Re: CSD3 fro Flu Prevention

2009-09-30 Thread myro22
My naturopath has me on 5000 IU of D3 daily here in Alaska, even in the 
summertime with the sun out all day and night.  She indicates that the body 
doesn't absorb all the D it needs from the just the sun.  I haven't 
specifically talked to her about H1N1.  However, the 5000 IU's are supposed to 
be effective in keeping me free of normal flu.  I have been following this 
regiment successfully for about a year without a flu.  No, I do not intend to 
get any flu sots.

Mari

Well, I had not seen any recommended dosages, and had read that 15 
minutes in the noon sun will produce 40,000 units, and that once you 
have that amount the conversion shuts down.  So I figured that if I got 
to 50% of what the sun produces, it should offer me pretty good 
protection, and still be 50% below any possible toxic level. I could be 
off base. I was surprised to see others are taking about 1/5 that 
amount, so I may back down (well actually since the capsules are 5,000 
each, I cannot back down to below that amount until I get some lower 
dosage ones).

Here is information on the safe levels of vitamin D: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_D

Marshall

Garnet wrote:
 Are you dividing your dose or taking it all at the same time?

 I have not heard of anyone taking 20,000 iu? Is that an idea
 you just decided to try or did hear of it somewhere? Just
 curious.

 Garnet

 Marshall Dudley wrote:
  Yes, I have avoided everything, with seemingly everyone else sick 
 around
  me. I have been taking 5,000 a day, then upping it to 20,000 when I am
  out and around a crowd of sick people.
 
  Marshall
 
  Garnet wrote:
  Vit D3 is the best flu preventative, 400 iu for kids and 2000 iu for
  adults.
 
  You can order here and they will give you 400 tabs free for your kids.
 
  http://www.vitamind3world.com/Vitamin_D_Buy_cancer_diabetes_MS.html
 
  Garnet

Re: CSD3 fro Flu Prevention

2009-09-30 Thread myro22
My naturopath has me on 5000 IU of D3 daily here in Alaska, even in the 
summertime with the sun out all day and night.  She indicates that the body 
doesn't absorb all the D it needs from the just the sun.  I haven't 
specifically talked to her about H1N1.  However, the 5000 IU's are supposed to 
be effective in keeping me free of normal flu.  I have been following this 
regiment successfully for about a year without a flu.  No, I do not intend to 
get any flu sots.

Mari

Well, I had not seen any recommended dosages, and had read that 15 
minutes in the noon sun will produce 40,000 units, and that once you 
have that amount the conversion shuts down.  So I figured that if I got 
to 50% of what the sun produces, it should offer me pretty good 
protection, and still be 50% below any possible toxic level. I could be 
off base. I was surprised to see others are taking about 1/5 that 
amount, so I may back down (well actually since the capsules are 5,000 
each, I cannot back down to below that amount until I get some lower 
dosage ones).

Here is information on the safe levels of vitamin D: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_D

Marshall

Garnet wrote:
 Are you dividing your dose or taking it all at the same time?

 I have not heard of anyone taking 20,000 iu? Is that an idea
 you just decided to try or did hear of it somewhere? Just
 curious.

 Garnet

 Marshall Dudley wrote:
  Yes, I have avoided everything, with seemingly everyone else sick 
 around
  me. I have been taking 5,000 a day, then upping it to 20,000 when I am
  out and around a crowd of sick people.
 
  Marshall
 
  Garnet wrote:
  Vit D3 is the best flu preventative, 400 iu for kids and 2000 iu for
  adults.
 
  You can order here and they will give you 400 tabs free for your kids.
 
  http://www.vitamind3world.com/Vitamin_D_Buy_cancer_diabetes_MS.html
 
  Garnet

RE: CSExtraction Methods for Peperine

2009-09-30 Thread Dianne France

Is it possible to make with without using the microwave?  Can you use a toaster 
oven or regular oven?  

 

Dianne
 


Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:18:21 -0500
From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSExtraction Methods for Peperine




Just FYI. Some surprisingly easy methods for extracting Peperine from black 
pepper from http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread.php?t=25598.

 - Steve N 

Black pepper, by itself, is not a very efficient way to increase the uptake of 
curcumin. Piperine makes up only about 3% mass (dry) of the pepper. The 
breakdown of the pepper material will also cause a lag in piperine 
availability. Extraction is neccessary.

I have a great deal of experience extracting piperine using househould items 
and have 27g of pure yellow crystals sitting on my desk at this moment. Here is 
how I do it.

Microwave(*1) ~100g of crushed black pepper spread out on a plate; make sure 
you have a small glass of water also in the microwave to prevent feedback to 
the magnetron. Shake this microwaved pepper in a mason jar with either 
denatured alcohol from a harware store or anhydrous isopropyl alcohol(*2) (IPA, 
rubbing alcohol) for about 10 minutes.

You now need to filter out the solids from this mix. I usually make a two stage 
filter out of the top half of a 1 liter water bottle, a generic cooking funnel, 
and a few coffee filters.

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/5346/filtersetup1rt.gif

Once this finishes filtering you can then evaporate the solvents off the 
piperine by pouring the solution into a pan with a large surface area and very 
gently heating it (I sometimes just let it sit without heat for a day or so 
when lazy). This should leave you with a sticky yellow crystaline substance 
with bits of brown gel mixed in (this brown is chavacine, responsible for the 
smell of pepper). Scrape this mix up and disolve in acetone, filter again, then 
recrystalize by either evaporating off the solvent or dumping the solution into 
a liter or two of ice cold water.

This should leave you with fairly pure piperine.

(1) Microwaving black pepper in a non-polar solvent (or by itself) will tend to 
cause cell rupture allowing for easier extraction of piperine. 
http://rapidshare.de/files/6610631/Microwave_assisted_extraction_of_piperine.pdf.html

(2) You can make dry IPA fairly easily. Buy epsom salts from a grocery store 
and heat in the oven for ~15 minutes to drive off moisture. Put an appreciable 
amount of now dry epsom salts into the rubbing alcohol and shake like mad for a 
minute. Filter the mix and you should have pure IPA without water. It's best to 
start with 91% IPA if possible but 70% will do.
  
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Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Fuzzmom
It was..pretty much for everything but I didn't think it was still the same...I 
thought it had undergone several changes since..aybe ot? I've also heard it's 
good for fleas? Is it? ive tried Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but 
not very fast and i am allergic to them. A mom dog brought them with her when 
dropped off and now the whole house has! Can you Bathe..diluted in it? And will 
silver..or can silver..help with fleas? Worms..etc? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Melly Bag 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax


I thought that is the scientific name of boron, isn't it? If you go to 
the 20 Mule website, it states that once  upon a time before FDA rules were in 
place, their product was used for health reasons.

Melly  

--- On Tue, 9/29/09, Acmeair res00...@verizon.net wrote:


  From: Acmeair res00...@verizon.net
  Subject: Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 4:38 PM



  we went thru this situation a year or so ago. many supporters of 
using up to the first finger joint for a dose. you have peeked my interest, 
so i checked my 20 mule team Borax natural laundry booster.  a caution,   
contains sodium tetraborate decahydrate, anyone know what that is?
jim


  Sep 29, 2009 12:07:17 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:

I use borax as a source for dietary boron and I know of no 
negatives.
- Steve N 

-Original Message-
From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:01 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSOT boron and borax


Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of borax as a
dietary source of boron??? Have read that just one joint of the 
index
finger coated with borax and popped into the mouth will give enough
boron to suffice for daily needs. Need confirmation as to this
information. tia pj





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Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Sam L.
If you sprinkle (flour shifter works) borax on your carpet and let sit
overnight it will kill the fleas, vacuum well the next day and repeat a few
days later.Might need to do this every week or two until you have it under
control. Do not put it on your dogs.

Sam L.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Fuzzmom fuzzm...@frontier.com wrote:

  It was..pretty much for everything but I didn't think it was still the
 same...I thought it had undergone several changes since..aybe ot? I've also
 heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried Everything..diatomaceous earth
 works some but not very fast and i am allergic to them. A mom dog brought
 them with her when dropped off and now the whole house has! Can you
 Bathe..diluted in it? And will silver..or can silver..help with fleas?
 Worms..etc?

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:56 PM
 *Subject:* Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax

   I thought that is the scientific name of boron, isn't it? If you go to
 the 20 Mule website, it states that once  upon a time before FDA rules were
 in place, their product was used for health reasons.

 Melly

 --- On *Tue, 9/29/09, Acmeair res00...@verizon.net* wrote:


 From: Acmeair res00...@verizon.net
 Subject: Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 4:38 PM


 we went thru this situation a year or so ago. many supporters of using up
 to the first finger joint for a dose. you have peeked my interest, so i
 checked my 20 mule team Borax natural laundry booster.  a caution,
 contains sodium tetraborate decahydrate, anyone know what that
 is?jim


 Sep 29, 2009 12:07:17 PM, 
 silver-list@eskimo.comhttp://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.comwrote:

 I use borax as a source for dietary boron and I know of no negatives.
 - Steve N

 -Original Message-
 From: Shirley Reed 
 [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.comhttp://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pj20...@yahoo.com]

 Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:01 PM
 To: 
 silver-list@eskimo.comhttp://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSOT boron and borax


 Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of borax as a
 dietary source of boron??? Have read that just one joint of the index
 finger coated with borax and popped into the mouth will give enough
 boron to suffice for daily needs. Need confirmation as to this
 information. tia pj





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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Fuzzmom
concentrated drops? Um..where do you get them and what are they? I mean 
what's the difference.
- Original Message - 
From: Garnet gar...@grandecom.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax



I use Concentrace drops in the distilled drinking water that
I make myself.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:

then how do you take it as a supplement/
- Original Message - From: frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax



Borax IS NOT safe to eat
Frank ND

Fuzzmom wrote:

Isn't borax a laundry soap is it safe to eat/

- Original Message -
*From:* Melly Bag mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSOT boron and borax

I use borax to wash my kitchen countertops and floor also in the
laundry as it is a good disinfectant - like chlorine.  Why don't
you just buy the supplement Boron.  There is a liquid supplement
of  silica with boron which i take by jarrows.

Melly

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mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com/* wrote:


From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com
Subject: CSOT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:01 PM

   Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of
borax as a dietary source of boron???  Have read that just one
joint of the index finger coated with borax and popped into
the mouth will give enough boron to suffice for daily needs.
Need confirmation as to this information.  tia  pj





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Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Kirsteen Wright
  I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried
 Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am
 allergic to them.


I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for fleas. I
don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get rid of
them, it keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until i discovered
it, as the cats would bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried
pennyroyal on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free.
I'd also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the cracks in
the floorboards (we had varnished floors).

I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could literally
see clouds of fleas leaping off it.

good luck
Kirsteen


Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread zoe w
Borax  does kill the fleas  but not the eggs  which is why you have to 
do it again  in a few days. Twice was all I needed to get permanent 
riddance.


zoe

Kirsteen Wright wrote:


 I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i
am allergic to them.


I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for fleas. 
I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get 
rid of them, it keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until 
i discovered it, as the cats would bring them in. After that, I always 
spread some dried pennyroyal on the mattressess under the sheets and 
this kept the beds free. I'd also sprinkle some on the floors and then 
sweep it into the cracks in the floorboards (we had varnished floors).


I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub 
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could 
literally see clouds of fleas leaping off it. 


good luck
Kirsteen





Re: CSSeptic Tank Safety

2009-09-30 Thread Kirsteen Wright
2009/9/30 zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk


 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/

 Wonderful collections of stories here,   some old,  some new.

 Thank you for this link. i have only just joined and already am entranced
reading the posts.

Thank you
Kirsteen


Re: CSSeptic Tank Safety

2009-09-30 Thread zoe w

 ;-)

Kirsteen Wright wrote:



2009/9/30 zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk mailto:mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/

Wonderful collections of stories here,   some old,  some new.

Thank you for this link. i have only just joined and already am 
entranced reading the posts.


Thank you
Kirsteen





Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Tony Moody
Hi Sam,  

Yes, One can indeed use borax on animals. It is a well reputed cure for 
mange. I used to use it, quite dilute as a soap /  fur conditioner for 
dogs and cats before i heard of the mange treatment.. 

Google 'mange borax' and you get lots of hits. One that i've been to is :
http://www.earthclinic.com/Pets/dog_mange_cure.html

OK,
Tony Moody

On 30 Sep 2009 at 2:15, Sam L. wrote about :
Subject : Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax

 If you sprinkle (flour shifter works) borax on your carpet and let sit
 overnight it will kill the fleas, vacuum well the next day and repeat a
 few days later.Might need to do this every week or two until you have it
 under control. Do not put it on your dogs.
 
 Sam L.
 
 On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Fuzzmom fuzzm...@frontier.com wrote:
 
   It was..pretty much for everything but I didn't think it was still the
  same...I thought it had undergone several changes since..aybe ot? I've
  also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried
  Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am
  allergic to them. A mom dog brought them with her when dropped off and
  now the whole house has! Can you Bathe..diluted in it? And will
  silver..or can silver..help with fleas? Worms..etc?
 
