Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
Udhay Shankar N said the following on 06/11/2007 21:09:

 Udhay, just back from a few days in a resort in Kerala that appeared
 largely populated by Europeans -- nary a USAnian in sight, FWIW.

Kerala is way too exotic for Americans to go to. Besides, it's too near
Eyerack, EyeRAN, and all those places.

Ram



Re: [silk] Suicide Bombing Makes Sick Sense in Halo 3

2007-11-06 Thread Anish Mohammed
Hi all,
   This reminded me of the episode of Southpark titled  Make love not
warcraft :-).
regards
Anish


Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Charles Haynes
On 11/6/07, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/6/07, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Udhay Shankar N said the following on 06/11/2007 21:09:
 
   Udhay, just back from a few days in a resort in Kerala that appeared
   largely populated by Europeans -- nary a USAnian in sight, FWIW.
 
  Kerala is way too exotic for Americans to go to. Besides, it's too near
  Eyerack, EyeRAN, and all those places.

 Hm. I better cancel my December plans then...

 -- Charles, looking forward to a relaxing time on a houseboat in the
 backwaters of Kerala...

Forgot to mention - it'll be with two friends from the US who've never
been to India before. Any suggestions of cool things to do in Cochin
or environs either before or after?

-- Charles



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Anish Mohammed
Hi Charles,
 If you intend to travel around Cochin ( say another 100+ kms) you could
see a lot more. BTW what kind of stuff are in interested,
culture/history/nature ?
regards
Anish

On 11/6/07, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 11/6/07, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 11/6/07, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Udhay Shankar N said the following on 06/11/2007 21:09:
  
Udhay, just back from a few days in a resort in Kerala that appeared
largely populated by Europeans -- nary a USAnian in sight, FWIW.
  
   Kerala is way too exotic for Americans to go to. Besides, it's too
 near
   Eyerack, EyeRAN, and all those places.
 
  Hm. I better cancel my December plans then...
 
  -- Charles, looking forward to a relaxing time on a houseboat in the
  backwaters of Kerala...

 Forgot to mention - it'll be with two friends from the US who've never
 been to India before. Any suggestions of cool things to do in Cochin
 or environs either before or after?

 -- Charles




Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
Udhay Shankar N said the following on 06/11/2007 21:31:

 Didn't you get married in Varkala? You'd probably not recognise the
 place -- lots of shops with signs like Ici on parle Francais and so
 forth.

Did you stay in the Taj, then? Lovely place, terrible (Mal) service.

Ram



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
 Forgot to mention - it'll be with two friends from the US who've never
 been to India before. Any suggestions of cool things to do in Cochin
 or environs either before or after?

Fish dishes at the Grand Hotel (it is a faded old three star hotel, quite
cheap but clean .. but its restaurant is excellent, from the one or two
meals I've had there)

There's the usual attractions of kochi - the Chinese fishing nets, one of
two active jewish communities in India with an old synagogue ..

Plus of course using kochi as a base to get to kumarakom (or some beautiful
old hindu temples within two or three hours from cochin, that will,
unfortunately, not allow non hindus into them)




Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
Charles Haynes said the following on 06/11/2007 21:40:

 Forgot to mention - it'll be with two friends from the US who've never
 been to India before. Any suggestions of cool things to do in Cochin
 or environs either before or after?

Haven't been there recently, so don't know if this still holds true, but
my wife and I loved hanging around Jew Town. If you go there, try and
meet the keeper of the synagogue - he'll talk at you for a few hours,
but he's got interesting things to say.

Ram



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Udhay Shankar N

Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote [at 10:46 PM 11/6/2007] :


 Udhay, just back from a few days in a resort in Kerala that appeared
 largely populated by Europeans -- nary a USAnian in sight, FWIW.

Kerala is way too exotic for Americans to go to. Besides, it's too near
Eyerack, EyeRAN, and all those places.


Didn't you get married in Varkala? You'd probably not recognise the 
place -- lots of shops with signs like Ici on parle Francais and so forth.


