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Re: CS>Silver citrate production

[Peter Deckers]

Thanks Dee, John and Ode!

I am going to have to read that link John send a couple of more times
before i might get a better grasp on it though.(pretty tough stuff,
especially when english and math skills are lacking)
I wonder how that djokic paper's silver citrate mixed with citrate acid
water would hold up against electrolysed silver citrate killing pathogens
wise. (Considering that what Ode said about "more things going on in
electrolysis", which makes sense )
But the Djokic paper and the silver100 product would suggest that non
electrolysed silver still packs a massive punch.. If not equal.. But a
google search on silver citrate gives very few results, mostly
silver nitrate comes up.
I was starting to lean towards an experiment with just buying some silver
citrate from a chemical company and see how far i got with it, but now Ode
got me thinking that i might give the electrolysis another shot.. But not
sure how i would know exactly how much ppm silver would be in the product..

Anyways, thanks for contributing and keep the intell coming pls!


Op vrijdag 25 maart 2016 heeft Ode Coyote <silverpuppy1...@gmail.com> het
volgende geschreven:

> A PPM meter will not detect non conductive molecules.
> There is more going on in the electrolysis process than just silver and
> citric acid [add in mon-atomic oxygen and hydrogen?  Silver oxide and
> hydroxide? ]  and I have not been successful in making an acceptable
> citrate product.
>
> Ode
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Peter Deckers <peterdecker...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','peterdecker...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Anyone? I hope i didn't scare everyone away :P
>>
>> Op maandag 21 maart 2016 heeft Peter Deckers <peterdecker...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','peterdecker...@gmail.com');>> het volgende
>> geschreven:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I am a "long time listener and first time caller" here :-))
>>>
>>> First of all i want to thank all the experts here helping out the less
>>> gifted in the field of chemistry, physics and electronics like me :-)
>>>
>>> I have been reading as much as i could here involving the subjects i am
>>> interested in, but i am afraid i still need some help if possible.
>>>
>>> I have been suffering over 10 years from multiple extremely resistant
>>> forms of skin problems like seborrheic dermatitis and athletes foot to name
>>> a few, and tried just about everything on the planet for it.
>>> One of the things i have been experimenting with lately is silver
>>> citrate.
>>> I have multiple silver generators at home, from very small like the
>>> silver pulser, to much larger like the silvergen, to a hvac system that
>>> also produce gold.(and claims to produce mainly colloids instead of ions)
>>>
>>> Anyway, i would really like to try and make the "original" silver
>>> dihydrate citrate myself, because buying it in the usa is already
>>> expensive, but then shipping it to my country would double the costs..
>>> Unfortunately my lvac systems are current limited so the high ppm stuff
>>> won't work. (Although the sota silver pulser seems to continue working
>>> during extremely high ppm citrate solutions, the numbers dont add up to me.
>>> F.e. I started with 3140ppm distilled water/citrate solution, but when i
>>> used the silver pulser in that, the ppm didn't increase.
>>> Which if i read correctly here is because the silver combines with the
>>> citrate to form a new molecule that doesn't increase ppm because the silver
>>> isn't and extra ingredient because it combines.
>>> But it could also be because my ppm meter was broken (thereafter), but
>>> soon i will have my hanna PH/ppm/EC meter repaired so i hope that can help
>>> with analysing what is happening.
>>>
>>> Because the electrolysing of citrate solution seemed a bit challenging
>>> to me to know exactly what is happening, i also tried to just make ionic
>>> silver with my silvergen and just add citrate afterwards.(if that even
>>> works? Because if so why are there somany patents about the electrolysing
>>> citric acid method if it would be totally unneccesary?)
>>>
>>> Again if i calculated correctly, which i am pretty sure i didn't, for my
>>> 10ppm silver i would have to add approximately 3ppm citrate in theory,
>>> right? (So the new solution would have a 13ppm total)
>>> I experimented with all kind of different citrate solutions and although
>>> it did seem to help my skin more then silver alone, it wasn't enough..
&

Re: CS>Silver citrate production

[Peter Deckers]

Anyone? I hope i didn't scare everyone away :P

Op maandag 21 maart 2016 heeft Peter Deckers <peterdecker...@gmail.com> het
volgende geschreven:

> Hi everyone,
> I am a "long time listener and first time caller" here :-))
>
> First of all i want to thank all the experts here helping out the less
> gifted in the field of chemistry, physics and electronics like me :-)
>
> I have been reading as much as i could here involving the subjects i am
> interested in, but i am afraid i still need some help if possible.
>
> I have been suffering over 10 years from multiple extremely resistant
> forms of skin problems like seborrheic dermatitis and athletes foot to name
> a few, and tried just about everything on the planet for it.
> One of the things i have been experimenting with lately is silver citrate.
> I have multiple silver generators at home, from very small like the silver
> pulser, to much larger like the silvergen, to a hvac system that also
> produce gold.(and claims to produce mainly colloids instead of ions)
>
> Anyway, i would really like to try and make the "original" silver
> dihydrate citrate myself, because buying it in the usa is already
> expensive, but then shipping it to my country would double the costs..
> Unfortunately my lvac systems are current limited so the high ppm stuff
> won't work. (Although the sota silver pulser seems to continue working
> during extremely high ppm citrate solutions, the numbers dont add up to me.
> F.e. I started with 3140ppm distilled water/citrate solution, but when i
> used the silver pulser in that, the ppm didn't increase.
> Which if i read correctly here is because the silver combines with the
> citrate to form a new molecule that doesn't increase ppm because the silver
> isn't and extra ingredient because it combines.
> But it could also be because my ppm meter was broken (thereafter), but
> soon i will have my hanna PH/ppm/EC meter repaired so i hope that can help
> with analysing what is happening.
>
> Because the electrolysing of citrate solution seemed a bit challenging to
> me to know exactly what is happening, i also tried to just make ionic
> silver with my silvergen and just add citrate afterwards.(if that even
> works? Because if so why are there somany patents about the electrolysing
> citric acid method if it would be totally unneccesary?)
>
> Again if i calculated correctly, which i am pretty sure i didn't, for my
> 10ppm silver i would have to add approximately 3ppm citrate in theory,
> right? (So the new solution would have a 13ppm total)
> I experimented with all kind of different citrate solutions and although
> it did seem to help my skin more then silver alone, it wasn't enough..
> So that is why i am trying to find the easiest and/or most reliable way to
> produce the full strenght silver citrate.
>
> Another route i was thinking of is to just buy silver citrate and dissolve
> that in citric acid.
> But again i am not sure if i understand the math.
> I read the following here:
> "Silvercitrate solubility is 0.28gr/liter = 280ppm (this works out to be
> 58ppm of silver)"
> I dont understand this because as far as i can find silver citrate has 63%
> silver content, so i would think 63% of 280ppm would mean 176ppm silver
> instead of 58ppm)
>
> But please ignore all my questions and mistakes if someone could just tell
> me the best way(s) to produce the exact same as the silverion2400 product,
> which is supposed to have a MIC against malassezia furfur of 0.25%
> Does that mean that silverion2400 can be diluted 400 times to still comply
> with the tested MIC?
>
> I apologize for my incoherent and perhaps confusing writing, but i wanted
> the experts here to see all the things that go on in my mind :-) and the
> (amature) level i am still on concerning this.
>
> Any help would be very much aprreciated!
> All the best,
> Peter
>
>
>

CS>Silver citrate production

[Peter Deckers]

Hi everyone,
I am a "long time listener and first time caller" here :-))

First of all i want to thank all the experts here helping out the less
gifted in the field of chemistry, physics and electronics like me :-)

I have been reading as much as i could here involving the subjects i am
interested in, but i am afraid i still need some help if possible.

I have been suffering over 10 years from multiple extremely resistant forms
of skin problems like seborrheic dermatitis and athletes foot to name a
few, and tried just about everything on the planet for it.
One of the things i have been experimenting with lately is silver citrate.
I have multiple silver generators at home, from very small like the silver
pulser, to much larger like the silvergen, to a hvac system that also
produce gold.(and claims to produce mainly colloids instead of ions)

Anyway, i would really like to try and make the "original" silver dihydrate
citrate myself, because buying it in the usa is already expensive, but then
shipping it to my country would double the costs..
Unfortunately my lvac systems are current limited so the high ppm stuff
won't work. (Although the sota silver pulser seems to continue working
during extremely high ppm citrate solutions, the numbers dont add up to me.
F.e. I started with 3140ppm distilled water/citrate solution, but when i
used the silver pulser in that, the ppm didn't increase.
Which if i read correctly here is because the silver combines with the
citrate to form a new molecule that doesn't increase ppm because the silver
isn't and extra ingredient because it combines.
But it could also be because my ppm meter was broken (thereafter), but soon
i will have my hanna PH/ppm/EC meter repaired so i hope that can help with
analysing what is happening.

Because the electrolysing of citrate solution seemed a bit challenging to
me to know exactly what is happening, i also tried to just make ionic
silver with my silvergen and just add citrate afterwards.(if that even
works? Because if so why are there somany patents about the electrolysing
citric acid method if it would be totally unneccesary?)

Again if i calculated correctly, which i am pretty sure i didn't, for my
10ppm silver i would have to add approximately 3ppm citrate in theory,
right? (So the new solution would have a 13ppm total)
I experimented with all kind of different citrate solutions and although it
did seem to help my skin more then silver alone, it wasn't enough..
So that is why i am trying to find the easiest and/or most reliable way to
produce the full strenght silver citrate.

Another route i was thinking of is to just buy silver citrate and dissolve
that in citric acid.
But again i am not sure if i understand the math.
I read the following here:
"Silvercitrate solubility is 0.28gr/liter = 280ppm (this works out to be
58ppm of silver)"
I dont understand this because as far as i can find silver citrate has 63%
silver content, so i would think 63% of 280ppm would mean 176ppm silver
instead of 58ppm)

But please ignore all my questions and mistakes if someone could just tell
me the best way(s) to produce the exact same as the silverion2400 product,
which is supposed to have a MIC against malassezia furfur of 0.25%
Does that mean that silverion2400 can be diluted 400 times to still comply
with the tested MIC?

I apologize for my incoherent and perhaps confusing writing, but i wanted
the experts here to see all the things that go on in my mind :-) and the
(amature) level i am still on concerning this.

Any help would be very much aprreciated!
All the best,
Peter

Re: CSRectal CS

[Peter Converse]

Hi Dave,

Great report but I doubt those were haemorrhoids...


-


My suspicion is that they were assteroids. 


--short pause for laughter  applause -or- snide remaks


but seriously folks.


I too have used CS down there, in my case as an implant during a colonic, 
based on Jim Humble's MMS enema discussion page. It is supposed to get into the 
blood plasma when introduced that way, if I remember correctly. I would imagine 
it would be deadly to Candida and other pathogens residing therekinda like 
a heat-seeking missile, in terms of achieving a direct hit.

It might be wise also to later implant a good probiotic with a rectal syringe 
to finish the job (maybe before a good nap or bedtime). I had a doctor who used 
to tell me that implanting your probiotics is far more efficient a method than 
taking them orally. I tested him out on that when my Candida was bad and the 
resulting die-off reaction was, indeed, far more pronounced when the probiotics 
were introduced rectally.

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave Darrin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 11:08 AM
  Subject: Re: CSRectal CS


  PT
It was performed with a turkey baster lubricated with CS gel. Probably 
about an oz. of 20 ppm. Stopped stomach cramps too.
  Didn't cause any other problems.
  Dave



  On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 8:02 AM, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net 
wrote:

Hi Dave,
Was it performed as an enema or a high colonic?
Thanks.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave Darrin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: CSRectal CS


  David
  One such application 10 years ago stopped diarrhoea,rid me of 
haemorrhoids and they have not returned.
  Dave


  On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:59 PM, David AuBuchon 
aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,

I just saw a you tube video with a guy saying he gets the best results 
with people using rectal CS.  He said he was giving 25-30ml rectally. 

Any experience with that?  I am just so interested in all the ways that 
might make CS better (H2O2, cayenne, rectal, etc.).

Thanks,
~David

Re: CSRectal CS

[Peter Converse]

Hi Deb,

I used Primal Defense powder...difficult to mix in distilled water (basically 
it doesn't dissolve much at all) but it gave me wicked die-off, I remember. 

I used a 60 cc plastic syringe fitted with a flexible catheter which I got from 
a colonics supply place. I almost did a headstand to get it to run in and stay 
in. (This is not the kind of thing to do with any onlookers around unless 
you've got an exceptionally good rapport with them. Inquisitive pets would be 
of no help either.)

Anyway, once I was sure it was in and wouldn't just run back out, I went and 
lied down immediately for the night. The next morning the overwhelming tsunami 
wave of depression hit me like a brick wallAhh...the feeling of success?!

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Deborah Gerard 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:03 PM
  Subject: Re: CSRectal CS


  Peter,
  I have heard this before about the probiotic introduced into the anus...did 
you use yogurt or pill type?
  thanks Deb




--
  From: Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca
  To: Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 3:09:13 PM
  Subject: Re: CSRectal CS


  Hi Dave,

  Great report but I doubt those were haemorrhoids...


  
-


  My suspicion is that they were assteroids. 


  --short pause for laughter  applause -or- snide remaks


  but seriously folks.


  I too have used CS down there, in my case as an implant during a colonic, 
based on Jim Humble's MMS enema discussion page. It is supposed to get into the 
blood plasma when introduced that way, if I remember correctly. I would imagine 
it would be deadly to Candida and other pathogens residing therekinda like 
a heat-seeking missile, in terms of achieving a direct hit.

  It might be wise also to later implant a good probiotic with a rectal syringe 
to finish the job (maybe before a good nap or bedtime). I had a doctor who used 
to tell me that implanting your probiotics is far more efficient a method than 
taking them orally. I tested him out on that when my Candida was bad and the 
resulting die-off reaction was, indeed, far more pronounced when the probiotics 
were introduced rectally.

  Peter
- Original - Original Message - 
From: Dave Darrin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: CSRectal CS


David
One such application 10 years ago stopped diarrhoea,rid me of 
haemorrhoids and they have not returned.
Dave


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:59 PM, David AuBuchon 
aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi all,

  I just saw a you tube video with a guy saying he gets the best 
results with people using rectal CS.  He said he was giving 25-30ml rectally. 

  Any experience with that?  I am just so interested in all the ways 
that might make CS better (H2O2, cayenne, rectal, etc.).

  Thanks,
  ~David

Re: CSMy first post

[Peter Converse]

thanks JanetI forgot to mention thatsuccuss each dilution 50 times on a 
phone book before use (good and hard)

PC
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane MacRoss 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 7:40 PM
  Subject: Re: CSMy first post


  Just a quick note - remember dilution is not homeopathic - dilution and 
succussion is tho.


  Jane 

  http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth
  ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~
- Original Message - 
From: Peter Converse 
To: David AuBuchon ; silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: CSMy first post


Hi Dave,


You might want to consider trying AHT (autohemotherapy) which boosts 
circulating macrophage levels. There are YouTube videos on the subject. Look 
for videos of Dr. Moura from Brazil, who is knowledgable in its application. 
(Portuguese with English subtitles)

or...Proboost Thymic Protein A

or...Immutol, Transfer Factor, AHCC in powder form (for best price) to 
modulate/boost immunity

also mushroom supplements from Aloha Medicinals or Fungi Perfecti

or...Iodoral or Lugol's solution to detox you of other halogens...and bring 
up your iodine levels while killing some bugs for a while go to Yahoo group 
 - Iodine  - or  - Iodine Research

Clean up the gut and boost mucosal immunityPrimal Defense or other 
probiotic suitable to you. Make organic milk kefir if you can do dairy. Make 
water kefir if you can't.

Consider the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for several years if your gut's a 
real mess. Add some concepts from the Body Ecology Diet, if you can.

Look up Oil Pulling

Echinacea purpea root extracts can boost NK cells ~250% if taken in 
appropriate amounts often enough. (also can do a lot of other good stuff)

Try FIR saunas to help you dump heavy metals and other toxins...also 
colonics...also zeolite, clay (Living Clay) baths, diatomaceous earth... etc..

Make sure you're getting enough trace minerals...look up Thorvin Icelandic 
kelp.

Read the book, the Immune Restoration Handbook, from the Keep Hope Alive 
Home Page...(online)

Also think of the possibility of autohomeopathytake blood, urine and 
other available body samples and make a concentrate in a solution of vodka and 
distilled water. Use that concentrate to make progressively more dilute 
homeopathic dilutions. Use diabetic syringes of sizes 1 ml. and 0.5 ml to make 
those dilutions accurately. Over a period of a couple years, while taking only 
a drop or two sublingually every couple weeks and changing your dilution once a 
month you might become symptom-free.

You might want to give Dr. K's KPU protocol a try regardless of your test 
results. As mentioned by Janet, false negatives can exist as can faulty methods 
of sample collection, storage, etc. which can impact the results profoundly.

Look up cpsbioresearchllc.

Consider an Ultimate Zapper.

Try the Salt/C protocol. Lymestrategies Yahoo group.

Go easy on the CS if using it longer term...use a nebulizer for more bang 
with less CS. Try adding a little 99.9% pure DMSO (5 to 10%) to your CS. Don't 
guzzle your CS (unless your gut needs it for some reason), take it sublingually 
or in more frequent small amounts by mouth, as often during the day as you 
think of itinstead of in fewer, large amounts. (Think of pathogen 
multiplication/replication rates)look up Dr. Fred Klenner's work

Improve your antioxidant status with a good resveratrol supplement such as 
Perfect Resgrape or Flavin 7 Goldalso... sodium ascorbate, liposomal 
vitamin C, Immunocal or ImuPlus or ImmunoProRX (the last three are all 
undenatued whey proteins which improve the glutathione conjugation detox 
pathway and antigen presentation) (brain fog should go and bug populations 
should plummet) Resveratrol inhibits certain viruses.

Try olive leaf tea made in the Crockpot using organic European olive leaves 
(12 hours on low temp..~175 to 185 degrees) Expect a BIG herx from this! 
...easy does it with this stuff.

Dr. Zhang Chinese herbs...Buhner herbs

Ozone saunas

(no medical advice here...just sharing a little of what I've heard 
around...do your own due diligence with a doc's guidance)

God be with you...prayer is always a good idea!

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: David AuBuchon 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:02 PM
  Subject: CSMy first post


  Hi All,

  I'm new to this list.  I've been following every CS group on yahoo, but 
they all seem pretty dead!  This one looks like the goldmine I've been looking 
for!

  I'm here to learn about all sorts of innumerable details of CS.  I am not 
in the biz, but have not ruled out the possibility that some day I might be.  
Hence I want to learn, learn, learn

Re: CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site...

[Peter Converse]

Mike,

Lazy? I doubt that...

Busy? I believe that...

Regardless.Here's your tributesung to the melody of the 
Billy Joel tune..


.Don't go changin'. to try and please us...~We 
love you just the way you are~..


Peter

(nuthin' like a little suckin' up to the bossman)

Have a great day Mike! Y'er doin' a great job!


- Original Message - 
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:11 PM
Subject: CS[List Owner]Archive listing on web site...



David wrote:

Lots of questions here!  I guess the only archives to speak of are
the actual emails?  I guess this group is intentionally low key.


LOL! No, David, the list owner is just lazy!

I've *finally* updated the Archive page on the web site to reflect the
existence of the *NEW* archives... grin

Should eliminate this kind of confusion in the future!

Peace,

Mike D.
List owner dude...

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSMy first post

[Peter Converse]

Hi Dave,


You might want to consider trying AHT (autohemotherapy) which boosts 
circulating macrophage levels. There are YouTube videos on the subject. Look 
for videos of Dr. Moura from Brazil, who is knowledgable in its application. 
(Portuguese with English subtitles)

or...Proboost Thymic Protein A

or...Immutol, Transfer Factor, AHCC in powder form (for best price) to 
modulate/boost immunity

also mushroom supplements from Aloha Medicinals or Fungi Perfecti

or...Iodoral or Lugol's solution to detox you of other halogens...and bring up 
your iodine levels while killing some bugs for a while go to Yahoo group  - 
Iodine  - or  - Iodine Research

Clean up the gut and boost mucosal immunityPrimal Defense or other 
probiotic suitable to you. Make organic milk kefir if you can do dairy. Make 
water kefir if you can't.

Consider the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for several years if your gut's a real 
mess. Add some concepts from the Body Ecology Diet, if you can.

Look up Oil Pulling

Echinacea purpea root extracts can boost NK cells ~250% if taken in appropriate 
amounts often enough. (also can do a lot of other good stuff)

Try FIR saunas to help you dump heavy metals and other toxins...also 
colonics...also zeolite, clay (Living Clay) baths, diatomaceous earth... etc..

Make sure you're getting enough trace minerals...look up Thorvin Icelandic kelp.

Read the book, the Immune Restoration Handbook, from the Keep Hope Alive Home 
Page...(online)

Also think of the possibility of autohomeopathytake blood, urine and other 
available body samples and make a concentrate in a solution of vodka and 
distilled water. Use that concentrate to make progressively more dilute 
homeopathic dilutions. Use diabetic syringes of sizes 1 ml. and 0.5 ml to make 
those dilutions accurately. Over a period of a couple years, while taking only 
a drop or two sublingually every couple weeks and changing your dilution once a 
month you might become symptom-free.

You might want to give Dr. K's KPU protocol a try regardless of your test 
results. As mentioned by Janet, false negatives can exist as can faulty methods 
of sample collection, storage, etc. which can impact the results profoundly.

Look up cpsbioresearchllc.

Consider an Ultimate Zapper.

Try the Salt/C protocol. Lymestrategies Yahoo group.

Go easy on the CS if using it longer term...use a nebulizer for more bang with 
less CS. Try adding a little 99.9% pure DMSO (5 to 10%) to your CS. Don't 
guzzle your CS (unless your gut needs it for some reason), take it sublingually 
or in more frequent small amounts by mouth, as often during the day as you 
think of itinstead of in fewer, large amounts. (Think of pathogen 
multiplication/replication rates)look up Dr. Fred Klenner's work

Improve your antioxidant status with a good resveratrol supplement such as 
Perfect Resgrape or Flavin 7 Goldalso... sodium ascorbate, liposomal 
vitamin C, Immunocal or ImuPlus or ImmunoProRX (the last three are all 
undenatued whey proteins which improve the glutathione conjugation detox 
pathway and antigen presentation) (brain fog should go and bug populations 
should plummet) Resveratrol inhibits certain viruses.

Try olive leaf tea made in the Crockpot using organic European olive leaves (12 
hours on low temp..~175 to 185 degrees) Expect a BIG herx from this! ...easy 
does it with this stuff.

Dr. Zhang Chinese herbs...Buhner herbs

Ozone saunas

(no medical advice here...just sharing a little of what I've heard around...do 
your own due diligence with a doc's guidance)

God be with you...prayer is always a good idea!

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: David AuBuchon 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:02 PM
  Subject: CSMy first post


  Hi All,

  I'm new to this list.  I've been following every CS group on yahoo, but they 
all seem pretty dead!  This one looks like the goldmine I've been looking for!

  I'm here to learn about all sorts of innumerable details of CS.  I am not in 
the biz, but have not ruled out the possibility that some day I might be.  
Hence I want to learn, learn, learn.  

CSTurpentine For Viruses?

[Peter Converse]

Hi Steve and all,

Anyone know if turpentine would help with chronic viruses such as EBV, CMV, 
XMRV etc?

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:18 PM
  Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #705


  I used turpentine for a case of UTI. It was very quick and effective. I took 
1 drop of pure turpentine with a half tsp of white sugar.  There were no 
observable effects other than the elimination of the infection.

   

  -  Steve N

   

Re: CSMSNBC Warning this morning on C.S.

[Peter Converse]

No doubt, some supplements do contain questionable and possibly dangerous 
ingredients...properly made CS ain't one of those posing a problem 
however...unless you do something stupid like trying to live on it alone...or 
drinking gallons of it each day for long periods of time with reckless 
abandon

as usualcaveat emptor...

but so do some foods...most tap water...the air you breathe, depending on where 
you live...all pharmaceuticals...and a lot of other stuff...

That said, this certainly looks like part of a larger, decades long, smear 
campaign designed to prepare the way for more Codex Alimentarius 
intervention

slowly and methodically influence the public to be fearful and untrusting about 
any non-pharma health modalities/treatments... 

sway their opinion away from acceptance of all so-called alternatives, which 
might otherwise impede their planned imposition of Big Brother guidelines

slow boiled frog brainwashing...one generation at a time...piece by 
piece...inch by inch...through the domination of all forms of manipulatable 
mediauntil one day...their objectives have been achieved...(insert 
here__ what you believe those objectives are)

deception and persuasion are less bloody and much less obvious for the 
recipient than the use of force...better to deceive mankind than demand their 
obedience and make threats...

think of the devil (serpent) in the garden of Eden...he didn't even lift a 
finger (claw?) to bring about the fulfilment of his plans...he merely opened 
his mouth, uttering pure lies... Eve, and eventually Adam fell for it hook, 
line and sinker...

Keep your eyes wide open...be aware...pass on your awareness to the next 
generation...their gonna need it!

Peter

Re: CSRegenerative wound healing using copper-silver citrate composition

[Peter Converse]

This is amazing stuff Steve! Thank you!

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:10 PM
Subject: CSRegenerative wound healing using copper-silver citrate 
composition



Below is an interesting patent application and some excerpts from the
patent. In a previous post I mentioned silver with zeolite. I had also
found a number of zeolite applications that used zinc or copper alone or
in combination with silver.

