CSConfusion Making CS
From: brf brfifi...@rogers.com Date: 22 February 2010 9:44:54 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS Looks like I'm going to have to re-evaluate what I'm doing. Thanks for your thoughts link. I'll try to digest the information. By the way, the distilled water when starting measures at 000. Where are you getting the distilled water from? And note that meters only tell part of the story. They do NOT measure the presence of particles or organic impurities. So as it says below a cup of distilled water that contains a tablespoon of sugar and finely powdered glass may display a ppm reading of near zero even though its obviously not pure. David Heres some stuff about meters... Many people think that a PPM meter gives a definitive reading of the purity of water. This is not true. A ppm meter can only detect those dissolved impurities that raise the electrical conductivity of the water. So a meter can only determine the ppm of the dissolved NON- ORGANIC impurities (e.g. dissolved salts) because only these impurities raise the conductivity. It cannot detect the dissolved ORGANIC impurities* that may also be in the water (e.g. sugar or rotted leaf litter). Nor can a ppm meter detect the microscopic solid particles that may be in the water (i.e. the grit). So a cup of distilled water that contains a tablespoon of sugar and finely powdered glass may display a ppm reading of near zero even though its obviously not pure. So, when using a ppm meter to measure water purity, you have to know if the dissolved organic impurities and the fine particles have been removed along with the salts. The only way to remove all these impurities is with a high quality reverse osmosis/deionisation system or with careful steam distillation. The shortcomings of meters mentioned here should especially be considered when measuring the purity of rain water. Although the rain water may initially be pure, it can become significantly contaminated by organic impurities in the gutters and the tank. Although these impurities are not detectable by the meter they can have quite a detrimental effect on colloidal silver production. (* One qualification to the comment above about the 'non conductivity' of organic impurities concerns the presence of acid. Any acid raises the electrical conductivity of water and can induce a completely meaningless reading on a ppm meter. While organic impurities usually do not register on a ppm meter, a few drops of, say, acidic lemon juice in a glass of water will produce readings in the 100's.) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Loss
This is a brilliant site--thanks! dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 20:33, Renee wrote: Here's a link to his very first daily post page. At the bottom then you can click on 'previous posts' to continue on up to today. Or, to look around his web site just go to the top of the page and click on one of those links. http://www.immortalhair.org/apps/blog/?page=8 Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- What's the link please Renee. I missed that email but maybe if archives are around in future could look self? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Loss - link here
It doesn't say what sort of clay and *how* you wash your hair with it! Is it bentonite, do you think? dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 20:56, scl...@cox.net wrote: I'm posting a link to curezone for a hair growth recipe that seemed to work for my wife. http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1573169#i Steve carolG cgiam...@yahoo.com wrote: = http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/ See below. carol From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com To: CS List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 10:04:09 AM Subject: CSHair Loss Okay, so I found this website while researching DHT and what causes elevated levels and the connection with Iodine and the thyroid. The second page talks about the thyroid hormones and Insulin resistance and T4 and how it's all related. :) Very interesting and informative read with research and reference links. And although it talk about men mostly, I'm sure that elevated levels of DHT in women can cause hair loss as well, especially as those who have thyroid problems usually have an upset in the hormone balances in the HPA axis. http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/ Annie -- Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Use of copper---
You have to be VERY careful with copper supplementation because it it only needed in trace amounts. It can kill if too much is ingested. dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 23:04, Leslie wrote: No, not together; they have the copper sticks as well as the Silver ones and a voltage meter which I don't know why we need one of those. Lee - Original Message - From: zzekel...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: CS Use of copper--- In a message dated 2/21/2010 5:05:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, leslie1...@windstream.net writes: Hi, When I saw Hair Loss I wanted to mention that Utopia is advertising an elec. cs generator that makes copper also. I asked just what was copper for and I was told it was for hair loss and energy. I would like to know if any have any comments on copper. Thanks, Leslie I haven't read about copper use yet either... Is it used in combination with CS (EIS) ? Lois -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit C and iodine shelf life
SSKI is the one that Mercola advocates over Lugols so I would trust that. I use Nascent Iodine which is supposed to be more bioavailable than Lugols too, but I don't know how true that is, or whether its hype. It definitely dissolves better though i.e you can't see the colour when its dropped into water. dee On 22 Feb 2010, at 02:37, Saralou wrote: I have a bottle of stuff that says it's SSKI (potassium iodide) and it also says it's white iodine. Since I don't generally sense anything when I take iodine or don't, I can't tell you if it's affect (that's aaah.fect)is stronger or weaker than that of the brown stuff. The brown stuff seems more effective on cuts; I use the white stuff on my fingernails and in my ears. Paul Bond wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit C and iodine shelf life
Hi Dee, Personally, Mercola is full of it. Your/our body needs both. Go read iodine4health.com to get pros and cons. After you read all of that, if you still believe him, so be it:) Trusting something isn't the same as knowing something, imho. Regards, Craig SSKI is the one that Mercola advocates over Lugols so I would trust that. I use Nascent Iodine which is supposed to be more bioavailable than Lugols too, but I don't know how true that is, or whether its hype. It definitely dissolves better though i.e you can't see the colour when its dropped into water. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.
Here we go with the repetitious, inane, 3rd grade name-calling, again. It's no wonder the 'smart people' no longer have anything to say on silverlist - the wonderful we-we community. Steve Barwick's little finger knows about Colloidal Silver Water than you'll ever know, David. And yeah, Steve is a friend - a much wiser friend than you could ever ascend to. As carefully explained here before, Europe is moving in an evolutionary way, like the progressives in the U.S., to ban silver water. As is the EPA, John McCain and a number of others. You don't fight this battle by sticking your head in the sand... Please WAKE UP... John On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Even though its untrue, I've had half a dozen people say to me that CS has been banned in Europe. Gee, it must be dangerous if its been banned and Hey, Google is full of references that say CS is banned in Europe. Steve Barwick (aka Spencer Jones) is an idiot. All he has done is get more people thinking that perhaps it SHOULD be banned. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMail list (UNCLASSIFIED)
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE My mail from CS list seems to have stoped. Please put me back on mail list. robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: CSVit C and iodine shelf life
I don't happen to agree with you about Mercola at all, but concede that not everyone can know *everything* about *everything! I have looked at this site before but I read a couple of the articles and they mention SSKI as if it is something different to iodine. I thought it *was* iodine. Also, an article on the site by Dr Brownstein says that if you have an iodine deficiency, you should supplement with magnesium and Vit C first. He also says to use Vit C in conjunction with iodine, whereas we have just been having a debate on the list which agrees that Vit C and iodine cancel one another out. So who is right here? dee On 22 Feb 2010, at 10:59, Craig Chamberlin wrote: Hi Dee, Personally, Mercola is full of it. Your/our body needs both. Go read iodine4health.com to get pros and cons. After you read all of that, if you still believe him, so be it:) Trusting something isn't the same as knowing something, imho. Regards, Craig -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSweird!
I got a strange email from Medwith J Robert with something about caveats, which started doing a 'loading' thingy so I deleted it. Has anyone else had this? dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSweird!
In a message dated 2/22/2010 7:25:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: I got a strange email from Medwith J Robert with something about caveats, which started doing a 'loading' thingy so I deleted it. Has anyone else had this? dee -- I did get the message but no downloading thingy. A caveat is a warning to beware. Maybe good you deleted it. I did too. Lois
Re: CSColloid Master??
Despite not addressing a few things like repeatable electrode mounting, edge/corner ion discharge concentration and an uncalibrated PPM dial, the 777 is generally rated among the top 3 for both function and value. My [ biased ] preference for something comparable, but cheaper and does address those things as well as being more power supply versatile is the PocketPuppy. For higher production rates [and more expensive] based on the same operational principles, the SG7 Pro. All 3 work the same way using polarity shifting and make good CS/EIS, with a few differences in those Devilish Details...that don't make a huge amount of difference. Ode At 06:11 PM 2/21/2010 -0600, you wrote: The Colloid Master Model 777 AC A friend has offered to purchase this for me. I have a homemade kit, using 3 9 volt batteries. I have no way to measure the levels, other than I have a red light thingie that will show the tyndall effect. I cook till I have a light tyndall - usually about an hour for a quart of cs. It is effective, has worked, so I haven't tried to do anything fancier. The above is on sale for 139. It has a bunch of bells and whistles, none of which I really understand why they would or wouldn't be good features. It does take 8 hours or so to make a liter, and that is using a fw ounces of the last batch to seed the distilled water. Is this a good generator? Any comments about why so long? Is it making the good (meaning both effective and safe) stuff? Thanks for any input. Sara http://www.wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Maker_777_AC.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Use of copper---
meters don't work at all with colloidal copper. ode At 05:04 PM 2/21/2010 -0600, you wrote: No, not together; they have the copper sticks as well as the Silver ones and a voltage meter which I don't know why we need one of those. Lee - Original Message - From: mailto:zzekel...@aol.comzzekel...@aol.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: CS Use of copper--- In a message dated 2/21/2010 5:05:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mailto:leslie1...@windstream.netleslie1...@windstream.net writes: Hi, When I saw Hair Loss I wanted to mention that Utopia is advertising an elec. cs generator that makes copper also. I asked just what was copper for and I was told it was for hair loss and energy. I would like to know if any have any comments on copper. Thanks, Leslie I haven't read about copper use yet either... Is it used in combination with CS (EIS) ? Lois -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS3600 volts EIS
Really high voltages gets those ions away from the electrodes really fast. That's how most of the commercially sold EIS is made as *time is money*..but that much voltage can shorten your time on Earth even faster. No generator maker in his right mind would sell one to a consumer. Ode At 07:33 PM 2/20/2010 -0800, you wrote: What do you think about the guy who says he makes 40 ppm in a minute or two using a microwave oven 3600 volts? Or something like that. If that really works, then I should be able to make pretty good EIS with the 2000v electrophoresis power supply in a very short time. Maybe I have been over-cooking the stuff trying to get higher ppm...? Dick - Original Message From: poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:17:19 PM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Hello Dick, uS is micro siemens, and is a measure of the conductivity of water. Since the electrodes are spaced 1 cm apart the results come out in uS/cm. Some instruments are set up to display PPM. They do this by measuring the conductivity of a salt solution, then multiplying it by a factor number to arrive at PPM. If you are measuring the same salt concentration that the meter was set up for, you will get reasonably accurate PPM results. Unfortunately, none of the standard calibration solutions are set up for EIS. Trem (SilverGen) made several batches of EIS, tested them with a uS meter, then sent them off for laboratory analysis. He uses a Hanna PWT meter. Since EIS is mostly ionic, and since the PWT meter mostly responds to ions rather than particles, the theory is that the uS value should be close to the actual PPM of silver in the solution once correction factors are applied. The process involves measuring the water you are starting with. When your batch is finished, let it sit for a day or so, then measure it and subtract the initial reading you got for your water. This should be an indicator of the ions in the solution. When Trem got the lab sample reports, he discovered that a typical batch has about 85% ions and 15% particles. He suggests using a 1.2 correction factor for EIS made with his generators. While fine in theory, there is some controversy over this. Ode has also had lab samples done, and does not find the correction factor valid. On top of that, the lab people say that a conductivity measurement will only provide a ball park estimate of the concentration of silver in solution, and the only way to know for sure is to spend the $200/sample and have it analyzed. This is why I gave my results in uS/cm rather than PPM. The main question is to determine what ion contamination can be introduced into the solution when you heat it up. If there is no contamination being introduced, then it is reasonable to believe the concentration is being increased by removing water from it. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSherbal-medicines reference website
Good reference http://www.health-care-tips.org/herbal-medicines/ ode At 10:26 AM 2/21/2010 -0600, you wrote:  Cool, I love poke root. Much undervalued and even worse, surrounded by fear from people who never used it. doug - Original Message - From: mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.comNorton, Steve To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 10:11 AM Subject: CSNatural treatments for cancer confirmed Interesting. Polo, Looks like Pokeweed is getting some good press - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Use of copper---
Yes..but probably not with the newer regulated 24 volt power supplies. You need at least 27-28 volts at the electrodes which an unregulated 100+ milliamp 24 volt supply will deliver @ the Pups current load..the Pup is good to 36 volts in AC or DC. Unregulated power supplies are becoming more and more rare as an energy saving thing and are even illegal in some places now as switching power supplies take over. using less copper and waste less power. #10 house wire is pure by industry standards and will plug right in...but don't push it in too far or you can penetrate a vapor seal and short the board. 3/8 max or just until the wire is grabbed and held. Conductivity never goes over around 3 uS so the Auto Off won't work, nor does a meter...and current control is pointless. You'll get the same results with 4 nines and a couple of lengths of wire. [Or plug 4 nines into a Pup to get the voltage if the OEM supply doesn't deliver it] The only way you can tell you made CC is by the TE and you can't tell how strong. Shelf life is about 2 weeks as it oxidizes to a green/grey sediment. Copper is a micro-nutrient that has to be well regulated if you want to have a nervous system. It shares an elimination system with Silver, thus could decrease Silver elimination rates should there be too much Copper which the body MUST eliminate to avoid damaging the nervous system. GOOGLE Copper Toxicity [Some of the symptoms could be mistaken for Autism and too much Copper could also slow down the elimination of Mercury for a double whammy ] It is very common in the environment and in foods and only rarely needs supplementation for that reason. Copper is added to many skin creams to [supposedly] enhance Collagen production. Copper [And Zinc] kills germs as well as Silver [yes..and Mercury ] and works somewhat better on fungi, but, unlike Silver that has no functional biological niche, it can be quite toxic, though not likely so as it is quite closely regulated by -almost- EVERY bodyor elsebeing actually hard to avoid, you won't survive in most environments. Copper, like Silver, has an affinity for damaged nerve tissues even in the brain, [GOOGLE Cupro-silver staining] but unlike Silver [except at enormous doseages], Copper can actually DO that damage. Careful there. Ode At 05:42 PM 2/21/2010 -0600, you wrote: Ode, does this mean if I put copper wire in the Silver Puppy it will make colloidal copper? Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- No, not together; they have the copper sticks as well as the Silver ones and a voltage meter which I don't know why we need one of those. Lee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.