Udhay
--
((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))




Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
 
 So why ARE there so few Jews in India? I know that historically there
 were thriving Jewish communities. Is it because they, in general,
 supported the Raj? Is it because of some form of historical leftist
 anti-semitism?
 

Most of them emigrated en masse to Israel. There have been some very famous
Indian jews (like Nissim Ezekiel, one of india's greatest poets - sadly,
died in 2004), and no active local pogroms against them that I am aware of. 

Kind of like parsees, a minority that doesn't have any major local axes to
grind, some quaint religious customs that are nobody's business but their
own .. 

srs




Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Charles Haynes
On 11/6/07, Anish Mohammed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Charles,
  If you intend to travel around Cochin ( say another 100+ kms) you could
 see a lot more. BTW what kind of stuff are in interested,
 culture/history/nature ?

1) Food
2) More food
3) Good food
4) History
5) Culture

My friends are Jewish btw (as is my sweetie Debbie FWIW) and that is
one of the reasons we're going to Cochin.

(FWIW Jew Town would probably be offensive to most Jews, but we will
be visiting Cochin's Jewish Quarter and synagogues for sure.)

So why ARE there so few Jews in India? I know that historically there
were thriving Jewish communities. Is it because they, in general,
supported the Raj? Is it because of some form of historical leftist
anti-semitism?

-- Charles



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Thaths
On Nov 6, 2007 9:40 AM, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Forgot to mention - it'll be with two friends from the US who've never
 been to India before. Any suggestions of cool things to do in Cochin
 or environs either before or after?


I was in kochi in Jun of 2005. My photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thaths/sets/72157602497735184/

I strongly recommend staying at either the Old Courtyard Inn or the
Neemrana hotel that was supposed to be opened in Fort Kochi (check
their website).

As for things to do: Definitely go to a kathakali performance. Go a
couple of hours early and photograph the performers making up. Eat
lots of yummy malayalee food. Unfortunately, the Hindu temples in
kerala are very strict about not allowing non-Hindus. If you find a
less fussy temple, makes sense to go check out the keralan temple
architecture. Bathe in a river. The local CPI/CPI(M) offices are great
photo ops. The Kochi pardesi synagogue (Mattancherry / Jew Town) is a
must see. Walk the narrow streets and see the abandoned houses of the
Jews that used to live in this area. Antique shopping in Mattancherry
is also good. Eat a dosa in an India Coffee House in Eranakulam. Visit
the FLAG landing place if you can. See the big cable laying ship in
the Kochi port. The Fort Kochi fish market is also a great place to
take photos.

Thaths
-- 
Bart: I want to be emancipated.
Homer: Emancipated?! Don't you like being a dude?
-- Homer J. Simpson
Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Thaths
On Nov 6, 2007 9:55 AM, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 1) Food
 2) More food
 3) Good food

Lots of this to be had. Try both the local Keralan cuisine and also
the fusion cuisine. There are some good cookbooks on Malayalee cuisine
available as well.

 4) History

Fort Kochi is good. Also, many good books available.

 5) Culture

Kathakali / Mohini attam are great to watch. If you are interested,
maybe visit an Ayurveda hospital (not one of those massage places).

 My friends are Jewish btw (as is my sweetie Debbie FWIW) and that is
 one of the reasons we're going to Cochin.

 (FWIW Jew Town would probably be offensive to most Jews, but we will
 be visiting Cochin's Jewish Quarter and synagogues for sure.)

IMO, Jew Town, despite the name, is not offensive. In addition to the
Mattancherry synagogue, walk around the the place and observe
abandoned houses and the Jewish graveyard.

 So why ARE there so few Jews in India? I know that historically there
 were thriving Jewish communities. Is it because they, in general,
 supported the Raj? Is it because of some form of historical leftist
 anti-semitism?

There are a couple of good books available about this. I suspect that
the creation of Israel and its liberal immigration policy to the
diaspora (including the Baghdadi jews of Kerala) also contributed to
the exodus out of India.

Thaths
-- 
Bart: I want to be emancipated.
Homer: Emancipated?! Don't you like being a dude?
-- Homer J. Simpson
Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-11-06 10:44:33 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  (FWIW Jew Town would probably be offensive to most Jews [...]
 
