Re: CS OT PARASITES
I was once conned out of $7,800. That's not counting the nickles and dimes..$5 here, $500 there. Instead of getting mad, I started hanging out with that guy. Then I found more con artists and hung out with them. [New Agers, mostly] It had become very clear that I needed to learn a few things...mostly about myself. Why was I such a good 'mark'? Expensive, but very valuable lessons. I discovered that some of the closest people in my life were con artists. Many of them are still in my life, still friendlies, some aren't..but they don't con me any more. I know what they're doing and still sometimes go along. Con people aren't always evil. Most aren't at all happy. Some believe their own con game or just can't see it themselves. A few are trying to force you into loving them. They feel that no one could..just do it. Emotional vampires who don't know any other way. I 'could be' very rich and have groupies. I know how. ode At 05:25 PM 8/22/2004 -0500, you wrote: Rip off artists are every where in life. I don't know how anyone can get to adulthood without some awareness that one must be diligent in checking out any and all instances where there could be a conflict of interest. I therefore believe that those who get ripped off by these types of obvious phonies without making some attempt to confirm the information or the practitioner as valid are acting out an emotional agenda of one sort or another. Life is for learning and pain is often the messenger, the pain of being conned for instance. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Ode Coyote wrote: I think I have this straight but check me on it. Silver hydroxide..a white stable insoluble powder ...a compound. Silver hydroxl...an association of water with silver ions..in essence, that hydrated or 'dissolved' ionic silver..not quite a compound ..a charge influence rather than an electron sharing? Last I heard silver oxide isn't all that soluable in water and is most often black in color...[looking] Oh golly, mounting complexities.. My CRC handbook show silver oxide AgO to have a solubility of 0.0013 grams per 100 cc. Not real soluble, but much more so than AgCl. which is listed as 0.8 grams per 100 cc of cold water. It shows silver oxide to have a solubility of 0.0053 grams per 100 cc in hot water. From Van Nostrands Scientific encyclopedia: Silver [1] oxide, the normal oxide of silver, Ag2O Made by action of Oxygen under pressure on silver at 300 deg C, or by precipitation of a silver salt with carbonate free alkali metal hydroxide. [soluable] Now that is odd. My CRC handbook shows silver oxide to be AgO, and I can't even find an Ag2O in that reference. Silver [11] oxide, AgO is formed when ozone reacts with silver and thus was once considered to be a peroxide. [slightly soluable] Most distilled water is ozonated What forms do Oxygen take on that anode? What does Hydrogen Peroxide do to ozone and silver peroxides? I have made deep brownish yellow CS in fresh commercial distilled that didn't do the same thing after that water had been allowed to vent..gas bubbles formed on sides of jug. Oxygen is monoatomic when it initially is deposited on the anode. So is the oxygen from ozone. So I suspect that this is the one formed initially on the anode, but I believe that it quickly gets another oxygen making it AgO2 or Ago3, both referred to as silver peroxide, and both black and insoluble. Silver [111] oxide, Ag2O3 has been obtained in impure state by anodic oxidation of silver. [Color/ is or isn't soluable???..no info. ] OK, that supports what I just said above. Then other mentions of Ag3O4 [in German] as an 'Elektrokristallisation' and a few vague references in plasma sciences [Google] A silver [] oxide? Can't find soluability or colors. Insoluble and grey or black, CRC handbook. Uh oh... 'Science' also has a cross mix of names. No wonder this is confusing. http://www.webelements.com ### silver (I, III) oxide * Formula as commonly written: AgO * Hill system formula: Ag1O1 * CAS registry number: [1301-96-8] * Formula weight: 123.868 * Class: oxide Synonyms * silver (I, III) oxide * silver oxide * argentic oxide * Dirasil * silver peroxide Physical properties * Colour: charcoal gray powder CRC indicates it is brown, not gray. Since the cathode of EIS turns brown, I suspect that the brown is correct. black crystal Grayson 1983 Windholz 1983 * Appearance: crystalline solid * Melting point: 100°C (decomposes to Ag and oxygen gas) solubility/water @20C decomposes in water Windholz 1983 ### silver (I) oxide * Formula as commonly written: Ag2O * Hill system formula: Ag2O1 * CAS registry number: [20667-12-3] * Formula weight: 231.736 * Class: oxide Synonyms * silver (I) oxide * silver oxide * disilver oxide Physical properties * Colour: black to brown black Yes, I agree, brown, at least in the form we see it. * Appearance: crystalline solid * Melting point: 460°C (under 1 atmosphere oxygen) solubility/water @25C 22 mg/L Grayson 1983 Some might find this interesting. Not quite our conditions. [examples] After the electrolysis has continued for a short time, it may be interesting to disconnect the power source and connect the electrodes with a short-circuit. The original anode becomes a cathode, and it is