date:20110801


Larry wrote:

SM 2.0.14, Win XP SP3
With almost 1000 threads in this newsgroup, I'd some times like to find
a particular thread, but whenever I try to search it fails, with the
message A News (NNTP) error occurred: chaining not allowed.

What does this mean? What am I doing wrong?

Haven't seen this in a bit, but first what it means. Chaining means sending one 
command to a server, then sending another before the first completes. With some 
server software this might allow multiple commands to be running at once, but in 
general it just saves the time between client and server interaction. Some 
servers don't like this, because it could fill a network buffer, have multiple 
commands running at once, be used for spamming, or just because.


What to do? I thought there was a setting for this in the server part of the 
account setup, but I don't see it. None of the servers I use needs to have this 
changed so I didn't look all that hard, I thought I remembered a checkbox in the 
server settings, but that might have been a 1.1.x thing, or even 1.0.x, I've 
been using Seamonkey a long time.



Thanks for any advice anyone might have.

Since you have a reason to look harder than I do, and now you know what to look 
for, see if you can find anything related to chaining commands. Or find another 
server if possible, or live with the message. Your choice.



Larry



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Re: Scroll wheel clicking a link opens a new SeaMonkey window

2011-08-01 Thread Daniel


Valentim Terra wrote:

Is it possible to change the bahavior, make it open the link in a new Tab?

How can I do that?

Thanks in advance.


Valentim, I'm not certain how to answer you as your header information 
says you are using Thunderbird 5.0. If this is the case, then you need 
to look at Tools-Options, maybe!! Or, maybe, ask your question on 
mozilla.support.thunderbird group on the server.


If you are using SeaMonkey 2.2, have a look at 
Edit-Preferences-Browser-Tabbed Browsing and at 
Edit-Preferences-Browser-Link Behavior to see if they are set up 
correctly.


HTH

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Re: [Linux] Updating 2.0.14 to 2.2 a disaster for the bookmarks.

2011-08-01 Thread Robert Kaiser


Bernard Mercier schrieb:

I am confused now.
I continued to work so.
I added a bookmark and then looked where a change is made.
The bookmarks.html is still at the same date and time. So nothing was added
there.
But places.sqlite changes regularly date and time.


In 2.2, bookmarks.html is not used any more, all bookmarks are stored in 
places.sqlite. There is a hidden pref with which you can export 
bookmarks to the quasi-HTML file every time you close SeaMonkey, but it 
still will not use bookmarks from there but from places.sqlite.
We have code that should import the old bookmarks the first time you use 
2.1 or 2.2, and it works for most people but apparently sometimes fails. 
Importing manually from the bookmarks.html from bookmarks manager works, 
after that, you should not need the bookmarks.html file any more.


Robert Kaiser


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Re: Search Messages?

2011-08-01 Thread Larry


Daniel wrote:

Larry wrote:

SM 2.0.14, Win XP SP3
With almost 1000 threads in this newsgroup, I'd some times like to find
a particular thread, but whenever I try to search it fails, with the
message A News (NNTP) error occurred: chaining not allowed.

What does this mean? What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for any advice anyone might have.

Larry


Larry, as I understand it, this means that you are not allowed to
conduct a search on this server! (well, something like that!!)

However, all is not lost...

Down in the bottom right hand corner is what looks like a power
extension cord plugged into another extension cord (the On-Line
indicator). Click on this, i.e. go off-line, the do your search
(Tools-Search Messages), make your selections and see how you go.

Don't forget to come back on-line when finished searching.

HTH


Thank you, Daniel. That hadn't occurred to me. Seems to work!

Larry
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[Solved] Re: SM 2.3b1 Odd email header

On 08/01/2011 07:08 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
 NoOp wrote:
 Updated to 2.3b1 on a new profile/testing system and discovered an odd
 component in the email header that I've not seen before. See:
 http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/screenshotbug797718resu.png/
 [Circled area just below Subject). If I click the 'Update' button the
 header expands.

 I do not see this in my daily use machine (profile has been migrated
 from 1.x to 2.3x over time, so it's probably profile/settings related).

 What is this? Both machines are set to view only in plain text mode and
 show attachments inline.
 
 I suspect that this is now in the email header but in the message body. 
 Could 
 you use ^U (or View-Message Source) to see the text behind this? If possible 
 could you post it?
 
 The fact that clicking update does something leads me to suspect it is 
 triggering jave, or javascript, or in some way not honoring the request for 
 plain text only. However, if this information is in an attachment I don't 
 know 
 if the plain text only applies to the message itself, probably not, since 
 some 
 interpretation is needed to show picture attachments, etc.
 
 Message source will tell you/us what is happening.
 

Stéphane Grégoire on the dev group figured it out; apparently I'd
installed the xul-ext-bugmail extension:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/xul-ext-bugmail

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Re: SM 2.3b1 Odd email header


NoOp wrote:

Updated to 2.3b1 on a new profile/testing system and discovered an odd
component in the email header that I've not seen before. See:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/screenshotbug797718resu.png/
[Circled area just below Subject). If I click the 'Update' button the
header expands.

I do not see this in my daily use machine (profile has been migrated
from 1.x to 2.3x over time, so it's probably profile/settings related).

What is this? Both machines are set to view only in plain text mode and
show attachments inline.


I suspect that this is now in the email header but in the message body. Could 
you use ^U (or View-Message Source) to see the text behind this? If possible 
could you post it?


The fact that clicking update does something leads me to suspect it is 
triggering jave, or javascript, or in some way not honoring the request for 
plain text only. However, if this information is in an attachment I don't know 
if the plain text only applies to the message itself, probably not, since some 
interpretation is needed to show picture attachments, etc.


Message source will tell you/us what is happening.

