Re: CSHeating Colloidal Silver
If you make CS at over around 110-120 deg F. it's almost guaranteed to come up yellow. After it's made and sits around a while, it doesn't seem to care. If you freeze it, The particulates seem to form a column in the center and may drop out when thawed [never noticed drop out... or not] I was a little surprised to see no effect from nuking CS..[I didn't boil it] Ode At 09:43 AM 12/19/2005 -0500, you wrote: All bets are off if you microwave it, I have never done any tests to see if the microwaves cause higher aggregation then otherwise. If you have a laser, then try heating it (the CS not the laser), then compare the intensity of the beam in the unheated and the heated. If thye apprear identical, then most likely there is little or no effect. Marshall marmar...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:30:49 PM Central Standard Time, mdud...@king-cart.com writes: It will not destroy the CS, but depending on how hot you heat it, could lead to increased particle size and lower effectiveness. The more yellow or color it has, them more likely it will be effected. Thanks for responding Marshall. It's perfectly clear CS, ppm level around 12. I guess that even if it's less effective, if it gets more into her that would be a good thing. Best way to do this in a microwave in a cup? Or on the stove in a porcelain tea kettle? MA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2O2 CS
## Gee, that was a LOT of peroxide! Have you tasted that stuff HWEEE! Try 6 to 12 drops next time and you won't get that spitting mad dog look when you use it. Ode At 09:43 AM 12/19/2005 -0800, you wrote: Hi Marshall, Well son of gun it worked. I had a jar of CS I had made. It was an old batch that was perfectly clear, then I added some water to it and ran the current through it some more and it turned golden and then got real deep yellow after a few days. Looked like apple juice. so after readnig the below I thought what the heck I'll put some H2O2 in there and see what happens. I put maybe a couple ounces in a quart jar that was 2/3 full a little at a time. and it is now almost perfectly clear. V Yes. If your CS has a large particle content, and overall exceeds some minimum level (something over 26 ppm), then when the large particles are converted to ionic, the ionic content can exceed the solubility of silver oxide/hydroxide, and will produce a brown sediment. If you have mostly ionic in which you already have brown suspension of the ionic precipitant, then that will be converted to 2 atom colloid, reducing the ionic content to under the solubility limit, and it all then dissolves and goes clear. Here are some examples, asuming that you end up with 67% ionic after the H2O2 is added: Lets assume that after adding H2O2 you end up with 33% particle, and 67% ionic That is quite possible since the ionic portion will be both silver oxide and silver hydroxide, so if we end up with equal amounts of each that will give 67% ionic. Start with 35 ppm 90% colloid large particles 10% ionic color brown from large particles and ionic silver precipitant, result 33% colloid small particles, 67% ionic. Ionic content goes from 90% 35 ppm = 31.5 ppm to 67% of 35 ppm = 23 ppm, and since the ionic content is now below 26 ppm it all dissolves and the particles are small, so it goes clear. Start with 42 ppm 60% ionic with colloid large particles color gold from particles only the ionic is totally dissolved (ionic is only 25 ppm). Result is 67% of 42 ppm = 28 ppm ionic, with the particles once again 2 atom in size, so it goes to brown with the ionic silver oxide/hydroxide precipitant. What this basically says is that it does not matter what the initial ionic vs particle content of the batch is, what matters is the total silver content including both the ionic and particulate, and if that amount is less than some certain amount (around 40 ppm?, then it will go clear with H2O2, and if it is more it will go cloudy and brown. Marshall By the way, I dilute and drink the CS that has turned brown from H2O2. (It's just CS with H2O2 in it.) Remember, it's almost difficult to make a toxic or dangerous CS, no matter what the color, if you are only using Fine silver and DW. I can brew 10 gallons for an hour during the summer (when the room is warm) and get crystal clear CS. If I brew it for 1-1/2 hours, it will be gold. That doesn't mean that it's bad or toxic CS, it simply means the particles are big enough to refract light, but still much, much smaller than the ground-up silver the European Royalty used to ingest. I have no hesitation to drinking yellow or gold CS (I've drunk many gallons of it), and have no reason to think it is in any way dangerous. I make a point of brewing clear CS because I don't feel that gold CS is more effective than clear CS, but gold CS does mean my silver wires are dissolving faster. If you are using DW and Fine silver and you get a colored or cloudy batch, don't fret, don't throw it out, drink it, use it, it's fine. If you want, dilute it before ingesting it (I personally don't bother), but don't fear it. It's not the occasional colored/cloudy/muddy batch that can hurt you, it's the consistent, regular ingestion of large amounts of brown or blackish CS over a significant period of time that MAY be a concern. The closest thing to an example of this is Stan Jones, who didn't even use DW. If it took him two years, drinking 8 oz/day of coffee-colored, chlorinated tap water CS, to get a faint blue around his eyes, how safe is yellow CS made with DW? Safe enough that I wouldn't even give it a second thought. The scientists have found that it is actually HARD to create argyria, that it takes HUGE amounts of silver compounds to eventually produce it. And what they have done is not in the same dimension with what we are doing. Let me put it more succinctly: If you were to brew CS using only DW and Fine silver wire, and you brewed it however long it took to get coffee-colored CS, it would still not be what Stan Jones drank, and I am very dubious that what happened to Stan would happen to you. Nevertheless, to stay on the safe side, here is the rule - follow this rule, and you won't go wrong: DON'T REGULARLY DRINK LARGE AMOUNTS OF COFFEE-COLORED CS. Anything else I consider to be safe,
Re: CSRE:CS colour
Mega agglomeration gone past yellow and blue into red. Made WAY too strong and way too fast is my guess. Some contaminants will do that too. What is that 'normal' way? ode At 08:55 AM 12/20/2005 +1300, you wrote: Hi there, Ive just made another bottle of CS, like I normally have done alot of times before, but this time the colour of the water is like a browny red colour, like rust. Any ideas? Still tastes the same. Kate -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/19/2005
Re: CSThey say that colloid silver is bad
Yea..they say a lot of things...like Ions are toxic I believe one is that you need 8 - 20 PPM ...IN the blood... for CS to kill germs? And that's why you need 2,000- 5,000 PPM CS. [Blue man!] Well, maybe so if you used 'Invive' Mild Silver Protein. EIS/CS kills em in water at as little as 2 parts Per Billion. Mold and bacteria will sometimes grow... ON ...MSP ..sorta like a tire fire calling a kettle on an alcohol flame black? The first winning scenario is: The minimum dosage that is necessary in adults and that works for most common pathogens is: 2 teaspoons of 2000 p.p.m. in the morning upon rising (after brushing teeth). 2 teaspoons of 2000 p.p.m. in the night just before sleep (after brushing teeth). This means that you will need 6 bottles for 1 month. This will enable you to achieve a 8 p.p.m. silver level in your bloodstream. If you do not take the 2000 p.p.m. at this minimum level of dosage you will not be able to eradicate common pathogens because you will not have the minimum required 8 p.p.m. concentration in you bloodstream that the 2000 p.p.m. at this dosage is able to achieve. o The minimum dosage that is necessary in adults and that works for most common pathogens is: 2 teaspoons of 2000 p.p.m. in the morning upon rising (after brushing teeth). 2 teaspoons of 2000 p.p.m. in the night just before sleep (after brushing teeth). This means that you will need 6 bottles for 1 month. This will enable you to achieve a 8 p.p.m. silver level in your bloodstream. If you do not take the 2000 p.p.m. at this minimum level of dosage you will not be able to eradicate common pathogens because you will not have the minimum required 8 p.p.m. concentration in you bloodstream that the 2000 p.p.m. at this dosage is able to achieve. (If you need to go out without having dark silver liquid on your teeth then brush, but it will dissolve after 3 hours on its own and your teeth will then be white without brushing ((You do not want to brush right after taking the silver because you then rinse causing the silver to be washed away))). v [Danged text editing in Eudora 5 sucks] Ode At 11:57 PM 12/19/2005 +0100, you wrote: They say that colloid silver is bad ? http://www.invive.com/http://www.invive.com/ hmm.. ///peter No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSeves dropping
Get real! So what has the NSA top secret Echelon project [that so many people know about somehow] been doing for the past 40+ years other than scanning every satellite, Internet, radio, FAX and cell phone transmission that .suddenly makes it Bush's baby? Is this the Great Society legacy of Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson and the mobster smuggler Kennedys? Maybe not, but they sure didn't stop it. Echelons beginnings date from 1948. NSA started in 1952 under Harry Truman...another Democrat...and one of the main missions was to eavesdrop on steel mills to prevent a strike and everyone else later on using the Echelon system after the Supreme Court ruled that illegal..by placing control under a TOP SECRET agency [NSA] that doesn't report to the Supreme Court. The Crisis Mongers are apparently attempting to fill Georges can with their own crap legacy. Domestic Spying is most certainly not new news. Echelon listens to EVERYTHING in the air, all over the world. The only thing that George is doing differently is sharing the info with other agencies and not denying that the system exists. [but still doesn't utter the word Echelon] He also doesn't waste a lot of energy defending himself when he could and someone else would, were they in his shoes. The crisis mongers are confusing domestic wire taps with listening in to the public airwaves which is legal for anyone to do. Cell phone calls and police radios are regularly listened into by private individuals who own scanners. The only restrictions are about how the info is 'used' and there is a 72 hour window to get a retroactive warrant on info already collected should it be useful..which [so far as I can tell] includes domestic wire taps if the tap in not located inside a building. A warrant is obtained so the info can be used in court. Trans Oceanic cables are not domestic lines and anything broadcast is Public Domain. Planting bugs in a room is a different story being discussed with the advent of laser listening devices that don't attach to or enter into a building. Planting a bug requires a warrant to gain entry in order to plant the bug with no retroactive provision. There are no laws against anyone using a hearing aid, a vibrating window is a speaker and sounds broadcast in the air are Public Domain. Right or wrong aside Anyone with a desire to maintain privacy has known to use encryption and codes for a long long time. Ode [not a Rep OR a Dem] At 08:56 AM 12/20/2005 +0900, you wrote: Amen. According the mainstream news reports, President Bush has admitted his repeated and willful violations of the law in ordering spying on American citizens; according to AP, the FBI admits that most of the more than 10,000 were not suspected of any wrongdoing. Only a handful of persons knows the true purpose of these illegal actions. I would go so far as to assume that every person on our list may be monitored by someone. When the truth finally comes out, there may be some changes in government. On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 22:07 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Big brother is watching us all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/19/2005
CSHomemade vs. Sovereign
What makes Sovereign better than homemade? It's just too expensive to use very much. Is it possible to make CS that's 1,000 or 5,000 ppm like that website advertised? Are they measuring some different way? I'm confusedcourse, that's getting to be a permanant state for me lol Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
CSFood Poisoning (quote-unquote)
A story about food poisoning--a few weeks ago many parents here were reporting that large numbers of kids were out of school with the 'flu'. Being interested in the whole avian flu issue, I started looking in at the Weather Channel's website which carries what I assume are Center for Disease Control flu report statistics on a state-by-state basis. Guess what--not one report of the flu in that 2-week period and hardly any at all since. Which leaves me wondering just how often salmonella type food contaminations occur in the schools and are mislabeled, at least by the general public. And why doesn't this make the news--hundreds of kids out at a time isn't news? DByron -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE
Nancy... your comments regarding Sovereign Silver peeked my interest... I'm still working on a good treatment for my Cats who have upper respiratory problems. Though they have improved significantly using my homemade CS I thought adding Sovereign Silver may up their comfort level... could you let me know where you get your Sovereign Silver thanks so much connie On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:34:15 -0600 Nancy DeLise nancym...@prodigy.net writes: I took 16- 20 oz. of my home made Cs for 2 1/2 years. When I learned about Sovereign Silver, I took 2 teaspoons four times a day. Now that I am about 90 % cured of my MS, I take 8 oz. of my home made in the morning and 2 teaspoons of Sovereign Silver two times a day.(MS is a virus and I would never stop completely) As far as the H2o2, I put 1 drop of H2o2 into 2 oz. of CS and let it sit for about 15 minutes. The H2o2 interacts with the silver and causes the particles to break up into much smaller particles, and more of it gets utilized by the body rather then just going thru quickly. Nancy - Original Message - From: Greg Ball To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE Nancy - I may have missed this in another post, but how much sovereign did you take, and did you combine that with homemade? Also, how did you make your homemade silver? Lastly, why mix the silver with the H202? I have an ozone machine and can drink ozone water. Would this be the same because it ads oxygen? or is there something about the peroxide thats unique? Does it combine somehow with the silver? Thanks so much for sharing!
