[Repeater-Builder] Re: Opening Salvo "Poor Mans Repeater Project"
My only response on this topic since Kevin doesn't allow rules discussions. GMRS is allowed up to 50 watts TPO unless you are operating a small base station, then the 15 watt rule comes into play. A small base station operates at 5ppm minimum frequency tolerance and a standard base station or repeater must maintain minimum of 2.5ppm. A small base station also has height restrictions. Also, 50 watts TPO is allowed for mobiles and frequency tolerance is 5ppm or less. If you are within the line A or line C paramaters, certain frequencies are dis-allowed, power is not the issue. Gain antennas are also allowed and there are no restriction on that. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul M Schmitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ooops. Re-read the rules. It's 15 watts for a fixed > station as long as it's not within 50 miles of Canada. > > > --- "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Paul M Schmitter wrote: > > > I'm actually working on improving my poor man's > > > repeater right now. > > > Basically here's what I've been using during > > tests: > > > Vertex FTL-7011 as transmitter > > > Advanced research preamp > > > Radio Shack FRS Cat # 21-1811 retuned as > > receiver(not > > > very selective) > > > > You DO know that repeaters are illegal on FRS > > channels? (Even if you > > have a GMRS license.) > > > > Not to mention that even with a GMRS license, power > > is limited to 5W max? > > -- > > Jim Barbour > > WD8CHL > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning duplexers with sweep generator?
Thanks Vern...I would like to see your setup, if you don't mind. Email me at your convenience. Have a great weekend Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "w6nct" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thank-you; it has been an interesting learning exercise for me. > > For the detector, I actually used a little gadget box circuit that my > Dad had made up years ago. When I first found it (unlabeled) in his > electronics stuff, I didn't know quite what it was. Like so many > other little boxes he had, he used to toss a handfull of components > into a small box and use it when he was testing something out. When I > was young, they always seemed like magic and mystery. It was only > after several years at college that I could even start to figure out > the mysterious little circuits inside. > > The particular setup I used was much like N5ESE's QRP Dummy Load with > it's built-in RF Detector (http://www.io.com/~n5fc/dummy3.htm); but in > my case, I used a standard "T" connector to combine my Dad's detector > and a separate 50 ohm dummy load (also in a gadget box). I stumbled > on N5ESE's version when I was trying to convince myself of what my > Dad's actually did; especially since Dad's was wired a bit different > from the others that I had seen. > > At Gary Schafer's (K4FMX) recommendation, I also put a 6db pad between > the sweep/marker generator and the cavity's input. > > If you like, I can sketch out the whole test setup; just let me know > with an off-group message ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). > > Enjoy. > > <<< vern >>> >
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tuning duplexers with sweep generator?
Congrats Vern May I ask you...what are you using for an RF detector? I'm in need and can't find any info on the subject. Thanks Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "w6nct" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > UPDATE: I have an operational test setup working using the Wavetek > 1080 (sweep/marker generator), oscilloscope, RF detector, and a couple > 50 ohm terminators. With them I was able to successfully reset the > band-pass on the individual cavities I am using for the duplexer. > > All I have left to do with the duplexer is make up the associated > interconnecting cables and re-adjust things a bit as a complete > duplexer system. > > I am still a little hung up on making these interconnecting cables; > but I am making a little progress there as well (see other message > chain in the group). > > Thank-you all for helping me figure out how to setup this tuning > configuration. > > <<< vern (W6NCT) >>> >
[Repeater-Builder] DB-4044 duplexer cans and existing duplexer
Happy New Years to all to start with. I have a 2 meter repeater that uses one of the older Sinclair 202-g duplexers. I think this is the right model number...its the 4 can hybrid ring model with the horizontal notch dielectric tuning stubs n top. As one can expect, I'm getting about 70 dB or so isolation from the system and needless to say, I've got my share of desense. Just out of curiosity, I checked a single DB-4044 can on the spectrum analyzer tuned to my repeater output frequency...146.775. Despite the specs for the duplexer as a whole indicating a frequency range of 148 to 174 MHz, I was able to tune the can to obtain about 20 dB of attenuation with a .5 dB insertion loss setting. The repeater is a MSR-2000 with the intermittant PA set at about 60 watts. I do have the factory pre- amp installed. Obviously, I'm looking to try to use these DB-4044 cans to increase my isolation. Even tho the cans show "useable" on the spectrum analyzer, in real life, is this a viable solution? My thoughts are to use 2 or 3 cans on the receive side and 1 or 2 cans on the transmit side installed between the Sinclair duplexer and the repeater. I have this duplexer just sitting around collecting dust and I thought I would try to put it to some use. If the "plan" would work, should I... 1. leave the insertion loss as it is at .5 dB per can or increase it in order to achieve a bit more attenuation? 2. do the 3 plus 1 install or the 2 plus 2 or are extra cans on the transmit side even necessary 3. are cable lengths between the DB-4044 cans critical and are the cable lengths between the last DB-4044 can the the first Sinclair can critical? I'm assuming that the cable lengths between the repeater and the first DB-4044 can on each side are not critical, as normally is the case...correct me if I'm wrong (on any of this). My repeater site is at a low noise area if this is relevent. Thanks for the in advance for any info and everyone be safe and Happy New Year! Bob, Rowan County, NC ARES EC, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892
[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT Repeaters in Rowan County NC
Correction 147.730 - Every Thursday evening at 8:00 PMshould read 146.730 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "rtoplus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >...snip... > > Nets are as follows: > > 147.730 - Every Thursday evening at 8:00 PM > 145.410 - Every Tuesday evening at 9:00 PM > 145.410 - ARES Net - Every Tuesday evening at 8:30 PM > >...end snip > Bob, Rowan County, NC ARES EC, RARS VP, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892
[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT Repeaters in Rowan County NC
Good afternoon Ray I'm in Rowan County. Local repeaters and info as follows: 146.775- pl 94.8 open -I own this one - pretty good coverage, mainly designed as local handheld municipal repeater 146.730- pl 94.8 open - pretty good coverage 145.410- pl 136.5 open - wide coverage repeater with dropoff to the west 146.655- no pl open (Concord) 145.350- no pl open (Charlotte) Skywarn and PETN (Piedmont Emergency Training Network) Also, if you or an immediate family member are GMRS licensed: 462.625 pl 100.0 - open - owned by me (currently down) 462.625 pl 107.2 - open - owned by me 462.625 pl 136.5 - open - owned by me 462.675 pl 141.3 - open - owned by me I am the VP of the Rowan Amateur Radio Society. We meet the 2nd Monday of each month at the Rufty-Holmes Senior Center on Boundary Street, Salisbury at 7:00 PM until roughly 9:00 PM. We would love to have you attend/join. ARES meetings are held the second Tuesday of each month (Next month excepted) at roughly 6:15 PM at the Elizabeth Hanford Dole Red Cross Center on Jake Alexander Blvd, Salisbury. Again, we would love to have you attend/join. Nets are as follows: 147.730 - Every Thursday evening at 8:00 PM 145.410 - Every Tuesday evening at 9:00 PM 145.410 - ARES Net - Every Tuesday evening at 8:30 PM There are other nets, but those are the ones most local and that come to mind. Hope this info helps. 73 and welcome to the county/area. Bob, Rowan County, NC ARES EC, RARS VP, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a bit off topic,but i am in search of 2 meter repeaters > that may be operating in the Rowan County NC area. Open or CTCSS > enabled.I am moving there soon,and would appreciate anyone knowing > of them.on list or by private e-mail is ok. > > N3PYJ/R > 147.210 + > > Ray >
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wount To Find Out About Buiding A New Repeter
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > National Emergency Assistance Radio Team Headquters wrote: > > Date :05-29-2006 > > Time :8:00 PM CST > >>From :Lige Turner > > Repeter-Builder > > I,m Am A GMRS Radio Operater > > And I Would Like More On How > > To Build A UHF-FM Land Mobile > > Radio(LMR)Repeter That Will Put > > Out 100 Watts ERP Output And Would > > Work On The Input Frequency 462.675 Mhz > > CTCSS Tones 141.3 Hz And Output Frequency > > 467.675 Mhz With A CTCSS Tone 141.3 Hz > > This is virtually unreadable, but what I can read is there are several > legal errors. The input frequency will be 467.xxx and the output will be > 462.xxx. Also you cannot run more then 50 watts out of the transmitter. > These are both set in Part 95 of the FCC rules. I suggest you get a copy > from the FCC website. It is downloadable. > > -- > Jim Barbour > WD8CHL > KAE9169 > Jim and others are correct about the above. Also, the original poster needs to be aware that group licenses are no longer available (since 1988 I think) unless he has a grandfather'd one and if so, he may not perform any changes to his system. He'd do best getting a Part 90 license. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Project advice
