CSMaking a Current Controlled CS Generator (UNCLASSIFIED)
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE To: cs Subject: Making a CS generator Subject: CSBrewing CS To all (especially new members) You can make a Controlled Current Generator with and Wall DC power supply using a Current Regulating Central Diode they come in various currents 610-1N5297 from Mouser Electronics is for 1 Mill amp You put this in line with power supply with a volt meter you can measure voltage (higher as Silver is further apart and lower as you move silver closer together). It adjust voltage to maintain mill amp rating. You can use even a low voltage power supply, it will just take longer. I have a 9 volt power supply that puts out 9 volts at 800 mill amps, at 1 mill amp it puts out close to 23 volts. So if you read the voltage at no load with a multi meter (I mill amp is close to no load). Once you have a batch you can seed the next batch to save time. Note you can stir batch with a 4 to 7 watt night light, Plug in night light (turn on) in an extension cord and put light against side near bottom of Container (1 QT to 1 Gallon). I have a rotating magnetic stirrer, jar sits on stirrer and but a roller bearing in A piece of plastic tubing. Base has a gear motor with a magnet which turns the bearing in the jar. I make a gallon at a time. Bob Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: CS MaryAnn
Attagirl!! So that tells us that your water is fine, and your generator is fine -- you just shouldn't use that *fast* mode. I don't even know why that have that on there -- making quality CS is a slow process. Now you might move your dial up a bit -- perhaps between 3 and 4, and see what ppm-level you get there. MA From: Costumes costu...@dnet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 10:43:14 PM Subject: CS MaryAnn MA, I tested my Walmart DW, and it was Zero. Tested the first 3 quarts that I brewed on fast at a setting of 4, with the silver particles, and they were all around 11. Tested the fourth quart that I brewed on standard at a setting of 3, without the silver particles, and it was 5. So ... I guess Im moving right along ; jan
Re: CS MaryAnn
I don't even know why they have that on there -- sorry. MA From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 7:30:13 AM Subject: Re: CS MaryAnn Attagirl!! So that tells us that your water is fine, and your generator is fine -- you just shouldn't use that *fast* mode. I don't even know why that have that on there -- making quality CS is a slow process. Now you might move your dial up a bit -- perhaps between 3 and 4, and see what ppm-level you get there. MA From: Costumes costu...@dnet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 10:43:14 PM Subject: CS MaryAnn MA, I tested my Walmart DW, and it was Zero. Tested the first 3 quarts that I brewed on fast at a setting of 4, with the silver particles, and they were all around 11. Tested the fourth quart that I brewed on standard at a setting of 3, without the silver particles, and it was 5. So ... I guess Im moving right along ; jan
CSOn a personal note............
My husband is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio right now. He will have open-heart surgery on Tuesday (aortic valve replacement and cardiac myeomectomy). I'll be driving there on Monday to be there for the surgery, and will remain in Cleveland while he's in the hospital. Of course, I'm worried about the surgery itself, but I'm more worried about the opportunities for infections while he's there. So I'm taking a gallon of CS -- is that enough? I'd also like to take some CS gel (courtesy of Ode's kit). I don't know how the hospital staff would feel about an unknown gel product on the incision itself, so I may not get that done until we're out of there. Any advice from anyone will be greatly appreciated. MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRebuttal from ABC
Anyone who states that obviously knows nothing about chemistry at all. Ionic is compounds, an particles are colloid. The first is in solution and the second makes up the colloid. That ionic adds nothing to the healing process is nonsense, silver sulfathiazole and sivler nitrate have been mainstays for the medical profession for a century and they are of course both ionic forms of silver. Also Robert Becker showed quite conclusively in his book The Body Electric that ionic silver aids tremendously in healing, and of course the silver bandages and other forms of healing that the medical community now use for things like burns would not work either if ionic silver were useless. Marshall On 9/30/2010 11:24 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Yes -- but Marshall -- what about his assertion that large particle and ionic silver are the same thing? And that ionic silver adds nothing to the healing process? MA - Original Message From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com I don't know where he is getting these ideas. That there is a fundamental difference between metallic and ionic silver is a mainstay of this group, and to say that no one here is willing to accept that fact is laughable. He is ranting a lot, but not providing any information that I can see, more like shoot the messenger. Marshall On 9/30/2010 12:07 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: The following is a request for information from the person questioning me on the use of our home-made CS, and the response from the guy at ABC. Who is Don, anyway -- anyone know? I would appreciate responses from our CS-experts here, so that I can respond back. Thanks. MA This is what I received on CS from the ABL contactand it is not kindso I am not posting it to the list. I prefer to not incite people which only drives them deeper into denial and cancels the opportunity for me to teach and them to learn. But you can see that there is difficulty in understanding the science with the general public. Begin forwarded message: From: infoi...@lifesilver.com Date: September 28, 2010 10:29:47 AM MDT Subject: Re: need some clarification here...for my clients Whew, that is a long thread. Right up front I see the common problem, though. I was once a member of a yahoo list called silver pets. They were, just as this one is, unable to grasp the difference between ionic home made silver, and pure elemental silver solutions. To attempt to explain, to people like this, the very fundamental differences in the two types of silver preparations is greeted as heresy. They are so locked into their erroneous beliefs that nothing could convince them differently. I finally wrote them off as Luddites, and moved on. Your group seems of much the same mindset. The fact that large amounts of silver are being retained in their horses indicates large particle, ionic silver ingestion. Ionic particles, because of their positive particle electron charge, readily begin bonding with other organic substances, as soon as they enter the organism. This creates salts and compounds which are hard to excrete and add nothing to the healing process, because they are no longer silver, but something else. This is why they are The ABL products pass through the body unchanged, due to their negative electron charge. They are excreted quickly. They do not get bound up in other chemical relationships. They have absolutely no effect on the mineral balance of the organism, as they do not form compounds. Fat chance that you will convince your colleagues of this. They are locked into the theory that; Why should I pay for something that I can make for pennies? It all the same stuff. I could go through this thread, point by point, and present credible, independent, peer reviewed science to support these facts, but why bother? They either will not, or cannot grasp the scientific principle involved. You can always cut/paste excerpts from the studies listed on my Clinical Studies page. I will be putting up several more studies this week, since ABL has taken down their research page. I am glad I save some of those. I attached the Penn State. peer reviewed and journal published study. It was the basis for the 3rd US Patent. This patent actually protects the elemental silver particle. Good luck with this gang. I fear that you are tilting at windmills. Some people will defend their ignorance to their graves. I lost three friends over the past 18 months. They all went into the hospital for serious conditions (cancer, MS), but they all died within days from sepsis of resistant infections that they contracted after entering the hospital, not their original complaint. Two, that I found out about early, were offered free silver. It was declined. They were both in Tulsa and Lori could have had it in their hands within an hour. Sigh... I attached a couple of documents that you might find helpful. Don On 9/28/2010 4:59 PM,
Re: CS MaryAnn
I have neve seen distilled water come in at 0. What are you testing with and what is it's resolution? Marshall On 9/30/2010 11:43 PM, Costumes wrote: MA, I tested my Walmart DW, and it was Zero. Tested the first 3 quarts that I brewed on fast at a setting of 4, with the silver particles, and they were all around 11. Tested the fourth quart that I brewed on standard at a setting of 3, without the silver particles, and it was 5. So ... I guess Im moving right along ; jan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: EXTERNAL:Re: :RE: CSRebuttal from ABC