- Steve N


http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20100099758
Patent application title: Regenerative wound healing using copper-silver
citrate composition

A composition containing copper and silver ions electrolytically
generated in a solution of citric acid that also contains potassium
carbonate is shown to expedite the healing of wounds with regeneration
of normal tissue architecture and without excessive scarring. A wide
range of wounds and other forms of tissue damage affecting the skin and
other areas of the body respond favorably to the direct application of
the composition, with expedited healing, re-growth of normal appearing
(non-scar) tissue and symptomatic relief from pain and swelling. The
composition acts in both humans and animals through a novel mechanism
provisionally termed the tissue regeneration induced pathway (TRIP).

[0047]The present invention stems from a series of serendipitous
observations of expedited healing of skin wounds without significant
scarring, in both humans and animals following the application of a
copper-silver citrate composition. The composition was initially
developed as an effective environmental antimicrobial disinfectant
reagent. It has now been shown to promote wound healing and tissue
regeneration.

[0052]Copper citrate was developed as an antibacterial product that
could show some preferential killing of gram positive bacteria It is
produced by electrolysis of copper to a concentration of 300-500 ppm in
a citrate solution, as a chelator. It was further decided to include
silver at a concentration of approximately 50 ppm to potentially allow
for better conductivity and possibly a broader antimicrobial action. The
solution has performed very well as a disinfectant in hospitals and
other locations. It has also displayed somewhat remarkable wound healing
properties.

[0054]The invention provides a copper-silver-citrate solution that has
wound healing activities. Although the mechanism of its action is not
well understood, the observations made t6 date far exceed anything
reported in the current literature. The healing of skin wounds has been
documented in both animals and humans and requires no more that daily
exposure to a wounded area to achieve healing. More importantly, skin
and other lesions are healing with far less scarring than would be
expected from allowing the natural healing process to proceed within the
intervention. Various concentrations of the stock solution have been
tried with possibly more effect when undiluted but clearly with an
effect even at a 10% concentration. Several examples are cited below.

[0055]The product is routinely produced by electrolysis in a 3-5% citric
acid solution buffered with potassium carbonate to pH 5.5. The current
is provided by a 200 Amp 12 volt battery. The amount of silver dissolved
is calculated to be between 30 and 50 ppm. At the end of the silver
electrolysis, the pH is again adjusted to 5.5 and then copper is
electrolytically dissolved to a concentration between 300-500 ppm. The
pH of the solution is then adjusted to between 2.5 and 3.5 using
additional citric acid. It is then filtered and bottled. Several batches
have been tested and all have shown wound healing activities. Ongoing
nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) studies are consistent with a close
association of an enlarged copper atom with the central carboxylic
functional group of the citrate molecule.

[0056]Individual L.H. was using an electric screwdriver and
inadvertently held his thumb in the path of the screw. The screw passed
through both the front and the nail side of his thumb, leaving a gaping
hole surrounded by flesh. It was apparent that the bone must have been
penetrated. Two days elapsed with the thumb becoming more painful and
beginning to throb. Because of concern about possible infection, the
copper-silver-citrate solution was sprayed onto the wound at 100%
concentration. Apart from the stinging, there were no adverse effects.
The individual was instructed to dip his thumb into a 2 oz container of
the copper-silver-citrate solution twice daily for 7 days. The hole
closed over in one day and the swelling had resolved. By day 3 the wound
had healed without noticeable scabbing, discolorization or scarring. An
ultrasound of his thumb at day 7 showed a fully intact terminal phalange
(finger bone). His thumb is now fully functional and unscarred with a
normal appearing thumbprint.

[0057]Individual R.B. had a long standing deep wound involving

Re: CSstages of warts with cs

[Peter Converse]

or try  www.iHealthTree.com

Peter


- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: CSstages of warts with cs



Farm supply store
or

 www.DMSO.com

and some small country stores in the boonies

Ode

At 11:26 AM 7/31/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Where do people get their DMSO?

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Garnet_LDN garnet_...@austin.rr.com 
wrote:
 When I have used this method on skin tags and moles the appearance 
 changes
 as they tissue is dying. The skin tags have turned black and crusty 
 before

 falling off. The moles have gotten
 lighter and sloughed a layer at a time. The new growth of healthy skin 
 is

 from the bottom up or
 inner areas to outer areas so it may look worse as it pushes the wart 
 out

 because the wart tissue is dying. I have even seen cracking and
bleeding. So
 looking worse is a good sign to me but as always monitor for 
 inflammation,

 swelling and infection -- not likely with CS but still something to be
aware
 of.

 Janet

 Lin wrote:


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Re: RE:CSZeolite - Does it Really Work?

[Peter Converse]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for everything! Can I ask you for your powdered zeolite source?

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:13 AM
Subject: RE:CSZeolite - Does it Really Work?


Peter,

As you mentioned, zeolite is difficult to find real data on. I went thru 
that several years age and found enough for me to make a personal opinion 
but I have not tried to look for updated info because of the effort 
involved. Here is some of what I found back then.


Regarding liquid zeolite formulas. The original MLM version has a patent 
that you can find online. There are other versions employing either humic or 
fulvic acid. Some comments on what I found regarding liquid zeolite:


1. An activation process is used in the patent and by at least one of the 
humic acid alternatives. Basically the activation process is to heat the 
zeolite in an acid at high temperatures. The purpose of the acid/heat 
treatment of the zeolite is to flush out all the heavy metals that natural 
zeolite is reported to have already trapped within its honeycomb structure. 
This is then reported to eliminate heavy metals that could be transported 
into the body and also to increase the available adsorption capacity of the 
treated zeolite by up to 20 times that of the untreated zeolite.  If you do 
a Google search on acid treated zeolite you will find a good number of 
technical papers that provide real data on the effects the acid/heat 
treatment has on the zeolite. Report after report stated that the acid/heat 
treatment of the zeolite reduces the cation exchange capacity of the zeolite 
and increased the desorb characteristics of the zeolite. The cation exchange 
capacity of the zeolite is the quantity of positively charged ions (cations) 
that the zeolite can accommodate on its negatively charged surface. One of 
the key features of zeolite is its negatively charged surface that draws 
positively charged toxins to it and bonds the toxins to the zeolite 
providing for the removal of the toxins with the zeolite when the zeolite 
passes from the body.
Desorption is a phenomenon whereby a substance is released from or through a 
surface. The process is the opposite of sorption (that is, adsorption and 
absorption). The more a chemical desorbs, the less likely it will adsorb and 
adsorption is one of the characteristics that allow heavy metals and toxins 
to bond to the zeolite for removal from the body. After adsorption, the 
adsorbed chemical will remain bonded to the zeolite nearly indefinitely, 
provided the temperature remains low.
This means that the activation process actually significantly degrades the 
desired characteristics of zeolite. Claim that activated zeolite increases 
the capacity of the zeolite by up to 20 times that of the untreated zeolite. 
The natural zeolite I have seen has normally a no more than a 10% reduction 
in capacity due to absorbed minerals and metals. I see no no way to get a 20 
times increase.


2. Some claim that zeolite is absorbed into the bloodstream where it kills 
cancer or tumors. Some liquid Zeolite suppliers claim that the zeolite 
combines with humic acid and is carried into the bloodstream. Others make 
the claim that testing shows that 60% of orally taken liquid zeolite is 
passed out in the urine and 40% via the feces, thereby proving that zeolite 
must be absorbed into the bloodstream. One states that the zeolite has been 
screened with a #325 mesh screen vs. others with larger particle sizes and 
thus their zeolite is small enough to pass into the bloodstream but the 
others are not.
* A #325 mesh screen passes particles that are 44 microns or smaller. One 
micron = 10,000 angstroms, so 44 microns is equal to 440,000 angstroms. I do 
not believe claims that zeolite, liquid or otherwise, passes into the blood 
stream. The particles are just too large. Particles that do pass into the 
bloodstream would not have much if any usable portion of the zeolite 
three-dimensional honeycomb structure.


3. The claim that zeolite fights cancer and tumors. There is testimonial and 
anecdotal evidence that zeolite does affect cancer and tumors in the body. 
If zeolite does affect cancers and tumors, the method by which it does so is 
not yet understood. (Assuming that zeolite does not enter the bloodstream) 
Some believe that the zeolite triggers the immune system and therefore 
boosts the body's natural responses. Others speculate that by removing 
toxins, it frees up the body's resources to fight cancer, etc.
There are a number of studies out of Croatia that support zeolite as being 
effective against cancer and tumors but they are considered questionable.



Most of the useable information on the nutritional use of zeolite are animal 
studies. Many of them are somewhat subjective but you can draw your own 
conclusions. There are numerous studies of the effects of zeolite on farm 
animals where zeolite has

Re: CSZeolite - Does it Really Work?

[Peter Converse]

thanks to all who addressed my zeolite question!

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:28 PM
  Subject: Re: CSZeolite - Does it Really Work?


It was the medium size on this page

http://www.zeostore.com/index.php?cPath=1osCsid=969c8940d913613d8f23403a4a7097e3

Such a shame--from $3 a pound to $10 a pound.  If I knew it was going 
to jump that much, I'd have bought a bucket of the stuff at the original price!!

Samala,
Renee 


---Original Message---


 
There seems to be a few products on this website. Would u mind telling 
me the exact product you had your friend bought

   
  
   

Re: CSCurry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions

[Peter Converse]

Hi Garrick,

Great tip! Do you have a ratio of beans to seeds that seems to work well for 
you?

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Garrick 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:10 PM
  Subject: Re: CSCurry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions


  I use seeds from the Umbelliferae family in beans and they do make them more 
digestible and less or zero gas. I have used anise, coriander, celery, cumin, 
fennel, dill seeds in beans. First I grind them in an electric coffee mill. My 
favorite beans are chickpea, pinto and black beans. Chickpeas are the ultimate 
with a very good protein profile. I never make humus which is a disgusting 
greasy mess



  The Apiaceae or Umbelliferae (both names are allowed by the ICBN) is a family 
of usually aromatic plants with hollow stems, commonly known as umbellifers. It 
includes angelica, anise, arracacha, asafoetida, caraway, carrot, celery, 
centella asiatica, chervil, cicely,coriander/cilantro, cumin, dill, fennel, 
hemlock, lovage, Queen Anne's Lace, parsley, parsnip, sea holly, the now 
extinct silphium, and other relatives. It is a large family with about 300 
genera and more than 3,000 species. The earlier name Umbelliferae derives from 
theinflorescence being generally in the form of a compound umbel, and has the 
same root as the word umbrella. The botanical subspeciality that studies 
Apiaceae is sometimes called sciadophytography.




  On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote:

My only question is: Will curry help when you eat beans?

-   Steve N



http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/curry-spices-for-cows-and-sheep-could-cut-methane-emissions-2029761.html


Curry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions

CSZeolite - Does it Really Work?

[Peter Converse]

Hi Folks,

As Steve mentioned regarding zeolite, it's just about impossible to find some 
unbiased information while researching, due to the MLM factor. 

It's kind of funny that he mentioned this because I have been recently looking 
into zeolite once again, trying to dig up some truth. Man...is it ever hard 
to tell fact from fiction when it comes to this topic!!

Back in 2007 I did try the MLM liquid zeolite for a few months and I did 
actually seem to notice some great improvements in the way I had been feeling, 
relative to heavy metal toxicity and overall immune health. The cost of the 
product kept me from going on with it any longer though.

I am presently considering trying either the liquid zeolite (NCD) once again, 
trying Garry Gordon's nano zeolite product or giving the Zeolite Pure product a 
shot. Can anyone make any suggestions about any of these based on personal 
experiences or experiences of family members or close friends? 

Does anyone have any well grounded scientific facts about the effectiveness of 
any of these products to permanently bind toxins?

The company selling the MLM brand has had so much controversy in its history I 
really don't know what I can believe from these people. I see their product 
testimonials and I have to wonder how much truth could be in any of them. 
Comments?

What about alternatives to zeolite to serve the same purpose of binding and 
escorting heavy metals and other toxins from the body? Ideas?

Many thanks,

Peter

Re: CSAuto-Immune Hepatitis

[Peter Converse]

Hi Jonathan,

You might want to check into the work of Dr. Berkson who has helped people 
in similar shape with high doses of milk thistle, ALA and a third ingredient 
which escapes me right now...maybe selenium. He helped liver transplant 
candidates become free of their condition and their need for transplants.


Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp

To: Silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 8:11 PM
Subject: CSAuto-Immune Hepatitis


List,

From a friend:

My apologies for the mass mailing; I’m writing in the hope that you
might be able give me some information. My mother-in-law is ill with a
terminal liver disease (a rare form of hepatitis known as auto-immune
hepatitis.) We have been to the top hospital here in Fukuoka, and she
has been told that she would have an excellent prognosis only if she
can get a liver transplant. As there is absolutely no system of organ
donations in Japan, my wife was willing to be a live organ donor to her
mother. However, after my wife underwent testing, she was informed
that she was ineligible to be a live donor; her own liver, while
perfectly fine, was adjudged to be less than satisfactory for a
transplant.

I wonder whether anyone has first-rate information on alternatives to
transplant.

Thanks in advance.



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Re: CSLiposomal Encapsulation Technique

[Peter Converse]

Hi  Steve,

Thanks for the valuable information!

How do you make/take your liposomal C with sodium bicarb so you don't get 
severe bloating and audible gastric adventures?


Peter


- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: CSLiposomal Encapsulation Technique


Brooks has already answered Doug's question, but Thomas Levy's comment
that liposome encapsulated vitamin C, taken orally, was roughly 10
times more effectively clinically in resolving infectious diseases than
the IVC. remains as a question. Thomas Levy does not state it as a
verified fact but as an observation based on his experiences with both
liposome encapsulated vitamin C and intravenous Vitamin C. I have not
seen any basis for the comment provided but my guess as to why this may
be is that it is stateded that liposome encapsulated Vitamin C is
released for use throughout the body as the liposomal material is
metabolized by the cells requiring repair. This could deliver Vitamin C
directly to infected cells, perhaps more effectively than intravenous
Vitamin C would.

As an aside, here is info on why you should use sodium ascorbate:

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3t=7590

From Les Nachman, VP of Research and Development at LivOn Labs:

Dear Owen,

Thank you for your inquiry regarding ascorbic acid and our use of sodium
ascorbate in the Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C. You're quite right, gastric
juices have no effect on properly liposomed molecules regardless of
chemical composition. The problem with using plain ascorbic acid resides
in the blood, not the stomach.

Large doses of pure ascorbic acid in the blood can induce acidosis, an
increased hydrogen ion concentration in the blood plasma. This increased
acidity condition can result in a plethora of highly dangerous
conditions such as diabetic ketoacidosis , respiratory acidosis,
metabolic acidosis, renal tubular acidosis, anion gap acidosis, cellular
acidosis, and the list goes on. Virtually all of these conditions, if
not treated, can lead to death.

This is why no medical professional uses straight ascorbic acid when
giving an IV-Vitamin C infusion. When taken orally, ascorbic acid in
small amounts can be tolerated in most cases. Although diabetics and
folks with kidney problems should not take straight ascorbic acid. Which
leads us to our product and the answer to your question.

Many of our customers are accustomed to taking multiple gram doses at
one time, several times a day. On several occasions, I myself have taken
30 grams in one day. Sodium ascorbate is proven safe at 10 times 30
grams and even more in a 24 hour period, and so we use it with
confidence in the Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C.

Best regards,

Les Nachman


- Steve N


From: Garrick [mailto:zzen...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSLiposomal Encapsulation Technique

Hi Polo
Maybe the 10x more effective than intravenous claim and logic comes from
here
Note the email address at bottom for follow-up straight from horse's
mouth



http://drbloem.com/2009/05/15/liposomal-vitamin-c-qa-q-i-would-be-c/


I am a paid consultant to LivOn Labs, becoming so only after I became
impressed with their products. For the better part of two years, I
actually ignored my own medical observations, since they were in
complete conflict with what I felt just had to be true. Also, until the
past nine months or so, I had not bothered to educate myself extensively
on the body of liposome science that has been accumulating for the past
45 years or so. In a nutshell, I found that liposome encapsulated
vitamin C, taken orally, was roughly 10 times more effectively
clinically in resolving infectious diseases than the IVC. Having given
thousands of IVCs and taken hundreds myself, this was difficult to
comprehend, even though the clinical observation was quite
straightforward. I subsequently realized that the liposome gave the
ultimate bioavailability: intracellular delivery, including the
mitochondria, endoplasmic reticulum, and even the nucleus. Furthermore,
it was delivered in a non-energy-consuming fashion. IV vitamin C
requires an expenditure of energy to eventually reach the intracellular
compartment, but liposome encapsulated vitamin C does not. If possible,
you do not want to consume energy to get energy-carrying substances
inside the cell. It defeats the basic purpose. But let me clear, if it
is possible, give a patient both IVC and oral liposome encapsulated
vitamin C. However, if only one is available, the best application is
with liposomes orally.
Furthermore, liposome encapsulated glutathione is even more spectacular.
IV GSH is broken down into its three amino acids within a minute or two
of entering the blood. Subsequently three energy-consuming active uptake
mechanisms are needed to get those precursors inside the cell, and then
two molecules of ATP are used

Re: CSInteresting orgonite stores about spirits

[Peter Converse]

Very cool Marshall!

Do you have a preferred source for orgonite?

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:47 PM
Subject: CSInteresting orgonite stores about spirits



From an email I received:

In my inlaws old home, my wifes mother had routine harassment from 
spirits.  I went to there home, and in 2 seconds said Yeah, her name is 
Margaret Spears.. He dad, a soundly left brain entrenched scientist 
looked over, and said Uhh, thats the lady that died in this home 30 
years ago. How did you know this?.. I said Because she is standing 
right next to you bud, sorry to burst your bubble. Needless to say, 
there was also a gateway in the home, so at some dates, a literal parade 
of spirits would go through. They eventually packed their bags, and left 
the home, literally sitting there, empty.. Eventually they sold it 
someone, at like 80% less than they wanted.  They weren't interested in 
trying my orgonite unfortunately.


So the night before they were moving, she said some of the spirits came 
in and were carrying suitcases.. She asked me what it meant, and I said 
They're packing to come with you She was like... Uhhh... WTF? So 
in the new home, sure enough, some of them came along for the ride..  
Boy my wife's parents weren't happy about that! So I tossed my wifes 
mother a few pieces of orgonite, and said Have fun..  She placed them, 
and presto - no trouble anymore.  One day her son came to visit, saw the 
orgonite and said That's useless junk, be realistic, anyone that thinks 
that does anything is a fool. Throw it out(yeah, he's a jerk for 
sure)  So thinking about it, she decided to throw it out!  Within about 
2-3 nights, the parade of spirits moved back into the home. My wife 
tells me her mother was out frantically digging in the trash for the 
pieces, returned them to their spots, and had no more troubles again. 
Her son is an ass, sorry to say.. He looked over at me one day, and said 
You mean to tell me, you actually believe in God and Angels, and that 
silly bullshit?...  Ugh.. I just walked outside, sat on a lawn chair, 
and read a book. He's really something else.


Many years ago my wife woke me up at night, and said there were spirits 
in our living room. (she fell asleep on the couch)  I asked how they got 
their, and she said They knocked on the door, and said they were going 
back to the holy land, to meet up with Christ to be guided home, and 
wanted to stop over and rest for a night. So I told them it was ok to 
come in  WTF?  Anyway, I walked in, saw them sitting around, and 
said Well, OK, but make sure you are gone by the morning, and don't 
make too much noise!...   They were gone in the morning.. I got a 
chuckle out of that.


After we got orgonite, I placed a piece about 5 feet from the door.  A 
few nights later my wife woke me up and said a spirit is twirling around 
by the door, and appeared stuck.. I came in, the spirit goes This damn 
orgonite, can't get past it, its sucking me in! Move the thing away!.. 
I said Just get out and don't come back!..  It shot out the door 
angrily...   That's when I knew this stuff WORKS!  Got a big giggle out 
of that one..



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Re: CSMeat claimed as invention by Monsanto

[Peter Converse]

Sowas Kurt right all along with his rants (a couple of years ago) about 
how they were trying to depopulate planet earth??


seems like Monsanto's found a great way to mess with sperm counts among 
male soy eaters and, as well, among  the male offspring of female soy 
eaters.


...and what about elevating estrogen levels to insidiously cause cancers in 
women?


I wonder if it works as well with wheat, corn and rice when they're 
engineered to be round-up ready?


H..


- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: CSMeat claimed as invention by Monsanto



  The real conspiracy is to turn us all into sleepy girls.

%%
But we remain unconvinced that transgenic soybeans are strictly equivalent 
to conventional ones. For one, the amino acid composition of engineered 
soybeans is likely to differ.
Here's why. To create Roundup Ready soybeans, Monsanto's genetic 
engineers boost the activity of a gene which makes critical amino acids 
like **trytophan** [The thanksgiving turkey sleepy drug]. The fact that 
these amino acids are in greater abundance inside plant cells not only 
confers resistance to Roundup® herbicide, but likely shifts plant 
metabolism as well.
One of the main biosynthetic products of soybean metabolism is a class of 
compounds called isoflavonoids.


 These plant substances, because they have a remarkable similarity to our 
body's own estrogens, are called phytoestrogens.
Estrogenic substances play critical roles in controlling sexual 
differentiation. Hence, it is essential to know how much or little 
phytoestrogen is present in soy products.
 A recent non-industry research team headed by Dr. H. Sandermann and 
working in Germany found data that suggests Roundup Ready soybeans may 
have elevated phytoestrogens.
These researchers discovered that glyphosate treatment of legumes (fava 
beans in this case) like soybeans increases the level of plant estrogens.
 If confirmed, this study provides disturbing evidence that transgenic 
crops are not only different, but may well have a dramatic impact on the 
health and well-being of those who rely on soy protein as a major part of 
their diet.
While increased amounts of phytoestrogens in adult diets may protect 
against certain malignancies or provide other benefits, equally benevolent 
effects are unlikely if such estrogenic substances enter the diet of 
newborns.

%%

 Soy beans already have Phytoestrogens in them.MORE?

..I like girls just fine, sleepy or not and half of us say it ain't so bad 
to be one.
..just so long as they don't look like soy bean gobbling female 
turkeys.

[er, no thanx given there ]

Ode


At 03:05 PM 5/2/2010 -0400, you wrote:
They already own the patent on every soybean in the world!  GM is Roundup 
Ready this means they can spray Roundup on soybean crops and only the 
weeds will be killed.  How much Roundup are we getting with soymilk, 
beans, etc???


On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Bob Banever 
mailto:bbane...@earthlink.netbbane...@earthlink.net wrote:

Anne,

 Monsanto is THE most evil company on the planet.  They are tryoing 
to poison the entire human population with their GM foods.  They are a 
bunch of nazis, nothing more and nothing less.


 Bob
- Original Message - From: Annie B Smythe 
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To: CS List mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:55 AM
Subject: CSMeat claimed as invention by Monsanto



Meat claimed as invention by Monsanto

http://www.gmwatch.eu/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=12178http://www.gmwatch.eu/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=12178

Annie
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Re: CSZapper

[Peter Converse]

I second that Chuck!

Marshall,

If I may ask, while we're on this topic...

So, if someone is using a coil machine, having a sine wave, it must be 
relying on sheer power to shatter the pathogen's DNAno harmonics 
involved at all.correct?


But... will this power KEEP the DNA particles from migrating back toward one 
another and reassembling themselves? Evidence seems to demonstrate 
thiswhaddya think?


Now, what about a GB4000 contact Rife-type machine, with only 10 Watts of 
output (using the optional amp)it can be used in either of  its square 
or sine wave modes (square for the lower range frequencies and sine for the 
higher ones). Some people claim that it also produces harmonics with its AC 
square wave while others say only a DC positive offset square wave can do 
so...opinions?


Some have converted their GB4000s to positive offset by using a diode and 
believe that their results were more predictable after doing 
thisopinions?


Some believe that AC frequencies in the MHz range work very well in sine 
wave mode due to their sharp leading edges, especially when they are gated 
(pulsed). RR Rife was reportedly quoted as saying that gating is what 
actually devitalizes/kills the pathogens. He used a second frequency of 1330 
Hz, or thereabouts, laid overtop the MOR with a 30% duty cycle for this 
gated frequency, to achieve this effect. So, it seems that the power output 
he used combined with the sharp waveform and the gating were synergistic in 
producing the desired effect. (not to forget the plasma bulb 
characteristics)


Question...how can the GB4000 be used with a greater power output in radiant 
mode, rather than in contact mode (which seems hit and miss) without 
upsetting airwave authorities?


Sorry for all the questions but you seem to be the guy to ask.

Thanks,

Peter


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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: CSZapper


A really nice analysis, Marshall.

Chuck
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Re: CSRe: Cs in the sea !

[Peter Converse]

I 've had no experience with aquariums at all but I think I saw somewhere 
that people had been using Levamisole Hydrochloride for that purpose. Maybe 
someone much more knowledgeable can comment.


Peter

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:57 AM
Subject: RE: CSRe: Cs in the sea !



I'd be very careful, I dimly remember someone killing all their aquarium
fish (fresh water) by experimenting with CS in the water; it was on this
list several years ago.  As Frank points out, the silver chloride may be
much less toxic, it's much less effective.  I'd also wonder if it would
kill algae.


That was me...

I'll have to check out the link that was posted. If people are now
deliberately using silver preparations in aquariums, I'd like to see
what they're saying about it.

A properly balanced (freshwater) aquarium has a well established
biological filter consisting of several classes of bacteria that
progressively break down fish waste products into sequentially less
toxic chemical forms.

If you combine that with regular partial water changes to control the
ultimate concentration of the final breakdown products, the healthy
aquarium can be very attractive and low maintenance.

