Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-28 Thread Thierry 
Hi,

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:28:27AM +0100, Stan Schymanski wrote:
> Awesome, thanks again! The Live CD works very well, the only thing I had to
> add is sudo apt-get install cifs-utils, before being able to access our
> samba shares.

Note that if you do:

sudo apt-get install cifs-utils

the package will not be present at next reboot (it was installed in RAM).
If you want to keep the feature for further reboots, you can do:

keep install cifs-utils

(from a fresh session, not during the session when you did 
 'sudo apt-get install cifs-utils').

> Plus I didn't find an obvious way of changing the keyboard
> layout, so we installed the needed layout and uninstalled the standard one.
> I now saw in the documentation that there should be an obvious way, just
> wasn't obvious enough for us.

I added a "Tool" icon on the desktop for that purpose, because some users
could not find it from the top-left the menu. Apparently, my ergonomics
skills are not optimal :/

Ciao,
Thierry

> Cheers
> 
> Stan
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-28 Thread Stan Schymanski 
Awesome, thanks again! The Live CD works very well, the only thing I had 
to add is sudo apt-get install cifs-utils, before being able to access 
our samba shares. Plus I didn't find an obvious way of changing the 
keyboard layout, so we installed the needed layout and uninstalled the 
standard one. I now saw in the documentation that there should be an 
obvious way, just wasn't obvious enough for us.


Cheers

Stan


On 11/27/2016 04:31 PM, Thierry wrote:

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 04:23:55PM +0100, Stan Schymanski wrote:

Sorry, I got confused, you are absolutely right, only the MAC address is
relevant for the intranet and that one does not change. I think I also got
confused about the requirement to reboot when trying out the Ubuntu Live CD.
I thought it was possible to try without rebooting, but I can't find any
evidence for that now.

OK. If you try the live and have any comment or request, do not hesitate
to send feedback !

By the way, note that you can always fake your MAC address as follows:

sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55

or (wifi)

sudo ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55

(the network manager also has options for that).

Ciao,
Thierry




Cheers
Stan

On 27/11/16 15:04, Thierry wrote:

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 02:50:22PM +0100, Stan Schymanski wrote:

Wow, thank you! Is it required to boot into the live image, or could one
also run it within windows, similar to the Ubuntu live usb sticks? The
problem with booting into the live image is that one would probably lose
intranet connectivity.

I do not know about ubuntu live options to run within windows (i would be
happy to get a link and, if possible, provide a similar thing in further
versions). What i could say is that you can run it from qemu and probably
other hypervisors (i do it sometimes for testing purposes), but i do not
see the benefit in a daily use since you might lose performances.

What do you mean by intranet connectivity ? If you boot from the live USB,
you get tons of wifi drivers and a network manager with all available
plugins, including various VPN (i added those after a workshop in Iran).

Ciao,
Thierry




Stan


On 11/27/2016 02:33 PM, Thierry wrote:

An alternative that has proven to work pretty well in warious workshops is
the live USB (which is still maintained an in heavy development):

http://www.sagemath.org/download-liveusb.html
https://sagedebianlive.metelu.net/

Ciao,
Thierry


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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-27 Thread Thierry 
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 04:23:55PM +0100, Stan Schymanski wrote:
> Sorry, I got confused, you are absolutely right, only the MAC address is
> relevant for the intranet and that one does not change. I think I also got
> confused about the requirement to reboot when trying out the Ubuntu Live CD.
> I thought it was possible to try without rebooting, but I can't find any
> evidence for that now.

OK. If you try the live and have any comment or request, do not hesitate
to send feedback !

By the way, note that you can always fake your MAC address as follows:

sudo ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55

or (wifi)

sudo ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55

(the network manager also has options for that).

Ciao,
Thierry



> Cheers
> Stan
> 
> On 27/11/16 15:04, Thierry wrote:
> >On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 02:50:22PM +0100, Stan Schymanski wrote:
> >>Wow, thank you! Is it required to boot into the live image, or could one
> >>also run it within windows, similar to the Ubuntu live usb sticks? The
> >>problem with booting into the live image is that one would probably lose
> >>intranet connectivity.
> >
> >I do not know about ubuntu live options to run within windows (i would be
> >happy to get a link and, if possible, provide a similar thing in further
> >versions). What i could say is that you can run it from qemu and probably
> >other hypervisors (i do it sometimes for testing purposes), but i do not
> >see the benefit in a daily use since you might lose performances.
> >
> >What do you mean by intranet connectivity ? If you boot from the live USB,
> >you get tons of wifi drivers and a network manager with all available
> >plugins, including various VPN (i added those after a workshop in Iran).
> >
> >Ciao,
> >Thierry
> >
> >
> >
> >>Stan
> >>
> >>
> >>On 11/27/2016 02:33 PM, Thierry wrote:
> >>>An alternative that has proven to work pretty well in warious workshops is
> >>>the live USB (which is still maintained an in heavy development):
> >>>
> >>>http://www.sagemath.org/download-liveusb.html
> >>>https://sagedebianlive.metelu.net/
> >>>
> >>>Ciao,
> >>>Thierry
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-27 Thread Stan Schymanski 
Sorry, I got confused, you are absolutely right, only the MAC address is 
relevant for the intranet and that one does not change. I think I also 
got confused about the requirement to reboot when trying out the Ubuntu 
Live CD. I thought it was possible to try without rebooting, but I can't 
find any evidence for that now.


Cheers
Stan

On 27/11/16 15:04, Thierry wrote:

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 02:50:22PM +0100, Stan Schymanski wrote:

Wow, thank you! Is it required to boot into the live image, or could one
also run it within windows, similar to the Ubuntu live usb sticks? The
problem with booting into the live image is that one would probably lose
intranet connectivity.