  - Original Message -
  *From:* Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com
  *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
  *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:56 PM
  *Subject:* Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax
 
I thought that is the scientific name of boron, isn't it? If you go to
  the 20 Mule website, it states that once  upon a time before FDA rules
  were in place, their product was used for health reasons.
 
  Melly
 
  --- On *Tue, 9/29/09, Acmeair res00...@verizon.net* wrote:
 
 
  From: Acmeair res00...@verizon.net
  Subject: Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 4:38 PM
 
 
  we went thru this situation a year or so ago. many supporters of using
  up to the first finger joint for a dose. you have peeked my interest,
  so i checked my 20 mule team Borax natural laundry booster.  a
  caution, contains sodium tetraborate decahydrate, anyone know what
  that is?jim
 
 
  Sep 29, 2009 12:07:17 PM,
  silver-list@eskimo.comhttp://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silv
  er-l...@eskimo.comwrote:
 
  I use borax as a source for dietary boron and I know of no negatives. -
  Steve N
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Shirley Reed
  [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.comhttp://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=p
  j20...@yahoo.com]
 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:01 PM
  To:
  silver-list@eskimo.comhttp://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silv
  er-l...@eskimo.com Subject: CSOT boron and borax
 
 
  Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of borax as a
  dietary source of boron??? Have read that just one joint of the index
  finger coated with borax and popped into the mouth will give enough
  boron to suffice for daily needs. Need confirmation as to this
  information. tia pj
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Fuzzmom
Please tell me how you get permanent riddence I am s allergic I can't sleep 
and the sprays dips etc do nothing. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: zoe w 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:27 AM
  Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax


  Borax  does kill the fleas  but not the eggs  which is why you have to do it 
again  in a few days. Twice was all I needed to get permanent riddance.

  zoe

  Kirsteen Wright wrote: 


   I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am allergic 
to them.

I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for fleas. I 
don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get rid of them, 
it keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until i discovered it, as 
the cats would bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried pennyroyal 
on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free. I'd also 
sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the cracks in the 
floorboards (we had varnished floors).

I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub 
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could literally see 
clouds of fleas leaping off it.  

good luck
Kirsteen







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Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Fuzzmom
Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided it. I know 
it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kirsteen Wright 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:21 AM
  Subject: Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax




 I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am allergic 
to them.

  I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for fleas. I 
don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get rid of them, 
it keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until i discovered it, as 
the cats would bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried pennyroyal 
on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free. I'd also 
sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the cracks in the 
floorboards (we had varnished floors).

  I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub pennyroyal 
through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could literally see clouds of 
fleas leaping off it.  

  good luck
  Kirsteen





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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread zoe w
I just spread the powder on the carpeting  and  dogs bedding   and left 
it there,   Next week did the same thing.Once  the fleas were gone  
I swept it all up.   They never came back.


If you are allergic  then  why not  stay with friends  until this job is 
finished?


zoe

Fuzzmom wrote:
Please tell me how you get permanent riddence I am s allergic I 
can't sleep and the sprays dips etc do nothing.


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*From:* zoe w mailto:mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:27 AM
*Subject:* Re: CSOT boron and borax

Borax  does kill the fleas  but not the eggs  which is why you
have to do it again  in a few days. Twice was all I needed to
get permanent riddance.

zoe

Kirsteen Wright wrote:


 I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast
and i am allergic to them.


I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for
fleas. I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you
manage to get rid of them, it keeps them away. We used to
regularly get flleas until i discovered it, as the cats would
bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried pennyroyal
on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free.
I'd also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the
cracks in the floorboards (we had varnished floors).

I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and
rub pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you
could literally see clouds of fleas leaping off it. 


good luck
Kirsteen





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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

Silver cannot kill anything other than a single celled organism.  dee

On 30 Sep 2009, at 08:48, Fuzzmom wrote:

It was..pretty much for everything but I didn't think it was still  
the same...I thought it had undergone several changes since..aybe  
ot? I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried  
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am  
allergic to them. A mom dog brought them with her when dropped off  
and now the whole house has! Can you Bathe..diluted in it? And will  
silver..or can silver..help with fleas? Worms..etc?

-


Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

They are called Concentrace and are trace minerals.  dee

On 30 Sep 2009, at 09:17, Fuzzmom wrote:

concentrated drops? Um..where do you get them and what are they? I  
mean what's the difference.

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Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Kirsteen Wright
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Fuzzmom fuzzm...@frontier.com wrote:

  Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided it. I
 know it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it?


I've never heard that it's bad for cats but, if you've heard that, I would
check it out before using it. I'd hate to be responsible for harming
someone's pet.

I'm in the UK. i originally got it from a friend in Edinburgh who was a
herbalist at the time. I know it can be difficult to get as it can be used
to bring on an abortion. I did manage to get it later on from a local
herbalist. I can't remember which one but it was either Neale's Yard or
Napiers.

Cheers
Kirsteen


Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
Hi List Borax is an industrial chemical which contains boron as well as 
a collection of allowable impurities. If you enjoy eating them, go ahead.

Frank Chemist, ND

Fuzzmom wrote:
Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided it. I 
know it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it?


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*Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:21 AM
*Subject:* Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax


 I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast
and i am allergic to them.


I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for
fleas. I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you
manage to get rid of them, it keeps them away. We used to
regularly get flleas until i discovered it, as the cats would
bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried pennyroyal
on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free.
I'd also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the
cracks in the floorboards (we had varnished floors).

I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could
literally see clouds of fleas leaping off it. 


good luck
Kirsteen


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Re: CSExtraction Methods for Peperine

2009-09-30 Thread Norton, Steve
I haven't tried it but I don't know why not.
- Steve N



From: Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.com 
To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wed Sep 30 01:44:51 2009
Subject: RE: CSExtraction Methods for Peperine 


Is it possible to make with without using the microwave?  Can you use a toaster 
oven or regular oven?  
 
Dianne
 



Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:18:21 -0500
From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSExtraction Methods for Peperine



Just FYI. Some surprisingly easy methods for extracting Peperine from black 
pepper from http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread.php?t=25598 
http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread.php?t=25598 .
 - Steve N 
Black pepper, by itself, is not a very efficient way to increase the uptake of 
curcumin. Piperine makes up only about 3% mass (dry) of the pepper. The 
breakdown of the pepper material will also cause a lag in piperine 
availability. Extraction is neccessary.

I have a great deal of experience extracting piperine using househould items 
and have 27g of pure yellow crystals sitting on my desk at this moment. Here is 
how I do it.

Microwave(*1) ~100g of crushed black pepper spread out on a plate; make sure 
you have a small glass of water also in the microwave to prevent feedback to 
the magnetron. Shake this microwaved pepper in a mason jar with either 
denatured alcohol from a harware store or anhydrous isopropyl alcohol(*2) (IPA, 
rubbing alcohol) for about 10 minutes.

You now need to filter out the solids from this mix. I usually make a two stage 
filter out of the top half of a 1 liter water bottle, a generic cooking funnel, 
and a few coffee filters.

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/5346/filtersetup1rt.gif 
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/5346/filtersetup1rt.gif 

Once this finishes filtering you can then evaporate the solvents off the 
piperine by pouring the solution into a pan with a large surface area and very 
gently heating it (I sometimes just let it sit without heat for a day or so 
when lazy). This should leave you with a sticky yellow crystaline substance 
with bits of brown gel mixed in (this brown is chavacine, responsible for the 
smell of pepper). Scrape this mix up and disolve in acetone, filter again, then 
recrystalize by either evaporating off the solvent or dumping the solution into 
a liter or two of ice cold water.

This should leave you with fairly pure piperine.

(1) Microwaving black pepper in a non-polar solvent (or by itself) will tend to 
cause cell rupture allowing for easier extraction of piperine. 
http://rapidshare.de/files/6610631/Microwave_assisted_extraction_of_piperine.pdf.html
 
http://rapidshare.de/files/6610631/Microwave_assisted_extraction_of_piperine.pdf.html
 

(2) You can make dry IPA fairly easily. Buy epsom salts from a grocery store 
and heat in the oven for ~15 minutes to drive off moisture. Put an appreciable 
amount of now dry epsom salts into the rubbing alcohol and shake like mad for a 
minute. Filter the mix and you should have pure IPA without water. It's best to 
start with 91% IPA if possible but 70% will do.




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Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Melly Bag
Kirsteen and others,
 
Would you know if this pennyroyal would also work for mites?
 
Thanks.
 
Melly

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From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 5:21 AM







 I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am allergic 
to them.

I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for fleas. I don't 
think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get rid of them, it 
keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until i discovered it, as the 
cats would bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried pennyroyal on 
the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free. I'd also sprinkle 
some on the floors and then sweep it into the cracks in the floorboards (we had 
varnished floors).

I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub pennyroyal 
through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could literally see clouds of 
fleas leaping off it.  

good luck
Kirsteen



CSSnails and moles

2009-09-30 Thread Jayson
Can anyone tell me if they have any non-toxic ways of getting rid of both of 
these garden pests! My girl friend has cats they like to lay any where, and 
every where. And I don't like the idea of poison in my food from residues that 
might up-take into, or get on our veggies. Thanks for any idea's that might 
help with these two problems we are dealing with! 


  


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Re: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread Sandy
Doug...

Thank you very much for putting this LET info in one place. Now we can easily 
send people to your site to get all the ins and outs of what they need to know 
to make LET vit. C. 

Greatly appreciated!

Sandy

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 Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 11:00 PM
 You might check out my new webpage:
 
 http://www.racehorseherbal.com/Infections/LET/let.html
 
 I tried to summarize everything,
 
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Re: CSSnails and moles

2009-09-30 Thread zoe w
We used to put out jar lids full of beer  for the slugs,  not sure if it 
works on snails  but worth a try.  An adult  gopher-snake  will take 
care of the mole  and any others that  may take up residence.  They also 
eat gophers, voles,  shrews,  etc.


zoe

Jayson wrote:
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CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

2009-09-30 Thread Marshall Dudley
I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some 
interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or incomplete 
descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I 
was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page 68 
he says: combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium 
chlorite...  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a liquid, 
so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before converting 
drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works out 
to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would 
end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that was a 
huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a 
day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day 
without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that the 
lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount recommended 
would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill 
them at worst.


So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about it 
anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There he 
says to add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite solution. 
Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation 
produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.  
Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize that 
something was wrong with the first place he gives the information, but 
others may not be so fortunate.


But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly 
alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach, which 
then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this improve 
your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.


Marshall


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Re: CSSnails and moles

2009-09-30 Thread Dan Nave
Slugs are repelled by caffeine.  I would suspect snails are too. You
could try sprinkling coffee grounds around (or spray Mountain Dew?).

Dan

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 Can anyone tell me if they have any non-toxic ways of getting rid of both of 
 these garden pests! My girl friend has cats they like to lay any where, and 
 every where. And I don't like the idea of poison in my food from residues 
 that might up-take into, or get on our veggies. Thanks for any idea's that 
 might help with these two problems we are dealing with!





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Re: CSSnails and moles

2009-09-30 Thread Melly Bag
In the Philippines people apply course sea salt.  This is how to do it, take 
the snail and sprinkle salt inside the shell, you will see later water oozing 
out that is because the snail seems to melt. It will kill it. Alternatively, if 
there are many of them, gather them and  dump them in a basin filled with water 
with lots of sea salt. They also die this way.   
 
Melly

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From: Jayson john_smith...@yahoo.com
Subject: CSSnails and moles
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:22 AM


Can anyone tell me if they have any non-toxic ways of getting rid of both of 
these garden pests! My girl friend has cats they like to lay any where, and 
every where. And I don't like the idea of poison in my food from residues that 
might up-take into, or get on our veggies. Thanks for any idea's that might 
help with these two problems we are dealing with! 


      


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Re: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread polo
My pleasure! May I thank Brooks Bradley for his kindness in sharing his 
information, and I am only trying to distribute his information further.  I 
hope I did him justice.


doug


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Doug...

Thank you very much for putting this LET info in one place. Now we can 
easily send people to your site to get all the ins and outs of what they 
need to know to make LET vit. C.


Greatly appreciated!

Sandy



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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Roger and Lisa Royal
We have suffered with fleas on my dog for the past 2 years.  I have tried all 
the natural remedies I could find like DE and garlic, but nothing worked.  The 
only thing that worked was Comfortis, a probably vile, monthly medication.  
FINALLY,  I read about apple cider vinegar being good for fleas.  I started 
putting a splash in his water (probably a 4 cup water bowl), and he has been 
flea free for several months now.  It has been a god send for us.  He doesn't 
seem to mind the taste either, thank goodness.  I am so happy to spread the 
word about this and hope it helps someone else!
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:53 AM
  Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax


  Please tell me how you get permanent riddence I am s allergic I can't 
sleep and the sprays dips etc do nothing. 
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From: zoe w 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax


Borax  does kill the fleas  but not the eggs  which is why you have to do 
it again  in a few days. Twice was all I needed to get permanent riddance.

zoe

Kirsteen Wright wrote: 


 I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am allergic 
to them.

