a 
>> bit dirty and a little scuffed, but with bearings and clip-in bits as good 
>> as new. (I mean that last; the bearings, in particular, have not even a 
>> slight roughness.)
>>
>> $10 + shipping.
>>
>> 2. MKS GR-9, the older cousin if not the grandparent of street shoe 
>> pedals; bearings *better than new.* 
>>
>> Also $10 + shipping
>>
>> Takem both for $16 net + shipping.
>>
>> * Bearings manually, well, actually, pedially ("pedialy"?, polished: When 
>> first received, upended, filled with Phil Oil, rotated, and let sit for 12 
>> hours, then rode the roughness away. Better than new! They rotate smoother 
>> than my new MKS Esprits.
>>
>> Residual Phil Oil included at no additional charge.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
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Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

[Ryan Fleming]

Bill your 10 bikes X 200 mile saga has been very interesting to read and 
quite motivational to me...I'm retiring next June. I'm not thinking PBP or 
anything like thatI wouldn't rule it out but once I retire I'll have 
more time to ride ...my Rivs which do not get ridden enough...won't commute 
with them for reasons I've listed many times.

Anyway good on you for riding and writing about it; I don't think it's a 
pointless self-challenge at all. Emphatically I APPROVE!

Regards...Ryan in Winnipeg, MB

On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 9:22:01 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> SP and DP have it correct. I’m riding almost every day and I’m doing 
> comparatively little hammering. The first three weeks of this was built on 
> a daily commute routine made up of four little six mile stages.  Anybody 
> can ride six miles at a conversational pace, but when you throw together a 
> 1000 Mile month out of many many little six mile rides, you’re already in a 
> good place to build on it. Once I had that base in August I was able to 
> throw in longer and harder big days among flatter easier cruising days.  

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[RBW] Re: Helmet that doesn't stand so tall? No teetering crockery helmet?

[Ryan Fleming]

That is a nice helmet

On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 9:44:02 AM UTC-5, Clayton wrote:
>
> I have a big head on a thin body. I suffer the same issue. The helmet I 
> like is the Giro Aspect. It's spendy, but I feel handsome when I wear it. 
> ;)  
>
> Clayton B.
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[RBW] Re: Driver: "I don't know bike language"

[Ryan Fleming]

And, Ron, your last point is very well-taken. Probably that's the best 
advice for all of us to stay safe out there

On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 5:25:47 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>
> You can't control them, but you can control you and how you communicate 
> your presence and intentions to them.  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Driver: "I don't know bike language"

[Ryan Fleming]

Agreed. I find since my accident last September, I've become even more 
conscientious about signalling , which of course, I did before but if I 
were honest I've   had some lapses from time to time.

Plus, if I can give a car a break, I will. BTW I've always extended my arm 
right or left and I also point straight ahead if I'm crossing an 
intersection and going straight to signal to those making a left turn  in 
front of me as well.

And I notice in Winnipeg , several  cyclists wear dark clothing and have no 
lights in low-light or darkness, which is suicidal IMO

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:45:51 PM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Thanks to good grace you came through safely, Patrick. 
>
> This is the reason I signal right turns with my right arm and a pointed 
> finger. The collective driving population  (even with the finest students 
> of the esteemed institutions of renowned higher learning around here) is 
> virtually incompetent of hand signals as a baseline. Me pointing my left 
> arm upward with pointing finger has been greeted by passing traffic with 
> utter confusion. It's as if they get their DLs online. 
>
> Literal as possible with my hand and arm signals around here. At worst, I 
> take the lane to protect the uncomprehending behind me. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 2:45:46 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> A friendly, though after dangerous circumstances, interaction with a 
>> driver, who attempted to pass me on a narrow blind curve despite me 
>> signaling with my left arm out and down, palm spread, then eventually 
>> waving in earnest because I could see the oncoming car, and they could not.
>>
>> Driver (as I heard him): “I didn’t know there was a bike lane.”
>> Me (waving and smiling because everyone was now safe from the driver’s 
>> stupidity): “This IS a bike lane."
>> Driver: “No. I said I don’t know bike language.”
>> Me (still waving and smiling, then giving a dumbfounded thumbs up): Oh.
>>
>> Thoughts:
>> — Drivers too moronic to not pass when they can’t see if it is clear are 
>> not likely to know “bike language."
>> — Taking the lane (riding where the right tire of the cars is) works. 
>> Thoughtful but stupid drivers give lots of room when they pass, though they 
>> fail to think through “I can’t see if there is oncoming traffic, therefore 
>> I ought not pass”. When I do not take the lane and instead ride as far to 
>> the right as I can (which I almost never do anymore), most drivers fail to 
>> see me any “fellow traffic” and only see me as obstacle on the side of the 
>> road, like road kill." 
>> — I take it hand signals are no longer taught as basic driving knowledge? 
>> Maybe they are relegated to being “bike language.” Sign.
>> — You can’t fix stupid, just stay as safe as possible by being visible, 
>> being seen as traffic, and making stupid go around you.
>>
>> Still haven’t puzzled out how to handle this any better.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.CredoFamily.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Driver: "I don't know bike language"