I do not know about ubuntu live options to run within windows (i would be
happy to get a link and, if possible, provide a similar thing in further
versions). What i could say is that you can run it from qemu and probably
other hypervisors (i do it sometimes for testing purposes), but i do not
see the benefit in a daily use since you might lose performances.

What do you mean by intranet connectivity ? If you boot from the live USB,
you get tons of wifi drivers and a network manager with all available
plugins, including various VPN (i added those after a workshop in Iran).

Ciao,
Thierry




Stan


On 11/27/2016 02:33 PM, Thierry wrote:

An alternative that has proven to work pretty well in warious workshops is
the live USB (which is still maintained an in heavy development):

http://www.sagemath.org/download-liveusb.html
https://sagedebianlive.metelu.net/

Ciao,
Thierry



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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-27 Thread Thierry 
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 02:50:22PM +0100, Stan Schymanski wrote:
> Wow, thank you! Is it required to boot into the live image, or could one
> also run it within windows, similar to the Ubuntu live usb sticks? The
> problem with booting into the live image is that one would probably lose
> intranet connectivity.

I do not know about ubuntu live options to run within windows (i would be
happy to get a link and, if possible, provide a similar thing in further
versions). What i could say is that you can run it from qemu and probably
other hypervisors (i do it sometimes for testing purposes), but i do not
see the benefit in a daily use since you might lose performances.

What do you mean by intranet connectivity ? If you boot from the live USB,
you get tons of wifi drivers and a network manager with all available
plugins, including various VPN (i added those after a workshop in Iran).

Ciao,
Thierry


 
> Stan
> 
> 
> On 11/27/2016 02:33 PM, Thierry wrote:
> >An alternative that has proven to work pretty well in warious workshops is
> >the live USB (which is still maintained an in heavy development):
> >
> >http://www.sagemath.org/download-liveusb.html
> >https://sagedebianlive.metelu.net/
> >
> >Ciao,
> >Thierry
> >
> 
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-27 Thread Stan Schymanski 
Wow, thank you! Is it required to boot into the live image, or could one 
also run it within windows, similar to the Ubuntu live usb sticks? The 
problem with booting into the live image is that one would probably lose 
intranet connectivity.


Stan


On 11/27/2016 02:33 PM, Thierry wrote:

An alternative that has proven to work pretty well in warious workshops is
the live USB (which is still maintained an in heavy development):

http://www.sagemath.org/download-liveusb.html
https://sagedebianlive.metelu.net/

Ciao,
Thierry



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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-27 Thread Thierry 
Hi,

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 02:23:54PM +0100, Stan Schymanski wrote:
[...]
> I will test the different options mentioned in this thread before I get the
> next student to use sagemath in windows. Could the relevant bits of this
> thread or some links/instructions to try out alternative methods be posted
> on sagemath.org? I think this could greatly extend the pool of testers and
> help figure out the most promising way forward.

An alternative that has proven to work pretty well in warious workshops is
the live USB (which is still maintained an in heavy development):

http://www.sagemath.org/download-liveusb.html
https://sagedebianlive.metelu.net/

Ciao,
Thierry

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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-27 Thread Stan Schymanski 

Sorry for the long delay in replying.

We do have Windows enterprise on our institute computers (whichever 
version is the deemed the latest reliable one), so Thomas should be able 
to install the Docker image. The only problem is that by now he is in 
the final stage of his project, so we don't want to experiment with 
software too much now.


The sage-on-windows experience we had was a bit frustrating, for him 
because he cannot follow at all what I had to do in order to make it run 
and for me because sage runs so much more sluggish and is so much more 
inconvenient to use on windows compared to linux, if following the 
'official instructions' on sagemath.org, i.e. the VB way. I suggested to 
Thomas to install a full linux image in VB and then run sage inside this 
image, so that he could use it exactly the same way as I do on my 
machine, but he was too busy to try it out. I also suspect that this 
could make it even slower than the minimal VB image with pre-installed 
sage, so the Docker way seems more promising.


I will test the different options mentioned in this thread before I get 
the next student to use sagemath in windows. Could the relevant bits of 
this thread or some links/instructions to try out alternative methods be 
posted on sagemath.org? I think this could greatly extend the pool of 
testers and help figure out the most promising way forward.


Stan


On 11/15/2016 10:34 PM, William Stein wrote:

I don't know anything about the current Windows install ecosystem
among our target audience.  On what basis do you conclude that a very
substantial fraction don't have the ability to run Docker?

** Hey Stan Schymanski ** does your student have the ability to run Docker?
https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/

William



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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-16 Thread Erik Bray 
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 2:28 AM, William Stein  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 9:35:23 PM UTC, William wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
>>> > as
>>> > https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/#download-docker-for-windows
>>> > says:
>>> > "Docker for Windows requires 64bit Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise and
>>> > Education
>>> > (1511 November update, Build 10586 or later) and Microsoft Hyper-V."
>>> > So this looks like we are SOL with Docker as the primary way to provide
>>> > Sage
>>> > on Windows...
>>>
>>> I don't know anything about the current Windows install ecosystem
>>> among our target audience.  On what basis do you conclude that a very
>>> substantial fraction don't have the ability to run Docker?
>>
>>
>> Well, go to something like dell.com and see for yourself.
>> A standard Windows edition sold with budget laptops is not Professional, it
>> is Home.
>> (and still Windows 8.1 is available, and people choose it for a variety of
>> reasons)
>
> OK, you win.  And it costs $100 to upgrade, evidently.Forget my
> remarks about Docker for windows. It's clear Docker has very much
> become mainly a developer tool -- at least on Windows  -- not a
> software delivery system.   Oh well.

This is not exactly true, but you couldn't be blamed for thinking
otherwise.  Docker has been frustratingly unclear in communicating
their strategy regarding Windows, and while I have mostly teased it
out, I have, in turn, had a frustrating time trying to dispel
misconceptions.

