Re: CSPotassium in quantity of food

[Garnet]

Juicing fresh organic produce is one way of concentrating nutrients. I
add a bit of Chinese Cucumber for a natural oxygen kick. I drink it
immediately and do not store it. Celery is said to be the perfect
electrolyte boost. 

Garnet

On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 21:18, Wayne Fugitt wrote:
 Evening Garnet,
 
 At 08:30 PM 3/8/04, you wrote:
 Watermelon, apricots and dates are all pretty high in Potassium. I can
 look up the values if anyone wants them from the USDA charts.
 
   I would consider watermelon to be average or low, depending on what you 
 compare it with.
 
   The concentration of a given food has a direct bearing on the potassium 
 content per 100 grams.
 Some foods are highly concentrated while others are lowly concentrated.  No 
 one eats a few pounds of raisins, almonds, or other nuts or seeds.  Eating 
 several pounds of fruit and produce is possible and probably within a day.
 
 
Most of this academic stuff is irrelevant to most people because they do 
 not eat enough of the food for it to be of value.
 
Counting K  mg is a lot like counting calories and playing Russian 
 roulette with the glycemic index. It is not going to make us healthy or 
 provide us with adequate nutrients.
 
One must eat good food, regularly, continuously, for the amounts to add 
 up enough to provide health.
 
I eat pounds of tomatoes per day and many pounds of watermelon because I 
 have them, I like them, and I consider them good food.
 
Most people never eat 2 to 4 pounds of tomatoes per day in their 
 lifetime.  They never eat half  of a 40 or 45 pound watermelon.   Talk 
 about potassium . how many eat 50 figs per day?
 
The mickey mouse meals many people eat indicate they might as well give 
 up and hit the supplements several times per day.
 
Of course I know the people here are not the average people I am talking 
 about.
 
I say again, I have asked many friends, how much potassium do we need 
 per day, and how much do you get?   No one has given me an answer yet.
 
I am about tired of telling them my secrets of nutrition and health 
 which have been suppressed from the public all their life and mine as well.
 
We have to hunt and search, and search and hunt for the truth.  Some of 
 us have found a small percent of it.
 
Potassium, like many other things has been a sore subject with me 
 because everyone ignores it and expects the cells to keep working like a 
 fine swiss watch.
 
 As far as I am concerned all fresh raw produce has the same amount of 
 potassium.
 Average about 300 mg per 100 grams.  The nuts and raisins I eat daily 
 are some of the highest, about 700 mg per 100 grams.
 
   All I can get and all I can eat should give me enough.   And I still 
 pop a supplement from time to time.
 
Wayne
 
   
 
 
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CS

[David S Osborne]

I know nothing about this, but.






Just in caseI thought I would pass this on!




READ ASAP


 Very Important 


During the next several weeks be VERY cautious about opening or 
launching any e-mails that refer to the World Trade Center or 9/11 in 
any way, regardless of who sent it. PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL YOUR 
FRIENDS AND FAMILY. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, WTC STANDS FOR THE 
WORLD TRADE CENTER. REALLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL OPEN IT 
RIGHT AWAY, THINKING ITS A STORY RELATING TO 9/11! 

BI TROUBLE  DO NOT OPEN WTC Survivor It is a virus that 
will erase your whole C drive.. It will come to you in the form of 
an E-Mail from a familiar person. I repeat, a friend sent it to me, 
but called and warned me before I opened it. He was not so lucky and 
now he can't even start his computer! 

Forward this to everyone in your address book. I would rather 
receive this 25 times than not at all. So, if you receive an email 
called WTC Survivor, do not open it. Delete it right away! This 
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PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE! 

Re: CSPotassium and Folic Acid Legal Limits

[Nancy Venzon]

Your right, it is stronger and the 99mg is quite palatable. Nancy

Wayne Fugitt wfug...@direcway.com wrote:Evening Nancy,

 It is hard to overdose someone with the oral , as it tastes so bad in 
 liquid form.

The liquid I have, when mixed with water has virtually zero 
taste. The material you mention must be more concentrated than 99 mg per 
tsp. Even when taking this straight, it only tastes salty. Not bad for 
anyone that likes lemons, grapefruit, dill pickles, and green persimmons.

However patients with renal problems frequently have high or retain 
potassium and they are careful with foods and medication containing it. 
Anyone irregardless of their health status can be harmed by too much 
potassium.

At a recent outdoor event, while eating a banana, an acquaintance 
walked up and stated,

I cannot eat anything with potassium.

I replied, . My friend, you are going to die. He said, I know 
that. Then I said, Yes, but long before your time.