  I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for fleas. I 
don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get rid of them, 
it keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until i discovered it, as 
the cats would bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried pennyroyal 
on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free. I'd also 
sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the cracks in the 
floorboards (we had varnished floors).

  I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub 
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could literally see 
clouds of fleas leaping off it.  

  good luck
  Kirsteen











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Re: CSSnails and moles

2009-09-30 Thread Clayton Family
We are coffee drinkers, and this summer my husband applied all our  
used grounds to the hosta beds, since we were having slug problems.  
They really don't seem to like the coffee grounds. Can't be fun to  
crawl over either.



On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Dan Nave wrote:


Slugs are repelled by caffeine.  I would suspect snails are too. You
could try sprinkling coffee grounds around (or spray Mountain Dew?).

Dan

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Jayson john_smith...@yahoo.com  
wrote:
Can anyone tell me if they have any non-toxic ways of getting rid  
of both of these garden pests! My girl friend has cats they like to  
lay any where, and every where. And I don't like the idea of poison  
in my food from residues that might up-take into, or get on our  
veggies. Thanks for any idea's that might help with these two  
problems we are dealing with!






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RE: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread ransley
 
Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of borax as a dietary
source of boron???  Have read that just one joint of the index finger coated
with borax and popped into the mouth will give enough boron to suffice for
daily needs.  Need confirmation as to this information.  tia  pj

I've done it for a few years now, no negatives particular to the borax and
finger method, except this- I did three different methods to the edge of
excess just to see what would happen. I separately did the finger in the
borax, took a boron supp, and drank a lot of Bragg vinegar (organic apples
are rich in boron). All three, to excess, gave a funny feeling after about
2 weeks. Boron is not something to overdo, a little goes a long way. The
borax method is my favorite. DaddyBob


  




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RE: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread ransley
Not pretending to be any expert at this, and giving credit where it's due to
Brooks, Chuck and Del, here's an update to my own instructions that I used
again just yesterday:



UC: Ultrasonic cleaner (jewelry cleaner) I use the small cheap one from
Harbor Freight.

Any water for such a project, distilled or not, I always treat it with a
Blue Stirwand.

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/stirwand.htm

I am presently using NOW granular soy lecithin. Lewis Labs also makes it. No
one has yet shown me another non-soy granular lecithin that will work. If
anyone finds it, I’d love to know about it. Liquid lecithin will not work
because of oil in it.

I use non-GMO, non corn L-Ascorbic Acid from www.vitamincfoundation.org .


In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of granular soy
lecithin, blend well until no granules are visible, OR shake this in a jar
or “Blender Bottle” until dissolved. Do not let it set.

Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW. (alternative- add 1 teaspoon
sodium bicarbonate and let it fizz and dissolve to make 2/3 Sodium Ascorbate
for encapsulation)

Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not
touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles. 

Pour it out of the UC into a half gallon pitcher for the next step.

(Drop this next step if you made sodium ascorbate previously)
Add ¾ teaspoon of baking soda to the 3 ounces of DW and stir or shake a bit.
Add this to the mix in the pitcher.
It will foam a lot. Let the head go down before decanting into the final
container.

Refrigerate.


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Re: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

2009-09-30 Thread polo
I think a better book would be INFECTIOUS DIABETES by Doug Kaufmann. Talk 
about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based as is the 
book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of sodium chlorite 
for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS was with my dog that 
seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to have reversed it with 
sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and elated.


doug


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Subject: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics



I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some
interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or incomplete
descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I
was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page 68
he says: combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium
chlorite...  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a liquid,
so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before converting
drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works out
to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would
end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that was a
huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a
day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day
without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that the
lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount recommended
would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill
them at worst.

So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about it
anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There he
says to add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite solution.
Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation
produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize that
something was wrong with the first place he gives the information, but
others may not be so fortunate.

But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly
alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach, which
then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this improve
your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.

Marshall



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RE: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread Norton, Steve
 
Polo,
DaddyBob points out an important step if you want the best encapsulation 
success:

... blend well until no granules are visible, OR shake this in a jar or 
Blender Bottle until dissolved. Do not let it set.

Use of a blender or shaker dramatically improves the process. I would recommend 
it be added to your description.
Regards,
 Steve N

-Original Message-
From: rans...@atmc.net [mailto:rans...@atmc.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:56 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

Not pretending to be any expert at this, and giving credit where it's due to 
Brooks, Chuck and Del, here's an update to my own instructions that I used 
again just yesterday:



UC: Ultrasonic cleaner (jewelry cleaner) I use the small cheap one from Harbor 
Freight.

Any water for such a project, distilled or not, I always treat it with a Blue 
Stirwand.

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/stirwand.htm

I am presently using NOW granular soy lecithin. Lewis Labs also makes it. No 
one has yet shown me another non-soy granular lecithin that will work. If 
anyone finds it, I'd love to know about it. Liquid lecithin will not work 
because of oil in it.

I use non-GMO, non corn L-Ascorbic Acid from www.vitamincfoundation.org .


In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of granular soy 
lecithin, blend well until no granules are visible, OR shake this in a jar or 
Blender Bottle until dissolved. Do not let it set.

Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW. (alternative- add 1 teaspoon 
sodium bicarbonate and let it fizz and dissolve to make 2/3 Sodium Ascorbate 
for encapsulation)

Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not 
touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles. 

Pour it out of the UC into a half gallon pitcher for the next step.

(Drop this next step if you made sodium ascorbate previously) Add ¾ teaspoon of 
baking soda to the 3 ounces of DW and stir or shake a bit.
Add this to the mix in the pitcher.
It will foam a lot. Let the head go down before decanting into the final 
container.

Refrigerate.


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Re: CSSnails and moles

2009-09-30 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
For slugs and snails put out shallow containers with straight sides  
full of cheap beer.  We got rid of three hundred of them this way (we  
counted) and they just love it!  dee


On 30 Sep 2009, at 14:22, Jayson wrote:

Can anyone tell me if they have any non-toxic ways of getting rid of  
both of these garden pests! My girl friend has cats they like to lay  
any where, and every where. And I don't like the idea of poison in  
my food from residues that might up-take into, or get on our  
veggies. Thanks for any idea's that might help with these two  
problems we are dealing with!






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Re: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread polo

Good idea, thanks

d


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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: CSLiposomal Vitamin C




Polo,
DaddyBob points out an important step if you want the best encapsulation 
success:


... blend well until no granules are visible, OR shake this in a jar or 
Blender Bottle until dissolved. Do not let it set.


Use of a blender or shaker dramatically improves the process. I would 
recommend it be added to your description.

Regards,
Steve N



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Re: CSSnails and moles

2009-09-30 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

Sounds a bit cruel though, at least with the beer, they die happy!  dee

On 30 Sep 2009, at 15:36, Melly Bag wrote:

In the Philippines people apply course sea salt.  This is how to do  
it, take the snail and sprinkle salt inside the shell, you will see  
later water oozing out that is because the snail seems to melt. It  
will kill it. Alternatively, if there are many of them, gather them  
and  dump them in a basin filled with water with lots of sea salt.  
They also die this way.


Melly





Re: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread Marshall Dudley
This is needed very much.  If someone wants to put one together, I will 
be happy to post it to a website where anyone can easily access it.


Marshall

Garnet wrote:
Does anyone have a comprehensive document on how to make Liposomal Vit 
C that includes all aspects of the process. I would like to post it to 
a new LDN Forum where people are discussing using it but they are 
buying it.


I don't want to post a series of unintegrated emails if someone has a 
more recent collation of the methods.


Thanks,

Garnet


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Re: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread Del at Dri-Wash

Ok,

I have made two batches of liposomal absorbate using slight variation.I 
use the basic recipe below but add two oz. of DW in which I have dissolved 
the 3/4 tsp. of bob's baking soda.   I then slowly pour the baking soda/DW 
solution SLOWLY into the Vitamin C / DW solution.There really isn't much 
bubbling.   Then I combine with the dissolved lecithin solution in the 
blender and give about a 3 second blend before pouring into the ulta-sonic 
unit.


My belief is it results in the baking soda being encapsulated as well so (in 
theory) it will join the Vitamin C in the blood stream.   Would sure like 
Brooks or someone equally as adept to confirm this theory.   The process 
does make a good blend and absolutely no separation.


Del

- Original Message - 
From: rans...@atmc.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: CSLiposomal Vitamin C


Not pretending to be any expert at this, and giving credit where it's due to
Brooks, Chuck and Del, here's an update to my own instructions that I used
again just yesterday:



UC: Ultrasonic cleaner (jewelry cleaner) I use the small cheap one from
Harbor Freight.

Any water for such a project, distilled or not, I always treat it with a
Blue Stirwand.

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/stirwand.htm

I am presently using NOW granular soy lecithin. Lewis Labs also makes it. No
one has yet shown me another non-soy granular lecithin that will work. If
anyone finds it, I'd love to know about it. Liquid lecithin will not work
because of oil in it.

I use non-GMO, non corn L-Ascorbic Acid from www.vitamincfoundation.org .


In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of granular soy
lecithin, blend well until no granules are visible, OR shake this in a jar
or Blender Bottle until dissolved. Do not let it set.

Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW. (alternative- add 1 teaspoon
sodium bicarbonate and let it fizz and dissolve to make 2/3 Sodium Ascorbate
for encapsulation)

Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not
touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles.

Pour it out of the UC into a half gallon pitcher for the next step.

(Drop this next step if you made sodium ascorbate previously)
Add ¾ teaspoon of baking soda to the 3 ounces of DW and stir or shake a bit.
Add this to the mix in the pitcher.
It will foam a lot. Let the head go down before decanting into the final
container.

Refrigerate.


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Re: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread Marshall Dudley

Roger Barker wrote:
Here's the one Daddybob sent me a few weeks ago - hope it helps. There 
has been some talk of adding the baking soda to the C before 
encapsulation. I have tried this once and will certainly be giving it 
another go shortly.


Cheers,  Roger B
NZ

From several people who posted their methods in various forums, and my own
experience, here is my method:

In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of 
granular soy
lecithin, blend well (in a blender) until no granules are visible, OR 
shake
this in a jar or Blender Bottle until all is dissolved. Do not let 
it set.


Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW.

Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not
touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles.



How much time is a cycle? My ultrasonic cleaner lets you set the time, 
so I really have no idea how to convert cycles to the appropriate 
time. Also are there recommendations on which units work best. I recall 
that there was a discussion that some of them simply do not have the 
umph to be effective.


Thanks,

Marshall


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RE: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

2009-09-30 Thread Norton, Steve
Marshall,
The body alkalization theory has always escaped my understanding except
where an alkaline substance is injected into the bloodstream just
upstream of a tumor causing a localized change pH. The body does an
excellent job of controlling blood pH regardless of what is ingested.
Unless there is an excessive ingestion of acidic substances that
depletes the body's stores of alkalizing substances. Even pH in the
intestinal tract is fairly tightly controlled. Studies measuring pH
along the intestinal tract show surprising small variations of pH
regardless of whether acidic or alkaline substances are ingested. 
You can measure pH changes in urine or saliva but I think that is
because it is the body's way of releasing excessive amounts of acidic or
alkaline substances and controlling blood pH.

That said, they have determined a link between low urine pH caused by
gout and insulin resistance. Treatment is to raise the urine pH and to
treat the gout. Not sure how that all fits in with the book you have.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

I think a better book would be INFECTIOUS DIABETES by Doug Kaufmann.
Talk about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based
as is the book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of
sodium chlorite for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS was
with my dog that seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to have
reversed it with sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and elated.

doug


- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics


I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some
 interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or
incomplete
 descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I
 was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page
68
 he says: combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium
 chlorite...  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a
liquid,
 so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before
converting
 drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works
out
 to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would
 end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that was
a
 huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a
 day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day
 without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that the
 lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount
recommended
 would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill
 them at worst.

 So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about
it
 anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There
he
 says to add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite
solution.
 Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation
 produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
 Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize that
 something was wrong with the first place he gives the information, but
 others may not be so fortunate.

 But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly
 alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach,
which
 then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this
improve
 your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.

 Marshall


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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Marshall Dudley
Directly, that is correct. It can kill other things though by killing 
the flora it needs for digestion. I found that out the hard way by 
having it tested on honeybees.


Marshall

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Silver cannot kill anything other than a single celled organism.  dee

On 30 Sep 2009, at 08:48, Fuzzmom wrote:

It was..pretty much for everything but I didn't think it was still 
the same...I thought it had undergone several changes since..aybe ot? 
I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am 
allergic to them. A mom dog brought them with her when dropped off 
and now the whole house has! Can you Bathe..diluted in it? And will 
silver..or can silver..help with fleas? Worms..etc?


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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Marshall Dudley
For those who want an inexpensive finger dip dosage of boron, and are 
wary of any impurities that may be in borax, you can get USP boric acid 
from most pharmacies which is an inexpensive very very pure source of boron.


Marshall

frankcuns-r...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi List Borax is an industrial chemical which contains boron as well 
as a collection of allowable impurities. If you enjoy eating them, go 
ahead.