 IMO, Jew Town, despite the name, is not offensive.

I thought he meant the name was offensive.

-- ams



Re: [silk] Mailing List Subscription Manager (Was Re: List admin?)

2007-11-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 03:23:43PM +, Sriram Karra wrote:

 In short, with access to your inbox, implementing such a system should be
 fairly straightforward... right? I'd like to think so. [Maybe one of these

Oh, I don't think so. And automatic anythings won't work that well in
future, given captchas.

 days I'll overcome the inertia to complete the patchwork of procmail recipes
 and cgi scripts to have a working prototype]

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Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Radhika, Y.
on the jewish story. there were a few thousand European Jews who were in
INdia in the 40s in mumbai who later went to Israel. there were refugees
during the war. One of my friends' dad taught French at University of Mumbai
and met a lot of the jewish people at the time.

2007/11/6, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On 11/6/07, Charles Haynes  wrote:
 
  Forgot to mention - it'll be with two friends from the US who've never
  been to India before. Any suggestions of cool things to do in Cochin
  or environs either before or after?
 

 watch out for the fleas in fort cochin... anybody looking foreign is
 game.
 ernakulam has hideous traffic problems. but travelling south is much
 better,
 specially alleppey... and foriegners are allowed in the temples around
 alleppey (some pretty old ones there).  I found some of the older
 churches pretty strange (it doesnt
 seem to be part of any tourist circuit...).  I found this weird church
 near alleppey which
 specializes in curing insane people




Re: [silk] Mailing List Subscription Manager (Was Re: List admin?)

2007-11-06 Thread Sriram Karra
On 11/6/07, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 03:23:43PM +, Sriram Karra wrote:

  In short, with access to your inbox, implementing such a system should
 be
  fairly straightforward... right? I'd like to think so. [Maybe one of
 these

 Oh, I don't think so.


Why so?

And automatic anythings won't work that well in future, given captchas.


I was only talking about unsubscribe and flipping vacation flags. Do you
know any list manager that uses captchas to unsubscribe? I haven't been
following this business all that much, but it makes no sense at all to do
that. It's a smart thing to ensure you let *in* only humans, that's for
sure. Once you do that, all you are left with on the list are humans. Not
that I can think of any reason why an automated bot would 'want' out, if it
ever got in anyway :)


Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Alok G. Singh
On  6 Nov 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If you are driving down to Cochin, take the scenic route through
Gundulpet, Bathery, and Calicut. It's quite a lovely drive. 

 1) Food

When in Calicut, go for lunch to the Paragon hotel (ask anyone, it is
a small town). Ask for 'meen pollichathu'. Eat it with some 'pathiri'.

 2) More food

Keep asking for 'meen pollichathu' until the fish is 'aikura'. It's
usually a different fish everyday.

 3) Good food

Go across to the Taj (just round the corner) and have some Thevara
beef. Paragon has stopped serving beef.

On your way out of Calicut, don't forget to buy some banana chips from
Sreekumaran's.

-- 
Alok

All intelligent species own cats.



Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread Deepak Misra
On 11/6/07, Madhu M Kurup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hmm:

 Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
 
  But I'd have figured someone with a gnu.org address would be able to
 figure
  out how to unsub from a mailman list .. oh well.
 

 Time to confess up, I recently went through an email address change and
 for the life of me could not find the original mail/monthly mail from
 mailman either.  I caved in and emailed the admin(s). It didn't occur to
 me that the headers would have any info ... FWIW.

 Cheerio,
 M
 --



I do have the same problem. I have a  catchall address for my domain and use
different names to subscribe to different lists hoping to cut off spam. The
assumption is that I can simply delete the address when I detect it is
getting spam. I often find out who is spamming from the address.  For
example if I have an account with bank Blah-blah I would use the address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now when I get spam mail addressed to blah-blah I
know the guilty culprit. My hit rate has been extremely low till date and I
have started depending more on gmail to detect spam

 A side effect is that  sometimes I forget what email I used and get lost if
this is needed for any reason (such as authentication or password forgotten)

Deepak


Re: [silk] List admin?