Jim, I'm sorry, but GMRS (part 95) repeaters are NOT required to have tone access. GMRS is a shared service and there is absolutely no requirement by the FCC that access is restricted by a PL tone. Same is true with at least my part 90 LMRS license, I'm not required to have CTCSS or DCS enabled on my repeater. For some assigments in part 90, maybe its a requirement but not on mine, VHF. I'm sorry but you have your info totally incorrect (I'm not trying to flame you). My appologies to the group re: regulations discussion. If someone wants to take this matter up with me, you can email me at robert @ rtoplus dot com. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > DCFluX wrote: > > Yeah, just like it is the law for any 2M repeater on a mountain top to > > have PL on the receiver. Um, Right > > > > On 3/13/06, Dick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Well, I looked at the GMRS rules and don't see a requirement for tone > >> squelch... > >> digital or CTCSS. I don't think tone squelch is require, but it sire is > >> good common > >> sense for a GMRS repeater. > >> > >> Dick > > All *REPEATERS* in UHF, both part 90 and part 95, are REQUIRED to have > restricted access, and cannot be carrier squelch. PERIOD. > > -- > Jim Barbour > WD8CHL > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Project advice
Jim, I'm sorry, but GMRS (part 95) repeaters are NOT required to have tone access. GMRS is a shared service and there is absolutely no requirement by the FCC that access is restricted by a PL tone. Same is true with at least my part 90 LMRS license, I'm not required to have CTCSS or DCS enabled on my repeater. For some assigments in part 90, maybe its a requirement but not on mine, VHF. I'm sorry but you have your info totally incorrect (I'm not trying to flame you). My appologies to the group re: regulations discussion. If someone wants to take this matter up with me, you can email me at robert @ rtoplus dot com. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > DCFluX wrote: > > Yeah, just like it is the law for any 2M repeater on a mountain top to > > have PL on the receiver. Um, Right > > > > On 3/13/06, Dick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Well, I looked at the GMRS rules and don't see a requirement for tone > >> squelch... > >> digital or CTCSS. I don't think tone squelch is require, but it sire is > >> good common > >> sense for a GMRS repeater. > >> > >> Dick > > All *REPEATERS* in UHF, both part 90 and part 95, are REQUIRED to have > restricted access, and cannot be carrier squelch. PERIOD. > > -- > Jim Barbour > WD8CHL > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Project advice
Paul, you're correct...CTCSS (or DCS) should be utilized but its not required. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Paul Yonge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> But this is GMRS-it MUST, by law, be CTCSS controlled. > > Are you sure about that? > > > Paul Yonge WQDY219 > MIDLAKES REPEATER > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Speaking of antennas
Hi folks Anyone have any experience with Radial (not Radial/Larsen) antennas? In this month's issue of Mission Critical, this company has a 136-174 mHz 4 bay folded dipole...model D4 VHF...decent specs, height, girth, and mounting that would fit nicely with requirements I have. They have a site on the web...a Russian company. Any comments? Thanks Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
Hi Joe I have 4 GMRS repeaters set up in my area. If all he wants to do is to talk over his 50 acres, wouldn't a base with a decently high antenna and quality hand held suit the need? Course a repeater would be nice for them for trips to town or whatever if he has the space for equipment and a place for a decent antenna site...assuming the town isn't 100 miles away. Biggest thing is for them go get licensed and then see about what type of system would work best. just my .02 Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a GMRS repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of woods that he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His wife is concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got them a pair of Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the job because of a little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was thinking of recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set up a GMRS repeater, but don't know the details about how feasible this would be. Any suggestions from the group? > > Joe > > "Doug D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John, > > > > GMRS License (new) $80 for 5 years. License available for > > individuals (does cover just about entire family though) only. No > > Groups or Businesses. Here is a description from the FCC GMRS > > webpage. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: VHF Maxtrac Power Output
On a related question...what is the concensus regarding the minimum output for VHF and UHF maxtracs before ghosts start appearing? Thanks Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: New to GMRS Repeaters
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick, > > You need to get a license, $75 for 5 years. Also download part 95, regs > for GMRS, from www.fcc.gov; about 20-30 pages. They follow pretty much the > old CB rules. > Fee is now $80.00 > Base stations are restricted to 20 ft above structure and 25 watts ERP, but > repeater can go as high as they like and run 50 watts out of the tx, not > ERP. To qualify as a SMALL BASE STATION, the height limitation applies and they can transmit with no more than 5W ERP...regular base stations (and repeaters) are limited to 50W power output (not ERP) and no height restrictions (other limitations apply as well such as frequency stability). balance of post snipped (moderators...I know rules discussions are not allowed, however, the original poster needs to know what he can and can't do in order to make responsible equipment purchase/installation decisions) 73 Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS and VOIP
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ronny Julian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought it was just that one guy in MI. Is he not "the PSRG"? > > Hi Ronny Yes and no. Corwin Moore is the PRSG and says that there are "associates" but refuses to say who they are/were. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS and VOIP
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This discussion might be better served by setting up another yahoo gmrs rptr. owner user group. and follwing up there. Most amatuers (excpt those who have worked in commercial radio shops etc.) don't know anything about GMRS. Maybe Kevin could set up a sub group BBD or this, if he is interested. A goole search for the PRSG (Personal Radio Service Group) will get you a number of links and contacts to answer some of your questions about GMRS and MURS. > > Doug N3DAB/etc./etc. There are GMRS and GMRSrepeater yahoo groups. I thought that there were some GMRS users on this forum. In an earlier post, I asked if this discussion was ok or not...I'll refrain from further discussion if ya'll want. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS and VOIP
Let me also state that I have no clue of how the client/server software or its controls (or echolink or others for that matter) operate, so some of my fears may be over blown. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS and VOIP
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why would present any more problems on GMRS then with the ARS. If you don't want unauthoriced (unlicensed) users you don't have to connect your radio/repeater to a computer. > > Doug N3DAB/etc./etc. My problem lies with the fact that any kid with a $15 bubble pack radio from Wally World and software and the internet can now send beep tones, burps and other noises across the nation to their camp friend in California...unlicensed on top of that! And how am I to inform the kid in California that his "tones" are interferring on my repeater output here in NC? And trying to track down a pirate??? No Way! I think that a somewhat local link where some sort of an obstruction reduces the service area of a repeater would be fine. These are some of my concerns. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS and VOIP
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting!! Please cite the reflecter/web site/address where you saw this info posted. I would like to follow up on this with the PRSG for their opinion. > > Doug N3DAB/etc./etc. > Hi Doug Here is the site that quotes the memo received from the FCC: http://www.gmrslinking.com 73 Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS and VOIP
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Don Pomplun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you spell that out in a little less jargon, please. > Also, do you not mean "VOIP via GMRS"? > PSTN? > Is this essentially saying that you can use your GMRS radio/repeater for > VOIP, internet access, and what else? > tnx > Don > > Hi Don No, GMRS via VOIP. PSTN refers to the wired telephone network (your telephone jack in you home). Essentially this refers to linking GMRS similar to linking amateur radios/repeaters via echolink or whatever. Main problem in my view with GMRS linking in this fasion, is that there are no official coordinating bodies as in amateur radio and the initiator of this originally talked about nationwide GMRS linking. Correction on the original post...DSL is NOT permitted according to the alleged FCC response Side noteKevin and moderators, after I posted the original post, I remembered about not posting FCC stuff on this reflector...if this isn't an appropriate topic, please accept my appologies and I'll refrain from further comments. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] GMRS and VOIP
Hi Apparantly the FCC in its vast wisdom, has determined that GMRS via VOIP is ok as long as the internet medium is not PSTN. This allows DSL, cable, satelite, T1 and most everything else except dialup to be used. I have not verified this personally, but in another reflector, the initiator of this client based issue claims to have received a response from the FCC specifically addressing the question. GMRS users/repeater owners, you think you have illegal useage/interferrence now...just wait a spell. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater-Builder antennas and other products
You guys are my heros!!! I've been looking for a decent antenna for my 2 meter repeater that is located within a historical district. All I've been able to find to this point are the amateur quality one's that folks have mentioned already here or commercial ones that are too large. The one I currently have (can't remember brand, but is a dual band similar to Diamond or Comet) performs only fairly at best and as has been mentioned by others, has a degree of desense. Where my repeater is located, antenna dimensions are primary concerns (I don't want the folks to ask me to leave). Guys, is there a mount that comes with the antenna or do I provide my own? Also, again due to the historical stuff, I can't mount to anything larger than a regular TV mast size. Will this be sufficient? Thanks! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Zimmerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nope, Just me after a long week getting ready for Dayton. Try it again > please... > > http://www.repeater-builder.com/products/antennas.html > > Scott > > Scott Zimmerman > Amateur Radio Call N3XCC > 612 Barnett Rd > Boswell, PA 15531 > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Desense