possible to watch partial reversal of the original electrolytic reactions. Yes, initially you get silver hydroxide on the cathode, and silver oxide on the anode (but after a while they become silver oxide and silver peroxide). If reversal takes place without taking too long, they will both revert back to water. That is why HVAC produces absolutely no peroxide, oxide or peroxide on the electrodes. We are making progress! Marshall It is clear that the oxidation of Ag(I) to Ag(III) occurs more easily than oxidation of hydroxide to oxygen under the conditions provided. http://chem.lapeer.org/chem2docs/silver.html OK, that's enough. I've boggled my little mind. Ode ### At 05:18 PM 8/20/2004 -0400, you wrote: Mike Monett wrote: So the basic conclusions remain as before. The black stuff is oxide. Scrape off a small amount of the black stuff, and put it in a glass of distilled water and warm. If it dissolves slowly, it is silver oxide, if it does not then it is either silver peroxide, or finely
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
I simply had not done the experiments to determine what happens to metallic silver yet, and my blasted laser died so I was unable to monitor tyndall. Wierd, use to be able to get lasers everywhere, now I can't find one anuywhere. I also am striking out on finding dextrose aka glucose in a pure form. See a later post on how metallic silver reacts to H2O2, it initially disolves any silver oxide on the metal, then turns the metallic into silver oxide slowly as it turns out. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: What happened to pure metallic silver suspended particles? Why only dissolved silver oxide? Ode At 11:23 PM 8/20/2004 -0400, you wrote: OK, I just ran a test. I started with 5 ppm EIS, approximately 80% ionic. I put equal amounts into to containers, and added a few drops of H2O2 to one of them. I could see no difference between, they were both crystal clear. I then added a pinch of salt to both. The one without H2O2 immediately formed AgCl and turned milky. The one that had had H2O2 added to it stayed crystal clear. I can think of only 2 possibilities for this: 1. Silver ions were reduced to a colloid of silver atoms. 2. Silver ions became silver oxide, and it dissolved. But the second one would only be possible if silver oxide when mixed with NaCl does not become silver chloride. I think that mixing silver oxide dissolved in water with NaCl will become silver chloride, but I am not sure. Any chemists here that know the answer to that one? If the second one is disproved, than it appears that H2O2 will reduce silver ions to silver atoms. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Hard to say. It appears from the little research I have done that silver oxide will not do this. So I guess the question would be if the NaCl in Gatorade will react with the ions faster than the glucose will, thus producing Silver Chloride, instead of metallic metal. But you do have a point here, if even 20% of the ions got converted, that could double the effectiveness. This should be fairly easy to test, simply put salt in some EIS, and put some liquid with both salt and glucose in it. Also there is citric acid in Gatorade I believe, and if so, that would produce silver citrate as well, so it could be more complicated than that. Marshall George wrote: This could explain the effectiveness of Brooks' Gatorade Factor... George On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:34:11 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: OK, I have confirmed that converting silver chloride to silver oxide is exothermic, which means that the silver oxide is more stable. Thus possibility 2 of the previous message is not eliminated as I had hoped it would be. See http://www.finishing.com/195/29.html This article also gives some extremely interesting information. Dextrose will reduce silver oxide to silver metal! Honey is about 50% dextrose (aka glucose), so that may be why some people feel that adding a drop of honey when making CS is a good idea, it converts any silver oxide formed to silver particles. So, according to this, one should be able to convert all the silver ions in EIS to silver atoms and silver particles by adding H2O2, and if that gives AgO, adding a little glucose, or honey. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
I also am striking out on finding dextrose aka glucose in a pure form. Have you checked diabetic supplies? Diabetics use pure glucose for insulin shock treatment. Redhead (newbie lurker)
Re: CSRe: CS: Marshall's H2O2 Experiments