MA If you want I can tone down my response. I didn't like the attitude of the writer. But he is not the audience you want to reach. The moderator and readers of the other list are and perhaps a lower toned response would be better. You will probably never convince the writer. - Steve N - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 09:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: :RE: CSRebuttal from ABC Hi Steve. LOL -- you got it! Thanks for your reply -- it was a beaut! MA - Original Message From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 2:55:22 PM Subject: :RE: CSRebuttal from ABC MaryAnn, If you forward my response, please delete my email address. I don't need hate mail from a stranger. I get enough from friends. g - Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic c discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSVORTEX BLENDER EXPERIMENT TO STRUCTURE WATER
Dear Brooks and group, For all those who were interested in my vortex blender experiment to structure water, I want to tell you about a few changes I've made. I thought a lot about how to mimic nature with all of her streams and creeks, in a blender, and this is the only solution I've been able to come up with so far. I wanted an inexpensive way to suspend some rocks in the blender so that they would take part in vortex that is created, so I took a trip to the 99cent store, and wound purchasing a 100 percent cotton doily, about 10 inches in diameter. I bought an off white one so as to minimize the chances of there being any dye in it. It has a somewhat large enough fishnet-like weave, to allow the water to freely flow through it, and yet is small enough to contain a few of the rocks I also purchased in the store. After thoroughly washing everything, I placed about 5 or 6 of the larger rocks in the center of the doily, and then connected all the outer points together with one of those little plastic straps that are used to hold things in place. I then filled the receptacle with water, about 3/4 of the way to the top. Most blenders, and mine, have a plastic insert on top, to allow for the adding of ingredients during the blending. I inserted the top of the doily bag through this insert, and secured it with a wooden dowel or wooden spoon. Then I just turned it on (at first, I SLOWLY PULSED, to make sure nothing was going to hit). That's it. Notes: 1) Any heavy cotton, fishnet-like fabric will do, but make sure that it will contain all of the rocks, and not let one slip out when it gets wet and stretches a little (as it will). 2) Wash and rinse your fabric thoroughly to make sure there are no chemicals or dyes in it. I used soap and water, rinsed a few times, and then let it soak in an MMS solution. 3) Suspend the rocks in the fabric above the halfway point in the receptacle, because the bag will come down a bit when it gets wet, due to the heavy weight of the rocks. 4) I bought a bag rocks in the 99cent store, just to speed up things, but I think that a few rocks that are personally collected by you, from around your neighborhood, would be best. Naturally, I would also wash the rocks to clean off any chemicals, debris, dirt, moss etc. If anyone is interested, I will TRY and take some pictures tomorrow and post them. Paul Catania
Re: CSRebuttal from ABC
Ah-HAH!! That's what I was looking for! Thank you very, very much. MA - Original Message From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com Anyone who states that obviously knows nothing about chemistry at all. Ionic is compounds, an particles are colloid. The first is in solution and the second makes up the colloid. That ionic adds nothing to the healing process is nonsense, silver sulfathiazole and sivler nitrate have been mainstays for the medical profession for a century and they are of course both ionic forms of silver. Also Robert Becker showed quite conclusively in his book The Body Electric that ionic silver aids tremendously in healing, and of course the silver bandages and other forms of healing that the medical community now use for things like burns would not work either if ionic silver were useless. Marshall On 9/30/2010 11:24 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Yes -- but Marshall -- what about his assertion that large particle and ionic silver are the same thing? And that ionic silver adds nothing to the healing process? MA - Original Message From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com I don't know where he is getting these ideas. That there is a fundamental difference between metallic and ionic silver is a mainstay of this group, and to say that no one here is willing to accept that fact is laughable. He is ranting a lot, but not providing any information that I can see, more like shoot the messenger. Marshall On 9/30/2010 12:07 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: The following is a request for information from the person questioning me on the use of our home-made CS, and the response from the guy at ABC. Who is Don, anyway -- anyone know? I would appreciate responses from our CS-experts here, so that I can respond back. Thanks. MA This is what I received on CS from the ABL contactand it is not kindso I am not posting it to the list. I prefer to not incite people which only drives them deeper into denial and cancels the opportunity for me to teach and them to learn. But you can see that there is difficulty in understanding the science with the general public. Begin forwarded message: From: infoi...@lifesilver.com Date: September 28, 2010 10:29:47 AM MDT Subject: Re: need some clarification here...for my clients Whew, that is a long thread. Right up front I see the common problem, though. I was once a member of a yahoo list called silver pets. They were, just as this one is, unable to grasp the difference between ionic home made silver, and pure elemental silver solutions. To attempt to explain, to people like this, the very fundamental differences in the two types of silver preparations is greeted as heresy. They are so locked into their erroneous beliefs that nothing could convince them differently. I finally wrote them off as Luddites, and moved on. Your group seems of much the same mindset. The fact that large amounts of silver are being retained in their horses indicates large particle, ionic silver ingestion. Ionic particles, because of their positive particle electron charge, readily begin bonding with other organic substances, as soon as they enter the organism. This creates salts and compounds which are hard to excrete and add nothing to the healing process, because they are no longer silver, but something else. This is why they are The ABL products pass through the body unchanged, due to their negative electron charge. They are excreted quickly. They do not get bound up in other chemical relationships. They have absolutely no effect on the mineral balance of the organism, as they do not form compounds. Fat chance that you will convince your colleagues of this. They are locked into the theory that; Why should I pay for something that I can make for pennies? It all the same stuff. I could go through this thread, point by point, and present credible, independent, peer reviewed science to support these facts, but why bother? They either will not, or cannot grasp the scientific principle involved. You can always cut/paste excerpts from the studies listed on my Clinical Studies page. I will be putting up several more studies this week, since ABL has taken down their research page. I am glad I save some of those. I attached the Penn State. peer reviewed and journal published study. It was the basis for the 3rd US Patent. This patent actually protects the elemental silver particle. Good luck with this gang. I fear that you are tilting at windmills. Some people will defend their ignorance to their graves. I lost three friends over the past 18 months. They all went into the hospital for serious conditions (cancer, MS), but they all died within days from sepsis of resistant infections that they contracted after
Re: EXTERNAL:Re: :RE: CSRebuttal from ABC
Steve -- at this point, the information won't be going to the other list. The moderator has *taken it private* to *protect me from embarrassment* (smile). I'll honor her effort by returning the favor. What I'll do after all is said and done, is make a post to the other list summarizing the information that ws provided to the moderator -- and I'll try to do that without embarrassing HER. So -- your post is just fine for the current purposes. I didn't like the attitude of the writer either -- it's very hard to overcome that ignorance/arrogance when you're dealing with someone who believes it. As background information -- the moderator is a Biochemist who deals in horse and human health issues. Her original claim was that CS is unsafe to use in anything but moderate amounts for a short period of time. She claims that she has had many clients whose horses are carrying heavy silver loads from extended CS use. This is determined by hair analysis. My response was that these people are making their CS incorrectly and are producing large-particle CS which CAN lodge in the body tissues. Then along comes this guy from ABL who says that ionic silver IS large-particle. This is what I'm trying to respond to. Thanks for your help. MA - Original Message From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com MA If you want I can tone down my response. I didn't like the attitude of the writer. But he is not the audience you want to reach. The moderator and readers of the other list are and perhaps a lower toned response would be better. You will probably never convince the writer. - Steve N - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 09:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: :RE: CSRebuttal from ABC Hi Steve. LOL -- you got it! Thanks for your reply -- it was a beaut! MA - Original Message From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 2:55:22 PM Subject: :RE: CSRebuttal from ABC MaryAnn, If you forward my response, please delete my email address. I don't need hate mail from a stranger. I get enough from friends. g - Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic c discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSVORTEX BLENDER EXPERIMENT TO STRUCTURE WATER