What you say is mostly true, yes, but "Docker for Windows" is the name
of a *specific* product--it should be read almost like "Docker for
Windows™".  It's not "Docker™ (for Windows)", i.e. *the* release of
Docker, for Windows.  They have been trying to position it as such in
order to reduce the number of products they're supporting, which is
why the information is unclear.

But there is still also the Docker Toolbox (which predates "Docker for
Windows") which does not depend on Hyper-V.  I think they are trying
to deprecate that but as far as I can tell they haven't officially
done that either.  It could still be taken over as a community project
if Docker Inc. does not support it anymore.  Docker Toolbox is what my
initial attempt at distributing a Sage for Windows running on Docker
was based on.  This still has some problems as a "software delivery
system", however, as I reported in detail here:

https://github.com/OpenDreamKit/OpenDreamKit/wiki/D3.1-Virtual-images-and-containers#sagemath

So Docker Toolbox still has limitations, but will work on a wider
range of systems than "Docker for Windows".  That said, it's tricky to
use simply for "software delivery" for end users, and was never really
intended for that in the first place.  For that matter, the Windows
Subsystem for Linux (aka "Bash for Windows" which is really a terrible
misnomer), is also meant purely as a developer tool.  This is why my
efforts are still focused on getting Sage to actually work on Windows
(which it does now, or did, but keeping up with the moving target of
Sage's dependencies has been a nightmare.  For example, Sage was
working great on Windows until the upgrade to Singular 4 which broke
everything again).

All that said, for now, I would still strongly suggest Docker as the
best way to run Sage on Windows.


>>> ** Hey Stan Schymanski ** does your student have the ability to run
>>> Docker?
>>> https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/
>>>
>>> William
>>>
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-16 Thread Dima Pasechnik 


On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 1:28:44 AM UTC, William wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Dima Pasechnik  > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 9:35:23 PM UTC, William wrote: 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Dima Pasechnik  
> wrote: 
> >> > as 
> >> > 
> https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/#download-docker-for-windows 
> >> > says: 
> >> > "Docker for Windows requires 64bit Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise and 
> >> > Education 
> >> > (1511 November update, Build 10586 or later) and Microsoft Hyper-V." 
> >> > So this looks like we are SOL with Docker as the primary way to 
> provide 
> >> > Sage 
> >> > on Windows... 
> >> 
> >> I don't know anything about the current Windows install ecosystem 
> >> among our target audience.  On what basis do you conclude that a very 
> >> substantial fraction don't have the ability to run Docker? 
> > 
> > 
> > Well, go to something like dell.com and see for yourself. 
> > A standard Windows edition sold with budget laptops is not Professional, 
> it 
> > is Home. 
> > (and still Windows 8.1 is available, and people choose it for a variety 
> of 
> > reasons) 
>
> OK, you win.  And it costs $100 to upgrade, evidently.Forget my 
> remarks about Docker for windows. It's clear Docker has very much 
> become mainly a developer tool -- at least on Windows  -- not a 
> software delivery system.   Oh well. 
>

In fact, "Bash in Windows" option to deploy Sage is more inclusive in this
sense, as it will also run on 64-bit Windows 10 Home.

Last time it was mentioned that while building Sage in such an environment 
still
does not work, a binary Ubuntu install does run.


 

>
> William 
>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ** Hey Stan Schymanski ** does your student have the ability to run 
> >> Docker? 
> >> https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/ 
> >> 
> >> William 
> >> 
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread William Stein 
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 9:35:23 PM UTC, William wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
>> > as
>> > https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/#download-docker-for-windows
>> > says:
>> > "Docker for Windows requires 64bit Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise and
>> > Education
>> > (1511 November update, Build 10586 or later) and Microsoft Hyper-V."
>> > So this looks like we are SOL with Docker as the primary way to provide
>> > Sage
>> > on Windows...
>>
>> I don't know anything about the current Windows install ecosystem
>> among our target audience.  On what basis do you conclude that a very
>> substantial fraction don't have the ability to run Docker?
>
>
> Well, go to something like dell.com and see for yourself.
> A standard Windows edition sold with budget laptops is not Professional, it
> is Home.
> (and still Windows 8.1 is available, and people choose it for a variety of
> reasons)

OK, you win.  And it costs $100 to upgrade, evidently.Forget my
remarks about Docker for windows. It's clear Docker has very much
become mainly a developer tool -- at least on Windows  -- not a
software delivery system.   Oh well.

William

>
>
>
>>
>>
>> ** Hey Stan Schymanski ** does your student have the ability to run
>> Docker?
>> https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/
>>
>> William
>>
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread Dima Pasechnik 


On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 9:35:23 PM UTC, William wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Dima Pasechnik  > wrote: 
> > as 
> https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/#download-docker-for-windows 
> > says: 
> > "Docker for Windows requires 64bit Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise and 
> Education 
> > (1511 November update, Build 10586 or later) and Microsoft Hyper-V." 
> > So this looks like we are SOL with Docker as the primary way to provide 
> Sage 
> > on Windows... 
>
> I don't know anything about the current Windows install ecosystem 
> among our target audience.  On what basis do you conclude that a very 
> substantial fraction don't have the ability to run Docker? 
>

Well, go to something like dell.com and see for yourself.
A standard Windows edition sold with budget laptops is not Professional, it 
is Home.
(and still Windows 8.1 is available, and people choose it for a variety of 
reasons)


 

>
> ** Hey Stan Schymanski ** does your student have the ability to run 
> Docker? 
> https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/ 
>
> William 
>
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread William Stein 
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
> as https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/#download-docker-for-windows
> says:
> "Docker for Windows requires 64bit Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise and Education
> (1511 November update, Build 10586 or later) and Microsoft Hyper-V."
> So this looks like we are SOL with Docker as the primary way to provide Sage
> on Windows...

I don't know anything about the current Windows install ecosystem
among our target audience.  On what basis do you conclude that a very
substantial fraction don't have the ability to run Docker?

