Re: CSCouple of questions (vaccines; CS/fresh batch)
A person sent water samples to a lab recently to check bacterial counts and wrote to me that the sample with the CS had as many bacteria as the untreated sample. Apparently the test didn't differentiate between dead bacteria and live..but the dead ones did show up, so, it's probable that CS just kills and doesn't destroy the bodies. Ode At 02:44 PM 11/5/2003 -0500, you wrote: Garnet wrote: Killed vaccines would not be affected since they are already dead. Modified Live could be affected so personally I would not give CS within two weeks, before or after, since it persists somewhat in the body and the vaccine takes a couple weeks to reach full effect. Do you have any tests to confirm that? Does CS simply kill pathogens, or oxidize them? Is a viral dna or rna really alive to start with? Can we say for sure that CS does not break down the complex proteins or dna of pathogens so that they would no longer give the immune response the vaccine is trying to trigger whether dead or alive? I don't know, but I am not certain that it is a clear cut dead or alive issue. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTyndall Effect
I've been running batch after batch [pint sized] and found that around 2 out of 8 develops a different TE than the ordinary very fine uniform one. Same water, different generators, same electrodes. I can find no significant electronic difference between generators. Current regulation is within .03 milliamps from high to low in the 1 milliamp range. That's a VERY small difference. The other than fine TE that develops has a multitude of very small uniform particles suspended along with a uniform background made of particles so small as to be indistiguishable as particles. [the normal very fine TE] The difference in the way the batches ran has to do with bubbley formations on the electrodes. Why one batch would begin developing this formation and another not is beyond me, but I did find that if the electrodes are wiped clean as soon as the bubbles are noticed, they did not tend to form again and the numbers of larger particles were greatly reduced. The most pronounced batch was allowed to actually grow blackish bubbely tenticles and was allowed to sit overnight as the bubbles constructing those formations were allowed to dissipate. Conclusion: The small sparkles [course grained] as seen against a background of a fine grained TE consists of oxides that have fallen off an electrode. Oxides are pretty much inert, so the effect is merely cosmetic. If left undisturbed for several days, small black spheroids of oxides should form on the bottom of the container which should stabilize and isolate these oxides from the rest of the water and TE should become uniformly fine grained. I'm watching to confirm this. Ode At 06:25 AM 1/4/2000 -0500, you wrote: Please define sparklies If you're shining a laser into the CS water and get a uniform beam, That's TE. TE is produced by particles small enough to make it through almost any filter. If there are big bright spots in that beam, those are sparklies. Sparklies can be caused by 'anything', not just chunks of oxides etc. Dust, pollen..and yes filter fibers. Dust is rampant even in conditioned air. Any object exposed to air will electrostatically gather dust like a magnet and any dust at all will show up as sparklies. If the filters are not sealed in a clean environment, they will have dust on them as well as loose fibers. Wash the filter in distilled water first? Ode At 10:06 AM 11/3/2003 -0700, you wrote: I have also been filtering it...still have the sparklies??? Kim - Original Message - From: mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net>Ode Coyote To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 8:18 PM Subject: Re: CS>Tyndall Effect Remove the electrodes slowly from the water and don't swish them around. Ode At 01:10 PM 11/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: I use the silverpuppy.. before making a batch, while using a laser beam..nothing after making a batch, while using a laser beam..lots of sparklies.. silverpuppy is regulated and shuts off automatically..so is it working right? - Original Message - From: mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net>Ode Coyote To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: Re: CS>Tyndall Effect If the CS is made right, light won't change it. I've made it in full sunlight with a solar panel. Ode At 02:45 PM 11/2/2003 +0800, you wrote: 1. I am still having trouble fully understanding the Tyndall effect. 2. Is it still advisable to use dark bottles for CS?. I have had Colloidal Silver sitting outside in full sun conditions for nearly two weeks in a plastic cup and still the tyndall effect is visable through a laser beam!!! -- Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENAU/2746??PS=> Click here -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CSIV silver/lyme
Sorry, this should have been continued on an old thread (IV silver, lyme, candida), but I am new and I currently do not have access to the archives and I do not know how to add to the old thread (learning as I go). Thank you for the replies. Marshallee---I would love to discuss with you more but I could not find out how to get your personal email. Mine is peacef...@aol.com. Maybe someone can tell me how to contact members privately via email. Ole Bob--- I am using Argentyn 23, made by the company you mentioned. Anyone else using Argentyn 23 (Natural Immunogenics corp)? Anyone using it IV? Maybe I do not need to treat this IV, but I know one other person with success this way and it sure gives a more powerful die off that way. Maybe it is a higher risk for candida? Kell
Re: CSCouple of questions (vaccines; CS/fresh batch)
Why a flu shot anyway? (is that right, this is about the flu vaccination?) Thankfully, I don't get sick anymore now that I spray my eyes daily with CS and use it orally also. When I was getting a flu shot every year, I was sick all the time. Just my experience. paula - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net A person sent water samples to a lab recently to check bacterial counts and wrote to me that the sample with the CS had as many bacteria as the untreated sample. Apparently the test didn't differentiate between dead bacteria and live..but the dead ones did show up, so, it's probable that CS just kills and doesn't destroy the bodies. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTyndall Effect
Hi Ode, Making CS with the microwave power supply generates a very large amount of very fine particles, but they tend to settle out over night. I use aggressive mechanical stirring, which tends to keep the electrodes a little cleaner. Ole Bob Ode Coyote wrote: I've been running batch after batch [pint sized] and found that around 2 out of 8 develops a different TE than the ordinary very fine uniform one. Same water, different generators, same electrodes. I can find no significant electronic difference between generators. Current regulation is within .03 milliamps from high to low in the 1 milliamp range. That's a VERY small difference. The other than fine TE that develops has a multitude of very small uniform particles suspended along with a uniform background made of particles so small as to be indistiguishable as particles. [the normal very fine TE] The difference in the way the batches ran has to do with bubbley formations on the electrodes. Why one batch would begin developing this formation and another not is beyond me, but I did find that if the electrodes are wiped clean as soon as the bubbles are noticed, they did not tend to form again and the numbers of larger particles were greatly reduced. The most pronounced batch was allowed to actually grow blackish bubbely tenticles and was allowed to sit overnight as the bubbles constructing those formations were allowed to dissipate. Conclusion: The small sparkles [course grained] as seen against a background of a fine grained TE consists of oxides that have fallen off an electrode. Oxides are pretty much inert, so the effect is merely cosmetic. If left undisturbed for several days, small black spheroids of oxides should form on the bottom of the container which should stabilize and isolate these oxides from the rest of the water and TE should become uniformly fine grained. I'm watching to confirm this. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsick friend with metastases
