Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne upgrade

[Jason Zakaras]

Thanks everyone!  I have identical twin boys so there is actually two 
helpers wrenching a way, just never captured the "teamwork".  I love that 
they enjoy riding as much as they enjoy wrenching, its so fun sharing the 
love with them! (Ford & Duke)

The color is unknown to me, I asked Rick Stephanit (D) to do a classic 
Burgundy color with cream accents, he ran with it and I think, nailed it.

Thanks for all the kind words, I've really enjoyed gleaning an education on 
all things Riv here on the forum.

Cheers!

Z

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:43:59 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Yeah...love the new color;  what is it? Eggplant comes to mind. That is a 
> very classy upgrade indeed And your son looks like a pro wrenching away on 
> the bottom bracket. Nice
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 10:26:50 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Love it, Z. How’d you pick the colors? What colors are they?
>>
>> Looks better than new. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2022, at 09:21, iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>> Very nice.  I'm slowly restoring my well-used quick beam, trying to 
>> decide on the right shade of brown/red paint too.  Looks great.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:40:38 PM UTC-6 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey All!  I haven't posted much for content here so I thought I'd share 
>>> some before and after shots of my SimpleOne.  I am the third owner and it 
>>> had a hard life to say the least.  I love. that it was well used as all 
>>> Rivendell bikes deserve, but I desired to give it a classy upgrade and 
>>> start my own love marks on the gravel roads here in Nebraska and tours 
>>> around the midwest.  I'm really pleased with how she turned out and I am 
>>> already enjoying the new scuffs and bumps in the new adventures.
>>>
>>> Before:
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52212931663/in/album-72177720300508394/
>>>
>>> After:
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52213400520/in/album-72177720300508394/
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jason, also a pretty simple one
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne upgrade

[Ryan]

Yeah...love the new color;  what is it? Eggplant comes to mind. That is a 
very classy upgrade indeed And your son looks like a pro wrenching away on 
the bottom bracket. Nice

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 10:26:50 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love it, Z. How’d you pick the colors? What colors are they?
>
> Looks better than new. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
> On Jul 20, 2022, at 09:21, iamkeith  wrote:
>
> Very nice.  I'm slowly restoring my well-used quick beam, trying to 
> decide on the right shade of brown/red paint too.  Looks great.
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:40:38 PM UTC-6 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey All!  I haven't posted much for content here so I thought I'd share 
>> some before and after shots of my SimpleOne.  I am the third owner and it 
>> had a hard life to say the least.  I love. that it was well used as all 
>> Rivendell bikes deserve, but I desired to give it a classy upgrade and 
>> start my own love marks on the gravel roads here in Nebraska and tours 
>> around the midwest.  I'm really pleased with how she turned out and I am 
>> already enjoying the new scuffs and bumps in the new adventures.
>>
>> Before:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52212931663/in/album-72177720300508394/
>>
>> After:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52213400520/in/album-72177720300508394/
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jason, also a pretty simple one
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne upgrade

[amillhench]

Love it, Z. How’d you pick the colors? What colors are they?

Looks better than new. 

Best,

Aaron in El Paso

On Jul 20, 2022, at 09:21, iamkeith  wrote:

Very nice.  I'm slowly restoring my well-used quick beam, trying to decide on 
the right shade of brown/red paint too.  Looks great.

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:40:38 PM UTC-6 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hey All!  I haven't posted much for content here so I thought I'd share some 
> before and after shots of my SimpleOne.  I am the third owner and it had a 
> hard life to say the least.  I love. that it was well used as all Rivendell 
> bikes deserve, but I desired to give it a classy upgrade and start my own 
> love marks on the gravel roads here in Nebraska and tours around the midwest. 
>  I'm really pleased with how she turned out and I am already enjoying the new 
> scuffs and bumps in the new adventures.
> 
> Before:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52212931663/in/album-72177720300508394/
> 
> After:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52213400520/in/album-72177720300508394/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jason, also a pretty simple one

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne upgrade

[iamkeith]

Very nice.  I'm slowly restoring my well-used quick beam, trying to decide 
on the right shade of brown/red paint too.  Looks great.

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:40:38 PM UTC-6 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey All!  I haven't posted much for content here so I thought I'd share 
> some before and after shots of my SimpleOne.  I am the third owner and it 
> had a hard life to say the least.  I love. that it was well used as all 
> Rivendell bikes deserve, but I desired to give it a classy upgrade and 
> start my own love marks on the gravel roads here in Nebraska and tours 
> around the midwest.  I'm really pleased with how she turned out and I am 
> already enjoying the new scuffs and bumps in the new adventures.
>
> Before:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52212931663/in/album-72177720300508394/
>
> After:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52213400520/in/album-72177720300508394/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jason, also a pretty simple one
>

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne upgrade

[Will M]

Well done.  I particularly enjoy the images of the young boy wrenching the 
bike.  I have a son about the same age who helped me wrench the SimpleOne's 
older brother, the Quickbeam.  --Will 

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 9:53:23 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:

> BOY HOWDY
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:40:38 PM UTC-4 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey All!  I haven't posted much for content here so I thought I'd share 
>> some before and after shots of my SimpleOne.  I am the third owner and it 
>> had a hard life to say the least.  I love. that it was well used as all 
>> Rivendell bikes deserve, but I desired to give it a classy upgrade and 
>> start my own love marks on the gravel roads here in Nebraska and tours 
>> around the midwest.  I'm really pleased with how she turned out and I am 
>> already enjoying the new scuffs and bumps in the new adventures.
>>
>> Before:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52212931663/in/album-72177720300508394/
>>
>> After:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52213400520/in/album-72177720300508394/
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jason, also a pretty simple one
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne upgrade

[Patch T]

BOY HOWDY
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:40:38 PM UTC-4 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey All!  I haven't posted much for content here so I thought I'd share 
> some before and after shots of my SimpleOne.  I am the third owner and it 
> had a hard life to say the least.  I love. that it was well used as all 
> Rivendell bikes deserve, but I desired to give it a classy upgrade and 
> start my own love marks on the gravel roads here in Nebraska and tours 
> around the midwest.  I'm really pleased with how she turned out and I am 
> already enjoying the new scuffs and bumps in the new adventures.
>
> Before:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52212931663/in/album-72177720300508394/
>
> After:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52213400520/in/album-72177720300508394/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jason, also a pretty simple one
>

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne/Quickbeam sizing question

[Todd Ferguson]

I'm 6'0" have an 87.5 PBH and enjoy a 62 Quickbeam for riding upright 
around NY.

On Monday, May 11, 2020 at 2:31:59 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Well, Spencer, it is, kinda. For boiled wool. Grin. 
> https://www.sweaterchalet.com/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, May 11, 2020 at 7:45:00 AM UTC-6, spencer robinson wrote:
>>
>> That is a Great Photo!! should be in the catalog 
>>
>> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 12:24:54 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a photo of me QB in action.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6884.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 9:47:50 AM UTC-6, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
>>> Haus Bicycles wrote:

 I like your style, Deacon.  I'm an 89 pbh and I think I'm aiming at a 
 64 or 65 C-T frame ideallylooks like the Simple One topped out at 
 62

 On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 11:37:56 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I like a larger frame in the pre-long chain stay bikes. My PBH is 90, 
> my QB is 66, and I love how it rides with bullmoose bars as a fixed cross 
> bike.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>


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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne/Quickbeam sizing question

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, Spencer, it is, kinda. For boiled wool. Grin. 
https://www.sweaterchalet.com/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 11, 2020 at 7:45:00 AM UTC-6, spencer robinson wrote:
>
> That is a Great Photo!! should be in the catalog 
>
> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 12:24:54 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Here's a photo of me QB in action.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> [image: IMG_6884.JPG]
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 9:47:50 AM UTC-6, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
>> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>>
>>> I like your style, Deacon.  I'm an 89 pbh and I think I'm aiming at a 64 
>>> or 65 C-T frame ideallylooks like the Simple One topped out at 62
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 11:37:56 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I like a larger frame in the pre-long chain stay bikes. My PBH is 90, 
 my QB is 66, and I love how it rides with bullmoose bars as a fixed cross 
 bike.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

>>>

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne/Quickbeam sizing question

[spencer robinson]

That is a Great Photo!! should be in the catalog 

On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 12:24:54 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Here's a photo of me QB in action.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> [image: IMG_6884.JPG]
>
>
> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 9:47:50 AM UTC-6, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>> I like your style, Deacon.  I'm an 89 pbh and I think I'm aiming at a 64 
>> or 65 C-T frame ideallylooks like the Simple One topped out at 62
>>
>> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 11:37:56 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> I like a larger frame in the pre-long chain stay bikes. My PBH is 90, my 
>>> QB is 66, and I love how it rides with bullmoose bars as a fixed cross bike.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne/Quickbeam sizing question

[Wally Estrella]

6'-3", 92PBI straddling a 64QB w/ 42 tires on it.

On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 10:19:03 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Does anybody have the sizing options sorted/readily available for the 
> Simple Ones & Quickbeams?
>
> I've got a 60 but I'm really enjoying sizing my bikes UP, standover be 
> damnedcurious how they did the sizing on the larger sizes.
>
> Assuming that Riv's sizing is center to top for these...
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Alex in Rochester
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne/Quickbeam sizing question

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Max! I’ve had mine for yearsbut let me know if you want to got to a 60I 
may have a line on a 64 QB 爛

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne/Quickbeam sizing question

[christian poppell]

I’m 5’-11 3/4” with 90 cm pbh and a 64 cm Quickbeam.  The 64 seems like the max 
size for me. Currently set up with 48cm noodle bars level to saddle (78.5 cm 
saddle height).

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne/Quickbeam sizing question

[Max S]

Alex, did you grab that 60cm chassis+ that was listed a week ago?.. I kinda 
wanted it, but looks like I may end up with a 62 instead. I’ve a 89 PBH, so am 
often right on the bubble with Riv bikes. Once the 62 is here, I’ll see if I 
should attempt a trade for a 60. 

- Max “funny thing” in A2 

On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 10:19:03 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus 
Bicycles wrote:
> Does anybody have the sizing options sorted/readily available for the Simple 
> Ones & Quickbeams?
> 
> 
> I've got a 60 but I'm really enjoying sizing my bikes UP, standover be 
> damnedcurious how they did the sizing on the larger sizes.
> 
> 
> Assuming that Riv's sizing is center to top for these...
> 
> 
> Thanks all!
> 
> 
> Alex in Rochester

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne/Quickbeam sizing question

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

I like your style, Deacon.  I'm an 89 pbh and I think I'm aiming at a 64 or 
65 C-T frame ideallylooks like the Simple One topped out at 62

On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 11:37:56 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I like a larger frame in the pre-long chain stay bikes. My PBH is 90, my 
> QB is 66, and I love how it rides with bullmoose bars as a fixed cross bike.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne/Quickbeam sizing question

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I like a larger frame in the pre-long chain stay bikes. My PBH is 90, my QB 
is 66, and I love how it rides with bullmoose bars as a fixed cross bike.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne - amazing web special deal!

[JohnS]

That didn't long!

JohnS

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 4:07:34 PM UTC-4, Ash [who works to bike] 
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>
> Wish I was taller!
>

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne - amazing web special deal!

[Will Ashe]

The Simple One was sold. 

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne - amazing web special deal!

[Bill Lindsay]

...and the link to a web special complete, used 60cm Simple one for $1200 
is here:

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-framesets-and-bicycles/products/60cm-simpleone-complete-bike-used-web-special

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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> Wish I was taller!
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[oceanofsound]

It's been working out quite well. I currently have a 48x18 drivetrain which 
is more than adequate 95% of the time. When heavily loaded down and 
climbing hills steeper than a 10% grade 
(http://www.strava.com/segments/609531) I occasionally long for something a 
little lower, but the plan was always to keep the bike as a commuter and 
only do overnights with it, not to tour. The hub itself has been rock 
solid. Changed the oil once, and brought it back to Cycle Monkey once to 
deal with a leak - apparently a seal had failed, but it was covered under 
warranty. 

At one point I had a Grand Bois Cypres tire on the rear which was not a 
great idea. Way too many flats. Changing a rear tire flat with a Rohloff 
takes me 25 min. at best so I switched to a Pasela PT and that basically 
fixed the problem. 

On Monday, July 21, 2014 12:12:44 PM UTC-7, BSWP wrote:

 Say, after 10 months, how's the Rohloff/SO combo working out? I'm thinking 
 about my next frame, and how to gear it...

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 On Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:39:41 PM UTC-7, oceano...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 For a little more context, I live at the top of 84 in Woodside and I 
 commute to work everyday (was Palo Alto, now Redwood City). This SimpleOne 
 was my first Rivendell, but when I moved to Woodside I largely stopped 
 riding it and purchased an Atlantis. A single speed in the mountains isn't 
 exactly the greatest commuting option. I biked up Old La Honda once, it 
 wasn't terribly fun. Back in early August I messed up the fork of my 
 Atlantis so I needed a way to continue commuting. Given that I live in a 
 tiny place, buying a third bike wasn't really enticing. This SimpleOne has 
 lots of sentimental value at this point so selling it never really crossed 
 my mind. I had been intrigued with a Rohloff conversion for quite some time 
 though, and this was the perfect opportunity to try it. The past few weeks 
 have been really great, plus I noticed my commute times have improved by 
 2-3 minutes. For what it's worth, my SimpleOne has a wider gearing range 
 than my Atlantis. Crazy. Anyway, I won't be going back to a single speed 
 anytime soon, that's for sure. 

 - Geoff

 On Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:23:14 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 the cold-set itself is only 1/3-inch on each side - the trick to it is 
 keeping the alignment.  Great-looking bikes and I'm jealous - thanks for 
 showing them.  

 On Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:56:43 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 First, congratulations; that's an ambitious mod.  The basic concept is 
 cool (i.e. being able to switch between single-speed and internal-geared), 
 except cold-setting a 120mm spaced-frame to 135mm to me is pretty extreme. 
 A big part of the appeal of the S1/QB is that it IS a single speed and it 
 has 120mm rear spacing.  If you want gears (let alone a 14-speed Rohloff), 
 why are you starting with a 120mm SS frame and (forever) altering its 
 genetic structure? And how can you ever go back to SS (in good conscience) 
 as a 135mm-spaced SS???  Besides, there are other gearing options without 
 having to cold set.  For example, you can get creative with a dual-speed 
 freewheel and double crankset to at least stretch your SS into a 4-speed. 
  Or you can choose a 126mm internal-geared hub (like a SRAM/Spectro P5 or 
 S7; granted not a Rohloff, but a nice durable hub).  I use a Patterson 
 2-speed crankset which extends my S1 to climb moderate hills. Add an S7 
 hub, and you've got formidable gear range.

 OK, blah blah blah... fact remains you've already created a Simple-14.. 
 at the very least that's audacious, diabolical and totally Frankenbikish, 
 worthy of props... so I'll give that a big Dr Evil MBWAAAHH!!!

 Peace,
 BB



 On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:55:53 PM UTC-4, Daniel Molloy wrote:

 Hi group,

 I thought I would share this Rohloff conversion we just finished at 
 Cycle Monkey. As a former Rivendell employee and current Rohloff user I'm 
 a 
 little biased, but I think it turned out great. We cold-set the rear 
 triangle without any problems. Alex Wetmore converted his Quickbeam to a 
 Rohloff a while back, but there doesn't seem to be much info online about 
 it anymore. Fair Disclosure: I currently work at Cycle Monkey, and am 
 only 
 posting here since I believe it counts as relevant and interesting Riv 
 Content.


 http://cyclemonkeylab.blogspot.com/2013/09/rivendell-simpleone-rohloff-speedhub.html

 Thanks!