2007-11-06 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 06 Nov 2007 6:20 pm, Deepa Mohan wrote:
 the unsubscribe email doesn't  always seem to unsubscribe one

Few people (especially the techies) realise that the server that gets the 
message is located in France and that server interprets the unsubscribe 
message as un subscription - or one subscription and responds with Yes 
you are a subscriber and will stay subscribed

shiv
(who knows so much French that even the French don't know)



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 11/7/07, Alok G. Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Keep asking for 'meen pollichathu' until the fish is 'aikura'. It's
 usually a different fish everyday.

I disagree. Aikura is the local name for seer. Ask for kari-meen or
pearl spot. That's the one to be had as 'meen pollichathu'.

 Go across to the Taj (just round the corner) and have some Thevara
 beef. Paragon has stopped serving beef.

What's the place with the 'netti pollichathu kozhi? Roughly, it
translates to 'chicken fried standing-up'.

-Gautam



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Biju Chacko
On 11/6/07, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (FWIW Jew Town would probably be offensive to most Jews, but we will
 be visiting Cochin's Jewish Quarter and synagogues for sure.)

Historically, Jew Town is what Cochin's Jewish Quarter (uhh ...
Jewish sixty-fourth?) is called.

I've noticed that words (and gestures[1]) with loaded meanings
elsewhere are pretty innocuous in India (and in Kerala especially).
That's probably because Indian repression has been directed mostly at
lower classes rather than other races.

I remember a Nigerian friend bemusedly telling me about having a
pleasant conversation with an old gent at a bus stand in Trivandrum.
The conversation ended with the old chap saying, Nice talking to you.
We don't get many of you Negroes around here, so it's quite a treat to
talk to one.

-- b

[1]  I recently saw some pictures of a function at my niece's school
where she took an oath to be a good student, study hard and eat all
her vegetables. Apparently, my brother and his wife were the only
people who were bothered by the fact that all the students used a Nazi
Heil Hitler-style salute to take the oath.



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-11-07 10:02:53 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What's the place with the 'netti pollichathu kozhi? Roughly, it
 translates to 'chicken fried standing-up'.

Actually, it would translate to chicken /split/, not fried, standing up.
I think the word you're looking for is porichathu (r not ll), though the
transliteration into English leaves much to be desired either way.

-- ams



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 11/7/07, Abhijit Menon-Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Actually, it would translate to chicken /split/, not fried, standing up.
 I think the word you're looking for is porichathu (r not ll), though the
 transliteration into English leaves much to be desired either way.

I stand corrected.



[silk] Excuse my French [WAS Re: List admin?]

2007-11-06 Thread Biju Chacko
On 11/7/07, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 shiv
 (who knows so much French that even the French don't know)

Learned in Pondicherry? IIRC, you studied there. Don't they have
slightly Tamilised French there?

-- b (who despite several years of French study is down to one phrase
Parlez vous Anglais?)



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Biju Chacko
On 11/7/07, Abhijit Menon-Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 2007-11-07 10:02:53 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  What's the place with the 'netti pollichathu kozhi? Roughly, it
  translates to 'chicken fried standing-up'.

 Actually, it would translate to chicken /split/, not fried, standing up.
 I think the word you're looking for is porichathu (r not ll), though the
 transliteration into English leaves much to be desired either way.

My Malayalam is terrible, but IIRC

porichathu -- fried
pollichathu -- wrapped in banana leaves and fried. Normally only fish
is fried that way.

To confuse things further, around my native place they use them
interchangeably, thus annoying my Dad who usually says 'pollichathu'
in restaurants when he wants 'porichathu'.

-- b



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 11/7/07, Binand Sethumadhavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Pollichathu - coated with spices, wrapped in a banana leaf and baked.

It's baked? Whenever I've had it, it's always been fried.



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-11-07 10:24:12 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Pollichathu - coated with spices, wrapped in a banana leaf and baked.

Really? Wow.

And is this really the same word as split, or did the Englishification
screw it up?