Excellent reference. I have the book, but had completely forgotten about that part. Marshall Trem wrote: Hi Sandy, We have had customers use CS to get rid of tumors and metastasized cancer with excellent results. I hadn't been able to determine why until I ran across the following excerpts in Dr. Becker's books. As a side note, he published his results and then his grants were stopped and not renewed so he could no longer continue with his work. Trem -- The Body Electric Chapter 8 Page 178 At this time, therefore, I must conclude that high-current electrodes might enhance the growth of any preexisting tumor cells in the electrical pathunlike low-current silver, which when negative had no effect on, and when positive suspended mitosis of cancer cells in our lab. Page 224 The Body Electric In my group's experiments with human fibrosarcoma cells in vitro, negative and positive currents both speeded up growth by over 300 percent. On the other hand, as mentioned in Chapter 8, we found that we could suspend mitosis in the fibrosarcoma cells with silver ions injected by minute levels of positive current. During one day of exposure, the cells appeared to dedifferentiate completely, and they stopped dividing for a month without additional treatment, even though we changed the nutrient medium regularly. Obviously, this entire subject needs to be investigated more thoroughly. Pages 164-166 cross currents By Dr. Robert O. Becker In each case, the nonunions healed even faster than they would have if negative electrical currents had been used. In addition, the soft tissues and skin healed at the same extraordinary rate. The electrically generated silver ion was doing something more than killing bacteriait was also causing major growth stimulation of tissues in the wound. When we finally tracked down exactly what was happening, we found that as human fibroblast cells (which are common throughout the body) were exposed to the electrically generated silver ions, they dedifferentiated. They were then able to multiply at a great rate, producing large numbers of primitive, embryonic cells in the wound even in patients over fifty years of age. These uncommitted cells were then able to differentiate into whatever cell types were needed to heal the wound. So what we were in fact doing was turning on regeneration in human tissues, which I had thought we would never be able to do. In our previous studies of regeneration, we had found that in human beings, only bone-marrow cells could dedifferentiate. Because there were so few such cells, we thought that any regeneration in human beings (other than fracture healing) was impossible. The dedifferentiation of the abundant fibroblast cells by electrically generated silver ions may provide us with the means to restore regeneration to human patients. While I was excited at this serendipitous discovery, my patients could have cared less how the wounds were healed. They were simply delighted at the fact that, at long last, a treatment had worked. Perhaps the most important moral in this story is that it demonstrates that no one can tell in advance what will happen in a scientific experiment. electrochemical therapy for cancer Actually, this circuitous pathway led us back to one of our original aims, the control of cancer growth. If the electrically generated silver ion dedifferentiated normal human fibroblast cells, would it also dedifferentiate human cancer cells? If so, we would have a way to duplicate in human beings Dr. S. Meryl Rose's experiments with salamander cancers, in which dedifferentiated cancer cells redifferentiated as normal cells. A lack of funds, unfortunately, prevented us from completing this work. However, we did find that some human cancer cells in culture appeared to dedifferentiate when exposed to these silver ions. I also had a patient with a severe, chronic bone infection who had an associated cancer in the wound. He refused amputation, which would have been the treatment of choice, and insisted that I treat his infection with the silver technique. After three months, the infection was under control, and the cancer cells in the wound appeared to have changed back to normal. When I last heard from him, eight years after the treatment, he was still fine. It is important to realize that this is not simply an electrical effect, but the result of the combined action of the electrical voltage and the electrically generated silver ions. It is an electrochemical treatment. While we do not have firm evidence at this time, what probably happens is that the silver ion is shaped so as to connect with some receptor group on the surface of the cancer-cell membrane. After that connection is made, an electrical-charge transfer sends a signal to the nucleus of the cancer cell that activates the
Re: CSCouple of questions (vaccines; CS/fresh batch)
Odd. I just sent a sample with and without CS to the lab. The report stated the one without had abundant colonies of gram positives and moderate colonies of gram negatives. The one with CS [added to the original sample] contained moderate and few respectively.. Stuff At 06:13 AM 10/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: A person sent water samples to a lab recently to check bacterial counts and wrote to me that the sample with the CS had as many bacteria as the untreated sample. Apparently the test didn't differentiate between dead bacteria and live..but the dead ones did show up, so, it's probable that CS just kills and doesn't destroy the bodies. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCleaning with CS
I have used it in the laundry for mildewed items. Had no control, so don't know if it did anything or not. Be careful of the waterfall. I would definitely put CS in there. Recirculating Waterfalls are a good source for Legionaire's disease. Marshall Pow-Map wrote: Has anyone here ever used CS in their laundry or even in a small waterfall?I have a lot of expensive towels that seem to have a mildew smell on them-despite washing and using eucalyptus oil in the laundry. Also, a small waterfall in my living room that tends to get a little smelly even after several drops of bleach.Would CS possibly destroy these mildew smells? After 6 minutes it should kill any bacteria/virus and I'm assuming mildew-so it makes sense to me but not sure.Thank you in advance,Mag
CSCleaning with CS
Has anyone here ever used CS in their laundry or even in a small waterfall? I have a lot of expensive towels that seem to have a mildew smell on them-despite washing and using eucalyptus oil in the laundry. Also, a small waterfall in my living room that tends to get a little smelly even after several drops of bleach. Would CS possibly destroy these mildew smells? After 6 minutes it should kill any bacteria/virus and I'm assuming mildew-so it makes sense to me but not sure. Thank you in advance, Mag
Re: CSIV silver/lyme