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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[BSWP]

Say, after 10 months, how's the Rohloff/SO combo working out? I'm thinking 
about my next frame, and how to gear it...

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:39:41 PM UTC-7, oceano...@gmail.com wrote:

 For a little more context, I live at the top of 84 in Woodside and I 
 commute to work everyday (was Palo Alto, now Redwood City). This SimpleOne 
 was my first Rivendell, but when I moved to Woodside I largely stopped 
 riding it and purchased an Atlantis. A single speed in the mountains isn't 
 exactly the greatest commuting option. I biked up Old La Honda once, it 
 wasn't terribly fun. Back in early August I messed up the fork of my 
 Atlantis so I needed a way to continue commuting. Given that I live in a 
 tiny place, buying a third bike wasn't really enticing. This SimpleOne has 
 lots of sentimental value at this point so selling it never really crossed 
 my mind. I had been intrigued with a Rohloff conversion for quite some time 
 though, and this was the perfect opportunity to try it. The past few weeks 
 have been really great, plus I noticed my commute times have improved by 
 2-3 minutes. For what it's worth, my SimpleOne has a wider gearing range 
 than my Atlantis. Crazy. Anyway, I won't be going back to a single speed 
 anytime soon, that's for sure. 

 - Geoff

 On Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:23:14 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 the cold-set itself is only 1/3-inch on each side - the trick to it is 
 keeping the alignment.  Great-looking bikes and I'm jealous - thanks for 
 showing them.  

 On Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:56:43 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 First, congratulations; that's an ambitious mod.  The basic concept is 
 cool (i.e. being able to switch between single-speed and internal-geared), 
 except cold-setting a 120mm spaced-frame to 135mm to me is pretty extreme. 
 A big part of the appeal of the S1/QB is that it IS a single speed and it 
 has 120mm rear spacing.  If you want gears (let alone a 14-speed Rohloff), 
 why are you starting with a 120mm SS frame and (forever) altering its 
 genetic structure? And how can you ever go back to SS (in good conscience) 
 as a 135mm-spaced SS???  Besides, there are other gearing options without 
 having to cold set.  For example, you can get creative with a dual-speed 
 freewheel and double crankset to at least stretch your SS into a 4-speed. 
  Or you can choose a 126mm internal-geared hub (like a SRAM/Spectro P5 or 
 S7; granted not a Rohloff, but a nice durable hub).  I use a Patterson 
 2-speed crankset which extends my S1 to climb moderate hills. Add an S7 
 hub, and you've got formidable gear range.

 OK, blah blah blah... fact remains you've already created a Simple-14.. 
 at the very least that's audacious, diabolical and totally Frankenbikish, 
 worthy of props... so I'll give that a big Dr Evil MBWAAAHH!!!

 Peace,
 BB



 On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:55:53 PM UTC-4, Daniel Molloy wrote:

 Hi group,

 I thought I would share this Rohloff conversion we just finished at 
 Cycle Monkey. As a former Rivendell employee and current Rohloff user I'm 
 a 
 little biased, but I think it turned out great. We cold-set the rear 
 triangle without any problems. Alex Wetmore converted his Quickbeam to a 
 Rohloff a while back, but there doesn't seem to be much info online about 
 it anymore. Fair Disclosure: I currently work at Cycle Monkey, and am only 
 posting here since I believe it counts as relevant and interesting Riv 
 Content.


 http://cyclemonkeylab.blogspot.com/2013/09/rivendell-simpleone-rohloff-speedhub.html

 Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[Jim Bronson]

It looked like it was working great when he visited Austin a couple of
months ago and rode a 100K RUSA permanent populaire with about 5 other guys
including myself. Him and another Rivendell rider on a geared custom rode
off the front on the way back from the turnaround.  Although they ended up
behind us slowpokes when they took a wrong turn.  ;)

I took a couple of (bad) pictures of it but it looked like the Rohloff was
meant to be there.


On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 2:12 PM, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote:

 Say, after 10 months, how's the Rohloff/SO combo working out? I'm thinking
 about my next frame, and how to gear it...

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 On Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:39:41 PM UTC-7, oceano...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 For a little more context, I live at the top of 84 in Woodside and I
 commute to work everyday (was Palo Alto, now Redwood City). This SimpleOne
 was my first Rivendell, but when I moved to Woodside I largely stopped
 riding it and purchased an Atlantis. A single speed in the mountains isn't
 exactly the greatest commuting option. I biked up Old La Honda once, it
 wasn't terribly fun. Back in early August I messed up the fork of my
 Atlantis so I needed a way to continue commuting. Given that I live in a
 tiny place, buying a third bike wasn't really enticing. This SimpleOne has
 lots of sentimental value at this point so selling it never really crossed
 my mind. I had been intrigued with a Rohloff conversion for quite some time
 though, and this was the perfect opportunity to try it. The past few weeks
 have been really great, plus I noticed my commute times have improved by
 2-3 minutes. For what it's worth, my SimpleOne has a wider gearing range
 than my Atlantis. Crazy. Anyway, I won't be going back to a single speed
 anytime soon, that's for sure.

 - Geoff

 On Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:23:14 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 the cold-set itself is only 1/3-inch on each side - the trick to it is
 keeping the alignment.  Great-looking bikes and I'm jealous - thanks for
 showing them.

 On Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:56:43 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 First, congratulations; that's an ambitious mod.  The basic concept is
 cool (i.e. being able to switch between single-speed and internal-geared),
 except cold-setting a 120mm spaced-frame to 135mm to me is pretty extreme.
 A big part of the appeal of the S1/QB is that it IS a single speed and it
 has 120mm rear spacing.  If you want gears (let alone a 14-speed Rohloff),
 why are you starting with a 120mm SS frame and (forever) altering its
 genetic structure? And how can you ever go back to SS (in good conscience)
 as a 135mm-spaced SS???  Besides, there are other gearing options without
 having to cold set.  For example, you can get creative with a dual-speed
 freewheel and double crankset to at least stretch your SS into a 4-speed.
  Or you can choose a 126mm internal-geared hub (like a SRAM/Spectro P5 or
 S7; granted not a Rohloff, but a nice durable hub).  I use a Patterson
 2-speed crankset which extends my S1 to climb moderate hills. Add an S7
 hub, and you've got formidable gear range.

 OK, blah blah blah... fact remains you've already created a Simple-14..
 at the very least that's audacious, diabolical and totally Frankenbikish,
 worthy of props... so I'll give that a big Dr Evil MBWAAAHH!!!

 Peace,
 BB



 On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:55:53 PM UTC-4, Daniel Molloy wrote:

 Hi group,

 I thought I would share this Rohloff conversion we just finished at
 Cycle Monkey. As a former Rivendell employee and current Rohloff user I'm 
 a
 little biased, but I think it turned out great. We cold-set the rear
 triangle without any problems. Alex Wetmore converted his Quickbeam to a
 Rohloff a while back, but there doesn't seem to be much info online about
 it anymore. Fair Disclosure: I currently work at Cycle Monkey, and am only
 posting here since I believe it counts as relevant and interesting Riv
 Content.

 http://cyclemonkeylab.blogspot.com/2013/09/
 rivendell-simpleone-rohloff-speedhub.html

 Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

['Hudson Doerge' via RBW Owners Bunch]

i'm a little curious about this set up as well. i love my SO, but as we are 
wont to do, tinkering is never far from thought. though luckily my lacking 
wallet should keep my SO a 1x1 for the foreseeable future.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[oceanofsound]

For a little more context, I live at the top of 84 in Woodside and I 
commute to work everyday (was Palo Alto, now Redwood City). This SimpleOne 
was my first Rivendell, but when I moved to Woodside I largely stopped 
riding it and purchased an Atlantis. A single speed in the mountains isn't 
exactly the greatest commuting option. I biked up Old La Honda once, it 
wasn't terribly fun. Back in early August I messed up the fork of my 
Atlantis so I needed a way to continue commuting. Given that I live in a 
tiny place, buying a third bike wasn't really enticing. This SimpleOne has 
lots of sentimental value at this point so selling it never really crossed 
my mind. I had been intrigued with a Rohloff conversion for quite some time 
though, and this was the perfect opportunity to try it. The past few weeks 
have been really great, plus I noticed my commute times have improved by 
2-3 minutes. For what it's worth, my SimpleOne has a wider gearing range 
than my Atlantis. Crazy. Anyway, I won't be going back to a single speed 
anytime soon, that's for sure. 

- Geoff

On Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:23:14 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 the cold-set itself is only 1/3-inch on each side - the trick to it is 
 keeping the alignment.  Great-looking bikes and I'm jealous - thanks for 
 showing them.  

 On Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:56:43 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 First, congratulations; that's an ambitious mod.  The basic concept is 
 cool (i.e. being able to switch between single-speed and internal-geared), 
 except cold-setting a 120mm spaced-frame to 135mm to me is pretty extreme. 
 A big part of the appeal of the S1/QB is that it IS a single speed and it 
 has 120mm rear spacing.  If you want gears (let alone a 14-speed Rohloff), 
 why are you starting with a 120mm SS frame and (forever) altering its 
 genetic structure? And how can you ever go back to SS (in good conscience) 
 as a 135mm-spaced SS???  Besides, there are other gearing options without 
 having to cold set.  For example, you can get creative with a dual-speed 
 freewheel and double crankset to at least stretch your SS into a 4-speed. 
  Or you can choose a 126mm internal-geared hub (like a SRAM/Spectro P5 or 
 S7; granted not a Rohloff, but a nice durable hub).  I use a Patterson 
 2-speed crankset which extends my S1 to climb moderate hills. Add an S7 
 hub, and you've got formidable gear range.

 OK, blah blah blah... fact remains you've already created a Simple-14.. 
 at the very least that's audacious, diabolical and totally Frankenbikish, 
 worthy of props... so I'll give that a big Dr Evil MBWAAAHH!!!

 Peace,
 BB



 On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:55:53 PM UTC-4, Daniel Molloy wrote:

 Hi group,

 I thought I would share this Rohloff conversion we just finished at 
 Cycle Monkey. As a former Rivendell employee and current Rohloff user I'm a 
 little biased, but I think it turned out great. We cold-set the rear 
 triangle without any problems. Alex Wetmore converted his Quickbeam to a 
 Rohloff a while back, but there doesn't seem to be much info online about 
 it anymore. Fair Disclosure: I currently work at Cycle Monkey, and am only 
 posting here since I believe it counts as relevant and interesting Riv 
 Content.


 http://cyclemonkeylab.blogspot.com/2013/09/rivendell-simpleone-rohloff-speedhub.html

 Thanks!



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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[hobie]

Could also set it to 132.5mm
On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:55:53 PM UTC-4, Daniel Molloy wrote:

 Hi group,

 I thought I would share this Rohloff conversion we just finished at Cycle 
 Monkey. As a former Rivendell employee and current Rohloff user I'm a 
 little biased, but I think it turned out great. We cold-set the rear 
 triangle without any problems. Alex Wetmore converted his Quickbeam to a 
 Rohloff a while back, but there doesn't seem to be much info online about 
 it anymore. Fair Disclosure: I currently work at Cycle Monkey, and am only 
 posting here since I believe it counts as relevant and interesting Riv 
 Content.


 http://cyclemonkeylab.blogspot.com/2013/09/rivendell-simpleone-rohloff-speedhub.html

 Thanks!


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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[Ron Mc]

the cold-set itself is only 1/3-inch on each side - the trick to it is 
keeping the alignment.  Great-looking bikes and I'm jealous - thanks for 
showing them.  

On Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:56:43 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 First, congratulations; that's an ambitious mod.  The basic concept is 
 cool (i.e. being able to switch between single-speed and internal-geared), 
 except cold-setting a 120mm spaced-frame to 135mm to me is pretty extreme. 
 A big part of the appeal of the S1/QB is that it IS a single speed and it 
 has 120mm rear spacing.  If you want gears (let alone a 14-speed Rohloff), 
 why are you starting with a 120mm SS frame and (forever) altering its 
 genetic structure? And how can you ever go back to SS (in good conscience) 
 as a 135mm-spaced SS???  Besides, there are other gearing options without 
 having to cold set.  For example, you can get creative with a dual-speed 
 freewheel and double crankset to at least stretch your SS into a 4-speed. 
  Or you can choose a 126mm internal-geared hub (like a SRAM/Spectro P5 or 
 S7; granted not a Rohloff, but a nice durable hub).  I use a Patterson 
 2-speed crankset which extends my S1 to climb moderate hills. Add an S7 
 hub, and you've got formidable gear range.

 OK, blah blah blah... fact remains you've already created a Simple-14.. at 
 the very least that's audacious, diabolical and totally Frankenbikish, 
 worthy of props... so I'll give that a big Dr Evil MBWAAAHH!!!

 Peace,
 BB



 On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:55:53 PM UTC-4, Daniel Molloy wrote:

 Hi group,

 I thought I would share this Rohloff conversion we just finished at Cycle 
 Monkey. As a former Rivendell employee and current Rohloff user I'm a 
 little biased, but I think it turned out great. We cold-set the rear 
 triangle without any problems. Alex Wetmore converted his Quickbeam to a 
 Rohloff a while back, but there doesn't seem to be much info online about 
 it anymore. Fair Disclosure: I currently work at Cycle Monkey, and am only 
 posting here since I believe it counts as relevant and interesting Riv 
 Content.


 http://cyclemonkeylab.blogspot.com/2013/09/rivendell-simpleone-rohloff-speedhub.html

 Thanks!



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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[Montclair BobbyB]

First, congratulations; that's an ambitious mod.  The basic concept is cool 
(i.e. being able to switch between single-speed and internal-geared), 
except cold-setting a 120mm spaced-frame to 135mm to me is pretty extreme. 
A big part of the appeal of the S1/QB is that it IS a single speed and it 
has 120mm rear spacing.  If you want gears (let alone a 14-speed Rohloff), 
why are you starting with a 120mm SS frame and (forever) altering its 
genetic structure? And how can you ever go back to SS (in good conscience) 
as a 135mm-spaced SS???  Besides, there are other gearing options without 
having to cold set.  For example, you can get creative with a dual-speed 
freewheel and double crankset to at least stretch your SS into a 4-speed. 
 Or you can choose a 126mm internal-geared hub (like a SRAM/Spectro P5 or 
S7; granted not a Rohloff, but a nice durable hub).  I use a Patterson 
2-speed crankset which extends my S1 to climb moderate hills. Add an S7 
hub, and you've got formidable gear range.

OK, blah blah blah... fact remains you've already created a Simple-14.. at 
the very least that's audacious, diabolical and totally Frankenbikish, 
worthy of props... so I'll give that a big Dr Evil MBWAAAHH!!!

Peace,
BB



On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:55:53 PM UTC-4, Daniel Molloy wrote:

 Hi group,

 I thought I would share this Rohloff conversion we just finished at Cycle 
 Monkey. As a former Rivendell employee and current Rohloff user I'm a 
 little biased, but I think it turned out great. We cold-set the rear 
 triangle without any problems. Alex Wetmore converted his Quickbeam to a 
 Rohloff a while back, but there doesn't seem to be much info online about 
 it anymore. Fair Disclosure: I currently work at Cycle Monkey, and am only 
 posting here since I believe it counts as relevant and interesting Riv 
 Content.


 http://cyclemonkeylab.blogspot.com/2013/09/rivendell-simpleone-rohloff-speedhub.html

 Thanks!


