Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 21:10 -0700, William wrote: I'd buy one of those Rivendells, if they didn't all need one of those 'signature' drivetrains. Drivetrains just act as a shelf to collect mud. I'm going to order one of those drivetrainless bikes, so I can remain mud free when I slog through the mud. Like this, http://media.dwell.com/images/314*314/ReForm-School-Amish-scooter.jpg you mean? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
I wish the Riv/Soma frame didn't have Riv's new signature kickstand plate. I recall seeing a photo of someone's Hilsen (maybe Cyclofiend's?) that had been CX-raced in the mud. And the kickstand plate acted as a mud shelf, piling it up high behind the seat tube. The kickstand plate seems to limit the versatility of the frame, without really giving you any significant benefits. After all, you can always add a kickstand to a frame without a plate. But you can't take a plate off a frame without labors that would require a re-paint. Other than convenience for those who use kickstands, what's to be gained by having the built-in plate? I just don't get it. I've often been tempted by the Hillborne, but I balk because of that darned kickstand plate, which is entirely useless to me, and would likely only be a liability given the sometimes-mucky off-roading I'd want to do on it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 15:08 -0700, Aaron Thomas wrote: The kickstand plate seems to limit the versatility of the frame, without really giving you any significant benefits. After all, you can always add a kickstand to a frame without a plate. Yes, sure, if you're willing to risk the chance of crushing or crimping the chain stays when you bolt the kickstand on. I've seen more than one bike damaged that way. No chance of doing that with a chainstay plate. Other than cyclocross, which I would rather be flayed and have my flesh salted than consider, what other possible bicycling activity could be hampered or harmed by the presence of a kickstand plate? I have two Kogswell P/Rs. One is set up as a porteur, and it has a double-legged kickstand, bolted to the kickstand plate. The other is my touring bike (and used to be my commuter). It has no kickstand, but it does have a kickstand plate. I've used that second P/R for every type of riding I do, with and without a touring load, including riding on gravel roads, and have never had one moment's inconvenience from the kickstand plate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
If you are in the market for a $1000 range cyclocross frameset with optimal mud clearance, I agree that the Soma San Marcos is not your best choice. Nor is the Hillborne. On Apr 7, 3:08 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: I wish the Riv/Soma frame didn't have Riv's new signature kickstand plate. I recall seeing a photo of someone's Hilsen (maybe Cyclofiend's?) that had been CX-raced in the mud. And the kickstand plate acted as a mud shelf, piling it up high behind the seat tube. The kickstand plate seems to limit the versatility of the frame, without really giving you any significant benefits. After all, you can always add a kickstand to a frame without a plate. But you can't take a plate off a frame without labors that would require a re-paint. Other than convenience for those who use kickstands, what's to be gained by having the built-in plate? I just don't get it. I've often been tempted by the Hillborne, but I balk because of that darned kickstand plate, which is entirely useless to me, and would likely only be a liability given the sometimes-mucky off-roading I'd want to do on it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
Winter riding. Even with full coverage fenders, snow/salt/slush accumulate on a plate. I still argue this can lead to early corrosion of the stays when it builds up over a few winters. (A similar argument was recently conducted on the Surly LHT list. Someone there indicated to me a powdercoat frame will not rust. Silly me. Need to tell my barely one year old LHT that has two winters on it the rust on the frame is fictional.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 7, 5:28 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 15:08 -0700, Aaron Thomas wrote: The kickstand plate seems to limit the versatility of the frame, without really giving you any significant benefits. After all, you can always add a kickstand to a frame without a plate. Yes, sure, if you're willing to risk the chance of crushing or crimping the chain stays when you bolt the kickstand on. I've seen more than one bike damaged that way. No chance of doing that with a chainstay plate. Other than cyclocross, which I would rather be flayed and have my flesh salted than consider, what other possible bicycling activity could be hampered or harmed by the presence of a kickstand plate? I have two Kogswell P/Rs. One is set up as a porteur, and it has a double-legged kickstand, bolted to the kickstand plate. The other is my touring bike (and used to be my commuter). It has no kickstand, but it does have a kickstand plate. I've used that second P/R for every type of riding I do, with and without a touring load, including riding on gravel roads, and have never had one moment's inconvenience from the kickstand plate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 18:14 -0700, EricP wrote: Winter riding. Even with full coverage fenders, snow/salt/slush accumulate on a plate. I still argue this can lead to early corrosion of the stays when it builds up over a few winters. Certainly not a problem here in Northern Virginia. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