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SM Exchange server

2011-08-01 Thread hawker

Re recently went over to an MS Exchange server at work and I changed my 
E-mail from POP to IMAP to support it. All this happened with SM 2.2 as 
well.


Since then I have had messages that come up blank and messages where I 
can't see the attachments. Both look fine in the web client but not on 
SM. I have not seen these kinds of issues before.  I don't even know 
where to start to track this down or fix it. Any ideas on how to get the 
attachments to show?  It doesn't happen on all e-mail, just some.


Is this a SM 2.2 issue? An IMAP issue? A Avast issue?  Does SM just not 
play nicely with Exchange? Does Thunderbird play any nicer?


I'm wondering if this is going to force me over to GASP - Outlook?
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Re: Moving contacts between address books


Ray_Net wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

upscope wrote:

On Saturday, July 30, 2011 08:06:01 AM Jens Hatlak wrote:

Alex wrote:

With SM2.2 I found that I'm not able to move individual contacts
between different address books. Is there a fix for this issue?


Will be fixed in SM 2.3.

HTH

Jens

It also deletes contacts in the personal addressbook when you delete
them from a distribution list. (SM2.2.1)


Will this bug also corrected/fixed in SM 2.3 ?


First, did you file a bug on it?


No, because all bugs i have submitted are still not fixed someones for
yearS.

My last submission
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668504 have received a
recognition that it is a bug -see hereafter-
jay garcia 2011-06-30 08:57:25 PDT
I can confirm this as I can duplicate the bug 100%.

Some bugs take longer than others to fix, I agree, there are two things that get 
a bug fixed quickly, (1) it effects many users who complain constantly about it, 
or (2) it effects at least one developer who then has a personal stake in the fix.



Do you think that the status will change for years other than;
Assigned To: Nobody; OK to take it and work on it

I think that the answer is NO.

I'm sure that eventually someone will change status to NOTABUG and maybe try to 
explain why. I agree that it will not get fixed, but since the problem with the 
address book is actually an error, it would be worth sending a bug while it's in 
beta. Once it becomes a released version it's not a new bug and doesn't fall 
under the beta resources, so get the bug report in now!


S Second, do the developers agree that
  this is a bug?

If you delete an adress out of the adressbook, it's normal that it is
also delete out of any distribution list where it appears.
BUT, it's certainly a bug if deleting from a distribution list, it
dissapear completey...


It doesn't matter if the users think it's a bug, it only matters that developers 
agree it's unintended behavior. If they *want* it to work that way it's just 
another unfortunate design decision.


So report the bug against beta, while there actually are resources to fix it, 
unless it's in TBird code, in which case it will not be fixed.


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Re: Search Messages?

2011-08-01 Thread Larry


Bill Davidsen wrote:

Larry wrote:

SM 2.0.14, Win XP SP3
With almost 1000 threads in this newsgroup, I'd some times like to find
a particular thread, but whenever I try to search it fails, with the
message A News (NNTP) error occurred: chaining not allowed.

What does this mean? What am I doing wrong?


Haven't seen this in a bit, but first what it means. Chaining means
sending one command to a server, then sending another before the first
completes. With some server software this might allow multiple commands
to be running at once, but in general it just saves the time between
client and server interaction. Some servers don't like this, because it
could fill a network buffer, have multiple commands running at once, be
used for spamming, or just because.

What to do? I thought there was a setting for this in the server part
of the account setup, but I don't see it. None of the servers I use
needs to have this changed so I didn't look all that hard, I thought I
remembered a checkbox in the server settings, but that might have been a
1.1.x thing, or even 1.0.x, I've been using Seamonkey a long time.


Thanks for any advice anyone might have.


Since you have a reason to look harder than I do, and now you know what
to look for, see if you can find anything related to chaining commands.
Or find another server if possible, or live with the message. Your choice.


Larry



Thank you, Bill. Good insight into the problem, so now I understand it 
(within the range of my limited technical abilities!). Sadly, no such 
check box. I'll investigate the possibility of a different server.


Thanks again,
Larry
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Re: Spoofing Old Mail

2011-08-01 Thread JohnW-Mpls

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:58:01 -0700, David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid
wrote:

On 7/31/11 3:51 PM, JohnW-Mpls wrote:
 On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:29:01 -0400, Beauregard T. Shagnasty
 a.nony.mous@example.invalid wrote:
 
 JohnW-Mpls wrote:

 Phooey, SM's 2.2 is no better at being fully accepted at some sites
 - 2.2's new option to advertise FireFox compatibility does not
 help, at least for me.   One of my major sites is adding stuff SM
 just does not see and I cannot afford to miss those things. 

 One remaining problem in SM Mail is the inability to automatically
 delete old messages in more than just my first account - I'd like
 the same service in at least six more accounts.  Or am I missing
 some setting or option?

 Do you mean something like delete after 30 days? Right-click on the
 account name in the left pane, choose Properties, and change each of
 those six accounts to what you prefer. Also, you can do this for
 specific folders, such as Inbox, Junk (mine is 3 days), or any other.
 
 Were do you do this, in what program?  I'm using Windows XP and SeaMonkey
 Mail and a right-click on any account name does not bring up Properties - it
 brings up Select, which is where I already have the days limit which is
 being ignored.
 

The following is based on using Thunderbird, but I think most (all?) of
this is also applicable to SeaMonkey's Mail-News.

Thurderbird and SM's mail are quite different in my book.   Properties vs
Select is a good example.


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Re: Moving contacts between address books

2011-08-01 Thread Paul B. Gallagher


Bill Davidsen wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

upscope wrote:

On Saturday, July 30, 2011 08:06:01 AM Jens Hatlak wrote:

Alex wrote:

With SM2.2 I found that I'm not able to move individual contacts
between different address books. Is there a fix for this issue?


