Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
If you had told them about the upright bars, they would have loaded you on a lumbering city bike with 900-g tires and 3-speed SA at best. When you buy 10,000 widgets at a time, you can't afford for your customers to be individualists - what, they think they're special? You want your bike to be comfortable? Then you want a Comfort bike. We can sell you anything we have here - just what you need, right? On Sunday, February 2, 2014 9:47:52 PM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote: Well, I'm disappointed. Since Grant advertised some small bikes (like the Saluki), I was hoping she'd opt for that. A well-made small bike is supposed to be a treasure - G says most small bikes are designed wacky. (Pretty sure I have that right, but if I've misquoted, show no hesitation to set me straight.) When it was my turn to bike shop, I ALMOST fell into the bike shop trap and was *this close* to purchasing a Specialized Ruby that was somehow going to work for my bike commuting, shopping and pulling a trailer. Carbon was the best, I was told. A salesman said to me (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) that he could tell I was going to be a racer someday. If you knew me, that would throw you into fits of hysterics. I'm happy she has a shiny new bike, but I'm highly suspicious her best interests were the top priority for the bike shop. Maybe I'm an anomaly, but until Rivendell, I never got offered what was best for me. I got offered what the bike companies said was best: high-quality plastic, low bars, cutting-edge this and that. I was made to feel less important because I desired usefulness on the bike instead of lightness and swiftness. I kept thinking, You know those upright bars on my old childhood bikes? Wow, those were nice... I'd have never admitted it to the bike sales guys, though My son begs me to read The Berenstein Bears The Bike Lesson most nights. The cub receives a shiny red bicycle with fenders, swept-back bars, and a wide, sprung saddle. Warms my heart :) I hope she loves her Trek, really I do, but you be there for her when she realizes she has a wacky bike for trail-riding, Anne! Maybe, just maybe, there will be a tiny Saluki left in Grant's collection of small bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
Find this whole conversation interesting. While I consider any tire 38mm too skinny to ride, a number of friends are now at the point where anything under 50mm is too skinny. Guess I could say that tastes change and people adapt. And that line of thinking is starting to make more sense to me. Honestly, in the past couple weeks have been toying with selling both my Rivendell bikes and buying something that takes at least a 2.5 inch wide tire. For my type of riding, and considering the continuing deterioration of road conditions, it's seeming to be more logical. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Granted, they're not the best for gravel, but 700x25 tires look pretty darn wide to most cyclists, who are used to seeing 700x20 or 23 tires. I have a set on the Motobecane that I purchased from Patrick in ABQ, and I've had people ask me if they are 30-something in width. Going from 700x20 to 700x25 isn't getting you all the way to a set of 42mm-wide Grand Bois, but it's a step in the right direction and plenty wide for most people, who will probably do 99.9% of their riding on smooth pavement. Maybe having a bike that will accommodate 700x28 will encourage this person to try those out ... and I can testify based on personal experience that 700x28 is a pretty darn good tire size as well. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
I rode 30 country miles yesterday on 32s at 55/60 psi and thought they were great. when I look at 28s these day I wonder who in the world can be comfy on something like that. I used to ride 23s and 25s all the time. You know, beofre I started to just ride. I think your Rivs are too big for me, but which ones do you have again? On 2/2/2014 7:49 AM, Eric Platt wrote: Find this whole conversation interesting. While I consider any tire 38mm too skinny to ride, a number of friends are now at the point where anything under 50mm is too skinny. Guess I could say that tastes change and people adapt. And that line of thinking is starting to make more sense to me. Honestly, in the past couple weeks have been toying with selling both my Rivendell bikes and buying something that takes at least a 2.5 inch wide tire. For my type of riding, and considering the continuing deterioration of road conditions, it's seeming to be more logical. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
It's very easy to walk into a bike shop and get fitted for a bike - they have a machine for that, and the guy in the shop is an expert and he has opinions. He's also plugged into the system and he sells it. Her purchase is the normal outcome of looking for a bike that fits. The good news is she is riding the bike and happy with it. As her riding interests expand, maybe her next bike will be steel... On Sunday, February 2, 2014 7:54:45 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote: I rode 30 country miles yesterday on 32s at 55/60 psi and thought they were great. when I look at 28s these day I wonder who in the world can be comfy on something like that. I used to ride 23s and 25s all the time. You know, beofre I started to just ride. I think your Rivs are too big for me, but which ones do you have again? On 2/2/2014 7:49 AM, Eric Platt wrote: Find this whole conversation interesting. While I consider any tire 38mm too skinny to ride, a number of friends are now at the point where anything under 50mm is too skinny. Guess I could say that tastes change and people adapt. And that line of thinking is starting to make more sense to me. Honestly, in the past couple weeks have been toying with selling both my Rivendell bikes and buying something that takes at least a 2.5 inch wide tire. For my type of riding, and considering the continuing deterioration of road conditions, it's seeming to be more logical. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
