Re: [RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[esoterica etc]

Nick, I believe your currency setting on the Analog website is set to Australian dollars; I got $693 when I plugged in AUD. Scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page and reset it to US dollars and it should show $445 USD. ~MarkKailua, HIOn Feb 9, 2024, at 11:20, Nick Payne  wrote:On Saturday 10 February 2024 at 12:20:24 am UTC+11 Andy Beichler wrote:When I add the prices you listed for Peter White's site, I get a $10 savings.  Did I misread your post? The link to Analog Cycles in the original post shows me a price of $693 for the complete cranks. The prices from Peter White, when added up, come to about $440.<103673.png>



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Re: [RBW] WTB wavie bar

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Hi Jason,I've got a Wavie bar that I'm not using and would be happy to move it along. I was thinking about $70 plus shipping, but since I live in Hawaii I'd split the shipping cost with you. How does that sound? Cheers,~MarkOn Jan 19, 2024, at 05:10, J Schwartz  wrote:GreetingsCurious if anyone is sitting on a wavie bar and would like to move it onPlease let me know if so thanksJS



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[RBW] Re: Spring Estate Sale

[esoterica etc]

Hey Everyone,

Here's an updated list with the items that are still left, and price drops 
on most items. The prices listed do not include shipping, but I’ll be using 
Pirateship.com <http://pirateship.com/> and Bikeflights to ship, and I’ve 
got boxes of all shapes and sizes and a postage scale, so I can find the 
best rates to ship your stuff. *PayPal or money order accepted for payment*. 
If you’d like more pics or info, please reach out; I’m usually pretty quick 
about getting back to you. Local pickup welcome in Raleigh, NC for those of 
you nearby, and you can save on the shipping charge. Thanks for looking and 
have a great week!


~Mark Higa

Raleigh, NC


Link to pics are here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15VSiRPltFOZVcXxU9f5AZRIR8Stwf2VG?usp=sharing



*Tires*

   1. Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge 700c x 42 Extralight casing, brand new in 
   unopened bag - $70 single
   2. Pacenti Pari Moto 650b x 42mm (27.5 x 1.75), extensive use - $10
   3. Pacenti Pari Moto 650b x 38mm (27.5 x 1.50), extensive use - $10


*Bags and Racks*

   1. Osprey Escapist 30 backpack (excellent on- and off-bike utility, good 
   review here: https://www.trailspace.com/gear/osprey/escapist-30/ ) - $65
   2. Timbuk2 convertible backpack/shoulder bag, red - $50
   3. Timbuk2 Bolo XL waterproof messenger bag, heavy use; gray, yellow, 
   maroon - $10
   4. Portland Design Works Takeout basket rack with roll-top bag - $50
   5. Arkel Randonneur rack (includes wide rails adapter, for use with 
   Brooks and similar saddles) - $35


*Shifters*

   1. Microshift right bar end 10-speed shifter (index or friction), brand 
   new - $35
   2. Suntour Power Ratchet downtube shifters - $15
   3. Shimano 600 downtube braze-on shifters, friction only - $25
   4. Suntour 3000 Alpha Accushift downtube braze-on shifters - $10


*Cranks*

   1. Rivendell Silver triple crankset, 44/34/24 with 173mm arms, 110/74 
   BCD - $180
   2. Shimano 600 double cranks, 170mm arms, 130 BCD - $25
   3. Suntour Cyclone double cranks, 170mm arms, 144 BCD - $20


*Brakes/Brake Levers*

Brakes-

   1. Shimano 600 BR-6207 side pull brakes (47-57mm reach) - $25
   2. Shimano 600 BR-6208 side pull brakes (39-49mm reach) - $25
   3. Suntour Cyclone side pull brakes - $10
   4. Dia Compe center pull brakes - $10


Brake Levers-

   1. Shimano Tiagra (the kind that Riv sells) - $30
   2. Dia Compe non-aero levers w/ quick release and Cane Creek gum hoods - 
   $25
   3. Tektro RX 2.0 cross “interrupter” levers - $10
   4. Dia Compe AGC levers w/ black Dia Compe hoods - $15
   5. Suntour XC LTD levers (22.2 clamp diameter) - $15


*Handlebars*

   1. Salsa Moto Ace 560mm wide, 25.4 clamp diameter, 17* sweep - $20


*Cassettes and Chains*

   1. SRAM 12-26 10-speed cassette - $20
   2. SRAM 12-26 8-speed cassette - $15
   3. KMC X10 10-speed chain, fitted (but not cut) on bike, unused; decided 
   to use a 9-speed chain - $15


*Derailleurs (front & rear)*

Rear derailleurs-

   1. Shimano Deore DX RD-M650 long cage - $20
   2. Shimano Deore RD-MT62 long cage - $15
   3. Suntour XC-Expert Accushift Plus - $15
   4. Shimano 600 RD-6207 short cage (two available) - $15 each


Front derailleurs-

   1. Shimano XT FD-M739 bottom pull 31.8 clamp - $20
   2. Shimano Deore FD-M510 9 speed bottom pull 34.9 clamp - $15
   3. Shimano 105 FD-5600 bottom pull 31.8 clamp - $20


*Misc.*

   1. Kool Stop thinline salmon pads, 3 pairs- two pair are new (one pair 
   was mounted but didn’t work with my brake/rim combo) - $25
   2. Icebreaker Bodyfitzone seamless merino wool underwear, brand new in 
   box - $30
   3. CrankBrothers Stamp 1 pedals special edition white w/ gold pins (near 
   new) - $25
   4. All City anodized pedals red cages with Sakae leather straps and toe 
   clips - $20
   5. Mountain Hardwear technical short sleeve polo w/ quarter zip, size S, 
   black & light olive - $10
   6. Sidi leather/nylon cycling shoes, size 42 (9 US) - $30
   7. Kalloy 26.8 seat post, 300mm length - $10
   8. Two Vittoria lite inner tubes, 700c/27” x 25-32mm - $10/pair


*Freebies (free with any purchase)*

   1. Brand-new bottle of expired Orange Seal Endurance with syringe
   2. 30.0 seat post clamp (brand new)
   3. Two mesh reflective vests, brand new in packaging



On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 7:24:49 AM UTC-4 esoterica etc wrote:

> Howdy y’all,
>
>
> Happy May! Thanks to everyone that helped me scale down last fall for my 
> family’s upcoming move to Hawaii. I’ve gathered together the last of my 
> parts and components to sell for one last push to get us on our way.
>
>
> The prices listed do not include shipping, but I’ll be using 
> Pirateship.com and Bikeflights to ship, and I’ve got boxes of all shapes 
> and sizes and a postage scale, so I can find the best rates to ship your 
> stuff. *PayPal or money order accepted for payment*. If you’d like more 
> pics or info, please reach out; I’m usually pretty qui

Re: [RBW] Re: Spring Estate Sale

[esoterica etc]

Hi Pam,

Sorry I didn't reply until just now, I've been on the road all day and just
now got to my hotel. The Kool Stop brake pads I'm selling would work fine
with your Tektro 559's since the Tektro's arms require a threaded-type
brake pad, which is what these are. The only thing to be aware of is that
the length of the pads you have on there right now are most likely 54-55mm
long, and the Kool Stops are 72mm long. And sorry, the bell has been spoken
for already.

I'm in Wendell, which is east Raleigh, near Knightdale. I'm out of state at
the moment but I'll be flying back home tomorrow; my plane lands at
3pm, but unfortunately I'll be busy the rest of the day. How long are you
in town for? I've got some business in north Raleigh Wednesday morning and
could possibly meet you somewhere around there. Travel safely!

~Mark


On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 11:18 AM Pam Bikes  wrote:

> Would the brake pads fit in my Tektro 559?  Also interested in the bell.
> I'll be at the Cary Amtrak tomorrow.  Where are you located?
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 7:24:49 AM UTC-4 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Howdy y’all,
>>
>>
>> Happy May! Thanks to everyone that helped me scale down last fall for my
>> family’s upcoming move to Hawaii. I’ve gathered together the last of my
>> parts and components to sell for one last push to get us on our way.
>>
>>
>> The prices listed do not include shipping, but I’ll be using
>> Pirateship.com and Bikeflights to ship, and I’ve got boxes of all shapes
>> and sizes and a postage scale, so I can find the best rates to ship your
>> stuff. *PayPal or money order accepted for payment*. If you’d like more
>> pics or info, please reach out; I’m usually pretty quick about getting back
>> to you. Local pickup welcome in Raleigh, NC for those of you nearby, and
>> you can save on the shipping charge. Thanks for looking and have a great
>> week!
>>
>>
>> ~Mark Higa
>>
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> Link to pics are here:
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15VSiRPltFOZVcXxU9f5AZRIR8Stwf2VG?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>> *Tires*
>>
>>1. Pair of Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge 700c x 42 Endurance casing,
>>brand new in unopened bags - $150/pair
>>2. Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge 700c x 42 Extralight casing, brand new
>>in unopened bag - $75 single
>>3. Pair of Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass 700c x 44 Endurance casing,
>>light use - $100/pair
>>4. Pacenti Pari Moto 650b x 42mm (27.5 x 1.75), extensive use - $15
>>5. Pacenti Pari Moto 650b x 38mm (27.5 x 1.50), extensive use - $15
>>
>>
>> *Bags and Racks*
>>
>>1. Osprey Escapist 30 backpack (excellent on- and off-bike utility,
>>good review here: https://www.trailspace.com/gear/osprey/escapist-30/
>>) - $75
>>2. Velo Orange Day Tripper saddle bag, older style, out-of-production
>>color - $55
>>3. Timbuk2 convertible backpack/shoulder bag, red - $60
>>4. Timbuk2 Bolo XL waterproof messenger bag, heavy use; gray, yellow,
>>maroon - $20
>>5. Portland Design Works Takeout basket rack with roll-top bag - $65
>>6. Arkel Randonneur rack (includes wide rails adapter, for use with
>>Brooks and similar saddles) - $50
>>7. Unknown vintage stem rack/standoff for handlebar bag - $20
>>8. Pletscher sprung clamp rack silver  - $15
>>
>>
>> *Shifters*
>>
>>1. Rivendell Silver 1 bar end shifters with Shimano pods - $50
>>2. Microshift right bar end 10-speed shifter (index or friction),
>>brand new - $40
>>3. Suntour Power Ratchet downtube shifters - $20
>>4. Suntour Accushift right thumb shifter, 7/8 speed index or friction
>>- $15
>>5. Shimano 600 downtube braze-on shifters, friction only - $30
>>6. Suntour 3000 Alpha Accushift downtube braze-on shifters - $15
>>7. Shimano Deore SL-MT62 7-speed indexed/friction thumb shifters - $15
>>
>>
>> *Cranks*
>>
>>1. Rivendell Silver triple crankset, 44/34/24 with 173mm arms, 110/74
>>BCD - $190
>>2. Shimano 600 double cranks, 170mm arms, 130 BCD - $30
>>3. Suntour Cyclone double cranks, 170mm arms, 144 BCD - $25
>>
>>
>> *Brakes/Brake Levers*
>>
>> Brakes-
>>
>>1. Shimano 600 BR-6207 side pull brakes (47-57mm reach) - $30
>>2. Shimano 600 BR-6208 side pull brakes (39-49mm reach) - $30
>>3. Suntour Cyclone side pull brakes - $15
>>4. Dia Compe center pull brakes - $15
>>
>>
>> Brake Levers-
>>
>>1. Shimano Tiagra (the kind that Riv sells) - $35
>>2. Dia Compe non-aero levers w/ quick release and Cane Creek gum
>>hoods - $30
>>3. Tektro RX 2.0 cross “interrupter” levers - $15
>>4. Dia Compe AGC levers w/ black Dia Compe hoods - $20
>>5. Suntour XC LTD levers (22.2 clamp diameter) - $20
>>
>>
>> *Handlebars*
>>
>>1. Soma Portola 530mm wide, 26.0 clamp diameter - $20
>>2. Salsa Moto Ace 560mm wide, 25.4 clamp diameter, 17* sweep - $20
>>
>>
>> *Cassettes and Chains*
>>
>>1. Shimano CS-HG80 11-32 9-speed cassette, brand new - $40
>>2. Shimano 13-26 8-speed 

[RBW] Spring Estate Sale

[esoterica etc]

 

Howdy y’all,


Happy May! Thanks to everyone that helped me scale down last fall for my 
family’s upcoming move to Hawaii. I’ve gathered together the last of my 
parts and components to sell for one last push to get us on our way.


The prices listed do not include shipping, but I’ll be using Pirateship.com 
and Bikeflights to ship, and I’ve got boxes of all shapes and sizes and a 
postage scale, so I can find the best rates to ship your stuff. *PayPal or 
money order accepted for payment*. If you’d like more pics or info, please 
reach out; I’m usually pretty quick about getting back to you. Local pickup 
welcome in Raleigh, NC for those of you nearby, and you can save on the 
shipping charge. Thanks for looking and have a great week!


~Mark Higa

Raleigh, NC


Link to pics are here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15VSiRPltFOZVcXxU9f5AZRIR8Stwf2VG?usp=sharing


*Tires*

   1. Pair of Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge 700c x 42 Endurance casing, brand 
   new in unopened bags - $150/pair 
   2. Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge 700c x 42 Extralight casing, brand new in 
   unopened bag - $75 single 
   3. Pair of Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass 700c x 44 Endurance casing, light 
   use - $100/pair 
   4. Pacenti Pari Moto 650b x 42mm (27.5 x 1.75), extensive use - $15 
   5. Pacenti Pari Moto 650b x 38mm (27.5 x 1.50), extensive use - $15


*Bags and Racks*

   1. Osprey Escapist 30 backpack (excellent on- and off-bike utility, good 
   review here: https://www.trailspace.com/gear/osprey/escapist-30/ ) - $75 
   2. Velo Orange Day Tripper saddle bag, older style, out-of-production 
   color - $55 
   3. Timbuk2 convertible backpack/shoulder bag, red - $60 
   4. Timbuk2 Bolo XL waterproof messenger bag, heavy use; gray, yellow, 
   maroon - $20 
   5. Portland Design Works Takeout basket rack with roll-top bag - $65 
   6. Arkel Randonneur rack (includes wide rails adapter, for use with 
   Brooks and similar saddles) - $50 
   7. Unknown vintage stem rack/standoff for handlebar bag - $20 
   8. Pletscher sprung clamp rack silver  - $15 


*Shifters*

   1. Rivendell Silver 1 bar end shifters with Shimano pods - $50 
   2. Microshift right bar end 10-speed shifter (index or friction), brand 
   new - $40 
   3. Suntour Power Ratchet downtube shifters - $20 
   4. Suntour Accushift right thumb shifter, 7/8 speed index or friction - 
   $15 
   5. Shimano 600 downtube braze-on shifters, friction only - $30 
   6. Suntour 3000 Alpha Accushift downtube braze-on shifters - $15 
   7. Shimano Deore SL-MT62 7-speed indexed/friction thumb shifters - $15 


*Cranks*

   1. Rivendell Silver triple crankset, 44/34/24 with 173mm arms, 110/74 
   BCD - $190 
   2. Shimano 600 double cranks, 170mm arms, 130 BCD - $30 
   3. Suntour Cyclone double cranks, 170mm arms, 144 BCD - $25 


*Brakes/Brake Levers*

Brakes-

   1. Shimano 600 BR-6207 side pull brakes (47-57mm reach) - $30 
   2. Shimano 600 BR-6208 side pull brakes (39-49mm reach) - $30 
   3. Suntour Cyclone side pull brakes - $15 
   4. Dia Compe center pull brakes - $15 


Brake Levers-

   1. Shimano Tiagra (the kind that Riv sells) - $35 
   2. Dia Compe non-aero levers w/ quick release and Cane Creek gum hoods - 
   $30 
   3. Tektro RX 2.0 cross “interrupter” levers - $15 
   4. Dia Compe AGC levers w/ black Dia Compe hoods - $20 
   5. Suntour XC LTD levers (22.2 clamp diameter) - $20 


*Handlebars*

   1. Soma Portola 530mm wide, 26.0 clamp diameter - $20 
   2. Salsa Moto Ace 560mm wide, 25.4 clamp diameter, 17* sweep - $20 


*Cassettes and Chains*

   1. Shimano CS-HG80 11-32 9-speed cassette, brand new - $40 
   2. Shimano 13-26 8-speed cassette - $20 
   3. SRAM 12-26 10-speed cassette - $20 
   4. SRAM 12-26 8-speed cassette - $15 
   5. KMC X10 10-speed chain, fitted (but not cut) on bike, unused; decided 
   to use a 9-speed chain - $15 


*Derailleurs (front & rear)*

Rear derailleurs-

   1. Shimano Deore DX RD-M650 long cage - $25 
   2. Shimano Deore RD-MT62 long cage - $20 
   3. Suntour XC-Expert Accushift Plus - $20  
   4. Shimano 600 RD-6207 short cage (two available) - $20 each 


Front derailleurs-

   1. Shimano XT FD-M739 bottom pull 31.8 clamp - $25 
   2. Shimano Deore FD-M510 9 speed bottom pull 34.9 clamp - $20 
   3. Shimano 105 FD-5600 bottom pull 31.8 clamp - $25 
   4. Shimano 600 bottom pull 28.6 clamp - $20 


*Misc.*

   1. Kool Stop thinline salmon pads, 3 pairs- two pair are new (one pair 
   was mounted but didn’t work with my brake/rim combo) - $25 
   2. Velo Orange 1” threaded decaleur kit, includes receiver and bag mount 
   - $20 
   3. Icebreaker Bodyfitzone seamless merino wool underwear, brand new in 
   box - $30 
   4. CrankBrothers Stamp 1 pedals special edition white w/ gold pins (near 
   new) - $40 
   5. All City anodized pedals red cages with Sakae leather straps and toe 
   clips - $30 
   6. Lyotard pedals - $10 
   7. Crane brass bell - $10 
   8. Mountain Hardwear technical short sleeve polo w/ quarter 

Re: [RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[esoterica etc]

Hey Eric,

I noticed that you've got a Rene Herse knobby in front and a RH slick in the 
rear. Can you comment on how that combo compares to running two knobbies or two 
slicks? I'm thinking about doing the same to my "poor man's" monstercross and 
was hoping you could provide some experiential insight. Thanks,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Feb 23, 2023, at 15:16, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> LOL, thanks for the intel, Tommy, I missed this!
> 
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:52:12 AM UTC-5 Tommy Patterson wrote:
>> And your bike was featured in a random The Pros Closet email this morning 
>> (linking to Radavist article). The email also had links to "The best 
>> mountain bike upgrades"  "Shop presidents' day markdowns" and a rather 
>> ironic article above yours titled "How much suspension travel do you need?" 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:31 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>> Thanks, John! Fun to see it up there with a nice big slide show
>>> 
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:58:40 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
> Eric did it, his bike is featured on The Radavist...
> 
> https://theradavist.com/erics-1985-bridgestone-mb-2-review/
> 
> Well done Eric!
> 
> JohnS
> 
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 5:48:04 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Thank you, Jose :) 
>> 
>> From what I recall Grant was fairly new at Bridgestone when the '85s 
>> came out. Sometime in 2022 I read an account written by Grant about when 
>> he first influenced any of the bike design or specifications and when he 
>> designed his first frames but I can't recall the dates or where I read 
>> this. Probably in a Blahg. 
>> 
>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 12:19:51 PM UTC-5 Jose wrote:
>>> Amazing build! Did Grant P design the 1985 MB-1 and MB-2? 
>>> 
 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:06:27 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I 
 have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
 
 
 
 I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but 
 for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the 
 frame over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts 
 to the fork and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a 
 third bottle boss to the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to 
 the underside. He also stripped the frame to raw steel. 
 