At least part of the chemical sequence is something like this:

Ammonia  Nitrates  Nitrites

Extremely Toxic  Moderately toxic  Mildly toxic

(I might have the nitrates and nitrites reversed. It's been a few
years! shrug)

A different type of bacterium is responsible for each step, and a
similar sequence processes fecal matter. They all balance each other
out and self-adjust as needed, creating a surprisingly resilient
system. They grow in the gravel and any filter medium.

If you take a setup like that and throw antibiotics or CS in it, in
sufficient quantities to kill or damage the biological filter, you'll
have almost instant problems with build up of waste products plus the
dumping of all the metabolites of the now dead bacteria.

Only aggressive and disruptive major water changes would allow you to
stay ahead of the toxic buildup and allow you to eventually re-
establish a healthy eco-system.

If you want to treat diseased fish, it would be better to carefully
establish a separate and well controlled treatment tank and transfer
them to it, rather than treat the whole tank. Such a setup would
require careful monitoring of waste products and water chemistry, given
that it would not have anything to stabilize the conditions.

Now, this is only one style of aquarium management. I'm sure there are
others. I only know about this with respect to freshwater; I have no
experience with salt-water aquaria.

Just read up and know what you're doing before you start to experiment,
if you care about your fish.

Be well!

Mike D.

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Re: CSZapper

[Peter Converse]

Hi Mary Ann,

It has been advised on the Microelectricitygermkiller group to switch polarity 
at five minute intervals to avoid the possibility of pain which can develop in 
the fingers if this is not done. Apparently, someone who was not switching 
polarity ended up with fairly severe pain after ignoring the advice.

If polarity switching effectively cancels out any effectiveness of using the 
Zilla why then do people get huge herxes and why do reports of condition 
improvements exist? Pacebo effect is something I can accept as a possible 
partial explanation for improvements but for herxing??

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:28 AM
  Subject: Re: CSZapper


  OK -- here's another message I found from last Wednesday.

  If you're right, and switching polarity negates the use of the unit in the 
first place -- then what's the point of it all?  Would one, instead, simply use 
one polarity as long as tolerable?
  MA




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  From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net

  Yea, that's the basic idea.
  
  
  At 05:44 AM 4/27/2010 -0700, you wrote:
  Ode -- are you saying that by switching polarity, you're undoing whatever 
  good you're doing by using the unit in the first place?
  MA (confused)
  
  
  From: Ode Coyote mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netodecoy...@windstream.net
  
  
  PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing electrochemical, neutralizing 
  what you were trying to do at that spot.
  


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Re: CSZapper...Re: Godzillas

[Peter Converse]

Well said Dan!

Re: Godzillas

I forgot to mention some of the points which you've raised and I'm glad you 
did.


I completely forgot to mention and since I did I'll do so now...

*turning down your potentiometer (if you put one in the circuit, which is a 
fine idea for building in some voltage/current flexibility) while having 
your milliammeter in series to get an understanding of what you can 
comfortably tolerate and what'll actually help you, will also help to 
minimize any skin burning. You'll find out what your personal range of skin 
tolerance is*


Putting in a reversing switch for regular 5 minute polarity switching also 
helps to eliminate finger pain which can result if one does not often enough 
switch polarity. Reversing positions of the actual electrodes is much more 
cumbersome than flipping a swith every 5 minutes. Just be sure to turn down 
your pot before polarity switching because when you flip polarity you get a 
voltage spike which'll make you do a little dance if you're not expecting 
it. After a few of these it almost gets to be fun to feel it but on the 
first time out it really startles you like a BBQ piezo igniter when you 
don't know it's coming!


I also tried making CS with my Godzilla, periodically manually adjusting the 
pot to turn down voltage as the process picked up conductivity. Very 
primitive but it seemed to make something drinkable. I just suspended some 
silver electrodes instead of the stainless steel ones which I use for 
zilling over a glass of DW to test it out.


Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: CSZapper


I don't have the patience to follow all the arguments here but I
believe it would be appropriate to say the following:

The burning from the applied DC is not from heat produced around the
electrodes, or from corrosive chemicals.  It is from the electrons
finding a low resistant path and concentrating along that path,
damaging the tissues.

Evening and spreading out the resistance along the electrode as well
as periodic repositioning of electrodes and polarity swapping, as well
as limiting voltage or current, seems to reduce this occurrence.

Dan

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com 
wrote:

Ode Coyote wrote:



By what mechanism could low voltage current travel in a liquid
environment other than ionic electro-chemicals?
Even neurotransmitters work that way...just higher speed chained 
reactions

is all.
High voltage establishes ionization paths.

Even Microwaves designed to cook things don't penetrate very far and
probably do most of the cooking via thermal conduction just like any 
other

oven.
[No, they don't heat from the inside out ]


Whether it cooks from the inside out or not depends on the relative
absorption of the layers. An egg, or meat that is covered with dry 
breading
will actually cook from the inside out because the shell or breading 
absorbs

almost no radiation and thus will not heat up except from the thermal
conduction from the inside.


Rife was observing effects on a microscope slide...very thin.
His tech may well have worked on larger samples [people] and he not 
really

know why.
Unless his electromagnetic beams were up there in the x ray frequency
ranges that could make it between water molecules. ..Ionizing Induction?


The frequencies are too low to be ionizing. The electromagnetic wave does
not have to be of x-ray frequency, it induces current into the body, just
like a zapper or pulser does. It could be through of as a pulser which
covers a larger area AND is frequency tunable.


What does ionizing radiation mean? Ionize what into what...how ?


Ionize means sufficient energy in a particle to cause the an electron to 
get
knocked out of its orbit, making the atom it comes from a positive ion, 
and

where it ends up a negative ion. Particles of such energy can break up DNA
as well.


Even most *nuclear* radiation is stopped by thin wet surfaces.


Depends on what it is. X-Rays and gamma rays can penetrate anywhere from
inches to feet of most substances. Alphas can be stopped by a sheet of
paper and might travel an inch in air, betas will travel further, maybe 
1/4

inch of paper or a couple of feet in air depending on the energy. Neutrons
are odd, they will travel through inches of lead, but be stopped by a
fraction of an inch of heavy water.


I have yet to see any Zapper maker that has made the connection between
how a Zapper works, how electro-plating works and how a CS generator 
works,

when all of them are the exact same machine, just applied to jars of
different substances in water and using different metals as electrodes.


Because that is not how they work. If it were, then they would not work 
for

those that use the damp cloth over the electrode like I do, and the pulser
which works the same way would not work either.


Disregard *what* they do for a moment

Re: CSAzomite Info and Website

[Peter Converse]

many thanks!

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: sms 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:21 PM
  Subject: CSAzomite Info and Website


For Detox:
Use 1 -2 heaping teaspoons of Azomite (non-clumping kind ONLY)in water 
or juice.

For General Drinking and Cooking Purposes:
Mix 1 teaspoon in 64 oz. of pure or distilled water, stir, and then 
use. 

Here is the Azomite Website page where many purchase their azomite 
(green label), or look
at the Where To Buy tab in the menu.
http://tinyurl.com/2bg29yn

---Original Message---

From: Peter Converse
Date: 4/27/2010 2:12:50 PM
To: cking...@nycap.rr.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSZAPPER or CS information?

and where's a good place to get Azomite for bottom dollar?

thanks,

Peter

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From: cking...@nycap.rr.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: CSZAPPER or CS information?


I've used from half a teaspoon to a full teaspoon in a smoothie or
just knocked it back followed by a glass of water.

Chuck
Smile, it makes people wonder what you are thinking.


On 4/27/2010 1:53:58 PM, needling around (ptf2...@bellsouth.net)
wrote:
 Hi,
 Would someone be willing to share what dose of Azomite they use for 
human
 consumption? I want to try it but I'm obviously not a plant or a 
steer!
 Thanks.
 PT


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Re: CSZAPPER or CS information?

[Peter Converse]

and where's a good place to get Azomite for bottom dollar?

thanks,

Peter

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From: cking...@nycap.rr.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: CSZAPPER or CS information?


I've used from half a teaspoon to a full teaspoon in a smoothie or
just knocked it back followed by a glass of water.

Chuck
Smile, it makes people wonder what you are thinking.


On 4/27/2010 1:53:58 PM, needling around (ptf2...@bellsouth.net)
wrote:

Hi,
Would someone be willing to share what dose of Azomite they use for human
consumption? I want to try it but I'm obviously not a plant or a steer!
Thanks.
PT



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Re: CSZapper

[Peter Converse]

Hey Bodhisattva and other interested folks,

Anyone have an opinion of or had experience with The Ultimate Zapper?

http://zap.intergate.ca/

Thanks,

Peter


- Original Message - 
From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: CSZapper



Agreed.  No broken wires in Don's Circuit.

My South African Made Don-Croft style arrived today. I like Don's personal 
ones better in my opinion, higher quality components and a cleaner design. 
But this one is a Backup, and should suffice when used in that capacity. 
Also this one doesn't have a very good piece of orgonite in it, the 
resin/metal matrix isn't nearly dense enough. MHD (Medium High Density) 
makes the best generic orgonite, this is Low Density, he also uses alum 
chips, copper or steel is a better choice.. I like the bigger contacts on 
Don's, and his wiring is very very clean compared to the one from South 
Africa. The upside, and it is a big one, it has straps on it so you can 
wear it around.  It has a aux-jack so you can use it to make highly 
charged Colloidal Silver.  These are two very n ice features.


Still, I am happy with the purchase as it was only $68.00, but I am also 
glad I have one made by Don.  It's sort of like if you have an BMW and 
Audi, both are nice cars, one just a bit better, but both will suffice 
especially when someone else is driving the better one.  If there is an 
Outbreak I want enough zapping power in the home that can handle the 
load of 5 people swapping it back and forth, you know?  Having just one 
seems to stretch it out, there are times when a couple of us want to use 
it at the same time.


Bob Banever wrote:

Dan,

 I have a recent Don Croft design zapper and I don't see any broken 
wires in it.  Some are wrapped around a magnet and the orgonite block is 
sitting on top of some wires as far as I can tell.


  Bob
- Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: CSZapper


Do you know the details of how the Don Croft zapper is made?  I have
several Hulda Clark type zappers that I made and wouldn't mind
experimenting with something like this.

Actually, at this point I don't consider the Don Croft Zapper to be
the same sort of thing as the Hulda Clark zapper because, apparently,
he has crystals in line with the electrodes.  If this means that the
wires are broken, and each end connects to the crystal, then there is
virtually no current traveling through this circuit.  (Unless it means
that the wires are not broken, and are wrapped around the crystals or
run parallel to the crystals...)

People are very imprecise in their descriptions!...  Mostly, they
don't know what they are talking about, and they don't have any idea
about what they don't know about it either.

Dan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:06 AM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com 
wrote:
My experience with them is, I much prefer the Don Croft design. The 
subtle

energy components in it are very impressive. But more than that, the
electrodes on the box make it something you can wear all of the time,
anywhere, and it becomes a whole lot more pleasant. I agree with Don's
assertion that the 15hz is the best overall rate for a wide variety of
things.

We've seen this thing kill some pretty nasty stuff, so much so, I 
purchased
a second one! The second one is coming from Africa, not made by Don but 
by
someone else. I'm ordering that one because it is half the price, and I 
want

to test effectiveness.


Kirsteen Wright wrote:


I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to 
having

the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen



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Re: CSZapper

[Peter Converse]

Hi Del,

You're not alone. A friend of mine with a Godzilla by V also put some nasty 
burns on his wrist. This is not meant to criticize V's work though which is 
respected among his peers. The same thing can happen with any Godzilla if 
you're not careful.

I have learned through my own experimentation with a homemade Godzilla used at 
varying voltages, ranging from 4.5 to 9V that changing locations of the 
electrodes slightly on the same wrist or switching from one wrist to another 
from time to time helps to minimize burning. Once you get a Godzilla burn it 
takes a very long time to completely heal and precludes any further 
experimentation on that same location for some time.

As Ode pointed out, current density is very important. You can manipulate this 
by changing the size of your electrodes...larger electrodes yield lower current 
density at the same given voltage compared to a set of smaller electrodes. The 
current does not have to be high to work. More is not necessarily better and 
can even be undesireable in some cases. Sensitive tissues can't tolerate higher 
voltages, for one thing.

Warnings about using anything heftier than 6 Volts are given by the group 
moderator of Microelecticitygermkiller because there have been cases of people 
(not on that group as far as I know) who have had heart attacks, probably from 
a preexisting heart condition, after licking the contacts of a 9V battery to 
test for enough juice. In light of that, he is advising experimenters to stay 
with 6 volts so nobody drops dead while using his idea. That advice is good.

That said, I have a good heart and have experimented with 9 volts using the 
same size electrodes that I used with 4.5 and 6 V and had no subsequent heart 
related issues resulting from it. I do like the extra power sometimes which 
allows me to up my electrode sizes for some applications but I have found that 
a little more caution and attention is needed to avoid burns at this voltage 
when using the smaller electrodes. Sticking with 6V is much easier and involves 
less complications for the beginner or anyone concerned that they may have a 
heart weakness of any sort.

Do these things work? To some extent seem to; for certain issues they are 
reported to work very well, for others they may not accomplish much. I had a 
friend come over who is dealing with parasitic poblems and he used my Godzilla 
for about twenty minutes. He almost passed out on my couch from the die-off 
reaction he got from it. I couldn't believe it! He became very drowsy and toxic 
and this lasted for a big portion of his day. The next day he bought the stuff 
to make his own. He is still dealing with his parasites though, 2 years later, 
after using the Godzilla and many other things, including heavy pharma meds. 
Some people report very good results for dental infections.

I have found, personally, that for a systemic bacterial infection the Godziller 
produced positive effect and caused die-off but for a systemic virus nothing 
resulted at all...not sure why. More than the Godzilla was needed, however, to 
bring the systemic bacterial infection under control due to its depth in the 
tissues. I have the idea that it cleared out the blood very effectively though 
which is much better than nothing. For a newly emerging bacterial infection, my 
guess is that it may be enough to complete the job or speed up the process 
before it finds its way through the body, if added to some other anivirals such 
as herbs.

hope this helps,

Peter


- Original Message - 
  From: Del 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 9:24 AM
  Subject: Re: CSZapper


  I purchased a Godzilla zapper from V, and got some pretty good burns on my 
skin from it.
  I have read a lot about people getting burns from the Croft zapper as well.
  I was never able to solve this problem and finally gave up on the zapper bit.
  Probably due to my ignorance, but I did follow instructions.

  Del

Re: CSStatistics, and Death.

[Peter Converse]

Hi  Bodhisattva,

Can you specify the ingredients of your herbal cleanse which promted your 
wife to dispel the worms?


Thanks,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:12 PM
Subject: CSStatistics, and Death.


Richard bringing up statistics, and how they make them say what they want 
is a very good point. One thing I laugh about is these so-called Virus 
outbreaks with very little credible evidence they are what they claim they 
are.  Let's give an example..


Lets say you crowd 9,000 pigs into a filthy barn, don't let the sun in, 
don't ventilate it. Then you feed them terrible food, and shoot them up 
with all kinds of junk to make them fat.  Outside of this place are a 
bunch of cesspools filled with countless tons of rotting pig bodies, 
feces, and urine.  A few hundred yards from this you have an overcrowded 
Mexican Village with malnourished people drinking water sourced from an 
outflow of those cesspools.


So when people start getting sick, they of course ignore all of these 
other causes, and factors, and say Must be a new virus, let's run some 
tests until we find it!.. This is a fixation with single pathogens that 
drives our legal drug cartels, and it is silliness to the extreme. 
Statistically it sounds great, a whole bunch of sick people next to a pig 
farm, must be a virus, let's tell everyone!  Let's patent a bunch of 
things, spend billions on a bunch of other things, then convince 
governments and states to spend billions, and we're going to get rich!


Of course totally ignoring the fact that for the VAST MAJORITY of people, 
this wouldn't be an issue, this would be just another virus in the 
millions of viruses on the planet that is an Opportunist.  A sort of 
thing that springs up from nature to Cull the herd.  I warned people 
H1N1 was a hoax, and wouldn't amount to anything, this kind of thing is 
obvious to anyone with even basic discernment. The fixation with specific 
bugs is ridiculous in my opinion.


When you take a compost bin, and toss in a bunch of old food, it becomes a 
bacteria cesspool. The bacteria respond to a condition, you in effect 
create a bountiful Host for them, and they move in. The same goes for 
your body, if you become a hostile habitat for them, they probably won't 
live in you, and you won't get much of anything moving forward.  Modern 
medicine instead of addressing the cause, which would be the compost in 
the compost pile, instead develops a drug to Kill the bacteria 
responding to the compost.. It's ass backwards!


My wife is a pretty healthy young gal. I finally convinced her to do my 
detox this year.  She did, and what happened? She filled the toilet with a 
pound of worms over a few days.  Don't get grossed out, unless you have an 
alkaline diet, and do regular detoxes, and avoid things like contaminated 
or undercooked meat, you have worms in you, and they may have been in you 
for decades.  These worms responded to the hostile environment my herbs 
created in her system, and exited the system as quickly as possible.  We 
didn't treat the worms, or develop a drug to kill the worms, instead we 
Changed the environment in her system that facilitated their departure. 
It's not hard science.




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Re: CSRE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE

[Peter Converse]

Hi Tel,

Wow, that's pretty cool! Thanks for sharing that!

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tel Tofflemire 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 5:24 PM
  Subject: Re: CSRE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE


  Thanks Peter,
  Their are a few sane and gentle people left on this site.  So Glad!
  It shouldn't matter but Dr. Jenner was Dr. Lugol's partner, they were not 
MD's but were both Dr. of Science , and working very hard on a solution that 
would sterilize their equipment after testing for a cure for several contagious
  ailments.  
  MY Point is Dr. Jenner was my mothers Grate Grandfather,  we used Lugol's  5 
% Iodine Solution, all my life and still do  and I am a few months from 70 yrs 
old. My mother never met Dr. Jenner but  My mother's Dad knew him  talked a 
lot about the German  The Frenchman working night and day together trying to 
solve that days health problems.  (They most likely did not Paten or Register 
the name Lugol's ?)
  Tel Tofflemire
  Dewey, AZ.





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  From: Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca
  To: Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 1:23:44 PM
  Subject: Re: CSRE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE


  Hi Folks,


  I agree with Tel Tofflemire.

  It is my understanding that J. G. A. Lugol, the guy who originally came up 
with the formula, made it in a 5% solution, as mentioned below from Wikipedia. 
That being so, it makes sense that Lugol's Solution, as he made it, is only a 
5% solution. If anyone else wants to make an iodine/iodide solution using 
different amounts of its constituents that too should have benefits but could 
not be rightly called Lugol's Solution because he (Lugol) didn't make it that 
way...make sense?? Calling it a 2% iodine/iodide solution, for example, would 
be fine, in my opinion, FWIW.

  Peter

  Lugol's iodine, also known as Lugol's solution, first made in 1829, is a 
solution of elemental iodine and potassium iodide in water, named after the 
French physician J.G.A. Lugol. Lugol's iodine solution is often used as an 
antiseptic and disinfectant, for emergency disinfection of drinking water, and 
as a reagent for starch detection in routine laboratory and medical tests .

  It has been used more rarely to replenish iodine deficiency. [1] However, 
pure potassium iodide, containing the relatively benign iodide ion without the 
more toxic elemental iodine, is preferred for this purpose.

  Formula and manufacture
  Lugol's solution consists of 5 g iodine (I2) and 10 g potassium iodide (KI) 
mixed with 85 ml distilled water, to make a brown solution with a total iodine 
content of 150 mg/mL. Potassium iodide renders the elementary iodine soluble in 
water through the formation of the triiodide (I3−) ion. It is not to be 
confused with tincture of iodine solutions, which consist of elemental iodine, 
and iodide salts dissolved in water and alcohol. Lugol's solution contains no 
alcohol.

  Other names for Lugol's solution are I2KI (Iodine-Potassium Iodide); 
Markodine, Strong solution (Systemic); Aqueous Iodine Solution BCP.

  Formula and manufacture
  Lugol's solution consists of 5 g iodine (I2) and 10 g potassium iodide (KI) 
mixed with 85 ml distilled water, to make a brown solution with a total iodine 
content of 150 mg/mL. Potassium iodide renders the elementary iodine soluble in 
water through the formation of the triiodide (I3−) ion. It is not to be 
confused with tincture of iodine solutions, which consist of elemental iodine, 
and iodide salts dissolved in water and alcohol. Lugol's solution contains no 
alcohol.

  Other names for Lugol's solution are I2KI (Iodine-Potassium Iodide); 
Markodine, Strong solution (Systemic); Aqueous Iodine Solution BCP.

Re: CSRE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE

[Peter Converse]

Hi Folks,


I agree with Tel Tofflemire.

It is my understanding that J. G. A. Lugol, the guy who originally came up with 
the formula, made it in a 5% solution, as mentioned below from Wikipedia. That 
being so, it makes sense that Lugol's Solution, as he made it, is only a 5% 
solution. If anyone else wants to make an iodine/iodide solution using 
different amounts of its constituents that too should have benefits but could 
not be rightly called Lugol's Solution because he (Lugol) didn't make it that 
way...make sense?? Calling it a 2% iodine/iodide solution, for example, would 
be fine, in my opinion, FWIW.

Peter

Lugol's iodine, also known as Lugol's solution, first made in 1829, is a 
solution of elemental iodine and potassium iodide in water, named after the 
French physician J.G.A. Lugol. Lugol's iodine solution is often used as an 
antiseptic and disinfectant, for emergency disinfection of drinking water, and 
as a reagent for starch detection in routine laboratory and medical tests .

It has been used more rarely to replenish iodine deficiency. [1] However, pure 
potassium iodide, containing the relatively benign iodide ion without the more 
toxic elemental iodine, is preferred for this purpose.

Formula and manufacture
Lugol's solution consists of 5 g iodine (I2) and 10 g potassium iodide (KI) 
mixed with 85 ml distilled water, to make a brown solution with a total iodine 
content of 150 mg/mL. Potassium iodide renders the elementary iodine soluble in 
water through the formation of the triiodide (I3-) ion. It is not to be 
confused with tincture of iodine solutions, which consist of elemental iodine, 
and iodide salts dissolved in water and alcohol. Lugol's solution contains no 
alcohol.

Other names for Lugol's solution are I2KI (Iodine-Potassium Iodide); Markodine, 
Strong solution (Systemic); Aqueous Iodine Solution BCP.

Formula and manufacture
Lugol's solution consists of 5 g iodine (I2) and 10 g potassium iodide (KI) 
mixed with 85 ml distilled water, to make a brown solution with a total iodine 
content of 150 mg/mL. Potassium iodide renders the elementary iodine soluble in 
water through the formation of the triiodide (I3-) ion. It is not to be 
confused with tincture of iodine solutions, which consist of elemental iodine, 
and iodide salts dissolved in water and alcohol. Lugol's solution contains no 
alcohol.

Other names for Lugol's solution are I2KI (Iodine-Potassium Iodide); Markodine, 
Strong solution (Systemic); Aqueous Iodine Solution BCP.

  - Original Message 
  Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:02 AM
  Subject: Re: CSRE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE


  Dude, take a chill pill.  My understanding is Lugols's is a 2:1 solution of 
potassium iodide and iodine, and can come in different concentrations.  
altcancer.com sells it in 2.2%, 3%, 7% and 15%.

  Take a deep breath and educate us on why Lugol's can ONLY be 5%.

  Alan

Re: CShypothyroid

[Peter Converse]

Hi Annie,

Great post!

BTW, what water filter pitcher are you using that removes 80 to 90 % of 
flouride?


thanks,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: CShypothyroid


If you don't take enough selenium with the Iodine it WILL cause you grief 
and CAN damage the thyroid. I've upped my dose to 50 mg per day of 2% 
Lugol's, I started with 5 mg and worked my way up slowly, and I take 400 - 
600 mg of the selenomethionine form of Selenium daily. When I don't take 
the Iodine I feel like crap. My thyroid felt swollen on one side and I had 
a small nodule on my thyroid which is slowly shrinking. The doc did not do 
a thyroid antibody test but he did say I had elevated antibodies according 
to my lab results. When I first started taking the Iodine my thyroid 
swelled some, but it is now a normal size. I feel physically much better. 
Detox/herx symptoms can be a bear but if you take extra magnesium, vit C, 
selenium, zinc and copper, and manganese, and use sea salt and plenty of 
water this can be reduced greatly. That and backing off on the dose until 
you feel a bit better. If you have a lot of toxins to detox the detox 
pathways can be overcome and this causes the detox/herx symptoms, or a 
viral load die off, or candida/fungus die off. The minerals the shepherd 
the halides, mercury and other stuff out are the ones I've listed above. 
You don't have a chance to get too much of them because the get used up 
binding to toxins and carrying them out, usually through the urine. And 
the body needs some of them for regular maintenance and enzyme production. 
I also added milk thistle, and dandelion to my regime to support the 
liver, and R ALA to boost glutathione. It also helped that I found a 
pitcher that filters everything including 80 - 90 % of fluoride from my 
tap water. And cutting out MSG, aspartame, and breads made from brominated 
flours, as well as all soft drinks, and upping my pure water intake to 
nearly 90 0z per day. I also added vit D3, and sea salt to my regime quite 
a while back and cut out almost all the processed salt.


Those with autoimmune hypothyroid issues MUST take the selenium, it's NOT 
an option, or it WILL cause problems, especially with antibodies. I get so 
tired of people not doing it the recommended way and then saying it's 
harmful. Or expecting it to work over night. Stephanie's(The Iodine list 
Mom) husband took at least a year to bring his Hashi's antibodies down to 
nothing. So it's a long term thing, and sometimes in the interim the 
thyroid usually WILL swell to grab more Iodine, when it has enough it will 
start to reduce in size. My thyroid kind of went up and down in size for 
two months or so before it settled down. But man oh man the detoxing I was 
doing during that time.