Fact is, some doctor told him to avoid potassium. I question this logic.

How can anyone avoid potassium? Think of the thousands of foods he 
cannot eat.

Seems the doctor should have told him, Don't et anything high in 
potassium. That would be a disaster also.

He does have some serious illness. I see him once a month. Maybe I 
can find out more facts.

 Anyone irregardless of their health status can be harmed by too much 
potassium.

This is what my friends say ( to some degree) when I am griping 
about the FDA limit of 99 mg per pill or spoonful.

Even the bottle of liquid states, Take one TSP per day. 99 mg ! Of 
course I can take 3 to 5 or 10 tsp.

Since the beginning of modern record keeping, how many people do you 
estimate have been killed by too much potassium? A few billion people 
have to be penalized because some fool got the potassium bottle mixed up 
with the beer bottle.

Most of us know about the limit of folic acid, .1 mg was the limit for 
years. Everyone knows why this limit was set to protect a very small 
minority of the people and penalize billions. ( Vegetarians with anemia )

The limit was increased to .4 mg and now .8 mg. I take several per 
day. Fifty years ago, Adelle Davis suggested 5 mg per day. At that time, 
I would have to take 50 pills. Today, I only need to take 10 or 20.

Many great doctors suggest many times the legal pill limit as the daily 
intake of folic acid.

Finally, we know the FDA don't really care how many of us kill ourselves 
with either their approved drugs or the ones we approve our self.

So, without question, they have some alterative motive for all these 
unreasonable restrictions.

Wayne



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Re: CShoax?

[Norman Cameron]

http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/hoaxes/hoax.asp


  From: David S Osborne 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:40 AM
  Subject: CS


  I know nothing about this, but.






Just in caseI thought I would pass this on!


 
 

CSPrimary biliary cirrhosis

[M. G. Devour]

A friend writes to me:
 I have been placed by the Mayo Clinic on the national waiting list for
 a liver transplant. For many years I have had a condition called
 primary biliary cirrhosis.  

 It is considered an auto immune disease which destroys the bile ducts.
 While I have been on medication (a bile salt called Urso) since 1991
 the symptoms were slowed but eventually the liver is damaged enough to
 fail and require transplant.  That is the stage at which I am now. 
 One of the major side effects (besides liver failure) is fatigue, plus
 jaundice and just an overall inability to do much, even think clearly
 some days.  

Does anyone here have any thoughts or suggestions on effective 
therapies for this condition?

Thanks!

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSPotassium article, with a question for Richard

[Grant]

Hmmm:
 My organic  Blackstrap Mol.  label says 175 mg/ serving.. ( Per 
100 gms).

  Quite a difference..
  Are there different  ingredients quantities in this stuff. ?
  Grant..

Wayne Fugitt wrote:


At 09:25 PM 3/8/04, you wrote:


Blackstrap Molassas has 660mg/tbs.  I take 2-3 tbs/day in juice with a
few other supplements.  Commnent?


   Sounds like a genius idea.   Readily available, economical, and 
tastes decent, after proper training of the taste buds.


   I used to make a drink of milk, blackstrap, and soy powder.   
Considering all the bad press for soy and milk, I should be dead by now.


  There must have been some valuable nutrients in all those ingredients.

  Wayne


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Re: CSPotassium article, with a question for Richard

[sol]

Hmm, my Brer Rabbit non organic, unsulphured molasses says 349 mg per 1 
TBS. Label also says this is 10% of the US Daily Value. (just FWIW, not 
that I put a lot of faith in the USRDA)

paula

Grant wrote:


Hmmm:
 My organic  Blackstrap Mol.  label says 175 mg/ serving.. ( Per 
100 gms).

  Quite a difference..
  Are there different  ingredients quantities in this stuff. ?
  Grant..

Wayne Fugitt wrote:


At 09:25 PM 3/8/04, you wrote:


Blackstrap Molassas has 660mg/tbs.  I take 2-3 tbs/day in juice with a
few other supplements.  Commnent?



   Sounds like a genius idea.   Readily available, economical, and 
tastes decent, after proper training of the taste buds.


   I used to make a drink of milk, blackstrap, and soy powder.   
Considering all the bad press for soy and milk, I should be dead by now.


  There must have been some valuable nutrients in all those ingredients.

