Re: [SLUG] advice on security compliance
Hey Amos, thanks for that. And also thanks to Daniel and Sonia. Cheers, Daniel 2009/11/10 Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.com 2009/11/2 Daniel Bush dlb.id...@gmail.com: I was following Rick's recent post about penetration testing with some interest. I'm looking at complying with anz e-gate for e-commerce transactions. ANZ has this declaration form for internet sites that you have to sign. One of the tick boxes says Do you operate a firewall that is regularly updated? I'm a bit late in the party but still wanted to add my two cents if that's OK. Some relevant points I learned during the PCI DSS compliance process we've gone through: 1. They also care not just about preventing people getting unauthorised access to your server but also in making it difficult to get data out (e.g. by someone with an inside knowledge). So firewall rules should also limit outgoing connections to specific hosts. E.g. you want to talk to specific, hopefully more trusted, DNS and NTP servers, specific upstream SMTP servers (instead of allowing access to just about any SMTP server in the world) and maybe specific yum update servers, but not more. Since rules could be added to allow you temporary access outside for specific tasks, it might be prudent to verify once in a while that they are back to the way you expect them to be. 2. Application firewalls can add a lot to the simple block everything except ports 80 and 443 iptables. I'm talking about mod_security and having its rules updated regularly to catch attempts to exploit holes in known application as they get discovered (e.g. http://www.gotroot.com/tiki-index.php?page=mod_security+rules). 3. They care about auditing and accountability - the rule of thumb is no shared accounts - if there are more than one users on the system then each should use their own account and sudo ... for each privileged command. It also makes it easier to track who did what and when (bash HISTTIMEFORMAT='%F %T ' is also very useful, not just for Them). 4. SE Linux is a major headache, I seem to be in the mainstream by disabling it for now. But it appears that once you get to learn it and tweak it properly it can add a lot to the security on your server and limit the damage done by a potential cracker. e.g. allow HTTP access to the yum servers only by the yum process, or send mail only from specific programs/scripts. The best tutorial I found about SE Linux so far resides in http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-user-guide/f10/en-US/ (I still have to finish reading it) In general - you can look at this as ah yeh, the security lawyers and paper pushers are at it again but I found that giving attention to these requirements and the thinking behind them makes a lot of security sense (most times - anti-virus for purely linux environment is pretty useless from what I've researched so far) and should end up in more secure servers. Cheers, --Amos -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] vmware server / debian kernel (testing)
Anyone successfully compiled or seen any docs on compiling vmware server 2.0.1 or 2.0.2 kernel modules for a stock standard debian kernel 2.6.30-2-686 ? Regards, -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] advice on security compliance
I was following Rick's recent post about penetration testing with some interest. I'm looking at complying with anz e-gate for e-commerce transactions. ANZ has this declaration form for internet sites that you have to sign. One of the tick boxes says Do you operate a firewall that is regularly updated? I have an iptables firewall which basically blocks all ip6 and all ip4 except for a couple of ports I expose to the internet. I don't see why I need to update it regularly. Do people use any additional application-level filtering on top of iptables packet filtering for ssh or http (aside from any security configurations that these services already provide) ? (The services I'm exposing through iptables are ssh and http. ) If not, how do you deal with a compliance item that makes dubious sense and, if you answered it honestly, makes you look bad when you're not? The other thought I had was that it could be they are conflating my understanding of a what a firewall is with antivirus software. If people (staff even) are uploading stuff via http then maybe I need to scan such content to prevent my system acting as an agent for spreading viral content. But that's heading out of firewall territory. Regards, -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Pulse Audio
2009/11/2 Daniel Pittman dan...@rimspace.net Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au writes: G'day Heracles. Sorry Daniel if I offended your favourite program. If I was particularly fond of PulseAudio I wouldn't have described it in the terms I chose at the end. Just sayin' It is just that I have had to re-setup my sound several times now with each ubuntu upgrade and it has almost always been a problem that could be lain at the feet of PulseAudio. You would hardly be the first person. I think the PulseAudio developers have a similar view of Ubuntu, who they feel did about as bad a job as possible in integrating PA into the distribution. ;) I went back to debian after having a very hard time with an ubu upgrade not that long ago. It was both audio and graphics. Seems like debian doesn't use pulse by default and it's been great. If anything I feel like my system handles simultaneous playing of sounds from different apps more reliably. -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] advice on security compliance
Rob, 2009/11/2 Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 16:28 +1100, Daniel Bush wrote: I was following Rick's recent post about penetration testing with some interest. I'm looking at complying with anz e-gate for e-commerce transactions. ANZ has this declaration form for internet sites that you have to sign. One of the tick boxes says Do you operate a firewall that is regularly updated? I have an iptables firewall which basically blocks all ip6 and all ip4 except for a couple of ports I expose to the internet. I don't see why I need to update it regularly. Two primary reasons: - iptables is not bug free. Few and far between, but not empty-of-bugs. I mean updating the rules you use to filter packets not maintaining the software that does the filtering. Is that what you mean here? Maybe that's what this tick box means. I didn't think of that. I just assumed they're were talking about the filtering rules... - ip4 and ip6 are not 'finished'. Every now and then a new RFC or even std is released, and you need to update your firewall and routing rules accordingly. (e.g. the nonroutable address space changes over time, so you need to update your rules accordingly). Must still be missing something here Rob. I just block everything except for the services I run on the public interface (and stuff on the internal loopback interface / localhost). Why do I need to worry about non-routables? Even if those two points didn't matter, if you admin the firewall using ssh, and sshd has a bug permitting remote compromise, you'd be remiss not to update that. I think this is a software update issue. As before I'm wondering if that is what the tick box meant. What confuses me is that I would have that as a separate tick box in itself, something like do you regularly patch/maintain security updates for your software, especially firewall and related security systems? That is not the issue I thought the tick box was addressing. I may be reading you all wrong here though :( So, its an important checkbox, and if you're not maintaining your firewall, don't tick it! (Worse still, if you think deny-all + a couple of permits == correctly setup firewall - you need about 15 rules I think, for a _minimally_ conformant firewall [that is, not in violation of parts of the IP stack]). Ok, now you're worrying me. For a simple set up where you have an isolated box running a webserver and ssh: I have a default drop policy on all tables; a catch-all drop rule that logs certain things; I have some stateful rules so that I can talk to the outside world and several open ports on specified interface for tcp protocol where I am exposing services to the outside world. If the default is to drop everything except a specific set of ports on a specific interface using a specific transport why do I have to twiddle with these rules? Surely the only area of concern is the established/related stateful rules Is that what you mean? Are you reviewing the stateful part of your packet filtering firewall every week because you're worried it could get spoofed or something? If so, what is your strategy here and does it result in some sort of regular update? Or do you have default policy of accept which means you have to worry about closing stuff down all the time? I've always assumed drop so I don't even want to begin to think about the alternative. Keeping on top of the whole mess is what is implied by 'regularly updated', not turning on some vendor software-sync button and forgetting about it. hm; as per my above comments. I'm pretty paranoid about my firewall. -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Any suggestions for places to do Personal Sprints in Sydney
On the google roro list occasionally you get people organising a jelly session. But I think the idea there was to get people who work from home into a situation where they can interact and maybe bounce off eachother a little. So I don't know how easy it would be to seclude yourself - haven't actually done it. http://wiki.workatjelly.com/JellyInSydney Don't know if it's still going. If you find a good get away place with all the mod cons, not too costly, be sure to let me know. Regards, Daniel 2009/10/10 Adam Kennedy adamkennedybac...@gmail.com Hi gang Lately I've been finding that between IRC, twitter spam, and all the other communication conveniences of our modern lives, it's really hard to force yourself to devoting a whole day to learning some new technology or to hack on that Important Project or what have you. I'd like to experiment with the idea of a Personal Sprint, where you pack up a laptop and all the downloaded material and books you need into a backpack, go somewhere unusual or picturesk or otherwise undistracting and spend a 5 or 10 or 15 hour day or evening or night with absolute nothing to distract from the task. Only problem is, I'm stuck for places to do it. In the past I've had some success with shorter periods of a few hours, by just getting on a train to Penrith, or sitting our on the foodcourt balcony at Bondi Junction shopping centre, and so on. But where would people recommend as places to go for this kind of thing? Limitations. 1. Must be reasonably reachable by public transport, some use of taxis is acceptable. 2. Must have electricity, buying 10 hours of extra battery time is probably not reasonable, extension cords are allowable. Thoughts? Adam K -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] django/rails
I'd like to venture something but I can't really because I only know one side of this - ruby/rails. I think you could probably flip a coin and just go with one or the other. It might come down to picking a language. If python grabs you, then django is probably the way to go and vice versa. (If you like oop or iterators, ruby is probably your thing :) ) Both languages run on jvm and probably .net; I think jruby is maturing well from I what I've read (not done); don't know about python. That being said, I think rails has more recognition than django although both are probably not considered even close to mainstream yet and are likely to attract blank stares from grizzled verterans hunched in their trenches. If I were looking at django based on rails I'd be looking at: - testing: not only models but controllers and integration (sessions,cookies, moving around); also integration with more behaviour driven testing via rspec if you prefer that to TDD - handling of test, development and production environments including the database - migrations - incrementally adding stuff like new columns etc - authentication and other plugins like pagination etc - models/orm - activerecord is nice (you've got get your head around: associations, validations and callbacks - and it takes some time if you like punching out sql) although it's easy to end up generating large wodges of sql without you realising it - templating/views; I like erb and how easy it is to print and/or execute statements within a template; there are alternatives like haml which look cool; I can't believe how clunky php is by comparison - partials - rendering blobs of html within a template or other blob; this is a nice way to organise your templating - caching: page caching, fragment caching etc; so you can do expensive things and not feel bad about how wasteful they are :) - controllers: filters, sessions; subclassing controllers - debugging: ability to debug a live controller/model; although I rarely need to do this etc etc 2009/10/6 david da...@kenpro.com.au I'm reading up on both, trying to make an intelligent decision which to use. I'm agnostic about ruby/python, although I have a faint feeling that python may be better. In either case I have to learn the language. Does anyone care to venture an opinion? Flame war anyone? David PS: I've noted that Ruby has a DB migration facility which looks useful. quote from article There are two key advantages to Rails' incremental migrations compared with Django. First, Rails provides a standard mechanism for deploying new releases to already running production systems while preserving data. For example, if a database column's type is changed from char to integer, the accompanying Rails migration script would specify the steps required to move the data from the old char column to the new integer column. To perform similar operations in Django, the developer would need to write an ad-hoc SQL script. The second advantage is that, being easily rolled back, migrations encourage a certain amount of experimentation with the model classes and database schema. Certainly some experimentation with models is possible in Django, especially if the model code is kept under source code control, but as data is not preserved through such changes, it is less attractive unless there is a mechanism for quickly loading test data. At the time of writing, the Django development community is working toward introducing a schema evolution mechanism. /quote -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] [OT] Thou Shalt Make Backups
Found this courtesy of bing.com image search: http://www.reverendfun.com/add_toon_info.php?date=2324language=en 2009/9/22 Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.com Hi, This is NOT strictly linux related but still maybe some people here hang around long enough to remember this one and help me find it (and I have an excuse - it should be hung on top of every sysadmin's desk, IMHO). Back in the second half of the 80's we lost one of our VAX 750's 400Mb disks after someone (very well known internationally today but I'll keep his privacy) neglected to do his weekly duty and perform a backup. The day it happened (the server room was full of thin dust from the crashed ceramic disk heads) someone came up with a cartoon showing Moses biting his fingers over the broken ten commandments with God's finger throwing another one saying XI Thou Shalt Make Backups. So far Google image and general searches haven't turned up anything. If anyone has a copy or knows where else can I look I'd appreciate a pointer. Thanks, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] shell scripting help
Hi,
Writing a little utility to help me on something but having trouble.
Why does f stay blank?
d...@lin4:test$ echo foo|bar | awk 'BEGIN{RS=|}{ print $1 }' | while
read s; do echo $s; f=$s; done; echo '$f'
foo
bar
''
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Re: [SLUG] shell scripting help
Thanks for your quick responses.
I think Gonzalo is right and thanks for providing that link on the bash
gotchas.
If you check the bash manpage $$ will not give you the subshell - at least
when using ().
The 3rd read may occur, but the loop won't run because that read fails so f
is not blanked afaict.
Rodolfo, when you did set -x, your output was different to mine.
Anyway I think the subshell is the gotcha here.
wow, we're all using gmail...