I'm very happy someone found the means to buy a new bike that satisfies them. My hope is that they enjoy it! Live, let live and just ride. -Justin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
I know plenty of people astride NASA carbon and 23s who enjoy riding possibly more than I do. They wear dress loafers to the beach. I wear flip flops in the rain. We still enjoy a beer together. Any Bike No Bike, Spice of Life, Ape Shall Not Kill Ape, etc. Jeff Hagedorn San Diego, CA USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
A lot of people are trying to apply reverse snobbery to this discussion where it doesn't exist. Whether it's fly fishing or bicycling, there is a marketing machine turning 10,000 Chinese widgets at a time, and they have to sell them by scientifically pandering to egos. Everyone is happy she is riding her new bicycle - no one is adverse to her enthusiasm. But this board is built around Rivendell as the benchmark and subculture for cycling, and it is our goal to get the word out about that benchmark and why we think it is beneficial compared to widgets. On Sunday, February 2, 2014 11:43:48 AM UTC-6, sameness wrote: I know plenty of people astride NASA carbon and 23s who enjoy riding possibly more than I do. They wear dress loafers to the beach. I wear flip flops in the rain. We still enjoy a beer together. Any Bike No Bike, Spice of Life, Ape Shall Not Kill Ape, etc. Jeff Hagedorn San Diego, CA USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
I totally agree and have no criticism for the woman who bought the bike. I have a very specific criticism of bike sellers (large or small) who misinform people about triples, who insist that low front gears have to be compromised just because front indexing is seen as indispensable. The 100/74 BCD crank exists, it's good, and countless people have few mechanical issues using this kind of triple to get very low gears (24T or 26T front). I think a lot of people are well served by this kind of gearing in areas that have the long, steep hills. This woman was planning to ride in an area that has such hills, and I don't know the full story, but if she communicated those riding plans and said she was interested in a triple, then the shop failed her by only telling part of the story regarding triples. If he told the her that a road triple (50x40x30 in the front) often has some trouble working well with brifters and she'd be better off with a compact double with its 34F x 28R low, then so far, not such bad advice. But that doesn't complete the story. Lower gears than that are still possible (on a road bike) in a way that does NOT lead to mechanical headaches. We all know. Shouldn't they? They work in bikes. I don't. And it's not like you have to be totally on the fringe of the industry to know about the existence of cranks like the Sugino XD. Doesn't the Long Haul Trucker come stock with a small ring of either 24T or 26T? Wouldn't most shops be aware of this? - Jim W. p.s. Now if this shop found a simple way to set her up with a 50x34 double in front and a cassette in the rear that goes all the way to 36 so her low gear would be 34F x 36R, then I take it all back! On Feb 2, 2014, at 9:11 AM, justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: I'm very happy someone found the means to buy a new bike that satisfies them. My hope is that they enjoy it! Live, let live and just ride. -Justin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
Yes! On Feb 2, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Ron Mc wrote: A lot of people are trying to apply reverse snobbery to this discussion where it doesn't exist. Whether it's fly fishing or bicycling, there is a marketing machine turning 10,000 Chinese widgets at a time, and they have to sell them by scientifically pandering to egos. Everyone is happy she is riding her new bicycle - no one is adverse to her enthusiasm. But this board is built around Rivendell as the benchmark and subculture for cycling, and it is our goal to get the word out about that benchmark and why we think it is beneficial compared to widgets. On Sunday, February 2, 2014 11:43:48 AM UTC-6, sameness wrote: I know plenty of people astride NASA carbon and 23s who enjoy riding possibly more than I do. They wear dress loafers to the beach. I wear flip flops in the rain. We still enjoy a beer together. Any Bike No Bike, Spice of Life, Ape Shall Not Kill Ape, etc. Jeff Hagedorn San Diego, CA USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
A lot of people are trying to apply reverse snobbery to this discussion where it doesn't exist. Guilty! Sorry for the confused message and misread of the thread. Please chalk it up to a case of one too many similar conversations in real life where a friend asks the crowded table for opinions on a new 10 speed, gets quietly caught in the crossfire of some heated at-odds zealotry, then files it all under Too Hard and takes up golf instead. Jeff Hagedorn San Diego, CA USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