 
 
 Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications 
 of patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer 
 and wax. 
 
 
 
 It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
 De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
 RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque 
 Phelan. Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. 
 Crust x Nitto Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
 
 
 
 I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
 which I shaped and finished. 
 
 
 
 Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an 
 XTR M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by 
 Andre at my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires 
 with a Rat Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
 
 Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
 them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
 
 • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
 • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
 • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
 • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
 • Kasai 32H front hub
 • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
 • Busch + Müller light mount
 • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
 • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
 • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
 • Suntour Superbe levers
 • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
 • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
 • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
 • Dia Compe yoke hangers
 • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
 • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
 • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
 • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
 • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
 • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
 • MKS XC-III pedals
 • Suntour AR front derailer
 • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
 • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[esoterica etc]

+1 on fellowship! I think Joe is right; that term IS perfect! Thanks Leah, you 
always seem to have just the right thing to say. Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Mar 26, 2023, at 16:45, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> "A fellowship. A fellowship of Rivendells.
> 
> (Tolkien fans: you know.)"
> 
> PERFECT. 
> 
> Paul M: I believe that Platypus-looking frame is indeed a Platy sans decals 
> and with a replacement fork. 
> 
> Joe Bernard 
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 7:41:04 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>> A fellowship. A fellowship of Rivendells.
>> 
>> (Tolkien fans: you know.)
>> 
>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:13:46 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>> an exaltation of Rivendells or maybe since it's a garage sale a haggle of  
>>> Rivendells...or wait...no haggling
>>> 
>>> or a bike of Rivendells (also a bike of hornets)
>>> 
>>> Love those collective nouns for creatures
>>> https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/word-lists/list-of-names-for-groups-of-animals.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
 Its owner said the frame was bare metal when it was purchased, and RBW 
 offered to paint it. 
 
 I love all the custom touches people have added to their bikes. 
 
 What’s the collective noun for a group of bicycles? A flock of geese, a 
 pride of lions, a murder of crows, a _ of Rivendells?
 
 
 
 
> On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
 
> Is that custom paint, or was there an orange Atlantis at some point?
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:08 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>> Did you achieve #7?
>> 
>> (Beautiful Atlantis )
>> 
>> k.
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Matthew Williams  
>>> wrote:
> 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

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> On Feb 28, 2023, at 12:50, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> I will say, after running a couple sets of Motolites and most recently 
> setting up and riding a pair of Avid V brakes ... the Avids work just as well 
> and are even easier to set up. They just lack fanciness. 

Jason, curious as to specifically which Avid V-brakes you were referring to 
here? Very interested in a brake that's comparable in function to the Motolites 
but without the price tag. Thanks,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

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Dick,

I live in the flatlands of Raleigh, but my wife and I had a chance to go on 
a terrific gravel ride with Michael on a visit to Boone. Michael's a 
wonderful guy and he knows a bunch of great rides in the area. Y'all have 
some excellent terrain up there in western NC. If you ever find yourself 
near Boone, reach out to him. It's always a hoot to connect with someone on 
the list in person. Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:32:23 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:

> I ride an Atlantis in Boone. Went to high school in Brevard. My folks 
> still live there. You may see my dad riding an old diamond back with 
> albatross bars I found in a junk pile and built up for him. He installed an 
> electric assist on it! 
>
> Michael
> Boone, NC
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:
>
>> I ride my Hillborne further East in Greensboro, but after riding back 
>> home from Floyd two summers ago, I've been wanting to spend more time 
>> riding in the mountains.
>>
>> Denis, in NC
>> Le lundi 13 février 2023 à 12:21:08 UTC-5, Dick Pahle a écrit :
>>
>>> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
>>> Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus questions

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> On Feb 10, 2023, at 07:33, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> There is a website ( but I forgot the name ) that superimposes bike 
> geometries over each other for comparison, but there’s nothing like a test 
> ride. There’s a similar site for handlebars. 
> 
> Roberta 
> Philadelphia 

The website Roberta is thinking of that superimposes bikes over each other is 
bikeinsights.com, and the handlebar one is whatbars.com- both excellent 
resources for comparison. 

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

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John,

The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use the same 
short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro cantilevers. 
The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
> 
> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should give 
> them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I like the 
> idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the front as seen 
> on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
> 
> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
> 
> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake levels, 
> one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using Mark/noodle drop 
> bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably priced at 
> $30/pair.
> 
> Any suggestions are appreciated,
> JohnS
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

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> On Jan 5, 2023, at 21:38, J G  wrote:
> 
> Setup is the most important thing with brakes and good compassionless housing.

This is true- the less sympathy your housing feels, the better it will be able 
to do its job. 

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

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Re: [RBW] Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

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I've been really happy with the Kool Stop e-bike pads that Riv sells:  
https://www.rivbike.com/products/brake-pads-kool-stop-e-bike

They're nicely grippy and have been completely silent for me so far 
(approximately 6-700 miles). They also seem to be thicker than regular Kool 
Stops so they should last longer. I originally had them on my Atlantis (since 
sold), but kept the v-brakes and put them on my BMC Monstercross when I first 
built it up to see how they'd feel on it. I thought I'd eventually want to 
switch over to cantis on the Monstercross but so far they've worked out great 
for me and they're still going strong with no complaints. 

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

> On Nov 29, 2022, at 20:56, 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey, Bunch:
> 
> What v-brake pads are you running, and what are your thoughts about their 
> function?
> 
> I've been running Shimano XTR pads and find they have a "hard" feel to them.
> 
> Happy holidays,
> 
> Scott in Montana
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

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> On Nov 28, 2022, at 15:14, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, my opinions are opinions. In my opinion. 
>> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:35:53 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> But that's the point, Joe. If you learn the skill -- it's not rocket 
>> science, for chrissake! -- you don't hunt, you just shift accurately. This 
>> assumes that your drivetrain components are basically decent in quality and 
>> condition.
>> 
>> As for choosing the easier method and thinking the slightly harder method -- 
>> requiring some little practice to acquire a skill -- is silly, well that's 
>> one person's choice and opinion, but not another's.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 3:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> ... I think hunting around for the next cog just because you can is silly, 
>>> the clicks work. 
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[RBW] What dual short/long pull brake levers are out there?

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Howdy all,

I'm in need of a matching pair of brake levers that are interchangeable 
between short pull and long pull. Because of a front rack non-compatibility 
issue with my current canti brakes, I'll have to use a v-brake in front, 
but I'd to keep the canti brake in the rear.

I'm aware of the Shimano BLR780 which Riv sells, but ideally I'd like 
something with a longer lever body. Does anyone know of any other levers, 
by Shimano or any other brand, that has the criteria that I'm looking for? 
Thanks,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

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[RBW] FS: "Estate Sale" of components and gear, part deux

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Howdy again,


Here’s part two of my massive “estate sale”, in order to clear everything 
out for my family’s upcoming cross-Pacific move in the spring. Big thanks 
to those who’ve already bought stuff; you’re making my life easier one 
shipped box at a time. 


The prices listed do not include shipping, but I’ll be using Pirateship.com 
 and Bikeflights to ship, and I’ve got boxes of all 
shapes and sizes and a postage scale, so I can find you the best rates to 
ship your stuff. *PayPal, money order, or cash accepted for payment*. If 
you’d like more pics or info about any of the items, please reach out; I’m 
usually pretty quick about getting back to you. To make it easier and 
quicker for me to get you an accurate shipping quote, please include your 
address (or zip code at the very least) with your inquiries. Local pickup 
in Raleigh, NC for those of you nearby. The more things you buy, the more 
we can wheel and deal! Thanks for looking and have a great week!


~Mark Higa

Raleigh, NC


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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ghcJHfjpTpNnOnzh0-gMGhRjlJR6ge5V?usp=sharing


*Tires*

   1. Rene Herse Oracle Ridge 700c x 48mm. Extralight casing, tan sidewall, 
   <150 miles (They’re amazing, but I couldn’t fit them under the fenders I 
   installed on my Monstercross, so I had to go with narrower tires) - 
   $135/pair
   2. Compass Steilacoom 700c x 38mm knobbies. Standard casing, tan 
   sidewall, heavy use - $45/pair
   3. Schwalbe G-One All-Round 650b x 40mm, black sidewalls, extended use - 
   $40/pair
   4. Panaracer Gravelking Slick 650b x 48mm, black sidewalls, moderate use 
   - $50/pair



   1. Single Panaracer Pacenti Pari-Moto 650b x 38mm, black sidewall, brand 
   new in package - $25
   2. Single Panaracer Gravelking Slick 700c x 28mm, black sidewall. Less 
   than 50 miles - $15
   3. Single Panaracer Pacenti Pari-Moto 650b x 42mm, black sidewall, 
   extended use - $10



*Handlebars, Grips and Tape*

   1. Soma Portola 56cm wide, 26.0 clamp - $25
   2. Soma Portola 53cm wide, 26.0 clamp - $25
   3. Velo Orange Milan, 25.4 clamp - $20
   4. Origin8 Off Road Space Bar - $15
   5. Bar-end grips (measure 3” from center of clamp to tip) - $5


   1. Extra Chunky ESI grips, pink - $10
   2. Khaki cushioned bar tape (Riv used to sell this), brand new - $15
   3. Random grips - $5/pair
   4. Big bag o’ used bar tapes and such - $10


   

*Hubs*

   

   1. Shimano 105 HB/FH5500 32-hole hubset, 130mm OLD rear (front hub is 
   brand new) - $6
   2. Shimano Dura Ace FH-7400/HB-7100 36-hole hubset, 126mm OLD rear - $50
   3. Shimano XTR HB-M900 front hub, 32-hole - $30
   4. Shimano XTR front skewer - $15


*Pedals*

   1. Suntour XC Bear Trap (recently regreased bearings, but no dust caps) 
   - $50
   2. Shimano XT PD-M730 Bear Trap - $30
   3. Specialized Touring with Christophe toe clips and original 
   Specialized leather straps - $65
   4. CrankBrothers Stamp 1 special edition white w/ gold pins (near new) - 
   $40
   5. All City anodized red cages with Sakae leather straps and toe clips - 
   $30


*Stems*

(All stems measured center of bolt to center of clamp)

   1. Nitto Technomic Deluxe, 11cm reach, 25.4 clamp - $30
   2. Nitto Dynamic II, 7cm reach, 25.4 clamp - $20
   3. SR Custom, 10.5cm, 25.4 clamp - $15
   4. SR Custom, 10.5cm, 25.4 clamp - $15
   5. Kusuki, 10.5cm, 26.0 clamp - $15


Seatposts

(All seat posts $10 each)

   1. Unbranded 26.8, 350mm length
   2. Kalloy 26.8, 300mm length
   3. Unbranded 26.0, 300mm length


*Clothing*

   1. Randi Jo waxed canvas cycling cap with “Rivelo ’04” on side, dark 
   grey - $15
   2. Icebreaker Bodyfitzone seamless merino wool underwear, brand new in 
   box - $30
   3. Icebreaker 100% wool beanie, size M, light heather loden - $15
   4. Mountain Hardwear technical short sleeve polo w/ quarter zip, size S, 
   black & light olive - $10
   5. Sidi leather w/ nylon cycling shoes, size 42 (9 US) - $35
   6. Canari convertible jacket w/ removable sleeves, men’s Medium - $25
   7. Sugoi Resistor Aero shoe covers, Large - $15
   8. Pearl Izumi leg warmers, Small - $10
   9. Nathan arm warmers w/ reflective band, Small/Med. - $5
   10. Two mesh reflective vests, brand new in packaging - $10/each
   11. Heavyweight wool pants, waist 32” inseam ~29.5” (I believe these 
   were Swiss issue military pants) - $25
   12. Banana Republic brown 100% wool pants (I was planning on having 
   someone tailor these into cycling shorts/knickers) - $10


*Misc.*

   

   1. Suntour Cyclone cranks, 170mm length, 144 BCD - $30


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[RBW] Re: FS: "Estate Sale" of components and gear, part I

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Happy Sunday everyone,

Just posting a weekend update with a current list of what's still 
available, and a few price drops. Be sure to also check out my "estate 
sale" part deux, there's much more stuff on there. And the shipping so far 
has been pretty reasonable, with most packages being in the $8-10 range. 
Thanks for looking and have a great weekend!

~Mark Higa
Raleigh, NC


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Bags


Rivendell TrunkSack Small dark grey grid, excellent condition - $65

Rivendell TrunkSack Small olive - $60

Ortlieb Back Roller classic pair orange - $70

Ortlieb Front Roller pair white, brand new - $100

Timbuk2 convertible backpack bag red - $60

Jandd Touring Handlebar Pack II - $25

Banjo Brothers pannier black - $15

Trek Interchange pannier black - $15

Sunlite pannier black - $10



Saddles


Specialized saddle black - $15



Racks


Tubus Tara lowrider rack - $75

Arkel Randonneur rack (includes wide rails adapter, for use with Brooks and 
similar saddles) - $60

Unknown vintage stem rack/standoff for handlebar bag - $20

Pletscher sprung clamp rack silver  - $10

Rhode Gear expedition style rear rack black - $15

Blackburn Mtn. Front Rack black - $30



Shifters


Rivendell Silver 1 bar end shifters with Shimano pods - $75

Microshift bar end 10 speed shifter (index or friction), brand new - $50

Suntour Accushift right thumb shifter, 7/8 speed index or friction - $15

Shimano 600 downtube clamp-on shifters - $30

Shimano 600 downtube braze-on shifters - $30

Suntour 3000 Alpha Accushift downtube braze-on shifters - $15

Shimano Deore 7 speed indexed thumb shifters - $15

Shimano SIS thumb shifters - $5



Brakes/Brake Levers


Shimano 600 side pull brakes (2 sets) - $30 per set

Shimano BR-M730 cantilever brake with XT brake pads (one wheel’s worth) - 
$30

Suntour Cyclone side pull brakes - $15


Shimano Tiagra levers (the kind that Riv sells) - $35

Dia Compe AGC Gran Compe levers - $20

Unmarked long-pull (V-brake) levers - $5

Tektro RX 2.0 cross “interrupter” levers - $15

Suntour XC LTD levers - $20

Shimano 600 non-aero levers with excellent Dia Compe gum hoods  - $30



Cassettes & Freewheels


Shimano HG 13-36 8spd. cassette - $30

SRAM 12-26 10spd. cassette - $25

Shimano 11-28 7spd. cassette - $20

SRAM 12-26 8spd. cassette - $25

Shimano CS-HG70 12-25 9 spd. cassette (missing one spacer) - $20


Suntour AP 13-30 7spd. freewheel - $20

Shimano Z012 14-34 6spd. freewheel - $15

Shimano Z012 13-30 5spd. freewheel - $15

Shimano XD 14-28 6spd. - freewheel $15

Shimano Z012 14-26 5spd. freewheel - $15



Derailleurs (front & rear)


Rear derailleurs-

Suntour XC-Expert Accushift Plus - $20

Shimano 600 short cage (two available) - $30 each

Shimano Deore FD-M510 long cage - $25

Shimano Deore DX RD-M650 long cage - $30


Front derailleurs-

Shimano XT FD-M739 bottom pull 31.8 clamp - $25

Shimano Deore FD-M510 9 speed bottom pull 34.9 clamp - $20

Shimano 105 FD-5600 bottom pull 318 clamp - $25

Shimano 600 bottom pull 28.6 clamp - $20


Tensioners-

DMR Bikes single speeder - $10


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[RBW] FS: "Estate Sale" of components and gear, part I

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Greetings all,

I’m putting just about my entire collection of bikes and parts up for sale, 
an "estate sale" if you will, because my family and I are planning on 
moving to Hawaii next spring. I was born there and have a lot of family 
there, but relocated to the mainland when I was 7, and have always had a 
deep yearning to go back. My wife has been helping me chase that dream for 
many years now, and it looks like we’ll finally be able to make it a 
reality in 2023. 

The prices listed do not include shipping, but I’ll be using Pirateship.com 
 and Bikeflights to ship, and I’ve got boxes of all 
shapes and sizes and a postage scale, so I can find the best rates to ship 
your stuff. *PayPal, money order, or cash accepted for payment*. If you’d 
like more pics or info, please reach out; I’m usually pretty quick about 
getting back to you. Local pickup in Raleigh, NC for those of you nearby. 
I’ll be listing the second half of my purge in the next couple days 
(pedals, tires, handlebars, clothes, etc.), so keep an eye out. Thanks for 
looking and have a great week!

~Mark


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*Bags*

Rivendell TrunkSack Small dark grey grid - $70

Rivendell Sackville SaddleSack Small olive (one zipper doesn’t quite work, 
but the other one works fine) - $45

Rivendell TrunkSack Small olive - $60

Acorn Bags Medium Rando bag dark grey - $130

Ortlieb Back Roller classic pair orange - $70

Ortlieb Front Roller pair white, brand new - $100

Timbuk2 convertible backpack bag red - $65

Jandd Touring Handlebar Pack II - $30

Banjo Brothers pannier black - $15

Trek Interchange pannier black - $15

Sunlite pannier black - $10



*Racks*

Tubus Tara lowrider rack - $75

Unknown vintage stem rack/standoff for handlebar bag - $20

Pletscher sprung clamp rack silver  - $15

Rhode Gear expedition style rear rack black - $20

Blackburn Mtn. Front Rack black - $30



*Shifters*

Rivendell Silver 1 bar end shifters with Shimano pods - $75

Microshift bar end 10 speed shifter (index or friction), brand new - $50

Suntour Accushift right thumb shifter, 7/8 speed index or friction - $15

Shimano 600 downtube clamp-on shifters - $30

Shimano 600 downtube braze-on shifters - $30

Suntour 3000 Alpha Accushift downtube braze-on shifters - $15

Shimano Deore 7 speed indexed thumb shifters - $15

Shimano SIS thumb shifters - $5



*Brakes/Brake Levers*

Shimano 600 side pull brakes (2 sets) - $30 per set

Shimano BR-M730 cantilever brake with XT brake pads (one wheel’s worth) - 
$35

Suntour Cyclone side pull brakes - $15


Shimano Tiagra levers (the kind that Riv sells) - $35

Dia Compe AGC Gran Compe levers - $20

Unmarked long-pull (V-brake) levers - $5

Tektro RX 2.0 cross “interrupter” levers - $15

Suntour XC LTD levers - $20

Shimano 600 non-aero levers with excellent Dia Compe gum hoods (not 
pictured) - $30



*Cassettes & Freewheels*

Shimano HG 13-36 8spd. - $30

SRAM 12-26 10spd. - $25

Shimano 11-28 7spd. - $20

SRAM 12-26 8spd. - $25

Shimano CS-HG70 12-25 9 spd. (missing one spacer) - $20


Suntour Perfect 14-32 6spd. - $25

Suntour AP 13-30 7spd. - $20

Shimano Z012 14-34 6spd. - $15

Shimano Z012 13-30 5spd. - $15

Shimano XD 14-28 6spd. - $15

Shimano Z012 14-26 5spd. - $15



*Derailleurs (front & rear)*

Rear derailleurs-

Suntour XC-Expert Accushift Plus - $20

Shimano 600 short cage (two available) - $30 each

Shimano Deore FD-M510 long cage - $25

Shimano Deore DX RD-M650 long cage - $30


Front derailleurs-

Shimano XT FD-M739 bottom pull 31.8 clamp - $25

Shimano Deore FD-M510 9 speed bottom pull 34.9 clamp - $20

Shimano 105 FD-5600 bottom pull 318 clamp - $25

Shimano 600 bottom pull 28.6 clamp - $20


Tensioners-

DMR Bikes single speeder - $10



*Saddles*

Avocet Touring black - $25

Specialized saddle black - $15



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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

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Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it costs me 
> nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  
> 
> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether #5995 
> corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...
> 
> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are available to 
> pre-order right now...  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. They 
>> cannot keep up with demand. 
>> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They even 
>> had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to successfully 
>> purchase a watch. 
>> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a few 
>> minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old days of 
>> calling into a radio station for tickets. 
>> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale never 
>> went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone what 
>> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t get 
>> the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were not 
>> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better way.
>> 
>> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name to 
>> the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when its 
>> your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 48-hr 
>> window to make the purchase.
>> 
>> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support them.
>> 
>> 
 On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
 
>>> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>>> 
 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
 six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out
 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down to 
> 2-3 left though. 
> 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm going 
>> to leave it for you to buy though
>> 
>> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>>> 
>>> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
>>> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>>> 
>>> I want no part of this.
>>> 
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page 
 you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this 
 thread has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
 
 Joe Bernard 
 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. 
>> I was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet 
>> until this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
>> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another 
>> shipment. No financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked 
>> for money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe 
>> A. I’ve bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop 
>> to buy and visit many times. 
>> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

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Also, using the term "lottery" for the sale of the Rosco-Platy is inaccurate. 
Riv has in the past done a lottery drawing for highly-anticipated frames (I 
think they did this on the last Clem-L run), where they knew that they had way 
more demand than they could supply. They tried what they thought would be the 
fairest, most egalitarian method of selling that frame, which was a lottery 
method. You put your name in the hat, and if your name was drawn you had a week 
(I think) to pay for your frame. If you didn't, they contacted the next 
name drawn. Seems like a pretty fair way to ensure everyone had an equal 
opportunity to score one. 