Re: CSLaser Pointer
A three dollar one will be fine. Red is the most commonly available, works fine! Chuck Nuke the Smurfs On 12/20/2005 5:12:11 PM, Pat (pattycake29...@yahoo.com) wrote: I just found out laser pointers come in different colors. Which should I buy? Also, are the $3 ones the same as the $30 ones as far as the light? Thanks, Pat __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE:CSFood Poisoning (quote-unquote)
RE: Food poison, Dr Clark and others say that 6 drops of LUGOL'S IODINE in a cup of water for an adult, 1/2 that for a child will cure food poison in a couple hours. My family always carry it when we travel, along with CS, and herbal tea. Because it works. Do a Google search on it. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. - Original Message - From: deborah byron To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:17 AM Subject: CSFood Poisoning (quote-unquote) A story about food poisoning--a few weeks ago many parents here were reporting that large numbers of kids were out of school with the 'flu'. Being interested in the whole avian flu issue, I started looking in at the Weather Channel's website which carries what I assume are Center for Disease Control flu report statistics on a state-by-state basis. Guess what--not one report of the flu in that 2-week period and hardly any at all since. Which leaves me wondering just how often salmonella type food contaminations occur in the schools and are mislabeled, at least by the general public. And why doesn't this make the news--hundreds of kids out at a time isn't news? DByron -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSLaser Pointer
These lasers are common at flea markets, usually at vendors with dollar store items. Dollar stores are another source. Mostly sold as keychain novelties. Imagine, $3 including batteries! Chuck Peace through superior firepower On 12/20/2005 5:59:30 PM, Richard Harris (yr...@cfl.rr.com) wrote: Hi Pat, I believe the RED laser to be better-- I'm NOT convinced the other colored lights I've seen are laser. The $3 should be as good as the more expensive and I'd appreciate the source of this inexpensive red laser to share this info with others. Please read my Site Blogspot in which I offer FREE 3 pages of CS Uses and 1 page of CS Favorites to which I refer often. Let me know if I can be of help. ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSeves dropping
Thank you, Ode! The more I check these kinds of things out, the more I realize how little people understand of how we got where we are. People don't remember that JFK was spying on Martin Luther King, and J.Edgar Hoover had files on EVERYBODY. Look, while I don't care for many of the things President Bush has done, this whole illegal spying thing is much ado about nothing. The more I learn, the more I absolutely agree with this policy as critical in intelligence-gathering. I did find it interesting to learn that the New York Times had this story for A YEAR before deciding to publish it last Friday. Wonder why they waited..well, it could have been that on Friday, it was a Trifects for them! 1) The Democrats and the media HATE that real progress is being made in Iraq, and will do anything to avoid talking about that progress. There was a 70% turnout for voting last week, despite fears of being shot at or polling places at risk for suicide bombers. Here, in the U.S., people don't vote if it RAINS, for heaven's sake! The New York Times, as the official mouthpiece of the Democratic Party, simply couldn't stand to give that story the time it deserved, and had to find something to get that off the front page. 2) Whether you like all aspects of the Patriot Act, or none of them, it is deeply disturbing to me that The New York Times would choose to release a controversial story about domestic spying, WHICH THEY HAD FOR A YEAR, on the very day that Congress is going to vote on extending the Act. Nobody will convince me that this was not done deliberately to influence the vote. 3) Funny that the source for this information is coming out with a book soon.. Linda Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: Get real! So what has the NSA top secret Echelon project [that so many people know about somehow] been doing for the past 40+ years other than scanning every satellite, Internet, radio, FAX and cell phone transmission that .suddenly makes it Bush's baby? Is this the Great Society legacy of Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson and the mobster smuggler Kennedys? Maybe not, but they sure didn't stop it. Echelons beginnings date from 1948. NSA started in 1952 under Harry Truman...another Democrat...and one of the main missions was to eavesdrop on steel mills to prevent a strike and everyone else later on using the Echelon system after the Supreme Court ruled that illegal..by placing control under a TOP SECRET agency [NSA] that doesn't report to the Supreme Court. The Crisis Mongers are apparently attempting to fill Georges can with their own crap legacy. Domestic Spying is most certainly not new news. Echelon listens to EVERYTHING in the air, all over the world. The only thing that George is doing differently is sharing the info with other agencies and not denying that the system exists. [but still doesn't utter the word Echelon] He also doesn't waste a lot of energy defending himself when he could and someone else would, were they in his shoes. The crisis mongers are confusing domestic wire taps with listening in to the public airwaves which is legal for anyone to do. Cell phone calls and police radios are regularly listened into by private individuals who own scanners. The only restrictions are about how the info is 'used' and there is a 72 hour window to get a retroactive warrant on info already collected should it be useful..which [so far as I can tell] includes domestic wire taps if the tap in not located inside a building. A warrant is obtained so the info can be used in court. Trans Oceanic cables are not domestic lines and anything broadcast is Public Domain. Planting bugs in a room is a different story being discussed with the advent of laser listening devices that don't attach to or enter into a building. Planting a bug requires a warrant to gain entry in order to plant the bug with no retroactive provision. There are no laws against anyone using a hearing aid, a vibrating window is a speaker and sounds broadcast in the air are Public Domain. Right or wrong aside Anyone with a desire to maintain privacy has known to use encryption and codes for a long long time. Ode [not a Rep OR a Dem] At 08:56 AM 12/20/2005 +0900, you wrote: Amen. According the mainstream news reports, President Bush has admitted his repeated and willful violations of the law in ordering spying on American citizens; according to AP, the FBI admits that most of the more than 10,000 were not suspected of any wrongdoing. Only a handful of persons knows the true purpose of these illegal actions. I would go so far as to assume that every person on our list may be monitored by someone. When the truth finally comes out, there may be some changes in government. On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 22:07 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Big brother is watching us all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing
CSDefinition of an ion
I have received several replys now from scientists on what an ion is. Here they are: From: chys...@comsci.org.uk Hi, a colloid is a particle and in the case of Colloidal Silver should have a charge on it- this kils the micro-organisim. Typical size .05um. An ion is in solution and is just a molecule or atom in size depending on the subatance.As an ion is very very small by comparison it can penetrate the tissues much more easily. Ionic silver is potentially much more toxic than a colloidal particle of silver as it can combine with other ions to produce toxic substances like silver nitate. Hope that helps. Chris Hyslop. Chartered Biologist. Commercial Science. From: rek...@gmail.com Instead of saying 'group of atoms', it should actually say 'molecule'. The earth is not an atom or a molecule, nor is a charged balloon or a colloid. These are both examples of groups of molecules, which should not be included in the definition. So an ion is an atom or molecule deficient in or having excessive electrons relative to the positive charge of the nucleus (or cumulative charge of the nuclei sharing the deficiency/excess)...pretty simple. Protons cannot be exchanged except by nuclear reaction, although the transfer of electron deficiency is the basis for the Bronsted definition of acids as well as the concept of holes in semiconductors. Note that the deficiency or excess in a molecule is usually localized to the atom that results in the lowest formal charge. You can have two or more ionic groups in one molecule due to this localization (zwitterion). Macromolecules such as enzymes and other polymeric species can also be ionic - they are called polyelectrolytes. The official definition is at http://www.iupac.org/goldbook/I03158.pdf and says: ion An atomic or molecular particle having a net electric charge. 1982, 54, 1545 So it seems that in no case can a crystaline particle such as colloidal silver be called an ion even though it may have a charge. Only atoms and molecules can be called an ion. Marshall
RE: CSdercums disease and CS
Hi Hannah, Hope you're aware of bG's wonderful Site: microelectricitygermkil...@yahoogroups.com. At the bottom of their Site, they have Photos, full directions for making and many uses that people have reported--usually accompanying CS dosages (oral and external applications). Be sure to make one of these simple devices and experiment on treating your problem--always sharing your results with bG--both positive and negative. There are many items we add to CS for problem conditions to make CS more effective. Please read my Site Blogspot where I offer 3 FREE pages of CS Uses + 1 page of Favorites CS Site to which I refer often. Let me know if I can be of help. Merry Christmas the finest New Year ever to ALL!! Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 http://www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Hannah [mailto:bloss...@tadaust.org.au] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 1:57 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSdercums disease and CS As a user of CS for quite a few years, but also the 'owner' of many lipomas which as yet are still undiagnosed as to which variety (Dercum's,Madelungs, or 'just' familial multiple lipomas - still searching for a specialist here in Oz who knows about Dercum's and can diagnose - ) I have not seen any positive influence on the lipomas/fatty benign tumors. Neither in halting the development of news ones nor stopping from existing ones in their growth. It just continues. A fairly active support group by Dercum's sufferers can be found at the following website. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Dercums_Disease/ However, I wouldn't want to be without CS to keep my immune system from being overloaded. My observation is that many Dercum's people do have a number of other health issues often auto immune system related. Hanneke ~ Australia
Re: CSConfusing CS vocabulary