I won't say that my thyroid swelling up even more, like that didn't scare 
me to death, it did, but I was also told that it would go back down again, 
and it did.


But I guess everyone gets to health in their own way, there are many 
choices out there and a lot of research. I researched Iodine, the 
recommendations of nutrients to take with it and why, and the even the 
reports against it, thoroughly for several months before I made the 
decision to buy the Iodine and give it go. I haven't been sorry yet. Well 
except for an initial bad detox/herx reaction, LOL. I haven't lowered my 
thyroid med dose yet, I still have to get blood work done to see what my 
TSH, T4, T3 levels are doing.



Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Alan Jones wrote:

How high was your dosage, and for how long did you take it?

Alan

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Craig Chamberlin 
craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com mailto:craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com 
wrote:


Having been hypothryoid and having done this, I would *highly* that
folks with that condition look into the high iodine dosing.  I am no
longer hypothyroid and it cleared up a lot of other issues for me.

Another case of varying mileage.

Craig


needling around wrote:

Being hypothyroid and having done this, I would not recommend it
to anyone. It can also lead to thyroid nodules and autoimmune
thyroid issues.
PT
- Original Message - From: Shirley Reed
pj20...@yahoo.com mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:50 PM
Subject: CShypothyroid


 Hypothyroidism can be fairly quickly reversed simple by
ingesting sufficient iodine.  The Yahoo Group named  iodine
 can get you up to speed on iodine in very short order.   pj


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Re: CSImmune Modulating - Autohemotherapy Videos on YouTube

[Peter Converse]

Hi PT,

If you go to the YouTube videos and DVD transcript you'll get some more 
answers. It is reported to be good for autoimmune diseases. Maybe someone 
here with a medical background might be able to answer your questions.


Peter

- Original Message - 
From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: CSImmune Modulating - Autohemotherapy Videos on YouTube


Hi, I have a question about this procedure.  Isn't it basically creating a 
manmade bruise?  How would calcification of the bruise be avoided?  Also, 
would this procedure be contraindicated in autoimmune diseases?


Thanks.
PT


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From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: CSImmune Modulating - Autohemotherapy Videos on YouTube


What size (hole diameter) needle would be best used for this procedure?

Dan

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca 
wrote:

Hi Folks,

You might be interested in watching these short videos regarding a simple
procedure named Autohemotherapy, which reportedly increases macrophage
activity levels from 5% to 20 to 22%. There is a demonstration video as 
well

a Q and A video, a video with some case studies, and more.

Peter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AFovKm-XAwfeature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRj3U7hPxo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZW6lddu-8Ufeature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neuZTkfKmMkNR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3qQ_fsHX5sfeature=related



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CSAHT

[Peter Converse]

Hi Dan,

I was told that 10 ml. syringes equipped with 1 inch, 21 guage needles is 
usually the way to go for AHT unless someone in a very serious health situation 
requiring a larger draw of 20 ml. might use a larger syringe to accomodate 
that. You might want to have that confirmed by your doctor before having 
him/her proceed. 

It was mentioned in the videos by Dr. Moura that each deltoid can accomodate up 
to 5 ml. and each gluteus muscle can also accomodate the same amount. If 
someone is drawing more than 5 ml. it has been advised to inject only 5 ml. per 
location and not be tempted to put all of 10 ml. or more in one deltoid muscle 
to get it over with. In fact, this was strongly discouraged! Your doctor should 
know all this I would hope.

You can get a free DVD containing all the available facts from Arsenio at this 
address:
arsenio1...@optonline.net


Peter

Re: CSImmune Modulating - Autohemotherapy Videos on YouTube

[Peter Converse]

Hi Mike, Deborah and all,

What follows is my unprofessional viewpoint and is not intended, in any way, to 
be medical advice. Anyone interested in AHT should ask their doctor for 
professional direction. I have no medical training and have not performed AHT 
on anyone, including myself. That said, sometimes something comes along which 
almost demands our attention, crying out to be heard, in a sense. I believe 
that Autohemotherapy may be one of those very things. The present record of AHT 
to date seems to support this belief, at least from what I have seen. Further 
investigation of AHT seems prudent and if the situation warrants, clinical 
trials could prove or disprove its overall value.

I have spent some time as a layperson going over all the information presented 
and considering that Dr. Moura has absolutely nothing to gain financially from 
its presentation, it appears to be that AHT may be one of the most credible and 
beneficial methods one could have at their disposal for improving their quality 
of life and effecting a similar change in the lives of others. Time will tell 
if this is true, provided AHT is given a chance.

One caveat I was offered by a friend of mine who is a nurse is that it is very 
important where one goes stabbing around with 1 inch or longer needles. Hitting 
a nerve, if the procedure was done carelessly or without due consideration, 
could cause someone to end up with a drop foot or hand. So, that being said, 
having a trained medical professional perform the procedure would be very wise 
and adviseable. This same friend was, despite the possible risk of this 
happening in a very small percentage of cases, still very interested in 
beginning the procedure for herself in the near future. I don't say this to try 
to convince anyone of anything. I am only reporting what I was told.

Dr. Moura has been treating patients regularly with this procedure since around 
1976, I believe, and has done the same for himself and his wife for more than 
twenty years as well. The reported improvements brought about in many serious 
medical cases have been very significant (in some cases astounding) and the 
prophylactic immune modulating action of AHT for healthy, aging individuals is 
something he believes to be of great value.

His introduction to AHT was as an assistant to his father, a surgeon in Brazil, 
while he himself was a medical student back in 1943. He was instructed to 
perform AHT at the patients' homes a week prior to their upcoming surgery, 
again right before their surgery and finally a week after their surgery, before 
being released from hospital, to lessen the chances of infection. Consequently, 
his father's patients had a record of zero infection while it was routine for 
the other doctors in the same institution to have to have a 20% record of 
infection in their patients. This alone says something. Think of the suffering 
which could be eliminated and the money which could be saved. (Somebody will 
say ouch to this, no doubt.)

Your comment on the possibility of this procedure being vigorously suppressed 
is something I can agree with without exception. I suppose though that if AHT, 
like MMS, could become disseminated to as many people as possible in a fairly 
tight timeframe its acceptance could be more assured, at least for some. If the 
mainstream medical people don't embrace it, while citing some very valid reason 
to discount its potential value and if they still continue to ignore it, or 
even worse, suppress it without proving it dangerous or worthless, then that 
would say a lot about their motives, for all the world to see. 

 On a larger scale, world economies, many of which are struggling, in part due 
to their staggering health care expenditures, could be relieved of a tremendous 
burden if AHT was safely and professionally implemented for the masses needing 
its benefits. To say that the time has come for procedures like AHT to finally 
see the light of day, once they are reasonably proven domestically to produce a 
net gain, is more than an understatement. As well, if medical regulatory 
officials continue to construct their approval processes in ways necessitating 
the expenditure of millions of dollars while ignoring the established track 
records of safety and efficacy elsewhere and continue to make it impossible for 
anyone other than a multinational pharmaceutical company, having money to burn, 
to take part in the process then it would stand to reason that the present 
system could soon collapse. If that occurs, the years of suppression may soon 
be behind us.

My hope in presenting AHT is that an apparently safe and cost effective method 
of improving the immune system could be further explored to get to the real 
truth regarding its potential. If proven, my hope is that AHT not only sees the 
light of day but becomes a procedure of commonplace for those needing it and in 
the process much suffering is alleviated.

Peter

  - Original

Re: CSDiamond V XPC Yeast

[Peter Converse]

Diamond V XPC YeastHi Doug,

I e-mailed the manufacturers a few weeks ago to ask them if their finished 
products have any traces of gluten in them due to the grain substrate in which 
they are propagated but I didn't get an answer.

Do you have any idea whether their products have any traces of gluten in them?

many thanks?

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: polo 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:05 PM
  Subject: Re: CSDiamond V XPC Yeast


  Not Dan, but I have been taking about a spoonful a day for the last three 
years and in that time, not one cold, let alone anything else of more 
seriousness (flu,etc). Can't prove it is the XPC, but all I know I have been 
the least sick during that period of taking it of my life. I only take it from 
about October to May and go without in the summer time.

  doug


- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:23 PM
Subject: CSDiamond V XPC Yeast


As I recall, someone on the list (Dan?) purchased a quantity of Diamond V 
XPC last year. I was just wondering how they liked it.

-   Steve N

CSImmune Modulating - Autohemotherapy Videos on YouTube

[Peter Converse]

Hi Folks,

You might be interested in watching these short videos regarding a simple 
procedure named Autohemotherapy, which reportedly increases macrophage activity 
levels from 5% to 20 to 22%. There is a demonstration video as well a Q and A 
video, a video with some case studies, and more.

Peter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AFovKm-XAwfeature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRj3U7hPxo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZW6lddu-8Ufeature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neuZTkfKmMkNR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3qQ_fsHX5sfeature=related

Re: CSMercury in fillings

[Peter Converse]

Hi Kirsteen,

I highly recommend joining the Yahoo group called adult-metal-chelation and 
definitely finding a biological dentist who can do the work for you as safely 
as possible. 

There are things you can take, such as charcoal capsules, to absorb any mercury 
you might take in from the dental work but posting to the group might give you 
a much higher chance of success by providing you with an overall game plan on 
how to proceed. There are members experienced in this issue there who can also 
suggest some low dose chelation protocols to help you get rid of the heavy 
metal burden you might have, after you dental work has been completed.

How a dentist handles the mercury removal while working on you and how he/she 
supports you with supplemental O2 while simultaneously suctioning off mercury 
vapor-laden air from the vicinity to prevent you from breathing it in is 
considered vitally important by some experts. A rubber dam placed in the mouth 
is the very least which needs to done to prevent you from ingesting fragments 
of fillings which might otherwise make it down your throat but the other 
measures are almost equally important.

If you can't afford the right kind of dentist, get some money somewhere so you 
can afford one because the wrong kind of dentist can cause you to experience 
some very life changing and unpleasant experiences which, believe me, you want 
to avoid! Been there...done that...got the T-shirt!

Take whatever time you can to make the right choices for the best possible 
outcome and it will be well worth it. You'll be glad you did. Also, read Dr. 
Andrew Hall Cutler's book, Amalgam Illness, Diagnosis and Treatment. Being as 
informed as you can be about this matter, and acting accordingly, will be 
something that will pay off for decades for you, in terms of your health and 
your finances.

Look at the Immune Restoration Handbook, available from The Keep Hope Alive 
Home Page. It has many immune supportive ideas and is well worth the small 
price it costs.

I hope this helps,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kirsteen Wright 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:45 AM
  Subject: CSMercury in fillings


  Hi Guys

  I've been having a lot of problems with my teeth lately and I can't put off 
going to the dentist much longer. The problem is that I have quite a few 
mercury fillings. Some of these are going to have to be renewed, which will 
involve them being drilled out and new ones put in. unfortunately no special 
precautions will be taken by the dentist. There may even be some teeth that get 
mercury fillings for the first time :-(

  According to the dentist, he could put white fillings in the teeth at the 
front for 'cosmetic reasons' but if I want them at the back I would need a note 
from the doc to say I was allergic to mercury. It's pretty academic anyway as 
there's no way I can afford them.
  Living on disability benefits I get the dental treatment free, but non 
mercury fillings or removal of mercury isn't included. i know health is a 
priority but when it's a choice of paying my rent or paying for non mercury 
fillings and being homeless then it ain't much of a choice.

  I feel my immune system is already severely compromised (I have myalgic 
encephomeyelytis) so is there anything I can do to lesten the impact of all 
this mercury floating about.

  Cheers
  Kirsteen

Re: CSLYME AND SILVER

[Peter Converse]

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the reply. My name is Peter and I am a Lymaholicjust 
kidding...I have Lyme and co. too and am using a GB4000 and a John Stolar 
Coil machine along with Salt/C or CS, interspersed with MMS from time to 
time. This is the backbone of the protocol basically.


I have looked at Jim Meissner's devices with interest several times in the 
past but never seem to get a true feel for their effectiveness. Whenever 
I've gone on his forum and hung around for a while and whenever I've asked 
his clients how they are doing I don't seem to get much from my effforts. 
Maybe I just haven't persisted for long enough...not sure but if I'm 
going to lay out that kind of cash I'd like to have some reassurance of some 
sort of a track record with its users.


Anything you can add would be most appreciated!

Many thanks in advance,

Peter

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From: Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: CSLYME AND SILVER



She is using this one...

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/DP100

Lots more information about this and many other things folks are doing for
their Chronic Lyme on my free lyme resource CD. See website below...

Scott Adams
www.lyme-resource.com
You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Scott
Adams



-Original Message-
From: Peter Converse [mailto:pconve...@primus.ca]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 4:58 PM
To: Scott Adams; silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSLYME AND SILVER

never mind Scott...just found this post after the fact.

Peter

p.s. which Rife machine?


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From: Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: CSLYME AND SILVER


 Whoops typo there. Ridge machine meant RIFE machine!

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Adams [mailto:msad...@msadams.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:10 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CSLYME AND SILVER

 I am a bit behind in reading the list. Sorry to be so late on
 this one.

 My wife got back 80+% of her health by taking 12 ounces of
 our homemade EIS
 (CS) a day. Later she added a ridge machine to the mix and
 seems to come the
 rest of the way home.

 CS is an amazing antibiotic!

 Scott Adams
 www.lyme-resource.com
 You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them
 think! - Scott
 Adams


  -Original Message-
  From: Richard Goodwin [mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com]
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:07 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSLYME AND SILVER
 
  Yes, infusion -- either IV drip or direct injection into
arm vein.
 
  Yes, encouraging for sure.  But the cost to them in terms of
  well-founded paranoia is a real shame.  The Dr is afraid to
  be associated in any official way with CS, and is even very
  careful about lyme diagnoses -- we had to get tested by
  turning in our blood samples to a vet because vets have
  better tests than the medical establishment does.
 
  And the guy who actually supplied the silver is extra careful
  as well, but in spite of that has been threatened on more
  than one occasion.  Serious threats to his life.  His brother
  works for CIA, and he has treated a number of very high level
  officials in government, so between those two he has some
  protection, he thinks.  Still, he stays far below the radar.
 
  And of course I have long ago forgotten who these people are...
 
  Dick
 
 
 
 
  - Original Message 
  From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 7:21:08 AM
  Subject: Re: CSLYME AND SILVER
 
 
 
Infusion is like IV drip?
  ..done by a friend of the doctor?
 
  If that's the case it shows that doctors do often think out
  of the box, but just can't DO out of the box and some have
  the guts to make that whispered prescription along with the
  denial it allows.
  ..not all evil slaves to the system where making money and
  self defense [set up by consumers] are the major motivators
  of service limitations.
 
  I once shipped 6 CS generators to a NYC hospital [no names on
  that order..paid for by the hospital to disappear into some
  broom closet in it] and several more to doctors [of something
  or the other ], many to Vets and some to actual MDs. [for use
  by their own families? ]..and who knows how many that
  filtered their way in though 3rd parties running unlabeled
  next to a water cooler with a By the way...get some of that
  water on your way out [Can't tell you what it is, but
  drink some every few hours].
 
  An encouraging story.
 
  Ode
 
 
 
  At 04:49 AM 2/18/2010 -0800, you wrote:
   Hello Orv,
  
   I'm not sure if this email was to me or not, but I'll
  answer it anyway.  It was my wife who really had lyme
  symptoms 3 years ago.  She was tired all the time, head in a
  fog, and couldn't get through a day without a nap or two, had

Re: CSLYME AND SILVER

[Peter Converse]

Hi Scott,

That is good news about your wife! May I ask you for a website for the ridge 
machine...couldn't find one.


Thanks,

Peter
- Original Message - 
From: Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: RE: CSLYME AND SILVER



I am a bit behind in reading the list. Sorry to be so late on this one.

My wife got back 80+% of her health by taking 12 ounces of our homemade 
EIS
(CS) a day. Later she added a ridge machine to the mix and seems to come 
the

rest of the way home.

CS is an amazing antibiotic!

Scott Adams
www.lyme-resource.com
You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Scott
Adams



-Original Message-
From: Richard Goodwin [mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:07 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSLYME AND SILVER

Yes, infusion -- either IV drip or direct injection into arm vein.

Yes, encouraging for sure.  But the cost to them in terms of
well-founded paranoia is a real shame.  The Dr is afraid to
be associated in any official way with CS, and is even very
careful about lyme diagnoses -- we had to get tested by
turning in our blood samples to a vet because vets have
better tests than the medical establishment does.

And the guy who actually supplied the silver is extra careful
as well, but in spite of that has been threatened on more
than one occasion.  Serious threats to his life.  His brother
works for CIA, and he has treated a number of very high level
officials in government, so between those two he has some
protection, he thinks.  Still, he stays far below the radar.

And of course I have long ago forgotten who these people are...

Dick




- Original Message 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 7:21:08 AM
Subject: Re: CSLYME AND SILVER



  Infusion is like IV drip?
..done by a friend of the doctor?

If that's the case it shows that doctors do often think out
of the box, but just can't DO out of the box and some have
the guts to make that whispered prescription along with the
denial it allows.
..not all evil slaves to the system where making money and
self defense [set up by consumers] are the major motivators
of service limitations.

I once shipped 6 CS generators to a NYC hospital [no names on
that order..paid for by the hospital to disappear into some
broom closet in it] and several more to doctors [of something
or the other ], many to Vets and some to actual MDs. [for use
by their own families? ]..and who knows how many that
filtered their way in though 3rd parties running unlabeled
next to a water cooler with a By the way...get some of that
water on your way out [Can't tell you what it is, but
drink some every few hours].

An encouraging story.

Ode



At 04:49 AM 2/18/2010 -0800, you wrote:
 Hello Orv,

 I'm not sure if this email was to me or not, but I'll
answer it anyway.  It was my wife who really had lyme
symptoms 3 years ago.  She was tired all the time, head in a
fog, and couldn't get through a day without a nap or two, had
no energy for normal activities, starting to get some
arthritis, especially in her legs.  There were probably more
symptoms, but I don't remember.

 She had a blood test that came back positive, so our Dr
tested me as well, and I also tested positive, so we both
went on the CS, made by a friend of our Dr who saved his own
life when he was half dead from lyme symptoms.

 We both got infusions of CS -- about 20 cc if I remember
correctly -- every week or two to start, then less often as
time went on.  We also drank 3-4 oz a day of CS.  We stopped
the infusions after a year or so, but have continued the CS
since then (3+ years) because we also haven't had colds, flu
or flu shots or any other illness since we started the CS.

 I had not noticed any symptoms that I would have attributed
to lyme or to any other disease other than the usual aches
and pains of getting older (62 at the time).  I was starting
to get some arthritis in my knees and wrists, and had
experienced a general weakness in my legs for years.  I did
not feel confident going up and down stairs any longer.
Figured it was just age and not being in great shape.  Didn't
really think about it.

 After starting the CS, the first thing I noticed was that I
developed all these little itchy bumps all over my lower
legs.  This lasted for several weeks, then finally went away.
 After the bumps went away, I found that the arthritis in my
knees also went away, and my legs felt stronger and more
reliable than they had in years.  Surprise.

 My wife got better than better, got her energy back, no
longer needed as many naps, and eventually after a couple of
years, the Dr figured out lyme was cured due to lack of symptoms.

 That's about it.  Our lyme cases were pretty mild compared
to some.  The guy who treated us with CS, and who taught me
to make it, has cured some people who were very

Re: CSLYME AND SILVER

[Peter Converse]

never mind Scott...just found this post after the fact.

Peter

p.s. which Rife machine?


- Original Message - 
From: Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: CSLYME AND SILVER


Whoops typo there. Ridge machine meant RIFE machine! 


-Original Message-
From: Scott Adams [mailto:msad...@msadams.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:10 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSLYME AND SILVER

I am a bit behind in reading the list. Sorry to be so late on 
this one.


My wife got back 80+% of her health by taking 12 ounces of 
our homemade EIS
(CS) a day. Later she added a ridge machine to the mix and 
seems to come the

rest of the way home.

CS is an amazing antibiotic!

Scott Adams
www.lyme-resource.com
You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them 
think! - Scott
Adams 
 


 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Goodwin [mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com] 
 Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:07 AM

 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSLYME AND SILVER
 
 Yes, infusion -- either IV drip or direct injection into arm vein.
 
 Yes, encouraging for sure.  But the cost to them in terms of 
 well-founded paranoia is a real shame.  The Dr is afraid to 
 be associated in any official way with CS, and is even very 
 careful about lyme diagnoses -- we had to get tested by 
 turning in our blood samples to a vet because vets have 
 better tests than the medical establishment does.
 
 And the guy who actually supplied the silver is extra careful 
 as well, but in spite of that has been threatened on more 
 than one occasion.  Serious threats to his life.  His brother 
 works for CIA, and he has treated a number of very high level 
 officials in government, so between those two he has some 
 protection, he thinks.  Still, he stays far below the radar.
 
 And of course I have long ago forgotten who these people are...
 
 Dick
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message 

 From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 7:21:08 AM
 Subject: Re: CSLYME AND SILVER
 
 
 
   Infusion is like IV drip?

 ..done by a friend of the doctor?
 
 If that's the case it shows that doctors do often think out 
 of the box, but just can't DO out of the box and some have 
 the guts to make that whispered prescription along with the 
 denial it allows.
 ..not all evil slaves to the system where making money and 
 self defense [set up by consumers] are the major motivators 
 of service limitations.
 
 I once shipped 6 CS generators to a NYC hospital [no names on 
 that order..paid for by the hospital to disappear into some 
 broom closet in it] and several more to doctors [of something 
 or the other ], many to Vets and some to actual MDs. [for use 
 by their own families? ]..and who knows how many that 
 filtered their way in though 3rd parties running unlabeled 
 next to a water cooler with a By the way...get some of that 
 water on your way out [Can't tell you what it is, but 
 drink some every few hours].
 
 An encouraging story.
 
 Ode
 
 
 
 At 04:49 AM 2/18/2010 -0800, you wrote:

  Hello Orv,
  
  I'm not sure if this email was to me or not, but I'll 
 answer it anyway.  It was my wife who really had lyme 
 symptoms 3 years ago.  She was tired all the time, head in a 
 fog, and couldn't get through a day without a nap or two, had 
 no energy for normal activities, starting to get some 
 arthritis, especially in her legs.  There were probably more 
 symptoms, but I don't remember.
  
  She had a blood test that came back positive, so our Dr 
 tested me as well, and I also tested positive, so we both 
 went on the CS, made by a friend of our Dr who saved his own 
 life when he was half dead from lyme symptoms.
  
  We both got infusions of CS -- about 20 cc if I remember 
 correctly -- every week or two to start, then less often as 
 time went on.  We also drank 3-4 oz a day of CS.  We stopped 
 the infusions after a year or so, but have continued the CS 
 since then (3+ years) because we also haven't had colds, flu 
 or flu shots or any other illness since we started the CS.
  
  I had not noticed any symptoms that I would have attributed 
 to lyme or to any other disease other than the usual aches 
 and pains of getting older (62 at the time).  I was starting 
 to get some arthritis in my knees and wrists, and had 
 experienced a general weakness in my legs for years.  I did 
 not feel confident going up and down stairs any longer.  
 Figured it was just age and not being in great shape.  Didn't 
 really think about it.
  
  After starting the CS, the first thing I noticed was that I 
 developed all these little itchy bumps all over my lower 
 legs.  This lasted for several weeks, then finally went away. 
  After the bumps went away, I found that the arthritis in my 
 knees also went away, and my legs felt stronger and more 
 reliable than they had in years.  Surprise

Re: CShair loss causes

[Peter Converse]

Hi Shirley,

That was a good summation of what I have come to believe about iodine and 
the other halogens as well...well said!


Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:03 PM
Subject: CShair loss causes


  Since chlorine is known to replace iodine in our bodies and have a 
deleterious effect on intestinal health (where 70 to 80% of our immune 
systems are located!) this has to be suspected as part of the reason for 
the increase of the incidence of baldness in both men and women.  So 
filtering our water (shower water too )should perhaps be a priority for 
each of us.   Also, much of our water is fluoridated.  This also replaces 
iodine in our bodies so we may need to get rid of that too.   Since 
bromine in bread (since the early 1980's, commercial bread products use a 
bromine based dough conditioner instead of the formerly used iodine 
containing one), and bromine will also drive out iodine, then we may need 
to take action here also.  All three of these -- chlorine, fluoride, and 
bromine--- drive out our beneficial iodine, and themselves have very bad 
effects on us.  We are increasingly bombarded with these and have a 
reduced intake of iodine as well.  So the
stage is set for poor endocrine gland function (think thyroid gland though 
they all influence each others functioning).   Well,  I didn't mean to 
write a book, but it is really terrible what is being done to people just 
through ignorance and undue reliance on authorities to regulate what we 
eat and drink.  Just my opinion and none of this should be construed as 
advice of any kind since I have no certificates or degrees of any kind in 
nutrition or medicine.  But I have a computer and a brain and all the 
above can be checked out.  It takes pretty strong conviction based on 
sufficient knowledge to take action regarding iodine since so many regard 
it as poison.  Sorry for the length of this post.   Best wishes, pjps 
I added the 'may's and 'perhaps' after rereading this.  No Gestapo for me 
I hope.






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Re: CSDepression/Anxiety

[Peter Converse]

Hi Lou,

Here's a few ideas which come to mind from personal experiences.

