RE: CSfrozen shoulder treatment
Thanks to everyone who responded with info about frozen shoulder, some very interesting angles that we didn't consider. We are definitely going to look into all your advice. Kathy
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Well, the very first thing I'd use is DMSO. Health store, gel or liquid or both... If it's gonna help, you'll know right away. Chuck if it really is going to be the end of the world I hope they cover it on CNN so I can record it On 10/20/2009 8:39:05 AM, kath (kathy.she...@verizon.net) wrote: Hi, just wondering if anyone has ideas for treatment of frozen shoulder. My husband has both shoulders affected, one is finally getting better after three years of pain and immobility, and the other one is now really limited and painful. The doctors say just give it time, and that it is the result of poor circulation to the area. He tried physical therapy and acupuncture with limited results, but hit a plateau very quickly with both. Thanks, Kathy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.24/2449 - Release Date: 10/20/09 18:42:00
Re: CSfrozen shoulder
Agreed about the DMSO. It would be a more efficient and effective way of doing what I did for frozen shoulder some 15 or 17 years ago now. I saw a specialist and he made an appt for me to have an injection. That I did NOT want. I read up all I could - no internet then - about various herbs, and mixed up some ointment with various essential oils. Aromatherapy, I suppose. If in doubt, put a few drops in. Probably in comfrey ointment. Maybe emu oil, too. I put it on faithfully morning and night, and it improved. Sorry, I forget what the ingredients were, but they must have been fairly easy to look up. I cancelled the appointment and went back when another appointment was due. The specialist put me through the tests and gave me a percentage of the improvement. He asked what I had been doing, and I told him. I told him the ingredients, and he said that as there was more than one, we wouldn't know what had done the trick. I doubt whether he tried it on any of his other patients, anyway. But I didn't need that injection any more. Rowena Well, the very first thing I'd use is DMSO. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfrozen shoulder
The first time I experienced frozen shoulder I went to my chiropractor and she was able to fix it within two or three adjustments. I felt very fortunate. She was a really good chiro, had been in practice a long time and had even taught at the chiro college in Olympia, WA Garnet -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Very_Low_Dose_Naltrexone http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Rowena wrote: Agreed about the DMSO. It would be a more efficient and effective way of doing what I did for frozen shoulder some 15 or 17 years ago now. I saw a specialist and he made an appt for me to have an injection. That I did NOT want. I read up all I could - no internet then - about various herbs, and mixed up some ointment with various essential oils. Aromatherapy, I suppose. If in doubt, put a few drops in. Probably in comfrey ointment. Maybe emu oil, too. I put it on faithfully morning and night, and it improved. Sorry, I forget what the ingredients were, but they must have been fairly easy to look up. I cancelled the appointment and went back when another appointment was due. The specialist put me through the tests and gave me a percentage of the improvement. He asked what I had been doing, and I told him. I told him the ingredients, and he said that as there was more than one, we wouldn't know what had done the trick. I doubt whether he tried it on any of his other patients, anyway. But I didn't need that injection any more. Rowena Well, the very first thing I'd use is DMSO. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSfrozen shoulder
Hi, just wondering if anyone has ideas for treatment of frozen shoulder. My husband has both shoulders affected, one is finally getting better after three years of pain and immobility, and the other one is now really limited and painful. The doctors say just give it time, and that it is the result of poor circulation to the area. He tried physical therapy and acupuncture with limited results, but hit a plateau very quickly with both. Thanks, Kathy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Have you tried supplements and or exercise for the lymph system? This is something that a friend of mine has just had for five months, and after all the tests, this is what they have decided it is, and not frozen shoulder as they thought. Lots of CS for infection and supplements like arabingalactan for the immune system. I have had a bout of this and this is what I am doing and it seems to be working. Often lymph disfunction is thought to be poor circulation - like hands and feet 'going dead' while you are asleep, this is not poor circulation but blocked lymphs. dee On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:39, kath wrote: Hi, just wondering if anyone has ideas for treatment of frozen shoulder. My husband has both shoulders affected, one is finally getting better after three years of pain and immobility, and the other one is now really limited and painful. The doctors say just give it time, and that it is the result of poor circulation to the area. He tried physical therapy and acupuncture with limited results, but hit a plateau very quickly with both. Thanks, Kathy -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well, I don't know if this will help, but it is interesting and might be useful. http://drbenkim.com:80/articles-frozen-shoulder.htm Del - Original Message - From: kath kathy.she...