Terry Chamberlin wrote: Marshall, you said, The H2O2 reacts with the silver particles, producing ionic silver The final result is a mixture of ionic silver (hydroxide and oxide) and very small colloidal particles. If your CS has a large particle content, and overall exceeds some minimum level (something over 26 ppm), then when the large particles are converted to ionic, the ionic content can exceed the solubility of silver oxide/hydroxide, and will produce a brown sediment. If you have mostly ionic in which you already have brown suspension of the ionic precipitant, then that will be converted to 2 atom colloid, reducing the ionic content to under the solubility limit, and it all then dissolves and goes clear. Lets assume that after adding H2O2 you end up with 33% particle, and 67% ionic What this basically says is that it does not matter what the initial ionic vs particle content of the batch is These sentences are confusing. The H2O2 reacts with the silver particles, producing ionic silver It was ALL ionic from the beginning. Every silver particle had a charge. That is not true. The correct definition of an ion is at http://www.iupac.org/goldbook/I03158.pdf and is: An atomic or molecular particle having a net electric charge. EIS is composed of ionic silver, which is typically silver oxide and silver hydroxide and particulate silver which is a silver crystal, and thus is NOT an ion. Using your broad definition of an ion then a balloon that is charged up, and the earth are both ions, which is clearly not the case. The final result is a mixture of ionic silver and very small colloidal particles. ALL the particles are ionic. No they are not, only the dissolved compounds are ionic, the colloidal silver crystals are not. The particles that are too small to be termed colloidal also have a charge so they too are ionic. I am not sure what you mean by too small, size has nothing to do with if it is a colloid or not. If it has charge and is atomic or molecular, then it is an ion, but if it NOT atomic or molecular, then it is not an ion. In the case of milk the cream is in very small charged droplets, and forms a colloid, but the cream droplets are NOT ions, they are simply charged particles, like a balloon that is charged up. What are you attempting to differentiate between? The official definition of an ion. If your CS has a large particle content There is nothing in the solution but particles. What else could there be? By particles I am referring to colloidal silver crystals. Yes ions are particles as are the water molecules, but I was not referring to them. ..when the large particles are converted to ionic The large particles are already ionic, they already have a charge. They have a charge, they are not ionic any more than a balloon rubbed on the wall is ionic. If you have mostly ionic I dont have MOSTLY ionic, I have nothing but ionic. Then you have no particulate silver crystals, and there will be NO tyndall. ..that will be converted to 2 atom colloid, reducing the ionic content So are you saying that some of the ions will lose their charge? Yes, the ions lose their ionic charge and become a silver crystal particle. The particle will have a charge though due to other influences. The Ag2++ ion will have a charge of 2, but the Ag crystal particle will have a charge that ranges from 0 to 2, and will be continually varying depending on the dynamics of the liquid and collisions with water molecules. A better example would be a silver particle of say 100 atoms with maybe 20 on the surface. If the silver in it were ionic, it would have a charge of 100 electrons, but being a particle, only the surface can have a charge, and thus it can never have a charge of more than 20. It is pretty easy to tell the ionic from the particulate crystals, both by the tyndall effect, as well as by adding something that shorts out charges. Soap will do this, it will discharge static charges, but of course has no effect on the actual charges of ions. If you add soap to EIS then the charge on the silver crystals will lose their charge, and they will begin clumping together, forming larger and larger crystals until they are too large and lack the charge to stay suspended, and then will precipitate out. Soap will have no effect on the ionic portion at all, you cannot simply discharge an ion with a non-ionic substance such as soap. Lets assume that after adding H2O2 you end up with 33% particle, and 67% ionic So you are saying that 33% will not have a charge, and 67% will? No, I am saying that 33% are crystalline with a static charge, and 67% is atomic or molecular with an ionic charge. What this basically says is that it does not matter what the initial ionic vs particle content of the batch is The batch is nothing else but ionic particles. None of the particles are without a charge. No, normal EIS is
Re: CSThey say that colloid silver is bad
Kelburn Koontz wrote: Paul they don't say CS is bad, they say any CS except theirs is bad.There is no contest between our 5,000 p.p.m. to 10,000 p.p.m. solutions when compared against the 20 p.p.m. to 300 p.p.m. toy airplane silvers that are marketed on the Internet. That is true. High ppm silvers are going to have too large particles to ever make it into the blood, and too large to stay suspended. Also 99% of the atoms would not be on the surface where they can do anything. So with ppm's that high, it will be almost totally ineffective, whereas 20 or so ppm is small enough to make it into the blood stream where it is very effective. I am confused though by the reference to toy airplanes, I can think of nothing that connects effective CS with toy airplanes. Marshall They also mention ionic versus colloidal silver.Kel - Original Message - From: Robert Berger To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: Re: CSThey say that colloid silver is bad Peter, Their statements amount to the green glue that I avoided when walking in my cow pastures. Junk it! Ole Bob Peter bilt...@hotmail.com wrote: They say that colloid silver is bad ? http://www.invive.com/ hmm.. ///peter
CS
Please give me some clarification Is H2o2Topical Hydrogen Peroxide? I have heard of people putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the CSare they using Topical Hydrogen Peroxide that you put on external sores? I start making my CS at home and have been drinking it for about 6 months...I feel that the CS goes through my body to fast too and would like to get a deep affect from the CS. Thanks for your help Gwlynda _ From: Nancy DeLise [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 11:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE I took 16- 20 oz. of my home made Cs for 2 1/2 years. When I learned about Sovereign Silver, I took 2 teaspoons four times a day. Now that I am about 90 % cured of my MS, I take 8 oz. of my home made in the morning and 2 teaspoons of Sovereign Silver two times a day.(MS is a virus and I would never stop completely) As far as the H2o2, I put 1 drop of H2o2 into 2 oz. of CS and let it sit for about 15 minutes. The H2o2 interacts with the silver and causes the particles to break up into much smaller particles, and more of it gets utilized by the body rather then just going thru quickly. Nancy - Original Message - From: Greg Ball mailto:granb...@msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE Nancy - I may have missed this in another post, but how much sovereign did you take, and did you combine that with homemade? Also, how did you make your homemade silver? Lastly, why mix the silver with the H202? I have an ozone machine and can drink ozone water. Would this be the same because it ads oxygen? or is there something about the peroxide that's unique? Does it combine somehow with the silver? Thanks so much for sharing!
CSLaser Pointer
I just found out laser pointers come in different colors. Which should I buy? Also, are the $3 ones the same as the $30 ones as far as the light? Thanks, Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
CSRE: CS-, Black Salve/cansema - encyclopedia article about cansema.
Here you go seekers, a free look up for most all things. Simple to use. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/cansemaattachment: Tel Tofflemire.vcf
Re: CSRE:CSFood Poisoning (quote-unquote)
Why use something that takes a couple of hours? I have never found EIS to take more than 10 minutes. Marshall Tel Tofflemire wrote: RE: Food poison,Dr Clark and others say that 6 drops of LUGOL'S IODINE in a cup of water for an adult, 1/2 that for a child will cure food poison in a couple hours. My family always carry it when we travel, along with CS, and herbal tea.Because it works. Do a Google search on it.Tel TofflemireDewey, AZ. - Original Message - From: deborah byron To: silver-l...@eskimo.comsent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:17 AMSubject: CSFood Poisoning (quote-unquote) A story about food poisoning--a few weeks ago many parents here were reporting that large numbers of kids were out of school with the 'flu'. Being interested in the whole avian flu issue, I started looking in at the Weather Channel's website which carries what I assume are Center for Disease Control flu report statistics on a state-by-state basis. Guess what--not one report of the flu in that 2-week period and hardly any at all since. Which leaves me wondering just how often salmonella type food contaminations occur in the schools and are mislabeled, at least by the general public. And why doesn't this make the news--hundreds of kids out at a time isn't news? DByron -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: ***Possible Spam*** Re: CSRe: Heating CS
According to Swiss Scientist Hans Hertel, microwave ovens cause literally bad vibes to be imposed on the substances. -Original Message- From: V [mailto:vzo...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:15 AM To: Kelburn Koontz Subject: ***Possible Spam*** Re: CSRe: Heating CS It is a myth about puttnig metal object in a microwave. It can be done if you jsut follow a few simple rules. Spoons are ok but forks are not. and any metal can not be anywhere near the wall of the microwave. you can put an opened metal can of food in there to heat it and it will work it jsut takes a lot longer becaues the microwaves only come in the can from the top. and then also you have to completely remove the top of the can. Being what the rules are for metal in a microwave I wolud not put CS in there. the basic rule is that any metal must be smooth and contiguous like a spoon is an example but a fork has tines where the metal has spaces and sparks will jump between the tines and caues a problem and thin foil is also a problem as is any ceramicware with metalic paint on it. Take care, V That is a good question. I know one is not supposed to put metal objects in the microwave. How about teeny tiny metal objects suspended in water? Kel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --
Re: CS
Dave and Gwlynda Irek wrote: Please give me some clarification Is H2o2Topical Hydrogen Peroxide? Topical hydrogen peroxide is 3% H2O2. I have heard of people putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the CSare they using Topical Hydrogen Peroxide that you put on external sores? Some use food grade 40%, some use 3% grade that you get at a drug store. When you hear 1 drop per 2 oz. or 2-3 drops per glass, that would be 3%. 40% would require much smaller amounts. Marshall I start making my CS at home and have been drinking it for about 6 months...I feel that the CS goes through my body to fast too and would like to get a deep affect from the CS. Thanks for your help Gwlynda --- From: Nancy DeLise [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 11:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE I took 16- 20 oz. of my home made Cs for 2 1/2 years. When I learned about Sovereign Silver, I took 2 teaspoons four times a day. Now that I am about 90 % cured of my MS, I take 8 oz. of my home made in the morning and 2 teaspoons of Sovereign Silver two times a day.(MS is a virus and I would never stop completely)As far as the H2o2, I put 1 drop of H2o2 into 2 oz. of CS and let it sit for about 15 minutes. The H2o2 interacts with the silver and causes the particles to break up into much smaller particles, and more of it gets utilized by the body rather then just going thru quickly.Nancy - Original Message - From: Greg Ball To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE Nancy - I may have missed this in another post, but how much sovereign did you take, and did you combine that with homemade? Also, how did you make your homemade silver? Lastly, why mix the silver with the H202? I have an ozone machine and can drink ozone water. Would this be the same because it ads oxygen? or is there something about the peroxide thats unique? Does it combine somehow with the silver? Thanks so much for sharing!