Dear Brooks and group, For all those who were interested in my vortex blender experiment to structure water, I want to tell you about a few changes I've made. I thought a lot about how to mimic nature with all of her streams and creeks, in a blender, and this is the only solution I've been able to come up with so far. I wanted an inexpensive way to suspend some rocks in the blender so that they would take part in vortex that is created, so I took a trip to the 99cent store, and wound purchasing a 100 percent cotton doily, about 10 inches in diameter. I bought an off white one so as to minimize the chances of there being any dye in it. It has a somewhat large enough fishnet-like weave, to allow the water to freely flow through it, and yet is small enough to contain a few of the rocks I also purchased in the store. After thoroughly washing everything, I placed about 5 or 6 of the larger rocks in the center of the doily, and then connected all the outer points together with one of those little plastic straps that are used to hold things in place. I then filled the receptacle with water, about 3/4 of the way to the top. Most blenders, and mine, have a plastic insert on top, to allow for the adding of ingredients during the blending. I inserted the top of the doily bag through this insert, and secured it with a wooden dowel or wooden spoon. Then I just turned it on (at first, I SLOWLY PULSED, to make sure nothing was going to hit). That's it. Notes: 1) Any heavy cotton, fishnet-like fabric will do, but make sure that it will contain all of the rocks, and not let one slip out when it gets wet and stretches a little (as it will). 2) Wash and rinse your fabric thoroughly to make sure there are no chemicals or dyes in it. I used soap and water, rinsed a few times, and then let it soak in an MMS solution. 3) Suspend the rocks in the fabric above the halfway point in the receptacle, because the bag will come down a bit when it gets wet, due to the heavy weight of the rocks. 4) I bought a bag rocks in the 99cent store, just to speed up things, but I think that a few rocks that are personally collected by you, from around your neighborhood, would be best. Naturally, I would also wash the rocks to clean off any chemicals, debris, dirt, moss etc. If anyone is interested, I will TRY and take some pictures tomorrow and post them. Paul Catania -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSVORTEX BLENDER EXPERIMENT TO STRUCTURE WATER
Dear Brooks and group, For all those who were interested in my vortex blender experiment to structure water, I want to tell you about a few changes I've made. I thought a lot about how to mimic nature with all of her streams and creeks, in a blender, and this is the only solution I've been able to come up with so far. I wanted an inexpensive way to suspend some rocks in the blender so that they would take part in vortex that is created, so I took a trip to the 99cent store, and wound purchasing a 100 percent cotton doily, about 10 inches in diameter. I bought an off white one so as to minimize the chances of there being any dye in it. It has a somewhat large enough fishnet-like weave, to allow the water to freely flow through it, and yet is small enough to contain a few of the rocks I also purchased in the store. After thoroughly washing everything, I placed about 5 or 6 of the larger rocks in the center of the doily, and then connected all the outer points together with one of those little plastic straps that are used to hold things in place. I then filled the receptacle with water, about 3/4 of the way to the top. Most blenders, and mine, have a plastic insert on top, to allow for the adding of ingredients during the blending. I inserted the top of the doily bag through this insert, and secured it with a wooden dowel or wooden spoon. Then I just turned it on (at first, I SLOWLY PULSED, to make sure nothing was going to hit). That's it. Notes: 1) Any heavy cotton, fishnet-like fabric will do, but make sure that it will contain all of the rocks, and not let one slip out when it gets wet and stretches a little (as it will). 2) Wash and rinse your fabric thoroughly to make sure there are no chemicals or dyes in it. I used soap and water, rinsed a few times, and then let it soak in an MMS solution. 3) Suspend the rocks in the fabric above the halfway point in the receptacle, because the bag will come down a bit when it gets wet, due to the heavy weight of the rocks. 4) I bought a bag rocks in the 99cent store, just to speed up things, but I think that a few rocks that are personally collected by you, from around your neighborhood, would be best. Naturally, I would also wash the rocks to clean off any chemicals, debris, dirt, moss etc. If anyone is interested, I will TRY and take some pictures tomorrow and post them. Paul Catania -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSGone OT people particles on bottom of jar
Do you know what CREDO is? With my long distance telephone company---Credo I get free phone calls to my Govt. creatures Guess what they hear--- :-) yes---I also write... Lois -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
Been talkinI get a form letter back outlining all the wonderful accomplishments and thanking me for my support. They don't listen and I vote. The country side is 17 to one for self sufficiency and a hungry city may change its tune. A Southerner gets real quiet just before he kicks your butt...he'd just druther not. At least 2 Southern states have their own [silver] currency in the works, Texas is minting it now. talking to Army vets says they are solidly on Mom and Pops side and the National Guard is commanded by the Governor, not the resident president. If we paid our Fed taxes to the states, it's not unpaid and the states could hold the Feds ransom vs the other way around. Sending any Fed personnel into a Southern State against the will of the Governor is a violation of treaty. We can find the Governor...lots of Pine pitch and chicken feathers around... The self sufficient: First ask, then do what IS possible without permission. The dependent: Burns down their own 'hood in protest of failure of the impossible. The quiet ones are not the helpless ones. I ask locals what they think about.. Stony stare, a grimace and walk away [ Beyond discussion ] They KNOW. First..ask...use the tools you have. If Nov 2 doesn't work out.the quiet may become stealthy. If Nov 2 Does work out, but the newly elected are STILL traitors Improvise [Go around idiot..go around ] But this is WAY off topic...exceptCS, a Zapper and some local herbs might be all that you can get in a few years. Folx that DO, have done OK with less for centuries...and many still remember those days and retain those skills. ...just druther not. You don't bother to fight those you've made irrelevant unless THEY attack. The final question is: Who really depends on WHO ? If you get out of the way, there's no one TO attack. The productive aren't the dependent and can always find some way to work together with what they DO have, should have be damned. The talkers can talk all they want...but that doesn't DO anything. Not listening works both ways. My neighbors? If you scare em bad enough they will SHOOT YOU...without permission. ..just druther not and they will ask in a very soft tone... Are you SURE? I think this weekend we will see the difference between the order of quiet resolve, the silent majority... and angry impotent protest against the impossible. [LOUD is all they gots ] The last ride of the squeaky wheel is to the scrap yard...grease didn't work. The Freighters own the wagon, hire/fire the drivers and make new wheels...free ride passengers don't pull it. At some point, the influence of screaming tantrum falls upon deaf ears. The silent majority knows they've been conned and screwed...druther not it be so...but they know. They'll just [reluctantly ] make a turn back to the basics, shut the doors for a while, work behind them and let the noisy crowd go on down that road to nowhere following the misleaders. Prohibition proved that demand runs supply and laws that get the enforcers killed, aren't laws. Everyone needs food and it's the farmers and freighters that supply it. If the benefit in doing so stops, so will they. They can go on strike [become very small and clannish], supply only themselves and make revenooers disappear. Pretty drastic, [druther not ] but it can and has been done. If ANYONE remembers what wisdom [common sense and reality] is, it's farmers. It doesn't matter what side the butter is on if you have no bread. If you burn the grass down to the roots, the fire goes out and it grows back all the greener for the lack of roasted firebugs. The roots don't have to make noise or go to Washington in protest and if they did it was Are you SURE? ..and NOT noisy. We'd druther not, but YES we CAN. You only believe.we... KNOW. HOPE all you want.we DO. Ya think the Progressives don't know the obvious ? ..the Mullahs ?? They want to burn you down and you are being set up for the fire. But they also just believe they are those roots when all they really are is taller grass HOPING to put the fire out before they roast, last. They too, are being set up. A slave owner belongs to his slaves...they can't be trusted. The first slave owner in America was a black man...Anthony Johnson Will the last one also be a black man? It ain't about color...it's about getting yourself sold out. Whitey didn't go into the core of Africa and steal people out of their beds..they were sold out by their own, for profit...captives of tribal wars and tribal deadbeats. When you can't afford to carry dead weight, you sell it to the highest bidder to be used as ballast in a ship going down the river Closely examine what you want..That..is the fulcrum that leverage depends on. Know that you want far more than you need...become acquainted with the difference. If you address your own needs, what others want makes little difference. Live