Jeff, I actually wasn't calling you out. I picked your post to reply to because I liked its humor. As parallel discussions go, today on the bamboo fly rod board, the topic is You're a collector, but I'm a Fisherman, which is that brand of reverse snobbery - the comparison was actually how I percolated my idea here. On Sunday, February 2, 2014 12:25:43 PM UTC-6, sameness wrote: A lot of people are trying to apply reverse snobbery to this discussion where it doesn't exist. Guilty! Sorry for the confused message and misread of the thread. Please chalk it up to a case of one too many similar conversations in real life where a friend asks the crowded table for opinions on a new 10 speed, gets quietly caught in the crossfire of some heated at-odds zealotry, then files it all under Too Hard and takes up golf instead. Jeff Hagedorn San Diego, CA USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
FAT BIIE!!! Patrick Moore, who prefers ~25 mm for his go fast and 60 mm for his dirt bike in ABQ, NM (and who counsels Eric to consider selling his Rivendells very very carefully. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote: Find this whole conversation interesting. While I consider any tire 38mm too skinny to ride, a number of friends are now at the point where anything under 50mm is too skinny. Guess I could say that tastes change and people adapt. And that line of thinking is starting to make more sense to me. Honestly, in the past couple weeks have been toying with selling both my Rivendell bikes and buying something that takes at least a 2.5 inch wide tire. For my type of riding, and considering the continuing deterioration of road conditions, it's seeming to be more logical. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Granted, they're not the best for gravel, but 700x25 tires look pretty darn wide to most cyclists, who are used to seeing 700x20 or 23 tires. I have a set on the Motobecane that I purchased from Patrick in ABQ, and I've had people ask me if they are 30-something in width. Going from 700x20 to 700x25 isn't getting you all the way to a set of 42mm-wide Grand Bois, but it's a step in the right direction and plenty wide for most people, who will probably do 99.9% of their riding on smooth pavement. Maybe having a bike that will accommodate 700x28 will encourage this person to try those out ... and I can testify based on personal experience that 700x28 is a pretty darn good tire size as well. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Albuquerque, NM, USA Resumes, LinkedIn Profiles, and Letters that get interviews. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
On 02/02/2014 01:00 PM, James Warren wrote: If he told the her that a road triple (50x40x30 in the front) often has some trouble working well with brifters and she'd be better off with a compact double with its 34F x 28R low, then so far, not such bad advice. But that doesn't complete the story. Lower gears than that are still possible (on a road bike) in a way that does NOT lead to mechanical headaches. We all know. Shouldn't they? They work in bikes. I don't. The word is increasingly getting out. I'm seeing more and more cassettes with 36T large sprockets mated to compact doubles on the bikes my friends ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
Bruce and Patrick. Probably won't sell right now. Winter blahs are in full force. Was also being snarky. Or reverse snob. Wider is always better to some. And a Moonlander definitely has a different ride feel than a bike with 42mm Grand Bois tires, at least from my test rides of both. As person who now has the Trek, 'am glad she has a bike she likes. Had a modern Trek in the past and it was an adequate bike. (It was actually the same model reviewed in an early BQ.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 02/02/2014 01:00 PM, James Warren wrote: If he told the her that a road triple (50x40x30 in the front) often has some trouble working well with brifters and she'd be better off with a compact double with its 34F x 28R low, then so far, not such bad advice. But that doesn't complete the story. Lower gears than that are still possible (on a road bike) in a way that does NOT lead to mechanical headaches. We all know. Shouldn't they? They work in bikes. I don't. The word is increasingly getting out. I'm seeing more and more cassettes with 36T large sprockets mated to compact doubles on the bikes my friends ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
Does that observation come under the rubric snarky? Patrick Moore, chortling in ABQ, NM. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote: And a Moonlander definitely has a different ride feel than a bike with 42mm Grand Bois tires, at least from my test rides of both. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