Re: CSRE:CS colour
Hi Ode, Im pretty sure its contaminated. I usually fill the jar, same as Ive always done, and put the rods in for 50 minutes. Kate At 12:47 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: Mega agglomeration gone past yellow and blue into red. Made WAY too strong and way too fast is my guess. Some contaminants will do that too. What is that 'normal' way? ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS
Hi Gwlynda, All H202 can be dangerous and explosive unless carefully handled. Many use food grade 35% H202, which I have never used, but which can be successfully diluted when carefully handled. Yes, I use the 3% H202 from the drugstore which is effective, and economical--Upon completion of generating my clear, very effective CS using ONLY pure ozonated, steam distilled water, 99.99% pure silver wires and love dc voltage--then testing with a red laser light for a Tyndall beam and a Hannah TDS-1 meter for a reading of 6 to 8 which x 2 = ppm, I label this 10 ppm , which is underrated, but assures that it's NOT over rated. To 1 gal. of this completed CS, I add 4 ml of 3% H202, which I'm told decreases the pathogen killing time from 4 to 6 hours to about 15 minutes. God has used this excellent CS/H202 to cure bladder cancer, diabetes and many other problems--Praise God! I believe ALL HEALING COMES FROM GOD!! Check my Site and Blogspot in which I offer FREE 3 pages of CS Uses and 1 page of CS Favorites to which I refer often. Let me know if I can be of help. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 http://www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Dave and Gwlynda Irek [mailto:bulld...@irek.cbeyond.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS Importance: High Please give me some clarification Is H2o2Topical Hydrogen Peroxide? I have heard of people putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the CSare they using Topical Hydrogen Peroxide that you put on external sores? I start making my CS at home and have been drinking it for about 6 months...I feel that the CS goes through my body to fast too and would like to get a deep affect from the CS. Thanks for your help Gwlynda -- From: Nancy DeLise [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 11:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE I took 16- 20 oz. of my home made Cs for 2 1/2 years. When I learned about Sovereign Silver, I took 2 teaspoons four times a day. Now that I am about 90 % cured of my MS, I take 8 oz. of my home made in the morning and 2 teaspoons of Sovereign Silver two times a day.(MS is a virus and I would never stop completely) As far as the H2o2, I put 1 drop of H2o2 into 2 oz. of CS and let it sit for about 15 minutes. The H2o2 interacts with the silver and causes the particles to break up into much smaller particles, and more of it gets utilized by the body rather then just going thru quickly. Nancy - Original Message - From: Greg Ball To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE Nancy - I may have missed this in another post, but how much sovereign did you take, and did you combine that with homemade? Also, how did you make your homemade silver? Lastly, why mix the silver with the H202? I have an ozone machine and can drink ozone water. Would this be the same because it ads oxygen? or is there something about the peroxide that's unique? Does it combine somehow with the silver? Thanks so much for sharing!
Re: CSLaser Pointer
Most use red because it is the least expensive. A blue laser though will have 9.4 times as much scattering as a red though because of the shorter wavelength of the light (scattering varys inversely to the 4th power of the wavelength of the light. Also the scattering (tyndall effect) goes up to the 4th power of the particle size, or the square of the particle area. A very good site on the math of Rayleigh Scattering is at http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/atmos/blusky.html Marshall Pat wrote: I just found out laser pointers come in different colors. Which should I buy? Also, are the $3 ones the same as the $30 ones as far as the light? Thanks, Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CSRE:CS colour
Probably a trace of soap left in the jar. Soap and other surfactants cause aggregation of colloidal particles by discharging the charge on the silver crystals so they will grow and grow until they fall out of suspension. Marshall Kate Strong wrote: Hi Ode, Im pretty sure its contaminated. I usually fill the jar, same as Ive always done, and put the rods in for 50 minutes. Kate At 12:47 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: Mega agglomeration gone past yellow and blue into red. Made WAY too strong and way too fast is my guess. Some contaminants will do that too. What is that 'normal' way? ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSLaser Pointer
Hi Pat, I believe the RED laser to be better--I'm NOT convinced the other colored lights I've seen are laser. The $3 should be as good as the more expensive and I'd appreciate the source of this inexpensive red laser to share this info with others. Please read my Site Blogspot in which I offer FREE 3 pages of CS Uses and 1 page of CS Favorites to which I refer often. Let me know if I can be of help. ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 http://www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSLaser Pointer I just found out laser pointers come in different colors. Which should I buy? Also, are the $3 ones the same as the $30 ones as far as the light? Thanks, Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
CSFood Poisoning ( Rotten Hamburger )
Morning Marshall, At 10:14 AM 12/20/2005, you wrote: Why use something that takes a couple of hours? I have never found EIS to take more than 10 minutes. I can re post Bob Lee's post of a few years back relative to the spoiled hamburger. That is an attention getter for sure. I also have his great article on sweat on my website. I have tried to contact him within the last year and was unable to find him. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood Poisoning ( Rotten Hamburger )
My husband takes it anytime his stomach starts to give him problems from eating food and it has always taken only 20-30 minutes for releif. I have always treasured that story of Bob Lee's. It had me rolling. I too kept copies of it, but not sure where I tucked it away. G Murray Wayne Fugitt wrote: Morning Marshall, At 10:14 AM 12/20/2005, you wrote: Why use something that takes a couple of hours? I have never found EIS to take more than 10 minutes. I can re post Bob Lee's post of a few years back relative to the spoiled hamburger. That is an attention getter for sure. I also have his great article on sweat on my website. I have tried to contact him within the last year and was unable to find him. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSeves dropping
At 07:11 AM 12/20/2005, you wrote: You said it all, Ode! Thanks for an informational reply. I especially appreciated the historical context! I first learned about Echelon during the latter years of the Clinton administration, when I began to wake up and smell the coffee and also became adept at using the Internet. Big Brother also scans every single e-mail transmission. Heck, Rush was discussing yesterday that they can even lock onto transmissions of the baby monitors people have in their homes to listen to their infants from another room. The snoopers look for key words in e-mails such as bo-mb, etc. Anything that might yield information about terrorism or presumably even political non-correctness re: the people in power could trigger the system and make one be fair game for perusal. My friend's son, who was and still is a computer guru told me all about it back then and I don't imagine they have become less sophisticated in the interim. They have had nearly 60 years to perfect the tools of their trade. And Senator Boxer, and others who have piled on and are sanctimoniously attacking Bush, know it! But it makes good political fodder for those listening to such attackers who want to believe the worst. The New York Times, the self-righteous Dems, and anyone who would put our country in jeopardy willingly in exchange for political advantage know what Simon and Garfunkel sang years ago is true -- a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest! Now, then, if they hear of a better way to make, use, and get the word out about CS, we will all give Echelon three cheers. Marlys Get real! So what has the NSA top secret Echelon project [that so many people know about somehow] been doing for the past 40+ years other than scanning every satellite, Internet, radio, FAX and cell phone transmission that .suddenly makes it Bush's baby? Is this the Great Society legacy of Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson and the mobster smuggler Kennedys? Maybe not, but they sure didn't stop it. Echelons beginnings date from 1948. NSA started in 1952 under Harry Truman...another Democrat...and one of the main missions was to eavesdrop on steel mills to prevent a strike and everyone else later on using the Echelon system after the Supreme Court ruled that illegal..by placing control under a TOP SECRET agency [NSA] that doesn't report to the Supreme Court. The Crisis Mongers are apparently attempting to fill Georges can with their own crap legacy. Domestic Spying is most certainly not new news. Echelon listens to EVERYTHING in the air, all over the world. The only thing that George is doing differently is sharing the info with other agencies and not denying that the system exists. [but still doesn't utter the word Echelon] He also doesn't waste a lot of energy defending himself when he could and someone else would, were they in his shoes. The crisis mongers are confusing domestic wire taps with listening in to the public airwaves which is legal for anyone to do. Cell phone calls and police radios are regularly listened into by private individuals who own scanners. The only restrictions are about how the info is 'used' and there is a 72 hour window to get a retroactive warrant on info already collected should it be useful..which [so far as I can tell] includes domestic wire taps if the tap in not located inside a building. A warrant is obtained so the info can be used in court. Trans Oceanic cables are not domestic lines and anything broadcast is Public Domain. Planting bugs in a room is a different story being discussed with the advent of laser listening devices that don't attach to or enter into a building. Planting a bug requires a warrant to gain entry in order to plant the bug with no retroactive provision. There are no laws against anyone using a hearing aid, a vibrating window is a speaker and sounds broadcast in the air are Public Domain. Right or wrong aside Anyone with a desire to maintain privacy has known to use encryption and codes for a long long time. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLaser Pointer
In a message dated 12/20/05 10:13:27 AM Central Standard Time, pattycake29...@yahoo.com writes: I just found out laser pointers come in different colors. Which should I buy? ***Where did you find them? I haven't been able to. MA
CSAdding bicarb of soda to water for brewing
Adding a very small amount of baking soda to distilled water that has picked up some CO2 and formed carbonic acid is very interesting to analyze. CO2 + H2O - H2CO3 or carbonic acid NaHCO3 + H2CO3 - NaOH + 2CO2 + H2O If you don't add enough bicarb to neutralize all the carbonic acid, then you can get this reaction as well: 2NaOH + H2CO3 = Na2CO3 + 2H2O but then sodium carbonate should react with carbonic acid as well producing: Na2CO3 + H2CO3 - 2NaOH + 2CO2 Which puts us right back to the Sodium Hydroxide again. So unless I am mistaken, the smallest pinch possible of baking soda (or lye) would neutralize 100% of the carbonic acid in distilled water that has absorbed CO2, and as long as no more is added than is necessary to cause all the CO2 to be released, the effect will be a DECREASE in carbonate, not an increase. The sodium hydroxide acts as a catalyst to release CO2. I have put this question to some chemists for confirmation and should have a reply shortly. This appears to be a very interesting topic that needs more study. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood Poisoning ( Rotten Hamburger )
