date:20131220

Hi Markus,

Those things are being discussed with the Fabric team and I am sure that there 
will be a user friendly licensing solution for 'standalone' plugins that use 
Fabric under the hood.

Cheers,
Eric


- Original Message - 
From: Markus Cermak 
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension


Hey guys,

I got one little question about 3rd Party stuff in Fabric Engine.

Hows the licensing gonna work out. Will it be possible to buy lets say Erics 
Polygonizer with Fabric support as a Standalone (without owning or using 
any other Fabric Engine stuff) and use it in Softimage (because of speed 
improvements) or will it only be interesting for Companies that got Fabric 
Engine anyway and now extend their toolset.?

RE: How to weight size preference on instance shapes in ICE?

2013-12-20 Thread Morten Bartholdy

Cool Gareth, and thanks to you, Alok and Oscar. I got things done with the
fcurve but will definately take a look at the random probability node - I
need this quite often .

Morten



Den 19. december 2013 kl. 17:11 skrev gareth bell garethb...@outlook.com:

 
 http://imgur.com/ZPWHZrM http://imgur.com/ZPWHZrM
 
 
 The random probability value is set to 0.9
 
 
 
 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:43:25 -0500
 From: alok.gan...@modusfx.com
 To: x...@colorshopvfx.dk; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 Subject: Re: How to weight size preference on instance shapes in ICE?
 
 In fact you could use the random node in ice. The test random probability
 node uses it. What you are looking for a is a gaussian distribution(bell
 curve). I think the random probability node implements the gaussian
 distribution, if I am not wrong.
 
 ALOK
 GANDHI
 / directeur technique senior- senior technical director
 
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 On 12/19/2013 10:10 AM, Morten Bartholdy wrote:
  
  Don't know that one, Gareth. How does that work?
  
  
  MB
  
  
  
  
  Den 19. december 2013 kl. 15:38 skrev gareth bell garethb...@outlook.com
  mailto:garethb...@outlook.com :
  
   What about a test random probability node?
   
   
   
   Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:20:08 +0100
   Subject: Re: How to weight size preference on instance shapes in ICE?
   From: tridi.animei...@gmail.com mailto:tridi.animei...@gmail.com
   To: x...@colorshopvfx.dk mailto:x...@colorshopvfx.dk ;
   softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
   
   Maybe you can try with an fcurve? If you are using a randomize value by
   range, make that range between 0 and 1, pipe it in an Fcurve node, and
   rescale to your actual size range. And now you can use the curve to weight
   it.
   
   
   On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Morten Bartholdy  x...@colorshopvfx.dk
   mailto:x...@colorshopvfx.dk  wrote:
I am doing RBD sim with Momentum using instance shapes with 22 different
instance objects. I am randomizing the size of these for variation, but
would like to weight the variation so I get few large ones but many
small -
like a 10 - 90 % ratio for instance. Aside form making many instance
objects and make the size relationships in the instance group, is there
a
way to do this in the ICE tree?

Morten (tired simulator artist these days)

RE: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension

that's very interesting Eric, for small and even medium studios, where
investing directly in Fabric may not be viable (more due to not having
dedicated development personnel than financial considerations)

 

hopefully this model will extend through the fabric modules that have been
demonstrated to date?

 

im sure i'm not alone in being very impressed with the early
hair/fur/feather and crowd demos the fabric guys showed? would like to be
able to get those toolsets as an 'out of the box' plugin at some future
date!

 

a

 

  _  

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Mootz
Sent: 20 December 2013 10:48
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension

 

Hi Markus,

 

Those things are being discussed with the Fabric team and I am sure that
there will be a user friendly licensing solution for 'standalone' plugins
that use Fabric under the hood.

 

Cheers,

Eric

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Markus Cermak mailto:marku...@white.at  

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 

Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:17 AM

Subject: Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension

 

Hey guys,

I got one little question about 3rd Party stuff in Fabric Engine.

Hows the licensing gonna work out. Will it be possible to buy lets say Erics
Polygonizer with Fabric support as a Standalone (without owning or using
any other Fabric Engine stuff) and use it in Softimage (because of speed
improvements) or will it only be interesting for Companies that got Fabric
Engine anyway and now extend their toolset.?

  _  

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Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension

2013-12-20 Thread Markus Cermak


Hi
Thanks for the reply.

Adrian´s Post is exactly my point, and Situation.
As we are owning the AD Suite. Tools which will work in Softimage and 
Maya (if I need to open it) is very interesting and a big +, but like 
Adrian said, we are a small studio so my use case would be using 
Finished tools,Plugins,Modules.


Well let´s see what the Future brings, I´m sure you will make the best 
out of it.





On 20.12.2013 12:14, adrian wyer wrote:


that's very interesting Eric, for small and even medium studios, where 
investing directly in Fabric may not be viable (more due to not having 
dedicated development personnel than financial considerations)


hopefully this model will extend through the fabric modules that have 
been demonstrated to date?


im sure i'm not alone in being very impressed with the early 
hair/fur/feather and crowd demos the fabric guys showed? would like to 
be able to get those toolsets as an 'out of the box' plugin at some 
future date!


a



*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Mootz

*Sent:* 20 December 2013 10:48
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension

Hi Markus,

Those things are being discussed with the Fabric team and I am sure 
that there will be a user friendly licensing solution for 'standalone' 
plugins that use Fabric under the hood.


Cheers,

Eric

- Original Message -

*From:*Markus Cermak mailto:marku...@white.at

*To:*softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com


*Sent:*Friday, December 20, 2013 8:17 AM

*Subject:*Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension

Hey guys,

I got one little question about 3rd Party stuff in Fabric Engine.

Hows the licensing gonna work out. Will it be possible to buy lets say 
Erics Polygonizer with Fabric support as a Standalone (without 
owning or using any other Fabric Engine stuff) and use it in Softimage 
(because of speed improvements) or will it only be interesting for 
Companies that got Fabric Engine anyway and now extend their toolset.?




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positivity

Hey guys, just wanted to raise some points regarding the general mood of
users and the future of our little group

 

Lately the list has been falling into the habit of turning many threads into
a doom saying, end-of-the-world kind of vibe (not discounting my self here)

 

When i first joined this list (and the much missed Discussion list) it was
an invaluable resource for shared knowledge, instruction, encouragement and
feedback (both positive and negative) also it was great place to find out
about cheese and monkeys! (i'm looking at you Ed)

 

While i still find the list to be a hugely valuable resource for techniques
and news, we are occasionally running into the doom laden tech equivalent of
Godwin's law!

This list is a gift, as many of you know, when compared with other online
forums/mailing lists, in that it's mostly self moderated and, on the whole,
a nice place to hang out.

There's obviously been some doubt and uncertainty regarding the future of
our software (no different from many other package's forums, the industry IS
constantly shifting), and believe me i have a VERY vested interest in the
continued use of Soft, i have NO intention of abandoning ship at the first
sign of choppy waters. (frankly i'd rather step away from the computer, than
be forced to learn an older/inferior application) But there IS a future,
the app isn't dead, the community might be smaller, but there is still a
wealth of skill and experience here, and i hope, by force of will, we'll be
able to keep the fires burning!

 

If anything is going to bring about the end of Softimage as we know it, it
won't be some bean counter in an office at Autodyne (cyberdesk?) it will be
the lack of users

 

While we can't 'make' autodesk push soft, our work speaks volumes for it's
quality, and that work is getting better and more high profile than it's
been in ages.

What we CAN do is tell people in the industry how enabling the software is,
how it helps us hit deadlines, create amazing imagery and break technical
boundaries that other DCC apps really do struggle with. By spreading the
word other software users and students get to hear what a great app it is,
they might try it, they might get hooked, and then we benefit by having a
new talent pool. If there's demand, then more courses will be taught using
the app and as long as freelancers keep coming up through the ranks,
there'll be a demand for new versions of the software (and new innovations
and features)

I have friends who've come across from other apps to use Soft, primarily for
ICE, but then have realised what a great all round app it is come for
the ICE, stay for the object model/rendertree/passes etc, etc, etc!

 

I'm not preaching/ranting (much) i just want to put it on a public space
that i love my software, i believe we are empowered to help keep it alive,
and they'll get it off me when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!!

 

oh and merry christmas, you cheesy monkey boys (and girls)

 

a

 

Adrian Wyer
Fluid Pictures
75-77 Margaret St.
London
W1W 8SY 
++44(0) 207 580 0829 


adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com
blocked::blocked::blocked::mailto:adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com 

www.fluid-pictures.com
blocked::blocked::blocked::http://www.fluid-pictures.com/  

 

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Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Chris Marshall

A big plus 1 from here too!!
Well said!


On 20 December 2013 11:50, adrian wyer adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.comwrote:

   Hey guys, just wanted to raise some points regarding the general
 mood of users and the future of our little group



 Lately the list has been falling into the habit of turning many threads
 into a doom saying, end-of-the-world kind of vibe (not discounting my self
 here)



 When i first joined this list (and the much missed Discussion list) it was
 an invaluable resource for shared knowledge, instruction, encouragement and
 feedback (both positive and negative) also it was great place to find out
 about cheese and monkeys! (i'm looking at you Ed)



 While i still find the list to be a hugely valuable resource for
 techniques and news, we are occasionally running into the doom laden tech
 equivalent of Godwin's law!

 This list is a gift, as many of you know, when compared with other online
 forums/mailing lists, in that it's mostly self moderated and, on the whole,
 a nice place to hang out.

 There's obviously been some doubt and uncertainty regarding the future of
 our software (no different from many other package's forums, the industry
 IS constantly shifting), and believe me i have a VERY vested interest in
 the continued use of Soft, i have NO intention of abandoning ship at the
 first sign of choppy waters. (frankly i'd rather step away from the
 computer, than be forced to learn an older/inferior application) But
 there IS a future, the app isn't dead, the community might be smaller, but
 there is still a wealth of skill and experience here, and i hope, by force
 of will, we'll be able to keep the fires burning!



 If anything is going to bring about the end of Softimage as we know it, it
 won't be some bean counter in an office at Autodyne (cyberdesk?) it will be
 the lack of users



 While we can't 'make' autodesk push soft, our work speaks volumes for it's
 quality, and that work is getting better and more high profile than it's
 been in ages.

 What we CAN do is tell people in the industry how enabling the software
 is, how it helps us hit deadlines, create amazing imagery and break
 technical boundaries that other DCC apps really do struggle with. By
 spreading the word other software users and students get to hear what a
 great app it is, they might try it, they might get hooked, and then we
 benefit by having a new talent pool. If there's demand, then more courses
 will be taught using the app and as long as freelancers keep coming up
 through the ranks, there'll be a demand for new versions of the software
 (and new innovations and features)

 I have friends who've come across from other apps to use Soft, primarily
 for ICE, but then have realised what a great all round app it is come
 for the ICE, stay for the object model/rendertree/passes etc, etc, etc!



 I'm not preaching/ranting (much) i just want to put it on a public space
 that i love my software, i believe we are empowered to help keep it alive,
 and they'll get it off me when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!!



 oh and merry christmas, you cheesy monkey boys (and girls)



 a



 Adrian Wyer
 Fluid Pictures
 75-77 Margaret St.
 London
 W1W 8SY
 ++44(0) 207 580 0829


 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com

 www.fluid-pictures.com



 Fluid Pictures Limited is registered in England and Wales.
 Company number:5657815
 VAT number: 872 6893 71






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Re: How to weight size preference on instance shapes in ICE?

2013-12-20 Thread Simon Reeves

I would have used an fcurve and I find I use them *everywhere *these days
in ICE, so so useful for weighting like that, reversing, rescalling,
clamping... list goes on



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On 20 December 2013 11:14, Morten Bartholdy x...@colorshopvfx.dk wrote:

   Cool Gareth, and thanks to you, Alok and Oscar. I got things done with
 the fcurve but will definately take a look at the random probability node -
 I need this quite often .


Morten



 Den 19. december 2013 kl. 17:11 skrev gareth bell garethb...@outlook.com:



  http://imgur.com/ZPWHZrM


 The random probability value is set to 0.9


  --
 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:43:25 -0500
 From: alok.gan...@modusfx.com
 To: x...@colorshopvfx.dk; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 Subject: Re: How to weight size preference on instance shapes in ICE?

  In fact you could use the random node in ice. The test random probability
 node uses it. What you are looking for a is a gaussian distribution(bell
 curve). I think the random probability node implements the gaussian
 distribution, if I am not wrong.

  ALOK

 GANDHI

 / directeur technique senior- senior technical director

 alok.gan...@modusfx.com

 T:


 * 450 430-0010 x225 *

 F:



 * 450 430-0009 www.modusfx.com http://www.modusfx.com *


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 On 12/19/2013 10:10 AM, Morten Bartholdy wrote:

  Don't know that one, Gareth. How does that work?


MB




 Den 19. december 2013 kl. 15:38 skrev gareth bell 
 garethb...@outlook.comgarethb...@outlook.com:

   What about a test random probability node?


  --
 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:20:08 +0100
 Subject: Re: How to weight size preference on instance shapes in ICE?
 From: tridi.animei...@gmail.com
 To: x...@colorshopvfx.dk ; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

 Maybe you can try with an fcurve? If you are using a randomize value by
 range, make that range between 0 and 1, pipe it in an Fcurve node, and
 rescale to your actual size range. And now you can use the curve to weight
 it.


  On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Morten Bartholdy  x...@colorshopvfx.dk 
 wrote:


  I am doing RBD sim with Momentum using instance shapes with 22 different
 instance objects. I am randomizing the size of these for variation, but
 would like to weight the variation so I get few large ones but many small -
 like a 10 - 90 % ratio for instance. Aside form making many instance
 objects and make the size relationships in the instance group, is there a
 way to do this in the ICE tree?

 Morten (tired simulator artist these days)

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Sandy Sutherland


Hear hear - 1000+ on this Adrian, well said!

S.

On 2013/12/20 1:50 PM, adrian wyer wrote:


Hey guys, just wanted to raise some points regarding the general mood 
of users and the future of our little group


Lately the list has been falling into the habit of turning many 
threads into a doom saying, end-of-the-world kind of vibe (not 
discounting my self here)


When i first joined this list (and the much missed Discussion list) it 
was an invaluable resource for shared knowledge, instruction, 
encouragement and feedback (both positive and negative) also it was 
great place to find out about cheese and monkeys! (i'm looking at you Ed)


While i still find the list to be a hugely valuable resource for 
techniques and news, we are occasionally running into the doom laden 
tech equivalent of Godwin's law!


This list is a gift, as many of you know, when compared with other 
online forums/mailing lists, in that it's mostly self moderated and, 
on the whole, a nice place to hang out.


There's obviously been some doubt and uncertainty regarding the future 
of our software (no different from many other package's forums, the 
industry IS constantly shifting), and believe me i have a VERY vested 
interest in the continued use of Soft, i have NO intention of 
abandoning ship at the first sign of choppy waters. (frankly i'd 
rather step away from the computer, than be forced to learn an 
older/inferior application) But there IS a future, the app isn't 
dead, the community might be smaller, but there is still a wealth of 
skill and experience here, and i hope, by force of will, we'll be able 
to keep the fires burning!