Hi There David - in my view he is not an idiot, he is in the pay of Big Pharma consciously, physically or subconsciously and life goes on Cheers, have a great and interesting day Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Loss - link here
HOLY COW!! Laser Therapy Pen Specifications: Wavelength: 635nm Output Power: 5mw Price $199 plus shipping. for a standard red laser pen that even takes expensive Lithium batteries. How about $15 and free shipping using 2 AAAs or even less in some places with several beam splitter lenses..but uses 1.5 volt button cells. ode At 02:43 PM 2/21/2010 -0800, you wrote: My wife and I have also found low level laser therapy works well. Some folks on the silver list have also used red LED lights for hair growth. I designed my own laser unit and find it penetrates a little better than LEDs. Both will work though. http://www.freewebs.com/stevelevine/lasertherapypen.htm works well for pain relief too Steve Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com wrote: = Just take zinc too or the balance will get out of kilter and deplete your zinc , and make sure your iron levels are okay. Too much copper without Iron can deplete iron. And big doses or B12 can do the same. A good rule of thumb is approx 2 mg copper to 50 mg zinc. Annie. Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Leslie wrote: Hi, When I saw Hair Loss I wanted to mention that Utopia is advertising an elec. cs generator that makes copper also. I asked just what was copper for and I was told it was for hair loss and energy. I would like to know if any have any comments on copper. Thanks, Leslie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
In the spirit of ballparks...1 to 1 isn't that far off from 1.2 to 1 Trems SG7 samples came out as 98.6% Ionic http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr21/cpr_21.html 13.8 uS/cm =14.6 ppm [Total silver content] [.95uS to 1 PPM ] 14.4 ppm ionic content. Since there can be many environmental reasons more or fewer particles to form out of ions, % particulates will very likely be different from batch to batch. Not only that, but the particles themselves are mostly only one half to one third Silver...so even at 15%, particles that's only 5 to 7% of that 15% as Silver and the balance Hydrogen and/or Oxygen. ode At 01:17 PM 2/20/2010 -0800, you wrote: Hello Dick, uS is micro siemens, and is a measure of the conductivity of water. Since the electrodes are spaced 1 cm apart the results come out in uS/cm. Some instruments are set up to display PPM. They do this by measuring the conductivity of a salt solution, then multiplying it by a factor number to arrive at PPM. If you are measuring the same salt concentration that the meter was set up for, you will get reasonably accurate PPM results. Unfortunately, none of the standard calibration solutions are set up for EIS. Trem (SilverGen) made several batches of EIS, tested them with a uS meter, then sent them off for laboratory analysis. He uses a Hanna PWT meter. Since EIS is mostly ionic, and since the PWT meter mostly responds to ions rather than particles, the theory is that the uS value should be close to the actual PPM of silver in the solution once correction factors are applied. The process involves measuring the water you are starting with. When your batch is finished, let it sit for a day or so, then measure it and subtract the initial reading you got for your water. This should be an indicator of the ions in the solution. When Trem got the lab sample reports, he discovered that a typical batch has about 85% ions and 15% particles. He suggests using a 1.2 correction factor for EIS made with his generators. While fine in theory, there is some controversy over this. Ode has also had lab samples done, and does not find the correction factor valid. On top of that, the lab people say that a conductivity measurement will only provide a ball park estimate of the concentration of silver in solution, and the only way to know for sure is to spend the $200/sample and have it analyzed. This is why I gave my results in uS/cm rather than PPM. The main question is to determine what ion contamination can be introduced into the solution when you heat it up. If there is no contamination being introduced, then it is reasonable to believe the concentration is being increased by removing water from it. Tom - Original Message - From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 7:23 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Interesting... How does the unit uS compare with PPM? I have two meters, one of which measures PPM, and the other uS, and they show very diferent readings on the same stuff. I don't know if that is because the units of measurement are that different, or because one of the meters is very inaccurate... Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConfusion Making CS
So what is the best way of attempting to measure the silver you're producing then? Or is there? From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 3:43:32 AM Subject: CSConfusion Making CS From: brf brfifi...@rogers.com Date: 22 February 2010 9:44:54 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS Looks like I'm going to have to re-evaluate what I'm doing. Thanks for your thoughts link. I'll try to digest the information. By the way, the distilled water when starting measures at 000. Where are you getting the distilled water from? And note that meters only tell part of the story. They do NOT measure the presence of particles or organic impurities. So as it says below a cup of distilled water that contains a tablespoon of sugar and finely powdered glass may display a ppm reading of near zero even though its obviously not pure. David Heres some stuff about meters... Many people think that a PPM meter gives a definitive reading of the purity of water. This is not true. A ppm meter can only detect those dissolved impurities that raise the electrical conductivity of the water. So a meter can only determine the ppm of the dissolved NON-ORGANIC impurities (e.g. dissolved salts) because only these impurities raise the conductivity. It cannot detect the dissolved ORGANIC impurities* that may also be in the water (e.g. sugar or rotted leaf litter). Nor can a ppm meter detect the microscopic solid particles that may be in the water (i.e. the grit). So a cup of distilled water that contains a tablespoon of sugar and finely powdered glass may display a ppm reading of near zero even though its obviously not pure. So, when using a ppm meter to measure water purity, you have to know if the dissolved organic impurities and the fine particles have been removed along with the salts. The only way to remove all these impurities is with a high quality reverse osmosis/deionisation system or with careful steam distillation. The shortcomings of meters mentioned here should especially be considered when measuring the purity of rain water. Although the rain water may initially be pure, it can become significantly contaminated by organic impurities in the gutters and the tank. Although these impurities are not detectable by the meter they can have quite a detrimental effect on colloidal silver production. (* One qualification to the comment above about the 'non conductivity' of organic impurities concerns the presence of acid. Any acid raises the electrical conductivity of water and can induce a completely meaningless reading on a ppm meter. While organic impurities usually do not register on a ppm meter, a few drops of, say, acidic lemon juice in a glass of water will produce readings in the 100's.) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSweird!
Something about this rang a bell and I looked in my utilities folder and there is a keychain access facility and this Medwith J Robert thing has a Certificate in there! I'm just wondering how it got there now and what it means? dee On 22 Feb 2010, at 12:50, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/22/2010 7:25:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: I got a strange email from Medwith J Robert with something about caveats, which started doing a 'loading' thingy so I deleted it. Has anyone else had this? dee -- I did get the message but no downloading thingy. A caveat is a warning to beware. Maybe good you deleted it. I did too. Lois -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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CSweird!
This seems to be an army email system, which has added a trusted certificate on my system somehow. dee PS whatever it is Medwith J Robert has stopped receiving emails from the silver-list and wants to be put back! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.
From looking at his generators and the ad copy, I'd say he doesn't know much about *making* CSW [Using it, maybe yes], but does know a lot about how to manipulate emotions, confuse an issue and how to tell partial truths to accomplish his personal goals. While Progressives control is certainly a threat to freedom on the march, the same tactics of deceit by misdirection are still the same tactics no matter which side uses them. ..not an idiot, merely cunning and devious. [Smart, but not wise. like a good lawyer or a TV Evangelist saying... pay me, or burn in Hell, leaders of a flock, using that flock to validate a self conceived greatness.] ME ME ME sees we we we as a threat to a story one has sold himself on *as* being true. ..just another self proclaimed saviour that would lock sheep up for their own good and call the feed lot a greener pasture, proven so by the number of sheep scared into it gathered into one Safety in Numbers gang, *against* everything else. [They are wrong, therefore, I and my flock are right. ] A believer and an anti-believer are the same thing. SOLD by fear to one choice vs another of the same but opposite stripe, while a thousand other choices march by outside de fences...frighteningly diverse, risky and open to exploration...and uncontrollable...ie the we that a me and my flock cannot stand watch walk free. A true leader has no need for followers. ode At 06:52 AM 2/22/2010 -0500, you wrote: Here we go with the repetitious, inane, 3rd grade name-calling, again. It's no wonder the 'smart people' no longer have anything to say on silverlist - the wonderful we-we community. Steve Barwick's little finger knows about Colloidal Silver Water than you'll ever know, David. And yeah, Steve is a friend - a much wiser friend than you could ever ascend to. As carefully explained here before, Europe is moving in an evolutionary way, like the progressives in the U.S., to ban silver water. As is the EPA, John McCain and a number of others. You don't fight this battle by sticking your head in the sand... Please WAKE UP... John On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Alchemysa mailto:da...@alchemysa.com.auda...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Even though its untrue, I've had half a dozen people say to me that CS has been banned in Europe. Gee, it must be dangerous if its been banned and Hey, Google is full of references that say CS is banned in Europe. Steve Barwick (aka Spencer Jones) is an idiot. All he has done is get more people thinking that perhaps it SHOULD be banned. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.orghttp://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.
Wise words falling on deaf ears I guess Ode. dee On 22 Feb 2010, at 14:41, Ode Coyote wrote: From looking at his generators and the ad copy, I'd say he doesn't know much about *making* CSW [Using it, maybe yes], but does know a lot about how to manipulate emotions, confuse an issue and how to tell partial truths to accomplish his personal goals. While Progressives control is certainly a threat to freedom on the march, the same tactics of deceit by misdirection are still the same tactics no matter which side uses them. ..not an idiot, merely cunning and devious. [Smart, but not wise. like a good lawyer or a TV Evangelist saying... pay me, or burn in Hell, leaders of a flock, using that flock to validate a self conceived greatness.] ME ME ME sees we we we as a threat to a story one has sold himself on *as* being true. ..just another self proclaimed saviour that would lock sheep up for their own good and call the feed lot a greener pasture, proven so by the number of sheep scared into it gathered into one Safety in Numbers gang, *against* everything else. [They are wrong, therefore, I and my flock are right. ] A believer and an anti-believer are the same thing. SOLD by fear to one choice vs another of the same but opposite stripe, while a thousand other choices march by outside de fences...frighteningly diverse, risky and open to exploration...and uncontrollable...ie the we that a me and my flock cannot stand watch walk free. A true leader has no need for followers. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSherbal-medicines reference website
Thank you Ode:) Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Ode Coyote wrote: Good reference http://www.health-care-tips.org/herbal-medicines/ ode At 10:26 AM 2/21/2010 -0600, you wrote:  Cool, I love poke root. Much undervalued and even worse, surrounded by fear from people who never used it. doug - Original Message - From: mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.comNorton, Steve To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 10:11 AM Subject: CSNatural treatments for cancer confirmed Interesting. Polo, Looks like Pokeweed is getting some good press - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Loss - link here
LOL, Ode. Where did you find that? Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Ode Coyote wrote: HOLY COW!! Laser Therapy Pen Specifications: Wavelength: 635nm Output Power: 5mw Price $199 plus shipping. for a standard red laser pen that even takes expensive Lithium batteries. How about $15 and free shipping using 2 AAAs or even less in some places with several beam splitter lenses..but uses 1.5 volt button cells. ode At 02:43 PM 2/21/2010 -0800, you wrote: My wife and I have also found low level laser therapy works well. Some folks on the silver list have also used red LED lights for hair growth. I designed my own laser unit and find it penetrates a little better than LEDs. Both will work though. http://www.freewebs.com/stevelevine/lasertherapypen.htm works well for pain relief too Steve Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com wrote: = Just take zinc too or the balance will get out of kilter and deplete your zinc , and make sure your iron levels are okay. Too much copper without Iron can deplete iron. And big doses or B12 can do the same. A good rule of thumb is approx 2 mg copper to 50 mg zinc. Annie. Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Leslie wrote: Hi, When I saw Hair Loss I wanted to mention that Utopia is advertising an elec. cs generator that makes copper also. I asked just what was copper for and I was told it was for hair loss and energy. I would like to know if any have any comments on copper. Thanks, Leslie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
I think that the better ones are covered with a shell that only dissolves in the intestines. But that is really an assumption on my part. Marshall Deborah Gerard wrote: Thanks Mike :) *From:* M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, February 17, 2010 5:59:27 PM *Subject:* Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? Deb asks: I always wondered how the probiotics make it thru the stomach aciddoes anyone know? Ooh! Ooh! I know! waves hand grin They're probably in the form of spores, which have to be tough enough to survive drying out, temperature swings, and, presumably, inhospitable pH environments. Probably the reason many of those intestinal organisms became human symbiotes is because they made spores that could survive in the environment and be consumed with food. Our ancient ancestors didn't always wash their food, after all! I just looked, and the Wikipedia article on spores seem like it'd fill in the blanks. (I skimmed.) Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSweird!
No loading thing in my message. He just said his emails had stopped and to put him back on the list. But then again, I run my email program sandboxed so who knows. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I got a strange email from Medwith J Robert with something about caveats, which started doing a 'loading' thingy so I deleted it. Has anyone else had this? dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Use of copper---
Thanks Ode. Considering I've had your puppy for, oh, 4 or 5 years now, I'm assuming the regulator wouldn't be one of the energy savers. I was just wondering if it was possible to make CC. Not that I'm interested because I already know, as you say, it can be toxic at higher doses--and how does a person tell if they are at a too high dose? Blood test I suppose, but since we don't even have a family doctor, we'd be hard pressed to get a blood test for it. I have often thought about just buying a bottle of CC and trying it simply because of the 'dead doctors don't lie' guy. I heard him talk once and he said anyone with grey hair has a copper shortage. Since I greyed in my 30's I've often thought about trying the CC for this, but since I'm in my 50's now, and still haven't, you can tell how important it is to me. :) Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Yes..but probably not with the newer regulated 24 volt power supplies. You need at least 27-28 volts at the electrodes which an unregulated 100+ milliamp 24 volt supply will deliver @ the Pups current load..the Pup is good to 36 volts in AC or DC.
Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
Sorry to hear that, I have been very busy lately, bringing up a new server for the business, and have only been quickly skimming through the messages. We have had a few reports of this, but not many. I still say that generally one does not get it from EIS, but there do seem to be a few exceptions. I do hope you are able to find a way to get completely rid of it. I still believe that it will show up in the fingernail moons first, giving a heads up to cut down on it. Did your moons go grey first, or or they still white? Marshall Dave Darrin wrote: Marshal Yes- I have never taken anything but properly made cs. You must not have been following the thread so I will enlighten you. My cs was made with a colloid master 777 ---Pure steam distilled water from walmart ( the 777 won't start up on bad water on standard setting) , the silver was 999 pure and to make it last longer I hung two 9997 maple leaf dollar coins on the silver strips and brewed on setting seven which is what the manufacturer said would make twenty ppm. Even when Mike was saying to add salt to start the batch quicker I did it the proper way with nothing added. No salt no citric acid no protein, I even kept it in filled to the brim sealed jars so it wouldn't get contaminents from the air. I hate to burst your bubble but you CAN get Argera from properly made eis. Dave On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: I didn't say only silver nitrate but rather things like silver nitrate. Things would be soluble silver compounds, and others would be silver citrate and silver chloride. From your message, are you saying that you have gotten argyria from taking properly made EIS? Marshall Dave Darrin wrote: Certainly no citrate in the manufacture. I don't think having a glass of juice some time during the day would qualify. Dave On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: And what about silver citrate? *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com mailto:davedar...@gmail.com mailto:davedar...@gmail.com mailto:davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 19, 2010 11:27:08 AM *Subject:* Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Marshal I have one very small insignificant problem with that statement ( or suggestion)about only silver nitrate does that . Where would I have come about getting silver nitrate in my system? I have never used High Voltage Arc system, only 27 volts dc with polarity switching and decant into canning jars with lids immediately after the brewing process. Not that it makes any difference but I would like to know why you said that. Dave On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Neville Munn wrote: Excuse my pig ignorance, but which layer of skin is *OUR* silver deposited, anyone know? Skin has several layers so I'm curious to know which layer it is? Is it under the first or second, between the third or fourth etc etc? All articles I find relate to silver nitrate or something else, praps my keyboard doesn't know how to ask the 'right' question! I've got the dictionary ready for any scientific mumbo jumbo translations g. N. Find your next place with Ninemsn property Looking for a place to rent, share or buy? http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/ It would have to be in the living layers, thus the dermis, essentially where a tattoo is placed. Probably any and all the living layers, but generally EIS does not deposit in the skin, only things like silver nitrate do that. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
M. G. Devour wrote: I wrote: The following is a relevant, as well as entertaining, experiment run by a past member and a couple of friends... HA! Marshall beat me to it! LOL Who what it that keeps telling us to read all messages before beginning to reply. LOL. Masrhal -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
Richard Goodwin wrote: So Marshall and all you other experts, let me double check with you about the high voltage arcing -- you are sure that it will produce silver nitrate? Yes, especially if the arcing is above the water. using arcs to water was the standard method of producing nitric acid during WWII. Once you produce nitric acid, any silver going into the water will immediately become silver nitrate. Or perhaps can it also be producing silver ions with extra oxygen? (I know, wishful thinking). That is a possibility, have not explored that. However if it did it would precipitate out. The Silver Oxide that we produce that i AgO has a solubility of about .8 ppm. Silver peroxide AgO2 is totally insoluble. I'm just thinking that I used whatever that produced for several years, and it worked great for preventing illness. Only trouble is the beginnings of argyria in my wife, and blue moons in me. Yes, with silver nitrate I would expect that. Silver nitrate is the least stable form of silver that I know of that does not explode when touched. It is also very photo sensitive. It is not generally used in photography because of its high solubility, and lack of stability, reverting back to silver too easily. I guess I'm looking for something to improve on 15-20 ppm low voltage EIS. The reason is that since I went to that a couple of months ago, I have gotten a cold, albeit a mild one, and my wife got that food poisoning after stopping EIS for one week. And we have both noticed that the low voltage EIS does not last very long when we use it for deodorant. The arced stuff, and the silver citrate I just made seem to last 24 hours easily, which makes me think they are much stronger. Try adding some H2O2 to it, maybe 3-4 drops per 8 oz glass, and let sit for 5 minutes or so. Isn't there any way to make a strong EIS without risking argyria? Or is that the tradeoff? The only way to exceed the 20 ppm is to make silver salts instead of EIS, which all will cause argyria. Actually there IS one way according to some postings on here a month or so ago. Supposedly you can slowly boil EIS down to a higher ppm withour it precipitating out, apparently the silver oxide/hydroxide will convert to colloidal and not fall out, but I have never tried it. How about H2O2? I haven't really tried that one yet. That will be next, I guess. For some experiments run long ago and reported here, H2O2 appeared to improve the effectiveness of EIS by from 5:1 to 10:1 if I remember right. Marshall Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Loss - link here
Many people on the clay list wash their hair with clay. Some use it separately and some add liquid clay to their shampoo. They all say it gives nice body to the hair. Most everyone on the clay list uses bentonite, but for shampoo I would imagine any clay would work. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- It doesn't say what sort of clay and *how* you wash your hair with it! Is it bentonite, do you think? dee
Re: CSHair Loss - link here
Renee, You are awaking encyclopedia. What is the clay list link please? I hope it's a yahoo one. Much easier for having lists and managing from having a list myself. Thanks. Appreciate hair info. Didn't even know there was a clay liquidI have the powder...interesting. carol From: Renee gaiac...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 8:30:09 AM Subject: Re: CSHair Loss - link here Many people on the clay list wash their hair with clay. Some use it separately and some add liquid clay to their shampoo. They all say it gives nice body to the hair. Most everyone on the clay list uses bentonite, but for shampoo I would imagine any clay would work. Samala, Renee ---
Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
Marshal The reducing was my post and I didn't say anything about boiling the cs, only putting it on the coffee maker hot plate which will not boil it. It will steam off slowly and not effect the integrity of the brew. You were into color being caused by the size of the particle at the time and I disproved that theory by adding the exact amount of water removed and having it turn back clear. There would be no way that adding the distilled water back in could break the agglomerated silver back into ions. I'm not very smart but that would be my take on it. Dave On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote: Richard Goodwin wrote: So Marshall and all you other experts, let me double check with you about the high voltage arcing -- you are sure that it will produce silver nitrate? Yes, especially if the arcing is above the water. using arcs to water was the standard method of producing nitric acid during WWII. Once you produce nitric acid, any silver going into the water will immediately become silver nitrate. Or perhaps can it also be producing silver ions with extra oxygen? (I know, wishful thinking). That is a possibility, have not explored that. However if it did it would precipitate out. The Silver Oxide that we produce that i AgO has a solubility of about .8 ppm. Silver peroxide AgO2 is totally insoluble. I'm just thinking that I used whatever that produced for several years, and it worked great for preventing illness. Only trouble is the beginnings of argyria in my wife, and blue moons in me. Yes, with silver nitrate I would expect that. Silver nitrate is the least stable form of silver that I know of that does not explode when touched. It is also very photo sensitive. It is not generally used in photography because of its high solubility, and lack of stability, reverting back to silver too easily. I guess I'm looking for something to improve on 15-20 ppm low voltage EIS. The reason is that since I went to that a couple of months ago, I have gotten a cold, albeit a mild one, and my wife got that food poisoning after stopping EIS for one week. And we have both noticed that the low voltage EIS does not last very long when we use it for deodorant. The arced stuff, and the silver citrate I just made seem to last 24 hours easily, which makes me think they are much stronger. Try adding some H2O2 to it, maybe 3-4 drops per 8 oz glass, and let sit for 5 minutes or so. Isn't there any way to make a strong EIS without risking argyria? Or is that the tradeoff? The only way to exceed the 20 ppm is to make silver salts instead of EIS, which all will cause argyria. Actually there IS one way according to some postings on here a month or so ago. Supposedly you can slowly boil EIS down to a higher ppm withour it precipitating out, apparently the silver oxide/hydroxide will convert to colloidal and not fall out, but I have never tried it. How about H2O2? I haven't really tried that one yet. That will be next, I guess. For some experiments run long ago and reported here, H2O2 appeared to improve the effectiveness of EIS by from 5:1 to 10:1 if I remember right. Marshall Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Use of copper---
Just some info for anyone who would like to know, you can join www.lef.org for 75 dollars a year and order your own bolld work and other lab tests for your self and your family through labcorp labs for a very reasonable amount and their lab techs will gp over the result;ts with you, (of course this is for informational purposes, only) and then you can bring copies to your GP if you like to go over the tests with you. we do this at least once a year. HTH Blessings, Karen Conrad - Original Message - From: Renee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Re: CS Use of copper--- Thanks Ode. Considering I've had your puppy for, oh, 4 or 5 years now, I'm assuming the regulator wouldn't be one of the energy savers. I was just wondering if it was possible to make CC. Not that I'm interested because I already know, as you say, it can be toxic at higher doses--and how does a person tell if they are at a too high dose? Blood test I suppose, but since we don't even have a family doctor, we'd be hard pressed to get a blood test for it. I have often thought about just buying a bottle of CC and trying it simply because of the 'dead doctors don't lie' guy. I heard him talk once and he said anyone with grey hair has a copper shortage. Since I greyed in my 30's I've often thought about trying the CC for this, but since I'm in my 50's now, and still haven't, you can tell how important it is to me. :) Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Yes..but probably not with the newer regulated 24 volt power supplies. You need at least 27-28 volts at the electrodes which an unregulated 100+ milliamp 24 volt supply will deliver @ the Pups current load..the Pup is good to 36 volts in AC or DC.
Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
I am pretty sure the blanket was Argon or helium, not carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide would simply replace the nitric acid with carbonic acid, and make silver carbonate instead of silver nitrate. Still not good. But you are correct, placing an inert gas blanket around the area of the arc does resolve the problem. I might add one other note now that I am thinking of it. EIS will aggravate argyria. It normally will NOT seed it, although we do have a few cases where it sounds like it might have. What I mean is that when you take EIS the particulate part passes into the blood, and silver chloride goes into the blood much more slowly. Once in the blood which contains chemicals that could be called developers, and is alkaline, you have the exact conditions needed for photo development, so the silver chloride circulates until it finds a silver particle then reduces and deposits on the particle. It is a non electrolytic process, but a chemical process which is the same as is used when developing negatives and prints. Now if you take a silver compound you have nothing for it to deposit out on, so it will circulate until either it gets eliminated by the kidneys, liver, sweat, or hair, or it reaches the dermis where it is exposed to light which photoreduces it, producing what is called a latent image in photography. What this is is nothing more than the silver chloride becomes silver atoms. Now over time these silver atoms will get moved out as well, unless there is sufficient concentration of silver chloride to deposit silver on the atoms making particles which start growing, the development process, and at some point they can be so big they get stuck Now one thing to note is that they will become stuck at a size smaller than that will will make you appear gray or blue. That is a big problem, because once you have these seeds, even some of the silver chloride which forms from EIS in the stomach can find these seeds in the skin BEFORE finding colloidal particles in the blood, and plate out on them. Thus the protective quality of the colloidal part preventing argyria is greatly reduced. This has been seen by those who have reported that if they use a protocol that they found got rid of the argyria it would still come back after taking normal EIS, because they were not completely eliminating the particles stuck in the skin, but simply reducing them until they no longer absorbed light. This is something Mr. Goodman needs to be aware of since from what he has reported he likely have a high level of silver particles in the skin which can increase in size, even with properly made EIS. . Marshall cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: If you are using high voltage(as from a neon xfmer) and one of your electrodes is slightly above the water (hence the arcing) , you are producing nitric acid in your CS. We discussed this many years ago when Ol' Bob was alive. The answer was to provide a CO2 blanket in the space above the water surface. Or keep both electrodes submerged... Personally, I prefer (and use) Duncan Crows microwave conversion for a pulsed DC system. http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/colloidal_silver.html Chuck More fun than a tube of crazy glue and an imagination. On 2/19/2010 10:06:11 PM, Richard Goodwin (dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com) wrote: So Marshall and all you other experts, let me double check with you about the high voltage arcing -- you are sure that it will produce silver nitrate? Or perhaps can it also be producing silver ions with extra oxygen? (I know, wishful thinking). I'm just thinking that I used whatever that produced for several years, and it worked great for preventing illness. Only trouble is the beginnings of argyria in my wife, and blue moons in me. I guess I'm looking for something to improve on 15-20 ppm low voltage EIS. The reason is that since I went to that a couple of months ago, I have gotten a cold, albeit a mild one, and my wife got that food poisoning after stopping EIS for one week. And we have both noticed that the low voltage EIS does not last very long when we use it for deodorant. The arced stuff, and the silver citrate I just made seem to last 24 hours easily, which makes me think they are much stronger. Isn't there any way to make a strong EIS without risking argyria? Or is that the tradeoff? How about H2O2? I haven't really tried that one yet. That will be next, I guess. Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
poast wrote: Hello Dick, Please understand that this is still in the experimental stage... but I have had pretty good success in making normal EIS, then using heat to concentrate it. It takes a little time and effort to do, but it seems to work very well. I don't know how pure it is, but if I start with a batch that tests at 15 uS/cm and evaporate half of it away, it then tests at about 30 uS/cm. When I continue down to a quarter of the original batch it tests at about 60 uS/cm. Thus part I don't understand. The ionic portion of EIS is silver oxide and silver hydroxide, each with a solubility of only 13 ppm, so combined they have a solubility of 26 ppm. (Actually since they continually convert from one to the other, and theoretically the hydroxide should be much more soluble than the oxide, I believer that what really happens is that with it continually converting from one to the other and back again when dissolved, the the less soluble one really sets the limit for both). So just what IS the compound that is forming the 60 uS part. Is it from carbon dioxide that is absorbed into the air forming silver chloride? Or if an analysis I made earlier where the silver particles get cemented together by silver oxide particles produces an ionic form which increases conduction? I find it curious that the conductivity increases. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Footer problems...