Lucky! Did you get any information regarding pricing and release date? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
on 4/7/11 3:08 PM, Aaron Thomas at aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: I wish the Riv/Soma frame didn't have Riv's new signature kickstand plate. I recall seeing a photo of someone's Hilsen (maybe Cyclofiend's?) that had been CX-raced in the mud. And the kickstand plate acted as a mud shelf, piling it up high behind the seat tube. The kickstand plate seems to limit the versatility of the frame, without really giving you any significant benefits. After all, you can always add a kickstand to a frame without a plate. But you can't take a plate off a frame without labors that would require a re-paint. Other than convenience for those who use kickstands, what's to be gained by having the built-in plate? I just don't get it. I've often been tempted by the Hillborne, but I balk because of that darned kickstand plate, which is entirely useless to me, and would likely only be a liability given the sometimes-mucky off-roading I'd want to do on it. Yep. That was mine. And just to be clear, that was SERIOUS mud. Slip-sliding-strictly-sticky-significantly-saucy-spirit-sucking SERIOUS mud http://vimeo.com/3387689 Yeah, it stacked up on the kickstand plate, http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/3285145851/in/set-72157613897340235 but it stuck to the drivetrain pretty seriously as well. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/3285966758 There were full-bore chainstay-bridgeless CX frames that bogged down that day. IIRC, someone took images of all the goobered-over brakes that day - it's somewhere on flickr. In short, I've not had that type of results before or since - and I've covered a pretty good assortment of conditions, both fendered and non.If I were getting a CX-specific frame, I wouldn't ask for it, but as far as a mixed-terrain monster, its significance could be overstated... - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com There were messengers who named their bikes, but Chevette never would have done that, and somehow because she did think about it like it was something alive. William Gibson - Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
I'm more intrigued by this bike all the time. I agree with others that 1.125 stems are an improvement, headset adjustment wise. But I still prefer 1-inch quill stems, aesthetically, so that's a plus to me. And downtube shifter bosses - hella yes! And if you don't like em, see if your LBS has some of those old-school sweet Dura-Ace barrel adjusters or get some on the 'Bay. But I also agree that the kickstand plate is a bummer. Practical sure. My wife would say a plus. But no way would I personally put a kickstand on this bike, so aesthetically It's just hangin' there picking up muck. And I'm no fan of sloping downtubes which I understand this has a bit. Other than lugs, what do folks see as the main differences between the (maybe) San Marcos and the Sam? And finally, if I get one, am I a Rivendell Owner, or a tolerated bastard cousin? Mike On Apr 1, 12:08 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody heard the lastest about the release of the bike they are working on together? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
I was in SF on business and lucked into enough time to take Bart out to Walnut Creek to visit Riv. I was fortunate enough to be able to ride the very Soma pictured in the Riv PDF. When I came back after a spin my face was hurting...from smiling so much. I would order one in a heartbeat if I had the $$. of course the Sam was very fun to ride as well...hmmm Picture here http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryans_rando/5361986632/in/set-72157625714000291/ Ryan W.Seattle On Apr 5, 2:32 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I would specualate that since the bike is using Riv style lugs that it dictates the steerer size. Same thing with the Roadeo. Somewhere in Grants style of blogging there was a more recent post on the upcoming bike. Ok found ithttps://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf Kind of like a poor man's roadeo or Ramb I think Rob On Apr 5, 11:33 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 4, 2:03 pm, davidfrench nydavidfo...@gmail.com wrote: maybe here : http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/01/rivendell-collaborates-with-soma-... I agree with one of the commenters, I don't understand why it will have 1 threaded fork/headset. Sorry, but in today's market THREADLESS headset should be standard. They could still stay with 1 as there are shims to fit 1.25 stems. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