Many Regards
Daniel
2009/9/19 Rodolfo Martínez rmt...@gmail.com
Yes, but the last instruction is doing f=$s
About the sub-shelling stuff... in this case that is not why 'f' is blank
The 'while' is executed in the same shell
[mar...@amartir01 ~]$ echo $$ ; echo -n foo|bar | awk
'BEGIN{RS=|}{ print $1 }' | while read s; do f=$s ; echo f=$f ;
echo $$ ; done ; echo f=$f
5997 == Same shell
f=foo
5997 == Same shell
f=bar
5997 == Same shell
f=
If it was the reason, it could be fixed by exporting 'f' before the pipe
[mar...@amartir01 ~]$ export f= ; echo -n foo|bar | awk
'BEGIN{RS=|}{ print $1 }' | while read s; do f=$s ; echo f=$f ;
done ; echo f=$f
f=foo
f=bar
f=
Regards
Rodolfo Martínez
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Gonzalo Servat gser...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/19 Rodolfo Martínez rmt...@gmail.com:
'while' continues until read fails, there is a 3rd 'read' (when it
fails) that clears 'f'
[mar...@amartir01 ~]$ set -x ; echo -n foo|bar | awk 'BEGIN{RS=|}{
print $1 }' | while read s; do f=$s ; echo f=$f ; done ; echo f=$f
+ set -x
+ awk 'BEGIN{RS=|}{ print $1 }'
+ read s == First read
+ echo -n 'foo|bar'
+ f=foo
+ echo f=foo
f=foo
+ read s== Second read
+ f=bar
+ echo f=bar
f=bar
+ read s == Third read, the one that clears 'f'
+ echo f=
f=
++ echo -ne '\033]0;mar...@amartir01:~'
Yep, however, he is concerned with the variable 'f' being blank, not 's'.
- Gonzalo
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Re: [SLUG] shell scripting help
2009/9/19 Ishwor ishwor.gur...@gmail.com HI If you check the bash manpage $$ will not give you the subshell - at least when using (). The 3rd read may occur, but the loop won't run because that read fails so f is not blanked afaict. Rodolfo, when you did set -x, your output was different to mine. set -x turns on echo'ing; set +x does the opposite. I'd thought the goal was to print foo|bar|baz but nevermind ;-D The string being piped is an extended regular expression which I wanted to prepend with a file path, so I wasn't actually printing. I just isolated the problem down to that particular example. Since it is a cli utility I thought I could do it in shell rather than breaking out the big guns like ruby or perl... and that's how the story begins... whoa, way past my bedtime Cheers, Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] shell scripting help
2009/9/19 Aleksey Tsalolikhin atsaloli.t...@gmail.com
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Daniel Bush dlb.id...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Writing a little utility to help me on something but having trouble.
Why does f stay blank?
d...@lin4:test$ echo foo|bar | awk 'BEGIN{RS=|}{ print $1 }' | while
read s; do echo $s; f=$s; done; echo '$f'
foo
bar
''
and
The string being piped is an extended regular expression which I wanted
to
prepend with a file path
You mean, like this?
# echo foo|bar | awk 'BEGIN{RS=|}{ print filepath/$1 }'
filepath/foo
filepath/bar
#
If that's not it, could you give an example of the desired output?
More like this:
rprepend() {
ruby -EOF
f='$1'.split('|').collect{|i|i.chomp.sub(/^/,'$RSUBDIR.*')}.join('|');
puts f;
EOF
}
d...@lin4:image_library$ RSUBDIR='/path'
d...@lin4:image_library$ rprepend 'foo|bar'
/path.*foo|/path.*bar
It's a long story and it's not an application, it's part of a larger cli
utility to help me find and grep filenames and their contents in a project
and some of its nested subprojects so I can think and work that much faster
without having to pause and move around groping for the right file (from the
shell).
Thanks everyone for helping.
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Re: [SLUG] shell scripting help
2009/9/19 Daniel Bush dlb.id...@gmail.com
2009/9/19 Aleksey Tsalolikhin atsaloli.t...@gmail.com
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Daniel Bush dlb.id...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Writing a little utility to help me on something but having trouble.
Why does f stay blank?
d...@lin4:test$ echo foo|bar | awk 'BEGIN{RS=|}{ print $1 }' |
while
read s; do echo $s; f=$s; done; echo '$f'
foo
bar
''
and
The string being piped is an extended regular expression which I wanted
to
prepend with a file path
You mean, like this?
# echo foo|bar | awk 'BEGIN{RS=|}{ print filepath/$1 }'
filepath/foo
filepath/bar
#
If that's not it, could you give an example of the desired output?
More like this:
rprepend() {
ruby -EOF
f='$1'.split('|').collect{|i|i.chomp.sub(/^/,'$RSUBDIR.*')}.join('|');
puts f;
EOF
}
d...@lin4:image_library$ RSUBDIR='/path'
d...@lin4:image_library$ rprepend 'foo|bar'
/path.*foo|/path.*bar
It's a long story and it's not an application, it's part of a larger cli
utility to help me find and grep filenames and their contents in a project
and some of its nested subprojects so I can think and work that much faster
without having to pause and move around groping for the right file (from the
shell).
Thanks everyone for helping.
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oh crap, before anyone beats me to it; yes I could have done it this way:
echo 'foo|bar'|sed -e 's#^#/path.*#;s#|#|path.*#;'
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Re: [SLUG] bash tips (tr, cut, loops, fields, records) Was: shell scripting help
2009/9/19 Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org
quote who=Daniel Bush
Writing a little utility to help me on something but having trouble.
Why does f stay blank?
Answer (which I think was mentioned in earlier responses): The parent shell
doesn't have access to the subshell's scope. The usual way of doing this is
to provide output from the loop into a variable, like this:
PANTS=$(echo foo|bar | while ... echo -n $F ...)
Solution: Depends on the actual task rather than the example. :-)
d...@lin4:test$ echo foo|bar | awk 'BEGIN{RS=|}{ print $1 }' | while
read s; do echo $s; f=$s; done; echo '$f'
foo
bar
''
A couple of thoughts (note that I always use caps for variables for
clarity)...
echo foo|bar | tr '|' '\n' | while read S
You trying to make my awk look awkward? :)
yeah, I do caps for important stuff but I like dropping to lower for loop
and throw away variables. I sometimes also scope them by using 'local'
within a bash function.
Cheers,
Daniel
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Jaunty default folders - symlink to elsewhere?
2009/9/5 bill bi...@swiftdsl.com.au I've just installed Ubuntu Jaunty and have most things set-up ok (old install is Kubuntu 8.04), including finding replacement apps under gnome for those I've used under KDE. What I want to do is symlink my /home/bill/Documents;Videos;Music;Pictures folders to another folder :- ie /home/bill/DATA/documents I tried :- ln -s /home/bill/DATA/documents /home/bill/documents without success as opening /home/bill/Documents does not go to /home/bill/DATA/documents ls -all /home/bill/documents shows lrwxrwxrwx 1 bill bill 25 2009-09-04 19:02 /home/bill/documents - /home/bill/DATA/documents What did I do wrong? Or are those folders setup in such a way by default that they cant be symlinked? /home/bill/documents is not the same as /home/bill/Documents on ext and other unixy file systems (ie case is important). Bill -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] 40 Years of Unix
whoa jam! Fanning the dying embers of this thread a bit aren't we! 2009/9/1 jam j...@tigger.ws [snip] Jobst I started this with outrageous comments so I should honour the discussion. INIT can be a shell, but is usually not. [1] [snip] So in general GUIs use the RH brain to operate. [2] That mode is intuitive and easy to learm, just because of the way we are built. CLI is a LH brain activity [logical, calculating etc] Arguing one is better is foolish. I've never seen a GUI that is faster or less cumbersome than a CLI each in the hands of a suitable user. Anybody have any examples either way? Drawing a picture in inkscape or illustrator ? Creating a budget in a spreadsheet. Editing a document or even just a text file . I mean everything is a command in the end. It's just easier sometimes to invoke that command using a mouse and/or keyboard than to type the underlying command in some sort of command line. Knowing the underlying command and being able to call it does give you more power because you can now use it in a program; and you can make programs do things that humans can't (practically). But some commands may be of limited value when you try to do this and are often easier to do using mouse/keyboard in a gui. I don't really need to be able to script the bezier curve command that draws a nice curvey line on a logo I'm designing, for instance. Way I see it, the unix/linux shell provides a convenient, friendly way to invoke commands and other programs on the system (interactively or not). These are programs like 'ls','find',apache or other shell scripts, which the shell forks and shell builtins like 'for' or 'while' loops. When I type 'vim' at the prompt, I've just executed a simple program that loads my text editor (unless you want to view my entire shell session as one big program/shell script). The unix shell is also a convenient/easy way to set variables in the environment which can be read by processes forked off that shell. The prevalence and ease of manipulating stdout/stdin/stderr and piping is also a distinctive unix shell thing. In a ruby cli (irb) I would instead store output from a function in a variable rather than do something with a pipe. Girl brains and boy brains are different and despite years of rude comments girls multi task and boys dont. Girls *seem* to prefer GUIs. Any comments ? No :) I think most people will prefer the gui for the sorts of things that most people do. It's only when you need or want to create a series of instructions (a script or program) that the shell gets interesting. That being said, I'm a heavy cli user myself because I can load my current interactive shell with variables and commands for things I'm doing and move around and operate on the file system very easily; whether it's learning about couchdb or running mplayer in a particular way or administering a remote system or application etc etc.. In fact the way I'm using the shell at the moment is helping me to learn and handle lots of stuff in a way I'd have a hard time replicating in a gui without a commandline facility. -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Nokia one-ups IBM on Linux marketing
2009/8/28 Adam Kennedy adamkennedybac...@gmail.com Hi gang You may have noticed recently that Nokia has decided to pack a fairly beefy Linux setup into their new super high end phone. What I didn't notice till today is that they've also had a shot at making the shiniest ad for a Linux OS yet :) http://maemo.nokia.com/ What they didn't show was this: http://flors.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/screenshot13.png?w=500h=300 That sold me right there (well for novelty value I guess). Imagine being able to apt-get on your phone. It's great (and a little suprising) to see a big company running with the debian system like this and leaving it pretty much open unlike apple. I hope they kickass with this product - although it's almost too geeky-cool to last/succeed. On one of the forums I was reading people were talking about making use of the Xserver on the phone to access apps on beefier machines - some mention of nx enhancements to X for slow connections. (yes, I also know about rdp and vnc) -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] tweet from bash using your fave editor...
=$(grep '\'$nickname'\' $FOLLOWING)
test -z $line echo Don't know '$nickname'. return 1
username=${line/#*:/}
curl $STATUS_URL/$username.$format | less
}
post() {
test -z $1 status=cURL test! || status=$1
curl --basic --user $USERNAME:$PASSWORD \
--data status=$status \
$POST_URL
return $? # If http error, curl returns 0
}
send() {
testing=no
order=cat
file=$TMP_FILE
while true; do
test -z $1 break
case $1 in
# Don't send to twitter.
dry) file=$TEST_FILE; testing=dry ;;
# Send to twitter.
test) file=$TEST_FILE; testing=yes ;;
reverse) order=tac;;
esac
shift
done
if ask $file; then
echo POSTing
cat $file | $html_entities | fold -s -b -w 140 $file | \
$delete_blank_lines | $order | \
while read line; do
case $testing in
dry) echo $line; continue ;;
*)
if post $line; then
echo (posted a line!)
else
echo (might have been an error posting this line: $line)
fi
;;
esac
done;
test $testing = no (echo '-'; date; cat $file) $ARCHIVE
else
echo NOT posting!