Will be fixed in SM 2.3.

HTH

Jens

It also deletes contacts in the personal addressbook when you delete
them from a distribution list. (SM2.2.1)


Will this bug also corrected/fixed in SM 2.3 ?


First, did you file a bug on it? Second, do the developers agree that
this is a bug?

A distribution list is a subset of addresses, and if you delete an
address from the address book I think it's correct to delete it from the
list. *But* not the other way around. Just because someone no longer
belongs on a list like a task force or committee, they shouldn't cease
to exist!


Agreed.

If SM is behaving as described, here's a first stab at a workaround
pending a bug fix:

1) Drag the recipient out of the list to a different /address book/.
This should delete him/her from the original AB as well as the list.
Verify deletion from first AB and list and presence in second AB.

2) Drag the recipient from the other AB back to the original AB (not to
the list). This should restore him/her to the original AB but not to the
list. Verify deletion from second AB and presence in first AB but
absence from list.


Unfortunately drag and drop in the address book doesn't work, either,
starting in 2.2 you are protected against accidentally moving an address
between address books.


$#!+... is there no move feature at all anymore??


I stopped trying nightly and beta releases when it was announced that it
will be fixed in a future release rather than a 2.2.1 fix. I might
like new features, but I can't justify doing QA on every feature which
is needed for daily use. From what I read here it sounds like address
book is more broken not less.


Sounds like it to me, too.

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Windows movie attachments

2011-08-01 Thread Test

wmv files do not play on  ver. 2.2.  Sometimes they open the windows 
media program and do not play.  Other times SeaMonkey just crashes.

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Re: Search Messages?

2011-08-01 Thread Arnie Goetchius


Larry wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Larry wrote:

SM 2.0.14, Win XP SP3
With almost 1000 threads in this newsgroup, I'd some times like to find
a particular thread, but whenever I try to search it fails, with the
message A News (NNTP) error occurred: chaining not allowed.

What does this mean? What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for any advice anyone might have.

Larry


Larry, as I understand it, this means that you are not allowed to
conduct a search on this server! (well, something like that!!)

However, all is not lost...

Down in the bottom right hand corner is what looks like a power
extension cord plugged into another extension cord (the On-Line
indicator). Click on this, i.e. go off-line, the do your search
(Tools-Search Messages), make your selections and see how you go.

Don't forget to come back on-line when finished searching.

HTH


Thank you, Daniel. That hadn't occurred to me. Seems to work!

Larry


News servers such as news.mozilla.org have the XPAT support disabled, so 
you won't be able to search on line in this news group. Instead of 
going off-line, you can also check the Search Local System box in the 
upper left hand corner of the search window. That let's you search 
whatever you have stored locally.

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Data Manager and Firefox Permissions Manager

2011-08-01 Thread MCBastos

I have just seen this:

http://blog.mozilla.com/verdi/73/how-do-i-manage-website-permissions/

From the looks of it, it seems to have some overlap in functionality
with the Data Manager in Seamonkey. I know KaiRo offered the Data
Manager to Firefox, and since it's in trunk, I guess the Permissions
Manager will eventually find its way to Seamonkey.

Is there any work being done to address the duplicated functionality?
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Re: Scroll wheel clicking a link opens a new SeaMonkey window

2011-08-01 Thread David E. Ross

On 8/1/11 6:20 AM, Daniel wrote:
 Valentim Terra wrote:
 Is it possible to change the bahavior, make it open the link in a new Tab?

 How can I do that?

 Thanks in advance.
 
 Valentim, I'm not certain how to answer you as your header information 
 says you are using Thunderbird 5.0. If this is the case, then you need 
 to look at Tools-Options, maybe!! Or, maybe, ask your question on 
 mozilla.support.thunderbird group on the server.
 
 If you are using SeaMonkey 2.2, have a look at 
 Edit-Preferences-Browser-Tabbed Browsing and at 
 Edit-Preferences-Browser-Link Behavior to see if they are set up 
 correctly.
 
 HTH
 

Note that clicking a link from Thunderbird to open in SeaMonkey falls
under the SeaMonkey category Links from other applications.  For Open
links passed from other applications at [Edit  Preferences  Browser 
Link Behavior], you need to select the A new tab in the current window
radio button.  In that case, you don't need to use the scroll wheel;
just select the link in Thunderbird.

HOWEVER, all other non-SeaMonkey applications will also open links in a
new tab instead of a new window.

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On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
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Re: Long Time SeaMonkey User, Updating SubFiles to SubFolders. Sorry

2011-08-01 Thread sean nathan bean


Daniel sent me the following::

Ant wrote:

On 7/31/2011 1:47 PM PT, sean nathan bean typed:


*Second Copy:* Kind of embarrassing, Just after I pushed send, I
realized I had been referring to the subfolders as subfiles. Sorry,
this
is the corrected document, so I don't feel like such a fool.


you can delete your own posts from newsgroups... right click and
cancel... saves long time netscape/seamonkey folks from sufferin
embarrassment...


I thought that didn't work on mozilla.org's usenet server?


You are right, Ant, cancel does not work on the Mozilla server, all it
does, effectively, is remove it from the view of the person that
cancels their own messagestill viewable by anyone else.



well... it always worked before... but notice that in seamonkey 2.2 the 
option to cancel is greyed out...


this long time user is a tad embarrassed...

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MobileRead doesn't work off toolbar display in 2.2

2011-08-01 Thread Dale DePriest

I have www.mobileread.com and wiki.mobileread.com in my toobar on 2.2 
and neither will work to open the web site in the current window. Both 
will work if I open them in a new tab and if I use the most visited 
dropdown list either will open in the current window as well. I can't 
figure out why.