Re: CSRebuttal from ABC
American Biotech Corporation or Labs a division of Clifton Mining whos stock took a huge leap after the announcement of a military contract by ABL for 3 million bottles of their CS..till investors realized that only reflected the sale of a few pounds of silver. The description of what the ABL product really is, is so full of sidewinder sales speak that it doesn't say a danged thing. What it probably is, is the same thing as Meso Silver with both stepping on anothers patent...rumor has it as Tetrasilver Tetroxide [or Silver Oxide times 4 ? ] which would possibly have a negative charge, but isn't Elemental Silver which has no charge. Buried somewhere in the patent for the process [not the product ] is the addition of H2O2 ..is it brown? NOT saying that these products are not good products, just that info is expertly obscured and talked around rather than revealed. ode At 12:19 PM 9/30/2010 -0400, you wrote: MA, you refer to ABC and ABL. What do they stand for? Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: CSRebuttal from ABC The following is a request for information from the person questioning me on the use of our home-made CS, and the response from the guy at ABC. Who is Don, anyway -- anyone know? I would appreciate responses from our CS-experts here, so that I can respond back. Thanks. MA This is what I received on CS from the ABL contactand it is not kindso I am not posting it to the list. I prefer to not incite people which only drives them deeper into denial and cancels the opportunity for me to teach and them to learn. But you can see that there is difficulty in understanding the science with the general public. Begin forwarded message: From: info i...@lifesilver.com Date: September 28, 2010 10:29:47 AM MDT Subject: Re: need some clarification here...for my clients Whew, that is a long thread. Right up front I see the common problem, though. I was once a member of a yahoo list called silver pets. They were, just as this one is, unable to grasp the difference between ionic home made silver, and pure elemental silver solutions. To attempt to explain, to people like this, the very fundamental differences in the two types of silver preparations is greeted as heresy. They are so locked into their erroneous beliefs that nothing could convince them differently. I finally wrote them off as Luddites, and moved on. Your group seems of much the same mindset. The fact that large amounts of silver are being retained in their horses indicates large particle, ionic silver ingestion. Ionic particles, because of their positive particle electron charge, readily begin bonding with other organic substances, as soon as they enter the organism. This creates salts and compounds which are hard to excrete and add nothing to the healing process, because they are no longer silver, but something else. This is why they are The ABL products pass through the body unchanged, due to their negative electron charge. They are excreted quickly. They do not get bound up in other chemical relationships. They have absolutely no effect on the mineral balance of the organism, as they do not form compounds. Fat chance that you will convince your colleagues of this. They are locked into the theory that; Why should I pay for something that I can make for pennies? It all the same stuff. I could go through this thread, point by point, and present credible, independent, peer reviewed science to support these facts, but why bother? They either will not, or cannot grasp the scientific principle involved. You can always cut/paste excerpts from the studies listed on my Clinical Studies page. I will be putting up several more studies this week, since ABL has taken down their research page. I am glad I save some of those. I attached the Penn State. peer reviewed and journal published study. It was the basis for the 3rd US Patent. This patent actually protects the elemental silver particle. Good luck with this gang. I fear that you are tilting at windmills. Some people will defend their ignorance to their graves. I lost three friends over the past 18 months. They all went into the hospital for serious conditions (cancer, MS), but they all died within days from sepsis of resistant infections that they contracted after entering the hospital, not their original complaint. Two, that I found out about early, were offered free silver. It was declined. They were both in Tulsa and Lori could have had it in their hands within an hour. Sigh... I attached a couple of documents that you might find helpful. Don On 9/28/2010 4:59 PM, Biochemist wrote: Hello Don, Having a problem with a group of people on my list who are defending the use of CS on horses for long termfollowing is a document of our
Re: EXTERNAL:Re: :RE: CSRebuttal from ABC
MA The presence of silver in hair is not indicative that horses are carrying harmful silver loads. Silver deposited in the tissues have been shown to be harmless. This is well documented in literature. You are trying to defend against a false premise to begin with. I would think a Biochemist would know to check the facts first. Silver appears to be unique in this. It is not the same, for example, with many essential elements such as selenium. In those instances hair analysis can be useful. On the other side of the arguement, I put a lot of effort into researching what is known regarding argryia. Unfortunately there is not enough known. The problem is that you cannot monitor the body's functions down to sub cellular functions as they occur. But I have not come across anything that supports the theory of large particles becomming lodged in the tissues. Metallic silver has been found in the tissues but researcher's best guess is that ionic forms of silver such as silver nitrate and protein bound silver are reduced to metallic silver while in the cell by other substsnces such as ascorbic acid. Silver nitrate is well known for giving up metallic silver when acted on by other substances and that is one reason to avoid it. I would also avoid MSP for the same reason. I also spent a lot of effort studying how silver is eliminated from the body and that has some relevence to finding silver in hair but I think discussing ot would more just muddy the waters and that is not what you need. But back to my original point, I think the moderator's conclusion based on her hair analysis work is wrong and you are off chasing a red herring. I also agree with Marshall that the person from ABL doesn't know what he is talking about when he equates ionic silver with large particles. That is so bizzare that it boggles the mind. Unforfunately just the fact the he works at ABL will give him undeserved credentials in the view of many unschooled in silver. Regards, Steve N - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:20 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: EXTERNAL:Re: :RE: CSRebuttal from ABC Steve -- at this point, the information won't be going to the other list. The moderator has *taken it private* to *protect me from embarrassment* (smile). I'll honor her effort by returning the favor. What I'll do after all is said and done, is make a post to the other list summarizing the information that ws provided to the moderator -- and I'll try to do that without embarrassing HER. So -- your post is just fine for the current purposes. I didn't like the attitude of the writer either -- it's very hard to overcome that ignorance/arrogance when you're dealing with someone who believes it. As background information -- the moderator is a Biochemist who deals in horse and human health issues. Her original claim was that CS is unsafe to use in anything but moderate amounts for a short period of time. She claims that she has had many clients whose horses are carrying heavy silver loads from extended CS use. This is determined by hair analysis. My response was that these people are making their CS incorrectly and are producing large-particle CS which CAN lodge in the body tissues. Then along comes this guy from ABL who says that ionic silver IS large-particle. This is what I'm trying to respond to. Thanks for your help. MA - Original Message From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com MA If you want I can tone down my response. I didn't like the attitude of the writer. But he is not the audience you want to reach. The moderator and readers of the other list are and perhaps a lower toned response would be better. You will probably never convince the writer. - Steve N - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 09:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: :RE: CSRebuttal from ABC Hi Steve. LOL -- you got it! Thanks for your reply -- it was a beaut! MA - Original Message From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 2:55:22 PM Subject: :RE: CSRebuttal from ABC MaryAnn, If you forward my response, please delete my email address. I don't need hate mail from a stranger. I get enough from friends. g - Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic c discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com --
Re: CS MaryAnn
My home distilled water comes in at 0 on a TDS meter. dee On 1 Oct 2010, at 15:42, Marshall Dudley wrote: I have neve seen distilled water come in at 0. What are you testing with and what is it's resolution? Marshall On 9/30/2010 11:43 PM, Costumes wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOn a personal note............