  Wayne


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Re: CSdisappointed

[mamapug]

  Dear Ross,
  I read an an article in US News and World Report about this years ago. It 
suggested donating blood to lose the ferritin. It also pointed out the fact 
that women don`t match men in the levels of heart attack until after menopause, 
when they no longer lose blood naturally.
  All I know, sorry.
  I guess no one answered before because no one knew anything about it!
  CS might not help her condition, but I doubt it would hurt her. Colloidal 
silver doesn`t build up the way iron can. It certainly will keep her free of 
colds and flu, and who needs those??!!
  Good luck to her.
  Marshalee



  i have been trying to convince my sister the uses and benefits of cs, but she 
has this problem that keeps her from trying.

  i convinced her to subscribe to the list and ask her question.

  she did, and received no reply and has already unsubscribed.

  her question was; is cs safe for one who has been confirmed to have HH 
(hemochromotosis).

  it is a defect in 2 genes that cause the inhibition of iron elimination from 
the body, resulting in myriad disorders relating to the breakdown of organs due 
to buildup in cells of toxic iron levels...

  is there no one here with such expertise?

  thank you,

  ross craig


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Re: CSPotassium - Debunking this very irresponsible series of articles

[Marshall Dudley]

Styrofoam is a brand name for a foamed polystyrene.

Marshall

Jonathan B. Britten wrote:

 Ian,

 Is polystyrene related to styrofoam,  the packing material?I am
 surprised to read of polystyrene having a therapeutic use.

 JBB

 On Tuesday, Mar 9, 2004, at 08:46 Asia/Tokyo, Ian_Ontario wrote:

  Hi Mike:
 
  Potassium is integral in the function of cells, especially muscular
  contraction, [which includes the heart] and the range for normal
  levels is
  much narrower than for sodium or chloride.  For K+ it's 3.5 to 5.5
  mmol / L.
  Normally functioning kidnies maintain these levels by excreting or
  retaining
  it.  Persons with metabolic disorders, diabetis, dehydration, diarrhea,
  vomitting, acidosis, alkalosis, renal disease and persons who take RX
  drugs
  can experience levels outside the normal range. Blood levels also rise
  if
  there has been a lot of tissue destruction where the cell walls break
  down.
  K+ us usually, for the most part kept inside of cells and Na is kept
  outside.  When cell walls break down the K+ gets out.  I know that in
  the
  hospital, as soon as someone is at 3.3 or less, they prescribe oral or
  IV
  potassium especially if they are on potassium wasting diruetics like
  furosemide.  Anything above 6 to 6.3 and they start giving polystyrene
  orally or rectally to bind potassium and take it out of the body.  So
  as
  soon as you get 2 to 6 points outside the range, it can become a
  serious
  concern.
 
  Electrolytes are routinely tested as part of any blood work drawn on
  any
  visit to the ER or family practitioner if the patient complains of any
  malady.  It's like looking both ways before you walk across the street.
 
  Hope this helps a little.
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CSPotassium - Debunking this very irresponsible series of
  articles
 
 
  Garnet writes:
  I reread this section and he does in fact state that his electrolytes
  were never checked to check for a potassium deficiency. This to me
  means they were indeed checked and he perceived that the doctors were
  not looking to see if the potassium levels were low. This is too
  absurd
  to entertain as it is one of the MOST basic parameters in a blood
  panel
  besides the cell counts, it is a known indicator of poor cardiac
  function and any doctor, even the worst is going to look at the easy
  indicators. And asking the author would not reveal the intentions of
  his
  physicians. That is something only the physician would know.
 
  Do I remember right that part of his thesis is that the levels of
  potassium that medicine and science accept as the standard for
  normalcy are in fact much lower than they would be if people were
  getting the appropriate amount in their diets?
 
  If you know this, ma'am, could you tell me what would happen if a
  person consumed considerably more potassium and less sodium than the
  average person? Would their blood electrolyte levels change
  significantly? Or does the body control these levels tightly?
 
  Mike D.
 
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Re: CSVirus hoaxes

[Stuff]

Symantec Security Response uncovers hoaxes on a regular basis. These 
hoaxes usually arrive in the form of an email. Please disregard the hoax 
emails - they contain bogus warnings usually intent only on frightening or 
misleading users. The best course of action is to merely delete these hoax 
emails. Please refer to this page whenever you receive what appears to be a 
bogus message regarding a new virus, or promotion that sounds too good to 
be true. 


You will note WTC Survivor near the bottom of this virus hoax page:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html

stuff

At 09:40 AM 3/9/2004 -0500, you wrote:

I know nothing about this, but.




Just in caseI thought I would pass this on!






READ ASAP




 Very Important


During the next several weeks be VERY cautious about opening or
launching any e-mails that refer to the World Trade Center or 9/11 in
any way, regardless of who sent it. PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL YOUR
FRIENDS AND FAMILY. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, WTC STANDS FOR THE
WORLD TRADE CENTER. REALLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL OPEN IT
RIGHT AWAY, THINKING ITS A STORY RELATING TO 9/11!