@verizon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:39 AM Subject: CSfrozen shoulder Hi, just wondering if anyone has ideas for treatment of frozen shoulder. My husband has both shoulders affected, one is finally getting better after three years of pain and immobility, and the other one is now really limited and painful. The doctors say just give it time, and that it is the result of poor circulation to the area. He tried physical therapy and acupuncture with limited results, but hit a plateau very quickly with both. Thanks, Kathy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I should also have mentioned DMSO in my first reply. I have been applying DMSO to my shoulder and it helps with inflammation and pain. I also use Topricin with the DMSO (usually right after applying DMSO), it helps with the inflammation and reduces itching and drying of the skin from the DMSO. I use the following brand of DMSO, which is on the expensive side but is a good one to start with for a beginner (like me) because it has few of the reported side effects: http://www.dmso.bz/pages/1/index.htm Del - Original Message - From: kath kathy.she...@verizon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:39 AM Subject: CSfrozen shoulder Hi, just wondering if anyone has ideas for treatment of frozen shoulder. My husband has both shoulders affected, one is finally getting better after three years of pain and immobility, and the other one is now really limited and painful. The doctors say just give it time, and that it is the result of poor circulation to the area. He tried physical therapy and acupuncture with limited results, but hit a plateau very quickly with both. Thanks, Kathy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Does anyone in your area do Bowen Therapy? This type of therapy has helped me a great deal in dealing with shoulder pain. It is a very healing therapy. Orrilia From: kath kathy.she...@verizon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 8:39:05 AM Subject: CSfrozen shoulder Hi, just wondering if anyone has ideas for treatment of frozen shoulder. My husband has both shoulders affected, one is finally getting better after three years of pain and immobility, and the other one is now really limited and painful. The doctors say just give it time, and that it is the result of poor circulation to the area. He tried physical therapy and acupuncture with limited results, but hit a plateau very quickly with both. Thanks, Kathy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
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I have used DMSO which helps break down scar tissue and is antinflammatory. I use 20-30% DMSO which I dilute with EIS just because it never hurts to get a little silver. Garnet -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Very_Low_Dose_Naltrexone http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA kath wrote: Hi, just wondering if anyone has ideas for treatment of frozen shoulder. My husband has both shoulders affected, one is finally getting better after three years of pain and immobility, and the other one is now really limited and painful. The doctors say just give it time, and that it is the result of poor circulation to the area. He tried physical therapy and acupuncture with limited results, but hit a plateau very quickly with both. Thanks, Kathy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Oh, good suggestion Orrilia! Kathy, Here is the Bowen Practitioner Therapist list. That is how I found my more than excellent practitioner. http://www.bowendirectory.com/ S-Max From: jr orrilia Date: 10/20/2009 7:25:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSfrozen shoulder Does anyone in your area do Bowen Therapy? This type of therapy has helped me a great deal in dealing with shoulder pain. It is a very healing therapy Orrilia From: kath kathy.she...@verizon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 8:39:05 AM Subject: CSfrozen shoulder Hi, just wondering if anyone has ideas for treatment of frozen shoulder. My husband has both shoulders affected, one is finally getting better after three years of pain and immobility, and the other one is now really limited and painful. The doctors say just give it time, and that it is the result of poor circulation to the area. He tried physical therapy and acupuncture with limited results, but hit a plateau very quickly with both. Thanks, Kathy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!