If anything is going to bring about the end of Softimage as we know 
it, it won't be some bean counter in an office at Autodyne 
(cyberdesk?) it will be the lack of users


While we can't 'make' autodesk push soft, our work speaks volumes for 
it's quality, and that work is getting better and more high profile 
than it's been in ages.


What we CAN do is tell people in the industry how enabling the 
software is, how it helps us hit deadlines, create amazing imagery and 
break technical boundaries that other DCC apps really do struggle 
with. By spreading the word other software users and students get to 
hear what a great app it is, they might try it, they might get hooked, 
and then we benefit by having a new talent pool. If there's demand, 
then more courses will be taught using the app and as long as 
freelancers keep coming up through the ranks, there'll be a demand for 
new versions of the software (and new innovations and features)


I have friends who've come across from other apps to use Soft, 
primarily for ICE, but then have realised what a great all round app 
it is come for the ICE, stay for the object 
model/rendertree/passes etc, etc, etc!


I'm not preaching/ranting (much) i just want to put it on a public 
space that i love my software, i believe we are empowered to help keep 
it alive, and they'll get it off me when they pry it from my cold dead 
fingers!!


oh and merry christmas, you cheesy monkey boys (and girls)

a

Adrian Wyer
Fluid Pictures
75-77 Margaret St.
London
W1W 8SY
++44(0) 207 580 0829


adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com 
blocked::blocked::blocked::mailto:adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com


www.fluid-pictures.com 
blocked::blocked::blocked::http://www.fluid-pictures.com/


Fluid Pictures Limited is registered in England and Wales.
Company number:5657815
VAT number: 872 6893 71

RE: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension

2013-12-20 Thread Morten Bartholdy

Big +1 here. We are small and have no developers on hand, so we are fully
reliant on out of the box tools like Adrian explains. If we should consider
investing in a Fabric based pipeline we will want ready to go modules, and
it would be awesome to share between Soft and Maya, as it would make
collaboration so much easier.

MB



Den 20. december 2013 kl. 12:14 skrev adrian wyer
adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com:

 
 that's very interesting Eric, for small and even medium studios, where
 investing directly in Fabric may not be viable (more due to not having
 dedicated development personnel than financial considerations)
 
 
 
 hopefully this model will extend through the fabric modules that have been
 demonstrated to date?
 
 
 
 im sure i'm not alone in being very impressed with the early
 hair/fur/feather and crowd demos the fabric guys showed? would like to be
 able to get those toolsets as an 'out of the box' plugin at some future
 date!
 
 
 
 a
 
 
 
 
 
 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
 softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Mootz
 Sent: 20 December 2013 10:48
 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 Subject: Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension
 
 
 
 Hi Markus,
 
 
 
 Those things are being discussed with the Fabric team and I am sure that
 there will be a user friendly licensing solution for 'standalone' plugins
 that use Fabric under the hood.
 
 
 
 Cheers,
 
 Eric
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 
 From: Markus Cermak mailto:marku...@white.at
 
 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 
 Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:17 AM
 
 Subject: Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension
 
 
 
 Hey guys,
 
 I got one little question about 3rd Party stuff in Fabric Engine.
 
 Hows the licensing gonna work out. Will it be possible to buy lets say
 Erics Polygonizer with Fabric support as a Standalone (without owning
 or using any other Fabric Engine stuff) and use it in Softimage (because of
 speed improvements) or will it only be interesting for Companies that got
 Fabric Engine anyway and now extend their toolset.?
 
 
 
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Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension

2013-12-20 Thread Paul Doyle

What we've been doing this year is paring back the work on modules in order
to focus on the core platform. We're nearly four years in to this now,
which is around the point that platforms really start to come together.
Hopefully that means that studios with limited technical resources will
start to see benefit from Fabric Engine in 2014 - particularly with Splice.
We're working on some very cool stuff for 2014 that I'm excited about, it
will be fun when we're ready to show it.

One of the goals for Fabric is to provide a solid platform for third party
developers to build upon. We view that as the best way for us to be
successful, and also the fastest way for 'polished' functionality to get
into the hands of studios with limited/no RD resources. This will all come
together next year - Eric is the first to really jump into this and we will
learn a lot from working with him.

Initially the licensing approach will be quite simple: we give individuals
one free license, we give studios two free licenses. After that people have
to buy Fabric licenses. Third party developers can sell their own
extensions and will need to handle their own licensing within that. This
will always be the easy option for a developer, but it's a plug-in model
i.e. their customers already have to own Fabric.

What we want to add is a model where third party devs can create Fabric
tools that are self contained and work within our licensing system. There
are a few things that have to come together for that to work, but we're
getting there.

Hope that helps,

Paul


On 20 December 2013 06:45, Markus Cermak marku...@white.at wrote:

  Hi
 Thanks for the reply.

 Adrian´s Post is exactly my point, and Situation.
 As we are owning the AD Suite. Tools which will work in Softimage and Maya
 (if I need to open it) is very interesting and a big +, but like Adrian
 said, we are a small studio so my use case would be using Finished
 tools,Plugins,Modules.

 Well let´s see what the Future brings, I´m sure you will make the best out
 of it.




 On 20.12.2013 12:14, adrian wyer wrote:

  that's very interesting Eric, for small and even medium studios, where
 investing directly in Fabric may not be viable (more due to not having
 dedicated development personnel than financial considerations)



 hopefully this model will extend through the fabric modules that have been
 demonstrated to date?



 im sure i'm not alone in being very impressed with the early
 hair/fur/feather and crowd demos the fabric guys showed? would like to be
 able to get those toolsets as an 'out of the box' plugin at some future
 date!



 a


  --

 *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
 softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Mootz
 *Sent:* 20 December 2013 10:48
 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 *Subject:* Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension



 Hi Markus,



 Those things are being discussed with the Fabric team and I am sure that
 there will be a user friendly licensing solution for 'standalone' plugins
 that use Fabric under the hood.



 Cheers,

 Eric





 - Original Message -

 *From:* Markus Cermak marku...@white.at

 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

 *Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 8:17 AM

 *Subject:* Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension



 Hey guys,

 I got one little question about 3rd Party stuff in Fabric Engine.

 Hows the licensing gonna work out. Will it be possible to buy lets say
 Erics Polygonizer with Fabric support as a Standalone (without owning
 or using any other Fabric Engine stuff) and use it in Softimage (because of
 speed improvements) or will it only be interesting for Companies that got
 Fabric Engine anyway and now extend their toolset.?
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Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Morten Bartholdy

Very well put Adrian. I am as concerned as anyone about the future of my
favorite tool but the future lies in may ways in our hands, as we are in a
position to nudge things in the direction we want. Positivity is generally
a good mindset, and it certainly applies here.

I miss Porls bright observations on life in general BTW :)

Morten Bartholdy
VFX Supervisor
gimmickvfx.com




Den 20. december 2013 kl. 12:50 skrev adrian wyer
adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com:

 
 Hey guys, just wanted to raise some points regarding the general mood of
 users and the future of our little group
 
 
 
 Lately the list has been falling into the habit of turning many threads
 into a doom saying, end-of-the-world kind of vibe (not discounting my self
 here)
 
 
 
 When i first joined this list (and the much missed Discussion list) it was
 an invaluable resource for shared knowledge, instruction, encouragement and
 feedback (both positive and negative) also it was great place to find out
 about cheese and monkeys! (i'm looking at you Ed)
 
 
 
 While i still find the list to be a hugely valuable resource for techniques
 and news, we are occasionally running into the doom laden tech equivalent
 of Godwin's law!
 
 This list is a gift, as many of you know, when compared with other online
 forums/mailing lists, in that it's mostly self moderated and, on the whole,
 a nice place to hang out.
 
 There's obviously been some doubt and uncertainty regarding the future of
 our software (no different from many other package's forums, the industry
 IS constantly shifting), and believe me i have a VERY vested interest in
 the continued use of Soft, i have NO intention of abandoning ship at the
 first sign of choppy waters. (frankly i'd rather step away from the
 computer, than be forced to learn an older/inferior application) But
 there IS a future, the app isn't dead, the community might be smaller, but
 there is still a wealth of skill and experience here, and i hope, by force
 of will, we'll be able to keep the fires burning!
 
 
 
 If anything is going to bring about the end of Softimage as we know it, it
 won't be some bean counter in an office at Autodyne (cyberdesk?) it will be
 the lack of users
 
 
 
 While we can't 'make' autodesk push soft, our work speaks volumes for it's
 quality, and that work is getting better and more high profile than it's
 been in ages.
 
 What we CAN do is tell people in the industry how enabling the software is,
 how it helps us hit deadlines, create amazing imagery and break technical
 boundaries that other DCC apps really do struggle with. By spreading the
 word other software users and students get to hear what a great app it is,
 they might try it, they might get hooked, and then we benefit by having a
 new talent pool. If there's demand, then more courses will be taught using
 the app and as long as freelancers keep coming up through the ranks,
 there'll be a demand for new versions of the software (and new innovations
 and features)
 
 I have friends who've come across from other apps to use Soft, primarily
 for ICE, but then have realised what a great all round app it is come
 for the ICE, stay for the object model/rendertree/passes etc, etc, etc!
 
 
 
 I'm not preaching/ranting (much) i just want to put it on a public space
 that i love my software, i believe we are empowered to help keep it alive,
 and they'll get it off me when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!!
 
 
 
 oh and merry christmas, you cheesy monkey boys (and girls)
 
 
 
 a
 
 
 
 Adrian Wyer
 Fluid Pictures
 75-77 Margaret St .
 London
 W1W 8SY
 ++44(0) 207 580 0829
 
 
 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com
 blocked::blocked::blocked::mailto:adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com
 
 www.fluid-pictures.com
 blocked::blocked::blocked::http://www.fluid-pictures.com/
 
 
 
 Fluid Pictures Limited is registered in England and Wales .
 Company number:5657815
 VAT number: 872 6893 71

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread patrick nethercoat

Wahey! *that's* the spirit.

Merry Christmas everybody.


On 20 December 2013 12:04, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote:

 A big plus 1 from here too!!
 Well said!


 On 20 December 2013 11:50, adrian wyer adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.comwrote:

   Hey guys, just wanted to raise some points regarding the general
 mood of users and the future of our little group



 Lately the list has been falling into the habit of turning many threads
 into a doom saying, end-of-the-world kind of vibe (not discounting my self
 here)



 When i first joined this list (and the much missed Discussion list) it
 was an invaluable resource for shared knowledge, instruction, encouragement
 and feedback (both positive and negative) also it was great place to find
 out about cheese and monkeys! (i'm looking at you Ed)



 While i still find the list to be a hugely valuable resource for
 techniques and news, we are occasionally running into the doom laden tech
 equivalent of Godwin's law!

 This list is a gift, as many of you know, when compared with other online
 forums/mailing lists, in that it's mostly self moderated and, on the whole,
 a nice place to hang out.

 There's obviously been some doubt and uncertainty regarding the future of
 our software (no different from many other package's forums, the industry
 IS constantly shifting), and believe me i have a VERY vested interest in
 the continued use of Soft, i have NO intention of abandoning ship at the
 first sign of choppy waters. (frankly i'd rather step away from the
 computer, than be forced to learn an older/inferior application) But
 there IS a future, the app isn't dead, the community might be smaller, but
 there is still a wealth of skill and experience here, and i hope, by force
 of will, we'll be able to keep the fires burning!



 If anything is going to bring about the end of Softimage as we know it,
 it won't be some bean counter in an office at Autodyne (cyberdesk?) it will
 be the lack of users



 While we can't 'make' autodesk push soft, our work speaks volumes for
 it's quality, and that work is getting better and more high profile than
 it's been in ages.

 What we CAN do is tell people in the industry how enabling the software
 is, how it helps us hit deadlines, create amazing imagery and break
 technical boundaries that other DCC apps really do struggle with. By
 spreading the word other software users and students get to hear what a
 great app it is, they might try it, they might get hooked, and then we
 benefit by having a new talent pool. If there's demand, then more courses
 will be taught using the app and as long as freelancers keep coming up
 through the ranks, there'll be a demand for new versions of the software
 (and new innovations and features)

 I have friends who've come across from other apps to use Soft, primarily
 for ICE, but then have realised what a great all round app it is come
 for the ICE, stay for the object model/rendertree/passes etc, etc, etc!



 I'm not preaching/ranting (much) i just want to put it on a public space
 that i love my software, i believe we are empowered to help keep it alive,
 and they'll get it off me when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!!



 oh and merry christmas, you cheesy monkey boys (and girls)



 a



 Adrian Wyer
 Fluid Pictures
 75-77 Margaret St.
 London
 W1W 8SY
 ++44(0) 207 580 0829


 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com

 www.fluid-pictures.com



 Fluid Pictures Limited is registered in England and Wales.
 Company number:5657815
 VAT number: 872 6893 71






 --

 Chris Marshall
 Mint Motion Limited
 029 20 37 27 57
 07730 533 115
 www.mintmotion.co.uk

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Byron Nash

The positivity is appreciated. After spending the last month or so mostly
working in another package I appreciate Softimage even more than I already
did. I agree that keeping the outflow of head turning work can attract
users and change perceptions.

Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all!


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Morten Bartholdy x...@colorshopvfx.dkwrote:

   Very well put Adrian. I am as concerned as anyone about the future of
 my favorite tool but the future lies in may ways in our hands, as we are in
 a position to nudge things in the direction we want. Positivity is
 generally a good mindset, and it certainly applies here.



 I miss Porls bright observations on life in general BTW :)



 Morten Bartholdy

 VFX Supervisor

 gimmickvfx.com






 Den 20. december 2013 kl. 12:50 skrev adrian wyer 
 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com:

Hey guys, just wanted to raise some points regarding the general mood
 of users and the future of our little group



  Lately the list has been falling into the habit of turning many threads
 into a doom saying, end-of-the-world kind of vibe (not discounting my self
 here)



  When i first joined this list (and the much missed Discussion list) it
 was an invaluable resource for shared knowledge, instruction, encouragement
 and feedback (both positive and negative) also it was great place to find
 out about cheese and monkeys! (i'm looking at you Ed)



  While i still find the list to be a hugely valuable resource for
 techniques and news, we are occasionally running into the doom laden tech
 equivalent of Godwin's law!

  This list is a gift, as many of you know, when compared with other
 online forums/mailing lists, in that it's mostly self moderated and, on the
 whole, a nice place to hang out.

  There's obviously been some doubt and uncertainty regarding the future
 of our software (no different from many other package's forums, the
 industry IS constantly shifting), and believe me i have a VERY vested
 interest in the continued use of Soft, i have NO intention of abandoning
 ship at the first sign of choppy waters. (frankly i'd rather step away from
 the computer, than be forced to learn an older/inferior application)
 But there IS a future, the app isn't dead, the community might be smaller,
 but there is still a wealth of skill and experience here, and i hope, by
 force of will, we'll be able to keep the fires burning!