When I used to have severe anxiety it was due to mercury toxicity. There are, 
of course, probably many causes for anxiety but mine was primarily mercury. 
Having a hair analysis completed by a doctor of environmental medicine might be 
an option to investigate, if desired.

Amino acid imbalances can also cause terrible anxiety...been there...done that 
too...too many excitatory aminos and too few calming aminos. In that case, 
taking a lot of sublingual GABA for several months evened me out. A very good 
book on the subject of amino acid manipulation through diet and supplementation 
is The Edge Effect, by Eric R. Braverman M.D.

Drug interactions can also cause anxiety/depression so you could examine 
whatever meds she may be on, search for their possible side effects and discuss 
these possibilities with her doctor.

If it's purely hormonal, getting a prescription for bioidentical hormones from 
her M.D. may be the way to proceed. Alternatively, there are a number of herbs 
such as black cohosh, to name one, which can be used to lessen menopausal mood 
swings etc.. Further research here might be an idea.

Tryptophan or 5HTP are considerations for some people having 
anxiety/depression. In Germany, I believe, they routinely prescribe the herb, 
St. John's Wort, due to its 5HTP-creating effect in the brain.

Prayer and faith, being replacements for fear, have also helped me (and others) 
through anxious times, when spiritual aspects come into play, which they often 
do, living in our stressful world.

I hope these are of some help to you,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: LOU ROSELLI 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:43 AM
  Subject: CSDepression/Anxiety


  I need some direction. 

  My wife is 46 years old suffering from depression, anxiety and menopause. She 
has been seeing counselors and she was recommended to again take an 
depressants. She has tried Wellbutryn once for a month which gave her bad side 
effects like headaches and anxious and the latest Lexapro which also she can 
not stand the side effects. They are making her feel even worse, then better. 
Lexapro has been making her feel nauseas and dizzy which are some of the side 
effects is what I read. I finally got her to think about the natural route and 
I am trying to see if anyone out there can give me some solid holistic 
direction of what see can take to help her feel better to alleviate the 
depression anxiety and the usual hot flashes and everything else that comes 
with menopause, without these side effects..Can anyone direct me.

  Thanks
  Lou 
  from NY 

Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS

[Peter Converse]

Exactly, Neville! 


It's the how and the how much that matters.

Incorrect conclusions can easily be drawn to support either the pro or the con 
side of any topic if the biggest possible picture, based upon the best possible 
infomation which is presently available and understood, is not seen for what it 
is. 

Taking as many surrounding facts into account as possible and logging them for 
future reference helps to develop the big picture experience and that is 
precisely why Lists like this one provide so much wisdom. When a large number 
of people are acting and reporting in a similar way, their collective 
experiences start to add up to something much bigger than a single personal 
effert, due to duplication of results.

When this type of synergistic collective experimenting/reporting is being 
carried out, anecdotal evidence can be very meaningful as each successive 
anecdote helps to confirm another similar one or chip away at some of the 
credibility of a dissimilar one, until the statue, if you will, of evidence 
begins to take on a definite form of its own as it's shaped by a multitude of 
experimenters/artists who are all contributing to the final, or at least, 
fairly recognizable, piece of work/art. 

So, keep the anecdotes coming! They are worth their weight in silver, if not 
gold!

Peter

  - Original Message - 
  From: Neville Munn 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:59 PM
  Subject: RE: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS


  Which is why a million questions need be asked so it can be logged and put up 
against another case which may come to light in the future, then comparisons 
can be made and a more accurate assessment may ensue.  It's more a matter of 
*how much* information will/can be willingly/readily given or extracted from 
the individual and what conclusions, if any, can be drawn based on that 
information.

  Most correlate 'CS' with argyria, but that 'CS' usually constitutes 
*anything* that contains silver, or even the smell of silver?  That alone 
prompts a thousand questions...Fairly difficult to determine with a degree of 
accuracy one way or tuther I would think from information available on the net 
today...Questions, questions, questions...Answers not entirely convincing or 
praps even trustworthy...supposition, inuendo, trickery, and some of course are 
outright lies...doesn't make an assessment any easier for or against!  So, best 
everyone keeps plugging away on their own I spose using themselves as 'case 
studies', guinea pigs, or lab rats...each convincing themselves and/or making 
their own deliberations along the way.
   
  N.
   

--
  Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:04:29 -0800
  From: chube...@yahoo.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS


I'm always reluctant to accept anecdotal evidence at face value. 



--
  Sell your old one fast! Time for a new car? 

CSFw:Klinghardt KPU Protocol For Lyme- off Topic

[Peter Converse]

Hi Rainie and Others,

This might interest you...it came to me a few minutes ago.

Blessings,

Peter 


- Original Message - 

Hi Everybody



Dr. Klinghardt says that there's something that happens in Lyme disease that 
makes us very sick..lyme has this mechanism of stripping the body of zinc, 
manganese, molybdenum and a few other really important minerals.  He says that 
it is THIS that primarily disables the immune system and that this is one of 
the most important things to address in treating lyme patients.  He says if you 
can fix this mechanism - which is easy - you go a long way to setting the 
person back on their feet.  It's called the KPU protocol and you can google for 
it.

 

KPU is something that can be tested for through only ONE lab - called Vitamin 
Diagnostics in the US.  It is a $50 test and anything over the number 15 is 
abnormal.  Lyme patients are usually around 70.

 

J

CSRe: Coconut Oil / Off-Topic

[Peter Converse]

Hi Folks,

I, too, have been a big fan of Tropical Traditions coconut oil. Another one 
I have found to be equally good or at least extremely close in all respects 
is Nutiva brand:


www.nutiva.com

If you can get cheaper shipping on this product for some reason, I would 
recommend it too!


Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: CSCS Good supplement site



Hi Dee,

You could try the indian foods (ingredients) shop. Also haunt the soap
makers suppliers.

OK,
tony

On 23 Jan 2010 at 19:14, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote about :
Subject : Re: CSCS Good supplement site


thanks jim, I like TT for coconut oil too but unfortunately, it is too
expensive to get here in the UK.  I wonder what the postage for
supplements from the co-op would be to here.  iHerb is really reasonable
but not as cheap for the supplements as the co-op although still cheap.
dee

On 23 Jan 2010, at 18:38, Acmeair wrote:

 i've been a member since the co-op was formed, and am very happy with
 their products.  and tropical traditions is very good for very good
 coconut oil. etc.   jim


 Jan 23, 2010 10:21:51 AM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:






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Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

[Peter Converse]

sounds like a very nice home John!

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: John E. Stevens 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:25 AM
  Subject: Re: CSCS  OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS


  Lisa:

  My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power.  My total total electric and gas 
bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY winters.  Basically because I have 
a passive solar heated home with a wood stove back-up which warmly purrs day 
and night from late November until late March.  It costs me about $500.00 a 
year for wood - not pellets - I fear they may rise in price and I can always 
cut and split wood...  I have a furnace back-up, too, but never use it. I used 
to when I had to be out of town for a week or two years ago.   I can't imagine 
my Sauna costs much more than a dollar or two every time I use it - maybe less. 
 I bought my passive solar heated house about 20 years ago - because I feared 
where energy prices may be headed.  I'm also contemplating putting in a wind 
-mill to offset the electrical prices.  I've got the plans for building it - I 
just haven't implemented that yet.  

  My post and beam custom designed home with 12 foot ceilings (I'm somewhat 
claustrophobic...) is insulated extremely well.  36 R in all the walls and 40 R 
in the ceilings.  The DR and LR ceilings are knotty pine with rotating fans for 
air cirulation.  There is a main ozonated air cleaner in the LR and DR and 
individual air cleaners in every other room. I find breathingtclean air to be 
very relevant...  Ha...  Ha...

  There's 150 tons of extremely fine Australian sand in my basement that 
absorbs heat over the summer and through thousands of feet of tubing running 
through the sand. feeds the heat back through floor vents with a fan system in 
the winter - if I choose to use it.  It's a very cozy home with a digital 
office, kitchen, DR, LR, a full wet darkroom, my musical recording studio, 
master BR, a downstairs bathroom and a full bathroom upstairs.  All the floors 
are either hardwood (oak) or ceramic tile (Kitchen, Bathrooms and the 
darkroom).  

  I have a 1000 square foot deck (my summer living room...) where I have a 
large colloidal silver water treated (non-chlorine and non-bromine) hot tub and 
where my Sauna is located.
  My deck is outfitted with all Teak deck furniture which I purchased many, 
many years ago.  It doesn't need to be removed in the winter.  It takes the 
weather super well and just turns a soft, beautiful gray color with the 
weather.  I've had the same canvas table umbrella for at least 15 years.  I 
don't like replacing things.  I'm not a disposable believer.  I like things 
that last.  I still have a 1967 Nikon F that works super well...

  John


  On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote:

Hi John,



What’s it cost to run (depending upon your electric cost per kwh of course).



Thx.



Lisa






From: John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:10 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS  OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS



I have a Sunlight Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F 
(even in the dead of winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body.  
Mine is on my deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too.  It runs off 
120 house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood 
pressure  around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I owned 
the Sauna.  I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour each time. I've 
been using it for a little over three years and I personally recommend it. My 
blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on that.  But as far 
sweating poisons out - you betcha'.

John

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote:

Do FIR sauna help control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who writes 
about saunas benefits. Thanks marty

Re: CS Vit.C iron; info re Rheumatoid Arthritis

[Peter Converse]

Hi Harold, 

I have made a few batches of liposomic CS by following the liposomic Vit C 
directions from Brooks and using CS instead of DW (no Vit C of course). It 
tastes a little like milk with a hint of silver...kinda nice. It seemed to help 
with a virus I was fighting.

regards,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Harold MacDonald 
  To: Silver list 
  Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:09 PM
  Subject: CS Vit.C  iron; info re Rheumatoid Arthritis


  For many years I have used Vitamin C in various forms and the last few years 
as Ascorbic Acid,Sodium Ascorbate and Calcium Ascorbate in large doses.
  Last May I had a complete blood work-up and it showed my iron was normal; and 
at my age it was a relief.
  Any one trying Liposomal CS/EIS ?
  Also any-one successful treating RA?;A very close friend [in early 60s] has 
the start of it.
  TIA.
  Harold 

Re: CSdental caries

[Peter Converse]

Hi MaryAnn,

Can you tell us the ingredients of Coral White toothpaste? I couldn't find them 
on the web page.

Many thanks,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:33 PM
  Subject: Re: CSdental caries


  Coral White -- which you can buy at the HFS, or by going to 
www.coralcalcium.com.
  MA




--
  From: Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 1:10:28 PM
  Subject: RE: CSdental caries

  Could you tell me what type of toothpast you use? I have been using a 
godzilla on an abscess issue in addition to a violet ray, global wellness 
machine, sauna and sole. Also from my dentist, he gave me a remedy that I rub 
on my gums and thymus.

  Elizabeth Williams
  belzi...@hotmail.com



   

--
  Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:49:51 -0800
  From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
  Subject: Re: CSdental caries
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com


  Well -- I can tell you what I did.  At the recommendation of another list 
member here, I bought a Godzilla unit and used it to treat the cavity (which is 
really an infection in the tooth).  That killed the infection.  Then I bought a 
toothpaste designed to remineralize teeth.  I'll be darned if it didn't work!  
However -- mine was a reallly small cavity, and I don't know if that makes a 
difference.
  MA




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  From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny sunwatercl...@yahoo.com
  To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 12:22:14 PM
  Subject: CSdental caries


  Hey, all you magic helpers..here's another query from me...

  I have a cavity and can't go to the dentist.  Is there anything I can do and 
might CS help?  I thought I was helping by spraying store bought cs [which I 
mixed with oil of oregano in the bottle and probably destroyed the silver???] 
into my cavity... 

  much appreciated and think that's all for now...
  smiles
  sunny x
   
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Re: CSdental caries

[Peter Converse]

Hi Folks, 

I've read somewhere that avoiding the use of toothpastes having a high glycerin 
content will lead to allowing the enamel to naturally rebuild once again on the 
teeth. 

Apparently, the glycerin coats the teeth with a film and it takes a 
considerable amount of time for the film to dissolve after discontiniuing the 
use of the toothpaste. I don't remember just how long...let's say 2 or 3 days 
for argument's sake. So, since people are brushing with glycerin-containing 
toothpastes every day, the enamel never gets a chance to rebuild.

Some people have used Dr. Bronner's liquid soaps, which do, by the way, contain 
a small amount of glycerin due to the production process, but do not have any 
added glycerin, which, if of a sufficient enough quantity, would prevent the 
rebuilding process of tooth enamel. 

Apparently, the amount of glycerin is the issue and when a large enough amount 
of glycerin is used on the teeth daily the prevention of enamel rebuilding is 
very likely.

Other people have used other soaps containing as little glycerin as they could 
find and have reported good results as well.

I am now trying the Dr. Bronners liquid soaps while brushing but must admit 
that they do taste fairly awful and do not clean the teeth very well. They can 
also make you foam at the mouth like a rabid dog if you use too much. (some 
might like that effect)

I think I might've read about all this on Curezone a couple of years ago or so.

regards,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:35 PM
  Subject: Re: CSdental caries


  I used a toothpaste designed for just that -- and just sent the name and 
source to the list.  Well -- apparently, it can.  (shrug)
  MA




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  From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 1:24:37 PM
  Subject: RE: CSdental caries


  Can you share what you used for remineralization? Is this similar to building 
up the teeth (I thought enamel couldn’t be restored).



  Lisa

Re: CSdental caries

[Peter Converse]

Hi MaryAnn,

Thanks...promise to never ask again...scouts honor!

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CSdental caries


  Okey-dokey -- here you go:

  Calcium Carbonate
  Stevia Leaf Extract
  Xylitol
  Hydrogen Peroxide
  Golden Seal Extract
  Gingko Biloba
  Ginseng Extract
  Echinacea Extract
  Spearmint Leaf Oil
  Sorbitol
  Purified Water
  Hydrated Silica
  Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate
  Sodium Magnesium Silicate
  Cellulose Gum

  Don't ever ask me to do that again -- the print on the tube is so small that 
my eyeballs are now resting somewhere on my cheekbones!!!  lol
  MA




--
  From: Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca
  To: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net; silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:34:33 PM
  Subject: Re: CSdental caries


  Hi MaryAnn,

  Can you tell us the ingredients of Coral White toothpaste? I couldn't find 
them on the web page.

  Many thanks,

  Peter
- Original Message - 
From: MaryAnn Helland 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: CSdental caries


Coral White -- which you can buy at the HFS, or by going to 
www.coralcalcium.com.
MA





From: Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 1:10:28 PM
Subject: RE: CSdental caries

Could you tell me what type of toothpast you use? I have been using a 
godzilla on an abscess issue in addition to a violet ray, global wellness 
machine, sauna and sole. Also from my dentist, he gave me a remedy that I rub 
on my gums and thymus.

Elizabeth Williams
belzi...@hotmail.com



 


Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:49:51 -0800
From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: CSdental caries
To: silver-list@eskimo.com


Well -- I can tell you what I did.  At the recommendation of another list 
member here, I bought a Godzilla unit and used it to treat the cavity (which is 
really an infection in the tooth).  That killed the infection.  Then I bought a 
toothpaste designed to remineralize teeth.  I'll be darned if it didn't work!  
However -- mine was a reallly small cavity, and I don't know if that makes a 
difference.
MA





From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny sunwatercl...@yahoo.com
To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 12:22:14 PM
Subject: CSdental caries


Hey, all you magic helpers..here's another query from me...

I have a cavity and can't go to the dentist.  Is there anything I can do 
and might CS help?  I thought I was helping by spraying store bought cs [which 
I mixed with oil of oregano in the bottle and probably destroyed the silver???] 
into my cavity... 

much appreciated and think that's all for now...
smiles
sunny x
 
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Re: CSauto immune hepatitis

[Peter Converse]

Hi Cindy,

Try looking into Dr. Berkson's work on liver restoration and Hep-C.

hope this helps,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cindy 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:37 AM
  Subject: CSauto immune hepatitis


  Hi group, I rarely post but read from this group all the time.  I'm not sure 
if this question is off topic, so if it is I apologize.  My sister has recently 
been told she has a fatty liver and upon further blood test showed her liver 
test (alt) was 3 times what it should be and more blood work states she has 
auto immune hepatitis.  She is NOT a drinking or drug user. She is having a 
biopsy done on Thursday.Now myself and my other sister have been told we 
also have a fatty liver but our blood test are normal.  Does anyone here have 
any input as to what may help a fatty liver?  All 3 of us are close to 50 and 
sure we could drop some weight, my Dr. told me not to worry.  Non of us over 
abuse Tylenol or Motrin but we are on a natural hormone  Bio identical.

  Thanks
  Cindy

Re: CSone for brooks

[Peter Converse]

Hey Doug,

I share your interest in this matter. Thanks for your input! Beating biofilms 
is a topic of great importance, in my humble layperson's opinion.

I did make a few batches of Lypo-CS in a 25 ppm concentration to fight a virus 
a few months ago and it helped quite a bit (taken orally). I'm not sure if what 
I did is something I would want to repeat though and would love some more 
guidance as well. It certainly didn't seem to hurt me in any way and only 
seemed to help.

The nebulizing idea is not something I've considered. Would inhaling lecithin 
liposomes be safe? If Brooks could guide us here that would be awesome!

Great research!

regards,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: polo 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:47 AM
  Subject: CSone for brooks


  Hopefully Brooks will have time to consider and comment on this.

  I have long been interested in protocols that will efficiently attack 
biofilm infections. It seems that inhaled (nebulized) liposomal medications are 
very effective in penetrating very difficult to treat lung biofilms. Some 
recent studies have suggested that liposomal antibiotics are superb treatments. 
Here is one:

  http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/61/4/859

  
  The above study used a compressor type of nebulizer (nebulizer PARI LC 
Star).   Anyway, I would like to try liposomal colloidal silver in a nebulizer 
for biofilm lung infections, particularly in racehorses. Normally we use 
ultrasonic nebulizers as opposed to the older compressor type nebulizers as was 
used in the above study. Ultrasound nebulizers vaporize the medication into 
super small droplets that can be pushed into the lung via an air jet. The older 
compressor type uses a small air compressor to vaporize the inhaled medication 
producing larger medication particles to be breathed in. Naturally, the 
ultrasound nebulizer technology produces small droplet size which is more 
conducive to lung inhalation efficacy. 

  What I would like to know, do you see any problems with producing 
colloidal silver liposomes using your home made protocol and (2) would an 
ultrasonic nebulizer be detrimental to the liposomal structure? Would an older 
compressor type nebulizer as used in the study be better in putting liposomes 
into solution for inhalation purposes or would the newer utrasonic nebulizers 
not over-whelming affect liposomal structure upon vaporzation or might it even 
be beneficial?

  As a side note, I want to add that heavy metals seem particularly 
effective against biofilms of which I would venture a guess that colloidal 
silver would be a superb medication, if one could only get it to be absorbed by 
the biofilm. Liposomal technology may be the key!

  doug

Fw: CSRE: Selenium?

[Peter Converse]

Hi Neville,

I'm not sure about photography-related selenium but I have read in the Immune 
Restoration Handbook that organically bound selenium, such as that found in 
brazil nuts, at approximately 100 mcg./nut is more easily assimilated and 
nontoxic, even in relatively in high doses, compared to some other forms of the 
supplement. The same applies to the selenium found in high-selenium yeast 
supplements as well as in high-selenium mustard greens. For more details you 
could check the book:

http://www.keephopealive.org/khaads.html

I hope this helps,

Peter

Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[Peter Converse]

Hi Steve,

I don't remember the answer to your question but I do remember the book in 
which I believe I read a good criticism of this particular study, possibly, 
and other similar studies which, according to the book's authors, Drs. Steve 
Hickey and Hilary Roberts, have critical flaws in their design or 
interpretation.


The book is named Ascorbate, The Science of Vitamin C. Also worth the 
read, on the same subject, is Curing the Incurable...Vitamin C, Infectious 
Diseases and Toxins, written by Thomas E. Levy. MD, JD.


Reading one or both of these books, should set your mind at ease on this 
matter and clarify things considerably.


Sorry I couldn't clear it up on the spot but you'll probably enjoy these 
books regardless and get a lot out of them.


I hope this helps,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 6:07 PM
Subject: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries


I sent this once but received back an error message. Trying again.



I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C  may cause
hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin
C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I don't take
very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned.
Anyone have better data?
Thanks,
- Steve N

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http://altmedangel.com/arteries.htm


Ascorbic Acid Causes Hardening of the Arteries?
It seems hardly likely that taking high doses of vitamin C (ascorbic
acid) can cause thickening or hardening of the arteries since so many
people have taken high doses for a long time. Yet researchers from the
University of California reported just that on March 2, 2000. People who
took 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a 2.5 times faster progression of
thickening of the carotid artery (hardening of the arteries) than people
who took no supplement.
This study was not a clinical study where subjects are divided into
those taking ascorbic acid and those taking a placebo. This was an
epidemiological study which means patient records were examined and this
finding popped up. There might well have been other confounding factors
that would explain the artery-thickening finding.
Nonetheless, the researchers were surprised at the finding. And it
seemed that the higher the dose of ascorbic acid, the worse the artery
damage (the more they took, the faster the buildup). In fact, smokers
taking 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a rate of artery thickening five
times greater than nonsmokers not taking the supplement. And while no
one is sure what this all means, the researchers did come up with some
common sense ideas about fractionated supplementation.
The director of the study astutely observed that when you extract one
component of food and give it at very high levels, you just don't know
what you are doing to the system, and it may be adverse. Other
researchers were quick to add that the research shows the uncertainties
of picking out a single vitamin among the plethora of nutrients in a
healthy diet. They added that it is a challenge to pick out nutrients
that may make people live longer because if we are wrong, we can do
harm

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http://www.medical-library.net/vitamin_c_and_vascular_disease.html


Animals In The Wild Do Not Get Heart Attacks

The process of atherosclerosis is limited to humans. Animals in the wild
do not develop atherosclerosis, therefore no heart attacks and no
strokes occur among these citizens of nature. To induce an animal to
have atherosclerosis you have to put it in captivity and feed it the
kind of diet which humans use to cause the problem. The guinea pig and
fruit bat make good models, if this is what you want to do. The gorilla
would make a good model, but who wants fifty gorillas lined up in a
laboratory?

Animals in the wild do not get heart attacks because they make their own
ascorbate, and therefore the process of atherosclerosis does not begin.
We humans could take the hint, load up on vitamin C and a few other
vitamins twice each day for life and eradicate heart disease. This is
already happening in the U.S. where ascorbate consumption has
skyrocketed over the past 25 years, and heart disease has dropped by one
third. The war against smoking may also have something to do with this,
yet in countries where smoking has declined in the absence of increased
ascorbate consumption, there has been no equivalent change in heart
disease rates.


All The Known Actions of Ascorbate
1. Increases HDL (high density lipoprotein) production. (HDL is able to
help resorb fat located in plaque. In the process it changes from a disc
shape to a globular form of HDL, and takes this fat to the liver to be
burned.)
2. Decreases the production of lipoprotein(a). (Somehow the liver knows
when there is plenty of ascorbate

CSCS recommendations for Lyme Disease - Part 1

[Peter Converse]

Hi Rainie,

Welcome to the list!

Here's part one of my answer to you regarding Lyme disease, originally too long 
to make it onto the list:

We can't give medical advice here so I'll try to answer with my layperson's 
understanding of what I believe may help you, without getting myself into any 
hot water. Please remember that only your doctor should be consulted for 
medical advice. What follows is information which I have seen reported by 
others and is not intended to be advice in any way.

Although properly made CS, also called EIS (electrolytically isolated silver), 
is believed by some to be be very helpful with Lyme disease it is not usually 
considered to be a monotherapy. Some also believe that CS may help eradicate 
the co-infections which can frequently accompany Lyme, such as Bartonella, 
Babesia, Erlichia and others.

Some medical doctors are of the opinion that the Lyme disease bacteria, 
Borrelia burgdorferi, can find it's way into places such as bone, cartilage and 
the CNS, including the brain, if it is not diagnosed and treated quite quickly 
with appropriate antibiotics. This is one of the reasons why Lyme is believed 
to be so difficult to eradicate by those having that opinion. Those same 
doctors might be of the opinion that if Lyme is not discovered and eradicated 
quickly enough the patient could end up suffering with chronic Lyme disease 
requiring ongoing antibiotic treatment.

Other docs believe that a few weeks of antibiotics will successfully eradicate 
all of a patient's Borrelia burgdorferi and that anyone complaining of symptoms 
after their ABX treatment period has been completed is no longer actually 
suffering from the disease but is experiencing a post Lyme syndrome or 
something to that effect. They believe that chronic Lyme disease does not exist 
at all, ever.

You will find these two basic opinions when you search the web for Lyme disease 
information and the more you search the more you will see the suggested reasons 
why these opinions exist in the minds of those having them. The debate 
continues and can be a heated one. If I may suggest, be as analytical as you 
can be regarding the chronic Lyme disease issue and seek lots of advice from 
others who have been down this road before you. Try to avoid proceeding without 
considerable forethought and possibly enduring much unnecessary suffering as a 
result.

Some people believe that CS might be able to cure Lyme disease if the disease 
has not yet progressed into the difficult to reach areas of the body but once 
it has, that the silver, like any other substance used to kill Lyme, will not 
be able to make contact with the deeply entrenched bacteria to have its effect. 
Some people do keep trying, however, and believe that using CS alone, or in 
combination with other things, ranges from somewhat helpful to considerably 
helpful in reducing their symtoms. How you take it can also matter more than 
how much you take.