Well, I'm disappointed. Since Grant advertised some small bikes (like the Saluki), I was hoping she'd opt for that. A well-made small bike is supposed to be a treasure - G says most small bikes are designed wacky. (Pretty sure I have that right, but if I've misquoted, show no hesitation to set me straight.) When it was my turn to bike shop, I ALMOST fell into the bike shop trap and was *this close* to purchasing a Specialized Ruby that was somehow going to work for my bike commuting, shopping and pulling a trailer. Carbon was the best, I was told. A salesman said to me (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) that he could tell I was going to be a racer someday. If you knew me, that would throw you into fits of hysterics. I'm happy she has a shiny new bike, but I'm highly suspicious her best interests were the top priority for the bike shop. Maybe I'm an anomaly, but until Rivendell, I never got offered what was best for me. I got offered what the bike companies said was best: high-quality plastic, low bars, cutting-edge this and that. I was made to feel less important because I desired usefulness on the bike instead of lightness and swiftness. I kept thinking, You know those upright bars on my old childhood bikes? Wow, those were nice... I'd have never admitted it to the bike sales guys, though My son begs me to read The Berenstein Bears The Bike Lesson most nights. The cub receives a shiny red bicycle with fenders, swept-back bars, and a wide, sprung saddle. Warms my heart :) I hope she loves her Trek, really I do, but you be there for her when she realizes she has a wacky bike for trail-riding, Anne! Maybe, just maybe, there will be a tiny Saluki left in Grant's collection of small bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Trek bicycling, like life, entails dukkha. David G in San Diego On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:19 PM, Dave davele...@gmail.com wrote: I'm amazed treks tag line is less pain, more gain. Less? Why settle for less when it could be none? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who telly you differently is selling something. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:19:18 AM UTC-7, Dave wrote: I'm amazed treks tag line is less pain, more gain. Less? Why settle for less when it could be none? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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My daughter's Team Fuji with 1400g Hoops wheelset and modern 9-speed is cooler than her carbon... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/bike/aleoncreektrailhead.jpg ...and every bit as fast On Saturday, February 1, 2014 7:59:04 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who telly you differently is selling something. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:19:18 AM UTC-7, Dave wrote: I'm amazed treks tag line is less pain, more gain. Less? Why settle for less when it could be none? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
Masterful The Princess Bride pull, Deacon P. Anybody want a peanut? On Saturday, February 1, 2014 5:59:04 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who telly you differently is selling something. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:19:18 AM UTC-7, Dave wrote: I'm amazed treks tag line is less pain, more gain. Less? Why settle for less when it could be none? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
Though she would probably have more fun with a different bike, I hope she enjoys this one more than whatever she has been riding. Being only 5'2 she likely doesn't weigh very much so 25 or 28 tires should be more reasonable than they are for the average adult male. Particularly if she doesn't get carried away inflating them. Also I think that bike has a 34t small ring, rather than the 39t that is more typical for race bikes. If/when she finds the low gear too tall she can swap the rd and cassette to get a 34t big cog for a ~26 low gear, which is fairly low. Even just having a 27t cog would get her a 33 gear which really isn't too bad. On Friday, January 31, 2014 10:16:23 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: She bought a Domane 4: Domane 4 Series flies past any other carbon endurance race bike in its class, with IsoSpeed for race comfort, endurance geometry for stability, and Power Transfer Construction for speed. I'm not exactly sure what a carbon endurance race bike is supposed to be, but I guess I'll see tomorrow if she shows up at our big club ride. After I suggested to her in email that a double chainring might not be adequate for the roads around here, some of which are very steep indeed (Redwood Gulch! Bohlmann!) she told me that the shop said that triples have more repair problems than doubles. Maybe that's a problem with brifters? I have never had trouble with the triples on my bikes, but I also don't use brifters. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:07 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Well bless her heart. But really, who wouldn't want every advantage elite athletes desire? http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/collections/womens/road/endurance_race/domane_5_series/ Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: She bought a carbon Trek Domane, because of course she did. Interestingly, the Domane is billed as a bike for rough rides and gravel. And it is spec'ed with, I am not making this up, 700 x 25 tires. Because when you're riding off road, you absolutely want to be riding 25mm tires. I believe the bike allows enormously huge 28mm tires too. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
Joyce, great words!! Jason sf,ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
+1 'Just Ride' -JimD On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:42 AM, blakcloud blakclou...@gmail.com wrote: Not quite. That bike is hovering around two grand, which is less than even a Betty Foy or Sam Hillborne. I am happy that she bought a bike. On Saturday, February 1, 2014 11:32:37 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: no doubt she could have had a custom-frame Rivendell and change for the same money -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
