[RBW] Re: FS: Giles Berthoud Aravis

[Ryan Frahm]

SOLD! Thanks all!

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 1:27:10 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Still available. 
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 2:20:07 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Bump. $275 +shipping
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:54:34 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> I splurged and bought this saddle after having some very good 
>>> experiences with the Aspen some years back. Unfortunately, it isn’t working 
>>> for me and the bike I am riding now. I put right at 100 miles in a few 
>>> rides and took it off. The cover is from RandiJo and is brand new.  I 
>>> waited for the cover before deciding to sell this. 
>>> Asking $290 +shipping. Thanks for looking!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Giles Berthoud Aravis

[Ryan Frahm]

Still available. 
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 2:20:07 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Bump. $275 +shipping
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:54:34 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> I splurged and bought this saddle after having some very good experiences 
>> with the Aspen some years back. Unfortunately, it isn’t working for me and 
>> the bike I am riding now. I put right at 100 miles in a few rides and took 
>> it off. The cover is from RandiJo and is brand new.  I waited for the cover 
>> before deciding to sell this. 
>> Asking $290 +shipping. Thanks for looking!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Giles Berthoud Aravis

[Ryan Frahm]

Bump. $275 +shipping

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:54:34 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> I splurged and bought this saddle after having some very good experiences 
> with the Aspen some years back. Unfortunately, it isn’t working for me and 
> the bike I am riding now. I put right at 100 miles in a few rides and took 
> it off. The cover is from RandiJo and is brand new.  I waited for the cover 
> before deciding to sell this. 
> Asking $290 +shipping. Thanks for looking!
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Fabs Chest small waxed cordura, OG Swift Zeitgeist Expedition

[Ryan Frahm]

Both bags are sold. Thank you!

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Correction, the Swift Zeitgeist is sold, the Fabs Cheat is still 
> available. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 11:26:08 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Fabs Chest Sold! Thank you!
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> This is a great bag that hasn’t seen much use. I used it on a couple 
>>> trips and some around town commuting but prefer my basket. It will include 
>>> the Pec Deck with uncut struts. Bag shows use but is still in fantastic 
>>> shape!
>>> Asking $215 +shipping
>>>
>>> The Swift Zeitgeist is an original that was custom ordered with the 
>>> green body and steel blue flap and side pockets. Great bag but I just don’t 
>>> use it and want to clear out some space. It has the original leather straps 
>>> to attach it but the dowel went missing at some point. 
>>> Asking $100 +shipping. 
>>> Thanks for looking!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Fabs Chest small waxed cordura, OG Swift Zeitgeist Expedition

[Ryan Frahm]

Correction, the Swift Zeitgeist is sold, the Fabs Cheat is still available. 

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 11:26:08 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Fabs Chest Sold! Thank you!
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> This is a great bag that hasn’t seen much use. I used it on a couple 
>> trips and some around town commuting but prefer my basket. It will include 
>> the Pec Deck with uncut struts. Bag shows use but is still in fantastic 
>> shape!
>> Asking $215 +shipping
>>
>> The Swift Zeitgeist is an original that was custom ordered with the green 
>> body and steel blue flap and side pockets. Great bag but I just don’t use 
>> it and want to clear out some space. It has the original leather straps to 
>> attach it but the dowel went missing at some point. 
>> Asking $100 +shipping. 
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Fabs Chest small waxed cordura, OG Swift Zeitgeist Expedition

[Ryan Frahm]

Fabs Chest Sold! Thank you!

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> This is a great bag that hasn’t seen much use. I used it on a couple trips 
> and some around town commuting but prefer my basket. It will include the 
> Pec Deck with uncut struts. Bag shows use but is still in fantastic shape!
> Asking $215 +shipping
>
> The Swift Zeitgeist is an original that was custom ordered with the green 
> body and steel blue flap and side pockets. Great bag but I just don’t use 
> it and want to clear out some space. It has the original leather straps to 
> attach it but the dowel went missing at some point. 
> Asking $100 +shipping. 
> Thanks for looking!
>

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[RBW] Re: Front basket for a Clem?

[Ryan Frahm]

I have the half size Wald 137 and love it! I always have a Swift Sugarloaf 
in it with a net over the top. Has been great on several bikes!

https://analogcycles.com/products/wald-halfa-basket-baskets
On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:19:25 AM UTC-7 John Johnson wrote:

> These are nicehttps://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/
>
> Otherwise any old front rack + a wald 137 ftw.
>
> John
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 5:13:38 PM UTC+1 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The classic answer here is the Wald 137. It's shallower than the bosco 
>> basket and looks great IMO. Crust bikes also sells a half-depth version of 
>> both the 137 and (i think) the 139.
>>
>> Brian F
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:00:19 AM UTC-5 smer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> What works well and will not break the bank? I see that Wald Bosco 
>>> basket that Riv sells, which I'm sure is functional, but sort of 
>>> unaesthetic.  Does anyone have any experience with the Pelago Rasket? Or 
>>> anything else that will sit relatively low and hold a backpack or a six 
>>> pack?
>>>
>>> smm
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Single Chain for Your Long-Stay Bike

[Ryan Frahm]

Another good option! I have used this 10 speed 136 link chain and it lasts 
forever. Splitting a chain is no big deal but I have really enjoyed not 
dealing with it. 
https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=92096=533
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> Agreed, thanks Collin. I don't mind splitting the chains but it'd be 
> easier to simply buy one long chain and be done with it. 
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 9:00:11 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Good looking out! Thanks for the tip. 
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:15:42 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a great option, but once you buy two chains once, then save the 
>>> excess, then you only need to buy one more chain for quite a lot of 
>>> intervals thereafter. 
>>>
>>> How has your experience been running the 11spd chain on 9-speed 
>>> cassettes, if any?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 8:00:57 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 If like me, you have a longstay Rivendell and have some minor 
 inconveniences with the luxurious ride it provides, I have good news! Most 
 of the Shimano 11 speed chains (which shift great on 9 and 10 speed 
 drivetrains, and last longer than the 9 and 10 speed chains) can now be 
 bought at 126 links long, which means no more cobbling together a normal 
 114 link plus 10+/- links from another chain. Maybe folks were already 
 aware, but maybe not.

 For reference, my 51 cm Joe Appaloosa with 52 cm chainstays running a 
 42/24 chainrings and 11-34 cassette requires 124 links. I'll likely pickup 
 a microshoft sword 10 speed 11-38 to go along with a new chain

 Search for: shimano 11 speed chain - Performance Bicycle 
 (performancebike.com) 
 

 Happy Riding,
 Collin, no longer splicing chains at least, in Berkeley

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Wanted: Jones LWB

[Ryan Frahm]

I am another vote to pick up a Jones on sale! I prefer the SWB for most of 
my riding but the LWB sis awesome in its own way. The SWB has replaced all 
of my other bikes. Though I still need to sell a Tanglefoot Hardtack. Drop 
bars just don’t work for me…

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 6:45:01 AM UTC-8 Mojo wrote:

> I have a Jones LWB in my quiver of seven bikes and it gets ridden the 
> most. I can imagine selling other bikes, but not the Jones. The long stable 
> wheelbase, lowish BB, short-upright cockpit, fast steering (for offroad, 75 
> mm trail), room for 3+" tires, all combine to make a unique and fun bike. I 
> recommend the sale.
>
> Joe, riding the Jones this morning before the atmospheric river arrives, 
> in GJT
>
> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 6:27:38 AM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>>
>> I know there are lots of Jones Bikes aficionados amongst the Riv crowd, 
>> so I figured this post is worth a try. I'm in the market for a Jones Plus 
>> LWB (now just called the LWB). And although the Jones Complete LWB bikes 
>> are now a very reasonable price new, I thought I'd see if there are any 
>> used possibilities out there.
>>
>> I'm open to an earlier version of the Complete bike (they're up to 
>> version 3 now). Also open to a Custom Select frame (the one with the truss 
>> fork and eccentric bottom bracket) that you've built up, or just the 
>> frame/fork itself.
>>
>> Ideally local to western/central Montana, but I know that's unlikely so 
>> we'd have to work out shipping.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Joe
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Ryan Frahm]

B-17 user her but still never 100% happy with them. I recently tried the 
cutout version and find it to be a huge improvement over the standard B-17. 
I have tried the several saddles over the years, the Berthoud is so close 
but not quite the right fit for me. The Aspen being slightly too narrow and 
the Aubisque slightly too wide. I tried the Ergon SMC Core on several 
recommendations and have never sat on anything more uncomfortable. For me, 
the cutout B-17 is the winner so far. 

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 1:20:41 PM UTC-8 Douglas Johnson wrote:

> Brenton Eastman wrote:
>
> >Anyone here have other saddles they enjoy? Maybe something 
> >lighter weight and/or more modern looking, while still having all 
> >day comfort.
>
> Jumping in on this discussion: Does anyone here have experience 
> with the Brooks Team Pro Saddle?
>
> I have a leather Idéale racing saddle inherited from my father, 
> who bought it in the 1970s. Still frankly hard as a rock (must 
> have been made from an old, tough cow). I've wondered if the Team 
> Pro is similar in shape and feel to the Idéale.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

[Ryan Frahm]

To me, I don’t notice the weight on my normal rides and commutes, I have 
racks and gear and pull a trailer everywhere so weight is what it is. I do 
notice the weight when the trail disappears on a weekend trip and I’m 
lifting the bike and all my gear over or pushing/pulling under down trees. 
If I can save 12 lbs, I will have more fun on my trip. 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 7:40:27 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This (to me) is especially true when mountain biking. The trails I like 
> most have a LOT of short but very punchy climbs. The whole experience is 
> one of doing intervals, blasting the downhills but gathering strength for 
> the next climb. My road rides these days are much more chill, without any 
> of the fast accelerations in the pack from my youth. Odd then that my 
> heaviest bike is the one I ride on the trails. Alas & so it goes.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2024, at 9:03 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>
> What makes a bike joyous is not 1 mph, 15 mph, or 23 mph, but the dynamic 
> changes between those velocities.  
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 7:25:57 PM UTC-6 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
> NJ wrote:
>
>> Chris made some good points.   I am not justifying a heavy bike, merely 
>> pointing out what you can expect if you take that trip & 'go down the 
>> rabbit hole' wrt to reducing frame weight and overall weight including the 
>> rims/tires.  You may not get your kicks on Rt 66 ('when you take that CA 
>> trip...")
>>
>> Good point on wheels.   If you maintain a constant speed, you minimize 
>> the acceleration and reduce the effect wheels have.   But real world riding 
>> has a lot of acceleration , so lighter wheels help.  The biggest effect was 
>> probably the change from STEEL RIMS to AL RIMS in rotational inertial.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 08:05:11 PM EST, Chris Fly <
>> four...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> if you just look at the numbers, you can go down a long rabbit hole and 
>> certainly justify a heavy bike.. I agree 1mph isn't anything.. what you 
>> can't justify with numbers is what a heavy bike *feels* like when 
>> riding.. some heavier bikes certainly can "ride light", but many don't in 
>> my experience.. same with heavier wheels or tires, my 650b Hilsen with 
>> Rich-built wheels and 42mm Compass tires do NOT feel like they spin up as 
>> well as my Serotta with HED Belgium tires with 28mm Vittoria Corsas on it.. 
>>
>> I would never begrudge someone riding what they want to ride, but often, 
>> heavy is just that.. heavy..
>>
>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 4:49:18 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
>> NJ wrote:
>>
>> During a appearance on The Opiniated Cyclist, Richard Schwinn stated the 
>> following:  Reducing the bike weight by 12 lbm, increases your speed by 1 
>> mph, given the same power input from testing Schwinn did.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 12:11:36 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> It will always have a dyno hub. I just can’t give up that kind of 
>> practicality. I didn’t know Paul components would save me any weight but 
>> I’m glad if they do. My Velo Orange levers were pretty feather-light 
>> already though. 
>>
>> I probably do have the Platy set up as light as I dare, save the 
>> drivetrain stuff from White Industries. And Richard has a good point that 
>> all that money would only save me a third of a pound.
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2024, at 8:40 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> Does the raspberry Platy still have a dyno hub? If so that would be a 
>> big gain as far as weight loss and lessening drag. Otherwise you have it 
>> set up fairly light from what I remember about your posts. Paul components 
>> will sure help shave some grams.
>>
>>
>> When weight is brought up the first thing Grant would say is take weight 
>> off the engine. Well I just took a massive amount of weight off the engine 
>> so I feel that I am now free and clear to be a weight weenie about the 
>> bike. :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

[Ryan Frahm]

I will say I was surprised when I weighed my 2 piece Silver crank (double) 
vs the White Industries single that I planned to put on my Susie. The 
Sliver was over a pound heavier. I think my Susie was under 30lbs but I 
never weighed it. 

I  usually don’t think much about the weight because of the racks and loads 
I’m always carrying but some parts really are just crazy heavy!

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 6:16:21 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good Morning. First, I’d never really weighed either my Clem or Gus. Only 
> thing I did was weigh myself on bathroom scale then repeat while holding 
> the bike. If memory serves I was about 32lbs. for Clem & 34lbs. for Gus. I 
> will finish putting the Clem back together while recording each of the 
> component weights. I will then try to record an accurate total bike weight. 
> If this cold spell continues I may do the same with the Gus. One motivation 
> for this is the following Gus review;
> [image: Rivendell-Gus-Boots-Willsen-Review-hero.jpeg]
>
> The Rivendell Gus Boots Willsen Hillibike Makes a Case for 550mm Chainstays 
> 
> bikerumor.com 
> 
> 
> Ron has a nice Instagram with nice details on his Gus build. But, he 
> claims 26-27 lbs.!!!
> I questioned him about this expressing my dismay. His bike is a large as 
> is mine. We have the same wheels (cliffhangers) but his hubs are lighter 
> than mine I think. His tires (Ehline) are lighter than my Honchos. His is a 
> modern 1x drivetrain (10 or 11?) with a White Industries crank. Mine is a 
> Riv standard Silver wide/low with 7 speed Jim cassette. Both have B17’s. 
> His post is a Thompson, mine is a Kalloy. We both have a Paul Boxcar stem. 
> His persuader handlebar is aluminum, my Albacore is Chromo.
> In short, I have a hard time seeing a 7-8lb. Difference given these 
> differences. But, I now am beginning to comprehend how little things can 
> add up. Whatever my Gus weighs I adore riding it. I might be over the moon 
> if I could lose 7 lbs.!! And before anyone suggests I’d be better off just 
> losing 7lbs. my weight is pretty optimized now.:)
> I hope this helps.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:57 AM, Ed Fausto  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Richard (I hope I got your name right),
>
> Please provide more details.  Like you I have a 51 Gus and it weighs 40lbs 
> and I am having second thoughts of bringing it to my next big trip.
> I am thinking of bringing my 48 Hunqapillar but I prefer the ride quality 
> of my Gus.
> I also consider myself not a weight weenie when buying parts and 
> accessories.
> But after getting my Gus, it felt heavy compared to my 48 Hunqapillar 
> (26"), 50 Atlantis (26") and 51 Appaloosa (650b).
>
> Thanks Richard!
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 9:05:10 AM UTC+8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am in the middle of a cold weather tear down / deep cleaning of my Clem 
>> L. This project started with ordering a new chain & large chainring to 
>> replace worn units. I start taking things apart and am unable to stop. 
>> Bottom bracket felt crappy so took it out and everything was just really 
>> dirty so I did not stop until I had a bare frame. In the process a couple 
>> of interesting things were discovered.
>> First item pertains to the new chainring for my Silver wide / low crank. 
>> Its aluminum of course as described by Riv. What is interesting is the 
>> original was steel and a relative boat anchor! This discovery led me down a 
>> rabbit hole of weighing everything. I have never been a weight weenie even 
>> less so since getting my Rivs. But, armed with a very accurate scale and a 
>> driveway covered in snow I started taking notes...
>> That aluminum chainring saved me 85 grams weighing in at a scant 58.5 
>> grams vs the originals 163.5. Held in ones hand that felt like at least a 
>> pound. I am curious about when Riv started making the larger rings out of 
>> aluminum?
>> The size 52 Clem L bare frame with headset cups installed weighs 2,932 
>> grams or 6lbs. 7.4 ounces, topping my list of things I did not need to know.
>> The bare fork is 1,063 grams or 2lbs. 5.5 ounces. I feel certain the fork 
>> on my large Gus is twice that!
>> My 650b cliffhanger wheels built with 36 hole deore hubs shod with 
>> Simworks Homage tires mounted with tubes come out to 4lbs. 7.1 ounces rear 
>> and 4lbs. 0.3 ounces front. Cassette and q.r. skewers not included.
>> I will be weighing everything else before assembly but probably will not 
>> bore the group with the details. I will say this; I am very interested in 
>> why my Gus weighs at least 32lbs. while another guy's weighs 26! I must 
>> find out why.:)
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Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[Ryan Frahm]

Well said, Peter.

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 4:34:18 AM UTC-8 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Studs do nothing for you in snow. They only add weight and are noisy on 
> pavement.  Studs are only useful on ice. For snow you need tall tread 
> blocks.
>
> That being said, in winter we tend to get snow with ice, so winter tires 
> should have tall tread blacks and studs.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 8:34 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
>> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
>> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
>> nothing about them. 
>>
>> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me 
>> have any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
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Re: [RBW] Studs for Winter Riding?

[Ryan Frahm]

Yes, sorry. I didn’t catch the auto correct! Mine are 27.5x2.1. The only 
others I used were right at 2”. So I can’t really say if wider helps. I can 
say that the more aggressive tread and studs have made a huge difference. 
They are about as loud as a car with studded tires though and my old set 
made very little noise. 

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:57:58 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Thank you all for your replies. Just to clarify @frahm30, are those the 
> 45N Kahva tires? I'm wondering about the fit of 2.25 with studs in my Hunq 
> frame. Worked at a bike shop this summer and saw a bike with studs (sheet 
> metal screws) that chewed into a frame! Ouch! 
>
> In the case of studded tires, does a wider tire make a great deal of 
> difference as far a traction goes?
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:41:04 PM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> I use 700x35 Nokians on my winter commuter. They work pretty well 95% of 
>> the time, but today I was about at the limit – it snowed yesterday, thawed 
>> a bit and rained, cleared off and froze hard, and then dusted snow again, 
>> so we had loose powder on top of a sheet of pure ice. For conditions like 
>> that I have some 26x2.2 Nokian Extremes that seem to be more stud than 
>> tire, and they work spectacularly well on ice (though buzzy as heck on bare 
>> pavement), but I don't have them on a bike right now so I just rode the 
>> regular commuter carefully. Don't bother with any of the cheap Kendas etc 
>> that only have studs on the sides – they say you only need them for 
>> cornering but I've fallen while riding in more or less a straight line on 
>> them multiple times.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula, MT
>>
>> Le dim. 3 déc. 2023 à 18:34, John Rinker  a écrit :
>>
>>> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
>>> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
>>> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
>>> nothing about them. 
>>>
>>> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me 
>>> have any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
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[RBW] Re: Studs for Winter Riding?

[Ryan Frahm]

Hey John, glad you got out and had fun in the snow! 
Right now I am running the 45nrth Khama tires and they work really really 
well. Last season I had the Schwalbe Marathon version and they were great 
on ice but so so at best in the slush or any inches of snow built up. I 
love the confidence of the studs, much more enjoyable to ride. They do have 
so drag but overall I think it is well worth it. 
On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:34:32 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
> nothing about them. 
>
> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me have 
> any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts – offload yours on me or talk me out of it?!

[Ryan Frahm]

I will chime in just to say that I think Richard is right about how amazing 
these bikes are to ride! In my opinion, I’d go for a Gus. If I had, I’d 
likely still have it. I’m 170lbs so on Will’s suggestion I went for the 
Susie. In my experience, the Susie turns into a noodle at speed through the 
rough. It was better with a different bar (I had a Tosco 60cm) but I bet 
the Gus is awesome with the stiffer steering. 

I think it really depends how aggressively you ride though. Just cruising 
through rough roads the Susie rode like a dream! I was just honestly 
worried I was going to break it every time I rode it more aggressively 
though. I do still jump often as a note. Just my experience. 

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 11:18:55 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Richard -
> You are more than welcome.
>
> I'm glad to hear that you are trying to express your inner joy and 
> happiness riding your bikes. 
>
> Excellent question presented.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 10:45 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Kim. I am only writing in a somewhat lame attempt to put into 
>> words the joy riding these bikes brings me. How many forms of exercise 
>> exist where you cannot wait for the next workout?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> @Richard -
>> I always enjoy reading your posts, whether it's about riding your Gus or 
>> your Clem. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 6:28 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> This exactly is why I was not disappointed when I thought I wanted a 
>>> Susie but found a Gus instead. I am 170lbs. but wanted no limitations in 
>>> regards to loading the bike or jumping it. I mean, at 68 I am only jumping 
>>> by accident, but I do enjoy the rough stuff including drops of up to two 
>>> feet. On my local trail there is this one jump, not much more that a foot 
>>> in height but it seems like more as it’s a downhill landing leading to a 
>>> flat bridge. It’s a fun feature that I did once on the Gus & the Bosco 
>>> slipped. Nothing too dramatic but alarming nonetheless. Problem has been 
>>> solved with the Albacore bar - solid as a rock. So that is still my “one 
>>> jump”.:)
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2023, at 8:53 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> From the RBW website about Susie W. Longbolts:
>>>
>>> "It’s like the Gus but for riders under 210 pounds and who promise to 
>>> ride them with loads of 25lbs or less, and no jumps or canyon-crossings. 
>>> It's a Gus for lightweights and light loads. A Susie/Wolbis frame 
>>> weighs only about 12oz less than the same sized Gus frame, and there is NO 
>>> ride difference. If you make the weight limit and have no plans for 
>>> off-road bikepacking or death-defying showoff stuff, get this over Gus. 
>>> Also, it uses a quill stem and has a Riv-standard 1-inch threaded steerer.
>>>
>>> Our 210 lb weight limit is a conservative hunch, not laboratory-derived. 
>>> A lot of it depends on tire pressure and even more importantly, technique. 
>>> It's not like the Susie has super thin-walled tubes or anything, but it 
>>> doesn't have the same abuse cushion that Gus has."
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This review is pretty convincing.
 [image: Rivendell-Gus-Boots-Willsen-Review-hero.jpeg]

 The Rivendell Gus Boots Willsen Hillibike Makes a Case for 550mm 
 Chainstays 
 
 bikerumor.com 
 
 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 20, 2023, at 2:43 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 I believe Large in this instance means 56cm, they seem open to 
 shipping. They're not coming up very often s...