** Hey Stan Schymanski ** does your student have the ability to run Docker?
https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/

William

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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread Dima Pasechnik 


On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 5:10:40 PM UTC, William wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Dima Pasechnik  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 2:29:30 PM UTC, Erik Bray wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:43 PM, William Stein  
>>> wrote: 
>>> > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Erik Bray  
>>> wrote: 
>>> >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM, William Stein  
>>> wrote: 
>>> >>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan  wrote: 
>>>  Dear all, 
>>>  
>>>  A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in 
>>>  virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. 
>>> Now that he 
>>>  encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back 
>>> with the 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> I'm not aware of this bug.  I don't know of any critical bugs in 
>>> SMC. 
>>> >>> There are exactly 22 known SMC *bugs*, which you can see listed 
>>> here, 
>>> >>> all of which we plan to fix ASAP: 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>
>>> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3AI-bug%20sort%3Acreated-asc%20-label%3Ablocked
>>>  
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> On can also use SMC via docker on Windows, Linux and OS X, as 
>>> explained here: 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>   
>>> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/blob/master/src/dev/docker/README.md 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> I wish I could recommend the official sagemath docker images, but it 
>>> >>> looks like they haven't been updated in 6 months to 1 year ago? 
>>> (What 
>>> >>> the heck?) 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/ 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> I'm not sure where you're looking-- 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Click on the link above.  I clicked on sagemath/sage since it is ON 
>>> > TOP (hence what you find with a typical google search), and it has 
>>> > vastly more downloads than all other docker Sage images put together. 
>>> > It's clearly the one people are getting for some reason. 
>>> > 
>>> > I then clicked on the sagemath-jupyter one, since -- based on the name 
>>> > -- I imagine that's the other reasonable choice if a person wants a 
>>> > web interface... and it is 6 months old. 
>>> > 
>>> > Clicking on all of them now, only sagemath/sagemath has been updated 
>>> > recently.  All others are out of date. 
>>> > 
>>> >> the image called sagemath/sage is 
>>> >> definitely deprecated and should be removed. 
>>> > 
>>> > OK.   Who has the power to do that?  Also, I wonder what is driving so 
>>> > much traffic there? 
>>>
>>> Please see https://github.com/sagemath/docker/issues/4 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>> I don't know what's driving so much traffic there, but I need to find 
>>> a way to *clearly* deprecate it without breaking things for whoever it 
>>> is that's relying on it. 
>>
>>
>> Oh dear. It seems that the barrier to posting "official" docker images
>> is way too low.
>> There is also swenson/sage, dieudonne/sage, gissehel/sagemath, 
>> xuyouwen/sagemath,
>> and probably many more sagemath docker images over there, some old, some 
>> not...
>>
>> Probably the best way for the time being just post the "latest" image 
>> with 7.4
>> to sagemath/sage (previous images would still available via tags, IMHO)
>> so that it is in sync with sagemath/sagemath.
>>
>>  
>>
>>>  Anyways, the docker containers really should 
>>> be preferred over the VM.  Forcing people on Windows to use a VM is 
>>> terrible.  I tried to push on this a few months ago but it either 
>>> wasn't ready or nobody listened. 
>>>
>>
>> The main problem with using VM is setting it properly. AFAIK on Windows 
>> you still have VM
>> in the play, so you basically provide something that is meant to work 
>> better, right?
>>
>
> I don't know exactly the situation with docket + windows, but Docker on OS 
> X uses a very lightweight hypervisor and automatically forwards networks 
> and makes OS X host paths available.  It's pretty damn amazing, and it's 
> also very new - just out of beta!   They do something very similar for 
> Windows. 
>

as https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/#download-docker-for-windows 
says: 
"Docker for Windows requires 64bit Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise and Education 
(1511 November update, Build 10586 or later) and Microsoft Hyper-V."
So this looks like we are SOL with Docker as the primary way to provide 
Sage on Windows...




 

>  
>
>>
>> How about we do some more testing of the sagemath/sagemath image, in 
>> particular
>> on Windows and OSX, and then (if we're happy) advertise it on 
>> sagemath.org
>> and elsewhere?
>>
>> Dima
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread William Stein 
On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Dima Pasechnik  wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 2:29:30 PM UTC, Erik Bray wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:43 PM, William Stein  wrote:
>> > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Erik Bray  wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM, William Stein 
>> wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan  wrote:
>>  Dear all,
>> 
>>  A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in
>>  virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. Now
>> that he
>>  encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back
>> with the
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not aware of this bug.  I don't know of any critical bugs in SMC.
>> >>> There are exactly 22 known SMC *bugs*, which you can see listed here,
>> >>> all of which we plan to fix ASAP:
>> >>>
>> >>>https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=
>> is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3AI-bug%20sort%3Acreat
>> ed-asc%20-label%3Ablocked
>> >>>
>> >>> On can also use SMC via docker on Windows, Linux and OS X, as
>> explained here:
>> >>>
>> >>>   https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/blob/master/src/dev/
>> docker/README.md
>> >>>
>> >>> I wish I could recommend the official sagemath docker images, but it
>> >>> looks like they haven't been updated in 6 months to 1 year ago? (What
>> >>> the heck?)
>> >>>
>> >>>https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I'm not sure where you're looking--
>> >
>> >
>> > Click on the link above.  I clicked on sagemath/sage since it is ON
>> > TOP (hence what you find with a typical google search), and it has
>> > vastly more downloads than all other docker Sage images put together.
>> > It's clearly the one people are getting for some reason.
>> >
>> > I then clicked on the sagemath-jupyter one, since -- based on the name
>> > -- I imagine that's the other reasonable choice if a person wants a
>> > web interface... and it is 6 months old.
>> >
>> > Clicking on all of them now, only sagemath/sagemath has been updated
>> > recently.  All others are out of date.
>> >
>> >> the image called sagemath/sage is
>> >> definitely deprecated and should be removed.
>> >
>> > OK.   Who has the power to do that?  Also, I wonder what is driving so
>> > much traffic there?
>>
>> Please see https://github.com/sagemath/docker/issues/4
>> 
>>
>> I don't know what's driving so much traffic there, but I need to find
>> a way to *clearly* deprecate it without breaking things for whoever it
>> is that's relying on it.
>
>
> Oh dear. It seems that the barrier to posting "official" docker images
> is way too low.
> There is also swenson/sage, dieudonne/sage, gissehel/sagemath,
> xuyouwen/sagemath,
> and probably many more sagemath docker images over there, some old, some
> not...
>
> Probably the best way for the time being just post the "latest" image with
> 7.4
> to sagemath/sage (previous images would still available via tags, IMHO)
> so that it is in sync with sagemath/sagemath.
>
>
>
>>  Anyways, the docker containers really should
>> be preferred over the VM.  Forcing people on Windows to use a VM is
>> terrible.  I tried to push on this a few months ago but it either
>> wasn't ready or nobody listened.
>>
>
> The main problem with using VM is setting it properly. AFAIK on Windows
> you still have VM
> in the play, so you basically provide something that is meant to work
> better, right?
>