And kudos to Joe for coining a new word- gonna have to try and work that in to 
my conversation sometime this week. Cheers!

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Jul 14, 2022, at 14:12, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> A word about "pre-sale lottery", it's the same as if they quietly put the 
> frames on the site and took orders until they sold out. This way everybody 
> knows when to order instead of just checking a website and hoping they're 
> there. I don't understand the verklemptitude here. 
> 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:43:42 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sheesh James, did you not read any replies here about the sale not happening 
>> until 1 hour and 20 minutes from now ?  Or, is that story of "whoa is me" so 
>> entertaining that you're gonna miss it for real this time ! 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

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Hey Daniel,

I have a set of Paul Racers with TRP RRL levers on my Soma San Marcos
(Riv-made and very similar to an AHH), and a set of the Tektro 559s with
Shimano 600 non-aero levers on my Schwinn World Voyageur set up as a double
single-speed bike.

I've taken the Schwinn on roads where I've gotten right around 30 mph (~72
gear inches), as well as some singletrack (~49 gear inches), and the
Tektros slow and stop just fine for me. I am running 700c wheels on the
Schwinn and the brake pads are just about halfway down in the slots, so I
do have a bit more mechanical advantage than someone running 650b wheels
with the pads at the very bottom of the slots.

Having said that, the Paul Racers are much better in my opinion. Even
though the Racers are almost maxed out at the bottom of the slots on the
San Marcos (650b wheels), they have much more power than the Tektros
at mid-slot. The Racers also have a solidity to them when engaging, and for
me they're very confidence-inspiring. I'm extremely happy with my Racers
and would highly recommend them (if you can find them). All the best,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 4:55 PM Daniel MacPherson 
wrote:

>
> Are the Paul Racer brakes better? I’m tempted to buy the latest Crust road
> bike in the near future but I don’t want to run 559s or Mafacs.
>
> I know they’ve been discontinued but I’m sure over the next 6 months, a
> couple will pop-up on Ebay or the ibob community.
>
> Daniel M
> Tallahassee Fl
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 3:23 PM Josiah Anderson 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Eric and others who find the 559s lacking in stopping power.
>> They're more or less good enough in dry conditions, but if it's wet, not so
>> much, and they're even worse in the snow. One of my scariest bike
>> experiences ever was on a 650b conversion of an old Trek with 559s (with
>> salmon pads), coming down a long hill with a busy intersection at the
>> bottom. It was raining, and having recently switched to the Tektros from
>> Mafac Racers, I was expecting my brakes to work, but they didn't. I went
>> through the intersection at probably 35mph, and I managed to make the turn
>> and somehow there were no cars, but it still freaked me out. The 559s don't
>> seem to be able to squeeze hard enough to create enough friction to dry off
>> wet rims in a revolution or two like most other (good) rim brakes do, so
>> they just keep skating on top of the layer of water. Same deal for ice,
>> although there are fewer brakes that do well with that.
>>
>> I've noticed that it seems like many of the people who like the 559s ride
>> in relatively dry places and many of us who regularly deal with wet and
>> freezing conditions find them inadequate. That's just my hypothesis on the
>> wide variety of opinions on these brakes; I know not everyone fits this
>> pattern.
>>
>> (Apologies if this post comes through late- I post frequently on IBOB but
>> not as much here so might not have Cyclofiend Jim's approval to post).
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula, MT
>>
>> Le lun. 11 juil. 2022 à 15:52, Cyclofiend Jim  a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> I must ride a lot slower than all's y'all's... but I've honestly never
>>> had any trouble with my brakes on my AHH. I use the original standard
>>> Shimano Lever  that shipped with it in aught-seven (probably discontinued)
>>> on a set of Noodle bars. They don't bottom out at full pressure and the
>>> wheel will skid.
>>>
>>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc522-cyclofiend_jim0908.html
>>>
>>> - Jim
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 3:41:01 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Laing: Forgive me if you've posted some before, but if not, I'd be
 delighted to see photos of your Riv custom "racing bike." 53.4 X 62?? What
 sort of bar? Me, I fit almost the diametrical opposite: 60 X 56 c-c for a
 drop-bar bike.

 To all: I've found this discussion interesting, both regarding braking
 effectiveness and road bike aesthetics. I have to say that I myself would
 prefer cantis or V brakes, or braze-on centerpulls instead of what appear
 to me clunky very-long reach calipers on a "gofast" road bike if medium
 reach calipers didn't work; and in fact, I've seen a number of custom or
 high-end production road bikes from before WWII built for cantilever
 brakes. I think a great many of these were on the Classics Rendezvous and
 Classic Lightweights UK websites.

 IME, I tend to agree with those who say that almost all brakes work
 decently, if not brilliantly, if properly set up, and if the levers are
 appropriate to the brakes proper. I know that my otherwise wonderful
 second-gen (? The tab-operated cam) Dura Ace single pivots worked badly,
 even with salmons, pulled by 7410-era levers, while the single pivot (high
 end DC? Superbe Pro?) 57 mm reach single pivot on the gofast pulled by the
 same levers works very well indeed, for power and for modulation.

 On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 10:34 

Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel building, 36 into 32: in case it's of interest to non-i-Bob-list-members.

[esoterica etc]

Oooh, those eyeball rims would look wicked on Leah's raspberry Platypus!

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Jun 21, 2022, at 12:48, Kevin Reinking  wrote:
> 
> I'm guessing you were joking, but those painted rims would probably be a 
> poor choice for a rim brake bike; intended for disc. really
> 
> I've often wondered about the possibility of a 32 hole rim with 36 hole hub; 
> figured it could be done, but I've always been able to adapt or come up with 
> an alternative to that. I am guessing that it probably depends a lot on the 
> type or rim used, likely one with minimal offset at the spoke holes. 
> 
>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 2:59:40 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>> Love this - Thank you. I have a lot of hubs sitting around, all 36 hole and 
>> Retrogression has some beautiful NOS Australian Velocity Deep-V rims (like 
>> those on my Trek District) 700C, 32 hole only and I didn't want to buy new 
>> hubs in order to use them. I want to put the Yellow rims on my Flanker Green 
>> Rosco Bubbe V1. I don't know what to put the eyeballs on, but I have to have 
>> them.
>> 
>> 
>> Laing
>> 
>>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:24:49 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> Someone posted this in a discussion of lightish, rim-brake 559 rims. It 
>>> might allow someone to buy 32 rims for 36 hubs, or doubtless v-v, and thus 
>>> makes this sparsely populated rim field a bit more populous.
>>> 
>>> https://www.instructables.com/Lacing-Bike-Wheel-36-Holes-Hub-to-32-Holes-Rim/
>>> 
>>> If anyone has any matched pairs of ~ road-weight, ~road-width, rim-brake 
>>> 559 rims for sale, please let me know. My 2 faves right now are:
>>> 
>>> 1. Sun Ringle EQ 21, 360 gram, 21 mm OW, and:
>>> 2. Sun M14A "semi-aero", 19 mm OW (apparently consistency varies, but my 
>>> digital scale says 360 grams to 390 grams).
>>> 
>>> But happy to look at anything 24 mm OW or narrower, and 450 grams or 
>>> lighter.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Searching for bike akin to Quickbeam

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There's a 60cm SimpleOne frame on eBay right now located in Durham, NC. For 
some reason the seller is not interested in shipping so it's local pickup only. 
I'm in Raleigh and could help facilitate a pickup if you're interested in it. 
Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

> On Jun 12, 2022, at 09:46, James  wrote:
> 
> I have wanted a quick beam for a while now but the cost of a 3rd rivendell 
> is holding me back, so I'm looking for a similar frame.  Anyone have any 
> suggestions on a steel, lugged, horizontal dropout (front or rear facing), 
> fairly large wheel diameter bike?  One I could get for $500 max??  I have my 
> eyes on a Schinn LeTour III and the only thing causing me pause is tire 
> clearance (35mm) .  Thanks for any suggestions.  (I have a 92cm PBH for 
> anyone between NC and RI)
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Re: [RBW] FS: Choco handlebar cockpit- Nitto, SunRace, MicroShift, etc.

[esoterica etc]

Cockpit sold, thanks for the interest!

~Mark


> On Jun 1, 2022, at 12:23, esoterica etc  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry all,
> 
> Forgot to include a price drop with the bump: now asking $215 shipped, or 
> local Raleigh area pickup for $195. Thanks,
> 
> ~Mark
> 
> 
>>> On May 30, 2022, at 13:01, esoterica etc  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hope everyone's having a great Memorial Day weekend. Just wanted to give 
>> this cockpit one more bump to see if anyone here is interested before I send 
>> it to the 'Bay. Cheers,
>> 
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>> 
>> 
>>>> On May 5, 2022, at 09:11, esoterica etc  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Happy Cinco de Mayo, bump for this cockpit. It's a great setup, I just 
>>> don't have a frame I can use it with. Cheers,
>>> 
>>> ~Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 24, 2022, at 10:27, esoterica etc  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> Happy weekend all!
>>>> 
>>>> I've got a cockpit for sale taken off my Atlantis which I bought several 
>>>> years ago as a demo directly from Riv HQ, and I figured that since the new 
>>>> batch of Atlantises just went on sale, someone might be interested in this 
>>>> cockpit. Pics are here: 
>>>> 
>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NCHBsk20wJWy-L-CScb-N8evKAC3W4Xq?usp=sharing
>>>> 
>>>> Included with the cockpit are the following:
>>>> 
>>>> Choco heat-treated bars (retail $115)
>>>> Nitto Tallux stem with 120mm reach (retail $84)
>>>> SunRace V-brake levers (retail ~$25)
>>>> MicroShift 9-speed thumb shifters (retail $60)
>>>> Newbaums + felt bar wrap wrapped by Grant himself ($priceless)
>>>> 
>>>> Asking $230 shipped anywhere in the US, or local pick up in the 
>>>> Raleigh/Triangle area. Payment through PayPal friends & family please,  
>>>> Thanks for looking and have a great day!
>>>> 
>>>> ~Mark
>>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Choco handlebar cockpit- Nitto, SunRace, MicroShift, etc.

[esoterica etc]

Sorry all,

Forgot to include a price drop with the bump: now asking $215 shipped, or local 
Raleigh area pickup for $195. Thanks,

~Mark


> On May 30, 2022, at 13:01, esoterica etc  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hope everyone's having a great Memorial Day weekend. Just wanted to give this 
> cockpit one more bump to see if anyone here is interested before I send it to 
> the 'Bay. Cheers,
> 
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
> 
> 
>>> On May 5, 2022, at 09:11, esoterica etc  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Happy Cinco de Mayo, bump for this cockpit. It's a great setup, I just don't 
>> have a frame I can use it with. Cheers,
>> 
>> ~Mark
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2022, at 10:27, esoterica etc  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Happy weekend all!
>>> 
>>> I've got a cockpit for sale taken off my Atlantis which I bought several 
>>> years ago as a demo directly from Riv HQ, and I figured that since the new 
>>> batch of Atlantises just went on sale, someone might be interested in this 
>>> cockpit. Pics are here: 
>>> 
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NCHBsk20wJWy-L-CScb-N8evKAC3W4Xq?usp=sharing
>>> 
>>> Included with the cockpit are the following:
>>> 
>>> Choco heat-treated bars (retail $115)
>>> Nitto Tallux stem with 120mm reach (retail $84)
>>> SunRace V-brake levers (retail ~$25)
>>> MicroShift 9-speed thumb shifters (retail $60)
>>> Newbaums + felt bar wrap wrapped by Grant himself ($priceless)
>>> 
>>> Asking $230 shipped anywhere in the US, or local pick up in the 
>>> Raleigh/Triangle area. Payment through PayPal friends & family please,  
>>> Thanks for looking and have a great day!
>>> 
>>> ~Mark
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Choco handlebar cockpit- Nitto, SunRace, MicroShift, etc.

[esoterica etc]

Hope everyone's having a great Memorial Day weekend. Just wanted to give this 
cockpit one more bump to see if anyone here is interested before I send it to 
the 'Bay. Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On May 5, 2022, at 09:11, esoterica etc  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Happy Cinco de Mayo, bump for this cockpit. It's a great setup, I just don't 
> have a frame I can use it with. Cheers,
> 
> ~Mark
> 
> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2022, at 10:27, esoterica etc  wrote:
>>> 
>> Happy weekend all!
>> 
>> I've got a cockpit for sale taken off my Atlantis which I bought several 
>> years ago as a demo directly from Riv HQ, and I figured that since the new 
>> batch of Atlantises just went on sale, someone might be interested in this 
>> cockpit. Pics are here: 
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NCHBsk20wJWy-L-CScb-N8evKAC3W4Xq?usp=sharing
>> 
>> Included with the cockpit are the following:
>> 
>> Choco heat-treated bars (retail $115)
>> Nitto Tallux stem with 120mm reach (retail $84)
>> SunRace V-brake levers (retail ~$25)
>> MicroShift 9-speed thumb shifters (retail $60)
>> Newbaums + felt bar wrap wrapped by Grant himself ($priceless)
>> 
>> Asking $230 shipped anywhere in the US, or local pick up in the 
>> Raleigh/Triangle area. Payment through PayPal friends & family please,  
>> Thanks for looking and have a great day!
>> 
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

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I work pretty close to the fella selling the Roadini, so if anyone's interested 
I could check it out and/or help with the transaction. Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

> On May 6, 2022, at 01:13, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
> 
> Roadini
> 57cm
> 2500
> Raleigh, NC
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/bik/d/cary-rivendell-roadini-57cm-gravel-bike/7480031402.html
> 
> 
> Custom
> 57cm
> 3850
> Burlingame, CA
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/burlingame-rivendell-road-bike-campy/7478190800.html
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Re: [RBW] FS: Choco handlebar cockpit- Nitto, SunRace, MicroShift, etc.

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Max, I hear you. If this were just a normal cockpit, I'd part it out without 
offering it as a whole. But since the bars were Grant-wrapped, I felt it'd be a 
shame to undo it, and thought someone on the list would be interested in the 
complete cockpit along with the good Grant juju. If I don't get any bites in 
the next few weeks I'll probably end up parting it out. Cheers,

~Mark


> On May 5, 2022, at 12:06, Max S  wrote:
> I'm very interested in the bars, but to a much lesser extent in everything 
> else... Anyone want the other stuff? :-) 
> 
> - Max "just the bars" in A2 
> 
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:11:45 AM UTC-4 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Happy Cinco de Mayo, bump for this cockpit. It's a great setup, I just don't 
>> have a frame I can use it with. Cheers,
>> 
>> ~Mark
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2022, at 10:27, esoterica etc  wrote:
>>> Happy weekend all!
>> 
>>> 
>>> I've got a cockpit for sale taken off my Atlantis which I bought several 
>>> years ago as a demo directly from Riv HQ, and I figured that since the new 
>>> batch of Atlantises just went on sale, someone might be interested in this 
>>> cockpit. Pics are here: 
>>> 
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NCHBsk20wJWy-L-CScb-N8evKAC3W4Xq?usp=sharing
>>> 
>>> Included with the cockpit are the following:
>>> 
>>> Choco heat-treated bars (retail $115)
>>> Nitto Tallux stem with 120mm reach (retail $84)
>>> SunRace V-brake levers (retail ~$25)
>>> MicroShift 9-speed thumb shifters (retail $60)
>>> Newbaums + felt bar wrap wrapped by Grant himself ($priceless)
>>> 
>>> Asking $230 shipped anywhere in the US, or local pick up in the 
>>> Raleigh/Triangle area. Payment through PayPal friends & family please,  
>>> Thanks for looking and have a great day!
>>> 
>>> ~Mark
>>> Raleigh, NC
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Re: [RBW] FS: Choco handlebar cockpit- Nitto, SunRace, MicroShift, etc.

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Happy Cinco de Mayo, bump for this cockpit. It's a great setup, I just don't 
have a frame I can use it with. Cheers,

~Mark


> On Apr 24, 2022, at 10:27, esoterica etc  wrote:
> 
> Happy weekend all!
> 
> I've got a cockpit for sale taken off my Atlantis which I bought several 
> years ago as a demo directly from Riv HQ, and I figured that since the new 
> batch of Atlantises just went on sale, someone might be interested in this 
> cockpit. Pics are here: 
> 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NCHBsk20wJWy-L-CScb-N8evKAC3W4Xq?usp=sharing
> 
> Included with the cockpit are the following:
> 
> Choco heat-treated bars (retail $115)
> Nitto Tallux stem with 120mm reach (retail $84)
> SunRace V-brake levers (retail ~$25)
> MicroShift 9-speed thumb shifters (retail $60)
> Newbaums + felt bar wrap wrapped by Grant himself ($priceless)
> 
> Asking $230 shipped anywhere in the US, or local pick up in the 
> Raleigh/Triangle area. Payment through PayPal friends & family please,  
> Thanks for looking and have a great day!
> 
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
> 
> 
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[RBW] FS: Choco handlebar cockpit- Nitto, SunRace, MicroShift, etc.

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Happy weekend all!

I've got a cockpit for sale taken off my Atlantis which I bought several 
years ago as a demo directly from Riv HQ, and I figured that since the new 
batch of Atlantises just went on sale, someone might be interested in this 
cockpit. Pics are here: 

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NCHBsk20wJWy-L-CScb-N8evKAC3W4Xq?usp=sharing

Included with the cockpit are the following:

Choco heat-treated bars (retail $115)
Nitto Tallux stem with 120mm reach (retail $84)
SunRace V-brake levers (retail ~$25)
MicroShift 9-speed thumb shifters (retail $60)
Newbaums + felt bar wrap wrapped by Grant himself ($priceless)

Asking $230 shipped anywhere in the US, or local pick up in the 
Raleigh/Triangle area. Payment through PayPal friends & family please,  
Thanks for looking and have a great day!

~Mark
Raleigh, NC



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Re: [RBW] Continental Gatorskin 26": any onlist users? Reports?

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Patrick,

I don't have any 26" Gatorskins, but FWIW, I do have some 700c x 32's on my 
fixed road bike. I wanted something that was very highly rated for 
puncture-resistance, and I found this pair used locally for a great price. 