  If anything is going to bring about the end of Softimage as we know it,
 it won't be some bean counter in an office at Autodyne (cyberdesk?) it will
 be the lack of users



  While we can't 'make' autodesk push soft, our work speaks volumes for
 it's quality, and that work is getting better and more high profile than
 it's been in ages.

  What we CAN do is tell people in the industry how enabling the software
 is, how it helps us hit deadlines, create amazing imagery and break
 technical boundaries that other DCC apps really do struggle with. By
 spreading the word other software users and students get to hear what a
 great app it is, they might try it, they might get hooked, and then we
 benefit by having a new talent pool. If there's demand, then more courses
 will be taught using the app and as long as freelancers keep coming up
 through the ranks, there'll be a demand for new versions of the software
 (and new innovations and features)

  I have friends who've come across from other apps to use Soft, primarily
 for ICE, but then have realised what a great all round app it is come
 for the ICE, stay for the object model/rendertree/passes etc, etc, etc!



  I'm not preaching/ranting (much) i just want to put it on a public space
 that i love my software, i believe we are empowered to help keep it alive,
 and they'll get it off me when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!!



  oh and merry christmas, you cheesy monkey boys (and girls)



  a



  Adrian Wyer
 Fluid Pictures
 75-77 Margaret St .
 London
 W1W 8SY
 ++44(0) 207 580 0829


 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com

  www.fluid-pictures.com



  Fluid Pictures Limited is registered in England and Wales .
 Company number:5657815
 VAT number: 872 6893 71

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Christian Gotzinger

Thank you, finally some positivity! I never participate in all the rants
because they annoy me to no end.


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM, adrian wyer 
adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com wrote:

   Hey guys, just wanted to raise some points regarding the general
 mood of users and the future of our little group



 Lately the list has been falling into the habit of turning many threads
 into a doom saying, end-of-the-world kind of vibe (not discounting my self
 here)



 When i first joined this list (and the much missed Discussion list) it was
 an invaluable resource for shared knowledge, instruction, encouragement and
 feedback (both positive and negative) also it was great place to find out
 about cheese and monkeys! (i'm looking at you Ed)



 While i still find the list to be a hugely valuable resource for
 techniques and news, we are occasionally running into the doom laden tech
 equivalent of Godwin's law!

 This list is a gift, as many of you know, when compared with other online
 forums/mailing lists, in that it's mostly self moderated and, on the whole,
 a nice place to hang out.

 There's obviously been some doubt and uncertainty regarding the future of
 our software (no different from many other package's forums, the industry
 IS constantly shifting), and believe me i have a VERY vested interest in
 the continued use of Soft, i have NO intention of abandoning ship at the
 first sign of choppy waters. (frankly i'd rather step away from the
 computer, than be forced to learn an older/inferior application) But
 there IS a future, the app isn't dead, the community might be smaller, but
 there is still a wealth of skill and experience here, and i hope, by force
 of will, we'll be able to keep the fires burning!



 If anything is going to bring about the end of Softimage as we know it, it
 won't be some bean counter in an office at Autodyne (cyberdesk?) it will be
 the lack of users



 While we can't 'make' autodesk push soft, our work speaks volumes for it's
 quality, and that work is getting better and more high profile than it's
 been in ages.

 What we CAN do is tell people in the industry how enabling the software
 is, how it helps us hit deadlines, create amazing imagery and break
 technical boundaries that other DCC apps really do struggle with. By
 spreading the word other software users and students get to hear what a
 great app it is, they might try it, they might get hooked, and then we
 benefit by having a new talent pool. If there's demand, then more courses
 will be taught using the app and as long as freelancers keep coming up
 through the ranks, there'll be a demand for new versions of the software
 (and new innovations and features)

 I have friends who've come across from other apps to use Soft, primarily
 for ICE, but then have realised what a great all round app it is come
 for the ICE, stay for the object model/rendertree/passes etc, etc, etc!



 I'm not preaching/ranting (much) i just want to put it on a public space
 that i love my software, i believe we are empowered to help keep it alive,
 and they'll get it off me when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!!



 oh and merry christmas, you cheesy monkey boys (and girls)



 a



 Adrian Wyer
 Fluid Pictures
 75-77 Margaret St.
 London
 W1W 8SY
 ++44(0) 207 580 0829


 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com

 www.fluid-pictures.com



 Fluid Pictures Limited is registered in England and Wales.
 Company number:5657815
 VAT number: 872 6893 71

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Jordi Bares

Some facts. Softimage work done by the likes of glassworks, mill, analog, aka, 
passion and others have been winning the major share of the prestigious BTAA 
and Cannes lions for the last 10 years and in the last 3 it has been an 
overwhelming round.

Well said Adrian

Jb 

Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:56, Christian Gotzinger cgo...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Thank you, finally some positivity! I never participate in all the rants 
 because they annoy me to no end.
 
 
 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM, adrian wyer 
 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com wrote:
 Hey guys, just wanted to raise some points regarding the general mood of 
 users and the future of our little group
 
  
 
 Lately the list has been falling into the habit of turning many threads into 
 a doom saying, end-of-the-world kind of vibe (not discounting my self here)
 
  
 
 When i first joined this list (and the much missed Discussion list) it was 
 an invaluable resource for shared knowledge, instruction, encouragement and 
 feedback (both positive and negative) also it was great place to find out 
 about cheese and monkeys! (i'm looking at you Ed)
 
  
 
 While i still find the list to be a hugely valuable resource for techniques 
 and news, we are occasionally running into the doom laden tech equivalent of 
 Godwin's law!
 
 This list is a gift, as many of you know, when compared with other online 
 forums/mailing lists, in that it's mostly self moderated and, on the whole, 
 a nice place to hang out.
 
 There's obviously been some doubt and uncertainty regarding the future of 
 our software (no different from many other package's forums, the industry IS 
 constantly shifting), and believe me i have a VERY vested interest in the 
 continued use of Soft, i have NO intention of abandoning ship at the first 
 sign of choppy waters. (frankly i'd rather step away from the computer, than 
 be forced to learn an older/inferior application) But there IS a future, 
 the app isn't dead, the community might be smaller, but there is still a 
 wealth of skill and experience here, and i hope, by force of will, we'll be 
 able to keep the fires burning!
 
  
 
 If anything is going to bring about the end of Softimage as we know it, it 
 won't be some bean counter in an office at Autodyne (cyberdesk?) it will be 
 the lack of users
 
  
 
 While we can't 'make' autodesk push soft, our work speaks volumes for it's 
 quality, and that work is getting better and more high profile than it's 
 been in ages.
 
 What we CAN do is tell people in the industry how enabling the software is, 
 how it helps us hit deadlines, create amazing imagery and break technical 
 boundaries that other DCC apps really do struggle with. By spreading the 
 word other software users and students get to hear what a great app it is, 
 they might try it, they might get hooked, and then we benefit by having a 
 new talent pool. If there's demand, then more courses will be taught using 
 the app and as long as freelancers keep coming up through the ranks, 
 there'll be a demand for new versions of the software (and new innovations 
 and features)
 
 I have friends who've come across from other apps to use Soft, primarily for 
 ICE, but then have realised what a great all round app it is come for 
 the ICE, stay for the object model/rendertree/passes etc, etc, etc!
 
  
 
 I'm not preaching/ranting (much) i just want to put it on a public space 
 that i love my software, i believe we are empowered to help keep it alive, 
 and they'll get it off me when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!!
 
  
 
 oh and merry christmas, you cheesy monkey boys (and girls)
 
  
 
 a
 
  
 
 Adrian Wyer
 Fluid Pictures
 75-77 Margaret St.
 London
 W1W 8SY 
 ++44(0) 207 580 0829
 
 
 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com
 
 www.fluid-pictures.com
 
  
 
 Fluid Pictures Limited is registered in England and Wales.
 Company number:5657815
 VAT number: 872 6893 71

Last workday!

2013-12-20 Thread Szabolcs Matefy

Hey folks!

This is my last workday, so it's time to wish all of you Merry X(SI)Mas and 
Happy New Year!


Cheers


Szabolcs

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Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Francisco Criado

Amen!
F.



2013/12/20 Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com

 Some facts. Softimage work done by the likes of glassworks, mill, analog,
 aka, passion and others have been winning the major share of the
 prestigious BTAA and Cannes lions for the last 10 years and in the last 3
 it has been an overwhelming round.

 Well said Adrian

 Jb

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:56, Christian Gotzinger cgo...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 Thank you, finally some positivity! I never participate in all the rants
 because they annoy me to no end.


 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM, adrian wyer 
 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com wrote:

   Hey guys, just wanted to raise some points regarding the general
 mood of users and the future of our little group



 Lately the list has been falling into the habit of turning many threads
 into a doom saying, end-of-the-world kind of vibe (not discounting my self
 here)



 When i first joined this list (and the much missed Discussion list) it
 was an invaluable resource for shared knowledge, instruction, encouragement
 and feedback (both positive and negative) also it was great place to find
 out about cheese and monkeys! (i'm looking at you Ed)



 While i still find the list to be a hugely valuable resource for
 techniques and news, we are occasionally running into the doom laden tech
 equivalent of Godwin's law!

 This list is a gift, as many of you know, when compared with other online
 forums/mailing lists, in that it's mostly self moderated and, on the whole,
 a nice place to hang out.

 There's obviously been some doubt and uncertainty regarding the future of
 our software (no different from many other package's forums, the industry
 IS constantly shifting), and believe me i have a VERY vested interest in
 the continued use of Soft, i have NO intention of abandoning ship at the
 first sign of choppy waters. (frankly i'd rather step away from the
 computer, than be forced to learn an older/inferior application) But
 there IS a future, the app isn't dead, the community might be smaller, but
 there is still a wealth of skill and experience here, and i hope, by force
 of will, we'll be able to keep the fires burning!



 If anything is going to bring about the end of Softimage as we know it,
 it won't be some bean counter in an office at Autodyne (cyberdesk?) it will
 be the lack of users



 While we can't 'make' autodesk push soft, our work speaks volumes for
 it's quality, and that work is getting better and more high profile than
 it's been in ages.

 What we CAN do is tell people in the industry how enabling the software
 is, how it helps us hit deadlines, create amazing imagery and break
 technical boundaries that other DCC apps really do struggle with. By
 spreading the word other software users and students get to hear what a
 great app it is, they might try it, they might get hooked, and then we
 benefit by having a new talent pool. If there's demand, then more courses
 will be taught using the app and as long as freelancers keep coming up
 through the ranks, there'll be a demand for new versions of the software
 (and new innovations and features)

 I have friends who've come across from other apps to use Soft, primarily
 for ICE, but then have realised what a great all round app it is come
 for the ICE, stay for the object model/rendertree/passes etc, etc, etc!



 I'm not preaching/ranting (much) i just want to put it on a public space
 that i love my software, i believe we are empowered to help keep it alive,
 and they'll get it off me when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!!



 oh and merry christmas, you cheesy monkey boys (and girls)



 a



 Adrian Wyer
 Fluid Pictures
 75-77 Margaret St.
 London
 W1W 8SY
 ++44(0) 207 580 0829


 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com

 www.fluid-pictures.com



 Fluid Pictures Limited is registered in England and Wales.
 Company number:5657815
 VAT number: 872 6893 71

Re: Last workday!

2013-12-20 Thread Leonard Koch

Thanks. To you and the rest of the list as well!


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Szabolcs Matefy szabol...@crytek.comwrote:

 Hey folks!



 This is my last workday, so it’s time to wish all of you Merry X(SI)Mas
 and Happy New Year!





 Cheers





 Szabolcs
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Re: positivity

Absolutley!

People said the Mayans said that the world will end in 2013  And here
we are!

Merry Christmas and Happy New* 2014 *to all of you!






2013/12/20 Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com

 Amen!
 F.



 2013/12/20 Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com

 Some facts. Softimage work done by the likes of glassworks, mill, analog,
 aka, passion and others have been winning the major share of the
 prestigious BTAA and Cannes lions for the last 10 years and in the last 3
 it has been an overwhelming round.

 Well said Adrian

 Jb

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:56, Christian Gotzinger cgo...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 Thank you, finally some positivity! I never participate in all the rants
 because they annoy me to no end.


 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM, adrian wyer 
 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com wrote:

   Hey guys, just wanted to raise some points regarding the general
 mood of users and the future of our little group



 Lately the list has been falling into the habit of turning many threads
 into a doom saying, end-of-the-world kind of vibe (not discounting my self
 here)



 When i first joined this list (and the much missed Discussion list) it
 was an invaluable resource for shared knowledge, instruction, encouragement
 and feedback (both positive and negative) also it was great place to find
 out about cheese and monkeys! (i'm looking at you Ed)



 While i still find the list to be a hugely valuable resource for
 techniques and news, we are occasionally running into the doom laden tech
 equivalent of Godwin's law!

 This list is a gift, as many of you know, when compared with other
 online forums/mailing lists, in that it's mostly self moderated and, on the
 whole, a nice place to hang out.

 There's obviously been some doubt and uncertainty regarding the future
 of our software (no different from many other package's forums, the
 industry IS constantly shifting), and believe me i have a VERY vested
 interest in the continued use of Soft, i have NO intention of abandoning
 ship at the first sign of choppy waters. (frankly i'd rather step away from
 the computer, than be forced to learn an older/inferior application)
 But there IS a future, the app isn't dead, the community might be smaller,
 but there is still a wealth of skill and experience here, and i hope, by
 force of will, we'll be able to keep the fires burning!



 If anything is going to bring about the end of Softimage as we know it,
 it won't be some bean counter in an office at Autodyne (cyberdesk?) it will
 be the lack of users



 While we can't 'make' autodesk push soft, our work speaks volumes for
 it's quality, and that work is getting better and more high profile than
 it's been in ages.

 What we CAN do is tell people in the industry how enabling the software
 is, how it helps us hit deadlines, create amazing imagery and break
 technical boundaries that other DCC apps really do struggle with. By
 spreading the word other software users and students get to hear what a
 great app it is, they might try it, they might get hooked, and then we
 benefit by having a new talent pool. If there's demand, then more courses
 will be taught using the app and as long as freelancers keep coming up
 through the ranks, there'll be a demand for new versions of the software
 (and new innovations and features)

 I have friends who've come across from other apps to use Soft, primarily
 for ICE, but then have realised what a great all round app it is come
 for the ICE, stay for the object model/rendertree/passes etc, etc, etc!



 I'm not preaching/ranting (much) i just want to put it on a public space
 that i love my software, i believe we are empowered to help keep it alive,
 and they'll get it off me when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!!



 oh and merry christmas, you cheesy monkey boys (and girls)



 a



 Adrian Wyer
 Fluid Pictures
 75-77 Margaret St.
 London
 W1W 8SY
 ++44(0) 207 580 0829


 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com

 www.fluid-pictures.com



 Fluid Pictures Limited is registered in England and Wales.
 Company number:5657815
 VAT number: 872 6893 71

Friday Flashback #151

2013-12-20 Thread Stephen Blair

Friday Flashback #151
Xmas XSI logo from 2004
http://wp.me/powV4-2Wn

Re: Last workday!