I don't know exactly the situation with docket + windows, but Docker on OS
X uses a very lightweight hypervisor and automatically forwards networks
and makes OS X host paths available.  It's pretty damn amazing, and it's
also very new - just out of beta!   They do something very similar for
Windows.


>
> How about we do some more testing of the sagemath/sagemath image, in
> particular
> on Windows and OSX, and then (if we're happy) advertise it on sagemath.org
> and elsewhere?
>
> Dima
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread Dima Pasechnik 


On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 2:29:30 PM UTC, Erik Bray wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:43 PM, William Stein  > wrote: 
> > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Erik Bray  > wrote: 
> >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM, William Stein  > wrote: 
> >>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan  
> wrote: 
>  Dear all, 
>  
>  A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in 
>  virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. Now 
> that he 
>  encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back with 
> the 
> >>> 
> >>> I'm not aware of this bug.  I don't know of any critical bugs in SMC. 
> >>> There are exactly 22 known SMC *bugs*, which you can see listed here, 
> >>> all of which we plan to fix ASAP: 
> >>> 
> >>>
> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3AI-bug%20sort%3Acreated-asc%20-label%3Ablocked
>  
> >>> 
> >>> On can also use SMC via docker on Windows, Linux and OS X, as 
> explained here: 
> >>> 
> >>>   
> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/blob/master/src/dev/docker/README.md 
> >>> 
> >>> I wish I could recommend the official sagemath docker images, but it 
> >>> looks like they haven't been updated in 6 months to 1 year ago? (What 
> >>> the heck?) 
> >>> 
> >>>https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/ 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I'm not sure where you're looking-- 
> > 
> > 
> > Click on the link above.  I clicked on sagemath/sage since it is ON 
> > TOP (hence what you find with a typical google search), and it has 
> > vastly more downloads than all other docker Sage images put together. 
> > It's clearly the one people are getting for some reason. 
> > 
> > I then clicked on the sagemath-jupyter one, since -- based on the name 
> > -- I imagine that's the other reasonable choice if a person wants a 
> > web interface... and it is 6 months old. 
> > 
> > Clicking on all of them now, only sagemath/sagemath has been updated 
> > recently.  All others are out of date. 
> > 
> >> the image called sagemath/sage is 
> >> definitely deprecated and should be removed. 
> > 
> > OK.   Who has the power to do that?  Also, I wonder what is driving so 
> > much traffic there? 
>
> Please see https://github.com/sagemath/docker/issues/4 
> 
>  
>
> I don't know what's driving so much traffic there, but I need to find 
> a way to *clearly* deprecate it without breaking things for whoever it 
> is that's relying on it. 


Oh dear. It seems that the barrier to posting "official" docker images
is way too low.
There is also swenson/sage, dieudonne/sage, gissehel/sagemath, 
xuyouwen/sagemath,
and probably many more sagemath docker images over there, some old, some 
not...

Probably the best way for the time being just post the "latest" image with 
7.4
to sagemath/sage (previous images would still available via tags, IMHO)
so that it is in sync with sagemath/sagemath.

 

>  Anyways, the docker containers really should 
> be preferred over the VM.  Forcing people on Windows to use a VM is 
> terrible.  I tried to push on this a few months ago but it either 
> wasn't ready or nobody listened. 
>

The main problem with using VM is setting it properly. AFAIK on Windows you 
still have VM
in the play, so you basically provide something that is meant to work 
better, right?

How about we do some more testing of the sagemath/sagemath image, in 
particular
on Windows and OSX, and then (if we're happy) advertise it on sagemath.org
and elsewhere?

Dima

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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread Erik Bray 
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:43 PM, William Stein  wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Erik Bray  wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM, William Stein  wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan  wrote:
 Dear all,

 A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in
 virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. Now that 
 he
 encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back with the
>>>
>>> I'm not aware of this bug.  I don't know of any critical bugs in SMC.
>>> There are exactly 22 known SMC *bugs*, which you can see listed here,
>>> all of which we plan to fix ASAP:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3AI-bug%20sort%3Acreated-asc%20-label%3Ablocked
>>>
>>> On can also use SMC via docker on Windows, Linux and OS X, as explained 
>>> here:
>>>
>>>   https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/blob/master/src/dev/docker/README.md
>>>
>>> I wish I could recommend the official sagemath docker images, but it
>>> looks like they haven't been updated in 6 months to 1 year ago? (What
>>> the heck?)
>>>
>>>https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure where you're looking--
>
>
> Click on the link above.  I clicked on sagemath/sage since it is ON
> TOP (hence what you find with a typical google search), and it has
> vastly more downloads than all other docker Sage images put together.
> It's clearly the one people are getting for some reason.
>
> I then clicked on the sagemath-jupyter one, since -- based on the name
> -- I imagine that's the other reasonable choice if a person wants a
> web interface... and it is 6 months old.
>
> Clicking on all of them now, only sagemath/sagemath has been updated
> recently.  All others are out of date.
>
>> the image called sagemath/sage is
>> definitely deprecated and should be removed.
>
> OK.   Who has the power to do that?  Also, I wonder what is driving so
> much traffic there?