BI TROUBLE  DO NOT OPEN WTC Survivor It is a virus that
will erase your whole C drive.. It will come to you in the form of
an E-Mail from a familiar person. I repeat, a friend sent it to me,
but called and warned me before I opened it. He was not so lucky and
now he can't even start his computer!

Forward this to everyone in your address book. I would rather
receive this 25 times than not at all. So, if you receive an email
called WTC Survivor, do not open it. Delete it right away! This
virus removes all dynamic link libraries (.dll files) from your
computer.




PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE!



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Re: CSPotassium article, with a question for Richard

[Jan Stoeten]

Comment: NOT if you have a yeast infection

All the best,
Jan Stoeten, the Netherlands
888

- Original Message - 
From: Bill Brainerd wbrain...@socal.rr.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 4:25 AM
Subject: RE: CSPotassium article, with a question for Richard


 Blackstrap Molassas has 660mg/tbs.  I take 2-3 tbs/day in juice with a
 few other supplements.  Commnent?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:ne...@bestweb.net] 
 Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 2:01 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSPotassium article, with a question for Richard
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Wayne Fugitt wfug...@direcway.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:40 PM
 Subject: CSPotassium article, with a question for Richard
 
 
  Evening Nenah,
 
  I don't know what is stripping our subjects.  I though it was only my 
  messages, then I saw several more.
 
 Hi Wayne.
 I KNOW I put subject lines on my email messages. I don't know either why
 they were stripped.
 
  To beat the FDA, I have a liquid whereas I can get more than 99 mg at 
  one
 shot.
  Many days I get 1000 mg before noon.  After that, I don't worry about 
  it.
 
  My goal for potassium intake is 2000 to 3000 mg per day.
 
 Wayne, what is your source for liquid Potassium? And how much is it?
 
 Thanks.
 Nenah
 
 
 
 
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CSRheumatic fever recurrence. A cure?

[Stuff]

My wife recently had a recurrent bout with rheumatic fever, using only her 
own judgment

and without blood tests. I assume she knew the symptoms as she's had the
recurrence 3 times before.

After 3 days of drinking 1 liter of CS a day, mixed with about 1/3rd 
Gatorade, and two

more days of half liter doses of the same, the symptoms disappeared.

Is it still in remission or gone?

We'll see, but at least this recurrence was a quick and inexpensive fixif
that is what she had.

All of the above took place about a month ago and she's still symptom free.

stuff


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Re: CS

[Ian_Ontario]

See
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wtc.survivor.hoaxhtml
  - Original Message - 
  From: David S Osborne 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:40 AM
  Subject: CS


  I know nothing about this, but.






Just in caseI thought I would pass this on!





READ ASAP




   Very Important 


  During the next several weeks be VERY cautious about opening or 
  launching any e-mails that refer to the World Trade Center or 9/11 in 
  any way, regardless of who sent it. PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL YOUR 
  FRIENDS AND FAMILY. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, WTC STANDS FOR THE 
  WORLD TRADE CENTER. REALLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL OPEN IT 
  RIGHT AWAY, THINKING ITS A STORY RELATING TO 9/11! 

  BI TROUBLE  DO NOT OPEN WTC Survivor It is a virus that 
  will erase your whole C drive.. It will come to you in the form of 
  an E-Mail from a familiar person. I repeat, a friend sent it to me, 
  but called and warned me before I opened it. He was not so lucky and 
  now he can't even start his computer! 

  Forward this to everyone in your address book. I would rather 
  receive this 25 times than not at all. So, if you receive an email 
  called WTC Survivor, do not open it. Delete it right away! This 
  virus removes all dynamic link libraries (.dll files) from your 
  computer. 




  PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE! 

Re: CSPotassium - Debunking this very irresponsible series of articles

[Ian_Ontario]

  Generic Name Kayexalate
  Indications Hyperkalemia.
  Dose 0.5-1 gm/kg/dose, made into a slurry with sorbitol, given as
retention enema at body temperature q 6 hours. Can also be given PO if
infant is tolerating feedings. Suspensions of this drug should be freshly
made and not stored beyond 24 hours.
  Other measures that should also be considered: remove K from IV, IV
sodium bicarb, IV glucose  insulin, IV calcium gluconate, hyperventilation,
exchange transfusion with freshly washed PRBC  FFP, hemodialysis,
peritoneal dialysis.