Frank Chemist, ND

Fuzzmom wrote:
Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided it. 
I know it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it?


- Original Message -
*From:* Kirsteen Wright mailto:kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:21 AM
*Subject:* Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax


 I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast
and i am allergic to them.


I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for
fleas. I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you
manage to get rid of them, it keeps them away. We used to
regularly get flleas until i discovered it, as the cats would
bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried pennyroyal
on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free.
I'd also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the
cracks in the floorboards (we had varnished floors).

I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could
literally see clouds of fleas leaping off it.
good luck
Kirsteen


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Re: CSSnails and moles

2009-09-30 Thread Marshall Dudley
If you are over 21, you can put glasses of beer outside and they will be 
attracted to them, drink the beer, get drunk, fall in and drown.


Marshall

Jayson wrote:

Can anyone tell me if they have any non-toxic ways of getting rid of both of
 these garden pests! My girl friend has cats they like to lay any where, and
 every where. And I don't like the idea of poison in my food from residues
 that might up-take into, or get on our veggies. Thanks for any idea's that
 might help with these two problems we are dealing with! 



  



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RE: CSOT boron / PURE SOURCE

2009-09-30 Thread Nenah Sylver
[Marshall]  For those who want an inexpensive finger dip dosage of boron,
and are wary of any impurities that may be in borax, you can get USP boric
acid from most pharmacies which is an inexpensive very very pure source of
boron.

 

===

Thanks Marshall! This is valuable information. Boron supplements are quite
expensive, and this may be a good alternative.

 

Nenah 

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),

now available in HARDCOVER

 The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

www.nenahsylver.com http://www.nenahsylver.com/ 

 

 



RE: CSOT boron / PURE SOURCE

2009-09-30 Thread dingyung49
 
 Does USP boric acid we can get from drug store shelf or we need to ask 
pharmacist to make for us?  What USP boric acid general use for?  I am totally 
no science background.  thanks.  Helen
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote:


From: Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net
Subject: RE: CSOT boron / PURE SOURCE
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 8:51 AM








[ Marshall ]  For those who want an inexpensive finger dip dosage of boron, 
and are wary of any impurities that may be in borax, you can get USP boric acid 
from most pharmacies which is an inexpensive very very pure source of boron.
 
===
Thanks Marshall ! This is valuable information. Boron supplements are quite 
expensive, and this may be a good alternative.
 
Nenah 
 
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
now available in HARDCOVER
 The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
www.nenahsylver.com
 
 

Re: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread Dave Darrin
Here is the link to non soy powdered lecithin.
http://www.austradeinc.com/non-soy-lecithin-powder.html

Dave



On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Garnet gar...@grandecom.net wrote:

 Does anyone have a comprehensive document on how to make Liposomal Vit C
 that includes all aspects of the process. I would like to post it to a new
 LDN Forum where people are discussing using it but they are buying it.

 I don't want to post a series of unintegrated emails if someone has a more
 recent collation of the methods.

 Thanks,

 Garnet


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Re: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

2009-09-30 Thread Marshall Dudley
Although the pH aspect of it made no sense to me, what you say does make 
good sense.  I think I will give it a try.  Hmm, I guess 15 drops of 2% 
would be equivalent to about 1 drop of 28% MMS, which I have on hand.


Marshall

polo wrote:
I think a better book would be INFECTIOUS DIABETES by Doug Kaufmann. 
Talk about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based 
as is the book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of 
sodium chlorite for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS 
was with my dog that seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to 
have reversed it with sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and elated.


doug




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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Clayton Family
In addition, a boiled, saturated solution of boric acid in water makes  
an effective remedy for pink eye. It used to be the MD's remedy of  
choice in the 50's.  It may also be helpful for other things.


I thought boric acid is much more potent than borax- so less would be  
needed. Somebody could do the math on it.


Kathryn

On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

For those who want an inexpensive finger dip dosage of boron, and  
are wary of any impurities that may be in borax, you can get USP  
boric acid from most pharmacies which is an inexpensive very very  
pure source of boron.


Marshall

frankcuns-r...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi List Borax is an industrial chemical which contains boron as  
well as a collection of allowable impurities. If you enjoy eating  
them, go ahead.

Frank Chemist, ND

Fuzzmom wrote:
Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided  
it. I know it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it?


   - Original Message -
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   *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
   *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:21 AM
   *Subject:* Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax


I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried
   Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast
   and i am allergic to them.


   I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for
   fleas. I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you
   manage to get rid of them, it keeps them away. We used to
   regularly get flleas until i discovered it, as the cats would
   bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried pennyroyal
   on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free.
   I'd also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the
   cracks in the floorboards (we had varnished floors).

   I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and  
rub

   pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could
   literally see clouds of fleas leaping off it.
   good luck
   Kirsteen


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Re: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

2009-09-30 Thread Marshall Dudley
You are correct that the body maintains the blood pH within a very 
narrow range.  It really never gets out of range, the problem is the 
problems the body creates for itself maintaining this pH.  It strips 
calcium from the bones, it causes overload of the liver and kidneys 
expelling the acid, and according to the book, it stashes acids away 
into fat.  The book contends that much obesity is caused by the body 
storing fat simply to be able to stash acids away in the fat.  That if 
the body is not having to do this, it will burn the fat instead.  
Interesting theory at any rate.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:

Marshall,
The body alkalization theory has always escaped my understanding except
where an alkaline substance is injected into the bloodstream just
upstream of a tumor causing a localized change pH. The body does an
excellent job of controlling blood pH regardless of what is ingested.
Unless there is an excessive ingestion of acidic substances that
depletes the body's stores of alkalizing substances. Even pH in the
intestinal tract is fairly tightly controlled. Studies measuring pH
along the intestinal tract show surprising small variations of pH
regardless of whether acidic or alkaline substances are ingested. 
You can measure pH changes in urine or saliva but I think that is

because it is the body's way of releasing excessive amounts of acidic or
alkaline substances and controlling blood pH.

That said, they have determined a link between low urine pH caused by
gout and insulin resistance. Treatment is to raise the urine pH and to
treat the gout. Not sure how that all fits in with the book you have.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

I think a better book would be INFECTIOUS DIABETES by Doug Kaufmann.
Talk about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based
as is the book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of
sodium chlorite for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS was
with my dog that seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to have
reversed it with sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and elated.

doug


- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics


  

I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some
interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or


incomplete
  

descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I
was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page


68
  

he says: combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium
chlorite...  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a


liquid,
  

so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before


converting
  

drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works


out
  

to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would
end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that was


a
  

huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a
day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day
without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that the
lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount


recommended
  

would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill
them at worst.

So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about


it
  

anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There


he
  

says to add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite


solution.
  

Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation
produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize that
something was wrong with the first place he gives the information, but
others may not be so fortunate.

But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly
alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach,


which
  

then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this


improve
  

your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.

Marshall




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RE: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

2009-09-30 Thread Norton, Steve
That is interesting. Thanks.
 - Steve N 

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:12 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

You are correct that the body maintains the blood pH within a very
narrow range.  It really never gets out of range, the problem is the
problems the body creates for itself maintaining this pH.  It strips
calcium from the bones, it causes overload of the liver and kidneys
expelling the acid, and according to the book, it stashes acids away
into fat.  The book contends that much obesity is caused by the body
storing fat simply to be able to stash acids away in the fat.  That if
the body is not having to do this, it will burn the fat instead.  
Interesting theory at any rate.

Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:
 Marshall,
 The body alkalization theory has always escaped my understanding 
 except where an alkaline substance is injected into the bloodstream 
 just upstream of a tumor causing a localized change pH. The body does 
 an excellent job of controlling blood pH regardless of what is
ingested.
 Unless there is an excessive ingestion of acidic substances that 
 depletes the body's stores of alkalizing substances. Even pH in the 
 intestinal tract is fairly tightly controlled. Studies measuring pH 
 along the intestinal tract show surprising small variations of pH 
 regardless of whether acidic or alkaline substances are ingested.
 You can measure pH changes in urine or saliva but I think that is 
 because it is the body's way of releasing excessive amounts of acidic 
 or alkaline substances and controlling blood pH.

 That said, they have determined a link between low urine pH caused by 
 gout and insulin resistance. Treatment is to raise the urine pH and to

 treat the gout. Not sure how that all fits in with the book you have.
  - Steve N

 -Original Message-
 From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

 I think a better book would be INFECTIOUS DIABETES by Doug Kaufmann.
 Talk about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based

 as is the book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of 
 sodium chlorite for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS 
 was with my dog that seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to

 have reversed it with sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and
elated.

 doug


 - Original Message -
 From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:58 AM
 Subject: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics


   
 I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some 
 interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or
 
 incomplete
   
 descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I

 was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page
 
 68
   
 he says: combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium 
 chlorite...  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a
 
 liquid,
   
 so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before
 
 converting
   
 drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works
 
 out
   
 to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would

 end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that 
 was
 
 a
   
 huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a

 day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day 
 without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that 
 the lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount
 
 recommended
   
 would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill

 them at worst.

 So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about
 
 it
   
 anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There
 
 he
   
 says to add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite
 
 solution.
   
 Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation 
 produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
 Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize 
 that something was wrong with the first place he gives the 
 information, but others may not be so fortunate.

 But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly 
 alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach,
 
 which
   
 then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this
 
 improve
   
 your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.

 Marshall
 


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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Melly Bag
Be careful with boric acid for eyes.  They come in different strengths.  My 
grandma had an eye surgery for cataracts and the nurse used a stronger boric 
acid than what doc ordered and she got  blind.  Ask your eye doctor 
what strength  should be used for eyes.
 
Melly

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Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 12:10 PM


In addition, a boiled, saturated solution of boric acid in water makes an 
effective remedy for pink eye. It used to be the MD's remedy of choice in the 
50's.  It may also be helpful for other things.

I thought boric acid is much more potent than borax- so less would be needed. 
Somebody could do the math on it.

Kathryn



Re: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread Dan Nave
The automatic timer cycle is on the order or 2 to 3 minutes a cycle.

I believe that most people are processing their mixture from 6 to 10 minutes.

Dan

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
 Roger Barker wrote:

 Here's the one Daddybob sent me a few weeks ago - hope it helps. There has
 been some talk of adding the baking soda to the C before encapsulation. I
 have tried this once and will certainly be giving it another go shortly.

 Cheers,  Roger B
 NZ

 From several people who posted their methods in various forums, and my own
 experience, here is my method:

 In a blender, 1 cup of distilled water + 3 level tablespoons of granular
 soy
 lecithin, blend well (in a blender) until no granules are visible, OR
 shake
 this in a jar or Blender Bottle until all is dissolved. Do not let it
 set.

 Dissolve 1 tablespoon of C powder in ½ cup DW.

 Combine both in the UC, turn it on and stir it gently with a straw, not
 touching the actual interior of the UC. Run it for 3 cycles.


 How much time is a cycle? My ultrasonic cleaner lets you set the time, so I
 really have no idea how to convert cycles to the appropriate time. Also
 are there recommendations on which units work best. I recall that there was
 a discussion that some of them simply do not have the umph to be effective.

 Thanks,

 Marshall


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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Fuzzmom
Oh thank you will get..need about a gallon of it..and i assume youmean the 
raw cloudy type? where would I find a large amount the small bottles are 
expensive. 
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  From: Roger and Lisa Royal 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:48 AM
  Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax


  We have suffered with fleas on my dog for the past 2 years.  I have tried all 
the natural remedies I could find like DE and garlic, but nothing worked.  The 
only thing that worked was Comfortis, a probably vile, monthly medication.  
FINALLY,  I read about apple cider vinegar being good for fleas.  I started 
putting a splash in his water (probably a 4 cup water bowl), and he has been 
flea free for several months now.  It has been a god send for us.  He doesn't 
seem to mind the taste either, thank goodness.  I am so happy to spread the 
word about this and hope it helps someone else!
- Original Message - 
From: Fuzzmom 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax


Please tell me how you get permanent riddence I am s allergic I can't 
sleep and the sprays dips etc do nothing. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: zoe w 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:27 AM
  Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax


  Borax  does kill the fleas  but not the eggs  which is why you have to do 
it again  in a few days. Twice was all I needed to get permanent riddance.

  zoe

  Kirsteen Wright wrote: 


   I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am allergic 
to them.

I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for fleas. 
I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get rid of 
them, it keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until i discovered 
it, as the cats would bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried 
pennyroyal on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free. I'd 
also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the cracks in the 
floorboards (we had varnished floors).

I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub 
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could literally see 
clouds of fleas leaping off it.  

good luck
Kirsteen







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Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Fuzzmom
ll in all if your friend is a herbalist then I'll tae her word over that of 
someone who just sells a product..a girl at one of those catalog for pets told 
me not to use it but I'll still check it out. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kirsteen Wright 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:39 AM
  Subject: Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax





  On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Fuzzmom fuzzm...@frontier.com wrote:

Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided it. I know 
it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it? 