fi
}
send.reverse() {
send reverse
}
ask() {
echo '--'
cat $1
echo '--'
echo -n Post to twitter? [y]
read r
case $r in
n*|N*) return 1;;
*) return 0;;
esac
}
test.send() {
send test
}
test.send.dry() {
send dry
}
test.send.reverse() {
send test reverse
}
test.send.reverse.dry() {
send dry reverse
}
test.entities() {
echo | $html_entities
echo 'should be: gt;lt;'
}
-- end of file
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Re: [SLUG] BBC News: 40 Years of Unix
Another one (care of reddit) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8211355.stm Might have to save some of this stuff and memorise bits of it because it sort of says what I feel. I had a win 2003 small business server (SBS) from my old place of work. I was using it as a windows file server and as way to learn more ms, and had disabled/uninstalled the existing domain controller because it was using the old name from the place I had obtained it from and I couldn't find a way to just change it. Hadn't got round to setting up a new domain. Anyway, it served files ok without the domain thing but then it starts to mysteriously shut down on me. And I'm thinking gee ms is really crap. Then, whilst looking through the logs - while the damn thing was still on - I found it was turning itself off because I was violating the licence - for not using a feature (!). That wasn't the reason I ended up installing vmware/ubuntu over it though. The coup de grace came when I tried to upgrade internet explorer on it so I could test my web pages in yet another wretched version of that wretched browser. Pretty sure I had found the right version on the ms site; installed it and found that windows would hang when booting up. Played around with it in safe mode etc... but lost patience and moved on. -- Daniel Bush 2009/8/21 Rick Phillips r...@greyheads.net BBC News is running a front page story about how Unix turns 40 this month. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8205976.stm I think it's pretty amazing to see the 40th birthday of Unix get such high-profile exposure... Regards, Rick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] 40 Years of Unix
2009/8/23 jam j...@tigger.ws On Sunday 23 August 2009 10:00:05 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: quote who=Marghanita da Cruz Can you throw light on the demise of the unix shell? Demise?! :-) I have to agree with Jeff: the only places I have really seen the shell vanish it has been moving — albeit painfully slowly at times — to being replaced by a more powerful programming model, universal scripting. For example, much of the traditional Unix shell use on MacOS has vanished, replaced by OSA and AppleScript, or by Automator. In KDE they are gradually crawling towards more ubiquitous desktop wide scripting. I presume that GNOME is doing more or less the same. My daughter created the web page for her business on her Mac. It is hosted on my server. After a morning of her trying to sync the two with the myriad of buy-this-and-all-your-woes-are-over, on the phone I talked her through a Terminal, rsync with ssh. Gobsmacked ! now she just uses it all the time. http://honeytreephotography.com.au James There are people out there who are accountants, designers, etc who just have a natural technical aptitude that can be surprising - I get so pessimistic about aptitude/attitude/whatever that it really can be surprising when you come across one. And then there are PHB's... Maybe the command line will die when programmers (in general) no longer have to write words to get things done, but instead push coloured blobs around on the screen using a mouse. :) -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] firefox 3.5.2 on linux
2009/8/20 elliott-brennan elliottbren...@gmail.com Daniel Bush dlb.id...@gmail.com Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:20:39 +1000 Just curious, does anyone else use firefox 3.5.2 on linux? I followed the prompt recently and got upgraded only to discover it's a bit half-baked when it comes to handling css backgrounds and possibly other bits of css. I've filed a bug report at bugzilla.mozilla.org #510847. To which Erik replied: Erik de Castro Lopo mle+s...@mega-nerd.com mle%2bs...@mega-nerd.com Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:43:21 +1000 Yep, 3.5.2 on Ubuntu 9.04 from the Ubuntu repo. I followed the prompt recently and got upgraded only to discover it's a bit half-baked when it comes to handling css backgrounds and possibly other bits of css. Hadn't noticed. Erik I'm with Eric here. I'm running it on 8.04 and hadn't noticed :)) These old eyes are not what they used to be :) Well, I'm having all sorts of bother. It doesn't remember logins (cookies) or passwords anymore. And using a website like paypal is quite hard because of those pesky backgrounds. I'm not using a distro firefox, so maybe there's something in that. Or maybe it's a plugin?? Trying to find a 3.5.1 build ... geez this is annoying. -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] firefox 3.5.2 on linux
Just curious, does anyone else use firefox 3.5.2 on linux? I followed the prompt recently and got upgraded only to discover it's a bit half-baked when it comes to handling css backgrounds and possibly other bits of css. I've filed a bug report at bugzilla.mozilla.org #510847. -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] kernel oops help
Hi Folks, I just had a whole bunch of kernel oopses on my laptop. I'm running Debian 5.0; kernel is 2.6.26-2-686 I get a dialogue in gnome telling me my kernel has just failed and lines in /var/log/messages like: kerneloops: Submitted 2 kernel oopses to www.kerneloops.org Everything appears to be working though. Just before the oops entries in /var/log/messages, I have ata1: hard resetting link a line after this printing out all my linked in modules Modules linked in: ... alot ... and then what looks like some debug info: Pid: 14285, comm: top Not tainted (2.6.26-2-686 #1) EIP: 0073:[b7de108c] EFLAGS: 0216 CPU: 0 [ ... several more lines of debug guff ...] Is this an impending disk failure, power problem or have I been pwned? :( -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] two silly bash questions I can't find in google
2009/6/16 david da...@kenpro.com.au Q1. why does sed lose the first line? da...@david:~/test$ cat blah the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog da...@david:~/test$ cat blah | while read line ; do sed s/t/T/ ; done brown fox jumps over The lazy dog da...@david:~/test$ I'll have stab, though I've probably got this slightly wrong. cat blah puts stuff into stdout. This gets piped into stdin using your pipe '|'. The 'while' is just a loop; it runs 'read' which opens stdin so it reads in the first line of blah into $line. Having read a line in, the while loop moves on to the 'sed s/t/T/' line which also opens up stdin and reads the rest of blah which it then dutifully substitutes (I guess the thing to note is that 'read' reads a line at a time, but 'sed' just slurps up whatever lines are available). stdin has now been totally read - the first line by 'read' and the rest by 'sed'. 'sed' dumps stuff to the stdout but 'read' doesn't which is why you don't see the top line. Try running 'sed s/t/T/' by itself; it will sit their patiently waiting for you to type lines into the terminal. This would work: cat blah | while read line; do echo $line | sed s/t/T/; done Each line of your file gets put into $line and then echoed into sed. Or cat blah | sed s/t/T/ or, without cat: sed s/t/T/ blah Or just sed s/t/T/ blah I tend to use -e to specify the script:: sed -e 's/t/T/' ... Q2. what does the @ mean? da...@david:~$ date -d @1174306440 Mon Mar 19 23:14:00 EST 2007 I got this from a google search - the string is from a mysql timestamp which didn't include the @ I can't find a reference to @ in the date man page. This isn't a bash thing but a 'date' command thing. I checked this using the 'info' utility. Alot of gnu utilities like 'date' have detailed documentation using the info system - more detailed than their man pages. (you type 'info date' - but you may need to install 'info' on your system). It says that it is the number of seconds since an epoch which for unix systems is taken to be 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC . date -d @1 would be 1970-01-01 00:00:01 UTC, My system is outputting as EST so it's more like 10am. -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au http://github.com/danielbush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] microphone / skype / ubuntu 9.04 jaunty
Please, can anyone help. I can't get my microphone to work in skype. It's driving me nuts; i've spent the last couple of hours twiddling knobs like crazy and making repeated calls to the test service. If I load audacity and get it to monitor input and then do a skype it works but it's horrible - too much gain or something. But at least this tells me it's working in some shape or form. There are lots of posts from people, some with the similar card/chip (intel HDA Sigmatel STAC9228), saying how they solved mic/skype probs but it's not working for me. -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] microphone / skype / ubuntu 9.04 jaunty
2009/5/18 david da...@kenpro.com.au Daniel Bush wrote: Please, can anyone help. I can't get my microphone to work in skype. It's driving me nuts; i've spent the last couple of hours twiddling knobs like crazy and making repeated calls to the test service. If I load audacity and get it to monitor input and then do a skype it works but it's horrible - too much gain or something. But at least this tells me it's working in some shape or form. I'm still using 8.10, but Skype works fine for me. OTOH I've had problems with It was all working for me with hardy; maybe occasional problems but otherwise quite reasonable. audacity stealing ALSA and not giving it back when it's finished. Very frustrating. Why are you using audacity with skype? I read somewhere that someone had used it whilst troubleshooting - I've forgotten the link now. I installed it because at the very least it seemed like an independent indicator that I could use to test my mic. (I can't figure out how to test the mic using the gnome sound tests) I'm wondering if it's pulseaudio. It seems more prominent in jaunty than it did in hardy or maybe I disabled it in hardy - can't remember. I seem to have difficulty with audio on linux even though I don't think I've got particularly special hardware :(( skype versions tried: 2.0.0.68 and 2.0.0.72 . Static, oss static, dynamic etc... -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: microphone / skype / ubuntu 9.04 jaunty
2009/5/18 Richard Ibbotson richard.ibbot...@gmail.com It's driving me nuts; i've spent the last couple of hours twiddling knobs like crazy and making repeated calls to the test service. What I do after checking the sound levels with a gui based application is install another sound level controller. Let's see.. sudo apt-cache search sound ... alsa-firmware-loaders lib32asound2-plugins alsaplayer-alsa alsamixergui alsa-tools-gui ubuntu-restricted-extras Yes, I know it doesn't sound all that sensible but I found that after installing Jaunty Jackoffalot some things were missing. I had to play around with apt-cache search for a while to find what I had missed. Don't know what this is about :) Other than that it's a hardware issue. What a mess this is! Found this skype forum: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=334081 I'd like to follow the advice of one of the posters at the end but my sound settings aren't the same. Seriously thinking about downgrading all the long, sad way back to 8.04 - well, it crossed my mind. I'm screwed if it's skype's fault and they don't update; I'm potentially less screwed if it is ubuntu. Nuking pulseaudio didn't do anything. Installing all of that junk above didn't do anything. Game over. -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Sound in Ubuntu 9.04
2009/5/19 Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just a short note relating to my earlier post about my Sound Blaster Live! problem in Flash on my x86_64 install. I reinstalled 9.04 from scratch and lost ALL sound. After reading the Skype post from Richard I decided to remove pulseaudio (which took ubuntu-desktop with it) and see what happened. Without further ado I now have sound even in flash! I didn't have any trouble with flash but I'm not on 64bit. I think it might be a skype issue for me but I truly have no idea and I think I might just try what you said It would seem that either pulseaudio or ubuntu-desktop interferes with sound. I would like to know which it is but if I install either, the other installs automatically. So it would seem that, on my system at least, pulseaudio gets in the way of sound. -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Sound in Ubuntu 9.04
2009/5/19 Daniel Bush dlb.id...@gmail.com 2009/5/19 Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just a short note relating to my earlier post about my Sound Blaster Live! problem in Flash on my x86_64 install. I reinstalled 9.04 from scratch and lost ALL sound. After reading the Skype post from Richard I decided to remove pulseaudio (which took ubuntu-desktop with it) and see what happened. Without further ado I now have sound even in flash! I didn't have any trouble with flash but I'm not on 64bit. I think it might be a skype issue for me but I truly have no idea and I think I might just try what you said ... nope, that didn't work either. My desktop is really sluggish too. It's the end of the road for me and 9.04. -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 9.04 performance [Was: Sound in Ubuntu 9.04]
2009/5/19 Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org quote who=Daniel Bush ... nope, that didn't work either. My desktop is really sluggish too. It's the end of the road for me and 9.04. Do you happen to have an Intel video chipset? Yeah, it's all intel. Integrated graphics and sound. I can just about live with the sluggishness (I'm not sure if it is a lot different to 8.04 or not to be honest) but I need to talk on skype. I'm prepared to try to debug or troubleshoot if it will improve ubuntu but I'm a complete novice plus I seem to be a bit of an isolated case. -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 9.04 performance [Was: Sound in Ubuntu 9.04]
2009/5/19 Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org quote who=Daniel Bush ... nope, that didn't work either. My desktop is really sluggish too. It's the end of the road for me and 9.04. Do you happen to have an Intel video chipset? Yeah, it's all intel. Integrated graphics and sound. I can just about live with the sluggishness (I'm not sure if it is a lot different to 8.04 or not to be honest) but I need to talk on skype. I'm prepared to try to debug or troubleshoot if it will improve ubuntu but I'm a complete novice plus I seem to be a bit of an isolated case. The sluggishness is almost certainly related to the video driver performance regression in Ubuntu 9.04. There are some half-fixes which introduce new problems, but for most users I recommend going back to 8.10 for now. Easiest way around it, sadly. Your audio issue I'm not so sure about (Skype works okay here whether I have pulseaudio running or not, so, hrm). It does seize up just momentarily on menus and dropdowns as well as slow repaints when dragging windows creating an echo effect so I can confirm that graphics are definitely an issue. Thanks for the advice. -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OpenAustralia's first hackfest - Saturday 13 June
2009/5/19 Matthew Landauer matt...@openaustralia.org For those that were at my SLUG talk a few weeks ago, here's the official announcement of OpenAustralia's first hackfest which will be on Saturday 13th June, kindly hosted by Google at their Sydney offices: http://anyvite.com/5qitmm44gl There are a limited number of places and a big chunk of them have gone already so to be assured a place sign sooner rather than later at the link above! For those that weren't at the talk, http://www.openaustralia.org/ aims to bring the goings on at the Australian parliament a little closer to home for most people. The hackfest is an opportunity for a bunch of hackers to get together for the day, build some cool stuff, help democracy, and share some knowledge and generally have fun. In the past I've sometimes thought it would be good to put legislation under version control. Maybe mercurial or bazaar or even git :) Than you could tag releases that get passed; run diffs between older versions; new acts that amend existing acts would hold these changes as diff patches. It'd be crazy awesome. :) -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: microphone / skype / ubuntu 9.04 jaunty
2009/5/19 Daniel Bush dlb.id...@gmail.com 2009/5/19 Steven Heimann ste...@nami.com.au Skype also failed for me with Jaunty but I simply went to Skype main menu - options - sound devices and selected pulse. After that it seems to work. lspci lists sound card as Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) Mine is: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) My skype settings were all pulse to begin with before I started hitting the permutations. I'm paying the price for getting a slightly fancier controller I fear. Playback with pulseaudio was definitely better than without. Well, I took a deep breath and thought I'd give debian lenny 5.0.1 a try rather than downgrading to previous ubuntu. I've managed to get skype sound capture working again for my card (above). For the sake of anyone who is in my situation with the intel 82801H HD audio controller: There was no sound initially after running the netinstall. I ran 'alsaconf' as root, and it recognized my card and apparently did some.twiddling for me. I then ran the gnome sound tests and almost had my head blown off; it was very very LOUD - so be careful boys and girls - let me sacrifice my hearing so that you may keep yours. Skype/microphone still wasn't working; so in alsamixer (press F4 for capture controls) I set 'Input Source' to 'Front Mic' for my first input source control; also quite possibly one or more of the muxes and general capture settings had to be turned up. I let skype adjust my audio settings (that tick box near the bottom). I was using the latest static skype 2.0.0.72. Now it seems to be back to normal when I do a test call. There's no pulseaudio on this system - I don't necessarily think or really know if it had anything to do with the problems - just a datapoint for you. I did most of this in ubuntu 9.04 except for the alsaconf bit. -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] HTTP server recommendations?