Wayne Fugitt wrote: Morning Marshall, At 10:14 AM 12/20/2005, you wrote: Why use something that takes a couple of hours? I have never found EIS to take more than 10 minutes. I can re post Bob Lee's post of a few years back relative to the spoiled hamburger. That is an attention getter for sure. I also have his great article on sweat on my website. I have tried to contact him within the last year and was unable to find him. Wayne YES, it is about time for a repost of that message for the newbies. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSeves dropping
E-mail Author Author Archive Send to a Friend Version December 20, 2005, 9:46 a.m. Clinton Claimed Authority to Order No-Warrant Searches Does anyone remember that? In a little-remembered debate from 1994, the Clinton administration argued that the president has inherent authority to order physical searches including break-ins at the homes of U.S. citizens for foreign intelligence purposes without any warrant or permission from any outside body. Even after the administration ultimately agreed with Congress's decision to place the authority to pre-approve such searches in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court, President Clinton still maintained that he had sufficient authority to order such searches on his own. The Department of Justice believes, and the case law supports, that the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes, Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee on July 14, 1994, and that the President may, as has been done, delegate this authority to the Attorney General. It is important to understand, Gorelick continued, that the rules and methodology for criminal searches are inconsistent with the collection of foreign intelligence and would unduly frustrate the president in carrying out his foreign intelligence responsibilities. Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan in 1981, provides for such warrantless searches directed against a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. Reporting the day after Gorelick's testimony, the Washington Post's headline on page A-19 read, Administration Backing No-Warrant Spy Searches. The story began, The Clinton administration, in a little-noticed facet of the debate on intelligence reforms, is seeking congressional authorization for U.S. spies to continue conducting clandestine searches at foreign embassies in Washington and other cities without a federal court order. The administration's quiet lobbying effort is aimed at modifying draft legislation that would require U.S. counterintelligence officials to get a court order before secretly snooping inside the homes or workplaces of suspected foreign agents or foreign powers. In her testimony, Gorelick made clear that the president believed he had the power to order warrantless searches for the purpose of gathering intelligence, even if there was no reason to believe that the search might uncover evidence of a crime. Intelligence is often long range, its exact targets are more difficult to identify, and its focus is less precise, Gorelick said. Information gathering for policy making and prevention, rather than prosecution, are its primary focus. The debate over warrantless searches came up after the case of CIA spy Aldrich Ames. Authorities had searched Ames's house without a warrant, and the Justice Department feared that Ames's lawyers would challenge the search in court. Meanwhile, Congress began discussing a measure under which the authorization for break-ins would be handled like the authorization for wiretaps, that is, by the FISA court. In her testimony, Gorelick signaled that the administration would go along a congressional decision to place such searches under the court if, as she testified, it does not restrict the president's ability to collect foreign intelligence necessary for the national security. In the end, Congress placed the searches under the FISA court, but the Clinton administration did not back down from its contention that the president had the authority to act when necessary.
Re: CSAdding bicarb of soda to water for brewing
Ignore this message, all the reactions are not thermodynamically possible. According to those more knowledeable than I on this what you would end up with would be CO2 continuing to exist in the water, both as CO3-- and HCO3-, with no evolution of CO2 at all. Nice idea, but unworkable. Marshall Marshall Dudley wrote: Adding a very small amount of baking soda to distilled water that has picked up some CO2 and formed carbonic acid is very interesting to analyze. CO2 + H2O - H2CO3 or carbonic acid NaHCO3 + H2CO3 - NaOH + 2CO2 + H2O If you don't add enough bicarb to neutralize all the carbonic acid, then you can get this reaction as well: 2NaOH + H2CO3 = Na2CO3 + 2H2O but then sodium carbonate should react with carbonic acid as well producing: Na2CO3 + H2CO3 - 2NaOH + 2CO2 Which puts us right back to the Sodium Hydroxide again. So unless I am mistaken, the smallest pinch possible of baking soda (or lye) would neutralize 100% of the carbonic acid in distilled water that has absorbed CO2, and as long as no more is added than is necessary to cause all the CO2 to be released, the effect will be a DECREASE in carbonate, not an increase. The sodium hydroxide acts as a catalyst to release CO2. I have put this question to some chemists for confirmation and should have a reply shortly. This appears to be a very interesting topic that needs more study. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCheap 3% or 35% food grade h2o2 ?
Richard, I was under the impression that the 3% h2o2 from the drugstore wasn't what I should be using. It sure would be cheaper and less hassle if it's okay to use the cheap 3% instead of the 35% food grade. Dana Hi Gwlynda, All H202 can be dangerous and explosive unless carefully handled. Many use food grade 35% H202, which I have never used, but which can be successfully diluted when carefully handled. Yes, I use the 3% H202 from the drugstore which is effective, and economical--Upon completion of generating my clear, very effective CS using ONLY pure ozonated, steam distilled water, 99.99% pure silver wires and love dc voltage--then testing with a red laser light for a Tyndall beam and a Hannah TDS-1 meter for a reading of 6 to 8 which x 2 = ppm, I label this 10 ppm , which is underrated, but assures that it's NOT over rated. To 1 gal. of this completed CS, I add 4 ml of 3% H202, which I'm told decreases the pathogen killing time from 4 to 6 hours to about 15 minutes. God has used this excellent CS/H202 to cure bladder cancer, diabetes and many other problems--Praise God! I believe ALL HEALING COMES FROM GOD!! Check my Site and Blogspot in which I offer FREE 3 pages of CS Uses and 1 page of CS Favorites to which I refer often. Let me know if I can be of help. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 http://www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Dave and Gwlynda Irek [mailto:bulld...@irek.cbeyond.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS Importance: High Please give me some clarification Is H2o2Topical Hydrogen Peroxide? I have heard of people putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the CSare they using Topical Hydrogen Peroxide that you put on external sores? I start making my CS at home and have been drinking it for about 6 months...I feel that the CS goes through my body to fast too and would like to get a deep affect from the CS. Thanks for your help Gwlynda -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLaser Pointer
Or... a regular flashlight with a cover with a pinhole will do nicely. I believe this was similar to the original conception. Chuck Politics: formed from the Greek poly, meaning many and ticks, meaning small blood-sucking insects On 12/21/2005 12:13:01 AM, Matthew McCann (mmcc...@franciscan.edu) wrote: There is an alternative to laser pointers for viewing the tyndall effect. It is the high intensity lead emitting diode flashlight, such as PALights. One vendor is http://www.wadwizard.com A typical price is about nineteen dollars. Colors available include red, white, blue and green. I find white and green to give the most noticeable TE. A possible advantage to using several monochromatic PALights and/or a polychromatic white PALight is that perhaps an acute observer could discern the effect of adding h2o2 to EIS as it changes the average diameter of suspended particulates. Eyeball spectroscopy, anyone? Matthew - Scanned for virus and spam by McAfee 3200 Appliance -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCheap 3% or 35% food grade h2o2 ?
Hi Gwlynda, As a FL Pharmacist for 58 years, I have only used 3% H202 USP and 6% H202 USP from drugstores and have gotten good results. I don't argue situations that work for me and this is one. Best wishes, ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 http://www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: d4...@valornet.com [mailto:d4...@valornet.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCheap 3% or 35% food grade h2o2 ? Richard, I was under the impression that the 3% h2o2 from the drugstore wasn't what I should be using. It sure would be cheaper and less hassle if it's okay to use the cheap 3% instead of the 35% food grade. Dana Hi Gwlynda, All H202 can be dangerous and explosive unless carefully handled. Many use food grade 35% H202, which I have never used, but which can be successfully diluted when carefully handled. Yes, I use the 3% H202 from the drugstore which is effective, and economical--Upon completion of generating my clear, very effective CS using ONLY pure ozonated, steam distilled water, 99.99% pure silver wires and love dc voltage--then testing with a red laser light for a Tyndall beam and a Hannah TDS-1 meter for a reading of 6 to 8 which x 2 = ppm, I label this 10 ppm , which is underrated, but assures that it's NOT over rated. To 1 gal. of this completed CS, I add 4 ml of 3% H202, which I'm told decreases the pathogen killing time from 4 to 6 hours to about 15 minutes. God has used this excellent CS/H202 to cure bladder cancer, diabetes and many other problems--Praise God! I believe ALL HEALING COMES FROM GOD!! Check my Site and Blogspot in which I offer FREE 3 pages of CS Uses and 1 page of CS Favorites to which I refer often. Let me know if I can be of help. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 http://www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Dave and Gwlynda Irek [mailto:bulld...@irek.cbeyond.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS Importance: High Please give me some clarification Is H2o2Topical Hydrogen Peroxide? I have heard of people putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the CSare they using Topical Hydrogen Peroxide that you put on external sores? I start making my CS at home and have been drinking it for about 6 months...I feel that the CS goes through my body to fast too and would like to get a deep affect from the CS. Thanks for your help Gwlynda -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLaser Pointers
This is where I saw a $3 laser pointer. www.WholesaleForEveryone.com I saw three laser pointers at Office Depot from $18 to 36. I want to be sure to get one that won't be too dangerous to the eyes. I read that they can cause retinal damage at www.mayoclinic.org/news2005-rst/2800.html and other places. The green and the blue ones are very expensive anyway. I probably wouldn't worry except that my 23 year old son loves to play with neat things so it's likely to get used a fair amount. Wonder if I could just use the laser picture hanger tool I have? I hate the Yahoo mail programit won't let me paste anything in here...but didn't want my Eudora box used for anything but personal mail. Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CSCheap 3% or 35% food grade h2o2 ?