  I've never heard that it's bad for cats but, if you've heard that, I would 
check it out before using it. I'd hate to be responsible for harming someone's 
pet. 

  I'm in the UK. i originally got it from a friend in Edinburgh who was a 
herbalist at the time. I know it can be difficult to get as it can be used to 
bring on an abortion. I did manage to get it later on from a local herbalist. I 
can't remember which one but it was either Neale's Yard or Napiers.

  Cheers
  Kirsteen 





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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Fuzzmom
Um..and then who'd watch the dogs? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: zoe w 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:58 AM
  Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax


  I just spread the powder on the carpeting  and  dogs bedding   and left it 
there,   Next week did the same thing.Once  the fleas were gone  I swept it 
all up.   They never came back.

  If you are allergic  then  why not  stay with friends  until this job is 
finished?

  zoe

  Fuzzmom wrote: 
Please tell me how you get permanent riddence I am s allergic I can't 
sleep and the sprays dips etc do nothing. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: zoe w 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:27 AM
  Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax


  Borax  does kill the fleas  but not the eggs  which is why you have to do 
it again  in a few days. Twice was all I needed to get permanent riddance.

  zoe

  Kirsteen Wright wrote: 


   I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am allergic 
to them.

I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for fleas. 
I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get rid of 
them, it keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until i discovered 
it, as the cats would bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried 
pennyroyal on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free. I'd 
also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the cracks in the 
floorboards (we had varnished floors).

I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub 
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could literally see 
clouds of fleas leaping off it.  

good luck
Kirsteen







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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread zoe w

Good Point.
Perhaps the ACV is the best solution for you.
zoe


Fuzzmom wrote:

Um..and then who'd watch the dogs?

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Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread cking001
It might...
HHHAAA HoHOhoOhGawd,I'm killing myself

Chuck
NORMAL? That the setting I use on my washing machine...

On 9/30/2009 9:22:37 AM, Melly Bag (tita_...@yahoo.com) wrote:
 Kirsteen and others,
 
 Would you know if this pennyroyal would also work for mites?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Melly
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Re: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread Garnet

Excellent page Doug, thank you!

And thank you for forwarding DB's info Roger!

Garnet

polo wrote:

You might check out my new webpage:

http://www.racehorseherbal.com/Infections/LET/let.html

I tried to summarize everything,

doug


- Original Message - From: Garnet gar...@grandecom.net
To: silver  Siilver List silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:21 PM
Subject: CSLiposomal Vitamin C


Does anyone have a comprehensive document on how to make Liposomal Vit 
C that includes all aspects of the process. I would like to post it to 
a new LDN Forum where people are discussing using it but they are 
buying it.


I don't want to post a series of unintegrated emails if someone has a 
more recent collation of the methods.


Thanks,

Garnet



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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Garnet
Concentrace is a brand name. I bought it at the health food 
store. It's a

fairly well known product made from concentrated salt water.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:
concentrated drops? Um..where do you get them and what are they? I mean 
what's the difference.

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax



I use Concentrace drops in the distilled drinking water that
I make myself.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:

then how do you take it as a supplement/
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Borax IS NOT safe to eat
Frank ND

Fuzzmom wrote:

Isn't borax a laundry soap is it safe to eat/

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*From:* Melly Bag mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSOT boron and borax

I use borax to wash my kitchen countertops and floor also in the
laundry as it is a good disinfectant - like chlorine.  Why don't
you just buy the supplement Boron.  There is a liquid supplement
of  silica with boron which i take by jarrows.

Melly

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From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com
Subject: CSOT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:01 PM

   Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of
borax as a dietary source of boron???  Have read that just one
joint of the index finger coated with borax and popped into
the mouth will give enough boron to suffice for daily needs.
Need confirmation as to this information.  tia  pj





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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Garnet

It's also a lung irritant so try not to breathe it in.

Garnet

Sam L. wrote:
If you sprinkle (flour shifter works) borax on your carpet and let sit 
overnight it will kill the fleas, vacuum well the next day and repeat a 
few days later.
Might need to do this every week or two until you have it under control. 
Do not put it on your dogs. 


Sam L.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Fuzzmom fuzzm...@frontier.com 
mailto:fuzzm...@frontier.com wrote:


It was..pretty much for everything but I didn't think it was still
the same...I thought it had undergone several changes since..aybe
ot? I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am
allergic to them. A mom dog brought them with her when dropped off
and now the whole house has! Can you Bathe..diluted in it? And will
silver..or can silver..help with fleas? Worms..etc?

- Original Message -
*From:* Melly Bag mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax

I thought that is the scientific name of boron, isn't it? If you
go to the 20 Mule website, it states that once  upon a time
before FDA rules were in place, their product was used for
health reasons.
 
Melly 


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mailto:res00...@verizon.net/* wrote:


From: Acmeair res00...@verizon.net
mailto:res00...@verizon.net
Subject: Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 4:38 PM

 
we went thru this situation a year or so ago. many

supporters of using up to the first finger joint for a
dose. you have peeked my interest, so i checked my 20 mule
team Borax natural laundry booster.  a caution,   contains
sodium tetraborate decahydrate, anyone know what that
is?jim


Sep 29, 2009 12:07:17 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com

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wrote:

I use borax as a source for dietary boron and I know of
no negatives.
- Steve N

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Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:01 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

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Subject: CSOT boron and borax


Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of
borax as a
dietary source of boron??? Have read that just one joint
of the index
finger coated with borax and popped into the mouth will
give enough
boron to suffice for daily needs. Need confirmation as
to this
information. tia pj





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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Marshall Dudley
The boric acid I am talking about is pure, a powder. For use in eyes you 
mix it with distilled water. The strength is nothing more than how much 
you dilute it.  According to this site 
http://www.ehow.com/way_5195536_boric-acid-eye-bath-recipe.html :


The adult strength eye wash is made with 1 tsp. of boric acid in 1 cup 
of water 
http://www.ehow.com/way_5195536_boric-acid-eye-bath-recipe.html#. An 
eye wash for children http://www.ehow.com/children/ should contain 1/2 
to 2/3 tsp. boric acid per cup of water.


Buy medicinal grade boric acid powder at a pharmacy or online. Avoid the 
industrial grade powder used in pesticides. Use distilled water to make 
your eye bath so it won't be contaminated with the chemicals and 
pollutants often present in tap water.


Marshall


Melly Bag wrote:
Be careful with boric acid for eyes.  They come in different 
strengths.  My grandma had an eye surgery for cataracts and the nurse 
used a stronger boric acid than what doc ordered and she got  blind.  
Ask your eye doctor what strength  should be used for eyes.
 
Melly


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From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 12:10 PM

In addition, a boiled, saturated solution of boric acid in water
makes an effective remedy for pink eye. It used to be the MD's
remedy of choice in the 50's.  It may also be helpful for other
things.

I thought boric acid is much more potent than borax- so less would
be needed. Somebody could do the math on it.

Kathryn




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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Fuzzmom

i'll se if my local store carries it.
- Original Message - 
From: Garnet gar...@grandecom.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax



Concentrace is a brand name. I bought it at the health food
store. It's a
fairly well known product made from concentrated salt water.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:

concentrated drops? Um..where do you get them and what are they? I mean
what's the difference.
- Original Message - From: Garnet gar...@grandecom.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax



I use Concentrace drops in the distilled drinking water that
I make myself.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:

then how do you take it as a supplement/
- Original Message - From: frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax



Borax IS NOT safe to eat
Frank ND

Fuzzmom wrote:

Isn't borax a laundry soap is it safe to eat/

- Original Message -
*From:* Melly Bag mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSOT boron and borax

I use borax to wash my kitchen countertops and floor also in the
laundry as it is a good disinfectant - like chlorine.  Why don't
you just buy the supplement Boron.  There is a liquid supplement
of  silica with boron which i take by jarrows.

Melly

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From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com
Subject: CSOT boron and borax
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:01 PM

   Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of
borax as a dietary source of boron???  Have read that just 
one

joint of the index finger coated with borax and popped into
the mouth will give enough boron to suffice for daily needs.
Need confirmation as to this information.  tia  pj





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Re: CSSnails and moles

2009-09-30 Thread cking001
Nah! They get rowdy and start smashing up the lawn furniture...

Gawd...can't help myself today

Chuck
Not all men are fools, some are bachelors.


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 If you are over 21, you can put glasses of beer outside and they will be
 attracted to them, drink the beer, get drunk, fall in and drown.
 
 Marshall
 
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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Clayton Family

yes it is from the Great Salt Lake in Utah.

It is fairly high inbromines, and I don't do well with it, maybe for  
that reason; but others seem to like it just fine...



On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Garnet wrote:

Concentrace is a brand name. I bought it at the health food store.  
It's a

fairly well known product made from concentrated salt water.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:
concentrated drops? Um..where do you get them and what are they? I  
mean what's the difference.

- Original Message - From: Garnet gar...@grandecom.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax

I use Concentrace drops in the distilled drinking water that
I make myself.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:

then how do you take it as a supplement/
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frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax



Borax IS NOT safe to eat
Frank ND

Fuzzmom wrote:

Isn't borax a laundry soap is it safe to eat/

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Melly Bag mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com
   *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
   *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:05 PM
   *Subject:* Re: CSOT boron and borax

   I use borax to wash my kitchen countertops and floor also in  
the
   laundry as it is a good disinfectant - like chlorine.  Why  
don't
   you just buy the supplement Boron.  There is a liquid  
supplement

   of  silica with boron which i take by jarrows.

   Melly

   --- On *Tue, 9/29/09, Shirley Reed /pj20...@yahoo.com
   mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com/* wrote:


   From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com
   Subject: CSOT boron and borax
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:01 PM

  Does anyone know of any negatives regarding the use of
   borax as a dietary source of boron???  Have read that  
just one
   joint of the index finger coated with borax and popped  
into
   the mouth will give enough boron to suffice for daily  
needs.

   Need confirmation as to this information.  tia  pj





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CSsubscribing address

2009-09-30 Thread sol




What happened to the link to where to subscribe to the silverlist that
used to appear at the bottom of emails. If anyone has it please send it
to me.
All that is there now is this unsub link Instructions for unsubscribing
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all to do with the silverlist no sub or unsub info link seems to be
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I also can no longer find sub and unsub silverlist info at
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Maybe I'm just braindead today?
I want to refer someone to this list.
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Re: CSsubscribing address

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  All that is there now is this unsub link Instructions for unsubscribing are
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  I want to refer someone to this list.
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Re: CS Native American stories--

2009-09-30 Thread ZZekelink
 
In a message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk writes:

Lois,
Most of the stories told by my Grandpa  were very  personal  family stories 
that would have no meaning to  outsiders.   Ours have been preserved  and 
are being passed  down to successive generations of which there are three  
beyond myself so  far.If you are looking for the generic,creation,  
myth stories  there is a place you can go.

_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/_ 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/) 

Wonderful  collections of stories here,   some old,  some  new.

zoe



zoe, I think it is great you are preserving the stories... I am not looking 
 for generic, have read many of them. I live in the land of the Senecas. 
One of  their camps was within walking distance of where I live in Letchworth 
State  Park. It is almost as if I can sense their presence here in my woods. 
It is said  that their winter camp was in this woods. I just appreciate 
their history   abhor what was done to them..   Lois


Re: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

2009-09-30 Thread Annie B Smythe

Hi Steve,

Sorry to break in here. But due to our Western diet most of us lean 
toward the acidic side of the scale anyway. Coffee, tea, soft drinks, 
medications, excessive protein and sugar in the diet, pollution, and 
probably a few others y'all could point out. The body uses calcium to 
buffer acid, and a good portion of people in the US don't get the RDA of 
calcium, much less more than the RDA. Bones and teeth suffer as a 
result. I don't remember the numbers, but it takes so much water and or 
calcium to buffer just one soft drink. I'm not an expert in chemistry 
mind you and I could be wrong, but that's what I understand from my own 
digging around on the subject.


Annie

Norton, Steve wrote:

Marshall,
The body alkalization theory has always escaped my understanding except
where an alkaline substance is injected into the bloodstream just
upstream of a tumor causing a localized change pH. The body does an
excellent job of controlling blood pH regardless of what is ingested.
Unless there is an excessive ingestion of acidic substances that
depletes the body's stores of alkalizing substances. Even pH in the
intestinal tract is fairly tightly controlled. Studies measuring pH
along the intestinal tract show surprising small variations of pH
regardless of whether acidic or alkaline substances are ingested. 
You can measure pH changes in urine or saliva but I think that is

because it is the body's way of releasing excessive amounts of acidic or
alkaline substances and controlling blood pH.

That said, they have determined a link between low urine pH caused by
gout and insulin resistance. Treatment is to raise the urine pH and to
treat the gout. Not sure how that all fits in with the book you have.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

I think a better book would be INFECTIOUS DIABETES by Doug Kaufmann.
Talk about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based
as is the book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of
sodium chlorite for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS was
with my dog that seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to have
reversed it with sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and elated.

doug


- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics



I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some
interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or

incomplete

descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I
was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page

68

he says: combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium
chlorite...  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a

liquid,

so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before

converting

drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works

out

to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would
end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that was

a

huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a
day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day
without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that the
lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount

recommended

would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill
them at worst.