maybe here : http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/01/rivendell-collaborates-with-soma-on.html On Apr 1, 4:59 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: True, but I figured summer 2011--maybe? Ryan On Apr 1, 1:53 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully March 19,2010 is not really the latest. :) Calling Merry Sales is probably the best way to get that info. On Apr 1, 1:40 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/216 Ryan On Apr 1, 12:08 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody heard the lastest about the release of the bike they are working on together? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
On Apr 4, 2:03 pm, davidfrench nydavidfo...@gmail.com wrote: maybe here : http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/01/rivendell-collaborates-with-soma-... I agree with one of the commenters, I don't understand why it will have 1 threaded fork/headset. Sorry, but in today's market THREADLESS headset should be standard. They could still stay with 1 as there are shims to fit 1.25 stems. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
They could still stay with 1 as there are shims to fit 1.25 stems. and there are adapters so they can stay with 1 threaded and still fit threadless stems. Also I presume you mean 1.125. On Apr 5, 11:33 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 4, 2:03 pm, davidfrench nydavidfo...@gmail.com wrote: maybe here : http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/01/rivendell-collaborates-with-soma-... I agree with one of the commenters, I don't understand why it will have 1 threaded fork/headset. Sorry, but in today's market THREADLESS headset should be standard. They could still stay with 1 as there are shims to fit 1.25 stems. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
Does anyone know how much it will cost? And, second, what current or recent Rivendell model will this most closely approximate? Tange Prestige: I remember when that was really high end stuff, at least in the marketing literature. The tubing had a nice, clear ping when you flicked it with your fingernail, unlike the dull thud of lesser steels. (Wish they didn't have those ugly and useless dt shifter bosses, tho' ...) On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:03 PM, davidfrench nydavidfo...@gmail.com wrote: maybe here : http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/01/rivendell-collaborates-with-soma-on.html On Apr 1, 4:59 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: True, but I figured summer 2011--maybe? Ryan On Apr 1, 1:53 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully March 19,2010 is not really the latest. :) Calling Merry Sales is probably the best way to get that info. On Apr 1, 1:40 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/216 Ryan On Apr 1, 12:08 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody heard the lastest about the release of the bike they are working on together? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
On Apr 5, 1:41 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: They could still stay with 1 as there are shims to fit 1.25 stems. and there are adapters so they can stay with 1 threaded and still fit threadless stems. That's true, but those adapters are alot more bulky than incorporating a threadless stem in the design. Further, if you want this frame to attract more riders, threadless is more modern and will be more familiar to younger riders. Also I presume you mean 1.125. Thanks, that's right. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
1.125 threadless is certainly the MOST mainstream, but I don't think I'd advise Riv or even Soma to grow their business by becoming more mainstream. 1 threaded is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are important. 1.125 threadless is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are entirely unimportant. On Apr 5, 1:54 pm, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 5, 1:41 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: They could still stay with 1 as there are shims to fit 1.25 stems. and there are adapters so they can stay with 1 threaded and still fit threadless stems. That's true, but those adapters are alot more bulky than incorporating a threadless stem in the design. Further, if you want this frame to attract more riders, threadless is more modern and will be more familiar to younger riders. Also I presume you mean 1.125. Thanks, that's right. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:09 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1.125 threadless is certainly the MOST mainstream, but I don't think I'd advise Riv or even Soma to grow their business by becoming more mainstream. 1 threaded is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are important. 1.125 threadless is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are entirely unimportant. Well said. Getting them bars up is much simpler on a quill stem (and much simpler to play with later) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
I would specualate that since the bike is using Riv style lugs that it dictates the steerer size. Same thing with the Roadeo. Somewhere in Grants style of blogging there was a more recent post on the upcoming bike. Ok found it https://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf Kind of like a poor man's roadeo or Ramb I think Rob On Apr 5, 11:33 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 4, 2:03 pm, davidfrench nydavidfo...@gmail.com wrote: maybe here : http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/01/rivendell-collaborates-with-soma-... I agree with one of the commenters, I don't understand why it will have 1 threaded fork/headset. Sorry, but in today's market THREADLESS headset should be standard. They could still stay with 1 as there are shims to fit 1.25 stems. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