Dear Kell, Hi! I`m at mama...@netzero.net Send me an email wit your phone number, and I`ll call you with my story! I have never heard of the preparation you are using. Is it MSP? Marshalee Sorry, this should have been continued on an old thread (IV silver, lyme, candida), but I am new and I currently do not have access to the archives and I do not know how to add to the old thread (learning as I go). Thank you for the replies. Marshallee---I would love to discuss with you more but I could not find out how to get your personal email. Mine is peacef...@aol.com. Maybe someone can tell me how to contact members privately via email. Ole Bob--- I am using Argentyn 23, made by the company you mentioned. Anyone else using Argentyn 23 (Natural Immunogenics corp)? Anyone using it IV? Maybe I do not need to treat this IV, but I know one other person with success this way and it sure gives a more powerful die off that way. Maybe it is a higher risk for candida? Kell
Re: CSFwd: CS DMSO
I use DMSO full stregnth topically. In some people the Histamine reaction is too intense, it turns them red and generates heat and in some a burning sensation that is too strong, so they may need to dilute it in half. Not sure how much CS you need. It will not remain on the skin though, it will be carried into the blood stream immediately along with anything else on the skin. I assume that is what you want though. If you want it to remain on the skin don't use the DMSO. Garnet On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 16:29, SilverTedEBear wrote: I posted this once before and received no responses so I thought I'd try it again What ratio of CS to DMSO should I use for topical application and should I use pure DMSO or the 70% DMSO 30% Distilled Water solution? Thanks in advance! __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDMSO/MSM
At 04:48 PM 11/5/2003 +0005, you wrote: Rob posted the following quote from a web site: DMSO is a widely used commercial solvent derived from trees (living plants) as a byproduct from the production of paper. There are so many claimed health benefits from its use, one has to wonder if it doesn't perform a similar vital function in the biochemistry of plants. This sounds a little bit hokey to me. Somebody help me out here? If I recall my reading on DMSO, it's an industrial byproduct of paper pulp production... That's what it is. something that results from mixing cellulose and acid or something or other? Don't know anything about that. DMSO *IS* absolutely great stuff, but are these folks trying to warp the description to make it sound like a natural product solely for marketing purposes? I don't doubt it and it is great stuff. There's a lotta garbage sorting to do, an' so little time. Stuff Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: CS DMSO
At 02:29 PM 11/5/2003 -0800, you wrote: I posted this once before and received no responses so I thought I'd try it again What ratio of CS to DMSO should I use for topical application and should I use pure DMSO or the 70% DMSO 30% Distilled Water solution? Thanks in advance! Years ago I applied 80% DMSO to my wife's back because of her back pain. She blistered up with multiple water blisters. They were gone in 20 min. with no after effects. She was very fair skinned. Maybe that's why the reaction. Don't remember whether the second application produced the same reaction. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCleaning with CS
Why not try some CS in the next load of towels and find out. I have heard of using H2O2 as a bleach subsitute in laundry. 8 oz of 3% is what is suggested be mixed with the water. This should not bleach colored fabrics if mixed well and then add the clothes. The waterfall would likely benefit as well. Bleach evaporates and puts Chlorine gas into your indoor air, not good, as it ties of O2 in your system. I got a terrible migraine from spraying bleach in a moldy bathroom three days in a row. I no longer use bleach or if I must bleach a moldy shower I spray it behind the shower curtain and then leave for a few hours. Garnet On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 09:50, Pow-Map wrote: Has anyone here ever used CS in their laundry or even in a small waterfall? I have a lot of expensive towels that seem to have a mildew smell on them-despite washing and using eucalyptus oil in the laundry. Also, a small waterfall in my living room that tends to get a little smelly even after several drops of bleach. Would CS possibly destroy these mildew smells? After 6 minutes it should kill any bacteria/virus and I'm assuming mildew-so it makes sense to me but not sure. Thank you in advance, Mag -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNew member--IV silver, lyme, candida
I started using CS to combat a long-standing fingernail fungus, and had a similar experience- instead of 2 slightly affected fingernails I went to 3 severely affected fingernails, and one went on not only to ripple but to detach along one side. I theorize that CS killed off some bacteria or yeasts that were holding the candida in check. I've been using a vinegar dunk 2 x day as per Dr. Mercola's recommendation and 2 nails are now smooth with only slight scaling of the skin around the nail, while the detached nail has finally smoothed out and I'm hoping will improve in attachment soon. I'm also going to try harder with applying the menthol/camphor treatment as well. I haven't noticed any internal candida symptoms worsening, though, as I take CS only when fighting a cold or infection. Nancy -Original message- Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:36:02 EST From: peacef...@aol.com This is my first post to this group. I am battling chronic lyme disease after only minor success with antibiotics for one year. In the past few months I have seen some improvement using CS administered IV. The silver is 23 ppm and I am taking about 60-80 cc twice a week. Last Thurs, I took the silver and late that night thought I was having a worse than normal herx. By later the next day, I had developled a mild sore throat with some whitness on the tongue and some ulcerations around my tonsils and some smaller ulercations on my throat. Along with these visible symptoms, I was completely drained. Despite taking Diflucan, garlic, oregano oil, candex for the past 5 days I am still suffering from this. I NEVER had this kind of reaction with antibiotics. I have read some of the archives and there seem to be conflicting reports whether silver causes or helps fight candida. In my case, it seemed to have caused it. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew member--IV silver, lyme, candida
I'm making CS with IW [Injectable water] but am not injecting it, I'm injesting it. The bottle states that it causes hemolysis. So I would imagine one would need some way to make up for the loss of red blood cells. Comments, please with some hard facts, as difficult as they are to find in this world, would be appreciated. Stuff At 03:07 PM 11/5/2003 -0600, you wrote: Hi Kell, Who is doing the IV with CS?? I hope that you are not using homemade CS as it is not safe for IV use. The only known medically safe CS for IV is from Natural-immunogenics Those cured from Lyme used CS internally not IV !!! Ole Bob peacef...@aol.com wrote: Hello This is my first post to this group. I am battling chronic lyme disease after only minor success with antibiotics for one year. In the past few months I have seen some improvement using CS administered IV. The silver is 23 ppm and I am taking about 60-80 cc twice a week. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCleaning with CS
I use CS in the pet drinking fountain (in distilled water). No more slime, and I don't have to change and scrub the thing several times a week anymore. About once a week I dump the water, rinse and scrub with hot tap water, spray all parts well with CS, and let dry and refill. The fountain holds about 5 cups water and I add 1 tsp of approx 10 ppm CS to the DW when I fill it. With pets, I found that if I scrubbed anything with bleach, no matter now dilute, they wouldn't drink from that bowl anymore, ever. Plus, I agree with the reasons below for not using chlorine if at all possible. For laundry, we use Oxyclean, or liquid peroxide bleach made for laundry. paula - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net The waterfall would likely benefit as well. Bleach evaporates and puts Chlorine gas into your indoor air, not good, as it ties of O2 in your system. I got a terrible migraine from spraying bleach in a moldy bathroom three days in a row. I no longer use bleach or if I must bleach a moldy shower I spray it behind the shower curtain and then leave for a few hours. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTyndall Effect