Mike Monett wrote: CS From: Marshall Dudley Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:32:29 Still got experiments to run, but this is starting to make some sense now. Marshall 1. Silver oxide produces the yellow tint in cs, and adding H2O2 produces a clear solution. If the H2O2 generated silver oxide as you propose, the solution should become a darker yellow, don't you think? Here's an equation that may be useful: Why do you say that silver oxide makes the yellow tint? Yesterday I had a saturated solution of silver oxide, and it appeared crystal clear. I will test again, but I don't think silver oxide dissolved in water has a yellow tint, it is does, it is certainly very light. The yellow tint is caused by particle size. This was proven over 100 years ago, and all tests since then confirm it. If it was silver oxide, how can you explain that it goes to gold, then orange, then red as the particles increase in size? Ag2O + H2O2 = 2Ag(+) + O2 + H2O http://butler.cc.tut.fi/~penningt/thesis/9701635/ppt/29/tsld018.htm That is impossible. AG+ can only be formed two ways, first by EIS with nothing but pure water, and second by being part of a compound, you have to have an anion and cation to get Ag+. I am not sure why you gave me the above url, that supports me. Ag + H2O2 - AgO + H2O and Ag2O + H2O2 - Ag2 + H2O. But it does not deal with AgO at all, so I am still trying to confirm if AgO + H2O2 give Ag + H2O or not. I may have this proven one way or the other experimentally shortly. You have taken that site that gives the correct reaction for Ag2O of : Ag2O + H2O2 = 2 Ag + O2 + H2O which shows it produces silver atoms, or a silver particle of 2 atoms and changed it to: Ag2O + H2O2 = 2Ag(+) + O2 + H2O which shows it generating ions, which would not be possible without another element to combine with it. Why did you do that, are you trying to confuse the issue? It's not clear that you have established adding H2O2 to cs produces silver oxide. You need to show the equations that support this, and why it happens instead of the H2O2 breaking the oxide into ions. I already did. 2. It's not clear you have established silver oxide is soluble up to 13 ppm. Uhh, you don't have to prove everything, you can use well known references for that, and I cited the reference that is in. CRC handbook of Chemistry and Physics. I did prove that it is soluble to some extent and then saturates at a fairly low level, just did not measure the silver content to verify it was at 13 ppm. First, that is probably a figure taken from some chemistry book. There are many different types of silver oxide, and it's not clear they are talking about the same ones we are dealing with. There are only two compounds that are referred to as silver oxide, Ag2O and AgO. I have repeatedly indicated I am talking about AgO. AgO2 and AgO3 are both referred to as silver peroxide, one one could call them silver dioxide and silver trioxide to differentiate them. Anyway, if the soft black stuff that forms on the electrodes at high current density is soluble, why does it remain on the electrodes? I never said the black was soluble, I said the brown stuff was slightly soluble, because it is. I verified that yesterday when I put it in a cup of fresh hot distilled water. I said the black is silver peroxide and is totally insoluble. I think there is some more work to do in these areas. But it helps to base your conclusions on all the relevant facts, generate the relevant equations, then go from there. That is what I am doing, you seem to be the one twisting the facts. Also, it helps to generate a descriptive topic name that relates to the post. I hope you don't mind that I did this for you. But change it to suit yourself if you wish. I think that experiments with CS, H2O2, NaCl and ammonia is plenty descriptive. Marshall Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWarning to experimenters - Explosive silver
I did not realize it the other day, but when I mixed ammonia with the silver oxide, I produced a high explosive, fulminating silver accoring to this. Anyone repeating these experiments should pour the fulminate down the drain while wet, do not allow to dry! It is a contact high explosive. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=red%20silver Fulminating silver. (Chem.) (a) A black crystalline substance, Ag2O.(NH3)2, obtained by dissolving silver oxide in aqua ammonia. When dry it explodes violently on the slightest percussion. (b) Silver fulminate, a white crystalline substance, Ag2C2N2O2, obtained by adding alcohol to a solution of silver nitrate. When dry it is violently explosive. Marshall
Re: CS OT PARASITES
I have found that there are distinctly a few 'professional' con artists. Most are as you describe Con people aren't always evil. Most aren't at all happy. Some believe their own con game or just can't see it themselves. A few are trying to force you into loving them. They feel that no one could..just do it. Emotional vampires who don't know any other way. From my point of view any vampire type of action are people who have veils on their windows of perception - some of their own making, and some sustained by interpersonal relationships, and some projected by others who disagree with our point of view, or have vested interest in not being 'caught out' and by pouring their stuff into you restrict our movement. When some of the anger is dissolved out of liver, gall bladder, or grief from lungs, large intestine, or fear from kidneys, bladder, or bitterness from heart and small intestine, or anxiety from stomach, pancreas/spleen then perceptions change. If one does not have a 'button' it cannot be pushed. Some of the need to drain others - emotionally, financially, mentally (vampirize) diminish as the dams of self protection start to drain. We hold that stuff in our organs, endocrine or body parts. Over time it can look like dis-ease/stiffness/weary. Behind