I am interested as well Kevin. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Dave VanHorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >Repeater Builder is currently vending a dual band antenna that works > >well in duplex service. We'll have several at Dayton, with a special > >show price. > >Scott and I have installed several for non critical ham repeater duty > >and are very pleased with their performance so far. > > I won't be able to attend, but I'm interested. > Where do I find out more? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Dumb idea
Good day to all This was posted in a couple of other yahoo groups the other day. It might be off topic for this group, but this really concerns/angers me as a GMRS repeater owner. There has been discussion regarding this post within several yahoo groups as well as the Popular Wireless BBS. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 >>>start of post<<< We are starting a voip repeater linking network you can get more information at http://gmrs.hopto.org We would like to get as many gateways as possible to really expand gmrs repeater coverages Thanks fred << To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-850 repeater questions---Update
Hi all I sent the TKR-850 out on Wednesday, the 20th and it just arrived back from the service center a few minutes ago...with a brand new PA board (I opened it up to check). Haven't checked the power out yet, but according to their service slip, diagnosed and checked everything with 40W out. Can't belive I got it back so soon! I rekin I got me a new 'peter! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amatuer KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-850 repeater questions
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bob, > > The Q-4 transistor is directly behind the final transistor and is a flat > pack device. Follow the circuit backwards from the final and there is a > black or dark grey transistor, can't miss it. It is a strange deal, it > looks like it's supposed to be heat sinked to the casting through the PC > board but I could tell the PC board was not making contact with the pad on > the casting. I can post a picture of both PC board if that will help. > > If you are using the repeater at 462 MHz you should have full rated power, > if not see your local Kenwood dealer. If you have the old design you need > to see them anyway and get the PA deck updated anyway. They should be happy > to do it since they make 82 bucks in labor and the part cost them or you a > penny. > > Paul > > > -Original Message----- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of rtoplus > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:08 AM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-850 repeater questions > Hi Paul I called my local Kenwood dealer and they gave me the East Coast service center number. I talked with a tech there and they want the unit back. S, I'm headed off to the shipping place to send it to Virginia Beach. They said the turn-around time is a day or so. Ain't bad. The tech said it sounded like the flakey old PA board, so hopefully in a week or so, I'll have a virtually new repeater! One final question...I didn't think to ask the tech...will my current software work with the upgrade or will I need to upgrade it as well? Thanks again to all for your responses and your help! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-850 repeater questions
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > If it has the "New Improved" PA deck and he is below 450 MHz using one of > the 450 to 470 MHz split radios is the problem. You can tell the new PA > deck from the old by the Q-4 driver transistor. The old style was not > screwed into the casting, It's a surface mount looking thing. The new > driver is screwed to the casting and they also have copper colored "springs" > over the top of both the driver and final transistors. > > I just did 5 of these updates to my TKR-850's and tested them all on 442.15, > none made rated power there but did above 450 MHz. To prove this he can > always program the radio to a higher frequency and check it there. > > Paul > WB5IDM > > > Hi Paul I'll be using the unit at 462 and that is where I've been trying to set the power at via software. The question I posed about amateur frequencies was for my own info. I can't find a Q4 transister but do have a Q5 # K3478 that has screws at the top and bottom of it. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-850 repeater questions
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Russ Stafford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A few questions back. > Is it a TKR-850 or TKR-850 ver. two? > What Freq. range is it in? Not what you have the software having it tune > tune but what freq. did it come from the dealer or factory on? > What software are you useing. > Yes I have used them on 440 and 460. > > 73 Russ, W3CH. > Morning Russ and all First, I want to thank you all for your responses. Russ, the label on the unit says TKR-850 then under that is -1 so I assume its a version 1 model. Also, the freq range is 450-480 according to the info when reading the radio via software. Another responder asks what the output looks like on a spectrum analyzer...alas, this poor 'lil radio guy ain't got one. Guess its time for a call/visit to a Kenwood dealer. Thanks again all Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-850 repeater questions
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is a reported vco (out of band) stab/lock > problem some 850 repeaters. Kenwood just told > me because the problem is hit and miss for out > of band (amateur) operation, they don't support > operation out of the "normal" 450 to 480 range. > > I'm under the impression the vco stab problem > is a 1 in 15 to 1 in 35 production issue. > > I just sold one and it programs and works > fine into the ham band. You do need the proper > and current software for the version repeater > you plan to use, there are repeater firmware > differences. The current software is ver 91D. > > cheers > skipp > www.radiowrench.com > skipp025 at yahoo.com > > > "Gary Laforce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good luck BTW they do work very well in the > > Ham band. Skipp...my software is KPG-66D version 2.01 release 10/Jan/2001 from the help/about screen of the software. I have no idea what firmware version I have. Plus, I'm just trying to get the 40 watts out of 462.625 MHz. My version repeater is the "K" version according to the defaults under "model info" Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-850 repeater questions
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Laforce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you gone thru the softpot tuning in the software under the tabs > programming and then test mode. These are normaly 3 point adjustments so > you will have low med and hi freq adjustment plus a test tab. I would > not turn the repeater down to 5 watts there were problems with the x50 > repeaters with the PA's and running low power it was burning up the > transistor and the PCB around them (look back in the archives of this > group I thank you will find what I'm talking about). As far as rated > power goes they are a 40 watt 50% duty repeater or a 25 watt 100% > repeater this is Kenwood spec. If you are not getting 40 watts something > is wrong. Don't listen to people when they tell you that it's only a 25 > watt repeater that is WRONG. Good luck BTW they do work very well in the > Ham band. > > > Gary LaForce > Chariton Valley TriStar Communications > Kenwood LMR Sales and Service for 30+ years > Columbia Service Department Supervisor > 573.441.2224 Direct Shop line > 573.442.1147 Main Business Line > 573.449.8310 Shop Fax line > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi Gary Yea, I've been through all of the "test" channels in all 3 modes (actually it can be 4 modes if you include the current channel) for each channelno avail. Thanks for your input! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-850 repeater questions
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 04:14 PM 4/18/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Those repeaters are rated for 25 W for continuous duty repeater service, > >so it is making rated power. In any case, I wouldn't run it beyond what > >your getting. > > <---Not true. TKR-850's should make at least 40 watts when programmed for > high power. Thank youThat is what I understood also...I'm not saying I'm gonna be running the repeater at full blast, but according to the service manual, there should be actually around 43 watts out + -. BTW, I noticed it fluctuating again todayhits about 27 watts for a second, drops to 3 or 4, jumps back to 15...might stay at 15 for a while then might go back to 22...I can just sit there in test mode, with XMIT on, not touching a thing, and watch the bird jump around. I've tapped and bumped and juggled everything I can imagine other than taking out the boards and cleaning all the contacts. Ken, what about that power adjustment VR1, I really don't know what I should be doing with that. According to the service manual, that is the place to get the output power up to snuff, but I can't get the thing to budge or move or anything. I'm wondering if that "pot" or whatever it is might be the culprit for both problems. > > > >> Question 3...The CW ID turns itself on every "X" minutes regardless > >> of how I set it in the software...am I missing something? I don't > >> want it to ID unless there is activity on the repeater. > > <---Can't be done using the internal controller. Commercial repeaters ID > whethere they're active or not. Ok...I'll do the external controller deal...once I figure out what's wrong with the power. > > >> Question 4...to float charge a battery, the service manual refers > >> to "shorting the charge land near R61". Is this the 2 little traces > >> on the board? Should I just solder a jumper across these 2 little > >> pads? > > <---Yes, that's correct. They didn't make it very clear for repeater dummies like me. > > >> Question 5...anyone have any experience using these units in the 440 > >> MHz range? I plan to use it in the 460 MHz range, but I was curious.