  Route PO, PR
  Action Kayexalate is a finely ground, powdered form of sodium
polystyrene sulfonate, a cation-exchange resin prepared in the sodium phase,
with an in-vivo exchange capacity of approximately 1 meq of potassium per
gram of resin.
  Toxicity Since effective lowering of serum potassium may take hours to
days, treatment with this drug alone may be insufficient to rapidly correct
severe hyperkalemia associated with states of rapid tissue breakdown or
hyperkalemia so marked as to constitute a medical emergency. Therefore,
other definitive measures such as dialysis should always be considered.
  Serious potassium deficiency can occur from Kayexalate therapy. Close
monitoring of serum electrolytes is imperative. Electrocardiographically,
hypokalemia is often associated with lengthened Q-T interval, widening 
flattening and/or inversion of T-waves, and prominent U-waves. Also, cardiac
arrhythmias may occur, such as premature atrial, nodal, and ventricular
contractions, and supraventricular and ventricular tachycardias. The toxic
effects of digoxin are likely to be exaggerated.

  Like all cation exchange resins, Kayexalate is not totally selective
for potassium in its actions, and small amounts of other cations such as
magnesium and calcium may be lost during treatment.

  Kayexalate contains approximately 100 mg (4.1 meq) of sodium per gram
of resin. In patients who cannot tolerate even a small increase in sodium
load (i.e. severe congestive heart failure, hypertension, or marked edema)
compensatory restriction of sodium intake from other sources may be
indicated.

  References NICU Drug Handbook, p. 165, 1991.
  Gomella, Neonatology, p. 480, 1992.

- Original Message - 
From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: CSPotassium - Debunking this very irresponsible series of
articles


 Ian,

 Is polystyrene related to styrofoam,  the packing material?I am
 surprised to read of polystyrene having a therapeutic use.


 JBB



 On Tuesday, Mar 9, 2004, at 08:46 Asia/Tokyo, Ian_Ontario wrote:

  Hi Mike:
 
  Potassium is integral in the function of cells, especially muscular
  contraction, [which includes the heart] and the range for normal
  levels is
  much narrower than for sodium or chloride.  For K+ it's 3.5 to 5.5
  mmol / L.
  Normally functioning kidnies maintain these levels by excreting or
  retaining
  it.  Persons with metabolic disorders, diabetis, dehydration, diarrhea,
  vomitting, acidosis, alkalosis, renal disease and persons who take RX
  drugs
  can experience levels outside the normal range. Blood levels also rise
  if
  there has been a lot of tissue destruction where the cell walls break
  down.
  K+ us usually, for the most part kept inside of cells and Na is kept
  outside.  When cell walls break down the K+ gets out.  I know that in
  the
  hospital, as soon as someone is at 3.3 or less, they prescribe oral or
  IV
  potassium especially if they are on potassium wasting diruetics like
  furosemide.  Anything above 6 to 6.3 and they start giving polystyrene
  orally or rectally to bind potassium and take it out of the body.  So
  as
  soon as you get 2 to 6 points outside the range, it can become a
  serious
  concern.
 
  Electrolytes are routinely tested as part of any blood work drawn on
  any
  visit to the ER or family practitioner if the patient complains of any
  malady.  It's like looking both ways before you walk across the street.
 
  Hope this helps a little.
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CSPotassium - Debunking this very irresponsible series of
  articles
 
 
  Garnet writes:
  I reread this section and he does in fact state that his electrolytes
  were never checked to check for a potassium deficiency. This to me
  means they were indeed checked and he perceived that the doctors were
  not looking to see if the potassium levels were low. This is too
  absurd
  to entertain as it is one of the MOST basic parameters in a blood
  panel
  besides the cell counts, it is a known indicator of poor cardiac
  function and any doctor, even the worst is going to look at the easy
  indicators. And asking the author would not reveal the intentions of
  his
  physicians. That is 

CSNasal spray bottles

[Medwith, Robert]

I never heard any thing more about buying them
 
 Bob

CSThe WTC Survivor virus is a hoax

[patriot2000]

The WTF virus alert is a hoax. Snopes tells it like it is at their
website,
http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/wtc.htm
Before passing on virus warnings, pleas for help, urban legends, etc., it
is a good idea to check out your e-mail at
www.snopes.com or
hoaxbusters, or one of the other sites that help us be
accurate. Here is what Snopes says about WTC:  
Virus
name: WTC Survivor

Origins:
Quick on the heels of the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World
Trade Center came the WTC Survivor virus hoax. This one was a
hoax from the very beginning; there was never a rash of disabled
computers or deleted DLL files caused by e-mail messages bearing the
title WTC Survivor. Nevertheless, this hoax continues to
circulate with increasing frequency as the calendar approaches September
11 every year, making a comeback in 2002 and again in 2003. 
Status:
Hoax.