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new 2.3

2011-08-01 Thread Pat Connors

Okay, I just got home after a week away and see there is another new 
version of SM.  I am still on 2.0.14 and didn't update to 2.2 because of 
all the complaints.  Now we have 2.3 and more complaints.  I really 
don't know what to do.  I like the version I am using.  I am using 
Windows 7 which seems to complicate all new program updates.


Just wondering how others using Win 7 have managed with the new update.

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Re: new 2.3


If 2.0.14 is working fine, as it is for us as well, why bother with
an upgrade?

If security is the problem then get rid of your MS version of windows
and get a Linux-based windows interface and operating system.


 Pat Connors wrote:

Okay, I just got home after a week away and see there is another new
version of SM. I am still on 2.0.14 and didn't update to 2.2 because of
all the complaints. Now we have 2.3 and more complaints. I really don't
know what to do. I like the version I am using. I am using Windows 7
which seems to complicate all new program updates.

Just wondering how others using Win 7 have managed with the new update.



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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-01 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov


Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:32:01 -0400, /d...@kd4e.com/:


If 2.0.14 is working fine, as it is for us as well, why bother with
an upgrade?

If security is the problem then get rid of your MS version of windows
and get a Linux-based windows interface and operating system.


How would installing Linux with SeaMonkey 2.0.14 help the security 
of my browsing?


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Re: new 2.3


It's hard to execute a virus on an OS the virus doesn't recognize.

 Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:32:01 -0400, /d...@kd4e.com/:


If 2.0.14 is working fine, as it is for us as well, why bother with
an upgrade?

If security is the problem then get rid of your MS version of windows
and get a Linux-based windows interface and operating system.


How would installing Linux with SeaMonkey 2.0.14 help the security of my
browsing?



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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-01 Thread Rufus


Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:32:01 -0400, /d...@kd4e.com/:


If 2.0.14 is working fine, as it is for us as well, why bother with
an upgrade?

If security is the problem then get rid of your MS version of windows
and get a Linux-based windows interface and operating system.


How would installing Linux with SeaMonkey 2.0.14 help the security of my
browsing?



...by not allowing *anything* else in the wild to be able to run on your 
machine...including the stuff you depend on.


I'm on a Mac, and I'm staying with 2.0.14 myself...I may not even 
consider another SM update until 3.x or something like that,just based 
on what I've been reading here.


When it comes to security common sense, vigilance, and 3rd party defense 
are far more important than what version of/or what browser you're 
using.  The more I learn about browsing and hacking from my security 
people at work the less confidence I have in so called security 
updates for browsers - *any* browser...I'd stick with 2.0.14 on any 
platform, if it's performing the task(s) you need performed.


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Re: new 2.3


 Rufus wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:32:01 -0400, /d...@kd4e.com/:


If 2.0.14 is working fine, as it is for us as well, why bother with
an upgrade?

If security is the problem then get rid of your MS version of windows
and get a Linux-based windows interface and operating system.


How would installing Linux with SeaMonkey 2.0.14 help the security of my
browsing?



...by not allowing *anything* else in the wild to be able to run on your
machine...including the stuff you depend on.

I'm on a Mac, and I'm staying with 2.0.14 myself...I may not even
consider another SM update until 3.x or something like that,just based
on what I've been reading here.

When it comes to security common sense, vigilance, and 3rd party defense
are far more important than what version of/or what browser you're
using. The more I learn about browsing and hacking from my security
people at work the less confidence I have in so called security
updates for browsers - *any* browser...I'd stick with 2.0.14 on any
platform, if it's performing the task(s) you need performed.


OpenDNS is helpful, too.


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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-01 Thread hawker

I'm usually not a complainer, but this 2.2 had way to many issues and 
lost features for my liking. That said it did fixe two major bugs in 
Mail that bothered me.


My advices would be, unless the security fixes worry you, or you have a 
bug that bothers you that you know was fixed I would sit tight on 2.0.14 
until we hear more about how 2.3 turned out.


On 8/1/2011 2:31 PM, Pat Connors wrote:

Okay, I just got home after a week away and see there is another new
version of SM. I am still on 2.0.14 and didn't update to 2.2 because of
all the complaints. Now we have 2.3 and more complaints. I really don't
know what to do. I like the version I am using. I am using Windows 7
which seems to complicate all new program updates.

Just wondering how others using Win 7 have managed with the new update.



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Re: Sidebar Search change in 2.2


Bill Spikowski wrote:

hawker wrote:


As a side note: I hate to complain here. I find most of the
complaining here to
be unwarranted. To read this forum when SM went from 1.x to 2.0 the
sky was
falling. Most of the show stoppers I hear were issues I never saw,
or felt
were not a big deal. So most of the gloom and doom I read here I felt
was just
over reacting on peoples part. Example the changes to the forum
manager were
really not that big a deal.

That seems to have changed for me in 2.2. I now see several odd
behaviors




It's amazing how differently users react to these changes.

I'm glad the loss of the form manager didn't affect you, whereas it was
a deal-killer for me. I skipped 2.0 and 2.1 for that single reason.

Did you try the form filler extension? That dropped the pain level to annoying, 
although a few people keep 1.1.x versions just for forms, since they have to 
fill in the same form with any of a dozen or so data sets.



Yet my recent switch from 1.1.19 to 2.2, while far from pain-free, has
been a wonderful improvement for me, in ways too numerous to mention.

Forms are still a problem, but I've had zero stability problems and
truly appreciate most of the enhancements that I've tried so far.


I take it your use of address book is modest.

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Re: SM 2.2 state WAS: Sidebar Search change in 2.2


Jens Hatlak wrote:

hawker wrote:

That said 2.2 has had the most regression bugs,
lost features and new bugs of any version I have seen since before 1.0.
I hope this new rapid release is not causing SM quality to suffer and
this is just a bad build that we will get past. What is the feeling of
the development team on this build or is this just the build where the
issues have finally gotten to areas that affect me?