So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about

it

anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There

he

says to add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite

solution.

Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation
produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize that
something was wrong with the first place he gives the information, but
others may not be so fortunate.

But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly
alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach,

which

then breaks down into NaCl and O2 eventually.  So how does this

improve

your body's pH? NaCl is plain old table salt.

Marshall



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Re: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

2009-09-30 Thread Smitty
There are some testimonials here for those interested =
http://tinyurl.com/ydkxqv5

Smitty

###

On 9/30/09, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote:
 That is interesting. Thanks.
   - Steve N


  -Original Message-
  From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:12 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics

  You are correct that the body maintains the blood pH within a very
  narrow range.  It really never gets out of range, the problem is the
  problems the body creates for itself maintaining this pH.  It strips
  calcium from the bones, it causes overload of the liver and kidneys
  expelling the acid, and according to the book, it stashes acids away
  into fat.  The book contends that much obesity is caused by the body
  storing fat simply to be able to stash acids away in the fat.  That if
  the body is not having to do this, it will burn the fat instead.
  Interesting theory at any rate.

  Marshall

  Norton, Steve wrote:
   Marshall,
   The body alkalization theory has always escaped my understanding
   except where an alkaline substance is injected into the bloodstream
   just upstream of a tumor causing a localized change pH. The body does
   an excellent job of controlling blood pH regardless of what is
  ingested.
   Unless there is an excessive ingestion of acidic substances that
   depletes the body's stores of alkalizing substances. Even pH in the
   intestinal tract is fairly tightly controlled. Studies measuring pH
   along the intestinal tract show surprising small variations of pH
   regardless of whether acidic or alkaline substances are ingested.
   You can measure pH changes in urine or saliva but I think that is
   because it is the body's way of releasing excessive amounts of acidic
   or alkaline substances and controlling blood pH.
  
   That said, they have determined a link between low urine pH caused by
   gout and insulin resistance. Treatment is to raise the urine pH and to

   treat the gout. Not sure how that all fits in with the book you have.
- Steve N
  
   -Original Message-
   From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net]
   Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Subject: Re: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics
  
   I think a better book would be INFECTIOUS DIABETES by Doug Kaufmann.
   Talk about food for thought! Going further, if diabetes is fungi based

   as is the book's premise, this would offer some basis for the use of
   sodium chlorite for treating diabetes. My sparse experience with MMS
   was with my dog that seemed to develop canine diabetes and I seemed to

   have reversed it with sodium chlorite. So far I am intrigued and
  elated.
  
   doug
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:58 AM
   Subject: CSThe pH miracle for diabetics
  
  
  
   I ordered this book and it came yesterday.  It does have some
   interesting ideas.  However I am put off by his inaccurate or
  
   incomplete
  
   descriptions of some of the protocols he says to do.  For instance, I

   was interested in the alkalinized water as a starting point. On page
  
   68
  
   he says: combine one quart of water with 16 drops of sodium
   chlorite...  Now first of all sodium chlorite is a solid, not a
  
   liquid,
  
   so this seemed a rather odd way of expressing it.  So before
  
   converting
  
   drops to grams and trying it I did some figuring first.  That works
  
   out
  
   to be approximately 1 gram, and if you drink 4 quarts in a day, would

   end up being 4 grams.  Having had experience with MMS, I knew that
   was
  
   a
  
   huge amount, about 20 times the maximum I was able to work up to in a

   day, and over 100 times what I was able to initially take in a day
   without digestive problems.  So I checked the msds, and found that
   the lethal dosage is less than 4 times that amount.  The amount
  
   recommended
  
   would certainly put anyone in the hospital at best, and possibly kill

   them at worst.
  
   So, I checked the index for sodium chlorite to see if he talks about
  
   it
  
   anywhere else, and found he once again mentions it on page 88   There
  
   he
  
   says to add 16 drops per liter of 2 percent sodium chlorite
  
   solution.
  
   Ahh, now he has it right.  The first place I read his recommendation
   produced a concentration 50 times what he was really wanting.
   Fortunately I had enough experience with this compound to realize
   that something was wrong with the first place he gives the
   information, but others may not be so fortunate.
  
   But now I am puzzled.  Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is truly highly
   alkaline.  But it breaks down into chlorious acid in the stomach,
  
   which
  
   then breaks down into NaCl and O2 

Re: CS Native American stories--

2009-09-30 Thread zoe w
It is good that you are that sensitive.   Yes  if you listen closely  
you can still hear them whisper.   I am hardpressed to find  any place 
on this continent  that wasn't once  either a campground  or 
huntingground  or otherwise steeped in the history  of one tribe or 
another.Sleeping out under the stars  used to put me in touch with 
the  ancestors,  wish I could still do that sort of thing.I can 
still  sit in the woods  by myself  and get tuned in that way.


zoe

zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk writes:


Lois,
Most of the stories told by my Grandpa  were very personal  family
stories that would have no meaning to outsiders.   Ours have been
preserved  and are being passed down to successive generations of
which there are three  beyond myself so far.If you are looking
for the generic,   creation,  myth stories  there is a place you
can go.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/

Wonderful collections of stories here,   some old,  some new.

zoe

zoe, I think it is great you are preserving the stories... I am not 
looking for generic, have read many of them. I live in the land of the 
Senecas. One of their camps was within walking distance of where I 
live in Letchworth State Park. It is almost as if I can sense their 
presence here in my woods. It is said that their winter camp was in 
this woods. I just appreciate their history  abhor what was done to 
them..   Lois




CSLiposomal C Post on LDN Database Forum

2009-09-30 Thread Garnet
For anyone who would like to contribute their experiences 
and benefits of Liposomal C
here is the link to the thread I created. This is a new Low 
Dose Naltrexone Forum created
by the owner of the LDN Database in Ireland. Not much info 
on the forum yet but should
prove to be a great community for discussing all matters 
related to LDN and the range of
conditions it is used to treat which includes Autoimmune 
disease, some Cancers (must
have the opioid receptor), Allergies, Asthma, Autism, 
HIVAIDS, Hormone Imbalance,

Thyroiditis, Flu and Cold Prevention and more.

Would love to have some of you good folks visit and 
contribute as well as help to

spread the word on LDN.

http://ldndatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=102posted=1#post102

Thanks again for everyone's contribution to my LET C thread!

Garnet


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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Garnet
She may have been referring to the essential oil of Penny 
Royal which

is a lot more concentrated than rubbing on the plant.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:
ll in all if your friend is a herbalist then I'll tae her word over that 
of someone who just sells a product..a girl at one of those catalog for 
pets told me not to use it but I'll still check it out.


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*From:* Kirsteen Wright mailto:kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:39 AM
*Subject:* Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax



On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Fuzzmom fuzzm...@frontier.com
mailto:fuzzm...@frontier.com wrote:

Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided
it. I know it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it? 



I've never heard that it's bad for cats but, if you've heard that, I
would check it out before using it. I'd hate to be responsible for
harming someone's pet.

I'm in the UK. i originally got it from a friend in Edinburgh who
was a herbalist at the time. I know it can be difficult to get as it
can be used to bring on an abortion. I did manage to get it later on
from a local herbalist. I can't remember which one but it was either
Neale's Yard or Napiers.

Cheers
Kirsteen




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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Fuzzmom

It was in a deodorant stick sort of.
- Original Message - 
From: Garnet gar...@grandecom.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax



She may have been referring to the essential oil of Penny
Royal which
is a lot more concentrated than rubbing on the plant.

Garnet

Fuzzmom wrote:

ll in all if your friend is a herbalist then I'll tae her word over that
of someone who just sells a product..a girl at one of those catalog for
pets told me not to use it but I'll still check it out.

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*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:39 AM
*Subject:* Re: RE: CSOT boron and borax



On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Fuzzmom fuzzm...@frontier.com
mailto:fuzzm...@frontier.com wrote:

Is pennyroyal ok for cats I heard it could ill thems o I avoided
it. I know it's ok for dogs..cool where do you get it?


I've never heard that it's bad for cats but, if you've heard that, I
would check it out before using it. I'd hate to be responsible for
harming someone's pet.

I'm in the UK. i originally got it from a friend in Edinburgh who
was a herbalist at the time. I know it can be difficult to get as it
can be used to bring on an abortion. I did manage to get it later on
from a local herbalist. I can't remember which one but it was either
Neale's Yard or Napiers.

Cheers
Kirsteen




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CSAnother questions

2009-09-30 Thread Larry Biggar
Hi Ken! I don't have shortness of breath, caughing or access mucas. But the VA 
gives me inhalers etc. I don't think i have Astma, etc. But if i get a cold. It 
immediatly becomes a severe breathing problem. But i think that is just a part 
of the cold/flu. The same with my re-occuring bladder infections. Both i feel 
are treatable with CS. Which i intend to treat with your spray and drinking it 
after holding in my mouth as long as i can. My VA nurse, that comes out once a 
week. She has become very interested in CS, my organic food and natural 
healing. She wanted to take a prelimanary blood/uran samples. Then in a few 
weeks another. So, Monday a nurse from my VA Dr. called and left a message. 
That my antisipated use of CS is VERY much frowned upon. I read the book CS 
today that i just baught from you. I wonder if there is some info that could 
talk in Dr. talk why, how and when the bennifits of CS. My Dr. is from India 
and turned me on to Soy Milk has been
 very interested in my doctoring my herbalist was doing and my ongoing 
vitamin/mineral regiment. Since my Dr. and I have a agree to disagree 
arrangement. I can request another Dr. visit at any time. I've already gave him 
several CD's on various subjects. Even the bad additives of the H1N1 and other 
contraversal subjects. I believe that he, my nurse and many other Americans. 
Just don't know. Because we just don't have time to fallow. But i would 
appriciate your help in making more people receptive to CS treatment. Now, if 
you haven't sent out replacement for my funnel and dropper please include them 
on my next order of the battery pack and whatever else you think i should 
order. You have my CC # so you can just use that! Thanks again Ken! I really 
appriciate your far away friendship! Oh, here in Portland, Or. there isn't much 
sun to heat a jug. God Bless!  Larry



  

CSGetting Started

2009-09-30 Thread Jeff Maahs
Hi,


I would like to start out with CS. It would be mainly for myself but perhaps 
also for my young kids at some point.

Is there a standard email that can be posted with some advice for beginners? 

If I buy some is there a better manufacturer? 
Is there a standard ppm to use? 
Dosage amounts for everyday versus when you have come down with something?

Is there a guide for making it yourself? 

Thanks!
Jeff


  

CSLypo-spheric vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread Pat
I suppose all you who are making liposomal vitamin C are also taking it.  Have 
any of you had stomach pains or worse?  The first two times I took my Livon 
lipospheric C, I felt a little queasy which went away soon as I ate something.  
The last time, Friday night, I took some late because I felt a little funny 
like I might have something coming on or an allergy.  I woke about 2 1/2 hours 
later with terrible sharp stomach pain which then turned queasy.  (Runs X 3 
after that) After sipping colloidal silver every 10 or 15 minutes, I was 
feeling well enough to go back to bed in about an hour.  I was back to normal 
in 12 hours.  I probably had picked up germs from eating persimmons off the 
ground, or who knows where, but I'm a little afraid it was the C.  I'll wait 
for a good day when I don't have anywhere to go to try it again.

Pat



  


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Re: CS Native American stories--OT

2009-09-30 Thread AHorse52251
Zoe,
   Thank you for posting the group!
   I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive person, tuned into things around me. 
I wish I were. I can certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people 
native to this country. There *should* have been white bodies hanging from 
trees all across this country for what the white man did, IMO.
No other minority had annihilation attempted on them in this country that I 
ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my soapbox, not that I want to...
   Thanks again. I joined and look foreward to the stories!
Janis


--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
 Subject: Re: CS  Native American stories--
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM
 
 
 
   
 
  
 It is good that you are that sensitive.   Yes  if you
 listen closely 
 you can still hear them whisper.   I am hardpressed to
 find  any place
 on this continent  that wasn't once  either a
 campground  or
 huntingground  or otherwise steeped in the history  of
 one tribe or
 another.    Sleeping out under the stars  used to put
 me in touch with
 the  ancestors,  wish I could still do that sort of
 thing.    I can
 still  sit in the woods  by myself  and get tuned in
 that way.
 
 
 
 zoe
 
 
 
 zzekel...@aol.com
 wrote:
 
   
   
   
   
   In a message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern
 Daylight
 Time, mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
 writes:
   Lois,
 
 Most of the stories told by my Grandpa  were very
 personal  family
 stories that would have no meaning to outsiders.   Ours
 have been
 preserved  and are being passed down to successive
 generations of which
 there are three  beyond myself so far.    If you are
 looking for the
 generic,   creation,  myth stories  there is a place
 you can go.
 
 
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/
 
 
 
 Wonderful collections of stories here,   some old,  some
 new.
 