At 06:43 AM 10/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: ...snip... Conclusion: The small sparkles [course grained] as seen against a background of a fine grained TE consists of oxides that have fallen off an electrode. Oxides are pretty much inert, so the effect is merely cosmetic. If left undisturbed for several days, small black spheroids of oxides should form on the bottom of the container which should stabilize and isolate these oxides from the rest of the water and TE should become uniformly fine grained. I'm watching to confirm this. What I've noticed is that my Mason jar has taken on a dark coating. I'm assuming this is silver oxide. Since that happened my CS has consistently [so far] been clear instead of yellow. But then, I'm also using starter from my clear batches. Hu. How to tell. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: brown recluse spider bite
Aloha Everyone, I found this info from another silver list at Yahoo. Hmmm... interesting to know that there's another option for dealing with the spider bites besides being shocked LOL Warmest Regards, Helena ~ A couple of years ago my wife was stung on her ankle by what we believe must have been a brown recluse spider. She did not feel anything until she scratched a mild itch on the ankle. Then the pain started. Within a few hours the pain was intense and the wound had started ulcerating. We applied Colloidal Silver to the wound and it seemed to help. The next day, she went to her physician. After he examined the wound, he said that it looked as though she had been stung by a brown recluse spider. He told her that he could not do anything for her except prescribe pain pills, and that she would probably need a skin graft if it did not heal. When she returned from the doctor's office, we got some bentonite clay powder (probably available at any health food store; do a WWW search on bentonite and pascalite), mixed it Colloidal Silver and MSM, and applied it to the wound as a poultice. Within hours, the pain subsided, and was largely gone the next day. My wife went back to her physician a few days later, and he was amazed at her remarkable progress. In fact, he told her that if anyone in his family ever got stung by a brown recluse spider, he would send them to her for treatment! And he was serious! We feel that the three ingredients in the poultice had three different effects, but this is only conjecture on our part. First, the bentonite clay mud pack may have drawn the venom out. Secondly, the minute electrical charge in each of the zillions of Colloidal Silver particles may have had a neutralizing effect on the venom similar to the stun gun protocol alluded to in other replies to the original message below. Moreover, it has come to my attention in the last year that some creatures that inject venom into their victims also deliver flesh eating bacteria that reside on their fangs or stingers, or in their mouths. Apparently (if I understand correctly), until recently all the focus was on the venom, and there was no awareness of the flesh eating bacteria that some of these creatures harbor. If this was so in my wife's case, then Colloidal Silver probably neutralized the flesh eating bacteria as well. Thirdly, the MSM likely allowed the Colloidal Silver to penetrate better, and the venom to be drawn out more readily. For this type of wound, it may be useful to use the poultice described, ingest Colloidal Silver and MSM, and inhale Colloidal Silver via a nebulizer or a saline nasal mist sprayer that has been emptied, flushed with distilled water, and filled halfway with Colloidal Silver.I hope that this information is useful; let me know.
CSTonight, PBS , Alternatives
To those who might be interested, if you recieve a PBS station in your area, Frontline is doing a program about alternative medicine and suppliments. Here in the West it will air at 9:00pm. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: brown recluse spider bite
Helena: Good point. I prefer a non-invasive treatment whenever possible. Electricity does many things, and should always be used wisely. As an example, it changes cell permeability. My thought regarding being poisoned: Why break down the toxins when you have the option of simply pulling them out. The shock treatment, I do believe, however, can be effective! I've never needed to try it, however! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Helena Hsu To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: CSRe: brown recluse spider bite Aloha Everyone, I found this info from another silver list at Yahoo. Hmmm... interesting to know that there's another option for dealing with the spider bites besides being shocked LOL Warmest Regards, Helena ~ A couple of years ago my wife was stung on her ankle by what we believe must have been a brown recluse spider. She did not feel anything until she scratched a mild itch on the ankle. Then the pain started. Within a few hours the pain was intense and the wound had started ulcerating. We applied Colloidal Silver to the wound and it seemed to help. The next day, she went to her physician. After he examined the wound, he said that it looked as though she had been stung by a brown recluse spider. He told her that he could not do anything for her except prescribe pain pills, and that she would probably need a skin graft if it did not heal. When she returned from the doctor's office, we got some bentonite clay powder (probably available at any health food store; do a WWW search on bentonite and pascalite), mixed it Colloidal Silver and MSM, and applied it to the wound as a poultice. Within hours, the pain subsided, and was largely gone the next day. My wife went back to her physician a few days later, and he was amazed at her remarkable progress. In fact, he told her that if anyone in his family ever got stung by a brown recluse spider, he would send them to her for treatment! And he was serious! We feel that the three ingredients in the poultice had three different effects, but this is only conjecture on our part. First, the bentonite clay mud pack may have drawn the venom out. Secondly, the minute electrical charge in each of the zillions of Colloidal Silver particles may have had a neutralizing effect on the venom similar to the stun gun protocol alluded to in other replies to the original message below. Moreover, it has come to my attention in the last year that some creatures that inject venom into their victims also deliver flesh eating bacteria that reside on their fangs or stingers, or in their mouths. Apparently (if I understand correctly), until recently all the focus was on the venom, and there was no awareness of the flesh eating bacteria that some of these creatures harbor. If this was so in my wife's case, then Colloidal Silver probably neutralized the flesh eating bacteria as well. Thirdly, the MSM likely allowed the Colloidal Silver to penetrate better, and the venom to be drawn out more readily. For this type of wound, it may be useful to use the poultice described, ingest Colloidal Silver and MSM, and inhale Colloidal Silver via a nebulizer or a saline nasal mist sprayer that has been emptied, flushed with distilled water, and filled halfway with Colloidal Silver.I hope that this information is useful; let me know.