2013-12-20 Thread Simon Reeves

Last day at the office here too, hope everyone has a nice xmas and new
years!



Simon Reeves
London, UK
*si...@simonreeves.com si...@simonreeves.com*
*www.simonreeves.com http://www.simonreeves.com*
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On 20 December 2013 14:28, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks. To you and the rest of the list as well!


 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Szabolcs Matefy szabol...@crytek.comwrote:

 Hey folks!



 This is my last workday, so it’s time to wish all of you Merry X(SI)Mas
 and Happy New Year!





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Re: Last workday!

2013-12-20 Thread Rob Chapman

likewise, all the best for 2014 fellow softimagers !


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 On 20 December 2013 14:28, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks. To you and the rest of the list as well!


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 This is my last workday, so it’s time to wish all of you Merry X(SI)Mas
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Re: geometry approximation vs subdivide


What tool are you using to subdivide?

On Friday, December 20, 2013 10:15:49 AM, David Gallagher wrote:


I'd like to get this geometry to subdivide just as I see it with
geometry approximation. Surprisingly, I'm having a hard time finding
any tool to do that. What am I missing?

Original in middle. Object on the right is subdivided (no good).
Object on left is just what I want -- but it's not real geo, just an
approximation of how it will render.

Re: geometry approximation vs subdivide


Shift + D will not get you good results.

Create  Poly Mesh  Subdivide
or
Select all polygons  right click  Local subdiv refinement should.


On Friday, December 20, 2013 10:19:11 AM, Eric Thivierge wrote:

What tool are you using to subdivide?

On Friday, December 20, 2013 10:15:49 AM, David Gallagher wrote:


I'd like to get this geometry to subdivide just as I see it with
geometry approximation. Surprisingly, I'm having a hard time finding
any tool to do that. What am I missing?

Original in middle. Object on the right is subdivided (no good).
Object on left is just what I want -- but it's not real geo, just an
approximation of how it will render.

Re: geometry approximation vs subdivide

2013-12-20 Thread David Gallagher



PolyMeshSubdivide Polygons/Edges

On 12/20/2013 8:19 AM, Eric Thivierge wrote:

What tool are you using to subdivide?

On Friday, December 20, 2013 10:15:49 AM, David Gallagher wrote:


I'd like to get this geometry to subdivide just as I see it with
geometry approximation. Surprisingly, I'm having a hard time finding
any tool to do that. What am I missing?

Original in middle. Object on the right is subdivided (no good).
Object on left is just what I want -- but it's not real geo, just an
approximation of how it will render.

Re: geometry approximation vs subdivide

2013-12-20 Thread David Gallagher


On 12/20/2013 8:27 AM, Eric Thivierge wrote:

Shift + D will not get you good results.

Create  Poly Mesh  Subdivide


Perfect! Thanks Eric.


or
Select all polygons  right click  Local subdiv refinement should.


On Friday, December 20, 2013 10:19:11 AM, Eric Thivierge wrote:

What tool are you using to subdivide?

On Friday, December 20, 2013 10:15:49 AM, David Gallagher wrote:


I'd like to get this geometry to subdivide just as I see it with
geometry approximation. Surprisingly, I'm having a hard time finding
any tool to do that. What am I missing?

Original in middle. Object on the right is subdivided (no good).
Object on left is just what I want -- but it's not real geo, just an
approximation of how it will render.

Re: Last workday!

2013-12-20 Thread Sergio Mucino


  
  
Happy holidays to everyone! Have a great time off!

On 20/12/2013 10:11 AM, Rob Chapman
  wrote:


  likewise, all the best for 2014 fellow softimagers
!
  
  

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  everyone has a nice xmas and new years!

  
  

  
  
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  On 20 December 2013 14:28,
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  Thanks. To you and the rest of the
list as well!
  

  

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Hey folks!

   
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  New Year! 
 
 
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Plexus Compound- Finding Danil Krivoruchko

2013-12-20 Thread Greg Punchatz

I am trying to reach  Danil Krivoruchko who made an awesome Plexus 
compound that can be seen here.


https://vimeo.com/44314479

I PMed him but have not heard back, does anyone out there know how to 
contact him?


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Re: Plexus Compound- Finding Danil Krivoruchko

2013-12-20 Thread Paul Griswold

What about the Neural Net compound that Felix Geremus created?
http://felixgeremus.com/?p=203

-Paul

ᐧ


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  I am trying to reach  Danil Krivoruchko who made an awesome Plexus
 compound that can be seen here.

 https://vimeo.com/44314479

 I PMed him but have not heard back, does anyone out there know how to
 contact him?

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Re: Plexus Compound- Finding Danil Krivoruchko

I sent him an email for that ice node. He did respond eventually, but it
took a few days at least.

Eric

Freelance 3D and VFX animator

http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work


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  I am trying to reach  Danil Krivoruchko who made an awesome Plexus
 compound that can be seen here.

 https://vimeo.com/44314479

 I PMed him but have not heard back, does anyone out there know how to
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Basic python to access a parameter

2013-12-20 Thread Benoit Delaunay

Hi list,

How do you get to a parameter to change its value ? Or even better, is
there a way to return a list of all the parameters ? For instance, I want
to set the 'Path %age' value of a path constrain. In the expression editor
it seems to be 'perc' but I cannot get it to work.

Application.SetValue(Application.Selection(0).kinematics.Constraints.percentage,
4, )


Same thing for kine (expression) which becomes kinematics, and all these
other things. Is there a way to find their scripting names ?


In maxscript it would be 'show $.modifiers[1]'

Re: Basic python to access a parameter

Using the Object Model will allow you to do this. This code you've 
written is using Commands.


# Python
si = Application
sel = si.Selection
log = si.LogMessage

# Set Path Percentage
targetObj = sel(0)
constraints = targetObj.Kinematics.Constraints
pathConstraint = constraints(0) # Zero only works if it is the first 
constraint. Iterate through 'constraints' to find the one you want

pathConstraint.Parameters(percentage).Value = 50

# Loop through params
for eachParam in pathConstraint.Parameters:
   log(eachParam.Name)
   log(eachParam.Value)



On Friday, December 20, 2013 11:31:08 AM, Benoit Delaunay wrote:

Hi list,

How do you get to a parameter to change its value ? Or even better, is
there a way to return a list of all the parameters ? For instance, I
want to set the 'Path %age' value of a path constrain. In the
expression editor it seems to be 'perc' but I cannot get it to work.

Application.SetValue(Application.Selection(0).kinematics.Constraints.percentage,
4, )


Same thing for kine (expression) which becomes kinematics, and all
these other things. Is there a way to find their scripting names ?


In maxscript it would be 'show $.modifiers[1]'

Re: positivity

+1  thanx for this refreshing and positive post, Adrian.

Cheers to y'all!

Eric.

Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension

Let me explain how the upcoming emPolygonizer4 for Maya will look like, license 
wise. Note that I am talking about the conventional emPolygonizer4 for Maya, 
not about the Fabric one. But hopefully it will not be very different.

The upcoming emPolygonizer4 for Maya will be pretty much identical in usage and 
functionality to the original Softimage emPolygonizer4. They will also have the 
exact same price per seat and the licensing will be identical, too, meaning 
that freelancers and/or studios who already own Softimage emPolygonizer4 
licenses can use those exact same licenses to unlock emPolygonizer4 for Maya. 
Especially companies that work with two or more 3D apps, say Softimage and 
Maya, need not worry about the licensing of Mootzoid plugins:
a license is a license is a license, 'peu importe la couleur' :)

Cheers,
Eric


- Original Message - 
From: Markus Cermak 
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: emPolygonizer in Fabric Engine using KL extension


Hi 
Thanks for the reply.

Adrian´s Post is exactly my point, and Situation.
As we are owning the AD Suite. Tools which will work in Softimage and Maya (if 
I need to open it) is very interesting and a big +, but like Adrian said, we 
are a small studio so my use case would be using Finished tools,Plugins,Modules.

Well let´s see what the Future brings, I´m sure you will make the best out of 
it.

rumor, Soft dead within the next year

Sorry...can't resist.  Nasty rumor going around that Soft will be done
within the next year.  I'm just hearing this from a few NYC peeps.  I
personally find it odd especially since we know there's a beta program
running now and that a lot of places still rely on it, especially ICE.

I WOULD NOT be surprised at all if development stopped within a year or two
and it was just a left as it is product but I don't see how or why the
door would be slammed shut in anyone's face.

I doubt anyone can confirm this rumor but curious what others thoughts
are.  I'm looking to learn more Houdini and C4D for the volume of work but
have no desire to use antiquated and archaic platforms like Maya and Max to
be honest.

Regardless, its tragic to see Soft slowing down and how it never managed to
take over as the #1 option years ago.  It really is the best but a few
limitations, bad timing and bad marketing didn't do it any favors.

The community, addons, plugins and contributions though are incredible and
I think thats the part I would miss the most.

and discuss

Kris

Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

2013-12-20 Thread wavo


Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

done with one of the last version of softimage:

http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite




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Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

Nice one, Walter!

- Original Message - 
From: wavo 
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year


Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

done with one of the last version of softimage:

http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite

Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

Pfff, I don't believe those rumours anymore. Been hearing that stuff for so 
many years now and it's just plain boring.

Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

Ha ha..nice.  Same hereI just had to share though.  There's a slim
possibility these sources may have some inside Autodesk knowledge...so I'm
curious.  I'll use it till I'm dead.

Kris


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM, wavo w...@fiftyeight.com wrote:

  Am 12/20/2013 6:16 PM, schrieb Eric Mootz:

 Pfff, I don't believe those rumours anymore. Been hearing that stuff for
 so many years now and it's just plain boring.


 totgesagte leben laenger


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Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

2013-12-20 Thread Toonafish

If it's not AD, it will be rumours like this that will kill Softimage in 
the end ...


- Ronald

On 12/20/2013 18:03, Kris Rivel wrote:
Sorry...can't resist.  Nasty rumor going around that Soft will be done 
within the next year.  I'm just hearing this from a few NYC peeps.  I 
personally find it odd especially since we know there's a beta program 
running now and that a lot of places still rely on it, especially ICE.


I WOULD NOT be surprised at all if development stopped within a year 
or two and it was just a left as it is product but I don't see how 
or why the door would be slammed shut in anyone's face.


I doubt anyone can confirm this rumor but curious what others 
thoughts are.  I'm looking to learn more Houdini and C4D for the 
volume of work but have no desire to use antiquated and archaic 
platforms like Maya and Max to be honest.


Regardless, its tragic to see Soft slowing down and how it never 
managed to take over as the #1 option years ago.  It really is the 
best but a few limitations, bad timing and bad marketing didn't do it 
any favors.


The community, addons, plugins and contributions though are incredible 
and I think thats the part I would miss the most.


and discuss

Kris

Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

2013-12-20 Thread Stefan Kubicek


Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.
Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

done with one of the last version of softimage:

http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite




-- 
  
  
  Walter Volbers
  

Senior Animator

Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

And anyway... If it is true, we can do nothing about it... Just like the
end of the world.

As long as developers like Eric, Paul, etc continue to develop for
Softimage even is we are in 2020 and it's dead next year I will keep using
it.  I've been working without a nice realtime shaded openGL viewport for
nearly 20 years.  So I can deal with that for another 20 years.






2013/12/20 Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com

 As I said:

 People said that the Mayans said that the world will end in december
 2012.   And we are still here.

 Merry Christmas!






 2013/12/20 Toonafish ron...@toonafish.nl

 If it's not AD, it will be rumours like this that will kill Softimage in
 the end ...

 - Ronald


 On 12/20/2013 18:03, Kris Rivel wrote:

 Sorry...can't resist.  Nasty rumor going around that Soft will be done
 within the next year.  I'm just hearing this from a few NYC peeps.  I
 personally find it odd especially since we know there's a beta program
 running now and that a lot of places still rely on it, especially ICE.

 I WOULD NOT be surprised at all if development stopped within a year or
 two and it was just a left as it is product but I don't see how or why
 the door would be slammed shut in anyone's face.

 I doubt anyone can confirm this rumor but curious what others thoughts
 are.  I'm looking to learn more Houdini and C4D for the volume of work but
 have no desire to use antiquated and archaic platforms like Maya and Max to
 be honest.

 Regardless, its tragic to see Soft slowing down and how it never managed
 to take over as the #1 option years ago.  It really is the best but a few
 limitations, bad timing and bad marketing didn't do it any favors.

 The community, addons, plugins and contributions though are incredible
 and I think thats the part I would miss the most.

 and discuss

 Kris

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Matt Morris

Can't agree enough - hear hear! Looking forward to the next bit of kick ass
work :)


On 20 December 2013 15:13, Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com wrote:

  +1  thanx for this refreshing and positive post, Adrian.

 Cheers to y'all!

 Eric.




-- 
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Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

PS.  Congratulations Walter amazing job!




2013/12/20 Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com

  Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.


 Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

 done with one of the last version of softimage:

 http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite




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 Animation  Digital Effects GmbH

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rumor, Maya is still a piece of crap

2013-12-20 Thread Greg Punchatz

With the joke that is Xgen,  and the rumors that Biofrost is simply 
awful,  it is being discussed in the halls of AD that all the people 
that made the decisions to buy Niad and Xgen are going to be fired.


Once Autodesk Shareholders realized by tuning into vimeo  that Autodesk 
already owned a product that did all these things better they asked for 
the heads of Mark Stevens and Chris Bradshaw for undermining the company 
by investing in the wrong product. The share holders said   Why are you 
blowing all this money on bad tech when you already have a product that 
can do the job 100x better?


Then Mark Schonagol was made king of the world.

all BS ... but I would prefer to start this rumor

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Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

2013-12-20 Thread Luca!!!!

Well, if we should have to listen rumors, I heard from a friend of mine
that he talked to persons inside Autodesk and they said that for sure
they are going to dismiss all of the 3 softwares in favor of a completely
new one

Well...do we have to still believe that?


2013/12/20 Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com

  Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.


 Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

 done with one of the last version of softimage:

 http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite




 --


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  Senior Animator

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 Animation  Digital Effects GmbH

 Kontorhaus Osthafen
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 60314 Frankfurt am Main
 Germany

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Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

I'll use it till it no longer runs.  My only problem is that if I need
additional help/talent...harder to find.  If I want to join another team
working on something else...I pretty much have to use something else.  I've
mentioned Softimage maybe to a dozen clients the past few months and they
look at me and say whats it called?  Its annoying..they have no clue.
 Maya, Max and C4D are so common that its like Coke and Pepsi...even my
retired neighbor knows what it is.  Just venting...but I can't complain.
 I'm still using it, loving it and...knock on wood...busy s I'll just
stop now.

And yes...great work Walter...really really nice piece!

Kris


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote:

 PS.  Congratulations Walter amazing job!