 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-large-gold-rivendell/7689088638.html

 On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 9:06:25 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote:

> Thinking of getting a fatter-tired bike going for casual Zone 2 
> sorties and quiet trail riding. (Mainly need a frame as an excuse to use 
> my 
> idle Bullmoose bars... so it goes.) 
>
> If you have a Susie, what's your experience been like? Would you 
> recommend it and for what? Should I try to find a 56 cm Susie (Riv is out 
> of stock), or should I get something else?.. Should I get something 
> custom 
> made that'll be lighter?.. 
>
> - Max "idle lunchtime thoughts on this cool November day while not 
> wanting to do any work nor organize my already overflowing bike room" in 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus ride shaming

[Ryan Frahm]

Funny enough, I seem to get more odd looks on my Tanglefoot Hardtack than I 
did on my old Susie. Something about high drop bars and a basket rack 
really seems to confuse people. I did have a few “cruiser bike” comments 
with the Susie though. Doesn’t phase me at all. I get a lot of questions 
about the Hardtack, with the Susie people just thought it was cool looking. 

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 9:53:55 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> You are not wrong! To be fair I’ve ridden most of the “modern” bikes & 
> still own a full squish bike. But the Gus is more fun.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2023, at 10:49 AM, Nick Shoemaker  wrote:
>
> Wait a secaren't *we* the 'traditional' mountain bikers?! They're 
> the ones who need motorcycle parts to ride on a trail through the woods
>
>
> But yeah, I've rarely ridden my Clem on the local trails without some sort 
> of passerby amazement/amusement.
>
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 9:17:49 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not really shamed but while having a really good ride at one of my 
>> favorite trails I passed a couple of riders on their traditional mountain 
>> bikes. They caught up to me in the parking lot when my bike was already 
>> loaded into the car. They asked " was that you that passed us on a cruiser 
>> bike?" And, "what kind of bike was that, a Breezer? I answered it was a 
>> Rivendell. I do not think they had heard of that name. It was all good fun 
>> and I took it as a compliment. I am in love with my new cockpit on this 
>> bike.
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/VMbmV6jYNpQvtkNKA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus ride shaming

[Ryan Frahm]

That is great to hear Richard! Very happy that it has worked out so well 
for you. It looks awesome too! 

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:11:52 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:

> I was riding my Albastached Roadini with TRP levers on the Simi Valley 
> greenway in SoCal one time when I was greeted with “Nice Klunker bars”, so 
> I can relate to the misreading of bike components and styles by others. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 8:36:09 PM UTC rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ryan, it’s working out great so far. I’ve ridden singletrack 6 of the 
>> last 9 days for roughly 125 miles. In comfort & control. No significant 
>> hand issues and very much more responsive than with the Bosco. The bike is 
>> an absolute blast.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2023, at 8:31 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> Looks great! Those bars look like the perfect mix of comfort while still 
>> being more aggressive than the Bosco. Very nice!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:54:48 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Wonderful pictures, Richard !
>>> The first one is my favorite.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:33:32 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another.
>>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 13, 2023, at 3:19 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Richard,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Great overhead shot of the bars. Can you post some more of the bike? 
>>>> I'd love to see how the cockpit works with the rest of the bike...
>>>>
>>>> Learning from others,
>>>>
>>>> Edwin
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 8:17:49 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not really shamed but while having a really good ride at one of my 
>>>>> favorite trails I passed a couple of riders on their traditional mountain 
>>>>> bikes. They caught up to me in the parking lot when my bike was already 
>>>>> loaded into the car. They asked " was that you that passed us on a 
>>>>> cruiser 
>>>>> bike?" And, "what kind of bike was that, a Breezer? I answered it was a 
>>>>> Rivendell. I do not think they had heard of that name. It was all good 
>>>>> fun 
>>>>> and I took it as a compliment. I am in love with my new cockpit on this 
>>>>> bike.
>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/VMbmV6jYNpQvtkNKA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus ride shaming

[Ryan Frahm]

Looks great! Those bars look like the perfect mix of comfort while still 
being more aggressive than the Bosco. Very nice!

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:54:48 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wonderful pictures, Richard !
> The first one is my favorite.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:33:32 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Another.
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2023, at 3:19 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>>
>> Great overhead shot of the bars. Can you post some more of the bike? I'd 
>> love to see how the cockpit works with the rest of the bike...
>>
>> Learning from others,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 8:17:49 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Not really shamed but while having a really good ride at one of my 
>>> favorite trails I passed a couple of riders on their traditional mountain 
>>> bikes. They caught up to me in the parking lot when my bike was already 
>>> loaded into the car. They asked " was that you that passed us on a cruiser 
>>> bike?" And, "what kind of bike was that, a Breezer? I answered it was a 
>>> Rivendell. I do not think they had heard of that name. It was all good fun 
>>> and I took it as a compliment. I am in love with my new cockpit on this 
>>> bike.
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/VMbmV6jYNpQvtkNKA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: basket bag for wald 137

[Ryan Frahm]

These are super nice and on sale! I love mine!
https://www.sim.works/products/ral-wb-loader

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 6:37:39 PM UTC-7 Melanie wrote:

> I’ve got this one:
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 9:06 PM tellyoutoday  wrote:
>
>> Curious if anyone has a 137 bag they're not using.  
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[RBW] Re: Bedrock Mountain Clogs in Stock!

[Ryan Frahm]

I was so excited for the restock! I didn’t see the email before I took my 
daughter to school. In those 30 or so minutes, my size was sold out in the 
full leather. Hopefully I don’t have to wait another year for a 30 minute 
window. 

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 4:05:09 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> I had reached out to supporr, here is what they said:  Most folks are 
> wearing the *same size in the Clogs and the Cairns, however I would say 
> if you have a more snug fit in your sandals (not much wiggle room), you may 
> need to size up in the clogs. Hope this helps!*
>
>
> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 9:45:32 PM UTC-4 Teague Scott wrote:
>
>> Wow these are cool. Thanks for getting them on my radar. Wondering 
>> whether sizing runs true to their sandals...
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:29:47 PM UTC-6 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>>
>>> I had the leather ones and just purchased the green suede as a back up 
>>> pair. I have a ton of miles walked in my first pair and I'll probably have 
>>> these in rotation for as long as they make them.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:25:26 AM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:
>>>
 Hey Riv Fam,

 For any of those curious about these clogs they're finally back in 
 stock. I snagged a pair of them in Nubuck Leather. Should be great for 
 fall 
 riding :)

 https://bedrocksandals.com/collections/bedrock-mountain-clogs

 Happy riding!

 - J

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Re: [RBW] 2.25 Thunder Burt on a Platypus?

[Ryan Frahm]

I would say it isn’t likely. I have the Soma Cazadero 700x50mm on my wife’s 
55 with Cliffhanger rims and there is no room to spare. 
On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> No specific experience mounting that combo but I can tell you that 2.25" 
> tires on Cliffhanger rims, for me, measured 60mm. If you've got calipers, 
> you could check the spacing between tubes and get an idea from that.
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 10:04 AM Justin Kennedy  
> wrote:
>
>> I know it's beyond the official max tire size but wondering if anyone has 
>> experience with big ol' tires on your Platy. Specifically, a 29'er 2.25 
>> Thunder Burt (mounted on a Cliffhanger) on a 60cm Platypus. Thanks!  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Upon a Clem?

[Ryan Frahm]

I don’t think there would be an issue at all. I had the Clem H in a 59 and 
have a 90.5 PBH. I had to use a 135 stem with the Tosco bars and was more 
upright than I’d prefer. I think it would be nicer without needing such a 
long stem. Bar choice will make a big difference though. 

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 12:44:57 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
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> I have two, a Gus and an Appaloosa, and in both instances went with the 
> recommended sizing. I think it comes down to preference as said before but 
> also riding style. If you want to put drops on one of their bikes (not 
> necessarily the Clem, but in general) and are accustomed to more 
> traditional road fit then their recommendation or a size lower if you’re in 
> the lower half of the recommended PBH has been recommended. If you want to 
> run with swept back bars and a more upright position, go with their sizing 
>  or up if you’re in the top half of the range.
>
> It’s also worth calling Riv and talking it out with one of the people at 
> the shop. They’ll ask you all sorts of questions and can help you make a 
> more informed decision.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 3:00 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> Worth considering in this circumstance is how high you want your bars & 
>> how much stem you are comfortable with exposing. I ride a 52 & need the 
>> bars high. My FacePlater stem  is nearly maxed out & I need the 135 
>> extension to make it work. I could definitely ride the 59 & if I did I 
>> could use a shorter stem that would be inserted quite a bit more. In 
>> addition, that would put me on a 700c bike vs. a 27.5” one. I am very happy 
>> with what I have. Hope that helps.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Nick Shoemaker  wrote:
>>
>> I'm ~6'1 with a 91-92 PBH and ride a 64cm Clem - no regrets based on my 
>> usage as a Trail Bike/Kid-hauler (it's the best bike ever, in fact!). It's 
>> honestly the first bike I've ever had that really feels like it fits me:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> The only thing you might want to consider is if the 64 will fit your bike 
>> rack, etc. It's too long for a lot of standard racks, but I recently 
>> upgraded to a 1UP hitch rack and it fits very securely without 
>> modification. Here's what it looks like *barely *squeezing onto a 
>> standard roof rack...
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4 Jkarlin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, I'm looking to get into the Rivendell world with one of 
>>> their complete Clems. I measured my pbh at 90, which puts me pretty 
>>> squarely in the 59cm range. I wondering if any of y'all have enjoyed sizing 
>>> up--according to the website, the 64cm would be doable for me. I'm just 
>>> wondering if it'll be *good*, or if it'll be a gamble. 64cm just seems 
>>> like a lot more bike than I'm used to! 
>>>
>>> (I'm currently on a 58cm Nishiki International for everything. It's a 
>>> great road bike, but I'm looking for something with more commuting, 
>>> utility, and trail capability.)
>>>
>>> Sorry if this has already been addressed somewhere else in the group.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Front basket rack recommendations

[Ryan Frahm]

I have the Ti version of this: 

https://rawlandcycles.com/products/rando-v4-steel-rack?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard_medium=product-links_content=web

The steel is a much better deal of course for not much more weight. I’ve 
carried the over 20lbs on mine no problem. 
On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:26:08 AM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I use a Wald 137 attached to a Jack the Bike Rack with a Fifth 
> Season/Analog Cycles Squall Sack.  It's secure, and I remove it in moments.
>
> https://wholegraincycles.com/products/jack-the-bike-rack-1cB
>
> https://analogcycles.com/products/fifth-season-squall-sack
>
>
> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:16:51 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I love these: Rip Rack from Rat King, Five Rail from Pass & Stow, or the 
>> 34F from Nitto.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:26:12 PM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> That Cycles manivelle rack is slick. No zip ties, cool!
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 11:54:33 AM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In the latest PLP video, Russ brings to light a nice basket solution 
 from a company called Manivelle. The Le Porteur version is a little less 
 than 2 lbs, which is kind of amazing for a basket and rack combination. 
 The 
 standard version seems to work well with a basket bag. Looks like you 
 might 
 spend under $100 for the Manivelle.

 https://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/

 On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:19:47 PM UTC-4 ack...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Just found a screamin deal on a fully built 51 Sam. Now it's time to 
> get it kitted out. I love my Pass And Stow for the heavy duty- stuff and 
> aesthetically, it's unmatched IMO. Perhaps a bit of overkill as a simple 
> basket rack. Would love an RBW51 Nitto rack, but not sure I can justify 
> the 
> $288 plus tax. Looking for something simple and elegant and 
> cost-efficient 
> for mounting a Wald 139 Hardware-less Basket and a Tunitas 137 Tote. 
> If anybody has a well used RBW51 that they would be willing to part 
> with, I'd love to hear from you.
> Also looking for other options and would love to see what y'all are 
> using for your Wald 139 Baskets.
> Thanks!
> Alex
> a c k s f 7 8 gmail
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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Ryan Frahm]

I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I have 
to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone rims 
(Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front and 
they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with and 
the price was much better than some other options as well. 

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with either 
>> Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have had wheels 
>> from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west coast and 
>> east coast respectively.
>>
>> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
>> Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
>> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most of 
>> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
>> couple 32s.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
>>> landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
>>> looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending 
>>> business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll 
>>> do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear 
>>> is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many 
>>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
>>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 
>>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
>>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>>
>>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride report & Gus joy

[Ryan Frahm]

Looks like a great ride and time! I’m happy to hear the Gus is working out 
so well for you to complement the Clem!

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:15:29 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Great report and great pics. Thanks Richard. Your Gus looks and sounds 
> like fantastic fun. That’s what it’s all about. 
>
> On Jul 24, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LxcQTboPypPcMp5aA
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> Greetings all. I am just back from a glorious  two night bikepacking 
>> adventure on my Gus and just had to share. This was a loosely organized by 
>> invite gathering of mostly Ann Arbor area folks & titled "Meet me in 
>> Manchester". I drove from my  home in Toledo to meet up with three other 
>> riders travelling from the amazing Sic Transit bike shop in Ann Arbor to 
>> our host campsite in Manchester, Michigan. Ours was a lovely 28 mile chill 
>> paced ride over mostly smoothish gravel, rolling roads. We set up camp on 
>> arrival and once settled in the five of us wedged ourselves into our host's 
>> Ford Fiesta for the short drive into Chelsea, Michigan for a wonderful 
>> meal/brew. Once back at camp we settled in for the big event on Saturday - 
>> choosing one of four carefully sorted routes ranging from 27-85 miles. I 
>> joined one other for the 48 mile route. Gus & I found our groove on this 
>> gorgeous bike ride over more perfect, mostly gravel roads through beautiful 
>> rural countryside. We even found a little dirt / sandy two track - my 
>> favorite section. The route passed through Chelsea for another nice 
>> mid-ride meal & the ride back to camp just kept getting better. Beautiful 
>> blue sky, rolling crop fields, cool old barns & perfect gravel hills are 
>> tough to beat. By the time we returned to camp another dozen or so folks 
>> had arrived who did not have time to do the full three days. Pizza, beer, 
>> frisbee (with Nate's cherished Rivendell Frisbee) pond swimming, dog 
>> playing & giant bonfire all happened. Another night under a clear, star 
>> filled sky and a well earned sleep. Sunday morning's ride back to Ann Arbor 
>> was a shorter (22 mike) route but still beautiful & at times a bit more 
>> spirited. Every single time I crested another gravel covered hill I got 
>> giddy as a child getting to descend on the Gus. The gravel could get a bit 
>> loose but the Gus on 2.6" tires hardly noticed. The last few miles entering 
>> Ann Arbor through quiet neighborhoods was very pleasant. Ann Arbor is 
>> really a nice place to be on a bike. It is very bike friendly in my 
>> estimation. Very nice with the exception of it being the home of that awful 
>> team "up north".:)
>> I was really on the fence choosing between my Gus and the Clem L. My mind 
>> was telling me to take the Clem which weighs 2 pounds less and has the 
>> smaller 55mm tires. Logic suggested the Clem might be better for the hills. 
>> I've been on loaded rides with the Clem and had no complaints. But, the Gus 
>> is new bike and I just had a hankering to take it instead. It was not a bad 
>> decision. The 2.6" tires devour gravel. The comfort level on the Gus is 
>> unworldly to me, maybe even more so than the Clem. For me long chainstay 
>> bikes are "it". Zero drawbacks and so many advantages for my riding. It is 
>> a heavy bike, no getting around that fact. But the weight simply disappears 
>> when riding and oh how I love my 2 x 7 setup. The front derailleur is a joy 
>> to use, taking me back to a time before my bikes had 1x drivetrains. And, I 
>> may never ride another bike not Bosco equipped. Comfort is king.:)
>> All in all a really great experience that I look forward to repeating. 
>> Link to pics to follow...
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H

[Ryan Frahm]

Bike is sold! Thanks all!

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 8:55:07 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> I realize that I completely forgot to put that this is a 59cm frame! 
> Thanks Richard!
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 12:43:34 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Asking $2250
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 12:41:56 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> This Clem has been a great commuter but I’ve decided to go back to a 
>>> bike with thru axles for hauling my daughter in her trailer. I have some 
>>> cheaper wheels and might take off the racks if it there isn’t any interest 
>>> but thought I’d list it as is for now. I had the bike powder coated a 
>>> beautiful whiskey bronze before this past winter (he was able to do a great 
>>> job on the accent color). The lower tube shows wear from the cable lock but 
>>> no real scratches or chips that are through the powder. It needs a deeper 
>>> clean that I will do before letting it go, otherwise the bike is in great 
>>> shape!
>>>
>>> I believe it is a 2018 but could be a 19. 
>>>
>>> SimWorks Standalone rims with SON28 front hub/WI MI5 rear (very little 
>>> use)
>>> Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires
>>> 60cm Tosco bars
>>> 135mm FacePlater stem 
>>> Riv Silver shifters (Riv-ersed)
>>> Deore brakes with Kool Stop dual compound pads
>>> Cheap SunRace brake levers
>>> SRAM 10sp GX derailleur 
>>> Silver cranks 38/24 White Industries bolts with Blue Lug brass extractors
>>> Shimano XT cassette 11-34
>>> MKS bear trap pedals
>>> Brooks B17 (well used but still good shape overall)
>>> Pass and Stow 5 rail front rack with wall 137 basket (a scrape on front 
>>> of the rack and basket has some bends to it)
>>> Nitto R-14 rear rack
>>> Forager cable cherries
>>> Top of seatpost clamp and bolt assembly replaced with Nitto ones because 
>>> stock kept slipping 
>>> MKS fenders
>>>
>>> The fork was replaced with a new Hunq for when I had it painted. The 
>>> stock fork was just slightly off but it bugged me. The bonus is that the 
>>> new for has mounts for a low rider rack!
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any questions or want more pictures. Thank for 
>>> looking!
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 Gilles Berthoud Aspin saddles

[Ryan Frahm]

Both saddles are sold. 

On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 5:20:02 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Bump. Open to offers. 
>
> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 9:17:20 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Brown saddle still available! I found my extra Obenauf’s so I’ll throw 
>> in a jar of that. Only used once on his saddle when I got it. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 10:41:07 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> Cork and cover sold. Brown still available!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:35:11 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cork with cover sold pending payment. 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:12:53 AM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I sent you a DM on the cork. 
>>>>> I like a B17 on my upright bike, but the C17 hasn't worked well on a 
>>>>> bike with the saddle a bit higher than the bars- I think I need it to get 
>>>>> narrow quickly. In the past, a Brooks Swift worked. 
>>>>> Wondering if you (or anyone else) has experiences they'd share. I 
>>>>> know, YMMV, but still would like to hear if folks have relevant thoughts.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:23:02 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I picked up a second one of these because the first one seemed to be 
>>>>>> working out. Turns out they are just a bit narrow for me. The brown one 
>>>>>> was 
>>>>>> mounted and ridden once maybe 10 miles. It has a very small mark that 
>>>>>> can 
>>>>>> be seen in the pictures that was there when I got it from ReneHerse but 
>>>>>> it 
>>>>>> didn’t bother me. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Cork finish saddle has approximately 1000 miles on it and is just 
>>>>>> showing signs of breaking in. Still in excellent shape because it had a 
>>>>>> cover over it a lot of the time. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking $190 +shipping for the brown, $160 +shipping for the cork. I 
>>>>>> also have a brown waxed canvas cover from RandiJo made for these saddles 
>>>>>> if 
>>>>>> interested. Thrown in free with the first saddle sold!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for looking!
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto M18 rack

[Ryan Frahm]

PM sent!