Yes, SM 2.2 contained more issues than usual. We tried to fix some
issues 2.1 had but others popped up, especially in MailNews and the
address book (some things were not fixed entirely, and changes
Thunderbird developers made to shared MailNews code were not fixed on
our end fast enough).

2.2 was the first release after we switched to the rapid release
process, and in this case we had even fewer time than the usual 6-18
weeks that the process dictates because 2.1 had already been delayed.

Also there are some problems that appear due to the all-volunteer nature
of the project. There are only very few developers in the first place,
reviews (which are mandatory for any code change) take quite long. In
former times (before 2.2) we had many months time to fix things and
release when it's ready. Now we're pretty much date-driven. This
requires paying more attention to regressions by everyone involved.
There is a lesson to be learned there, and I think 2.3 will be better
overall [even though I personally would have voted to respin 2.3b1 so
that we don't release a beta with major issues that are already known to
be fixed for 2.3].

Personally I'm not a huge fan of the rapid, date-driven release process
either but we have little choice: Security fixes (which usually affect
Gecko or other code shared with Firefox) are only fixed on the latest
stable Mozilla platform version so we cannot skip one without exposing
our users to security risks. This is (very) unfortunate but nothing we
can influence, so there is no point in complaining about it. We have to
make the best out of it.

So does the API of Gecko change with every release? I would think you would be 
calling for services and fixes would be in the service. Does it really change so 
much that you can't link against the current code?


I like the Linux model, where stability fixes are provided against recent 
releases, so people don't have to constantly upgrade. I would think that was a 
problem for Mozilla and corporate users as well, and a reason to provide bug fix 
only support for 90 days or six months, or something reasonable. No corporation 
I have supported would update softweare every six weeks, other than to apply 
patches.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.2 - When Start my Grafikcard goes in 3D Modus - Higher Voltage

2011-08-01 Thread Gert Müller

On 26 Jul., 15:43, Gert Müller mongoo...@googlemail.com wrote:
 The Older x.14 not!
 Can i Change it that my Card not runs in 3D Modus?
 Thanks

No Idea?
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Re: new 2.3


Rufus wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:32:01 -0400, /d...@kd4e.com/:


If 2.0.14 is working fine, as it is for us as well, why bother with
an upgrade?

If security is the problem then get rid of your MS version of windows
and get a Linux-based windows interface and operating system.


How would installing Linux with SeaMonkey 2.0.14 help the security of my
browsing?



...by not allowing *anything* else in the wild to be able to run on your
machine...including the stuff you depend on.

I'm on a Mac, and I'm staying with 2.0.14 myself...I may not even
consider another SM update until 3.x or something like that,just based
on what I've been reading here.

When it comes to security common sense, vigilance, and 3rd party defense
are far more important than what version of/or what browser you're
using. The more I learn about browsing and hacking from my security
people at work the less confidence I have in so called security
updates for browsers - *any* browser...I'd stick with 2.0.14 on any
platform, if it's performing the task(s) you need performed.

Unless you can operate with java* off, security upgrades are a necessary evil 
for browsers. Your promptness in applying fixes is relative to your risk 
tolerance, and I guess your actual care in visiting sites, opening email, etc. 
Note actual as opposed to claimed or mandated by company policy.


Linux users can run their high-risk browsing in a virtual machine and pretty 
much eliminate the risk, as long as the VM is scrapped afterward.


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Re: new 2.3


Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:



d...@kd4e.com wrote:


If security is the problem then get rid of your MS version of windows
and get a Linux-based windows interface and operating system.


With all due respect, advising a Windows user to ditch Windows
and install Linux is about as helpful as advising a Seamonkey
user to ditch Seamonkey and start using Internet Explorer.


Saw this reported in other places as well.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/07/30/internet-explorer-users-are-dumber-study-shows/

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Re: Search Messages?


Arnie Goetchius wrote:


News servers such as news.mozilla.org have the XPAT support disabled, so
you won't be able to search on line in this news group. Instead of going
off-line, you can also check the Search Local System box in the upper
left hand corner of the search window. That let's you search whatever
you have stored locally.


Good one, I bet a lot of people don't realize that is there. I did but never 
would have thought to tell someone. :-(


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Re: Moving contacts between address books

2011-08-01 Thread Jens Hatlak


Bill Davidsen wrote:

On Saturday, July 30, 2011 08:06:01 AM Jens Hatlak wrote:

Alex wrote:

With SM2.2 I found that I'm not able to move individual contacts
between different address books. Is there a fix for this issue?


Will be fixed in SM 2.3.


(...)


Unfortunately drag and drop in the address book doesn't work, either,
starting in 2.2 you are protected against accidentally moving an address
between address books.


I suggest you actually read what I write or I can just as well stop 
explaining things before they are announced officially.


Greetings,

Jens

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Re: Composer - Lose my ASCII characters when saving


TheFunnySide wrote:

First up, this is probably an exceptionally stupid question and for
that I apologise.  I'm new to Seamonkey Composer  however and I just
can't understand why I'm having trouble adding saycopy; in HTML
source view and getting it to STAY when I hit 'Save'.  When I do save
the document, it reverts in the HTML Source to the copyright symbol.
Where's the sense in that? The whole point of manually editing the
HTML Source code is that *I* want to dictate what the code should be?

Am I missing a setting in preferences or something or will this always
be a problem with using Seamonkey to edit HTML? :-(

Are you sure what you're seeing? Being new to the tool, you may be getting 
confused by the view changing to NORMAL when you do a save. Also, the relevant 
modes are NORMAL, PREVIEW (why is that here?), SOURCE, and HTML TAGS. So I'm 
assuming you mean SOURCE when you say HTML mode.