I think it is important to NOT add too much H2O2. Hydrogen peroxide contains stabalizers, for instance my Walgreens brand produced by Cumberland Swan contains the following: r sodium Stannate tetrasodium pyrophosphate sodium nitrate dquest 2000 Information on H2O2 stablizers is at http://www.h2o2.com/intro/faq.html#4 Stabilizers are chelants and sequestrants which means they inactivate colloidal metals, which is not a good thing when adding to colloidal silver. It may also explain why when large amounts of H2O2 are added to EIS, the response can be different than when small amounts are added. Since stabalizers are in trace quantities in 3% H2O2 to start with, when only adding a couple of drops per glassful of EIS, they should be consumed with only a few ppb of the colloid being affected. But larger amounts could end up sequestering and chelating much or all the CS. Marshall Richard Harris wrote: Hi Gwlynda, As a FL Pharmacist for 58 years, I have only used 3% H202 USP and 6% H202 USP from drugstores and have gotten good results. I don't argue situations that work for me and this is one. Best wishes, ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 http://www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: d4...@valornet.com [mailto:d4...@valornet.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCheap 3% or 35% food grade h2o2 ? Richard, I was under the impression that the 3% h2o2 from the drugstore wasn't what I should be using. It sure would be cheaper and less hassle if it's okay to use the cheap 3% instead of the 35% food grade. Dana Hi Gwlynda, All H202 can be dangerous and explosive unless carefully handled. Many use food grade 35% H202, which I have never used, but which can be successfully diluted when carefully handled. Yes, I use the 3% H202 from the drugstore which is effective, and economical--Upon completion of generating my clear, very effective CS using ONLY pure ozonated, steam distilled water, 99.99% pure silver wires and love dc voltage--then testing with a red laser light for a Tyndall beam and a Hannah TDS-1 meter for a reading of 6 to 8 which x 2 = ppm, I label this 10 ppm , which is underrated, but assures that it's NOT over rated. To 1 gal. of this completed CS, I add 4 ml of 3% H202, which I'm told decreases the pathogen killing time from 4 to 6 hours to about 15 minutes. God has used this excellent CS/H202 to cure bladder cancer, diabetes and many other problems--Praise God! I believe ALL HEALING COMES FROM GOD!! Check my Site and Blogspot in which I offer FREE 3 pages of CS Uses and 1 page of CS Favorites to which I refer often. Let me know if I can be of help. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 http://www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Dave and Gwlynda Irek [mailto:bulld...@irek.cbeyond.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS Importance: High Please give me some clarification Is H2o2Topical Hydrogen Peroxide? I have heard of people putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the CSare they using Topical Hydrogen Peroxide that you put on external sores? I start making my CS at home and have been drinking it for about 6 months...I feel that the CS goes through my body to fast too and would like to get a deep affect from the CS. Thanks for your help Gwlynda -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSyellowish cloud
Hello CS Circle! Faith here again, now ready to fly to Colombia, for a well- earned, too short, Christmas holiday, then being united for a few days with wifee, who's weak, but doing fine after her operation. Thanks to all the well-meant reactions I received, and shall share with her! Well, maybe already mentioned, but I'll shoot anyway: What is that yellowish cloud I see on the bottom of my glass sometimes, when I brew my home- made CS? And: more important: Issit dangerous, should one leave the water for the Christmas tree, the flowers or the animals, or is not there any harm involved taking this colored CS? Thanks, and have a Great Great Christmas with all them red-nosed reindeer, presents and well wished wishes, and please!!! Do think of those unseen souls around us who could need an extra push, a warm piece of bread, or just our heart to open, and our ears to listen, okay? Faith and Luz _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE:CSFood Poisoning (quote-unquote)
I got food poisoning from the prison where I was working in Florida. When I woke up in the night I was very ill. I took 6 capsules of activated charcoal and 6 more in the morning and was able to go back to work. Five others stayed home unable to come to work. Since then, whenever I eat something that disagrees with we I take a few capsules of activated charcoal. I give them to the cat and dog when they have eaten something that gives them a stomach ache. I buy them from swansonsvitamins.com. Robert __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: CSInformation on EIS and CS
Congratulations, Marshall, on the clarity of your theory document! As your usual high quality ideas so generouwsly shared by You and other Experts on this list with us seekers--this document shines! Thank you for compiling this and completing this document with us! In the final Section: Theories on How EIS/CS kills pathogens--someone told me or I read and like the theory that when holding the oral CS or CS/Gatorade combination in mouth for 2 minutes before swallowing, Many CS Colloids penetrate under the tongue directly into the blood stream (like Nitroglycerin) and race along with their + charge looking for a pathogen with its - charge and attach--thousands of other CS Colloids join and there are so many CS colloids around each pathogen, until they suffocate the pathogen--thus killing and possibly bringing on a herxheimer effect until the bowel and kidney remove the killed pathogens. ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Ode Coyote wrote: Ode Coyote is a list and nik name that started being used when another 'Ken' joined the list. Is it OK to post the theory [with credits and links] on websites? Ken [Ode] Yes it is, but I would prefer if we wait until it is more complete, still working on it. So should I change the Ode to Ken in the credits? Marshall At 06:13 PM 4/19/2005 -0400, you wrote: OK, I have been working on a document that tries to bring a lot of what has been discussed here together into one concise and accurate document. It can be viewed at http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html First I would like to get everyone who has contributed to any of the information in this document listed in the top part. I know I have missed a bunch, so please speak up. Also is Ode Coyote a real name, or a psudonym? Secondly I would like everyone who has the technical expertise to critique it to do so. I want the document to be as accurate as possible, not a reflection of anyone's beliefs, including mine. If there are some things that can be legitimately displuted, let me know so I can clarify or correct it. If there are sections I need to add, or more information, please let me know. Also I need references to back up a lot of what is in there. I am trying to get and add those right now, but if anyone can provide links or references it would help. Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.1 - Release Date: 4/20/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005
CSRuined Hamburger and CS ( Bob Lee test from a few years back )
Evening Marshall, YES, it is about time for a repost of that message for the newbies. It is interesting to read again by the old timers. The original, by Bob Lee Subject:CS Walking the Walk, or The Dumb Guys By request( The wisdom of Bob Lee ) Wisdom ??? ! Greeting Glorious Ones of CS, A Test: Do not do this at home. A few military friends of mine got together last week for the usual yak-yak about military things. The talk came around to the anthrax shots. I opened my mouth and said they wouldn`t need them if all the military were taking CS. A long discussion then went on, at the end we had decided to set up a real he-man, macho, walk the walk test. Cold brew will do things to normally intelligent people. This was not a smart thing to do, but please consider who our small group is. One was me, Tai-Pan, ex-seal from Nam, One ex-Army Ranger, Shannon, from Desert Storm, and one ex-82nd Air Borne from Bosnia, Richard, (paratrooper). I`m the oldest, they are young guys. The test was to eat rotten meat and see if the CS would prevent problems. We agreed that if anyone became ill we would wait for at least a 103F fever before taking CS. If it (the CS) did not work we would go to the ER at a fever of 105f. The ER was only a few blocks away at Poly Ryan Hospital. Then we decided that one, Richard, would be the observer, and the other two would eat the rotten meat. Then we decided that one meat would be treated with CS and one not. OK, so here we go to Richard`s house and get the rotten meat he was going to throw out, it smelled very bad and strong. Richard is baching, so whats new. We made two patties of about 1/4 lb each, hamburger size. One was put in a bowl and CS poured over it and kneeded well in the CS and made into a patty again. The other one was untreated. We drew straws to see who got each patty. I got the CS one and Shannon got the untreated one. We ate them, with a little beer to blunt the taste of them. Really macho. :-) Then we waited. After half an hour Shannon developed a stomach ache, which proceeded to get worse. He had classical symptoms of food poisoning (botulism). I did not develop any symptoms at all. His temperature began to rise so we decided to use the CS right away at about 101.5 F. Gave Shannon four tablespoons of CS every 15 minutes for 90 minutes (1 1/2 hrs). Temperature held steady then began dropping, gave CS at four tablespoons every 30 minutes, and by the end of four hours he was feeling normal again. Continued CS at four tablespoons once an hour until the end of six hours just to make sure the botulism was gone. That was Saturday, now its Monday and still OK. CS was 9ppm, active. So what does it prove,(besides our dumb idea)? Well, the CS treated meat was rendered safe. Can treat rotten food in an emergency if need be with CS and use it. Proved it would stop botulism. I usually take CS before eating out anyway. Proved we should not drink so much at one time. Now Richard and Shannon are using CS. :-) Now I feel better about them and their health. Bless you Bob Lee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLaser Pointer
There is an alternative to laser pointers for viewing the tyndall effect. It is the high intensity lead emitting diode flashlight, such as PALights. One vendor is http://www.wadwizard.com A typical price is about nineteen dollars. Colors available include red, white, blue and green. I find white and green to give the most noticeable TE. A possible advantage to using several monochromatic PALights and/or a polychromatic white PALight is that perhaps an acute observer could discern the effect of adding h2o2 to EIS as it changes the average diameter of suspended particulates. Eyeball spectroscopy, anyone? Matthew Scanned for virus and spam by McAfee 3200 Appliance
Re: CSH2O2 and EIS
Thanks. I dove in and have been using it. It did clear up quite a bit. It is just a light yellowish brown now. I'm trying to get rid of a cold. I'm using 2 tablespoons about 3 times a day. I'm not sure it's doing anything though. My cough is driving me nuts! Shelli - Original Message - From: Nancy DeLise nancym...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:50 PM Subject: Re: CSH2O2 and EIS I would add a little more H2o2Yes, you can use the CS. It is better now than when you first made it if it is still clearing up. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: ***Possible Spam*** Re: CSRe: Heating CS
Everybody look into iron pyrite/Fools Gold to reduce electronic polution. - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: CSRE: ***Possible Spam*** Re: CSRe: Heating CS According to Swiss Scientist Hans Hertel, microwave ovens cause literally bad vibes to be imposed on the substances. -Original Message- From: V [mailto:vzo...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:15 AM To: Kelburn Koontz Subject: ***Possible Spam*** Re: CSRe: Heating CS It is a myth about puttnig metal object in a microwave. It can be done if you jsut follow a few simple rules. Spoons are ok but forks are not. and any metal can not be anywhere near the wall of the microwave. you can put an opened metal can of food in there to heat it and it will work it jsut takes a lot longer becaues the microwaves only come in the can from the top. and then also you have to completely remove the top of the can. Being what the rules are for metal in a microwave I wolud not put CS in there. the basic rule is that any metal must be smooth and contiguous like a spoon is an example but a fork has tines where the metal has spaces and sparks will jump between the tines and caues a problem and thin foil is also a problem as is any ceramicware with metalic paint on it. Take care, V That is a good question. I know one is not supposed to put metal objects in the microwave. How about teeny tiny metal objects suspended in water? Kel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --
RE: CSInformation on EIS and CS