> > >I know of one right now on the low end of 442 Mhz-runs just fine. > > <---We have many running in the ham bands. A slight retune and away you go! > Cool, nice to know I can program in some amateur frequencies and have a repeater I can snatch and go if need be. > > >> Question 6...I bought the repeater used so if I can't get the power > >> up to the factory specs, would I be ok to turn the power down to say > >> 5 watts or so and run an external amp or would I be better off > >> putting in a 3 or 6 db pad between an external amp and the RF out > >> from the repeater? I really want the repeater to work up to spec. > > <--I think you should look into why it won't make 40 watts when programmed > for high power (assuming the usual suspects, such as SWR and a 'non-flakey' > cable/connector/power meter isn't the culprit). I agree with your first statement in the above paragraph. My SWR is flat going into my dummy load...however, that's not saying that my load is bad and possibly my meter as well. I've not had someone else check things with different equipment. I did do this though. I replaced my load with a yagi antenna and I noticed that now when stable, the power is at about 22 watts or so. Cables are FSJ1 from the TX out to the meter and then a short run of RG214 to the load. Duplexer isn't even in the picture yet. > > Ken > --- --- > President and CTO - Arcom Communications > Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. > http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html > Come see us at Dayton 2005! > We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! > AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 > http://www.irlp.net Thank you bunches folks! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG3WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-850 repeater questions
Howdy all I finally have gotten around to setting up my TKR-850 UHF repeater. A few questions. I know that power is set up in software, however, I can't get but about 27 watts max out with the software set at max even on the test channels using LDF1 hardline, bird meter, and dummy load. Any ideas? I know there is a power adjustment, point VR1 on the PA board, but I can't for the life of me get it to do anything...do I need a special tool or something? I can't get it to move. Would this possibly be the problem or something else? Question 2...Initially, the power out was fluctuating wildly...jumping back and forth. I tightened up the screws on the power transister and all the screws on the board and it seems to have stabilized. Is there any thing else I should check to verify? Question 3...The CW ID turns itself on every "X" minutes regardless of how I set it in the software...am I missing something? I don't want it to ID unless there is activity on the repeater. Question 4...to float charge a battery, the service manual refers to "shorting the charge land near R61". Is this the 2 little traces on the board? Should I just solder a jumper across these 2 little pads? Question 5...anyone have any experience using these units in the 440 MHz range? I plan to use it in the 460 MHz range, but I was curious. Question 6...I bought the repeater used so if I can't get the power up to the factory specs, would I be ok to turn the power down to say 5 watts or so and run an external amp or would I be better off putting in a 3 or 6 db pad between an external amp and the RF out from the repeater? I really want the repeater to work up to spec. Sorry for all the questions, but I'm new to Kenwood stuff and I'm trying to learn. Thank you Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Was portable GMRS repeater antenna...now ID'er
Hi Tom Do you have a recommendation of a brand/model? I wondered about using the accessory connector but wasn't sure. Guess the next thing is how to figure out programming the RSS to allow for this to work or is that necessary? Thanks Tom Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Tom Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The RICK has a 16 pin accessory connector on the back of it. You should > be able to connect the ID'er there. > > rtoplus wrote: > > > > >Ok...got everything together for the station...now one last > >question. I know its not required, but I want to put an ID'er on > >the setup. To refresh memories, I'm using a couple of maxtracs and > >a R.I.C.K. for a controller with the XMTR turned down to about 20 > >watts into the duplexer. Aside with going with another controller > >(I've got the R.I.C.K velcroe'd to the top of my little repeater > >box), any recommendations for an id'er? Or would it be simpler to > >invest in a basic controller with an ID function? If the former, > >will I need to "dig into" the guts of the radios or can an ID'r be > >interfaced with the R.I.C.Kby the way, I have an I20-R that has > >internal ID functions and is about the same size as my R.I.C.K. that > >I could use, but its sick...it refuses to pass any audio. > > > >Ideas? > > > >Thanks > >Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna
Ok...got everything together for the station...now one last question. I know its not required, but I want to put an ID'er on the setup. To refresh memories, I'm using a couple of maxtracs and a R.I.C.K. for a controller with the XMTR turned down to about 20 watts into the duplexer. Aside with going with another controller (I've got the R.I.C.K velcroe'd to the top of my little repeater box), any recommendations for an id'er? Or would it be simpler to invest in a basic controller with an ID function? If the former, will I need to "dig into" the guts of the radios or can an ID'r be interfaced with the R.I.C.Kby the way, I have an I20-R that has internal ID functions and is about the same size as my R.I.C.K. that I could use, but its sick...it refuses to pass any audio. Ideas? Thanks Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Good quality RG-8X ? (and GMRS port-A-peter)
Hi Neil and all Thanks for all of your input and suggestions. I guess I'll go with RG-214/U simply for the storage factor and rolling/unrolling I can see happening during drills and (hopefully not), an actual "event"...superflex, I'm afraid, might get crushed or "bent out of shape". I like the idea that was presented about the camper flagpole "mast". We have a camping center a few miles from here so I'll be making a call to see if they have them available. As far as an antenna is concerned, I'll prolly start out with the comtelco I currently have and run some real life tests...its small, light, and a mast made out of almost anything should support it. Russ, you mentioned a solar panel you put on the hood of your suv. May I ask the specs on what you use? The setup I am going to be using is: XMTR- 40 Watt maxtrac turned down to about 15-20 watts (with a 12V fan) into the duplexer (which is by the way, an old motorola TFE6080 "diplexer"), RCVR- 25 watt maxtrac, controller- mother "M" R.I.C.K.. I haven't checked the amperage that the setup uses...I'll have to get my hands on a meter...mine is blown up:-( For AC use and while assembling the unit, I have a maxon 12 amp supply that seems to do fine. Before someone says something about the maxtrac transmitter compliance, I know, I know...its 5ppm, but hey, this is for emergency use. Thanks again Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If it comes to a question here, I use either the silver plated > RG-223 or RG-214 ... better still is Andrew Heliax. > > Hello Will, > > Neil - WA6KLA > > motarolla_doctor wrote: > > > > > RG-8X was developed with a larger center conductor and > > > the dilectric was made out of a material to allow the > > > larger conductor while keeping the outer size about > > > the same as rg-59. > > > > I mite add some to this: The RG8X cable is a true 50 ohm cable > > rather than the RG58x variants, most of which are realy 52 ohm cables. > > (51.5 0hm was (one of)the Mill specs back in the '40's and '50's) > > > > Now that does not seem to be "too far off" the 50 ohm design, but at > > higher frequencies it makes a lot of difference in the loss and > > propagation in the cable. This is why a good quality RG8X is better in > > some applications. > > > > In duplex applications, the shielding is very important. This is why > > the poorly shielded cables, such as RG8X, do not allways work well. > > Using a double silver plated shielded cable like RG214 is perfered. > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Perryman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bob, > For a portable mast I would suggest going to your local RV center and asking > about one of their portable flag poles. It has a small base approx. 12 x 14 > inches (place it on the ground and drive your tire onto it), and a > telescoping mast that locks into place with "push-pins". We used one at the > pentagon for the 911 mess, and it worked out quite well. Not terribly > expensive, about 20 ft tall extended, about 6 foot collapsed. Fairly > rugged, and the base plate detaches for storage. > > 73's > Mike Perryman > www.k5jmp.us > Great idea Mike!!! I'll definately check it out!! Thanks! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe Montierth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Something you might look at would be one of the > lightweight fiberglass base station antennas made by > Antennex, Maxrad, etc. These only weigh about 4 or 5 > pounds, you could also get several 6ft sections of > telescopic aluminum tubing to support it, much less > weight and size than the TV masting. For a short run > of cable like that, you could probably use good > quality RG-8X type cable for less weight and good > storability. > > Joe > Thanks Joe...Your comments and suggestions are kinda getting to the crux of the info and recommendations I'm looking for. I think you grasp the idea. Portability, storability, ease of deployment and dis-mantling/moved/re-deployed, simplicity of setup (could be very dark/rainy/snowy/windy/etc. with the best possible coverage is the idea. I currently have one of the comtelco fiberglas base antennasdon't remember the model or specs but it's about 4' tall and couldn't weigh more than about 3 or 4 pounds tops. I'm not familiar with the aluminum telescopic stuff you're referring toany idea where this could be gotten and could it be stowed on my luggage rack ok? Course, cost is a factor. I'm just trying to do as much as I can for emergency services/Red Cross/ARES/CERT/you name it in my area. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Bob and the Group, > I have seen Russ's set up on his SUV > and the DB-404 is not a large antenna > at all. His mount folds backwards. It > is made for the Tar heel low band mobile > antenna. > I would not use a mag mount for any thing. > What would you gain by having a repeater > using a mobile antenna that you could not > do the same thing as just working simplex? > I do not understand? > Dean Westbrook, EE,PE. Dean, my point is that during an event, the vehicle (which would be parked at a location that was suitable at the time) might have to be moved to another location due to un-forseen situations. The van would be acting as a temporary repeater until our main units come back on line. Anything could happen...what was a fine location at 2:00 PM might start to get under water at 3:00 PM so the temporary repeater might have to go elsewhere. The whole point is to allow for handheld coverage (limited as it may be) via the repeater until the time that our normal repeaters come back up so simplex doesn't come into this situation (unless it works anyway). The van would be unoccupied throughout the event unless it needed to be moved. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The little DB-404 works very well we use it for bike-a-thons and walks and > so on. We park my > SUV in a good spot at the event. And leave it > all day during the event. We also have a repeater we install on a high reach > for events we need more range. It uses a DB-408 on that unit. > 73, Russ > Ham, W3CH. > GMRS, WPYK-254. Ok...I have a Dodge Caravan (no snickers please) that I'll be using for an emergency vehicle. Russ, on your setup, using the DB-404, what flavor of feedline do you use? Also, what kind of height do you achieve with your setup. I can envision on my vehicle some sort of mounting clamp I guess attached to the rear bumper (which is plastic) and then running the feedline into the vehicle through one of the rear window openings. When in transit, I guess I could strap 3 or 4 5' TV antenna masts and the antenna to the luggage rack, but I'm curious about the feedline...hardline would be great of course, but with repeated coiling and the possibility of kinking I wonder if something like Andrew CNT-400 would be better. Also, would standard TV masts be useable (safely) for a DB-404? Also, my vehicle has a total (right now) of 5 radios installed...1 lowerpower UHF Spectra for GMRS and public service frequencies, 1 Icom 2 meter mobile for ham stuff, 1 VHF maratrac for part 90, mutual aid stuff and some ham stuff, 1 Radio Shaft VHF 19-2100 (or whatever the model is...the old mobile 2 channel business dot radio) I use it for MURS, and an 800 MHz STX smartnet handheld with a convertacom. So obviously, I'm a rolling RF cannon...course, rarely though does more than 1 radio get keyed at a time. Battery/power issues are another topic. thoughts? (please don't suggest a motor home or something like that unless you want to do the paypal thingie to mehehehe) Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess I should have said we use a Kenwood TKR-850 (non ver. 2) for the > repeater running 25 watts and for a duplexer we use an old mobile duplexer > model 631 made by Celwave. It does work very well. Set up time takes very > little time. > 73 Russ, > Thanks for your input Russ. I guess I was hoping to be able to use a "standard" mobile mag mount due to the possibility of moving the vehicle around and not having to do the fold down, hide and shuffle routine. I'm sure that a regular repeater/base antenna would out perform any mobile antenna hands down...just trying to make some compromises and still get somewhat acceptable performance. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna
Question I'm assembling a portable/emergency GMRS repeater for my vehicle. Said repeater will run about 10-15 watts or so out of the duplexer (notch style). I'm trying to decide on an antenna to use. I want to go with a mag mount for portability reasons. Would you fine folks recommend a 1/4 wave antenna or a gain flavor. Just wondering which one would duplex better or do you suppose there would be any difference at all? Thanks! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: (From the List Owner) Micor Repeater is PART 95 Type Accepted
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Custer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Comments threaded. > > mch wrote: > > >I would hope Kevin would let the discussion continue, as it is of VITAL > >importance to anyone putting a non-ham repeater on the air. > >Joe M. > > > > In this instance, I'll agree to continue with the discussion because > this email list is to provide information on ALL types of repeaters, > voice, digital, video, whatever, from all types of services like Ham, > Commercial, GMRS, etc. While I personally hate rules discussions, I > haven't seen this thread go in that direction to an ailing degree. > > All, please keep this moving along and provide facts and not speculation. > > More below... > snip Thank you Kevin! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Repeater is PART 95 Type Accepted
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Doug D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lets put another one to rest. > > WRITE IT IN STONE! the Micor, at least those with the Transmitter > FCC Identifier of CC4224C are Part 95 type accepted. This is the > transmitter on my Micor Community Repeater. snip Doug I'd like to tip my hat to you for your persistant leg work! I've got several micors in service in GMRS and even tho I know they meet spec, that lingering feeling of possible non-compliance is now gone. I hope you don't mind, but I re-printed your post to the GMRS yahoo repeater group...with proper credits of course. Here's to you! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 "Loop" Lengths for 145.110 Mhz?
Thanks all for the infowipes nervous perspiration drops off brow<<< I thought it would be fine, but I wanted to make sure. We will be side mounting the antenna so I will be ordering the DB5001 mounting kit. 73 Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: DB224 "Loop" Lengths for 145.110 Mhz?
Hi all I've followed this thread with great interest seeing that our club just purchased a DB224E to replace an aged stationmaster. Question...We ordered the 138-150 mHz model, Tessco part # 62446. There was nothing in the paperwork referencing element spacing or anything else along those lines. Just info about pattern adjustment. I told the Tessco rep our frequency, 146.730, and he said there is nothing to tune or do to the antenna...just set it and forget it. I do realize that some of the comments during this discussion have been related to other models of the DB224, however, I fell compelled to ask if there is anything we should do to our antenna prior to installing it (will be checking all the bolts and nuts of course). Does the other thread that discussed the element spacing apply to my model? Thanks a bunch in advance Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Sinclair Q-202G
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes! and they work well. You need different cable lengths and different > length rods on the tubular caps,or convert to trimmers. 73,Lee > Hi Lee I changed my cable lengths (that is a different story...some lengths had to be around 14" and others had to be about 12" for it to work) but I didn't do anything with the di-electric rods...I wasn't aware that this was needed to be done. Should I explore this? Thanks! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Sinclair Q-202G
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul, > ...snip... > A 100W repeater normally requires 100 > dB of isolation for zero desense, and that usually calls for six > cavities. However, I have used a Q-202G duplexer with two added > bandpass cavities on the receive side, and it had zero desense with a > 100W PA. > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > > Hi Eric and others Question...I have the same duplexer and was thinking of adding a couple of bandpass filters as well. Does the 14" cable length apply to the added on cavities as well? And should they be installed between the antenna port and first RX cavity or between the last RX cavity and receiver or does it matter? I know the cabling for this duplexer is kinda funky so I'm wondering just where in the cabling scheme of things any add on filters should be added and their cable lengths. I have a DB Products 4 can bandpass duplexer 150/160 mHz or so that's just sitting around doing nothing and I figured I'd put some of the cans to some use. The model is a DB 4044 but I don't know if the rods are long enough to tune to 146.775/.175 mHz (my 2 meter frequency)...never tried to tune it down low. Its currently on 152.915/159.900. If they can be used, should the add on cans be tuned independently and then the whole shebang re-tuned? All I have is a couple of simple service monitors with no spectrum analyzers or network analyzers...would I be able to get "close enough for government work" do you suppose? I'm not sure that there are any "qualified filter tuners" in my area (piedmont of NC). Thanks and Happy Holidays! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Where to buy DB 224e
Ralph If Derwood hasn't contacted you yet, he will. I gave him the info via email yesterday. 73 Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Mowery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have seen this discussed before but looked in the > past messages and could not find it. > > Where are some places to buy the DB224 exposed 4 bay > dipole antenna that will work in the 140 to 150 range > for a ham repeater ? > > If this is not the best antenna for under $ 1000 then > what other opinions are there ? I am looking to > replace a 25 year old station master type antenna. > > > de KU4PT > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: micor tripler problem re-visited
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Steve Rodgers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You are right. Maxtracs are 5ppm. For an amatuer application, this is not > much of an issue. I was unaware of the 2.5ppm commercial requirement. > > Steve > WA6ZFT > > Yea Steve, for GMRS 2.5 is required. I know for some other part 90 services, 5.0 is okjust not for GMRS and I surely don't want to get "busted". Thanks Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: micor tripler problem re-visited
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Steve Rodgers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What about using a Maxtrac LPIxxx series rafio? It has a 2W output. > > Steve WA6ZFT > > Hi Steve I did think about using a Maxtrac or another flavor radio. The only problem with that is the frequency stability. These repeaters are for GMRS and 2.5ppm is required and aren't maxtracs 5.0ppm? Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: micor tripler problem re-visited