Long term consumption of CS, at some point, may begin to cause a discoloration 
of the body tissues eventually, reportedly manifesting in the finger nail 
half-moons initially, which can serve as a warning sign that silver is 
accumulating in the body. I have heard that some Lyme disease sufferers have 
been making questionable CS which, in some cases, may not actually be CS, by 
proper definition, and are, as a result, suffering from the harmfless but 
unsightly condition called argyria. Hence, the importance of making properly 
made CS and not overconsuming it even if it is properly made. 

The fact that silver is a transtional metal sharing detox pathways needed by 
heavy metals for their elimination might also suggest that moderation of 
consumption is warranted. Some people suggest that those having heavy metal 
toxicity histories, in fact, should not knowingly ingest any additional metals, 
such as colloidal silver, to avoid overburdening their possibly already 
comprimised detox pathways. You, of course, need to make your decsions based on 
the best possible information as guided by your doctor(s).

Do you have a good LLMD (Lyme literate medical doctor) who can guide you in 
your recovery? Having an understanding Lyme doc is really important and can 
make a huge difference in how well you progress. (my layperson's opinion...not 
shared by some)

More coming in part 2.

Peter

CSCS recommendations for Lyme Disease - Part 2

[Peter Converse]

Hi Rainee,

Here's part 2 of my answer to you re: Lyme disease:


There are several Lyme chat forums available on the internet devoted solely to 
the topic of Lyme disease where you can find suggestions and protocols having 
mainstream or alternative viewpoints. Doing a little research will open up to 
you many possible options to investigate.

Here are some of the Lyme alternative ideas I have seen. Some people claim 
getting relief using a Salt and vitamin C protocol. Some other ideas include: 
Rife machines, high powered magnetic pulsers, the DP-100 random frequency 
device, blood electrification devices, light therapy, sound therapy, herbal 
protocols, ozone saunas, immune response training, and MMS.

One thing which is important to remember with all bacterial infections, from a 
layperson's point of view, is that they multiply in the presence of sugar in 
all its forms. Modifying the diet to exclude unnecessary sugar and starches is 
one of the key strategies people report to be helpful on the alternative Lyme 
forums. 

Also believed to be extremely important is taking measures to improve the 
immune response through careful nutrient-dense dieting and the avoidance of 
empty calories. There are supplements many people take to try to boost their 
immune systems, such as transfer factors, beta glucan, mushroom extracts, 
vitamins/minerals, and L-glutathione or its precursors, to name a few. 
Moderate, graduated exercise is also reported to help, in addition to prayer, 
stress reduction techniques, supporting endocrine and hormonal systems and 
other bodily functions such as lymph circluation. Recovery is reported to be 
multi-faceted with many considerations to cover. A silver bullet approach for 
Lyme and many other disease states may result in total failure or only 
temporary improvement while improving the health of the whole human organism is 
a more holistic approach believed to be superior and is shared my many.

Many people claim that detoxifying the body is important for maintaining good 
health and that detoxifying while killing Lyme bacteria is especially 
important. The chat forums and books available on Lyme can offer many 
suggestions for this.

Here is a place to begin gathering alternative Lyme disease information if you 
are inclined:

http://www.lymebook.com/

To answer your questions, many people here make their own CS believing it to be 
superior to the more costly alternatives.

Dosage and duration of CS consumption is a personal choice, if you won't be 
following a doctor's advice (most docs I know and have heard of won't openly 
advise you to take CS, as medical regulations prevent that.) Some people take 
CS only when they are feeling something coming on, some take a mouthful or so 
per day as a preventative, while some, I have heard, while battling Lyme, drink 
copious amounts throughout the day, such as a up to a quart. That is not to say 
you should do likewise.

The FDA has its own guidelines for silver comsumption which you could use as a 
guide. In addition, only a doctor can legally make dosage recommendations for 
medications but since CS is only a type of mineral water, which comes with its 
own set of caveats and potential benefits, I don't think anyone here would be 
willing to offer you dosage advice.

The people here are extremely helpful in guiding list members mainly in the 
how-to of making properly made CS (EIS) and can answer just about any 
question in that regard. Other health related topics are also brought up here 
and I find them to be very valuable too! There is a collective wealth of 
knowlege available here, from people with many backgrounds. I hope you enjoy 
what the list has to offer as wellhang around for a while...you'll find a 
lot here if you can spare the time.


I hope this has been of some help to you,

best regards,

Peter

Re: CScapillaries in eyes breaking

[Peter Converse]

Hi Dianne,

One possible cause for this I have heard of is that this, in some cases, is a 
manifestation of Lyme disease.

There are probably a few other reasons for this happening that others can chime 
in with.

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:44 AM
  Subject: CScapillaries in eyes breaking


  Dear Group,
   
  One of our good friends is having problems with her capillaries in her eyes 
breaking causing the eye to turn red in that area.  She is a slim, fit mid 50's 
with a good diet and doesn't have high blood pressure.  She does have some 
thyroid problems but to my knowledge that is her only health issue.  She is 
going in for blood testing but is really worried about this so I thought I 
would broach the group and ask if anyone had any answers.  I don't remember 
reading about this anywhere.
   
  Dianne


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CSThank You To Marshall!

[Peter Converse]

Hi Marshall,

One of the many reasons I enjoy being on this list is that we can debate 
things respectfully and factually, and you, Marshall, seem to have the 
capacity to do this so well, setting an example for others. Being able to 
see the BIG picture is evidently a quality you possess and have refined.


Thanks so much for the facts you provide to this group and the way in which 
you provide them! For all the times in the past I have not thanked you for 
your contributions and for all the times I will not thank you in the future 
either, in my attempts to avoid short posts of expressions of appreciation, 
please remember that I am, indeed, very thankful for your analytical mind 
and for all you add to this Silver List.


sincerely,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:30 AM
Subject: CSAluminum in your diet



http://www.hints-n-tips.com/aluminum.htm

The following additives contain aluminium compounds: E173, E520, E521, 
E523 E541, E545, E554, E555 E556, E559.  Antacids quite often contain 
aluminum trisilicate as does buffered aspirin. Foods containing aluminium 
based additives include dry cake mixes, pastries and croissants made from 
frozen dough, processed cheeses, some donuts and waffles, check muffins 
for E541 (sodium aluminum phosphate), and food coloring.  The list of 
substances containing aluminium salts is quite depressing, it even 
includes  *toothpaste*!, especially tooth whitening products.


The use of aluminum in drinking water is starting to be looked at in 
Canada and Australia, most utilities in Europe and the United States do 
exceed the recommended level of 100 microgrammes per litre, some by as 
much as *sixty times!*   Another obvious and easily avoided source is 
aluminum cooking pots and pans, this can be quite easily remedied by using 
enamelled, stainless steel and cast iron pots. Cooking in earthenware and 
glass containers is another option. There is no need to throw out all of 
your aluminium pots, it is OK to fry food in aluminium pans and intact 
Teflon, non-stick coatings will effectively prevent any contamination.


http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html

   * Virtually all food, water, air, and soil contain some aluminum.
   * The average adult in the U.S. eats about 7-9 mg aluminum per day
 in their food.
   * Breathing higher levels of aluminum dust in workplace air.
   * Living in areas where the air is dusty, where aluminum is mined or
 processed into aluminum metal, near certain hazardous waste sites,
 or where aluminum is naturally high.
   * Eating substances containing high levels of aluminum (such as
 antacids) especially when eating or drinking citrus products at
 the same time.
   * Children and adults may be exposed to small amounts of aluminum
 from vaccinations.
   * Very little enters your body from aluminum cooking utensils.

http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/pdf/Heavy_Metal_Posion_Hair_Analysis-4.pdf

This site has some good information on it and lists foods that contain 
significant aluminum. Rice, wheat, beef, chicken, pork, radishes and 
potatoes all contain significant amounts of aluminum, and carrot leaf 
contains large amounts. Unfortunately I am unable to copy from the page. 
Apparently if you want an aluminum free diet about all you can consume is 
distilled water, and pure chemicals such as salt, cream of tarter, citric 
acid and sodium bicarbonate.


Marshall


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CSRe: Mercury, Vaccinations, Immune Detox Question...

[Peter Converse]

Hi Hanneke,

Thanks for sharing your history and your insights!

My life has been dramatically altered due to severe mercury poisoning as 
well. In my case, I was told by a practicioner back in 93' that I was on my 
way to developing MS due to the high levels of heavy metals in my body, most 
importantly, mercury.


I am very thankful that the direction of my life was altered from that 
course through the events and modalities which followed over the last 
seventeen years, including replacing amalgam tooth fillings with 
alternatives, orthomolecular therapy, herbal approaches, dietary changes, 
colonics, fasting, chelation - administered orally, by suppository, and by 
IV, and lots of FIR sauna usage. There were some other things which helped 
but these, as well as I remember, were responsible for most of my recovery 
over the years. I also received two miracles, which I would be happy to 
discuss one to one, if anyone is interested.


During the nineties my immune system had become so ravaged by documented 
extraodinarily high amounts of mercury that I developed severe food 
sensitivites, Candidiasis, lost close to fifty pounds (which I needed) and 
suffered from seasonal affective disorder, body tremours, emotional 
instability, general anxiety disorder, IBS, CFS, memory problems, cognitive 
deficits, tinnitus, depression, continual opportunistic infections, 
endocrine and hormonal disruptions and a host of other complaints. To add 
insult to injury, Lyme disease was added to the diagnosis, confirmed through 
a reputable lab.


As the years have progressed and the efforts to eliminate heavy metals and 
other toxins have continued along with  continued efforts to mop up all the 
unpleasant ancillary effects and pathogens as well as measures to support 
areas of weakness, nearly all of the issues I suffered from have either 
completely resolved or come close to becoming completely resolved, with the 
exceptions of a weakened ability to detoxify and a weakened immune response, 
which both seem to persist and require continual (and expensive) support.


I, as a younger and a less-informed man did not avoid vaccinations like the 
plague, as I now do, although I don't blame them or the amalgam fillings (as 
much as I hate mercury and vaccinations) as the sole sources of my past and 
present troubles. Ode has eloquently pointed out the folly of that kind of 
thinking and the reasons for it. (This is not meant as a criticism to you, 
Hanneke...please read on).


I have also come to the conclusion, through looking at the lives of my 
predecessors and my extended family, although I have no conclusive proof, 
that my genetics include a predispostion toward an inability to effectively 
eliminate heavy metals and other toxins, possibly due to methylation 
problems and phase 2 detoxification insufficiencies. These inadaquacies and 
other similar ones related to my makeup may be actually more responsible for 
my challenges than the toxins themselves. They may also be responsible for 
my son's Asperger's Syndrome (high functioning form of autism).


This is my background and present understanding...sorry for its length. 
Really, what I wanted to do was thank you for your great post, share a 
little myself, and seeing some similarities between your experiences and 
mine, ask you (and others) what measures you find to be most helpful in 
supporting your immune system(s) and detox abilities.


Thanks in advance,
Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: CS..How many watched the video and passed on..these videos are 
about Autism



I can't seem to find my longer email from a few years ago in which I 
explained about my diagnosis of MS in 1978/1979, a diagnosis I refused to 
accept as being for real. In spite of all the tests done, and consultations 
with specialists/neurologists, I just could not for whatever reason accept 
that it was MS.  I was told I was in denial.
Possible,  of course,  but it did not stop me from starting my own 
research. I read and read, for close to 9 years. My health was 
deteriorating whilst continuing my search. In 1988, I somehow got stuck on 
notions of mercury poisoning, and possibly causing symptoms similar to MS. 
Without much, rather none,  support from doctors, I went ahead and  had 
all my mercury/amalgam fillings removed. A big  exercise as such but well 
worth it.


My health started to improve, my symptoms disappeared, some slow, some 
faster. The biggest almost immediate improvement was my eye sight. Having 
been blind in one eye for a while, my eyesight had returned bar colour. 
In the first week after the removal of mercury started,  the colour in 
eyesight returned.  This was in 1988.
I was without any MS mimicking symptoms for at least 12 years with good 
health. The only issue I see as a permanent result of the mercury 
poisoning, is an impaired/compromised

Re: CSTo Peter Converse

[Peter Converse]

Hi Dick,

Thanks for going the extra mile on my behalf...not sure why your email was 
rejected. I appreciate your clarification very much!

Merry Christmas,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dick Rochon 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:47 PM
  Subject: CSTo Peter Converse


  Hi, Peter.

  I tried replying directly to your email, but it was rejected.

  I took a small amount of water and dissolved the soda in it until no more 
would dissolve (supersaturated), let it settle and poured off the clear liquid. 
Then I mixed it with an equal amount of DMSO. Soda precipitated again in the 
container, so I just used the clear liquid. I applied this twice a day with an 
eye dropper and patted it in with my finger, so it didn't drip or run down my 
face. As time went on I noticed the mole returning to its original brown color, 
and after about a month it was gone.

  Actually, I did it for about two weeks and stopped. It started to change to 
black again, so I began the treatment again and this time I continued for 
another month until it disappeared.

  As I said, I did not have it diagnosed as cancer, so I can't say for sure 
that it was. And I never had a diagnosed skin cancer, or even saw one, but from 
what I have heard this mole was not good. It was an irregular shape and it 
started changing color, and even bled once when I accidently scratched it. So, 
I believe it was.

  Regards,

  Dick

Re: CSmoles

[Peter Converse]

Hi Steve,

How often do you apply the DMSO/H202 solution and do you keep the warts covered 
with bandaids or anything else after application?

Thanks,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:20 AM
  Subject: Re: CSmoles


I've only been taking CS for a short time... about 2-3 weeks.  I've had 
a number of age spots on the backs of my hands for years but now they seem to 
be fading to me, although I suppose it could be my imagination at work here.

Years ago in my early 30's these same spots were present, but not 
discolored.  Instead they were tiny patches of skin that seemed to have a 
different texture than the 'normal' skin and seemed to be tiny spots where the 
skin was thinned.  I always figured that one day they would turn into age 
spots.  Back then, they were virtually invisible and I could have easily 
overlooked these areas.  

Maybe I should try baking soda, water, and DMSO and see what happens?

a 50/50 mix of DMSO and hydrogen peroxide is working wonders on my 
wife's warts that she's had forever as well as a fungal infection on her arm.   
 

Cheers,

Steve 

 On Sun, 12/20/09, Rowena new...@internode.on.net wrote:


  From: Rowena new...@internode.on.net
  Subject: Re: CSmoles
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 10:07 AM


  Amazing!  Thanks.  I had actually wondered about this mix, so will 
certainly mix some up.
  How often did you apply it?
  Rowena

  Dick Rochon wrote:
   Rowena,
I had a brown, odd shaped mole for years, maybe all my life, on my 
temple. It started turning black on one side, and it bled once. They say that's 
not good. I dissolved baking soda in a tsp of water and added a tsp of dmso to 
it. I applied it to the mole and after a couple weeks it turned brown again, 
and in another couple weeks I couldn't even see where the mole had been.
Don't know if it was cancer, but its gone now, so it doesn't 
matter.
Give it a try.
Dick


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Re: CSmoles

[Peter Converse]

Hi Dick,

How many applications did your mixture take to remove the mole?

Did you do anything else such as cover the mole after application with anything 
such as a bandaid or tape etc. to help it remain moist?

Did you premix your solution freshly each time?

many thanks,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dick Rochon 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 2:51 AM
  Subject: CSmoles


  Rowena,

  I had a brown, odd shaped mole for years, maybe all my life, on my temple. It 
started turning black on one side, and it bled once. They say that's not good. 
I dissolved baking soda in a tsp of water and added a tsp of dmso to it. I 
applied it to the mole and after a couple weeks it turned brown again, and in 
another couple weeks I couldn't even see where the mole had been.

  Don't know if it was cancer, but its gone now, so it doesn't matter.

  Give it a try. 

  Dick

Re: CSSpinal Arthritis

[Peter Converse]

Hi Steve,

Dr. Garth Nicolson believes that a link exists between Mycoplasma fermentans 
and several chronic conditions, including arthritic ones. Here's one link which 
might help you out a little:

http://www.jemsekspecialty.com/shownews.php?id=16

You can find out much more about Garth Nicolson's work with further web 
searches.

There is also a man named Gary Norman Blier who offers something which was 
formerly called Immune response Training. It's now called Advanced Cell 
Training. 

http://www.advancedcelltraining.com/

He once suffered from terribly deblititating spinal arthritis (ankylosing 
spondilitis) himself and received little positive help from allopathic docs so 
he commenced upon a long journey of visiting a few practicioners collectively 
using various forms of alternative therapy.

Eventually, he completely recovered and, based on what he learned along the 
way, began to offer his services to others having similar health problems as 
well as those with Lyme disease and allergies, parasites etc...

His techniques have been reported to help some people considerably and others 
less so. He has also been persecuted for his work as a health coach so you'll 
find both raving reviews and condemnations of him, depending upon where you 
look.

This might be a place to, at least, investigate. I personally used his services 
for Lyme disease and co-infections. I can't claim a total healing in my case 
but will say that I definitely benefitted from the sessions to some extent and 
have spoken to others who got better results than my own, which were fair.

I hope this helps out somewhat,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: SJY 
  To: Silver List 
  Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:05 PM
  Subject: CSSpinal Arthritis


  My wife has been diagnosed with arthritis of the spine, as confirmed by MRI.  
This causes her severe pain, compounded by the effects of fibromyalgia.

   

  Question for list:  CMO helps with arthritis of joints, and the spine is a 
series of connected joints.  Does anyone know if CMO, or any other similar 
medication, can help with spinal arthritis?  

   

  Thanks,

   

  Steve Y.

Re: CSOT Mental Clarity

[Peter Converse]

Hi Jeff,

I found that liposomic vitamin C does wonders to improve mental clarity. 
Exercise, such as rebounding on a mini-trampoline works well for me as well. 
Walking outdoors briskly also works well.

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Maahs 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 4:32 PM
  Subject: CSOT Mental Clarity



  I was wondering if anyone had something that's worked for them in helping 
with mental clarity. Increasing it actually.

  Jeff

Re: CSConcentrated silver?

[Peter Converse]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for clearing things up. This is definitely something to look more 
closely at! If your suspicions are true, the possibilities are wide open!

best regards,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave Darrin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:09 PM
  Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?


  That was the idea and the fact that it turned back to clear with the 
distilled water replaced, makes me think the particles hadn't agglomerated into 
larger a size.
  Dave




  On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca wrote:

thanks Steve...that would make more sense, come to think of it. I must be 
reading too much and getting almost cross-eyed in doing so

would this process boost the ppm concentration while keeping particle size 
down, do you think?

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:25 PM
  Subject: RE: CSConcentrated silver?


  I assumed he was refilling it with EIS.

  -   Steve



  From: Peter Converse [mailto:pconve...@primus.ca] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:15 PM
  To: Dave Darrin; silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?



  Hi Dave,





  What is the purpose of refilling with distilled water and repeating the 
process after the initial steaming off of about half the water?





  Wouldn't it become more concentrated by lengthening the initial steaming 
off period without the addition of more water and repeating the process? 





  Wouldn't doing this be redundant?





  I may be missing something herecould you explain?





  Are your ppm (TDS) readings higher after completion in your concentrate 
than they were in the CS you began with?





  many thanks,



  Peter





- Original Message - 

From: Dave Darrin 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:14 PM

Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?



I sent this message,I thought to the silver list, but it only went to 
Scott Adams.

I have gmail and it does that every now and then.
My parent email is comcast and they block the silver list most of the 
time--but not all so I guess I'll have to use more diligence to see where my 
messages are going. Here it is again:




From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:53 PM
To: msad...@msadams.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?

I have concentrated EIS by putting it in a coffee carafe and putting it 
on the coffee maker hot plate.
When it steams off about half of the water I refill it and repeat until 
the solution turns a dark gold to brown appearance. 
At that point if you add the same amount of distilled water as you 
reduced the solution will turn back to clear. So I would think you could reduce 
even farther and reconstitute it with distilled water from any concentration if 
you keep in mind the amount you removed.

The buzz word in this is distilled as I wouldn't recommend using tap 
water but it might not make a difference.
An interesting phenomenon here is that the color doesn't seem to 
indicate larger particle size as adding the original amount of distilled water 
returns it to clear.

Dave

Re: CSConcentrated silver?

[Peter Converse]

Hi Steve,

Thanks.

I hope your assumption is valid. I tend to agree with it on a gut feeling 
basis and hope you're right about this.


I too, would love to hear some other opinions on this!

best regards,
Peter


- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: CSConcentrated silver?


In short, yes.
Did you read Marshall's theory on how making concentrated EIS at high 
temperature might work? I think that this is the same concept except that 
you make the EIS before concentration. That plus the statement by Dave that 
when you dilute it back to a normal EIS ppm you get a clear solution makes 
me believe that it does work and provides a low particle size after 
dilution. My guess is that even if you were to use it at the higher 
concentration where there is still color to the solution, further dilution 
in the stomach would still effectively provide the smaller particle size.

Although I would like to hear other opinions on this.
- Steve N

From: Peter Converse [mailto:pconve...@primus.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:45 PM
To: Norton, Steve; silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?

thanks Steve...that would make more sense, come to think of it. I must be 
reading too much and getting almost cross-eyed in doing so


would this process boost the ppm concentration while keeping particle size 
down, do you think?


Peter
- Original Message - 
From: Norton, Steve

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: CSConcentrated silver?

I assumed he was refilling it with EIS.
- Steve

From: Peter Converse [mailto:pconve...@primus.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:15 PM
To: Dave Darrin; silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?

Hi Dave,


What is the purpose of refilling with distilled water and repeating the 
process after the initial steaming off of about half the water?



Wouldn't it become more concentrated by lengthening the initial steaming off 
period without the addition of more water and repeating the process?



Wouldn't doing this be redundant?


I may be missing something herecould you explain?


Are your ppm (TDS) readings higher after completion in your concentrate than 
they were in the CS you began with?



many thanks,

Peter


- Original Message - 
From: Dave Darrin

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?

I sent this message,I thought to the silver list, but it only went to Scott 
Adams.


I have gmail and it does that every now and then.
My parent email is comcast and they block the silver list most of the 
time--but not all so I guess I'll have to use more diligence to see where my 
messages are going. Here it is again:


From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:53 PM
To: msad...@msadams.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?
I have concentrated EIS by putting it in a coffee carafe and putting it on 
the coffee maker hot plate.
When it steams off about half of the water I refill it and repeat until the 
solution turns a dark gold to brown appearance.
At that point if you add the same amount of distilled water as you reduced 
the solution will turn back to clear. So I would think you could reduce even 
farther and reconstitute it with distilled water from any concentration if 
you keep in mind the amount you removed.


The buzz word in this is distilled as I wouldn't recommend using tap water 
but it might not make a difference.
An interesting phenomenon here is that the color doesn't seem to indicate 
larger particle size as adding the original amount of distilled water 
returns it to clear.


Dave


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Re: CSMagnets Migraines and Madness

[Peter Converse]

Hi Steve,

The post below was submitted by Brooks Bradley on October 12th. It may be of 
help to your wife.

blessings,

Peter


Highly soluble forms of silica hydride have, indeed, demonstrated to be of 
measurable effect in addressing migraine insults. One caution: There are 
multiple sources for products claiming to be as effective (or even moreso) than 
the original product developed by Dr. Patrick Flanagan (Microhydrin, original 
name). He executed a sales agreement with a large supplement distributor in 
Dallas, Texas (foolishly, in my opinion), giving them almost exclusive 
distribution rightswhich cost him enormous amounts of money, as Microhydrin 
proved to be a huge successeven in the international market. 
Dr. Flanagan salvaged a considerable portion of the domestic market by 
organizing a distribution company of his own and offering the product under the 
the present name of Mega H. It is the same product as Microhydrin, but is 
somewhat cheaper in price. 
This form of silica hydride has a very high Oxygen Reduction Potential 
(ORP)over 820, in fact. 
My wife has used this substance, continually, to great positive effectover 
the immediately past 8 years. She has been a lifetime sufferer of migraine 
attacks. This substance has aided her IMMENSELY (others may not enjoy such 
outstanding results). 
Additionally, her energy levels are greatly elevatedthrough use of this 
substance. It is our opinion that the 
improved cardiovascular response is the primary force behind this improvement. 
Interestingly, whenever she runs out, or fails to take it 
regularly/continually, within 5 to 7 days she presents with a return of 
her more objectionable systemic symptoms. 
I am not a close acquaintance of Dr. Flanagan and do not shill for him...or any 
other product manufacturerbut we have not been able to locate another 
supplier whose product has nearly as high an ORP as does his. 
However, whenever we do come across a product that yields outstanding results, 
we usually try to pass the information on to our professional colleagues and 
friends. 
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

Re: CSConcentrated silver?

[Peter Converse]

Hi Dave,


What is the purpose of refilling with distilled water and repeating the process 
after the initial steaming off of about half the water?


Wouldn't it become more concentrated by lengthening the initial steaming off 
period without the addition of more water and repeating the process? 


Wouldn't doing this be redundant?


I may be missing something herecould you explain?


Are your ppm (TDS) readings higher after completion in your concentrate than 
they were in the CS you began with?


many thanks,

Peter


  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave Darrin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:14 PM
  Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?


  I sent this message,I thought to the silver list, but it only went to Scott 
Adams.

  I have gmail and it does that every now and then.
  My parent email is comcast and they block the silver list most of the 
time--but not all so I guess I'll have to use more diligence to see where my 
messages are going. Here it is again:



--
  From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] 
  Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:53 PM
  To: msad...@msadams.com
  Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?


  I have concentrated EIS by putting it in a coffee carafe and putting it on 
the coffee maker hot plate.
  When it steams off about half of the water I refill it and repeat until the 
solution turns a dark gold to brown appearance. 
  At that point if you add the same amount of distilled water as you reduced 
the solution will turn back to clear. So I would think you could reduce even 
farther and reconstitute it with distilled water from any concentration if you 
keep in mind the amount you removed.