In a message dated 10/1/2010 6:58:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Any advice from anyone will be greatly appreciated. My recent hospital stay I ordered water with dinner. It arrived in bottles with the Hospital name. I emptied the bottles and filled them with my EIS without asking. Hospitals are so sensitive to lawsuits that nurses have to do what the Hospital tells them. I take 1/2 teaspoon of cinnamon which my DR said was OK. The nurse had to have pharmacy approved cinnamon and the pharmacy did not know how to bless cinnamon. I told the nurse that I brought some cinnamon pills with me and she went ballistic. Said get them out of here now. Talking to another DR later he said I should have told my DR and maybe he would have blessed my cinnamon pills. If you feel lucky ask your DR to bless your EIS. Brickey
Re: CSVORTEX BLENDER EXPERIMENT TO STRUCTURE WATER
Hi, Paul, Brooks, and all: I have modified my blender with the 16 little magnets, as pictured in the Amazing Magnetic Blender as pictured on www.quantumbalancing.com/magnetic_blender.htm, and I have also received the order of the vortex bottle connectors from www.teachersource.com. I taped two 3/4x1/2 neo magnets to the connector with positive and negative poles, on opposite sides, facing each other. Assuming that Dr. Ron Cusson designed and published the photo and description of the blender, I emailed him with some questions. He replied that he no longer supported the blender design, as he now offered a much stronger design. He also said that the vortex connector is a much less powerful unit than the blender. I have made magnetized/structured (are these different words for the same thing?) water and wine with both designs and cannot tell any difference in the taste between the unstructured and structured, or between the blender and vortex. Whoever it was that published the blender design said that with the blender magnetized water he quickly got a noticable high, and his joint pains disappeared and never came back. Also he noticed that with the wine the effects of the alcohol was increased. None of these effects were noticed when I drank them. (My wife has often said that I am insensitive.) Nonetheless, how do we know that there is any difference between magnetized/structured water or wine than straight out of the tap or bottle? Have I wasted time and money, or are there tests other than taste and feelings that can be used? I guess I could drink it for a lifetime and see if I live longer than I would have. I am already long past the average life expectancy of a male caucasian. Any comments, suggestions or constructive criticisms? Dick Dick - Original Message - From: paul catania squigg...@embarqmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:22 AM Subject: CSVORTEX BLENDER EXPERIMENT TO STRUCTURE WATER Dear Brooks and group, For all those who were interested in my vortex blender experiment to structure water, I want to tell you about a few changes I've made. I thought a lot about how to mimic nature with all of her streams and creeks, in a blender, and this is the only solution I've been able to come up with so far. I wanted an inexpensive way to suspend some rocks in the blender so that they would take part in vortex that is created, so I took a trip to the 99cent store, and wound purchasing a 100 percent cotton doily, about 10 inches in diameter. I bought an off white one so as to minimize the chances of there being any dye in it. It has a somewhat large enough fishnet-like weave, to allow the water to freely flow through it, and yet is small enough to contain a few of the rocks I also purchased in the store. After thoroughly washing everything, I placed about 5 or 6 of the larger rocks in the center of the doily, and then connected all the outer points together with one of those little plastic straps that are used to hold things in place. I then filled the receptacle with water, about 3/4 of the way to the top. Most blenders, and mine, have a plastic insert on top, to allow for the adding of ingredients during the blending. I inserted the top of the doily bag through this insert, and secured it with a wooden dowel or wooden spoon. Then I just turned it on (at first, I SLOWLY PULSED, to make sure nothing was going to hit). That's it. Notes: 1) Any heavy cotton, fishnet-like fabric will do, but make sure that it will contain all of the rocks, and not let one slip out when it gets wet and stretches a little (as it will). 2) Wash and rinse your fabric thoroughly to make sure there are no chemicals or dyes in it. I used soap and water, rinsed a few times, and then let it soak in an MMS solution. 3) Suspend the rocks in the fabric above the halfway point in the receptacle, because the bag will come down a bit when it gets wet, due to the heavy weight of the rocks. 4) I bought a bag rocks in the 99cent store, just to speed up things, but I think that a few rocks that are personally collected by you, from around your neighborhood, would be best. Naturally, I would also wash the rocks to clean off any chemicals, debris, dirt, moss etc. If anyone is interested, I will TRY and take some pictures tomorrow and post them. Paul Catania -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Distilled Water of .000
Marshall, the only place I have seen and used distilled water which tests on my PWT at .000 was in Australia, Perth to be exact, this distilled water is made specifically for those with kidney problems, and for the Kidney Foundation.I went to the factory which produces it and you should see the machinery they have for making same. You would delight in the factory it is a beauty to be sure, clean as a whistle and smooth as a babies bottom operationally ! Take good care Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE:VORTEX BLENDER EXPERIMENT TO STRUCTURE WATER
Hi Dick, I posted the following on another group this morning and I think you could do the same, by watering control plants with whatever water you wish to test. (not the wine though) :o) my message... I live in Las Vegas. Not too many springs and hardly any rain. But I am going to (today) order one of those photonic structured water devices. I will then be starting with at least a somewhat better quality of water, and will do some experimenting with plants fed with 1) plain tap water from a friends house, 2) plain tap water run through the photonic structured water device in my house, and 3) both of those waters after running them through my blender device. I figure that my body should somewhat react the same way as the plants do, so I'm looking forward to the experiment. Paul -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] Silver particles on bottom of jar
First of all, scinter or scintering is the wrong word for what you are trying to describe. It is inappropriate to use that word in this context. Look it up in a dictionary, or Google it. Even so, I don't believe that large particles of silver are undercut and break off the electrodes in any significant way. Dan On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Jan. Usually when there is silver laying at the bottom of the jar, that is silver that scintered off the silver bars too fast, and is therefore too large-particle to remain suspended in the distilled water. It could have been aided by some kind of film on the interior of the jar, or something less than perfect in the distilled water. So -- first, I would empty that batch of silver (save it for topical use). Wipe the canning jar out with a clean paper towel, rinse with distilled water a couple of times, wipe with paper towel again. Then -- set the unit up again and set the dial on 3 instead of 4. See if you get better results. If not, repeat the cleaning process of the jar -- sometimes it takes awhile to get any films off of the glass. If the third batch still has a lot of silver particles, get another gallon of distilled water -- try a gallon from Walgreen. If after all of that you're still getting a layer of silver, call Synergenesis and check with them. It is possible that there's some kind of electrical glitch in the generator -- but I would exhaust the other possibilities first. Usually it's the container or the water. MA P.S. There's nothing wrong with the clear colloid in the top 3/4 of the jar. You can carefully pour that off and use it orally if you prefer. From: Costumes costu...@dnet.net To: equine_solutions_netw...@yahoogroups.com Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 9:59:28 PM Subject: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] Silver particles on bottom of jar Hey, Ive started brewing my CS ... using my new wishgranted Master generator ... set on 4 ... distilled water from Walmart, as suggested by wishgranted ... and glass canning jars. Each jar that Ive brewed has a layer of silver particles laying on the bottom of the jar. What's up with that ??? The generator is behaving just like the intstructions said it would, w/o any issues ... Green light running all the time and cutting off when done ... red test light coming off and on intermittently jan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