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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[Eric Platt]

Another one who is totally jealous.  There is now an out if I ever get
bored with my current setup on the SimpleOne.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 the cold-set itself is only 1/3-inch on each side - the trick to it is
 keeping the alignment.  Great-looking bikes and I'm jealous - thanks for
 showing them.


 On Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:56:43 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 First, congratulations; that's an ambitious mod.  The basic concept is
 cool (i.e. being able to switch between single-speed and internal-geared),
 except cold-setting a 120mm spaced-frame to 135mm to me is pretty extreme.
 A big part of the appeal of the S1/QB is that it IS a single speed and it
 has 120mm rear spacing.  If you want gears (let alone a 14-speed Rohloff),
 why are you starting with a 120mm SS frame and (forever) altering its
 genetic structure? And how can you ever go back to SS (in good conscience)
 as a 135mm-spaced SS???  Besides, there are other gearing options without
 having to cold set.  For example, you can get creative with a dual-speed
 freewheel and double crankset to at least stretch your SS into a 4-speed.
  Or you can choose a 126mm internal-geared hub (like a SRAM/Spectro P5 or
 S7; granted not a Rohloff, but a nice durable hub).  I use a Patterson
 2-speed crankset which extends my S1 to climb moderate hills. Add an S7
 hub, and you've got formidable gear range.

 OK, blah blah blah... fact remains you've already created a Simple-14..
 at the very least that's audacious, diabolical and totally Frankenbikish,
 worthy of props... so I'll give that a big Dr Evil MBWAAAHH!!!

 Peace,
 BB



 On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:55:53 PM UTC-4, Daniel Molloy wrote:

 Hi group,

 I thought I would share this Rohloff conversion we just finished at
 Cycle Monkey. As a former Rivendell employee and current Rohloff user I'm a
 little biased, but I think it turned out great. We cold-set the rear
 triangle without any problems. Alex Wetmore converted his Quickbeam to a
 Rohloff a while back, but there doesn't seem to be much info online about
 it anymore. Fair Disclosure: I currently work at Cycle Monkey, and am only
 posting here since I believe it counts as relevant and interesting Riv
 Content.

 http://cyclemonkeylab.**blogspot.com/2013/09/**
 rivendell-simpleone-rohloff-**speedhub.htmlhttp://cyclemonkeylab.blogspot.com/2013/09/rivendell-simpleone-rohloff-speedhub.html

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[Tom Harrop]

That's great.

Did bending the rear triangle from 120 mm to 135 mm spacing on such a nice 
bike make you anxious at all?

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[blakcloud]

That is very interesting. I am sure your customer will be really happy.

I just have one question. (Apologies if this gets answered before my 
question gets posted). Why did  you run the cable along the top tube rather 
than the way you did on the Sam Hillborne? The Quickbeam does not look as 
elegant. 


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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[Daniel Molloy]

Although we've cold set many steel bikes before, 120mm to 135mm is a pretty 
big jump. Fortunately, steel is quite malleable and forgiving as we all 
know. According to the mechanic who completed the cold setting, the process 
went quite smoothly. We made sure to check everything several times during 
the procedure. The dropouts ended up aligned with no problems.

On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 3:34:29 PM UTC-7, Tom Harrop wrote:

 That's great.

 Did bending the rear triangle from 120 mm to 135 mm spacing on such a nice 
 bike make you anxious at all?


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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[Daniel Molloy]

On the Sam 
Hillbornehttp://cyclemonkeylab.blogspot.com/2012/11/rohloff-equipped-rivendell-sam-hillborne.html#more,
 
the customer wanted a SPEEDHUB with an external gearbox that features full 
length shift housing, allowing routing under the chainstays and downtube. 
 With this SimpleOne, the customer wanted a SPEEDHUB with an internal 
shiftbox, due to a slight weight and cost savings, so we used the 
cantilever brake post to anchor the shift cables and ran the housing along 
the top tube.  Both methods function the same, it's simply a matter of 
personal preference for the cable routing.

On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 3:50:35 PM UTC-7, blakcloud wrote:

 That is very interesting. I am sure your customer will be really happy.

 I just have one question. (Apologies if this gets answered before my 
 question gets posted). Why did  you run the cable along the top tube rather 
 than the way you did on the Sam Hillborne? The Quickbeam does not look as 
 elegant. 




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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[blakcloud]

Thanks Daniel for your answer. I didn't know there was internal and 
external shift/gearbox difference in the hubs. I take back my response as 
not being as elegant! I guess it is nice to have choices. Nice job on both 
bikes. 

On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 7:26:28 PM UTC-4, Daniel Molloy wrote:

 On the Sam 
 Hillbornehttp://cyclemonkeylab.blogspot.com/2012/11/rohloff-equipped-rivendell-sam-hillborne.html#more,
  
 the customer wanted a SPEEDHUB with an external gearbox that features full 
 length shift housing, allowing routing under the chainstays and downtube. 
  With this SimpleOne, the customer wanted a SPEEDHUB with an internal 
 shiftbox, due to a slight weight and cost savings, so we used the 
 cantilever brake post to anchor the shift cables and ran the housing along 
 the top tube.  Both methods function the same, it's simply a matter of 
 personal preference for the cable routing.

 On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 3:50:35 PM UTC-7, blakcloud wrote:

 That is very interesting. I am sure your customer will be really happy.

 I just have one question. (Apologies if this gets answered before my 
 question gets posted). Why did  you run the cable along the top tube rather 
 than the way you did on the Sam Hillborne? The Quickbeam does not look as 
 elegant. 




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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne and 700x40 Supremes

[dougP]

Charlie:

If you like 65 psi, just for fun try dropping the pressure even further.  
On my Atlantis, I run  50 front / 60 rear for unloaded riding and another 
10 psi for panniers.  They start to feel mushy in the 35-40 psi range but 
it takes several weeks for them to drop that far.  

dougP

On Saturday, May 25, 2013 5:31:28 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote:

 Finally mounted some 700x40 (37.5 actual) on my SimpleOne and wow ! at 65 
 psi its like riding on marshmallows, cushy and fast plus good flat 
 protection..this change has brought new life to the bike and I look 
 forward to installing the 22 tooth freewheel on the flip side for climbing 
 goodness.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne and 700x40 Supremes

[charlie]

Yea I think could get away with 55-60 but probably would need a 40+ tire 
for that as I weigh 260+ pounds. Crapjust weighed myself too and was 
down to 255 three months ago but messed up my lower back and hip lifting 
heavy logs so I haven't been too active and am having difficulty riding.

On Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:44:04 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Charlie:

 If you like 65 psi, just for fun try dropping the pressure even further.  
 On my Atlantis, I run  50 front / 60 rear for unloaded riding and another 
 10 psi for panniers.  They start to feel mushy in the 35-40 psi range but 
 it takes several weeks for them to drop that far.  

 dougP

 On Saturday, May 25, 2013 5:31:28 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote:

 Finally mounted some 700x40 (37.5 actual) on my SimpleOne and wow ! at 65 
 psi its like riding on marshmallows, cushy and fast plus good flat 
 protection..this change has brought new life to the bike and I look 
 forward to installing the 22 tooth freewheel on the flip side for climbing 
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne and 700x40 Supremes

[dougP]

Yes, a bit more pressure may be better for you.  I'm usually around 175.  
That's an important consideration.  The tire pressure vs weight chart is a 
good place to start.  

dougP

On Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:42:06 AM UTC-7, charlie wrote:

 Yea I think could get away with 55-60 but probably would need a 40+ tire 
 for that as I weigh 260+ pounds. Crapjust weighed myself too and was 
 down to 255 three months ago but messed up my lower back and hip lifting 
 heavy logs so I haven't been too active and am having difficulty riding.

 On Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:44:04 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Charlie:

 If you like 65 psi, just for fun try dropping the pressure even further.  
 On my Atlantis, I run  50 front / 60 rear for unloaded riding and another 
 10 psi for panniers.  They start to feel mushy in the 35-40 psi range but 
 it takes several weeks for them to drop that far.  

 dougP

 On Saturday, May 25, 2013 5:31:28 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote:

 Finally mounted some 700x40 (37.5 actual) on my SimpleOne and wow ! at 
 65 psi its like riding on marshmallows, cushy and fast plus good flat 
 protection..this change has brought new life to the bike and I look 
 forward to installing the 22 tooth freewheel on the flip side for climbing 
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne featured in Bike Winter Fashion Show (Chicago, March 15, 2013)

[Montclair BobbyB]

Great stuff!!

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:31:02 AM UTC-4, lexm wrote:

 Shameless self promotion: It's mine.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbondsv/8576563522/


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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Frameset Deal at RivBike

[Jim]

I cannot find it on the web site. Where is it? Jim D. 
 Massachusetts

On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:10:20 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Someone needs to jump on this one... A 56cm S1 on sale at Riv...

 This is a deal... 


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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Frameset Deal at RivBike

[Tony Lockhart]

Probably soldI was going to call them up on Monday to see about 
purchasing it with a custom color. Oh well.




On Friday, November 23, 2012 12:39:54 PM UTC-8, Jim wrote:

 I cannot find it on the web site. Where is it? Jim D. 
  Massachusetts

 On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:10:20 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Someone needs to jump on this one... A 56cm S1 on sale at Riv...

 This is a deal... 



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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Frameset Deal at RivBike

[Trevor saxton]

I was the original owner who sent it back and got a quick replacement (awesome 
service) I was tempted to purchase again to resolve the is my Simpleone best 
as a roadie or as a commuter?  question that racks my brain weekly, having two 
would have allowed me to have two different set ups and saved me the endless 
hours i seem to spend reconfiguring minemind you I do love doing that

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Frameset Deal at RivBike

[Joe Bernard]

Grant's Bosco prototype, too. A complete bike for $2900. I want it, but I 
think it's a litte too big for me. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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 Someone needs to jump on this one... A 56cm S1 on sale at Riv...

 This is a deal... 


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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne - Midnight Bliss...

[Montclair BobbyB]

Here's a first photo:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16461051@N04/7854475750/in/photostream

This thing pedals SO quietly, I'm able to sneak up on deer...  I rode it 
for a few miles tonight on the crushed stone path along the Delaware River 
south of Lambertville/New Hope... I didn't want to stop, but ran out of 
light and had to turn back.  (Need to install those lights TONIGHT)

BB

On Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:29:06 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 John: beside basically sound knees to begin with, climbing hills in 
 relatively high gears is largely a matter of (1) habituation, (2) 
 position -- rearward saddle position promoting low cadence, high 
 torque pedaling, and (3) technique -- knowing when your knees require 
 you to stand, knowing how to pace yourself so that you have energy to 
 stand for a given length and incline of hill. 

 I've been amazed at how easy it is to climb longish (~1 mile) hills in 
 even a 75 gear when you keep your cadence very low. When I ride with 
 my brother on longish hills, he on a derailleur bike and I on a fixed 
 gear, I often have to keep backing off to avoid running into him. (I 
 let him set the pace since I am psychologically unable to set as slow 
 a pace as he can be comfortable with.) 

 (For the record: when my brother is in shape, as he is now, the pace 
 will pick up; but he still is far, far more sedate than I am.) 

 On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:58 AM, lungimsam john1...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote: 
  I know the feeling of midnight rides. 
  
  Once I breezed around with a new lighting sysem on. It was amazing to 
 ride 
  at night. So quiet and barely cars!! Only the whirring of the tires on 
  pavement. 
  
  
  Single speed would be cool to have, but my knees would be destroyed in 
 no 
  time. 
  You guys must have knees of iron. I don't know how you do it. 
  
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne - Midnight Bliss...

[David Spranger]

I know the feeling. I love my SimpleOne. Still today, after 4 or so 
thousand miles on it, I have to force myself into some sort of bicycle 
rotation to get commute time on my other bikes.

David Spranger
Charlotte, NC

On Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:01:48 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 I realize I should know better, but I'm sure we all do it... you've got a 
 half-built bike with marginally-functioning components, and only the bare 
 minimum to turn the pedals and power it, yet you insist on riding it out 
 around your neighborhood in the middle of the night, just because you've 
 gotten it to that critical stage.  I had just finished building my set of 
 wheels, and I cobbled together enough components to form a SS drivetrain 
 for my SimpleOne.  I added a brand new Brooks Champion Flyer seat, bare 
 metal Riv/Nitto Bullmoose bars (150mm) with no grips or brakes and a set of 
 platform pedals...  Then I spent a blissful (if not totally dangerous) 30 
 minutes (around midnight) just zipping around my cul-de-sac with no brakes, 
 marveling at the speed and agility of this bike... At one point I was 
 enjoying myself so much I almost headed out of my hood, but then remembered 
 I have no brakes with a SS freewheel ... DOH!!!

 I felt a little like Paul Newman riding that skinny bike in Butch 
 Cassidy... (I still can't get that BJ Thomas song out of my head today)... 
 Tonight, I add brakes!!!




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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne - Midnight Bliss...

[lungimsam]

 I know the feeling of midnight rides.

Once I breezed around with a new lighting sysem on. It was amazing to ride 
at night. So quiet and barely cars!! Only the whirring of the tires on 
pavement.
 

 Single speed would be cool to have, but my knees would be destroyed in no 
 time.
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne - Midnight Bliss...

[David Spranger]

Don't know about knees of steel. Mine is a two speed set up with a low gear 
of about 60 gear inches and a high of about 82. Good enough for most of the 
hills around here.

David
Charlotte, NC

On Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:58:42 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 I know the feeling of midnight rides.

 Once I breezed around with a new lighting sysem on. It was amazing to ride 
 at night. So quiet and barely cars!! Only the whirring of the tires on 
 pavement.
  

 Single speed would be cool to have, but my knees would be destroyed in no 
 time.
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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne - Midnight Bliss...

[PATRICK MOORE]

John: beside basically sound knees to begin with, climbing hills in
relatively high gears is largely a matter of (1) habituation, (2)
position -- rearward saddle position promoting low cadence, high
torque pedaling, and (3) technique -- knowing when your knees require
you to stand, knowing how to pace yourself so that you have energy to
stand for a given length and incline of hill.

I've been amazed at how easy it is to climb longish (~1 mile) hills in
even a 75 gear when you keep your cadence very low. When I ride with
my brother on longish hills, he on a derailleur bike and I on a fixed
gear, I often have to keep backing off to avoid running into him. (I
let him set the pace since I am psychologically unable to set as slow
a pace as he can be comfortable with.)

(For the record: when my brother is in shape, as he is now, the pace
will pick up; but he still is far, far more sedate than I am.)

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:58 AM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know the feeling of midnight rides.

 Once I breezed around with a new lighting sysem on. It was amazing to ride
 at night. So quiet and barely cars!! Only the whirring of the tires on
 pavement.


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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne two week reflections

[Peter Pesce]

That bike looks just perfect! Enjoy.

On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:31:46 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:

 Simple answer - me like!  A lot.  It really does seem to disappear 
 underneath while riding.  Took it out for a 40 mile ride last Sunday, with 
 a few on gravel roads.  Pretty sure I was faster over the gravel than I had 
 been last year on the Hillborne.  Sure, a lot of it is the new bike smell 
 - I like something therefore it rides better.  Purely psychological.  But 
 at this point, am not going to complain.
  
 Photo from that ride -
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/7126464935/ 
  
 Still need a Nitto rack for the back, but one is on the way from New York 
 via eBay.  Not sure I want to change anything else.  But who knows.  Only 
 275 miles on it so far.  Maybe in a month or so something will seem 
 obvious.  
  
 Guess it's a nice way to say glad I decided to purchase the bike.  
  