  The buzz word in this is distilled as I wouldn't recommend using tap water 
but it might not make a difference.
  An interesting phenomenon here is that the color doesn't seem to indicate 
larger particle size as adding the original amount of distilled water returns 
it to clear.

  Dave




  On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com wrote:

Thanks Dave! I noticed you didn't also send this to the list. Was that an 
oversight?



--
  From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] 
  Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:53 PM
  To: msad...@msadams.com
  Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?


  I have concentrated EIS by putting it in a coffee carafe and putting it 
on the coffee maker hot plate.
  When it steams off about half of the water I refill it and repeat until 
the solution turns a dark gold to brown appearance. 
  At that point if you add the same amount of distilled water as you 
reduced the solution will turn back to clear. So I would think you could reduce 
even farther and reconstitute it with distilled water from any concentration if 
you keep in mind the amount you removed.

  The buzz word in this is distilled as I wouldn't recommend using tap 
water but it might not make a difference.
  An interesting phenomenon here is that the color doesn't seem to indicate 
larger particle size as adding the original amount of distilled water returns 
it to clear.

  Dave


  On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com wrote:

My wife asked me the following and I would like to hear what others 
say...

Can you make the silver concentrated, so I can take it traveling , put 
drops
in a cup of water and drink it diluted that way?


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Re: CSConcentrated silver?

[Peter Converse]

thanks Steve...that would make more sense, come to think of it. I must be 
reading too much and getting almost cross-eyed in doing so

would this process boost the ppm concentration while keeping particle size 
down, do you think?

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Norton, Steve 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:25 PM
  Subject: RE: CSConcentrated silver?


  I assumed he was refilling it with EIS.

  -   Steve

   

  From: Peter Converse [mailto:pconve...@primus.ca] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:15 PM
  To: Dave Darrin; silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?

   

  Hi Dave,

   

   

  What is the purpose of refilling with distilled water and repeating the 
process after the initial steaming off of about half the water?

   

   

  Wouldn't it become more concentrated by lengthening the initial steaming off 
period without the addition of more water and repeating the process? 

   

   

  Wouldn't doing this be redundant?

   

   

  I may be missing something herecould you explain?

   

   

  Are your ppm (TDS) readings higher after completion in your concentrate than 
they were in the CS you began with?

   

   

  many thanks,

   

  Peter

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Dave Darrin 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:14 PM

Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?

 

I sent this message,I thought to the silver list, but it only went to Scott 
Adams.

I have gmail and it does that every now and then.
My parent email is comcast and they block the silver list most of the 
time--but not all so I guess I'll have to use more diligence to see where my 
messages are going. Here it is again:




From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:53 PM
To: msad...@msadams.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?

I have concentrated EIS by putting it in a coffee carafe and putting it on 
the coffee maker hot plate.
When it steams off about half of the water I refill it and repeat until the 
solution turns a dark gold to brown appearance. 
At that point if you add the same amount of distilled water as you reduced 
the solution will turn back to clear. So I would think you could reduce even 
farther and reconstitute it with distilled water from any concentration if you 
keep in mind the amount you removed.

The buzz word in this is distilled as I wouldn't recommend using tap 
water but it might not make a difference.
An interesting phenomenon here is that the color doesn't seem to indicate 
larger particle size as adding the original amount of distilled water returns 
it to clear.

Dave




 

Re: CSGlucose management commentary

[Peter Converse]

Hi Dianne,

Is it possible that the immune enhancement provided by the agaricus is giving 
you some die-off reactions involving intramuscular inflammation? Possibly, this 
is a TH2 cytokine response which can be alleviated somewhat by taking fish 
oils. Drinking more water may help as may castor oil packs, liver flushing and 
other detox methods.

I could be completely wrong...but maybe not..so I thought I'd mention it.

Hope this helps,

Peter

- Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list ; brooks76...@lycos.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:04 AM
  Subject: RE: CSGlucose management commentary


  I was very interested in this study as I also have diabetes and wanted to 
experiment with taking the supplement.  My problem has been when I take the 
Agaricus Blazei I seem to have more problems with muscle cramps.  I don't know 
if the two are associated but each time I stop they seem to go away and once I 
start taking the supplement again they return.
   
  Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.  
   
  Dianne
   

   

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  To: Silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:33:15 -0400
  Subject: CSGlucose management commentary

  During a recently-past immune system modulation evaluation study, we 
  experienced a serendipitous circumstance. Several of the volunteers were 
presenting (as a corollary) various stages of insulin resistance and/or general 
glucose fluctuations of considerable magnitude. We were quite surprisedand 
intriguedby the spontaneous stabilization of glucose parameters---among a 
majority of these volunteers. Following an extensive literature search, we were 
able to confirm that some investigative research had, already been conducted 
  relative to this mushroom's effectiveness in helpfully modulating glucose 
metabolism. Apparently, the beneficial effect sprang from the ability of 
Agaricus Blazei to boost the levels of adiponectin.a substance which 
QUICKLY clears sugar from the bloodstream.without detrimental side-effects. 
To our knowledge, Agaricus Blazei is the only substance (at present) that can 
boost adiponectin levels. 
  We are, at present, in the midst of conducting evaluations concentrating on 
  verifying the speed and/or effectivity of Blazei on a variety of volunteers 
presenting with 
  glucose management challenges. Although early into (6 weeks duration) these 
evaluations, we are quite impressed with the positive results. Most especially, 
in the fact that raising the adiponectin levels have, unaided by supporting 
protocols-effected surprising improvements/stabilization of glucose 
management problems, among our experimental volunteer population. Most 
impressive have been the reduction in wide fluctuations of fasting glucose 
  levels and the mood swings which, normally, accompany pronounced glucose 
variations. 
  List experimenters interested in pursuing their own, personalized, 
trialscan find a large number of Internet-based suppliers of this 
mushroomin both extract and powdered form. 
  I hope our experiences are of some value to the List Membership. 
  Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. 
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[Peter R]

Dear Members.

I have received a piece of information that I am not able to qualify.
I would appreciate any comment on this subject.
I do not have not the slightest idea, if this information is correct or not.

Now having completed my warning, the following.

L-Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) + Salt (Sodium Chloride) - When mixed 
produce Formaldehyde.


 C6H8C6   +   NaCl (or KCl)  =HCHO

If there is a true to the above, It would explain my Kidney Failure, in 
spite that are very careful in what I eat, and purchase and  cook my own 
food.

I was not on any drug and was healthy otherwise.
However I used L-ascorbic acid as a condiment on about any food.

Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely

Amadeus
(This is my real first name)


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Re: CSvolts, amps, other methods

[Peter Converse]

Hi Dick,

Can you mention what you have done with CS (and/or other things) to cure 
yourself and your wife of Lyme disease?

This would be a big help to me!

many thanks,

Peter

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Goodwin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:33 PM
  Subject: CSvolts, amps, other methods


  Hello,


  I'm a new subscriber to this list, having arrived here by a very circuitous 
route over a few years of reading about colloidal silver and how to make it.  
And how not to make it.  Marshall has been a lot of help recently in this 
respect.


  I'm sure this has already been discussed, but without being able to consult 
the archives, I'd like to ask this anyway:


  I'm looking, as is everyone else probably, for the best way to make colloidal 
silver.  I'm assuming that colloidal content is preferable to ionic content.  
At least one website claims that it is not possible to make good colloidal 
silver at home, as the process is too complicated.


  If that is true, then something else has been keeping me and my wife cold- 
and flu- free for the past 3 years, and has cured both of us of lyme disease.  
:-)  I suspect I have been making some mixture of colloidal and ionic.


  More to the point -- if I am going to use electricity, silver, and distilled 
water to make CS, what method will produce the highest colloidal content:  what 
voltage, AC or DC, what current?


  And are there perhaps some other methods, like nanomaterialstore.com, who 
makes silver nanoparticles that you could perhaps then mix with distilled 
water, that might be even better?  Certainly not cheaper, at $90/gram of their 
product.


  Cheers!
  Dick Goodwin

CSRe: Ozonated Saline Solution

[Peter Converse]

Hi Arthur,

I have a friend who is doing his best to recover from Hep-C. Would you be able 
to elaborate on your ozonated saline solution?

In case you haven't seen it yet, I'll just mention to you a very helpful book 
for immune restoration techniques which can be applied in cases of HIV, Hep-C, 
HHV6-A, CFS, Candidiasis, Lyme Disease, cancer, etc... It is aptly called the 
Immune Restoration Handbook and can be purchased here:

http://www.keephopealive.org/


Best regards,

Peter


  - Original Message - 
  From: arthur rambo 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:50 PM
  Subject: Re: CSH202 - Snopes


  I've injected ozone directly, 50cc, once per day, 300+ times. Got the viral 
load down to 66,000, but couldn't quite finish on acount of the oxidative 
stress.  Anti-oxidants should be stressed to counter the oxidative effects.  I 
now use ozonated saline solution 1-2x a week to treat hcv, and find this is the 
friendliest and effective of all, except this much sodium 500ml, introduced 
in a  short time, raises the blood pressure,  So I can only do a couple per 
week.
   



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  Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 3:26:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CSH202 - Snopes


  Hi -- I believe ozone is O3, and H2O2 is Hydrogen Peroxide.


  Dick



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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 2:48:28 PM
  Subject: Re: CSH202 - Snopes

  Is ozone H202?  dee

  On 30 Nov 2009, at 15:44, Norton, Steve wrote:

   I think you are right that they are referring to intravenous use. See:
   
   http://educate-yourself.org/ozone/
   A second technique is to introduce the ozone directly into the
   bloodstream via intravenous injection. The idea of intravenous injection
   has raised concern with some people concerning the notion of gas
   embolism which might lead to a heart attack or blockage in the lungs.
   Gas embolisms, however, do not occur with pure ozone. Air, which is
   largely composed of 80% nitrogen and 20 % oxygen, will create a gas
   bubble in the blood at atmospheric pressure, but not ozone. Nitrogen
   will create a gas bubble in the blood at atmospheric pressure, but not
   ozone. The rate of ozone delivery and the very small needle used to
   inject the ozone, guarantee no possibility of gas embolism. Do not allow
   this bogus fear tactic to keep you from investigating this highly
   effective and safe therapy!
   


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Re: CStyndall again

[Peter Converse]

Hi Dorothy,

Is your distiller stable now in its cleanliness and test-proven TDS readings 
and is it producing water in a reliably consistent manner repeatedly?


Are you using the same CS production jar/vessel and is it in the same state 
each time you generate your CS or is this a variable as well?


Are you cleaning the electrodes (or not)...whichever this is...are you doing 
this or not doing this consistently?


Have your water temperatures been consistent?

Have your generator settings varied in any way or have they been identical 
with each batch?


Are you stirring (or not) consistently?

Are you keeping notes of your conditions and variables to help make sense 
of this? The more you keep track of things and the fewer the variables, the 
easier it'll be to understand what's happening, right?


Beyond what you can presently control or understand may not matter all that 
much anyway (as frustrating as this may seem) . Eventually, it may make much 
more sense anyway (when you're a little older and wiser or when Ode comes to 
visit and imparts some of his expertise to you).


In the meantime, have fun!

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: CStyndall again


Just thought that I'd report that the DW I made that read 002 has made clear 
silver, and I made another brew using the one which read 000 but went 
yellow; and this has also made a clear brew (after three days)  Puzzling eh? 
I've also made another batch of DW NOT using the Brita filtered water, and 
the TDS reading is 000 again.  dee


On 17 Nov 2009, at 19:49, Garnet wrote:


I use white vinegar to clean my distiller and never have any problem
with producing clear CS. I do not rinse with sodium bicarbonate.

I rinse three times with tap water and do not wipe. I am using about
a cup of 9% white vinegar in one gallon of water. I let this sit for a
half a day or more and then rinse 3X.

Last two times I have put a plate on top instead of the distiller top
and plugged it in for a few hours. This cleans it even faster and
boils off some of the water/vinegar mixture in the process. The
plate is not an air tight seal. Last time I put it outside so I did not
have to smell the vinegar. This works better than just letting it
sit because it comes out cleaner.


Garnet




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Re: CSQuartz device (battery, wire and quartz crystals)

[Peter Converse]

Thanks a million Rowena!

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Rowena new...@internode.on.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: CSQuartz device (battery, wire and quartz crystals)



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cancercured/
But there is zero discussion about it, just a few squabbles about 
unrelated stuff.

It's a VERY heavily moderated group.
The Crock Lakhovsky group are discussing and planning to make it.

FoolsCrow told me:

Hi:
Thank you for the response. I have posted this at the request of the 
people healed by it. I saw these healings first and I was in denial about 
the simplicity of the unit compared to Hulda clarks zapper. I was always a 
big Clark fan. They kept insisting to me that the simple design will do 
more than the zapper in the way of healing and claim other cases as 
reference. They want to spread the word around the world freely to all as 
soon as possilbe. They are in fear of mentioning their names, as the 
industry does not take kindly to low cost, non controllled healings.
 Spread the word freely if you see this work for you, or your 
aquaintances. (USA)


R



Peter Converse wrote:

Hi Rowena,

Was this group a yahoo group?

many thanks,

Peter


- Original Message - From: Rowena new...@internode.on.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:27 PM
Subject: CSQuartz device (battery, wire and quartz crystals)


This was posted on the Cancercured group by an originally sceptical 
friend of the designers.

Many of us are familiar with the basic unit as Godzilla (
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/), but this has 
quartz crystals at the business end and slightly different instructions 
for use.  The designers wish for anonymity but encourage it to be shared 
freely around the world.

One might dub it Quartzilla. Rowena


Simple homemade quartz device cures Hepatitis C, Cancer, Herpes, H1N1, 
AIDS, etc


I was asked by friends to share this easy to build device with 
everyone. I personally know two people who used only this device to 
cure incurable diseases. Though the concept is similar to a zapper, 
but this can be built in minutes by just about anyone, and the users 
claim it is MORE effective.


One cured person had his doctor confirm that the Hepatitis C he had  for 
20 years had vanished from his body. He has been free of it for 5  years 
now. Another cured man tried this for two weeks and his doctor  noticed 
that his main terminal cancer tumor reduced in size by 39% and  the 
satellite tumors had completely disappeared. Shortly thereafter,  to the 
astonishment of his doctors, all the cancer disappeared.


This system sounds too simple to work, but it sure seems too and is 
well worth a try. To build it, you only need the following:


-One six-volt battery (I was told that 6 volts is the target voltage, 
and not 9.)

-Two pieces of wire 3 feet long. This could be speaker wire, etc.
-Two pieces of quartz (more on this later, but in general, ANY 2 quartz 
rocks)

-Optional alligator clips to attach to the batter, but not necessary.


Basic Assembly and use:

-Each wire is stripped about an inch on each end.

-Fasten one end of one wire to one of the quartz rocks. The important 
thing here is to make sure that the stripped portion of the wire is 
touching the quartz. This could be done with epoxy glue, super glue, 
silicone, perhaps even tape, or a metal strap. Just bear in mind that 
you need a surface of the quartz stone exposed to later be in contact 
with your body.


-Now you have two wires with one quartz stone fastened to each wire.

-Attach the free end other end of one wire to one of the battery 
terminals.


-Attach the free end of the other wire to the other batter terminal.

-Now you have one wire with one quartz stone on each battery terminal.

-Attach the quartz stone that is wired to the POSITIVE terminal of the 
battery to your body with tape. (Normally, this would be the part of 
your body that is afflicted with disease; HOWEVER, in the case of flu 
viruses, aids, etc., you would try to put this end either on your  right 
shoulder or your right leg or foot.)


-The other quartz crystal is tapped by one of your fingers randomly  and 
rapidly for one hour every day. (Either hand, or farthest away  from the 
other quartz that is attached to your body.)

Additional Information:

-In the case of terminal diseases, after you are healed, you may have 
to put yourself on a maintenance plan of doing this 3 times a week to 
keep yourself healthy.


-Technical types like me would be tempted to fasten a timer to this 
like the zapper has so that we would not have to tap the stone; I have 
been advised that this will not work as well.


-A variation of this used is to tape both stones to your body, with  the 
positive wired quartz closest to the afflicted area and the other 
farthest away on the body. Then leave the stones taped on for as long 
as you want

Re: CSQuartz device (battery, wire and quartz crystals)

[Peter Converse]

Hi Rowena,

Was this group a yahoo group?

many thanks,

Peter


- Original Message - 
From: Rowena new...@internode.on.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:27 PM
Subject: CSQuartz device (battery, wire and quartz crystals)


This was posted on the Cancercured group by an originally sceptical friend 
of the designers.

Many of us are familiar with the basic unit as Godzilla (
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/), but this has 
quartz crystals at the business end and slightly different instructions 
for use.  The designers wish for anonymity but encourage it to be shared 
freely around the world.

One might dub it Quartzilla. Rowena


Simple homemade quartz device cures Hepatitis C, Cancer, Herpes, H1N1, 
AIDS, etc


I was asked by friends to share this easy to build device with  everyone. 
I personally know two people who used only this device to  cure incurable 
diseases. Though the concept is similar to a zapper,  but this can be 
built in minutes by just about anyone, and the users  claim it is MORE 
effective.


One cured person had his doctor confirm that the Hepatitis C he had  for 
20 years had vanished from his body. He has been free of it for 5  years 
now. Another cured man tried this for two weeks and his doctor  noticed 
that his main terminal cancer tumor reduced in size by 39% and  the 
satellite tumors had completely disappeared. Shortly thereafter,  to the 
astonishment of his doctors, all the cancer disappeared.


This system sounds too simple to work, but it sure seems too and is  well 
worth a try. To build it, you only need the following:


-One six-volt battery (I was told that 6 volts is the target voltage,  and 
not 9.)

-Two pieces of wire 3 feet long. This could be speaker wire, etc.
-Two pieces of quartz (more on this later, but in general, ANY 2 quartz 
rocks)

-Optional alligator clips to attach to the batter, but not necessary.


Basic Assembly and use:

-Each wire is stripped about an inch on each end.

-Fasten one end of one wire to one of the quartz rocks. The important 
thing here is to make sure that the stripped portion of the wire is 
touching the quartz. This could be done with epoxy glue, super glue, 
silicone, perhaps even tape, or a metal strap. Just bear in mind that  you 
need a surface of the quartz stone exposed to later be in contact  with 
your body.


-Now you have two wires with one quartz stone fastened to each wire.

-Attach the free end other end of one wire to one of the battery 
terminals.


-Attach the free end of the other wire to the other batter terminal.

-Now you have one wire with one quartz stone on each battery terminal.

-Attach the quartz stone that is wired to the POSITIVE terminal of the 
battery to your body with tape. (Normally, this would be the part of  your 
body that is afflicted with disease; HOWEVER, in the case of flu  viruses, 
aids, etc., you would try to put this end either on your  right shoulder 
or your right leg or foot.)


-The other quartz crystal is tapped by one of your fingers randomly  and 
rapidly for one hour every day. (Either hand, or farthest away  from the 
other quartz that is attached to your body.)

Additional Information:

-In the case of terminal diseases, after you are healed, you may have  to 
put yourself on a maintenance plan of doing this 3 times a week to  keep 
yourself healthy.


-Technical types like me would be tempted to fasten a timer to this  like 
the zapper has so that we would not have to tap the stone; I have  been 
advised that this will not work as well.


-A variation of this used is to tape both stones to your body, with  the 
positive wired quartz closest to the afflicted area and the other 
farthest away on the body. Then leave the stones taped on for as long  as 
you want. No tapping in this case. (One hepatitis victim claims a  cure 
after doing this for one day)


-For the selection of quartz; I was told that ANY quartz will work 
(white, rose, smoke, crystal, etc.). I was also advised that a person  in 
tune could pick up a couple rocks that feel right. They could be  broken 
with a hammer to be flat, to fit your body better, BUT, I was  warned to 
tell people not to worry that much about it. Don't waste  money on over 
prices quartz crystals, just try to pick up a couple  rocks for free, or 
if you are in a city, buy them cheap.


-The general theory here is similar to a zapper circuit and it's  intent. 
In this case, the quartz takes care of all the oscillations of 
frequencies on it's own with no additional electrical circuits  necessary, 
eliminating the viruses, causes, etc. The rapid tapping is  optional, but 
said to bring about the desired effect much faster.


-This should work regardless of the person's skepticism, but, if 
possible, the subject's focus on a positive effect is always good  advice.



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Re: CStyndall again

[Peter Converse]

Hi Dorothy,

Maybe your Brita filter is adding contamination to your water or your distiller 
tank is shedding a little crud after having been run twice and getting heated 
up for the first and second time. If the SS tank was treated with anything in 
its manufacturing process this might be getting into the DW, though most people 
don't test their finished product as you have been doing, and would never know 
what you may have just discovered. Probably, a couple more runs with the 
distiller might be enough to clean it out and provide you with purer water.

Just a thought or two.

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:52 AM
  Subject: Re: CStyndall again


  Thanks Nevelle, its just the first lot of DW I 'brewed' came out at 000 on 
the TDS.  This was just water boiled in the kettle and then put in the 
distiller.  The second lot went through a Brita filter first before boiling and 
then steam distilling.  after the first time, it read 002 on the TDS so I 
distilled it again.  Then it came out at 003!  I just can't understand it at 
all.  
  The tyndall was in water from the first batch *before* I put the electrodes 
in, so I don't understand that at all either.  dee


  On 16 Nov 2009, at 13:09, Neville Munn wrote:


I get the impression you're concerned about this, why would that be?
 
Some DW shows TE some don't, some end product shows TE and some don't have 
as much, it all depends on which way one parted their hair on the day they 
brewed it g.
 

CSRe: OT - Vitamin D - Good or Not-So-Good For Some People

[Peter Converse]

Hi Gina,

This is not meant as a jab in any way, in case it first comes across like one, 
but I was wondering what your opinion, as a layperson like myself, might be 
about vitamin D and Lyme non-spirochetal bacterial forms.

 Lida Mattman, Dr. Trevor Marshall and others seem to think that avoiding 
vitamin D is a crucial part of regaining health for someone with Lyme disease 
or having other chronic health conditions involving L-form bacteria.

http://bacteriality.com/about-the-mp/

 Bryan Rosner, author of several books on Lyme disease, has used the Marshall 
protocol with reportedly good results and even credits it for getting him over 
the final hurdle. (I wonder if he has really crossed the final hurdle though)

My own take on this so far has been that the Marshall Protocol seems more or 
less unsubstantiated, in any large way, and could even be quite risky due to 
the protocol's suggestion of a complete vitamin D deprivation/avoidance 
strategy.

 I have opted, so far, to avoid heavy vitamin D supplementation but certainly 
don't hide from the sun, although I do not make a point of purposely exposing 
myself to the sun for vitamin D creation. I guess I try to run things pretty 
much down the middle and avoid the extremes at both ends of the spectrum.

How do you approach this? Do you totally disagree with the premise of the 
Marshall Protocol? Sometimes, I feel inclined to do this myself but don't want 
to mess myself up either.

If anyone else can throw in their own two cents, please do. I have been a 
fence-sitter on this issue for some time so I'd love to get some opinions from 
others who have had a chance to study it themselves!

Many thanks!

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gina Moore 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:18 PM
  Subject: RE: CSOT Vitamin D


  You probably weren't taking enough from what I understand.  Most people can 
take 5000 IU a day for maintenance, if their levels are already up.  (Said with 
the thought that you will do your homework and find out how much you personally 
need to take!)  

   

  http://grassrootshealth.net/ is a very good site for Vit D info.  This video 
in particular is fantastic: 
http://www.ucsd.tv/search-details.aspx?showID=16940.  It's 30 minutes long, but 
worth every second to watch it.

   

  From what I can tell, Vit D is super important.  I will never be without it 
again!

  Gina

   


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  From: Jeff Maahs [mailto:j_ma...@yahoo.com] 
  Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:11 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CSOT Vitamin D

   

  Right after joining this group someone posted how important Vitamin D3 was to 
our health. My daily vitamin wasn't going to cut it during the flu season so 
following suggestions I ordered some for myself and smaller dosage for the 
kids. 

  I've been taking 2000IU daily for over 3 weeks. Today I got results from my 
physical blood test on Vit D and it was 25! The doctor called in a prescription 
for 50,000/week. 

  Does Vit D take time to build up or was I simply not taking enough do you 
think? 

  I also wanted to say thanks to those that had the Vit D discussion. I would 
not have thought to check otherwise.

  Jeff

   

CSFw: Pyrex dishes warning

[Peter Converse]

Hi All,

You might be interested in this:


- Original Message - 



  Pyrex dishes:I HOPE EVERYONE TAKES THE TIME TO READ THIS MESSAGE.

  Got any new Pyrex dishes in your cooking utensils? This is a must read.

  I Checked at Walmart and all the warnings are there.

  About 5:30 PM there was a loud bang from the oven.  Sylvia opened the 
oven door and the Pyrex dish had shattered into a million pieces.


  The roast beef (our first in many months) was peppered with small shards 
of very sharp glass.  Normally, I am quick to inform Sylvia she did something 
stupid. However,this time she was nowhere near the stove when it blew.  I 
shoveled the glass and the now mashed potatoes into a bucket with two putty 
knives.  I then sucked the remains with the shop vac.  I let everything cool 
down and then scrubbed the oven with Simple Green and some hot soapy water.  It 
took over an hour to clean up the goo.  Upon completion I ran the oven empty to 
see if the temperature controller was working okay.  I suspected the oven got 
too hot and the dish simply blew.  This was not the case however. The oven came 
up to temperature and cycled normally.   We threw a disgusting frozen pizza in 
the oven and it cooked okay.