It isn't a silent minority. It Is a vocal and radical minority that wants to impose their beliefs on the majority. A minority waving the flag and the cross but without morality or humanity. A minority thinking only of themselves. And whining how mistreated and misunderstood they are when they are not allowed to terrorize and control others in society. I left the OT list to get away from this crap. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar Been talkinI get a form letter back outlining all the wonderful accomplishments and thanking me for my support. They don't listen and I vote. The country side is 17 to one for self sufficiency and a hungry city may change its tune. A Southerner gets real quiet just before he kicks your butt...he'd just druther not. At least 2 Southern states have their own [silver] currency in the works, Texas is minting it now. talking to Army vets says they are solidly on Mom and Pops side and the National Guard is commanded by the Governor, not the resident president. If we paid our Fed taxes to the states, it's not unpaid and the states could hold the Feds ransom vs the other way around. Sending any Fed personnel into a Southern State against the will of the Governor is a violation of treaty. We can find the Governor...lots of Pine pitch and chicken feathers around... The self sufficient: First ask, then do what IS possible without permission. The dependent: Burns down their own 'hood in protest of failure of the impossible. The quiet ones are not the helpless ones. I ask locals what they think about.. Stony stare, a grimace and walk away [ Beyond discussion ] They KNOW. First..ask...use the tools you have. If Nov 2 doesn't work out.the quiet may become stealthy. If Nov 2 Does work out, but the newly elected are STILL traitors Improvise [Go around idiot..go around ] But this is WAY off topic...exceptCS, a Zapper and some local herbs might be all that you can get in a few years. Folx that DO, have done OK with less for centuries...and many still remember those days and retain those skills. ...just druther not. You don't bother to fight those you've made irrelevant unless THEY attack. The final question is: Who really depends on WHO ? If you get out of the way, there's no one TO attack. The productive aren't the dependent and can always find some way to work together with what they DO have, should have be damned. The talkers can talk all they want...but that doesn't DO anything. Not listening works both ways. My neighbors? If you scare em bad enough they will SHOOT YOU...without permission. ..just druther not and they will ask in a very soft tone... Are you SURE? I think this weekend we will see the difference between the order of quiet resolve, the silent majority... and angry impotent protest against the impossible. [LOUD is all they gots ] The last ride of the squeaky wheel is to the scrap yard...grease didn't work. The Freighters own the wagon, hire/fire the drivers and make new wheels...free ride passengers don't pull it. At some point, the influence of screaming tantrum falls upon deaf ears. The silent majority knows they've been conned and screwed...druther not it be so...but they know. They'll just [reluctantly ] make a turn back to the basics, shut the doors for a while, work behind them and let the noisy crowd go on down that road to nowhere following the misleaders. Prohibition proved that demand runs supply and laws that get the enforcers killed, aren't laws. Everyone needs food and it's the farmers and freighters that supply it. If the benefit in doing so stops, so will they. They can go on strike [become very small and clannish], supply only themselves and make revenooers disappear. Pretty drastic, [druther not ] but it can and has been done. If ANYONE remembers what wisdom [common sense and reality] is, it's farmers. It doesn't matter what side the butter is on if you have no bread. If you burn the grass down to the roots, the fire goes out and it grows back all the greener for the lack of roasted firebugs. The roots don't have to make noise or go to Washington in protest and if they did it was Are you SURE? ..and NOT noisy. We'd druther not, but YES we CAN. You only believe.we... KNOW. HOPE all you want.we DO. Ya think the Progressives don't know the obvious ? ..the Mullahs ?? They want to burn you down and you are being set up for the fire. But they also just believe they are those roots when all they really are is taller grass HOPING to put the fire out before they roast, last. They too, are being set up. A slave owner belongs to his slaves...they can't be trusted. The first slave owner in America
RE: CS Distilled Water of .000
I don't use a PWT meter but the Com 100 EC/TDS/TEMP meter has *never* shown zero, the Com TDS3 shows zero in practically *every bottle* of DW I've ever bought, and the Hanna TDS1 shows zero on the *odd* occasion. I use El Cheapo Black and Gold DW from Foodland, or IGA I think it's now called. N. From: oha...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 15:16:20 -0400 Marshall, the only place I have seen and used distilled water which tests on my PWT at .000 was in Australia, Perth to be exact, this distilled water is made specifically for those with kidney problems, and for the Kidney Foundation. I went to the factory which produces it and you should see the machinery they have for making same. You would delight in the factory it is a beauty to be sure, clean as a whistle and smooth as a babies bottom operationally ! Take good care Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Distilled Water of .000
Those number don't mean anything to me without researching each of them. What is important is the resolution of each. If the resolution is 100 uS for instance than anything less than 50, and maybe less than 100 will register 0. Since the expected readings should be between .2 and 3 or so, the meter must be able to measure and display such readings. Marshall On 10/1/2010 6:37 PM, Neville Munn wrote: I don't use a PWT meter but the Com 100 EC/TDS/TEMP meter has *never* shown zero, the Com TDS3 shows zero in practically *every bottle* of DW I've ever bought, and the Hanna TDS1 shows zero on the *odd* occasion. I use El Cheapo Black and Gold DW from Foodland, or IGA I think it's now called. N. From: oha...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 15:16:20 -0400 Marshall, the only place I have seen and used distilled water which tests on my PWT at .000 was in Australia, Perth to be exact, this distilled water is made specifically for those with kidney problems, and for the Kidney Foundation. I went to the factory which produces it and you should see the machinery they have for making same. You would delight in the factory it is a beauty to be sure, clean as a whistle and smooth as a babies bottom operationally ! Take good care Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOn a personal note............
MaryAnn, my Dad (84) had his aortic replaced, and a tumor removed from the mytral valve ... back in the spring, in Atlanta. The whole procedure went as smoothly as could be. He was in the hospital for 4 days, and now his heart is stronger than ever ... . Will say some prayers for your hubby :) jan My husband is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio right now. He will have open-heart surgery on Tuesday (aortic valve replacement and cardiac myeomectomy). I'll be driving there on Monday to be there for the surgery, and will remain in Cleveland while he's in the hospital. Of course, I'm worried about the surgery itself, but I'm more worried about the opportunities for infections while he's there. So I'm taking a gallon of CS -- is that enough? I'd also like to take some CS gel (courtesy of Ode's kit). I don't know how the hospital staff would feel about an unknown gel product on the incision itself, so I may not get that done until we're out of there. Any advice from anyone will be greatly appreciated. MA
Re: CS MaryAnn
I tested my DW w the Hanna Tester from wishgranted.com. Prior to brewing my CS, the unaltered DW was 0. Not sure what you mean by resolution ?? jan I have neve seen distilled water come in at 0. What are you testing with and what is it's resolution? Marshall On 9/30/2010 11:43 PM, Costumes wrote: MA, I tested my Walmart DW, and it was Zero. Tested the first 3 quarts that I brewed on fast at a setting of 4, with the silver particles, and they were all around 11. Tested the fourth quart that I brewed on standard at a setting of 3, without the silver particles, and it was 5. So ... I guess Im moving right along ; jan
Re: CSVORTEX BLENDER EXPERIMENT TO STRUCTURE WATER
Oh, I remember what I wanted to ask the group. After structuring the water, or wine, with the blender or vortex, how long does it stay magnetized? Can I keep it for days, or weeks, or should it be used the same day? NEXT topic: Also, I am making encapsulated magnesium chloride like LET C. When I measured the Ph of the MgCl it was 7.3, so I did not add the soda. However, after adding it to the lecithin I read the Ph and it was 6.6., so obviously the lecithin is acidic. Should it be neutralized with soda before adding the MgCl? And if that is true with MgCl, it must be true after adding soda to vitamin C, and adding the C to the lecithin. So is it important that the lecithin be neutralized before encapsulating in the ultrasonic jewelry cleaner? NOTE: I'm glad I didn't send that. I just finished Magnesium Chloride 480 seconds in the US cleaner and it foamed up in a stiff meringue and the liquid is clear, not milky like with vitamin C or Glutathione. What happened? Dick - Original Message - From: paul catania squigg...@embarqmail.com To: Dick Rochon rrocho...