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[newenglandbike]

Now and then on hills I'll just get off and walk, which I like doing 
actually, it is relaxing.Not that the ride isn't-   it is relaxing 
too.


On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:03:05 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:

 Was that way myself until a about a year ago.  Over the past couple years 
 have been on rides with folks riding single speed (or fixed gear) bikes and 
 was jealous, for lack of a better term.  Especially on the SoCal Riv Ride 
 back in 2009.  Was really yearning for a Quickbeam by the end of the ride.  
 Decided after getting a Cross Check last year to give it a try. Had Jim 
 Thill build a wheel and put it on the bike.  And took it for a ride.  Then 
 another.  Then another.  I liked it.  A lot.  

 There are some limitations with my single speed riding - climbing is 
 slower and will often look for alternate route rather than heading for 
 steep hills.  Then again can probably get around 90 percent of the Twin 
 Cities metro area without having to do an ugly (to me) climb.  And climbing 
 even out of my side street in winter with studded tires was more chore than 
 I'd like.  But overall, it's a fun alternative to shifting.
  
 Plus, a single speed is a great excuse why I can't keep up with faster 
 riders.  Which is just about every body else out there.
  
 Eric Platt
 (Counting down the days until next Monday)

 On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:32:22 PM UTC-5, Way Rebb wrote:

 The last single speed I had was as a kid and his StingRay.  Getting a 
 bike with gears was a revelation. I remember actually riding, not 
 pushing the bike, up 73rd in Oakland with a big smile on my face.  I 
 doubt, in fact I know, I'd never get a single speed. I can get the 
 same effect by not changing gears for a while.  Maybe if it had all 
 the braze ons for a Rohloff or something like that.  Some people seem 
 to like them, just not for me. 

 On Apr 9, 7:11 pm, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote: 
  Jim writes: People think single-speed and in the same thought they 
  
  think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever other 
  utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. 
  
  I figure Jim's dealt with way more folks buying bikes than I have so I 
  wouldn't take issue with him about what people in the aggregate 
  think. But I sure don't think that way. When I got my first ss/fixed 
  bike (after grade school that is), I was concerned about winter in the 
  midwest. I didn't want rear derailers freezing up packed full of 
  slush. I wanted fenders so I wouldn't get covered with slush. I 
  thought the 1/8th inch chain would lower the loads and wear better. 
  But I wasn't particularly thinking cheep. I got campi track hubs, 
  moderate weight tubular rims, suntour superbe cranks, lyotard platform 
  pedals (ok they weren't expensive but they were nice), and chinelli 
  bar and stem. If I could have afforded a better frame I think I would 
  have. 
  
  I understand fear of theft driving a desire for cheep. But not fear of 
  the elements. I have never hesitated to take a nice bike out into the 
  rain or snow because I was afraid it would get wrecked. I also see no 
  conflict between utilitarian and aesthetics/elegance/beauty etc. Have 
  you ever used snap-on tools? 
  
  Clearly not enough people will pay 1k for a dedicated SS frame and 
  fork to support the SO/QB in the marketplace. I just find it odd if 
  thats not because almost nobody (outside of hipsterdom which, as noted 
  previously, has a different aesthetic) really knows they like riding 
  em. Of course I think lots of things are odd. 
  
  On Apr 9, 3:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com 
  wrote: 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Also, in reference to Ted's comment about the Cross-check being more 
 an analog to the Hillborne than to the SO: 
  
   That's definitely true if you're talking about the Cross-check as a 
 geared bike. In that case, the two bikes have a lot of similarities, except 
 one looks fancier and costs $600 more (for the frameset only). The price 
 difference is more profound if you compare the CC stock complete bike to a 
 similarly equipped Hillborne, which is not available as a mass-market 
 complete bike. But lots of people, for various reasons, think the price 
 difference on the Riv is plenty acceptable. Lots of people are willing to 
 shell out for a special bike. Cool. 
  
   But single-speeds are different. People think single-speed and in 
 the same thought they think beater or winter bike or bar bike or 
 whatever other utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. In that case, you 
 look at that $600 price difference and you think about rust and dents, and 
 that Surly, what it lacks in panache, it makes up in ruggedness and, 
 ultimately, in the worst case scenario, replaceability. In the case of 
 single-speeds, the preciousness that many of us assign to Rivendell 
 bicycles is a drawback. And that's why I say more mundane frames like the 
 CC make it hard to sell the QB/SO.



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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[clyde canter]

ORyou can saw off the axle flush with the locknuts and use a good
old-fashioned all steel quick release.  I found this on Sheldon's site
somewhere. It actually works quite well on V-dropouts.  If it didn't,
horizontal dropouts wouldn't work because the pull is much greater on the
pedal stroke than are required to hold the rider's weight...ie evertime you
sheared down on the pedals the wheel would be pulled out of the dropout.
Doesn't allow quite as much tensioning room as dropouts or track ends but
most ring/ cog combinations should work. A much prettier and cheaper fix
than a tensioner or eccentric hub or BB.




On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:

 Or you can use one of the lovely White ENO hubs, which I've done on
 current Bleriot iteration

 -Original Message-
 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal
 Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:33 PM
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Imladris dgoldberger...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Whenever I get the urge to own a fixie, I just start riding in one
  gear and never stop pedaling.  Then, when I hit a steep uphill or
  downhill, the urge passes and I shift.  ;-)
 
  As a practical question, why couldn't a Rambouillet (or a Roadeo) be
  set up as a single speed and converted back when you need gearing?
  The SimpleOne seems to be outside of the Rivendell velosophy of
  practical, but beautiful, bikes.  Also, once you throw brakes on a
  fixie, you alienate the one demographic (in NYC, anyway) that seems to
  want to ride one.


 Ram or Roadeo have vertical dropouts (as do almost all rivs except for the
 oldest ones and the qb/so.

 You can single-speed a bike with vert dropouts but you need a chain
 tensioner and then, well, that's just like having a derailler.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[clyde canter]

. The article is for  fixed conversion, but I did this on an old beater
using a BMX cog and spacers on a 7 speed wheel. Couldn't make it slip no
matter how hard I pedalled.  Looked nice too.

Quote as follows:

I used a more drastic solution: on my Bianchi Osprey. I cut the rear axle
short so that it didn't protrude past the surfaces of the locknuts. Thus,
only the quick-release skewer went through the dropouts. Since the skewer
is quite a bit thinner than the actual axle, this gives me considerably
more adjustment room.

If the skewer is properly tightened, the axle is held in place by the
friction of the locknuts being pressed against the inside of the dropouts.
If this were not the case, horizontal dropouts would not be usable, since
the forward pull on the chain creates a larger force against the axle than
supporting the rider's weight does. Just to be on the safe side, I carried
a spare skewer along with my spare tube.

I rode that setup for a couple of years with no problems, but later got a
deal on a Bianchi B.a.S.S. purpose-built singlespeed frame that fits me
better, is notably lighter and has horizontal track-type fork ends, so I'm
no longer using that setup

From this page:

http://sheldonbrown.com/fixed-conversion.html#vertical



On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:38 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.comwrote:

 ORyou can saw off the axle flush with the locknuts and use a good
 old-fashioned all steel quick release.  I found this on Sheldon's site
 somewhere. It actually works quite well on V-dropouts.  If it didn't,
 horizontal dropouts wouldn't work because the pull is much greater on the
 pedal stroke than are required to hold the rider's weight...ie evertime you
 sheared down on the pedals the wheel would be pulled out of the dropout.
 Doesn't allow quite as much tensioning room as dropouts or track ends but
 most ring/ cog combinations should work. A much prettier and cheaper fix
 than a tensioner or eccentric hub or BB.




 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
 thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:

 Or you can use one of the lovely White ENO hubs, which I've done on
 current Bleriot iteration

 -Original Message-
 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal
 Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:33 PM
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Imladris dgoldberger...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Whenever I get the urge to own a fixie, I just start riding in one
  gear and never stop pedaling.  Then, when I hit a steep uphill or
  downhill, the urge passes and I shift.  ;-)
 
  As a practical question, why couldn't a Rambouillet (or a Roadeo) be
  set up as a single speed and converted back when you need gearing?
  The SimpleOne seems to be outside of the Rivendell velosophy of
  practical, but beautiful, bikes.  Also, once you throw brakes on a
  fixie, you alienate the one demographic (in NYC, anyway) that seems to
  want to ride one.


 Ram or Roadeo have vertical dropouts (as do almost all rivs except for
 the oldest ones and the qb/so.

 You can single-speed a bike with vert dropouts but you need a chain
 tensioner and then, well, that's just like having a derailler.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Ha! I have an eccentric ENO hub on my Cross-Check with long horizontal 
dropouts. Now I can adjust through a more or leas continuous spectrum of chain 
tension, wheelbase, BB height, and trail. I should send it to Jan for 
scientific analysis!

(PS: I had the wheel in a v-dropout fixie before I got the CC frame, and it 
made sense to just keep using it even with h-dropouts. People who notice this 
always suspect that I have a wacky technical agenda with this system, but I 
don't. Honest!)

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[David Spranger]

This thread has taken a lot of directions, all very interesting. Three 
weeks in now, I still LOVE my SimpleOne! Still very happy I bought it 
before they disappeared. It has been my only ride during this time, though 
this morning, on the way to work, I regretted not using one of my geared 
bikes as I was heading into a strong head wind along with the usual hills.


On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:21:11 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:

 Ed wrote ... I have to hand it to Grant to even bring the QB and SO 
 to market. 

 Hear Hear, and put me down for grateful too. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[clyde canter]

Dang!  That's neat you brought that up.  White should use the wheelbase
aspect as a selling point.  I found that the coolest thing about the ENO
hubthe fact you get a centemeter of play for tire clearance.  If you
get the ring/ cog combo to work  by having the wheel down and rearward you
can gain a bit more tire room on frames with tight clearances.  In your
C-C's case you can offset the center of gravity change at the BB.
Expensive solutions to minor problems true, but I like it!


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
thill@gmail.com wrote:

 Ha! I have an eccentric ENO hub on my Cross-Check with long horizontal
 dropouts. Now I can adjust through a more or leas continuous spectrum of
 chain tension, wheelbase, BB height, and trail. I should send it to Jan for
 scientific analysis!

 (PS: I had the wheel in a v-dropout fixie before I got the CC frame, and
 it made sense to just keep using it even with h-dropouts. People who notice
 this always suspect that I have a wacky technical agenda with this system,
 but I don't. Honest!)

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[clyde canter]

I own a Quickbeam and LOVE it.  I should have stated so in my post. It is
by far my favorite and most intelligently designed SS bike I own (one of
two dedicated SS's and 3 geared conversions.)  Of my V-dropout conversions
I like Sheldon's short axle solution best.  Apologies for contributing to
the deviation to your original post (scrolling up to see what it was).



On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:23 AM, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.comwrote:

 This thread has taken a lot of directions, all very interesting. Three
 weeks in now, I still LOVE my SimpleOne! Still very happy I bought it
 before they disappeared. It has been my only ride during this time, though
 this morning, on the way to work, I regretted not using one of my geared
 bikes as I was heading into a strong head wind along with the usual hills.


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 Ed wrote ... I have to hand it to Grant to even bring the QB and SO
 to market.

 Hear Hear, and put me down for grateful too.


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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

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The downsides are (1) it can interfere with rear brake pad positioning
if you switch between cogs of different sizes; and (2) it can make the
tire crowd the brake bridge. This happened to me on the ** cut down,
dremeled, hacksawed, mutilated Rivendell ** fixed gear conversion (my
'94/5 Waterford 26 Road): snow would pack up under the fender at the
bridge. Of course, I fixed that by rotating the ENO the other way.

I also took a big rattail file to the vertical dropouts of that
DiamondBack mtb to allow the ENO to accomodate a 3 t difference. But
you have to be careful that you file evenly -- a tiny error in
symmetry will make the wheel cockeyed. (There is a metaphysical idea
skulking in there somewhere, something about a tiny error in the
beginning leading to a major awkwardness in remote effects blah blah
blah blah...).

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:40 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dang!  That's neat you brought that up.  White should use the wheelbase
 aspect as a selling point.  I found that the coolest thing about the ENO
 hubthe fact you get a centemeter of play for tire clearance.  If you get
 the ring/ cog combo to work  by having the wheel down and rearward you can
 gain a bit more tire room on frames with tight clearances.  In your C-C's
 case you can offset the center of gravity change at the BB.  Expensive
 solutions to minor problems true, but I like it!


 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 thill@gmail.com wrote:

 Ha! I have an eccentric ENO hub on my Cross-Check with long horizontal
 dropouts. Now I can adjust through a more or leas continuous spectrum of
 chain tension, wheelbase, BB height, and trail. I should send it to Jan for
 scientific analysis!

 (PS: I had the wheel in a v-dropout fixie before I got the CC frame, and
 it made sense to just keep using it even with h-dropouts. People who notice
 this always suspect that I have a wacky technical agenda with this system,
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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[clyde canter]

 For gear changes like you mentioned you just cant beat that longish slot
on the QB/ SO.  There's really nothing better available...IMO.  You really
have to have a LOT of brake slot available to have many gear options with
the ENO (IMO anyway).  I suppose one could have more than one chain for
different applications, getting it to work with a rear brake and all, or
just eliminate the rear brake outright if you are riding fixed and need the
gear inch difference with the same chain length I suppose if you DO need
all that many options and you DO have vertical dropouts and DO want to be
able to coast, maybe its best to just  keep the durn thing set up with all
them geary bits it came with wink.
But where's the fun in that right?
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:46 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 The downsides are (1) it can interfere with rear brake pad positioning
 if you switch between cogs of different sizes; and (2) it can make the
 tire crowd the brake bridge. This happened to me on the ** cut down,
 dremeled, hacksawed, mutilated Rivendell ** fixed gear conversion (my
 '94/5 Waterford 26 Road): snow would pack up under the fender at the
 bridge. Of course, I fixed that by rotating the ENO the other way.

 I also took a big rattail file to the vertical dropouts of that
 DiamondBack mtb to allow the ENO to accomodate a 3 t difference. But
 you have to be careful that you file evenly -- a tiny error in
 symmetry will make the wheel cockeyed. (There is a metaphysical idea
 skulking in there somewhere, something about a tiny error in the
 beginning leading to a major awkwardness in remote effects blah blah
 blah blah...).

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:40 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Dang!  That's neat you brought that up.  White should use the wheelbase
  aspect as a selling point.  I found that the coolest thing about the
 ENO
  hubthe fact you get a centemeter of play for tire clearance.  If you
 get
  the ring/ cog combo to work  by having the wheel down and rearward you
 can
  gain a bit more tire room on frames with tight clearances.  In your C-C's
  case you can offset the center of gravity change at the BB.  Expensive
  solutions to minor problems true, but I like it!
 
 
  On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
  thill@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Ha! I have an eccentric ENO hub on my Cross-Check with long horizontal
  dropouts. Now I can adjust through a more or leas continuous spectrum of
  chain tension, wheelbase, BB height, and trail. I should send it to Jan
 for
  scientific analysis!
 
  (PS: I had the wheel in a v-dropout fixie before I got the CC frame, and
  it made sense to just keep using it even with h-dropouts. People who
 notice
  this always suspect that I have a wacky technical agenda with this
 system,
  but I don't. Honest!)
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[PATRICK MOORE]

I agree: the long axle slot, preferably sloped to match the angle of
the rim, to ensure continuing brake pad alignment, is the darling.