 2013/12/20 Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com

  Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.


 Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

 done with one of the last version of softimage:

 http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite




 --


 *Walter Volbers*
  Senior Animator

 *FIFTYEIGHT* 3D
 Animation  Digital Effects GmbH

 Kontorhaus Osthafen
 Lindleystraße 12
 60314 Frankfurt am Main
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Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

Ha...I'd welcome that.  They all have their short-comings.  Something new
for the cloud based age maybe!

Kris


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Luca superposit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, if we should have to listen rumors, I heard from a friend of mine
 that he talked to persons inside Autodesk and they said that for sure
 they are going to dismiss all of the 3 softwares in favor of a completely
 new one

 Well...do we have to still believe that?


 2013/12/20 Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com

  Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.


 Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

 done with one of the last version of softimage:

 http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite




 --


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  Senior Animator

 *FIFTYEIGHT* 3D
 Animation  Digital Effects GmbH

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 60314 Frankfurt am Main
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Re: rumor, Maya is still a piece of crap

 Ha ha ha ha...brilliant.

Kris


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Greg Punchatz g...@janimation.com wrote:

  With the joke that is Xgen,  and the rumors that Biofrost is simply
 awful,  it is being discussed in the halls of AD that all the people that
 made the decisions to buy Niad and Xgen are going to be fired.

 Once Autodesk Shareholders realized by tuning into vimeo  that Autodesk
 already owned a product that did all these things better they asked for the
 heads of Mark Stevens and Chris Bradshaw for undermining the company by
 investing in the wrong product. The share holders said   Why are you
 blowing all this money on bad tech when you already have a product that can
 do the job 100x better?

 Then Mark Schonagol was made king of the world.

 all BS ... but I would prefer to start this rumor

 --
  --
 *Greg Punchatz*
  *Sr. Creative Director*
 Janimation
 214.823.7760
 www.janimation.com

RE: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

i heard a rumour, Hitler was seen riding a dinosaur past the pyramids,
accompanied by a flying shark who sang show-tunes !!

 

boom!!

 

yes, i am drinking

 

 

 

a

 

  _  

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kris Rivel
Sent: 20 December 2013 17:42
To: Softimage List
Subject: Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

 

I'll use it till it no longer runs.  My only problem is that if I need
additional help/talent...harder to find.  If I want to join another team
working on something else...I pretty much have to use something else.  I've
mentioned Softimage maybe to a dozen clients the past few months and they
look at me and say whats it called?  Its annoying..they have no clue.
Maya, Max and C4D are so common that its like Coke and Pepsi...even my
retired neighbor knows what it is.  Just venting...but I can't complain.
I'm still using it, loving it and...knock on wood...busy s I'll just
stop now.

 

And yes...great work Walter...really really nice piece!

 

Kris

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com
wrote:

PS.  Congratulations Walter amazing job!






 

2013/12/20 Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com

Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.

 

 

Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

done with one of the last version of softimage:

http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite





-- 


Walter Volbers 
Senior Animator

FIFTYEIGHT 3D
Animation  Digital Effects GmbH

Kontorhaus Osthafen
Lindleystraße 12
60314 Frankfurt am Main
Germany

Telefon +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.50 tel:%2B49%20%280%29%2069.48%2%2055.50 
Telefax +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.15 tel:%2B49%20%280%29%2069.48%2%2055.15


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Re: rumor, Maya is still a piece of crap

2013-12-20 Thread Francisco Criado

lol


2013/12/20 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com

  Ha ha ha ha...brilliant.

 Kris


 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Greg Punchatz g...@janimation.comwrote:

  With the joke that is Xgen,  and the rumors that Biofrost is simply
 awful,  it is being discussed in the halls of AD that all the people that
 made the decisions to buy Niad and Xgen are going to be fired.

 Once Autodesk Shareholders realized by tuning into vimeo  that Autodesk
 already owned a product that did all these things better they asked for the
 heads of Mark Stevens and Chris Bradshaw for undermining the company by
 investing in the wrong product. The share holders said   Why are you
 blowing all this money on bad tech when you already have a product that can
 do the job 100x better?

 Then Mark Schonagol was made king of the world.

 all BS ... but I would prefer to start this rumor

 --
  --
 *Greg Punchatz*
  *Sr. Creative Director*
 Janimation
 214.823.7760
 www.janimation.com

Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

2013-12-20 Thread Nicolas Esposito

@Luca: Did tuo cuggino told you that? 'cause it sounds like it :-P

Anyway the what is this XSI thing has been around for very long time,
since the famous ones were always 3ds and Maya, so I wasn't surprised 8
years ago and I'm not surprised now, same old story

The main problem that I found is that if you want to look for a job and
Soft is your main tool that IS a problem, since lots of studios around uses
Maya/3ds/C4D and so on...

2013/12/20 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com

 Ha...I'd welcome that.  They all have their short-comings.  Something new
 for the cloud based age maybe!

 Kris



 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Luca superposit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Well, if we should have to listen rumors, I heard from a friend of mine
 that he talked to persons inside Autodesk and they said that for sure
 they are going to dismiss all of the 3 softwares in favor of a completely
 new one

 Well...do we have to still believe that?


 2013/12/20 Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com

  Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.


 Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

 done with one of the last version of softimage:

 http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite




 --


 *Walter Volbers*
  Senior Animator

 *FIFTYEIGHT* 3D
 Animation  Digital Effects GmbH

 Kontorhaus Osthafen
 Lindleystraße 12
 60314 Frankfurt am Main
 Germany

 Telefon +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.50
 Telefax +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.15



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 www.keyvis.at ste...@keyvis.at
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RE: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

ahhh crap, can't help keep getting pulled back into this f*@king thread!

 

i tell clients we use softimage, they say... is that like maya? and i say
no, softimage, it was the software that won an oscar for the dinosaurs in
jurassic park, its the software that built ILM!

 

and then they shut the feck up.

 

a

 

  _  

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Nicolas
Esposito
Sent: 20 December 2013 17:49
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

 

@Luca: Did tuo cuggino told you that? 'cause it sounds like it :-P

 

Anyway the what is this XSI thing has been around for very long time,
since the famous ones were always 3ds and Maya, so I wasn't surprised 8
years ago and I'm not surprised now, same old story

 

The main problem that I found is that if you want to look for a job and Soft
is your main tool that IS a problem, since lots of studios around uses
Maya/3ds/C4D and so on...

 

2013/12/20 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com

Ha...I'd welcome that.  They all have their short-comings.  Something new
for the cloud based age maybe!

 

Kris

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Luca superposit...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, if we should have to listen rumors, I heard from a friend of mine that
he talked to persons inside Autodesk and they said that for sure they are
going to dismiss all of the 3 softwares in favor of a completely new one


Well...do we have to still believe that? 

 

2013/12/20 Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com

Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.

 

 

Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

done with one of the last version of softimage:

http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite





-- 


Walter Volbers 
Senior Animator

FIFTYEIGHT 3D
Animation  Digital Effects GmbH

Kontorhaus Osthafen
Lindleystraße 12
60314 Frankfurt am Main
Germany

Telefon +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.50 tel:%2B49%20%280%29%2069.48%2%2055.50 
Telefax +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.15 tel:%2B49%20%280%29%2069.48%2%2055.15


mailto:w...@fiftyeight.com
http://www.fiftyeight.com


 
ESC58 
Eine Kooperation der escape GmbH und der FIFTYEIGHT3D GmbH

http://www.ESC58.de  http://www.ESC58.de 





-- 

---
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---
keyvis digital imagery
Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3
A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien
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www.keyvis.at ste...@keyvis.at
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Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

2013-12-20 Thread Luca!!!!

Lol, Nicolas... no.. not mio cugino, just a friend working in the
industry that talked with some Autodesk people. Of course today it's
difficult to believe that, since Maya is so pushed ahead...


2013/12/20 Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com

 @Luca: Did tuo cuggino told you that? 'cause it sounds like it :-P

 Anyway the what is this XSI thing has been around for very long time,
 since the famous ones were always 3ds and Maya, so I wasn't surprised 8
 years ago and I'm not surprised now, same old story

 The main problem that I found is that if you want to look for a job and
 Soft is your main tool that IS a problem, since lots of studios around uses
 Maya/3ds/C4D and so on...

 2013/12/20 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com

 Ha...I'd welcome that.  They all have their short-comings.  Something new
 for the cloud based age maybe!

 Kris



 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Luca superposit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Well, if we should have to listen rumors, I heard from a friend of mine
 that he talked to persons inside Autodesk and they said that for sure
 they are going to dismiss all of the 3 softwares in favor of a completely
 new one

 Well...do we have to still believe that?


 2013/12/20 Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com

  Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.


 Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

 done with one of the last version of softimage:

 http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite




 --


 *Walter Volbers*
  Senior Animator

 *FIFTYEIGHT* 3D
 Animation  Digital Effects GmbH

 Kontorhaus Osthafen
 Lindleystraße 12
 60314 Frankfurt am Main
 Germany

 Telefon +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.50
 Telefax +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.15



 *mailto:w...@fiftyeight.com w...@fiftyeight.com
 http://www.fiftyeight.com http://www.fiftyeight.com *

  
 ESC*58*
 Eine Kooperation der escape GmbH und der FIFTYEIGHT3D GmbH


 *http://www.ESC58.de http://www.ESC58.de *




 --
 ---
 Stefan Kubicek
 ---
 keyvis digital imagery
 Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3
 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien
 Phone: +43/699/12614231
 www.keyvis.at ste...@keyvis.at
 -- This email and its attachments are --
 --confidential and for the recipient only--




 --
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Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

I believe it, too! Every part of it! Except the drinking part ;)

- Original Message - 
From: adrian wyer 
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: RE: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

i heard a rumour, Hitler was seen riding a dinosaur past the pyramids, 
accompanied by a flying shark who sang show-tunes !!

boom!!

yes, i am drinking

a

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kris Rivel
Sent: 20 December 2013 17:42
To: Softimage List
Subject: Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

I'll use it till it no longer runs.  My only problem is that if I need 
additional help/talent...harder to find.  If I want to join another team 
working on something else...I pretty much have to use something else.  I've 
mentioned Softimage maybe to a dozen clients the past few months and they look 
at me and say whats it called?  Its annoying..they have no clue.  Maya, Max 
and C4D are so common that its like Coke and Pepsi...even my retired neighbor 
knows what it is.  Just venting...but I can't complain.  I'm still using it, 
loving it and...knock on wood...busy s I'll just stop now.

And yes...great work Walter...really really nice piece!

Kris

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote:

PS.  Congratulations Walter amazing job!

2013/12/20 Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com

Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.

  Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

  done with one of the last version of softimage:

  http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite

  -- 

  Walter Volbers 
  Senior Animator

  FIFTYEIGHT 3D
  Animation  Digital Effects GmbH

  Kontorhaus Osthafen
  Lindleystraße 12
  60314 Frankfurt am Main
  Germany

  Telefon +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.50
  Telefax +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.15 

  mailto:w...@fiftyeight.com
  http://www.fiftyeight.com

  ESC58 
  Eine Kooperation der escape GmbH und der FIFTYEIGHT3D GmbH

  http://www.ESC58.de 

-- 

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---
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Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3
A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien
Phone: +43/699/12614231
www.keyvis.at ste...@keyvis.at
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Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

2013-12-20 Thread Greg Punchatz

Like 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:51 AM, adrian wyer adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com 
 wrote:
 
 ahhh crap, can't help keep getting pulled back into this f*@king thread!
  
 i tell clients we use softimage, they say... is that like maya? and i say 
 no, softimage, it was the software that won an oscar for the dinosaurs in 
 jurassic park, its the software that built ILM!
  
 and then they shut the feck up.
  
 a
  
 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Nicolas Esposito
 Sent: 20 December 2013 17:49
 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 Subject: Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year
  
 @Luca: Did tuo cuggino told you that? 'cause it sounds like it :-P
  
 Anyway the what is this XSI thing has been around for very long time, since 
 the famous ones were always 3ds and Maya, so I wasn't surprised 8 years ago 
 and I'm not surprised now, same old story
  
 The main problem that I found is that if you want to look for a job and Soft 
 is your main tool that IS a problem, since lots of studios around uses 
 Maya/3ds/C4D and so on...
  
 2013/12/20 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com
 Ha...I'd welcome that.  They all have their short-comings.  Something new for 
 the cloud based age maybe!
  
 Kris
  
  
 
 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Luca superposit...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, if we should have to listen rumors, I heard from a friend of mine that 
 he talked to persons inside Autodesk and they said that for sure they are 
 going to dismiss all of the 3 softwares in favor of a completely new one
 
 Well...do we have to still believe that?
  
 
 2013/12/20 Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com
 Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.
  
  
 Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:
 
 done with one of the last version of softimage:
 
 http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 
 
 Walter Volbers 
 Senior Animator
 
 FIFTYEIGHT 3D
 Animation  Digital Effects GmbH
 
 Kontorhaus Osthafen
 Lindleystraße 12
 60314 Frankfurt am Main
 Germany
 
 Telefon +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.50
 Telefax +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.15 
 
 mailto:w...@fiftyeight.com
 http://www.fiftyeight.com
 
 
  
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 Eine Kooperation der escape GmbH und der FIFTYEIGHT3D GmbH
 
 http://www.ESC58.de
 
 
 
 
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Re: positivity

Few people are as big a fan of Soft as I am. I've been using it since
1995, Soft 3D 3.0 and Soft is still all I use. You will get no argument
from me about how great it is to work with. In my experience, it's very
rare someone who has started using it after having experience with Maya or
Max come away from it a little surprised at how much easier it is to be
productive.

Positive, negative, my mood is irrelevant towards it. I don't know what
action if anything would have a meaningful impact on what amounts to a
business decision. We've all seen how it's been marketed, the proof is in
what you see in front of you, not platitudes meanwhile ICE like modules (or
at least last I heard) are in development for Maya. Along with BetaMax and
Commodore Amiga, it's not the first time hype won over a good product.
Diplomacy is the art of saying Nice doggie until you can find a rock. So
when I hear one thing and see another, it's that saying that comes to mind.

I'm just a lone freelancer, the only people on this list who have any pull
are the CG supervisors, leads and studio owners who have the ability to
decide where their dollars go. I would certainly love to be completely
wrong and have to apologize, trust me.  Sorry if I upset anyone with my
comments... As I am writing this, I see Kris has managed to take the can of
worms I opened and proceeded to throw them all over the room and set the
place on fire.

Have a great Holiday everyone.

Eric




Freelance 3D and VFX animator

http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Stephan Haitz sha...@3d-agenten.dewrote:

  Thought about paying the subscription lately and ... I paid it to show
 Autodesk that there are Softimage users...  naive thinking, but ...

 So Merry Christmas and have a nice 2014. And many more years with Soft...


   Absolutley!

  People said the Mayans said that the world will end in 2013  And here
 we are!

  Merry Christmas and Happy New* 2014 *to all of you!






 2013/12/20 Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com

 Amen!
 F.