Since the Gatorskins are advertised as "one of the most puncture proof tires 
around", I was expecting a harsh, dead ride (i.e., Schwalbe Marathon Plus), but 
was very pleasantly surprised with the ride quality. And for the record, I have 
some RH Babyshoe Pass Extralights (650b x 42) on my geared rando bike, so I do 
know what tire Nirvana feels like. 

I usually only take the fixed road bike out for rides <10 miles, so no 
longer-distance experience with the Gatorskins, but I really feel that there's 
an impressive amount of suppleness given the level of puncture protection built 
into the tire. 

~Mark
Raleigh, NC



> On Apr 20, 2022, at 14:49, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/continental-gatorskin-26-inch-road-tire
> 
> After binging on extralight Rene Herse tires, the description sounds 
> horrible: puncture belt, 320 grams (RH 26 X 28 mm Elk Pass = 175 grams), 
> Kevlar plus "Duraskin" wall-to-wall protection, wire beads, priced at $23.00 
> per dozen. (Well, not quite.)
> 
> But the reviews are good, tho' one wonders if the reviewers have experienced 
> the orgiastic loveliness of RH EL tires.
> 
> Long shot, given the 28 mm width, but has anyone ridden these enough to 
> declaim on their rolling qualities? **Perceived** rolling qualities welcome, 
> measured even better.
> 
> Are they, like, faster-feeling and more cushiony than the 26 X 1.25 Pasela or 
> the 26 X 1.35 Kojak?
> 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Rivish Parts from garage clear-out

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James, the Google photo link doesn't seem to be working. 

> On Mar 28, 2022, at 05:25, James Heller-Jackson  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Doing some garage cleanout so I can follow my other passion for a while and 
> build out a woodshop.  I am local to Los Angeles, but happy to ship.  If 
> shipping is needed, to keep it simple all items are an additional $8 for 
> shipping in cont. US unless otherwise noted.  Prices are listed, but let me 
> know if you have a different price in mind, I will in no way be offended.  
> All items will be shipped within two days of receiving payment, paypal or 
> venmo preferred:
> 
> PHOTOS
> 
> 1. Brooks Professional Honey Saddle - Very good condition - I bought this on 
> Ebay as seller listed the saddle did not work for them - I received it with 
> the small watermarks you see on the top of the saddle.  I used it for 
> approximately 2 miles as I was trying different leather and cambium saddles - 
> $135 OBO + shipping
> 
> 2. Shimano SL-BS77 9 Speed bar end shifters - I bought these to set up with 
> an XTR derailleur but found it hard for myself to move away from friction 
> shifting as a commuter.  Some scuffs as pictured, fully functional - $65 OBO 
> + shipping
> 
> 3. Shimano Deerhead derailleur set - Both fully functional, I was planning a 
> classic build but ended up going a different direction.  Signs of wear, 28.6 
> clamp on FD - $75 + shipping
> 
> 4. Campagnolo Daytona 10sp shifter set - These are famed for being able to 
> use as is with an 8 speed drivetrain and a 9 speed drivetrain with "Hubbub" 
> routing - it all has to do with cable pull and cassette pitch as seen here.  
> I was drawn to it for the more classic look it offers over shimano brifters. 
> These were puchased locally as NOS, and I just added new Campy clamps as 
> pictured.  Alas, I have friction bar ends now on my one and only bike - $140 
> + shipping
> 
> 5. NEW Gravelking Slick tanwall 700c x 28mm - Brand new, in the process of 
> selling the Bridgestone they were intended for - $65 + $10 shipping
> 
> 6. Gravelking SK+ Black, 700c x 38mm - These were intended for use on my 
> commuter but the knobs gave me a little too close of clearance for comfort.  
> 20 miles on these, maximum - $60 + $10 shipping
> 
> 7. Ritchey Logic Triple Crank, VGC - Some scrapes from use, but in very good 
> condition.  Logos almost completely untouched (which is rare from what I've 
> seen).  Some wear on middle ring - current rings are 46, 36 with 26 granny - 
> $150 + $12 shipping
> 
> Please let me know if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer.  Happy 
> riding! 
> 
> James
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Re: [RBW] Front Range Riv Riders? Atlantis curious in Boulder

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Christian,

If your main takeaway from your visit to Riv HQ was that James' Atlantis was 
the best bike you've ever ridden, I'd try to duplicate his bike as best you 
can. 
His is a 53cm size with 650b wheels, and you did mention that it's a size small 
for you, so I'd be on the lookout for a 56cm 650b Atlantis. 
Bill Lindsay has just recently offered up his 56cm 650b frame for sale here:
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/8fEX_xvEv3g/m/V5yj1LlfBAAJ?utm_medium=email_source=footer

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Mar 21, 2022, at 22:27, Christian B-H  wrote:
> Thanks RM Rose, Johnny and Ben!
> 
> Johnny- you hit the nail on the head. I could just barely make the 59 work, 
> and especially after reading Clark Fitzgeralds wonderful first impressions, 
> one year review, and brief but joyous Atlantis break-up email to move onto 
> the Platypus (Posted in this group "Atlantis one year review - the consummate 
> All-Rounder"- Thanks, Clark!)He's 6´1" and found the 59 slightly large. 
> I'm 6' with an 89PBH so, I think I'm leaning towards the 55.
> 
> Ben- thanks for the Omaha invite! It's a slightly cheaper, similar flight to 
> Oakland, then BART to Walnut Creek, so unless I'm in Omaha I don't think 
> we'll have the pleasure! 
> 
> I also got a nice response from Andrew in the Denver area, and am hoping to 
> meet up to ride  and try some Colorado Riv Cyclists soon!
> 
> Best, Christian
> 
> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 10:39:33 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Good morning!
>> I don't know how you'd define "a few hours," but I'm in Omaha, NE and have a 
>> 59cm. If for some strange reason you found yourself in town, you'd be more 
>> than welcome to give it a spin. I'm confident, though, that you'll encounter 
>> one a little closer to home.
>> 
>> Ben in Omaha. 
>> 
>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 11:10:31 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>> Rivendell likes to put people in the MAX size possible. With the expanded 
>>> geometry I am almost always at the top of one size and the very bottom of 
>>> another.  Rivendell has suggested the larger sizes but time has shown me 
>>> that I prefer to be at the top of a size vs the bottom contrary to what 
>>> they would push for me.  It looks like you might be exactly the same with 
>>> the Atlantis frame. A PBH of 89.5 is the minimum size that that they would 
>>> recommend for the 59 which would put you at the very bottom for that size 
>>> and at the top for the 55.  That makes it tricky and a lot will come down 
>>> to personal preference. I hope you can find a good source for a try out!! 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:48:13 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am still new here but I suspect you will get a lot of folks suggesting 
 you depend on & trust the advice on fit that is available just from 
 talking to the folks at Riv. They will not steer you wrong. Of course 
 there is nothing wrong with riding first if the opportunity presents 
 itself.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 21, 2022, at 1:32 AM, Christian B-H a wrote:
> Hi All-
 
> A Riv admirer from afar since 2019 thanks to my Rivspirational Uncle Andy 
> in SF. Grant's Bluhgs and Riv-stuff kept me mostly sane from 2019 till 
> now and influenced my decision to get a steel "gravel" bike with bigger 
> tires over carbon.  I had a chance in July 2021 to  go to Walnut Creek, 
> and my wife and friends who joined will attest I was like a kid in a 
> candy shop. I remember glancing over at Grant who was practicing laps on 
> the long-stemmed, mini cycle with James, and then looking back at 
> Antonio, who had Grant's Appaloosa in hand and saying, "Really? I can 
> ride HIS bike?" (photo below- Me with Friend in Hat clarifying with 
> Antonio. My wife in the background experiencing the Riv magic). 
> 
> 
> 
> That day however I left with one thought in mind: Jame's Atlantis was the 
> smoothest, best feeling bike I've ever ridden. Even if it was a size or 
> so too small. 
> 
> So, looking to determine what size Atlantis I'd be ahead of this next 
> order, my question for this group is: Is there anyone within a a few 
> hours of Boulder, CO with a 55-60cm Atlantis who'd be willing to let me 
> test ride? 
> 
> I think I've seen at least one Atlantis in the wild here, and I know I've 
> seen a few other Riv's around here...I'd love the opportunity to ride an 
> Atlantis again before buying to help figure out sizing (I know PBH (89), 
> calling to discuss, email etc. I've done it. I just want to see if I 
> should go 55 or 59  based on feel, and experience the ride one more time 
> to see which bike I may have to get rid of to help the purchase 
> along). 
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Christian Beitel-Horton in Boulder, CO
 
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Re: [RBW] FS: microSHIFT rear derailleurs

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I concur. I've got the R10 front and rear derailleurs on my Soma San Marcos 
with a 10-speed 11-32 cassette and a VO 46/30 crankset, and shifting is 
smoth and trouble-free. The R10 rear even works better than the XT 780 rear 
derailleur that it replaced. Very happy with my microSHIFT experience so far. 

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Feb 17, 2022, at 10:54, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> 
> 
> PSA on the R10:
> 
> In case anyone ever wondered, I have an R10 also and even though it's rated 
> for 28T max it shifts an 11-32 no problem.  At least on my Riv which is 44-28 
> in the front.
> 
> -Jim
> Leander, TX
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 7:32 AM lconley  wrote:
>> Used RD M55, will shift a 34 tooth no problem, came on my Rivendell Mystery 
>> Bike. Very good to excellent condition. Unique looking - silver and black. 
>> $35 Shipped CONUS OBO.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> New, in box R10, RD-R47 road derailleur, see info on box - long cage road 
>> derailleur for use with wide double or triple front derailleur. Never used. 
>> All silver. $30 shipped CONUS or OBO.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

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I've got a pair of center-mount Paul Racers with Kool Stop salmon thinline pads 
actuated by some TRP RRL levers on my rando bike. And although they certainly 
aren't as powerful as V-brakes, I do feel that the stopping power is pretty 
comparable to the canti brake setups that I have on other bikes. The Racers do 
have great modulation, and are much more powerful than the Tektro 559s I've 
used (with the same TRP RRL levers). It's really a shame that Paul discontinued 
the Racers, because I'm very impressed with them. Good luck with your brake 
situation, hope you can find a good solution. Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Dec 20, 2021, at 13:00, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull 
> Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets confusing 
> because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach" caliper brakes, 
> until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who used to make 
> versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I usually refer to 
> 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as "long reach" now, 
> but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry. 
> 
> As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, with the 
> longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer M) being the 
> usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the longer-reach 
> Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used or NOS ones. I 
> think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm skeptical if they 
> would be an upgrade over Tektros. 
> 
> Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is pretty 
> much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything longer than 
> that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and would be better 
> off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach centerpulls like the Rene 
> Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones.  
> 
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[esoterica etc]

I would also include the San Marcos in the timeline! Made by Soma but
designed by Rivendell, it was in production from 2011 to about 2015.
Similar to the way the Bleriot was the "cheaper" MIT version of the Saluki,
I believe the San Marcos was the budget alternative to the A. Homer Hilsen.
I have a San Marcos and have ridden an AHH, and their ride qualities and
geometry are extremely similar.

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 4:13 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and all
> this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, Keith,
> and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of this thing.
>
> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom,
> prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking
> color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, back
> to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders
> sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding
> the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.
>
> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice
> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the
> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D
>
> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line
>> between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early
>> Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to Grant's
>> ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a custom
>> is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase time.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Nice work, Jason!
>>>
>>> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the
>>> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting a
>>> name added to express it as one of two road frames.
>>>
>>> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've
>>> only ever seen two of them.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom
 Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration,
 with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how many
 were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I
 missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when the
 MIT batch rolled in?

 On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a
> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways to 
> go
> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited to
> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most part,
> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.
>
> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as
> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95
> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain (Expedition?
> Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the Road
> was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused by that all.
>
> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I
> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I welcome
> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this regard.  I
> think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline when models either
> underwent significant geometry changes or changed builders (AHH and
> Atlantis being obvious ones).  This might turn into a full wiki, not sure
> yet, depends how bored I get this winter I guess!  I have webhosting
> available, just need to sort some stuff out on that end.
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 10:58:35 UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Good effort.  I bet that was fun, digesting so much at once.  My
>> comment is that I don't think I'd discount the original Appaloosa or
>> "mystery bike," which is different from the current Appaloosa.  I know it
>> was 'sort of' a prototype, but they were produced for specific, paying
>> customers - exactly the way early Roads, All Rounders and Mountains were 
>> -
>> with no design input from the buyers and - unlike those others - they DID
>> have an actual model name and head badge.  I don't think I'd consider 
>> them
>> insignificant either, as they were the experience that led to the current
>> long chainstay, longer 

Re: [RBW] Re: New-to-me Sam! Advice/recommendations?

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Hey Ben,

I mounted a new pair of Gravelking slick 700c x 38's on my single speed bike 
about two months ago and am really liking them a lot. I ride mostly paved 
country roads with a bit of smooth dirt trails thrown in. They measure 37.5mm 
on 23mm rims (outer width). Hope that helps. Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC



> On Nov 6, 2021, at 18:18, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Gravelkings are more and more intriguing to me. One person on this thread 
> mentioned they are more like 35mm installed on older Super Champion rims 
> (which I'm guessing are much more narrow than the Atlas rims I have). 
> 
> Has anyone put the 38cm Gravelking Slicks and measured how wide they are 
> installed? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 4:41 PM Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>> Most people would probably disagree with me but after using Parimotos, 
>> Gravel King slicks and RH tires I don't think the RH are worth all of the 
>> extra money.  They are the nicest of those three but not by enough to make 
>> me spend the money for them. I don't regret spending the money and enjoy the 
>> set I am riding but I don't think I would spend it again. For 650B I don't 
>> think there is a better value than the Parimoto tires. People say they flat 
>> really easily and maybe that is the case in some riding conditions but I 
>> can't remember the last time I got a flat on one. I must have decent road 
>> conditions as I really don't get flats on any tires. For 700C I would go 
>> with the Gravel Kings. Just my opinion of course.
>> 
>>> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:18:19 PM UTC-4 Dan Sullivan wrote:
>>> Another thumbs up for the Gravel King 38 slicks.  Have a pair on my 
>>> canti-Rom and they are really fast and comfy smooth at 35-40 psi, 
>>> super-great tires.  I've not ridden any RH tires and they may be even 
>>> better but these are so nice I have no desire to spend the money to find 
>>> out.
>>> 
>>> Dan in MSN
>>> 
 On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 7:00:27 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 No worries at all! 
 
 If anyone can find the tutorial on grinding down the tab on the Shimano 
 bar end pod, I'm struggling to find it on Riv's website. I thought it was 
 on one of the pages for the shifters themselves, but not seeing them there 
 or on the Shimano Dura-Ace page. 
 
 Ben
 
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 6:05 PM Paul Richardson  
> wrote:
> whoa, no, i totally lied.  i'm sorry.  i pulled up my old invoice and it 
> looks like back in the day they sold a kit that included the shifters and 
> the pods, which is what i used.
> 
> 
> 
> sorry to mislead you; shoulda kept my mouth shut!  guess my memory isn't 
> as good as i thought!  and man where did i put those shimano pods...?!
> 
> paul
> takoma park, md.
> 
 
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Re: [RBW] Stolen 50cm Betty Foy

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Hooray, that's fantastic news! So glad to hear you were reunited with your Riv! 
Best news I've read all day. Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Oct 6, 2021, at 15:25, Amy DeVaudreuil  wrote:
> 
> Just wanted to report the good news that this bike was recovered thanks to 
> bike index, this group, and the help of a fellow Riv enthusiast up in North 
> County!
> 
>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:03:38 AM UTC-7 KC wrote:
>> Pease post a picture or description for any details. We're out and about in 
>> North County (and sometimes South) every day. 
>> 
>>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 5:22:44 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>> What color?  Picture?  List it on bikeindex.org.  Believe it or not, I did 
>>> recover a frame by doing that.
>>> 
>>> Bill 
>>> San Diego
>>> 
 On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 8:17:33 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:
 Sorry to hear that! Where did this happen in San Diego? I’ll keep an eye 
 out.
 
 Robert Tilley
 San Diego, CA
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Amy DeVaudreuil  
>> wrote:
>> 
> My beautiful Betty Foy bicycle was stolen from my garage last night. I 
> am filing a police report and monitoring local (San Diego) craigslist and 
> Offer Up, but in case anyone sees a 50cm Betty Foy for sale somewhere, 
> please let me know so I can track down if it's my bike.
 
> 
> Thank you!
> Amy DeVaudreuil
> amydeva...@gmail.com
 
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[RBW] PayPal now taxing goods & services transactions >$600

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Howdy all,

I just sold a frame to a fellow list member, and the transaction was made 
through PayPal goods & services option. I then received an email from PP 
with the heading "New IRS requirement – take action now". The body of the 
email is as follows:

[image: D3F78C43-96EF-4845-9A1A-A418640B1F50_1_201_a.jpeg]

So not only do they want me to provide a tax ID number, but it looks like 
they'll now be taxing any transaction over $600! Also, it's not clear 
whether this is for any single transaction over $600, or worse, if it's a 
cumulative annual total. 

In the past when I've sold something to folks on this list and several 
other lists, I usually give the buyer the choice of using friends & family 
(FF) or goods & services (GS), letting them know how much I'd like to net 
for each item (and letting them know how much extra they would have to add 
if they choose GS). Roughly about 2/3 of my selling transactions have been 
with FF, usually because this small forum of like-minded folks tends to 
foster trust, and most of the items I've sold are less than $200. But the 
other 1/3 choose GS, mainly under the guise of transaction security 
(especially for a higher priced item).

But now that we'll apparently be taxed on anything over $600, what other 
option(s) are there out there to provide buyer protection without the 
seller having to pay taxes or registering an ID number? 

~Mark
Raleigh, NC




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Re: [RBW] HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

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Eric,

Just another list member who's sending you heaps of thanks for taking this 
project on and sharing with the community. Thank you Thank You THANK YOU!!  
Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Sep 3, 2021, at 15:59, Olivier Chételat  wrote:
> 
> Much much impressive archiving work. Superthanks!
> -Oli in SF
> 
>> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>> Even got a shoutout on the newsletter this week.
>> Excellent work!.
>> 
>> --ben in KC
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 6:53 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>> I hope you all enjoy, these catalogs are really cool. Great wisdom and 
>>> writing, cool parts through the ages. Heartbreaking wool prices. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 5:36:06 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
 Oh, this is great. Thank you, Eric!
 
 
 
 
> On Sep 2, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell 
> catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 
> 
> Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
> http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the site. 
> Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 
> 
> He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/
> 
> Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have anything 
> that we haven't included please send me a DM. 
> 
> All 20 Rivendell catalogs
>  Catalogs from 1996-2018
> Frame brochures
> 1995 frames mailer
> Atlantis and Atlantis 2
> Rambouillet
> Romulus
> Rivendell Frame Brochure
> An early frame paint chart
> I'm missing the Cheviot brochure
> Flyers
> Nine flyers from 2002–2009
> I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 
> Ads
> An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
> A 2014 Cheviot ad
> 
> 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

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Thanks for the compliment JS! It's a 56cm with 650b wheels. Such a fantastic 
bike. Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Jul 21, 2021, at 09:34, J Schwartz  wrote:
> 
> I think that's one of the nicest set-up MIT Atlantis' I've seen.  Is that a 
> 56 or 53?
> JS
> 
>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 8:59:12 AM UTC-4 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Kushan,
>> 
>> Zefal makes plastic pump pegs that you can secure around any tube on your 
>> bike. I'm using one on my Atlantis to hold a Zefal pump and it works great 
>> (mine's an FPX , not an HPX, but they fit the pegs just the same). I've got 
>> an extra one if you'd like, let's say $10 shipped. PM me if you're 
>> interested. Cheers,
>> 
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Jul 21, 2021, at 07:45, Eric Marth  wrote:
 
>>> Rad bike, Kushan, and congrats! 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't have any experience hacking an HPX4 but maybe you could add some 
>>> felt washers to the piston between the handle and the main frame body to 
>>> effectively add to the overall length of the pump when compressed. 
>>> 
>>> https://www.mcmaster.com/felt-washers/
>>> 
 On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 1:43:24 AM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
 P.S. It turns out that my frame pump, Zefal HPX4, is a tad too short for 
 60 cm Appa (although it fits fine on 61 Roadini). To my knowledge, HPX4 is 
 the largest size pump Zefal makes. If anyone has recommendations on larger 
 frame pump (or hacks on how to make HPX4 work), please let me know. It's a 
 bummer because I just got this one a few weeks ago.
 