[Ryan Fleming]

Sometimes people  should just detach from their friggin devices and pay  a 
little attention to the real world around them. 

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 3:08:12 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I've taken the opposite approach. I figure once the moron's adrenaline 
> settles from seeing oncoming traffic stop for them "out of nowhere" that 
> some self reflection will happen. Hopefully I'm not overestimating people, 
> but yelling just triggers my adrenaline and encourages them to be mad at me 
> rather than looking at themselves a few hours from now. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 12:45:46 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> A friendly, though after dangerous circumstances, interaction with a 
>> driver, who attempted to pass me on a narrow blind curve despite me 
>> signaling with my left arm out and down, palm spread, then eventually 
>> waving in earnest because I could see the oncoming car, and they could not.
>>
>> Driver (as I heard him): “I didn’t know there was a bike lane.”
>> Me (waving and smiling because everyone was now safe from the driver’s 
>> stupidity): “This IS a bike lane."
>> Driver: “No. I said I don’t know bike language.”
>> Me (still waving and smiling, then giving a dumbfounded thumbs up): Oh.
>>
>> Thoughts:
>> — Drivers too moronic to not pass when they can’t see if it is clear are 
>> not likely to know “bike language."
>> — Taking the lane (riding where the right tire of the cars is) works. 
>> Thoughtful but stupid drivers give lots of room when they pass, though they 
>> fail to think through “I can’t see if there is oncoming traffic, therefore 
>> I ought not pass”. When I do not take the lane and instead ride as far to 
>> the right as I can (which I almost never do anymore), most drivers fail to 
>> see me any “fellow traffic” and only see me as obstacle on the side of the 
>> road, like road kill." 
>> — I take it hand signals are no longer taught as basic driving knowledge? 
>> Maybe they are relegated to being “bike language.” Sign.
>> — You can’t fix stupid, just stay as safe as possible by being visible, 
>> being seen as traffic, and making stupid go around you.
>>
>> Still haven’t puzzled out how to handle this any better.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.CredoFamily.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Zeus

[Ryan Fleming]

Never. But I almost wish I had one as Sagittarius is my sun sign. So it 
seems appropriate :)

On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 5:31:40 PM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> I take back what I said about it being low-end. Looking more carefully at 
> the picture, it appears to be a very nice bike. I wish I had looked for a 
> tubing sticker. I'm still a little shy about ogling other's bikes in 
> public, but I did manage to snap a couple pics. I'm still intrigued by that 
> rear derailleur. Anyone heard of this?
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 12:58:22 PM UTC-4, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>
>> I had heard of Zeus components, but I had never seen or heard of a Zeus 
>> frame until I read the piece in the Blug last week. Now today I went for a 
>> walk at lunch time, and what do I see locked up on the sidewalk? A Zeus 
>> bike. I'll post some pics I took later, but it appears to be lower-end than 
>> the one on the Blug. The rear derailleur is marked "sagittario Italy". 
>> Never heard of that, either.
>>
>> Chris
>>
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[RBW] Re: Zeus

[Ryan Fleming]

Jim, I do not think it is ugly at all! I really like the looks of it. Do 
you still ride it?