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 12:08 PM Subject: Re: CSVORTEX BLENDER EXPERIMENT TO STRUCTURE WATER Hi Dick, I posted the following on another group this morning and I think you could do the same, by watering control plants with whatever water you wish to test. (not the wine though) :o) my message... I live in Las Vegas. Not too many springs and hardly any rain. But I am going to (today) order one of those photonic structured water devices. I will then be starting with at least a somewhat better quality of water, and will do some experimenting with plants fed with 1) plain tap water from a friends house, 2) plain tap water run through the photonic structured water device in my house, and 3) both of those waters after running them through my blender device. I figure that my body should somewhat react the same way as the plants do, so I'm looking forward to the experiment. Paul - Original Message - From: Dick Rochon rrocho...@comcast.net To: paul catania squigg...@embarqmail.com Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:57 AM Subject: Re: CSVORTEX BLENDER EXPERIMENT TO STRUCTURE WATER Hi, Paul, Brooks, and all: I have modified my blender with the 16 little magnets, as pictured in the Amazing Magnetic Blender as pictured on www.quantumbalancing.com/magnetic_blender.htm, and I have also received the order of the vortex bottle connectors from www.teachersource.com. I taped two 3/4x1/2 neo magnets to the connector with positive and negative poles, on opposite sides, facing each other. Assuming that Dr. Ron Cusson designed and published the photo and description of the blender, I emailed him with some questions. He replied that he no longer supported the blender design, as he now offered a much stronger design. He also said that the vortex connector is a much less powerful unit than the blender. I have made magnetized/structured (are these different words for the same thing?) water and wine with both designs and cannot tell any difference in the taste between the unstructured and structured, or between the blender and vortex. Whoever it was that published the blender design said that with the blender magnetized water he quickly got a noticable high, and his joint pains disappeared and never came back. Also he noticed that with the wine the effects of the alcohol was increased. None of these effects were noticed when I drank them. (My wife has often said that I am insensitive.) Nonetheless, how do we know that there is any difference between magnetized/structured water or wine than straight out of the tap or bottle? Have I wasted time and money, or are there tests other than taste and feelings that can be used? I guess I could drink it for a lifetime and see if I live longer than I would have. I am already long past the average life expectancy of a male caucasian. Any comments, suggestions or constructive criticisms? Dick
Re: CS Dee - Home Distiller ?
Dee, How do you distill your own water ?? Did you buy a distiller, or just boil/steam your water on the stove ??? Do you start out with tap water, or spring water jan My home distilled water comes in at 0 on a TDS meter. dee
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
I have asked this thread to be ended. Please understand that some will reply to the thread before seeing my request, and it will take a day or two for everybody to catch up with reading their mail and some may inadvertently revive the subject that was supposedly ended before the realize it was ended. At worst, some may try to get a last word in... When I ask for a thread to end, that means not replying if somebody else does so for whatever reason, so that it can die a natural death as quickly as possible. I do not pre-screen messages, so each of you have to control your own behavior for it to work. Thanks, Mike D. I left the OT list to get away from this crap. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS Distilled Water of .000
OK. Not that I'm overly concerned with meter readings particularly but here are some figures if they are of any value... Com ec/tds/temp...resolution ec 0-99: .1uS, 100-999: 1uS #I don't use the tds function. Com tds3...range 0-9990ppm (mg/L) Hanna tds1...range 0-999ppm (mg/L), resolution 1ppm I haven't written down the accuracy % for each as that's irrelevant to me in my kitchen as opposed to laboratory controlled temperature environment. N. Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 19:09:59 -0400 From: mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000 Those number don't mean anything to me without researching each of them. What is important is the resolution of each. If the resolution is 100 uS for instance than anything less than 50, and maybe less than 100 will register 0. Since the expected readings should be between .2 and 3 or so, the meter must be able to measure and display such readings. Marshall On 10/1/2010 6:37 PM, Neville Munn wrote: I don't use a PWT meter but the Com 100 EC/TDS/TEMP meter has *never* shown zero, the Com TDS3 shows zero in practically *every bottle* of DW I've ever bought, and the Hanna TDS1 shows zero on the *odd* occasion. I use El Cheapo Black and Gold DW from Foodland, or IGA I think it's now called. N. From: oha...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 15:16:20 -0400 Marshall, the only place I have seen and used distilled water which tests on my PWT at .000 was in Australia, Perth to be exact, this distilled water is made specifically for those with kidney problems, and for the Kidney Foundation. I went to the factory which produces it and you should see the machinery they have for making same. You would delight in the factory it is a beauty to be sure, clean as a whistle and smooth as a babies bottom operationally ! Take good care Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS MaryAnn
Ive done several batches in the last couple of days ... setting 3, standard speed, all are testing consistently at 5ppm ... bottom of the jar is crystal clear and clean and its only taking about 2 hours per batch. jan
Re: CSOn a personal note............
Hi Brickey. Thanks for the input. I don't know the doctors at all, and don't feel particularly lucky. I think your idea of using hospital bottles for the EIS is a great one! Were the bottles glass, or plastic? MA From: brick...@aol.com brick...@aol.com My recent hospital stay I ordered water with dinner. It arrived in bottles with the Hospital name. I emptied the bottles and filled them with my EIS without asking. Hospitals are so sensitive to lawsuits that nurses have to do what the Hospital tells them. I take 1/2 teaspoon of cinnamon which my DR said was OK. The nurse had to have pharmacy approved cinnamon and the pharmacy did not know how to bless cinnamon. I told the nurse that I brought some cinnamon pills with me and she went ballistic. Said get them out of here now. Talking to another DR later he said I should have told my DR and maybe he would have blessed my cinnamon pills. If you feel lucky ask your DR to bless your EIS. Brickey
Re: CSOn a personal note............
Hi Jan. Thanks in advance for the prayers -- it's appreciated. And thanks also for the encouraging words -- your Dad was only in the hospital for 4 days? Wow -- that's amazing. I hope my husband does as well. Thanks for your post -- it's given me a bright ray of hope. MA From: Costumes costu...@dnet.net MaryAnn, my Dad (84) had his aortic replaced, and a tumor removed from the mytral valve ... back in the spring, in Atlanta. The whole procedure went as smoothly as could be. He was in the hospital for 4 days, and now his heart is stronger than ever ... . Will say some prayers for your hubby :) jan My husband is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio right now. He will have open-heart surgery on Tuesday (aortic valve replacement and cardiac myeomectomy). I'll be driving there on Monday to be there for the surgery, and will remain in Cleveland while he's in the hospital. Of course, I'm worried about the surgery itself, but I'm more worried about the opportunities for infections while he's there. So I'm taking a gallon of CS -- is that enough? I'd also like to take some CS gel (courtesy of Ode's kit). I don't know how the hospital staff would feel about an unknown gel product on the incision itself, so I may not get that done until we're out of there. Any advice from anyone will be greatly appreciated. MA
Re: CS MaryAnn
Resolution has a very specific meaning. To define a measuring instrument you have to know the range, accuracy, repeatability or precision, and resolution. The understand what these terms mean see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision http://www.firsttenangstroms.com/faq/Resolution.html also discusses the different terms. If your instrument has a readout that only reads integers, then the resolution would likely be 1, in the case of a TDS ppm, or for conductivity uS. If it has one digit after the decimal it would be .1 uS if it displays .1, .2, .3, .4 and so forth, but would be .5 uS if it displays .0, .5, .1.0 only. Giving a result which is more precise than the resolution of the instrument measuring it is meaningless. For instance if you have a thermometer that reads in degrees F with no decimal part, and it reads 72, you cannot claim that the temperature is 72.0 since the measurement could be off by .5 or even .999 degree. Marshall On 10/1/2010 7:23 PM, Costumes wrote: I tested my DW w the Hanna Tester from wishgranted.com. Prior to brewing my CS, the unaltered DW was 0. Not sure what you mean by resolution ?? jan I have neve seen distilled water come in at 0. What are you testing with and what is it's resolution? Marshall On 9/30/2010 11:43 PM, Costumes wrote: MA, I tested my Walmart DW, and it was Zero. Tested the first 3 quarts that I brewed on fast at a setting of 4, with the silver particles, and they were all around 11. Tested the fourth quart that I brewed on standard at a setting of 3, without the silver particles, and it was 5. So ... I guess Im moving right along ; jan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOn a personal note............