 
 
 zoe
 
 
   
   zoe, I think it is great you are preserving the
 stories... I am
 not looking for generic, have read many of them. I live in
 the land of
 the Senecas. One of their camps was within walking distance
 of where I
 live in Letchworth State Park. It is almost as if I can
 sense their
 presence here in my woods. It is said that their winter
 camp was in
 this woods. I just appreciate their history  abhor
 what was done
 to them..   Lois
   
 
 
  
 
 





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RE: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread Norton, Steve
Doug,
A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO (using
the email address provided at your web site). If I remember right you
recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was wondering if
you use a preservative in your DMSO tinctures? I am considering a
DMSO/vodka tincture and wondered if you have tried something similar. If
you do, would you need to combine the herb and DMSO  and let it set
first before adding the vodka, to maximize bonding between DMSO and herb
components rather than DMSO bonding with alcohol?
I also have a question regarding the tincturing of polkweed. The toxic
components of pokeweed are water soluble. Should one dry and powder the
pokeweed and then go through several soaking in water. Throwing away the
water after each soaking before tincturing to eliminate the toxic
substances? Or would you recommend an extraction using a non polar
solvent to remove only the non water soluble components of the pokeweed?
Thanks,
 Steve N

-Original Message-
From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:01 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSLiposomal Vitamin C

You might check out my new webpage:

http://www.racehorseherbal.com/Infections/LET/let.html

I tried to summarize everything,

doug


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Re: CS Native American stories--OT

2009-09-30 Thread zoe w


Im glad you are enjoying the stories.

zoe

AHorse52251 wrote:

Zoe,
   Thank you for posting the group!
   I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive person, tuned into things around me. 
I wish I were. I can certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people 
native to this country. There *should* have been white bodies hanging from 
trees all across this country for what the white man did, IMO.
No other minority had annihilation attempted on them in this country that I 
ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my soapbox, not that I want to...
   Thanks again. I joined and look foreward to the stories!
Janis


--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

  

From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: CS  Native American stories--
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM



  

 
It is good that you are that sensitive.   Yes  if you
listen closely 
you can still hear them whisper.   I am hardpressed to

find  any place
on this continent  that wasn't once  either a
campground  or
huntingground  or otherwise steeped in the history  of
one tribe or
another.Sleeping out under the stars  used to put
me in touch with
the  ancestors,  wish I could still do that sort of
thing.I can
still  sit in the woods  by myself  and get tuned in
that way.



zoe



zzekel...@aol.com
wrote:

  
  
  
  
  In a message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern

Daylight
Time, mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
writes:
  Lois,

Most of the stories told by my Grandpa  were very
personal  family
stories that would have no meaning to outsiders.   Ours
have been
preserved  and are being passed down to successive
generations of which
there are three  beyond myself so far.If you are
looking for the
generic,   creation,  myth stories  there is a place
you can go.




http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/




Wonderful collections of stories here,   some old,  some
new.




zoe


  
  zoe, I think it is great you are preserving the

stories... I am
not looking for generic, have read many of them. I live in
the land of
the Senecas. One of their camps was within walking distance
of where I
live in Letchworth State Park. It is almost as if I can
sense their
presence here in my woods. It is said that their winter
camp was in
this woods. I just appreciate their history  abhor
what was done
to them..   Lois
  



 



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Re: CSLypo-spheric vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread Del

I took Livon lipospheric C for 30 days (1 box).
Didn't notice a thing.
Darn, wonder what that means?

Del
- Original Message - 
From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com

To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:33 PM
Subject: CSLypo-spheric vitamin C


I suppose all you who are making liposomal vitamin C are also taking it. 
Have any of you had stomach pains or worse?  The first two times I took my 
Livon lipospheric C, I felt a little queasy which went away soon as I ate 
something.  The last time, Friday night, I took some late because I felt a 
little funny like I might have something coming on or an allergy.  I woke 
about 2 1/2 hours later with terrible sharp stomach pain which then turned 
queasy.  (Runs X 3 after that) After sipping colloidal silver every 10 or 
15 minutes, I was feeling well enough to go back to bed in about an hour. 
I was back to normal in 12 hours.  I probably had picked up germs from 
eating persimmons off the ground, or who knows where, but I'm a little 
afraid it was the C.  I'll wait for a good day when I don't have anywhere 
to go to try it again.


Pat






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Re: CSDMSO and poke

2009-09-30 Thread polo

Steve,

   I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you 
are planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry 
herbs, I would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used 
and varies from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you 
tincture dry poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would 
likewise use a 50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for 
ethanol.


   DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths, 
just like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in 
ethanol, presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal 
tinctures 30% or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High 
purity DMSO in my tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture 
spoil.


   I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination 
menstruum. Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a 
solvent standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if 
one by itself could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more 
efficient vehicle of herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an 
advantage too, though most people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by 
either using a combined DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb 
in a DMSO or ethanol menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be 
ok to my way of thinking.


   The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines 
from the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root 
tincture was made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root 
is no where near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are 
highly exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the 
young one or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal 
distress, but that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that 
vomiting as a result of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly 
by the puke  cleanse old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the 
widely publicized toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young 
children in the long ago past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe 
so. We don't know how much they ate, nor if they were compromised in some 
way or if younger systems are more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries 
were commonly used for arthritic conditions. As the old cliché goes, all 
things are poison in the right amounts and most poisons are medicinal in 
smaller amounts. Poke is no different. It is one of my favorite herbs and a 
superb anti-viral and lymphatic stimulant. It is great as a topical DMSO 
tincture.


doug


- Original Message - 


Doug,
A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO (using
the email address provided at your web site). If I remember right you
recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was wondering if
you use a preservative in your DMSO tinctures? I am considering a
DMSO/vodka tincture and wondered if you have tried something similar. If
you do, would you need to combine the herb and DMSO  and let it set
first before adding the vodka, to maximize bonding between DMSO and herb
components rather than DMSO bonding with alcohol?
I also have a question regarding the tincturing of polkweed. The toxic
components of pokeweed are water soluble. Should one dry and powder the
pokeweed and then go through several soaking in water. Throwing away the
water after each soaking before tincturing to eliminate the toxic
substances? Or would you recommend an extraction using a non polar
solvent to remove only the non water soluble components of the pokeweed?
Thanks,
Steve N



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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread Roger and Lisa Royal
Are you in the US?  I buy ACV at the health food store or Kroger, etc.  for 
about $4 per 16 oz.  I only use about a tablespoon in his drinking water--maybe 
even half of that (1/2 tablespoon)  Yes, you need the cloudy kind with the 
mother.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Fuzzmom 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:34 PM
  Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax


  Oh thank you will get..need about a gallon of it..and i assume youmean 
the raw cloudy type? where would I find a large amount the small bottles are 
expensive. 
- Original Message - 
From: Roger and Lisa Royal 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax


We have suffered with fleas on my dog for the past 2 years.  I have tried 
all the natural remedies I could find like DE and garlic, but nothing worked.  
The only thing that worked was Comfortis, a probably vile, monthly medication.  
FINALLY,  I read about apple cider vinegar being good for fleas.  I started 
putting a splash in his water (probably a 4 cup water bowl), and he has been 
flea free for several months now.  It has been a god send for us.  He doesn't 
seem to mind the taste either, thank goodness.  I am so happy to spread the 
word about this and hope it helps someone else!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Fuzzmom 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:53 AM
  Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax


  Please tell me how you get permanent riddence I am s allergic I can't 
sleep and the sprays dips etc do nothing. 
- Original Message - 
From: zoe w 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: CSOT boron and borax


Borax  does kill the fleas  but not the eggs  which is why you have to 
do it again  in a few days. Twice was all I needed to get permanent 
riddance.

zoe

Kirsteen Wright wrote: 


 I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? ive tried 
Everything..diatomaceous earth works some but not very fast and i am allergic 
to them.

  I don't know about that but the herb pennyroyal works great for 
fleas. I don't think it kills them but they hate it so if you manage to get rid 
of them, it keeps them away. We used to regularly get flleas until i discovered 
it, as the cats would bring them in. After that, I always spread some dried 
pennyroyal on the mattressess under the sheets and this kept the beds free. I'd 
also sprinkle some on the floors and then sweep it into the cracks in the 
floorboards (we had varnished floors).

  I'd then rub the herb over myself and take the cat outside and rub 
pennyroyal through it's coat. The cat didn't mind but you could literally see 
clouds of fleas leaping off it.  

  good luck
  Kirsteen











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Re: CSOT boron and borax

2009-09-30 Thread zoe w

Amazon.com   sells it by the gallon.

zoe


Roger and Lisa Royal wrote:
Are you in the US?  I buy ACV at the health food store or Kroger, 
etc.  for about $4 per 16 oz.  I only use about a tablespoon in his 
drinking water--maybe even half of that (1/2 tablespoon)  Yes, you 
need the cloudy kind with the mother.


- Original Message -
*From:* Fuzzmom mailto:fuzzm...@frontier.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSOT boron and borax

Oh thank you will get..need about a gallon of it..and i assume
youmean the raw cloudy type? where would I find a large amount the
small bottles are expensive.

-





Re: CSOT boron and borax Chuck

2009-09-30 Thread ZZekelink
 
In a message dated 9/29/2009 6:24:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cking...@nycap.rr.com writes:

Chuck
No moving parts! I'm so sorry.  :-)







Re: CSOT boron and borax ( fleas )

2009-09-30 Thread ZZekelink
 
In a message dated 9/30/2009 3:49:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
fuzzm...@frontier.com writes:

I've  also heard it's good for fleas? Is it?


I have read that it works, also as an ant  other creepys barrier when  put 
in a 2 line around the outside of your house...Haven't tried  it.


Re: CSLypo-spheric vitamin C

2009-09-30 Thread cking001
Well, here's a stab at it...
When I make it, I use a heaping tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder.
Approx 20 grams.

That amount (not liposomal encapsulated) would most definitely exceed
anyone's bowel tolerance.

Going through the encapsulating process, it's tolerable although some
rumbling is noticeable and the stool is somewhat liquid.
I believe I'm pushing the envelope.

I would not be surprised to hear that some might have a bit of
distress. 
My longtime experience with regular large dose C is that you
accustomize to the dosage fairly quickly (a day or so).

Chuck
Virtual reality is its own reward.


On 9/30/2009 4:33:16 PM, Pat (pattycake29...@yahoo.com) wrote:
 I suppose all you who are making liposomal vitamin C are also taking it.
 Have any of you had stomach pains or worse?  The first two times I took my
 Livon lipospheric C, I felt a little queasy which went away soon as I ate
 something.  The last time, Friday night, I took some late because I felt a
 little funny like I might have something coming on or an allergy.  I woke
 about 2 1/2 hours later with terrible sharp stomach pain which then turned
 queasy.  (Runs X 3 after that) After sipping colloidal silver every 10 or
 15 minutes, I was feeling well enough to go back to bed in about an hour.
 I was back to normal in 12 hours.  I probably had picked up germs from
 eating persimmons off the ground, or who knows where, but
 I'm a little afraid it was the C.  I'll wait for a good day when I don't have 
 anywhere to go to try it again.
 
 Pat
 
 
 
 
 
 
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CSLung Cancer

2009-09-30 Thread Deborah Gerard
I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she has lung 
cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would surely be appreciated 
by her family,
thanks deb


  

Re: CSLung Cancer

2009-09-30 Thread Garnet
Tell her to check out Low Dose Naltrexone. It raises 
endorphin levels
by 300%. Cancers that are sensitive to endorphins, including 
lung

cancer, respond to this increase by shrinking.

Dr Bert Burkson of Las Cruces New Mexico has treated many cancer
patients with LDN and IV Alpha Lipoic Acid. Most are late 
stage by the
time the look for alt treatments. He has video presentations 
on You Tube
that are listed on the LDN Information list along with many 
other videos

from LDN conferences.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information is a resource 
list only
and generates no messages. Just lots of links and files to 
LDN info.


Cancer
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ldnforcancer  

Cancer
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_4_cancer  

Lung Cancer
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lung-Cancer-Support-Group


www.ldndatabase.com  has reports of people taking LDN, the 
site owner's
wife was given months to live and she has been over 18 
months on LDN.



There are many more resources but these should be a good start.

Garnet

Deborah Gerard wrote:
I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she has 
lung cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would surely be 
appreciated by her family,

thanks deb




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Re: CS Native American stories--OT

2009-09-30 Thread Sandy
My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the 
opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and 
the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to 
see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the 
Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away.

My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men 
would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross 
to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence.

I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not 
want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from 
my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not 
Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her 
children to be proud of it too and we are.

Just thought I would share some of my Native American history.