If you could try this it would clarify:
- in SOURCE mode create a small document with the copy; in the document
- save it in a file
- open it with the browser
- select View-DocumentSource for the View menu
- tell us what you see.

I think you are changing view modes somehow, but I want to be sure the problem 
is what you think it is.


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Re: SM 2.2 state WAS: Sidebar Search change in 2.2

On 08/01/2011 12:47 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Jens Hatlak wrote:
hawker wrote:
That said 2.2 has had the most regression bugs,
lost features and new bugs of any version I have seen since before 1.0.
I hope this new rapid release is not causing SM quality to suffer and
this is just a bad build that we will get past. What is the feeling of
the development team on this build or is this just the build where the
issues have finally gotten to areas that affect me?

Yes, SM 2.2 contained more issues than usual. We tried to fix some
issues 2.1 had but others popped up, especially in MailNews and the
address book (some things were not fixed entirely, and changes
Thunderbird developers made to shared MailNews code were not fixed on
our end fast enough).

2.2 was the first release after we switched to the rapid release
process, and in this case we had even fewer time than the usual 6-18
weeks that the process dictates because 2.1 had already been delayed.

Also there are some problems that appear due to the all-volunteer nature
of the project. There are only very few developers in the first place,
reviews (which are mandatory for any code change) take quite long. In
former times (before 2.2) we had many months time to fix things and
release when it's ready. Now we're pretty much date-driven. This
requires paying more attention to regressions by everyone involved.
There is a lesson to be learned there, and I think 2.3 will be better
overall [even though I personally would have voted to respin 2.3b1 so
that we don't release a beta with major issues that are already known to
be fixed for 2.3].

Personally I'm not a huge fan of the rapid, date-driven release process
either but we have little choice: Security fixes (which usually affect
Gecko or other code shared with Firefox) are only fixed on the latest
stable Mozilla platform version so we cannot skip one without exposing
our users to security risks. This is (very) unfortunate but nothing we
can influence, so there is no point in complaining about it. We have to
make the best out of it.

So does the API of Gecko change with every release? I would think you would
be
calling for services and fixes would be in the service. Does it really change
so
much that you can't link against the current code?

I like the Linux model, where stability fixes are provided against recent
releases, so people don't have to constantly upgrade. I would think that was
a
problem for Mozilla and corporate users as well, and a reason to provide bug
fix
only support for 90 days or six months, or something reasonable. No
corporation
I have supported would update softweare every six weeks, other than to apply
patches.

Might be an interesting read:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20074590-264/rapid-release-firefox-meets-corporate-backlash/

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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-01 Thread Lee

On 8/1/11, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote:
 Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:


 d...@kd4e.com wrote:

 If security is the problem then get rid of your MS version of windows
 and get a Linux-based windows interface and operating system.

 With all due respect, advising a Windows user to ditch Windows
 and install Linux is about as helpful as advising a Seamonkey
 user to ditch Seamonkey and start using Internet Explorer.

 Saw this reported in other places as well.
 http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/07/30/internet-explorer-users-are-dumber-study-shows/

which is pretty funny, considering this thread being about upgrading:
  From the test results, it is a clear indication that individuals on
the lower side
   of the IQ scale tend to resist a change/upgrade of their browsers.

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Re: new 2.3

On 08/01/2011 12:02 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote:
 It's hard to execute a virus on an OS the virus doesn't recognize.

Hmmm...

http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1149-2/
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1157-1/

 
   Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
 Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:32:01 -0400, /d...@kd4e.com/:

 If 2.0.14 is working fine, as it is for us as well, why bother with
 an upgrade?

 If security is the problem then get rid of your MS version of windows
 and get a Linux-based windows interface and operating system.

 How would installing Linux with SeaMonkey 2.0.14 help the security of my
 browsing?

 

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 NoOp wrote:

On 08/01/2011 12:02 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote:

It's hard to execute a virus on an OS the virus doesn't recognize.


Hmmm...

http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1149-2/
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1157-1/


There is nothing gained by an OS debate.

As for the links - one may readily find 1,000:1
viruses that thrive on MS products vs Linux, or
Apple.

YMMV ... to each his own ...


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Re: IE users are dumber .

2011-08-01 Thread Tony Mechelynck


On 31/07/11 05:06, Rufus wrote:

question wrote:


Ie users are suppose to be Dumb

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/07/30/internet-explorer-users-are-dumber-study-shows/





...Opera?..really?..



I notice they didn't even include SeaMonkey in their test data (except 
maybe as part of the Firefox sample, which in this case I have a sort of 
gut feeling is doing us a disservice — but I have no proof). Who knows? 
Maybe _we_ would have scored higher than Opera if only we'd been tested 
separately. :-P



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Re: new 2.3

On 08/01/2011 01:33 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote:
   NoOp wrote:
 On 08/01/2011 12:02 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote:
 It's hard to execute a virus on an OS the virus doesn't recognize.

 Hmmm...

 http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1149-2/
 http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1157-1/
 
 There is nothing gained by an OS debate.
 
 As for the links - one may readily find 1,000:1
 viruses that thrive on MS products vs Linux, or
 Apple.
 
 YMMV ... to each his own ...
 
 

I wasn't entering into an OS debate. I use linux and test on Windows.

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110724
Firefox/6.0 SeaMonkey/2.3

My point was/is that browsers can (and are) exploited on linux as well.
That is why it's important to keep updated as security fixes become
available... regardless of the OS.



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Re: Search Messages?

2011-08-01 Thread Larry


Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Larry wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Larry wrote:

SM 2.0.14, Win XP SP3
With almost 1000 threads in this newsgroup, I'd some times like to find
a particular thread, but whenever I try to search it fails, with the
message A News (NNTP) error occurred: chaining not allowed.