   What is going on?

  I Googled exploding Pyrex dishes and got ten million hits.  Exploding 
Pyrex is very common. Here is the story: A long, long time ago in a country we 
all know and love was a
  company named Corning.  They made Pyrex dishes.  The material they used 
is called borosilicate glass.  This stuff is indestructible.


  But like everything else, the Bottom Liners had a great idea:  sell the 
technology to another company.  The Chinese discovered that using soda lime 
glass was almost as good as borosilicate glass and a lot cheaper.   Today, 
Walmart is the largest distributor of Pyrex products.  Corning not only sold 
the technology to a company called
  World Kitchen, they also sold the rights to the original Pyrex logo.


  Seamless.  The consumer will never know.

  Now it seems people are getting hurt using soda lime Pyrex.  We were 
lucky because the dish broke while the oven was closed and the damage was 
limited to the oven cavity.  Others have been less fortunate.  Some dishes 
explode when they are lifted from the heating rack in the oven with devastating 
results.  Some people are heavily scarred.  World Kitchen is in denial.  They 
say that the dishes are another brand, not theirs.  Contrary to their denials 
the victims usually have more than one of these dishes and the Pyrex logo is 
clearly visible.

  If you buy a Pyrex dish beware.  The label on the front says oven safe, 
freezer safe, microwave safe.  The instructions on the back tell another story. 
 You cannot move a soda lime Pyrex dish from the freezer to the oven and expect 
it to survive.  The fine print goes on and on about what you are not allowed to 
do with the Pyrex dish.  The fine print has prevented World Kitchen from being 
sued because they have warned the consumer that their Pyrex dishes are junk 
from the get go.  And they are the same price as the original Corning dishes.


  What a bunch of losers we all are for buying this crap.   What to do?


  If you own borosilicate Pyrex dishes, no fear.  They have to be more than 
25 years old to be sure they are indeed Corning dishes.  I am not sure if the 
old Pyrex dishes have anything stamped in them that indicates they are made by 
Corning.  You may continue to use the soda lime dishes for holding stuff.  Just 
do not attempt to roast or microwave with them as the hazard is very clear.

  The reason the soda lime dishes let go is that over time they develop 
micro-cracks.  Once a few micro-cracks are present and once some liquid finds 
its way into the cracks you have the bomb situation.  The liquid is like 
shoving a crowbar in the dish and pulling it apart.  Super heated liquids 
expand rapidly and it is the super heated liquids that force the soda lime 
glass to shatter into tens of thousands of shards.

  Since Corning no longer makes Pyrex and Sylvia proudly holds a large 
collection of the soda lime Pyrex, we decided that one bomb in the kitchen is 
enough.  The P Pyrex dishes will go bye-bye in this week's trash.  I do not 
know what we will use for cake and pie dishes going forward .  If you have some 
suggestions we are listening.

  I strongly urge you not to use the soda lime Pyrex for the oven, stovetop 
or microwave.  The slightest invisible crack is all it takes to have a mess and 
a possible injury.

  In case you are wondering: World Kitchen is not a USA company.
 

I went to Snopes  checked this out.  Be careful when using Pyrex.  --   
http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/pyrex.asp



You can also click on the above Snopes address for the same verification.


Peter

CSPremixed CS/DMSO?

[Peter Converse]

Hi Folks,

If using a mixture of CS and DMSO does one need to mix it freshly at the time 
of usage or could one make a larger batch and expect it to be o.k. over time, 
such as making up a pint for repeated daily mouth swishing?

many thanks,

Peter

Re: CSWould ConcenTrace Minerals Be a Good Gatorade Substitute?

[Peter Converse]

Ode,

That was priceless!! Classic Ode! You really had me in stitches!!

Thanks a million for today's best healing modality (better than CS prolly),

Peter


- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: CSWould ConcenTrace Minerals Be a Good Gatorade Substitute?


  Yea, then there's that person waiting for a diesel bus that complains 
that somebody down the street is smoking a cigarette.
 Deadly second hand smoke vs a million times as much first hand diesel 
fume.


Sea salt.  From what modern sea?
 Rock salt from a mine formed by an old sea drying up...wouldn't want to 
miss out on all those old volcanoes.


Must protest Depleted Uranium as I drink from my well drilled into 
radioactive Granite and live in a radioactive brick house seeping Radon 
gas into the basement.


 Saber tooth tiger or tar pit.  What's a health conscious mastodon to do?
all those toxic buttercups. and wound up flash frozen with a belly 
ache.


Ah yes, the good old safe days...you know, back when everything was 
organic and people commonly had goiters, scurvy and rickets.

...and a twice weekly workout was running from the wolves.

200 years ago, cancer death rates were low...because everything else was 
so dangerous that almost no one lived long enough to die of it.


Ode

At 09:00 AM 11/3/2009 -0700, you wrote:
I wonder if anyone who has lived or often been close to the Great Salt 
Lake uses Concentrace? SLC is our nearest big city and we get the SLC tv 
stations. The Great Salt Lake is very polluted, Hill AFB is nearby and it 
is not that uncommon for jets on maneuvers to dump excess fuel into the 
lake before returning to the base. Particularly if they are having any 
trouble at all.

I really wonder what else is in the Concentrace besides the minerals.
sol



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Re: CSPremixed CS/DMSO?

[Peter Converse]

TW,

Good point! Anyone know if the tooth whitening formula has a shelf life or 
needs to be fresh? (or CS/DMSO, for that matter)


Peter

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From: slickpic...@cox.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: CSPremixed CS/DMSO?


I have wondered the same thing about Brooks Bradley's CS/hydrogen peroxide 
tooth-whitening solution.


TW
 Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca wrote:

=
Hi Folks,

If using a mixture of CS and DMSO does one need to mix it freshly at the 
time of usage or could one make a larger batch and expect it to be o.k. 
over time, such as making up a pint for repeated daily mouth swishing?


many thanks,

Peter






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CSRe: ConcenTrace Minerals NewTrace Mineral Supplement Question

[Peter Converse]

Hi All,

Many thanks for steering me in the right direction (away from using 
ConcenTrace minerals in lieu of Gatorade with my CS). I appreciate your 
help!


BTW, does anyone have a recommended well-absorbed source of micro and trace 
minerals that I would be better off using than Concentrace for mineral 
supplementation?


thanks again,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: CSWould ConcenTrace Minerals Be a Good Gatorade Substitute?


Look up how Nagiri is made.  This description (although not the best)
may be similar to the way they make Nagiri.
Sodium Chloride will precipitate out before Magnesium Chloride and
some other salts.

Dan

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote:

## That sounds like 100% pure hooey.
Evaporation removes water, not sodium..hence the WATER is desalinated [but
that's not in the bottle] and the minerals concentrated into 100% all
sorts of different mineral salts, nothing pure about it.
Well, maybe pure Salt Lake...but pure Detroit sewage could be labeled that
way too. [LikePure Male Bovine Fertilizer]
..could just drink sea water or use sea salt?
And how is that any different from raw rock salt that's spread out on the
road to melt ice, anyhow?
What makes one ancient ocean turned salt mine any different from another
ancient ocean?
Salt lake not quite dry enough to be a salt mine yet? ..and not isolated
from modern pollutants. How inconvenient.

Like whole wheat bread..charging more because it HASN'T been worked over.

Ode



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CSWould ConcenTrace Minerals Be a Good Gatorade Substitute?

[Peter Converse]

Hi Folks,

Possibly, one or more of the well-seasoned members might be able to answer 
the following question for me.

I have been reading http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html   and trying to get 
an understanding of what takes place when Gatorade is added to CS, for the 
purpose of improving its absorption into the blood by several times.

My question is: If I wanted to accomplish the same goal, of improving 
absorption of CS into the blood, by substituting the Gatorade with ConcenTrace 
- Full Spectrum Body Balanced Ionic Minerals and Trace Elements, which has 185 
mg. of chloride per 0.65 ml. do you think that the effect might be similar?

ConcenTrace also contains magnesium-65 mg., sulphate-14 mg., sodium-2.4 mg., 
potassium-1 mg. per 0.65 ml.(10 drop serving), in addition to trace amounts of 
other minerals which are found in sea water. They say that this stuff is 
concentrated and desalinated -(99% sodium removed through solar evaporation) 
and sourced from Utah's Great salt Lake and 100% pure.

Can anyone comment on this?

thanks in advance,

Peter

CSLiposomal Salt/C Question?

[Peter Converse]

Hi Gina,

I have been wondering if making the Salt/C liposomally would work safely and 
effectively with Lyme. 

I would think that a much smaller amount of salt, such as Himilayan sea salt or 
your Redmond's Real salt would be adviseable due to the multiplication factor 
involved when ingesting liposomal nutrients. For example, 2 grams may translate 
to about 20 grams in liposomal form and do the job exceptionally well.

The question which remains for me is really whether a salt such as either of 
these is something we would want to receive intracellularly on an ongoing 
basis. This might be the ideal deivery method for the salt to get at the 
Borrelia and co-infections or it may be problematic in some way.

Anyone care to chime in here with some thoughts on the subject?

BTW, I have tried the liposomal Salt/C for two batches so far and it does taste 
better...a little less bite to the acidity although its pH measures about the 
same as without the salt...slightly above 3.

Many thanks,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Laurie Valente 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 6:05 PM
  Subject: Re: CSLiposomal C


  Check out the website www.truthinlabeling.org  it has a link for some other 
names MSG is known to be. Read the labels carefully. I printed out the list and 
carry it with me to the grocery store to be sure to purchase items without MSG. 
www.dorway.com  and www.russelblaylockmd.com are another source if you'd like 
to learn more.  

  Laurie
- Original Message - 
From: Gina Moore 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: CSLiposomal C


I've made a few batches of the liposomal C, and they seem to be fine.  I've 
been taking 2oz daily.  I have a couple of questions though.

 

How do you make it more palatable?  I've been putting my salt water in it 
and that helps tremendously.  I have Lyme disease and am doing the salt/c 
protocol - I take about 10gm salt (Redmond's) in water daily, along with the 
Vit C (which the liposomal version is working beautifully for).  I just 
wondered what others were doing to get it down easier, or if that was even an 
issue.

 

My other thing is I like to read/watch a lot of things and I saw somewhere 
that Soy Lecithin is MSG in disguise!  Anyone know if this is true?  I'm going 
to do some research on it, but I was quite alarmed at the statement!  MSG is 
something I avoid like the plauge!

 

Just wanted to get your thoughts.

Gina

Re: CSthe best buy for making CS

[Peter Converse]

Hi Stacey,


The Silver Puppy :

http://www.silverpuppy.com/  ,

 either of the two SilverGens (SG-6, SG-7) :

http://www.silvergen.com/  ,

and the Colloid Master  :

http://www.wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Maker_777_AC.html

are some of the more common commercially made and frequently used EIS 
generators.

Here's Jim Meissner's generator also:

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator

There are others too. 

People here have their preferences and sometimes get into debates about which 
machine is best so I'm not going to touch that subject at all..

If inclined, you could ask how to make your own generator as well.

regards,

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:57 AM
  Subject: Re: CSthe best buy for making CS


  The Silver Puppy definitely is *not* lower quality.  It is a brilliant 
generator which I as a sort of newbie to silver making (one and a half years) 
have made really good clear CS time and time again.  It also survived being 
dropped on hard tiles too!  It has everything I need i.e. auto or manual, 
direct or reverse polarity whichever you need.  I like the reverse polarity 
because although it takes longer to do, you don't get any residue (or hardly 
any) in the water.  dee


  On 26 Oct 2009, at 23:32, Stacy Rappaport wrote:


Hi All, Still finding my way. I'm to go forward with taking CS. I have one 
source, no two, JIm M.s which seems like a well made genrator. a silver puppy i 
see that's $70 less, seems just as adequate but perhaps it's alower quality. 
Would you share with me what you have? what you've found to be a good product 
at a good price? are the two synonmous? i'm ready to take the plunge yet want 
the best generator. If you feel more comfortable, please email me off list at 
stacy07...@gmail.com.

thanks you so very much.
stacy

Re: CScan anyone make a suggestion about an open wound

[Peter Converse]

Hi Bernadette,

She could try very high doses of Lypospheric vitamin C and glutathione:

http://www.livonlabs.com/

http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/614.htm

or make some of her own with help from this list along with trying some 
CS/DMSO applied externally to the area. This may cause stem cell release and 
close the wound, depending on how large it is.


If it becomes infected another possibility besides CS is Allimax allicin 
(garlic source) capsules which are documented to heal open festering wounds 
in cases of MRSA.


These are just research suggestions she might consider.

I hope this helps,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Bernadette bernade...@pa.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:42 PM
Subject: CScan anyone make a suggestion about an open wound


My friend was diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer.  They discovered it 
on a Thursday and on the following Tuesday she was operated on and 
everything female was taken out.  They closed up her belly-button since 
a lymph node was pushing through (that is how they found out about the 
ovarian cancer). Now the incision will not heal properly.She is on 
chemo for 1 year - going once a week (three weeks on and one week off). 
Other than the cancer she is in excellent health.  She is 66 years old. 
Would CS help heal this type of open wound?  She wrote the following:


As far as my opening the Dr. said that there is nothing more he can do. 
TO reopen it they would have to stop the cemo and that becomes a real 
problem in the chances are the cemo would not work. So we will go with the 
cemo and hope that maybe this will close on its own. There is that chance. 
It is not in fected at this time and if I keep it clean it should be 
fine.


She is willing to try different approaches - I would like to give her some 
suggestions and then she can make up her own mind as to try them or not. 
Thank you for any help you could afford her.


Bernadette


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Re: CSMMS and Colloidal silver together?? Anybody??

[Peter Converse]

Hi Erik,

I would think that MMS should oxidize EIS as it does other metals.

On the other side of the coin, EIS, being an antioxidant, should somewhat 
negate the effects of MMS's oxidation reactions in the body if taken with or 
within several hours of it.

 To me, it seems that the two are basically mutually exclusive for best results 
from either one.

 That being said, if they were to be taken on the same days, keeping a good 
chunk of time between them to keep one away from the other, such as a minimum 
of four hours might be o.k...or... at least approach being more o.k.. 

Taking one in the early morning and the other in the evening might be better 
still but I think that the best results from the MMS or the EIS would likely 
come by devoting an even larger block of time to each one.

Alternating them in blocks of days or weeks might work fairly well but I 
personally found that the ramping-up process was so slow with MMS that I really 
needed to give it a block of several months for me to get everything out of it 
that I could. I didn't want to use the old 2 - fifteen drop doses and 
puke-your-guts-out approach which they needed to use in Africa to handle 
Malaria in time sensitive situations. I had read of people over here trying 
this and getting herxheimer reactions which were unbelievably intense and which 
sidelined them for days!

I have always found that taking smaller amounts of EIS more frequently work 
better for me than taking larger singular doses in a day.

Additionally, Jim Humble's latest MMS findings seem to indicate that, for 
chronic issues, using a multi-dose approach, encorporating smaller dose sizes 
spaced regularly throughout the day performs better than the original method of 
administration which suggested one or two large doses per day. It helps people 
handle the taste issue much more easily as well. In fact, it's been reported 
that someone can add as much water to their activated MMS as they'd like and 
the MMS will still do what it needs to do in the body.

I hope this helps Erik. No medical advice here...just ramblings of a researcher 
wannabe. Sorry for the long epistle. Consult your doctor for medical advice 
when needed.

best regards,

Peter
  - Original Message ---
  From: Nils-Erik Stromback 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:05 AM
  Subject: CSMMS and Colloidal silver together?? Anybody??


  Hi,

  I would like to hear if any one out there has tryed mixing CS and MMS and 
what the results has been.

  Best regards,

   

  -- 


  Erik

Re: CSequine nebulizer-Nebulizer Droplet Sizes-O2 Nebulizer?

[Peter Converse]

Hi Garnet,

I was doing a little comparing of nebulizer droplet sizes last year, myself.

I was under the impression that smaller particle sizes for nebulizer 
droplets were better than larger due to their ability to penetrate further 
into the lungs. Do you think I've had this backwards?


That being said, my Omron NE-C25 nebulizer (inexpensive model with average 
to large sized droplets, I think) performed exceptionally well for me last 
spring.


Ideas?

On another note, has anyone here built their own oxygen nebulizer as seen on 
Silvermedicine?


thanks,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Garnet gar...@grandecom.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: CSequine nebulizer



What I did was look at the specs on various nebulizers on line and noticed
that even between nebulizer units there is a difference in droplet size, 
the

smaller handheld units had larger droplet sizes, although this may not be
true now since Omron has come out with a new technology in their
hand held unit.

The idea of the droplet being too small was mentioned to me by
a seller of the new Omron US unit. You can call him and ask him
since he would know much more than I do. He sells the new unit
on eBay which is where I found his email, he is in Texas.

Garnet

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Malcolm wrote:

Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived
at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the
same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the multitude
I've seen for humans.

My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell something on
the basis of an advertisement, not facts.  Consider what either of these
do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and content are
not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively
delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as droplets
like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type humidifiers
make.

The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be too small
seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left
behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being
nebulized - which I think means fogged.  And if that were the case,
it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung
tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar level -
has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e.
packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with
the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a reasonably
compact and protected flexible space.

Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the minor
effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?)
why not set aside some presumed (dare I say nebulous? g) theoretical
perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the
results, not the ad copy.

One additional note; how many nebulizers does a veterinarian have to
have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come through
the clinic door?  Give you a clue?  Does me. . . .

HTH, Malcolm

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet wrote:

The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size above or
below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung tissue.

Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a nebulizer.

You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone
who sells various nebulizers and knows the specs.

It's been some time ago that I researched this for myself when I
was looking at purchasing a nebulizer and many on this list
were discussing adapting room humidifiers. If that is all you have
then it is better than nothing but an ultrasonic humidifier is not
equivalent to an ultrasonic nebulizer. That is my only point.

Garnet

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Re: CSCS as Water Disinfectant

[Peter Converse]

Hi all,

Lugol's iodine/iodide solution 5% is good for water purification at 6 or more 
drops per quart, if I remember correctly (verify this yourself please before 
trying it).

The iodine flavour imparted into the water can be reduced by adding lime or 
lemon juice AFTER waiting for the purification process to be complete itself, 
which I believe is about 10 minutes, generally.

MMS is another possibility and costs even less per dose.

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Banever 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:56 PM
  Subject: Re: CSCS as Water Disinfectant


  Jim,

  CS will kill any single celled organism of which giardia is one.  I don't 
know about parasite eggs... it will not kill many parasites because they are 
multi-cellular.
- Original Message - 
From: Jim Holmes 
To: Silver-List 
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:16 AM
Subject: CSCS as Water Disinfectant


Does anyone have any durrent information on using CS as a water 
disinfectant?

Does it kill Giardia?  What about parasite eggs? 

Re: CSequine nebulizer-Nebulizer Droplet Sizes-O2 Nebulizer?

[Peter Converse]

thanks Garnet

I agree with your conclusions...if 200 bucks are burning a hole in my pocket 
I may splurge for the Omron US portable model.


The oxygen neb looks like an interesting project for much less money, on the 
other hand though.


Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Garnet gar...@grandecom.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: CSequine nebulizer-Nebulizer Droplet Sizes-O2 Nebulizer?



Smaller is better to a point, there is an optimal size range for
penetrating to the alveoli. It's been a long time since I did
the reading on it so I don't recall the details.

I used a Mystique handheld with great results but keep in mind
that I was using DMSO with my CS, so that enhanced delivery.

When I had the opportunity to buy one under insurance coverage
I bought a table top unit.

The new handheld Omron is pricey, $169 is the lowest I have seen
on eBay but the reports on the unit are very good. It is a new technology.
If I had the extra $ I would buy one. It runs on AA batteries and is
the most efficient unit of its size and portability.


Garnet

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Peter Converse wrote:

Hi Garnet,

I was doing a little comparing of nebulizer droplet sizes last year, 
myself.


I was under the impression that smaller particle sizes for nebulizer 
droplets were better than larger due to their ability to penetrate 
further into the lungs. Do you think I've had this backwards?


That being said, my Omron NE-C25 nebulizer (inexpensive model with 
average to large sized droplets, I think) performed exceptionally well 
for me last spring.


Ideas?

On another note, has anyone here built their own oxygen nebulizer as seen 
on Silvermedicine?


thanks,

Peter

- Original Message - From: Garnet gar...@grandecom.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: CSequine nebulizer


What I did was look at the specs on various nebulizers on line and 
noticed
that even between nebulizer units there is a difference in droplet size, 
the
smaller handheld units had larger droplet sizes, although this may not 
be

true now since Omron has come out with a new technology in their
hand held unit.

The idea of the droplet being too small was mentioned to me by
a seller of the new Omron US unit. You can call him and ask him
since he would know much more than I do. He sells the new unit
on eBay which is where I found his email, he is in Texas.

Garnet

--
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information

Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


Malcolm wrote:

Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived
at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the
same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the multitude
I've seen for humans.

My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell something on
the basis of an advertisement, not facts.  Consider what either of 
these
do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and content 
are

not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively
delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as droplets
like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type 
humidifiers

make.

The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be too 
small

seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left
behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being
nebulized - which I think means fogged.  And if that were the case,
it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung
tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar level -
has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e.
packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with
the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a reasonably
compact and protected flexible space.

Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the 
minor

effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?)
why not set aside some presumed (dare I say nebulous? g) 
theoretical

perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the
results, not the ad copy.

One additional note; how many nebulizers does a veterinarian have to
have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come 
through

the clinic door?  Give you a clue?  Does me. . . .

HTH, Malcolm

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet wrote:

The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size above or
below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung tissue.

Room humidifiers do not make the same size

Re: CSCAN ANYT...now breast cancer

[Peter Converse]

Hi Marshalee,

Look at the Livon Labs website for Lypo-C and Lypo-GSH which have been very 
helpful with cancers.


http://www.livonlabs.com/

Something else I have run across is the Asparagus cancer cure.

http://hubpages.com/hub/asparaguscurescancer

It almost goes without saying, as well, that alkalizing measures need to be 
taken, diet needs to be cleaned up in most cases, detoxification is always a 
good thing and that certain supplements like selenium, for instance, are 
critical.


Another possibility to look into is iodine deficiency:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/

Here's another possibility:

http://www.beating-cancer-gently.com/

and another one here:

http://www.chagatrade.ru/

and also:

http://www.beta-glucan.com/

Someone else already mentioned MMS.

These are a few that come to mind.

A predominantly raw diet, such as the Hallelujah diet is another as is 
Gerson Juice therapy and the Budwig diet, I believe.


Blessings and prayers for your friend's healing,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: fairchil...@netzero.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: CSCAN ANYT...now breast cancer


HI, For Breast cancer you need to check out the site

www.knowthecause.com
click on shows and click on Tulio Simoncini-Watch his show on breast cancer. 
I like caprylic acid or monolauric acid for breast cancer.I would use both 
one right after the other.

Nancy

-- Original Message --
From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCAN ANYT...now breast cancer
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:23:55 -0500

that sounded a little short- I did not mean it to sound that way. I
meant it as a constructive suggestion, to help those of us reading
only some of the posts.

Thanks,  Kathryn

On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Clayton Family wrote:


Marshalee,

When you hit reply, you can change the subject line.

Please change the subject line- this has nothing to do with the
previous subject.

-k

On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Marshalee Hallett wrote:


Dear Mike,

(I just tried to send a message to the Silverlist but it failed, so
I`ll try sending it this way):

Silverlisters:
I just found out that my best friend has been diagnosed with breast
cancer. She went in recently for a chest xray for her breathing
problems, and oops, there was a lump visible. It was biopsied and
she was just informed it is malignant. She is a firm believer in
CS,thanks to my good experiences, and is also willing to try other
alternatives.
If you know of any, please let me know and I`ll inform her.
Debbie is good people and really needs your help!!!
Thanks,
Marshalee




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Re: CSNebulization Formla

[Peter Converse]

Hi Folks,

May I ask what ratios/methodology you guys and gals use for your 
nebulization if CS, DMSO and MSM are combined?


Also, in what ways do you find they perform differently?

many thanks,

Peter

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Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: CStreating shingles



cla...@jazznsamba.com wrote:

I realize many people feel it's unnecessary to add both MSM and DMSO to
the nebulizing mixture, but in the past I felt I had better success using
both than just DMSO alone. FWIW.
I always use both in nebulizing. They do different things so both are 
valuable.

sol


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Re: CStreating shingles

[Peter Converse]

Hi Garnet,

Where can you get BHT? Is that the preservative?

many thanks,

Peter
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Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: CStreating shingles



Chapparal is suppose to eliminate herpes from the body when
taken for 30 days.

I have used Lomatium root tincture to treat active herpes, might
be something to use for a while when there is nerve pain.
St John's Wort is often combined with Lomatium for viral
treatment. Herb Pharm makes a combination tincture.

Also 500 - 1000 mg a day of BHT kills envelope viruses
including herpes and Epstein Bar. I mixed bulk powder in
Organic Olive Oil, you need to take it with a fatty meal or
in oil. Keep Hope Alive had this on their website years ago
for HIV. You can also use it topically.

Garnet


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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information
Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA


sol wrote:

Bob Banever wrote:
I have cured shingles with CS.  Try mixing 20% DMSO with 80% CS and 
rubbing it on the area daily.  Also take about 2oz of pure CS internally 
every day.
The thing is for this friend she no longer has any active shingles virus. 
It is now the nerve pain she is left with. If the virus is no longer 
present or active, how will the CS help
If the CS and DMSO is thought to be able to reverse the nerve damage she 
is left with, I will tell her about it even so.

sol


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