Sorry, I was aware of the fact that the footer does not show up on some messages, but was unaware that you were unaware of it. Marshall M. G. Devour wrote: Hi folks, While massaging the list server configuration, I've discovered an apparently long-standing problem with the footer. You know! The footer? That's appended at the bottom of *every* message from the list? Y'all know the footer, right? Uhh, whaddya mean What footer? THAT footer! The one that says The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver... blah blah blah! It's RIGHT THERE! Uh, oh... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConfusion Making CS
Also note that a bubbler increases the production of silver carbonate, and if you bubble furiously you can get bubble trouble carbonate rubble. Marshall sol wrote: At 01:14 PM 2/20/2010, you wrote: I should have clarified in the last message that I didn't use a bubbler with any of these experiments last night. Thanks Debbie But you ARE using distilled water? Nothing added? When I used an aquarium bubbler with my homemade set up, I found it important to have the bubbles coming out very slowly, one at a time, and also to have it set so the bubbles rose as closely as possible right between the electrodes. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Loss - link here
Hey Carol. Yes, it's a yahoo group. There's lots of info in the files, and then Perry (lady, list owner and owner of the Living Clay company) has many testimonials (which include methods of using clay) on her site. Just ask her for the link to her testimonials page. You'll even find one by me there :-) http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/aboutclay/ Plus, if you don't find the hair info fast enough, just ask on list--it's a very friendly group, Perry is VERY nice, and they'll point you right to where you need to be, or repost the info for you. Oh--you make the liquid clay yourself. 8 water to 1 clay. This is how most people ingest their clay, doing one to 2 ounces twice a day. But the liquid clay can be used for lots of stuff. Then there's a hydrated clay, which is 4 water (I think, haven't really made this myself yet) to 1 clay--usually for masks and poultices. Again, all this info is in the files, and Perry's book. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- You are awaking encyclopedia. What is the clay list link please? I hope it's a yahoo one. Much easier for having lists and managing from having a list myself.
Re: CS[List Owner] Footer problems...
First look, oh, you accidentally put in that there are archives, which we all know are not really there. Second look, OH WOW, they ARE THERE Great work Mike. Marshall M. G. Devour wrote: Why, THANK YOU, Chuck! Now... Do you NOTICE anything SPECIAL about that FOOTER ANYBODY? evil grin Mike D. Here Ya go, Mike : The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com And BTW, TEST!!! Chuck Modemus Operandi,torture the data till it confesses
Re: CS Use of copper---
It should, although copper oxidizes pretty quickly from what I have heard so after a few days it will look like something the witches of Eastwick brewed (pretty turqouise green though). Marshall Renee wrote: Ode, does this mean if I put copper wire in the Silver Puppy it will make colloidal copper? Samala, Renee /---Original Message---/ No, not together; they have the copper sticks as well as the Silver ones and a voltage meter which I don't know why we need one of those. Lee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSweird!
I think mine is sandboxed automatically as it is a Mac. dee On 22 Feb 2010, at 15:12, Annie B Smythe wrote: No loading thing in my message. He just said his emails had stopped and to put him back on the list. But then again, I run my email program sandboxed so who knows. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloid Master??
Thanks Mary Ann... Sara Hi Sara. It's a great generator. I've had mine for almost ten years. During that time, it has made no less than three batches a week, and at times I've made as many as fourteen batches a week (2 per day). It is a quality unit, worry-free. You'll enjoy the bells and whistles, once you know what they are and how to put them to use. You may find that it doesn't take as long to make a batch, as they say. I never seed my batches, but I'm looking for a low-ppm (5-10) and it can take as few as three hours to make a quart. And yes -- it makes the good stuff!! :-) MA *From:* Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sun, February 21, 2010 6:11:58 PM *Subject:* CSColloid Master?? The Colloid Master Model 777™ AC A friend has offered to purchase this for me. I have a homemade kit, using 3 9 volt batteries. I have no way to measure the levels, other than I have a red light thingie that will show the tyndall effect. I cook till I have a light tyndall - usually about an hour for a quart of cs. It is effective, has worked, so I haven't tried to do anything fancier. The above is on sale for 139. It has a bunch of bells and whistles, none of which I really understand why they would or wouldn't be good features. It does take 8 hours or so to make a liter, and that is using a fw ounces of the last batch to seed the distilled water. Is this a good generator? Any comments about why so long? Is it making the good (meaning both effective and safe) stuff? Thanks for any input. Sara http://www.wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Maker_777_AC.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloid Master??
Hi Maryann, I bought one of these generatory last June. Since I'm llving over here in Germany, I had to get the Universal one cause of the european voltage which is about $40 bucks more. It was a disappointment to see that the extra $40 bucks was for something I could get at Radio Shack back in the States for a few bucks. Then I can't tell you if the red light that is on there ever went on. Its supposed to turn off and let you kow it was done. With mine, I have to keepp watching it til the green light goes off, cause it will keep on brewing. I can't say that it only takes 3 hours to make a 10ppm mix, I've had a good 6 plus hours, but maybe we could blame that on sea level, atmospheric pressure, and electromagnetic fields. I attempted a 25 ppm mix, but that one turned to a violet tint for some reason. I watered the plants with that one. The second batch is still practically as clear as water, but that might be cause I watched it more closely, and turned if off after about 14 hours. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy to have this thing, cause I figure if it should ever fail on me totally, at least I'll have the parts and set up that maybe I can fix it for real, and make it whole, but as is, I'm pretty disappointed. I also made a lid with slits for the silver electrodes for my brewing jar, its a real pain to try to get the strips to hang somewhat aligned to each other with the right distance between them. Now its so much easier, and there's even a bit more extra silver dispensed into the water. I'm just passing this along as my own personal review of this particular generator. I am in the market for possibly a second generator, but the one I want would be too costly to send over here, so I'll just sit tight, and wait for something to come along. Aldi On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:01 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: Hi Sara. It's a great generator. I've had mine for almost ten years. During that time, it has made no less than three batches a week, and at times I've made as many as fourteen batches a week (2 per day). It is a quality unit, worry-free. You'll enjoy the bells and whistles, once you know what they are and how to put them to use. You may find that it doesn't take as long to make a batch, as they say. I never seed my batches, but I'm looking for a low-ppm (5-10) and it can take as few as three hours to make a quart. And yes -- it makes the good stuff!! :-) MA
Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
Well, actually I do believe that they are aggregating, then breaking apart again when you dilute. You must have missed my post on a theory as to how that happens when I posted it a month or so ago. Here it is again: As the water evaporates the silver oxide reaches saturation, and precipitates out. These precipitated molecules have an affinity for the silver particles and thus stick to them which then provides a site for another particle to stick to, thus we end up with particles stuck together with silver oxide as the mortar. So the particles grow larger, but are really like popcorn balls, where the popcorn is the original silver particles, and the candy is the silver oxide. Now since the particles are indeed larger they will end up absorbing light toward the longer wavelengths, just like silver particles without the oxide do, and thus will make the expected color changes. But when you dilute back with distilled water, the content of dissolved silver oxide drops below the saturation point, and the silver oxide glue holding the bunch of small particles together dissolves, and they fall apart, returning to like they were before the solution was concentrated. Marshall Dave Darrin wrote: Marshal The reducing was my post and I didn't say anything about boiling the cs, only putting it on the coffee maker hot plate which will not boil it. It will steam off slowly and not effect the integrity of the brew. You were into color being caused by the size of the particle at the time and I disproved that theory by adding the exact amount of water removed and having it turn back clear. There would be no way that adding the distilled water back in could break the agglomerated silver back into ions. I'm not very smart but that would be my take on it. Dave On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Richard Goodwin wrote: So Marshall and all you other experts, let me double check with you about the high voltage arcing -- you are sure that it will produce silver nitrate? Yes, especially if the arcing is above the water. using arcs to water was the standard method of producing nitric acid during WWII. Once you produce nitric acid, any silver going into the water will immediately become silver nitrate. Or perhaps can it also be producing silver ions with extra oxygen? (I know, wishful thinking). That is a possibility, have not explored that. However if it did it would precipitate out. The Silver Oxide that we produce that i AgO has a solubility of about .8 ppm. Silver peroxide AgO2 is totally insoluble. I'm just thinking that I used whatever that produced for several years, and it worked great for preventing illness. Only trouble is the beginnings of argyria in my wife, and blue moons in me. Yes, with silver nitrate I would expect that. Silver nitrate is the least stable form of silver that I know of that does not explode when touched. It is also very photo sensitive. It is not generally used in photography because of its high solubility, and lack of stability, reverting back to silver too easily. I guess I'm looking for something to improve on 15-20 ppm low voltage EIS. The reason is that since I went to that a couple of months ago, I have gotten a cold, albeit a mild one, and my wife got that food poisoning after stopping EIS for one week. And we have both noticed that the low voltage EIS does not last very long when we use it for deodorant. The arced stuff, and the silver citrate I just made seem to last 24 hours easily, which makes me think they are much stronger. Try adding some H2O2 to it, maybe 3-4 drops per 8 oz glass, and let sit for 5 minutes or so. Isn't there any way to make a strong EIS without risking argyria? Or is that the tradeoff? The only way to exceed the 20 ppm is to make silver salts instead of EIS, which all will cause argyria. Actually there IS one way according to some postings on here a month or so ago. Supposedly you can slowly boil EIS down to a higher ppm withour it precipitating out, apparently the silver oxide/hydroxide will convert to colloidal and not fall out, but I have never tried it. How about H2O2? I haven't really tried that one yet. That will be next, I guess. For some experiments run long ago and reported here, H2O2 appeared to improve the effectiveness of EIS by from 5:1 to 10:1 if I remember right. Marshall Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and
Re: CSColloid Master??
Interesting. Thanks for the info. I'll look into that. Sara Despite not addressing a few things like repeatable electrode mounting, edge/corner ion discharge concentration and an uncalibrated PPM dial, the 777 is generally rated among the top 3 for both function and value. My [ biased ] preference for something comparable, but cheaper and does address those things as well as being more power supply versatile is the PocketPuppy. For higher production rates [and more expensive] based on the same operational principles, the SG7 Pro. All 3 work the same way using polarity shifting and make good CS/EIS, with a few differences in those Devilish Details...that don't make a huge amount of difference. Ode At 06:11 PM 2/21/2010 -0600, you wrote: The Colloid Master Model 777™ AC A friend has offered to purchase this for me. I have a homemade kit, using 3 9 volt batteries. I have no way to measure the levels, other than I have a red light thingie that will show the tyndall effect. I cook till I have a light tyndall - usually about an hour for a quart of cs. It is effective, has worked, so I haven't tried to do anything fancier. The above is on sale for 139. It has a bunch of bells and whistles, none of which I really understand why they would or wouldn't be good features. It does take 8 hours or so to make a liter, and that is using a fw ounces of the last batch to seed the distilled water. Is this a good generator? Any comments about why so long? Is it making the good (meaning both effective and safe) stuff? Thanks for any input. Sara http://www.wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Maker_777_AC.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Type 11 diabetes! That's bad Dan On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me. She has type 11 diabetes and is on BP meds Metformin and something else, also statins and pain killers for her neuropathy, but still she keeps swigging diet Coke! dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:39, Rowena wrote: Reposted in plain text. It is true, apparently, that they use sweetener as well as sugar, and I read that the reason is that it is cheaper for them to sweeten the drinks with the chemicals than with the real sugar. They don't necessarily identify the fact that sugar is not the only sweetener, either, at least not where I live. Probably if it is below a certain quantity they don't need to report it, and let's face it, very little chemical is needed to sweeten it. There is a pretty horrific list of tales people tell of their symptoms when using Splenda, for instance, which I looked up after the aspartame articles. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.