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 11:40:38 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> No problem.  If anyone else on the list could use the SOMA, feel free to 
> PM me.  (Sorry for hijacking the thread.) 
>
> After posting earlier, i just found this which may be of interest.  I need 
> to study it, but may get one myself.  Price is right and I love the fact 
> that it's made in Ukraine.  Any bit of comerce we can send their way is 
> good:
>
>
> https://www.etsy.com/listing/1069612313/hyacinth-crystal-ship-handmade-stainless?gpla=1=1&_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=shopping_us_a-toys_and_games-sports_and_outdoor_games-bikes_and_cycling-cycling_accessories_custom1=_k_Cj0KCQjw1rqkBhCTARIsAAHz7K1ycNNyqnHCxvx2Hhxdhe7QZ0UAb0mdRnuqh9GLDbPfEawXxSdImMEaAigDEALw_wcB_k__content=go_1844702853_71423546322_346398450181_pla-315282688459_m__1069612313_12768591_custom2=1844702853=Cj0KCQjw1rqkBhCTARIsAAHz7K1ycNNyqnHCxvx2Hhxdhe7QZ0UAb0mdRnuqh9GLDbPfEawXxSdImMEaAigDEALw_wcB
>
> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 11:42:17 AM UTC-6 Kieran J wrote:
>
>> I think I'm gonna sit tight for the full adaptability of the M18. Thanks!
>>
>> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 9:02:54 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't have an M18 (i actually need one too), but I have this SOMA rack 
>>> that I recently prchased in its stead,  but didn't work.  If you're 
>>> interested and think it could work for your application, I'll give it to 
>>> for you a bargain;
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/soma-champs-elysees-mini-front-rack
>>>
>>> In my case, it didn't work because it interfered with my Paul Racer 
>>> centerpull brakes.  It  sits slightly lower than the nitto racks due to the 
>>> shape of the diving board.  I tried it with a nitto diving board that I 
>>> happened to have, but then the struts - which are fixed-angle - didn't end 
>>> up in the correct location.  I'm kind of bummed, because it would be much 
>>> more sturdy than the nitto.  The fixed struts and thicker diving board are 
>>> improvements if it fits.  I'd be comfortable with a much bigger load than 
>>> on the M18
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-6 Kieran J wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I need this rack to play well with my v-brakes.
 Let me know if you have one to sell.

 Thanks,
 Kieran
 Victoria, BC

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 Gilles Berthoud Aspin saddles

[Ryan Frahm]

Bump. Open to offers. 

On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 9:17:20 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Brown saddle still available! I found my extra Obenauf’s so I’ll throw in 
> a jar of that. Only used once on his saddle when I got it. 
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 10:41:07 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Cork and cover sold. Brown still available!
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:35:11 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> Cork with cover sold pending payment. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:12:53 AM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I sent you a DM on the cork. 
>>>> I like a B17 on my upright bike, but the C17 hasn't worked well on a 
>>>> bike with the saddle a bit higher than the bars- I think I need it to get 
>>>> narrow quickly. In the past, a Brooks Swift worked. 
>>>> Wondering if you (or anyone else) has experiences they'd share. I know, 
>>>> YMMV, but still would like to hear if folks have relevant thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:23:02 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I picked up a second one of these because the first one seemed to be 
>>>>> working out. Turns out they are just a bit narrow for me. The brown one 
>>>>> was 
>>>>> mounted and ridden once maybe 10 miles. It has a very small mark that can 
>>>>> be seen in the pictures that was there when I got it from ReneHerse but 
>>>>> it 
>>>>> didn’t bother me. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The Cork finish saddle has approximately 1000 miles on it and is just 
>>>>> showing signs of breaking in. Still in excellent shape because it had a 
>>>>> cover over it a lot of the time. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Asking $190 +shipping for the brown, $160 +shipping for the cork. I 
>>>>> also have a brown waxed canvas cover from RandiJo made for these saddles 
>>>>> if 
>>>>> interested. Thrown in free with the first saddle sold!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for looking!
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 Gilles Berthoud Aspin saddles

[Ryan Frahm]

Brown saddle still available! I found my extra Obenauf’s so I’ll throw in a 
jar of that. Only used once on his saddle when I got it. 

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 10:41:07 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Cork and cover sold. Brown still available!
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:35:11 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Cork with cover sold pending payment. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:12:53 AM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I sent you a DM on the cork. 
>>> I like a B17 on my upright bike, but the C17 hasn't worked well on a 
>>> bike with the saddle a bit higher than the bars- I think I need it to get 
>>> narrow quickly. In the past, a Brooks Swift worked. 
>>> Wondering if you (or anyone else) has experiences they'd share. I know, 
>>> YMMV, but still would like to hear if folks have relevant thoughts.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:23:02 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I picked up a second one of these because the first one seemed to be 
>>>> working out. Turns out they are just a bit narrow for me. The brown one 
>>>> was 
>>>> mounted and ridden once maybe 10 miles. It has a very small mark that can 
>>>> be seen in the pictures that was there when I got it from ReneHerse but it 
>>>> didn’t bother me. 
>>>>
>>>> The Cork finish saddle has approximately 1000 miles on it and is just 
>>>> showing signs of breaking in. Still in excellent shape because it had a 
>>>> cover over it a lot of the time. 
>>>>
>>>> Asking $190 +shipping for the brown, $160 +shipping for the cork. I 
>>>> also have a brown waxed canvas cover from RandiJo made for these saddles 
>>>> if 
>>>> interested. Thrown in free with the first saddle sold!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for looking!
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H

[Ryan Frahm]

I realize that I completely forgot to put that this is a 59cm frame! Thanks 
Richard!

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 12:43:34 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Asking $2250
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 12:41:56 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> This Clem has been a great commuter but I’ve decided to go back to a bike 
>> with thru axles for hauling my daughter in her trailer. I have some cheaper 
>> wheels and might take off the racks if it there isn’t any interest but 
>> thought I’d list it as is for now. I had the bike powder coated a beautiful 
>> whiskey bronze before this past winter (he was able to do a great job on 
>> the accent color). The lower tube shows wear from the cable lock but no 
>> real scratches or chips that are through the powder. It needs a deeper 
>> clean that I will do before letting it go, otherwise the bike is in great 
>> shape!
>>
>> I believe it is a 2018 but could be a 19. 
>>
>> SimWorks Standalone rims with SON28 front hub/WI MI5 rear (very little 
>> use)
>> Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires
>> 60cm Tosco bars
>> 135mm FacePlater stem 
>> Riv Silver shifters (Riv-ersed)
>> Deore brakes with Kool Stop dual compound pads
>> Cheap SunRace brake levers
>> SRAM 10sp GX derailleur 
>> Silver cranks 38/24 White Industries bolts with Blue Lug brass extractors
>> Shimano XT cassette 11-34
>> MKS bear trap pedals
>> Brooks B17 (well used but still good shape overall)
>> Pass and Stow 5 rail front rack with wall 137 basket (a scrape on front 
>> of the rack and basket has some bends to it)
>> Nitto R-14 rear rack
>> Forager cable cherries
>> Top of seatpost clamp and bolt assembly replaced with Nitto ones because 
>> stock kept slipping 
>> MKS fenders
>>
>> The fork was replaced with a new Hunq for when I had it painted. The 
>> stock fork was just slightly off but it bugged me. The bonus is that the 
>> new for has mounts for a low rider rack!
>>
>> Let me know if you have any questions or want more pictures. Thank for 
>> looking!
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H

[Ryan Frahm]

Asking $2250

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 12:41:56 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> This Clem has been a great commuter but I’ve decided to go back to a bike 
> with thru axles for hauling my daughter in her trailer. I have some cheaper 
> wheels and might take off the racks if it there isn’t any interest but 
> thought I’d list it as is for now. I had the bike powder coated a beautiful 
> whiskey bronze before this past winter (he was able to do a great job on 
> the accent color). The lower tube shows wear from the cable lock but no 
> real scratches or chips that are through the powder. It needs a deeper 
> clean that I will do before letting it go, otherwise the bike is in great 
> shape!
>
> I believe it is a 2018 but could be a 19. 
>
> SimWorks Standalone rims with SON28 front hub/WI MI5 rear (very little use)
> Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires
> 60cm Tosco bars
> 135mm FacePlater stem 
> Riv Silver shifters (Riv-ersed)
> Deore brakes with Kool Stop dual compound pads
> Cheap SunRace brake levers
> SRAM 10sp GX derailleur 
> Silver cranks 38/24 White Industries bolts with Blue Lug brass extractors
> Shimano XT cassette 11-34
> MKS bear trap pedals
> Brooks B17 (well used but still good shape overall)
> Pass and Stow 5 rail front rack with wall 137 basket (a scrape on front of 
> the rack and basket has some bends to it)
> Nitto R-14 rear rack
> Forager cable cherries
> Top of seatpost clamp and bolt assembly replaced with Nitto ones because 
> stock kept slipping 
> MKS fenders
>
> The fork was replaced with a new Hunq for when I had it painted. The stock 
> fork was just slightly off but it bugged me. The bonus is that the new for 
> has mounts for a low rider rack!
>
> Let me know if you have any questions or want more pictures. Thank for 
> looking!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 Gilles Berthoud Aspin saddles

[Ryan Frahm]

Cork and cover sold. Brown still available!

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:35:11 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Cork with cover sold pending payment. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:12:53 AM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I sent you a DM on the cork. 
>> I like a B17 on my upright bike, but the C17 hasn't worked well on a bike 
>> with the saddle a bit higher than the bars- I think I need it to get narrow 
>> quickly. In the past, a Brooks Swift worked. 
>> Wondering if you (or anyone else) has experiences they'd share. I know, 
>> YMMV, but still would like to hear if folks have relevant thoughts.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:23:02 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I picked up a second one of these because the first one seemed to be 
>>> working out. Turns out they are just a bit narrow for me. The brown one was 
>>> mounted and ridden once maybe 10 miles. It has a very small mark that can 
>>> be seen in the pictures that was there when I got it from ReneHerse but it 
>>> didn’t bother me. 
>>>
>>> The Cork finish saddle has approximately 1000 miles on it and is just 
>>> showing signs of breaking in. Still in excellent shape because it had a 
>>> cover over it a lot of the time. 
>>>
>>> Asking $190 +shipping for the brown, $160 +shipping for the cork. I also 
>>> have a brown waxed canvas cover from RandiJo made for these saddles if 
>>> interested. Thrown in free with the first saddle sold!
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 Gilles Berthoud Aspin saddles

[Ryan Frahm]

Cork with cover sold pending payment. 

Thanks!

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:12:53 AM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> I sent you a DM on the cork. 
> I like a B17 on my upright bike, but the C17 hasn't worked well on a bike 
> with the saddle a bit higher than the bars- I think I need it to get narrow 
> quickly. In the past, a Brooks Swift worked. 
> Wondering if you (or anyone else) has experiences they'd share. I know, 
> YMMV, but still would like to hear if folks have relevant thoughts.
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:23:02 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I picked up a second one of these because the first one seemed to be 
>> working out. Turns out they are just a bit narrow for me. The brown one was 
>> mounted and ridden once maybe 10 miles. It has a very small mark that can 
>> be seen in the pictures that was there when I got it from ReneHerse but it 
>> didn’t bother me. 
>>
>> The Cork finish saddle has approximately 1000 miles on it and is just 
>> showing signs of breaking in. Still in excellent shape because it had a 
>> cover over it a lot of the time. 
>>
>> Asking $190 +shipping for the brown, $160 +shipping for the cork. I also 
>> have a brown waxed canvas cover from RandiJo made for these saddles if 
>> interested. Thrown in free with the first saddle sold!
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Ryan Frahm]

Are there not going to be canti mounts on the production? That’s a huge 
mistake (deal breaker) in my opinion. These look like such a nice and fun 
bikes!

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:

> Jason, it looks like such a solid and perfect commuter, I was surprised 
> when you let it go. Makes me want one, if only production models had canti 
> posts... Its nice having a dedicated fendered and racked bike. I recently 
> took off the front basket rack from my Joe to take it on some single track 
> adventures. It was meant to be temporary but the lightened front end feels 
> so good.. makes me want to have a different dedicated basket rack/fender 
> city bike. Bikesnob had some similar musings about his rock combo and homer 
> recently.
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dustin, Eric - indeed it's an Abus Bordo lock.  A little heavier 
>> than a similar strength U-lock but it's handy having it on the frame where 
>> I can't forget it.  I'm glad to hear the production run is secured it 
>> sounds like, I suppose the quietness is just because they're in the waiting 
>> phase now. 
>>
>> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 08:28:07 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Looks great, Jason, and sounds like a good compliment to your other 
>>> bikes. It's cool to have your rigs squared and sorted for particular 
>>> purposes. 
>>>
>>> Dustin — I'm not 100% but I think that might be a seat-tube mounted 
>>> folding lock that has a cage that mounts to the bottle bosses. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:13:33 AM UTC-4 DJC wrote:
>>>
 I spoke with Vince three or four months ago about the Charlie project 
 and he said they have it slotted for a 2024 production run. Hopefully this 
 will happen, as I'm definitely interested in one as a daily commuter to 
 complement my Clem H. The Clem is my workhorse and heavy hauler, whereas 
 the Charlie would be my "fast" commuter.

 On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:11:56 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I sold 
> mine around the time of the last post, but recently bought it back from 
> the 
> friend I'd sold it to as I realized my mistake! I rebuilt it similarly to 
> before, but with a few differences such as a B17 vs C17 saddle, triple 
> crankset with early 90's XT, silver fenders.. but the same bars plugged 
> back in without so much as being unwrapped. It's truly ideal for my 
> everyday needs and I was crazy to have sold it in the first place - now 
> the 
> Bombadil can be retired from commuting duties and as such, be 
> reconfigured 
> to focus on adventure and bikepacking. 
>
> I haven't heard much out of Riv on this bike... wonder if it's still 
> on the books?? 
>
>
> [image: PXL_20230423_164506068.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 10:44:40 UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm 
>> extension (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near the 
>> the minimum insertion line 
>>
>> Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so 
>> maybe that will work better for me.
>>
>> Max
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_2063.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_2064.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_2076.jpg]
>>> FYI, after this photos I adjusted the inner bar ends a bit and will 
>>> again as I putz around on it. I have some inner bar ends in the mail 
>>> too 
>>> which are like the SQLabs model, but these longer (150mm) bar ends are 
>>> pretty cozy so I'll try them both.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:
>>>
 Yes, changed stems:
 Soma Portola with 6cm extension Technomic
 Nitto Labarross with 10cm extension Technomic

 Both were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the the 
 minimum insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about 4cm shy 
 of min 
 insertion line. 

 I’m a heavy guy with long torso and short legs, brooks B17 saddle 
 almost as far back as it will go on a S83 setback seatpost. 

 The Albatross bar setup is the same stem/bar setup I used on my 
 Cheviot. With the inner bar ends I get tons of added forward reach to 
 pull 
 on or lean into, if I didn’t have those I’d probably want at least 
 11cm of 
 stem extension though. Any less than 10cm extension and I’d worry 
 about 
 knee strikes on the ends of the albatross bars when they’re this low. 
 And I 
 wouldn’t use bar end shifters with the current setup for the Sam 
 reason. 

 My next move is to try swapping the 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Sold!

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 3:48:22 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Yep! Looks like it will be back on trails where it belongs very soon!
>
> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 3:02:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> AT LONG LAST!
>>
>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 2:36:35 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Sale pending! Thanks all!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 8:04:10 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> $1600 + shipping for the frameset. 
>>>>
>>>> Tosco and FacePlater sold. Cranks still available. 172 2 piece Silver 
>>>> crank 32/22 with like new Race Face BB. Less than 500 miles on the crank, 
>>>> all cleaned and ready. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 9:27:38 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frameset still available! Not packed in the box yet in case anyone 
>>>>> wants other pictures. Still asking $1700 + shipping but make me an offer, 
>>>>> never know! 
>>>>>
>>>>> Cranks, 65 Tosco and 135 31.8 FacePlater also available. 
>>>>> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 8:43:46 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bump. Frameset still available!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 11:35:32 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I need your couch Joe!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:37:10 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hear ya, Richard. 3cm shorter and I'd be digging for change in 
>>>>>>>> the couch! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 11:53:20 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Someone is missing a great opportunity here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mostly looking to sell the frameset and some parts now. $1700 + 
>>>>>>>>> shipping obo. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 9:12:23 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> $1700 Frameset + shipping 
>>>>>>>>>> $650 Wheelset + shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just in case those are more appealing. Thanks for looking!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:48:25 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bump, still for sale!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:15:39 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Berthoud saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> longer 
>>>>>>>>>>>> stem than 135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm 
>>>>>>>>>>>> length and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> whether you will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> fit. If I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> was running a more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> probably a perfect fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would 
>>>>>>>>>>>> work with 
>>>>>>>>>>>> either bar with the right stem though. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Yep! Looks like it will be back on trails where it belongs very soon!

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 3:02:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> AT LONG LAST!
>
> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 2:36:35 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Sale pending! Thanks all!
>>
>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 8:04:10 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> $1600 + shipping for the frameset. 
>>>
>>> Tosco and FacePlater sold. Cranks still available. 172 2 piece Silver 
>>> crank 32/22 with like new Race Face BB. Less than 500 miles on the crank, 
>>> all cleaned and ready. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 9:27:38 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frameset still available! Not packed in the box yet in case anyone 
>>>> wants other pictures. Still asking $1700 + shipping but make me an offer, 
>>>> never know! 
>>>>
>>>> Cranks, 65 Tosco and 135 31.8 FacePlater also available. 
>>>> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 8:43:46 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bump. Frameset still available!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 11:35:32 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I need your couch Joe!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:37:10 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hear ya, Richard. 3cm shorter and I'd be digging for change in the 
>>>>>>> couch! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 11:53:20 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Someone is missing a great opportunity here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mostly looking to sell the frameset and some parts now. $1700 + 
>>>>>>>> shipping obo. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 9:12:23 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $1700 Frameset + shipping 
>>>>>>>>> $650 Wheelset + shipping 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just in case those are more appealing. Thanks for looking!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:48:25 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bump, still for sale!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:15:39 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a 
>>>>>>>>>>> Berthoud saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a 
>>>>>>>>>>> longer 
>>>>>>>>>>> stem than 135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm length 
>>>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>>>> whether you will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in 
>>>>>>>>>>> fit. If I 
>>>>>>>>>>> was running a more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large 
>>>>>>>>>>> is 
>>>>>>>>>>> probably a perfect fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would 
>>>>>>>>>>> work with 
>>>>>>>>>>> either bar with the right stem though. 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for me.  But, I was wondering if anyone could offer what they 
>>>>>>>>>>>> think would 
>>>>>>>>>>>> be a max pbh for this large frame.
>>>>>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Sale pending! Thanks all!

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 8:04:10 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> $1600 + shipping for the frameset. 
>
> Tosco and FacePlater sold. Cranks still available. 172 2 piece Silver 
> crank 32/22 with like new Race Face BB. Less than 500 miles on the crank, 
> all cleaned and ready. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 9:27:38 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Frameset still available! Not packed in the box yet in case anyone wants 
>> other pictures. Still asking $1700 + shipping but make me an offer, never 
>> know! 
>>
>> Cranks, 65 Tosco and 135 31.8 FacePlater also available. 
>> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 8:43:46 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> Bump. Frameset still available!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 11:35:32 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I need your couch Joe!
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:37:10 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hear ya, Richard. 3cm shorter and I'd be digging for change in the 
>>>>> couch! 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 11:53:20 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone is missing a great opportunity here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mostly looking to sell the frameset and some parts now. $1700 + 
>>>>>> shipping obo. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 9:12:23 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $1700 Frameset + shipping 
>>>>>>> $650 Wheelset + shipping 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just in case those are more appealing. Thanks for looking!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:48:25 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bump, still for sale!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:15:39 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a 
>>>>>>>>> Berthoud saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a 
>>>>>>>>> longer 
>>>>>>>>> stem than 135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm length 
>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>> whether you will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in fit. 
>>>>>>>>> If I 
>>>>>>>>> was running a more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large is 
>>>>>>>>> probably a perfect fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would work 
>>>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>>> either bar with the right stem though. 
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for 
>>>>>>>>>> me.  But, I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think 
>>>>>>>>>> would be a 
>>>>>>>>>> max pbh for this large frame.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bump. $3000 +shipping. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>>>>>>>>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>>>>>>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>>>>>>>>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>>>>>>>>>> Silver cranks.
>>>>>>>>>>> Silver shifter with 10s

[RBW] Re: WTB Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light, or reviews

[Ryan Frahm]

I think the Beacon 2 is still at pre order status. They are supposed to 
start shipping in summer is all it says. 

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 3:41:05 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:

> Anyone have a Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light they want to sell?  Or 
> has anyone used it, and care to share their thoughts?  My dynamo light 
> broke and can't be fixed, and I have a Sinewave Reactor dynamo charger that 
> I use to charge my iPhone or other USB things.  I figured I'd combine the 
> two to declutter things a bit with the Beacon Light.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

$1600 + shipping for the frameset. 

Tosco and FacePlater sold. Cranks still available. 172 2 piece Silver crank 
32/22 with like new Race Face BB. Less than 500 miles on the crank, all 
cleaned and ready. 

On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 9:27:38 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Frameset still available! Not packed in the box yet in case anyone wants 
> other pictures. Still asking $1700 + shipping but make me an offer, never 
> know! 
>
> Cranks, 65 Tosco and 135 31.8 FacePlater also available. 
> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 8:43:46 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Bump. Frameset still available!
>>
>> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 11:35:32 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> I think I need your couch Joe!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:37:10 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I hear ya, Richard. 3cm shorter and I'd be digging for change in the 
>>>> couch! 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 11:53:20 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Someone is missing a great opportunity here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Mostly looking to sell the frameset and some parts now. $1700 + 
>>>>> shipping obo. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 9:12:23 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> $1700 Frameset + shipping 
>>>>>> $650 Wheelset + shipping 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just in case those are more appealing. Thanks for looking!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:48:25 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bump, still for sale!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:15:39 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a 
>>>>>>>> Berthoud saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a 
>>>>>>>> longer 
>>>>>>>> stem than 135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm length 
>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>> whether you will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in fit. 
>>>>>>>> If I 
>>>>>>>> was running a more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large is 
>>>>>>>> probably a perfect fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would work 
>>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>> either bar with the right stem though. 
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for 
>>>>>>>>> me.  But, I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think would 
>>>>>>>>> be a 
>>>>>>>>> max pbh for this large frame.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bump. $3000 +shipping. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>>>>>>>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>>>>>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>>>>>>>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>>>>>>>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>>>>>>>>> Silver cranks.
>>>>>>>>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit 
>>>>>>>>>>> very often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax 
>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Frameset still available! Not packed in the box yet in case anyone wants 
other pictures. Still asking $1700 + shipping but make me an offer, never 
know! 