Please see https://github.com/sagemath/docker/issues/4

I don't know what's driving so much traffic there, but I need to find
a way to *clearly* deprecate it without breaking things for whoever it
is that's relying on it.  Anyways, the docker containers really should
be preferred over the VM.  Forcing people on Windows to use a VM is
terrible.  I tried to push on this a few months ago but it either
wasn't ready or nobody listened.

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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread William Stein 
I think this was actually a problem with autosave we had for about one
week.  Of course we didn't know that at the time.   I'm not sure why to
say, except the root problem is probably solved, and if not there is a
straightforward way to just use plain jupyter in SMC anyways.

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Stan  wrote:

> OK, I just asked Thomas to send me the email thread about his problem with
> SMC. His communication was with William Stein and Harald Schilly, and
> related to lost bits of a jupyter notebook that were not even recoverable
> using the revert button or the backup utility, plus bits started
> disappearing or re-arranging again. On 4 November, Harald replied to him
> with the following words: "Hi, this sounds like a real bug we have to fix.
> Getting a history and collaboration working with jupyter notebooks is not
> easy.", followed by a message by William Stein on the same day indicating
> that a fix would require a major rewrite of Jupyter, and suggesting a
> method to use standard Jupyter within SMC. Unfortunately, Thomas overlooked
> that suggestion and didn't try it out. Still, the problem of disappearing
> or re-arranged code cells within a worksheet reminds me of problems I used
> to have with sagews, but I haven't experienced them with jupyter so far. If
> this is a particular problem with jupyter notebooks within SMC, and if it
> re-occurs, perhaps this way of using jupyter should be discouraged in
> favour of using pure jupyter or jupyter kernels within Sage worksheets. If
> instructions are available how to do this, I'd be happy to try it out.
>
> Cheers
> Stan
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 4:49:50 PM UTC+1, William wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan  wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in
>> > virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. Now
>> that he
>> > encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back with
>> the
>>
>> I'm not aware of this bug.  I don't know of any critical bugs in SMC.
>> There are exactly 22 known SMC *bugs*, which you can see listed here,
>> all of which we plan to fix ASAP:
>>
>>https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=
>> is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3AI-bug%20sort%3Acreat
>> ed-asc%20-label%3Ablocked
>>
>> On can also use SMC via docker on Windows, Linux and OS X, as explained
>> here:
>>
>>   https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/blob/master/src/dev/docker/README.md
>>
>> I wish I could recommend the official sagemath docker images, but it
>> looks like they haven't been updated in 6 months to 1 year ago? (What
>> the heck?)
>>
>>https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/
>>
>>
>> William
>>
>> > sage appliance in VB but it is truly a nightmare. The installation
>> > instructions are still specific for sagews, not jupyter, but we at
>> least
>> > managed to change the working directory to something he can access.
>> What we
>> > haven't managed, is to get out of the kiosk mode in chrome. There is no
>> > obvious possibility of opening several tabs, no address bar to get back
>> to
>> > the directory page and no back button. This means that every time he
>> wants
>> > to go back, e.g. after downloading the worksheet, he has to restart the
>> > virtual machine! I don't understand why chrome was chosen instead of
>> > firefox, and I have no idea why it is set up in kiosk mode. Is there
>> any
>> > sensible way to productively work with the sage appliance using the now
>> > standard jupyter notebook?? I'm sorry if my frustration shows in these
>> > lines, I probably should have asked earlier, but I am wondering a bit
>> if
>> > those that created the sage appliance actually use it themselves. I
>> don't,
>> > which is why it never occurred to me how difficult to use it might be.
>> > Thanks for your help!
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Stan
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread Stan 
OK, I just asked Thomas to send me the email thread about his problem with 
SMC. His communication was with William Stein and Harald Schilly, and 
related to lost bits of a jupyter notebook that were not even recoverable 
using the revert button or the backup utility, plus bits started 
disappearing or re-arranging again. On 4 November, Harald replied to him 
with the following words: "Hi, this sounds like a real bug we have to fix. 
Getting a history and collaboration working with jupyter notebooks is not 
easy.", followed by a message by William Stein on the same day indicating 
that a fix would require a major rewrite of Jupyter, and suggesting a 
method to use standard Jupyter within SMC. Unfortunately, Thomas overlooked 
that suggestion and didn't try it out. Still, the problem of disappearing 
or re-arranged code cells within a worksheet reminds me of problems I used 
to have with sagews, but I haven't experienced them with jupyter so far. If 
this is a particular problem with jupyter notebooks within SMC, and if it 
re-occurs, perhaps this way of using jupyter should be discouraged in 
favour of using pure jupyter or jupyter kernels within Sage worksheets. If 
instructions are available how to do this, I'd be happy to try it out.