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 10:41:24 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:
> After a few weeks of obsessively checking, finally got a note from Will 
> that it's ready. Picked up my 60 cm Appaloosa arrived today. I took it 
> for a quick 10 mile spin on local paved trail and ride quality has 
> exceeded expectations. It is joyfully upright (Albatross bars), planted, 
> and climbs well. It makes me want to just keep pedaling and forget about 
> things like speed, heart rate, and strava. 
> 
> Here are some pictures
>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 5:46:50 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>> Thanks all for posting pictures of your Appaloosa builds. It has 
>> inspired me to hang on to mine and give it more love. Question for those 
>> of you running wider tires (2.25) How much mud clearance does it leave 
>> when riding a tire of that size. I am thinking about upgrading from 2.0 
>> WTB Venture tires to 2.25 Thunder Burts. Just wondering how well the 
>> tire will fit on Cliffhanger rims. Would appreciate any insight on 
>> clearances. 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 10:54:26 AM UTC-4 bp wrote:
>>> Brendon - Nitto Kite bars. Ordered from Blue Lug many years ago. Keep 
>>> swapping out, keep coming back time and again. Close matches are Soma 
>>> Osprey or Riv Wavie. Beartraps are OK. Comfortable. Aggressive grip on 
>>> shoes. And my shins/calves.
>>> 
>>> Eric - that's out my front door in central Iowa. 
>>> 
 On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 6:22:00 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
 Brent -- That's a nice looking bike there! The friscalating dusklight 
 is complimentary. Where, geographically, are you riding? 
 
> On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 2:58:24 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
> BP, your bike build is excellent. Can I please ask which handlebar 
> that is and also do you like the new Beartrap pedals?
> 
>> On Thursday, 1 July 2021 at 14:50:15 UTC+8 brendonoid wrote:
>> Similar story, but my single TT 57cm just feels more right than my 
>> 58 double tt did. Better fit? Slightly more ideal geo? Just a better 
>> colour?
>> We aren't talking earth shattering differences, but the differences 
>> are good ones.
>> 
>>> On Thursday, 1 July 2021 at 10:43:35 UTC+8 Justin wrote:
>>> Fantastic Appaloosa! How the heck did I miss the memo that Riv was 
>>> now doing single top tube larger size bikes again? MY double top 
>>> tube size 58 is free to a good home... in trade for a single top 
>>> tube version.
>>> 
 On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 10:28:31 PM UTC-4 bp wrote:
 It’s the Advent 1x9 with Microshift thumbie. I had it on hand 
 before the Advent X came out, which currently doesn’t have thumb 
 shifter or barcon options. Nice, economical system. 
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 9:09:15 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
> Nice build! And the scenery isn't bad either. It looks like you 
> chose the Advent 1x10 drivetrain. Are you using the Microshift 
> thumb-shifter?
> Doug
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:56 PM bp  wrote:
>> After snagging one of the orange 60cm frames (completed checkout 

Re: [RBW] FS: Wool Starter Sets- Both Large and XL

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Hiya Karl,

I'd be interested in your medium-sized pile, any chance you could send a pic or 
two and/or a brief description of what all's included in the pile? Thanks!

~Mark


> On Jul 13, 2021, at 15:40, Karl  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to Eat Bacon... I dropped 75-ish pounds a couple of years ago. I have 
> been hoarding and holding onto my wool for too long... So. Mostly tops. Some 
> long sleeved, some short. Large pile has at least 2 light jackets. XL has 
> some fun stuff. Some Rivendell sold, some old Ibex, some other brands. Some 
> new, some well loved and patched up. How does $125 shipped for each size 
> sound? I promise there shouldn't be any reason to gripe about the deal! Also, 
> if you are a medium, I have some shirts (non-wool) and a cool casual 
> Icebreaker coat I will send for $25 to cover shipping. Thanks for looking!
> 
> Karl (Come on...stay in a medium now!)
> Nashville, TN
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: FS/FT:

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Hey everyone, the For Sale/For Trade list has been updated again and 
everything that is no longer available has been removed. Prices have also 
been dropped on most items. Cheers!

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


Pictures are here: 
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*BAGS*
North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar Pack in red and teal, with handlebar kit and 
removable belt to convert it into a hip pack - *$35*
https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-handlebar-bags/products/pioneer-9-handlebar-pack

*BRAKES/BRAKE LEVERS*
Shimano 600 sidepull calipers w/Shimano brake pads - *$30*

Suntour XC LTD short pull brake levers - *$20*

Tektro RX 4.1 inverse brake levers NIB - *$15*

*CRANKS*
Shimano 1st gen. Dura Ace crankset w/ original 52t chainguard, original 
52/39 rings, 170mm length. Threads and tapers are in great shape. Includes 
original Shimano 333 bottom bracket, 112.5mm spindle with crank bolts and 
Shimano dustcaps - *$140*

*DRIVETRAIN/DERAILLEURS*
Shimano "deerhead" XT front/rear derailleur set - *$40*

Shimano XT FD-M780 3x front derailleur NIB - *$25*

Surly Singleator single speed tensioner- *$20*

DMR Bikes single speed tensioner - *$10*

*SHIFTERS*
SunTour Power Ratchet band clamp downtube shifters - *$20*



*Items I'm interested in for trade:*

   - *Soma Cazaderos 650b x 42*


   - *Rene Herse Babyshoe Pass 650b x 42 extralight casing*


   - *27.2 seatpost with long setback (Nitto S84 or similar)*

Thanks for looking y'all, have a great day and enjoy the ride!

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 10:47:04 AM UTC-4 esoterica etc wrote:

>
> Howdy friends,
>
> I've got a bunch of components and gear for sale that I listed over on 
> iBOB, but thought people here might also be interested in some of this 
> stuff. Prices listed are net to me and do not include shipping, but the 
> more you buy, the more I can combine shipping and make you a better deal. 
> Payment can be made through PayPal. I also have a few items listed at the 
> bottom of this email that I'd be interested in for trade. 
>
> Pictures are here: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-KZRFfctZScgJb2YrECDBK4v5cEeORUB?usp=sharing
>
>
> *BAGS*
> Acorn Large Saddlebag, dark olive color, matches with handlebar bag below 
> - *$100*  
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/large-saddlebag?variant=21201881860
>
> Acorn Handlebar Bag, dark olive color, matches with large saddlebag above 
> - *$45*  
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/handlebar-bag?variant=13618180164
>
> Sackville Banana Sax in royal blue - *$90 * 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-banana-sax
>
> Sackville SaddleSack XSmall in royal blue - *$60  *
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-saddlesack-xsmall-olive-20130?variant=23334213953
>
> North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar Pack in red and teal, with handlebar kit and 
> removable belt to convert it into a hip pack - *$40  *
> https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-handlebar-bags/products/pioneer-9-handlebar-pack
>
>
> *BRAKES/BRAKE LEVERS*
> Shimano 600 sidepull calipers w/Shimano brake pads - *$35*
>
> Suntour XC LTD short pull brake levers - *$25*
>
> Tektro RX 4.1 inverse brake levers NIB - *$15*
>
>
> *CRANKS*
> Shimano 1st gen. Dura Ace crankset w/ original 52t chainguard, original 
> 52/39 rings, 170mm length. Threads and tapers are in great shape. Includes 
> original Shimano 333 bottom bracket, 112.5mm spindle with crank bolts and 
> Shimano dustcaps - *$150*
>
>
> *DRIVETRAIN/DERAILLEURS*
> Shimano Crane (Dura Ace) GS long cage rear derailleur (I successfully used 
> this with a 9spd cassette, 34t large cog in friction mode) - *$70*
>
> Shimano Titlist front double derailleur, 26.8 clamp - *$20*
>
> Shimano "deerhead" XT front/rear derailleur set - *$45*
>
> Shimano XT FD-M780 3x front derailleur NIB - *$25*
>
> Shimano Biopace 48-38-28 chainrings for 110/74 cranks - *$20 for all 
> three*
>
> Surly Singleator single speed tensioner - *$25*
>
> DMR Bikes single speed tensioner - *$15*
>
>
> *SHIFTERS*
> SunTour Power Ratchet band clamp downtube shifters - *$20*
>
>
> *TIRES*
> Compass/Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass tires, ultralight casing. 26" x 2.3 (<500 
> miles) - *$105*
>
> Compass/Rene Herse Steilacoom knobby tires, standard casing. 700c x 38 - 
> *$50*
>
>
>
> *Items I'm interested in for trade:*
>
>- *Compact double 46/30 crankset w/ 175mm arms (IRD Defiant, VO Grand 
>Cru, SunXCD, etc.)*
>- *Soma Cazaderos 650b x 42*
>- *Rene Herse Babyshoe Pass 650b x 42 Extralight tires*
>- *Shimano CX70, IRD Sub-C or similar front derailleur (26.8 clamp, 
>bottom pull)*
>- *27.2 seatpost with long setback 

[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Acorn bags, Rene Herse tires, XT, Dura-Ace, etc.

[esoterica etc]

Hey everyone, the For Sale/For Trade list has been updated and everything 
that is no longer available has been removed. Have a wonderful weekend!

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


Pictures are here: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-KZRFfctZScgJb2YrECDBK4v5cEeORUB?usp=sharing


*BAGS*
Acorn Large Saddlebag, dark olive color, matches with handlebar bag below - 
*$100*  
https://www.acornbags.com/products/large-saddlebag?variant=21201881860

Acorn Handlebar Bag, dark olive color, matches with large saddlebag above - 
*$45*  
https://www.acornbags.com/products/handlebar-bag?variant=13618180164

North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar Pack in red and teal, with handlebar kit and 
removable belt to convert it into a hip pack - *$40  *
https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-handlebar-bags/products/pioneer-9-handlebar-pack

*BRAKES/BRAKE LEVERS*
Shimano 600 sidepull calipers w/Shimano brake pads - *$35*

Suntour XC LTD short pull brake levers - *$25*

Tektro RX 4.1 inverse brake levers NIB - *$15*

*CRANKS*
Shimano 1st gen. Dura Ace crankset w/ original 52t chainguard, original 
52/39 rings, 170mm length. Threads and tapers are in great shape. Includes 
original Shimano 333 bottom bracket, 112.5mm spindle with crank bolts and 
Shimano dustcaps - *$150*

*DRIVETRAIN/DERAILLEURS*
Shimano Crane (Dura Ace) GS long cage rear derailleur (I successfully used 
this with a 9spd cassette, 34t large cog in friction mode) - *$70*

Shimano "deerhead" XT front/rear derailleur set - *$45*

Shimano XT FD-M780 3x front derailleur NIB - *$25*

Shimano Biopace 48-38-28 chainrings for 110/74 cranks - *$20 for all three*

Surly Singleator single speed tensioner- *$25*

DMR Bikes single speed tensioner - *$15*

*SHIFTERS*
SunTour Power Ratchet band clamp downtube shifters - *$20*

*TIRES*
Compass/Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass tires, ultralight casing. 26" x 2.3 (<500 
miles) - *$105*



*Items I'm interested in for trade:*

   - *Compact double 46/30 crankset w/ 175mm arms (IRD Defiant, VO Grand 
   Cru, SunXCD, etc.)*
   - *Soma Cazaderos 650b x 42*
   - *27.2 seatpost with long setback (Nitto S84 or similar)*
   - *Long drop front brake cable hanger for 1" headset (Paul Funky Monkey 
   or similar)*


Thanks for looking y'all, have a great day and enjoy the ride!

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 10:47:04 AM UTC-4 esoterica etc wrote:

>
> Howdy friends,
>
> I've got a bunch of components and gear for sale that I listed over on 
> iBOB, but thought people here might also be interested in some of this 
> stuff. Prices listed are net to me and do not include shipping, but the 
> more you buy, the more I can combine shipping and make you a better deal. 
> Payment can be made through PayPal. I also have a few items listed at the 
> bottom of this email that I'd be interested in for trade. 
>
> Pictures are here: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-KZRFfctZScgJb2YrECDBK4v5cEeORUB?usp=sharing
>
>
> *BAGS*
> Acorn Large Saddlebag, dark olive color, matches with handlebar bag below 
> - *$100*  
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/large-saddlebag?variant=21201881860
>
> Acorn Handlebar Bag, dark olive color, matches with large saddlebag above 
> - *$45*  
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/handlebar-bag?variant=13618180164
>
> Sackville Banana Sax in royal blue - *$90 * 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-banana-sax
>
> Sackville SaddleSack XSmall in royal blue - *$60  *
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-saddlesack-xsmall-olive-20130?variant=23334213953
>
> North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar Pack in red and teal, with handlebar kit and 
> removable belt to convert it into a hip pack - *$40  *
> https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-handlebar-bags/products/pioneer-9-handlebar-pack
>
>
> *BRAKES/BRAKE LEVERS*
> Shimano 600 sidepull calipers w/Shimano brake pads - *$35*
>
> Suntour XC LTD short pull brake levers - *$25*
>
> Tektro RX 4.1 inverse brake levers NIB - *$15*
>
>
> *CRANKS*
> Shimano 1st gen. Dura Ace crankset w/ original 52t chainguard, original 
> 52/39 rings, 170mm length. Threads and tapers are in great shape. Includes 
> original Shimano 333 bottom bracket, 112.5mm spindle with crank bolts and 
> Shimano dustcaps - *$150*
>
>
> *DRIVETRAIN/DERAILLEURS*
> Shimano Crane (Dura Ace) GS long cage rear derailleur (I successfully used 
> this with a 9spd cassette, 34t large cog in friction mode) - *$70*
>
> Shimano Titlist front double derailleur, 26.8 clamp - *$20*
>
> Shimano "deerhead" XT front/rear derailleur set - *$45*
>
> Shimano XT FD-M780 3x front derailleur NIB - *$25*
>
> Shimano Biopace 48-38-28 chainrings for 110/74 cranks - *$20 for all 
> three*
>
> Surly Singleator single speed tensioner - *$25*
>
> DMR Bikes single spe

[RBW] FS/FT: Sackville, Acorn bags,

[esoterica etc]

Howdy friends,

I've got a bunch of components and gear for sale that I listed over on 
iBOB, but thought people here might also be interested in some of this 
stuff. Prices listed are net to me and do not include shipping, but the 
more you buy, the more I can combine shipping and make you a better deal. 
Payment can be made through PayPal. I also have a few items listed at the 
bottom of this email that I'd be interested in for trade. 

Pictures are here: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-KZRFfctZScgJb2YrECDBK4v5cEeORUB?usp=sharing


*BAGS*
Acorn Large Saddlebag, dark olive color, matches with handlebar bag below - 
*$100*  
https://www.acornbags.com/products/large-saddlebag?variant=21201881860

Acorn Handlebar Bag, dark olive color, matches with large saddlebag above - 
*$45*  
https://www.acornbags.com/products/handlebar-bag?variant=13618180164

Sackville Banana Sax in royal blue - *$90 * 
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-banana-sax

Sackville SaddleSack XSmall in royal blue - *$60  *
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-saddlesack-xsmall-olive-20130?variant=23334213953

North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar Pack in red and teal, with handlebar kit and 
removable belt to convert it into a hip pack - *$40  *
https://northstbags.com/collections/bike-handlebar-bags/products/pioneer-9-handlebar-pack


*BRAKES/BRAKE LEVERS*
Shimano 600 sidepull calipers w/Shimano brake pads - *$35*

Suntour XC LTD short pull brake levers - *$25*

Tektro RX 4.1 inverse brake levers NIB - *$15*


*CRANKS*
Shimano 1st gen. Dura Ace crankset w/ original 52t chainguard, original 
52/39 rings, 170mm length. Threads and tapers are in great shape. Includes 
original Shimano 333 bottom bracket, 112.5mm spindle with crank bolts and 
Shimano dustcaps - *$150*


*DRIVETRAIN/DERAILLEURS*
Shimano Crane (Dura Ace) GS long cage rear derailleur (I successfully used 
this with a 9spd cassette, 34t large cog in friction mode) - *$70*

Shimano Titlist front double derailleur, 26.8 clamp - *$20*

Shimano "deerhead" XT front/rear derailleur set - *$45*

Shimano XT FD-M780 3x front derailleur NIB - *$25*

Shimano Biopace 48-38-28 chainrings for 110/74 cranks - *$20 for all three*

Surly Singleator single speed tensioner - *$25*

DMR Bikes single speed tensioner - *$15*


*SHIFTERS*
SunTour Power Ratchet band clamp downtube shifters - *$20*


*TIRES*
Compass/Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass tires, ultralight casing. 26" x 2.3 (<500 
miles) - *$105*

Compass/Rene Herse Steilacoom knobby tires, standard casing. 700c x 38 - 
*$50*



*Items I'm interested in for trade:*

   - *Compact double 46/30 crankset w/ 175mm arms (IRD Defiant, VO Grand 
   Cru, SunXCD, etc.)*
   - *Soma Cazaderos 650b x 42*
   - *Rene Herse Babyshoe Pass 650b x 42 Extralight tires*
   - *Shimano CX70, IRD Sub-C or similar front derailleur (26.8 clamp, 
   bottom pull)*
   - *27.2 seatpost with long setback (Nitto S84 or similar)*
   - *Long drop front brake cable hanger for 1" headset (Paul Funky Monkey 
   or similar)*


Thanks for looking y'all, have a great day and enjoy the ride!

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

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Re: [RBW] Re: Centerpull Rear Cable Management

[esoterica etc]

+1 for the Surly hanger. I've got one on my Soma San Marcos pulling Paul Racers 
and another on my wife's Clem pulling some vintage XT cantilevers. They're nice 
and long (I think maybe even the longest rear hanger on the market) to give you 
a more gentle cable arc. They work a treat, and at ~$10 a pop, probably about 
the cheapest rear hanger too. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On May 26, 2021, at 13:29, Philip Barrett  wrote:
> 
> I was going to suggest the same but wanted to see what was going on in case 
> there was another issue
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:27:12 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>> Yep, that's the ticket. I've got a longer Nitto one but I'd really like it 
>> to be adjustable. Thanks Laing!
>> 
>> Bones
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 1:11:44 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>> Use a longer hanger. Nitto, Surly, Rene Herse, Paul Funky Monkey, 
>>> Dia-Compe. Vintage Weinmann and Mafac.
>>> 
>>> I like the Surly - nice and long, and adjustable. if you take out the 
>>> adjuster lock nut, you can even get a touch of extra length.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>> 
 On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 12:57:24 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
 I've got some Paul Racer's on my Roadini. I am using the small adjustable 
 Nitto hanger. I've never been happy with the bend in the housing (Jagwire 
 Pro). It works, but it rubs a little and I am looking for tips on how to 
 get some smoother braking. Length? Bending tips? Different housing?
 