For my part, on this DB off road fixie, I removed the rear brake.
(Hacksawed off the seatstay canti posts too, dammit! -- for that clean
and uncluttered look.Turned out nice and minimalist with all braze ons
removed.) I wanted a mid 60s gear for pavement and a mid 50s gear for
dirt; thus 18 and 21 t cogs, 46 t ring, for 66 and 56. OTOH, I found
that trying to spin downhill on steep, dirt roads in a sub-60 gear
was so annoying that I later switched to a single 19 t cog for just a
63 gear (still no rear brake; didn't need one). I'd rather walkup
hills than flail impotently and despairingly on fast flats and down
hills.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote:
  For gear changes like you mentioned you just cant beat that longish slot on
 the QB/ SO.  There's really nothing better available...IMO.  You really have
 to have a LOT of brake slot available to have many gear options with the ENO
 (IMO anyway).  I suppose one could have more than one chain for different
 applications, getting it to work with a rear brake and all, or just
 eliminate the rear brake outright if you are riding fixed and need the gear
 inch difference with the same chain length I suppose if you DO need all that
 many options and you DO have vertical dropouts and DO want to be able to
 coast, maybe its best to just  keep the durn thing set up with all them
 geary bits it came with wink.
 But where's the fun in that right?

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Tom M]

They both sound like great bikes, but I think Rivendell was late to the 
single-speed party. The Quickbeam copy says something about single-speed 
riders getting tired of their bikes and the QB being a better alternative 
to single-speeds. Then, a few years later, comes the Simple One. I think 
the slanted rear dropout is pretty brilliant, but there are lots more 
single-sppeds out there now than when the QB came out. So the Simple One 
has lots of competition, and not just on price — the aesthetics of some of 
them are nice as well.
--Tom
 
 

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:21:11 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:

 Ed wrote ... I have to hand it to Grant to even bring the QB and SO 
 to market. 

 Hear Hear, and put me down for grateful too. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[clyde canter]

I have came to  accept that occasionally  walking up (and sometimes down)
 hills is part of the ss/ fixed gear experience.
I think that adds to the beautiful simplicity of such a bike. Just my two
cents.


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree: the long axle slot, preferably sloped to match the angle of
 the rim, to ensure continuing brake pad alignment, is the darling.

 For my part, on this DB off road fixie, I removed the rear brake.
 (Hacksawed off the seatstay canti posts too, dammit! -- for that clean
 and uncluttered look.Turned out nice and minimalist with all braze ons
 removed.) I wanted a mid 60s gear for pavement and a mid 50s gear for
 dirt; thus 18 and 21 t cogs, 46 t ring, for 66 and 56. OTOH, I found
 that trying to spin downhill on steep, dirt roads in a sub-60 gear
 was so annoying that I later switched to a single 19 t cog for just a
 63 gear (still no rear brake; didn't need one). I'd rather walkup
 hills than flail impotently and despairingly on fast flats and down
 hills.

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   For gear changes like you mentioned you just cant beat that longish
 slot on
  the QB/ SO.  There's really nothing better available...IMO.  You really
 have
  to have a LOT of brake slot available to have many gear options with the
 ENO
  (IMO anyway).  I suppose one could have more than one chain for different
  applications, getting it to work with a rear brake and all, or just
  eliminate the rear brake outright if you are riding fixed and need the
 gear
  inch difference with the same chain length I suppose if you DO need all
 that
  many options and you DO have vertical dropouts and DO want to be able to
  coast, maybe its best to just  keep the durn thing set up with all them
  geary bits it came with wink.
  But where's the fun in that right?

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[clyde canter]

I've often wanted to try pegs on a fixed gear for coasting, like on this
old beauty:
http://events.mnhs.org/Timepieces/SourceDetail.cfm?SourceID=694
But how?

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:48 PM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have came to  accept that occasionally  walking up (and sometimes down)
  hills is part of the ss/ fixed gear experience.
 I think that adds to the beautiful simplicity of such a bike. Just my two
 cents.


 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:19 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote:

 I agree: the long axle slot, preferably sloped to match the angle of
 the rim, to ensure continuing brake pad alignment, is the darling.

 For my part, on this DB off road fixie, I removed the rear brake.
 (Hacksawed off the seatstay canti posts too, dammit! -- for that clean
 and uncluttered look.Turned out nice and minimalist with all braze ons
 removed.) I wanted a mid 60s gear for pavement and a mid 50s gear for
 dirt; thus 18 and 21 t cogs, 46 t ring, for 66 and 56. OTOH, I found
 that trying to spin downhill on steep, dirt roads in a sub-60 gear
 was so annoying that I later switched to a single 19 t cog for just a
 63 gear (still no rear brake; didn't need one). I'd rather walkup
 hills than flail impotently and despairingly on fast flats and down
 hills.

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   For gear changes like you mentioned you just cant beat that longish
 slot on
  the QB/ SO.  There's really nothing better available...IMO.  You really
 have
  to have a LOT of brake slot available to have many gear options with
 the ENO
  (IMO anyway).  I suppose one could have more than one chain for
 different
  applications, getting it to work with a rear brake and all, or just
  eliminate the rear brake outright if you are riding fixed and need the
 gear
  inch difference with the same chain length I suppose if you DO need all
 that
  many options and you DO have vertical dropouts and DO want to be able to
  coast, maybe its best to just  keep the durn thing set up with all them
  geary bits it came with wink.
  But where's the fun in that right?

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[EricP]

Yes, even though the axle is longer on my one single speed wheel, it's had 
no problem holding up my 230 pounds even with panniers and gear.
 
FWIW, a Phil freewheel hub has a long axle on the non-drive side to make a 
low dish wheel.  Have one on my Sam Hillborne and it has held up just fine 
under my weight in all kinds of riding.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Monday, April 9, 2012 8:24:34 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 My ss/fixed hubs are all spaced 126, 130 or 135: never a problem even
 with heavy rear loads. I weigh 175 and often carry 40 lb or so. 

   

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Peter Pesce]

Clearly not enough people will pay 1k for a dedicated SS frame

Maybe part of the problem was the fixation (no pun intended) on single. 
Even though some have disparaged the thought that the SO/QB would be used 
with an IGH, I'm thinking why not? In fact, maybe it should have been 
market to work specifically with an IGH. Maybe the true ancestor of the 
SO/QB is really a classic Raleigh 3-speed? Maybe Valvoline green should 
have been British Racing Green instead? 

Positioned this way, people who aren't one-speed fans would have thought 
differently about the bike. Wouldn't a re-born classic 3 (still maintaining 
the versatility to be all the other things the SO/QB can be) be just the 
ticket from a company that's all about nice, practical everyday bikes?

It's all academic now, of course...

On Monday, April 9, 2012 10:11:48 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:

 Jim writes: People think single-speed and in the same thought they 
 think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever other 
 utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. 

 I figure Jim's dealt with way more folks buying bikes than I have so I 
 wouldn't take issue with him about what people in the aggregate 
 think. But I sure don't think that way. When I got my first ss/fixed 
 bike (after grade school that is), I was concerned about winter in the 
 midwest. I didn't want rear derailers freezing up packed full of 
 slush. I wanted fenders so I wouldn't get covered with slush. I 
 thought the 1/8th inch chain would lower the loads and wear better. 
 But I wasn't particularly thinking cheep. I got campi track hubs, 
 moderate weight tubular rims, suntour superbe cranks, lyotard platform 
 pedals (ok they weren't expensive but they were nice), and chinelli 
 bar and stem. If I could have afforded a better frame I think I would 
 have. 

 I understand fear of theft driving a desire for cheep. But not fear of 
 the elements. I have never hesitated to take a nice bike out into the 
 rain or snow because I was afraid it would get wrecked. I also see no 
 conflict between utilitarian and aesthetics/elegance/beauty etc. Have 
 you ever used snap-on tools? 

 Clearly not enough people will pay 1k for a dedicated SS frame and 
 fork to support the SO/QB in the marketplace. I just find it odd if 
 thats not because almost nobody (outside of hipsterdom which, as noted 
 previously, has a different aesthetic) really knows they like riding 
 em. Of course I think lots of things are odd. 

 On Apr 9, 3:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com 
 wrote: 
  Also, in reference to Ted's comment about the Cross-check being more an 
 analog to the Hillborne than to the SO: 
  
  That's definitely true if you're talking about the Cross-check as a 
 geared bike. In that case, the two bikes have a lot of similarities, except 
 one looks fancier and costs $600 more (for the frameset only). The price 
 difference is more profound if you compare the CC stock complete bike to a 
 similarly equipped Hillborne, which is not available as a mass-market 
 complete bike. But lots of people, for various reasons, think the price 
 difference on the Riv is plenty acceptable. Lots of people are willing to 
 shell out for a special bike. Cool. 
  
  But single-speeds are different. People think single-speed and in the 
 same thought they think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever 
 other utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. In that case, you look at 
 that $600 price difference and you think about rust and dents, and that 
 Surly, what it lacks in panache, it makes up in ruggedness and, ultimately, 
 in the worst case scenario, replaceability. In the case of single-speeds, 
 the preciousness that many of us assign to Rivendell bicycles is a 
 drawback. And that's why I say more mundane frames like the CC make it hard 
 to sell the QB/SO.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Grant has stated his reluctance in the past to get involved in bikes with IGHs. 
I don't blame him. It's a case of a lot of people having unrealistic 
expectations that don't match reality. 

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[RJM]

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:54:10 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote: 

 Grant has stated his reluctance in the past to get involved in bikes with 
 IGHs. I don't blame him. It's a case of a lot of people having unrealistic 
 expectations that don't match reality. 

 
I kind of agree with Grant on this; plus, I can't find too much wrong with 
derailer systems.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Peter Pesce]

Not sure how many people have unrealistic expectations of Raleigh 3 speeds, 
but OK. I can understand steering clear of IGHs if they're not your thing.

Seems like the only expectation that was unrealistic in this case was 
that the SO would sell. I'm just throwing out a hypothetical (and 
apparently heretical :-p) idea that might have made a difference. We'll 
never know.

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:54:10 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Grant has stated his reluctance in the past to get involved in bikes with 
 IGHs. I don't blame him. It's a case of a lot of people having unrealistic 
 expectations that don't match reality. 

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The biggest issue with IGHs is that they appeal mostly to people who want 
to avoid doing bike maintenance. In SoCal, that's probably ok, but in 
places where people will ride them through sloppy conditions, water and 
grime and salts get in, but can't get out. The hub keeps working until it 
doesn't, and then it's too late to fix it because most of the time you 
can't get parts for the most popular models (namely, Shimano 8sp models). 
Rohloff is sealed and mostly immune to these flaws, but that's out of most 
cyclists' league. Old SA 3-speeds are another thing, too, because parts are 
available in surplus and cheap, and the hubs are sloppy enough to function 
(to some extent) even when internal parts are worn or gunked up or out of 
adjustment.

Then you have the issues with more difficult flat fixes, shifter/handlebar 
capability, weight (perhaps), many bike shops that don't know how to 
service them or carry parts, etc, etc. And, besides all that, modern 
derailleur systems, work REALLY well with a modicum of TLC. What problem 
are we solving? Don't get me wrong, I think IGHs have some neat advantages, 
but the people who want them are often the people who will have trouble 
with them and be disappointed.

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:27:39 AM UTC-5, Peter Pesce wrote:

 Not sure how many people have unrealistic expectations of Raleigh 3 
 speeds, but OK. I can understand steering clear of IGHs if they're not your 
 thing.

 Seems like the only expectation that was unrealistic in this case was 
 that the SO would sell. I'm just throwing out a hypothetical (and 
 apparently heretical :-p) idea that might have made a difference. We'll 
 never know.

 On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:54:10 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 wrote:

 Grant has stated his reluctance in the past to get involved in bikes with 
 IGHs. I don't blame him. It's a case of a lot of people having unrealistic 
 expectations that don't match reality. 



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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Imladris]

Whenever I get the urge to own a fixie, I just start riding in one
gear and never stop pedaling.  Then, when I hit a steep uphill or
downhill, the urge passes and I shift.  ;-)

As a practical question, why couldn't a Rambouillet (or a Roadeo) be
set up as a single speed and converted back when you need gearing?
The SimpleOne seems to be outside of the Rivendell velosophy of
practical, but beautiful, bikes.  Also, once you throw brakes on a
fixie, you alienate the one demographic (in NYC, anyway) that seems to
want to ride one.

On Mar 25, 3:27 pm, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com wrote:
 After only a week of riding my SimpleOne, I find it is fast becoming my
 favorite bike. I cannot pin down what quality it has that gives me such a
 joy to ride. I own a Rambouillet and a Surly LHT and it would be easy to
 make the argument that either one of those is way more practical for my
 purposes than the SimpleOne. I do love both of those bikes and would not
 easily give them up, but the SimpleOne has become my new best friend. I am
 grateful that I bought one before they disappeared.

 David Spranger

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Way Rebb]

The last single speed I had was as a kid and his StingRay.  Getting a
bike with gears was a revelation. I remember actually riding, not
pushing the bike, up 73rd in Oakland with a big smile on my face.  I
doubt, in fact I know, I'd never get a single speed. I can get the
same effect by not changing gears for a while.  Maybe if it had all
the braze ons for a Rohloff or something like that.  Some people seem
to like them, just not for me.

On Apr 9, 7:11 pm, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote:
 Jim writes: People think single-speed and in the same thought they

 think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever other
 utilitarian, un-romantic category applies.

 I figure Jim's dealt with way more folks buying bikes than I have so I
 wouldn't take issue with him about what people in the aggregate
 think. But I sure don't think that way. When I got my first ss/fixed
 bike (after grade school that is), I was concerned about winter in the
 midwest. I didn't want rear derailers freezing up packed full of
 slush. I wanted fenders so I wouldn't get covered with slush. I
 thought the 1/8th inch chain would lower the loads and wear better.
 But I wasn't particularly thinking cheep. I got campi track hubs,
 moderate weight tubular rims, suntour superbe cranks, lyotard platform
 pedals (ok they weren't expensive but they were nice), and chinelli
 bar and stem. If I could have afforded a better frame I think I would
 have.

 I understand fear of theft driving a desire for cheep. But not fear of
 the elements. I have never hesitated to take a nice bike out into the
 rain or snow because I was afraid it would get wrecked. I also see no
 conflict between utilitarian and aesthetics/elegance/beauty etc. Have
 you ever used snap-on tools?

 Clearly not enough people will pay 1k for a dedicated SS frame and
 fork to support the SO/QB in the marketplace. I just find it odd if
 thats not because almost nobody (outside of hipsterdom which, as noted
 previously, has a different aesthetic) really knows they like riding
 em. Of course I think lots of things are odd.

 On Apr 9, 3:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
 wrote:







  Also, in reference to Ted's comment about the Cross-check being more an 
  analog to the Hillborne than to the SO:

  That's definitely true if you're talking about the Cross-check as a geared 
  bike. In that case, the two bikes have a lot of similarities, except one 
  looks fancier and costs $600 more (for the frameset only). The price 
  difference is more profound if you compare the CC stock complete bike to a 
  similarly equipped Hillborne, which is not available as a mass-market 
  complete bike. But lots of people, for various reasons, think the price 
  difference on the Riv is plenty acceptable. Lots of people are willing to 
  shell out for a special bike. Cool.