It is true that it's hard to make triple shifting with indexing brifters work well in the long term. It is not that the shifter wears out (though they can break), it is more that the front derailler and the chain wear (as things do), and it is hard to accomodate this with indexing brifters. Friction shifting can compensate for this just fine. Maybe the bike shop was honestly trying to be be helpful, though the problem is not with triples but with front indexing brifters. On Friday, January 31, 2014 10:16:23 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: She bought a Domane 4: Domane 4 Series flies past any other carbon endurance race bike in its class, with IsoSpeed for race comfort, endurance geometry for stability, and Power Transfer Construction for speed. I'm not exactly sure what a carbon endurance race bike is supposed to be, but I guess I'll see tomorrow if she shows up at our big club ride. After I suggested to her in email that a double chainring might not be adequate for the roads around here, some of which are very steep indeed (Redwood Gulch! Bohlmann!) she told me that the shop said that triples have more repair problems than doubles. Maybe that's a problem with brifters? I have never had trouble with the triples on my bikes, but I also don't use brifters. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:07 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Well bless her heart. But really, who wouldn't want every advantage elite athletes desire? http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/collections/womens/road/endurance_race/domane_5_series/ Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: She bought a carbon Trek Domane, because of course she did. Interestingly, the Domane is billed as a bike for rough rides and gravel. And it is spec'ed with, I am not making this up, 700 x 25 tires. Because when you're riding off road, you absolutely want to be riding 25mm tires. I believe the bike allows enormously huge 28mm tires too. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
I was at first going to say of this woman's purchase, she was sold a bill of goods and perhaps she was; our entire way of life consists largely in being sold a bill of goods by one interest group or another -- *their* interest instead of *ours.* (Rivendell, on the other hand, seems to me to really have the cyclist's interest, as understood by Grant, at heart.) I do hate the garbage that is spewed to sell bikes, in particular, regardless of the buyer's best interests. Still, perhaps the Domane will suit her. Do we know it won't? At least she is on a road bike, and I for one see room for many more road bike types than just the Sam Hill. Perhaps she'll enjoy it? After all, Trek sells a huge number of bikes and not all their buyers can possibly be unhappy dupes, right? Nod to other posts: Saddle setback. There is an ideal saddle setback (ie, compared to the bb shell) for each rider that is entirely, nay e *xistentially, *independent of anything else about the bike, and the rest of the bike has to be designed, or adapted, to compensate for any other variable that is not ideal once this saddle position is in place. Top tube length: Given this axiomatic truth, top tube length really does matter, taking into account seat tube angle and desired type and height of bar. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: She bought a carbon Trek Domane, because of course she did. Interestingly, the Domane is billed as a bike for rough rides and gravel. And it is spec'ed with, I am not making this up, 700 x 25 tires. Because when you're riding off road, you absolutely want to be riding 25mm tires. I believe the bike allows enormously huge 28mm tires too. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Albuquerque, NM, USA Resumes, LinkedIn Profiles, and Letters that get interviews. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
On 02/01/2014 10:29 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: I was at first going to say of this woman's purchase, she was sold a bill of goods and perhaps she was; our entire way of life consists largely in being sold a bill of goods by one interest group or another -- /their/ interest instead of /ours./ (Rivendell, on the other hand, seems to me to really have the cyclist's interest, as understood by Grant, at heart.) I do hate the garbage that is spewed to sell bikes, in particular, regardless of the buyer's best interests. Still, perhaps the Domane will suit her. Do we know it won't? At least she is on a road bike, and I for one see room for many more road bike types than just the Sam Hill. Perhaps she'll enjoy it? After all, Trek sells a huge number of bikes and not all their buyers can possibly be unhappy dupes, right? There are a couple in the bike club I ride with. The owners seem very happy with them. There's an elastomer in the junction between the top tube and the seat tube intended to make the bike ride better on rough roads. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