2009/5/17 Erik de Castro Lopo mle+s...@mega-nerd.commle%2bs...@mega-nerd.com Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Apache, boa, lighttpd, something else? Rob Collins on irc suggested Apache so I installed that from an Ubuntu Hardy package. The setup was much easier than I remember it being. Standard HTTP and CGI worked out of the box. I would still be interested in hearing about people using other servers and their reasons. I've always liked lighttpd. I like the conf's. I once got it to run rails and mediawiki on a really small vps and it was a lot faster out of the box than apache. That being said I think there were issues with it and proxying and with rails not that that would affect you with your stuff.. The other one I've used and liked is nginx. It's fast and light and quite capable and this is what I use for rails with reverse proxying to some backend http app servers..However I'm looking at apache again for doing this sort of stuff as well. I should add that I haven't really been researching or trying anything new lately so my views may be a little out of date on these things. -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] LVM
2009/5/15 fos...@tpg.com.au Quoting Daniel Bush dlb.id...@gmail.com: 2009/5/15 fos...@tpg.com.au - LVM is really cool and well worth the time to rad up on it. I am now going to LVM my home system. I'm planning to do this as well. I was thinking back to Mary's backup post last year and thinking if I could do lvm snapshots with an external harddrive. Still a bit new to lvm though. I think you have to install the alternate ubuntu cd to get lvm right? (unless you are using the server install instead of the desktop). The distinction between desktop and server in ubuntu is an install option not anything else. To add lvm to your existing system just 'apt-get install lvm2'. Aware of this. Just weighing up whether to do a clean install so that is why I think I have to use alternate instead of desktop. To convert an existing setup to lvm you have to have some free space (partitions or whole harddisks to use). First create a volume group (chunk of hardisk spread across one or more harddrives) sudo lvm pvdiskscan pvcreate /dev/yourpartions vgcreate vg1 /dev/part1 /dev/part2 create a logical volume somewhere in that volume group (say 300 gig named yourname in vg1) lvcreate -L300G -n yourname vg1 You can then mksfs.ext3 /dev/vg1/yourname (replace ext3 with whatever is appropriate) and then mount it. Since I've got you on this subject and maybe others reading this: I was working with a test server using vmware esx. It runs on a virtual disk which is just a file. I decided to resize the file to a larger size which created a whole bunch of extra space at the end of the disk. I made this an lvm partition (/dev/sda4) using fdisk and then I did something stupid which was to run mke2fs directly on /dev/sda4. I then tried to add this as a physical volume to my existing volume group and then extend one of the existing logical volumes. So far so dumb, right. So now lvm tells me I've got X gigs and df -h tells me I've got Y gigs (the old number). I think all I have to do is resize the existing fs on the logical volume (/dev/vg1/lv1) . I'm thinking there won't be any trouble because even though /dev/sda4 had some sort of file system added to it (even though it was an lvm partition), it never got used. But not sure if running mke2fs on /dev/sda4 has/will bork something. (This is just a test system) On a separate issue: Is it safe to grow a root/bootable ext3 partition or do I have to unmount it - the resize2fs man page doesn't say anything but I read somewhere that I had to unmount and use a rescue disk (maybe this was just for ext2)? And I also assumed I had to remove the journal, resize, check and then add the journal. Is XFS a better solution for server lvm stuff and for growing? - or maybe even JFS ?? -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] LVM
2009/5/15 Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.com 2009/5/15 fos...@tpg.com.au The distinction between desktop and server in ubuntu is an install option not anything else. To add lvm to your existing system just 'apt-get install lvm2'. To convert an existing setup to lvm you have to have some free space (partitions or whole harddisks to use). That's probably the way to convert an existing system to LVM. If you want to install Ubuntu with LVM straight away then it's a bit more tricky since the LVM package is not included in the installation CD so you have to: 1. Boot live cd. 2. open shell 3. apt-get install lvm2 4. insmod dm_mod 5. create PV, VG, LV's. Remember that you need to keep /boot on a regular partition since grub can't read LVM. (I can't remember off the top of my head now whether the GUI installer will support creation of LV's once it finds PV's and VG's. In any case it will be able to recognize the LV's and allow creation of filesystem/swap partitions on top of them). 6. install system from live to hard disk 7. mount -bind ... special filesystems (proc, sys, dev) under the hard-disk mount point 8. mount /boot under the right mount point on hard disk (the above two steps are required because the lvm package install kernel modules and run initramfs) 9. chroot to the hard disk partition 10. apt-get install lvm2 again on the hard disk. That's more or less it. That sounds fraught. Are you sure I can't just go with the alternate cd which will walk me thru lvm and still give me a desktop kernel/system? -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] LVM
2009/5/15 Daniel Bush dlb.id...@gmail.com 2009/5/15 fos...@tpg.com.au Quoting Daniel Bush dlb.id...@gmail.com: 2009/5/15 fos...@tpg.com.au - LVM is really cool and well worth the time to rad up on it. I am now going to LVM my home system. I'm planning to do this as well. I was thinking back to Mary's backup post last year and thinking if I could do lvm snapshots with an external harddrive. Still a bit new to lvm though. I think you have to install the alternate ubuntu cd to get lvm right? (unless you are using the server install instead of the desktop). The distinction between desktop and server in ubuntu is an install option not anything else. To add lvm to your existing system just 'apt-get install lvm2'. Aware of this. Just weighing up whether to do a clean install so that is why I think I have to use alternate instead of desktop. To convert an existing setup to lvm you have to have some free space (partitions or whole harddisks to use). First create a volume group (chunk of hardisk spread across one or more harddrives) sudo lvm pvdiskscan pvcreate /dev/yourpartions vgcreate vg1 /dev/part1 /dev/part2 create a logical volume somewhere in that volume group (say 300 gig named yourname in vg1) lvcreate -L300G -n yourname vg1 You can then mksfs.ext3 /dev/vg1/yourname (replace ext3 with whatever is appropriate) and then mount it. Since I've got you on this subject and maybe others reading this: I was working with a test server using vmware esx. It runs on a virtual disk which is just a file. I decided to resize the file to a larger size which created a whole bunch of extra space at the end of the disk. I made this an lvm partition (/dev/sda4) using fdisk and then I did something stupid which was to run mke2fs directly on /dev/sda4. I then tried to add this as a physical volume to my existing volume group and then extend one of the existing logical volumes. So far so dumb, right. So now lvm tells me I've got X gigs and df -h tells me I've got Y gigs (the old number). I think all I have to do is resize the existing fs on the logical volume (/dev/vg1/lv1) . I'm thinking there won't be any trouble because even though /dev/sda4 had some sort of file system added to it (even though it was an lvm partition), it never got used. But not sure if running mke2fs on /dev/sda4 has/will bork something. (This is just a test system) On a separate issue: Is it safe to grow a root/bootable ext3 partition or do I have to unmount it - the resize2fs man page doesn't say anything but I read What I meant to say was grow the root ext3 fs which is on the bootable first partition . somewhere that I had to unmount and use a rescue disk (maybe this was just for ext2)? And I also assumed I had to remove the journal, resize, check and then add the journal. Is XFS a better solution for server lvm stuff and for growing? - or maybe even JFS ?? Found this thread on file systems: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2008-01/msg01789.html Guess I'm sticking with ext3 for the moment. -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] recovering xfs
2009/5/15 fos...@tpg.com.au Quoting Adrian Chadd adr...@creative.net.au: On Thu, May 14, 2009, fos...@tpg.com.au wrote: ... Lessons learnt: - a journalling file system is bigger than what you see, 3Tb is really 3.3Tb when doing a direct copy. - Get lots of harddisk in the beginning. 750G drives really only give you 698G. It is annoying to be 300G short and have to go to the shop again. - Expect lots of wait time, hard errors on raid take a long time to give up. - Don't promise anything, expect it to fail. - LVM is really cool and well worth the time to rad up on it. I am now going to LVM my home system. I'm planning to do this as well. I was thinking back to Mary's backup post last year and thinking if I could do lvm snapshots with an external harddrive. Still a bit new to lvm though. I think you have to install the alternate ubuntu cd to get lvm right? (unless you are using the server install instead of the desktop). -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] w3c-libwww rpm
2009/5/4 Kyle k...@attitia.com hello Slug, I'm looking at trying to update my BIOS and the Intel update utility is telling me I need to ensure I first have the w3c-libwww package installed. I have scoured high low for this package in a repository, but seem unable to locate it and the only rpm's I can find all show a build date of sometime back in '04 or '05. This leads me to believe that what I'm looking for probably doesn't exist anymore or is already integrated into the base system. But I can't be sure. I read somewhere it's in rpmforge which I have enabled, but no joy. What can you tell me about this package please? It looks like current debian/ubuntu package it. % aptitude search libwww p libwww0 - The W3C WWW library You're right. It seems the last work was in Dec-06. If the rpm is no joy, you could check it out of the CVS server and compile perhaps: http://www.w3.org/Library/cvs.html#Releases Although the ubuntu package is using 5.4.0 (~2003) and the latest is 5.4.1 (2006). Might be safer to go with 5.4.0. But I'm not an expert - just had a look at it. -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au http://github.com/danielbush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Active Directory and linux
Hi, Has anyone used Active Directory for authentication/login on their linux boxes? Any thoughts and opinions on this vs having a separate ldap server? -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au http://github.com/danielbush/sifs/tree/master -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Active Directory and linux
Thanks Jeff. Wasn't familiar with winbind. I'll probably be looking at the first 2 options if I go this route. -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au 2009/4/20 Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org quote who=Daniel Bush Has anyone used Active Directory for authentication/login on their linux boxes? Any thoughts and opinions on this vs having a separate ldap server? Not a lot of point duplicating the functionality or maintenance headaches, IMHO. It's relatively easy to set up AD authentication for Linux, but as is often the case, you have numerous ways to achieve your goal (ugh). You could try: * pam/nss_ldap/kerberos directly (bit challenging, sometimes brittle) * winbind (much easier, but acknowledges AD's centrality in your network architecture... sometimes that's entirely fine though) * Likewise Open (Open Source product intro to beefier enterprise stuff, seems to be nice to use, encouraged in Ubuntu land if that matters to you, but I haven't delved into it enough to know if one should be wary of codependency problems!) I'd recommend winbind as a starting point, especially if you just want to start playing around with the possibilities on a few desktop machines or file/print servers. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2010: Wellington, NZ http://www.penguinsvisiting.org.nz/ Laughter is a force for democracy. - John Cleese -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Defining Mainsteam
2009/4/7 Ken Foskey fos...@tpg.com.au ... Hmm discounts all my work. In one company a mere 2,000 employees got to see it. Hey if my software is used by tens of people but the results are seen by millions does that count? Nope I guess not really. I am wandering away depressed that I have squandered my life programming meaningless applications... cheer up Ken. Didn't you say you worked on open office? I probably owe you a beer for directly or indirectly allowing me to conduct my affairs almost exclusively in ubuntu for the last several years. :) -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au http://github.com/danielbush/sifs/tree/master http://github.com/danielbush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Defining Mainsteam
2009/4/6 Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org quote who=Daniel Pittman I am curious about the how to bring AppFolders... part of your comment, though: as far as I can tell, with the exception of the Rox stuff[1] and the GNUStep people[2] no only really cares ... and those two are pretty much a niche market... There were heaps of projects playing with the idea a few years ago, one of thre notably offensive ones being autopackage. OLPC .xo packages are essentially appfolders, too. (Plus, how hard is it, seriously? Five lines of code?) Every time you're tempted to say that, hold it in and realise you probably haven't thought about it very much. It's like when clients say, it should be easy to... and suggest something that would require major architectural changes to your product... I sometimes think the converse can also be true at times - speaking from very modest experience. In the first instance, the client/boss asks offhandedly: Can you make this small change? and it ends up being a rewrite of your life's work or you end up founding a new branch of computer science in your basement in the wee hours of the morning just to solve part of the problem (I kid!). Then they frown and get all tentative and worried and ask: Can you do this? Is it difficult? for something that ends up being a one-liner in a template somewhere. =] -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au http://github.com/danielbush/sifs/tree/master http://github.com/danielbush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Defining Mainsteam
2009/4/3 Rev Simon Rumble si...@rumble.net This one time, at band camp, Daniel Bush wrote: I don't always like the way debian (and perhaps by extension ubuntu) modify the conf files and arrange things for various software - I don't want to have to figure out the debian-way on top of figuring out the software itself Wait a second, you'd rather learn where every piece of software you install puts its config files rather than the single place you'll find all config files with any Debian package? This, for me, is the best thing about Debian! Configuration is in /etc/. Not /use/opt/lib/conf/ or wherever the weirdo who wrote the software thinks config files should go since he started using Unix on one of the proprietary open systems in the seventies and that was the place it put them. If config isn't in /etc/, it's a bug. Yo. I'm with you man! What I meant was the way some confs etc are done in /etc. I've been using freebsd (just learning) and the /etc/ssh/sshd_config was done slightly differently and looked like it was taken from the project/openbsd with some modifications (I don't know for sure but it sort of says it at the top and spells out the rationale for the whole conf file). At the time I was setting the system up I remember thinking that I preferred it. But this extra layer of debian-ness is also a good thing as it creates standardisation. Noone inheriting a box from me has to work out the crazy way I structured apache if I adhere to the debian way etc etc -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au http://github.com/danielbush/sifs/tree/master http://github.com/danielbush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Defining Mainsteam