Examples:
[Collected on the Internet,
2001] 



(FOR THOSE THAT DONT KNOW,
WTC STANDS FOR THE WORLD TRADE CENTER..WHICH MAKES THIS
VIRUS REALLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL OPEN IT RIGHT
AWAY.THINKING ITS A STORY RELATING TO 9/11.PLEASE BE
CAREFUL... :) 

BI TROUBLE  DO NOT OPEN WTC Survivor It is a
virus that will erase your whole C drive. It will come to you
in the form of an E-Mail from a familiar person. I repeat a friend sent
it to me, but called and warned me before I opened it. He was not so
lucky and now he can't even start his computer! Forward this to everyone
in your address book. I would rather receive this 25 times than not at
all. 

If you receive an email called WTC Survivor do not open
it. Delete it right away! This virus removes all dynamic link libraries
(.dll files) from your computer. This is a serious one. 



During the next several weeks be VERY cautious about opening or
launching any e-mails that refer to the World Trade Center or 9/11 in any
way, regardless of who sent it. PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND
FAMILY. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, WTC STANDS FOR THE WORLD
TRADE CENTER. REALLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL OPEN IT RIGHT AWAY,
THINKING ITS A STORY RELATING TO 9/11! 

BI TROUBLE  DO NOT OPEN WTC Survivor It is a
virus that will erase your whole C drive. It will come to you
in the form of an E-Mail from a familiar person. I repeat, a friend sent
it to me, but called and warned me before I opened it. He was not so
lucky and now he can't even start his computer! 

So, if you receive an email called WTC Survivor, do not
open it. Delete it right away! This virus removes all dynamic link
libraries (.dll files) from your computer. 






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Re: CSPrimary biliary cirrhosis

[twll]

Hulda Clark has imformation that might help.
Also check out this website  curezone.com
- Original Message - 
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:58 PM
Subject: CSPrimary biliary cirrhosis


 A friend writes to me:
  I have been placed by the Mayo Clinic on the national waiting list for
  a liver transplant. For many years I have had a condition called
  primary biliary cirrhosis.  
 
  It is considered an auto immune disease which destroys the bile ducts.
  While I have been on medication (a bile salt called Urso) since 1991
  the symptoms were slowed but eventually the liver is damaged enough to
  fail and require transplant.  That is the stage at which I am now. 
  One of the major side effects (besides liver failure) is fatigue, plus
  jaundice and just an overall inability to do much, even think clearly
  some days.  
 
 Does anyone here have any thoughts or suggestions on effective 
 therapies for this condition?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Mike D.
 
 [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
 [mdev...@eskimo.com]
 [Speaking only for myself...   ]
 
 
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RE: CSPrimary biliary cirrhosis

[TJ Garland]

Mike -go to www.herbdoc.com and read testimonials about the liver cleanse. 
Costs ~$40 and will definitely help.




TJ Garland, CMO supplier
  there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.






From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSPrimary biliary cirrhosis
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 15:58:35 -5

A friend writes to me:
 I have been placed by the Mayo Clinic on the national waiting list for
 a liver transplant. For many years I have had a condition called
 primary biliary cirrhosis.

 It is considered an auto immune disease which destroys the bile ducts.
 While I have been on medication (a bile salt called Urso) since 1991
 the symptoms were slowed but eventually the liver is damaged enough to
 fail and require transplant.  That is the stage at which I am now.
 One of the major side effects (besides liver failure) is fatigue, plus
 jaundice and just an overall inability to do much, even think clearly
 some days.

Does anyone here have any thoughts or suggestions on effective
therapies for this condition?

Thanks!

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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CSSilver values

[Jonathan B. Britten]

List,

Some discussion of silver investments has come up recently.  I read 
today an interview in which a noted analyst pointed out the following:


In 1980 you could buy the average family house for 1,500 oz. of silver.

Today it would take 40,000 oz. of silver.

There are a number of ways of looking at this, of course,  but it 
suggests that the price of silver is very low relative to another 
real standard of value.   NB the value of real estate is relatively 
low in relation to stocks.It does lend some credibility to one 
silver bull's argument that silver prices are artificially low due to 
various manipulations of the price.





JBB



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Re: CSPrimary biliary cirrhosis

[Ian_Ontario]

Well, It's my understanding that CMO taken orally is effective  in
retraining the immune system not to attack the body i.e autoimmune
disorders.