What does this mean? What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for any advice anyone might have.

Larry


Larry, as I understand it, this means that you are not allowed to
conduct a search on this server! (well, something like that!!)

However, all is not lost...

Down in the bottom right hand corner is what looks like a power
extension cord plugged into another extension cord (the On-Line
indicator). Click on this, i.e. go off-line, the do your search
(Tools-Search Messages), make your selections and see how you go.

Don't forget to come back on-line when finished searching.

HTH


Thank you, Daniel. That hadn't occurred to me. Seems to work!

Larry


News servers such as news.mozilla.org have the XPAT support disabled, so
you won't be able to search on line in this news group. Instead of going
off-line, you can also check the Search Local System box in the upper
left hand corner of the search window. That let's you search whatever
you have stored locally.
Well, I've seen that check box but wasn't sure what it really did for 
me. (Should have explored it more, I realize.)Now I know, so, thank you!


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Re: Password Management Tips

2011-08-01 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov


Tue, 02 Aug 2011 00:03:37 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:


The initializeSignonAutofillFormsStatus() function seems to
temporarily store the value of the signon.prefillForms (for
Firefox  3) or signon.autofillForms preference, and then set it
back in finalizeSignonAutofillFormsStatus(), if it was true. I don't
know why's this necessary as I haven't been able to find a place the
preference gets modified by this extension - may be it is related to
the integration with the Autofill Forms extension.


It is actually:

http://securelogin.mozdev.org/drupal/content/security#Improvedsecurity

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Re: new 2.3


NoOp wrote:
My point was/is that browsers can (and are) exploited on linux as
well. That is why it's important to keep updated as security fixes
become available... regardless of the OS.


I have no problem with security fixes.

Given all of the complications reported here it is discouraging
to think about an upgrade when it risks functionality.

Generally I feel pretty comfortable with OpenDNS and Linux, as
well as reasonable caution while online.

Meanwhile, I will join others in avoiding complication, and
wait for a more-stable release.


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Re: Spoofing Old Mail

2011-08-01 Thread JohnW-Mpls

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:44:24 -0700, sean nathan bean
sean.b...@wizard.invalid.net wrote:

JohnW-Mpls sent me the following::

 Phooey, SM's 2.2 is no better at being fully accepted at some sites - 2.2's
 new option to advertise FireFox compatibility does not help, at least for
 me.   One of my major sites is adding stuff SM just does not see and I
 cannot afford to miss those things.

 So, I'm switching my browser work to FireFox - hate to leave good old SM -
 and I now need to re-establish all my passwords.  I'm also a little
 concerned about all the talk about fancy FF add-ins - I doubt I want any but
 I dislike being bothered by someone interrupting me to tout some new
 capability.

 I'll keep using SM for the mail and address book - the best arrangement I've
 seen (supposedly equaled only by the old Eudora).  One remaining problem in
 SM Mail is the inability to automatically delete old messages in more than
 just my first account - I'd like the same service in at least six more
 accounts.  Or am I missing some setting or option?


some links to sites that still block you would be helpful indeed...

sean

My current problem is not SM being blocked from a password protected bank
site, but that some graphics inside an open site cannot be seen using SM.

One URL is http://pastortania.posterous.com/ - the photos with the blog
are not seen with SM 2.2.   I got to that URL via my church's site
http://westwoodlutheran.org/content.cfm?id=151. Also, my church's site is
the one that does not accept SM 2.2 for my uploads of files - need to use
FF,IE,...

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Re: Spoofing Old Mail

On 08/01/2011 02:23 PM, JohnW-Mpls wrote:
 On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:44:24 -0700, sean nathan bean
 sean.b...@wizard.invalid.net wrote:
 
JohnW-Mpls sent me the following::

 Phooey, SM's 2.2 is no better at being fully accepted at some sites - 2.2's
 new option to advertise FireFox compatibility does not help, at least for
 me.   One of my major sites is adding stuff SM just does not see and I
 cannot afford to miss those things.

 So, I'm switching my browser work to FireFox - hate to leave good old SM -
 and I now need to re-establish all my passwords.  I'm also a little
 concerned about all the talk about fancy FF add-ins - I doubt I want any but
 I dislike being bothered by someone interrupting me to tout some new
 capability.

 I'll keep using SM for the mail and address book - the best arrangement I've
 seen (supposedly equaled only by the old Eudora).  One remaining problem in
 SM Mail is the inability to automatically delete old messages in more than
 just my first account - I'd like the same service in at least six more
 accounts.  Or am I missing some setting or option?


some links to sites that still block you would be helpful indeed...

sean
 
 My current problem is not SM being blocked from a password protected bank
 site, but that some graphics inside an open site cannot be seen using SM.
 
 One URL is http://pastortania.posterous.com/ - the photos with the blog
 are not seen with SM 2.2.  ...

Works for me with both SM 2.2 and 2.3. I tested in both linux and Windows.



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Re: Composer - Lose my ASCII characters when saving

2011-08-01 Thread TheFunnySide

Hi Michael,

Thanks so much for the quick response.  I did try the numeric code and
the Insert character approach but am encountering the same problem :-
(

The only way around it seems to be to use a text editor as you say,
which is a real shame as my aim was to enable a colleague with no
coding knowledge to handle the editing of an HTML email, using
Composer's WYSIWYG editor.

Ho hum, I guess I'll have to look for an alternative.

Thanks again for your reply though, really appreciate it.

Zoe
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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-01 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)


On 8/1/2011 2:31 PM, Pat Connors wrote:

Okay, I just got home after a week away and see there is another new
version of SM. I am still on 2.0.14 and didn't update to 2.2 because of
all the complaints. Now we have 2.3 and more complaints. I really don't
know what to do. I like the version I am using. I am using Windows 7
which seems to complicate all new program updates.