 2013/12/20 Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com

  Some facts. Softimage work done by the likes of glassworks, mill,
 analog, aka, passion and others have been winning the major share of the
 prestigious BTAA and Cannes lions for the last 10 years and in the last 3
 it has been an overwhelming round.

  Well said Adrian

  Jb

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:56, Christian Gotzinger cgo...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

   Thank you, finally some positivity! I never participate in all the
 rants because they annoy me to no end.


  On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM, adrian wyer 
 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com wrote:

  Hey guys, just wanted to raise some points regarding the general mood
 of users and the future of our little group



 Lately the list has been falling into the habit of turning many threads
 into a doom saying, end-of-the-world kind of vibe (not discounting my self
 here)



 When i first joined this list (and the much missed Discussion list) it
 was an invaluable resource for shared knowledge, instruction, encouragement
 and feedback (both positive and negative) also it was great place to find
 out about cheese and monkeys! (i'm looking at you Ed)



 While i still find the list to be a hugely valuable resource for
 techniques and news, we are occasionally running into the doom laden tech
 equivalent of Godwin's law!

 This list is a gift, as many of you know, when compared with other
 online forums/mailing lists, in that it's mostly self moderated and, on the
 whole, a nice place to hang out.

 There's obviously been some doubt and uncertainty regarding the future
 of our software (no different from many other package's forums, the
 industry IS constantly shifting), and believe me i have a VERY vested
 interest in the continued use of Soft, i have NO intention of abandoning
 ship at the first sign of choppy waters. (frankly i'd rather step away from
 the computer, than be forced to learn an older/inferior application)
 But there IS a future, the app isn't dead, the community might be smaller,
 but there is still a wealth of skill and experience here, and i hope, by
 force of will, we'll be able to keep the fires burning!



 If anything is going to bring about the end of Softimage as we know it,
 it won't be some bean counter in an office at Autodyne (cyberdesk?) it will
 be the lack of users



 While we can't 'make' autodesk push soft, our work speaks volumes for
 it's quality, and that work is getting better and more high profile than
 it's been in ages.

 What we CAN do is tell people in the industry how enabling the software
 is, how it helps us hit deadlines, create amazing imagery and break
 technical boundaries that other DCC apps really do struggle with. By
 spreading the word other software users and students get to hear what a
 great app it is, they might try it, they might get hooked, and then we
 benefit by having a new talent pool. If there's

Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

Rumors should stay rumors and not get sent around on channels like this 
unless 90% verified...  my opinion at least.


Eric T.

Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

HAHAHAHA, great work!!

Eric

Freelance 3D and VFX animator

http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work


2013/12/20 wavo w...@fiftyeight.com

  Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

 done with one of the last version of softimage:

 http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite




 --


 *Walter Volbers*
  Senior Animator

 *FIFTYEIGHT* 3D
 Animation  Digital Effects GmbH

 Kontorhaus Osthafen
 Lindleystraße 12
 60314 Frankfurt am Main
 Germany

 Telefon +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.50
 Telefax +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.15



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Re: positivity

Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that 
snowballs into a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In recent 
times I have to think twice about posting to the list because I'm 
afraid my thread will get pulled into the black hole of negativity and 
what could have been a helpful / informative thread will be turned into 
a bitch-fest.


The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that direction 
seriously almost made me unsubscribe.


If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at it. 
Just stop hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, 
in general).


- Eric T.

Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

The illuminati sent you... DIDN'T THEY

Freelance 3D and VFX animator

http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:45 PM, adrian wyer 
adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com wrote:

 i heard a rumour, Hitler was seen riding a dinosaur past the
 pyramids, accompanied by a flying shark who sang show-tunes !!



 boom!!



 yes, i am drinking







 a


  --

 *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
 softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Kris Rivel
 *Sent:* 20 December 2013 17:42
 *To:* Softimage List
 *Subject:* Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year



 I'll use it till it no longer runs.  My only problem is that if I need
 additional help/talent...harder to find.  If I want to join another team
 working on something else...I pretty much have to use something else.  I've
 mentioned Softimage maybe to a dozen clients the past few months and they
 look at me and say whats it called?  Its annoying..they have no clue.
  Maya, Max and C4D are so common that its like Coke and Pepsi...even my
 retired neighbor knows what it is.  Just venting...but I can't complain.
  I'm still using it, loving it and...knock on wood...busy s I'll just
 stop now.



 And yes...great work Walter...really really nice piece!



 Kris



 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com
 wrote:

 PS.  Congratulations Walter amazing job!




 2013/12/20 Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com

 Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.





 Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

 done with one of the last version of softimage:

 http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite



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Re: rumor, Maya is still a piece of crap

Well this topic reminded me this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR7UWImpG54




2013/12/20 Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com

 lol


 2013/12/20 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com

  Ha ha ha ha...brilliant.

 Kris


 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Greg Punchatz g...@janimation.comwrote:

  With the joke that is Xgen,  and the rumors that Biofrost is simply
 awful,  it is being discussed in the halls of AD that all the people that
 made the decisions to buy Niad and Xgen are going to be fired.

 Once Autodesk Shareholders realized by tuning into vimeo  that Autodesk
 already owned a product that did all these things better they asked for the
 heads of Mark Stevens and Chris Bradshaw for undermining the company by
 investing in the wrong product. The share holders said   Why are you
 blowing all this money on bad tech when you already have a product that can
 do the job 100x better?

 Then Mark Schonagol was made king of the world.

 all BS ... but I would prefer to start this rumor

 --
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  *Sr. Creative Director*
 Janimation
 214.823.7760
 www.janimation.com

Re: oculus rift sdk

2013-12-20 Thread Francisco Criado

Just wanted to add that i posted the same initiative on fe splice group,
and the idea has been very welcomed. Thought it would be great to have this
tool, not only in SI.


F.

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013, Francisco Criado wrote:

 Hi Andy,

 tried last night to send the sdk pdf to the mailing list,but it seems mail
 couldn´t make because of the attachment. My ftp is currently down, but it
 would be great to share sdk documentation and the c# files in case someone
 wants to get a look inside. Maybe wetransfer, but it has a certain amount
 of time on line.

 F.



 2013/12/18 Andy Moorer andymoo...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
 'andymoo...@gmail.com');

 I'm also playing with the rift and recently a couple of guys at an
 important Softimage using studio mentioned to me they were using the rift
 and unity. So Softimage tools for the rift clearly has value, glad to see
 this thread.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:17 PM, francisco criado 
 malcriad...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'malcriad...@gmail.com');
 wrote:

 Hi Mirko, nice to see at least two Softimage users with the rift, i´m
 currently learning unity and c#, and already imported material from Soft in
 Unity without any trouble. Just realized that having access to the complete
 c++ and c# code in the sdk  is like having a Mercedes and don´t know how to
 turn it on :S
 If i get into something useful i wil let you know. By now the only
 autodesk dcc app having access to the rift is Maya, which plugin is being
 sold for more than 200 bucks (no comments). And is just a python script
 that works with the viewport 2.0 and uses the stereo cams that already come
 in Autodesk products.
 Trying to figure out if it is posible in Softimage through HQ viewport.
 Again, if any of you guys want to give us a hand here, you are more than
 welcome, it would be great to see Softimage getting involved in VR.

 F.



 2013/12/17 Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com javascript:_e({},
 'cvml', 'mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com');

 I have no idea about coding I'm afraid but do have Oculus rift dev kit
 here so if you need testing I'm there :)


 On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:42 PM, francisco criado 
 malcriad...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'malcriad...@gmail.com');
  wrote:

 Hi guys,

 Just wanted to ask you if any of you is interested in helping on
 developing an Oculus plugin for Softimage. The idea is to build a free
 plugin that would help our comunity to use this when the consumer product
 comes to the market. I have access to the sdk and the c# sources that may
 help (a lot), and i´m trying by my self, but since i began learning coding
 a few months ago, its getting quite difficult.Thought that maybe any of you
 great coding gurus around here :)) might be interested. If so, let me know!

 Greetings,
 Francisco.

Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

2013-12-20 Thread Steven Caron

start telling them it is proprietary software you use... then they will
say... 'oooh, cool!'

s

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:51 AM, adrian wyer adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com
 wrote:



 i tell clients we use softimage, they say... is that like maya? and i
 say no, softimage, it was the software that won an oscar for the dinosaurs
 in jurassic park, its the software that built ILM!

Re: positivity

Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.  I'm not trying to start
anything...just want to see if I'm the only one hearing this.  I told the
guys that told me to go tell the people that said this to go F themselves
for what its worth.  It does piss me off to see rumors like this butI
do sit at home mostly working all day and night.  I don't get to mingle
with my peers as much as I used to so I didn't know if this may be old news
or something new.  Sounds bunk so I'll leave it at that :-)

Kris

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote:

 Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that snowballs
 into a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In recent times I have to
 think twice about posting to the list because I'm afraid my thread will get
 pulled into the black hole of negativity and what could have been a helpful
 / informative thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

 The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that direction
 seriously almost made me unsubscribe.

 If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at it. Just
 stop hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, in
 general).

 - Eric T.

RE: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Ed Harriss

Maybe we need to go back to a multi-address list system like we had in the old 
days. There was the discussion list, which was all fun/monkeys/cheese/Porl and 
there was the Softimage list, which is pretty much what we are using now. There 
were even other lists like eddie, particle, etc.. (Yea, I'm old.) Anyway, we 
could have this list stay a Softimage list and create another one for all the 
gloom and doom.

Perfect!

Now get to work Autodesk listproc person! ;)
Thanks!

Happy Holidays!
Ed cheese and monkeys Harriss

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kris Rivel
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:33 PM
To: Softimage List
Subject: Re: positivity

Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.  I'm not trying to start anything...just 
want to see if I'm the only one hearing this.  I told the guys that told me to 
go tell the people that said this to go F themselves for what its worth.  It 
does piss me off to see rumors like this butI do sit at home mostly working 
all day and night.  I don't get to mingle with my peers as much as I used to so 
I didn't know if this may be old news or something new.  Sounds bunk so I'll 
leave it at that :-)

Kris
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge 
ethivie...@hybride.commailto:ethivie...@hybride.com wrote:
Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that snowballs into 
a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In recent times I have to think 
twice about posting to the list because I'm afraid my thread will get pulled 
into the black hole of negativity and what could have been a helpful / 
informative thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that direction seriously 
almost made me unsubscribe.

If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at it. Just stop 
hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, in general).

- Eric T.

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Meng-Yang Lu

Regardless if it's true or not, the take-away should be what we value.  A
strong platform for development, a strong community who are passionate
about pursuing technology and art, and a workflow that keeps our working
hours short and beer glasses full.

If we embrace these ideas whole-heartedly, then the only thing needed is a
strong platform to rebuild these ideas upon.  It doesn't have to be owned
by an evil company or fly under the banner of a familiar name.  There are
already technologies out there that hold this promise.  And by redirecting
the talents of artist and developers onto something that is a bit more
open, it will also create a wake of opportunities and ultimately providing
more jobs.

There's a lot to look forward to.  As these emerging technologies mature,
we'll find there are even more interesting projects that may not have been
present on our radar, but could greatly benefit from our skills, talent,
and passion.

The future is extremely bright.

Merry Christmas everyone!

-Lu



On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.  I'm not trying to start
 anything...just want to see if I'm the only one hearing this.  I told the
 guys that told me to go tell the people that said this to go F themselves
 for what its worth.  It does piss me off to see rumors like this butI
 do sit at home mostly working all day and night.  I don't get to mingle
 with my peers as much as I used to so I didn't know if this may be old news
 or something new.  Sounds bunk so I'll leave it at that :-)

 Kris


 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.comwrote:

 Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that snowballs
 into a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In recent times I have to
 think twice about posting to the list because I'm afraid my thread will get
 pulled into the black hole of negativity and what could have been a helpful
 / informative thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

 The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that direction
 seriously almost made me unsubscribe.

 If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at it. Just
 stop hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, in
 general).

 - Eric T.

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES]

Well said!  I'm looking forward to the future to be honest.  There's a lot
of great new things I think on the horizon, especially with the
cloud...look at Clara.io and Lagoa.  In the meantime, we have Soft,
Mootzoid, Exocortex and all the other cool stuff!  Looking forward to
2014...whatever may happen.

Kris


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Meng-Yang Lu ntmon...@gmail.com wrote:

 Regardless if it's true or not, the take-away should be what we value.  A
 strong platform for development, a strong community who are passionate
 about pursuing technology and art, and a workflow that keeps our working
 hours short and beer glasses full.

 If we embrace these ideas whole-heartedly, then the only thing needed is a
 strong platform to rebuild these ideas upon.  It doesn't have to be owned
 by an evil company or fly under the banner of a familiar name.  There are
 already technologies out there that hold this promise.  And by redirecting
 the talents of artist and developers onto something that is a bit more
 open, it will also create a wake of opportunities and ultimately providing
 more jobs.

 There's a lot to look forward to.  As these emerging technologies mature,
 we'll find there are even more interesting projects that may not have been
 present on our radar, but could greatly benefit from our skills, talent,
 and passion.

 The future is extremely bright.

 Merry Christmas everyone!

 -Lu



 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.  I'm not trying to start
 anything...just want to see if I'm the only one hearing this.  I told the
 guys that told me to go tell the people that said this to go F themselves
 for what its worth.  It does piss me off to see rumors like this butI
 do sit at home mostly working all day and night.  I don't get to mingle
 with my peers as much as I used to so I didn't know if this may be old news
 or something new.  Sounds bunk so I'll leave it at that :-)

 Kris


 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge 
 ethivie...@hybride.comwrote:

 Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that
 snowballs into a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In recent times I
 have to think twice about posting to the list because I'm afraid my thread
 will get pulled into the black hole of negativity and what could have been
 a helpful / informative thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

 The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that direction
 seriously almost made me unsubscribe.

 If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at it. Just
 stop hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, in
 general).

 - Eric T.

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread sc...@turbulenceffects.com

Thanks Kris, Merry Christmas to everyone here as well. Eric T, thanks for 
hanging in. Your opinions and contributions here are most valued. Thank you. 
Scott 

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint

- Reply message -
From: Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: positivity
Date: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 1:11 PM

Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that snowballs into 
a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In recent times I have to think 
twice about posting to the list because I'm afraid my thread will get pulled 
into the black hole of negativity and what could have been a helpful / 
informative thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that direction seriously 
almost made me unsubscribe.

If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at it. Just stop 
hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, in general).

- Eric T.

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread sc...@turbulenceffects.com

Ha ha yeah Ed, you're old. But dang, so am I. 

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint

- Reply message -
From: Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: positivity
Date: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 2:07 PM
Maybe we need to go back to a multi-address list system like we had in the old 
days. There was the discussion list, which was all fun/monkeys/cheese/Porl and
there was the Softimage list, which is pretty much what we are using now. There 
were even other lists like eddie, particle, etc.. (Yea, I’m old..) Anyway, we 
could have this list stay a Softimage list and create another one for all the 
gloom and doom.

Perfect!

Now get to work Autodesk listproc person! ;)
Thanks!