Ian


- Original Message - 
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:58 PM
Subject: CSPrimary biliary cirrhosis


 A friend writes to me:
  I have been placed by the Mayo Clinic on the national waiting list for
  a liver transplant. For many years I have had a condition called
  primary biliary cirrhosis.

  It is considered an auto immune disease which destroys the bile ducts.
  While I have been on medication (a bile salt called Urso) since 1991
  the symptoms were slowed but eventually the liver is damaged enough to
  fail and require transplant.  That is the stage at which I am now.
  One of the major side effects (besides liver failure) is fatigue, plus
  jaundice and just an overall inability to do much, even think clearly
  some days.

 Does anyone here have any thoughts or suggestions on effective
 therapies for this condition?

 Thanks!

 Mike D.

 [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
 [mdev...@eskimo.com]
 [Speaking only for myself...   ]


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CSOregano Oils

[Jonathan B. Britten]

List,


Some members will be interested in the following, from Butch Owen of 
Anatolian Treasures,  r.e. oregano oil, which is almost certainly a 
good product to keep on hand next to one's silver generator.   Here 
goes:


JBB





I'll point out the major differences in Origanums again .. below.  
Keep in mind that the Origanum dubium Linalool shares many of the 
therapeutic properties of Lavandula angustifolia and still contains a 
fair amount of Carvacrol.  Carvacrol is a wondrous and very special 
chemical .. I have dozens and dozens of scientific studies on its 
effectiveness .. its perhaps the best researched EO in existence.


 - - - - - - - - - - - FACTS ON THE ORIGANUMS - - - - - - - - - -

All of the Origanums except the Origanum dubium Linalool Type are
carvacrol-rich and carvacrol is the active therapeutic component
people seek.  Higher carvacrol aromatic plants are more expensive
to purchase.  We have some plants that will produce oils with
carvacrol levels over 80%. This simply means you get more bang
for the buck when mixing it with olive oil or whatever.  You use
less oil to get the same results.

Origanum dubium (Linalool type) is in its own class .. a very nice
odor and dual therapeutic value.  It's high in linalool, as is
lavender, and high in carvacrol, as is oregano.  It has healing
properties of oregano and lavender .. so much so that the common
name in Turkey is Lavanta Kekik (Lavender Oregano.)  It's endemic
to Turkey - not found elsewhere and even here it's only found in
a very small corner of the Southeast.  When people get samples of
it from us, they buy it.  I normally use it for inhalation and it
is great for diffusion - I love the odor.

Origanum vulgare is the best seller.  Maybe people associate the
name and the fact that there is one company making some fairly
sound health claims and selling it as Oil of Oregano in a 10%
Oregano/90% Olive Oil mixture for as much as $29.95 per 2/3 ounce
bottle.  So people see mine as being less costly.  With mine, one
can mix their own and create a dozen bottles of the $29.95 product
for less than half the price.

Origanum onites has been the next best seller and that might be
due to some things I've written on it and a portion of the lecture I
gave at an AT Conference in Toronto, Canada in September 1999.  I
presented research conducted by five prominent professors in
Turkey using Origanum onites in a project involving lung tumors in 
rats,

using three different groups and three treatments, one of them being
normal cancer treatments. I presented the study, showed the audience
colored micro slides of the lung tissues.  The Origanum onites not
only stopped the growth but also caused recession of the growths!
The lung tissue was reverting to its previously normal pink and
clear state!!  I made it clear that this is not an indication that
it will cure cancer in humans but it shows a great need for
further research and such research is ongoing.

Origanum dubium is the next best seller, possibly because it
appears to have a lighter odor than the others.   Turks generally
prefer it for home medication.

I prefer Origanum vulgare, Origanum onites and Origanum dubium for
kicking Big Bad Bug Butts but I do not make recommendations to others
on ingestion of essential oils. I recommend buyers consult their 
doctor

prior to this manner of usage.

So - one can choose based on the above descriptions of each oil.
For colds and flu, I use the onites, vulgare or dubium.   For
diffusion any one will do the job but just for inhalation, I'd go
with the O. dubium (Linalool type) because I love the odor.  All
have proven antiseptic, antimicrobial, antifungal, anti-spasmodic
properties and they are believed to be capable of stimulating the
immune system




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CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #240

[Charles Sutton]

Thanks, I added the hoax email address to my list.  Will let them check them
out in the future..