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Surprisingly, Hulda Clark's liver flush has been known to help with shoulder pain etc. It might help. Depends on what's really happening. Dan On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:39 AM, kath kathy.she...@verizon.net wrote: Hi, just wondering if anyone has ideas for treatment of frozen shoulder. My husband has both shoulders affected, one is finally getting better after three years of pain and immobility, and the other one is now really limited and painful. The doctors say just give it time, and that it is the result of poor circulation to the area. He tried physical therapy and acupuncture with limited results, but hit a plateau very quickly with both. Thanks, Kathy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Maybe because it helps clear the lymphs, which run right up between the shoulders. dee On 20 Oct 2009, at 15:49, Dan Nave wrote: Surprisingly, Hulda Clark's liver flush has been known to help with shoulder pain etc. It might help. Depends on what's really happening. Dan On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:39 AM, kath kathy.she...@verizon.net wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Myofascial Trigger Point Therapy is very very effective for Frozen shoulder! I am in the Pittsburgh PA area if I can help anyone with it there! This is a note that I send out in response to requests for therapists in a persons area. VERY effective for all kinds of pain issues. It has changed my life for the better, I used to get migraines and was dx with Fibromyalgia and Myofascial Pain! If I can answer questions, please contact me directly... I dont always check this very very busy forum... Sadly the training programs are few and far between, this means there are not enough well trained therapists. You will find them listed in the member directory that can be found at http:// www.myofascialtherapy.org/. You will see a blue box on the left side. Hopefully you may be able to see someone close to you in that listing. You can also email the therapists there and ask if they know of anyone close to you if they are not close enough. There may be someone that they know that is good, but not in our organization. Another possibility is to send me another note and I will post your request on our professional email group which includes some therapist that are not on the website listing. You may also find some help by joining the myotherapy yahoo group http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/myotherapy/On this group there are other folks with myofascial pain and therapists that are doing trigger point work. You can ask questions and request help. This group is not affiliated with the NAMTPT in any way. You can try to find a therapist at http://www.myopainseminars.com/seminars/travell/series_grads http://www.bonnieprudden.com/helpline.html http://www.nmtcenter.com/practitioner/ Our website also lists several training programs and you might try contacting them for a lead. I can't personally vouch for any practitioners listed in these sites but it is a good start. Ask them about their training. I hope this helps. Another possibility is to come to the training programs yourself or encourage a friend or loved one to do so. That may sound far- reaching, but that is actually what most of us have done. So many MTPT where having pain themselves (some debilitating) and found it so extremely helpful that we changed our lives and went to school to learn to help ourselves and others! (part of class is working on each other) You can also look for books by Claire Davies Trigger Point Therapy Workbook and Frozen Shoulder Workbook... big help for self care. Please let me know if I can help you further or if you are having problems. cm...@zbzoom.net In Service Mary Jo The Universe has always been generous with me, offering me the best of all possibilities. Abundance is within my reach and it is grinning at us!
RE: CSFrozen shoulder.
You wrote: I had it for a long time and told my son's friend who is a masseuse. I explained the pain and he dug his fingers into the area which brought tears ! The pain was probably due to the fact that you called him a masseuse... Dan -Original Message- From: Smitty [mailto:papad...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 2:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFrozen shoulder. For what it is worth, here is my experience. I went to a Chinese Traditional Medicine practitioner. . . . . . .He rubbed and manipulated very hard on an area on the top left hand area of my chest, I think he said it was where the nerve went through a small channel. I had a similar pain which started at the base of my neck and went down into my shoulder. I had it for a long time and told my son's friend who is a masseuse. I explained the pain and he dug his fingers into the area which brought tears ! He explained about the nerve and said I could massage the area myself, and showed me how. After a week or so, the pain went away. Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Good suggestion Rowena, I'd forgotten all about EFT. I have an acupuncture appointment next week so will try EFT along side it. Cheers, Roger On 24 Sep, 2008, at 3:22 AM, Rowena wrote: http://www.emofree.com/Pain-management/frozen-shoulder.htm This is a rather interesting story of EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique - the tapping technique) helping someone with frozen shoulder. R. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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http://www.emofree.com/Pain-management/frozen-shoulder.htm This is a rather interesting story of EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique - the tapping technique) helping someone with frozen shoulder. R.faint_grain.jpg