RE: CSCleaning with CS
Hi Mag, I've sent this list of many CS uses to many and am sending it on your website. I'll send it to any others who might request it. If I can be of more help, let me know. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Pow-Map [mailto:pow-...@ameritech.net] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:51 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCleaning with CS Has anyone here ever used CS in their laundry or even in a small waterfall? I have a lot of expensive towels that seem to have a mildew smell on them-despite washing and using eucalyptus oil in the laundry. Also, a small waterfall in my living room that tends to get a little smelly even after several drops of bleach. Would CS possibly destroy these mildew smells? After 6 minutes it should kill any bacteria/virus and I'm assuming mildew-so it makes sense to me but not sure. Thank you in advance, Mag
CSRe: CS DMSO
The DMSO I have says 99% purity. If I put in on straight it burns really badly for at least 30 minutes, no blisters, but it really hurts.still experimenting to find a dilution that does not burn so much, but is strong enough to work (for sprains, arthritic knee, etc.). The dilutions I find most tolerable don't seem to produce pain reduction.drat. paula -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFwd: CS DMSO
Of course, one cannot legally sell nor use DMSO medicinally in US of A; with the exception of Injectable DMSO for Interstitial Cystitis! That said, almost every athletic trainer uses it on sprains, bruises sports injuries, and the athlete usually can return to the contest. It is usually purchased at 99.9% and in order to apply to sensitive skin, must be diluted with distilled water to about 70% to avoid blistering--must be applied to Clean Skin. There is no need to rub it in, as DMSO penetrates skin and will take anything dissolved in it through the skin to the point of pain--rapidly; so that if you apply to foot, within a minute, you can taste it! Amazing! DMSO is illegal because of one doctor in the FDA and his stupidity! For a fascinating read, get Pat McGrady's book: DMSO, The Persecuted Drug. Like CS, DMSO is truly a Gift from God with harmless but effective uses. If I can help in any way, please let me know: www.rharrisinc.com Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFwd: CS DMSO At 02:29 PM 11/5/2003 -0800, you wrote: I posted this once before and received no responses so I thought I'd try it again What ratio of CS to DMSO should I use for topical application and should I use pure DMSO or the 70% DMSO 30% Distilled Water solution? Thanks in advance! Years ago I applied 80% DMSO to my wife's back because of her back pain. She blistered up with multiple water blisters. They were gone in 20 min. with no after effects. She was very fair skinned. Maybe that's why the reaction. Don't remember whether the second application produced the same reaction. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTyndall Effect
Hi Stuff, I have a gallon jug with the inside also coated--like making a film negative! Look closely and see if you were smiling as it snapped your picture--big joke. They say that by putting in a little H2O2 and swirling around, then wiping inside with a paper towel, the jar will be good as new. That's what I plan to do. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTyndall Effect At 06:43 AM 10/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: ...snip... Conclusion: The small sparkles [course grained] as seen against a background of a fine grained TE consists of oxides that have fallen off an electrode. Oxides are pretty much inert, so the effect is merely cosmetic. If left undisturbed for several days, small black spheroids of oxides should form on the bottom of the container which should stabilize and isolate these oxides from the rest of the water and TE should become uniformly fine grained. I'm watching to confirm this. What I've noticed is that my Mason jar has taken on a dark coating. I'm assuming this is silver oxide. Since that happened my CS has consistently [so far] been clear instead of yellow. But then, I'm also using starter from my clear batches. Hu. How to tell. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew member--IV silver, lyme, candida
, as I take CS only when fighting a cold or infection. Nancy You know, if you take one swallow of CS a day as a preventive, you won`t have to fight off a cold or infection!! It is much easier to prevent them than to fight them off, as I`m attesting to right now. Got lazy, didn`t take my CS, and had a nasty cold last week, along with torn chest muscles from all the coughing! Doh! Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFwd: CS DMSO
Hi Garnet, Sorry to hear about your problems. If I had the same problems, I would add a teaspoonful H2O2 3% to a qt of CS (10-20 ppm)--take 4 oz of this and dissolve as much MSM powder as possible (making a Saturated Sol.) then to this 4 +oz mixture, I'd add 1 oz DMSO (99.9%) and apply that as a wet dressing for 30 minutes if possible 3 times a day. I believe that might help. Also, see my reply to STUFF that I just sent about DMSO. Always dilute 99.9% DMSO down to 70% or start with 1/2 distilled water 1/2 DMSO if user has real sensitive skin. Always add the DMSO to the water--NOT the water to the DMSO as it get hot when you mix it. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:34 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFwd: CS DMSO I use DMSO full stregnth topically. In some people the Histamine reaction is too intense, it turns them red and generates heat and in some a burning sensation that is too strong, so they may need to dilute it in half. Not sure how much CS you need. It will not remain on the skin though, it will be carried into the blood stream immediately along with anything else on the skin. I assume that is what you want though. If you want it to remain on the skin don't use the DMSO. Garnet On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 16:29, SilverTedEBear wrote: I posted this once before and received no responses so I thought I'd try it again What ratio of CS to DMSO should I use for topical application and should I use pure DMSO or the 70% DMSO 30% Distilled Water solution? Thanks in advance! __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: brown recluse spider bite
After he examined the wound, he said that it looked as though she had been stung by a brown recluse spider Spiders do not sting, they bite. Two different things... Marshalee BTW, I was bitten too, CS made all the difference.