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Custer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > rtoplus wrote: > > >Decision making time on my part. Background...I have 2 micor UHF > >repeaters, 1 is a stock community repeater flavor the other is a > >standard unit. The triplers are bad in both units. > > > > Fix the triplers > http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/micoruhftripler.html > > Kevin Custer Hi Kevin I must admit, I'm not good at troubleshooting/replacing component level stuff. With my luck, the transistors are fine and some other item is foul. As I mentioned in my post a while back, the tripler does triple...its the LLA that isn't doing it's job. I do have a tripler/LLA section from a micor mobile. Could it be used as a replacement on the station? Don't know if it works either tho. Just another thought. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] micor tripler problem re-visited
Decision making time on my part. Background...I have 2 micor UHF repeaters, 1 is a stock community repeater flavor the other is a standard unit. The triplers are bad in both units. After much searching for tripler replacements and by virtue of me being tired of having these 2 full size cabinets sitting uselessly in my office, I gotta do something. I was thinking as an option being to use an exciter board from Hamtronics...the crystal controlled one with the oven for part 90 compliance as a replacement for the stock micor exciter/tripler/low level amp. The receivers work fine in both of my units as do the power amps (100W). I do have a bad power supply in one unit tho (bad 9.5 voltage under a load) that will have to be replaced. These units will be used for GMRS usage so type acceptance is a must! Any thoughts or other recommendations? Thanks Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: filter question
Morning Jim The price thing I mentioned was in relation to the "new" price, which in Tessco is about $1900 wholesale. I ended up NOT buying the duplexer by the way...I UPS'd it back to him. Your statement about his employment probably is correct. My word "tech" likely was in- accurate and his competance certainly is questionable at best...but he surely knows more than I, and most of you good folks here in this forum probabaly have forgotten more than I could ever hope to learn!!! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > . > I wouldn't call that a good price for a used duplexer, especially since > it obviously didn't work. I also suspect that, like most, he is not > really a Motorola tech, but works for an independant dealer who services > motorola (MSS). You will find widely varying degrees of competance, just > as with any two-way radio shop. There are not as many *real* Motorola > techs out there as one might think. Most are MSS's. > > -- > Jim Barbour > WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: filter question
Hi Steve I haven't had a chance to remove the pre-amp. Here's the story... My handy-dandy motorola tech came to the site about 3 months ago to "help". He told me I had about 6db-10db of desense according to his zillion dollar service monitor. He was wanting to sell me a used Celwave 5042-1 duplexer he had. He offered it to me for a good price...$600.00 so I bit and we hooked it up and tuned it. I asked him about the preamp and he said I should leave it in place. I said OK and he went on his merry way. A ham buddy of mine and me then took off in different directions to check out the "new" system. The desense was worse than ever Just a few miles from the site, any attempt to use the repeater caused the repeater transmitter to key on and off constantly. Next day, I went back to the site, removed the celwave and put the sinclair back on...problem went away. I got home and looked up the specs on the celwave and lo and behold, the sinclair had much better specs. The radio tech blamed everything on the antenna I have, which I know causes some problems, but like I said in an earlier post, my options are somewhat limited (any suggestions in this area would be welcome!). Needless to say, I've not used this guy again. Anyway, I haven't removed the preamp. If I do remove it, does the receiver need to be retuned? That's one reason I've not removed it cause its a bit tough to get my equipment to the site if retuning is needed. Thanks Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Bosshard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does it de-sense without the pre-amp? > Steve > NU5D Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: filter question
Hi there Skip I'll address your input like you did: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "rtoplus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi > > I'm thinking about putting 1 or 2 bandpass filters > > on my repeater receiver...got some desense. System > > is: MSR 2000, VHF 2 meter, about 50 watts out of > > the duplexer, 1/2 in hardline, 1/4 in hardline > > jumpers, el cheapo antenna (I know, I know), stock > > pre-amp, etc. > > It would be better to find the source of the problem. > If it is desense and what's causing it. Some simple > checks could give you an idea of the problem source(s). My duplexer is a older Sinclair P-202G...the one with the di- electric tubes for notch adjusters. As per repeater-builder info, here are the specs: Q-202G (132-174 MHz) (in splits 132-150, 148-174) Type: 4 cavity pass-reject Minimum freq. spacing 0.5 MHz Insertion loss 1.5 dB Max. continuous power 350 watts Tx noise supp. at Rx freq. 80 dB Rx isolation at Tx freq. 80 dB Temperature range -40 to +60C VSWR 1.5:1 I'm thinking that along with my junk antenna, the duplexer doesn't have enough isolation. > > > Question is: > > 1. Is the jumper length from the pass filter to the > > duplexer or PA to the pass filter critical? > > Most generic repeater people will say no. But it > does make a difference. I say yes and follow rules > of thumb on certain repeater system cable lengths, > this specific cable being one of them. > Do you follow the same rule as duplexer interconnect lengths? i.e. ((234/frequency) * 12) * cable velocity = cable length in inches (or multiples thereof)? > > 2. If I use more than 1 filter, is the length of the cable > > between the added on filters critical? > > Yes and use the same formula as above? > > > 5. Would I be better off using notch filters as opposed to pass > > filters? > > You don't know what the problem is yet... and you > didn't indicate what type of duplexer you are using. > > Number 5 alive says... "need input?" > see above for duplexer info. The antenna I feel for sure is causing some desense and junk...dual band (144/440) Comet co-linear. The repeater is set-up in a historical district on a roof-top, so stealth is a concern as is the building owner who really don't want me to increase antenna height for example using a stationmaster so my choices are somewhat limited. > Do you have a isolator or circulator in line? > no, I don't have either at this time > > I'm at a somewhat low noise site...closest RF stuff is about 200 > > yards away with the exception of my micor GMRS UHF repeater (50 > > watts) that's co-located at the site. > > Nice to be at a low noise site. You might not need the additional > filters. You should find and address the desense problem first. > Thanks again! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] filter question
Hi I'm thinking about putting 1 or 2 bandpass filters on my repeater receiver...got some desense. System is: MSR 2000, VHF 2 meter, about 50 watts out of the duplexer, 1/2 in hardline, 1/4 in hardline jumpers, el cheapo antenna (I know, I know), stock pre-amp, etc. Question is: 1. Is the jumper length from the pass filter to the duplexer or PA to the pass filter critical? 2. If I use more than 1 filter, is the length of the cable between the added on filters critical? 3. Will the interconnect cables within the duplexer need to be changed? 4. Will the duplexer need to be re-tuned? 5. Would I be better off using notch filters as opposed to pass filters? I'm at a somewhat low noise site...closest RF stuff is about 200 yards away with the exception of my micor GMRS UHF repeater (50 watts) that's co-located at the site. Thanks Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Now for some totally off topic, light hearted humor
>From another group Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 FBI agents conducted a raid of a psychiatric hospital in San Diego that was under investigation for medical insurance fraud. After hours of reviewing thousands of medical records, the dozens of agents had worked up quite an appetite. The agent in charge of the investigation called a nearby pizza parlor with delivery service to order a quick dinner for his colleagues. The following telephone conversation took place and was recorded by the FBI because they were taping all conversations at the hospital. Agent: "Hello. I'd like to order 19 large pizzas and 3 cases of soda." Pizza Man: "And where would you like them delivered?" Agent: "We're over at the psychiatric hospital." Pizza Man: "The psychiatric hospital?" Agent: "That's right. I'm an FBI agent." Pizza Man: " You're an FBI agent?" Agent: "That's correct. Just about everybody here is." Pizza Man: " And you're at the psychiatric hospital?" Agent: "That's correct. Make sure you don't go through the front doors. We have them locked. You'll have to go around to the back service entrance to deliver the pizzas." Pizza Man: " And you say you're all FBI agents there?" Agent: "That's right. How soon can you have them here?" Pizza Man: "Everyone at the psychiatric hospital is an FBI agent?" Agent: "That's right. We've been here all day and we're starving." Pizza Man: "How are you going to pay for all of this?" Agent: "I have my checkbook." Pizza Man: "And you're all FBI agents?" Agent: "Yes." Pizza Man: "With guns?" Agent: "That's right. Now, can you remember to bring the pizzas and sodas to the service entrance in the rear? We have the front doors locked." Pizza Man: "No f--ckin' way." *Click* - ---\ - The CIA had an opening for an assassin. After all of the applications, resumes, and background checks were done, there were three finalists left: two men and a woman. For the final test, the CIA agents took one of the men to a large metal door and handed him a gun. "We must know that you will follow our instructions to the letter, and without question. Inside of this room, you will find your wife sitting in a chair. Kill her." The man said, "You can't be serious... I could never shoot my wife!" The agent said, "Then you're not the right man for this job," and the man was dismissed. The second man was given the same instructions. He took the gun and went into the room. All was quiet for about five minutes. Then the man came out with tears in his eyes. "I tried, but... I can't kill my wife." The agent said, "You don't have what it takes. Go home." Finally, it was the woman's turn. She was given similar instructions: to go into the next room and shoot her husband. She took the gun and entered the room. Shots exploded, one after another. They heard screaming, crashing, banging on the walls. After a long minute, all was quiet. The door opened slowly and there stood the woman. Wiping the sweat from her brow, she said, "You guys didn't tell me the gun was loaded with blanks...I had to beat him to death with the chair!" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