Happy Holidays!
Ed “cheese and monkeys” Harriss

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
On Behalf Of Kris Rivel

Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:33 PM

To: Softimage List

Subject: Re: positivity

Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.  I'm not trying to start anything...just 
want to see if I'm the only one hearing this.  I told the guys that told me to 
go tell the people that said this to go F themselves for what its worth.  It
does piss me off to see rumors like this butI do sit at home mostly working 
all day and night.  I don't get to mingle with my peers as much as I used to so 
I didn't know if this may be old news or something new.  Sounds bunk so I'll 
leave it at that :-)

Kris

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com wrote:

Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that snowballs into 
a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In recent times I have to think 
twice about posting to the list because I'm afraid my
thread will get pulled into the black hole of negativity and what could have 
been a helpful / informative thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that direction seriously 
almost made me unsubscribe.

If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at it. Just stop 
hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, in general)..

- Eric T.

Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

2013-12-20 Thread Cesar Saez

Or sending them to softimage.tv :P



On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Steven Caron car...@gmail.com wrote:

 start telling them it is proprietary software you use... then they will
 say... 'oooh, cool!'

 s


 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:51 AM, adrian wyer 
 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com wrote:



 i tell clients we use softimage, they say... is that like maya? and i
 say no, softimage, it was the software that won an oscar for the dinosaurs
 in jurassic park, its the software that built ILM!

Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

2013-12-20 Thread Graham Bell

Ok, time to put this rumour to bed…..it was Lord Lucan riding Shergar, jumping 
over piles of odd socks.


G



From: Adrian Wyer 
adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.commailto:adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com
Reply-To: 
softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:45:05 +
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

i heard a rumour, Hitler was seen riding a dinosaur past the pyramids, 
accompanied by a flying shark who sang show-tunes !!

boom!!

yes, i am drinking



a


From:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Kris Rivel
Sent: 20 December 2013 17:42
To: Softimage List
Subject: Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

I'll use it till it no longer runs.  My only problem is that if I need 
additional help/talent...harder to find.  If I want to join another team 
working on something else...I pretty much have to use something else.  I've 
mentioned Softimage maybe to a dozen clients the past few months and they look 
at me and say whats it called?  Its annoying..they have no clue.  Maya, Max 
and C4D are so common that its like Coke and Pepsi...even my retired neighbor 
knows what it is.  Just venting...but I can't complain.  I'm still using it, 
loving it and...knock on wood...busy s I'll just stop now.

And yes...great work Walter...really really nice piece!

Kris

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez 
emi...@e-roja.commailto:emi...@e-roja.com wrote:
PS.  Congratulations Walter amazing job!

[%20]

2013/12/20 Stefan Kubicek 
s...@tidbit-images.commailto:s...@tidbit-images.com
Wow, that must have been a lot of work! Looks f***ing awesome.


Merry Xmas and a happy new Year:

done with one of the last version of softimage:

http://www.bang-awards.com/en/movie/362-mite



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FIFTYEIGHT 3D
Animation  Digital Effects GmbH

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60314 Frankfurt am Main
Germany

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Re: rumor, Soft dead within the next year

2013-12-20 Thread Sergio Mucino


  
  
I'm sorry, all you guys have bogus information. I'm not supposed to
disclose this, but in the name of transparency, it has to be done.
Autodesk has hired an ex-Tonka manager to run Softimage as PM. This
new manager assembled a team of Austronesians to re-write the
application from scratch. The entire app will be done in COBOL. ICE
will now have access to punch cards (via a custom I/O module), and
the product will come with actual printed manuals on 100% recycled
newspaper, and silver-plated binding. Oh, and the program will sport
learning incentives... modeling an object with more than 10,000
polys will unlock new modeling tools, for example. And of course,
everything runs from the cloud (it's COBOL, remember?). Exciting
times ahead.
 ;-) 
Merry christmas people!

On 20/12/2013 1:06 PM, Eric Thivierge
  wrote:

Rumors
  should stay rumors and not get sent around on channels like this
  unless 90% verified...  my opinion at least.
  
  
  Eric T.
  
  
  


--

RE: positivity

I can say I miss the cheese and monkeys humor and do wonder what Porl is up to 
these days.
But as for old…. Maybe we should have a contest.

What’s the oldest computer graphics system you worked on, and the year?
It doesn’t have to be 3D, it can be 2d, print, video, layout, etc. It just had 
to be a computer than did any kind of graphics.

Takers?

--
Joey Ponthieux
__
Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not
represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of 
sc...@turbulenceffects.com
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 2:24 PM
To: softimage@listproc. autodesk. com
Subject: Re: positivity

Ha ha yeah Ed, you're old. But dang, so am I.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint

- Reply message -
From: Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.commailto:ed.harr...@sas.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: positivity
Date: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 2:07 PM

Maybe we need to go back to a multi-address list system like we had in the old 
days. There was the discussion list, which was all fun/monkeys/cheese/Porl and 
there was the Softimage list, which is pretty much what we are using now. There 
were even other lists like eddie, particle, etc.. (Yea, I’m old..) Anyway, we 
could have this list stay a Softimage list and create another one for all the 
gloom and doom.

Perfect!

Now get to work Autodesk listproc person! ;)
Thanks!

Happy Holidays!
Ed “cheese and monkeys” Harriss

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kris Rivel
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:33 PM
To: Softimage List
Subject: Re: positivity

Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.  I'm not trying to start anything...just 
want to see if I'm the only one hearing this.  I told the guys that told me to 
go tell the people that said this to go F themselves for what its worth.  It 
does piss me off to see rumors like this butI do sit at home mostly working 
all day and night.  I don't get to mingle with my peers as much as I used to so 
I didn't know if this may be old news or something new.  Sounds bunk so I'll 
leave it at that :-)

Kris
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge 
ethivie...@hybride.commailto:ethivie...@hybride.com wrote:
Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that snowballs into 
a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In recent times I have to think 
twice about posting to the list because I'm afraid my thread will get pulled 
into the black hole of negativity and what could have been a helpful / 
informative thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that direction seriously 
almost made me unsubscribe.

If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at it. Just stop 
hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, in general)..

- Eric T.

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Meng-Yang Lu

1983 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lite-Brite

Did I win?  :P


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] 
j.ponthi...@nasa.gov wrote:

  I can say I miss the cheese and monkeys humor and do wonder what Porl is
 up to these days.

 But as for old…. Maybe we should have a contest.



 What’s the oldest computer graphics system you worked on, and the year?

 It doesn’t have to be 3D, it can be 2d, print, video, layout, etc. It just
 had to be a computer than did any kind of graphics.



 Takers?



 --

 Joey Ponthieux

 __

 Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not

 represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.



 *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
 softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *
 sc...@turbulenceffects.com
 *Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 2:24 PM
 *To:* softimage@listproc. autodesk. com
 *Subject:* Re: positivity



 Ha ha yeah Ed, you're old. But dang, so am I.

 Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint

  - Reply message -
 From: Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com
 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 Subject: positivity
 Date: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 2:07 PM



 Maybe we need to go back to a multi-address list system like we had in the
 old days. There was the discussion list, which was all
 fun/monkeys/cheese/Porl and there was the Softimage list, which is pretty
 much what we are using now. There were even other lists like eddie,
 particle, etc.. (Yea, I’m old..) Anyway, we could have this list stay a
 Softimage list and create another one for all the gloom and doom.



 Perfect!



 Now get to work Autodesk listproc person! ;)

 Thanks!



 Happy Holidays!

 Ed “cheese and monkeys” Harriss



 *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
 mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.comsoftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 *On Behalf Of *Kris Rivel
 *Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 1:33 PM
 *To:* Softimage List
 *Subject:* Re: positivity



 Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.  I'm not trying to start
 anything...just want to see if I'm the only one hearing this.  I told the
 guys that told me to go tell the people that said this to go F themselves
 for what its worth.  It does piss me off to see rumors like this butI
 do sit at home mostly working all day and night.  I don't get to mingle
 with my peers as much as I used to so I didn't know if this may be old news
 or something new.  Sounds bunk so I'll leave it at that :-)



 Kris

 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com
 wrote:

 Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that snowballs
 into a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In recent times I have to
 think twice about posting to the list because I'm afraid my thread will get
 pulled into the black hole of negativity and what could have been a helpful
 / informative thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

 The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that direction
 seriously almost made me unsubscribe.

 If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at it. Just
 stop hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, in
 general)..

 - Eric T.

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Alok Gandhi


Mine was this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum

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On 12/20/2013 5:08 PM, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] wrote:


I can say I miss the cheese and monkeys humor and do wonder what Porl 
is up to these days.


But as for old…. Maybe we should have a contest.

What’s the oldest computer graphics system you worked on, and the year?

It doesn’t have to be 3D, it can be 2d, print, video, layout, etc. It 
just had to be a computer than did any kind of graphics.


Takers?

--

Joey Ponthieux

__

Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not

represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of 
*sc...@turbulenceffects.com

*Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 2:24 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc. autodesk. com
*Subject:* Re: positivity

Ha ha yeah Ed, you're old. But dang, so am I.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint

- Reply message -
From: Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com mailto:ed.harr...@sas.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

Subject: positivity
Date: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 2:07 PM

Maybe we need to go back to a multi-address list system like we had in 
the old days. There was the discussion list, which was all 
fun/monkeys/cheese/Porl and there was the Softimage list, which is 
pretty much what we are using now. There were even other lists like 
eddie, particle, etc.. (Yea, I’m old..) Anyway, we could have this 
list stay a Softimage list and create another one for all the gloom 
and doom.


Perfect!

Now get to work Autodesk listproc person! ;)

Thanks!

Happy Holidays!

Ed “cheese and monkeys” Harriss

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Kris Rivel

*Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 1:33 PM
*To:* Softimage List
*Subject:* Re: positivity

Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.  I'm not trying to start 
anything...just want to see if I'm the only one hearing this.  I told 
the guys that told me to go tell the people that said this to go F 
themselves for what its worth.  It does piss me off to see rumors like 
this butI do sit at home mostly working all day and night.  I 
don't get to mingle with my peers as much as I used to so I didn't 
know if this may be old news or something new.  Sounds bunk so I'll 
leave it at that :-)


Kris

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge 
ethivie...@hybride.com mailto:ethivie...@hybride.com wrote:


Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that
snowballs into a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In
recent times I have to think twice about posting to the list
because I'm afraid my thread will get pulled into the black hole
of negativity and what could have been a helpful / informative
thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that
direction seriously almost made me unsubscribe.

If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at
it. Just stop hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically
Mr. Lampi, in general)..

- Eric T.

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Rares Halmagean

wow, I actually remember playing on one of those, and I was born a 
couple years before it came out.


Marry Christmas, Happy Holidays and Seasons greetings softies :).


On 12/20/2013 4:11 PM, Meng-Yang Lu wrote:

1983 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lite-Brite

Did I win?  :P


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Ponthieux, Joseph G. 
(LARC-E1A)[LITES] j.ponthi...@nasa.gov mailto:j.ponthi...@nasa.gov 
wrote:


I can say I miss the cheese and monkeys humor and do wonder what
Porl is up to these days.

But as for old…. Maybe we should have a contest.

What’s the oldest computer graphics system you worked on, and the
year?

It doesn’t have to be 3D, it can be 2d, print, video, layout, etc.
It just had to be a computer than did any kind of graphics.

Takers?

--

Joey Ponthieux

__

Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not

represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of
*sc...@turbulenceffects.com mailto:sc...@turbulenceffects.com
*Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 2:24 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc. autodesk. com
*Subject:* Re: positivity

Ha ha yeah Ed, you're old. But dang, so am I.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint

- Reply message -
From: Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com mailto:ed.harr...@sas.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: positivity
Date: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 2:07 PM

Maybe we need to go back to a multi-address list system like we
had in the old days. There was the discussion list, which was all
fun/monkeys/cheese/Porl and there was the Softimage list, which is
pretty much what we are using now. There were even other lists
like eddie, particle, etc.. (Yea, I’m old..) Anyway, we could have
this list stay a Softimage list and create another one for all the
gloom and doom.

Perfect!

Now get to work Autodesk listproc person! ;)

Thanks!

Happy Holidays!

Ed “cheese and monkeys” Harriss

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of
*Kris Rivel
*Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 1:33 PM
*To:* Softimage List
*Subject:* Re: positivity

Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.  I'm not trying to start
anything...just want to see if I'm the only one hearing this.  I
told the guys that told me to go tell the people that said this to
go F themselves for what its worth.  It does piss me off to see
rumors like this butI do sit at home mostly working all day
and night.  I don't get to mingle with my peers as much as I used
to so I didn't know if this may be old news or something new.
 Sounds bunk so I'll leave it at that :-)

Kris

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge
ethivie...@hybride.com mailto:ethivie...@hybride.com wrote:

Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking
that snowballs into a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it.
In recent times I have to think twice about posting to the
list because I'm afraid my thread will get pulled into the
black hole of negativity and what could have been a helpful /
informative thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that
direction seriously almost made me unsubscribe.

If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have
at it. Just stop hijacking threads with it (not aimed
specifically Mr. Lampi, in general)..

- Eric T.




--
*Rares Halmagean
___
*visual development and 3d character  content creation.
*rarebrush.com* http://rarebrush.com/

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Rares Halmagean


Actually way before that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lite-Brite...


On 12/20/2013 4:24 PM, Rares Halmagean wrote:
wow, I actually remember playing on one of those, and I was born a 
couple years before it came out.


Marry Christmas, Happy Holidays and Seasons greetings softies :). 


--
*Rares Halmagean
___
*visual development and 3d character  content creation.
*rarebrush.com* http://rarebrush.com/

RE: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES]

The first graphics system I ever used was a Compugraphic 7770 II in 1984.

http://www.prepressure.com/prepress/history/events-1970-1979
(contains a pic of a Compugraphic EditWriter 7500 which preceded it)

--
Joey Ponthieux
__
Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not
represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Ponthieux, Joseph 
G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:09 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: positivity

I can say I miss the cheese and monkeys humor and do wonder what Porl is up to 
these days.
But as for old…. Maybe we should have a contest.

What’s the oldest computer graphics system you worked on, and the year?
It doesn’t have to be 3D, it can be 2d, print, video, layout, etc. It just had 
to be a computer than did any kind of graphics.

Takers?

--
Joey Ponthieux
__
Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not
represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of 
sc...@turbulenceffects.commailto:sc...@turbulenceffects.com
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 2:24 PM
To: softimage@listproc. autodesk. com
Subject: Re: positivity

Ha ha yeah Ed, you're old. But dang, so am I.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint
- Reply message -
From: Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.commailto:ed.harr...@sas.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: positivity
Date: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 2:07 PM

Maybe we need to go back to a multi-address list system like we had in the old 
days. There was the discussion list, which was all fun/monkeys/cheese/Porl and 
there was the Softimage list, which is pretty much what we are using now. There 
were even other lists like eddie, particle, etc.. (Yea, I’m old..) Anyway, we 
could have this list stay a Softimage list and create another one for all the 
gloom and doom.

Perfect!