Cheers
Stan

On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 4:49:50 PM UTC+1, William wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan  
> wrote: 
> > Dear all, 
> > 
> > A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in 
> > virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. Now 
> that he 
> > encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back with 
> the 
>
> I'm not aware of this bug.  I don't know of any critical bugs in SMC. 
> There are exactly 22 known SMC *bugs*, which you can see listed here, 
> all of which we plan to fix ASAP: 
>
>
> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3AI-bug%20sort%3Acreated-asc%20-label%3Ablocked
>  
>
> On can also use SMC via docker on Windows, Linux and OS X, as explained 
> here: 
>
>   https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/blob/master/src/dev/docker/README.md 
>
> I wish I could recommend the official sagemath docker images, but it 
> looks like they haven't been updated in 6 months to 1 year ago? (What 
> the heck?) 
>
>https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/ 
>
>
> William 
>
> > sage appliance in VB but it is truly a nightmare. The installation 
> > instructions are still specific for sagews, not jupyter, but we at least 
> > managed to change the working directory to something he can access. What 
> we 
> > haven't managed, is to get out of the kiosk mode in chrome. There is no 
> > obvious possibility of opening several tabs, no address bar to get back 
> to 
> > the directory page and no back button. This means that every time he 
> wants 
> > to go back, e.g. after downloading the worksheet, he has to restart the 
> > virtual machine! I don't understand why chrome was chosen instead of 
> > firefox, and I have no idea why it is set up in kiosk mode. Is there any 
> > sensible way to productively work with the sage appliance using the now 
> > standard jupyter notebook?? I'm sorry if my frustration shows in these 
> > lines, I probably should have asked earlier, but I am wondering a bit if 
> > those that created the sage appliance actually use it themselves. I 
> don't, 
> > which is why it never occurred to me how difficult to use it might be. 
> > Thanks for your help! 
> > 
> > Cheers 
> > Stan 
> > 
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread Stan 
This is amazing, I had no idea there was a way to run SMC locally already. 
Interestingly, https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/ points to sagemath.org as 
homepage, but I couldn't find a link to hub.docker.com at sagemath.org. I 
think it would be great to point to this resource at least on the downloads 
page at sagemath.org.

Stan

On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 6:44:01 PM UTC+1, William wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Erik Bray  > wrote: 
> > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM, William Stein  > wrote: 
> >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan  
> wrote: 
> >>> Dear all, 
> >>> 
> >>> A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in 
> >>> virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. Now 
> that he 
> >>> encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back with 
> the 
> >> 
> >> I'm not aware of this bug.  I don't know of any critical bugs in SMC. 
> >> There are exactly 22 known SMC *bugs*, which you can see listed here, 
> >> all of which we plan to fix ASAP: 
> >> 
> >>
> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3AI-bug%20sort%3Acreated-asc%20-label%3Ablocked
>  
> >> 
> >> On can also use SMC via docker on Windows, Linux and OS X, as explained 
> here: 
> >> 
> >>   
> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/blob/master/src/dev/docker/README.md 
> >> 
> >> I wish I could recommend the official sagemath docker images, but it 
> >> looks like they haven't been updated in 6 months to 1 year ago? (What 
> >> the heck?) 
> >> 
> >>https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/ 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm not sure where you're looking-- 
>
>
> Click on the link above.  I clicked on sagemath/sage since it is ON 
> TOP (hence what you find with a typical google search), and it has 
> vastly more downloads than all other docker Sage images put together. 
> It's clearly the one people are getting for some reason. 
>
> I then clicked on the sagemath-jupyter one, since -- based on the name 
> -- I imagine that's the other reasonable choice if a person wants a 
> web interface... and it is 6 months old. 
>
> Clicking on all of them now, only sagemath/sagemath has been updated 
> recently.  All others are out of date. 
>
> > the image called sagemath/sage is 
> > definitely deprecated and should be removed. 
>
> OK.   Who has the power to do that?  Also, I wonder what is driving so 
> much traffic there? 
>
> > sagemath/sagemath is the 
> > latest and has sage 7.4. 
>
> > 
> > Erik 
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread Stan 
Dear William,
Thanks for the quick reply. The problem Thomas experience in SMC was that 
parts of his worksheet just disappeared and were not to be found in the 
snapshots. He could recover them from the log files and painfully put them 
in again, only to experience that bits started disappearing again. I didn't 
see a bug report that would describe this behaviour under the link you 
gave, but Thomas reported the problem within SMC and got a reply that this 
is indeed a bug. I'll ask him to fill in the details here. Sorry about 
being so unspecific!

Cheers
Stan

On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 4:49:50 PM UTC+1, William wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan  
> wrote: 
> > Dear all, 
> > 
> > A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in 
> > virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. Now 
> that he 
> > encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back with 
> the 
>
> I'm not aware of this bug.  I don't know of any critical bugs in SMC. 
> There are exactly 22 known SMC *bugs*, which you can see listed here, 
> all of which we plan to fix ASAP: 
>
>
> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3AI-bug%20sort%3Acreated-asc%20-label%3Ablocked
>  
>
> On can also use SMC via docker on Windows, Linux and OS X, as explained 
> here: 
>
>   https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/blob/master/src/dev/docker/README.md 
>
> I wish I could recommend the official sagemath docker images, but it 
> looks like they haven't been updated in 6 months to 1 year ago? (What 
> the heck?) 
>
>https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/ 
>
>
> William 
>
> > sage appliance in VB but it is truly a nightmare. The installation 
> > instructions are still specific for sagews, not jupyter, but we at least 
> > managed to change the working directory to something he can access. What 
> we 
> > haven't managed, is to get out of the kiosk mode in chrome. There is no 
> > obvious possibility of opening several tabs, no address bar to get back 
> to 
> > the directory page and no back button. This means that every time he 
> wants 
> > to go back, e.g. after downloading the worksheet, he has to restart the 
> > virtual machine! I don't understand why chrome was chosen instead of 
> > firefox, and I have no idea why it is set up in kiosk mode. Is there any 
> > sensible way to productively work with the sage appliance using the now 
> > standard jupyter notebook?? I'm sorry if my frustration shows in these 
> > lines, I probably should have asked earlier, but I am wondering a bit if 
> > those that created the sage appliance actually use it themselves. I 
> don't, 
> > which is why it never occurred to me how difficult to use it might be. 
> > Thanks for your help! 
> > 
> > Cheers 
> > Stan 
> > 
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-14 Thread Dima Pasechnik 