Hi Richard and Marshall, What is your opinion about this commentary. It is from an Herbal list. I thought the comments about CSilver are interesting, especially for those who use daily it in larger quantities. Carol Ann And, someone on another list asked for help with candida, and at the time I was watching a School of Natural Healing video, by David Christopher, on Super Immunity in which he addresses candida. Here's my shortened version of what he says: Candida is necessary in our intestines to break down sugar and alcohol. When we use antibiotics (including heavy metals internally, like colloidal silver, mercury) those wipe out all the good bacteria, leaving the candida all kinds of room to take over. The candida lives on sugar and alcohol -- if you don't have a good diet, candida could just continue to over-grow, until it eats holes right through the intestinal walls and get into the blood stream, becoming systemic. A candida overgrowth CAN MIMIC ANY disease, and be difficult to diagnose. To restablish the good flora, avoid (obviously) sugar and alcohol, and also foods that quickly turn into sugar, like potatoes, white rice, dairy products (REAL yogurt -- not the store bought -- might be okay. I'm also wondering if Kefir and the Finnish 'drink' viili would be equal to good homemade yogurt - which you need starter cultures for). Suggested candida diet is brown rice and vegies -- complex carbs easily broken down by the body. Fermented foods re-establish the friendly flora -- eat sauerkraut, kimchi, rejuvalac. Extra B vitamins, maybe in the form of nutritional yeast. Eat organic produce -- they have beneficial flora on their skins, where most commercial produce do not because of pesticides and other treatments. (Plus, he said he saw a kid spraying Black Flag over the produce in the grocery store once!!! yeeeks!) And something else he added that I thought was quite interesting -- all chronic fatigue patients have candida problems (CF typically follows a candida overgrowth). So re-establish those friendly bacteria and you're on your way to curing or preventing that problem too. My little knowledge of fibro and chronic fatigue tells me they might be similar enough to consider the candida possibility in both cases. So putting that all together, if David Christopher is correct that Colloidal Silver also kills the beneficial bacteria in our digestive system, allowing Candida yeast to multiply and take over, you would be doing yourself more harm than good by taking the CS if you're not replenishing the good bacteria right away. And I thought it's interesting that Candida can mimic any disease. Hope this helps. Anxious to hear people's thoughts on this -- I'm on digest and don't always have time to read the list, but will check back as I can. Nancy Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Congratulations, Marshall, on the clarity of your theory document! As your usual high quality ideas so generouwsly shared by You and other Experts on this list with us seekers--this document shines! Thank you for compiling this and completing this document with us! In the final Section: Theories on How EIS/CS kills pathogens--someone told me or I read and like the theory that when holding the oral CS or CS/Gatorade combination in mouth for 2 minutes before swallowing, Many CS Colloids penetrate under the tongue directly into the blood stream (like Nitroglycerin) and race along with their + charge looking for a pathogen with its - charge and attach--thousands of other CS Colloids join and there are so many CS colloids around each pathogen, until they suffocate the pathogen--thus killing and possibly bringing on a herxheimer effect until the bowel and kidney remove the killed pathogens. ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Ode Coyote wrote: Ode Coyote is a list and nik name that started being used when another 'Ken' joined the list. Is it OK to post the theory [with credits and links] on websites? Ken [Ode] Yes it is, but I would prefer if we wait until it is more complete, still working on it. So should I change the Ode to Ken in the credits? Marshall At 06:13 PM 4/19/2005 -0400, you wrote: OK, I have been working on a document that tries to bring a lot of what has been discussed here together into one concise and accurate document. It can be viewed at http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html First I would like to get everyone who has contributed to any of the information in this document listed in the
Re: CSLaser Pointers
I bought 10 laser pointers with batteries for $10.00 at the dollar store. Go to the counter and ask, they were behind the check out. I got one nice one at Walgreens too for $10.00 with batteries. Don't spend big bucks on a pointer, my cheep'ies all have lasted for a few years now. Tel Tofflemire Dewey AZ - Original Message - From: Pat To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: CSLaser Pointers This is where I saw a $3 laser pointer. www.WholesaleForEveryone.com I saw three laser pointers at Office Depot from $18 to 36. I want to be sure to get one that won't be too dangerous to the eyes. I read that they can cause retinal damage atwww.mayoclinic.org/news2005-rst/2800.html and other places. The green and the blue ones are very expensive anyway. I probably wouldn't worry except that my 23 year old son loves to play with neat things so it's likely to get used a fair amount. Wonder if I could just use the laser picture hanger tool I have? I hate the Yahoo mail programit won't let me paste anything in here...but didn't want my Eudora box used for anything but personal mail. Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
My opinion of Michael Moore, based on the information he had available before making his 911 film, and the information he included in his film, is a sold-out disinformation shill. Jim -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers I read not so long ago that Michael Moore is working about a documentary about American medical care, and may include a segment about the suppression of the excellent altcancer.com/Alpha Omega Labs. I have a very healthy respect for the work that company did, and I believe they were telling the truth and saving lives.The FDA suppression of the company was, in my view, a perfectly legal criminal act. I also believe that First Amendment protections and the power of the internet mean that informed consumers will be able to purchase or make their own Cancema. One list member suggested a site for users to exchange information. This would be a great project, given that much of the power of Altcancer.com came from their extensive testimonials, both written and visual (photos and even videos.) I do not know what has happened to Greg Caton (aka James Carr), but I hope he is well and still in the fight. On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 09:37 Asia/Tokyo, Laurie wrote: Please do not be deparaging of others in this instance. I have been watching the threads of Cansema cancer healing here with some interest. I cured myself of cancer 2 years ago using the cream. In my case, it was a very painful process because the cancer cells were like fingers into my body and the salve pulled the cells to the surface, but created quite a cavity in doing so. I DID NOT go for conventional medical care because I knew that only cutting, burning and poisoning would be recommended along with being SCARED TO DEATH by the so called Health Care Providers without solving the health issue, would not serve my highest and greatest good. However, shortly after I ordered and received my Cansema cream, my supplier was INCARCERATED, accused of practicing medicine without a license. This man had only used the cream to cure himself and then sent it to others at their request...just like what is happening on this list. DO NOT think governmental fear programs are not keeping an eye out for this sort of thing. He was there for over 6 months, his web site was shut down, and the people answering the phone were quite frightened. Please respect others in their attempts to help and heal each other, but lets keep ALL of us out of jail! Understand that the FEAR attached to the word CANCER is what can kill, not the cancer itself. Cancer is just undirected energy. Give the cells direction, as they are very intelligent, as part of the healing process, and discover what the cancer is teaching you in the first place. Laurie Transform Your Life with the Blink of your Eyes Laurie Solisz, RN Healing Science Practitioner http://www.barbarabrennan.com Professional Rapid Eye Technician http://www.rapideyetechnology.com Affecting world health one person at a time http://www.lovehealth.matol.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCansema Paste
The presidency has been a military dictatorship since 1862. He has the authority to do whatever the he chooses -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCansema Paste Amen. According the mainstream news reports, President Bush has admitted his repeated and willful violations of the law in ordering spying on American citizens; according to AP, the FBI admits that most of the more than 10,000 were not suspected of any wrongdoing. Only a handful of persons knows the true purpose of these illegal actions. I would go so far as to assume that every person on our list may be monitored by someone. When the truth finally comes out, there may be some changes in government. On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 22:07 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Big brother is watching us all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers
The government is just the biggest, most ruthless, and well armed criminal gang. -Original Message- From: Raine [mailto:rainelov...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:56 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers Thank you, Laurie. I am protecting my source as she is my friend and I have no interest in seeing her arrested. I just wanted my fellow list-members to realize that, much like CS, black salve can be a do-it-youself thing, and we all are a bunch of do-it-yourselfers. -Raine Laurie wrote: snip However, shortly after I ordered and received my Cansema cream, my supplier was INCARCERATED, accused of practicing medicine without a license. This man had only used the cream to cure himself and then sent it to others at their request...just like what is happening on this list. DO NOT think governmental fear programs are not keeping an eye out for this sort of thing. He was there for over 6 months, his web site was shut down, and the people answering the phone were quite frightened. Please respect others in their attempts to help and heal each other, but lets keep ALL of us out of jail! snip Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve -- suppliers Now there's a big help! --- Raine rainelov...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I get it from a woman I know who makes it. -Raine http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=95252
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2005 #835
... As long as we make crystal clear CS/EIS, a large part of it will be Nanosilver. ... Terry Chamberlin ok Terry... so how do we go about making crystal clear CS/EIS ? can i expect to obtain such a product by using a colloidal master 777? tia dc -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: eves dropping
Why isn't this thread on the OT list where it belongs? jr -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/05 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSproduct to nancy-web site to lea ann
Andrea, send me your email and I will send a picture that will help explain what happens when you add H2o2.. nancym...@prodigy.net Nancy - Original Message - From: Greg Ball To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: Re: CSproduct to nancy-web site to lea ann Hi Nancy and all - I don't know if I'm getting all my messages because I think I'm missing some info here. I would like to understand the H202 thing better. Does everyone agree that H202 breaks down the particle sizes? Does it actually stop clumping, or is it doing something to the individual silver particles? Also, I think someone said 1 drop per 2 ounces of silver water. Is this what everyone is doing - or are others using different amounts. Thanks - Andrea - Original Message - From: Betsy Coffey To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: CSproduct to nancy-web site to lea ann Thanks Nacny. I guess I didnt realize that the h202 added was to break down the particles in the cs. I somehow thought that it was added as an extra medicinal way to kill bacteria and fungi. The product I was referring to is called stomach rescue. Lea Ann, have you googled rarediseases.org for your friends illness? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005
RE: CSproduct to nancy-web site to lea ann
Nancy Please post the picture so we all can understand the effect of using H2o2...Thanks - Gwlynda _ From: Nancy DeLise [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSproduct to nancy-web site to lea ann Andrea, send me your email and I will send a picture that will help explain what happens when you add H2o2.. nancym...@prodigy.net Nancy - Original Message - From: Greg Ball mailto:granb...@msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: Re: CSproduct to nancy-web site to lea ann Hi Nancy and all - I don't know if I'm getting all my messages because I think I'm missing some info here. I would like to understand the H202 thing better. Does everyone agree that H202 breaks down the particle sizes? Does it actually stop clumping, or is it doing something to the individual silver particles? Also, I think someone said 1 drop per 2 ounces of silver water. Is this what everyone is doing - or are others using different amounts. Thanks - Andrea - Original Message - From: Betsy Coffey mailto:latimergi...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: CSproduct to nancy-web site to lea ann Thanks Nacny. I guess I didnt realize that the h202 added was to break down the particles in the cs. I somehow thought that it was added as an extra medicinal way to kill bacteria and fungi. The product I was referring to is called stomach rescue. Lea Ann, have you googled rarediseases.org for your friends illness? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005
Re: CSRE: CS-, Black Salve/cansema - encyclopedia article about cansema.