Sandy 

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
 Subject: Re: CS  Native American stories--OT
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:11 PM
 
 Im glad you are enjoying the stories.
 
 zoe
 
 AHorse52251 wrote:
  Zoe,
     Thank you for posting the group!
     I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive
 person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can
 certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people
 native to this country. There *should* have been white
 bodies hanging from trees all across this country for what
 the white man did, IMO.
  No other minority had annihilation attempted on them
 in this country that I ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my
 soapbox, not that I want to...
     Thanks again. I joined and look foreward
 to the stories!
  Janis
  
  
  --- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
 wrote:
  
    
  From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
  Subject: Re: CS  Native American
 stories--
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM
  
  
  
    
   It is good that you are that
 sensitive.   Yes  if you
  listen closely you can still hear them
 whisper.   I am hardpressed to
  find  any place
  on this continent  that wasn't once 
 either a
  campground  or
  huntingground  or otherwise steeped in the
 history  of
  one tribe or
  another.    Sleeping out under the
 stars  used to put
  me in touch with
  the  ancestors,  wish I could still do
 that sort of
  thing.    I can
  still  sit in the woods  by myself 
 and get tuned in
  that way.
  
  
  
  zoe
  
  
  
  zzekel...@aol.com
  wrote:
  
            In a
 message dated 9/30/2009 12:22:30 A.M. Eastern
  Daylight
  Time, mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
  writes:
    Lois,
  
  Most of the stories told by my Grandpa  were
 very
  personal  family
  stories that would have no meaning to
 outsiders.   Ours
  have been
  preserved  and are being passed down to
 successive
  generations of which
  there are three  beyond myself so far. 
   If you are
  looking for the
  generic,   creation,  myth
 stories  there is a place
  you can go.
  
      
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IPLStories/
  
      
  Wonderful collections of stories
 here,   some old,  some
  new.
  
      
  zoe
  
          zoe, I think
 it is great you are preserving the
  stories... I am
  not looking for generic, have read many of them. I
 live in
  the land of
  the Senecas. One of their camps was within walking
 distance
  of where I
  live in Letchworth State Park. It is almost as if
 I can
  sense their
  presence here in my woods. It is said that their
 winter
  camp was in
  this woods. I just appreciate their history 
 abhor
  what was done
  to them..   Lois
    
  
   
 
 
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Re: CSLung Cancer

2009-09-30 Thread Acmeair


ldn_4_can...@yahoogroups.com 

take a look at this site. jimLDN_4_cancer LDN_4_cancer Sep 30, 2009 04:06:37 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:


I have a 54 year old lady from another group who has sharred she has lung cancer. Any and all advice to go after this cancer would surely be appreciated by her family,
thanks deb


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Re: CS Native American stories--OT

2009-09-30 Thread zoe w

Sandy wrote:

My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had the 
opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about Geronimo and 
the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth place. She took us to 
see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his horse jumped from into the 
Medicine River to get away from the US Calvary...he lived and did get away.

My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the white men 
would spit on her and her family and then they [the white people] would cross 
to the other side of the street so as to not be soiled by their presence.

I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother did not 
want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned children]...even from 
my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on my father claims we are not 
Apache but he lies...my Mother was very proud of her heritage and wanted her 
children to be proud of it too and we are.

Just thought I would share some of my Native American history.

Sandy 


--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

  

From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: CS  Native American stories--OT
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:11 PM

Im glad you are enjoying the stories.

zoe

AHorse52251 wrote:


Zoe,
Thank you for posting the group!
I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive
  

person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can
certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people
native to this country. There *should* have been white
bodies hanging from trees all across this country for what
the white man did, IMO.


No other minority had annihilation attempted on them
  

in this country that I ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my
soapbox, not that I want to...


Thanks again. I joined and look foreward
  

to the stories!


Janis


--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
  

wrote:

   
  

From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: CS  Native American


stories--


To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM



   
  It is good that you are that


sensitive.   Yes  if you


listen closely you can still hear them


whisper.   I am hardpressed to


find  any place
on this continent  that wasn't once 


either a


campground  or
huntingground  or otherwise steeped in the


history  of


one tribe or
another.Sleeping out under the


stars  used to put


me in touch with
the  ancestors,  wish I could still do


that sort of


thing.I can
still  sit in the woods  by myself 


and get tuned in


that way.



zoe






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RE: CSDMSO and poke

2009-09-30 Thread Norton, Steve
Doug,

I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. 
Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known  different pokeweed 
antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed (PAP-I from 
spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from late summer 
leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of genomic virus RNA. 
And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across mitogens in any other 
plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating 
properties.

I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any red 
parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest amount of 
toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the seeds. 

When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut or 
weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that you 
offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for shoots, 
roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would like 
enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for 
tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough.

Thanks,
 Steve N

-Original Message-
From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke

Steve,

I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you are 
planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry herbs, I 
would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used and varies 
from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you tincture dry 
poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would likewise use a 
50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for ethanol.

DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths, just 
like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in ethanol, 
presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal tinctures 30% 
or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High purity DMSO in my 
tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture spoil.

I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination menstruum. 
Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a solvent 
standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if one by itself 
could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more efficient vehicle of 
herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an advantage too, though most 
people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by either using a combined 
DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb in a DMSO or ethanol 
menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be ok to my way of thinking.

The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines from 
the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root tincture was 
made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root is no where 
near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are highly 
exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the young one 
or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal distress, but 
that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that vomiting as a result 
of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly by the puke  cleanse 
old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the widely publicized 
toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young children in the long ago 
past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe so. We don't know how much 
they ate, nor if they were compromised in some way or if younger systems are 
more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries were commonly used for arthritic 
conditions. As the old cliché goes, all things are poison in the right amounts 
and most poisons are medicinal in smaller amounts. Poke is no different. It is 
one of my favorite herbs and a superb anti-viral and lymphatic stimulant. It is 
great as a topical DMSO tincture.

doug


- Original Message - 

 Doug,
 A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO 
 (using the email address provided at your web site). If I remember 
 right you recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was 
 wondering if you use a preservative in your DMSO tinctures? I am 
 considering a DMSO/vodka tincture and wondered if you have tried 
 something similar. If you do, would you need to combine the herb and 
 DMSO  and let it set first before adding the vodka, to maximize 
 bonding between DMSO and herb components rather than DMSO bonding with 
 alcohol?
 I also have a question regarding the tincturing of polkweed. The toxic 
 components of pokeweed are water soluble. Should one dry and powder 
 the pokeweed and then go through several soaking in water. Throwing 

RE: CSDMSO and poke

2009-09-30 Thread Lisa
Doug what's your website?

-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:31 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSDMSO and poke

Doug,

I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. 
Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known  different
pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed
(PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from
late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of
genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across
mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And
in it's immune stimulating properties.

I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any
red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest
amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the
seeds. 

When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut
or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that
you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for
shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would
like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for
tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough.

Thanks,
 Steve N

-Original Message-
From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke

Steve,

I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you
are planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry
herbs, I would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used
and varies from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you
tincture dry poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would
likewise use a 50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for
ethanol.

DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths,
just like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in
ethanol, presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal
tinctures 30% or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High
purity DMSO in my tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture
spoil.

I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination
menstruum. Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a
solvent standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if
one by itself could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more
efficient vehicle of herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an
advantage too, though most people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by
either using a combined DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb
in a DMSO or ethanol menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be
ok to my way of thinking.

The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines
from the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root
tincture was made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root
is no where near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are
highly exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the
young one or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal
distress, but that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that
vomiting as a result of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly
by the puke  cleanse old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the
widely publicized toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young
children in the long ago past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe
so. We don't know how much they ate, nor if they were compromised in some
way or if younger systems are more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries
were commonly used for arthritic conditions. As the old cliché goes, all
things are poison in the right amounts and most poisons are medicinal in
smaller amounts. Poke is no different. It is one of my favorite herbs and a
superb anti-viral and lymphatic stimulant. It is great as a topical DMSO
tincture.

doug


- Original Message - 

 Doug,
 A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO 
 (using the email address provided at your web site). If I remember 
 right you recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was 
 wondering if you use a preservative in your DMSO tinctures? I am 
 considering a DMSO/vodka tincture and wondered if you have tried 
 something similar. If you do, would you need to combine the herb and 
 DMSO  and let it set first before adding the vodka, to maximize 
 bonding between DMSO and herb components rather than DMSO bonding with
alcohol?
 I also have a question regarding the tincturing 

Re: CSDMSO and poke

2009-09-30 Thread polo
Oh, just reimburse me for the postage and I can send you some fresh root. It 
needs to be dug after our first frost which is a ways off yet. Berries would 
be much harder and I don't generally pick or sell them.


doug


- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: CSDMSO and poke



Doug,

I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting.
Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known  different 
pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed 
(PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III 
from late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination 
of genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come 
across mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with 
mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating properties.


I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with 
any red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the 
highest amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not 
eat the seeds.


When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not 
cut or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see 
that you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your 
prices for shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for 
each? I would like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The 
rest would be for tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if 
there are enough.


Thanks,
Steve N



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Re: CSDMSO and poke

2009-09-30 Thread polo

www.racehorseherbal.com


- Original Message - 
From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: RE: CSDMSO and poke



Doug what's your website?



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Re: CS Native American stories--OT

2009-09-30 Thread zoe w

Sorry   hit the wrong button earlier.

Sandy  thanks so much for sharing your story.  It is unfortunate,  but 
many of us  suffered  similar torments.Hang on to that pride,  it 
will carry you thru  many a trial and tribulation.


zoe

zoe w wrote:

Sandy wrote:
My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had 
the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about 
Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth 
place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his 
horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US 
Calvary...he lived and did get away.


My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the 
white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white 
people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be 
soiled by their presence.


I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother 
did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned 
children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on 
my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very 
proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too 
and we are.


Just thought I would share some of my Native American history.

Sandy
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Re: CS Native American stories--OT

2009-09-30 Thread Donna


Sandy, 


Glad you shared your story!  It is sad the way people have been so 
cruel to others.  I know being from Cherokee my Grandfather use to 
deal with alot of discrimination.  He had a farm and one time a man 
came looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended up 
not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and would not pay 
him a dime for his horse.  I raised my children to be respectful to 
everyone and not to be   prejudice.  I also have a handicapped 
daughter and young children would come up to her wheelchair and ask 
why she can't walk and their parents would pull them away.  I would 
always try to answer them to let them know.  I feel sorry for these 
kids that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents, children are 
not born that way.


Donna ACS


My Great-Grandmother was full blood Apache but she died before I had 
the opportunity to meet her. My Mother used to tell us stories about 
Geronimo and the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, my mother's birth 
place. She took us to see the bluff [Medicine Bluff] where he and his 
horse jumped from into the Medicine River to get away from the US 
Calvary...he lived and did get away.


My Mother was a half-breed and as a child when walking in Phoenix the 
white men would spit on her and her family and then they [the white 
people] would cross to the other side of the street so as to not be 
soiled by their presence.


I lived with prejudice from within my own father's family [his mother 
did not want anything to do with us Native American brown skinned 
children]...even from my own father. Now that my Mother has passed on 
my father claims we are not Apache but he lies...my Mother was very 
proud of her heritage and wanted her children to be proud of it too 
and we are.


Just thought I would share some of my Native American history.

Sandy
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 

From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: CS  Native American stories--OT
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:11 PM

Im glad you are enjoying the stories.

zoe

AHorse52251 wrote:
   

Zoe,
Thank you for posting the group!
I am sorry to say I am not a sensitive
  

person, tuned into things around me. I wish I were. I can
certainly agree with Lois in what was done to the people
native to this country. There *should* have been white
bodies hanging from trees all across this country for what
the white man did, IMO.
   

No other minority had annihilation attempted on them
  

in this country that I ever heard of. OK, I'll get off my
soapbox, not that I want to...
   

Thanks again. I joined and look foreward
  

to the stories!
   

Janis


--- On Wed, 9/30/09, zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
  

wrote:
   


From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: CS  Native American


stories--
   

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:46 PM



 It is good that you are that


sensitive.   Yes  if you
   

listen closely you can still hear them


whisper.   I am hardpressed to
   

find  any place
on this continent  that wasn't once 

either a
   

campground  or
huntingground  or otherwise steeped in the


history  of
   

one tribe or
another.Sleeping out under the


stars  used to put
   

me in touch with
the  ancestors,  wish I could still do


that sort of
   

thing.I can
still  sit in the woods  by myself 

and get tuned in
   

that way.



zoe






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2009-09-30 Thread Deborah Gerard
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Re: CS Native American stories--OT

2009-09-30 Thread zoe w

Excellent point Donna,

Prejudice is taught ! No one is born with it.   It has to be 
learned  and as such  it can be
unlearned  just as well.I see it even in my own family  and it makes 
me very sad indeed.


zoe


Donna wrote:


Sandy, 


Glad you shared your story!  It is sad the way people have been so 
cruel to others.  I know being from Cherokee my Grandfather use to 
deal with alot of discrimination.  He had a farm and one time a man 
came looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended up 
not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and would not pay 
him a dime for his horse.  I raised my children to be respectful to 
everyone and not to be   prejudice.  I also have a handicapped 
daughter and young children would come up to her wheelchair and ask 
why she can't walk and their parents would pull them away.  I would 
always try to answer them to let them know.  I feel sorry for these 
kids that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents, children 
are not born that way.


Donna ACS




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Re: CSLung Cancer

2009-09-30 Thread Bob Banever
Deb.

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Bob
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