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My Husband tore , broke and sprained his shoulder a while back and part of his treatment to prevent frozen shoulder was to use chiropractic. They kept the bone in place while the tissues healed properly. This might be a good idea to make sure the bones are lining up properly so your therapy will work effectively. Also remember to take vitamin C, Serrapeptase enzyme , and bromaline enzyme. These were recommended here and they worked fabulously. Sincerely, Barb M. ---Original Message--- From: Roger Barker Date: 9/15/2008 17:43:20 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFrozen shoulder. Thanks for your reply Kathryn. My frozen shoulder problem has been caused by slipping while climbing over a wire fence on my property. I wrenched the shoulder in the fall but thought nothing of it at the time. Over the passed few weeks the frozen problem has set in making it very difficult to move my arm in some directions. Fortunately out here all medical expences due to an accident are covered by the govt. so I'm now in the hands of a physiotherapist who is already making a difference. You're sure right about the pain bit :-) Cheers, Roger On 16 Sep, 2008, at 4:21 AM, Clayton Family wrote: Yes. If you want to spend the money or have insurance, you can go to a sports doc, they will likely refer you for physical therapy, which includes exercises to make the muscles move. It hurts like crazy, but it works. They give you exercises to do at home, and IF you do them regularly, the muscles relax. My husband went through this, and it worked very well. That was some years ago. Now once in a great while it will act up a tiny bit, and he starts his exercises again. He works on a computer all day, so maybe it is related to the positions involved. Best Wishes, Kathryn On Sep 12, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Roger Barker wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com faint_grain.jpg
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Yep, so true, acupuncture in the hands of a competent professional can do amazing things. But the exercises in this case worked better, maybe the muscles need the movement as well as the chi adjustment On Sep 15, 2008, at 8:43 PM, bbanever wrote: Roger, One good acupuncture treatment will take the place of a month of physical therapy. I've been practicing for 33 years, so I know of what I speak. Bob - Original Message - From: Roger Barker rbar...@clear.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: Re: CSFrozen shoulder. Thanks for your reply Kathryn. My frozen shoulder problem has been caused by slipping while climbing over a wire fence on my property. I wrenched the shoulder in the fall but thought nothing of it at the time. Over the passed few weeks the frozen problem has set in making it very difficult to move my arm in some di -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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For what it is worth, here is my experience. Some years ago, near enough to twenty, I had a shoulder problem and went to a specialist, who was going to inject it with steroids. He told me what degree of immobility it had. I didn't fancy the treatment, so looked up my books and concocted an ointment out of essential oils, possibly in a base of emu oil, maybe just added to comfrey ointment. I forget. The choice was based on the action of the oils, and there were a number of them. I was scared enough of the needle to remember to apply the ointment morning and night, and quite possibly in between. I cancelled my appointment, and went for a later one; he was extremely surprised to find that the range of movement had improved, so the jab was not necessary. I then told him I what I had done, and that it was with that variety of oils, and he said it was a pity there were a number, as that meant it was not possible to work out which one had done the job. (So sad, I was a housewife and I could do the research and fix it . . . you finish the sentence.) How much easier to research it now with the Internet. Anyway, a few years later I was in trouble again in my left (other) shoulder, and went to a Chinese Traditional Medicine practitioner. Actually, he was a professor, in his eighties but looked like early sixties, trained in China in Western Medicine first, then later CTM. He said this was called the fifty year shoulder (I think) because it usually happened around the time people were fifty years old. He rubbed and manipulated very hard on an area on the top left hand area of my chest, I think he said it was where the nerve went through a small channel. It should be possible to locate it on an appropriate chart. I have never had trouble with it again. Some days after this treatment I attended my (great) masseur, and he was immediately concerned about the bruise, and said nobody should give treatment that bruised a patient. Well, maybe so, but Prof fixed me. I explained what Prof had said about the nerve going through etc. and he agreed that this was true, but still was not happy about the bruise. I mention this in case it helps anyone name the process. Looking at acupuncture charts, the closest I could spot a possible site for the bruise spot was Lu 1 on the lung meridian, but it seems a bit high.. I think he was targeting an anatomical spot rather than an acupressure point. Despite wading through charts and photos galore I haven't been able to identify the spot conclusively. Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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For what it is worth, here is my experience. I went to a Chinese Traditional Medicine practitioner. . . . . . .He rubbed and manipulated very hard on an area on the top left hand area of my chest, I think he said it was where the nerve went through a small channel. I had a similar pain which started at the base of my neck and went down into my shoulder. I had it for a long time and told my son's friend who is a masseuse. I explained the pain and he dug his fingers into the area which brought tears ! He explained about the nerve and said I could massage the area myself, and showed me how. After a week or so, the pain went away. Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Smitty, Good for you! I am an acupuncture practitioner... what you did was shiatsu (Japanese finger acupuncture) or amma (chinese massage). Regardless, for soft tissue injuries, muscle and nerve pain, it can be a godsend... and so simple! The results are not always instantaneous and sometimes people feel worse before they feel better but almost everyone eventually experiences relief. Cheers. Bob - Original Message - From: Smitty papad...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: CSFrozen shoulder. For what it is worth, here is my experience. I went to a Chinese Traditional Medicine practitioner. . . . . . .He rubbed and manipulated very hard on an area on the top left hand area of my chest, I think he said it was where the nerve went through a small channel. I had a similar pain which started at the base of my neck and went down into my shoulder. I had it for a long time and told my son's friend who is a masseuse. I explained the pain and he dug his fingers into the area which brought tears ! He explained about the nerve and said I could massage the area myself, and showed me how. After a week or so, the pain went away. Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Good for you! I am an acupuncture practitioner... what you did was shiatsu (Japanese finger acupuncture) or amma (chinese massage). Regardless, for soft tissue injuries, muscle and nerve pain, it can be a godsend... and so simple! Bob You are right. My son's friend practiced Shiatsu. We all were at a party I mentioned the pain. He gave me a freebee on the spot and showed me how I could self-treat the area. The medicos can't make their boat payments if we treat ourselves ! Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFrozen shoulder - the pressure location is . . . where exactly?
You who have experienced it or practice the art - can you describe the location better than I was able to, or give a proper name for it, or a link to a diagram? Is it indeed the Lu 1 site, or is there another name for the acupressure point? And if it is an anatomical point, what is the correct name for the nerve and the gap or hook it passes through? If the Lu1 is correct, here is a link to a diagram: flickr.com/photos/vitreoushumour/2655478072/ where the point would be the end one near the shoulder. acupuncture-point-locator.com/akubild/Lu.gif symptoms flat respiration, shortness of breath, discomfort of the respiratory tract, bronchitis cough, asthma, depressions, grief, worry, sadness, desperation, hiccups, shoulder pains, night sweat, skin discomfort, to inflated belly and limbs, feeling of sickness, nausea specific features: alarm point, helps in congested nose, stops cough, transforms mucus. Other syndromes: supports and adjusts lungs and spleen-Qi, leads down lung-Qi, canalises humidity, cools heat, keeps open the surface, decreases pains Position: 1 thumb-broad under collarbone, in a deepening close before arm muscle, upwards and outside 5-10 mms moxibustion But is this indeed the correct point? Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFrozen shoulder - the pressure location is . . . where exactly?
Position: 1 thumb-broad under collarbone, in a deepening close before arm muscle, upwards and outside 5-10 mms moxibustion But is this indeed the correct point? Rowena That's the area I put pressure, behind the collar bone, and toward the shoulder. If you feel more pain while exploring with pressure, you have found the nerve. Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFrozen shoulder.
Roger Barker wrote: Does anyone out there have any advice on treating a frozen shoulder? Are you talking about a person, or pork? If a person, how would they freeze a shoulder, and not their extremities? Marshall Cheers, Roger -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFrozen shoulder.