One more remark: last summer, an older gent brought in a Specialize Roubaix Di2 in for a computer. It was rigged with cheap rattrap pedals and (on the carbon fiber post) a cheap post-mounted rack with a cheap rack bag. I sneered and snickered only to learn that the rider loved it and, two, that it had been given him by the original buyer who, thanks to progressing neurological disease, could no longer ride -- anything. I felt bad, as I should have. After all, the recipient (in his own words) loved it. On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I was at first going to say of this woman's purchase, she was sold a bill of goods and perhaps she was; our entire way of life consists largely in being sold a bill of goods by one interest group or another -- *their* interest instead of *ours.* (Rivendell, on the other hand, seems to me to really have the cyclist's interest, as understood by Grant, at heart.) I do hate the garbage that is spewed to sell bikes, in particular, regardless of the buyer's best interests. Still, perhaps the Domane will suit her. Do we know it won't? At least she is on a road bike, and I for one see room for many more road bike types than just the Sam Hill. Perhaps she'll enjoy it? After all, Trek sells a huge number of bikes and not all their buyers can possibly be unhappy dupes, right? Nod to other posts: Saddle setback. There is an ideal saddle setback (ie, compared to the bb shell) for each rider that is entirely, nay e *xistentially, *independent of anything else about the bike, and the rest of the bike has to be designed, or adapted, to compensate for any other variable that is not ideal once this saddle position is in place. Top tube length: Given this axiomatic truth, top tube length really does matter, taking into account seat tube angle and desired type and height of bar. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: She bought a carbon Trek Domane, because of course she did. Interestingly, the Domane is billed as a bike for rough rides and gravel. And it is spec'ed with, I am not making this up, 700 x 25 tires. Because when you're riding off road, you absolutely want to be riding 25mm tires. I believe the bike allows enormously huge 28mm tires too. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Albuquerque, NM, USA Resumes, LinkedIn Profiles, and Letters that get interviews. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- Albuquerque, NM, USA Resumes, LinkedIn Profiles, and Letters that get interviews. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
I saw the new rider and her new bike today. I said, Wow, what a pretty bike! On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: One more remark: last summer, an older gent brought in a Specialize Roubaix Di2 in for a computer. It was rigged with cheap rattrap pedals and (on the carbon fiber post) a cheap post-mounted rack with a cheap rack bag. I sneered and snickered only to learn that the rider loved it and, two, that it had been given him by the original buyer who, thanks to progressing neurological disease, could no longer ride -- anything. I felt bad, as I should have. After all, the recipient (in his own words) loved it. On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I was at first going to say of this woman's purchase, she was sold a bill of goods and perhaps she was; our entire way of life consists largely in being sold a bill of goods by one interest group or another -- their interest instead of ours. (Rivendell, on the other hand, seems to me to really have the cyclist's interest, as understood by Grant, at heart.) I do hate the garbage that is spewed to sell bikes, in particular, regardless of the buyer's best interests. Still, perhaps the Domane will suit her. Do we know it won't? At least she is on a road bike, and I for one see room for many more road bike types than just the Sam Hill. Perhaps she'll enjoy it? After all, Trek sells a huge number of bikes and not all their buyers can possibly be unhappy dupes, right? Nod to other posts: Saddle setback. There is an ideal saddle setback (ie, compared to the bb shell) for each rider that is entirely, nay existentially, independent of anything else about the bike, and the rest of the bike has to be designed, or adapted, to compensate for any other variable that is not ideal once this saddle position is in place. Top tube length: Given this axiomatic truth, top tube length really does matter, taking into account seat tube angle and desired type and height of bar. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: She bought a carbon Trek Domane, because of course she did. Interestingly, the Domane is billed as a bike for rough rides and gravel. And it is spec'ed with, I am not making this up, 700 x 25 tires. Because when you're riding off road, you absolutely want to be riding 25mm tires. I believe the bike allows enormously huge 28mm tires too. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Albuquerque, NM, USA Resumes, LinkedIn Profiles, and Letters that get interviews. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- Albuquerque, NM, USA Resumes, LinkedIn Profiles, and Letters that get interviews. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
A wise man with the initials GP once wrote (well, actually, he's written it a few times): Compliment other people's bikes, especially if they're new. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy On Feb 1, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: One more remark: last summer, an older gent brought in a Specialize Roubaix Di2 in for a computer. It was rigged with cheap rattrap pedals and (on the carbon fiber post) a cheap post-mounted rack with a cheap rack bag. I sneered and snickered only to learn that the rider loved it and, two, that it had been given him by the original buyer who, thanks to progressing neurological disease, could no longer ride -- anything. I felt bad, as I should have. After all, the recipient (in his own words) loved it. On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I was at first going to say of this woman's purchase, she was sold a bill of goods and perhaps she was; our entire way of life consists largely in being sold a bill of goods by one interest group or another -- their interest instead of ours. (Rivendell, on the other hand, seems to me to really have the cyclist's interest, as understood by Grant, at heart.) I do hate the garbage