2009/4/3 Malcolm Johnston dr...@internode.on.net Regarding Martin Visser's comments in the final Sound Problem posting. I don't want to incite a Holdens versus Faclcons type debate here, but how would one briefly characterize mainstream Linux these days? ... All this may be just me. I haven't had a decent look at distros like Ubuntu, and this is why I ask my question. What, in a nutshell, is their appeal? One one level it's all Unix, of course, but, given that, what are the appealing differences? I don't always like the way debian (and perhaps by extension ubuntu) modify the conf files and arrange things for various software - I don't want to have to figure out the debian-way on top of figuring out the software itself - but the thing I keep coming back to is the packaging system and particularly apt/aptitude. It's gold [1]. I've used yum utility with centos which does a similar thing but I had more trouble getting what I wanted (that may be because of less experience and the fact I was using one version below current). The other thing is that debian and its non-commercial nature seems like an interesting phenomenon in itself. It feels big, comprehensive and reliable (that ssh thing last year notwithstanding :) ) but it's not backed by any big company or an overt commercial interest. Seems to me that there is definitely something valuable there in the way it brings together a lot of the best free/open-source software into a unified system that can be shown off to the world. [1] it also helps that there are isp's like iinet who provide free mirrors for debian/ubuntu/* repositories which you can use if you are customer -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au http://github.com/danielbush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Insulting racial terms (was Re: [SLUG] Re: [chat] Version control)
2009/3/22 Kevin Saenz kevsa...@spinaweb.com.au We are Not Political Correctness R Us. thus can we all Drop this Political Correctness Nightmare and start discussing Linux related topics? If only Robert had said whoa there kemosabe! Everything would have been just dandy. Everyone under the age of about 30 - spanish or not - would be going like what?. :) Question: Where does the Lone Ranger take his garbage? Answer: To the dump, to the dump, to the dump-dump-dump! [wikipedia] Hi-yo Silver, away! -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Insulting racial terms (was Re: [SLUG] Re: [chat] Version control)
Did you know that 'git' in english means, uhm, git ? :D Someone, get Linus on the line! 2009/3/25 david da...@kenpro.com.au I'm really upset... I'm white, male, not crippled or deformed or a dwarf, no disabilities, have a job, not over 65, I'm not a lesbian, or a whale. How come *I* don't get insulted! This is discrimination. Michael Davies wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Daniel Bush dlb.id...@gmail.com wrote: If only Robert had said whoa there kemosabe! Everything would have been just dandy. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7286/RANGERFARSIDE.GIF -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: useful bash tricks thread
2009/2/9 Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.com At the risk of being called an oldie, I keep using !-notation since the early tcsh days. E.g. !$ or !:2-3. You can also use things like !less:* to fetch the parameters of the latest less command. I can't type alt- because alt-shift is my keyboard language-switching combination, so I don't know how this compares with good old bang-notation. Other useful stuff: ^x^y will replace the first x on the previous line by y. Use a third ^ after y if it contains space. It's actually a short for !!:s/x/y/ ... I knew it. I knew there were more of you out there! :) That whole bang/caret substitute-a-pattern-and-then-run thing just scares me though, plus its hard to type. I'll stick with ctrl-r and vi-mode. But interesting... -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: useful bash tricks thread
On Feb 6, 9:06 pm, Tony Sceats t...@fatuous.org wrote:
It's been a while since there's been a thread like this, so I thought it
would be fun :)
so, have you got any?
I've got 2 to share today:
alt and then
alt
woo, that's kinda interesting.
It seems to pick the last word for each entry in the command-line
history?
Definitely second ctrl-r; I can't imagine a world without it.. Well i
can, I used to work with an older unix guy who used some older version
of bourne or c-shell and used !pattern (something like that) to run
previous commands. No, never again. Mind you, I set my shell to use
vi mode (set -o vi) which I think would freak out a lot of people.
I often have several files of related commands that I source into my
current shell.
This isn't a trick, more a set of conventions which I've found useful
to help keep me on top of things.
eg
% . some_file.sh
This file would have the following format:
h() {
less -EOF
VAR1: $VAR1
VAR2: $VAR2
...
func1 - do X
func2 - do Y
EOF
}
VAR1=some_val1
VAR2=some_val2
...
func1() {
...
}
func2() {
...
}
Then you can simply do:
% func1 ...
to run your routine.
% h
will list the commands and their descriptions assuming you've
documented them.
There are number of plain words you can use for your function names:
go,show,build,change,list,check,log,update,start,stop etc
You might do this to parcel up a bunch of related commands for some
area or thing. For instance, managing a database. 'go' might take
you to conf directory or put you into the database shell etc etc It's
also a good place to stash notes if you're learning something or
documenting it - either as comments or in the h() or simply in the
functions themselves. Listing things like relevant locations and
filenames as shell VARS is good documentation too.
My other even more OT tip: if you use the commandline a lot and you
haven't tried screen, try it and become the super nerd you were
always meant to be.
--
Daniel Bush
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Re: [SLUG] useful bash tricks thread
Sorry, meant to post this to the list... 2009/2/8 jam j...@tigger.ws On Saturday 07 February 2009 10:00:05 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: It's been a while since there's been a thread like this, so I thought it would be fun :) so, have you got any? I've got 2 to share today: alt and then alt for interactive shells, works kinda like ctrl r or !$ - that is, it searches your history but in a strangely useful but different way The petrol in this car meaning this message is too vague - BASH does not do any of this READLINE in bash does so say do: set -o vi and all the above is completely false, and vi stuff applies instead So 'when using bash in emacs mode you can ... bla bla' James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Daniel Bush http://blog.web17.com.au http://github.com/danielbush http://web17.com.au If we set aside all thoughts and see, there will be no such thing as mind remaining separate; therefore, thought itself is the form of the mind. Other than thoughts, there is no such thing as the world. ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Fwd: [SLUG] useful bash tricks thread
I'll get this right eventually... 2009/2/8 jam j...@tigger.ws On Saturday 07 February 2009 10:00:05 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: It's been a while since there's been a thread like this, so I thought it would be fun :) so, have you got any? I've got 2 to share today: alt and then alt for interactive shells, works kinda like ctrl r or !$ - that is, it searches your history but in a strangely useful but different way The petrol in this car meaning this message is too vague - BASH does not do any of this READLINE in bash does so say do: Well, yeah, readline is used by bash. But bash often seems to have it by default (there's usually a whole section for it in the manpage). set -o vi and all the above is completely false, and vi stuff applies instead I don't have any trouble using ctrl-r with (readline's) vi mode but I think atl- is more problematic. Guess I'm getting the best of both worlds. So 'when using bash in emacs mode you can ... bla bla' James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Sharpening an image.
wbenn...@turing.une.edu.au wrote: I've a file taken with a mobile phone. The detail is execrable. It's important to identify a couple of faces in the file. I've asked around. The best I have is to go through the file, select a critical frame, download it and use The Gimp to sharpen a given face. First off, can this be done? I haven't tried loading video files into gimp (I'm assuming you mean some sort of video file right?). I know that you can convert frames to pictures using mplayer: mplayer video_file -vo png -ss 1:00:00 -endpos 4 This will approximately play from 1hr to 1:00:04 and capture the frames as png images in the current directory (I haven't actually tested it so you might need to add the compression option in (-vo png:z=0 etc). There's also jpeg which has more options in my version of mplayer. You may need to check which -vo's are supported: mplayer -vo help I think you can also apply filters on the video using -vf including unsharp mask: mplayer -vf help A random example: mplayer video_file -vo png -vf unsharp=l7x7:1.5 -ss 1:00:00 -endpos 4 See the man page for mplayer. Other ways of sharpening the resulting images might include: getting gimp to batch process them (haven't done this); or using imagemagick's 'convert' to sharpen the images using something like the -sharpen option in a simple shell script. -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: hosted blogging account with open backend.
On Dec 7, 9:57 pm, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to open up a blog quickly using a hosted blog system, eg. blogger, livejournal etc. Some time in the future I want to extract the data (posts and comments) out of the blog and convert it to my own system (probably written in django, or using some other system). What hosted system will be easiest to extract the data from in the future (I'm happy trying to write code to talk to database APIs, but would prefer not trying to automate page scraping). I've been meaning to put some stuff up too and shared your concerns. I'm trying out blogger (google). There is a RESTful api for uploading and pulling down articles and also comments (I think). http://code.google.com/apis/gdata/overview.html http://code.google.com/apis/blogger/ I found the docs a bit confusing, but I've tested it using curl. eg for POSTing a new article (something very roughly like this): curl -H Authorization: GoogleLogin auth=$Auth \ -H Content-Type: application/atom+xml \ -d @example_post.xml \ https://www.blogger.com/feeds/$blog_id/posts/default You need to authenticate and get an auth token and know your blog id. I'm guessing wordpress has got similar. -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: network manager over writes resolv.conf
On Nov 24, 4:18 pm, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jeff... From my original post: System/Preferences/Network Configuration GUI tool fails with the following message: Updating connection failed: nm-ifupdown-connection.c.82 - connection update not supported (read only) So now that the lovely clever gui tool doesn't work, what do I do next? go back to the old fashioned config files that I was comfortable with? I can't because they are now mysteriously over-written or silently ignored! If it comes to that, there must be a way to disable network manager? Not saying you should, but I confess to having done this when I got a new laptop earlier this year. NM was working on my system but occasionally it wouldn't and when this happened I was hosed especially with wireless. I think what I did was to go into /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager and 26NetworkManagerDispatcher and disable the start scripts (ubuntu 8.04) That's probably totally totally wrong but it works for me. My resolv.conf hasn't been eaten since the 29-Mar-08. I have a shell script for switching between wireless and wired modes (involving wpa_supplicant etc) on top of the ifup-ifdown-etc/network/ interfaces stuff. -- Daniel Bush -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Steve Ballmer live rally Sydney November 6
On Nov 2, 6:40 am, Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 23:23 +1100, Gerard Kelly wrote: Hey All, Microsoft's CEO Steve Ballmer will be hosting a live rally in Sydney on November 6th. ... Make a note in your diary now and be watching at the dawn of a new age of freedom. ... In what psychotic world did you imagine this was ontopic for a linux users group list? I, for one, welcome our new cloud computing o... ...oh forget it :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] laptop sound playing out onboard speaker headphones
Hi Sonia, On 30/11/06, Sonia Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a problem with sound on my laptop, that commenced with my upgrade to Ubuntu Edgy - any hints on how to troubleshoot it? The problem is that when I plug in headphones, the sound keeps playing out the laptop speakers, thus annoying other people who have to listen to my atrocious taste in music :-) Try removing the pcspkr kernel module. Check if it's there using lsmod. I had the same problem but when I remove it, the sound no longer leaks from the speakers when I have my headphones in. I use 'rmmod pcspkr' to do this. However, when I inserted it in again using modprobe and then removed it again, the sound problem did not go away. So there is more going on here perhaps. I nice side effect of removing this module is that you will also remove the heart-attack-inducing console beep problem as well. Daniel. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] laptop sound playing out onboard speaker headphones
On 30/11/06, Daniel Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sonia, On 30/11/06, Sonia Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a problem with sound on my laptop, that commenced with my upgrade to Ubuntu Edgy - any hints on how to troubleshoot it? The problem is that when I plug in headphones, the sound keeps playing out the laptop speakers, thus annoying other people who have to listen to my atrocious taste in music :-) Try removing the pcspkr kernel module. Check if it's there using lsmod. I had the same problem but when I remove it, the sound no longer leaks from the speakers when I have my headphones in. I use 'rmmod pcspkr' to do this. However, when I inserted it in again using modprobe and then removed it again, the sound problem did not go away. So there is more going on here perhaps. Maybe I need to correct this. I think the problem is when I come out of suspend. The pcspkr is not inserted, but the sound comes out of the speakers with my earphones in, once again. Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] tailing, following and filtering
On 23/11/06, Craig Dibble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Hannigan wrote: On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 08:23:37AM +1100, Penedo wrote: What's wrong with tail -f syslog | grep ...? Buffering more or less less is better than more -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] tailing, following and filtering
On 23/11/06, Penedo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tail -f /var/log/syslog |grep something |grep -v but-not-this |less Make it | less -F +/re-to-highlight so you can always ^C to scroll back through the output then type F again to get back to the bottom and tail from there. Not sure about the 'less -F'. In my version '-F' is different to 'F' - the latter being pressed after less is up and running. 'F' works like 'tail -f' but 'less -F' does something else. I like using F not least because you can search and highlight values. But I couldn't get it to work like the 'tail -f ... | grep ... ' paradigm - ie using grep to filter on the lines: less -some_switch | grep Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] can ruby run perl/python libraries?