the ail-ment is an illusion, a misperception of thought that was often conditioned into the body system perhaps when we were young from family, school, relatives, religion eg. the flu season, 'it runs in our family' - of course it does - before the ail-ment is the common beliefs. Dis-eased beliefs are a leak in the energy fields that only truth/clearity can repair. The body knows how. To paraphrase Garnet - Life is for learning. Pain is a messenger. Being conned is a pain/messenger. --- It only builds self responsibility if we get the message. The vampire shows us where we have energy leaks. Otherwise, loading the body with toxicity/drugs/chemo will create an illusion of wellness, but without moving the dis-eased belief it will reappear in a more virulent form the second time. The choice is covering up, self medicating, or going to the root of the cause. It's a choice relative to consciousness. Christine From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net I was once conned out of $7,800. That's not counting the nickles and dimes..$5 here, $500 there. Instead of getting mad, I started hanging out with that guy. Then I found more con artists and hung out with them. [New Agers, mostly] It had become very clear that I needed to learn a few things...mostly about myself. Why was I such a good 'mark'? Expensive, but very valuable lessons. I discovered that some of the closest people in my life were con artists. Many of them are still in my life, still friendlies, some aren't..but they don't con me any more. I know what they're doing and still sometimes go along. Con people aren't always evil. Most aren't at all happy. Some believe their own con game or just can't see it themselves. A few are trying to force you into loving them. They feel that no one could..just do it. Emotional vampires who don't know any other way. I 'could be' very rich and have groupies. I know how. ode At 05:25 PM 8/22/2004 -0500, you wrote: Rip off artists are every where in life. I don't know how anyone can get to adulthood without some awareness that one must be diligent in checking out any and all instances where there could be a conflict of interest. I therefore believe that those who get ripped off by these types of obvious phonies without making some attempt to confirm the information or the practitioner as valid are acting out an emotional agenda of one sort or another. Life is for learning and pain is often the messenger, the pain of being conned for instance. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWarning to experimenters - Explosive silver
CSWarning to experimenters - Explosive silver From: Marshall Dudley Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:45:20 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72818.html I did not realize it the other day, but when I mixed ammonia with the silver oxide, I produced a high explosive, fulminating silver accoring to this. Anyone repeating these experiments should pour the fulminate down the drain while wet, do not allow to dry! It is a contact high explosive. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=red%20silver Fulminating silver. (Chem.) (a) A black crystalline substance, Ag2O.(NH3)2, obtained by dissolving silver oxide in aqua ammonia. When dry it explodes violently on the slightest percussion. (b) Silver fulminate, a white crystalline substance, Ag2C2N2O2, obtained by adding alcohol to a solution of silver nitrate. When dry it is violently explosive. Marshall Whoopeee! Finaally we can have some fun experiments. Although I don't think a couple of micrograms of fulminating silver would do much. Maybe make a very slight pop. In the quantities we work with, an ordinary household match is much more dangerous:) Your report is slightly exaggerated, Marshall. Now you have gone and made a bunch of people who know nothing of technology very nervous. I'd be more careful about generating false fears. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS dextrose aka glucose
Have you tried STEVIA extract (made from rice maltodextrin, stevioside, and silica)? Diabetic is an body alarm system = pre cancer, etc. Pay attention now! Change diet, Balance internal pH. It's also related to a deep sorrow, a need to control, little sweetness left in life from that window of perception (illusion) , and a longing for what might have been. Change the beliefs and change the health. Develop faith and trust, and appreciate what you do have. Key: a paradox of healing - small things count greatly. However, if you need something natural to assist with hypoglycemic or hyperglycemic imbalances quickly - within 2 minutes for daily ups and downs like headaches or needing food now, or even for greater challenges like waiting for the ambulance to arrive regarding a diabetic convulsion, contact me off line. There are essential oils that can do this. I sell oils and this is OT. Christine From: Liz Pavek liz...@frontiernet.net I also am striking out on finding dextrose aka glucose in a pure form. Have you checked diabetic supplies? Diabetics use pure glucose for insulin shock treatment. Redhead (newbie lurker)
CSsilver compounds and glucose