RE: CSRe: CS DMSO
Hi Paula, Please keep reading the items today, I wrote to 2 people discussing this. Please let me know if I can be of help. ALWAYS dilute and by adding DMSO to Water--notice the heat--it cools down. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:pcar...@wyoming.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: CS DMSO The DMSO I have says 99% purity. If I put in on straight it burns really badly for at least 30 minutes, no blisters, but it really hurts.still experimenting to find a dilution that does not burn so much, but is strong enough to work (for sprains, arthritic knee, etc.). The dilutions I find most tolerable don't seem to produce pain reduction.drat. paula -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAsthma ..Update
Vince Richter 11/5/03 2:26 PM Wrote: Now, is it a problem that I bought an ultra sonic humidifier and expect to get the cs in the mist? *** Well Vince I do not know with a certainty to say yes or no. I believe that a nebulizer does deliver the CS to the lungs, but have reason to say that for other devices. After I send this I will see what I can learn by searching the web. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: CS DMSO
SilverTedEBear 11/5/03 2:29 PM Wrote: What ratio of CS to DMSO should I use for topical application Why are you wanting to use it topically? The answer will, in my opinion and use, vary with the purpose. and should I use pure DMSO cut it to atleast 50 / 50 with either CS or DW. Then depending on the purpose, further dilution may be desirable. I have skin areas that accept a 50 / 50 mix with no pain, yet experience a stinging sensation with a 10% DMSO concentration, I think that time and testing will answer some of the questions for you. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCleaning with CS
Mag- My experience with getting mildew out of towels is that bleach works very well- 1 cup per load. If you don't want bleach, Oxy-plus, a new oxidizing cleaner, can be added to wash also. It is a powder and doesn't have the chlorine. It might also lighten colors. I also use borax to add to wash to freshen it, found in the detergent section of stores. It would not have a bleaching effect. Hot water also helps. As for the fountain, I have no experience with that but CS might do it. Nancy Original message-- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:50:57 -0500 From: Pow-Map pow-...@ameritech.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCleaning with CS Has anyone here ever used CS in their laundry or even in a small waterfall? I have a lot of expensive towels that seem to have a mildew smell on them-despite washing and using eucalyptus oil in the laundry. Also, a small waterfall in my living room that tends to get a little smelly even after several drops of bleach. Would CS possibly destroy these mildew smells? After 6 minutes it should kill any bacteria/virus and I'm assuming mildew-so it makes sense to me but not sure. Thank you in advance, Mag -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIV silver/lyme
Hi mamapug, Agentyn 23 is probably the very best CS made. Go to natural-immunogenics and look at Stephen Quinto's material. It is medical grade made under conditions that most of us could not afford. Stephen has a two or three step process before distillation, which is under an Argon atmosphere. The output is transported and processed in a laboratory clean room with the DW and CS under an Argon atmosphere. Nancy Delios had her doctor use Stephen's product to finish up her MS problem. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS DMSO
Hi Paula, I have a bottle of 99.9% pure and I tried putting it on straight for a sore knee and it stung for three days so I won't do that again! Hehe Hopefully you'll find that perfect combination. 'Ted' --- sol pcarter-at-wyoming.com |SilverList| gvpfhmv1d...@sneakemail.com wrote: The DMSO I have says 99% purity. If I put in on straight it burns really badly for at least 30 minutes, no blisters, but it really hurts.still experimenting to find a dilution that does not burn so much, but is strong enough to work (for sprains, arthritic knee, etc.). The dilutions I find most tolerable don't seem to produce pain reduction.drat. paula -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
Re: CSFwd: CS DMSO
Hi Jack, I'm using it topically for herpes lesions, raised 'welts' where these lesions are trying to form, and when I start feeling any burning, tingling or itching in the area my outbreaks occur to try and head the virus off at the pass as it were. I've tried various combinations so far starting with 70% DMSO and 30% CS then went to a 50/50 mixture then a 30/70 mixture. All of these have caused the 'welts' to burn/sting quite a bit although the less DMSO used the lesser the stinging. I'd like to elminate the stinging while making sure I get as much of the CS into the skin as possible to combat the virus. 'Ted' --- Jack Dayton jackday-at-harbornet.com |SilverList| d301hmtkc...@sneakemail.com wrote: SilverTedEBear 11/5/03 2:29 PM Wrote: What ratio of CS to DMSO should I use for topical application Why are you wanting to use it topically? The answer will, in my opinion and use, vary with the purpose. and should I use pure DMSO cut it to atleast 50 / 50 with either CS or DW. Then depending on the purpose, further dilution may be desirable. I have skin areas that accept a 50 / 50 mix with no pain, yet experience a stinging sensation with a 10% DMSO concentration, I think that time and testing will answer some of the questions for you. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
Re: CSNew member--IV silver, lyme, candida
Hi Stuff, Since you are ingesting the silver ions I would not worry about anything. You probably paying a stiff premium for Injectable water when Walgreem or Wal- Mart water is excellent for this process. Wal-Mart DW is $0.58 before taxes. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew member--IV silver, lyme, candida
Hi Nancy, Could you direct me to some info on the vinegar dunk you spoke of? 'Ted' --- Tad Winiecki winiecki-at-pacifier.com |SilverList| 2emwhn2kq...@sneakemail.com wrote: I started using CS to combat a long-standing fingernail fungus, and had a similar experience- instead of 2 slightly affected fingernails I went to 3 severely affected fingernails, and one went on not only to ripple but to detach along one side. I theorize that CS killed off some bacteria or yeasts that were holding the candida in check. I've been using a vinegar dunk 2 x day as per Dr. Mercola's recommendation and 2 nails are now smooth with only slight scaling of the skin around the nail, while the detached nail has finally smoothed out and I'm hoping will improve in attachment soon. I'm also going to try harder with applying the menthol/camphor treatment as well. I haven't noticed any internal candida symptoms worsening, though, as I take CS only when fighting a cold or infection. Nancy -Original message- Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:36:02 EST From: peacef...@aol.com This is my first post to this group. I am battling chronic lyme disease after only minor success with antibiotics for one year. In the past few months I have seen some improvement using CS administered IV. The silver is 23 ppm and I am taking about 60-80 cc twice a week. Last Thurs, I took the silver and late that night thought I was having a worse than normal herx. By later the next day, I had developled a mild sore throat with some whitness on the tongue and some ulcerations around my tonsils and some smaller ulercations on my throat. Along with these visible symptoms, I was completely drained. Despite taking Diflucan, garlic, oregano oil, candex for the past 5 days I am still suffering from this. I NEVER had this kind of reaction with antibiotics. I have read some of the archives and there seem to be conflicting reports whether silver causes or helps fight candida. In my case, it seemed to have caused it. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