Hi Sonia, On 17/11/06, Sonia Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking of learning Ruby ... Yay! Another rubyist! One thing I can say, if you like oop, you will probably like ruby. - is there an easy way of running Perl and Python code/libraries from Ruby? I've googled and browsed manuals in Dymocks Library ^H^H^H Bookshop, can't seem to find an answer. This cropped up on the ruby talk list with regards perl in late September - http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/217173. Looking at the thread I'm not sure if there was a consensus - certainly no magical wrapping utility was mentioned when I last checked. You can run perl from C. And you can run/use C from ruby so if you're desperate you can bolt something together that way, maybe after a couple of beers. Some of the more common things in perl are replicated, sort of, in ruby. There is a CGI module and also dbi/dbd for instance, but the latter is nothing like as complete as perl. You might want to check out rubyforge.org, as well as the Pragmatic Programmer's Guide book which takes you through some of the more common modules which come with ruby. Reason I ask is that I want to learn Ruby for Ruby on Rails, but there's so much good stuff in the existing Perl and Python libraries/cpan. Definitely recommend you try rails out, and get used to its brand of MVC - you may not need whatever it is because rails comes with a lot of stuff but it takes time to exploit all of it (including some of its conventions). I usually install ruby from source (esp. on debian systems), and then set up rake and gems from source as well. Then use the gem utility to install rails and database stuff. Ruby gems will also handle multiple versions of rails. (Yes I know about Python/Django, but Rails seems to have better doco/manuals at the moment). -- Sonia Hamilton. GPG key A8B77238. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Can't seem to save the size of firefox browser under Gnome.
On 17/11/06, Michael Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Lake wrote: Whenever I start Firefox it starts full screen and I have to drag the edges to make it smaller. I have made it the size I want and Under Desktop/Preferences/Sessions I have set clicked Save the current session. It says Your session has been saved. Alas I login again and Firefox is full screen. Do you un-maximize (restore) it or do you resize it from a maximized state? Are you using metacity or sawfish? I can resize a maximized window in sawfish, not sure about metacity. It may be in auto-expand mode when you first load it up because it is maximized. Just a guess. I'm using gnome in ubuntu 6.10. No full screen problems with firefox. I launch it manually. Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] dualling with dell
Michael and Sridhar, thanks for your posts. Sridhar, I'm a complete laptop n00b but I wanted to ask you if your cores are on 46% or ~1MHz when idling (my spec is 2.13MHz cores)? And have you noticed any heat issues (in comparison to windows)? I went for a meaty graphics card but now I'm wondering if this may be a problem in future. It feels like the system runs hotter in linux than in windows which is a concern. --- Separately, for the benefit of anyone taking the plunge with dell, here is what I did ( I'll exclude things like defragmenting and having a boot cd with qt_parted to do the partitioning etc): I ended up putting ubuntu 6.10 on the 3rd primary partition of my dell inspiron 9400. I installed grub to the boot sector of this partition and not the MBR - you have to be pretty careful about how you tell the ubuntu 6.10 desktop installer to do this, there is just one text box where you type in the grub location and by default it is the mbr so you have to override it using grub notation (you should probably also opt for manual partitioning when the installer asks to ensure you have the choice). The dell MBR remains preserved. It's not too bad actually: all it does is select the active partition and invokes its bootloader. Having made the 3rd partition active (using a sysrescue cd) with grub in the boot sector, the dell MBR invokes grub. Grub in turn can boot ubuntu or win XP on the second partition. The dell utility partition remains intact as the first partition; and I can view its contents in gnome. The installer program tried to re-format it because it thought it was damaged FAT16 but I stopped it from doing this. I was just not brave enough to mess with the HPA at the end of the disk. A word of caution: if you press the media direct button, it will boot mediadirect (I think this requires the dell mbr), which includes messing with your partition table to make the hpa visible. When you log out of md it un-messes with it, but it will make the second partition active, so you won't see grub next time you boot, you'll just get windows. Solution is to either make the 3rd partition active again or maybe configure the windows bootloader - I've opted for the former. I also removed the recovery or DSR partition; dell provide a utility which you can run from windows to do this. Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] core 6
On 09/11/06, Lloyd Gall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys. Do you guys mail out fedora core 6 DVD's? Is there a fee involved? Regards Lloyd Gall -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html Try elx.com.au. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] dualling with dell
Hi Folks, Anyone here who can offer advice on dual booting a modern dell laptop (inspiron 9400) whilst preserving at least some of the dell functionality? I've done some research on this [1], and it looks like I have 1) a dell-based MBR 2) a dell utility partition at the front of the disk 3) winXP in the 2nd parition 4) a dell system recovery (symantec-based image) partition (DSR) at the end of the disk 5) a hidden partition that won't be detected by the bios (a process called 'hpa') which is right at the end of the disk which allows you to use dell media direct (play dvd's without loading a full os). A diagram of this setup is on the mediadirect link below ([1]). I'm interested to know if people are putting grub in the MBR or trying to preserve the dell MBR, because if you use grub, you are probably going to lose the functionality for both the utility and rescue partitions. I can see a method for how to use the windows bootloader - instead of grub in the mbr - to boot linux (in linuxdevcenter article [1]), but is this going to work on top of the dell mbr? Is it chainloading or something? The utility partition looks replaceable; also the dell resouce cd may do a similar job to this utility so it seems superfluous. The dsr partition looks irreplaceable. However I have a dell winxp disc and a dell resource cd which suggests that, if I really wanted to, I could re-install windows and the drivers without using the rescue partition or any of the dell stuff that was originally on my disk. It would be less convenient, but good enough. And there are alternatives. Then there's the hidden mediadirect hpa partition which might be a gig or two. Has anyone done anything with this on their modified systems? Whilst I'm trawling for advice: I can't seem to get a consensus on the size of the swap partition. I have 2gb of ram. How much of an issue is swap? Some thoughts from anyone who has been or currently is in the trenches ? Thanks, Daniel. [1] http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/ http://www.goodells.net/dellutility/index.htm http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/mediadirect.htm http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/lpt/a/6554 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] scripting question
Hi
On 17/10/06, Sonia Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've written a small script that archives email - it works, but I was
wondering if there's any better way to write it (apart from using
another language).
Damn.
The script is:
for i in z_bak:7 root:14 y_spam_definite:56 ; do
mydir=${i%:*}
mydays=${i#*:}
$mydir is the directory to cleanup, $mydays is the # of days I want to
keep email. Is there any better way of writing the for loop to go thru
the 2 sets of values?
Not that I can see - mildly curious to know if there is. AFAIK Bash
only has 1-dimensional arrays (in my version), certainly no hashes.
The above script looks quite compact along with those annoying
substitution operators that I can never remember.
I tend to use 'case' if I'm shelling - which is far more verbose:
for mydir in z_bak root y_spam_definite ; do
case $mydir in
z_bak)
mydays=7
;;
foo|bar|baz)
mydays=100
;;
*)
echo $0: Bad mail directory used : '$mydir' 2
;;
esac
done
Here is a crazy version using arrays:
expires=(
z_bak:7
root:14
y_spam_definite:56
)
for (( i=0; i${#expires[*]}; i++ )); do
j=${expires[$i]}
mydir=${j%:*}
mydays=${j#*:}
done
It's kinda lost some clarity at this point (!). What I was trying to
do was to put the delete settings at the top in a simple list for easy
configuration.
(I've used arrays before in a script which stores my sometimes
numerous working directories in a file so that I can call these up and
jump back and forth between locations more easily)
Daniel.
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Re: [SLUG] My system can't find Java tools
Hi Andrew, There seem to be quite a lot of resources on the web for shell. Shell is a programming language with conditionals and loops; you could for instance write a webserver in it if you really wanted to. You could start with http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html which looks quite good. Worth checking out the original classic book The Unix Programming Environment - if you ever see it. It's quite expensive but gives you an idea of unix and the shell and how it all came about. On 01/10/06, Andrew Dunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have time, could you possibly explain what the change to /etc/bashrc/ that you suggested did and why it fixed the problem. The original line said PATH=stuff. We changed it to PATH=$PATH:stuff. By including $PATH, we preserve what was already in PATH before this line is executed by the shell. Failing to preserve what was in PATH prior to the execution in this line is what caused you a problem. The line is badly written. The line inside java.sh is relatively well-written. (You have to append a variable name with '$' when used on the RHS of the above example; this tells the shell to insert the value of PATH into the RHS; similarly you say echo $PATH to view the value of PATH) You made a comment earlier in this exchange of emails as follows; It still wouldn't do what you wanted because it would be setting the PATH variable of a subshell running off the shell you logged in to and NOT the shell you are typing into. This made little sense to me as I do not understand how shells and subshells work. That was badly worded. Could you briefly explain what your comment meant. Even if I don't understand your response, it will guide me in further research. To start with, you have shell. This allows you to interact with the linux system (the kernel) to run commands and access files etc. The shell has at least 2 major modes - interactive and batch-file mode. When you login to the command line, you are using bash interactively. It displays a prompt and you type names of programs in it, hit return and it then gets the system to execute. eg ls to list directory contents. So the shell mediates between you and the os. You can also write shell scripts like your java.sh and store these in files on your system. To execute these, you have to invoke another shell and you do this from your existing interactive shell eg % bash java.sh 'bash' is a new shell; it's a new, separate instance of the same program as the interactive shell you logged in to; because you are running it from your shell, it is referred to as a subshell. It is not interactive because it has been given 'java.sh' to execute. It will execute this and return its status to the interactive shell. That is why 'bash java.sh' or 'sh java.sh' does not work as intended. It only modifies the the subshell executing java.sh. The use of 'export' in java.sh is significant; it puts the shell variable into the execution environments for processes which are executed by the shell executing java.sh. In the case of 'bash java.sh', 'export' is only working with respect to the subshell and any processes it executes not your interactive shell. When you're reading up on this be aware of environment variables vs shell variables (use of 'export' , 'set' , 'printenv' , 'env''; subshells vs using '.'; special shell variables like PATH etc cheers, Daniel. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] My system can't find Java tools
G'day Andrew,
Yeah, I think I can probably see it.
In your /etc/bashrc you have a line near the bottom:
PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/share/pvm3/.
If I'm right, thats your prob.
Change to
PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/share/pvm3/
In my previous response I was going to mention that if PATH was being
clobbered, the culprit might be identifiable from your existing PATH
ie the pvm3.
It seems to bear this out.
And don't forget to clobber the person that put that line in :D
Cheers,
Daniel.
On 29/09/06, Andrew Dunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Daniel,
Thanks. Still no success, but here is the latest.
# HERE IS MY ORIGINAL .bash_profile
#
# .bash_profile
# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi
# User specific environment and startup programs
PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
export PATH
unset USERNAME
#
#
# I THEN EDITED .bash_profile AS FOLLOWS, LOGGED OUT IN;
#
# .bash_profile
# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi
# User specific environment and startup programs
PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
export PATH
unset USERNAME
export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_07/bin/
## THIS DID NOT WORK. JAVA COMMANDS NOT FOUND.
##
##
## SO I EDITED IT AS FOLLOWS, LOGGED OUT IN;
# .bash_profile
# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi
# User specific environment and startup programs
PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_07/bin/
unset USERNAME
## THIS DID NOT WORK. JAVA COMMANDS NOT FOUND.
#
## I THEN EDITED IT AS FOLLOWS, LOGGED OUT IN;
# .bash_profile
# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi
# User specific environment and startup programs
PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_07/bin/
export PATH
unset USERNAME
## THIS DID NOT WORK EITHER. JAVA COMMANDS NOT FOUND.
#
#
Below are my original files;
/home/user/.bash_profile
/home/user/.bashrc
/etc/bashrc
/etc/profile
Can you see anywhere where the PATH is being reset in any of these?