Get her to at least switch to the diet coke with splenda. It isn't good, but at least it is not as deadly as their main diet coke. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: Type 11 diabetes! That's bad Dan On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me. She has type 11 diabetes and is on BP meds Metformin and something else, also statins and pain killers for her neuropathy, but still she keeps swigging diet Coke! dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:39, Rowena wrote: Reposted in plain text. It is true, apparently, that they use sweetener as well as sugar, and I read that the reason is that it is cheaper for them to sweeten the drinks with the chemicals than with the real sugar. They don't necessarily identify the fact that sugar is not the only sweetener, either, at least not where I live. Probably if it is below a certain quantity they don't need to report it, and let's face it, very little chemical is needed to sweeten it. There is a pretty horrific list of tales people tell of their symptoms when using Splenda, for instance, which I looked up after the aspartame articles. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Loss - link here
We used bentonite and it seemed to work well. You prepare the clay mixture with ACV and then wet your hair and then apply the clay mixture. Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: = It doesn't say what sort of clay and *how* you wash your hair with it! Is it bentonite, do you think? dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 20:56, scl...@cox.net wrote: I'm posting a link to curezone for a hair growth recipe that seemed to work for my wife. http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1573169#i Steve carolG cgiam...@yahoo.com wrote: = http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/ See below. carol From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com To: CS List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 10:04:09 AM Subject: CSHair Loss Okay, so I found this website while researching DHT and what causes elevated levels and the connection with Iodine and the thyroid. The second page talks about the thyroid hormones and Insulin resistance and T4 and how it's all related. :) Very interesting and informative read with research and reference links. And although it talk about men mostly, I'm sure that elevated levels of DHT in women can cause hair loss as well, especially as those who have thyroid problems usually have an upset in the hormone balances in the HPA axis. http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/ Annie -- Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Use of copper---
Renee Copper supplements are indeed small 3 mg elemental Cu, not much is needed. You might try a supplement, very inexpensive. I expect colloidal would be a small dose by definition. A short trial of a few months perhaps? Chuck Chocaholic Mom Has Sugar-Coated Baby. (Named Candy, of course) On 2/22/2010 10:12:05 AM, Renee (gaiac...@gmail.com) wrote: Thanks Ode. Considering I've had your puppy for, oh, 4 or 5 years now, I'm assuming the regulator wouldn't be one of the energy savers. I was just wondering if it was possible to make CC. Not that I'm interested because I already know, as you say, it can be toxic at higher doses--and how does a person tell if they are at a too high dose? Blood test I suppose, but since we don't even have a family doctor, we'd be hard pressed to get a blood test for it. I have often thought about just buying a bottle of CC and trying it simply because of the 'dead doctors don't lie' guy. I heard him talk once and he said anyone with grey hair has a copper shortage. Since I greyed in my 30's I've often thought about trying the CC for this, but since I'm in my 50's now, and still haven't, you can tell how important it is to me. :) Samala, Renee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloid Master??
Aldi On the front panel of the 777 there is a switch that is labeled either standard or fast, the setting you need to use is the standard setting, the red and green lights alternate every minute and the red comes on bright when it shuts off. On the fast setting it is running manually and will brew until you shut it off hence the colors you got. I've never been able to get anything but clear up to 20 ppm (setting # 7)with mine set on standard. Dave On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Golden Aldi goldena...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Maryann, I bought one of these generatory last June. Since I'm llving over here in Germany, I had to get the Universal one cause of the european voltage which is about $40 bucks more. It was a disappointment to see that the extra $40 bucks was for something I could get at Radio Shack back in the States for a few bucks. Then I can't tell you if the red light that is on there ever went on. Its supposed to turn off and let you kow it was done. With mine, I have to keepp watching it til the green light goes off, cause it will keep on brewing. I can't say that it only takes 3 hours to make a 10ppm mix, I've had a good 6 plus hours, but maybe we could blame that on sea level, atmospheric pressure, and electromagnetic fields. I attempted a 25 ppm mix, but that one turned to a violet tint for some reason. I watered the plants with that one. The second batch is still practically as clear as water, but that might be cause I watched it more closely, and turned if off after about 14 hours. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy to have this thing, cause I figure if it should ever fail on me totally, at least I'll have the parts and set up that maybe I can fix it for real, and make it whole, but as is, I'm pretty disappointed. I also made a lid with slits for the silver electrodes for my brewing jar, its a real pain to try to get the strips to hang somewhat aligned to each other with the right distance between them. Now its so much easier, and there's even a bit more extra silver dispensed into the water. I'm just passing this along as my own personal review of this particular generator. I am in the market for possibly a second generator, but the one I want would be too costly to send over here, so I'll just sit tight, and wait for something to come along. Aldi On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:01 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: Hi Sara. It's a great generator. I've had mine for almost ten years. During that time, it has made no less than three batches a week, and at times I've made as many as fourteen batches a week (2 per day). It is a quality unit, worry-free. You'll enjoy the bells and whistles, once you know what they are and how to put them to use. You may find that it doesn't take as long to make a batch, as they say. I never seed my batches, but I'm looking for a low-ppm (5-10) and it can take as few as three hours to make a quart. And yes -- it makes the good stuff!! :-) MA
Re: CSHair Loss - link here
Awesome Dee. Dog doing fabulous!!! Still scratching a little bit but nothing like before..her hair is coming nicely...not seeing hardly any raw red skin Carol From: scl...@cox.net scl...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 1:01:12 PM Subject: Re: CSHair Loss - link here We used bentonite and it seemed to work well. You prepare the clay mixture with ACV and then wet your hair and then apply the clay mixture. Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: = It doesn't say what sort of clay and *how* you wash your hair with it! Is it bentonite, do you think? dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 20:56, scl...@cox.net wrote: I'm posting a link to curezone for a hair growth recipe that seemed to work for my wife. http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1573169#i Steve carolG cgiam...@yahoo.com wrote: = http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/ See below. carol From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com To: CS List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 10:04:09 AM Subject: CSHair Loss Okay, so I found this website while researching DHT and what causes elevated levels and the connection with Iodine and the thyroid. The second page talks about the thyroid hormones and Insulin resistance and T4 and how it's all related. :) Very interesting and informative read with research and reference links. And although it talk about men mostly, I'm sure that elevated levels of DHT in women can cause hair loss as well, especially as those who have thyroid problems usually have an upset in the hormone balances in the HPA axis. http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/ Annie -- Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSmachine question
Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at this point I am confused about which is more effective, ionic or particle. I can't seem to find an answer! One site they say ionic and other site it is particle. I assume you people are very experienced in CS producion and it's uses and looking for some input about the topic. Thanks Bob --- On Mon, 2/22/10, carolG cgiam...@yahoo.com wrote: From: carolG cgiam...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSHair Loss - link here To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:49 PM Awesome Dee. Dog doing fabulous!!! Still scratching a little bit but nothing like before..her hair is coming nicely...not seeing hardly any raw red skin Carol From: scl...@cox.net scl...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 1:01:12 PM Subject: Re: CSHair Loss - link here We used bentonite and it seemed to work well. You prepare the clay mixture with ACV and then wet your hair and then apply the clay mixture. Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: = It doesn't say what sort of clay and *how* you wash your hair with it! Is it bentonite, do you think? dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 20:56, scl...@cox.net wrote: I'm posting a link to curezone for a hair growth recipe that seemed to work for my wife. http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1573169#i Steve carolG cgiam...@yahoo.com wrote: = http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/ See below. carol From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com To: CS List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 10:04:09 AM Subject: CSHair Loss Okay, so I found this website while researching DHT and what causes elevated levels and the connection with Iodine and the thyroid. The second page talks about the thyroid hormones and Insulin resistance and T4 and how it's all related. :) Very interesting and informative read with research and reference links. And although it talk about men mostly, I'm sure that elevated levels of DHT in women can cause hair loss as well, especially as those who have thyroid problems usually have an upset in the hormone balances in the HPA axis. http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/ Annie -- Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit C and iodine shelf life
Hi Dee, Did you google SSKI? SSKI is a saturated solution of potassium iodide KI...hence it being labeled SS (saturated solution) KI. There is potassium iodide (which is a salt) and iodine (which is a halogen). They are different and different parts of the body need KI (such as the thyroid) and others need I (such as breasts). If you read the information in Brownstein's book or on the website I referenced, you would find that the body needs both KI and I which is what Lugol's provides. You may also find Lugol's in tablet form, which is also referenced in Brownstein's book and on the website, and known as Iodoral. There are a number of supplements one needs to add when taking Lugol's/Iodoral. All of which are discussed in Brownstein's book and on the website I referenced. Sorry, not going to jump in on the Vitamin C issue...wasn't part of the original statement *you* made. Again *trusting* something isn't the same as *knowing* something, imho. Kind regards, Craig Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I don't happen to agree with you about Mercola at all, but concede that not everyone can know *everything* about *everything! I have looked at this site before but I read a couple of the articles and they mention SSKI as if it is something different to iodine. I thought it *was* iodine. Also, an article on the site by Dr Brownstein says that if you have an iodine deficiency, you should supplement with magnesium and Vit C first. He also says to use Vit C in conjunction with iodine, whereas we have just been having a debate on the list which agrees that Vit C and iodine cancel one another out. So who is right here? dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
Hello Ode, Just when I think I am beginning to understand EIS, you throw out another curve ball. At least hydrogen and oxygen are somewhat stable and uniform in distilled water. My experience so far is that I am able to get consistent conductivity from batch to batch. My electrodes are dissolving away, so I can only assume that there is some silver present too. However, I guess the only way to know for sure is to send samples in for testing... Does Frank give discounts for multiple samples? Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:16 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? In the spirit of ballparks...1 to 1 isn't that far off from 1.2 to 1 Trems SG7 samples came out as 98.6% Ionic http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr21/cpr_21.html 13.8 uS/cm =14.6 ppm [Total silver content] [.95uS to 1 PPM ] 14.4 ppm ionic content. Since there can be many environmental reasons more or fewer particles to form out of ions, % particulates will very likely be different from batch to batch. Not only that, but the particles themselves are mostly only one half to one third Silver...so even at 15%, particles that's only 5 to 7% of that 15% as Silver and the balance Hydrogen and/or Oxygen. ode At 01:17 PM 2/20/2010 -0800, you wrote: Hello Dick, uS is micro siemens, and is a measure of the conductivity of water. Since the electrodes are spaced 1 cm apart the results come out in uS/cm. Some instruments are set up to display PPM. They do this by measuring the conductivity of a salt solution, then multiplying it by a factor number to arrive at PPM. If you are measuring the same salt concentration that the meter was set up for, you will get reasonably accurate PPM results. Unfortunately, none of the standard calibration solutions are set up for EIS. Trem (SilverGen) made several batches of EIS, tested them with a uS meter, then sent them off for laboratory analysis. He uses a Hanna PWT meter. Since EIS is mostly ionic, and since the PWT meter mostly responds to ions rather than particles, the theory is that the uS value should be close to the actual PPM of silver in the solution once correction factors are applied. The process involves measuring the water you are starting with. When your batch is finished, let it sit for a day or so, then measure it and subtract the initial reading you got for your water. This should be an indicator of the ions in the solution. When Trem got the lab sample reports, he discovered that a typical batch has about 85% ions and 15% particles. He suggests using a 1.2 correction factor for EIS made with his generators. While fine in theory, there is some controversy over this. Ode has also had lab samples done, and does not find the correction factor valid. On top of that, the lab people say that a conductivity measurement will only provide a ball park estimate of the concentration of silver in solution, and the only way to know for sure is to spend the $200/sample and have it analyzed. This is why I gave my results in uS/cm rather than PPM. The main question is to determine what ion contamination can be introduced into the solution when you heat it up. If there is no contamination being introduced, then it is reasonable to believe the concentration is being increased by removing water from it. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSweird!
Dear Dee, I got a strange email from Medwith J Robert with something about caveats, which started doing a 'loading' thingy so I deleted it. Has anyone else had this? dee As you saw looking at Robert's e-mail address, he's posting from a military/government system. The small attachment you received was an encryption key that system uses to confirm to other users of the system that he's who he says he is. Apparently your e-mail setup is configured to scarf such a signature and add it to your local keyring automatically. There ought not to be any harm in that, other than a little lost disk space. And just think! You'll be able to send Bob an encrypted e-mail any time you want to! What a neat feature, huh? In any case, with the help of another member, I am working on revisions to the list setup that will eliminate any such incidents in the future as well as improve several other things that are lacking at present. I won't predict the delivery date, however! GRIN Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.