Yes. If you want to spend the money or have insurance, you can go to a sports doc, they will likely refer you for physical therapy, which includes exercises to make the muscles move. It hurts like crazy, but it works. They give you exercises to do at home, and IF you do them regularly, the muscles relax. My husband went through this, and it worked very well. That was some years ago. Now once in a great while it will act up a tiny bit, and he starts his exercises again. He works on a computer all day, so maybe it is related to the positions involved. Best Wishes, Kathryn On Sep 12, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Roger Barker wrote: Does anyone out there have any advice on treating a frozen shoulder? Cheers, Roger -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFrozen shoulder.
Ya, I was going to say, thaw it in a microwave, season with salt and garlic, and cook for 20 minutes a pound at 350 degrees... Dan -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:29 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFrozen shoulder. Roger Barker wrote: Does anyone out there have any advice on treating a frozen shoulder? Are you talking about a person, or pork? If a person, how would they freeze a shoulder, and not their extremities? Marshall Cheers, Roger -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFrozen shoulder.
Thanks for your reply Kathryn. My frozen shoulder problem has been caused by slipping while climbing over a wire fence on my property. I wrenched the shoulder in the fall but thought nothing of it at the time. Over the passed few weeks the frozen problem has set in making it very difficult to move my arm in some directions. Fortunately out here all medical expences due to an accident are covered by the govt. so I'm now in the hands of a physiotherapist who is already making a difference. You're sure right about the pain bit :-) Cheers, Roger On 16 Sep, 2008, at 4:21 AM, Clayton Family wrote: Yes. If you want to spend the money or have insurance, you can go to a sports doc, they will likely refer you for physical therapy, which includes exercises to make the muscles move. It hurts like crazy, but it works. They give you exercises to do at home, and IF you do them regularly, the muscles relax. My husband went through this, and it worked very well. That was some years ago. Now once in a great while it will act up a tiny bit, and he starts his exercises again. He works on a computer all day, so maybe it is related to the positions involved. Best Wishes, Kathryn On Sep 12, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Roger Barker wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFrozen shoulder.
Roger, One good acupuncture treatment will take the place of a month of physical therapy. I've been practicing for 33 years, so I know of what I speak. Bob - Original Message - From: Roger Barker rbar...@clear.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: Re: CSFrozen shoulder. Thanks for your reply Kathryn. My frozen shoulder problem has been caused by slipping while climbing over a wire fence on my property. I wrenched the shoulder in the fall but thought nothing of it at the time. Over the passed few weeks the frozen problem has set in making it very difficult to move my arm in some directions. Fortunately out here all medical expences due to an accident are covered by the govt. so I'm now in the hands of a physiotherapist who is already making a difference. You're sure right about the pain bit :-) Cheers, Roger On 16 Sep, 2008, at 4:21 AM, Clayton Family wrote: Yes. If you want to spend the money or have insurance, you can go to a sports doc, they will likely refer you for physical therapy, which includes exercises to make the muscles move. It hurts like crazy, but it works. They give you exercises to do at home, and IF you do them regularly, the muscles relax. My husband went through this, and it worked very well. That was some years ago. Now once in a great while it will act up a tiny bit, and he starts his exercises again. He works on a computer all day, so maybe it is related to the positions involved. Best Wishes, Kathryn On Sep 12, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Roger Barker wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFrozen shoulder.
Thanks Bob. I'll see about finding a good one locally and give it a go. Cheers, Roger On 16 Sep, 2008, at 1:43 PM, bbanever wrote: Roger, One good acupuncture treatment will take the place of a month of physical therapy. I've been practicing for 33 years, so I know of what I speak. Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFrozen shoulder.
Thanks to all for your suggestions. Will be checking them out. Cheers, Roger -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFrozen shoulder.
Does anyone out there have any advice on treating a frozen shoulder? Cheers, Roger -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFrozen shoulder.
Does anyone out there have any advice on treating a frozen shoulder? Cheers, Roger There's some info here = http://curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=970 Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFrozen shoulder.
Roger, Yes... acupuncture. Bob - Original Message - From: Roger Barker rbar...@clear.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: CSFrozen shoulder. Does anyone out there have any advice on treating a frozen shoulder? Cheers, Roger -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