I am not quite sure how to interpret the contents of these files.
Can you think of any other edits that may work?
#
# .bash_profile
# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi
# User specific environment and startup programs
PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
export PATH
unset USERNAME
#
# .bashrc
# User specific aliases and functions
# Source global definitions
if [ -f /etc/bashrc ]; then
. /etc/bashrc
fi
###
#
# /etc/bashrc
# System wide functions and aliases
# Environment stuff goes in /etc/profile
# by default, we want this to get set.
# Even for non-interactive, non-login shells.
if [ `id -gn` = `id -un` -a `id -u` -gt 99 ]; then
umask 002
else
umask 022
fi
# are we an interactive shell?
if [ $PS1 ]; then
case $TERM in
xterm*)
PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne \033]0;[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
${PWD}\007'
;;
*)
;;
esac
[ $PS1 = \\s-\\v\\\$ ] PS1=[EMAIL PROTECTED] \W]\\$
if [ -z $loginsh ]; then # We're not a login shell
for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh; do
if [ -x $i ]; then
. $i
fi
done
fi
fi
unset loginsh
# PVM environement
export PVM_RSH=/usr/bin/rsh
export PVM_ROOT=/usr/share/pvm3
export PVMD_NOHOLD=ON
export PVM_TMP=/var/run/pvm3
export XPVM_ROOT=/usr/X11R6/lib/xpvm/
export
PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/share/pvm3/
##
#
# /etc/profile -*- Mode: shell-script -*-
# (c) MandrakeSoft, Chmouel Boudjnah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
loginsh=1
# Users generally won't see annoyng core files
[ $UID = 0 ] ulimit -S -c 100 /dev/null 21
if ! echo ${PATH} |grep -q /usr/X11R6/bin ; then
PATH=$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin
fi
if [ $UID -ge 500 ] ! echo ${PATH} |grep -q /usr/games ; then
export PATH=$PATH:/usr/games
fi
umask 022
USER=`id -un`
LOGNAME=$USER
MAIL=/var/spool/mail/$USER
HISTCONTROL=ignoredups
HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname`
HISTSIZE=1000
if [ -z $INPUTRC -a ! -f $HOME/.inputrc ]; then
INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc
fi
# some old programs still use it (eg: man), and it is also
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Re: [SLUG] My system can't find Java tools
Hi Andrew On 25/09/06, Andrew Dunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed Java SDK 1.4.2_07 a year or so ago on my Linux system in; /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_07/ In /etc/profile.d/ there is a file named java.sh the contents of this file are as follows; export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_07/bin/ I believe this script is supposed to execute at login and allow Java tools to be used from any directory. It all worked fine. I could execute Java commands from any directory. Recently I connected a router to provide ADSL connectivity to the Internet. When I did this I noticed that my command prompt changed from; [EMAIL PROTECTED] username]$ to [EMAIL PROTECTED] username]$ As soon as the router was connected I found I could no longer get Java commands to work from anywhere. All I get is error messages such as; bash: java: command not found What has happened? Has an environment variable been changed? Well, it looks like your PATH variable no longer contains the path to your java progs. Which means that java.sh isn't being run when you log into your shell OR maybe it is, but then your settings are being overwritten by some other script which is resetting your path variable. Here is the result of echo $PATH; [EMAIL PROTECTED] username]$ echo $PATH /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/share/pvm3/ This confirms your PATH is not updated. I tried executing java.sh as follows; [EMAIL PROTECTED] profile.d]$ java.sh bash: java.sh: command not found It doesn't know where to find java.sh. It will look at $PATH for this and there is no path to where java.sh is stored (ie /etc/profile.d/). So trying to execute java.sh like the above won't work. But, you probably don't want to have /etc/profile.d in your path because it is meant for configuring your shell at login time. I thought this comand would cause the script to execute, but it did not. How do I execute this script? If you executed it like this: sh /etc/profile.d/java.sh It still wouldn't do what you wanted because it would be setting the PATH variable of a subshell running off the shell you logged in to and NOT the shell you are typing into. At your command prompt, you could do this: . /etc/profile.d/java.sh The '.' means to execute the file in your current shell. This should update your PATH. Or you could manually execute the contents of java.sh at the prompt which is what you did here: I then manually executed the contents of java.sh as root by executing the line of code contained in it as a command from the command prompt as follows; [EMAIL PROTECTED] username]# export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_07/bin/ Then root could access Java commands OK, but username could not. I then manually executed the contents of java.sh as username using the same method. [EMAIL PROTECTED] username]$ export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_07/bin/ Then username could access Java commands OK. It seems that execution of the java.sh script at login is not working. Could this be asscociated with the change in host from localhost to myISP when I connected the router? This is after all the event that seemed to trigger this entire problem. How do I cause Java tools to automatically be accessable from all directories as they once were? The problem might be a side-effect of the change but it isn't really the same issue. I assume you are using bash? /etc/profile.d is used by /etc/profile. Also see /etc/bashrc. For whatever reason, your java.sh is not being run when your shell is configured at login time or you PATH variable is being clobbered by some other script. A quick fix would be to modify your personal bash profile file and test it to see if it works: This is usually in /home/user/.bash_profile. Add the code from java.sh into the bottom of this file. ie export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_07/bin/ When you log in after making the change check PATH: echo $PATH Or try a java command. Then look around in /home/user/.bash_profile, .bashrc , /etc/bashrc, /etc/profile to see if your PATH variable is being reset somewhere. Rgds Daniel. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Problem with Apache after upgrade: how do I turn off Jakarta or gte a mod_so.info file?
G'day Michael, On 19/09/06, Michael Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I got my apache working via a cludge. I moved the mod_jk.so in /usr/lib/apache/1.3/ to one level up :-) Hence apache ain't looking for it no more. I also did a apache-modconf apache-perl disable mod_sk which didn't complain. apache then started OK. Now what should I do? Sorry can't help much. I had to set up mod_jk and mod_jk2 on apache2 last year (the latter is deprecated). From your post I can't tell how much you know about it. Basically we used it to connect to tomcat, so that on certain url's apache would pass thru the request. If you are also running Tomcat there in the background, you might have broken something or someone's java project (or at least the connection to it). I didn't know there was any connection with perl although it looks like you are using perl to configure apache (?) which I can't help you with. Can't help on the .info thing. For mod_jk setup, I had a LoadModule directive which pointed to the mod_jk.so file, and then several other things besides including links to tomcat connector files: LoadModulejk_module /usr/local/tomcat5.0-connector/native/apache-2.0/mod_jk.so # Declare the module for IfModule directive (remove this line on Apache 2.0.x) #AddModule mod_jk.c # Where to find workers.properties JkWorkersFile /usr/local/tomcat5.0-connector/conf/workers.properties ... etc ... (this was a non-debian apache setup) Rgds Daniel. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OOPS .. contd.
On 12/15/05, Adam Felix Bogacki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have an /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit file or similar?Tux:/# find -name rc.sysinit -print./opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinitI should mention that rc.sysinit is very redhat-ish. With a debian-like system you are more likely to have something like /etc/rcS.d/set up scripts. Which looks like what you've got. So I think I might be confusing you more with regional linux differences. I really don't know about using the ltsp rc.sysinit you mentioned; that's a thin-client software or something - it's not part of your system proper. In general it sounds like there are some fundamentals going wrong with your system (not least file permissions, mounts and partitions) which is good in one sense, because the fix might not be too hard and might get everything working properly all of a sudden. Sorry, I can't untangle it - too many things to track. Daniel ps with the old kernel, if you compiled it, you might find it wherever you built it and it might have an 'x' in its name: vmlinux* - presumably uncompressed. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] man pages without the colour
On 12/3/05, Matthew Hannigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 10:13:03PM +1100, Daniel Bush wrote: Thanks Ken. I forgot about directly piping it like that. But I still got the colour in less.I was stumped for a while before trying
my famous sed mangling-script again: man xyz | sed -e 's/.^H//g' | less and lo! crisp white manpages did materialise before me! Ugly hack though.I think the standard thing to use is
col -bIt has roughly the same effect as that sed.
Yup. That's neater. Thanks.
So my current solution is to re-write man using a bash function which I've put in my .bash_profile file:
---
function man() {
if [ -z $1 ]; then
echo No arguments provided. 2
else
/usr/bin/man $* | col -b | less
fi
}
---
Cheers,
Daniel
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[SLUG] man pages without the colour
Hi Folks,Does anyone have a way of turning off the wretched colouring used by the manpage system (specifically on debian) ?It conflicts with the colour backgrounds I'm using so, ironically, all the bits it is highlighting like titles are virtually unreadable - it's like they assume everyone uses a white terminal or something. Colour in manpages is one bit of progress I can do without.(I'm aware of nroff and groff and /etc/manpath.config; even tried to mangle their output using sed)Thanks,Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] man pages without the colour
On 12/2/05, Ken Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 20:14 +1100, Daniel Bush wrote: (I'm aware of nroff and groff and /etc/manpath.config; even tried to mangle their output using sed)try man xyz | lessman is context aware and if it not a console (ie pipe) it possibly will not highlight.Thanks Ken.I forgot about directly piping it like that.But I still got the colour in less. I was stumped for a while before trying my famous sed mangling-script again: man xyz | sed -e 's/.^H//g' | lessand lo! crisp white manpages did materialise before me!Ugly hack though.(The ^H may or may not have something to do with the -c flag for nroff)Daniel. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] OOPS .. 2.6.14 install via Gentoo Live/SysRescue CD
Adam,
There's not much help I can give. But I've added some comments below.
On 11/29/05, Adam Felix Bogacki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I found I had a kernel problem after trying to install dependencies for'scribes' in succession when on rebootI could not get back into my 2.6.5 linux drive.An early error message was ..Error inserting genrtc
(lib/modules.2.6.5-1-686/kernel/drivers/char/genrtc.ko): Device orresource busy./etc/init.d/syslog start.. and laterKernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
Are you sure there is no way you could get 2.6.5 back up and
running rather than trying to compile and boot a new kernel on an
already-broken system based on 2.6.14 as you tried below?
...
After a bit of fiddling with /etc/lilo.conf I finally manged to bootinto my own drive with the following messages
which I reproduce manually in some detail in the hope that they meansomething to someone ..---
Not running depmod because /lib/modules/2.6.14 is not writableLoading modules ..grep: error while loading shared libraries libpcre.so.3: cannot openshared object file: No such file or directoryFATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.14/modules.dep: No such file or
directoryCreating device-mapper files[screen moves .]/etc/rc5.d/S19autofs: line33: basename: command not found...
...
Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable Tux tty1Tux login: adamPassword:
-.. so I was in on tty1 at run-level 1I quickly found that only my Linux root and WinXP partitions were
auto-mounted - both specified in /etc/lilo.conf- and I had to manually mount all other partitions except swap (which Icould not quite work out how to do).
swapon / swapoff
You can use it on files too. (Also see mkswap - not that I think you need it here, though).
Do you have an /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit file or similar?
You can see how the bootup shell script uses swapon and the 'mount'
command to do stuff (like mounting root dir read-only before going
read-write).
Finally,Tux: /home/adam/linux-2.6.14# make modules_installif [ -r System.map
-a -x /sbin/depmod ] ; then /sbin/depmod -ae -FSystem.map 2.6.14; fiTux: /lib/modules# ls0.0.0 2.4.18-bf2.4 2.4.25-1-686 2.6.14 2.6.5-1-686Tux: /lib/modules/2.6.14# lsbuild modules.ccwmap modules.inputmap
modules.seriomap sourcemodules.dep modules.isapnpmap modules.symbolskernel modules.alias modules.ieee1394map modules.pcimap modules.usbmap.As it now stands, I can boot into WinXP on which this is written and
2.6.14 at willbut the latter is text mode (init 1),I have to mount other partitionsmanually,have no access to the internet preventing a dist-upgrade, and no X-server.
If you mean runlevel 1, then is your networking script file
('network') in /etc/rc1.d (or similar) prefixed with a K or an S?
On my system it is a 'K' - which means any networking will be killed
(an 'S' means it will be started if not already on). Runlevel 1
on my system has a lot of K's and not a lot of S's. (The shell script
file that manages changes in runlevels on my system is /etc/rc/rc.d.)
You can start your rc* scripts manually using something like
./XXXnetwork start ( or 'restart')
(in the directory the file is in or just go to init.d). There's also often /sbin/service (in redhat at least)
Also, telinit can be used to change runlevels. (see man
page) Might be better to run that than starting up stuff in
isolation. However, it looks like all your /etc/rc* scripts are
failing to run which probably relates to your mount problem -- really,
really not sure..
/etc/fstab exists and I don't understand why it does not mount allpartitions at start-up.
This may relate to the sysinit file I was mentioning about above (or it may not).