On Apr 5, 2:09 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1.125 threadless is certainly the MOST mainstream, but I don't think I'd advise Riv or even Soma to grow their business by becoming more mainstream. Why not? If you offer things familiar to what people want, it will sell. Further, Riv does offer or once offered a threadless version on at least a couple of its bikes: Roadeo: http://assets.rivbike.com/images/products/full//3108/mark_s_roadeo.jpg Legolas (currently not offered): http://tandemhearts.com/coppermine/albums/legolas/legolas_03.jpg And I'm sure there are more than one Riv Custom frameset that use threadless. I'm not the only one who likes threadless. One of the original retrogrouches himself, Jobst Brandt (hope he recovers from his accident soon!) believes they are an *improvement* over threaded headsets and quill stems: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/threadless-headset.html 1 threaded is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are important. 1.125 threadless is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are entirely unimportant. I didn't just suggest 1.125 threadless, as I did state that 1 threadless with a shim could be an option. Further, how many people really adjust their stems up and down once they've been set? Moreover, unless you cut the steerer tube too short, spacers can be added or removed. Finally, there are stems that rise. Again, these are just suggestion to *attract* people to this new frameset. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
On Apr 5, 2:32 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I would specualate that since the bike is using Riv style lugs that it dictates the steerer size. Same thing with the Roadeo. Somewhere in Grants style of blogging there was a more recent post on the upcoming bike. Ok found ithttps://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf Kind of like a poor man's roadeo or Ramb I think But the Roadeo can be ordered with a threadless stem: http://www.adventurecorps.com/corpscamp/2010/dvshow2/images/DSC03393.jpg You can also get Rivendell Custom bikes with threadless stems too: http://assets.rivbike.com/images/products/full//2715/rc7.jpg Finally, more than one staffer at Riv uses threadless: Vaughn: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/staff-bikes/50-998 and of course, both of Mark's bikes have them too: http://assets.rivbike.com/images/products/full//3603/staff19.jpg http://assets.rivbike.com/images/products/full//3690/staffbike6.jpg Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
I've come to appreciate threadless. The ease of setting them is fantastic. If I were going to get a new bike, I would prefer it. I don't know of any downside to them, other than they don't look good with high bars on a too-small frame. I think they look nicer than the big 7 of a quill stem sticking way up there though. Plus I don't like a big hung of pointy steel aimed at my genitals when I'm trail riding. As bfd mentioned, once you have the position set, presuming you don't cut the steerer you have lots of adjustability. You have to get a new stem to adjust for reach, but you have to do that with a quill stem as well. And the open face plate for bar changes is wonderful, although used rarely. My $.02 On 4/5/11, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2:09 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1.125 threadless is certainly the MOST mainstream, but I don't think I'd advise Riv or even Soma to grow their business by becoming more mainstream. Why not? If you offer things familiar to what people want, it will sell. Further, Riv does offer or once offered a threadless version on at least a couple of its bikes: Roadeo: http://assets.rivbike.com/images/products/full//3108/mark_s_roadeo.jpg Legolas (currently not offered): http://tandemhearts.com/coppermine/albums/legolas/legolas_03.jpg And I'm sure there are more than one Riv Custom frameset that use threadless. I'm not the only one who likes threadless. One of the original retrogrouches himself, Jobst Brandt (hope he recovers from his accident soon!) believes they are an *improvement* over threaded headsets and quill stems: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/threadless-headset.html 1 threaded is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are important. 1.125 threadless is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are entirely unimportant. I didn't just suggest 1.125 threadless, as I did state that 1 threadless with a shim could be an option. Further, how many people really adjust their stems up and down once they've been set? Moreover, unless you cut the steerer tube too short, spacers can be added or removed. Finally, there are stems that rise. Again, these are just suggestion to *attract* people to this new frameset. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