  But single-speeds are different. People think single-speed and in the 
  same thought they think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever 
  other utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. In that case, you look at 
  that $600 price difference and you think about rust and dents, and that 
  Surly, what it lacks in panache, it makes up in ruggedness and, ultimately, 
  in the worst case scenario, replaceability. In the case of single-speeds, 
  the preciousness that many of us assign to Rivendell bicycles is a 
  drawback. And that's why I say more mundane frames like the CC make it hard 
  to sell the QB/SO.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Seth Vidal]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Imladris dgoldberger...@gmail.com wrote:
 Whenever I get the urge to own a fixie, I just start riding in one
 gear and never stop pedaling.  Then, when I hit a steep uphill or
 downhill, the urge passes and I shift.  ;-)

 As a practical question, why couldn't a Rambouillet (or a Roadeo) be
 set up as a single speed and converted back when you need gearing?
 The SimpleOne seems to be outside of the Rivendell velosophy of
 practical, but beautiful, bikes.  Also, once you throw brakes on a
 fixie, you alienate the one demographic (in NYC, anyway) that seems to
 want to ride one.


Ram or Roadeo have vertical dropouts (as do almost all rivs except for
the oldest ones and the qb/so.

You can single-speed a bike with vert dropouts but you need a chain
tensioner and then, well, that's just like having a derailler.

-sv

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RE: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Or you can use one of the lovely White ENO hubs, which I've done on current 
Bleriot iteration 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:33 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Imladris dgoldberger...@gmail.com wrote:
 Whenever I get the urge to own a fixie, I just start riding in one 
 gear and never stop pedaling.  Then, when I hit a steep uphill or 
 downhill, the urge passes and I shift.  ;-)

 As a practical question, why couldn't a Rambouillet (or a Roadeo) be 
 set up as a single speed and converted back when you need gearing?
 The SimpleOne seems to be outside of the Rivendell velosophy of 
 practical, but beautiful, bikes.  Also, once you throw brakes on a 
 fixie, you alienate the one demographic (in NYC, anyway) that seems to 
 want to ride one.


Ram or Roadeo have vertical dropouts (as do almost all rivs except for the 
oldest ones and the qb/so.

You can single-speed a bike with vert dropouts but you need a chain tensioner 
and then, well, that's just like having a derailler.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[PATRICK MOORE]

For me, the most appealing thing about riding fixed -- and I am, for
once, completely serious -- is that it gives you no other options when
you reach that hill or turn into that wind except adapting your riding
style to the new conditions. I never understood what they mean by
feeling more 'at one' with a fixed gear; seems bogus to me but I am
not dogmatic on this point. Again, the principal and great appeal of
the fixed gear is precisely that it forces to to adapt, succumb,
surrender, change, accept the challenge.

[Serious mode off.] I further state, asseverate, insist, proclaim,
announce and assert that fixed gears can certainly be wonderfully
practical errand and commuter bikes!

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Imladris dgoldberger...@gmail.com wrote:
 Whenever I get the urge to own a fixie, I just start riding in one
 gear and never stop pedaling.  Then, when I hit a steep uphill or
 downhill, the urge passes and I shift.  ;-)

 As a practical question, why couldn't a Rambouillet (or a Roadeo) be
 set up as a single speed and converted back when you need gearing?
 The SimpleOne seems to be outside of the Rivendell velosophy of
 practical, but beautiful, bikes.  Also, once you throw brakes on a
 fixie, you alienate the one demographic (in NYC, anyway) that seems to
 want to ride one.

 On Mar 25, 3:27 pm, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com wrote:
 After only a week of riding my SimpleOne, I find it is fast becoming my
 favorite bike. I cannot pin down what quality it has that gives me such a
 joy to ride. I own a Rambouillet and a Surly LHT and it would be easy to
 make the argument that either one of those is way more practical for my
 purposes than the SimpleOne. I do love both of those bikes and would not
 easily give them up, but the SimpleOne has become my new best friend. I am
 grateful that I bought one before they disappeared.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Lyle Bogart]

 I further state, asseverate, insist, proclaim,
announce and assert that fixed gears can certainly be wonderfully
practical errand and commuter bikes!

I agree, absolutely.

lyle

On 10 April 2012 15:51, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 For me, the most appealing thing about riding fixed -- and I am, for
 once, completely serious -- is that it gives you no other options when
 you reach that hill or turn into that wind except adapting your riding
 style to the new conditions. I never understood what they mean by
 feeling more 'at one' with a fixed gear; seems bogus to me but I am
 not dogmatic on this point. Again, the principal and great appeal of
 the fixed gear is precisely that it forces to to adapt, succumb,
 surrender, change, accept the challenge.

 [Serious mode off.] I further state, asseverate, insist, proclaim,
 announce and assert that fixed gears can certainly be wonderfully
 practical errand and commuter bikes!

 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Imladris dgoldberger...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Whenever I get the urge to own a fixie, I just start riding in one
  gear and never stop pedaling.  Then, when I hit a steep uphill or
  downhill, the urge passes and I shift.  ;-)
 
  As a practical question, why couldn't a Rambouillet (or a Roadeo) be
  set up as a single speed and converted back when you need gearing?
  The SimpleOne seems to be outside of the Rivendell velosophy of
  practical, but beautiful, bikes.  Also, once you throw brakes on a
  fixie, you alienate the one demographic (in NYC, anyway) that seems to
  want to ride one.
 
  On Mar 25, 3:27 pm, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com wrote:
  After only a week of riding my SimpleOne, I find it is fast becoming my
  favorite bike. I cannot pin down what quality it has that gives me such
 a
  joy to ride. I own a Rambouillet and a Surly LHT and it would be easy to
  make the argument that either one of those is way more practical for my
  purposes than the SimpleOne. I do love both of those bikes and would not
  easily give them up, but the SimpleOne has become my new best friend. I
 am
  grateful that I bought one before they disappeared.
 
  David Spranger
 
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[dailyrandonneur]

I purchased the SimpleOne after hearing my wife rave for years about
the ride of her Quickbeam. She was right. The SimpleOne is
tremendously fun to ride and has that Riv feel that I like so much in
my Atlantis and Rambouillet.

It replaced a Kogswell singlespeed that was half the cost, and was
fine, but not the blast that I get from the SimpleOne.

I can see how it would be hard to sell to someone who is not an
enthusiast. We talk regularly to people who are looking to buy a new
bike and they are all fascinated with Surly right now, but even those
seem pricey to them. They have to get past the bargain basement stuff
on Craigslist, then move past Ebay, then Linus, etc. before they even
consider a Surly. You'd be amazed at how many Linus singlespeeds are
being pedaled around D.C. right now.

There seems to be the prevailing attitude that singlespeeds should be
cheap. Maybe it's the notion that the smart person buys a cheap beater
frame and converts it to single speed or fixed gear, and that you're
crazy to pay Rivendell prices for a new frameset. I don't even try to
convince anyone of the value of the SimpleOne anymore -- it  is way,
way out of most peoples' price expectations. The tough economy is
another factor that I think has contributed to the popularity of Linus
and Surly, though they've raised prices as well.

All said, I have to hand it to Grant to even bring the QB and SO to
market. It's a brave act and one I'm grateful for.

Ed Felker
Washington, DC




On Mar 25, 3:27 pm, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com wrote:
 After only a week of riding my SimpleOne, I find it is fast becoming my
 favorite bike. I cannot pin down what quality it has that gives me such a
 joy to ride. I own a Rambouillet and a Surly LHT and it would be easy to
 make the argument that either one of those is way more practical for my
 purposes than the SimpleOne. I do love both of those bikes and would not
 easily give them up, but the SimpleOne has become my new best friend. I am
 grateful that I bought one before they disappeared.

 David Spranger

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[ted]

Ed wrote ... I have to hand it to Grant to even bring the QB and SO
to market.

Hear Hear, and put me down for grateful too.


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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[EricP]

Was that way myself until a about a year ago.  Over the past couple years 
have been on rides with folks riding single speed (or fixed gear) bikes and 
was jealous, for lack of a better term.  Especially on the SoCal Riv Ride 
back in 2009.  Was really yearning for a Quickbeam by the end of the ride.  
Decided after getting a Cross Check last year to give it a try. Had Jim 
Thill build a wheel and put it on the bike.  And took it for a ride.  Then 
another.  Then another.  I liked it.  A lot.  

There are some limitations with my single speed riding - climbing is slower 
and will often look for alternate route rather than heading for steep 
hills.  Then again can probably get around 90 percent of the Twin Cities 
metro area without having to do an ugly (to me) climb.  And climbing even 
out of my side street in winter with studded tires was more chore than I'd 
like.  But overall, it's a fun alternative to shifting.
 
Plus, a single speed is a great excuse why I can't keep up with faster 
riders.  Which is just about every body else out there.
 
Eric Platt
(Counting down the days until next Monday)

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:32:22 PM UTC-5, Way Rebb wrote:

 The last single speed I had was as a kid and his StingRay.  Getting a 
 bike with gears was a revelation. I remember actually riding, not 
 pushing the bike, up 73rd in Oakland with a big smile on my face.  I 
 doubt, in fact I know, I'd never get a single speed. I can get the 
 same effect by not changing gears for a while.  Maybe if it had all 
 the braze ons for a Rohloff or something like that.  Some people seem 
 to like them, just not for me. 

 On Apr 9, 7:11 pm, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote: 
  Jim writes: People think single-speed and in the same thought they 
  
  think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever other 
  utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. 
  
  I figure Jim's dealt with way more folks buying bikes than I have so I 
  wouldn't take issue with him about what people in the aggregate 
  think. But I sure don't think that way. When I got my first ss/fixed 
  bike (after grade school that is), I was concerned about winter in the 
  midwest. I didn't want rear derailers freezing up packed full of 
  slush. I wanted fenders so I wouldn't get covered with slush. I 
  thought the 1/8th inch chain would lower the loads and wear better. 
  But I wasn't particularly thinking cheep. I got campi track hubs, 
  moderate weight tubular rims, suntour superbe cranks, lyotard platform 
  pedals (ok they weren't expensive but they were nice), and chinelli 
  bar and stem. If I could have afforded a better frame I think I would 
  have. 
  
  I understand fear of theft driving a desire for cheep. But not fear of 
  the elements. I have never hesitated to take a nice bike out into the 
  rain or snow because I was afraid it would get wrecked. I also see no 
  conflict between utilitarian and aesthetics/elegance/beauty etc. Have 
  you ever used snap-on tools? 
  
  Clearly not enough people will pay 1k for a dedicated SS frame and 
  fork to support the SO/QB in the marketplace. I just find it odd if 
  thats not because almost nobody (outside of hipsterdom which, as noted 
  previously, has a different aesthetic) really knows they like riding 
  em. Of course I think lots of things are odd. 
  
  On Apr 9, 3:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com 
  wrote: 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Also, in reference to Ted's comment about the Cross-check being more 
 an analog to the Hillborne than to the SO: 
  
   That's definitely true if you're talking about the Cross-check as a 
 geared bike. In that case, the two bikes have a lot of similarities, except 
 one looks fancier and costs $600 more (for the frameset only). The price 
 difference is more profound if you compare the CC stock complete bike to a 
 similarly equipped Hillborne, which is not available as a mass-market 
 complete bike. But lots of people, for various reasons, think the price 
 difference on the Riv is plenty acceptable. Lots of people are willing to 
 shell out for a special bike. Cool. 
  
   But single-speeds are different. People think single-speed and in 
 the same thought they think beater or winter bike or bar bike or 
 whatever other utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. In that case, you 
 look at that $600 price difference and you think about rust and dents, and 
 that Surly, what it lacks in panache, it makes up in ruggedness and, 
 ultimately, in the worst case scenario, replaceability. In the case of 
 single-speeds, the preciousness that many of us assign to Rivendell 
 bicycles is a drawback. And that's why I say more mundane frames like the 
 CC make it hard to sell the QB/SO.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[PATRICK MOORE]

Amen to that one! I use it whenever I am passed by a younger man or
woman on a racing bike.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:03 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:

 Plus, a single speed is a great excuse why I can't keep up with faster
 riders.  Which is just about every body else out there.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[ted]

I have even had them (the faster faster folks I mean) volunteer it for
me.
They have said you ran out of gear or some such with out any prodding.
Sadly I know I'd of been dropped no matter how big a gear I had.

On Apr 10, 7:25 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Amen to that one! I use it whenever I am passed by a younger man or
 woman on a racing bike.







 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:03 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
  Plus, a single speed is a great excuse why I can't keep up with faster
  riders.  Which is just about every body else out there.

  Eric Platt
  (Counting down the days until next Monday)

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Also, in reference to Ted's comment about the Cross-check being more an analog 
to the Hillborne than to the SO:

That's definitely true if you're talking about the Cross-check as a geared 
bike. In that case, the two bikes have a lot of similarities, except one looks 
fancier and costs $600 more (for the frameset only). The price difference is 
more profound if you compare the CC stock complete bike to a similarly equipped 
Hillborne, which is not available as a mass-market complete bike. But lots of 
people, for various reasons, think the price difference on the Riv is plenty 
acceptable. Lots of people are willing to shell out for a special bike. Cool.

But single-speeds are different. People think single-speed and in the same 
thought they think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever other 
utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. In that case, you look at that $600 
price difference and you think about rust and dents, and that Surly, what it 
lacks in panache, it makes up in ruggedness and, ultimately, in the worst case 
scenario, replaceability. In the case of single-speeds, the preciousness that 
many of us assign to Rivendell bicycles is a drawback. And that's why I say 
more mundane frames like the CC make it hard to sell the QB/SO.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[ted]

Jim,

Thanks for the info. I didn't know that flip flop hubs in the longer
spacings were so readily available.
They must have a fair bit of axle showing though. When I had a ss
freewheel mounted on an old campi hub recently all that axle sticking
out looked a bit odd to me. I suppose they (the longer axles that is)
might be more likely to bend too, though I don't think I would worry
about it much.

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wrote:
 Some trivia about 120 mm spacing: many of the typical 120 mm SS hubs have a 
 130 mm version available that has the same hub body on a wider axle and the 
 same 42 mm chainline. My White Industries eccentric flip-flop hub is 135 mm 
 with a 42 mm chainline on the fixed side.

 In other words, there is not necessarily a difference in chainline in the 
 different width hubs UNLESS you're using one of the 135 mm SS MTB hubs on the 
 market. If the chainline is 42 mm, regardless of overall hub spacing, you can 
 use the same narrow BB and narrow-tread crank, provided the chainring and 
 crankarms clear the chainstays.

 120 mm is only an advantage if you already have a stash of hubs/wheels in 
 that size and/or you believe that maintaining traditional dimensions is 
 important and/or you want to run genuine track-bike parts (which Riv 
 doesn't). 130 mm or 135 mm would give the added advantage of being capable of 
 accepting a cassette hub with a spacer kit and 1, 2, or even 3 cogs. Not that 
 120 mm spacing detracts from the coolness or quality of Riv's SS attempts - 
 just trying to point out that the argument for/against one hub width 
 dimension and another is not one-sided.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[PATRICK MOORE]

My ss/fixed hubs are all spaced 126, 130 or 135: never a problem even
with heavy rear loads. I weigh 175 and often carry 40 lb or so.

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote:
 Jim,

 Thanks for the info. I didn't know that flip flop hubs in the longer
 spacings were so readily available.
 They must have a fair bit of axle showing though. When I had a ss
 freewheel mounted on an old campi hub recently all that axle sticking
 out looked a bit odd to me. I suppose they (the longer axles that is)
 might be more likely to bend too, though I don't think I would worry
 about it much.

 On Apr 9, 2:52 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Some trivia about 120 mm spacing: many of the typical 120 mm SS hubs have a 
 130 mm version available that has the same hub body on a wider axle and the 
 same 42 mm chainline. My White Industries eccentric flip-flop hub is 135 mm 
 with a 42 mm chainline on the fixed side.