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From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:16 PM
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2004 #240



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Re: CS

[Charles Sutton]

Thanks for the update.I just found 13 worms that track my keystrokes and 
found a program to identify and delete them.   Just made me nervous...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ian_Ontario 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:16 PM
  Subject: Re: CS


  See
  http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wtc.survivor.hoax.html
- Original Message - 
From: David S Osborne 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:40 AM
Subject: CS


I know nothing about this, but.






  Just in caseI thought I would pass this on!





  READ ASAP




 Very Important 


During the next several weeks be VERY cautious about opening or 
launching any e-mails that refer to the World Trade Center or 9/11 in 
any way, regardless of who sent it. PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL YOUR 
FRIENDS AND FAMILY. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, WTC STANDS FOR THE 
WORLD TRADE CENTER. REALLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL OPEN IT 
RIGHT AWAY, THINKING ITS A STORY RELATING TO 9/11! 

BI TROUBLE  DO NOT OPEN WTC Survivor It is a virus that 
will erase your whole C drive.. It will come to you in the form of 
an E-Mail from a familiar person. I repeat, a friend sent it to me, 
but called and warned me before I opened it. He was not so lucky and 
now he can't even start his computer! 

Forward this to everyone in your address book. I would rather 
receive this 25 times than not at all. So, if you receive an email 
called WTC Survivor, do not open it. Delete it right away! This 
virus removes all dynamic link libraries (.dll files) from your 
computer. 




PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE! 

CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #241

[Charles Sutton]

I just had a bout of Supra Ventricular Tachycardia, am I to understand this
could have been caused, or aggravated by Potassium deficiency??

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To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:34 PM
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2004 #241



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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #241

[twll]

Hulda Clark claims a lot of irregular heartbeat is caused from
Heartworms.Yes.The kind in dogs.Try building a
Zapper or buying one.She has the plans in
The Cure For All  Deseases.
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com; silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:12 PM
Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #241


 I just had a bout of Supra Ventricular Tachycardia, am I to understand
this
 could have been caused, or aggravated by Potassium deficiency??

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 From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:34 PM
 Subject: silver-digest Digest V2004 #241



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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #241

[Garnet]

You can be tested for Heartworms with a simple blood test. Advanced
cases also demonstrate coughing and exercise intolerance. Of course
these are symptoms of many other conditions as well.


On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 22:40, twll wrote:
 Hulda Clark claims a lot of irregular heartbeat is caused from
 Heartworms.Yes.The kind in dogs.Try building a
 Zapper or buying one.She has the plans in
 The Cure For All  Deseases.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com; silver-dig...@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:12 PM
 Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #241
 
 
  I just had a bout of Supra Ventricular Tachycardia, am I to understand
 this
  could have been caused, or aggravated by Potassium deficiency??
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
  To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:34 PM
  Subject: silver-digest Digest V2004 #241
 
 
 
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CSNewbie with rectal cancer

[K Ott]

Hi,
I have rectal cancer, am new to the list and need a crash course.  A friend of 
mine told me that Colloidal Silver might be of help.  Does anyone have any 
Colloidal Silver/Cancer testimonials?
How much CS do I need to take per day?  Which machine is best for home use?  
Can I use my tap water to make CS?  
 
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Kathy
 

Re: CSNewbie with rectal cancer

[d.linen]

K Ott wrote:


Hi,
I have rectal cancer, am new to the list and need a crash course. 
A friend of mine told me that Colloidal Silver might be of help.  Does 
anyone have any Colloidal Silver/Cancer testimonials?
How much CS do I need to take per day?  Which machine is best for home 
use?  Can I use my tap water to make CS? 
 
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks,

Kathy
 


Kathy,

No to the tap water. It must be distilled water. You might look into the 
Budwig diet. It is composed of flaxseed oil and cottage cheese.


http://home.online.no/~dusan/diseases/cancer/cancer_dr_budwig.html

http://www.curezone.com/foods/flaxseed_oil.asp

Lots of people have found results with the Budwig diet.

DL





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Re: CSNewbie with rectal cancer

[Heidrun Beer]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:08:05 -0800 (PST), K Ott wrote in
20040310050805.31732.qm...@web80006.mail.yahoo.com:

Hi,
I have rectal cancer, am new to the list and need a crash course.  A friend of 
mine told me that Colloidal Silver might be of help.  Does anyone have any 
Colloidal Silver/Cancer testimonials?
How much CS do I need to take per day?  Which machine is best for home use?  
Can I use my tap water to make CS?  
 
Any information would be greatly appreciated.



Do a web search on Hulda Clark. She has a cancer theory that has great 
logic and extensive advice on how to get rid of it.

My husband's lung cancer was cured using the procedures in her books. 
I hope it helps you too.





Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
http://www.sgmt.at


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