Errrm - what did the article say? How did you get to it? Handy site for other stuff, but I couldn't get it to give me anything about Cansema! Rowena Here you go seekers, a free look up for most all things. Simple to use. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/cansema -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: CS-, Black Salve/cansema - encyclopedia articleabout cansema.
You must do a little work for yourself...This site is a Dictionary-Encyclopedia-medical look up and more...how do you get to it? You type in what your looking for or you read the index and click. good luck Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. - Original Message - From: Rowena To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:44 PM Subject: Re: CSRE: CS-, Black Salve/cansema - encyclopedia articleabout cansema. Errrm - what did the article say? How did you get to it? Handy site for other stuff, but I couldn't get it to give me anything about Cansema! Rowena Here you go seekers, a free look up for most all things. Simple to use. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/cansema -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAdding bicarb of soda to water for brewing
What is the overall result of adding sodium hydrogen carbonate to .4 PPM TDS distilled and then using that water to make CS? Jim -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAdding bicarb of soda to water for brewing Ignore this message, all the reactions are not thermodynamically possible. According to those more knowledeable than I on this what you would end up with would be CO2 continuing to exist in the water, both as CO3-- and HCO3-, with no evolution of CO2 at all. Nice idea, but unworkable. Marshall Marshall Dudley wrote: Adding a very small amount of baking soda to distilled water that has picked up some CO2 and formed carbonic acid is very interesting to analyze. CO2 + H2O - H2CO3 or carbonic acid NaHCO3 + H2CO3 - NaOH + 2CO2 + H2O If you don't add enough bicarb to neutralize all the carbonic acid, then you can get this reaction as well: 2NaOH + H2CO3 = Na2CO3 + 2H2O but then sodium carbonate should react with carbonic acid as well producing: Na2CO3 + H2CO3 - 2NaOH + 2CO2 Which puts us right back to the Sodium Hydroxide again. So unless I am mistaken, the smallest pinch possible of baking soda (or lye) would neutralize 100% of the carbonic acid in distilled water that has absorbed CO2, and as long as no more is added than is necessary to cause all the CO2 to be released, the effect will be a DECREASE in carbonate, not an increase. The sodium hydroxide acts as a catalyst to release CO2. I have put this question to some chemists for confirmation and should have a reply shortly. This appears to be a very interesting topic that needs more study. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSeves dropping
It is important that we share this sort of info. But this belongs on the OT list. Jim -Original Message- From: Linda Ellis [mailto:lellis4...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSeves dropping http://www.nationalreview.com/images/page_2002_york.gif E-mail mailto:by...@nationalreview.com Author Author http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york-archive.asp Archive Send http://www.nationalreview.com/email_friend/email-friend.p to a Friend Version http://www.nationalreview.com/images/spacer.gif http://www.nationalreview.com/images/spacer.gif http://www.nationalreview.com/images/spacer.gif December 20, 2005, 9:46 a.m. Clinton Claimed Authority to Order No-Warrant Searches Does anyone remember that? In a little-remembered debate from 1994, the Clinton administration argued that the president has inherent authority to order physical searches - including break-ins at the homes of U.S. citizens - for foreign intelligence purposes without any warrant or permission from any outside body. Even after the administration ultimately agreed with Congress's decision to place the authority to pre-ap! prove such searches in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court, President Clinton still maintained that he had sufficient authority to order such searches on his own. The Department of Justice believes, and the case law supports, that the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes, Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee on July 14, 1994, and that the President may, as has been done, delegate this authority to the Attorney General. It is important to understand, Gorelick continued, that the rules and methodology for criminal searches are inconsistent with the collection of foreign intelligence and would unduly frustrate the president in carrying out his foreign intelligence responsibilities. Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan in 1981, provides for such warrantless searches directed against a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. Reporting the day after Gorelick's testimony, the Washington Post's headline - on page A-19 - read, Administration Backing No-Warrant Spy Searches. The story began, The Clinton administration, in a little-noticed facet of the debate on intelligence reforms, is seeking congressional authorization for U.S. spies to continue conducting clandestine searches at foreign embassies in Washington and other cities without a federal court order. The administration's quiet lobbying effort is aimed at modifying draft legislation that would require U.S. counterintelligence officials to get a court order before secretly snooping inside the homes or workplaces of suspected foreign agents or foreign powers. In her testimony, Gorelick made clear that the president believed he had the power to order warrantless searches for the purpose of gathering intel! ligence, even if there was no reason to believe that the search might uncover evidence of a crime. Intelligence is often long range, its exact targets are more difficult to identify, and its focus is less precise, Gorelick said. Information gathering for policy making and prevention, rather than prosecution, are its primary focus. The debate over warrantless searches came up after the case of CIA spy Aldrich Ames. Authorities had searched Ames's house without a warrant, and the Justice Department feared that Ames's lawyers would challenge the search in court. Meanwhile, Congress began discussing a measure under which the authorization for break-ins would be handled like the authorization for wiretaps, that is, by the FISA court. In her testimony, Gorelick signaled that the administration would go along a congressional decision to place such searches under the court - if, as she testified, it does not restrict the president's ability to collect foreign intelligence n! ecessary for the national security. In the end, Congress placed the searches under the FISA court, but the Clinton administration did not back down from its contention that the president had the authority to act when necessary.
Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE
The have a toll free number 888-328-8840 - Original Message - From: Connie Howard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE Nancy... your comments regarding Sovereign Silver peeked my interest... I'm still working on a good treatment for my Cats who have upper respiratory problems. Though they have improved significantly using my homemade CS I thought adding Sovereign Silver may up their comfort level... could you let me know where you get your Sovereign Silver thanks so much connie On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:34:15 -0600 Nancy DeLise nancym...@prodigy.net writes: I took 16- 20 oz. of my home made Cs for 2 1/2 years. When I learned about Sovereign Silver, I took 2 teaspoons four times a day. Now that I am about 90 % cured of my MS, I take 8 oz. of my home made in the morning and 2 teaspoons of Sovereign Silver two times a day.(MS is a virus and I would never stop completely) As far as the H2o2, I put 1 drop of H2o2 into 2 oz. of CS and let it sit for about 15 minutes. The H2o2 interacts with the silver and causes the particles to break up into much smaller particles, and more of it gets utilized by the body rather then just going thru quickly. Nancy - Original Message - From: Greg Ball To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE Nancy - I may have missed this in another post, but how much sovereign did you take, and did you combine that with homemade? Also, how did you make your homemade silver? Lastly, why mix the silver with the H202? I have an ozone machine and can drink ozone water. Would this be the same because it ads oxygen? or is there something about the peroxide that's unique? Does it combine somehow with the silver? Thanks so much for sharing! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.2/208 - Release Date: 12/20/2005
Re: CSH2O2 and EIS
As soon as you feel cold symptoms you need to take about an ounce of CS every hour. Gargle with it, spray it in your eyes, put a drop in each nostril, put a drop in each ear. Three times a day is not enough at the onset of a cold. Nancy - Original Message - From: Shelli me...@insightbb.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: Re: CSH2O2 and EIS Thanks. I dove in and have been using it. It did clear up quite a bit. It is just a light yellowish brown now. I'm trying to get rid of a cold. I'm using 2 tablespoons about 3 times a day. I'm not sure it's doing anything though. My cough is driving me nuts! Shelli - Original Message - From: Nancy DeLise nancym...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:50 PM Subject: Re: CSH2O2 and EIS I would add a little more H2o2Yes, you can use the CS. It is better now than when you first made it if it is still clearing up. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.2/208 - Release Date: 12/20/2005
Re: CSproduct to nancy-web site to lea ann
I have tried to post it, but it is best as an attachment and they do not work on the list. I will be happy to send to anyone who wouod care to see it. Nancy - Original Message - From: Dave and Gwlynda Irek To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: RE: CSproduct to nancy-web site to lea ann Nancy Please post the picture so we all can understand the effect of using H2o2...Thanks - Gwlynda -- From: Nancy DeLise [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSproduct to nancy-web site to lea ann Andrea, send me your email and I will send a picture that will help explain what happens when you add H2o2.. nancym...@prodigy.net Nancy - Original Message - From: Greg Ball To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: Re: CSproduct to nancy-web site to lea ann Hi Nancy and all - I don't know if I'm getting all my messages because I think I'm missing some info here. I would like to understand the H202 thing better. Does everyone agree that H202 breaks down the particle sizes? Does it actually stop clumping, or is it doing something to the individual silver particles? Also, I think someone said 1 drop per 2 ounces of silver water. Is this what everyone is doing - or are others using different amounts. Thanks - Andrea - Original Message - From: Betsy Coffey To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: CSproduct to nancy-web site to lea ann Thanks Nacny. I guess I didnt realize that the h202 added was to break down the particles in the cs. I somehow thought that it was added as an extra medicinal way to kill bacteria and fungi. The product I was referring to is called stomach rescue. Lea Ann, have you googled rarediseases.org for your friends illness? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.2/208 - Release Date: 12/20/2005
Re: CSRE: CS-, Black Salve/cansema - encyclopediaarticleabout cansema.
Well, I clicked away but nothing came up for cansema. You definitely got an article up about cansema, did you? R http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/cansema Ted said: You must do a little work for yourself... This site is a Dictionary-Encyclopedia-medical look up and more...how do you get to it? You type in what your looking for or you read the index and click. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