Cranks, 65 Tosco and 135 31.8 FacePlater also available. 
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 8:43:46 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Bump. Frameset still available!
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 11:35:32 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> I think I need your couch Joe!
>>
>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:37:10 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I hear ya, Richard. 3cm shorter and I'd be digging for change in the 
>>> couch! 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 11:53:20 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Someone is missing a great opportunity here.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mostly looking to sell the frameset and some parts now. $1700 + 
>>>> shipping obo. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 9:12:23 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> $1700 Frameset + shipping 
>>>>> $650 Wheelset + shipping 
>>>>>
>>>>> Just in case those are more appealing. Thanks for looking!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:48:25 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bump, still for sale!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:15:39 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a 
>>>>>>> Berthoud saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a 
>>>>>>> longer 
>>>>>>> stem than 135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm length and 
>>>>>>> whether you will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in fit. If 
>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>> was running a more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large is 
>>>>>>> probably a perfect fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would work 
>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>> either bar with the right stem though. 
>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for 
>>>>>>>> me.  But, I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think would 
>>>>>>>> be a 
>>>>>>>> max pbh for this large frame.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bump. $3000 +shipping. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>>>>>>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>>>>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>>>>>>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>>>>>>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>>>>>>>> Silver cranks.
>>>>>>>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit 
>>>>>>>>>> very often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax 
>>>>>>>>>> return 
>>>>>>>>>> season is coming. Haha. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Great bike, great color, it's just kind of a niche within the 
>>>>>>>>>>> Riv niche so it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Spring is 
>>>>>>>>>>> coming! 
>>>>>>>>&

[RBW] Re: Want to buy Bosco or Tosco 58cm

[Ryan Frahm]

Message sent. 

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 12:56:22 PM UTC-7 Graham McCall wrote:

> I'm looking to pick up a set of Boscos in a 58 but see that they are out. 
> Thanks!
>
> Open to Tosco as well. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Bump. Frameset still available!

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 11:35:32 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> I think I need your couch Joe!
>
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:37:10 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I hear ya, Richard. 3cm shorter and I'd be digging for change in the 
>> couch! 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 11:53:20 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Someone is missing a great opportunity here.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>
>>> Mostly looking to sell the frameset and some parts now. $1700 + 
>>> shipping obo. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 9:12:23 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> $1700 Frameset + shipping 
>>>> $650 Wheelset + shipping 
>>>>
>>>> Just in case those are more appealing. Thanks for looking!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:48:25 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bump, still for sale!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:15:39 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a 
>>>>>> Berthoud saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a 
>>>>>> longer 
>>>>>> stem than 135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm length and 
>>>>>> whether you will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in fit. If 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> was running a more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large is 
>>>>>> probably a perfect fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would work 
>>>>>> with 
>>>>>> either bar with the right stem though. 
>>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for me. 
>>>>>>>  But, I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think would be a 
>>>>>>> max 
>>>>>>> pbh for this large frame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bump. $3000 +shipping. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>>>>>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>>>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>>>>>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>>>>>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>>>>>>> Silver cranks.
>>>>>>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit 
>>>>>>>>> very often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax 
>>>>>>>>> return 
>>>>>>>>> season is coming. Haha. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Great bike, great color, it's just kind of a niche within the Riv 
>>>>>>>>>> niche so it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Spring is 
>>>>>>>>>> coming! 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:54:38 AM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>>> fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Keith, I appreciate that! I feel like it’s a pretty 
>>>>>>>>>>> good deal so I’m happy to hear I’m not totally crazy there. Not in 
>>>>>>>>>>> a rush 
>>>>>>>>>>> for now but if it keeps sitting here I’m going to start riding it 
>>>>>>>>>>> again 
>>>>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

I think I need your couch Joe!

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:37:10 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I hear ya, Richard. 3cm shorter and I'd be digging for change in the 
> couch! 
>
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 11:53:20 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Someone is missing a great opportunity here.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> Mostly looking to sell the frameset and some parts now. $1700 + shipping 
>> obo. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 9:12:23 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> $1700 Frameset + shipping 
>>> $650 Wheelset + shipping 
>>>
>>> Just in case those are more appealing. Thanks for looking!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:48:25 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bump, still for sale!
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:15:39 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a Berthoud 
>>>>> saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a longer stem 
>>>>> than 
>>>>> 135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm length and whether you 
>>>>> will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in fit. If I was running 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large is probably a 
>>>>> perfect 
>>>>> fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would work with either bar with 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> right stem though. 
>>>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for me. 
>>>>>>  But, I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think would be a 
>>>>>> max 
>>>>>> pbh for this large frame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bump. $3000 +shipping. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>>>>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>>>>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>>>>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>>>>>> Silver cranks.
>>>>>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit 
>>>>>>>> very often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax 
>>>>>>>> return 
>>>>>>>> season is coming. Haha. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great bike, great color, it's just kind of a niche within the Riv 
>>>>>>>>> niche so it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Spring is 
>>>>>>>>> coming! 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:54:38 AM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>> fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Keith, I appreciate that! I feel like it’s a pretty 
>>>>>>>>>> good deal so I’m happy to hear I’m not totally crazy there. Not in a 
>>>>>>>>>> rush 
>>>>>>>>>> for now but if it keeps sitting here I’m going to start riding it 
>>>>>>>>>> again 
>>>>>>>>>> soon! I took the saddle of to help temptation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:40:50 AM UTC-8 iamkeith 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't give up, don't get impatient or desperate,  and don't 
>>>>>>>>>>> entertain low-ball offers.  T

[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Mostly looking to sell the frameset and some parts now. $1700 + shipping 
obo. 

On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 9:12:23 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> $1700 Frameset + shipping 
> $650 Wheelset + shipping 
>
> Just in case those are more appealing. Thanks for looking!
>
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:48:25 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Bump, still for sale!
>>
>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:15:39 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a Berthoud 
>>> saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a longer stem than 
>>> 135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm length and whether you 
>>> will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in fit. If I was running a 
>>> more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large is probably a perfect 
>>> fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would work with either bar with the 
>>> right stem though. 
>>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for me. 
>>>>  But, I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think would be a max 
>>>> pbh for this large frame.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bump. $3000 +shipping. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>>>> Silver cranks.
>>>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit very 
>>>>>> often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax return 
>>>>>> season is coming. Haha. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great bike, great color, it's just kind of a niche within the Riv 
>>>>>>> niche so it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Spring is coming! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:54:38 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Keith, I appreciate that! I feel like it’s a pretty good 
>>>>>>>> deal so I’m happy to hear I’m not totally crazy there. Not in a rush 
>>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>>> now but if it keeps sitting here I’m going to start riding it again 
>>>>>>>> soon! I 
>>>>>>>> took the saddle of to help temptation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:40:50 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't give up, don't get impatient or desperate,  and don't 
>>>>>>>>> entertain low-ball offers.  This bike is almost perfect:  best size, 
>>>>>>>>> best 
>>>>>>>>> color, best wheels, best crankset, best cockpit.  Someone just needs 
>>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>>> realize it.  I wish I could afford it right now  for a spare to my 
>>>>>>>>> orange 
>>>>>>>>> one.  Someone is going to be very happy though
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:09:06 AM UTC-7 
>>>>>>>>> fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Finally got it all back together and cleaned up. Put a new Jim 
>>>>>>>>>> 13-42 cassette on so I didn’t have to swap the other. Bike is ready 
>>>>>>>>>> to go!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Asking $3000 +shipping OBO
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 11:06:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
>>>>>>>&

[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

$1700 Frameset + shipping 
$650 Wheelset + shipping 

Just in case those are more appealing. Thanks for looking!


On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:48:25 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Bump, still for sale!
>
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:15:39 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a Berthoud 
>> saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a longer stem than 
>> 135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm length and whether you 
>> will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in fit. If I was running a 
>> more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large is probably a perfect 
>> fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would work with either bar with the 
>> right stem though. 
>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for me. 
>>>  But, I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think would be a max 
>>> pbh for this large frame.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> David
>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bump. $3000 +shipping. 
>>>>
>>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>>> Silver cranks.
>>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit very 
>>>>> often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax return 
>>>>> season is coming. Haha. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Great bike, great color, it's just kind of a niche within the Riv 
>>>>>> niche so it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Spring is coming! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:54:38 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Keith, I appreciate that! I feel like it’s a pretty good 
>>>>>>> deal so I’m happy to hear I’m not totally crazy there. Not in a rush 
>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>> now but if it keeps sitting here I’m going to start riding it again 
>>>>>>> soon! I 
>>>>>>> took the saddle of to help temptation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:40:50 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't give up, don't get impatient or desperate,  and don't 
>>>>>>>> entertain low-ball offers.  This bike is almost perfect:  best size, 
>>>>>>>> best 
>>>>>>>> color, best wheels, best crankset, best cockpit.  Someone just needs 
>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> realize it.  I wish I could afford it right now  for a spare to my 
>>>>>>>> orange 
>>>>>>>> one.  Someone is going to be very happy though
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:09:06 AM UTC-7 
>>>>>>>> fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Finally got it all back together and cleaned up. Put a new Jim 
>>>>>>>>> 13-42 cassette on so I didn’t have to swap the other. Bike is ready 
>>>>>>>>> to go!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Asking $3000 +shipping OBO
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 11:06:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Frameset: $1700 + Shipping  (size large dark gold)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wheels: $650 + Shipping (Rich built Cliffhangers with WI hubs)
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I

[RBW] Re: Riv Riders Interactive Map is Live!

[Ryan Frahm]

Very cool, thank you for setting this up!

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:40:02 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Pins are dropping!
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-03-11 at 2.37.15 PM.png]
>
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:59:58 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> The Map of Riv Riders is ready!* Thanks to Dave's example of the 
>> 'Unicycle Community Map' I've put together a similar interactive map that 
>> Riv Riders can now populate with your location. 
>>
>> As mentioned, the purpose of this map is to help Riv riders find each 
>> other, connect and plan rides.
>>
>> Here's a link to the site:
>>
>> Map of Rivendell Riders 
>> 
>>
>> There is a Google form registration that, once completed and manually 
>> updated by me, will put a pin of your location on the map. 
>>
>> You can 'drop' this pin in a couple of ways:
>>
>> 1. Provide your address
>>
>> 2. Provide a random address in your city or town
>>
>> 3. Provide map coordinates (latitude, longitude)
>>
>> Check it out and if it seems interesting to you then register and wait 
>> for your pin to show up. 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> *I'll call it a beta version because I just learned how to connect Google 
>> forms, maps, and sites together. Seems to work well though.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Gus is complete!

[Ryan Frahm]

Looks great! Can’t wait to see some more trail pictures and hear more about 
how you’d compare it with the Clem!

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:45:11 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

> That looks awesome! Congrats!
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Bump, still for sale!

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:15:39 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

>
> Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a Berthoud 
> saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a longer stem than 
> 135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm length and whether you 
> will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in fit. If I was running a 
> more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large is probably a perfect 
> fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would work with either bar with the 
> right stem though. 
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup wrote:
>
>>
>> Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for me. 
>>  But, I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think would be a max 
>> pbh for this large frame.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David
>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Bump. $3000 +shipping. 
>>>
>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>> Silver cranks.
>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit very 
>>>> often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax return 
>>>> season is coming. Haha. 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great bike, great color, it's just kind of a niche within the Riv 
>>>>> niche so it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Spring is coming! 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:54:38 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Keith, I appreciate that! I feel like it’s a pretty good 
>>>>>> deal so I’m happy to hear I’m not totally crazy there. Not in a rush for 
>>>>>> now but if it keeps sitting here I’m going to start riding it again 
>>>>>> soon! I 
>>>>>> took the saddle of to help temptation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:40:50 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't give up, don't get impatient or desperate,  and don't 
>>>>>>> entertain low-ball offers.  This bike is almost perfect:  best size, 
>>>>>>> best 
>>>>>>> color, best wheels, best crankset, best cockpit.  Someone just needs to 
>>>>>>> realize it.  I wish I could afford it right now  for a spare to my 
>>>>>>> orange 
>>>>>>> one.  Someone is going to be very happy though
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:09:06 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally got it all back together and cleaned up. Put a new Jim 
>>>>>>>> 13-42 cassette on so I didn’t have to swap the other. Bike is ready to 
>>>>>>>> go!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Asking $3000 +shipping OBO
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 11:06:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frameset: $1700 + Shipping  (size large dark gold)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wheels: $650 + Shipping (Rich built Cliffhangers with WI hubs)
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I’d definitely prefer to just sell this complete so offers are 
>>>>>>>>>> welcome! I will entertain offers on the frameset or wheels as well 
>>>>>>>>>> though. 
>>>>>>>>>> People have asked but the offer has to be reasonable. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 9:29:10 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I decided not to sell the SimWorks Suga

[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a Berthoud 
saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a longer stem than 
135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm length and whether you 
will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in fit. If I was running a 
more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large is probably a perfect 
fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would work with either bar with the 
right stem though. 
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup wrote:

>
> Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for me.  But, 
> I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think would be a max pbh 
> for this large frame.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bump. $3000 +shipping. 
>>
>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>> Silver cranks.
>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit very 
>>> often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax return 
>>> season is coming. Haha. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great bike, great color, it's just kind of a niche within the Riv niche 
>>>> so it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Spring is coming! 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:54:38 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Keith, I appreciate that! I feel like it’s a pretty good 
>>>>> deal so I’m happy to hear I’m not totally crazy there. Not in a rush for 
>>>>> now but if it keeps sitting here I’m going to start riding it again soon! 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> took the saddle of to help temptation.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:40:50 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't give up, don't get impatient or desperate,  and don't entertain 
>>>>>> low-ball offers.  This bike is almost perfect:  best size, best color, 
>>>>>> best 
>>>>>> wheels, best crankset, best cockpit.  Someone just needs to realize it.  
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> wish I could afford it right now  for a spare to my orange one.  Someone 
>>>>>> is 
>>>>>> going to be very happy though
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:09:06 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally got it all back together and cleaned up. Put a new Jim 13-42 
>>>>>>> cassette on so I didn’t have to swap the other. Bike is ready to go!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asking $3000 +shipping OBO
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 11:06:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frameset: $1700 + Shipping  (size large dark gold)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wheels: $650 + Shipping (Rich built Cliffhangers with WI hubs)
>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’d definitely prefer to just sell this complete so offers are 
>>>>>>>>> welcome! I will entertain offers on the frameset or wheels as well 
>>>>>>>>> though. 
>>>>>>>>> People have asked but the offer has to be reasonable. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 9:29:10 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I decided not to sell the SimWorks Sugar built wheels so I 
>>>>>>>>>> thought I’d post some pictures of it right now. In the middle of 
>>>>>>>>>> cleaning 
>>>>>>>>>> the drivetrain so that’s why the cassette and chain are off. I was 
>>>>>>>>>> going to 
>>>>>>>>>> swap the brake levers for the Shimano DXR to match the brakes and 
>>>>>

[RBW] Re: Bikepacking Essentials: On Finding Goldilocks

[Ryan Frahm]

These might not be super pack able but they aren’t bad. They work extremely 
well if you know conditions will be soft. Completely worth it for some 
areas.  

https://www.orangescrew.com/collections/all-products/products/small-ground-anchor-4-pack

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 4:39:38 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:

> Lots of nice intellectual exercises for the problem of tent line anchors 
> when in deep sand once you reach the conclusion that regular ones don't and 
> won't work.
>
> Climbers in the snow use flukes as do recovery specialists, often in gangs 
> to distribute force from the primary line. I've seen a crew moving a Land 
> Rover mired in a peat bog doing this with five or six. 
>
> Considering the brevity of mass necessary for bike camping something like 
> a wide rectangle of cloth, short ends connected by a loop, that you fill 
> with sand, in a pit you've dug in the sand, then buried in its filled shape 
> with a rope making a yoke between the two ends loops. 
>
> These could be bandanas with shoelace (holds temporary knots better than 
> accessory cord) and actually be less weight and bulk than regular stakes 
> yet alone the screw and fluke gizmos the internet will sell you. 
>
> If surprised and unprepared in the setting of sand otherwise, I've found 
> that a branch, buried in the sand works pretty dang well. The more 
> convoluted and leafy, the better it interacts with the sand and holds both 
> steady and surge loading.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 6:44:31 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Moving this over from Johnny's 'Fitting the Hunqapillar' thread and in 
>> response to Jay's inquiry about my essential packing list for touring. 
>>
>> Of course, some of it depends on the nature of the tour itself: climate, 
>> remoteness, and goals for the trip. For example, on the Great Divide, I 
>> packed my tenkara rod and for the Cabo loop, I swapped it out for a mask 
>> and snorkel. When I rode the Annapurna Circuit I didn't pack shelter or 
>> kitchen as I stayed in tea houses and ate dahl bat. 
>>
>> As examples, here are packing lists from the two very different trips 
>> mentioned above. 
>>
>> The Great Divide (2018) 
>> 
>>
>> The Cabo Loo (2023) 
>> 
>>
>> Sadly, the photos are the same, but the Cabo Loop list is more 
>> representative of what I've learned that I'd rather not be without on any 
>> journey. 
>>
>> The clothing in the Great Divide list was basically cut in half before I 
>> left- where there are 2s, I kept 1. I did retain both pairs of sandals- a 
>> small luxury after a long day in the saddle. Neither did I end up carrying 
>> so many water bottles, and I have since swapped out the MSR gravity filter 
>> for a Steri-Pen UV filter. 
>>
>> Didn't take my full spice kit on the Baja Divide because I'd planned to 
>> live on fish tacos the whole time (very tricky in the mountains!). I no 
>> longer take the Nikon as my iPhone 8 takes fine snaps, I leave the Garmin 
>> GPS as I use GaiaGPS on my device, and I've swapped out my tripod stool for 
>> a lighter Japanese folding stool. 
>>
>> I love my Big Agnes CopperSpur tent but wanted to spend some time getting 
>> good at setting up my Mountain Laurel Designs Trailstar tarp in the deep 
>> sand of Cabo where tent stakes are useless. 
>>
>> As far as essentials, hmm? My Marmot sleeping bag, a water bottle, my 
>> tool roll, down jacket, wool undies, bandanas, rain gear, and camp slops.
>>
>> Anyways, that's my thinking on packing on wilderness-focused tours. 
>>
>> I'd love to hear what you've gleaned from your experience and what you 
>> consider your essentials when heading into the mountains.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Gus / Susie / Clem Frameset (56-59)

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you all for letting them know about my bike for sale! 

On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:07:40 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ryan here has been trying to sell his Large Susie for a few weeks now. 
> It’s a dark gold one.
>
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 3:59 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> https://spokane.craigslist.org/bik/d/spokane-rivendell-susie-wolbis-56/7590872334.html
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:12:24 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I can't figure out how to link it but scroll back a couple pages for 
>> thread FS: Susie/Wolbis, it's a Dark Gold 56cm. Also listed on Ebay. 
>>
>> On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:37:02 PM UTC-8 dylant...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Ya'll
>>>
>>> Trying to track down a Gus in 57, Susie in 56, or Clem L in 59. Open to 
>>> any color. Ideally looking for a frame set only, but would be open to a 
>>> whole bike. 
>>>
>>> Located in NYC, and can drive ~3 hours or so to pick up, if further, 
>>> happy to cover packing / shipping.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit very 
often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax return 
season is coming. Haha. 

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Great bike, great color, it's just kind of a niche within the Riv niche so 
> it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Spring is coming! 
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:54:38 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Keith, I appreciate that! I feel like it’s a pretty good deal 
>> so I’m happy to hear I’m not totally crazy there. Not in a rush for now but 
>> if it keeps sitting here I’m going to start riding it again soon! I took 
>> the saddle of to help temptation.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:40:50 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Don't give up, don't get impatient or desperate,  and don't entertain 
>>> low-ball offers.  This bike is almost perfect:  best size, best color, best 
>>> wheels, best crankset, best cockpit.  Someone just needs to realize it.  I 
>>> wish I could afford it right now  for a spare to my orange one.  Someone is 
>>> going to be very happy though
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:09:06 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Finally got it all back together and cleaned up. Put a new Jim 13-42 
>>>> cassette on so I didn’t have to swap the other. Bike is ready to go!
>>>>
>>>> Asking $3000 +shipping OBO
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 11:06:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frameset: $1700 + Shipping  (size large dark gold)
>>>>>
>>>>> Wheels: $650 + Shipping (Rich built Cliffhangers with WI hubs)
>>>>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’d definitely prefer to just sell this complete so offers are 
>>>>>> welcome! I will entertain offers on the frameset or wheels as well 
>>>>>> though. 
>>>>>> People have asked but the offer has to be reasonable. Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 9:29:10 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I decided not to sell the SimWorks Sugar built wheels so I thought 
>>>>>>> I’d post some pictures of it right now. In the middle of cleaning the 
>>>>>>> drivetrain so that’s why the cassette and chain are off. I was going to 
>>>>>>> swap the brake levers for the Shimano DXR to match the brakes and lower 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> price. (Ran out of time so the Paul levers are still pictured)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>>>>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>>>>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>>>>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>>>>>> Silver cranks.
>>>>>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asking $3250 + shipping 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:38:48 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bumping this back up. I’m flexible on some build options so let me 
>>>>>>>> know if there is any interest! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:05:40 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I meant to put on the listing and forgot… I also have a set of 
>>>>>>>>> Rich built cliffhanger wheels with White Industries hubs front and 
>>>>>>>>> rear. 
>>>>>>>>> Wheels have 4-500 miles like the frame. Very nice wheels of course 
>>>>>>>>> but not 
>>>>>>>>> quite as spendy as the Sugar set with some use. With those wheels 
>>>>>>>>> maybe 
>>>>>>>>> $3500 is a better deal for someone?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:38:18 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [image: B414C93E-86E6-47E9-9F76-5FCD4A1E37EE.jpeg][image: 
>>>>>>>>>> 871130E7-A72E-4F9D-9880-C035FD4D722C

[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you Keith, I appreciate that! I feel like it’s a pretty good deal so 
I’m happy to hear I’m not totally crazy there. Not in a rush for now but if 
it keeps sitting here I’m going to start riding it again soon! I took the 
saddle of to help temptation.