Don't know the answers, but from what I can gather, present Prestige has little to no relation to the old Prestige tubing. That was light, heat treated tubing that had some serious restrictions on it for frame builders. (This is all from 25 year old memories, so take with a grain of salt.) If remembering correctly, the old Prestige actually had a weight limit for riders. Never threw a leg over a bike built by one for that reason. Even though today's Prestige doesn't have that weight limit, still won't buy a bike built with it. Mental block on my part. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 5, 3:46 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know how much it will cost? And, second, what current or recent Rivendell model will this most closely approximate? Tange Prestige: I remember when that was really high end stuff, at least in the marketing literature. The tubing had a nice, clear ping when you flicked it with your fingernail, unlike the dull thud of lesser steels. (Wish they didn't have those ugly and useless dt shifter bosses, tho' ...) On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:03 PM, davidfrench nydavidfo...@gmail.com wrote: maybe here : http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/01/rivendell-collaborates-with-soma-... On Apr 1, 4:59 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: True, but I figured summer 2011--maybe? Ryan On Apr 1, 1:53 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully March 19,2010 is not really the latest. :) Calling Merry Sales is probably the best way to get that info. On Apr 1, 1:40 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/216 Ryan On Apr 1, 12:08 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody heard the lastest about the release of the bike they are working on together? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
Thanks. Do you know if the new Prestige is still thinwall heat treated? My 1991 Specialized Stumpjumper Team was the old Prestige and it was a very nice frame indeed; I don't remember hearing of any weight limit -- my brother Peter, a good 40-50 lb heavier than my 170, had no problem beating up similar frames. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:39 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Don't know the answers, but from what I can gather, present Prestige has little to no relation to the old Prestige tubing. That was light, heat treated tubing that had some serious restrictions on it for frame builders. (This is all from 25 year old memories, so take with a grain of salt.) If remembering correctly, the old Prestige actually had a weight limit for riders. Never threw a leg over a bike built by one for that reason. Even though today's Prestige doesn't have that weight limit, still won't buy a bike built with it. Mental block on my part. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 5, 3:46 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know how much it will cost? And, second, what current or recent Rivendell model will this most closely approximate? Tange Prestige: I remember when that was really high end stuff, at least in the marketing literature. The tubing had a nice, clear ping when you flicked it with your fingernail, unlike the dull thud of lesser steels. (Wish they didn't have those ugly and useless dt shifter bosses, tho' ...) On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:03 PM, davidfrench nydavidfo...@gmail.com wrote: maybe here : http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/01/rivendell-collaborates-with-soma-. .. On Apr 1, 4:59 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: True, but I figured summer 2011--maybe? Ryan On Apr 1, 1:53 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully March 19,2010 is not really the latest. :) Calling Merry Sales is probably the best way to get that info. On Apr 1, 1:40 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/216 Ryan On Apr 1, 12:08 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody heard the lastest about the release of the bike they are working on together? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
Hmm, crotchal safety and unimportant differentiators in the same sentence... Ryan On Apr 5, 5:39 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't believe anybody is handwringing over whatever their front end format is. Both threaded and threadless work and work well. bfd's assertion was that more Soma San Marcos framesets would be sold if it were spec'd with a 1 threadless fork, because threadless is mainstream even though 1 threadless is not mainstream. I don't think there are many potential buyers who would tell you that 1 threadless is their first choice. The point that bfd didn't make was that from a business standpoint, if I was Merry Sales, and if I wanted to keep the price as low as possible, I'd seriously consider offering only one fork for all sizes and drop the price of the frameset. That, I think, would generate more sales, and could only be done with...wait for it...threadless. There's already a precedent for one fork rake across lots of sizes for the budget Rivendell frames. If Soma wanted to offer the San Marcos at a lower price, and wanted to get there with a threadless fork, then I could definitely believe that might yield more sales. I doubt there are a lot of buyers who say this frameset right here is perfect for me, but I don't like the headset type so I won't buy it. They'll disqualify on price, weight, fit, even color, but headset? I don't think so. I could be wrong. FWIW, I've had