 Thanks!
 Bones
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Re: [RBW] Another >10year old Rivendell

[esoterica etc]

In his initial post to start this thread, Bill said, "My Sam Hillborne is 
freaking perfect, and there is no question in my mind that if I had to downsize 
from 16 bikes to 1, the Hillborne would be the one I'd keep."

I'm really rather surprised to hear you say that Bill, especially since you've 
got an Ebisu All-Purpose bike. Could you please expound on the reason(s) that, 
for you, makes your Hillborne better than the Ebisu? 

On a tangential note, if you ever find yourself in a pickle and have to scale 
down to N, I call first dibs on the Ebisu!  :)

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On May 18, 2021, at 13:11, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> My Sam Hillborne is freaking perfect, and there is no question in my mind 
> that if I had to downsize from 16 bikes to 1, the Hillborne would be the one 
> I'd keep.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Racks & Baskets - weight on the front...

[esoterica etc]

Justin, thanks for posting a pic, your San Marcos looks ready for an adventure! 
How much of an influence do you think the double top tube has on the stability 
of your front load vs. a rear load? Thanks,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 16:09, Justin Drake  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Per Mark's request - 
> 
> Justin, Grazing in the Grass, Cali
>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 4:31:23 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Justin, I like the sound of your setup on the Soma, would love to see 
>> some pics! Cheers,
>> 
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh, NC
>> 
 On Apr 12, 2021, at 15:19, Justin Drake  wrote:
 
>>> TLDR: Over time I've moved more weight forward and lower and experienced 
>>> better handling. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Many years ago I would use dual rear panniers. That worked fine, but after 
>>> I started to move weight to the front I realized a heavy rear load really 
>>> affected the handling of most bikes. With a heavy rear load you cant toss 
>>> the bike side-to-side when making an out-of-the-saddle effort. Maybe it's 
>>> the long lever of the weight far back, but I feel like a bike is much more 
>>> stable with a balanced (front AND rear) load. I also think the rear wheel 
>>> already has the most stress when unloaded and adding extra weight in 
>>> panniers and a rear rack only increases the burden on the wheel and tire. 
>>> 
>>> Over time I have added more and more weight to the front of my bikes. 
>>> Started with a giant Wald 157 delivery basket on the front of a Schwinn 
>>> Speedster 3-speed with the collapsible wire Wald baskets on the back. That 
>>> bike had very stable handling and with steel wheels and a heavy steel frame 
>>> it could take a heavy load front and rear well. Ginormous grocery runs. 
>>> 
>>> I've moved to lighter bikes and lighter/smaller bags and baskets. A great 
>>> option for commuting was a 137 up front and a Carradice or Bags by Bird 
>>> large saddle bag in the back. Balanced loads if a little top heavy. My most 
>>> recent commuting setup is a Soma Lucas rack in the front with dual Jandd 
>>> mini-mountain panniers on a Soma San Marcos with Albatross bars. This is a 
>>> wonderful set up for commuting and I have found that I can load the 
>>> panniers with way more weight with less effect on the handling than a Wald 
>>> basket and saddle bag. The rear has no weight. 
>>> 
>>> My bikepacking bike has a Bags by Bird large on the front supported by a 
>>> Lucas rack. Putting the weight between my hands is much more stable than if 
>>> the weight was off the back of the bike. I add my light sleeping bag and 
>>> warm clothes in a dry bag strapped to a aluminum rear rack. 
>>> 
>>> Justin in Sacratomato 
>>> 
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 9:45:08 AM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
> Those Wald rear baskets are great--I use one for grocery shopping 
> routinely.  I have the larger version, the Wald 535 (18 inches long).  It 
> is very sturdy--no problem loading it with cans, milk cartons, etc and 
> you can strap a big bag of dog food or whatever over the top.  I have a 
> set of the Wald folding baskets too, but they are much flimsier than the 
> non-folding kind, and they rattle.
> 
> It is true that these rear baskets do not match the shape of an ordinary 
> grocery bag (paper sack, or the reusable kind).  Takes a little repacking 
> at the bike rack.
> 
> At one point I had this rear basket on my 59cm Clem H.  It didn't 
> work--for some reason it created a bad shudder in the fork.  But it works 
> fine on this old Peugeot.  And, getting back to the original question: on 
> this bike I always load the rear first, and only put light things in the 
> front basket.  Handling gets weird if there is much weight up front:
> 
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 8:16:16 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Funny you should say that but I was thinking the Wald folding basket 
>> would be interesting particularly as I'm sure you could come up with an 
>> easy mount/dismount system with a trip to the local Ace Hardware. 
>> Certainly not boutique PNW custom pricing either.
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Folding-Rear-Bicycle-Basket/dp/B0012DVQVQ?th=1
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 7:08:03 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>> I've been toying with this for a few weeks: 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Medium-Basket-13-5X6-25X11/dp/B001EL7P34?th=1
>>> 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Racks & Baskets - weight on the front...

[esoterica etc]

Hey Justin, I like the sound of your setup on the Soma, would love to see some 
pics! Cheers,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC

> On Apr 12, 2021, at 15:19, Justin Drake  wrote:
> 
> TLDR: Over time I've moved more weight forward and lower and experienced 
> better handling. 
> 
> Many years ago I would use dual rear panniers. That worked fine, but after I 
> started to move weight to the front I realized a heavy rear load really 
> affected the handling of most bikes. With a heavy rear load you cant toss the 
> bike side-to-side when making an out-of-the-saddle effort. Maybe it's the 
> long lever of the weight far back, but I feel like a bike is much more stable 
> with a balanced (front AND rear) load. I also think the rear wheel already 
> has the most stress when unloaded and adding extra weight in panniers and a 
> rear rack only increases the burden on the wheel and tire. 
> 
> Over time I have added more and more weight to the front of my bikes. Started 
> with a giant Wald 157 delivery basket on the front of a Schwinn Speedster 
> 3-speed with the collapsible wire Wald baskets on the back. That bike had 
> very stable handling and with steel wheels and a heavy steel frame it could 
> take a heavy load front and rear well. Ginormous grocery runs. 
> 
> I've moved to lighter bikes and lighter/smaller bags and baskets. A great 
> option for commuting was a 137 up front and a Carradice or Bags by Bird large 
> saddle bag in the back. Balanced loads if a little top heavy. My most recent 
> commuting setup is a Soma Lucas rack in the front with dual Jandd 
> mini-mountain panniers on a Soma San Marcos with Albatross bars. This is a 
> wonderful set up for commuting and I have found that I can load the panniers 
> with way more weight with less effect on the handling than a Wald basket and 
> saddle bag. The rear has no weight. 
> 
> My bikepacking bike has a Bags by Bird large on the front supported by a 
> Lucas rack. Putting the weight between my hands is much more stable than if 
> the weight was off the back of the bike. I add my light sleeping bag and warm 
> clothes in a dry bag strapped to a aluminum rear rack. 
> 
> Justin in Sacratomato 
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 9:45:08 AM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>> Those Wald rear baskets are great--I use one for grocery shopping routinely. 
>>  I have the larger version, the Wald 535 (18 inches long).  It is very 
>> sturdy--no problem loading it with cans, milk cartons, etc and you can strap 
>> a big bag of dog food or whatever over the top.  I have a set of the Wald 
>> folding baskets too, but they are much flimsier than the non-folding kind, 
>> and they rattle.
>> 
>> It is true that these rear baskets do not match the shape of an ordinary 
>> grocery bag (paper sack, or the reusable kind).  Takes a little repacking at 
>> the bike rack.
>> 
>> At one point I had this rear basket on my 59cm Clem H.  It didn't work--for 
>> some reason it created a bad shudder in the fork.  But it works fine on this 
>> old Peugeot.  And, getting back to the original question: on this bike I 
>> always load the rear first, and only put light things in the front basket.  
>> Handling gets weird if there is much weight up front:
>> 
>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 8:16:16 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Funny you should say that but I was thinking the Wald folding basket would 
>>> be interesting particularly as I'm sure you could come up with an easy 
>>> mount/dismount system with a trip to the local Ace Hardware. Certainly not 
>>> boutique PNW custom pricing either.
>>> 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Folding-Rear-Bicycle-Basket/dp/B0012DVQVQ?th=1
>>> 
 On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 7:08:03 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
 I've been toying with this for a few weeks: 
 https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Medium-Basket-13-5X6-25X11/dp/B001EL7P34?th=1
 
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Re: [RBW] ISO Red Paul spring adjuster nuts (or perhaps mixed colors?)

[esoterica etc]

Lucky, here's exactly what you're looking for on eBay: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Paul-Moon-Unit-Cable-Hangers-Red-with-red-spring-adjusters/164709094374

~Mark 


> On Feb 21, 2021, at 23:59, Lucky Turnip  wrote:
> 
> 
> Looking for either: 
> 
> Four red Paul Comp spring adjuster nuts 
> Or
> Four colorful not black or silver Paul Comp spring adjuster nuts (hopefully  
> at least one is red)
> 
> To use with my Neo-Retro brakes.
> 
> Also perhaps some colorful Moon Units. 
> 
> Please e-mail me Off List if you have any of these things for sale. Thanks! 
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Re: [RBW] Just pics of your good ride thread

[esoterica etc]

Jason,

Kudos on the composition of your pic, that's just a fantastic image. Well done 
and thanks for sharing. I used to live in Bellingham and took occasional trips 
to Vancouver and the surrounding areas, and I always enjoyed the beauty of the 
region and the friendliness of the people there. Cheers,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Dec 23, 2020, at 20:26, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> Cheers Patrick,  I really should keep in the habit of adding my location to 
> my sign-off.  I'm in Vancouver BC, aka the only temperate corner of Canada 
> where it was below freezing overnight (and very, very slippery in the 
> morning) but warmed to ~45F in the afternoon. We don't get a lot of snow here 
> but when we do, it's a mess because a) people aren't really used to it here 
> and b) being a wet snow that falls around the freezing mark (often crossing 
> back and forth), it is really really slippery compared to other places. I 
> could barely walk along the sidewalk at 8am, it was just a sheet of ice.  But 
> by afternoon things were pretty OK!  This particular location is Queen 
> Elizabeth Park, which rests atop one of the highest elevation spots in the 
> city, around 8km southeast of the downtown core.  
> 
> Cheers, 
> Jason in Vancouver BC 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Revelate, SKF, XTR, Nitto, Velo Orange, more!

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Updated list of what's still available:


1. *Shimano XT FD-M780 Front Derailleur for 3x drivetrains**  $20* (new in 
box)

2. *Revelate Gas Tank bag*  
*$40  SOLD*

3. *North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar/Waist bag*  *$45* (includes waist belt)

4. *Shimano XTR front hub w/ matching XTR skewer, 32 hole HB-900*   *$45*

5. *DMR Bikes Single Speed Chain Tensioner*  *$15*

6. *Surly Singleator*  *$35*

7. *Shimano XT M730 6-speed Indexing Thumb Shifters*  *$40*  *SOLD*

8. *Velo Orange Decaleur Fork Receiver for 1 1/8" stems*  *$10*

9. *The Original Italian Road Bike Mirror*  
*$30  SOLD*

10. *SKF bottom bracket - JIS square taper 113mm length for 70mm shell*  
*$100* (this was only installed to test fit but never ridden)

11. *Nitto RM013 handlebars - 26.0 clamp, 46mm center-to-center at ends*  
*$50*

12. *Velo Orange Pass Hunter/Randonneur front rack*  *$40*  *SOLD*

13. *Jim Blackburn vintage Lowrider front rack*  *$30* (includes U-clamps 
for mounting on fork legs without mid braze-ons)  *SOLD*


On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 9:26:47 AM UTC-5 Brian Campbell wrote:

> I would like the Shimano Thumb shifters if still available. Can't seem to 
> contact you off list on my iphone.
>
> On Sunday, November 22, 2020 at 6:31:41 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> The Velo Orange and the Blackburn racks are sold. 
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2020, at 14:40, esoterica etc  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> Like many this time of year, I find myself going through my parts stash 
>> and discovering things that aren't being used and probably won't be in the 
>> foreseeable future. So here's a random assortment of parts that I'd like to 
>> offer up to the group. *Prices listed include shipping anywhere in the 
>> US*. All items are gently used and in good or better condition unless 
>> otherwise noted. Thanks for looking and have a great Thanksgiving week!
>>
>> link to pictures: 
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-KZRFfctZScgJb2YrECDBK4v5cEeORUB
>>
>>
>> 1. *Shimano XT FD-M780 Front Derailleur for 3x drivetrains**  $20* (new 
>> in box)
>>
>> 2. *Revelate Gas Tank bag*  *$40*
>>
>> 3. *North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar/Waist bag*  *$45* (includes waist belt)
>>
>> 4. *Shimano XTR front hub w/ matching XTR skewer, 32 hole HB-900*   *$45*
>>
>> 5. *DMR Bikes Single Speed Chain Tensioner*  *$15*
>>
>> 6. *Surly Singleator*  *$35*
>>
>> 7. *Shimano XT M730 6-speed Indexing Thumb Shifters*  *$40*
>>
>> 8. *Velo Orange Decaleur Fork Receiver for 1 1/8" stems*  *$10*
>>
>> 9. *The Original Italian Road Bike Mirror*  
>> *$30 *
>>
>> 10. *SKF bottom bracket - JIS square taper 113mm length for 70mm shell*  
>> *$100* (this was only installed to test fit but never ridden)
>>
>> 11. *Nitto RM013 handlebars - 26.0 clamp, 46mm center-to-center at ends*  
>> *$50*
>>
>> 12. *Velo Orange Pass Hunter/Randonneur front rack*  *$40*
>>
>> 13. *Jim Blackburn vintage Lowrider front rack*  *$30* (includes 
>> U-clamps for mounting on fork legs without mid braze-ons)
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Revelate, SKF, XTR, Nitto, Velo Orange, more!

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The Velo Orange and the Blackburn racks are sold. 

> On Nov 22, 2020, at 14:40, esoterica etc  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Greetings all,
> 
> Like many this time of year, I find myself going through my parts stash and 
> discovering things that aren't being used and probably won't be in the 
> foreseeable future. So here's a random assortment of parts that I'd like to 
> offer up to the group. Prices listed include shipping anywhere in the US. All 
> items are gently used and in good or better condition unless otherwise noted. 
> Thanks for looking and have a great Thanksgiving week!
> 
> link to pictures: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-KZRFfctZScgJb2YrECDBK4v5cEeORUB
> 
> 
> 1. Shimano XT FD-M780 Front Derailleur for 3x drivetrains  $20 (new in box)
> 
> 2. Revelate Gas Tank bag  $40
> 
> 3. North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar/Waist bag  $45 (includes waist belt)
> 
> 4. Shimano XTR front hub w/ matching XTR skewer, 32 hole HB-900   $45
> 
> 5. DMR Bikes Single Speed Chain Tensioner  $15
> 
> 6. Surly Singleator  $35
> 
> 7. Shimano XT M730 6-speed Indexing Thumb Shifters  $40
> 
> 8. Velo Orange Decaleur Fork Receiver for 1 1/8" stems  $10
> 
> 9. The Original Italian Road Bike Mirror  $30
> 
> 10. SKF bottom bracket - JIS square taper 113mm length for 70mm shell  $100 
> (this was only installed to test fit but never ridden)
> 
> 11. Nitto RM013 handlebars - 26.0 clamp, 46mm center-to-center at ends  $50
> 
> 12. Velo Orange Pass Hunter/Randonneur front rack  $40
> 
> 13. Jim Blackburn vintage Lowrider front rack  $30 (includes U-clamps for 
> mounting on fork legs without mid braze-ons)
> 
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[RBW] FS: Revelate, SKF, XTR, Nitto, Velo Orange, more!

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Greetings all,

Like many this time of year, I find myself going through my parts stash and 
discovering things that aren't being used and probably won't be in the 
foreseeable future. So here's a random assortment of parts that I'd like to 
offer up to the group. *Prices listed include shipping anywhere in the US*. 
All items are gently used and in good or better condition unless otherwise 
noted. Thanks for looking and have a great Thanksgiving week!

link to pictures: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-KZRFfctZScgJb2YrECDBK4v5cEeORUB


1. *Shimano XT FD-M780 Front Derailleur for 3x drivetrains**  $20* (new in 
box)

2. *Revelate Gas Tank bag*  *$40*

3. *North St. Pioneer 9 Handlebar/Waist bag*  *$45* (includes waist belt)

4. *Shimano XTR front hub w/ matching XTR skewer, 32 hole HB-900*   *$45*

5. *DMR Bikes Single Speed Chain Tensioner*  *$15*

6. *Surly Singleator*  *$35*

7. *Shimano XT M730 6-speed Indexing Thumb Shifters*  *$40*

8. *Velo Orange Decaleur Fork Receiver for 1 1/8" stems*  *$10*

9. *The Original Italian Road Bike Mirror*  
*$30 *

10. *SKF bottom bracket - JIS square taper 113mm length for 70mm shell*  
*$100* (this was only installed to test fit but never ridden)

11. *Nitto RM013 handlebars - 26.0 clamp, 46mm center-to-center at ends*  
*$50*

12. *Velo Orange Pass Hunter/Randonneur front rack*  *$40*

13. *Jim Blackburn vintage Lowrider front rack*  *$30* (includes U-clamps 
for mounting on fork legs without mid braze-ons)

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Blue Riv Banana Sax or similar

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Ben,

Thanks for the help. I was aware that Riv does have the Banana Sax in royal in 
stock right now, I was just hoping to find one used and save some cash. 

However, when you look at pictures of the royal blue Banana Sax on Riv's 
website, and then compare them with the pictures of the royal blue small 
TrunkSack, the TrunkSack looks to be a noticeably lighter shade of blue (at 
least to my eyes anyways). Maybe it's just a trick of the camera/screen. Anyone 
else notice this? 


~Mark 
Raleigh , NC


> On Nov 5, 2020, at 12:19, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but has Rivendell sold blue bags 
> that are different color that the ones they call "Royal"? 
> 
> The only reason I ask is because the Royal banana sacks are available on 
> Riv's website still. If you already knew that, wanted used, it's not the 
> right blue, etc..., I apologize! 
> 
> -Ben
> 
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 11:00:06 AM UTC-6 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Just a bump to see if anyone's got a suitable bag for sale.
>> 
>> ~Mark
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:07:04 AM UTC-4 esoterica etc wrote:
>>> 
>>> Howdy all,
>>> 
>>> I'm in the market for a blue Sackville Banana Sax. I'm also open to other 
>>> brands with a similar "banana"-type bag, but my preference is for the 
>>> Sackville. Gotta be blue. PM me to let me know whatcha got! Thanks,
>>> 
>>> ~Mark
>>> Raleigh, NC
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Blue Riv Banana Sax or similar

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Just a bump to see if anyone's got a suitable bag for sale.

~Mark

On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:07:04 AM UTC-4 esoterica etc wrote:

>
> Howdy all,
>
> I'm in the market for a blue Sackville Banana Sax. I'm also open to other 
> brands with a similar "banana"-type bag, but my preference is for the 
> Sackville. Gotta be blue. PM me to let me know whatcha got! Thanks,
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
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[RBW] WTB: Blue Riv Banana Sax or similar

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Howdy all,

I'm in the market for a blue Sackville Banana Sax. I'm also open to other 
brands with a similar "banana"-type bag, but my preference is for the 
Sackville. Gotta be blue. PM me to let me know whatcha got! Thanks,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gauging interest for potential sale of 58 saluki

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Ok, you've called my bluff Kai, I'll up it to $88.88!