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:40:50 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> Don't give up, don't get impatient or desperate,  and don't entertain 
> low-ball offers.  This bike is almost perfect:  best size, best color, best 
> wheels, best crankset, best cockpit.  Someone just needs to realize it.  I 
> wish I could afford it right now  for a spare to my orange one.  Someone is 
> going to be very happy though
>
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:09:06 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Finally got it all back together and cleaned up. Put a new Jim 13-42 
>> cassette on so I didn’t have to swap the other. Bike is ready to go!
>>
>> Asking $3000 +shipping OBO
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 11:06:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> Frameset: $1700 + Shipping  (size large dark gold)
>>>
>>> Wheels: $650 + Shipping (Rich built Cliffhangers with WI hubs)
>>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’d definitely prefer to just sell this complete so offers are welcome! 
>>>> I will entertain offers on the frameset or wheels as well though. People 
>>>> have asked but the offer has to be reasonable. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 9:29:10 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I decided not to sell the SimWorks Sugar built wheels so I thought I’d 
>>>>> post some pictures of it right now. In the middle of cleaning the 
>>>>> drivetrain so that’s why the cassette and chain are off. I was going to 
>>>>> swap the brake levers for the Shimano DXR to match the brakes and lower 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> price. (Ran out of time so the Paul levers are still pictured)
>>>>>
>>>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>>>> Silver cranks.
>>>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>>>
>>>>> Asking $3250 + shipping 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:38:48 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bumping this back up. I’m flexible on some build options so let me 
>>>>>> know if there is any interest! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:05:40 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I meant to put on the listing and forgot… I also have a set of Rich 
>>>>>>> built cliffhanger wheels with White Industries hubs front and rear. 
>>>>>>> Wheels 
>>>>>>> have 4-500 miles like the frame. Very nice wheels of course but not 
>>>>>>> quite 
>>>>>>> as spendy as the Sugar set with some use. With those wheels maybe $3500 
>>>>>>> is 
>>>>>>> a better deal for someone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:38:18 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: B414C93E-86E6-47E9-9F76-5FCD4A1E37EE.jpeg][image: 
>>>>>>>> 871130E7-A72E-4F9D-9880-C035FD4D722C.jpeg][image: 
>>>>>>>> D74EFB62-6BA6-439B-8DC5-3547DAEDAE1D.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:21:13 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: 77FC4744-B1FF-4403-8C3E-F8B6F9122F75.jpeg][image: 
>>>>>>>>> FCADB7EA-E8A7-4109-A3B4-3742F8072E3B.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [image: 95302D0C-F5C7-4A64-B924-9AE914701B79.jpeg][image: 
>>>>>>>>>> 873B4F93-7B81-4CE1-BD27-8D38063046CB.jpeg][image: 
>>>>>>>>>> F3EE6092-DC1D-4BAF-9711-E99021E82707.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:17:58 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>&g

[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Frameset: $1700 + Shipping  (size large dark gold)

Wheels: $650 + Shipping (Rich built Cliffhangers with WI hubs)
On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> I’d definitely prefer to just sell this complete so offers are welcome! I 
> will entertain offers on the frameset or wheels as well though. People have 
> asked but the offer has to be reasonable. Thanks!
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 9:29:10 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> I decided not to sell the SimWorks Sugar built wheels so I thought I’d 
>> post some pictures of it right now. In the middle of cleaning the 
>> drivetrain so that’s why the cassette and chain are off. I was going to 
>> swap the brake levers for the Shimano DXR to match the brakes and lower the 
>> price. (Ran out of time so the Paul levers are still pictured)
>>
>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>> Silver cranks.
>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>
>> Asking $3250 + shipping 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:38:48 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> Bumping this back up. I’m flexible on some build options so let me know 
>>> if there is any interest! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:05:40 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> I meant to put on the listing and forgot… I also have a set of Rich 
>>>> built cliffhanger wheels with White Industries hubs front and rear. Wheels 
>>>> have 4-500 miles like the frame. Very nice wheels of course but not quite 
>>>> as spendy as the Sugar set with some use. With those wheels maybe $3500 is 
>>>> a better deal for someone?
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:38:18 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: B414C93E-86E6-47E9-9F76-5FCD4A1E37EE.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> 871130E7-A72E-4F9D-9880-C035FD4D722C.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> D74EFB62-6BA6-439B-8DC5-3547DAEDAE1D.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:21:13 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: 77FC4744-B1FF-4403-8C3E-F8B6F9122F75.jpeg][image: 
>>>>>> FCADB7EA-E8A7-4109-A3B4-3742F8072E3B.jpeg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: 95302D0C-F5C7-4A64-B924-9AE914701B79.jpeg][image: 
>>>>>>> 873B4F93-7B81-4CE1-BD27-8D38063046CB.jpeg][image: 
>>>>>>> F3EE6092-DC1D-4BAF-9711-E99021E82707.jpeg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:17:58 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to say first off that I really love this bike! I ended up 
>>>>>>>> picking up a Clem H to use as my commuter so that the Susie wouldn’t 
>>>>>>>> get as 
>>>>>>>> beat up. Turns out, I like the Clem almost as much in reality and a 
>>>>>>>> few 
>>>>>>>> things have happened recently so I’m listing this one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wolbis/Susie, I got the frame in April ‘22 size Large/56 Dark Gold 
>>>>>>>> 29” wheels.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sugar Wheelworks build SimWorks Standalone (Cliffhanger) wheels 
>>>>>>>> with CX-Ray spokes, White Industries MI5 rear hub and Son 28 up front. 
>>>>>>>> These wheels have less than 50 miles on them. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The pictures show Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires but I’d plan to 
>>>>>>>> put the Ehline 2.5” back on. They have not quite 500 miles on them. 
>>>>>>>> Tubeless with Orange Seal. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rivendell 2 piece crankset 32/22 some scratches near the spindle 
>>>>>>>> drive side but otherwise like new. New Race Face BB. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MKS Bear Trap pedals. Scratched cages but still good shape. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tosco 65cm with 135mm FacePlater stem. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul Components Love Lever 2.5 with Paul Motolite bra

[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

I’d definitely prefer to just sell this complete so offers are welcome! I 
will entertain offers on the frameset or wheels as well though. People have 
asked but the offer has to be reasonable. Thanks!

On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 9:29:10 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> I decided not to sell the SimWorks Sugar built wheels so I thought I’d 
> post some pictures of it right now. In the middle of cleaning the 
> drivetrain so that’s why the cassette and chain are off. I was going to 
> swap the brake levers for the Shimano DXR to match the brakes and lower the 
> price. (Ran out of time so the Paul levers are still pictured)
>
> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
> Nitto S65 seatpost.
> DXR brakes and levers. 
> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
> Silver cranks.
> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>
> Asking $3250 + shipping 
>
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:38:48 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Bumping this back up. I’m flexible on some build options so let me know 
>> if there is any interest! 
>>
>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:05:40 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> I meant to put on the listing and forgot… I also have a set of Rich 
>>> built cliffhanger wheels with White Industries hubs front and rear. Wheels 
>>> have 4-500 miles like the frame. Very nice wheels of course but not quite 
>>> as spendy as the Sugar set with some use. With those wheels maybe $3500 is 
>>> a better deal for someone?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:38:18 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: B414C93E-86E6-47E9-9F76-5FCD4A1E37EE.jpeg][image: 
>>>> 871130E7-A72E-4F9D-9880-C035FD4D722C.jpeg][image: 
>>>> D74EFB62-6BA6-439B-8DC5-3547DAEDAE1D.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:21:13 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: 77FC4744-B1FF-4403-8C3E-F8B6F9122F75.jpeg][image: 
>>>>> FCADB7EA-E8A7-4109-A3B4-3742F8072E3B.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: 95302D0C-F5C7-4A64-B924-9AE914701B79.jpeg][image: 
>>>>>> 873B4F93-7B81-4CE1-BD27-8D38063046CB.jpeg][image: 
>>>>>> F3EE6092-DC1D-4BAF-9711-E99021E82707.jpeg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:17:58 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to say first off that I really love this bike! I ended up 
>>>>>>> picking up a Clem H to use as my commuter so that the Susie wouldn’t 
>>>>>>> get as 
>>>>>>> beat up. Turns out, I like the Clem almost as much in reality and a few 
>>>>>>> things have happened recently so I’m listing this one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wolbis/Susie, I got the frame in April ‘22 size Large/56 Dark Gold 
>>>>>>> 29” wheels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sugar Wheelworks build SimWorks Standalone (Cliffhanger) wheels with 
>>>>>>> CX-Ray spokes, White Industries MI5 rear hub and Son 28 up front. These 
>>>>>>> wheels have less than 50 miles on them. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The pictures show Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires but I’d plan to put 
>>>>>>> the Ehline 2.5” back on. They have not quite 500 miles on them. 
>>>>>>> Tubeless 
>>>>>>> with Orange Seal. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rivendell 2 piece crankset 32/22 some scratches near the spindle 
>>>>>>> drive side but otherwise like new. New Race Face BB. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MKS Bear Trap pedals. Scratched cages but still good shape. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tosco 65cm with 135mm FacePlater stem. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul Components Love Lever 2.5 with Paul Motolite brakes. (Not 
>>>>>>> pictured, it has been cold and I haven’t been riding this bike in the 
>>>>>>> bad 
>>>>>>> weather, they’re new in the box)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim 7 speed cassette 13-42 with Sram GX 10 speed derailleur and 
>>>>>>> Silver shifter. KMC 10 speed EBike chain rated for 4500 miles. Works 
>>>>>>> great 
>>>>>>> with lots of low range. Manual shift up front but the 22t is really 
>>>>>>> just a 
>>>>>>> bail out if it gets really steep. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I plan to keep the rear rack, Edeluxe light and saddle. I also have 
>>>>>>> new grips I just haven’t put on. Small chip inside the chainstay close 
>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>> the front of the tire. Asking $4000 plus shipping OBO. Thanks for 
>>>>>>> looking!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can get better pictures but I just wanted to get it listed for 
>>>>>>> now. Let me know what you’d like to see, emailing pictures is easier 
>>>>>>> than 
>>>>>>> posting a bunch. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Ryan Frahm]



On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:49:54 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I did wait around to see if I could swing a trade…
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 9, 2023, at 6:26 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> No offense Richard, there’s a Clem in that picture? I’m picturing that 
> Ferrari with a bike rack on it!
>
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 2:31:58 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just realized this was a thread I started. I don’t think I ever posted 
>> pics of my first ever multi day bikepacking trip. This setup worked really 
>> nicely.
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2023, at 12:53 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi Vincent,
>>
>> What size tires and fenders are you running on your Clem "H" in your 
>> pictures ?
>>
>> Thank-you,
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:42:42 AM UTC-8 Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>
>>> I own a Clem H but do not utilize the frame space at all for a frame 
>>> bag. I've bikepacked several times and its great! I got lucky and found a 
>>> company blowing out their sackville bags so I stocked up :) Heres a few 
>>> shots from our trips.
>>> [image: IMG_1785.JPG][image: IMG_1629.JPG]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 12:04:11 PM UTC-8 mrg...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clem L works for birdseedpacking (20lb bag) with a Pletscher rack :) 
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 9:47:22 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
>>>>> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having 
>>>>> no 
>>>>> space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
>>>>> cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
>>>>> might be doing?
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Ryan Frahm]

No offense Richard, there’s a Clem in that picture? I’m picturing that 
Ferrari with a bike rack on it!

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 2:31:58 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just realized this was a thread I started. I don’t think I ever posted 
> pics of my first ever multi day bikepacking trip. This setup worked really 
> nicely.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 9, 2023, at 12:53 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Vincent,
>
> What size tires and fenders are you running on your Clem "H" in your 
> pictures ?
>
> Thank-you,
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:42:42 AM UTC-8 Vincent Tamer wrote:
>
>> I own a Clem H but do not utilize the frame space at all for a frame bag. 
>> I've bikepacked several times and its great! I got lucky and found a 
>> company blowing out their sackville bags so I stocked up :) Heres a few 
>> shots from our trips.
>> [image: IMG_1785.JPG][image: IMG_1629.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 12:04:11 PM UTC-8 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Clem L works for birdseedpacking (20lb bag) with a Pletscher rack :) 
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 9:47:22 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
 bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no 
 space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
 cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as 
 they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
 might be doing?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Motolite and Love levers 2.5

[Ryan Frahm]

SOLD! 

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:22:38 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Sold pending payment. 
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:09:00 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> New in box levers and brakes. 2 Motolite brakes. I haven’t opened them to 
>> take pictures, just decided not to go so high end. All silver parts. Let me 
>> know if you want pictures and I’ll open them up, thanks!
>>
>> Levers $110
>> Brakes $275 for both 
>> +shipping 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Motolite and Love levers 2.5

[Ryan Frahm]

Sold pending payment. 

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:09:00 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> New in box levers and brakes. 2 Motolite brakes. I haven’t opened them to 
> take pictures, just decided not to go so high end. All silver parts. Let me 
> know if you want pictures and I’ll open them up, thanks!
>
> Levers $110
> Brakes $275 for both 
> +shipping 
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[RBW] FS: Paul Motolite and Love levers 2.5

[Ryan Frahm]

New in box levers and brakes. 2 Motolite brakes. I haven’t opened them to 
take pictures, just decided not to go so high end. All silver parts. Let me 
know if you want pictures and I’ll open them up, thanks!

Levers $110
Brakes $275 for both 
+shipping 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Bumping this back up. I’m flexible on some build options so let me know if 
there is any interest! 

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 11:05:40 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> I meant to put on the listing and forgot… I also have a set of Rich built 
> cliffhanger wheels with White Industries hubs front and rear. Wheels have 
> 4-500 miles like the frame. Very nice wheels of course but not quite as 
> spendy as the Sugar set with some use. With those wheels maybe $3500 is a 
> better deal for someone?
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:38:18 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> [image: B414C93E-86E6-47E9-9F76-5FCD4A1E37EE.jpeg][image: 
>> 871130E7-A72E-4F9D-9880-C035FD4D722C.jpeg][image: 
>> D74EFB62-6BA6-439B-8DC5-3547DAEDAE1D.jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:21:13 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 77FC4744-B1FF-4403-8C3E-F8B6F9122F75.jpeg][image: 
>>> FCADB7EA-E8A7-4109-A3B4-3742F8072E3B.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: 95302D0C-F5C7-4A64-B924-9AE914701B79.jpeg][image: 
>>>> 873B4F93-7B81-4CE1-BD27-8D38063046CB.jpeg][image: 
>>>> F3EE6092-DC1D-4BAF-9711-E99021E82707.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:17:58 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I want to say first off that I really love this bike! I ended up 
>>>>> picking up a Clem H to use as my commuter so that the Susie wouldn’t get 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> beat up. Turns out, I like the Clem almost as much in reality and a few 
>>>>> things have happened recently so I’m listing this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wolbis/Susie, I got the frame in April ‘22 size Large/56 Dark Gold 29” 
>>>>> wheels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sugar Wheelworks build SimWorks Standalone (Cliffhanger) wheels with 
>>>>> CX-Ray spokes, White Industries MI5 rear hub and Son 28 up front. These 
>>>>> wheels have less than 50 miles on them. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The pictures show Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires but I’d plan to put 
>>>>> the Ehline 2.5” back on. They have not quite 500 miles on them. Tubeless 
>>>>> with Orange Seal. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Rivendell 2 piece crankset 32/22 some scratches near the spindle drive 
>>>>> side but otherwise like new. New Race Face BB. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost. 
>>>>>
>>>>> MKS Bear Trap pedals. Scratched cages but still good shape. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Tosco 65cm with 135mm FacePlater stem. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Components Love Lever 2.5 with Paul Motolite brakes. (Not 
>>>>> pictured, it has been cold and I haven’t been riding this bike in the bad 
>>>>> weather, they’re new in the box)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim 7 speed cassette 13-42 with Sram GX 10 speed derailleur and Silver 
>>>>> shifter. KMC 10 speed EBike chain rated for 4500 miles. Works great with 
>>>>> lots of low range. Manual shift up front but the 22t is really just a 
>>>>> bail 
>>>>> out if it gets really steep. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I plan to keep the rear rack, Edeluxe light and saddle. I also have 
>>>>> new grips I just haven’t put on. Small chip inside the chainstay close to 
>>>>> the front of the tire. Asking $4000 plus shipping OBO. Thanks for looking!
>>>>>
>>>>> I can get better pictures but I just wanted to get it listed for now. 
>>>>> Let me know what you’d like to see, emailing pictures is easier than 
>>>>> posting a bunch. 
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Ryan Frahm]

That makes sense Joe! 

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> $3900 for a Clem?? That's a "partner told me to sell my bike" price. "Yes 
> dear, I put it on Craigslist. No takers!" 
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:38 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that Clem seems about $1K too steep.
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 2:11 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Kim, believe it was in a Riv email over the last couple months that 
>> the Clem will be back in April! Not sure if that was frames or completes 
>> though. Hopefully they’ll have a blue frame for you!
>>
>>
>>
>> That one for sale is nice, but $3900 seems a bit crazy. I’d sell my Susie 
>> for that and it’s a nicer build!
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:22:54 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I meant to say that I would really love to buy a 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
>>> frameset in RBW blue and turn around and sell my 59cm lime olive frameset. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:40:53 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank-you, Joyce. I appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:28:37 PM UTC-8 JAS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kim, there's a blue 59 Clem L on the Portland Craigslist for you 
>>>>> though it's a fully built bike. 
>>>>>
>>>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7583972221.html
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> --Joyce
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Both. I wanted to use a Chocomoose handlebar set-up on the XL Susie 
>>>>>> and it felt too stretched out for me when I was checking different 
>>>>>> options 
>>>>>> for the build that never happened. A 88 PBH put me high and low for 
>>>>>> these 
>>>>>> two sizes. Ended up with a few extra stem/bar combinations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 17:22:41 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So was the XL a reach for you (bad pun) or are you truly between 
>>>>>>> sizes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they 
>>>>>>> certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm 
>>>>>>> effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. 
>>>>>>> They 
>>>>>>> used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm 
>>>>>>> top 
>>>>>>> tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have 
>>>>>>>> listed on here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super 
>>>>>>>> nice 
>>>>>>>> Paul! I’m glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale 
>>>>>>>>> that I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm 
>>>>>>>>> Susie 
>>>>>>>>> from the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to 
>>>>>>>>> pass 
>>>>>>>>> the bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, 
>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>&

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Ryan Frahm]

Makes me think someone should buy my Susie for such a sweet deal! Haha. 

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:38 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah, that Clem seems about $1K too steep.
>
> On Feb 1, 2023, at 2:11 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> Hey Kim, believe it was in a Riv email over the last couple months that 
> the Clem will be back in April! Not sure if that was frames or completes 
> though. Hopefully they’ll have a blue frame for you!
>
>
>
> That one for sale is nice, but $3900 seems a bit crazy. I’d sell my Susie 
> for that and it’s a nicer build!
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:22:54 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I meant to say that I would really love to buy a 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
>> frameset in RBW blue and turn around and sell my 59cm lime olive frameset. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:40:53 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>
>>> Thank-you, Joyce. I appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:28:37 PM UTC-8 JAS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kim, there's a blue 59 Clem L on the Portland Craigslist for you though 
>>>> it's a fully built bike. 
>>>>
>>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7583972221.html
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> --Joyce
>>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Both. I wanted to use a Chocomoose handlebar set-up on the XL Susie 
>>>>> and it felt too stretched out for me when I was checking different 
>>>>> options 
>>>>> for the build that never happened. A 88 PBH put me high and low for these 
>>>>> two sizes. Ended up with a few extra stem/bar combinations.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 17:22:41 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So was the XL a reach for you (bad pun) or are you truly between 
>>>>>> sizes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they 
>>>>>> certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm 
>>>>>> effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. They 
>>>>>> used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm 
>>>>>> top 
>>>>>> tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have 
>>>>>>> listed on here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super nice 
>>>>>>> Paul! I’m glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale 
>>>>>>>> that I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm 
>>>>>>>> Susie 
>>>>>>>> from the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to 
>>>>>>>> pass 
>>>>>>>> the bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. 
>>>>>>>> Thanks, 
>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it 
>>>>>>>>> sounds like they'll be discontinued all together.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 r.ha...@live.com 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike 
>>>>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Ryan Frahm]

azed, are they not?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>>> steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ron, judging from the pic your Gus looks to be one of filet 
>>>>>>>>>> brazed models?  Nicely done build! I've been thinking about a Homer, 
>>>>>>>>>> but 
>>>>>>>>>> more and more the ATB qualities of the Gus/Susie and even the 
>>>>>>>>>> Platypus are 
>>>>>>>>>> looking attractive, and I think would be a better successor for my 
>>>>>>>>>> hard 
>>>>>>>>>> tail carbon fiber MTB that I've decided to part ways with.
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-5 r.ha...@live.com 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First time Riv owner here sharing pics of my Gus build. I had 
>>>>>>>>>>> lots of inspiration from the Blue Lug website 
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://bluelug.com/contents/rivendell/gus-boots.php>. I have 
>>>>>>>>>>> only rode it a few miles though and still trying to get the squeal 
>>>>>>>>>>> out of 
>>>>>>>>>>> the brakes. So far so fun!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/nWnCevTy8pV3AKNZ7
>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_3291.JPG]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:59:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard, that is a fine and lovely bicycle. Enjoy! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe "I want one" Bernard 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>>>>> rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You all are right. I just got my wheels / tires and got my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first good look at this rig in person. The bb is much higher than 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anticipated - within 1/2 centimeter of my full suspension MTB 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (for sale:)).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This beast should be a hoot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I run a 172 on my Susie and it is plenty high with the 2.5” 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for some pretty chunky terrain. I have a 170 on my Clem with 2” 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about an inch lower. These bikes are so long that I understand 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanting a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit more clearance but if a 170 is comfortable I think the bike 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is high 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to pedal through anything these bikes can pedal through. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m still 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting used to the Susie as a mountain bike really. Chunky 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> climbs are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tough for me because if I get off the seat at all, instant loss 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> traction. Pedal strikes hasn’t been an issue at all though. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Ryan Frahm]

They definitely went fast! I had a green in my cart and got distracted, 
gone. Went for the gold and was lucky. I think it was 4 minutes or so and 
they were gone! 