all the headset formats and all of them worked fine, including 1-1/4 threaded and 1 threadless. When it comes down to looks and how nervous you are about crotchal safety, I'd say we're into the unimportant differentiators. On Apr 5, 3:34 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I've come to appreciate threadless. The ease of setting them is fantastic. If I were going to get a new bike, I would prefer it. I don't know of any downside to them, other than they don't look good with high bars on a too-small frame. I think they look nicer than the big 7 of a quill stem sticking way up there though. Plus I don't like a big hung of pointy steel aimed at my genitals when I'm trail riding. As bfd mentioned, once you have the position set, presuming you don't cut the steerer you have lots of adjustability. You have to get a new stem to adjust for reach, but you have to do that with a quill stem as well. And the open face plate for bar changes is wonderful, although used rarely. My $.02 On 4/5/11, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2:09 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1.125 threadless is certainly the MOST mainstream, but I don't think I'd advise Riv or even Soma to grow their business by becoming more mainstream. Why not? If you offer things familiar to what people want, it will sell. Further, Riv does offer or once offered a threadless version on at least a couple of its bikes: Roadeo: http://assets.rivbike.com/images/products/full//3108/mark_s_roade... Legolas (currently not offered): http://tandemhearts.com/coppermine/albums/legolas/legolas_03.jpg And I'm sure there are more than one Riv Custom frameset that use threadless. I'm not the only one who likes threadless. One of the original retrogrouches himself, Jobst Brandt (hope he recovers from his accident soon!) believes they are an *improvement* over threaded headsets and quill stems: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/threadless-headset.html 1 threaded is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are important. 1.125 threadless is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are entirely unimportant. I didn't just suggest 1.125 threadless, as I did state that 1 threadless with a shim could be an option. Further, how many people really adjust their stems up and down once they've been set? Moreover, unless you cut the steerer tube too short, spacers can be added or removed. Finally, there are stems that rise. Again, these are just suggestion to *attract* people to this new frameset. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
I've got three kids, so have done my part to perpetuate the species... it's all extranious bits now I suppose. On 4/5/11, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Hmm, crotchal safety and unimportant differentiators in the same sentence... Ryan On Apr 5, 5:39 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't believe anybody is handwringing over whatever their front end format is. Both threaded and threadless work and work well. bfd's assertion was that more Soma San Marcos framesets would be sold if it were spec'd with a 1 threadless fork, because threadless is mainstream even though 1 threadless is not mainstream. I don't think there are many potential buyers who would tell you that 1 threadless is their first choice. The point that bfd didn't make was that from a business standpoint, if I was Merry Sales, and if I wanted to keep the price as low as possible, I'd seriously consider offering only one fork for all sizes and drop the price of the frameset. That, I think, would generate more sales, and could only be done with...wait for it...threadless. There's already a precedent for one fork rake across lots of sizes for the budget Rivendell frames. If Soma wanted to offer the San Marcos at a lower price, and wanted to get there with a threadless fork, then I could definitely believe that might yield more sales. I doubt there are a lot of buyers who say this frameset right here is perfect for me, but I don't like the headset type so I won't buy it. They'll disqualify on price, weight, fit, even color, but headset? I don't think so. I could be wrong. FWIW, I've had all the headset formats and all of them worked fine, including 1-1/4 threaded and 1 threadless. When it comes down to looks and how nervous you are about crotchal safety, I'd say we're into the unimportant differentiators. On Apr 5, 3:34 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I've come to appreciate threadless. The ease of setting them is fantastic. If I were going to get a new bike, I would prefer it. I don't know of any downside to them, other than they don't look good with high bars on a too-small frame. I think they look nicer than the big 7 of a quill stem sticking way up there though. Plus I don't like a big hung of pointy steel aimed at my genitals when I'm trail riding. As bfd mentioned, once you have the position set, presuming you don't cut the steerer you have lots of adjustability. You have to get a new stem to adjust for reach, but you have to do that with a quill stem as well. And the open face plate for bar changes is wonderful, although used rarely. My $.02 On 4/5/11, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2:09 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1.125 threadless is certainly the MOST mainstream, but