John, David, Ken, and others... Here we go with the repetitious, inane, 3rd grade name-calling, again. It's no wonder the 'smart people' no longer have anything to say on silverlist - the wonderful we-we community. John, would you kindly stop making this all so damned personal -- and juvenile? Thank you for calling every person who posts to the list stupid! I am very sorry David is not feeling kindly toward your friend. He is reporting first-hand the difficulties this uproar is causing him in his efforts to *promote* colloidal silver use. You may NOT object to him doing so here. Understood? David and Ken, and anyone else who chooses to comment on this issue: Kindly refrain from using personally perjorative descriptors of the person of Steve Barwick, so we may all be spared John getting his knickers in a twist because you're being MEAN to him. Understood? The essential issue is this: Is CS really banned in Europe, or are vendors simply changing their labelling to comply with new regulations and continuing to sell their products? If the latter, then Dave's point is perfectly valid, even if packaged in an unkindly sentiment. So, which is true, John? As carefully explained here before, Europe is moving in an evolutionary way, like the progressives in the U.S., to ban silver water. As is the EPA, John McCain and a number of others. That is undoubtedly true, in terms of the agenda and the incremental approach that is being attempted. I don't think anyone here is blind to what the powers that be *want* to do. The dispute is over the LOUD assertion that: COLLOIDAL SILVER IS BANNED IN EUROPE! ... which some say is not actually true at the present time. Is silver still being sold in Europe, or not? That's the question you need to answer for us, John, if you want to be believed. You don't fight this battle by sticking your head in the sand... To object to exaggerations is not the same as denying there is a movement to ban silver... along with just about anything else that might be useful. You might also say that it hurts the credibility of the alternative health community to loudly proclaim things that are not true, or that sowing fear and panic in potential users is unwise. So, is it true that CS is actually BANNED, and no longer being sold in Europe, or is it only that some labelling requirements have been changed? Answer that, please? Be well, Mike D. list referee... On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Even though its untrue, I've had half a dozen people say to me that CS has been banned in Europe. Gee, it must be dangerous if its been banned and Hey, Google is full of references that say CS is banned in Europe. Steve Barwick (aka Spencer Jones) is an idiot. All he has done is get more people thinking that perhaps it SHOULD be banned. David [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS3600 volts EIS
Hello Ode you can make excellent colloidal silver with a Microwave oven I have been using one for years ..There is no danger of High voltage as the colloidal silver is made inside of the microwave and the door will not open until the timer has stopped..The colloidal silver is made with from 2400 to 3600 volts DC and is water clear up to about 20ppm..The electrodes need to be cleaned every two minutes..You can make one and one half gallons in about 12 minutes depending on PPM required..Particles are very small on a spectrometer..use 1/4 or 1/2 inch wide silver rods 6 inches long. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:39 AM Subject: CS3600 volts EIS Really high voltages gets those ions away from the electrodes really fast. That's how most of the commercially sold EIS is made as *time is money*..but that much voltage can shorten your time on Earth even faster. No generator maker in his right mind would sell one to a consumer. Ode At 07:33 PM 2/20/2010 -0800, you wrote: What do you think about the guy who says he makes 40 ppm in a minute or two using a microwave oven 3600 volts? Or something like that. If that really works, then I should be able to make pretty good EIS with the 2000v electrophoresis power supply in a very short time. Maybe I have been over-cooking the stuff trying to get higher ppm...? Dick - Original Message From: poast po...@prodigy.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:17:19 PM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Hello Dick, uS is micro siemens, and is a measure of the conductivity of water. Since the electrodes are spaced 1 cm apart the results come out in uS/cm. Some instruments are set up to display PPM. They do this by measuring the conductivity of a salt solution, then multiplying it by a factor number to arrive at PPM. If you are measuring the same salt concentration that the meter was set up for, you will get reasonably accurate PPM results. Unfortunately, none of the standard calibration solutions are set up for EIS. Trem (SilverGen) made several batches of EIS, tested them with a uS meter, then sent them off for laboratory analysis. He uses a Hanna PWT meter. Since EIS is mostly ionic, and since the PWT meter mostly responds to ions rather than particles, the theory is that the uS value should be close to the actual PPM of silver in the solution once correction factors are applied. The process involves measuring the water you are starting with. When your batch is finished, let it sit for a day or so, then measure it and subtract the initial reading you got for your water. This should be an indicator of the ions in the solution. When Trem got the lab sample reports, he discovered that a typical batch has about 85% ions and 15% particles. He suggests using a 1.2 correction factor for EIS made with his generators. While fine in theory, there is some controversy over this. Ode has also had lab samples done, and does not find the correction factor valid. On top of that, the lab people say that a conductivity measurement will only provide a ball park estimate of the concentration of silver in solution, and the only way to know for sure is to spend the $200/sample and have it analyzed. This is why I gave my results in uS/cm rather than PPM. The main question is to determine what ion contamination can be introduced into the solution when you heat it up. If there is no contamination being introduced, then it is reasonable to believe the concentration is being increased by removing water from it. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBarwick's BS about CS.
Sandee. You are probably thinking of Stephen Barrett, the Quackwatch guy. But I'm talking about Steve Barwick, who also goes by the name of Spencer Jones. David From: Sandee George oha...@juno.com Date: 23 February 2010 12:27:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS. Hi There David - in my view he is not an idiot, he is in the pay of Big Pharma consciously, physically or subconsciously and life goes on Cheers, have a great and interesting day Sandee -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSConfusion Making CS
You can roughly measure the dissolved ionic silver with a meter as long as the CS is clear. (Double it if you are using a TDS/ppm meter). The 'solid' particles that are also in the batch are not measurable with a meter but you can see them with a laser. Its all pretty rough but its the best you can do unless you want to spend hundreds on a professional lab. David From: brf brfifi...@rogers.com Date: 23 February 2010 12:31:20 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS So what is the best way of attempting to measure the silver you're producing then? Or is there? From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 3:43:32 AM Subject: CSConfusion Making CS -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Use of copper---
That's what I thought. Give it a trial. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- A short trial of a few months perhaps?
RE: CSConfusion Making CS
Excuse my butting in but the only way to *determine* anything with your EIS is laboratory analysis. If you've got a pocket full of money and are willing to get *several* samples analysed, go for it, but if not, then don't worry about it, just keep using that meter. Jeez, if I didn't know better I'd be thinking someone's trying to put the frighteners up people again, only this time it's about meters. Meters are NOT accurate, only laboratory analysis will result in any degree of accuracy, but meters are the best to be had for the home producer, regardless of their inaccuracies. uS readings are multiplied by whatever figure you find in the public domain, pick one, there's plenty to choose from out there. As with most things EIS related, there doesn't even seem to be a consensus on THAT! If it's a ppm meter, then just double that reading, how *accurate* does one want to be in the backyard? Unless of course this place is exclusive to scientific types? I used 3 meters for quite some time to compare each of em! And I did that so I know I can separate myth from fact when marketers go on about what meter to buy and what not to buy. And don't believe a *particular* marketed meter will read EIS to the 'ppm', cos from my experience...and laboratory analysis of several samples...they don't! Just keep using that meter and aim for repeatable results, and recheck your solutions each day for several days taking note of what goes on over time, and if you find mud or gravel in the bottom of those storage containers...then you're gunna have to reassess what your doing. And clean those probes on that meter after every time you use it. Jeez, I think I must've got outa the wrong side of the bed this morning! g N. Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:01:20 -0800 From: brfifi...@rogers.com Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS To: silver-list@eskimo.com So what is the best way of attempting to measure the silver you're producing then? Or is there? From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 3:43:32 AM Subject: CSConfusion Making CS From: brf brfifi...@rogers.com Date: 22 February 2010 9:44:54 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS Looks like I'm going to have to re-evaluate what I'm doing. Thanks for your thoughts link. I'll try to digest the information. By the way, the distilled water when starting measures at 000. Where are you getting the distilled water from? And note that meters only tell part of the story. They do NOT measure the presence of particles or organic impurities. So as it says below a cup of distilled water that contains a tablespoon of sugar and finely powdered glass may display a ppm reading of near zero even though its obviously not pure. David Heres some stuff about meters... Many people think that a PPM meter gives a definitive reading of the purity of water. This is not true. A ppm meter can only detect those dissolved impurities that raise the electrical conductivity of the water. So a meter can only determine the ppm of the dissolved NON-ORGANIC impurities (e.g. dissolved salts) because only these impurities raise the conductivity. It cannot detect the dissolved ORGANIC impurities* that may also be in the water (e.g. sugar or rotted leaf litter). Nor can a ppm meter detect the microscopic solid particles that may be in the water (i.e. the grit). So a cup of distilled water that contains a tablespoon of sugar and finely powdered glass may display a ppm reading of near zero even though its obviously not pure. So, when using a ppm meter to measure water purity, you have to know if the dissolved organic impurities and the fine particles have been removed along with the salts. The only way to remove all these impurities is with a high quality reverse osmosis/deionisation system or with careful steam distillation. The shortcomings of meters mentioned here should especially be considered when measuring the purity of rain water. Although the rain water may initially be pure, it can become significantly contaminated by organic impurities in the gutters and the tank. Although these impurities are not detectable by the meter they can have quite a detrimental effect on colloidal silver production. (* One qualification to the comment above about the 'non conductivity' of organic impurities concerns the presence of acid. Any acid raises the electrical conductivity of water and can induce a completely meaningless reading on a ppm meter. While organic impurities usually do not register on a ppm meter, a few drops of, say, acidic lemon juice in a glass of water will produce readings in the 100's.) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives:
RE: CSConfusion Making CS
Oops, sorry David, I believe I sent my reply a tad too soon. Praps I should go back to bed for a while g N. From: da...@alchemysa.com.au Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:05:30 +1030 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSConfusion Making CS You can roughly measure the dissolved ionic silver with a meter as long as the CS is clear. (Double it if you are using a TDS/ppm meter). The 'solid' particles that are also in the batch are not measurable with a meter but you can see them with a laser. Its all pretty rough but its the best you can do unless you want to spend hundreds on a professional lab. David From: brf brfifi...@rogers.com Date: 23 February 2010 12:31:20 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS So what is the best way of attempting to measure the silver you're producing then? Or is there? From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 3:43:32 AM Subject: CSConfusion Making CS -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com _ Find a great deal on your next car. Get straight to the Point. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157637060/direct/01/
CSBarwick's BS about CS.
Well John, as you say, Steve Barwicks little finger might know more about colloidal silver than me but his brain doesnt seem to know the difference between ions and particles. the new Micro-Particle Home Colloidal Silver Generator produces highly bio-available silver particles as low as .0008 microns so small, they are about as close to being dissolved silver particles as you can get. Creating sub-microscopic silver micro-particles with a standard low-voltage DC-current colloidal silver generator was initially thought to be impossible. but later.. You’ll always be able to produce the superior ionic form of colloidal silver, which is up to 1,000 times more potent than silver particulates being sold by commercial colloidal silver vendors! And to my knowledge, no one…and I repeat, no one…has found particulate colloidal silver to be superior to ionic silver, except for the internet promoters who constantly claim their bottled particulate colloidal silver products are superior to all others. Isn’t that interesting? So what does his 'Revolutionary micro particle generator' with a timer and bubbler make? ions or particles? It make ions of course, just like every other home made generator. But John I don't expect you to critically review any of the reams of BS spewed out by Barwick. You've already committed yourself with that glowing testimonial on his website .. I've recommended the Micro-particle Colloidal Silver Water maker for years to many friends who now have them, Bill Cooper being one of them. It's the only CSW maker I recommend - I've had one for a few years - the best I've ever owned! Thank you. -- John Stevens regards David On 23/02/2010, at 12:41 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com Date: 22 February 2010 10:22:35 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS. Here we go with the repetitious, inane, 3rd grade name-calling, again. It's no wonder the 'smart people' no longer have anything to say on silverlist - the wonderful we-we community. Steve Barwick's little finger knows about Colloidal Silver Water than you'll ever know, David. And yeah, Steve is a friend - a much wiser friend than you could ever ascend to. As carefully explained here before, Europe is moving in an evolutionary way, like the progressives in the U.S., to ban silver water. As is the EPA, John McCain and a number of others. You don't fight this battle by sticking your head in the sand... Please WAKE UP... John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConfusion Making CS
Please excuse me for appearing to be so dense David but if I'm getting a reading on the TDS meter of 15 ppm, does that mean it's actually roughly 30 ppm? I have seen some of my batches with 'sparklies' in them when using the laser and I'm assuming these are the larger 'solid' particles that you're referring to. Is that right? Thanks for all your thoughts. From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 5:35:30 PM Subject: CSConfusion Making CS You can roughly measure the dissolved ionic silver with a meter as long as the CS is clear. (Double it if you are using a TDS/ppm meter). The 'solid' particles that are also in the batch are not measurable with a meter but you can see them with a laser. Its all pretty rough but its the best you can do unless you want to spend hundreds on a professional lab. David From: brf brfifi...@rogers.com Date: 23 February 2010 12:31:20 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS So what is the best way of attempting to measure the silver you're producing then? Or is there? From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 3:43:32 AM Subject: CSConfusion Making CS -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConfusion Making CS
Hi Marshall...what does bubble trouble carbonate rubble look like? thanks Deb From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 11:09:56 AM Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS Also note that a bubbler increases the production of silver carbonate, and if you bubble furiously you can get bubble trouble carbonate rubble. Marshall sol wrote: At 01:14 PM 2/20/2010, you wrote: I should have clarified in the last message that I didn't use a bubbler with any of these experiments last night. Thanks Debbie But you ARE using distilled water? Nothing added? When I used an aquarium bubbler with my homemade set up, I found it important to have the bubbles coming out very slowly, one at a time, and also to have it set so the bubbles rose as closely as possible right between the electrodes. sol
CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED for healing. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 725 Nanometers. When tissue is damaged the cells energy slows down. The idea is that this type of light increases the vibration of the cells to 660. The tissue underneath the skin changes the light energy to electrical energy; then the nerves carry it to the brain which releases neurotransmitters and certain hormones that turn on the healing process. This is according to my book so don't blame me if its wrong. One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes when used around that area. That's what my book says and i use it all around my eyes for vision treatments and wrinkles with no problems. I bought a strand of tiny Red LED Mini Christmas lights that are battery operated with three regular C batteries. I clustered eight lights together and use it works just as good as my Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs housed in a metal flashlight device mounted behind a glass dome. The neat thing about a strand of lights is you can tape it to yourself and walk around the house doing chores LOL. I've been trying to think of ways to combine it with CS for treatments on myself and would love any ideas. Tina The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Australia's #1 job site If it exists, you'll find it on SEEK.
CSBarwick's BS about CS.
Hello Mike You asked... So, is it true that CS is actually BANNED, and no longer being sold in Europe, or is it only that some labelling requirements have been changed? Answer that, please? Barwicks own colloidalsilversecrets blog answers that question in the same article in which he claims that CS is banned. This is Barwicks interview with someone called Sultan who Barwick claims is a major Europeon CS guru/retailer (Quote.) BARWICK: So re-labeling your product as a “water disinfectant” is basically a loophole that allows you to continue selling colloidal silver legally, as long as you don’t tell people how to use it for food supplement purposes? SULTAN: Yes. That’s right. Most health food stores in Sweden already sell products used for water purification and have no problem with continuing to carry our colloidal silver product, called Ionosil, now that we’ve reclassified it as a water disinfectant. In reality, the product is identical to what we had registered as a food supplement for the past nine years. It is only the label that has changed EVER SO SLIGHTLY (my emphasis) (End quote.) So there it is straight from Barwick himself. Theres a 'loophole' (as Barwick calls it) that allows colloidal silver to be legally sold. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
Oops, Sorry --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Christina Mattson tinamatt...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Christina Mattson tinamatt...@yahoo.com Subject: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 3:27 PM Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED for healing. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 725 Nanometers. When tissue is damaged the cells energy slows down. The idea is that this type of light increases the vibration of the cells to 660. The tissue underneath the skin changes the light energy to electrical energy; then the nerves carry it to the brain which releases neurotransmitters and certain hormones that turn on the healing process. This is according to my book so don't blame me if its wrong. One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes when used around that area. That's what my book says and i use it all around my eyes for vision treatments and wrinkles with no problems. I bought a strand of tiny Red LED Mini Christmas lights that are battery operated with three regular C batteries. I clustered eight lights together and use it works just as good as my Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs housed in a metal flashlight device mounted behind a glass dome. The neat thing about a strand of lights is you can tape it to yourself and walk around the house doing chores LOL. I've been trying to think of ways to combine it with CS for treatments on myself and would love any ideas. Tina The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Australia's #1 job site If it exists, you'll find it on SEEK.
Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
So Tina. Do the strand of red lights actually work? Do they relieve pain, or smooth wrinkles? Does the Photonic Torch work? I use Spectro-Chrome color system for healing, but to get the correct color a regular household light bulb is used. LED lights don't have the correct spectrum to use to get the pure S-C colors, though of course I know that other color systems use LEDs laser, etc to good effect also. But because of having to use a light bulb it's not so portable. :-) Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- From: Christina Mattson Date: 2/22/2010 6:31:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED for healing. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 725 Nanometers. When tissue is damaged the cells energy slows down. The idea is that this type of light increases the vibration of the cells to 660. The tissue underneath the skin changes the light energy to electrical energy; then the nerves carry it to the brain which releases neurotransmitters and certain hormones that turn on the healing process. This is according to my book so don't blame me if its wrong. One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes when used around that area. That's what my book says and i use it all around my eyes for vision treatments and wrinkles with no problems. I bought a strand of tiny Red LED Mini Christmas lights that are battery operated with three regular C batteries. I clustered eight lights together and use it works just as good as my Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs housed in a metal flashlight device mounted behind a glass dome. The neat thing about a strand of lights is you can tape it to yourself and walk around the house doing chores LOL. I've been trying to think of ways to combine it with CS for treatments on myself and would love any ideas. Tina The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Australia's #1 job site If it exists, you'll find it on SEEK.
Re: CSweird!
Howdy, I also received his email. When I opened it my computer froze and a window came up stating it stopped because of a script error. I deleted it and am running a virus scan. When I googled the name nothing came up. Not exactly surprising. When I googled an exwife because of some stuff she pulled in my name I couldnot find her either. Have you ever googled your own name? I have, no I am not Richard Hanthorn farm trust but you can see all the organizations that I HAVE WEBSITES TO. DAve -- Original Message -- From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSweird! Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:50:17 -5 Dear Dee, I got a strange email from Medwith J Robert with something about caveats, which started doing a 'loading' thingy so I deleted it. Has anyone else had this? dee As you saw looking at Robert's e-mail address, he's posting from a military/government system. The small attachment you received was an encryption key that system uses to confirm to other users of the system that he's who he says he is. Apparently your e-mail setup is configured to scarf such a signature and add it to your local keyring automatically. There ought not to be any harm in that, other than a little lost disk space. And just think! You'll be able to send Bob an encrypted e-mail any time you want to! What a neat feature, huh? In any case, with the help of another member, I am working on revisions to the list setup that will eliminate any such incidents in the future as well as improve several other things that are lacking at present. I won't predict the delivery date, however! GRIN Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=9at2H7aZQBmVhF4g4pcSPgAAJ1E-d3oigFK6PWJ8uckOMuPQAAYAAADNAAAEUgA=
Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
Hi Tina, Now *that* is *very* cool. Of course it would work- Why not? Thanks for posting it :-). Stay well, Linda :-) ---Original Message--- From: Christina Mattson Date: 2/22/2010 6:31:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED for healing. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 725 Nanometers. When tissue is damagedthe cells energy slows down. The idea is that this type of light increases the vibration of the cells to 660. The tissue underneath the skin changes the light energy to electrical energy; then the nerves carry it to the brain which releases neurotransmitters and certain hormones that turn on the healing process.This is according to my book so don't blame me if its wrong. One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes when used around that area. That's what my book says and i use it all around my eyes for vision treatments and wrinkles with no problems. Ibought a strand of tiny Red LED Mini Christmas lights that are battery operated with three regular C batteries. I clustered eight lights together and use it worksjust as good as my Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs housed in a metal flashlight device mounted behind a glass dome. The neat thing about a strand of lights is you can tape it to yourself and walk around the house doing chores LOL. I've been trying to think of ways to combine it with CS for treatments on myself and would love any ideas. Tina The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Australia's #1 job site If it exists, you'll find it on SEEK.
Ole Bob and HVAC, was Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
At 06:05 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: Hello Dick, It seems that this is an area that has been looked at before and there are some theories on the quality of EIS produced at high voltages. Unfortunately, extensive testing is cost prohibitive, so you will just have to go with the theory. I think I recall that ole Bob spent quite a bit of time experimenting with HVAC, and eventually stopped. Now that there are archives again, there may be some info there. Anybody else remember this, or am I confused again? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
Oops, Sorry Oops, what? Hi Christina, You write: Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED for healing. The LED topic has been bouncing around here a little lately, so it's not out of order to add a bit more to it. If things get to be roaring along so badly that people inundate me with comlaints, I'll ask for a few OT threads to be ended or migrated to our Off Topic List. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 725 Nanometers. When tissue is damaged the cells energy slows down. The idea is that this type of light increases the vibration of the cells to 660. The tissue underneath the skin changes the light energy to electrical energy; then the nerves carry it to the brain which releases neurotransmitters and certain hormones that turn on the healing process. This is according to my book so don't blame me if its wrong. No doubt it is wrong but unless one's knowledge is perfect, complete, and perfectly expressed, when isn't anything written by one of us? grin If this was strictly true, we'd all be glowing visibly in a dark room... The visible red spectrum is somewhere around 740 to 630 nanometers. A 660 nm red LED is brightly visible to us. Of course our skin is cooler than our core and would radiate at infrared and far infrared wavelengths, perhaps around 1200 nm. What I think I'm saying is that the higher energy light from visible LED's would perhaps be increasing the vibration of the cells just as they say, but from a bit farther away in frequency terms than they're suggesting. The rest of the mechanism might be as they describe, at least as a simple overview of the complex real processes of our bodies. One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes when used around that area. That's what my book says and i use it all around my eyes for vision treatments and wrinkles with no problems. Does it seem to be working? Are you seeing objective improvement in smoothness and skin tone? How about accupressure points and other health issues? Any strong results? I bought a strand of tiny Red LED Mini Christmas lights that are battery operated with three regular C batteries. I clustered eight lights together and use it works just as good as my Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs housed in a metal flashlight device mounted behind a glass dome. I built one of those into a plastic flashlight case. I'm still working off the first set of D batteries. I'm glad to hear that the results seem to be similar. The neat thing about a strand of lights is you can tape it to yourself and walk around the house doing chores LOL. That and see into closets and under furniture! grin I've been trying to think of ways to combine it with CS for treatments on myself and would love any ideas. Tina Any modality that supports your health is going to be synergistic. I know of nothing objective that would indicate against using silver and photonic treatments at the same time, so long as you're not swamping your body with so much silver that it cannot excrete it fast enough to avoid long term retention of the metal. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.
David quotes John: I've recommended the Micro-particle Colloidal Silver Water maker for years to many friends who now have them, Bill Cooper being one of them. It's the only CSW maker I recommend - I've had one for a few years - the best I've ever owned! Thank you. -- John Stevens Holy schmoly, I listened to Cooper's SW broadcasts quite a bit back in the '90's... One amazing sonofagun. A lunatic from the fringe, or a voice crying in the wilderness? I'd bet you guys got along well, and that you miss him. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhich layer of skin? Iron injection stains
Rowena, Thank you i appreciate it. Gives me some hope, not that I'm vein or anything. Te He. --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Rowena new...@internode.on.net wrote: From: Rowena new...@internode.on.net Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin? Iron injection stains To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 1:36 AM Reposted in plain text: Forty years ago with my first pregnancy I was also given iron injections in the buttocks. I don't remember how often they were given, but they left me with great iron stains that took years to disappear - but they did, eventually. I also got great brown marks in my (blue) irises, so that I thought my eyes were changing colour. (At an iridology class one time some ten years later a fellow student who must have had some experience examined at my irises and asked if I'd been given iron injections (she called it another name that I don't recall.) I think those brown spots are still there.) This was in the UK, and the nurse used to come to the house to give me the shots. One time the Doctor came, and seemed to be preparing to give me the shot in the arm. I waited to make sure that was his intention while trying to work out a tactful way to bring his mind back on track. Aren't you going to give it to me in the behind this time? I asked. He seemed to have quite a shock, as well he might, and quickly undid the strap around my arm. He probably thought he'd narrowly missed making a big mistake, and I could have narrowly missed being on the receiving end of one, as my brain was so slow formulating my question. But luckily I did know that this kind of jab was dangerous in the vein and had to go in the buttocks. Rowena On 20/02/2010 3:22 AM, Christina Mattson wrote: Anyone?, Sorry to go OT but this reminds me of some large sort of bruises i have had on my hips for 4 years now. When i was pregnant with my son i was given iron injections three times a week for a few months and then once a week for another month until my OB Dr. told me not to let The MD give me anymore (she didn't say why). Since then none of the Doctor's can tell me specifically what it is and how to fix it. I'm trying to figure out if it is iron deposited under the skin or damaged capilaries that keep leaching blood. The areas are slightly tender and have faided considerbly but not in the last year. The subject of these posts has been helping me in my quest to figure out what is going on. LOVE ALL THESE BRILLIANT MINDS! Tina -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Ole Bob and HVAC, was Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
Oh, that was FUN! Check the archives searching on HVAC, Bob Now those were the days... Chuck ** At a Towing company: We don't charge an arm and a leg. We want tows. ** On 2/22/2010 8:49:31 PM, sol (sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com) wrote: I think I recall that ole Bob spent quite a bit of time experimenting with HVAC, and eventually stopped. Now that there are archives again, there may be some info there. Anybody else remember this, or am I confused again? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Use of copper---
At 08:12 AM 2/22/2010, you wrote: how does a person tell if they are at a too high dose? I personally just figured it out as a supposition worth trying a remedy for after repeatedly running across mention of symptoms of excess copper that I have had for years. From my notes: excessive intake of copper can cause abdominal pain and cramps, nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, and liver damage. Still for chronic excess copper and copper deficiency, there is some symptom overlap, and you can find lists of those symptoms via online searches. I did read elsewhere an email claiming that liver spots (those dark age spots on hands, etc) can indicate excess copper. And I have to say mine have faded a rather tremendous amount since I began a program of supplements to reduce copper. (I had taken copper for years without taking any zinc). Given what Ode wrote about high levels of copper interfering with silver excretion that could be another reason I have blue moons, along with my then extremely high intake of caffeine. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
Hi Renee, The book says... it helps rebuild collagen and yes they definitely
work on pain. NASA astronauts use this technology in space to keep their cells
from stagnating in zero gravity. I had some squint lines between my eyes and my
torch got rid of those but after i stopped using it there they came back
because i kept on squinting then i tried the Christmas lights and they also
worked just as quickly.
Tina
--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Renee gaiac...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:16 PM
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So Tina. Do the strand of red lights actually work? Do they relieve pain, or
smooth wrinkles? Does the Photonic Torch work?
I use Spectro-Chrome color system for healing, but to get the correct color a
regular household light bulb is used. LED lights don't have the correct
spectrum to use to get the pure S-C colors, though of course I know that other
color systems use LEDs laser, etc to good effect also. But because of having
to use a light bulb it's not so portable. :-)
Samala,
Renee
---Original Message---
From: Christina Mattson
Date: 2/22/2010 6:31:40 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy
Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED for
healing. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 725 Nanometers.
When tissue is damaged the cells energy slows down. The idea is that this type
of light increases the vibration of the cells to 660. The tissue underneath the
skin changes the light energy to electrical energy; then the nerves carry it to
the brain which releases neurotransmitters and certain hormones that turn on
the healing process. This is according to my book so don't blame me if its
wrong.
One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes when used
around that area. That's what my book says and i use it all around my eyes for
vision treatments and wrinkles with no problems. I bought a strand of tiny Red
LED Mini Christmas lights that are battery operated with three regular C
batteries. I clustered eight lights together and use it works just as good as
my Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs housed in a metal flashlight device
mounted behind a glass dome. The neat thing about a strand of lights is you can
tape it to yourself and walk around the house doing chores LOL. I've been
trying to think of ways to combine it with CS for treatments on myself and
would love any ideas.