RE: CSNew member--IV silver, lyme, candida
-Original Message- From: Tad Winiecki [mailto:winie...@pacifier.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:52 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNew member--IV silver, lyme, candida I started using CS to combat a long-standing fingernail fungus, and had a similar experience- instead of 2 slightly affected fingernails I went to 3 severely affected fingernails, and one went on not only to ripple but to detach along one side. I theorize that CS killed off some bacteria or yeasts that were holding the candida in check. I've been using a vinegar dunk 2 x day as per Dr. Mercola's recommendation and 2 nails are now smooth with only slight scaling of the skin around the nail, while the detached nail has finally smoothed out and I'm hoping will improve in attachment soon. I'm also going to try harder with applying the menthol/camphor treatment as well. I haven't noticed any internal candida symptoms worsening, though, as I take CS only when fighting a cold or infection. Nancy -Original message- Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:36:02 EST From: peacef...@aol.com This is my first post to this group. I am battling chronic lyme disease after only minor success with antibiotics for one year. In the past few months I have seen some improvement using CS administered IV. The silver is 23 ppm and I am taking about 60-80 cc twice a week. Last Thurs, I took the silver and late that night thought I was having a worse than normal herx. By later the next day, I had developled a mild sore throat with some whitness on the tongue and some ulcerations around my tonsils and some smaller ulercations on my throat. Along with these visible symptoms, I was completely drained. Despite taking Diflucan, garlic, oregano oil, candex for the past 5 days I am still suffering from this. I NEVER had this kind of reaction with antibiotics. I have read some of the archives and there seem to be conflicting reports whether silver causes or helps fight candida. In my case, it seemed to have caused it. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNew member--IV silver, lyme, candida
Hi Nancy, Sorry to hear about your problems. If I had the same problems, I would add a teaspoonful H2O2 3% to a qt of CS (10-20 ppm)--take 4 oz of this and dissolve as much MSM powder as possible (making a Saturated Sol.) then to this 4 +oz mixture, I'd add 1 oz DMSO (99.9%) and apply that as a wet dressing for 30 minutes if possible 3 times a day. I believe that might help; if not see my site: www.rharrisinc.com Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Tad Winiecki [mailto:winie...@pacifier.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:52 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNew member--IV silver, lyme, candida I started using CS to combat a long-standing fingernail fungus, and had a similar experience- instead of 2 slightly affected fingernails I went to 3 severely affected fingernails, and one went on not only to ripple but to detach along one side. I theorize that CS killed off some bacteria or yeasts that were holding the candida in check. I've been using a vinegar dunk 2 x day as per Dr. Mercola's recommendation and 2 nails are now smooth with only slight scaling of the skin around the nail, while the detached nail has finally smoothed out and I'm hoping will improve in attachment soon. I'm also going to try harder with applying the menthol/camphor treatment as well. I haven't noticed any internal candida symptoms worsening, though, as I take CS only when fighting a cold or infection. Nancy -Original message- Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:36:02 EST From: peacef...@aol.com This is my first post to this group. I am battling chronic lyme disease after only minor success with antibiotics for one year. In the past few months I have seen some improvement using CS administered IV. The silver is 23 ppm and I am taking about 60-80 cc twice a week. Last Thurs, I took the silver and late that night thought I was having a worse than normal herx. By later the next day, I had developled a mild sore throat with some whitness on the tongue and some ulcerations around my tonsils and some smaller ulercations on my throat. Along with these visible symptoms, I was completely drained. Despite taking Diflucan, garlic, oregano oil, candex for the past 5 days I am still suffering from this. I NEVER had this kind of reaction with antibiotics. I have read some of the archives and there seem to be conflicting reports whether silver causes or helps fight candida. In my case, it seemed to have caused it. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCleaning with CS
Thank you for all who responded-Garnet, Marshall, Richard and Paula. I already added my CS (5ppm) to my fountain (I used an ounce-it holds a gallon) and I'll keep smelling it :0 As for the towels- I'm going to run a load and use a couple of ounces and let it sit for 10 minutes. I'll keep my fingers crossed and let you know. Thanks, Mag - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: Re: CSCleaning with CS Why not try some CS in the next load of towels and find out. I have heard of using H2O2 as a bleach subsitute in laundry. 8 oz of 3% is what is suggested be mixed with the water. This should not bleach colored fabrics if mixed well and then add the clothes. The waterfall would likely benefit as well. Bleach evaporates and puts Chlorine gas into your indoor air, not good, as it ties of O2 in your system. I got a terrible migraine from spraying bleach in a moldy bathroom three days in a row. I no longer use bleach or if I must bleach a moldy shower I spray it behind the shower curtain and then leave for a few hours. Garnet On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 09:50, Pow-Map wrote: Has anyone here ever used CS in their laundry or even in a small waterfall? I have a lot of expensive towels that seem to have a mildew smell on them-despite washing and using eucalyptus oil in the laundry. Also, a small waterfall in my living room that tends to get a little smelly even after several drops of bleach. Would CS possibly destroy these mildew smells? After 6 minutes it should kill any bacteria/virus and I'm assuming mildew-so it makes sense to me but not sure. Thank you in advance, Mag -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCleaning with CS