There is a cryptic note in my sysinit file saying that contrary to
standard usage, file systems are NOT unmounted in single user
mode. Anyway, this hints to the fact that changing runlevels may
not only change the services but may possibly also change what is
mounted.
Only other things I can think of are:
mount -a
will try to mount everything in fstab.
mount -a -t nocomma-list of file system types
will mount all available systems except those types that come after
'no'. You might see stuff like that in your sysinit file.
Check /etc/mtab to see what was mounted at startup and any other invocations of 'mount' that you ran after that.
Check /proc/mounts to see mounts...
I have correctly AFAIK set up /etc/init.d/network but there is nointernet connection.
Dumb question: you did start it? (as per a previous comment above).
Are your interfaces up? (ifconfig)
I feel I've achieved something but have not yet arrived at a working system.
You really sure you can't resurrect your old system?
Daniel
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Re: [SLUG] Help Me - C codes
On 11/27/05, Beav Petrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sluggers, I run these codes I copied from a tutorial book. The print out is 24, correct factorial of 4 (4*3*2*1). But y is 0 (y 1) finally and return value of 1 so how is it 24 instead of 1 is printed ? Please help me understand. Many thanks. Do not flame me, please. I am a newbie. Beav Hi Beav, Factorial is a recursive function. So, what happens when you say factorial(4) (in main) ? Your factorial function returns y*factorial(y-1), so you get: factorial(4) = 4 * factorial(3). Now you have to solve factorial(3), which also uses y*factorial(y-1), so: factorial(3) = 3 * factorial(2) So substitute this back into the previous _expression_: factorial(4) = 4 * ( 3 * factorial(2) ) Keep solving factorail for y = 2,1... Eventually you get factorial(4) = 4 * ( 3 * ( 2 * 1 * factorial(0) ) ) and as you said, factorial(0) returns 1 (as it should mathematically ie 0! ) Hope that helps. Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Help Me - C codes
On 11/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought by definition y! = y * (y-1) * (y-2) *
... * 1
so the function should be:
int
factorial(int
y){ if
( y
=1){
return 1;
}
else
{
return (y * factorial(y -
1));
}}
yiz
I think you mean y==1 not y=1. I love getting that wrong.
I've had hours of fun with that type of error (in _javascript_).
IIRC, 0! = 1. There's a reason for it somewhere. This is satsified by the original function definition.
I think you might get infinite recursion if you try factorial(0) for a version using y==1.
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Re: [SLUG] C Gurus
On 11/22/05, Crossfire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip] U ... Coding 3. #include stdio.h #include stdlib.h #include string.h
char * somefunction() { char *string2 = some words; return string2; } int main (void)
{ char *string; string = somefunction(); printf (\n\nString is: %s\n\n, string); return 0;
} O Plameras was once rumoured to have said: After somefunction() returns, it has the address of the first character in some words. I assign that address to string. I print the contents of that address up
to character '\0'. This is done by printf. This is a fundamental concept you're missing.No, you're missing it.Here's a slightly nastier example[1] whichdemonstrates why what you're doing is wrong and should not be done.
---BEGIN---#include stdio.h#include stdlib.h#include string.hchar *somefunction(){auto char string2[] = some words;return string2;
}voidanotherfunction(){auto inti,r[50];/* build a 'random' sequence on the stack to prove the point. */for (i = 0; i 50; i++) {r[i] = (i*13)%256;
}}int main (void){char *string;string = somefunction();anotherfunction();printf (\n\nString is: %s\n\n, string);return 0;
}---END---string still contains a pointer to the start of the string somewords, right?Now, before chickening out and running it, predict the outcome.This is why you don't return pointers from stuff defined in local
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Wow, I remember when this thread had just 3 messages.
Anyway, just trying to clarify from the above code:
string2 is a pointer to an automatic variable - a character
array? Very bad to pass this address back to main().
But if you had said
char * string2 = some words
or even
auto char * string2 = some words
it will work (at least as I've just tested with gcc) because you've
initialised a pointer to a string literal, which pretty much is set in
stone for the life of the program. (Nor can you alter its contents)
So:
1) char string2[] = string literal;
- string2 is created
with separate location (an address on the stack in the above code) to
string literal and string literal is copied into it.
2) char *string2 = string literal;
- string2 holds an address of string literal which is not on the stack
Daniel.
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Re: [SLUG] python/irc ?
On 11/8/05, Mark Johnathan Greenaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 04:55:52PM +1100, David wrote: I'm trying to learn Python, and running into some really simple problems. Is there a newbie oriented #python on irc somewhere? or something similar? Google was unhelpful :(Yes, there's a #python channel on irc.freenode.net. There's a goodcollection of introductory material at http://www.python.org/doc/Intros.html--Mark--SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html I know irc was the topic but in terms of general resources diveintopython.org also looks very good for beginners and up. (http://diveintopython.org/toc/index.html). -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] postgresql-dump catch-22 ?
Hi Adam, I remember having trouble going from postgres 7.2 to postgres 7.3 when i upgraded distros. I was using redhat at the time. I think, I uninstalled the new version (7.3) - which was failing to start because of the older format databases I was using - and reinstalled the old version (7.2). Running as 7.2, I then dumped the databases I had been using: pg_dump -U user_name database_name dump_file I must have taken a backup of the raw files too as insurance and then deleted them and installed 7.3 as a completely clean install. Then after the new postmaster was up and running, I reinstalled the databases with something like psql -U user_name database_name dump_file (You have to create the database first using 'createdb' at the shell or CREATE DATABASE as the sql prompt.) I don't know if that's the way it's meant to be done but I got there in the end. Cheers, Daniel. On Sat, 2005-05-21 at 19:29, Adam Bogacki wrote: Hmm .. I seem to have reached a catch-22. I had 7.2 installed, apt-upgraded to 7.8.4 I tried to apt-remove and then reinstall postgres, which may have just removed parts of 7.2 When I try to run 'postgresql-dump', it fails telling me it cannot start the postmaster. Tux:~# su -s /bin/bash - postgres [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ postgresql-dump -t db.out -dcivlp $PGDATA/../data.save Stopping and restarting the postmaster /var/lib/postgres/dumpall/7.2/postmaster -D /var/lib/postgres/data -p 5431 -o - d0 /var/lib/postgres/dumpall/7.2/postmaster: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Failed to start the postmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ nohup postmaster logfile 21 /dev/null [1] 9291 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ postgresql-dump -t db.out -dcivlp $PGDATA/../data.save Stopping and restarting the postmaster /var/lib/postgres/dumpall/7.2/postmaster -D /var/lib/postgres/data -p 5431 -o - d0 /var/lib/postgres/dumpall/7.2/postmaster: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Failed to start the postmaster [1]+ Exit 1 nohup postmaster logfile 21 /dev/null [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ps ax | grep postmaster 9428 pts/4S+ 0:00 grep postmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ps -ef | grep postmaster postgres 9430 9135 0 20:09 pts/400:00:00 grep postmaster But when I try to start the postmaster Tux:~# /etc/init.d/postgresql restart Stopping PostgreSQL database server: postmasterpg_ctl: could not find /var/lib/p ostgres/data/postmaster.pid Is postmaster running? . Starting PostgreSQL database server: postmaster(FAILED) ERROR: The database is in an older format that cannot be read by version 7.4 of PostgreSQL. Run postgresql-dump to dump the old database and to reload it in the new format. *** READ /usr/share/doc/postgresql/README.Debian.migration.gz FIRST! *** The version 7.4 postmaster cannot be started until this is done. .. it tells me to run postgresql-dump. I confess to being a postgres newbie, but there has to be a way around. Adam Bogacki, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] I wish to lowercase a character in a sed script
Michael Lake wrote:
Hi all
I have a titles.html file from someone that has several hundred
authors listed in a table. e.g. trtd class=col1a
href=111_12.htmlAgrawal, B.M. and Kumar, Virendra/a/td
At present the above link goes to the top of that file (the contents
of that journal issue) but I want the link to directly go to the
authors article in that directory. There are already name anchors in
the file but they are lower case such as: a name=agrawal/a
The script below will take extract the authors name from after the
link so that a href=111_12.htmlAgrawal, B.M becomes
a href=111_12.html#AgrawalAgrawal, B.M
but the name anchors in the many journal files are all lower case like
this:
a name=agrawal/a
thus my links don't work.
#!/bin/bash
# trtd class=col1a href=111_12.htmlAgrawal, B.M. and Kumar,
Virendra/a/td
# trtd class=col1a href=111_12.html#AgrawalAgrawal, B.M. and
Kumar, Virendra/a/td
cat titles.html | sed 's/col1a
href=\(.*\)\.html\([A-Z][a-z]*\),/col1a href=\1.html#\2\2,/'
test.html
How can I lower case the anchors i.e. #Agrawal to #agrawal? I know
that tr can do that but the above is in a sed script adn I can't use
tr there.
sed does not have a lower function.
Maybe I have to do in two passes somehow?
Ouch. Do you have to use sed?
If you have perl installed, you could replace
sed '...'
with
perl -ne '...'
and you could probably solve the problem with something like:
cat titles.html | perl -ne 'm/\.html([^,]{1,}),/; $name=lc($1); $_
=~ s/\.html/\.html#$name/; print $_;'
That may be clumsy by perl standards, but I think it works at least if
you have one instance per line in the html file.
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Re: [SLUG] How do I mount an audio Cd ?
Rod Butcher wrote: I have some audio cds I need to edit. How can I mount them so I can open the audio track in an audio editor, or at least copy the track to .wav ? I get /dev/cdrom: Input/output error mount: /dev/cdrom: can't read superblock if I try to mount it On windows I used to be able to see the audio tracks as files in the file browser. thanks Rod --- Brought to you by a penguin, a gnu and a camel On my redhat9 -based system I have cdparanoia already installed. To rip track 2, you do something like: cdparanoia 2-2 output.wav More options listed on the manpage. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Insert text at the beginning of a file
Dan Treacy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ouch a problem begging for perl as a solution! James Probably, but seeing as though my shell skills are half a step above totally crap and my perl skills are 4 steps below shell it is :-) And thanks everyone for your suggestions I haven't had a chance to test any of them out. maybe tonight. Dan. If you're talking about inserting text at the beginning of a file, than perl has a tidy way of doing it all for you: $ perl -pi -e s/^/foobar\n/ if ($.==1); test.file That's pretty easy! See the 'perlrun' manpage. Doesn't seem to work if test.file is empty ie 0 lines. Nice variation where you can say '-i.orig' and you will have the original stored with a '.orig' extension, or whatever you want. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] iptables (debian)
Hi Rene, That's bang on the money! And for a bonus, you've told me how to get a separate firewall log file without having to do too much extra work. You've seriously made my day. Thanks. My thanks also goes to Andrew and Julian for helpful extras in earlier posts. Cheers, Daniel. On 18:37 21-12-2003, Rene Cunningham wrote: On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 02:26:40PM +1100, Daniel Bush wrote: example (iptables 'seems' to print this both to tty and /var/log/messages... ) - IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=63.154.36.125 DST=203.206.0.244 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=110 ID=12283 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=3830 DPT=135 WINDOW=8760 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=63.154.36.125 DST=203.206.0.244 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=110 ID=12305 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=3830 DPT=135 WINDOW=8760 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 - You need to configure klogd to display messages with loglevels lower than what your logging with iptables. Any sane firewall shouldnt be logging these messages lower than KERN_WARNING (4). To configure klogd the debian (sid) way edit /etc/init.d/klogd and instead of KLOGD= use KLOGD=-c 3. Nifty trick is to log iptables stuff with --log-level debug, then throw all kern.=debug into a file via syslog. That way you have a nice firewall log that sits in a file. Dont forget to logrotate. -- Rene Cunningham DCLabs Pty Ltd http://www.dclabs.com.au We are governed not by armies and police but by ideas. -- Mona Caird, 1892 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] iptables (debian)
Hi, Just recently tried out debian on one of my old machines in place of a redhat system I had been using for the past year. But I am having trouble with an iptables firewall script which keeps insisting on spraying stuff to my terminal (tty1,2,3...) even though its being syslogged into /var/log/messages with syslog priority of 'info' using a LOG target. It doesn't just print to any tty; it assiduously finds the one I'm currently on and prints to that (ie the one currently on-screen locally). It doesn't seem to happen when I log in remotely but still, this is starting to get me down. example (iptables 'seems' to print this both to tty and /var/log/messages... ) - IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=63.154.36.125 DST=203.206.0.244 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=110 ID=12283 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=3830 DPT=135 WINDOW=8760 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=63.154.36.125 DST=203.206.0.244 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=110 ID=12305 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=3830 DPT=135 WINDOW=8760 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 - (I compiled and installed a 2.4.13 kernel over the 'vanilla' 2.2.20 and am wondering if the LOG facility of iptables and syslogd are the problem. Have also disabled any '(x)console/tty' items from /etc/syslog.conf ) It can't be a big thing. Can anyone help? Thanks, Daniel. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