On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 5:44:01 PM UTC, William wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Erik Bray  > wrote: 
> > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM, William Stein  > wrote: 
> >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan  
> wrote: 
> >>> Dear all, 
> >>> 
> >>> A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in 
> >>> virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. Now 
> that he 
> >>> encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back with 
> the 
> >> 
> >> I'm not aware of this bug.  I don't know of any critical bugs in SMC. 
> >> There are exactly 22 known SMC *bugs*, which you can see listed here, 
> >> all of which we plan to fix ASAP: 
> >> 
> >>
> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3AI-bug%20sort%3Acreated-asc%20-label%3Ablocked
>  
> >> 
> >> On can also use SMC via docker on Windows, Linux and OS X, as explained 
> here: 
> >> 
> >>   
> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/blob/master/src/dev/docker/README.md 
> >> 
> >> I wish I could recommend the official sagemath docker images, but it 
> >> looks like they haven't been updated in 6 months to 1 year ago? (What 
> >> the heck?) 
> >> 
> >>https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/ 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm not sure where you're looking-- 
>
>
> Click on the link above.  I clicked on sagemath/sage since it is ON 
> TOP (hence what you find with a typical google search), and it has 
> vastly more downloads than all other docker Sage images put together. 
> It's clearly the one people are getting for some reason. 
>
> I then clicked on the sagemath-jupyter one, since -- based on the name 
> -- I imagine that's the other reasonable choice if a person wants a 
> web interface... and it is 6 months old. 
>
> Clicking on all of them now, only sagemath/sagemath has been updated 
> recently.  All others are out of date. 
>
> > the image called sagemath/sage is 
> > definitely deprecated and should be removed. 
>
> OK.   Who has the power to do that?  Also, I wonder what is driving so 
> much traffic there? 
>
>
all these docker images are owned by "sagemath", whoever (s)he is.
Please raise your hand :-)

I suppose that whoever has the creds of this account, can manage the images.

Dima

 

> > sagemath/sagemath is the 
> > latest and has sage 7.4. 
>
> > 
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-14 Thread William Stein 
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Erik Bray  wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM, William Stein  wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan  wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in
>>> virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. Now that he
>>> encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back with the
>>
>> I'm not aware of this bug.  I don't know of any critical bugs in SMC.
>> There are exactly 22 known SMC *bugs*, which you can see listed here,
>> all of which we plan to fix ASAP:
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3AI-bug%20sort%3Acreated-asc%20-label%3Ablocked
>>
>> On can also use SMC via docker on Windows, Linux and OS X, as explained here:
>>
>>   https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/blob/master/src/dev/docker/README.md
>>
>> I wish I could recommend the official sagemath docker images, but it
>> looks like they haven't been updated in 6 months to 1 year ago? (What
>> the heck?)
>>
>>https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/
>
>
> I'm not sure where you're looking--


Click on the link above.  I clicked on sagemath/sage since it is ON
TOP (hence what you find with a typical google search), and it has
vastly more downloads than all other docker Sage images put together.
It's clearly the one people are getting for some reason.

I then clicked on the sagemath-jupyter one, since -- based on the name
-- I imagine that's the other reasonable choice if a person wants a
web interface... and it is 6 months old.

Clicking on all of them now, only sagemath/sagemath has been updated
recently.  All others are out of date.

> the image called sagemath/sage is
> definitely deprecated and should be removed.

OK.   Who has the power to do that?  Also, I wonder what is driving so
much traffic there?

> sagemath/sagemath is the
> latest and has sage 7.4.

>
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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-14 Thread Erik Bray 
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM, William Stein  wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan  wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in
>> virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. Now that he
>> encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back with the
>
> I'm not aware of this bug.  I don't know of any critical bugs in SMC.
> There are exactly 22 known SMC *bugs*, which you can see listed here,
> all of which we plan to fix ASAP:
>
>
> https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3AI-bug%20sort%3Acreated-asc%20-label%3Ablocked
>
> On can also use SMC via docker on Windows, Linux and OS X, as explained here:
>
>   https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/blob/master/src/dev/docker/README.md
>
> I wish I could recommend the official sagemath docker images, but it
> looks like they haven't been updated in 6 months to 1 year ago? (What
> the heck?)
>
>https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/


I'm not sure where you're looking--the image called sagemath/sage is
definitely deprecated and should be removed.  sagemath/sagemath is the
latest and has sage 7.4.

Erik

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Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-14 Thread William Stein 
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan  wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in
> virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. Now that he
> encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back with the

I'm not aware of this bug.  I don't know of any critical bugs in SMC.
There are exactly 22 known SMC *bugs*, which you can see listed here,
all of which we plan to fix ASAP:

   
https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3AI-bug%20sort%3Acreated-asc%20-label%3Ablocked

On can also use SMC via docker on Windows, Linux and OS X, as explained here:

  https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/blob/master/src/dev/docker/README.md

I wish I could recommend the official sagemath docker images, but it
looks like they haven't been updated in 6 months to 1 year ago? (What
the heck?)

   https://hub.docker.com/u/sagemath/


William

> sage appliance in VB but it is truly a nightmare. The installation
> instructions are still specific for sagews, not jupyter, but we at least
> managed to change the working directory to something he can access. What we
> haven't managed, is to get out of the kiosk mode in chrome. There is no
> obvious possibility of opening several tabs, no address bar to get back to
> the directory page and no back button. This means that every time he wants
> to go back, e.g. after downloading the worksheet, he has to restart the
> virtual machine! I don't understand why chrome was chosen instead of
> firefox, and I have no idea why it is set up in kiosk mode. Is there any
> sensible way to productively work with the sage appliance using the now
> standard jupyter notebook?? I'm sorry if my frustration shows in these
> lines, I probably should have asked earlier, but I am wondering a bit if
> those that created the sage appliance actually use it themselves. I don't,
> which is why it never occurred to me how difficult to use it might be.
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Cheers
> Stan
>
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