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:45:51 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they 
> certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm 
> effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. They 
> used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm top 
> tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.
>
> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have listed on 
>> here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super nice Paul! I’m 
>> glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>
>>> I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale that 
>>> I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm Susie from 
>>> the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to pass the 
>>> bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. Thanks, Paul
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>>
>>>> All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. 
>>>>
>>>> There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it 
>>>> sounds like they'll be discontinued all together.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 r.ha...@live.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike which 
>>>>> was a lugged 1983 Specialized Expedition (kinda like a Homer) but what I 
>>>>> really wanted was a step through frame. I initial wanted (and still do) 
>>>>> was 
>>>>> a 52cm Clem Smith L with ATB qualities. After building, I realized the 
>>>>> Gus 
>>>>> not really step through but its okay, I still enjoy it. Also, I thought 
>>>>> all 
>>>>> Gus/Susie are filet brazed, are they not?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron, judging from the pic your Gus looks to be one of filet brazed 
>>>>>> models?  Nicely done build! I've been thinking about a Homer, but more 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> more the ATB qualities of the Gus/Susie and even the Platypus are 
>>>>>> looking 
>>>>>> attractive, and I think would be a better successor for my hard tail 
>>>>>> carbon 
>>>>>> fiber MTB that I've decided to part ways with.
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-5 r.ha...@live.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First time Riv owner here sharing pics of my Gus build. I had lots 
>>>>>>> of inspiration from the Blue Lug website 
>>>>>>> <https://bluelug.com/contents/rivendell/gus-boots.php>. I have only 
>>>>>>> rode it a few miles though and still trying to get the squeal out of 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> brakes. So far so fun!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/nWnCevTy8pV3AKNZ7
>>>>>>> [image: IMG_3291.JPG]
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:59:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Richard, that is a fine and lovely bicycle. Enjoy! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe "I want one" Bernard 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>> rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You all are right. I just got my wheels / tires and got my first 
>>>>>>>>> good look at this rig in person. The bb is much higher than I 
>>>>>>>>> anticipated - 
>>>>>>>>> within 1/2 centimeter of my full suspension MTB (for sale:)).
>>>>>>>>> This beast should be a hoot.
>>>>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iP

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Ryan Frahm]

I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have listed on 
here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super nice Paul! I’m 
glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale that 
> I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm Susie from 
> the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to pass the 
> bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. Thanks, Paul
>
> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:
>
>> All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. 
>>
>> There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it sounds 
>> like they'll be discontinued all together.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 r.ha...@live.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike which was 
>>> a lugged 1983 Specialized Expedition (kinda like a Homer) but what I really 
>>> wanted was a step through frame. I initial wanted (and still do) was a 52cm 
>>> Clem Smith L with ATB qualities. After building, I realized the Gus not 
>>> really step through but its okay, I still enjoy it. Also, I thought all 
>>> Gus/Susie are filet brazed, are they not?
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ron, judging from the pic your Gus looks to be one of filet brazed 
>>>> models?  Nicely done build! I've been thinking about a Homer, but more and 
>>>> more the ATB qualities of the Gus/Susie and even the Platypus are looking 
>>>> attractive, and I think would be a better successor for my hard tail 
>>>> carbon 
>>>> fiber MTB that I've decided to part ways with.
>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-5 r.ha...@live.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First time Riv owner here sharing pics of my Gus build. I had lots of 
>>>>> inspiration from the Blue Lug website 
>>>>> <https://bluelug.com/contents/rivendell/gus-boots.php>. I have only 
>>>>> rode it a few miles though and still trying to get the squeal out of the 
>>>>> brakes. So far so fun!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/nWnCevTy8pV3AKNZ7
>>>>> [image: IMG_3291.JPG]
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:59:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard, that is a fine and lovely bicycle. Enjoy! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe "I want one" Bernard 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You all are right. I just got my wheels / tires and got my first 
>>>>>>> good look at this rig in person. The bb is much higher than I 
>>>>>>> anticipated - 
>>>>>>> within 1/2 centimeter of my full suspension MTB (for sale:)).
>>>>>>> This beast should be a hoot.
>>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I run a 172 on my Susie and it is plenty high with the 2.5” for 
>>>>>>> some pretty chunky terrain. I have a 170 on my Clem with 2” and it is 
>>>>>>> about 
>>>>>>> an inch lower. These bikes are so long that I understand wanting a bit 
>>>>>>> more 
>>>>>>> clearance but if a 170 is comfortable I think the bike is high enough 
>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>> pedal through anything these bikes can pedal through. I’m still getting 
>>>>>>> used to the Susie as a mountain bike really. Chunky climbs are tough 
>>>>>>> for me 
>>>>>>> because if I get off the seat at all, instant loss of traction. Pedal 
>>>>>>> strikes hasn’t been an issue at all though. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 5:58:06 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fair point(s). As

[RBW] Re: FS: Silver crank arms

[Ryan Frahm]

Possible sale pending. 

On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:43:55 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Rivendell Silver brand 5 bolt crank arms 178mm. Used but in great shape! 
> Asking $115 plus shipping. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Panniers

[Ryan Frahm]

SOLD!!
On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 5:00:35 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Sold pending payment! Thanks for looking!
>
> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:39:50 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> [image: D09EB7BD-5B3B-4FB9-BFD8-C9067391850E.jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:39:21 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> [image: E6AB9AFC-5595-4896-838E-9248663DB714.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:38:49 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: EA24D277-F407-4283-9098-7AD4B9B3E8F8.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:38:16 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: 48CAE5B3-060F-4A0D-B0EF-2E67A035E91C.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Panniers

[Ryan Frahm]

Sold pending payment! Thanks for looking!

On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:39:50 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> [image: D09EB7BD-5B3B-4FB9-BFD8-C9067391850E.jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:39:21 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> [image: E6AB9AFC-5595-4896-838E-9248663DB714.jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:38:49 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> [image: EA24D277-F407-4283-9098-7AD4B9B3E8F8.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 2:38:16 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: 48CAE5B3-060F-4A0D-B0EF-2E67A035E91C.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] FS: Swift Panniers

[Ryan Frahm]

These are an older model that they stopped making because they were more 
work than some newer designs. I’ve been holding onto them for the past few 
years and they have almost no use so it’s time to let them go. I think they 
were about $200 each when I bought them, asking $200 for the pair plus 
shipping. 

I use Pirate ship so it’s usually a decent deal. Thanks for looking! Let me 
know if you’d like more pictures or details!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

I meant to put on the listing and forgot… I also have a set of Rich built 
cliffhanger wheels with White Industries hubs front and rear. Wheels have 
4-500 miles like the frame. Very nice wheels of course but not quite as 
spendy as the Sugar set with some use. With those wheels maybe $3500 is a 
better deal for someone?

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:38:18 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> [image: B414C93E-86E6-47E9-9F76-5FCD4A1E37EE.jpeg][image: 
> 871130E7-A72E-4F9D-9880-C035FD4D722C.jpeg][image: 
> D74EFB62-6BA6-439B-8DC5-3547DAEDAE1D.jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:21:13 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> [image: 77FC4744-B1FF-4403-8C3E-F8B6F9122F75.jpeg][image: 
>> FCADB7EA-E8A7-4109-A3B4-3742F8072E3B.jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 95302D0C-F5C7-4A64-B924-9AE914701B79.jpeg][image: 
>>> 873B4F93-7B81-4CE1-BD27-8D38063046CB.jpeg][image: 
>>> F3EE6092-DC1D-4BAF-9711-E99021E82707.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:17:58 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
>>>> I want to say first off that I really love this bike! I ended up 
>>>> picking up a Clem H to use as my commuter so that the Susie wouldn’t get 
>>>> as 
>>>> beat up. Turns out, I like the Clem almost as much in reality and a few 
>>>> things have happened recently so I’m listing this one.
>>>>
>>>> Wolbis/Susie, I got the frame in April ‘22 size Large/56 Dark Gold 29” 
>>>> wheels.
>>>>
>>>> Sugar Wheelworks build SimWorks Standalone (Cliffhanger) wheels with 
>>>> CX-Ray spokes, White Industries MI5 rear hub and Son 28 up front. These 
>>>> wheels have less than 50 miles on them. 
>>>>
>>>> The pictures show Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires but I’d plan to put 
>>>> the Ehline 2.5” back on. They have not quite 500 miles on them. Tubeless 
>>>> with Orange Seal. 
>>>>
>>>> Rivendell 2 piece crankset 32/22 some scratches near the spindle drive 
>>>> side but otherwise like new. New Race Face BB. 
>>>>
>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost. 
>>>>
>>>> MKS Bear Trap pedals. Scratched cages but still good shape. 
>>>>
>>>> Tosco 65cm with 135mm FacePlater stem. 
>>>>
>>>> Paul Components Love Lever 2.5 with Paul Motolite brakes. (Not 
>>>> pictured, it has been cold and I haven’t been riding this bike in the bad 
>>>> weather, they’re new in the box)
>>>>
>>>> Jim 7 speed cassette 13-42 with Sram GX 10 speed derailleur and Silver 
>>>> shifter. KMC 10 speed EBike chain rated for 4500 miles. Works great with 
>>>> lots of low range. Manual shift up front but the 22t is really just a bail 
>>>> out if it gets really steep. 
>>>>
>>>> I plan to keep the rear rack, Edeluxe light and saddle. I also have new 
>>>> grips I just haven’t put on. Small chip inside the chainstay close to the 
>>>> front of the tire. Asking $4000 plus shipping OBO. Thanks for looking!
>>>>
>>>> I can get better pictures but I just wanted to get it listed for now. 
>>>> Let me know what you’d like to see, emailing pictures is easier than 
>>>> posting a bunch. 
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Ryan Frahm]

That is a beautiful build, I love it! Hope it rides as nice as it looks!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:07:02 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:

> Absolutely lovely build, Eric. Beautiful. Thank you for sharing!
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:20:29 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I posted a bad link to the Google Drive folder with bigger pics. 
>>
>> This should work.  
>> 
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:19:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, David! 
>>>
>>> Eric: Sorry, not for sale!
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:28:40 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Price?

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Jan 23, 2023, at 3:17 PM, David Hays <23wr...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Beautiful build!

 David Hays

 On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 Here are some close-ups I took once I discovered the "macro" mode on my 
 partner's ancient Nikon DSLR: 

 

 

 

 

 


 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I 
> have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>
> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but 
> for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame 
> over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the 
> fork 
> and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss 
> to 
> the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>
> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications 
> of patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and 
> wax. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>
> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque 
> Phelan. 
> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x 
> Nitto 
> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>
> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
> which I shaped and finished. 
>
> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>
> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an 
> XTR M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by 
> Andre 
> at my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a 
> Rat 
> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>
> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
> them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>
> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
> • Kasai 32H front hub
> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
> • Busch + Müller light mount
> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
> • Suntour Superbe levers
> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
> • MKS XC-III pedals
> • Suntour AR front derailer
> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
> • Brooks Conquest saddle
> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
> • Sim Works x Hoshi
> • M5 brass socket head screws
> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>
> Larger pictures here: 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>
> Thanks for lookin'! 
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[RBW] FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

I want to say first off that I really love this bike! I ended up picking up 
a Clem H to use as my commuter so that the Susie wouldn’t get as beat up. 
Turns out, I like the Clem almost as much in reality and a few things have 
happened recently so I’m listing this one.

Wolbis/Susie, I got the frame in April ‘22 size Large/56 Dark Gold 29” 
wheels.

Sugar Wheelworks build SimWorks Standalone (Cliffhanger) wheels with CX-Ray 
spokes, White Industries MI5 rear hub and Son 28 up front. These wheels 
have less than 50 miles on them. 

The pictures show Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires but I’d plan to put the 
Ehline 2.5” back on. They have not quite 500 miles on them. Tubeless with 
Orange Seal. 

Rivendell 2 piece crankset 32/22 some scratches near the spindle drive side 
but otherwise like new. New Race Face BB. 

Nitto S65 seatpost. 

MKS Bear Trap pedals. Scratched cages but still good shape. 

Tosco 65cm with 135mm FacePlater stem. 

Paul Components Love Lever 2.5 with Paul Motolite brakes. (Not pictured, it 
has been cold and I haven’t been riding this bike in the bad weather, 
they’re new in the box)

Jim 7 speed cassette 13-42 with Sram GX 10 speed derailleur and Silver 
shifter. KMC 10 speed EBike chain rated for 4500 miles. Works great with 
lots of low range. Manual shift up front but the 22t is really just a bail 
out if it gets really steep. 

I plan to keep the rear rack, Edeluxe light and saddle. I also have new 
grips I just haven’t put on. Small chip inside the chainstay close to the 
front of the tire. Asking $4000 plus shipping OBO. Thanks for looking!

I can get better pictures but I just wanted to get it listed for now. Let 
me know what you’d like to see, emailing pictures is easier than posting a 
bunch. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cutting tnreadless steer tube

[Ryan Frahm]

Looks great, so close!!

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 2:54:25 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> My Bosco bar arrived yesterday. Unfortunately my bottom bracket did not. 
> So this first mock up is without a crankset so it’s pretty much a “best 
> guess”. My intent for this Gus is to duplicate my position / touch points 
> from my Clem. Based on numerous measurements this represents my best guess. 
> As I’d hoped, I should be able to have my bars as high as on the Clem but 
> with a lot less stem / steer tube exposed. Though I plan to wait a while it 
> certainly looks like I will be cutting some steer tube off this one.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 18, 2023, at 10:23 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Richard,
>
> Thanks for starting this thread.
>
> I'm building a Gus, too, and judging by how long the steerer tube is 
> unmounted I think it's likely I'll cut mine down to a more desirable length.
>
> When I make the steerer cut, I'm going to leave enough minimum length 
> above headset stack to allow for use of a stem style like this Discord 
> Chromo Peeper 
>  . 
> This style stem would be a great way to regain bar height, if needed, after 
> cutting steerer.
>
> Discord Chromo Peeper
>
> Discord stems have a theme: short reach, lots of stack. We’re obsessed, an 
> obsession that transcends trends. Tre...
> 
>
> Scott
>
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 05:01:05 AM MST, Richard Rose <
> rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Thanks folks. You all have confirmed my own thoughts.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Ed's solution is probably a good guideline. I would add to not be in a 
> hurry to cut it, you may ride it for a while and realize Boscos aren't your 
> thing and will need extra steerer for a lower bar. I would put a bunch of 
> spacers on top and let it be weird for a couple months! 
>
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 7:40:41 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Perhaps a question for Gus owners only? Is there a consensus on cutting 
> down steering tubes? My Bosco bar will arrive in a day or two & I 
> anticipate I will end up with a lot of extra steerer. How much is too much 
> above the stem once the fit is dialed in? Not just an aesthetic issue but a 
> practical one as well.
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[RBW] Re: WTB: seatpost Nitto S83 26.8 300mm

[Ryan Frahm]

Rivendell has the 350mm. Could always cut it if needed!

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 4:35:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> If anyone has a Nitto S83 in 26.8 x 300mm in good to better condition, 
> please message me off list.
>
> Or if someone has a lead as to where to purchase one new, that'd be great, 
> too. I've tried a number of different vendors but all were out of stock.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Ryan Frahm]

Looks great Richard! Can’t wait to hear how you like it when it’s all done!

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:29:46 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looking real good there Richard. I am sure that you will be hooting and 
> hollering down the road and through the woods, when she is all put together.
> Thank-you for sharing.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> You all are right. I just got my wheels / tires and got my first good 
>> look at this rig in person. The bb is much higher than I anticipated - 
>> within 1/2 centimeter of my full suspension MTB (for sale:)).
>> This beast should be a hoot.
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> I run a 172 on my Susie and it is plenty high with the 2.5” for some 
>> pretty chunky terrain. I have a 170 on my Clem with 2” and it is about an 
>> inch lower. These bikes are so long that I understand wanting a bit more 
>> clearance but if a 170 is comfortable I think the bike is high enough to 
>> pedal through anything these bikes can pedal through. I’m still getting 
>> used to the Susie as a mountain bike really. Chunky climbs are tough for me 
>> because if I get off the seat at all, instant loss of traction. Pedal 
>> strikes hasn’t been an issue at all though. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 5:58:06 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Fair point(s). As you can imagine, the full suspension bike has a pretty 
>>> high bb, though not as high as current comparable bikes. I rarely 
>>> experienced pedal strokes even pedaling through stuff that at my age I 
>>> probably should not be doing!:)
>>> I just looked at available solutions & thought it might be beneficial to 
>>> shorten the cranks on the Gus to approximate the clearance I enjoyed on the 
>>> suspension bike. To do so would require a 550mm crank arm.
>>> To be honest, I had one particular & disconcerting pedal strike riding 
>>> the Clem that really got my attention. This was a very familiar sweeping 
>>> turn but off camber section that I always pedal through. The pedal dug into 
>>> the uphill side of the bank & I nearly crashed. It was just so unexpected. 
>>> I’ve accepted the notion that I may have to ride a bit slower & less 
>>> aggressive than I am used to. But to the degree that I can minimize these 
>>> things with the right choice now seems smart.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:01 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I understand your intent to avoid crank or pedal contact, but personally 
>>> I wouldn’t base my crank length on the potential for pedal strikes on rocks 
>>> and roots. In this case, I would fall into the camp of being conscious of 
>>> the terrain, refining your technique, and being mindful of your own 
>>> personal skill level. If you’re getting lots of strikes with say, a 170mm 
>>> or 165mm crank, I wouldn’t be confident that going even shorter than that 
>>> is going to necessarily solve your issue.
>>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:45 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> Legit question. I am moving from a full suspension trail bike to the 
>>> Gus. I have ridden my Clem (27.5 x 2.25) with 173mm cranks and have been 
>>> reminded of how alarming pedal strokes can be! But, I really enjoy the 
>>> trail experience on the Clem otherwise. I realize the Gus has a slightly 
>>> higher BB than the Clem & the Gus is 29 x 2.6. So yes, I am trying to be 
>>> mitigate possible problems. I like the Silver crank on the Clem but I will 
>>> likely use a 165mm Crank on the Gus. But, I am watching with keen interest 
>>> the increasing availability of even shorter cranks.
>>> And yes, I know technique comes into play here, and I am looking forward 
>>> to refining mine.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 12:01 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 4:59:23 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am feeling so very lucky to have found a Gus. On the subject of 
>>>> Gus/Susie bikes; who among us are using a crankset with shorter than 165mm 
>>>> cranks in an effort to improve pedal clearance on rough trails? I’ve been 
>>>> researching availabl

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Ryan Frahm]

I run a 172 on my Susie and it is plenty high with the 2.5” for some pretty 
chunky terrain. I have a 170 on my Clem with 2” and it is about an inch 
lower. These bikes are so long that I understand wanting a bit more 
clearance but if a 170 is comfortable I think the bike is high enough to 
pedal through anything these bikes can pedal through. I’m still getting 
used to the Susie as a mountain bike really. Chunky climbs are tough for me 
because if I get off the seat at all, instant loss of traction. Pedal 
strikes hasn’t been an issue at all though. 