Ryan - Winnipeg

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 11:24:58 AM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> This Zeus was given to me by a friend - it was, in the words of Fred 
> Haefele in "Rebuilding the Indian" - a "basket case."  It had sat in the 
> friend's garage for quite a few years - disassembled and dusty.  It landed 
> with me when 650B was a new things, so that became the project.  I tracked 
> down a bunch of additional Zeus bits via the web. It's kind of pound-dog 
> ugly, but I love when the light hits the green paint.
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc060r2-cc-jim0506.html
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:58:22 AM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>
>> I had heard of Zeus components, but I had never seen or heard of a Zeus 
>> frame until I read the piece in the Blug last week. Now today I went for a 
>> walk at lunch time, and what do I see locked up on the sidewalk? A Zeus 
>> bike. I'll post some pics I took later, but it appears to be lower-end than 
>> the one on the Blug. The rear derailleur is marked "sagittario Italy". 
>> Never heard of that, either.
>>
>> Chris
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell custom by Mark Nobilette, size 58.5cm. $2000

[Ryan Fleming]

Nice components; can't see how you would do much better. Geez those WI 
cranks are good looking. Nice price if it's your size, that's for sure

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 10:30:10 AM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Nice. Are those blue King classic hubs? 
> That's a sweet bike.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell custom by Mark Nobilette, size 58.5cm. $2000

[Ryan Fleming]

agreed. Much better!

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 8:56:27 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> wow! yes those new pictures definitely showcase that awesome color.
>
> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 10:20:05 PM UTC-4, 2shelt...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> NEW PICTURES FOR THOSE INTERESTED (I think I got the message I shouldn't 
>> consider a job in photography)
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/rivendell-custom-bicycle-585cm/6303908899.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Lead Times ~ Why 8-9 Months?

[Ryan Fleming]

My understanding is that Wford is slammed but I also thought it had 
something to do with steel tubing supply...remember True Temper has elected 
to get out of the steel frame tubing business.I actually do not know what 
Roadeos,,HH, Hunqs or Atlantis bikes use for a tubing supplier but I 
assumed True Temper. When you ordered a custom you would get a breakdown 
(IME this was true for 1996 and 2001. Not so for the mixte, but I trust 
Grant knows well what he is doing)

However, on this forum , Grant posted something about having heat-treated 
and non-heat treated Silver tubing and that even though heat treating is a 
mythical benefit ; subject of a recent BLAHG ,for 2K+ bike frames made in 
the USA  heat treated tubing is specced. So maybe Wford bikes use a combo 
of  heat treated and non heat treated  Silver tubing

Just an educated   guess on my part
On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 3:09:03 PM UTC-5, Eric wrote:
>
> Apologizes if this has been addressed in a Blug post or elsewhere but I'm 
> just curious about extended lead times. 
>
> Is Waterford just slammed?
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell custom by Mark Nobilette, size 58.5cm. $2000

[Ryan Fleming]

What Joe and Kai said. I am sorry if I offended you; that was not my intent

Not my size; have some Rivendells already. It's a good price, good luck on 
the sale and I hope that it finds a good home

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 10:15:38 AM UTC-5, 2shelt...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> This is my bike, and no it was never posted here. 
>
> Frame is approximately 8 years old, and custom built for 650B. 
>
> Frame size is 58.5cm by 58.5cm. 
>
> Nitto handlebars are "Made in Japan".not sure where someone gets made 
> in USA. 
>
> On a last note if you don't like my photos, why not ask for new ones 
> direct from me?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell custom by Mark Nobilette, size 58.5cm. $2000

[Ryan Fleming]

Oh yeah.it's the US-made Nitto handlebars. 

$2000.00 IS not a bad price , though.  
On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 11:18:21 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Why do I feel like I've seen this show up here before?
>
> It is a nice bike,however...photos probably don't do it justice
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 11:10:46 AM UTC-5, Ian A wrote:
>>
>> Fabulous bike at a super great price. Not looking to buy (too big and too 
>> far away), but out of curiosity, when was the frame built and was it built 
>> for 650b?  
>>
>> IanA/Canada
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell custom by Mark Nobilette, size 58.5cm. $2000

[Ryan Fleming]

Why do I feel like I've seen this show up here before?

It is a nice bike,however...photos probably don't do it justice

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 11:10:46 AM UTC-5, Ian A wrote:
>
> Fabulous bike at a super great price. Not looking to buy (too big and too 
> far away), but out of curiosity, when was the frame built and was it built 
> for 650b?  
>
> IanA/Canada
>

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[RBW] Re: When a Riv is out of reach..