(By the way, I checked the rules and I also thought there was a rule about 
fishing, but I couldn't seem to find one)

~Mark 


> On Sep 29, 2020, at 13:38, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
> 
> $82.51.
> -Kai
> (but in all seriousness, no price fishing allowed. I think it states that 
> clearly in the group rules but I'm too lazy to look up the statute. Why not 
> aim high and back it off until you've got a taker. $7000 complete?)
> 
>> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 12:48:43 PM UTC-4 esoterica etc wrote:
>> Ooh ooh, I'll up it to $77.50!
>> 
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh, NC
>> 
>>>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 17:54, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> I'll start the bidding at $75.
>>> -Kai
>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 5:36:15 PM UTC-4 Dylan A wrote:
>>>> Hey, 
>>>>Just seeing how much interested in out there for a 58 Saluki, I am 
>>>> considering listen for sale?  I have it set up with 9 speed Ultegra now 
>>>> but in its original state has a paul rear wheel with 7 speed freewheel and 
>>>> bar end shifters.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gauging interest for potential sale of 58 saluki

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Ooh ooh, I'll up it to $77.50!

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC

> On Sep 27, 2020, at 17:54, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
> 
> I'll start the bidding at $75.
> -Kai
> 
>> On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 5:36:15 PM UTC-4 Dylan A wrote:
>> Hey, 
>>Just seeing how much interested in out there for a 58 Saluki, I am 
>> considering listen for sale?  I have it set up with 9 speed Ultegra now but 
>> in its original state has a paul rear wheel with 7 speed freewheel and bar 
>> end shifters.  
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: September Blow Out

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PM sent for 4,5,6 & 17

>> On Sep 23, 2020, at 05:03, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA 
>>  wrote:
> 
> PM Sent for the rNitto rack and Shimano levers. 
> 
> Marty
> 
> 
>> 
>> 2) Nitto Campee Rack. Not sure which rack this is - but it came off the 
>> front of my son's SimpleOne. $10 shipped.
>> 
>> 5) Shimano Flat Bar Brake Levers. In great shape. $10 shipped.
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Velocity Cliffhanger wheelset

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Justin,

Cliffhangers come in four different sizes; it'd be good information for a 
prospective wheelset owner to know what size you're looking for. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC

> On Sep 14, 2020, at 23:59, Justin Wyne  wrote:
> 
> 
> What are the chances someone here has a set they aren't using and would like 
> to sell? Silver preferred but not necessary. 
> 
> thanks for looking
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

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Hey all,

I just checked out a local Soma San Marcos (collaboration between Grant 
Petersen and Soma) for sale in a 57cm. It's got a solid build list, topped off 
by a Rich Lesnik-built wheelset. To me, it feels very similar in ride quality 
to an A. Homer Hilsen. He's selling because he's in the process of building up 
a Sam Hillborne that fits him better. A bit overpriced I think, but he seemed 
open to negotiation. Another bonus is that the seller lives about two miles 
away from Cycles de Oro, bike shop of Dale Brown from Classic Rendezvous. 
Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

https://greensboro.craigslist.org/bik/d/greensboro-soma-san-marcos-57cm/7182452309.html




>> On Aug 23, 2020, at 22:22, Matthew Williams 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Kevin, 
> 
> Andrew is selling his 62 Appaloosa:
> 
> https://austin.craigslist.org/bik/d/austin-62cm-rivendell-joe-appaloosa-f/7177615132.html
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email_source=footer#!msg/rbw-owners-bunch/apup5fwSNrg/5lhbzt7gBQAJ
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 23, 2020, at 7:17 PM, Kevin D norcal  wrote:
>> 
>> Quickbeam 58cm in Seattle
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-quickbeam-single/7183045179.html
>>   
>> 
>> *too many 58's on the market IMO.  I need a 62cm.  If I find my 62 then I 
>> can put my 64's up for sale
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>> This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and sites 
>>> beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be interested. This 
>>> thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people who are 
>>> searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check this out!" 
>>> Here are a few, from today's searches:
>>> 
>>> 61cm Roadini
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590
>>> 
>>> 58cm Quickbeam
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html
>>> 
>>> 52cm Clementine
>>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>>> 
>>> 65cm Redwood
>>> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html
>> 
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto stem, 80-110 mm length, 26.0

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Greetings all,

I'm in search of a Nitto stem, either Technomic or Tallux in a 26.0 clamp 
diameter, in anything from an 80mm-110mm extension. Going to go on a project 
bike, so can be used (but hopefully not TOO abused...). PM me off-list if 
you've got something that fits the bill. Thanks for looking,

~Mark 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

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Michael,

My goodness! What size tires are those, and what kind of Miyata is that that 
allows you to run such huge tires?


~Mark 
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> On Jun 11, 2020, at 12:36, Michael Iauch  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> morning ride along the watauga river Boone, NC
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 11:08:07 AM UTC-4, Paul in Dallas wrote:
>> Why do many of us feel compelled to share pics from our rides?
>> 
>> From my perspective a good bike ride is just so enjoyable on a variety of 
>> levels I just want to share it. 
>> 
>> Some things that come to mind are that a good ride can be:
>> therapeutic, de-stressing, 
>> good exercise, renewing,
>> peaceful, recharging of the batteries,
>> inspiring, and restorative. 
>> (Ok, some of these mean the same thing.)
>> 
>> I'm sure many of you are of a similar mind and have insights and pics to 
>> share of what a good ride does for you and you don't want to keep it to 
>> yourself but share it.
>> 
>> It's not like we haven't already been doing this over the years already but 
>> I didn't have a specific thread to go to on the Riv list so I just started 
>> this one.
>> 
>> I built this bike frame up for a friend the last few days and decided to go 
>> on a 10 mile shake down ride to check it over.
>> 
>> Please share your pics and perspectives.
>> 
>> Paul in Dallas 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

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As "off-topic" as some may think this post is, I don't think anyone can deny 
that the ultimate goal is to support our friends and fellow Americans who have 
been marginalized and treated unequally for long enough. For Jan to offer his 
assistance through a bike-related source is on-topic enough for me. 

Thank you Jan for having the courage to step up, even though by doing so, you 
knew it would polarize many on this list, other lists that you frequent (iBOB, 
650b), and your blog. I commend you and those at BQ for your altruistic 
actions. I have been going back-and-forth on spending the money for a 
subscription, but this offer makes it a no brainer for me. All the best Jan,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC

"Imagine all the people living life in peace"
-John Lennon

> On Jun 2, 2020, at 13:42, Robert Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Jan -- I think this is exactly the place for it. 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:26 PM Kieran J  wrote:
>> I think it's great. Nice job Jan!
>> 
>> KJ
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 9:35:57 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>>> We want to do more than just say nice words. We want to help make change 
>>> that is real and lasting. With that intent, we’re renewing the tradition of 
>>> Bicycle Quarterly fund drives to address urgent needs. For 24 hours, from 
>>> 0:00 until 24:00 (Pacific Time) on June 2, 2020, we’re donating $ 36 for 
>>> each Bicycle Quarterly subscription to Black Lives Matter. That is the full 
>>> amount of a U.S. subscription. Details are at
>>> 
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/blog/
>>> 
>>> And let's not turn this into an off-topic political discussion, please. 
>>> This is just a public service announcement. Feel free to comment on the 
>>> blog. Thank you!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Hub Recommendations

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Bones,

I just want to clarify what you said— did you use the specs of the PV-8 from 
the spoke calculator to build up your Kaisei? Meaning, the PV-8 and the Kaisei 
have identical measurements? Thanks,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On May 21, 2020, at 18:20, Bones  wrote:
> 
> I’ve built two sets of wheels with those Kasai hubs recently. So far I am 
> impressed. I used the PV-8 in a spoke calculator and it worked out just fine.
> 
> Bones
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1985 21" Bridgestone MB-2, XT/XTR build

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The MB-2 was sold this past weekend as a rolling chassis, so I still have the 
Jones loop bar cockpit for sale. I’ll create a new post for it with some pics 
soon. Thanks for all the kudos and inquiries. 

~Mark 

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Re: [RBW] FS: Bags, Bags, Bags and More

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Any pics?


> On Mar 28, 2020, at 01:22, Ahmed Elgasseir  wrote:
> 
> 
> Corona Clean Up of the Garage...
> Apologies in advance for any "For Sale" faux pas, as this is really my first 
> attempt at selling stuff on here. 
> 
> I am a Riv nerd with four rivs so over the years I have collected a bunch of 
> different bags and things in an attempt to dial things up just the way I 
> want. Many impulse buys the just didn't work but they're all in almost 
> perfect condition, if not totally unused. 
> 
> Prices are not including shipping. PayPal or local pickup - I am on the 
> Peninsula in Sillycon Valley. If you're interested I will send more 
> info/pics. 
> 
> Brenn Bags (@cbrennbags in Scotland) Custom Saddle bag leather/treated 
> canvas, never used - $50
> Rivendell Sackville Saddle Sack SMALL - never used. They don't make this 
> anymore so it's a fun "rare" item. - $125
> Ruthworks Custom Brevet - it was on a bike for a hot minute and is in stellar 
> condition - $125
> Ruthworks Custom Standard Wedge - Never used. - $100
> Ruthworks Ultralight Brevet, used on one ride but in like new condition - $75
> Ruthworks Ultralight Wedge, slightly used, $50
> Carradice Carradry Heavy Duty saddle bag, never used - $25
> Carradice "Super C" Cotton Canvas Saddle Pack, never used - $25
> Trash Messenger Bags Custom RED "Wastebasket" fanny pack/mini messenger bag, 
> never used - $50
> Velo Orange Saddlebag in canvas and leather, never used - $20
> Restrap Saddle Bag 8.5x5 rolled up, never used - $25
> Velo Orange Constructeur Front Rack, never used - $75
> Nitto M12 Front Rack, never used - $80
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1985 21" Bridgestone MB-2, XT/XTR build

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Weekend bump with a price drop— asking $525 now for complete bike, or $275 for 
frame/fork/headset. Packing & shipping is extra, and shipping charge will be 
actual cost to your zip code from 27616. Thanks and enjoy your weekend,

~Mark 
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Re: [RBW] Swank Custom Rivendell on email updates

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I so can’t wait to see this bike built up. I can already tell it’s gonna be 
quite amazing. 

~Mark 


> On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:19, Steven Sweedler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Beautiful color and gorgeous hubs, enjoy the bike. St3ve
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:00 PM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles 
>> <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Stunning!
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Re: [RBW] Swank Custom Rivendell on email updates

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I do believe that custom belongs to Laing, as per the “So close, yet so far” 
thread from last month. Laing, it looks fantastic. Are you getting excited??

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC

> On Feb 20, 2020, at 19:44, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> Three fun nuggets in today's email update. 
> 
> 1. Rapid rise rear derailers!
> 2. A custom with naked rear dropouts
> 3. and with headtube mounted shifters
> 
> I can't wait to see that custom built up. 
> 
> Bill Lindsay
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1985 21" Bridgestone MB-2, XT/XTR build

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I’ve gotten a couple of inquiries but nothing solid, so I just wanted to give a 
hump day bump to the MB-2. Cheers,

~Mark 

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Re: [RBW] FS: 2 Compass Steilacooms - $20 plus shipping

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PM sent!

> On Feb 15, 2020, at 17:29, Bill Schairer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Second hand to me so I don’t know mileage.  I put less than 1,000 miles on 
> them.  Just couldnt get them dialed in and I’m converting to tubulars.  I 
> also have Gatorskins in 23, 25, and 28 mm all with plenty of life left.  I’m 
> just figuring nobody will want them.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1985 21" Bridgestone MB-2, XT/XTR build

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Thanks Mark! Those are some nice bikes you’ve got there too. They look almost 
identical in setup, did they both come to you that way? I’ve also got to admit 
that I’ve been enamored with your Huffy Racing bike. I’ve been using it as 
inspiration for putting together a similar build with a Specialized Expedition 
frame. 

For those curious, I checked out the old Bridgestone catalogs on Sheldon’s site 
for the geometry of the 1985 MB-2, and it lists the head tube angle as 70 and 
the seat tube angle as 68. I also found it interesting that the ‘85 and ‘86 
MB-2’s have the longest wheelbase of any Bridgestone model through the years. 
So for all you long-wheelbase lovers, this is the king of early Bridgestones! 
Cheers,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC

> On Feb 12, 2020, at 06:49, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> 
> Nice vintage MTB!  Whoever buys it will have money left over for a Riv basket 
> rack and shop sack or some back o' bike bags. These bikes do everything, go 
> anywhere. 
> 
> Not sure how major a difference is created by the ht angle alone. The 
> Atlantis is 70, the Clem H is 71 or 71.5, the Clem L is 69.5. Vintage 80s 
> mountain bikes were usually in the 68-70 range. The Trek 850 I think has a 70 
> or 71 ht. This number alone doesn't give a full picture, with fork rake and 
> tt length being some other factors. (I believe when Grant came to B-Stone, 
> the MBs got tightened up.) 
> 
> I've been enjoying two vintage 80s mtbs I picked up last summer, a Trek 850 
> and a Peugeot (also seems to have less slack at the ht than, say, my 80s 
> Miyata Ridge Runner). So much so that they have made me lazy in building up 
> my Clem L (though I find its ride even more refined and luxurious.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 10:43:59 AM UTC-5, Matt C. wrote:
>> 70 degree head tube angle is probably the major difference between this and 
>> a MIT Atlantis or Clem.
>> Matt in CT
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1985 21" Bridgestone MB-2, XT/XTR build

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Joe— I totally agree with you. My Atlantis is a thing of beauty to look at and 
ride, but these early MB’s have a great timeless look and feel to them all 
their own. 

~Mark 

> On Feb 10, 2020, at 18:15, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Plus these early MBs just look cool. Somebody buy it!
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1985 21" Bridgestone MB-2, XT/XTR build

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Wyatt & Matt— thanks for the positive comments! You’re both right, it really is 
a great bike. I know the long wheelbase discussion recently has been somewhat 
polarizing, but I personally really like the ride of a longer wheelbase. It 
doesn’t have quite as long of chainstays as the MIT Atlantis (although they’re 
1cm longer than a Hunq!), but I was surprised at the similarities in ride 
quality between the MB-2 and the Atlantis. I really think whoever gets this 
will be really pleased with the bike. 

Ian— sorry to hear your bike got stolen. It’s happened to me before, and it’s 
one of the worst feelings I’ve ever experienced. The bike as it is now was 
built up about two years ago and has been maintained very well since then. The 
headset was cleaned and repacked, and I put in a brand new bottom bracket at 
the same time. Seat post and stem both were given a light film of Phil grease 
before insertion, and nothing on the bike is seized, stuck or frozen. Hope that 
helps and thanks for the interest!

~Mark 

>> On Feb 10, 2020, at 10:44, Matt C.  wrote:
> Someone should buy this bike!!! 
> 
> I have this bike. Or at least had. I just sold it off to my friend who wanted 
> it (but it's still at my house). I don't see many of the 1985's. It's good to 
> see yours. Mine has gone through many iterations. Sweep back bars, slick 
> tires and fenders. Then wide flared drop bars and knobbies. Now the original 
> bullmoose bars and 9spd trigger shifters. Very fun bike. Only sold mine 
> because I'm getting a custom Beardman Bicycles frame made that fits all the 
> same categories as this bike did. 
> 
> Hope you can sell yours. 
> 
> If someone wants this, I highly recommend it. It has long chainstays similar 
> to where Rivendell has gone. Basically, how mountain bikes were being made 
> before racing geometry took over. 70 degree head tube angle is probably the 
> major difference between this and a MIT Atlantis or Clem. 
> 
> Matt in CT
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[RBW] FS: 1985 21" Bridgestone MB-2, XT/XTR build

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Here’s some photos-

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-7u-FjTLuZEHEM2R_EmJhyMYUtY123aV

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[RBW] FS: 1985 21" Bridgestone MB-2, XT/XTR build

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Howdy y'all, I’m putting my 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 up for sale, the first 
year B-stone started making mountain bikes. Fairly long wheelbase, but 
offers a nice, stable ride and climbs very well. You could say this long 
wheelbase design was 30+ years ahead of its time. Non-aggressive geometry, 
is comfy and fun to ride, especially with the Jones H-bar I have on it. I 
built it up primarily as a trekking/bikepacking rig, but lately have also 
used it pretty exclusively as my main mountain biking ride, since it still 
handles quite well on all but the tightest singletrack. Plenty of room to 
run Rat Trap Pass tires with fenders (69/67mm width at fork 
crown/chainstays). 

This is the 21” size, with a seat tube of 53.5cm (c-t), top tube of 58.75cm 
(c-c), standover of 80.65cm, and chainstays are 47cm. 

Selling because there’s surprisingly a lot of overlap with my 56cm MIT 
Atlantis, and I recently built up a Clem for my wife that’s pretty mountain 
bike-y, so as cool as the MB-2 is, it’s become a bit redundant in our 
stable. 

BUILD LIST: 
Jones loop H-bar 710mm with Kraton grips 
Shimano XT SL-M700 deerhead ratcheting thumb shifters 
Shimano XT BL-M730 brake levers 
Soma 1” threadless adapter riser with 40mm stem 
Dia-Compe XCExpert cantilever brakes with Kool Stop dual compound pads 
Shimano XT M737 rear derailleur 
Shimano XT deerhead M700 front derailleur 
Specialized “flag” cold-forged crankset 175mm, 48-36-26 chainrings 
Shimano XT 32-spoke hubs (HB-M738 front, HB-M737 rear) laced to Specialized 
S-Works Z-21 Pro rims 
Shimano XTR CS-M900 8 speed 12-32 cassette 
Shimano BB-UN55 bottom bracket (I think it’s 122.5mm wide) 

Note: the rear dropout width is 130mm and the OLD on the XT rear wheel is 
135mm. I have not cold-set the frame at all, and I’ve been using this rear 
wheel now for about two years with zero issues. It does require a slight 
amount of effort to widen the dropouts when mounting the rear wheel, but 
nothing out of the ordinary. 

NOT INCLUDED in the sale are the saddle, pedals, and the bags. 

I’d like to get $550 for the complete bike. Shipping and packing will be 
approx. $100-$120 extra for the complete bike, depending on where you live. 
Local pick-up is encouraged, and I'd be happy to meet you anywhere in the 
Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill,NC area. I’m also open to selling just the 
frame/fork/headset, rolling chassis, etc. Just let me know what iteration 
you're interested in, and I'm sure we can work something out. Thanks for 
looking, ask lotsa questions, and have a great day! 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

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Kurt, 

I know North Carolina is still pretty far from Pennsylvania, but if you’re ever 
traveling south down Raleigh way, you’re totally welcome to stop by and take my 
56cm MIT Atlantis for a ride. Then you can decide for yourself which side of 
the LWB fence you want to plant yourself on. Cheers,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Jan 26, 2020, at 14:06, 'Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Roberta, I wonder if part of it is a desire on their part to clear the 
> inventory they have in house.  I think Grant has mentioned needing to pay 
> their suppliers up front for frame shipments, which is reasonable.  If they 
> have a bunch of Clems and Hillbornes in the back and are waiting to get their 
> money back when the frames sell, Riv would probably rather people bought 
> those than a semi-custom at less than custom rates.  Obviously a semi-custom 
> is better than spending nothing, for sure!  It seems like it would be a tough 
> line to walk for them.  Do they put the information about the semi-customs 
> out there, potentially pushing people on the fence toward something that 
> their custom builder has to make, or do they keep it kinda quiet and hope 
> those same people grab something off the shelf instead.
> 
> That said, I'm on the fence about the new long wheelbase Atlantis after 
> seeing the MTB video posted recently.  I was previously turned off by the 
> long wheelbase.  Now I'm curious.  I'd like to test ride a long wheelbase 
> bike to see what it's like before throwing down money on one.  But a Legolas? 
>  I've posted in the not too distant past, I think on iBob, about wanting a 
> steel frame without disc brakes but enough clearance for 32+ (emphasis on +) 
> and fenders.  I think a Legolas would more than cover that while being a bit 
> racey, but I gather still not beyond what Grant would design and not 
> something that would wear you out after 30-40 miles.  Anyone holding one care 
> to comment on that part?  If that holds true, I gotta say I'm getting an 
> itchy trigger finger.
> 
> Kurt Henry
> Lancaster, PA
> 
>> On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 4:34:32 AM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>> I wonder why they don't advertise that, but keep it a secret.  Perhaps put 
>> at the bottom of their bike page, next to "Custom", "Previous production 
>> frames."  Then send out an email blast.
>> 
>>> On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 10:50:00 PM UTC-5, S wrote:
>>> In case anyone else here is interested, I asked Riv and you can indeed 
>>> still order a Legolas (without the name) in a standard size for less than 
>>> full custom price. It is also possible to order other retired frames, eg, 
>>> the Saluki. 
>>> 
 On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 5:01:14 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
 What's the big deal?  I have never ridden one of these unicorns, but wow, 
 they seem to be more popular than Rodeo.  So, I'm really intrigued.  Is it 
 simply that you can't get them any longer (or only by special order at 
 custom prices) -- so it's appealing because you can't easily get one?  
 Could someone explain the use and appeal of these things?
 