Tina
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Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
Just assumed i did something wrong. lol How do you appear in so many places at the same time? Tina --- On Mon, 2/22/10, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 12:01 PM Oops, Sorry Oops, what? Hi Christina, You write: Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED for healing. The LED topic has been bouncing around here a little lately, so it's not out of order to add a bit more to it. If things get to be roaring along so badly that people inundate me with comlaints, I'll ask for a few OT threads to be ended or migrated to our Off Topic List. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 725 Nanometers. When tissue is damaged the cells energy slows down. The idea is that this type of light increases the vibration of the cells to 660. The tissue underneath the skin changes the light energy to electrical energy; then the nerves carry it to the brain which releases neurotransmitters and certain hormones that turn on the healing process. This is according to my book so don't blame me if its wrong. No doubt it is wrong but unless one's knowledge is perfect, complete, and perfectly expressed, when isn't anything written by one of us? grin If this was strictly true, we'd all be glowing visibly in a dark room... The visible red spectrum is somewhere around 740 to 630 nanometers. A 660 nm red LED is brightly visible to us. Of course our skin is cooler than our core and would radiate at infrared and far infrared wavelengths, perhaps around 1200 nm. What I think I'm saying is that the higher energy light from visible LED's would perhaps be increasing the vibration of the cells just as they say, but from a bit farther away in frequency terms than they're suggesting. The rest of the mechanism might be as they describe, at least as a simple overview of the complex real processes of our bodies. One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes when used around that area. That's what my book says and i use it all around my eyes for vision treatments and wrinkles with no problems. Does it seem to be working? Are you seeing objective improvement in smoothness and skin tone? How about accupressure points and other health issues? Any strong results? I bought a strand of tiny Red LED Mini Christmas lights that are battery operated with three regular C batteries. I clustered eight lights together and use it works just as good as my Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs housed in a metal flashlight device mounted behind a glass dome. I built one of those into a plastic flashlight case. I'm still working off the first set of D batteries. I'm glad to hear that the results seem to be similar. The neat thing about a strand of lights is you can tape it to yourself and walk around the house doing chores LOL. That and see into closets and under furniture! grin I've been trying to think of ways to combine it with CS for treatments on myself and would love any ideas. Tina Any modality that supports your health is going to be synergistic. I know of nothing objective that would indicate against using silver and photonic treatments at the same time, so long as you're not swamping your body with so much silver that it cannot excrete it fast enough to avoid long term retention of the metal. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSConfusion Making CS
From: brf brfifi...@rogers.com Date: 23 February 2010 9:56:39 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS Please excuse me for appearing to be so dense David but if I'm getting a reading on the TDS meter of 15 ppm, does that mean it's actually roughly 30 ppm? I have seen some of my batches with 'sparklies' in them when using the laser and I'm assuming these are the larger 'solid' particles that you're referring to. Is that right? Yes thats very roughly correct if you are using a TDS meter. You have very roughly 30ppm of ionic silver, plus a bunch of 'particulate' silver ( thats the sparklies and other stuff you can see in the laser.). If the water is clear then its very roughly a ratio of around 80% ionic to 20% particles, suggesting your particulate ppm is very roughly 6ppm, meaning you have a TOTAL ppm of very roughly 36ppm. Notice how many times I said 'very roughly'!!! By the time you compound all those 'very roughlies' you can be off the mark by a pretty massive amount so don't take meter readings to seriously. They just provide a handy guide to help you get some repeatabiliy. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Loss - link here
Here are a few more stories on hair growth with bentonite http://www.aboutclay.com/testimonials.htm#Hair%20Care Steve Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: = It doesn't say what sort of clay and *how* you wash your hair with it! Is it bentonite, do you think? dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 20:56, scl...@cox.net wrote: I'm posting a link to curezone for a hair growth recipe that seemed to work for my wife. http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1573169#i Steve carolG cgiam...@yahoo.com wrote: = http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/ See below. carol From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com To: CS List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 10:04:09 AM Subject: CSHair Loss Okay, so I found this website while researching DHT and what causes elevated levels and the connection with Iodine and the thyroid. The second page talks about the thyroid hormones and Insulin resistance and T4 and how it's all related. :) Very interesting and informative read with research and reference links. And although it talk about men mostly, I'm sure that elevated levels of DHT in women can cause hair loss as well, especially as those who have thyroid problems usually have an upset in the hormone balances in the HPA axis. http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/ Annie -- Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
Just assumed i did something wrong. lol LOL! How do you appear in so many places at the same time? Tina Tonight I'm right by the computer, tinkering with the config files for our off topic list. So, I'm kinda watching the list in realtime! grin Mike D. Oops, Sorry Oops, what? [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS Use of copper---
[...could be another reason I have blue moons,...]
-They're slowly being eliminated one by one by the looks of it, that's two down
in as many weeks, if I stick around long enough I believe I'll get a 'hat
trick' g.
This appears to throw some *doubt?* on yet another suggestion that EIS alone
caused an issue {innocent until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt,
isn't that how it goes?}. Not saying it didn't mind...but I'm striking *you*
off my list as well Sol, sorry about that.
This is what I meant a while ago about a person being flooded with a million
questions in response to a 'blanket statement', nobody *really* knows what
someone else is doing...and possibly in conjunction with EIS? The only way of
REALLY finding out is to...'get up close and personal', which I consider a
tad...shall we say...invasive? Hence I won't do it, I'd rather quietly draw my
own conclusions and just settle for reading between the lines.
N.
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:36:47 -0700
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
From: sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
Subject: Re: CS Use of copper---
At 08:12 AM 2/22/2010, you wrote:
how does a person tell if they are at a too high dose?
I personally just figured it out as a supposition worth trying a
remedy for after repeatedly running across mention of symptoms of
excess copper that I have had for years.
From my notes: excessive intake of copper can cause abdominal pain
and cramps, nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, and liver damage. Still for
chronic excess copper and copper deficiency, there is some symptom
overlap, and you can find lists of those symptoms via online searches.
I did read elsewhere an email claiming that liver spots (those dark
age spots on hands, etc) can indicate excess copper. And I have to
say mine have faded a rather tremendous amount since I began a
program of supplements to reduce copper. (I had taken copper for
years without taking any zinc).
Given what Ode wrote about high levels of copper interfering with
silver excretion that could be another reason I have blue moons,
along with my then extremely high intake of caffeine.
sol
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Re: CSBuffered MMS question for Tom
Hello Renee, Feel free to use anything I post. Yogurt manufacturers took a look at using acidified sodium chlorite to control mold growth in their packages. The quickly abandoned the idea when they found that it was destroying their yogurt by killing all of the bacteria. I generally view the bacterial in yogurt as being friendly, so it would appear that chlorine dioxide is capable of killing good bacteria too. Activation of sodium chlorite is very critical. There has been a lot of research into the most effective way to activate sodium chlorite, and there are millions of dollars of food products that depend on proper activation to keep pathogens from spoiling the food. I am not sure where Jim Humble came up with his method of activation, but he didn't do any testing on it. If you follow the MMS protocol, you end up with excess citric acid in the dose. While this may to be totally terrible, it is not totally effective either. I have found that if you use the same activation that is used in industry, your solution is about 30% more effective as far as oxidation goes. The most efficient way to activate sodium chlorite with citric acid and form a pure chlorous acid solution, is to use a 1:1 ratio of sodium chlorite and 10% citric acid, and let the activation continue for 10 minutes. If you really feel you need some extra citric acid in your diet, take it separately and don't pollute your sodium chlorite solution. Did you know that you can activate sodium chlorite with vitamin C? We actually used vitamin C as an activator when working with some people with MS. The concern was with the by products from citric acid activation. The medical professional I was working with felt better with the by products of vitamin C. I am not familiar with the Cell Food product. I have had several people ask me about jotting all of this information down, but it is actually quite involved. I am now to the point that if you don't have a background in handling and mixing chemicals, and understand the math of PPM and dilution rates, playing with sodium chlorite may not be the best thing to do. It is reasonably safe, for the most part, with bleaching being one of the most frequent consequences. However, there is a real possibility of respiratory damage, eye damage, and if you aren't tidy you can start a fire in your garbage can and possibly in your house. Tom - Original Message - From: Renee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:59 PM Subject: Re: CSBuffered MMS question for Tom Hi Tom. Would you mind if I pass this wonderful information on to the MMS list? sniped Thanks again for patiently explaining all this to me. I appreciate it. Samala, Renee
Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
Hello Marshall, I only did the reduction to 60 uS once just to see what happened. While the solution was basically clear, you didn't need a laser to observe the Tyndall effect. A pen light worked fine. As I recall, I had a few larger sparkle particles in the solution. I didn't keep it very long because I was using it in some soap. Overnight, there was no residue settling on the bottom of the jar, but that was as long as it sat. I regularly reduce a 10 uS solution to a 20 uS solution. This also shows a strong Tyndall effect, is clear, and everything remains in suspension. The main problem I have is not having the equipment to translate uS to PPM. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:01 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Thus part I don't understand. The ionic portion of EIS is silver oxide and silver hydroxide, each with a solubility of only 13 ppm, so combined they have a solubility of 26 ppm. (Actually since they continually convert from one to the other, and theoretically the hydroxide should be much more soluble than the oxide, I believer that what really happens is that with it continually converting from one to the other and back again when dissolved, the the less soluble one really sets the limit for both). So just what IS the compound that is forming the 60 uS part. Is it from carbon dioxide that is absorbed into the air forming silver chloride? Or if an analysis I made earlier where the silver particles get cemented together by silver oxide particles produces an ionic form which increases conduction? I find it curious that the conductivity increases. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
Well, that's good to know. I've read where led has helped pain, and some people on other lists have posted that--but I haven't read any personal experiences with wrinkles. Testimonials on sites that sell the lights, but that's not the same, to me, of hearing someone on a list like this saying it worked for them. Thanks, Renee ---Original Message--- I had some squint lines between my eyes and my torch got rid of those but after i stopped using it there they came back because i kept on squinting then i tried the Christmas lights and they also worked just as quickly. Tina --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: From: Renee gaiac...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:16 PM So Tina. Do the strand of red lights actually work? Do they relieve pain, or smooth wrinkles? Does the Photonic Torch work? I use Spectro-Chrome color system for healing, but to get the correct color a regular household light bulb is used. LED lights don't have the correct spectrum to use to get the pure S-C colors, though of course I know that other color systems use LEDs laser, etc to good effect also. But because of having to use a light bulb it's not so portable. :-) Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- From: Christina Mattson Date: 2/22/2010 6:31:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED for healing. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 725 Nanometers. When tissue is damaged the cells energy slows down. The idea is that this type of light increases the vibration of the cells to 660. The tissue underneath the skin changes the light energy to electrical energy; then the nerves carry it to the brain which releases neurotransmitters and certain hormones that turn on the healing process. This is according to my book so don't blame me if its wrong. One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes when used around that area. That's what my book says and i use it all around my eyes for vision treatments and wrinkles with no problems. I bought a strand of tiny Red LED Mini Christmas lights that are battery operated with three regular C batteries. I clustered eight lights together and use it works just as good as my Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs housed in a metal flashlight device mounted behind a glass dome. The neat thing about a strand of lights is you can tape it to yourself and walk around the house doing chores LOL. I've been trying to think of ways to combine it with CS for treatments on myself and would love any ideas. Tina The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Australia's #1 job site If it exists, you'll find it on SEEK.
Re: CS Use of copper---
Well dang--I've got grey hair--symptom of not enough copper, and a couple liver spots on my right hand, a symptom of too much copper. What's a lady to do?? ;-) Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- I did read elsewhere an email claiming that liver spots (those dark age spots on hands, etc) can indicate excess copper. And I have to say mine have faded a rather tremendous amount since I began a program of supplements to reduce copper. (I had taken copper for years without taking any zinc).
CSApparent Fuel Cell Breakthrough...
Has anyone seen this yet? Featured on 60 Minutes. Looks promising. Dan http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/18/60minutes/main6221135.shtml?tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel The Bloom Box: An Energy Breakthrough? (CBS) In the world of energy, the Holy Grail is a power source that's inexpensive and clean, with no emissions. Well over 100 start-ups in Silicon Valley are working on it, and one of them, Bloom Energy, is about to make public its invention: a little power plant-in-a-box they want to put literally in your backyard. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDiabetes Question
I once read that MDs using adult stem cell therapy have cured diabetes, restoring the pancreas to normal condition. The cells came from the patient's nostrils.I have not read follow-up on this report and can't vouch for its accuracy. On Sunday, Feb 21, 2010, at 04:22 Asia/Tokyo, Karen and Jerry Conrad wrote: unfortunately my son has had type I diabetes for 15 years, hopefully this info can and will help someone else, Blessings Karen Conrad -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Footer problems...
Yes, the archives are up. Thanks for that, Mike! And for everything else you've done to make this list one of the best on the net. On Sunday, Feb 21, 2010, at 05:32 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: Why, THANK YOU, Chuck! Now... Do you NOTICE anything SPECIAL about that FOOTER ANYBODY? evil grin Mike D. Here Ya go, Mike : The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com And BTW, TEST!!! Chuck Modemus Operandi,torture the data till it confesses
Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
Hi Tom, It would be a real boon to have some sort of standard quantitative analysis of silver content which could be done in a home lab/kitchen. a titration method maybe? which would involve simple reagents and glassware. I think another way would be a colorimetric method or turbidity meter kind of thing which would involve test slides or a photometer of some sort. Do you , or anyone have any thoughts on this? In the sticks, Tony On 22 Feb 2010 at 20:11, poast wrote about : Subject : Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silv Hello Marshall, I only did the reduction to 60 uS once just to see what happened. While the solution was basically clear, you didn't need a laser to observe the Tyndall effect. A pen light worked fine. As I recall, I had a few larger sparkle particles in the solution. I didn't keep it very long because I was using it in some soap. Overnight, there was no residue settling on the bottom of the jar, but that was as long as it sat. I regularly reduce a 10 uS solution to a 20 uS solution. This also shows a strong Tyndall effect, is clear, and everything remains in suspension. The main problem I have is not having the equipment to translate uS to PPM. Tom - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:01 AM Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit? Thus part I don't understand. The ionic portion of EIS is silver oxide and silver hydroxide, each with a solubility of only 13 ppm, so combined they have a solubility of 26 ppm. (Actually since they continually convert from one to the other, and theoretically the hydroxide should be much more soluble than the oxide, I believer that what really happens is that with it continually converting from one to the other and back again when dissolved, the the less soluble one really sets the limit for both). So just what IS the compound that is forming the 60 uS part. Is it from carbon dioxide that is absorbed into the air forming silver chloride? Or if an analysis I made earlier where the silver particles get cemented together by silver oxide particles produces an ionic form which increases conduction? I find it curious that the conductivity increases. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