[Ryan Fleming]

Quality and value...what's not to like ; that is a nice looking machine and 
certainly Rivish in spirit.

I hope that she likes it

On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 7:48:20 PM UTC-5, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Thanks all for the nice comments. I took it for a little spin tonight and 
> it shifts easily, and climbs just fine. Upright posture makes it nice to 
> take in the world around me. I hand it over next Wednesday. If she's not 
> thrilled with it, I'll just keep it :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

Yours is a real classic too...colour looks more metallic than Toshi's 
though...just an observation

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:59:57 PM UTC-5, reynoldslugs wrote:
>
> Toshi -
>
> That bike is stunning.  The green looks pretty close to my emerald green 
> 2003 custom:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625808579123
>
> twins separated at birth?
>
> Enjoy that beautiful bike,
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

Neat...that is a real custom

What is the screw in the seat stay above the bridge to the left of your 
pump...I know it has a purpose...is it for a rack mount? So there is 
probably one on the other side I guess. How elegant is that?

On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 10:56:41 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I am so happy for you...your bike is a real stunner...built by the best!
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:10:53 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>>
>> I definitely had fun with the Rasta Paul skewers, but the other key 
>> features are credited to Mark Abele who worked with Mark Nobilette to not 
>> only implement the ideas but make it a work of art.
>>
>> Check out the front fender which Mark kept in place under the rack to 
>> maintain a beautiful curve. 
>>
>> The dynamo wiring is meticulously organized and the rear wiring is not 
>> shown in the blug  but has beautiful wire guides that are tastefully hidden 
>> from view when looking from the rear.
>>
>> Look at the rear cable stop in the last blug pic--wow that sure beats a 
>> cable hanger any day :)!
>>
>> Mark had the idea to put some extra braze-ons for the pump. I was a 
>> little skeptical because my frames tend to be a tight fit, but the pump 
>> fits beautifully. I should have had a flask holder too ;)!
>>
>> The paint is so beautiful I had to get a kickstand to protect it! I am 
>> definitely loving every minute with the bike!
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 5:01 PM Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There's a bunch of amazing pics of this on the BLUG. I know this is the 
>>> littlest thing in comparison to all the other amazing details, but I never 
>>> would have picked multicolored Paul skewers on a green frame: It's so cool! 
>>> My Cheviot-green Clem L is definitely getting those skewers.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: NYC Century on Cheviot

[Ryan Fleming]

But you finish. That's the main thing

I'm slow too...and this year even 50 miles is a stretch. We should try not 
to beat ourselves up ...but good on Antone 

On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 1:33:54 AM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Nice report!! Congrats!!
> No training! Thats how its supposed to be. Commutin' should count for 
> something!
> I dont like training either. Just riding for fun.
>
> How many days a week do you commute?
> How many miles each commute?
> Week?
>
> I mostly seem to be in back on centuries. The last guy to finish. The 
> later rest stops closing as I arrive.
> Everyone passes me. I am slow.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

I am so happy for you...your bike is a real stunner...built by the best!

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:10:53 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I definitely had fun with the Rasta Paul skewers, but the other key 
> features are credited to Mark Abele who worked with Mark Nobilette to not 
> only implement the ideas but make it a work of art.
>
> Check out the front fender which Mark kept in place under the rack to 
> maintain a beautiful curve. 
>
> The dynamo wiring is meticulously organized and the rear wiring is not 
> shown in the blug  but has beautiful wire guides that are tastefully hidden 
> from view when looking from the rear.
>
> Look at the rear cable stop in the last blug pic--wow that sure beats a 
> cable hanger any day :)!
>
> Mark had the idea to put some extra braze-ons for the pump. I was a little 
> skeptical because my frames tend to be a tight fit, but the pump fits 
> beautifully. I should have had a flask holder too ;)!
>
> The paint is so beautiful I had to get a kickstand to protect it! I am 
> definitely loving every minute with the bike!
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 5:01 PM Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> There's a bunch of amazing pics of this on the BLUG. I know this is the 
>> littlest thing in comparison to all the other amazing details, but I never 
>> would have picked multicolored Paul skewers on a green frame: It's so cool! 
>> My Cheviot-green Clem L is definitely getting those skewers.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi Tim...you make a good point about not shoving the saddle back   and  my 
other Rivs are not in the least twitchy but this one with Chocos ,  to my 
mind, is and this is after Mark tweaked it by swapping in a longer stem (12 
or 13cm) and cutting off  14mm off the choc. bars. Riv graciously gave me 
my choice of what I wanted to do. so I went with that option. One way or 
the other, I'm still a few millimeters from Nirvana but I'm also thinking 
that the configuration is just not what I'm  personally used to. I haven't 
ridden an upright bike since I was 13 or 14. Totally fixable , though, I am 
sure