I don't think I'd advise Riv or even Soma to grow their business by becoming more mainstream. Why not? If you offer things familiar to what people want, it will sell. Further, Riv does offer or once offered a threadless version on at least a couple of its bikes: Roadeo: http://assets.rivbike.com/images/products/full//3108/mark_s_roade... Legolas (currently not offered): http://tandemhearts.com/coppermine/albums/legolas/legolas_03.jpg And I'm sure there are more than one Riv Custom frameset that use threadless. I'm not the only one who likes threadless. One of the original retrogrouches himself, Jobst Brandt (hope he recovers from his accident soon!) believes they are an *improvement* over threaded headsets and quill stems: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/threadless-headset.html 1 threaded is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are important. 1.125 threadless is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are entirely unimportant. I didn't just suggest 1.125 threadless, as I did state that 1 threadless with a shim could be an option. Further, how many people really adjust their stems up and down once they've been set? Moreover, unless you cut the steerer tube too short, spacers can be added or removed. Finally, there are stems that rise. Again, these are just suggestion to *attract* people to this new frameset. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
On Apr 5, 6:38 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Do you know if the new Prestige is still thinwall heat treated? My 1991 Specialized Stumpjumper Team was the old Prestige and it was a very nice frame indeed; I don't remember hearing of any weight limit -- my brother Peter, a good 40-50 lb heavier than my 170, had no problem beating up similar frames. Patrick, Here are some specs to help you decide. The specs for the current Prestige tubing: http://www.tange-design.com/products_detail.php?sn=161 Here's the specs on the older Prestige tubing: http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/tange/Tange-road-tubing-I.jpg As you can see the old Prestige came in several different forms. The current Prestige only in one with an Ultimate tubing be the lightest/ top of the line. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
Interesting; thanks for posting that. I wonder what my frame was made from: certainly oversized and quite light, but doubtless not as thinwall as tubing for light road racers. Actually, I think a good part of the bike's appeal was the frame design: IIRC, it was well balanced: not to twitchy, not too slow and, in particular, the front end seemed easier to keep straight over soft surfaces than some other mtbs I have owned. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:51 PM, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 5, 6:38 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Do you know if the new Prestige is still thinwall heat treated? My 1991 Specialized Stumpjumper Team was the old Prestige and it was a very nice frame indeed; I don't remember hearing of any weight limit -- my brother Peter, a good 40-50 lb heavier than my 170, had no problem beating up similar frames. Patrick, Here are some specs to help you decide. The specs for the current Prestige tubing: http://www.tange-design.com/products_detail.php?sn=161 Here's the specs on the older Prestige tubing: http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/tange/Tange-road-tubing-I.jpg As you can see the old Prestige came in several different forms. The current Prestige only in one with an Ultimate tubing be the lightest/ top of the line. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/216 Ryan On Apr 1, 12:08 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody heard the lastest about the release of the bike they are working on together? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
Hopefully March 19,2010 is not really the latest. :) Calling Merry Sales is probably the best way to get that info. On Apr 1, 1:40 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/216 Ryan On Apr 1, 12:08 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody heard the lastest about the release of the bike they are working on together? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
I asked Soma about this, and they said they will do a blog post when they have more information. Nothing as of yet. Eric On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully March 19,2010 is not really the latest. :) Calling Merry Sales is probably the best way to get that info. On Apr 1, 1:40 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/216 Ryan On Apr 1, 12:08 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody heard the lastest about the release of the bike they are working on together? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike
True, but I figured summer 2011--maybe? Ryan On Apr 1, 1:53 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully March 19,2010 is not really the latest. :) Calling Merry Sales is probably the best way to get that info. On Apr 1, 1:40 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/216 Ryan On Apr 1, 12:08 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody heard the lastest about the release of the bike they are working on together? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