Silver plating from fulminating silver and glucose: http://www.colorado.edu/chem/genchem/demoman/o_demo.html 1. Add 5mL 10% AgNO3 to a florence flask. 2. Add 1mL 10% NaOH. NOTE: The first two steps may be carried out immediately before lecture. (This makes silver oxide). 3. Add 15M NH3 (ammonia) until the brownish silver oxide has just dissolved. (The solution may still appear dark.) 4. Add 7mL of 1% glucose solution and swirl for a few minutes. A silver mirror will coat the inside of the flask. EQUATIONS: RCHO + 2Ag(NH3)2OH 2Ag(s) + RCOONH4+ + NH3 + H2O colloidal silver from silver oxide and glucose: http://www.sas.org/E-Bulletin/2003-10-31/chem/body.html Dissolve 2 g dextrin and 2 g sodium hydroxide in100 mL distilled or deionized water. Gradually add 1.4 g silver nitrate dissolved in a small volume of water. Initially a brown suspension of silver oxide will be formed. This muddy brown liquid will slowly change color to a reddish chocolate as the dextrin slowly reduces the oxide to colloidal silver. Eventually it assumes a deep red color showing a fine bluish reflection, particularly after it is bottled. This is due to a thin film of metallic silver being deposited on the wall of the bottle. A few mL of this silver sol will color a large volume of water. When not too dilute, its color will be a beautiful red, perfectly transparent by transmitted light, but exhibiting a slight chocolate opacity by reflected light. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS: Marshall's H2O2 Experiments
Marshall Dudley wrote: Mike Monett wrote: CS From: Marshall Dudley Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:32:29 Still got experiments to run, but this is starting to make some sense now. Marshall 1. Silver oxide produces the yellow tint in cs, and adding H2O2 produces a clear solution. If the H2O2 generated silver oxide as you propose, the solution should become a darker yellow, don't you think? Here's an equation that may be useful: Why do you say that silver oxide makes the yellow tint? Yesterday I had a saturated solution of silver oxide, and it appeared crystal clear. I will test again, but I don't think silver oxide dissolved in water has a yellow tint, it is does, it is certainly very light. The yellow tint is caused by particle size. This was proven over 100 years ago, and all tests since then confirm it. If it was silver oxide, how can you explain that it goes to gold, then orange, then red as the particles increase in size? Here's another thought you might explore: Try reducing a batch until it turns from clear to a noted color, then add back in the exact ( as well as can be determined) amount of distilled water that was removed. Now you should have a clear solution. That kind of flies in the face of the above statement that color is caused by particle size. Wouldn't the color remain if it was caused by particle size? Adding water would change the concentration, not the particle size. I use a well cleaned coffee carafe on a coffee maker hotplate and never let it get below half full. I can go to a deep honey brown and bring it back to clear. I've done it a couple of times just to experiment. I use the concentrate to make a gel or mix with aloe for topical use. It doesn't plate out in a reasonable time ( couple of weeks) until I use it. I have no idea how many ppm I have but I actually get a slight buzz when I drink some. I don't know how they made their determination 100 years ago but they didn't have Mr. coffee to work with. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMold, Chlorine Bleach and Vellux Blankets
Spider plant is said to remove Radon. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:12 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSMold, Chlorine Bleach and Vellux Blankets Plants are great detoxifiers for indoor air. Philodendrens are one I kept for that reason. BUT in Seattle at least having house plants was also a source of mold since you keep the soil moist almost constantly, well some of us who dote on our plants do. So something to think about in your process of getting rid of mold sources, probably very hard to do in any humid climate. I know mold levels have been off the charts this year with all the wet weather in Central Texas. I ran across a list of plants and what they detoxify best years ago. Maybe a Google search would turn something up. Garnet On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 18:14, Mike Monett wrote: Re: CSMold, Chlorine Bleach and Vellux Blankets From: Paul Holloway Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:56:33 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72730.html Hi Mike, A friend recommended this stuff http://www.siberianlichen.com/ for getting rid of mold. I haven't tried it, but it may be helpful to you. Paul H Hi Paul, Thank you very much. This looks interesting and worth studying in detail. It is not expensive and may actually do what they claim. More important is the source of the information. To be honest, I was extremely impressed with your correcting my error on H2O2 concentration - not ppb, s/b ppm. That takes sharp eyes and good focus, which are extremely rare these days. I would like to study your previous posts in the archives and learn more about you. Dan Nave recently commented my battle will not be won the way I am going, and I will