Now get to work Autodesk listproc person! ;)
Thanks!

Happy Holidays!
Ed “cheese and monkeys” Harriss

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kris Rivel
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:33 PM
To: Softimage List
Subject: Re: positivity

Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.  I'm not trying to start anything...just 
want to see if I'm the only one hearing this.  I told the guys that told me to 
go tell the people that said this to go F themselves for what its worth.  It 
does piss me off to see rumors like this butI do sit at home mostly working 
all day and night.  I don't get to mingle with my peers as much as I used to so 
I didn't know if this may be old news or something new.  Sounds bunk so I'll 
leave it at that :-)

Kris
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge 
ethivie...@hybride.commailto:ethivie...@hybride.com wrote:
Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that snowballs into 
a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In recent times I have to think 
twice about posting to the list because I'm afraid my thread will get pulled 
into the black hole of negativity and what could have been a helpful / 
informative thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that direction seriously 
almost made me unsubscribe.

If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at it. Just stop 
hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, in general)..

- Eric T.

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Sergio Mucino


  
  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64
During '82-'83, I think. Programmed graphics in Basic reading a
bunch of Data statements and feeding those to draw calls. Ah,
painting 1 pixel at the time... (not missing it, really... but at
the time, it felt like magic).

On 20/12/2013 5:08 PM, Ponthieux,
  Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] wrote:


  
  
  
  
I
  can say I miss the cheese and monkeys humor and do wonder
  what Porl is up to these days.
  
But
as for old…. Maybe we should have a contest.

 
What’s
the oldest computer graphics system you worked on, and the
year?
It
doesn’t have to be 3D, it can be 2d, print, video, layout,
etc. It just had to be a computer than did any kind of
graphics.
 
Takers?
 

  --
  Joey
  Ponthieux
  __
  Opinions
  stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not
  
  represent
  the opinions of NASA or any other party.

 

  
From:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
On Behalf Of sc...@turbulenceffects.com
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 2:24 PM
To: softimage@listproc. autodesk. com
Subject: Re: positivity
  

 
Ha
ha yeah Ed, you're old. But dang, so am I.


Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint



  -
  Reply message -
  From: "Ed Harriss" ed.harr...@sas.com
  To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com"
  softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
  Subject: positivity
  Date: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 2:07 PM

 
Maybe
we need to go back to a multi-address list system like we
had in the old days. There was the discussion list, which
was all fun/monkeys/cheese/Porl and there was the Softimage
list, which is pretty much what we are using now. There were
even other lists like eddie, particle, etc.. (Yea, I’m
old..) Anyway, we could have this list stay a Softimage list
and create another one for all the gloom and doom.

 
Perfect!
 
Now
get to work Autodesk listproc person! ;)
Thanks!
 
Happy
Holidays!
Ed
“cheese and monkeys” Harriss
 
From:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
On Behalf Of Kris Rivel
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:33 PM
To: Softimage List
Subject: Re: positivity
 

  Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.
 I'm not trying to start anything...just want to see if I'm
the only one hearing this.  I told the guys that told me to
go tell the people that said this to go F themselves for
what its worth.  It does piss me off to see rumors like this
butI do sit at home mostly working all day and night.  I
don't get to mingle with my peers as much as I used to so I
didn't know if this may be old news or something new.
 Sounds bunk so I'll leave it at that :-)
  
 
  
  
Kris

  On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric
Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com
wrote:
  
Only
  thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking
  that snowballs into a long slog of boohooism. I'm
  tired of it. In recent times I have to think twice
  about posting to the list because I'm afraid my thread
  will get pulled into the black hole of negativity and
  what could have been a helpful / informative thread
  will be turned into a bitch-fest.
  
  The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in
  that direction seriously almost made me unsubscribe.
  
  If you want to complain about the demise of a
  software, have at it. Just stop hijacking threads with
  it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, in general)..
  
  - Eric T.

Re: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Alok Gandhi

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image/gif

Re: positivity

WICAT systems, System 300 and 150.
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/wicat/brochures/System_300_Brochure.pdfhttp://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/wicat/brochures/WISE_Brochure.pdf

1988

I worked for a defense contractor making computer based training lessons
for a naval combat system. It had vector graphics program, it had a 16
color palette based on 4096 colors and one of 16 was used overlay laser
disc video. I didn't have a mouse or a gui. It was a command line
interface, to activate a drawing mode, cl - create line, cb- create box
etc... I had to use the arrow keys to move the cursor around to pin start
and end points for elements. I won't even get into what it took to do
animation on it.

My boss was a 55 year old retired Master Chief from Texas who ate ramen
noodles every day for lunch and never washed his coffee cup, EVER. He told
me once that a graphic I was working on was wrong because it looked skewed
if he looked at the screen off center.

Good times.

Eric

Freelance 3D and VFX animator

http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES]
j.ponthi...@nasa.gov wrote:

I can say I miss the cheese and monkeys humor and do wonder what Porl is
up to these days.

But as for old…. Maybe we should have a contest.

What’s the oldest computer graphics system you worked on, and the year?

It doesn’t have to be 3D, it can be 2d, print, video, layout, etc. It just
had to be a computer than did any kind of graphics.

Takers?

Joey Ponthieux

Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not

represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.

*From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *
sc...@turbulenceffects.com
*Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 2:24 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc. autodesk. com
*Subject:* Re: positivity

Ha ha yeah Ed, you're old. But dang, so am I.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint

- Reply message -
From: Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: positivity
Date: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 2:07 PM

Maybe we need to go back to a multi-address list system like we had in the
old days. There was the discussion list, which was all
fun/monkeys/cheese/Porl and there was the Softimage list, which is pretty
much what we are using now. There were even other lists like eddie,
particle, etc.. (Yea, I’m old..) Anyway, we could have this list stay a
Softimage list and create another one for all the gloom and doom.

Perfect!

Now get to work Autodesk listproc person! ;)

Thanks!

Happy Holidays!

Ed “cheese and monkeys” Harriss

*From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.comsoftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
*On Behalf Of *Kris Rivel
*Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 1:33 PM
*To:* Softimage List
*Subject:* Re: positivity

Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!! LOL. I'm not trying to start
anything...just want to see if I'm the only one hearing this. I told the
guys that told me to go tell the people that said this to go F themselves
for what its worth. It does piss me off to see rumors like this butI
do sit at home mostly working all day and night. I don't get to mingle
with my peers as much as I used to so I didn't know if this may be old news
or something new. Sounds bunk so I'll leave it at that :-)

Kris

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com
wrote:

Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that snowballs
into a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In recent times I have to
think twice about posting to the list because I'm afraid my thread will get
pulled into the black hole of negativity and what could have been a helpful
/ informative thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that direction
seriously almost made me unsubscribe.

If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at it. Just
stop hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, in
general)..

- Eric T.

RE: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Scott Lange

Ahem…. Ok cause you guys are Softimage friends… TRS 80 – 1980… actually before 
that… on a dec machine Star trek the game… in 1978… OMG…. I must be drunk… 
BARTENDER! COME DOWN HERE!

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Ponthieux, Joseph 
G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:09 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: positivity

 

I can say I miss the cheese and monkeys humor and do wonder what Porl is up to 
these days. 

But as for old…. Maybe we should have a contest. 

 

What’s the oldest computer graphics system you worked on, and the year?

It doesn’t have to be 3D, it can be 2d, print, video, layout, etc. It just had 
to be a computer than did any kind of graphics.

 

Takers?

 

--

Joey Ponthieux

__

Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not 

represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com  
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of 
sc...@turbulenceffects.com mailto:sc...@turbulenceffects.com 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 2:24 PM
To: softimage@listproc. autodesk. com
Subject: Re: positivity

 

Ha ha yeah Ed, you're old. But dang, so am I. 

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint

- Reply message -
From: Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com mailto:ed.harr...@sas.com 
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com  
softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: positivity
Date: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 2:07 PM

 

Maybe we need to go back to a multi-address list system like we had in the old 
days. There was the discussion list, which was all fun/monkeys/cheese/Porl and 
there was the Softimage list, which is pretty much what we are using now. There 
were even other lists like eddie, particle, etc.. (Yea, I’m old..) Anyway, we 
could have this list stay a Softimage list and create another one for all the 
gloom and doom. 

 

Perfect!

 

Now get to work Autodesk listproc person! ;)

Thanks!

 

Happy Holidays!

Ed “cheese and monkeys” Harriss

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com  
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kris Rivel
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:33 PM
To: Softimage List
Subject: Re: positivity

 

Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.  I'm not trying to start anything...just 
want to see if I'm the only one hearing this.  I told the guys that told me to 
go tell the people that said this to go F themselves for what its worth.  It 
does piss me off to see rumors like this butI do sit at home mostly working 
all day and night.  I don't get to mingle with my peers as much as I used to so 
I didn't know if this may be old news or something new.  Sounds bunk so I'll 
leave it at that :-)

 

Kris

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com 
mailto:ethivie...@hybride.com  wrote:

Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that snowballs into 
a long slog of boohooism. I'm tired of it. In recent times I have to think 
twice about posting to the list because I'm afraid my thread will get pulled 
into the black hole of negativity and what could have been a helpful / 
informative thread will be turned into a bitch-fest.

The emPolygonizer thread yesterday that was heading in that direction seriously 
almost made me unsubscribe.

If you want to complain about the demise of a software, have at it. Just stop 
hijacking threads with it (not aimed specifically Mr. Lampi, in general)..

- Eric T.

RE: positivity

2013-12-20 Thread Matt Lind

My computer graphics career has circular logic.

My first computer was the Apple II when I was barely in grade school and had to 
write commands to draw pictures like:

HLINE 60, 80
COLOR=8
RUN

In college I used the Amigas 500 thru 4000 systems with deluxe paint, video 
toaster, DCTV, Lightwave 0.9, and so on, but just before graduation I had the 
luxury of working with the ever popular Tandy TRS-80 for use with motion 
control camera stands to do multi-planar and slit scans.  Caused so much 
interference we couldn't get reception on the boombox despite being located 
only a few blocks away from the Sears Tower where the signals were broadcast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80

Shortly after that I got my chance on the SGI with Softimage Creative 
Environment 2.6




Matt




From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lampi
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 2:52 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: positivity

WICAT systems, System 300 and 150.
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/wicat/brochures/System_300_Brochure.pdfhttp://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/wicat/brochures/WISE_Brochure.pdf

1988

I worked for a defense contractor making computer based training lessons for a 
naval combat system.  It had vector graphics program, it had a 16 color palette 
based on 4096 colors and one of 16 was used overlay laser disc video. I didn't 
have a mouse or a gui. It was a command line interface, to activate a drawing 
mode, cl - create line, cb- create box etc... I had to use the arrow keys to 
move the cursor around to pin start and end points for elements. I won't even 
get into what it took to do animation on it.
My boss was a 55 year old retired Master Chief from Texas who ate ramen noodles 
every day for lunch and never washed his coffee cup, EVER. He told me once that 
a graphic I was working on was wrong because it looked skewed if he looked at 
the screen off center.

Good times.
Eric

Freelance 3D and VFX animator

http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] 
j.ponthi...@nasa.govmailto:j.ponthi...@nasa.gov wrote:
I can say I miss the cheese and monkeys humor and do wonder what Porl is up to 
these days.
But as for old Maybe we should have a contest.

What's the oldest computer graphics system you worked on, and the year?
It doesn't have to be 3D, it can be 2d, print, video, layout, etc. It just had 
to be a computer than did any kind of graphics.

Takers?

--
Joey Ponthieux
__
Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not
represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of sc...@turbulenceffects.commailto:sc...@turbulenceffects.com
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 2:24 PM
To: softimage@listproc. autodesk. com
Subject: Re: positivity

Ha ha yeah Ed, you're old. But dang, so am I.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint
- Reply message -
From: Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.commailto:ed.harr...@sas.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: positivity
Date: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 2:07 PM

Maybe we need to go back to a multi-address list system like we had in the old 
days. There was the discussion list, which was all fun/monkeys/cheese/Porl and 
there was the Softimage list, which is pretty much what we are using now. There 
were even other lists like eddie, particle, etc.. (Yea, I'm old..) Anyway, we 
could have this list stay a Softimage list and create another one for all the 
gloom and doom.

Perfect!

Now get to work Autodesk listproc person! ;)
Thanks!

Happy Holidays!
Ed cheese and monkeys Harriss

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kris Rivel
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:33 PM
To: Softimage List
Subject: Re: positivity

Ha ha...Merry Christmas to all!!  LOL.  I'm not trying to start anything...just 
want to see if I'm the only one hearing this.  I told the guys that told me to 
go tell the people that said this to go F themselves for what its worth.  It 
does piss me off to see rumors like this butI do sit at home mostly working 
all day and night.  I don't get to mingle with my peers as much as I used to so 
I didn't know if this may be old news or something new.  Sounds bunk so I'll 
leave it at that :-)

Kris
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Eric Thivierge 
ethivie...@hybride.commailto:ethivie...@hybride.com wrote:
Only thing I have beef with myself is the thread hijacking that snowballs into 
a long slog

Re: positivity

Well my first computer was an Apple II plus with 48k of RAM, two five inch
and half floppy drives. The first graphic I ever did was the cover album
of Judas Priest Screaming for Vengeance in that Apple II Plus with mouse
paint.

Cheers.

2013/12/20 Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com

My computer graphics career has circular logic.

My first computer was the Apple II when I was barely in grade school and
had to write commands to draw pictures like:

HLINE 60, 80

COLOR=8

RUN

In college I used the Amigas 500 thru 4000 systems with deluxe paint,
video toaster, DCTV, Lightwave 0.9, and so on, but just before graduation I
had the luxury of working with the ever popular Tandy TRS-80 for use with
motion control camera stands to do multi-planar and slit scans. Caused so
much interference we couldn’t get reception on the boombox despite being
located only a few blocks away from the Sears Tower where the signals were
broadcast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80

Shortly after that I got my chance on the SGI with Softimage Creative
Environment 2.6

Matt

*From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Lampi
*Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2013 2:52 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: positivity

WICAT systems, System 300 and 150.

http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/wicat/brochures/System_300_Brochure.pdfhttp://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/wicat/brochures/WISE_Brochure.pdf

1988

Good times.

Eric

Freelance 3D and VFX animator

http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES]
j.ponthi...@nasa.gov wrote:

I can say I miss the cheese and monkeys humor and do wonder what Porl is
up to these days.

But as for old…. Maybe we should have a contest.

What’s the oldest computer graphics system you worked on, and the year?

It doesn’t have to be 3D, it can be 2d, print, video, layout, etc. It just
had to be a computer than did any kind of graphics.

Takers?

Joey Ponthieux

Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not

represent the opinions of NASA or any other party.

Ha ha yeah Ed, you're old. But dang, so am I.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint

- Reply message -
From: Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: positivity
Date: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 2:07 PM

Perfect!

Now get to work Autodesk listproc person! ;)

Thanks!

Happy Holidays!

Ed “cheese and monkeys” Harriss

Kris

On Fri, Dec

Re: positivity