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 5:58:06 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Fair point(s). As you can imagine, the full suspension bike has a pretty 
> high bb, though not as high as current comparable bikes. I rarely 
> experienced pedal strokes even pedaling through stuff that at my age I 
> probably should not be doing!:)
> I just looked at available solutions & thought it might be beneficial to 
> shorten the cranks on the Gus to approximate the clearance I enjoyed on the 
> suspension bike. To do so would require a 550mm crank arm.
> To be honest, I had one particular & disconcerting pedal strike riding the 
> Clem that really got my attention. This was a very familiar sweeping turn 
> but off camber section that I always pedal through. The pedal dug into the 
> uphill side of the bank & I nearly crashed. It was just so unexpected. I’ve 
> accepted the notion that I may have to ride a bit slower & less aggressive 
> than I am used to. But to the degree that I can minimize these things with 
> the right choice now seems smart.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:01 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I understand your intent to avoid crank or pedal contact, but personally I 
> wouldn’t base my crank length on the potential for pedal strikes on rocks 
> and roots. In this case, I would fall into the camp of being conscious of 
> the terrain, refining your technique, and being mindful of your own 
> personal skill level. If you’re getting lots of strikes with say, a 170mm 
> or 165mm crank, I wouldn’t be confident that going even shorter than that 
> is going to necessarily solve your issue.
>
> On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:45 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> Legit question. I am moving from a full suspension trail bike to the Gus. 
> I have ridden my Clem (27.5 x 2.25) with 173mm cranks and have been 
> reminded of how alarming pedal strokes can be! But, I really enjoy the 
> trail experience on the Clem otherwise. I realize the Gus has a slightly 
> higher BB than the Clem & the Gus is 29 x 2.6. So yes, I am trying to be 
> mitigate possible problems. I like the Silver crank on the Clem but I will 
> likely use a 165mm Crank on the Gus. But, I am watching with keen interest 
> the increasing availability of even shorter cranks.
> And yes, I know technique comes into play here, and I am looking forward 
> to refining mine.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 10, 2023, at 12:01 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>
> 
>
> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 4:59:23 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am feeling so very lucky to have found a Gus. On the subject of 
>> Gus/Susie bikes; who among us are using a crankset with shorter than 165mm 
>> cranks in an effort to improve pedal clearance on rough trails? I’ve been 
>> researching available cranks and finding interesting possible benefits 
>> other than pedal clearance.
>>
>>
> Have you tried a longer crank, or are you just building yours up for the 
> first time and assuming you'll want more clearance?  (Based perhaps on 
> experience with other rivendell models.)  My single conplaint about my 
> Susie is that the botgom bracket is too high.  Its not at all like my Clem 
> or my other most-ridden mountain bikes from other companies, that are all 
> much lower..  I've probably  learned to adjust my pedaling technique from 
> previous experience, and my huge 2.8 tires probably have something to do 
> with it too but, in case you haven't done so, you should try it with 
> normal/long* cranks to see if it is really an issue. (*mine are 175)
>
> On topic - it is definitely sad to see these go.  Grant orginally said 
> that it might only be the first batch that was fillet brazed, but didn't 
> suggest that the models would just "disappear."  Seems a shame to throw in 
> the towel and not keep them going in some form, even if they're just 
> tigged.  That's how the Charlie Gallop - with similar top tube curve -  
> will be built, right?  With the Clem(entine) moving further away from its 
> original mountain/hill bike concept, and with the Hunquapillar long gone, 
> this just feels like a slot that needs filled to me.
>  
>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 11:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Apparently the fillets cost more to do, the Gus/Susie are already $250 
>> more than the lugged frames and were going to go higher if they did another 
>> run. These are great frames, if money/opportunity ever lines 

[RBW] Re: I’m considering selling my Susie…

[Ryan Frahm]

Thanks Jason! That’s kinda what I was thinking and I don’t “need” to sell. 

I might still keep it. I’m just considering a Tumbleweed Prospector because 
I think it would make for safer winter commuting pulling my daughter. But 
maybe I just need better studded tires on the commuter.

On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 1:43:20 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Beautiful build!  $4000 is not out of the question if you find the right 
> buyer.  My first thought was $3500-3600 as what I'd want to pay - but 
> doesn't hurt to start higher especially if you're not motivated to sell.  
>
> I think you should keep it and ride the beans out of it :)  
>
>
>
> On Monday, 2 January 2023 at 13:31:12 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: 86F6DBF4-49D7-4809-A4EE-72D2CE64CC52.jpeg]
>>
>> On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 1:30:28 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> I want to say first off that I really love this bike! I ended up picking 
>>> up a Clem H to use as my commuter so that the Susie wouldn’t get as beat 
>>> up. Turns out, I like the Clem almost as much in reality. I was hoping to 
>>> get an idea of what might be a fair price so I wanted to list the build and 
>>> see. I’m not 100% sure I want to sell but I’m leaning that way. 
>>>
>>> Last run of the Susie, I got the frame in April size Large, Dark Gold 
>>> 29” wheels.
>>>
>>> Sugar Wheelworks build SimWorks Standalone (Cliffhanger) wheels with 
>>> CX-Ray spokes, White Industries MI5 rear hub and Son 28 up front. These 
>>> wheels have less than 50 miles on them. 
>>>
>>> The pictures show Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires but I’d plan to put the 
>>> Ehline 2.5” back on. They have not quite 500 miles on them. Tubeless with 
>>> Orange Seal. 
>>>
>>> Rivendell 2 piece crankset 32/22 some scratches near the spindle drive 
>>> side but otherwise like new. New Race Face BB. 
>>>
>>> Nitto S65 seatpost. 
>>>
>>> MKS Bear Trap pedals. Scratched cages but still good shape. 
>>>
>>> Tosco 65cm with 135mm FacePlater stem. 
>>>
>>> Paul Components Love Lever 2.5 with Shimano DXR brakes. 
>>>
>>> Jim 7 speed cassette 13-42 with Sram GX 10 speed derailleur and Silver 
>>> shifter. KMC 10 speed EBike chain rated for 4500 miles. Works great with 
>>> lots of low range. Manual shift up front but the 22t is really just a bail 
>>> out if it gets really steep. 
>>>
>>> I plan to keep the rear rack, Edeluxe light and saddle. I also have new 
>>> grips I just haven’t put on. Small chip inside the chainstay close to the 
>>> front of the tire. Like I said, just trying to get an idea on price. I 
>>> would hope to get somewhere close to $4000+ shipping. Is that close or 
>>> crazy! Haha. Picture to follow. PM if there is any interest but I’m 
>>> definitely still thinking. Thanks everyone!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] I’m considering selling my Susie…

[Ryan Frahm]

I want to say first off that I really love this bike! I ended up picking up 
a Clem H to use as my commuter so that the Susie wouldn’t get as beat up. 
Turns out, I like the Clem almost as much in reality. I was hoping to get 
an idea of what might be a fair price so I wanted to list the build and 
see. I’m not 100% sure I want to sell but I’m leaning that way. 

Last run of the Susie, I got the frame in April size Large, Dark Gold 29” 
wheels.

Sugar Wheelworks build SimWorks Standalone (Cliffhanger) wheels with CX-Ray 
spokes, White Industries MI5 rear hub and Son 28 up front. These wheels 
have less than 50 miles on them. 

The pictures show Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires but I’d plan to put the 
Ehline 2.5” back on. They have not quite 500 miles on them. Tubeless with 
Orange Seal. 

Rivendell 2 piece crankset 32/22 some scratches near the spindle drive side 
but otherwise like new. New Race Face BB. 

Nitto S65 seatpost. 

MKS Bear Trap pedals. Scratched cages but still good shape. 

Tosco 65cm with 135mm FacePlater stem. 

Paul Components Love Lever 2.5 with Shimano DXR brakes. 

Jim 7 speed cassette 13-42 with Sram GX 10 speed derailleur and Silver 
shifter. KMC 10 speed EBike chain rated for 4500 miles. Works great with 
lots of low range. Manual shift up front but the 22t is really just a bail 
out if it gets really steep. 

I plan to keep the rear rack, Edeluxe light and saddle. I also have new 
grips I just haven’t put on. Small chip inside the chainstay close to the 
front of the tire. Like I said, just trying to get an idea on price. I 
would hope to get somewhere close to $4000+ shipping. Is that close or 
crazy! Haha. Picture to follow. PM if there is any interest but I’m 
definitely still thinking. Thanks everyone!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Ryan Frahm]

Mike has a lot of opinions. He builds excellent wheels. What he is looking 
for is not necessarily what a Rivendell rider might be looking for in a 
bike. He is an aggressive rider. If you are serious about a long chainstay 
fat bike, it might be worth checking out Mahall Bikeworks. It is custom so 
it won’t be cheap, but I’ve read some about him experimenting with 
Rivendell long stays on some adventure bikes that made me interested. It 
has been a while so the details are fuzzy to me, but I was very interested. 
He can even make it lugged!

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:24:50 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:

>
> I’ve owned a number of fat bikes. One I thought was the most Riv-esque was 
> the Ritchey Commando. I don’t think they make them anymore. But you may be 
> able to find a used one. They rode fantastic. Chainstays were relatively 
> long. 
> Regarding chainstays, it was just fine in snow. Mike C’s point of short 
> stays has some merit, but remember it’s just one guy’s opinion. He’s also 
> said in the past that rigid and hard tail bikes were useless and 
> full-suspension was the only way to go. I wholeheartedly disagreed with 
> that. 
> If you ever meet him, ask what he thinks of lugged steel rigid frames with 
> rim brakes! 
> Don’t put much weight of what he or others say. Go test it out for 
> yourself. 
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:04:21 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> For the record I'm not the OP, which is why Keith deleted the post you're 
>> replying to. Fortunately his info was helpful anyway, but Joe B. who 
>> started a fatbike thread on internet-bob is not Joe D. who started this 
>> one! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:16:48 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Not to crowed Joe's questions, but this answers many of my questions 
>>> about fatbikes too; and I didn't know that there are 3.25 and 3.5 650B 
>>> tires. So thanks Keith for this detail. I've already found that no Riv can 
>>> take full 3"/76 mm 700C tires, alas.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 7:06 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
 Joe,

 before throwing in my 2 cents, I want to acknowledge that this is not 
 really answering your questions but, instead, telling you to do something 
 different.   I usually get annoyed when people answer a direct question 
 with "you don't need that" but, in this case, my friend, I know enough 
 about you and your bike-purchase-and-subsequent-regret habits to want to 
 save you some hassle.  Others have already mentioned a couple of the ideas 
 I was going to offer, but here it is with more explanation:

 I haven't read through  your other ibob thread completely, but do 
 understand that much of your interest comes from wanting to relieve wrist 
 discomfort - especially on rough trails..  So this response is partly in 
 consideration of that question.


 *"Novelty" concerns:* I was a pretty early adopter of fat bikes. 
 They're the only kind of bike I can even ride for fully 6 months of the 
 year or more, due to the amount of snow where I live. (Along with northern 
 Minnesota and Anchorage, my area - the sister communities of Teton County 
 Idaho and Teton County Wyoming - were where much of the early fatbike 
 development occurred.) For a number of years around 2010 or so, I rode a 
 fat bike almost exclusively, all year. I liked it for it's back-to-basics, 
 monster-truck, roll-over-anything simplicity. But, even for an 
 retro-grouch 
 like me who lives in a place where they make complete sense, that appeal 
 eventually wore off and I now only ride it when no other bike will work. 
 Most people who get fat bikes enjoy the novelty for an even shorter period 
 of time. They eventually tire of the extra rolling resistance and steering 
 compromises and increased q- factor and mechanical complications and 
 weight. Then they quit riding them. 

 *Tire Size considerations*: Keep in mind that there have been HUGE 
 advances in tire manufacturing and technology since (and because) 26" fat 
 bike tires were invented - even though that wasn't all that long ago. 
 2008, 
 maybe? Much of what made 26x4 tires work so well was their diameter, which 
 was similar to the not-much-older 29er development. But, unless you really 
 plan on riding in loose sand or deep snow most of the time, there is no 
 longer any advantage to 4" tires. There are now some 650b semi-fat tires 
 that give you almost all of the advantages of 26x4 with none of the 
 problems. If you think about it, there's nothing more "rivendell-esqe" 
 than 
 650b, right? They wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Rivendell! 

 *Regarding suspension and bounciness*: The best thing about fat bikes 
 is that they eliminate the need for suspension for most "normal" riding. 
 But it takes a lot of effort to tune the tire pressure to 

[RBW] Re: Rosco Mtn Mixte?

[Ryan Frahm]

I think the wheelset alone makes it semi reasonable. Having a frame/fork 
built will be a small fortune with no guarantee they will nail the usual 
Riv magic!

On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 9:16:14 AM UTC-8 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> One of the best Rivs ever.  My wife has the medium, but it was a $900 ish 
> frame new.  You could just have a builder clone it (or a small run of 
> frames) for under $3k.
>
> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 10:45:32 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/permalink/5447624762012579/
>>
>> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 11:44:59 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> There’s a post on the Facebook Rivendell buy/sell/trade group that has a 
>>> Rosco with the lift-a-tube shown for sale. I can’t seem to post the link 
>>> here - will try in a second post. It’s $$$ at 3k, but I know people go 
>>> crazy for these for some reason, so heads up and maybe a Merry Christmas 
>>> present for someone.
>>> Leah 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Ryan Frahm]

I enjoy watching those videos as well! I could never keep up with he or Ms 
Cools but those rides look beautiful! 

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of 
>> cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of the 
>> "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos posted 
>> by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling up 
>> and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and roads 
>> equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we have to 
>> wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not really.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[Ryan Frahm]

What a beautiful setup! I can’t wait to see pictures from the next trip! 
I’ll be watching to see what the bag behind the seat tube comes out like, 
I’ve definitely been interested in using that space. 

Is your light mount solid on the makeshift Pec Deck? I was thinking about 
doing that as well but thought it might not be super stable. I have it 
mounted with the stock mount the Edelux came with but haven’t had a chance 
to test it very much. It has been studded riding for weeks and I have those 
on the Clem with fenders… Loving your setup!

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think I've finally gotten my bikepacking setup dialed in on my Gus, and 
> thought I'd share. My previous efforts were a bit slapdash, but I'm 
> planning on a couple of overnighters down in Florida this winter and want 
> to take Gus with me. After all, that's what I bought this bike for (I 
> replaced my old Surly Troll with this Gus for off-road bikepacking).
>
> 8.5 lbs in the rear, and 5.5 lbs up front. I haven't factored in food and 
> clothing, but this is my typical weight distribution.
>
> All bags are supported; the rear BxB Goldback is secured to my saddle via 
> a Carradice Bagman QR, and is primarily supported by the R14. The front 
> Fab's Chest is supported by my makeshift "Pec Deck", which also 
> conveniently holds my Edelux. I'm also currently working with Andy Schmidt 
> from Lord's Luggage in Portland to design a prototype frame bag for the 
> space behind the seat tube on Gus and Susies - more to come on that early 
> next year!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

[Ryan Frahm]

Interesting. I can’t imagine not having tubeless with bigger tires 
especially. Been tubeless for about 10 years and have never had one issue. 
I did have trouble with my first set needing to be pumped back up every few 
days for the first month or so. A shop set those up though. I have found 
that using a tube for a quick ride to make sure the tape is set to be a 
key. Shops do not take the time for that. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:25:41 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good to know!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 13, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> Richard, my 2.5” Ehline measures right at 2.5”. They are huge sitting 
> next to the Fleecer Ridge 55mm. They roll very fast compared to the Maxxis 
> tire as well. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:07:31 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Hey Keith, are those rims tubeless compatible? 
>>
>> As for machined sidewall, neither set of my cliffhangers have them and 
>> braking hasn’t been an issue even with the ice and snow. I have seen 
>> plenty of 2.8” tires successfully run on a 25mm ID (like the cliffhanger) 
>> rim so i wouldn’t worry much there. You just can’t go quite as low with the 
>> tire pressure or they get a bit squirmy. Rider weight makes a big 
>> difference on that though at a certain point as well. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:01:29 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie.  42mm outside 
>>> /.32 inside.  They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but I 
>>> haven't had braking issues.  I can detect the pinned joint at times, but 
>>> it's not a detractor.  They're stronger than any other rim  (they're meant 
>>> to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH 
>>> lighter in reality than they do on paper.  I wasn't too concerned about 
>>> long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well.  
>>>  It's a good anodizing.  I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes 
>>> from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too.  In both cases, the 
>>> blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on 
>>> the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even wider 
>>> and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. 
>>>
>>> Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of 
>>> years, but can try to take some more if you're interested.
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2mm wider.
>>>>
>>>> Laing
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the 
>>>>> Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 
>>>>> mm wide.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Laing
>>>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
>>>>>> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit 
>>>>>> wider? 
>>>>>> I have not found one.
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

[Ryan Frahm]

Richard, my 2.5” Ehline measures right at 2.5”. They are huge sitting next 
to the Fleecer Ridge 55mm. They roll very fast compared to the Maxxis tire 
as well. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:07:31 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Hey Keith, are those rims tubeless compatible? 
>
> As for machined sidewall, neither set of my cliffhangers have them and 
> braking hasn’t been an issue even with the ice and snow. I have seen 
> plenty of 2.8” tires successfully run on a 25mm ID (like the cliffhanger) 
> rim so i wouldn’t worry much there. You just can’t go quite as low with the 
> tire pressure or they get a bit squirmy. Rider weight makes a big 
> difference on that though at a certain point as well. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:01:29 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie.  42mm outside /.32 
>> inside.  They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but I 
>> haven't had braking issues.  I can detect the pinned joint at times, but 
>> it's not a detractor.  They're stronger than any other rim  (they're meant 
>> to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH 
>> lighter in reality than they do on paper.  I wasn't too concerned about 
>> long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well.  
>>  It's a good anodizing.  I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes 
>> from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too.  In both cases, the 
>> blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on 
>> the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even wider 
>> and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. 
>>
>> Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of 
>> years, but can try to take some more if you're interested.
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> 2mm wider.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the 
>>>> Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 
>>>> mm wide.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Laing
>>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
>>>>> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit 
>>>>> wider? 
>>>>> I have not found one.
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Cliffhanger alternatives?

[Ryan Frahm]

Hey Keith, are those rims tubeless compatible? 

As for machined sidewall, neither set of my cliffhangers have them and 
braking hasn’t been an issue even with the ice and snow. I have seen plenty 
of 2.8” tires successfully run on a 25mm ID (like the cliffhanger) rim so i 
wouldn’t worry much there. You just can’t go quite as low with the tire 
pressure or they get a bit squirmy. Rider weight makes a big difference on 
that though at a certain point as well. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:01:29 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

>
> I used the Nimbus Dominator Unicycle rims on my Susie.  42mm outside /.32 
> inside.  They don't offer the machined sidewall version anymore, but I 
> haven't had braking issues.  I can detect the pinned joint at times, but 
> it's not a detractor.  They're stronger than any other rim  (they're meant 
> to carry a rider's e tire weight on one unsuspended wheel) but feel MUCH 
> lighter in reality than they do on paper.  I wasn't too concerned about 
> long-term aesthetics, but the brake surface has held up remarkably well.  
>  It's a good anodizing.  I have anodized rims on one of my most used bikes 
> from 1997 where the finish has held up well, too.  In both cases, the 
> blemishes occur when you use them in wet, muddy conditions and get grit on 
> the pads. I have some Kris Holm 29er unicycle rims too, that are even wider 
> and DO have a machined braking surface, but they'd be hard to find. 
>
> Ive posted pics of my susie a few times here over the past couple of 
> years, but can try to take some more if you're interested.
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:41:01 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> 2mm wider.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Alex DM-24. When I was deciding what rims to get built for the 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh, Rich said that the Alex rims were slightly wider - 1mm -> 32 
>>> mm wide.
>>>
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:29:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
 Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit wider? 
 I have not found one.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

[Ryan Frahm]

Most pedals I’ve had do not spin at all. I can’t imagine that resistance 
doesn’t add up on a long day (with all those watts I put down!). Even if 
it’s a perceived gain, I’ll take it!

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 6:50:38 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> All of this aside, when do you need a pedal to spin more than 1/4 turn? 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:49:52 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> I believe MKS uses varying grades of bearings in their pedals. For 
>> example, they sell the Sylvan pedals at several different price points and 
>> the deluxe super-spinner bearings are in the more expensive version. 
>>
>> Behold: the Bubblies have better bearings than the Bears? 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:10:22 AM UTC-5 joshm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have blue lug sharks that I've put upwards of 2k miles on this year 
>>> and they don't spin like any of my mks pedals. They're great/look great but 
>>> I'm fairly certain they are the last non-mks pedals I'll buy and I'm pretty 
>>> ok with that. Of course ymmv...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022, 9:29 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, 
>>>> the Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger 
>>>> platform of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set 
>>>> to replace my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear 
>>>> traps at all. 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, 
>>>>> and/or you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge 
>>>>> bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease 
>>>>> either. 
>>>>> More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the 
>>>>> bearing 
>>>>> isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper 
>>>>> adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. 
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin 
>>>>> freely. Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs 
>>>>> because 
>>>>> they're not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means 
>>>>> one 
>>>>> will spin better or worse than the other.
>>>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair 
>>>>>> plus add some vintage charm!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Max,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your 
>>>>>>> observation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals 
>>>>>>> and they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong 
>>>>>>> with the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different 
>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your 
>>>>>>> decision, you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> road you get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all 
>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jared in SLO
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went 
>>>>>>>> to my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly 
>>>>>>>> pedals - I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but 
>>>>>>>> unfortunately 
>>>>>>>> they only had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks 
>>>>>>>> website, 
>>>>>>>> but the polished wer

Re: [RBW] New Gus!

[Ryan Frahm]

I for one would love to see a Gus with EE wings and friction 1x Eagle or 
Garbaruk cassette. Friction shifting a 12 speed cassette feels better to me 
than the 7 speed I have. The spacing feels so perfect!