that is spewed to sell bikes, in particular, regardless of the buyer's best interests. Still, perhaps the Domane will suit her. Do we know it won't? At least she is on a road bike, and I for one see room for many more road bike types than just the Sam Hill. Perhaps she'll enjoy it? After all, Trek sells a huge number of bikes and not all their buyers can possibly be unhappy dupes, right? Nod to other posts: Saddle setback. There is an ideal saddle setback (ie, compared to the bb shell) for each rider that is entirely, nay existentially, independent of anything else about the bike, and the rest of the bike has to be designed, or adapted, to compensate for any other variable that is not ideal once this saddle position is in place. Top tube length: Given this axiomatic truth, top tube length really does matter, taking into account seat tube angle and desired type and height of bar. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: She bought a carbon Trek Domane, because of course she did. Interestingly, the Domane is billed as a bike for rough rides and gravel. And it is spec'ed with, I am not making this up, 700 x 25 tires. Because when you're riding off road, you absolutely want to be riding 25mm tires. I believe the bike allows enormously huge 28mm tires too. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Albuquerque, NM, USA Resumes, LinkedIn Profiles, and Letters that get interviews. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- Albuquerque, NM, USA Resumes, LinkedIn Profiles, and Letters that get interviews. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
Granted, they're not the best for gravel, but 700x25 tires look pretty darn wide to most cyclists, who are used to seeing 700x20 or 23 tires. I have a set on the Motobecane that I purchased from Patrick in ABQ, and I've had people ask me if they are 30-something in width. Going from 700x20 to 700x25 isn't getting you all the way to a set of 42mm-wide Grand Bois, but it's a step in the right direction and plenty wide for most people, who will probably do 99.9% of their riding on smooth pavement. Maybe having a bike that will accommodate 700x28 will encourage this person to try those out ... and I can testify based on personal experience that 700x28 is a pretty darn good tire size as well. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy On Feb 1, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Interestingly, the Domane is billed as a bike for rough rides and gravel. And it is spec'ed with, I am not making this up, 700 x 25 tires. Because when you're riding off road, you absolutely want to be riding 25mm tires. I believe the bike allows enormously huge 28mm tires too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
Well bless her heart. But really, who wouldn't want every advantage elite athletes desire? http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/collections/womens/road/endurance_race/domane_5_series/ Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: She bought a carbon Trek Domane, because of course she did. Interestingly, the Domane is billed as a bike for rough rides and gravel. And it is spec'ed with, I am not making this up, 700 x 25 tires. Because when you're riding off road, you absolutely want to be riding 25mm tires. I believe the bike allows enormously huge 28mm tires too. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
She bought a Domane 4: Domane 4 Series flies past any other carbon endurance race bike in its class, with IsoSpeed for race comfort, endurance geometry for stability, and Power Transfer Construction for speed. I'm not exactly sure what a carbon endurance race bike is supposed to be, but I guess I'll see tomorrow if she shows up at our big club ride. After I suggested to her in email that a double chainring might not be adequate for the roads around here, some of which are very steep indeed (Redwood Gulch! Bohlmann!) she told me that the shop said that triples have more repair problems than doubles. Maybe that's a problem with brifters? I have never had trouble with the triples on my bikes, but I also don't use brifters. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:07 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Well bless her heart. But really, who wouldn't want every advantage elite athletes desire? http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/collections/womens/road/endurance_race/domane_5_series/ Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: She bought a carbon Trek Domane, because of course she did. Interestingly, the Domane is billed as a bike for rough rides and gravel. And it is spec'ed with, I am not making this up, 700 x 25 tires. Because when you're riding off road, you absolutely want to be riding 25mm tires. I believe the bike allows enormously huge 28mm tires too. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
That is exactly right. Whatever shop told her that about triples is an unhelpful shop. It is a really bad idea to compromise our gearing options just to have indexing in the front. That bad idea is widespread, but I still don't give a shop a pass when they help perpetuate it. On Jan 31, 2014, at 10:16 PM, Anne Paulson wrote: she told me that the shop said that triples have more repair problems than doubles. Maybe that's a problem with brifters? I have never had trouble with the triples on my bikes, but I also don't use brifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
I'm amazed treks tag line is less pain, more gain. Less? Why settle for less when it could be none? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