Nancy, thanks for the reply. I honestly never thought of really hot water-so I'll try that. I'm also going to add a couple ounces of CS and let it sit for 10 minutes on the rinse load. I can't use bleach-they're such a pretty color :) If this fails-I'll try the Borax. After several posts, I added CS to my fountain. Will see on the 2 and I'll definitely post the outcome. Thanks, Mag - Original Message - From: Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com To: pow-...@ameritech.net Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: CSCleaning with CS Mag- My experience with getting mildew out of towels is that bleach works very well- 1 cup per load. If you don't want bleach, Oxy-plus, a new oxidizing cleaner, can be added to wash also. It is a powder and doesn't have the chlorine. It might also lighten colors. I also use borax to add to wash to freshen it, found in the detergent section of stores. It would not have a bleaching effect. Hot water also helps. As for the fountain, I have no experience with that but CS might do it. Nancy Original message-- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:50:57 -0500 From: Pow-Map pow-...@ameritech.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCleaning with CS Has anyone here ever used CS in their laundry or even in a small waterfall? I have a lot of expensive towels that seem to have a mildew smell on them-despite washing and using eucalyptus oil in the laundry. Also, a small waterfall in my living room that tends to get a little smelly even after several drops of bleach. Would CS possibly destroy these mildew smells? After 6 minutes it should kill any bacteria/virus and I'm assuming mildew-so it makes sense to me but not sure. Thank you in advance, Mag -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCleaning with CS
I had a thought about your problem, if your washer has accumulated dirt and residue around the tub it can be growing mold and bacteria. I had this happen when I tried those ionic discs that are used in place of detergent. They do not dissolve grease and oil well, this can mix with other residues and start growing stuff. I had to have the tub removed, takes a special tool, so that it could be cleaned. I stopped using the discs. I use Borax and Washing soda since I have somewhat hard water. For soap I use diluted Castile, since I am sensitive to many detergents or their fragrance. Borax, like oxyclean, which I also use, is a degreaser and deodorizer. Garnet On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 16:24, Tad Winiecki wrote: Mag- My experience with getting mildew out of towels is that bleach works very well- 1 cup per load. If you don't want bleach, Oxy-plus, a new oxidizing cleaner, can be added to wash also. It is a powder and doesn't have the chlorine. It might also lighten colors. I also use borax to add to wash to freshen it, found in the detergent section of stores. It would not have a bleaching effect. Hot water also helps. As for the fountain, I have no experience with that but CS might do it. Nancy Original message-- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:50:57 -0500 From: Pow-Map pow-...@ameritech.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCleaning with CS Has anyone here ever used CS in their laundry or even in a small waterfall? I have a lot of expensive towels that seem to have a mildew smell on them-despite washing and using eucalyptus oil in the laundry. Also, a small waterfall in my living room that tends to get a little smelly even after several drops of bleach. Would CS possibly destroy these mildew smells? After 6 minutes it should kill any bacteria/virus and I'm assuming mildew-so it makes sense to me but not sure. Thank you in advance, Mag -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS in milk
FYI regarding CS in milk from a thread several weeks ago... I added approximately 1 1/2 to 2 ounces of CS to about 3/4 of a gallon of milk just before it's expiration date of September 29, 2003. I drank the last of that milk tonight... it smelled and tasted just as fresh as milk should before it expires... :-) Just thought y'all would like to know... have a good night all Ruth
CSCS DMSO Castor Oil
Hi Garnet, and list, I'm thinking of using DMSO mixed with castor oil and applied to my abdomen (thanks, Dan, for suggesting Castor Oil). This is to hopefully dissolve internal adhessions. My question is this, since DMSO transports everything that is *on* the skin into the bloodstream (is this right?), then is it suggested to thoroughly wash the skin first, spray on some CS, then apply the castor oil/DMSO? Would it even be wise to mix castor oil with DMSO I wonder. BTW, on recommendation from someone on this list (thanks, Cliff) I purchased the book on DMSO by Morton Walker. It was delivered today but I won't get a chance to read it until the weekend. thanks for any input, Elle From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net I use DMSO full stregnth topically. In some people the Histamine reaction is too intense, it turns them red and generates heat and in some a burning sensation that is too strong, so they may need to dilute it in half. Not sure how much CS you need. It will not remain on the skin though, it will be carried into the blood stream immediately along with anything else on the skin. I assume that is what you want though. If you want it to remain on the skin don't use the DMSO. Garnet _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAsthma ..Update
-Original Message- From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] Vince Richter 11/5/03 2:26 PM Wrote: Now, is it a problem that I bought an ultra sonic humidifier and expect to get the cs in the mist? *** Well Vince I do not know with a certainty to say yes or no. I believe that a nebulizer does deliver the CS to the lungs, but have reason to say that for other devices. After I send this I will see what I can learn by searching the web. Jack Be Nice You may want to check this site out: http://home.howstuffworks.com/humidifier4.htm . The second concern is minerals in the water. Impeller and ultrasonic designs send these minerals into the air. If the water in your area contains a lot of minerals, you will notice them as dust. The EPA does not issue health warnings about minerals in the air, but does recommend using low-mineral water (such as distilled water) in your humidifier. Many ultrasonic models feature a demineralization cartridge that filters minerals out of the water to prevent the dust. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS and the Immune System
Hi, At the risk of raising some people's ire, isn't it a good idea to let our bodies get the occasional cold? Doesn't that help strenghthen the immune system? Are we trying to *replace* the immune system by taking CS all the time, or what? I'm not attacking anyone or any point of view. I'm just questioning. If, for example, Marshalee got a cold shortly after stopping her CS, that tells me that CS doesn't boost the immune system, but rather works very much like an anti-biotic/anti-viral. Not that that's a bad thing, I don't know. It just seems to me that unless there are very clear reasons for taking CS all the time, are we not doing our immune systems a disservice by not challenging it with the odd cold or flu? thanks for any thoughts on the topic. Elle From: mamapug mama...@netzero.net You know, if you take one swallow of CS a day as a preventive, you won`t have to fight off a cold or infection!! It is much easier to prevent them than to fight them off, as I`m attesting to right now. Got lazy, didn`t take my CS, and had a nasty cold last week, along with torn chest muscles from all the coughing! Doh! Marshalee _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