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:26:21 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Frame/ Fork only. So interesting that a lot of folks are running 1x. My 
> dream build might be to install the ee wing crank I already own (170 crank 
> arms) in a 1x setup. I also own (ugly?) Sram GX 12 speed shifter. I was 
> thinking a 9 or 10 cassette? The crank is currently attached to a 30t 
> Absolute Black elliptical ring, which I realize is controversial. But I 
> have enjoyed it. It does not feel weird but I do feel strong on climbs with 
> it. This crank was on my full suspension bike (selling) with a 10-50 SRAM 
> cassette. That 30-50 low worked well for me. I don’t even know if you can 
> get a 50 on other than 12 speed cassettes? Can I use the GX rear derailleur 
> with a cluster that has less than 12 cogs? 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 10, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> On my Gus, I’m running a 1x drivetrain. I went with a White crankset and 
> bottom bracket (BSA) and I’m using a Deore M5100 RD and matching 11-51 
> cassette. I originally installed a 32t ring up front, but last week I 
> swapped it for a 34t to give me a little more on the high end.
>
> On Dec 10, 2022, at 1:12 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Richard, I'm stoked for you! Congrats on your new-to-you Gus!
>
> Keep in touch, so we can compare notes on OUR upcoming Gus builds. I've 
> got some ideas as to drivetrain options and haven't made a decision yet 
> myself. Hoping to hear yours and other member's thoughts about a recipe for 
> a yummy Gus drivetrain. 
>
> Did you score a complete bike or f/f?
>
> Merry, early, Christmas...
>
> Scott
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 09:17:31 AM MST, Richard Rose <
> rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really 
> craving a Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold 
> color. Alas, none to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I 
> found a Gus in my size and I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I 
> am selling stuff all over the place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun 
> as heck fatbike is gone and my full suspension bike will be gone soon as 
> well. Never a dull moment and then - the frames appear on the Crust site. 
> What the actual hell?! But its all good, no going back. Excited to get this 
> Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a lot of questions drivetrain 
> related. And brakes. As someone else said, Christmas came early for me. 
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[RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

[Ryan Frahm]

The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, the 
Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger platform 
of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set to replace 
my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear traps at all. 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, and/or 
> you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge 
> bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. 
> More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing 
> isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper 
> adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. 
>
> As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin freely. 
> Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs because they're 
> not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one will 
> spin better or worse than the other.
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus 
>> add some vintage charm!
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Max,
>>>
>>> Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your 
>>> observation.
>>>
>>> We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals and 
>>> they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong with 
>>> the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different level.
>>>
>>> That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, 
>>> you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road you 
>>> get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.
>>>
>>> Jared in SLO
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Hi Everyone,

 I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went to 
 my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly pedals 
 - 
 I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but unfortunately they only 
 had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, but the 
 polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in about a month 
 at best)

 Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear Trap 
 III and ordered them in silver. 

 They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less smooth 
 than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 vs $100 
 but still, is this normal?

 Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?

 Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?

 Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.

 Max in Boston

>>>

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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Ryan Frahm]

I feel very happy with my 2 Rivendell bikes stable. I use my Clem H 
everyday for groceries and towing my daughter around (studded tires with 
fenders now). It could easily be stripped down and be a fantastic dirt road 
exploration bike, but I am fortunate to have a Susie for that and the Susie 
has an incredible ride!I’d love to add something like a Sam for lighter, 
quicker rides, but I’m slow on any bike so I doubt it would make a big 
difference.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:33:38 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Yes...indeed we do, Bill. And all of them have a story
>
> I do like your thinking
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:10:22 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Keith articulated a problem statement:
>>
>> "The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are specialized  or 
>> optimized for one thing but don't get ridden enough because -  in the end - 
>> you're ALWAYS  going to just grab the one you like best and fits the best 
>> and that you are most familiar with.  The one that has become an extension 
>> of you."
>>
>> While I have no doubt that this kind of things DOES happen, I reject the 
>> notion that it MUST happen.  People acquire bikes for lots of reasons, and 
>> later on change their minds about the bike and get rid of them.  Curating a 
>> stable takes effort and self-knowledge, but a well-curated stable is not 
>> impossible.  Plenty of people have stables of 5, 10 or even more bikes, and 
>> are perfectly content to keep them all.  N+1 does not require one to fall 
>> out of love with another bike.  It only depends how much room one has in 
>> their heart for bikes.  Some of us have VERY LARGE HEARTS.  
>>
>> Bill "big-hearted" Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:43:21 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> People typically choose two Rivendell bikes by thinking about what the 
>>> eventual third one will be, and by calculating how they will all complement 
>>> each other and round things out.
>>>
>>> This sounds sort of tongue-in-cheek, but it's common in practice because 
>>> of the addiction/collector gene that all bike geeks possess.   N+1 is 
>>> real.  You're always going to "think" you need another:  One that's lighter 
>>> and suited for long, fast paved trips; or one that has fatter tires and is 
>>> better suited for exploring dirt roads and trails;  or better equipped for 
>>> loaded touring; or one that's equipped as a town bike for shopping and 
>>> carrying things; or one that's robust and fendered for winter commuting.  
>>> So what seems like an obvious answer is to get two models that are as 
>>> different as possible - like a Roadini and a Gus - to cover all bases 
>>> but this thinking is a trap.  
>>>
>>> The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are specialized  or 
>>> optimized for one thing but don't get ridden enough because -  in the end - 
>>> you're ALWAYS  going to just grab the one you like best and fits the best 
>>> and that you are most familiar with.  The one that has become an extension 
>>> of you.
>>>
>>> My advice would be to do the opposite:  Think about the range of riding 
>>> that you do on a *regular* basis, and pick two models separated only by 
>>> that degree of optimization.   If you don't regularly do group rides with 
>>> roadies, you really don't need that Roadini.  If you don't live in the 
>>> mountains, you really don't need that Gus.  If you don't plan to tour - or 
>>> could get by with a lighter load or credit card the one time you do - then 
>>> you don't really need an Atlantis.  You can ALWAYS do those things on any 
>>> other Rivendell model.  You might just go a tiny bit slower.  
>>>
>>> With this thinking, you'll admittedly end up with bikes with a lot of 
>>> functional overlap, but I promise you'll use both of them more.  If you 
>>> tinker with one at a time, you can also experiment with things like 
>>> different cockpit setups and gearing and tires to your heart's content, 
>>> without finding yourself without a bike to ride mid-project, while you're 
>>> tracking down some obscure spacer or ferrule that you didn't know you 
>>> needed.  
>>>
>>> So unless you really DO participate in those more extreme activities, 
>>> you could maybe get a Sam if your tire and fender clearance are good but 
>>> you think you'll regularly need a stiffer frame than the Platypus.  Or get 
>>> a Clem L if you like the step-through but regularly need fatter tires than 
>>> the Platypus.
>>>
>>> Leah, when faced with your exact quandary, did the smartest thing ever 
>>> and just got a second Platypus!  
>>>
>>> I started accumulating rivendells (and other bikes) at a different 
>>> time.  Compared to the much older and more speciaiized ones that I own, the 
>>> current range of Rivendell bikes - with the longer top tubes and longer 
>>> chainstays and slacker head angles and increased tire clearance - across 
>>> the entire range -  are SO good.  Combined with the ready availability of 
>>> 

[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO Crust Juan Martin Bars for 1993 Bridgestone XO-2

[Ryan Frahm]

Hi Emmet, I sent you a message but it could have gone to spam so I’ll make 
a post here. I have a black 26mm clamp Juan Martin that I’m willing to 
sell. I saw the post but had to think about it for a bit. Fell free to 
message me if you are interested!

Ryan

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 11:59:04 AM UTC-8 dylantho...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> The new Simworks X Golden Pliers bar look like they could be an 
> interesting option if you 
> go with a 31.8 stem. I had the Juan's on my XO and while I did enjoy them, 
> wanted a little more
> rise for the stem combo I was running. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:50:17 PM UTC-8 e.q.s...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris, I think the singles bar is a 25.4 clamp, my current stem is 
>> 26.0. If I'm swapping stems I may go for a 31.8 to get something decently 
>> wider.  I have really been enjoying hitting all the rough stuff on this 
>> bike.  Thanks for the offer though!  RE: fork It's definitely tight spacing 
>> and looks a little goofy. Eyeing up the kory york forks for some wider 
>> clearance. I have a friend with an XO-4 that he initially crimped the 
>> original unicrown fork, but he eventually had Ellis cycles build him a new 
>> one( he has 26x2.3" thunder burts in there now).
>>
>> Cheers!
>> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:57:27 AM UTC-5 chris...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a sycip singles bar which is similar to the Juan Martin's for 
>>> sale. 
>>>
>>> Also, how's that front v-brake working? I have a 93 xo-3 with the narrow 
>>> spacing between studs, I think the xo-2 was the same frame/fork with 
>>> different component spec.
>>>
>>> Chris 
>>> NYC
>>> On Monday, 21 November 2022 at 22:41:13 UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>>>
 Nice build. is the crank 110 BCD? Must be with the 33 ring. The bar set 
 up is interesting. 

 Thanks,

 Reginald Alexis

 On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 9:30:50 AM UTC-6 e.q.s...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Looking to switch to flat-ish bars on my Bridgestone XO-2. Its a 
> little small for me, so I am trying to keep the backsweep to a minimum 
> with 
> a 8cm dirt drop stem (26.0). Wondering if anyone has leads? 
>
> Current Build: https://photos.app.goo.gl/oJQj9Qsp1xn1MGFZ8
> (Folded on getting a nice shot of the crankset, but you'll just have 
> to take my word for the Richey Pro 50/33 double) 
>
> Best,
> Emmet
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[RBW] Re: Crankset compatibility

[Ryan Frahm]

The Gus/Susie is a 73mm BB shell, so just one spacer on the drive side is 
needed. 

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 2:40:03 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> You'll need a set of external BB cups for a 30mm spindle, and a couple of 
> 2.5mm spacers to go under the cups, given that your frame has a 68mm rather 
> than 73mm BB shell. And if it hasn't already been done, it's definitely 
> worth getting the BB shell chased and faced to ensure that the cups are 
> coaxial and parallel when installed.
>
> Nick
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[RBW] Re: Crankset compatibility

[Ryan Frahm]

Shouldn’t be a problem. What a beautiful crankset!

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:25:15 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have this crazy idea to put a Cane Creek EE wings titanium crankset on a 
> Gus / Susie. I own the crank. It has a 30mm spindle and has a 176 q factor. 
> It indicates it is compatible with a "BSA 73" bottom bracket. That should 
> work, right? Obviously requires a external BB. 
> Thanks for any insights.
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Re: [RBW] First Ride of the Platypus

[Ryan Frahm]

Beautiful bike!! And a great looking area to ride. Still waiting on parts 
to finish building up my wife’s Platy but I love seeing all the great 
builds and different riding areas. Enjoy!

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:47:27 AM UTC-8 mkernan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey Dave,  the Platy looks perfect!   Where do you live in Mass?The 
> riding looks great.   -Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:27 AM, DavidP  wrote:
>
> This morning I squeezed a quick ride in before work - a dangerous thing 
> with most any bike but, as I learned, especially so with the Platypus. A 
> short ride can feel like an appetizer and there is always the temptation to 
> eke out a few more miles.
>
>
>
> I covered 12 miles of roads, bike paths, and multi-use trails that I've 
> been riding regularly in various loops for the past several years. I have 
> several bikes that are well suited to these types of mixed surface rides 
> and they all bring something different to the table. My Platypus is built 
> with these types of rides in mind with Cliffhanger rims, Gravel King 50mm 
> (rear) and Fleecer Ridge endurance 55mm (front) tires, and 650mm wide Tosco 
> bars.
>
> The Platypus is my first Rivendell and the first one I've ever ridden. 
> I've gotten a few short rides in before this one but those were mostly 
> about setup rather than riding. My goodness, what a bike it is. I guess the 
> best way to describe the ride could be "cruisy zoomy", it's a very easy 
> going yet zippy ride.
>
> It is supremely comfortable and can be a very upright cruiser, though even 
> when ridden this way feels responsive. My setup with a 120mm stem puts me 
> at a ~75 degree back angle with my hands fully rearward on the grips of the 
> Tosco bar, perfect for taking in the scenery and appearing approachable 
> when encountering dog walkers on multi-use trails.
>
> I spend most of my time with the heels of my palms on the front of the 
> grips, palms over the brake lever clamps, fingers either loosely draped 
> over or wrapped around the taped bends of the Tosco bar, giving about a 60 
> degree back angle. This is a good home base position for forward progress, 
> still balanced enough to not put noticeable pressure on the hands.
>
> Moving my hands a bit forward, resting the heels of my palms on the brake 
> lever clamps, and bending the elbows more gets me to a ~45 degree back 
> angle to stretch out a bit or get lower in the face of wind. The forward 
> flats of the bar are also usable when wanting to get to the same angle with 
> less elbow bend and is nice option on open road sections, though I doubt 
> I'll bother taping there.
>
> During standing efforts I can hold the bars back at the grips or up at the 
> bends - both positions work fine and I found myself doing both in different 
> places.
>
> In all positions the fit is roomy and the handling is responsive but not 
> twitchy.
>
> I still haven't installed a front derailleur but a 46x34 low gear is 
> enough to grunt up most of the short climbs on this route. I did opt to 
> walk one short and steep pitch on a trail rather than manually changing to 
> the 30t ring.
>
> I also haven't settled the front carrying method yet but am leaning 
> towards a 137 basket and bag. For this ride temps were in the upper 30Fs 
>  and wanting a place for a layer and extra pair of gloves, I borrowed the 
> Swift Catalyst from my wife's bike to hold those things and my pump. I do 
> plan on putting a bottle cage on the bike but the stem bag is a really 
> convenient spot for the primary water bottle.
>
> A fantastic first ride (including a deer sighting!) for a fantastic bike.
>
> I took a few photos to commemorate the occasion:
>
> 
>
> (Our local open space stewards decorate trees throughout town lands this 
> time of year; it's kind of a scavenger hunt.)
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> (Excuse the poor photo - this guy was a ways off after he and two does 
> dashed across the path in front of me.)
>
> 
>
>
> -Dave (5'11"' on a 60cm Platy in Massachusetts)
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Re: [RBW] Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

[Ryan Frahm]

Another vote for the Kool Stop dual compound v2 pads. They have been 
amazing in all conditions, even snow and freezing rain. 

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:20:21 AM UTC-8 esoter...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> 
>
> I've been really happy with the Kool Stop e-bike pads that Riv sells:  
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/brake-pads-kool-stop-e-bike
>
> They're nicely grippy and have been completely silent for me so far 
> (approximately 6-700 miles). They also seem to be thicker than regular 
> Kool Stops so they should last longer. I originally had them on my 
> Atlantis (since sold), but kept the v-brakes and put them on my BMC 
> Monstercross when I first built it up to see how they'd feel on it. I 
> thought I'd eventually want to switch over to cantis on the Monstercross 
> but so far they've worked out great for me and they're still going strong 
> with no complaints. 
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
> On Nov 29, 2022, at 20:56, 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Hey, Bunch:
>
> What v-brake pads are you running, and what are your thoughts about their 
> function?
>
> I've been running Shimano XTR pads and find they have a "hard" feel to 
> them.
>
> Happy holidays,
>
> Scott in Montana
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you David! I have that saddle broken in now but found it too wide for 
me. Hopefully it works for her! No way she spends over 500 miles to break 
in a saddle. Haha. 

On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 2:22:15 PM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:

> It looks great already - love the saddle! Going to narrower rims should 
> also give a few more millimeters for fenders.
>
> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 2:50:52 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: 0BB42BFC-3110-49EC-B876-961CA57F3245.jpeg]
>>
>> I had the tires sitting around and donated my Rich built Cliffhanger 
>> wheels for now. I think I’ll go for something a bit narrower and lighter 
>> eventually though. I had the 85mm FacePlater so we’ll see how everything 
>> works out when she can ride it. Now I have to wait for the parts I didn’t 
>> have sitting around. I do have brakes but waiting on some Paul levers so no 
>> rush. So far so good I think!
>> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 9:43:00 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Perfect!! Thanks.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 26, 2022, at 10:07 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 26, 2022, at 8:58 AM, DavidP  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah posted it in the "Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious" thread:
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/fBVXpMqGxr8/m/eQx-N_ckBQAJ
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 7:48:46 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I missed it - where can I find this quote?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 25, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Leah Peterson  
 wrote:

 

 
 Hi Masa, so good to “see” you on this forum! Yes, your quote and photo 
 were so memorable it simply needed to be posted here. You are so lucky 
 that 
 Blue Lug is your local shop; they are creative geniuses. I love that 
 two-color bar tape on your bars. How do you like your new Platypus? You 
 said it’s your first Rivendell - does it live up to your expectations? 
 Thank you for posting and sharing your new bike with us. Hope to hear more 
 from you on this forum!
 Leah

 On Nov 25, 2022, at 8:42 PM, Masa  wrote:

  

 Hello, I live in Tokyo and have been a fan of Rivendell since luckily 
 my local bike shop is Blue Lug! The other day I finally got my Platypus as 
 my first Riv.

 I found that Leah mentioned about my Instagram post on the other thread 
 and really appreciate that.

 It was just my understanding what Grant (and the mechanic who built my 
 Platty from Blue Lug) like to tell the owners of  Riv. So it’s not my 
 original but just a reflection :)

 Masa

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[RBW] Re: Platypus max tire with fenders?

[Ryan Frahm]

Very Nice Mackenzy! I was actually thinking of those fenders for my Clem, 
and possibly the Platypus. The SW  Honjo fender is a bit more work to 
install but definitely worth it in my opinion. 

On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 4:36:16 PM UTC-8 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I splurged and put Simworks Flat 65's on my Clem - They work really really 
> well to give a lot of clearance especially if you use something that isn't 
> a slick that might toss and occasional pebble. 
>
> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 2:37:12 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great information, thank you! I just unboxed my wife’s frame a couple 
>> hours ago.  Frame saver sprayed and drying now. I’m very excited to build 
>> it up for her! She hasn’t decided on fenders or tire size yet. I did a 
>> quick test fit of a Fleecer Ridge that I have on a Cliffhanger and it was 
>> tight up front. Didn’t pay a lot of attention to above the tire, maybe with 
>> something like a flat Honjo fender? She really wants the Ultradynamico grey 
>> tires but 42mm ish or 2.2” are the options. We’ll see how it comes together 
>> when parts start coming in!
>>
>> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 1:40:02 PM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell says "up to 48mm fendered" and I've seen a few Platypus builds 
>>> with fendered Shikoro's. I have a 700x50 Gravel King on the back of my 
>>> Platypus and it looks like there's room for a fender. Clearance actually 
>>> looks tighter at the fork, both vertically to the crown and in width as the 
>>> distance between the lugs at the crown is only 60mm.
>>>
>>> My front tire is a Fleecer Ridge and I test fit a Planet Bike Cascadia 
>>> 60mm fender, which is fairly flat and thin, and the vertical clearance 
>>> between the top of the tire and the inside of the fender at the fork crown 
>>> was only a few millimeters - it seems too close for a knobby. The same 
>>> fender looks ok on the back at all the stay intersections.
>>>
>>> So it seems like 48mm is a good general max, but you could probably 
>>> squeeze 50s with the right fenders.
>>>
>>> I have another bike with a fendered Juniper Ridge front (same tread as 
>>> the Fleecer ridge but 650x48) and it's actually not too bad in the noise 
>>> department.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 4:01:32 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 After 1 ride on my new to me Platypus, I am thinking larger tires. I 
 have 42mm tires now because they were in the bin and would work with the 
 bin fenders too. How big a tire you running with fenders on your Platypus? 
 Mine is a 60cm for reference. I have some Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires, 
 but think they would constantly be throwing noisy dirt/pebbles if they fit 
 at all with fenders. I like a quiet riding experience.
 any experience is greatly appreciated.
 Tom Palmer
 Twin Lake, MI

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus max tire with fenders?

[Ryan Frahm]

Great information, thank you! I just unboxed my wife’s frame a couple hours 
ago.  Frame saver sprayed and drying now. I’m very excited to build it up 
for her! She hasn’t decided on fenders or tire size yet. I did a quick test 
fit of a Fleecer Ridge that I have on a Cliffhanger and it was tight up 
front. Didn’t pay a lot of attention to above the tire, maybe with 
something like a flat Honjo fender? She really wants the Ultradynamico grey 
tires but 42mm ish or 2.2” are the options. We’ll see how it comes together 
when parts start coming in!

On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 1:40:02 PM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:

> Rivendell says "up to 48mm fendered" and I've seen a few Platypus builds 
> with fendered Shikoro's. I have a 700x50 Gravel King on the back of my 
> Platypus and it looks like there's room for a fender. Clearance actually 
> looks tighter at the fork, both vertically to the crown and in width as the 
> distance between the lugs at the crown is only 60mm.
>
> My front tire is a Fleecer Ridge and I test fit a Planet Bike Cascadia 
> 60mm fender, which is fairly flat and thin, and the vertical clearance 
> between the top of the tire and the inside of the fender at the fork crown 
> was only a few millimeters - it seems too close for a knobby. The same 
> fender looks ok on the back at all the stay intersections.
>
> So it seems like 48mm is a good general max, but you could probably 
> squeeze 50s with the right fenders.
>
> I have another bike with a fendered Juniper Ridge front (same tread as the 
> Fleecer ridge but 650x48) and it's actually not too bad in the noise 
> department.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 4:01:32 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> After 1 ride on my new to me Platypus, I am thinking larger tires. I have 
>> 42mm tires now because they were in the bin and would work with the bin 
>> fenders too. How big a tire you running with fenders on your Platypus? Mine 
>> is a 60cm for reference. I have some Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires, but 
>> think they would constantly be throwing noisy dirt/pebbles if they fit at 
>> all with fenders. I like a quiet riding experience.
>> any experience is greatly appreciated.
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
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