 BTW not using this forum to criticize Rivendell who could not have been 
more accommodating and who built me  a  gorgeous bike.

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 12:31:35 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> Maybe this is a dumb suggestion, but couldn't one simulate cutting off the 
> Choco bars by gripping them a bit further forward from the ends. I say this 
> because I'm guessing that the "twitchiness" you both describe (a 
> description I've never heard about any Riv) maybe is due to the increased 
> leverage from gripping the very swept back Choco bars at the end (the 
> natural place one would grab, of course.) It seems the swept back bars are, 
> in essence, a lever, and the further away from the axis of rotation, the 
> easier (twitchier?) it is to turn the wheels. If you notice less response 
> when you move your hands in, then shorten the bars. I'm thinking that by 
> moving the seat back, more weight goes to the rear wheel, thus the 
> twitchiness could get worse. Full disclosure: I am about as far from an 
> engineer or bike designer as I could be. In other words, my opinion and 4 
> bucks will get you a latte, and nothing else.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

that is a beauty

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 12:19:01 AM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I picked up the custom on Saturday, and it is really perfect for me.  It 
> feels fast in handling, extremely responsive to weight shifts, but feels 
> stable.  The top tube is about the same length as the Roadeo, so the drops 
> feel extremely comfortable, and the bars are set up high so I will feel 
> really comfortable on long distance rides. 
>
> I am greatly honored by all of the work that Mark put into building up the 
> bike.  It has many thoughtful features that I hope to highlight later in 
> pictures, and the dynamo wiring was a nightmare that he fully tamed and 
> organized on the bike.  I feel extremely fortunate and lucky to have 
> received the kind of effort and attention along every step of the way that 
> was necessary to receive this bike.  
>
> --I offer this first photo of the custom quickly taken with my phone.  I 
> promise more pictures and closeups at a later date.
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Ryan Fleming]

and part of my problem I guess is that I am so used to moustache bars 
(which was my original idea) and I still ride drop bars  . I was thinking 
of the seatpost setback as another way to angle my torso more toward what 
I'm accustomed to...and with more  towards the 45 or so degrees I'm used 
to, I'll have my butt back a little and more weight on the bars. Maybe 
totally unscientific but I thought I'd explore that to get rid of the 
twitchiness that I notice...as I say that's where living close to RBWHQ 
would be a benefit :) aside from the nice folks in California.

On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 3:00:29 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ryan, you may benefit from an Albatross if cutting another inch off the 
> Choco isn't something you want to mess with. I've done major chopping on 
> the Bosco on my Clem L and still could use a little more room, which the 
> Alba would give me. 

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Ryan Fleming]

Thanks...that is good to know

On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 1:52:22 PM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
> Yes, Nitto lugged seatpost has more setback than Nitto S83 which is ~ same 
> as Nitto Crystal Fellow. According to Riv website, it's ~40mm compared to 
> ~20mm compared to ~18mm, respectively. 
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 2:42:24 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if these lugged seatposts have more setback than the S-83 ones 
>> do. Anybody know?  Reason I ask is I wonder if my mixte position would 
>> benefit from scootching the saddle back a little .
>>
>> I'm using a Brooks Select on an S-83 and I'm finding that the Choco-Norms 
>> (which were chopped a bit by Riv) reach back more that I'd like and I find 
>> the handling a little twitchier than I'd like 
>>
>> On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 1:18:31 PM UTC-5, Jay Connolly wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a never-opened Nitto S84 lugged seatpost, 27.2 x 300mm long. $140 
>>> USD, shipped. 
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>

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