 In other words, there is not necessarily a difference in chainline in the 
 different width hubs UNLESS you're using one of the 135 mm SS MTB hubs on 
 the market. If the chainline is 42 mm, regardless of overall hub spacing, 
 you can use the same narrow BB and narrow-tread crank, provided the 
 chainring and crankarms clear the chainstays.

 120 mm is only an advantage if you already have a stash of hubs/wheels in 
 that size and/or you believe that maintaining traditional dimensions is 
 important and/or you want to run genuine track-bike parts (which Riv 
 doesn't). 130 mm or 135 mm would give the added advantage of being capable 
 of accepting a cassette hub with a spacer kit and 1, 2, or even 3 cogs. Not 
 that 120 mm spacing detracts from the coolness or quality of Riv's SS 
 attempts - just trying to point out that the argument for/against one hub 
 width dimension and another is not one-sided.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[ted]

Jim writes: People think single-speed and in the same thought they
think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever other
utilitarian, un-romantic category applies.

I figure Jim's dealt with way more folks buying bikes than I have so I
wouldn't take issue with him about what people in the aggregate
think. But I sure don't think that way. When I got my first ss/fixed
bike (after grade school that is), I was concerned about winter in the
midwest. I didn't want rear derailers freezing up packed full of
slush. I wanted fenders so I wouldn't get covered with slush. I
thought the 1/8th inch chain would lower the loads and wear better.
But I wasn't particularly thinking cheep. I got campi track hubs,
moderate weight tubular rims, suntour superbe cranks, lyotard platform
pedals (ok they weren't expensive but they were nice), and chinelli
bar and stem. If I could have afforded a better frame I think I would
have.

I understand fear of theft driving a desire for cheep. But not fear of
the elements. I have never hesitated to take a nice bike out into the
rain or snow because I was afraid it would get wrecked. I also see no
conflict between utilitarian and aesthetics/elegance/beauty etc. Have
you ever used snap-on tools?

Clearly not enough people will pay 1k for a dedicated SS frame and
fork to support the SO/QB in the marketplace. I just find it odd if
thats not because almost nobody (outside of hipsterdom which, as noted
previously, has a different aesthetic) really knows they like riding
em. Of course I think lots of things are odd.

On Apr 9, 3:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
 Also, in reference to Ted's comment about the Cross-check being more an 
 analog to the Hillborne than to the SO:

 That's definitely true if you're talking about the Cross-check as a geared 
 bike. In that case, the two bikes have a lot of similarities, except one 
 looks fancier and costs $600 more (for the frameset only). The price 
 difference is more profound if you compare the CC stock complete bike to a 
 similarly equipped Hillborne, which is not available as a mass-market 
 complete bike. But lots of people, for various reasons, think the price 
 difference on the Riv is plenty acceptable. Lots of people are willing to 
 shell out for a special bike. Cool.

 But single-speeds are different. People think single-speed and in the same 
 thought they think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever other 
 utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. In that case, you look at that 
 $600 price difference and you think about rust and dents, and that Surly, 
 what it lacks in panache, it makes up in ruggedness and, ultimately, in the 
 worst case scenario, replaceability. In the case of single-speeds, the 
 preciousness that many of us assign to Rivendell bicycles is a drawback. And 
 that's why I say more mundane frames like the CC make it hard to sell the 
 QB/SO.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Despite the bazillion fixies on the market, I don't think 
anybody else has offered a dedicated single speed / fixed gear bike 
with a real fork crown, fender eyelets (with room for fenders), and 
all those braze on rack mounts. 

Well, except for the dedicated single speed part, the Surly Cross Check is an 
obvious SO/QB competitor. I run my CC as a fixed gear most of the year. It 
easily fits a 700x40 with fenders, and accommodates front and rear racks. I've 
occasionally lusted after the RBW single speeds, but my CC is a bike I can beat 
up, ride it in winter, throw it around when I portage it over rough terrain, 
and not feel remorseful if something bad happens to it. I have a compact double 
crank and geared rear wheel for it, and can convert it to a touring bike in 
under an hour.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[ted]

Sure, and its great that works so well for you. Probably does, or
would, for most other folks too even.
But as you start except for the dedicated single speed part. I don't
think that should be overlooked so cavalierly. Things like the 120
rear dropout spacing matter to some of us.
Any touring frame can be built as a ss/fixed bike but I don't think
that really makes them direct SimpleOne/Quickbeam substitutes.
The SimpleOne may have been superfluous but I still think it was a
unique offering.
For me, it does what it does better than a converted touring bike.


On Apr 8, 7:58 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
 Despite the bazillion fixies on the market, I don't think
 anybody else has offered a dedicated single speed / fixed gear bike
 with a real fork crown, fender eyelets (with room for fenders), and
 all those braze on rack mounts. 

 Well, except for the dedicated single speed part, the Surly Cross Check is 
 an obvious SO/QB competitor. I run my CC as a fixed gear most of the year. It 
 easily fits a 700x40 with fenders, and accommodates front and rear racks. 
 I've occasionally lusted after the RBW single speeds, but my CC is a bike I 
 can beat up, ride it in winter, throw it around when I portage it over rough 
 terrain, and not feel remorseful if something bad happens to it. I have a 
 compact double crank and geared rear wheel for it, and can convert it to a 
 touring bike in under an hour.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[PATRICK MOORE]

Curious: apart from the rear spacing (and there are fixed/flip-flop
hubs available in 126, 130 and 135), why would the SO be better than a
converted road bike, touring or otherwise? I've converted many racing,
touring and mountain bikes to fixed/ss and found them wonderful.

Is it the handling? I know that my two Riv fixies are the darlings
just for that reason.

Note: you can always convert your Sam Hill, Ram, Rom, Legolas or what
have you to fixed/ss -- just take out your Dremel, hacksaw and Vise
Grips ...

Patrick I've done it, too Moore

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:57 PM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote:
 Sure, and its great that works so well for you. Probably does, or
 would, for most other folks too even.
 But as you start except for the dedicated single speed part. I don't
 think that should be overlooked so cavalierly. Things like the 120
 rear dropout spacing matter to some of us.
 Any touring frame can be built as a ss/fixed bike but I don't think
 that really makes them direct SimpleOne/Quickbeam substitutes.
 The SimpleOne may have been superfluous but I still think it was a
 unique offering.
 For me, it does what it does better than a converted touring bike.


 On Apr 8, 7:58 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Despite the bazillion fixies on the market, I don't think
 anybody else has offered a dedicated single speed / fixed gear bike
 with a real fork crown, fender eyelets (with room for fenders), and
 all those braze on rack mounts. 

 Well, except for the dedicated single speed part, the Surly Cross Check is 
 an obvious SO/QB competitor. I run my CC as a fixed gear most of the year. 
 It easily fits a 700x40 with fenders, and accommodates front and rear racks. 
 I've occasionally lusted after the RBW single speeds, but my CC is a bike I 
 can beat up, ride it in winter, throw it around when I portage it over rough 
 terrain, and not feel remorseful if something bad happens to it. I have a 
 compact double crank and geared rear wheel for it, and can convert it to a 
 touring bike in under an hour.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Obviously, not everybody will want a single-speed conversion on a non-dedicated 
SS bike. My point was more to explain, in part, why maybe the SO/QB wasn't a 
better seller because of frames like the CC that, in function, do the same 
thing, for less dough.

Another factor that I think relevant to lagging sales: my exhaustive 
demographic research suggests that RBW's target market is 58-year-old 
upper-middle income types who own multiple bikes (including, perhaps, a 
vintage frame that can be converted). Single-speed popularity tends to be 
driven, I dare say, by relative youngsters who have only one bike that they 
ride and lock up everywhere. It's not practical or fashionable in this crowd to 
have a nice/expensive/new bike. Far more street cred is attached to machines 
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[ted]

Patrick,
Perhaps better is to strong a claim.
Certainly any bike can be converted to SS/fixed. I have done it too
too.
Anything extra you want gone can be cut, ground, or filed off.
Anything missing you want, short of room or a higher bb, can be brazed
on (at least where I live such service is not hard to find).
With White eno hubs even vertical drop outs are no real problem.
All the track hubs in my garage are 120s, and I think that is much
more common and standard.
The SO/QB are/were perfectly suited as built. I think that makes them
a unique niche product.
That that niche is too small to be commercially viable seems to have
been proven by demonstration.


On Apr 8, 12:47 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Curious: apart from the rear spacing (and there are fixed/flip-flop
 hubs available in 126, 130 and 135), why would the SO be better than a
 converted road bike, touring or otherwise? I've converted many racing,
 touring and mountain bikes to fixed/ss and found them wonderful.

 Is it the handling? I know that my two Riv fixies are the darlings
 just for that reason.

 Note: you can always convert your Sam Hill, Ram, Rom, Legolas or what
 have you to fixed/ss -- just take out your Dremel, hacksaw and Vise
 Grips ...

 Patrick I've done it, too Moore









 On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:57 PM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote:
  Sure, and its great that works so well for you. Probably does, or
  would, for most other folks too even.
  But as you start except for the dedicated single speed part. I don't
  think that should be overlooked so cavalierly. Things like the 120
  rear dropout spacing matter to some of us.
  Any touring frame can be built as a ss/fixed bike but I don't think
  that really makes them direct SimpleOne/Quickbeam substitutes.
  The SimpleOne may have been superfluous but I still think it was a
  unique offering.
  For me, it does what it does better than a converted touring bike.

  On Apr 8, 7:58 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
  wrote:
  Despite the bazillion fixies on the market, I don't think
  anybody else has offered a dedicated single speed / fixed gear bike
  with a real fork crown, fender eyelets (with room for fenders), and
  all those braze on rack mounts. 

  Well, except for the dedicated single speed part, the Surly Cross Check 
  is an obvious SO/QB competitor. I run my CC as a fixed gear most of the 
  year. It easily fits a 700x40 with fenders, and accommodates front and 
  rear racks. I've occasionally lusted after the RBW single speeds, but my 
  CC is a bike I can beat up, ride it in winter, throw it around when I 
  portage it over rough terrain, and not feel remorseful if something bad 
  happens to it. I have a compact double crank and geared rear wheel for it, 
  and can convert it to a touring bike in under an hour.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[ted]

Jim,
Hmmm. Not quite 58 but yea guilty. It doesn't take me any time to
convert my fixed to a geared bike. I just grab a different bike.
The vintage frames in my garage date from when I bought smaller
bikes by a size or two. That and stuff like standard fixed gear rear
dropout spacing, lugs, quill stem, paint job, personal finances, etc.
all figured into my decision to buy an SO.
If I am the demographic then I say they should sell well.
I think all of riv's bikes are subject to comparison with frames like
the CC that, in function, do the same thing, for less dough.
Doesn't the CC compare even more directly to a SH than to a SO? Why
would this be a particular problem for the SO more than riv's other
offerings?
I think the reason they didn't sell as well as some folks might have
hoped lies in the gap between ideas and reality. More people say they
would love a ss, are really tempted by a ss, think they might like a
ss, but when it comes right down to it wont buy one.
I got my first fixed gear ~30 years ago (built on a cheep used road
frame the shop threw into the deal cause the wheels and crank etc cost
so much). I know I want a fixed gear on hand. The SO built into a
nicer bike better suited to how I use it than the other fixed/ss
builds I had been using the last few years. I could pay for it. I
splurged and bought it. Now they are gone I am even happier that I
did.
I think the real problem with selling the SOs is how few folks
(excepting a certain demographic you alluded to) have an existing
affinity for riding fixed (or ss) that is grounded in experience.
Without the certainty that they want what it offers buyers find the $$
just a bridge to far as it were.




On Apr 8, 1:25 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
 Obviously, not everybody will want a single-speed conversion on a 
 non-dedicated SS bike. My point was more to explain, in part, why maybe the 
 SO/QB wasn't a better seller because of frames like the CC that, in function, 
 do the same thing, for less dough.

 Another factor that I think relevant to lagging sales: my exhaustive 
 demographic research suggests that RBW's target market is 58-year-old 
 upper-middle income types who own multiple bikes (including, perhaps, a 
 vintage frame that can be converted). Single-speed popularity tends to be 
 driven, I dare say, by relative youngsters who have only one bike that they 
 ride and lock up everywhere. It's not practical or fashionable in this crowd 
 to have a nice/expensive/new bike. Far more street cred is attached to 
 machines lovingly assembled from dumpster frames and parts.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Peter Pesce]

The problem with a lot of conversions is tire clearance. I've been looking for 
an older road frame that would fit more than 28s and in my neck of the woods 
(NYC Area) there's not a lot out there, and when something shows up its rare 
that it sells for less than a new Surly or Soma. 
The SO / QB also has that great dropout geometry that makes gear changes a 
breeze and for which I think Riv is justified in getting paid. 
Sure, it's possible to make anything work. After catching the SS bug I spent 
$100 on parts to convert my old GT mountain bike to a rigid single. Did it make 
any financial sense? No. Is it pretty? No. It's a total kludge. It's got a 
massive load of hub spacers and a not particularly pretty chain tensioner. But 
it's fun to ride!
There will always be a bike that does pretty much what a Riv does for less 
money. But thats not why we're here.  We all feel a Riv is special in some way. 
 And worth it. 

Pete in CT

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[EricP]

Well, in theory, one could have a Surly Cross Check set up for single 
speed, and still end up ordering a SimpleOne.  In part due to longer 
chainstays, slightly lower bottom bracket, kewl green color and being the 
last of the completely different Rivendell models.  But that of course 
would just be in theory.g 
 
As a bike, the Cross Check is an excellent bike with a 130mm wide single 
speed hub.  And I can convert mine to a 1x8or9 in about a half hour.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:25:42 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Obviously, not everybody will want a single-speed conversion on a 
 non-dedicated SS bike. My point was more to explain, in part, why maybe the 
 SO/QB wasn't a better seller because of frames like the CC that, in 
 function, do the same thing, for less dough.

 Another factor that I think relevant to lagging sales: my exhaustive 
 demographic research suggests that RBW's target market is 58-year-old 
 upper-middle income types who own multiple bikes (including, perhaps, a 
 vintage frame that can be converted). Single-speed popularity tends to be 
 driven, I dare say, by relative youngsters who have only one bike that they 
 ride and lock up everywhere. It's not practical or fashionable in this 
 crowd to have a nice/expensive/new bike. Far more street cred is attached 
 to machines lovingly assembled from dumpster frames and parts.


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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[newenglandbike]

I think one of the cool things about the QB and Simple One is the 120mm 
rear spacing combined with the relatively huge tire clearance, which AFAIK 
is pretty unique.   You can run a fairly narrow tread crank setup with a 
107mm BB and have get a decent chainline, and yet are able to fit tires up 
to 45s on the QB, or even 50s(?) with the Simple One. You also got the 
Rivendell geometry, lugs, rack and fenderability, build quality, etc.
All this is on top of those awesome 2 inch long angled dropouts.I shift 
my QB now and then between roads and trails, and it comes in handy with for 
example 40/16, 40/19, 32/19 and 32/22 available.   It's a shame they were 
forced to discontinue them, I wish they had been more of a hit.


On Sunday, April 8, 2012 8:27:37 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:

 Well, in theory, one could have a Surly Cross Check set up for single 
 speed, and still end up ordering a SimpleOne.  In part due to longer 
 chainstays, slightly lower bottom bracket, kewl green color and being the 
 last of the completely different Rivendell models.  But that of course 
 would just be in theory.g 
  
 As a bike, the Cross Check is an excellent bike with a 130mm wide single 
 speed hub.  And I can convert mine to a 1x8or9 in about a half hour.
  