 From what I've been able to piece together, they are supreme cross bikes.  
 So, they're good at a lot of things.  Kinda like the Kona Jake when it 
 came out.  
 
 Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: eClem again

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Joe,

That’s a sweet looking bike you got there. I built up a Clem for my wife 
earlier this year, and am so impressed with how it rides. Would love to 
experience what a Coppenhagen-equipped bike feels like, especially with your 
glowing review. Glad to hear it’s checking all your boxes, and that you found a 
workable solution to your shifting conundrum. 2020 is going to be your year! 
All the best,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Dec 27, 2019, at 18:18, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Update! Holy moly this is a spectacular bike. I had those wood fenders I 
> mentioned on for a while, which were super pretty but I never figured out a 
> brake bridge attachment that kept the rear from rattling like crazy. I had 
> some Honjos by Simworks from my long gone MIT Atlantis 650B, which I decided 
> will (sorta) fit 26"..I was right! 
> 
> Tubus rack on the back, Nitto HAR up front. Bags are various shades of green 
> and tan: Baggins rear, HAR front, Small Saddlesack, Makeshifter Snackhole. 
> 
> I put a new Silver2 shifter on a left bar pod to shift the rear (cuz bad 
> right hand)..works great 
> 
>>> On Monday, October 28, 2019 at 1:06:25 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Haha, I almost had the wheel sold a couple times before I had found any 
>> 26-incher Rivs to mount it to. It's off the market now, I'm riding it! ‍♂️
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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifters on downtube?

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Yep Joe, you’re right. I recently built up a Clem for my wife with mustache 
bars and Silver1 shifters mounted to an IRD stem adapter. Even though I haven’t 
handled the Silver2’s in person, I’m pretty positive that the Silver1’s work 
better than the Silver2’s on a stem mount. Bill is also right— stem shifters 
ARE boss. Besides the Clem, I’ve built up three other bikes recently (within 
the last couple years) with Suntour Power Ratchet stem-mounted shifters (very 
similar ratcheting action to Silver shifters). I really like stem shifters and 
think it’s definitely an underrated location for shifters. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Dec 7, 2019, at 15:38, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Hmm, the stem mount, I forgot that thing was a thing. This would solve a 
> problem I have with my right hand..I've switched rear shifters to the left 
> side, and on my Clem H with a front shifter it's mounted so I kinda manhandle 
> it with the whole hand to move the shifter (not often in front). With this I 
> could have both shifters on the left: one on the bar and one on stem. 
> 
> Me-thinks Silver1 works better on the stem, though. You get that nice 'top of 
> the fingers' touch on it. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

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Here, here! Welcome to the group and kudos on the intro. Now I second Bill’s 
request: show us some pics!

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Nov 20, 2019, at 20:58, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's a helluva first post, Luis!  Please don't make it your last.  Most 
> importantly, let's see photos of your Homer build!
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 4:25:28 PM UTC-8, Luis Garcia wrote:
>> Hello everyone. This is Luis Garcia in Dallas, Texas.  I believe this is my 
>> first post on the RBW Owners Bunch.  I find this thread very interesting.  
>> This past spring, I purchased my first Rivendell...a 61.5 MIT AHH.  I first 
>> learned about Rivendell and Grant about 10 years ago when I got back into 
>> cycling after laying off for a few short years.  At that time, I was ready 
>> to shed the racer wannabe mentality that I had been holding onto over many 
>> years.  Since then, I have done lots of learning, lots of experimenting with 
>> different types of bikes, and eventually determined that sport tourers were 
>> the bikes for me.  I currently own an '81 Trek 610 and an '85 Trek 510.  I 
>> consider these my "poor man's Homers" (They fit 700 x 37 tires).  When 
>> Grant/Riv rolled out the new MIT Homers with super long chainstays, 
>> different geometry, and super tall head tubes,  I was aghast. I thought my 
>> benchmark and dream bike had been ruined!  At the time, the only redeeming 
>> quality I could see was the lower price of entry into the world of 
>> Rivendell.  As time went by, I studied and read more.  I became convinced 
>> that the new Homer would be good.  Maybe not as good as the original Homer, 
>> but good enough for me. This past spring when Riv offered 10% off on larger 
>> sizes, I pulled the trigger and bought one.  Man oh man, I am so glad that I 
>> pulled the trigger!  I have never ridden an original Homer.  The closest 
>> bikes to an original Homer I have ridden are my aforementioned Treks.  For 
>> me, there is no comparison.  I now see the new Homers as the current state 
>> of the art for non-racing road bike design.  Yes, the new Homers look 
>> different.  Yes, several people have called my Homer a very nice cruiser.  
>> They haven't got a clue. I rarely ride any of my other bikes now, and I do 
>> mean rarely.  I love my MIT Homer.  Hope this helps.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

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Deacon Patrick! Long time no hear— it’s great to see you back commenting on the 
forums again. Here’s hoping we’ll see lots more of your thoughtful and 
insightful posts in the future. The web’s not the same without you friend. All 
the best,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC

> On Nov 16, 2019, at 14:21, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm 200 lbs and ride my fixed gear Quickbeam on most everything as my gofast 
> MTB, much as you describe using your future hillybike. I love it. So long as 
> you ride "light" (unweight the saddle for the technical bits), you'll do 
> fine. I expect the Susie is beefier than the QB. Grin.
> 
> However, I would suggest you may want to consider switching the roles of the 
> Hunq and hillybike. I've ridden the prototype Gus for 9 months and it takes 
> loads on rough roads, loose dirt, mud, rocks, climbs, descents, even better 
> than the Hunq due to the long wheelbase and wide tires. My Hunq is my gofast 
> wintery bike (it's converted to fixed gear) and it is brilliant for that. If 
> you do go that route, the Gus is the way to go. Or go nuts and get one of 
> each. Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
>> On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 5:05:14 AM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote:
>> Good morning,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes 
>> and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie.  Would 
>> you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the Gus, 
>> 2 for the Susie. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As many of you  might know, the Susie is a lighter weight frame available 
>> for lighter weight riders.  The earlier promotional writing listed the 
>> cut-off at 165lbs, though the most recent email advertising the impending 
>> sale changed this figure to 180lbs.  It’s also stipulated that it’s not the 
>> bike for camping-weight loads of 25+ lbs.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I weigh 170lbs, and will never load whichever frame I choose with any 
>> appreciable weight other than myself. I’m the proud owner of a Hunq that 
>> takes care of any loaded off-road-ish rides, and am interested in keeping 
>> the Gus/Susie rack and basket free. It’ll be a dedicated, no load trail 
>> bike.  And I’m not a hard-riding trail rider either — no aggressive 
>> downhilling or sizable jumps. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have 
>> this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, 
>> the Susie with a quill.  It’s been my understanding that a quill stem set-up 
>> weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem is 
>> heavier, of course.  But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will be 
>> quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what the 
>> approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once 
>> read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. 
>> For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the 
>> ballpark?  I ask because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, 
>> and I’m wondering how much of the this savings will be offset by its heavier 
>> stem.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anyways, thanks for listening. Please let me know what you think and help 
>> stop me from driving myself crazy. 
>> 
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[RBW] Brake pads for sale from RBW list

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Hello there, I’d like to get the “Scotty” package of smooth-post brake pads in 
the upper left corner of the picture if they’re still available. How much 
shipped, and where can I send payment? Thanks,

~Mark 

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

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Totally spammy, especially with the handle “Cheviot for Sale”

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Re: [RBW] ideas for daytime visibility: vests and whatnot

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The safety triangles that Riv sells- they’re a game changer!

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Sep 27, 2019, at 14:09, Neil Doran  wrote:
> 
> Over the last few weeks I've had two close calls with automobiles during my 
> morning commute that really seem to come down to 'I didn't see you'.
> 
> I currently have a dyno hub with full-time lights front and rear, and try and 
> ride predictably, but seems like I need to up my visibility game. I'm 
> thinking a very bright and loud reflective vest. Needs to be pretty light 
> weight though, maybe even a mesh.
> 
> Any suggestions from the group mind on either vests you have been happy with, 
> or other tips n tricks for daytime visibility?
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Re: [RBW] Smaller tires on Cliffhanger rims? Snoqualmie (44mm) or small as 38mm? Sam Hillborne 700c

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Abe,

I ended up getting a used wheelset with Velocity Atlas rims and I’ve been 
running Soma Cazaderos (42mm) on them. No issues at all and I’m really happy 
with the wheelset and the tires. 

~Mark 


> On Sep 27, 2019, at 12:44, Pancake  wrote:
> 
> Marc, thanks for the detailed and specific reply! What wheelset / rim did you 
> end up using instead?
> Abe
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Re: [RBW] Smaller tires on Cliffhanger rims? Snoqualmie (44mm) or small as 38mm? Sam Hillborne 700c

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Abe,

Earlier this year, I had this very same question, albeit for 650b Cliffhangers 
instead of your 700c ones. I was wanting to find out what Velocity’s opinion 
was on running narrower tires outside of the “optimum range”- specifically, 
from 43mm down to 38mm. I contacted them and here’s their response:

“Hello Mark,
 
You might be ok with a 43mm, taking it down to 38 is probably too risky.  The 
skinnier you go, the greater the chance of a tire blow off.  Running with tubes 
is more secure than without, but I can’t really say what the limits are.  Some 
tires fit tighter than others so there is no hard and fast rule.”

FWIW, I ended up getting a different, narrower wheelset in which 38-44mm was in 
the “optimum range”. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Sep 27, 2019, at 11:54, Pancake  wrote:
> 
> Summary: plan to switch to tubeless setup, but how small a tire is safe / 
> wise on a 700c Velocity Cliffhanger rim? Snoqualmie (44mm) should be fine, 
> but can I use even smaller tires if I want later?
> 
> Details: 
> Cliffhangers are tubeless compatible, 25mm internal and 30mm external width 
> rims. Basically a wider, tubeless ready version of the Atlas rims I have now. 
> 
> Velocity says the optimal tire width for Cliffhanger rims in 700c is 45mm - 
> 65mm. I figure my current Snoqualmie tires will work fine, but if I want to 
> slap on fenders someday I would need to use 40mm tires, maybe 38mm. 
> 
> Someone posted that they comfortably ran 40mm tires on Cliffhangers, they 
> even suggested it added to the "supple" feel of the ride. Is 40mm as low as 
> you would consider for these rims, or would 38mm be reasonable? 
> 
> Why tubeless? 6 flats in a month (around 250 miles) from glass and goatheads 
> plus a couple pinch flats. Twice got two flats on the same short ride. Not 
> something stuck in the tire, I found a new thorn or glass shard every time 
> (or the large cut from pinch flats). That pushed me over the tubeless edge 
> and I'm looking to buy a tubeless wheelset. I currently have Atlas rims and 
> Snoqualmie 44mm tires on my fenderless Sam Hillborne. 230 pound rider with 
> mostly roads but plenty of random gravel and some slow single track thrown in.
> 
> Planning on XT hubs, DT Swiss double butted spokes, Cliffhanger rims, brass 
> DT nipples, (wheelset built for $375) and Snoqualmie Pass tires. Eventually 
> this wheelset could make it to my Cheviot if the versatile Sam it switched 
> around one day, but the Cheviot rides nicely now with Atlas rims and a dynamo 
> hub and Basketball tires as my daily commuter.
> 
> Alternatively, I can get Cliffhanger rims, straight DT spokes, and Deore hubs 
> wheelset machine built for $255 shipped is someone wants to convince me that 
> the Deore hubs are good enough and the straight spokes are fine for a $120 
> savings. 
> 
> Thanks for your suggestions and advice in advance,
> 
> Abe in Napa with too many flats
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Re: [RBW] WTB: 26" wheel Riv or similar

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Joe, I’ve got a 1985 MB-2 that I’ve been thinking of selling, because it’s got 
A LOT of similarities with my 650b Atlantis. Really long wheelbase, nice stable 
ride and climbs well. Pretty slack geometry and is comfy and fun to ride. 
Plenty of room to run Rat Trap Pass tires. It’s a 21” size with an 80.65cm 
standover. Contact me off list if you’d like more details. Cheers,

~Mark 
Raleigh,NC


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> Anybody?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa 700c to 650b via Paul motolite barkes

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I second this idea. Grant is basically saying in the catalog comparing the Joe 
and the Atlantis that they’re essentially the same bike, just different wheel 
size (56cm and smaller). I was seriously considering a Joe for a long time, but 
then I built up a budget 650b conversion to see if I liked 650b better than 
700c, and ultimately got the 56cm Atlantis.  

Even if you could find a canti or v-brake that could adjust for the drop in 
wheel size, I think you’d be sacrificing a lot in ride quality. In my opinion, 
the designs of the current lineup from Rivendell are a result of decades of 
engineering refinement, and the less you mess with them, the better the ride 
will be. Sure, the bike will still roll if you put smaller wheels on it, but I 
doubt it’ll have that Riv magic feel any more. Sell the Joe and get an Atlantis 
is my vote as well. 

~Mark 



> On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:01, Jonathan D.  wrote:
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> Easiest solution is to sell the Joe and buy a MIT Atlantis, which is mostly a 
> 650B Joe. 
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[RBW] FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne w/ S couplers

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It’s back up!

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/bik/d/raleigh-rivendell-sam-hillborne-with-ss/6967455219.html

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[RBW] FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne w/ S couplers

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Howdy gang,

Just came across this beauty while perusing my local Craigslist:  

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/bik/d/raleigh-rivendell-sam-hillborne-with-ss/6966761884.html

It’s in my town but I’m not in the market for one right now. If you’re really 
serious though, I’d be willing to help facilitate. Cheers,

~Mark 
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Re: [RBW] FOR SALE: Custom MUSA rivendell roadbike

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Pictures and a detailed build list sure would help if you’re trying to move a 
$2k bike...


> On Aug 26, 2019, at 17:00, Ahmed Elgasseir  wrote:
> 
> Custom MUSA (made in the USA) Rivendell road bike. 
> 59cm frame 700c with all high end components. Super light and in perfect 
> condition. Built to last forever. Chris King headset, new Nitto bars and 
> Nitto seatpost, new Schwalbe tires, New bartape, etc. Recently repainted, 
> Reborn, and tuned up by Silva Cycles. Basket and front rack included but 
> saddle not included. I’m 5’9” and it fits me fine but ideal for folks just a 
> tad taller. Selling to thin out my herd. $1950 or best offer. No trades, no 
> checks. Cash only. Original paperwork/receipt available. I'm in Redwood City 
> CA.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: #ClemWaiting

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I have no experience with either. Get the Clem. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Aug 19, 2019, at 18:10, PaulS  wrote:
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> Anyone have experience with the Clem L and a Surly Trucker?  I am thinking of 
> replacing my wife's Trucker with a Clem.  It's pertty much used for shorter 
> rides around town and 10-20 mile rides occsionally.
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Re: [RBW] OT: Article about the gift of a red bike

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Awesome article, thanks for sharing. It sent tingles down my back to read of 
how a seemingly insignificant act of kindness years ago continued to have such 
an impact on her throughout her childhood and into her adulthood. That the 
object was a bike makes the story even cooler. Let’s all strive to make such a 
positive influence in other’s lives. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


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> I hope this isn’t too off topic.  
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Re: [RBW] FS Sam hillborne complete

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Price? Pictures?


> On Aug 13, 2019, at 20:56, Travis Music  wrote:
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> Selling my Riv. It has been a great bike and is built to be a bullet proof 
> rig have travelled many miles with it but it time to move on to another bike. 
>  9speed triple front index or friction shifting. Salsa rack. Seat not 
> included. 
> 
> 36 hole velocity wheels with XT hubs 
> Frame is a 56 cm 
> XT front 
> Deore rear 
> Tektro brakes long reach to accommodate big rubber up 700x43
> Schwalbe marathon supreme tires 700x35
> Deda seat post 
> Cane creek brake levers
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Re: [RBW] Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

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Oops, I just realized that I was making a joking reference to a recent thread 
that was on a DIFFERENT google group (iBOB). Boy, do I have egg on my face now. 
Carry on, carry on..

> On Aug 13, 2019, at 09:31, esoterica etc  wrote:
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> Joe, I think a paude is what you do when you finally come to the realization 
> of what FFS means. 
> 
> ~Mark 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Shifting issues on 1st Gen Clementine

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Joe, I think a paude is what you do when you finally come to the realization of 
what FFS means. 

~Mark 


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Re: [RBW] Does anyone have any knobby tire suggestions for a 52 Clem H?

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You didn’t mention what bike/wheel size you’re using, and more than likely 
you’re looking for something wider, but I second the Soma Cazaderos (650b x 
42mmm) on my Atlantis as well. For a mixed terrain tire, it has a surprising 
amount of bite off-road and on singletrack, and rolls really smooth and 
relatively quiet on the road. I’ve only had them for a few months, but they’ll 
definitely be my year-round tires on the Atlantis. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Jul 4, 2019, at 16:11, Brett Callahan  wrote:
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> I absolutely love Schwalbe Thunderburts if your bike will fit them.   Soma's 
> cazaderos also give nice traction with minimal drag.  I leave the caz on my 
> Atlantis year round.  
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Re: [RBW] MIT Atlantis and chain length

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John,

Actually, I bought the frame from a third party, not directly from Riv. I’ve 
had nothing but stellar customer service every time I interact with them, so 
I’d like to think they would give folks who buy frames a heads up on something 
like that. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


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> Mark
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> Wouldn't be nice if RBW told you this when you bought the frame (VBG)??  An 
> informed consumer is the best customer.
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> 
>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 8:19:52 PM UTC-4, esoterica etc wrote:
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>> I came upon this same issue as I’m building up a Clem (with similar 
>> chainstay length to the MIT Atlantis) from just a frame. I contacted Riv to 
>> find out what length of chain was needed, and Will responded that they sell 
>> KMC chain in bulk and can cut you the proper length based on your chainring 
>> and cassette. Seems like the best option- that way you don’t have to worry 
>> about splicing chains or using two master links. Plus, you’ll be supporting 
>> Riv at the same time. Win-win in my book. 
>> 
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh, NC 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 20:06, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
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>> > New school says two masterlinks and Grant's your uncle, but that might 
>> > make me like school in summer? I know the skills of chain pinning, and I 
>> > respect the game, but masterlinks are s easy. 
>> > -Kai 
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