... Now if we could just get my Dad to stop eating salt and sodium The Dr's told him he HAD to make improvements in his diet ... but he has no intention of doing it He could care less about trying to do HIS PART to protect his health. If your husband shares your desire for good health, then that will certainly be a huge blessing on his behalf !!! jan Hi Jan. Thanks in advance for the prayers -- it's appreciated. And thanks also for the encouraging words -- your Dad was only in the hospital for 4 days? Wow -- that's amazing. I hope my husband does as well. Thanks for your post -- it's given me a bright ray of hope. MA -- MaryAnn, my Dad (84) had his aortic replaced, and a tumor removed from the mytral valve ... back in the spring, in Atlanta. The whole procedure went as smoothly as could be. He was in the hospital for 4 days, and now his heart is stronger than ever ... . Will say some prayers for your hubby :) jan -- My husband is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio right now. He will have open-heart surgery on Tuesday (aortic valve replacement and cardiac myeomectomy). I'll be driving there on Monday to be there for the surgery, and will remain in Cleveland while he's in the hospital. Of course, I'm worried about the surgery itself, but I'm more worried about the opportunities for infections while he's there. So I'm taking a gallon of CS -- is that enough? I'd also like to take some CS gel (courtesy of Ode's kit). I don't know how the hospital staff would feel about an unknown gel product on the incision itself, so I may not get that done until we're out of there. Any advice from anyone will be greatly appreciated. MA --
Re: CS Distilled Water of .000
On 10/1/2010 9:16 PM, Neville Munn wrote: OK. Not that I'm overly concerned with meter readings particularly but here are some figures if they are of any value. With some of these one could certainly get 0, since they lack the resolution to measure less than 1. For water which is 0.4 of what they are measuring they would measure: .. Com ec/tds/temp...resolution ec 0-99: .1uS, 100-999: 1uS #I don't use the tds function. 0.4 Com tds3...range 0-9990ppm (mg/L) 0 Hanna tds1...range 0-999ppm (mg/L), resolution 1ppm 0. That is why it is so important to know what the resolution is when water is highly non conductive. I do my measurement with a meter that has a resolution of .1 uS, and thus have never seen 0. If I were to use one of the other meters I would see 0 all the time, but they would not really be 0, just lower than the resolution of the instrument. Marshall I haven't written down the accuracy % for each as that's irrelevant to me in my kitchen as opposed to laboratory controlled temperature environment. N. Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 19:09:59 -0400 From: mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000 Those number don't mean anything to me without researching each of them. What is important is the resolution of each. If the resolution is 100 uS for instance than anything less than 50, and maybe less than 100 will register 0. Since the expected readings should be between .2 and 3 or so, the meter must be able to measure and display such readings. Marshall On 10/1/2010 6:37 PM, Neville Munn wrote: I don't use a PWT meter but the Com 100 EC/TDS/TEMP meter has *never* shown zero, the Com TDS3 shows zero in practically *every bottle* of DW I've ever bought, and the Hanna TDS1 shows zero on the *odd* occasion. I use El Cheapo Black and Gold DW from Foodland, or IGA I think it's now called. N. From: oha...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 15:16:20 -0400 Marshall, the only place I have seen and used distilled water which tests on my PWT at .000 was in Australia, Perth to be exact, this distilled water is made specifically for those with kidney problems, and for the Kidney Foundation. I went to the factory which produces it and you should see the machinery they have for making same. You would delight in the factory it is a beauty to be sure, clean as a whistle and smooth as a babies bottom operationally ! Take good care Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS MaryAnn
I understand the concept of the thermometer/temperature, and Im a graphic artist, so I understand resolution in regard to pixels ... etc ... but Im NEW to brewing CS ... so I need to learn the lingo ( uS ?? ) ... but I do understand what you are saying about the limitations of the testers being used. jan Resolution has a very specific meaning. To define a measuring instrument you have to know the range, accuracy, repeatability or precision, and resolution. The understand what these terms mean see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision http://www.firsttenangstroms.com/faq/Resolution.html also discusses the different terms. If your instrument has a readout that only reads integers, then the resolution would likely be 1, in the case of a TDS ppm, or for conductivity uS. If it has one digit after the decimal it would be .1 uS if it displays .1, .2, .3, .4 and so forth, but would be .5 uS if it displays .0, .5, .1.0 only. Giving a result which is more precise than the resolution of the instrument measuring it is meaningless. For instance if you have a thermometer that reads in degrees F with no decimal part, and it reads 72, you cannot claim that the temperature is 72.0 since the measurement could be off by .5 or even .999 degree. Marshall On 10/1/2010 7:23 PM, Costumes wrote: I tested my DW w the Hanna Tester from wishgranted.com. Prior to brewing my CS, the unaltered DW was 0. Not sure what you mean by resolution ?? jan I have neve seen distilled water come in at 0. What are you testing with and what is it's resolution? Marshall On 9/30/2010 11:43 PM, Costumes wrote: MA, I tested my Walmart DW, and it was Zero. Tested the first 3 quarts that I brewed on fast at a setting of 4, with the silver particles, and they were all around 11. Tested the fourth quart that I brewed on standard at a setting of 3, without the silver particles, and it was 5. So ... I guess Im moving right along ; jan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar
Hi Dan. Thanks for that information. I was using (and have been, for years) a term that is used in my CS manual for describing the process by which silver particles leave the electrodes. Oddly enough -- when I Googled it, they didn't even have that word spelled that way. They have he word *sinter* -- and it does have a different meaning, you're right. I will check a dictionary as well. So -- OK -- large particles of silver aren't disseminated (howzat?) from the electrodes *as* large particles, but the rapid dissemination results in agglomeration which becomes large particles. Right? MA - Original Message From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com First of all, scinter or scintering is the wrong word for what you are trying to describe. It is inappropriate to use that word in this context. Look it up in a dictionary, or Google it. Even so, I don't believe that large particles of silver are undercut and break off the electrodes in any significant way. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Jan. Usually when there is silver laying at the bottom of the jar, that is silver that scintered off the silver bars too fast, and is therefore too large-particle to remain suspended in the distilled water. It could have been aided by some kind of film on the interior of the jar, or something less than perfect in the distilled water. The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic c discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVORTEX BLENDER EXPERIMENT TO STRUCTURE WATER
According to Peter Kulish, magnet expert at www.biomagscience.net magnetized water will stay magnetized for 12 hours, as it slowly reverts back to the natural magnetic spin of the earth. I have no idea if the vortex changes this. We (Peter and I) talked of this 12 hour period when discussing water run past a magnet on a faucet or my Berkey filter. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Oh, I remember what I wanted to ask the group. After structuring the water, or wine, with the blender or vortex, how long does it stay magnetized? Can I keep it for days, or weeks, or should it be used the same day?