 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN
  

 On Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:25:42 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 wrote:

 Obviously, not everybody will want a single-speed conversion on a 
 non-dedicated SS bike. My point was more to explain, in part, why maybe the 
 SO/QB wasn't a better seller because of frames like the CC that, in 
 function, do the same thing, for less dough.

 Another factor that I think relevant to lagging sales: my exhaustive 
 demographic research suggests that RBW's target market is 58-year-old 
 upper-middle income types who own multiple bikes (including, perhaps, a 
 vintage frame that can be converted). Single-speed popularity tends to be 
 driven, I dare say, by relative youngsters who have only one bike that they 
 ride and lock up everywhere. It's not practical or fashionable in this 
 crowd to have a nice/expensive/new bike. Far more street cred is attached 
 to machines lovingly assembled from dumpster frames and parts.


On Sunday, April 8, 2012 8:27:37 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:

 Well, in theory, one could have a Surly Cross Check set up for single 
 speed, and still end up ordering a SimpleOne.  In part due to longer 
 chainstays, slightly lower bottom bracket, kewl green color and being the 
 last of the completely different Rivendell models.  But that of course 
 would just be in theory.g 
  
 As a bike, the Cross Check is an excellent bike with a 130mm wide single 
 speed hub.  And I can convert mine to a 1x8or9 in about a half hour.
  
 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN
  

 On Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:25:42 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 wrote:

 Obviously, not everybody will want a single-speed conversion on a 
 non-dedicated SS bike. My point was more to explain, in part, why maybe the 
 SO/QB wasn't a better seller because of frames like the CC that, in 
 function, do the same thing, for less dough.

 Another factor that I think relevant to lagging sales: my exhaustive 
 demographic research suggests that RBW's target market is 58-year-old 
 upper-middle income types who own multiple bikes (including, perhaps, a 
 vintage frame that can be converted). Single-speed popularity tends to be 
 driven, I dare say, by relative youngsters who have only one bike that they 
 ride and lock up everywhere. It's not practical or fashionable in this 
 crowd to have a nice/expensive/new bike. Far more street cred is attached 
 to machines lovingly assembled from dumpster frames and parts.



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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[PATRICK MOORE]

This explains my question to Ted earlier.

FWIW, in response to the poster who decried his mtb conversion
experience, I converted a nice old top-of-line Diamond Back Axis Team
into a ss all rounder with 60 mm Big Apples, fenders with air and a
~63 gear. Felt and handled wonderfully, but of course, in no way a
Rivendell. (160 mm Q btw with a custom Phil **145 mm** bb assembly! TA
Cyclotourist single.)

For me, the single most important qualities of the Rivs I've owned are
their impecable fit, feel and handling -- tho' I have reservations
about the Sam Hill. Everything else is relatively incidental.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think one of the cool things about the QB and Simple One is the 120mm rear
 spacing combined with the relatively huge tire clearance, which AFAIK is
 pretty unique.   You can run a fairly narrow tread crank setup with a 107mm
 BB and have get a decent chainline, and yet are able to fit tires up to 45s
 on the QB, or even 50s(?) with the Simple One. You also got the
 Rivendell geometry, lugs, rack and fenderability, build quality, etc.    All
 this is on top of those awesome 2 inch long angled dropouts.    I shift my
 QB now and then between roads and trails, and it comes in handy with for
 example 40/16, 40/19, 32/19 and 32/22 available.   It's a shame they were
 forced to discontinue them, I wish they had been more of a hit.



 On Sunday, April 8, 2012 8:27:37 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:

 Well, in theory, one could have a Surly Cross Check set up for single
 speed, and still end up ordering a SimpleOne.  In part due to longer
 chainstays, slightly lower bottom bracket, kewl green color and being the
 last of the completely different Rivendell models.  But that of course would
 just be in theory.g

 As a bike, the Cross Check is an excellent bike with a 130mm wide single
 speed hub.  And I can convert mine to a 1x8or9 in about a half hour.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN


 On Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:25:42 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:

 Obviously, not everybody will want a single-speed conversion on a
 non-dedicated SS bike. My point was more to explain, in part, why maybe the
 SO/QB wasn't a better seller because of frames like the CC that, in
 function, do the same thing, for less dough.

 Another factor that I think relevant to lagging sales: my exhaustive
 demographic research suggests that RBW's target market is 58-year-old
 upper-middle income types who own multiple bikes (including, perhaps, a
 vintage frame that can be converted). Single-speed popularity tends to be
 driven, I dare say, by relative youngsters who have only one bike that they
 ride and lock up everywhere. It's not practical or fashionable in this crowd
 to have a nice/expensive/new bike. Far more street cred is attached to
 machines lovingly assembled from dumpster frames and parts.


 On Sunday, April 8, 2012 8:27:37 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:

 Well, in theory, one could have a Surly Cross Check set up for single
 speed, and still end up ordering a SimpleOne.  In part due to longer
 chainstays, slightly lower bottom bracket, kewl green color and being the
 last of the completely different Rivendell models.  But that of course would
 just be in theory.g

 As a bike, the Cross Check is an excellent bike with a 130mm wide single
 speed hub.  And I can convert mine to a 1x8or9 in about a half hour.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN


 On Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:25:42 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:

 Obviously, not everybody will want a single-speed conversion on a
 non-dedicated SS bike. My point was more to explain, in part, why maybe the
 SO/QB wasn't a better seller because of frames like the CC that, in
 function, do the same thing, for less dough.

 Another factor that I think relevant to lagging sales: my exhaustive
 demographic research suggests that RBW's target market is 58-year-old
 upper-middle income types who own multiple bikes (including, perhaps, a
 vintage frame that can be converted). Single-speed popularity tends to be
 driven, I dare say, by relative youngsters who have only one bike that they
 ride and lock up everywhere. It's not practical or fashionable in this crowd
 to have a nice/expensive/new bike. Far more street cred is attached to
 machines lovingly assembled from dumpster frames and parts.

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Montclair BobbyB]

I sometimes find myself sitting there late at night with that SO frame
in my basket, and my finger on the mouse... sweating and fidgeting
nervously...
The ONLY thing that keeps me from pulling the trigger is my old
Japanese Nishiki Prestige, which I have set up as a SS... NOT having 2
kids in college, bills up the wazoo, or lack of space in the
garage...
No, it's having that old SS to simply jump on and pedal (with no
shifting) that saves me.

So advice to those who suffer like me... Get yourself an old Japanese
frame, convert is to a SS, and hope your willpower holds out...
Ultimately I may succumb to my urges, but for now (thank God) my
SShiki keeps these impulses at bay

BB


On Apr 5, 10:07 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
 The SimpleOne is the only Rivendell bicycle I own.I would like a
 Hunk or maybe a Sam not sure yet. Haven't ridden the SO over the
 winter much since my racked and lit ride is my  Trucker. Sunshine is
 coming and I plan on a gear modification/addition for the SO.

 On Mar 25, 12:27 pm, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com wrote:



  After only a week of riding my SimpleOne, I find it is fast becoming my
  favorite bike. I cannot pin down what quality it has that gives me such a
  joy to ride. I own a Rambouillet and a Surly LHT and it would be easy to
  make the argument that either one of those is way more practical for my
  purposes than the SimpleOne. I do love both of those bikes and would not
  easily give them up, but the SimpleOne has become my new best friend. I am
  grateful that I bought one before they disappeared.

  David Spranger

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Matt]

they are probably discontinued because they don't sell.

I remember reading on the Blug that he/Grant attributed the slump in 
SingleOne sales to the Sam Hilborne.  People who were interested in the SO 
were opting to buy the Hilborne instead.   

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[RJM]

I would have bought a SO instead of my Sam, but the Sam actually came in my 
size (small).  The SO would make a great 2nd bike for someone who has an 
Atlantis or Hunqapillar I would think.  
On Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:16:12 AM UTC-5, Matt wrote: 

 they are probably discontinued because they don't sell.

 I remember reading on the Blug that he/Grant attributed the slump in 
 SingleOne sales to the Sam Hilborne.  People who were interested in the SO 
 were opting to buy the Hilborne instead.   


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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Peter Pesce]

I have a Sam and a Quickbeam and have them set up quite differently, so 
they don't really overlap at all. I suppose you could make a single speed, 
stripped-down Sam, and do a 3x5 hack on a QB or SO and load it with 
luggage, but you'd be fighting the inherent nature of each bike. Riv seems 
too successful, sometimes, at making its bikes super versatile, so there is 
a lot more range overlap and cross-shopping between them.

I think it's also hard to appreciate the joys of a simple single until 
you've tried it. I know I sure didn't. 

Pete in CT

On Thursday, April 5, 2012 2:03:46 PM UTC-4, RJM wrote:

 I would have bought a SO instead of my Sam, but the Sam actually came in 
 my size (small).  The SO would make a great 2nd bike for someone who has an 
 Atlantis or Hunqapillar I would think.  
 On Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:16:12 AM UTC-5, Matt wrote: 

 they are probably discontinued because they don't sell.

 I remember reading on the Blug that he/Grant attributed the slump in 
 SingleOne sales to the Sam Hilborne.  People who were interested in the SO 
 were opting to buy the Hilborne instead.   



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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[charlie]

The SimpleOne is the only Rivendell bicycle I own.I would like a
Hunk or maybe a Sam not sure yet. Haven't ridden the SO over the
winter much since my racked and lit ride is my  Trucker. Sunshine is
coming and I plan on a gear modification/addition for the SO.

On Mar 25, 12:27 pm, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com wrote:
 After only a week of riding my SimpleOne, I find it is fast becoming my
 favorite bike. I cannot pin down what quality it has that gives me such a
 joy to ride. I own a Rambouillet and a Surly LHT and it would be easy to
 make the argument that either one of those is way more practical for my
 purposes than the SimpleOne. I do love both of those bikes and would not
 easily give them up, but the SimpleOne has become my new best friend. I am
 grateful that I bought one before they disappeared.

 David Spranger

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[iamkeith]

Yer killin' me.   Your post is exactly what I didn't want to ever
read.

 A single speed bike makes absolutely no sense for me, living in the
mountains and given the kind of on-road riding that I do.  But as much
as I love my decked-out Rambouillet, I thought I might enjoy riding
something lighter and simpler just for the sake of it - extravagent or
not.  So I thought about getting a Simple One both before and after
the close-out deal, but never quite jumped.  (Having a kid in college
makes spontaneous, irrational purchases difficult, even when you know
it's the bargain of the century.)  Sigh...

So I'm wondering:  Why did they discontinue these in the first place?
Anybody know?  Even though I wasn't in a position to get one quite
yet, it was the ONE current model that I actually covetted or planned
to eventually buy.  Everything else just seems to functionally
overlap too much with the Rambouillet that I alread  have.  I'm
curious...

On Mar 25, 1:27 pm, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com wrote:
 After only a week of riding my SimpleOne, I find it is fast becoming my
 favorite bike. I cannot pin down what quality it has that gives me such a
 joy to ride. I own a Rambouillet and a Surly LHT and it would be easy to
 make the argument that either one of those is way more practical for my
 purposes than the SimpleOne. I do love both of those bikes and would not
 easily give them up, but the SimpleOne has become my new best friend. I am
 grateful that I bought one before they disappeared.

 David Spranger

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Minh]

Keith,

I think the reason the SO was retired is that it';s a hard bike to justify on 
paper.  If you can only have 1 bike it doesn't feel versatile enough, if you 
already have a bike it's hard to see the need.  But let me tell you, once you 
get it, it's a great bike.  It's my favorite bike of the 4 i own, it just 
doesn't make sense on paper (a singlespeed steel bike, really?), but the 
combination of classic rivendell fit, lightness, speed, make this a great bike. 
 i could be overstating it since its the only singlespeed i own, but i love 
mine.  now that it's discont. wait a few years and snap one up second hand!

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[ted]

At the risk of stating the obvious, they are probably discontinued
because they don't sell. Despite a substantial time lag between the
last of the Quickbeams and the introduction of the SimpleOne it seems
they just weren't selling. Why else would they have been cleared out
at a steep discount. However, their not selling seems inexplicable to
me. Despite the bazillion fixies on the market, I don't think
anybody else has offered a dedicated single speed / fixed gear bike
with a real fork crown, fender eyelets (with room for fenders), and
all those braze on rack mounts.

I remain very happy with mine, and very glad I put money down on it
just as soon as I could.
I feel for those who were thinking they would get one after a while
and missed their chance.
They may be slow making it to the used market. I know mine isn't going
anywhere anytime soon (probably not till I'm dead and gone).

On Apr 2, 2:18 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote:
 Keith,

 I think the reason the SO was retired is that it';s a hard bike to justify on 
 paper.  If you can only have 1 bike it doesn't feel versatile enough, if you 
 already have a bike it's hard to see the need.  But let me tell you, once you 
 get it, it's a great bike.  It's my favorite bike of the 4 i own, it just 
 doesn't make sense on paper (a singlespeed steel bike, really?), but the 
 combination of classic rivendell fit, lightness, speed, make this a great 
 bike.  i could be overstating it since its the only singlespeed i own, but i 
 love mine.  now that it's discont. wait a few years and snap one up second 
 hand!

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Peter Pesce]

My new-to-me Quickbeam had a similar effect on me. My LHT is still the 
hauler/grocery bike, and my Sam is still the long-rides-with-hills bike, 
but I commute mostly on the QB now, and try to find more and more reasons 
to ride it other times too.

My QB is set up with alba bars, and there's just something about the 
relaxed feel of my riding position combined with the simplicity of the one 
gear that makes it the most enjoyable ride..

-Pete in CT

On Sunday, March 25, 2012 3:27:32 PM UTC-4, David Spranger wrote:

 After only a week of riding my SimpleOne, I find it is fast becoming my 
 favorite bike. I cannot pin down what quality it has that gives me such a 
 joy to ride. I own a Rambouillet and a Surly LHT and it would be easy to 
 make the argument that either one of those is way more practical for my 
 purposes than the SimpleOne. I do love both of those bikes and would not 
 easily give them up, but the SimpleOne has become my new best friend. I am 
 grateful that I bought one before they disappeared.

 David Spranger


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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne in progess and a question

[mike]

On Feb 19, 3:36 pm, Allingham II, Thomas J
thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:
 SimpleOne build coming along, pics 
 here.http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157629391118347/

 But what color bar tape?  Newbaum's eggplant with clear shellac, Newbaum's 
 maroon with clear shellac, or cork bar tape with amber?

 Thanks for any suggestions.

 Tom


Looks great Tom!

I've done a more 'economy build on my SimpleOne, but had some high
quality bits from the parts bin.

Front wheel in Suntour Superbe Pro hub to Mavic MA-40 rims.  Great
handbuilt wheel from 1986.
Rear wheel is a newly built Dura Ace track hub to Open Sport rims.
The crank is taken from a 1986 stumpjumper.  I removed the inner
chainring and bought a bash guard ring from 
http://www.bbgbashguard.com/superlights.html
It's geared 36/16 now, but I may be tweaking that soon.  It's low
enough to get me up the hill on my homeward commute.  I can spin
comfortably at 17 MPH, and a bit faster for short distances.  I'm not
trying to race this thing!
I had noodle bars, but they just weren't quite right, and have just
switched to flat bars.  Contrary to some notes on the RBW info, I like
flat bars with a bar-end hand grip, but I don't have much distance on
those bars yet.  Beautiful zero degree CrMo bar from Nitto.

I'm a tweaker, so things _will_ change.  I enjoy it now!

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