have to change the terrain. And it's funny how things work. After a recent discussion with Marshall on the intelligence of plants, I now find myself with a huge philodendron named Herbie who is actually climbing out of his box looking for whatever philodendron's look for. The reason this happened is I remarked how my headache seemed to disappear when I was in an office where a small philodendron was growing on a shelf. One thing led to another, and suddenly I received this enormous gift in a large cardboard box. After a couple of hours, I am astonished at how he is trying to get out of the box! I went outside and found a strong tree branch for him to climb on and will put Herbie in the corner beside the computer where I can keep an eye on him and chat if he feels like talking. But I have to be honest. My headache is very much reduced. Strange. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
All I have found so far it gel, that has junk in it to make it jell, and tablets that have coloring, flavor and cirtic acid in them. Citric acid would make silver citrate, complicating my data significantly. Marshall Liz Pavek wrote: I also am striking out on finding dextrose aka glucose in a pure form. Have you checked diabetic supplies? Diabetics use pure glucose for insulin shock treatment. Redhead (newbie lurker)
Re: CS dextrose aka glucose
No, this is for my experiments with silver, silver oxide, fulminating silver, and all. The addition of glucose to the last two suppose to produce metallic silver, the first a silver coating and the silver oxide is suppose to produce silver colloid. It HAS to chemically be pure glucose. Marshall Christine Carleton wrote: Have you tried STEVIA extract (made from rice maltodextrin, stevioside, and silica)? Diabetic is an body alarm system = pre cancer, etc. Pay attention now! Change diet, Balance internal pH. It's also related to a deep sorrow, a need to control, little sweetness left in life from that window of perception (illusion) , and a longing for what might have been. Change the beliefs and change the health. Develop faith and trust, and appreciate what you do have. Key: a paradox of healing - small things count greatly. However, if you need something natural to assist with hypoglycemic or hyperglycemic imbalances quickly - within 2 minutes for daily ups and downs like headaches or needing food now, or even for greater challenges like waiting for the ambulance to arrive regarding a diabetic convulsion, contact me off line. There are essential oils that can do this. I sell oils and this is OT. Christine From: Liz Pavek liz...@frontiernet.net I also am striking out on finding dextrose aka glucose in a pure form. Have you checked diabetic supplies? Diabetics use pure glucose for insulin shock treatment. Redhead (newbie lurker)
Re: CSRe: CS: Marshall's H2O2 Experiments
What other choice is there. If it were silver oxide, that precipitates out within days, yet yellow CS will last for years. I have papers that give the absorption spectrum for silver particles of different sizes. This is a known fact, it is not conjecture. I have posted these curves to this group a couple of times already. Look it up in any colloidal chemistry book and you will find this to be the case with both gold and silver. Marshall Dave wrote: Marshall Dudley wrote: Mike Monett wrote: CS From: Marshall Dudley Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:32:29 Still got experiments to run, but this is starting to make some sense now. Marshall 1. Silver oxide produces the yellow tint in cs, and adding H2O2 produces a clear solution. If the H2O2 generated silver oxide as you propose, the solution should become a darker yellow, don't you think? Here's an equation that may be useful: Why do you say that silver oxide makes the yellow tint? Yesterday I had a saturated solution of silver oxide, and it appeared crystal clear. I will test again, but I don't think silver oxide dissolved in water has a yellow tint, it is does, it is certainly very light. The yellow tint is caused by particle size. This was proven over 100 years ago, and all tests since then confirm it. If it was silver oxide, how can you explain that it goes to gold, then orange, then red as the particles increase in size? Here's another thought you might explore: Try reducing a batch until it turns from clear to a noted color, then add back in the exact ( as well as can be determined) amount of distilled water that was removed. Now you should have a clear solution. That kind of flies in the face of the above statement that color is caused by particle size. Wouldn't the color remain if it was caused by particle size? Adding water would change the concentration, not the particle size. I use a well cleaned coffee carafe on a coffee maker hotplate and never let it get below half full. I can go to a deep honey brown and bring it back to clear. I've done it a couple of times just to experiment. I use the concentrate to make a gel or mix with aloe for topical use. It doesn't plate out in a reasonable time ( couple of weeks) until I use it. I have no idea how many ppm I have but I actually get a slight buzz when I drink some. I don't know how they made their determination 100 years ago but they didn't have Mr. coffee to work with. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSWarning to experimenters - Explosive silver