On a similar note, I have seen some folks using converted mitrek mobles and also standard MSR2000 repeaters as GMRS repeaters. Unless, like Joe said, they are using an optional 2.5ppm element, they most certainly don't stand up to the GMRS "repeater" criteria. And as to another posters statement that "no" mobiles qualify for repeater useage, take note of the Maxon Enduro series UHF repeater as one example. It is built out of 2 mobiles with a power supply and a mobile duplexer. If you check out the specs, it is specifically certificated for part 95 usage. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Fargo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/47cfr95_03.html > > > (c) A small control station at a point > > north of Line A or east of Line C must > > transmit with no more than 5 watts > > ERP. > > (d) A fixed station must transmit > > with no more than 15 watts output > > power. > > (e) A small base station must transmit > > with no more than 5 watts ERP. > > [48 FR 35237, Aug. 3, 1983, as amended at 53 > > FR 47717, Nov. 25, 1988; 63 FR 68975, Dec. 14, > > 1998] > > - Original Message - > From: Joe Montierth > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > > > --- Q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You are wrong,it is illegal. Doesnt mean all those > > people were right,that > > doesnt make it legal. They just havent been caught > > yet... > > > > Please cite the FCC rule that would make this > illegal, I have read and re-read the rules for years > now, and have yet to find one that bans mobile radios > as repeaters (or handhelds for that matter). > > Joe > Joe is correct. What he is saying is that for a station to qualify as a small base station, it must not transmit over 5 watts, can maintain 5PPM tolerance, and must have an antenna height not greater than 20' above the ground or building it is mounted on. To qualify as a "standard" base station (or repeater for that matter), there is no antenna height restriction (200' without FAA approval and registration and airport glide slope excepted), 50 watts power, and 2.5ppm tolerance. But for the original question, either way you go, it must be certificated. There is an ongoing debate within GMRS folks as to whether Part 90 certification automatically means part 95 certification as well. You'll never get a final answer on this one! Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amatuer KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] stuck repeater: ?resolved?
Well I visited the site and powered down everything...let it all rest for about 5 minutes. After powering back up, everything seems fine. The heat sink was hot as a firecracker, naturally (got up to 90 degrees here today as well and the repeaters are in a tupperware tool/garden house). The fellow that owns the building said that in the past couple of weeks, his security system has been acting up as well. I do have all of my equipment (2 meter msr2000 and GMRS micor) as well as the external controllers on surge protection. My only guess is like someone said earlier, that the microprocessor got confused and burped. Its been about 5 hours or so and so far so good. I did try to do the DTMF keydown for about 30 secs before visiting the site for a warm reset...no avail. Also, there was a comment about passing audio. Before visiting the site I couldn't tell if audio was passing from the receiver to the transmitter or not. The courtesy tone did transmit tho when I keyed the repeater with my HT. The repeater is passing audio now cause there has been some activity on the repeater (this is a very little used machine). Thanks to all for your suggestions...I hope the repeater/controller is "fixed"! PS. The PA survived Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: update: stuck repeater
Thank you Mathew PS. I know Kevin doesn't allow rules discussions, but in my case today, should I periodically transmit my call sign through the repeater just to alert folks as what's going on with the repeater? Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hopefully it is just somthing interfering and no damage has been done, Then > you would know your intermittant duty amp passed the light duty mode. Good > Luck. > > Mathew > > - Original Message - > From: "rtoplus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:50 AM > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] update: stuck repeater > > > > Well its now 9:50 EST. The repeater has been keyed up since 2:00 > > AM. Just a few of minutes ago, it stopped. No funny noises, no > > nothing...just stopped. Then, as I was typing this, it keyed up > > again. During the time period that it was unkeyed, I keyed it up > > with my HT and it responded just fine. I'm getting ready to head up > > to the site in about an hour. > > > > > > Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] update: stuck repeater
Well its now 9:50 EST. The repeater has been keyed up since 2:00 AM. Just a few of minutes ago, it stopped. No funny noises, no nothing...just stopped. Then, as I was typing this, it keyed up again. During the time period that it was unkeyed, I keyed it up with my HT and it responded just fine. I'm getting ready to head up to the site in about an hour. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] stuck repeater
Greetings from NC at 2:45AM After arising at about 2:00 AM for a nature call, I noticed on my scanner, an un-modulated signal. I turned on the lights in the house to check the channel on the scanner. Damnit, it's my 2 meter repeater! I don't know how long its been keyed up cause I've been sleeping (not anymore tonight). I attempted to disable the controler (zetron model 37) and got all the right response codes but the repeater is still chugging right along. It has a 3 minute timeout timer set on the controller and the morse ID is set for 10 minutes. Its been about 45 minutes since I've been up and no ID and no timeout. I'm not sure if the repeater (msr2000) has the stock timeout timer card still installed or not, I can't remember. There is nothing I can do at this hour as the repeater is a business rooftop installation with no access until 10:00AM. My thoughts are that my controller went south cause I can key the repeater and hear the courtesy beep when I unkey but I still get no morse ID and also I also totally reset the controller to the factory defaults and the repeater still stays keyed. I'm surprised my PA hasn't burned up yet...intermittant duty set at about 55 watts. Any thoughts from you folks at what other things I might look for in the AM? Thanks a bunch Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Greetings OK...OK...this is off topic, I'm sorry. I posted the same thing in the Motorola group and I'm not sure it'll be answered there so I thought I'd post it here too. I have acquired a bunch of ht440's and ht90's. Currently crystled for service in the 154 mhz area. I checked out batlabs (and did a google search with no evail), and me not being too electronicly inclined (I can tune a radio, just didn't understand some of what they presented), am wondering if these radios can be rock'd for (and work well) around 146 mhz. And if so, in the same radio, these are 4 channel units, would they support a couple of channels at 146 and a couple at 152/159 mhz. I'm not gonna replace a bunch of parts...it ain't worth my time...but if all is needed is the correct crystal and alignment, then that's ok. I like the "brick" feel of these radios and I'd like to put them into service if feasable. I have a service manual also by the way. Ya'll please forgive me for posting here, but I hate to see "good" equipment going to waste in my basement. thanks Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] 2 meter antenna selection
Greetings all Here's the situation. Our repeater is at 146.775-. Currently, we have a real cheapie antenna and we want to replace it. We have somewhat of a stealth situation in that our location is within a histerical (historical) district and our "hosts" don't want the height of the antenna to get raised much if any at all. Total height from ground level to antenna tip as it is now is about 100' or so. Our hosts don't mind us increasing the girth of the antenna or mounting system (currently we use 15' of regular television type mast). We only have to run about 40' of 1/2 hardline from the repeater to the antenna (we're on a rooftop). The repeater is a MSR2000 and has a factory preamp and Sinclair Q-202G cans. As of this last Saturday when we were up there, the receiver had about .20 micV of sensitivity. Don't really know the loss and/or the isolation of the duplexer...I'm sure it can be tuned better. We're debating between 4 different antennas to replace the junk we have now 1. PD1167 3Dbd, 11.8' tall, fiberglass, 36deg vertical, 8 lbs weight, having trouble finding a vendor that isn't export only, prolly could use the existing mast, ain't sure of cost 2. PD440-3, 11.5' tall, dipole, 3 Dbd, 33deg vertical, 19 lbs, (would have to use a larger mast), $365.00 3. DB222-E, 10.5' tall, dipole, d Dbd, 36 deg vertical, 16 lbs, (prolly have to use larger mast), $250, not exactly tuned for 146.775, it's rated from 150-158 Mhzcourious as to the SWR and if it would work 4. Comtelco BS150XL3-A, 8' tall, 3Dbd, 40 deg vertical, 6 lbs, can use the existing mast, not sure how it would work on a repeater, $150 plus mounts Bear in mind, stealth is a major issue, that's why we are having to choose from these models if we are to keep the mast height we currently have. The existing mast is mounted against the handrail for the walking platform of an elevator house. From the bottom of the platform to the top of the elevator house is a bit under 10' so the tip of the existing antenna is about 15' or so above the roof of the elevator house. Also should mention that this area is the piedmont area and that the repeater site (antenna tip) is prolly 150' or so HAAT. Do you folks think we would be better off by: 1. getting some other antenna with a higher gain figure than mentioned above (20' long or so) and reduce the mast height by about 5 feet, and if so, what would you recommend 2. select one of the above mentioned antennas and if so, which would you select 3. contract with Nextel to provide our emergency communications 4. start collecting stamps instead of spending tons of time and $$$ simply to help our community in times of crisis (God forbid that happens) Bob, Amateur KG4WAD, GMRS WPVV845, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer Cable Legnth