-- ams



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Biju Chacko
On 11/7/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/7/07, Binand Sethumadhavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Pollichathu - coated with spices, wrapped in a banana leaf and baked.

 It's baked? Whenever I've had it, it's always been fried.

It's baked in a frying pan. You put just enough oil so that it doesn't
stick to the pan and then close the pan. Effectively it's baked in the
banana leaf.

-- b



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
 And now I'm hungry...
 
 I wonder if the Grand is still as good as it once was...

I ate there a few months ago and it was superlative.

Alleppey fish curry (instead of karimeen), and a chicken chettinad that had
some amazingly tender, perfectly cooked chicken, seasoned with fresh pepper
and was, interestingly enough, NOT drowning in oil the way a lot of madras
restaurants serve it up.




Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 11/7/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I ate there a few months ago and it was superlative.

And then there's Fry's. How I love that place. I'm not sure how well
known it is though. Ceylon Bake House, has unfortunately gone down the
sh**ter.



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 11/7/07, Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's baked in a frying pan. You put just enough oil so that it doesn't
 stick to the pan and then close the pan. Effectively it's baked in the
 banana leaf.

And now I'm hungry...

I wonder if the Grand is still as good as it once was...



[silk] Meen pollichathu (was: The Demise Of The Dollar)

2007-11-06 Thread Alok G. Singh
On  7 Nov 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I disagree. Aikura is the local name for seer. Ask for kari-meen or
 pearl spot. That's the one to be had as 'meen pollichathu'.

Balderdash. Karimeen is generally associated with the backwaters and
Calicut isn't. Malabar and Moplah cuisine doesn't have too much in
common with the southern icons of karimeen pollichathu and fish moilee
:) You'll probably get karimeen at Paragon though.

Also, Paragon makes their pollichathu (literally, seared) in a (afaik)
unique fashion.

-- 
Alok

NANCY!!  Why is everything RED?!



Re: [silk] Meen pollichathu (was: The Demise Of The Dollar)

2007-11-06 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
Wonder what the Tamil equivalent for pollichathu is...should be something
very similar, no?
One word I can think of is Avichathu - (like avicha-muttai - poached/boiled
egg)

C

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[silk] Dust patches on camera lens...

2007-11-06 Thread ashok _
The lens of my SLR / and CCD sensor of my camera have dust patches on
them... How do i remove these ? I tried wiping it with a microfiber
cloth but it doesnt seem to work .
Any ideas ?

ashok



Re: [silk] The Demise Of The Dollar

2007-11-06 Thread Binand Sethumadhavan
On 07/11/2007, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/7/07, Binand Sethumadhavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Pollichathu - coated with spices, wrapped in a banana leaf and baked.

 It's baked? Whenever I've had it, it's always been fried.

The Malayalam verb pollikkuka means, among other things, to cook in
dry heat which is characteristic of baking. Pollicha fish does not
come into direct contact with oil and hence is generally considered
baked even though it is cooked in a frying pan. The oil used in the
pollikkal process is only to ensure that the leaf itself does not
burn or stick to the pan used.

Binand



Re: [silk] Dust patches on camera lens...

2007-11-06 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
 The lens of my SLR / and CCD sensor of my camera have dust patches on
 them... How do i remove these ? I tried wiping it with a microfiber
 cloth but it doesnt seem to work .
 Any ideas ?

http://www.cameralabs.com/workshops/dslr_dust/ has some sound advice




[silk] Why don't we do it in the road?

2007-11-06 Thread Gautam John
India was ahead of the curve, on this one...

A new school of traffic design says we should get rid of stop signs
and red lights and let cars, bikes and people mingle together. It
sounds insane, but it works.

http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2004/05/20/traffic_design/index.html



Re: [silk] Dust patches on camera lens...

2007-11-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 09:25:20AM +0300, ashok _ wrote:
 The lens of my SLR / and CCD sensor of my camera have dust patches on
 them... How do i remove these ? I tried wiping it with a microfiber
 cloth but it doesnt seem to work .
 Any ideas ?

Professionals use collodium on lenses, but I would be very careful,
since it's an diethylether/ethanol solution which could damage some
polymers/coatings.

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