We used to make it and pour it on the floor in High School; when dried it makes a sharp, but in such small concentrations harmless popping sound. JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 10:39 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSWarning to experimenters - Explosive silver I did not realize it the other day, but when I mixed ammonia with the silver oxide, I produced a high explosive, fulminating silver accoring to this. Anyone repeating these experiments should pour the fulminate down the drain while wet, do not allow to dry! It is a contact high explosive. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=red%20silver Fulminating silver. (Chem.) (a) A black crystalline substance, Ag2O.(NH3)2, obtained by dissolving silver oxide in aqua ammonia. When dry it explodes violently on the slightest percussion. (b) Silver fulminate, a white crystalline substance, Ag2C2N2O2, obtained by adding alcohol to a solution of silver nitrate. When dry it is violently explosive. Marshall
CSLED'S and cancer treatment
The most articles I have read concerning the use of LED' s and cancer refer to how the light is used to activate a chemical that has been injected. This chemical is absorbed more by cancerous cells than healthy cells. After absorption, the area is exposed to the light and the chemical is made active by this light. Once it becomes active, it kills the cancer cells and does very little damage to healthy ones. But it is not the light that gets the cancer; it is the chemical. Porphyrins of some kind if I recall correctly.Most sites that sell LED'S caution against using them on cancer or on pregnant women. I have emailed a couple of these sites and they don't seem to be able or else don't want to, offer any info as to why they should not be used on cancer. I have read that the red led's cause blood vessels to grow faster so that would nix using it on cancer as they have more vascularity than regular cells---maybe. Also, since cancer cells grow more profusely, you wouldn't want to increase their energy--might make a bad situation worse. The www.educate-yourself.com site mentions using green led's for cancer (Dinshah, I guess) so I will try to get more info from them. When I learn anything, I will sure post it. The reasons I have given as to why the led's aren't recommended for cancer is just what I surmise.I sure would like to hear about any tryouts on any animals, but so far I have not found any. I have found that a few herbs cause photosensitivity, but I don't know if that could be used by regular people to treat a cancer or not. Doesn't seem likely, but I will sure play around with them when and if the time comes. Meantime, V's unit continues to give my husband a much better quality of life. Thank, V!! pj - Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now.
CSRe[2]: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Hello Liz, Monday, August 23, 2004, 8:11:54 AM, you wrote: I also am striking out on finding dextrose aka glucose in a pure form. Have you checked diabetic supplies? Diabetics use pure glucose for insulin shock treatment. Redhead (newbie lurker) Try DEXTREVIT SOLD IN Mexican PHARMACIES -- Best regards, Alexmailto:compu...@yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSterile wash?
Hi JB, Enjoy and appreciate your valuable info you share with us seekers! Glad you needed a bit of assistance regarding resublimed iodine. Iodine is usually obtained from dried seaweed, burned and by chemically treating, the iodine is separated by sublimation. Iodine is a blue-black, metallic-appearing crystal, insoluble in water, but soluble in several other solvents; is quite volatile so must be stored in well-closed bottles, and by reason of its volatility it is usually purified by sublimation, hence the trade name of the best quality of iodine is resublimed iodine. From(Principles of Pharmacy--Arny-Fischeles). From Remington's Pharmaceutical Sciences 17th edition: Iodine is one of the three best all-around antiseptics. It is active against bacteria, fungi, yeasts, protozoa, and viruses. Iodine may be used to purify drinking water. 5 to 10 drops of 2% iodine tincture to a quart of water left for 1 hr. is both amebacidal and bactericidal. Some communities use iodine in lieu of chlorine for water purification because organic matter has little effect to antagonize iodine, as it does chlorine, and carcinogenic compounds are not generated. Years ago while camping with our 2 Eagle Boy Scouts and our 3 1st Class Girl Scouts, we often added Chlorox to a gallon of water or 1 Iodine tablet to our qt canteens to purify strange, untreated water--Very effective, but UN-tasty. My preference in 2004 is to use CS 10 ppm (1 oz. to a gallon water, shake, let sit 30 minutes and it's ready to drink tastes like delicious drinking water--NOT Iodine or Chlorine. Recently when the City tagged our home as a result of broken water pipes in the area advising us to Boil our Water until further notice--we filled several jugs of water and added 1 oz. CS 10 ppm and had NO problems. If the writer of the Iodine article is brought up to snuff, I believe that he would join us in the use of CS. For years, I recommended that anyone with groin or foot fungus use Chlorox in the Rinse Cycle, allowing to soak for 30 minutes to kill the fungi that are in the underwear or socks or shoes and upon treating the affected body area, you would not become reinfected from the still infected clothing or shoes. It helped my FUNGUS CREAM II give better results. Thanks for this opportunity to share. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:44 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSterile wash? Hi, Mike, I haven't the background to comment on the calculations but don't doubt that your conclusion is correct. I posted without comment simply because I thought some members might be interested; glad you were sufficiently to challenge the claims. We need such expertise. Thanks. Related topic: I read in a great Reader's Digest hardcover book on a back to nature theme that the best, simplest water purification kit for hikers and survivalists is a small, clear screw-top jar with five grams of resublimated iodine crystals. I have never heard the term resublimated and hope our pharmacist Mr. R. Harris can enlighten us. Bottom line: one bottle of these crystals can be used ONE THOUSAND TIMES. Fill up the jar with any old water and shake it. Three tsps. of shaken water can purify a quart in 20 minutes. Remarkable, I think.Seems to be a modest supply of these crystals would last the average family for decades.They are available only from a pharmacy I read. Interesting. I want some of these crystals in case of emergency. JBB Samsung is a Korean company, incidentally. On Sunday, Aug 22, 2004, at 00:24 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote: CSSterile wash? From: Jonathan B. Britten Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 05:04:56 Silver ions in washing machines: http://www.samsung.com/Products/WashingMachine/Bigwash/ WashingMachine_Bigwash_H1245AS.htm JBB Hi Jonathan, Quote from the article: Bigwash H1245AS Silver Nano Technology Like a bath of beauty for your fabrics, Samsung's Silver Wash is an advanced washer with superb germ killing capabilities. Imagine 400 billion silver particles dissolved in water to make a super cleaning solution that affects your clothes on an almost molecular level. its purification ability of 99.9% and lasting antibacterial action will redefine your idea of immaculate. http://www.samsung.com/Products/WashingMachine/Bigwash/ WashingMachine_Bigwash_H1245AS.htm Sounds more like hogwash. 400 billion silver ions weigh 7.16E-08 milligrams. If the washer holds 10 gallons of water, it would have a silver concentration of 1.89E-09 ppm, which is below the limit of detectability. The Mercury calculations are shown at the end. Another problem is
RE: CSSterile wash?
RE: CSSterile wash? From: Richard Harris Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:25:14 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72830.html Hi Richard, I'm happy to see you are still alive and kicking! Can I ask you a question? I mix 100ml bleach and 100ml white vinegar in 1.5 litres of tap water and spray it on my bedding and clothes. I let it sit for 4-5 hrs, then heat in a microwave for 1/2 hr at 1/2 power to kill spores and bacteria. It has to be in a plastic container to prevent burning and fire. This makes hyprochlorous acid, which stinks like hell and is difficult to ventilate. But it seems to be the only way I have found to erase the spores that make me so sick. One slight advantage is it seems to make many fewer holes in the cotton. But it completely destroys the iron in the hand pump I use to spray the liquid on the clothes. My question is can you think of any better way to kill unwanted fungal and/or bacterial growth? Thanks, and it was good to see your post! Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSColloidal Silver/Urine Test
What happens to CS in the blood? A thought occurred to me today. Several times on the list, people have postulated that CS turns to Silver Chloride in the blood Stream? Others have argued that it doesn't. When table salt is added to CS, even in small amounts, it turns cloudy, instantly. Urine is a clear blood filtrate, probably fairly close to that of blood itself, especially early in the morning. If CS were to turn to Silver Chloride in the blood, you should see urine turn very cloudy upon the addition of Colloidal Silver, or the CS should turn cloudy upon the addition of the urine. I haven't done this but the test sure seems reasonable to me. Has anyone else seen the logic of this? Has anyone tried it? I haven't yet. Interesting to see what would happen with the clear a.m. voidings of different people with CS added to it. Regards, Ian -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLED's and cancer
Interesting link about a study using 532 nm green scanner lazer to treat a burn on a diabetic foot, but still nothing on cancer. http://www.marti-inst.ch/LLLT_Studie2_am.htm Sorry that turned out in two pieces. Seems to be the best I can manage. pj - Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now.
CSSilver Ag+ and H2O2 disinfectant
http://www.sanosil.com/-disinfectants-m.htm Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