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Davies, Doug A FOR:EX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been having a heck of a time getting my Q202G to tune to 146.xxx.. DougI share your grief! I'm also on 146.775...However, I found out something today! This is a kinda long story so bear with me. I also have this flavor duplexer...orig. tuned to prolly 160 or so. When I purchased it, it wouldn't tune like you say. I ended up replacing the interconnect cables using the 1/4 wave formula (6 cables to make...about 13" or so long each I think). Well, it still wouldn't tune right...the notch wouldn't do right. I don't have any fancy tuning equipment so I was trying to rough it in with 2 service monitors and a dummy load. Anyway, after even a motorola guy with a tracking generator couldn't get it to work I almost gave up. Today I said heck, I'm gonna try something else. I removed the "new" cables on the high pass side and replaced them with the "old" cables which were about 2 or 3 inches shorter than the ones I made. Well, son of a gun (actually I said something else), I was able to notch out on that side now! The low pass side notched ok with the new cables. Now bear in mind, I've not put this on any kind of a spectrum analyzer or tracking generator to fine tune it so I know it can do a whole bunch better, but before I was running out of tuning space on the notch tube (hell, I don't know what to call it) and now I have a bit to play with. Where I wasn't able to talk using a handheld 2 or so miles away without the repeater cycling on/off on/off on/offnow I can talk about 5 miles away with the same handheld on low power and mobile use has been extended from about 6 miles to roughly 15-18 miles with no cycling at all.(my mobile only has a 1/4 wave antenna tuned to 160 mhz so it's not optimized for 2 meters) and my repeater site ain't very high so ya'll don't laugh, but it's free I don't know if this makes any senseactually it doesn't to me...LOL...but all I know is that I now can use my repeater where it was "brain dead" before. I'm not a repeater "guru" by no means and prolly my descriptions and stuff don't make a lot of sense, but I thought maybe my experience might be of help. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Digest2326
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Bob > Verify that you have the correct voltages as Kevin suggested. The Micor > uses a tripler amplifier and if it has a low output it will not key the PA. To > verify that it. Look on the front of the Micor shelf disconnect the left RF > cable coming from Pa (output of the Tripler). Connect a wattmeter with a dummy > load to the BNC connector of the Tripler (not the PA cable). You should see 1-2 > watts when you key the transmitter from the station control. If not check the > voltage going to the tripler should be 12volts. You can check the exciter by > removing the tripler and plugging a wattmeter in its place (1st band pass > filter). Verify that you have RF there. This will be in the VHF range about a 1/2 > watt or so. Do not rely on the fact that you can hear the exciter on your > handheld. If you have RF at the exciter and nothing at the output of the Tripler > and you haven't changed the original FREQ then you guess it the Tripler has > gone south. You must be very careful with these Triplers to insure you all ways > have a load on the output i.e.: PA or dummy load. The Tripler can be repaired > see the Repeater-Builders Web site. You can check the output of the Tripler > stages by connecting a wattmeter or using RF probe on your voltmeter to check > the different stages of the tripler. I've repair a couple of the Micor Triplers > and they come back up and work fine. > Good luck > Mike Thanks Mike. Correct me if I'm wrong, when I engage the transmit switch on the station control card, shouldn't the meter readings change? I have another micor here at the office (UHF community repeater) and I inserted the test set into the exciter. This was yesterday when I did this, but I think that readings on all 5 test set settings were 0 until I engaged the transmit switch on the station control card...then got the correct readings throughout the test settings. See, these two aren't behaving the same (course this repeater has its own problem...no audio on repeat...local audio but no repeat audio). Like I mentioned in an earlier reply to a fine fellow, it seems as if the exciter is excited all the time regardless if I attempt to key it up with my handheld or use the station control switch because there are no changes in meter readings (manual says "key the transmitter with the XMTR ON pushbutton on the portable test set" which I did. I also checked the PA with my handheld and it powers just fine by the way. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: #$%#$F@#$ Micor
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Maire Company" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would try first to clean all the boards where they plug into the back > board. > also the connections on all the boards to the sub boards also check the 9.6 > volt fuse > good luck > > I'll try that. The funky thing is the meter readingsthese readings are the repeater at restsupposidly not transmitting! It appears as if the exciter is engaged full time. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] #$%#$F@#$ Micor
I'm buffalo'd (not unusual for me). Got a UHF (462 mhz) unified micor...was working fine a couple of weeks ago...it's just been siting in my office unplugged. I finally got around to tuning the duplexer today and when I connected everything back up...nuttin. I can't key up using the station control switch. When bypassing the PA, and hooked the exciter (low level amp out) to the watt meter (5w slug), there is no reading when the station is keyed, turned on or off, or when I key it up with my hand held. On my service monitor, I can pass the pl tone to the repeater and hear it through my handheld on the repeater output freq. There is no external controller on this by the way. I plugged in the test set and here are the readings... switch 1...0 switch 2...26 switch 3...36 switch 4...32 switch 5...starts out at 10 when the unit is cold and then drops to 4 Again, when the unit is keyed, nothing changes. My hand held picks up a signal also when the unit is just sitting there. If I key my handheld, I can hear a squelch tail. The exciter gets fairly warm too. Any ideas? Thanks Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re:My bird flew the coup
Thanks all for the replies. I'll do a cleaning job first and then proceed from there. 73 Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: My bird flew the coup
Hi Fred Yea...tried that...no happenings Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Flowers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The meter may be stuck. Give it a rap. > > > >From: "rtoplus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] My bird flew the coup > >Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:12:24 - > > > >Hi folks > > > >It appears as if my bird 43 meter has flown south for the winter. > >It reads slightly but only slightly. I've tried multiple radios, > >multiple bands, and multiple slugs...no avail. Any ideas how to > >bring this rascal home? > > > >thanks > >Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > _ > Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage > now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] My bird flew the coup
Hi folks It appears as if my bird 43 meter has flown south for the winter. It reads slightly but only slightly. I've tried multiple radios, multiple bands, and multiple slugs...no avail. Any ideas how to bring this rascal home? thanks Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Regency Repeater
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Virden Clark Beckman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I doubt if this can be used anymore as the spectrum is narrow band, if > this is 4 or 5 plus years old it may be moved to ham band? > Hi Sure can be used. LMRS has to be phased (business use) to narrow within the next 5 years (time frame I think), public safety within 10...again I thinksomeone correct me on the time period if I'm not correct. Never-the-less, GMRS is not affected by this (at present). This repeater is certificated for part 95 usage. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Regency Repeater
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel V. Keane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have recently acquired a Regency Repeater. I know nothing about it and am looking for any information or manuals. The crystals will need to be changed for GMRS use (462.550). > > It says: FCC DATA: Regency UHF Repeater Micro Com UO1R > > What is the difference between above and a U1OR? As I have searched the web and this model number comes up, will this manual give any useful information? > > TIA > dk Hi Daniel I think I have an extra service manual I could part with for about $10.00 plus shipping. If I'm not mistaken, the U10R has the built- in PA and the U01R has no PAyou must use an external PA. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Motorola remotes and such
Greetings all I'm not sure if this is the correct forum for this question, but here goes. I have a couple of motorola desktop remotes, models L1474A and a series 90 model T1882B along with a funky motorola box that says Command Series model L1547A with lights for power, line PTT, and monitor...also has connections on the rear for radio interface, remote 12V AC, and levels for line, TX, balance and a row of 8 dip switches. I'd like to utilize the remotes for a couple of micor full blown repeaters I have but can't find any info regarding wiring and such. Also, I'm not sure what the purpose of this box thing is for. Any info is appreciated. 73 Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