Just wondering how others using Win 7 have managed with the new update.



My largest point is that 2.2 has MUCH better windows 7 support than any 
earlier version. SeaMonkey 2.0 had no win7 support at all.


Also these security issues can cause many other problems, malware, 
viruses, data integrity, among other things. Security is not a joke.


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Re: Moving contacts between address books

2011-08-01 Thread Paul B. Gallagher


Jens Hatlak wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

On Saturday, July 30, 2011 08:06:01 AM Jens Hatlak wrote:

Alex wrote:

With SM2.2 I found that I'm not able to move individual contacts
between different address books. Is there a fix for this issue?


Will be fixed in SM 2.3.


(...)


Unfortunately drag and drop in the address book doesn't work, either,
starting in 2.2 you are protected against accidentally moving an address
between address books.


I suggest you actually read what I write or I can just as well stop
explaining things before they are announced officially.


If you want to be snippy, you can aim it at me. It was my mistake. Bill 
was just correcting me.


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Re: Spoofing Old Mail

2011-08-01 Thread Paul Bergsagel


NoOp wrote:

On 08/01/2011 02:23 PM, JohnW-Mpls wrote:

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:44:24 -0700, sean nathan bean
sean.b...@wizard.invalid.net  wrote:


JohnW-Mpls sent me the following::


Phooey, SM's 2.2 is no better at being fully accepted at some sites - 2.2's
new option to advertise FireFox compatibility does not help, at least for
me.   One of my major sites is adding stuff SM just does not see and I
cannot afford to miss those things.

So, I'm switching my browser work to FireFox - hate to leave good old SM -
and I now need to re-establish all my passwords.  I'm also a little
concerned about all the talk about fancy FF add-ins - I doubt I want any but
I dislike being bothered by someone interrupting me to tout some new
capability.

I'll keep using SM for the mail and address book - the best arrangement I've
seen (supposedly equaled only by the old Eudora).  One remaining problem in
SM Mail is the inability to automatically delete old messages in more than
just my first account - I'd like the same service in at least six more
accounts.  Or am I missing some setting or option?



some links to sites that still block you would be helpful indeed...

sean


My current problem is not SM being blocked from a password protected bank
site, but that some graphics inside an open site cannot be seen using SM.

One URL ishttp://pastortania.posterous.com/  - the photos with the blog
are not seen with SM 2.2.  ...


Works for me with both SM 2.2 and 2.3. I tested in both linux and Windows.




Works for me with SeaMonkey 2.2 and Mac OS X 10.6.8.

Did the setting for this web page accidentally get set to block images 
from this site. Go to the menu under ToolsImage Manager and verify your 
settings. I had my settings changed by accident once when using a 1.x 
version of SeaMonkey. A user can accidentally click on a setting in the 
menu and not realize it. It can be very frustrating for the user to try 
to figure out what is causing the problem, and it is not always obvious 
that the issue is that a menu item in Cookie Manager or Image Manager is 
causing the problem. I for one would welcome a pop-up box to confirm a 
change in settings in the  menu Cookie Manager and Image Manager.

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Re: new 2.3

On 08/01/2011 02:12 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote:
NoOp wrote:
 My point was/is that browsers can (and are) exploited on linux as
 well. That is why it's important to keep updated as security fixes
 become available... regardless of the OS.
 
 I have no problem with security fixes.

These Firefox security fixes apply to SeaMonkey:

SM 2.1 (corresponds to FF 3.6 fixes) - see:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1/

http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox36.html

SM 2.2 (corresponds to FF 5.x fixes) - see
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.2/

http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox.html

SM 2.3 corresponds to FF 6  so far no security issues have been
reported so far (at least not publicly that I'm aware of).

 
 Given all of the complications reported here it is discouraging
 to think about an upgrade when it risks functionality.
 
 Generally I feel pretty comfortable with OpenDNS and Linux, as
 well as reasonable caution while online.
 
 Meanwhile, I will join others in avoiding complication, and
 wait for a more-stable release.
 
 

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Re: new 2.3

2011-08-01 Thread Rufus


Bill Davidsen wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:32:01 -0400, /d...@kd4e.com/:


If 2.0.14 is working fine, as it is for us as well, why bother with
an upgrade?

If security is the problem then get rid of your MS version of windows
and get a Linux-based windows interface and operating system.


How would installing Linux with SeaMonkey 2.0.14 help the security of my
browsing?



...by not allowing *anything* else in the wild to be able to run on your
machine...including the stuff you depend on.

I'm on a Mac, and I'm staying with 2.0.14 myself...I may not even
consider another SM update until 3.x or something like that,just based
on what I've been reading here.

When it comes to security common sense, vigilance, and 3rd party defense
are far more important than what version of/or what browser you're
using. The more I learn about browsing and hacking from my security
people at work the less confidence I have in so called security
updates for browsers - *any* browser...I'd stick with 2.0.14 on any
platform, if it's performing the task(s) you need performed.


Unless you can operate with java* off, security upgrades are a necessary
evil for browsers. Your promptness in applying fixes is relative to your
risk tolerance, and I guess your actual care in visiting sites, opening
email, etc. Note actual as opposed to claimed or mandated by
company policy.



Java, or javascript?..


Linux users can run their high-risk browsing in a virtual machine and
pretty much eliminate the risk, as long as the VM is scrapped afterward.



You'd think.  There are ways to target about any strategy you can think 
of if someone is really interested in targeting you.  My company got 
struck not long ago even *with* all of the draconian restrictions on our 
IT system.  It's just a matter of the hacker figuring out what you're 
doing, how you do it, and coming up with a counter strategy.  Happens 
all the time.


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Re: new 2.3